next. well. >> good morning and welcome to the camilla tominey show. it's been another busy week in westminster. it's four years on since brexit. are we beginning to see the benefits of our exit from europe? it looks like things are moving ahead in northern ireland, but only time will tell. labour has been busy trying to woo big business while the conservatives are back focusing illegal immigration focusing on illegal immigration again. i'll be grilling the education secretary, gillian coogan, about her new apprenticeship scheme, encouraging 18 year olds to go straight back into the classroom as teachers . i'll be speaking to as teachers. i'll be speaking to the shadow minister for creative industries and digital, nigel farage's nemesis sir chris bryant. sir braverman, the

former home secretary will be joining me live in the studio . joining me live in the studio. i'll be asking for her reaction to the latest immigration figures and trying to get to the bottom of whether she is plotting against rishi sunak to take tory leadership. take over the tory leadership. i'll joined the i'll also be joined in the studio by former tory donor lord farmer ask him why the party farmer to ask him why the party is abandoning family after is abandoning the family after a shocking survey published today has revealed 8 in 10 families think that the government is family unfriendly and the people's panel is back by popular demand. four years on from brexit, has it been a success in election year? we want to hear from you, our loyal gb viewers and allow you to have your say on our show. well, let's get straight into the sunday morning papers with anna mikhailova, the deputy political editor and columnist on the mail on sunday. anna. lovely to see you this morning . lovely to see you this morning. well, it's interesting , isn't well, it's interesting, isn't

it, because we've obviously seen these force, uh, deployed these air force, uh, deployed again middle east, while again in the middle east, while at same time, uh, a lot of at the same time, uh, a lot of the papers this morning are featuring about how featuring this report about how undefended or defenceless we actually are. talk us through it. so so the defence committee of mps has published a landmark report , uh, pretty shockingly, report, uh, pretty shockingly, saying that the armed forces are simply not ready for a war. >> uh, obviously there's been speculation that there might be a war with russia on the horizon. there's a lot going on in the middle east. i mean, last night was almost looking like night it was almost looking like we might get pulled the we might get pulled into the american action iran . american action against iran. that happen. instead, that did not happen. instead, there more bombings against that did not happen. instead, ther

is gone into plug. random plug shortfalls . so it's not actually shortfalls. so it's not actually investing in the new capability that people say we actually need. and when we question grant shapps about this, i know you have and i have, you know, it's kind of like nothing to see here. >> everything's but there >> everything's okay. but there are concerns. um, are legitimate concerns. um, among former and other among former army and other generals, they , that we generals, aren't they, that we aren't quite ready and then there's concerns i mean, there's also concerns i mean, perhaps it would be seen as too much an escalation, but we're much of an escalation, but we're sending these aircraft out from about 3000 miles away when we have got two aircraft carriers that could be sent to the red sea. why do you think shapps doesn't want to do that? >> well, maybe it would be seen as a possible stepping up. i think there is a real concern that what is going on in the middle east right now really has the risk of tipping into the risk of tipping over into wider and no one wants wider war. and no one wants that. um, so , so i think that is that. um, so, so i think that is probably why, um , with grant probably why, um, with grant shapps and rishi sunak , it's shapps and rishi sunak, it's important to point out that when they rather recently ran for the conservative leadership, both pledged increasing spending on,

uh, defence as a proportion of gdp . of course, while in gdp. of course, while in government , both are constrained government, both are constrained by the actual state of finances. but i think a conversation probably does need to be had in the context of the current geopolitical situation of actually probably funding funding more. exactly. >> i think ben wallace wanted 3. it's currently at 2.25, according to an interview i did with shapps a couple of weeks ago. let's moved on to, um, a kind of a tripartite of interventions. we've got, uh, james cleverly, the home secretary in the sun on sunday talking about the interfere really, of bishops with regard to not just the rwanda bill, but also this recent chemical attack . we've also got priti patel and suella braverman, who's coming into the studio in just a moment to speak to me about this and other matters, also saying that churches shouldn't be getting involved in asylum claims. do you with that? anna you agree with that? anna >> the point about >> well, the point about churches is obviously off the back of the horrific attack in clapham. uh where it turns out,

despite being twice rejected for asylum by the home office, the attacker was then granted. uh uh, was allowed to stay in the country by a tribunal based on some evidence, it appears , uh, some evidence, it appears, uh, where a priest vouched for him and said he had converted to christianity. so at the last minute, i mean, i can't quite understand this. >> one can understand. and that somebody asylum on somebody could claim asylum on the being christian the back of being a christian and fearing in their and fearing persecution in their own know that there own country. we know that there are of christian are a lot of cases of christian persecution in the middle east. however, the last however, this is at the last minute there are other minute and there are other examples papers of examples in the papers of this being used, as a ruse. being used, i think, as a ruse. well so suella braverman, uh, and her article in the telegraph says when was shocked says that when she was shocked when got to the home office when she got to the home office and says that this happens on an industrial scale, claims industrial scale, she claims that effectively that that churches effectively that in people in certain communities people know which churches to approach. >> um, and, and help find a friendly bishop. >> yes. >> yes. >> the churches do deny this. they say , is this more a problem they say, is this more a problem of , um, the they say, is this more a problem of, um, the church almost wanting to , uh, in a, in a in a

wanting to, uh, in a, in a in a time when no one really wants to go to church, being sort of desperate for anyone, anyone who comes converts, they're comes and converts, they're happy or not happy with. so whether or not they're it knowingly is, they're doing it knowingly is, is, uh, is, uh, is debateable, but alan mendoza, for example, has an op ed, uh, he runs the henry jackson society. he has an interesting article in this week's in today's papers saying that there's actually no data on church, on conversions to christianity in asylum claims. so at the very least, we should be gathering numbers to see be gathering the numbers to see whether not is a trend, whether or not this is a trend, because all we have is these anecdotal examples like this liverpool bomber. >> good to know the >> it'd be good to know the numbers, wouldn't it? >> it'd be good to know the nur exactly. ouldn't it? >> exactly. >> w— >> um, just very quickly on james cleverly. i mean, it's not holding on, um, justin holding back on, um, justin welby he? archbishop warned welby is he? archbishop warned on basically on evil smugglers basically making point. you're on the making the point. you're on the wrong here. yes. wrong side here. yes. >> and archbishop. well, justin welby been in the house of welby has been in the house of lords, criticising the lords, uh, criticising the rwanda bill. makes no secret rwanda bill. he makes no secret that against the rwanda rwanda bill. he makes no secret that one against the rwanda rwanda bill. he makes no secret that one ofainst the rwanda rwanda bill. he makes no secret that one of thet the rwanda rwanda bill. he makes no secret that one of the problems1da rwanda bill. he makes no secret that one of the problems the bill. one of the problems the church has, people will say, is that they they both that they both they they both don't want to be criticised

about getting involved in these asylum claims, but also they are so political over so incredibly political over things like rwanda that perhaps being political in this way and showing so obviously which side they're, you know, i mean, shouldn't the clergy be apolitical so that they're representing parishioners who might for and against? might be both for and against? >> a strange conundrum . um, >> it's a strange conundrum. um, let's move on to that other broad church. the conservatives , broad church. the conservatives, because there's an interesting poll which is featured in, um , poll which is featured in, um, almost all of the papers, but particularly the sun on sunday says pennies a winner in polls. so penny morden is now the most popular successor to rishi sunak . meanwhile, we read in the sunday times that nigel farage, of all people, my gb news fellow presenter, is going to be going to be attending the launch of this popular conservatism comeback that's being spearheaded by liz truss very quick thought on penny. i mean, we had kemi badenoch in here last week. she gave a good account of herself. i'm obviously going to be speaking to braverman and

to suella braverman shortly, and she's leadership she's another leadership contender mordaunt, contender. but penny mordaunt, is answer to the tories is she the answer to the tories woes, think? woes, do you think? >> well, the grasses do do really like her. and it's not surprising she's surprising that she's topped a poll because she has in the recent been a favourite recent past been a favourite with conservative members, with conservative party members, and she's taken quite and i think she's taken quite a tough stance on defence recently. points recently. she's made points about and the need to. about the navy and the need to. as a former defence secretary, albeit briefly, exactly . um, so albeit briefly, exactly. um, so i think she maybe has has won some popularity there . but some popularity there. but popcorn. yes. that will be one of the political moments of this week. nigel farage is week. um, nigel farage is apparently attending in his capacity as a gb news presenter in case he. >> okay, so journalistically he's attending although know he's attending, although we know he's attending, although we know he tory party he was at the tory party conference, he went to another event liz truss. event featuring liz truss. what's truss up to? anna do what's liz truss up to? anna do you think? >> i think she's, um, knowingly stirring the pot. would be would be technical tum for be the technical tum for it. i think liz truss obviously knows that she has future in that she has no future in a return leadership bid, but she makes no secret that she would probably be in a probably like to be in a position kingmaker in any position of kingmaker in any future. i going to say

future. i was going to say kingmaker than comeback kingmaker rather than comeback queen, probably queen, i think is probably the best idea. queen, i think is probably the best ideyou interviewed gillian >> um, you interviewed gillian keegan newspaper, the keegan in your newspaper, the mail her mail on sunday. i've got her coming up in just a moment. is she a leadership contender? do youis she is cited as one of the >> is she is cited as one of the leadership contenders, but still the ones in the lead are definitely kemi badenoch penny mordaunt. >> um, but as you know, with leadership contests, ones leadership contests, the ones who runners at the who are the front runners at the beginning end up beginning don't always end up being runners at the being the front runners at the end. indeed. end. yes indeed. >> so, um, and just very final >> so, um, and just a very final point, because running point, because we're running out of um, there's of time, um, there's an interesting story interesting sort of jewel story interesting sort of jewel story in the sunday times talking about how we're in this slightly perverse situation that keir starmer is being sort of more strong on israel than lord cameron, our foreign secretary cameron, our foreign secretary cameron calling for palestine to be recognised as a state. starmer is not willing to go that far , nor is this going to that far, nor is this going to cost labour muslim votes, do you think? well, it is already costing labour muslim votes and, um, rochdale , the by—election in um, rochdale, the by—election in rochdale will be an interesting one to watch because george galloway is standing there.

>> yes. so that will be um, so this month also other, uh, this month and also other, uh, prominent labour mps are being challenged by, uh, palestinian activists . um, the sunday times activists. um, the sunday times quotes a labour mp saying that cameron has, quote, outflanked us on palestine , on which they us on palestine, on which they think sukh is haemorrhaging both traditional labour voters and muslim voters very , very muslim voters very, very interesting indeed. >> thank you very much for that, anna. now, as i have said, the people's panel is back. katherine forster is in greys with our people's panel this morning. don't forget, this is a opportunity that you have to share views the share your views on the interviews that i'm going to do on the show in general, what you think of today's politics and all we do all the rest of it. so we do want you to keep applying because bringing it back because we're bringing it back with vengeance. catherine, with a vengeance. catherine, what's topic of what's the main topic of conversation this morning? >> yes good morning, >> yes. good morning, camilla, and welcome to the king's arms here in orsett. that's quite close to grey's in essex. i've got the manager , jade, with me. got the manager, jade, with me. jade, thanks so much for hosting us today. how's business? yeah business is great.

>> yeah, we've got lots of loyal customers. >> that's good to hear. so we've been having a lot of chat here this immigration as you this morning. immigration as you will be not surprised given the man on the run is very high on the agenda . um, gentlemen, thank the agenda. um, gentlemen, thank you very much for joining us the agenda. um, gentlemen, thank you very much forjoining us on you very much for joining us on the panel today . um, terry, i'm the panel today. um, terry, i'm going to start with you. you are a retired bank manager , and a retired bank manager, and you've got a couple of questions for the mps coming on today, haven't you, if i can, please, to gillian , why is it that to gillian, why is it that teachers seem to be more in working in line with the sort of care and mental health sector , care and mental health sector, rather than actually teaching the pupils? >> and to suella, why is it that the legal profession profession seems to help illegal immigrants more than those who should be, and wanting art, wanting to come to this country legally ? let's to this country legally? let's take the afghans who have helped our soldiers. they can't come in. an afghan can have help three times, come into this country, get asylum, and then go

on to commit a horrible act. and thatis on to commit a horrible act. and that is now on the run. the legal profession doesn't seem to have a degree of balance . have a degree of balance. >> s thank you for those . um, >> s thank you for those. um, steve, i'll come to you next. you are the prospective party elementary candidate for, um, basildon and billericay for the reform party . um, you're reform party. um, you're a largely retired property developer there. what are your questions for the mps today? >> very, very similar to the first question in light of the illegal immigrant, which is now a legal migrant in this country, which through the alkalised substance in a woman's face, which is most probably oven cleaner because it's very to easy get and it is alkali. and that would cause substantial damage. um, in light of that fact, what will the conservative party doing ? party be interested in doing? what will do in vetting what will they do in vetting these people? there's army of these people? there's an army of young 1200 this week, which young men, 1200 this week, which have come to our shores . how have come to our shores. how would beef up their vetting would they beef up their vetting system? know . system? um, i'd like to know. >> you've also got a question for the education secretary.

haven't you? something that happened years ago? happened to you 50 years ago? >> well , not happened to you 50 years ago? >> well, not me happened to you 50 years ago? >> well , not me directly, but my >> well, not me directly, but my class , um, the cracks, which is class, um, the cracks, which is reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete . um, this system shut concrete. um, this system shut down 231 schools, uh, which currently got this. one of the schools which came to light was all saints. that's in stepney. that's that was shut down completely. nobody was allowed to to school there . um, i'm to go to school there. um, i'm sure still shut down. that sure it's still shut down. that was previously sir cass was previously sir john cass foundation of redcoat. went to foundation of redcoat. i went to that school and would you believe years ago, on 8th believe 50 years ago, on the 8th of february, class was of february, 1974, my class was in a swimming pool. uh, the girls were in the swimming pool. two tiles fell off the roof. they were told to get out of the pool and the entire concrete ceiling, entire structure fell into the pool. that would have caused major caused a caused major atrocities. but, um , what i'd atrocities. but, um, what i'd like to know is why has it been shut down 50 years later? did they put all those children's lives jeopardy the last lives in jeopardy over the last 50 years? i'd like an answer to that. >> that's a very shocking, very

shocking story. heavens and finally you, paul , shocking story. heavens and finally you, paul, you are finally to you, paul, you are also a retired bank manager, also a retired bank manager, also an author and an ex school governor. um, you've got questions for the politicians as well, haven't you? >> i do, um, with with, uh, personal and national debt at record levels . why isn't% record levels. why isn't% finance being taught in schools as part of the national curriculum? and my second one is, um , how have success of is, um, how have success of conservative governments allowed our armed forces to get to the state where they're having to decommission royal navy ships through lack of staff ? through lack of staff? >> very pertinent questions. and yes, i mean, financial education in schools. you'd think a lot of people would think would be a very obvious thing to introduce, wouldn't you? um, so that's it from us that camilla will be really interested to hear what gillian keegan and suella braverman have to say on these

issues. but for now, back to you in the studio and to catherine for being there in greys in essex. >> now don't go anywhere because as build, i'll be speaking to the education secretary, gillian keegan, just after this weather bulletin on a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there, very good morning to you. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . it's quite a damp, met office. it's quite a damp, drab and dreary start to sunday for most of us, all thanks to this warm front that is slowly pushing its way north eastwards across the uk. so particularly now for northern ireland, northern england into northern england and into scotland. of scotland. there is outbreaks of rain spreading their way some rain spreading their way in some drizzle. also to contend with across wales southwest england, but for central but generally for central eastern it will be eastern areas. it will be a touch drier, reasonably cloudy but a few sunny breaks. perhaps developing the afternoon. developing into the afternoon. very blustery of us, very blustery for many of us, some strong around some quite strong gusts around

coasts over the hills, but coasts and over the hills, but those winds are coming in from a southwesterly direction, feeding in mild air the in some very mild air for the time of it remains rather time of year. it remains rather cloudy for much of northern ireland, england and wales over night, see persistent night, but we'll see persistent rain moving its way in for scotland, particularly western districts, turning very wet here as it moves into some colder air ahead of it. we could some ahead of it. we could see some hill the far north of hill snow in the far north of scotland. we'll have a chilly at night to come with a touch of frost, is going frost, but elsewhere it is going to very mild indeed for to stay very mild indeed for much of southern two thirds of the it is going to be the uk. again it is going to be a and cloudy day a fairly drizzly and cloudy day on monday. perhaps a few outbreaks of brightness poking their at times. but their way through at times. but it really scotland that's it really is scotland that's going brunt of the going to bear the brunt of the most rainfall. some most persistent rainfall. some areas perhaps seeing areas in the west perhaps seeing 120mm up by the end of the 120mm build up by the end of the day. we hold on to that mild theme in the south throughout theme in the south throughout the rest of this week, but we'll see something a bit chillier. arrive north by arrive in the north later on by looks like things are heating up i >> -- >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news .

weather on gb news. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. lovely to have your company this sunday morning. we're just waiting for gillian the education gillian keegan, the education secretary, ready for the secretary, to be ready for the interview. i'm going to bring anna back into the anna mikhailova back into the conversation. she's the deputy political columnist political editor and columnist for sunday. anna, for the mail on sunday. anna, let's speak to about gillian let's speak to you about gillian keegan little further , because keegan a little further, because you interviewed her in the week. i mean, what's she like? she has this of, you i'm this kind of, you know, i'm a working class girl. done good kind of shtick about her. she's talked fact that she talked about the fact that she didn't a degree. did an didn't do a degree. she did an apprenticeship which apprenticeship degree, which presumably inspired presumably has also inspired this , this announcement from the this, this announcement from the government. they're to government. they're going to bnng government. they're going to bring apprentices . bring in teaching apprentices. um, i suppose i would ask the question of that policy. does that that going to that mean that you're going to effectively have teenagers teaching teenagers? >> i think it's open from 18. so in theory, you could have um, but i think the aim from my understanding from her is that it's about opening up the number of people who can be teachers.

it's about training up, skilling up existing teaching assistants who currently realistically can't really go, um, leave their jobs , do a do the training. jobs, do a do the training. that's needed so it allows them to keep working while studying for a teaching job. >> i mean, gillian keegan is extremely to sunak, extremely close to rishi sunak, isn't she ? um, presumably she is isn't she? um, presumably she is one of the loyalists who is telling him to stick with the plan. i mean, is this plan working as far as you can see? anna that's the prime minister's whole kind of impetus. whenever he goes on the telly, he says, i'm sticking to my five point plan. and yet he still is tanking in the polls. on the other hand, i guess downing street have choice street doesn't have much choice but that plan. but to stick with that plan. >> think their big and >> i think their big hope and their attempt, we've seen at their attempt, as we've seen at their attempt, as we've seen at the of this year, is to the start of this year, is to really the conversation really reframe the conversation onto economy they onto the economy because they think they have think that's the way they have the chance of some green the highest chance of some green shoots um assume shoots appearing. um they assume that inflation will go down further, towards 2. further, possibly towards 2. again that bank of england again that the bank of england will cutting will finally start cutting rates. not that will rates. whether or not that will actually have any impact on

people's pockets, because as actually have any impact on pec all 's pockets, because as actually have any impact on pec all know, (ets, because as actually have any impact on pec all know, (ets, bstillse as actually have any impact on pec all know, (ets, bstill goingas we all know, we're still going to the shops, prices are still rising, even though the headline rate is falling. >> had this >> and also we had this extraordinary brief briefing this jeremy this week that actually, jeremy hunt cut tax hunt isn't going to cut tax much after all. >> it was classic, wasn't >> oh, it was classic, wasn't it? so first he started off the year really strong saying this is all going be a tax cutting is all going to be a tax cutting budget. surprise, budget. and then surprise, surprise. has to temper surprise. and he has to temper expectations. it's all about expectations. it's all about expectation so expectation management. so on the they want mps the one hand they want their mps and their voters to hope that there be some cuts and there will be some tax cuts and to them because that is to expect them because that is still the plan. at same still the plan. but at the same time, promise too time, if you promise people too much and you can't actually deliver you don't have deliver because you don't have the of money play the amount of money to play with, if everyone's suddenly expecting, £0.02 off expecting, you know, £0.02 off income they can't income tax and they can't deliver it, then that expectation have expectation manager will have been done. and i think been badly done. and i think gillian keegan is with now. been badly done. and i think gillminister,an is with now. been badly done. and i think gillminister,an is wto now. been badly done. and i think gillminister,an is wto n0\to >> minister, lovely to speak to you this morning. thank you very much for making the time. i've just been discussing with my newspaper plan just been discussing with my nevteacher plan just been discussing with my nevteacher apprentices. plan just been discussing with my nevteacher apprentices. i plan for teacher apprentices. i suppose the suppose that does beg the question whether we are going to have the prospect of teenagers teaching teenagers .

teaching teenagers. >> well, i mean, we already have work placements going in to do the work placements at various age. but no, that's not the intention . about 70% of all the intention. about 70% of all the occupation in this country . now occupation in this country. now you can access through an apprenticeship scheme. so we have completely revolutionised apprenticeships in country apprenticeships in this country and they're available to and they're also available to people all ages. if you people of all ages. so if you want to be a space engineer or an accountant a medical an accountant or a medical doctor , almost any job you can doctor, almost any job you can think of, you can now do it via an apprenticeship and what i wanted to do was also bring that to teaching, because you to teaching, because what you get is you broaden the amount of people access teaching. people who can access teaching. so who want so those young people who want to degree apprenticeship, to do a degree apprenticeship, like i did all those years ago, can degree can access a degree apprenticeship , teaching degree apprenticeship, teaching degree apprenticeship and skip the student earn and student debt so they'll earn and learn the same time, but also learn at the same time, but also for older people who may decide, you know what? this is a fantastic second career. i can give something back or there's a lot of we've got 59,000 more teaching assistants we teaching assistants than we had in some them would make in 2010. some of them would make fantastic teachers, just fantastic teachers, so we just want make routes into the

want to make the routes into the profession easier for them and more supportive. if you need to earn well. at the same time earn as well. at the same time as you're learning. >> although presumably these teaching have teaching apprentices will have to maths to 18 to have studied maths to 18 because sunak is expecting because rishi sunak is expecting children to study maths to 18. >> well, they will be studying maths writing in the future, but the teaching degree apprenticeship , which will start apprenticeship, which will start . in september 2025, with people taking it that has a lot of subject expertise . so we've subject expertise. so we've worked with all the institutes , worked with all the institutes, you know, with maths, with physics, with science and all of the societies. the expert groups, to make sure that we have enough of the subject matter in there because that's one the things need to one of the things you need to do. the subject matter, but do. have the subject matter, but also the pedagogy, have the also have the pedagogy, have the ability to know how and to ability to know how and what to learn stages. but they learn in what stages. but they might not be the they've all been on, but might might not be the they've all bee be on, but might might not be the they've all bee be the on, but might might not be the they've all bee be the mathematiciansmight might not be the they've all bee be the mathematicians thatt not be the mathematicians that rishi sunak is hoping for in the classroom . they'll be fantastic classroom. they'll be fantastic mathematicians , and probably far mathematicians, and probably far better than you or i. and they

will definitely be able to teach up to the right standard and beyond the standard as well . so beyond the standard as well. so yes, of course, you know, that's one of that's been one of the, um, the reasons we've had people working on this to make sure that it has the right sort of subject knowledge, and we'll do the others. computer the same for others. computer science, particularly the same for others. computer scienc�*there's particularly the same for others. computer scienc�*there's shortage ularly where there's shortage occupations because very occupations because it is very difficult to compete with computer science graduates when basically the whole of the world is trying to employ them. so we have seen that we have some shortages in some of the subjects because, you know, it is it is difficult to compete and you could you know, and you could never you know, even we've got the even though we've got the starting now, starting salaries now, i'm really say up to really proud to say up to £30,000. never going to £30,000. you're never going to compete of these compete with some of these massive tech companies. can i put quick question to you from put a quick question to you from our panellist who our people's panellist who asked, we teach asked, why don't we teach personal in schools as . personal finance in schools as. well, it is actually part of the i mean, what's available in the curriculum for the zahawi. but one of the things we've been

thinking about is, as we do go to maths to 18 and we've been working with people to understand what that looks like in terms of curriculum. i think there's a real opportunity to do more financial education. we more on financial education. we do some of basics and we do do some of the basics and we do do some of the basics and we do use examples from do use examples actually from the real world. in many of the maths teaching . but i think that maths teaching. but i think that is a really good question for maths to 18 as to what more we could financial education. could do on financial education. lots children say that they lots of children say that they would like have more . would like to have more. >> familiar with the >> you'll be familiar with the case of the michaela school in brent, which is currently facing a high court challenge from a pupil over the ability for muslim pupils to pray in the playground . and, um, the head playground. and, um, the head teacher there . katharine teacher there. katharine birbalsingh has tried to stop that. it's not right, is it, birbalsingh has tried to stop that. it's not right, is it , for that. it's not right, is it, for muslim children to expect to pray in the playground of a secular school ? well of course secular school? well of course i can't comment on the case because there is a but in general. >> but that school and catherine in in general has done an amazing job. the school is a

true success, and most people who go to that school really, i mean, it's very, very highly sought after school . so really, sought after school. so really, really appreciate getting a place in that school. and, and the school has as their policies and they've made their policies clear, in principle on clear, but in principle on praying the playground in praying in the playground in a secular school . well, i mean, secular school. well, i mean, this is, again, for schools that schools know their own sort of cohorts properly. so some schools may have well, they may have provision for that and some some may not. >> but this is a secular school. >> but this is a secular school. >> autonomy in our schools . well >> autonomy in our schools. well again the head teacher who again it's the head teacher who will set their policies . we have will set their policies. we have a lot of autonomy in our schools. and the head teacher has clearly set a policy has very clearly set a policy here. policy is being here. but that policy is being challenged the courts. challenged through the courts. >> we had some polling in >> and we had some polling in from yougov in the telegraph a couple of weeks it couple of weeks ago. it makes a bit of a splash. um, miss keegan, you'll have been familiar it. it actually familiar with it. it actually predicted that might lose predicted that you might lose your seat. is that your chichester seat. is that a real and how are you real prospect? and how are you preparing ? preparing for that? >> you can never, ever take the

electorate for granted. i always prepare, i go out every saturday. i took a leaf out of theresa may's book, um, and go out on a saturday, meet people. actually, it keeps you super grounded. you get to know what they national issues they think about national issues and local issues, and it's and also local issues, and it's actually a part of the job that i actually love. i also did a pub tour, which i do, i've done quite often, but i've reintroduced them. um because we had some security concerns about them. but i did one on friday night and again, it was just lovely to everybody, if lovely to say to everybody, if you to discuss politics, we you want to discuss politics, we want pie and a pint at want to have a pie and a pint at the same time, just come down, ask anything. ask me anything. >> you're confident you can win that seat and of insights that seat and lots of insights from people. >> i i'm confident >> oh, i mean, i'm confident i'll it my very best. it's i'll give it my very best. it's all do in life. and, you all i ever do in life. and, you know, sometimes it works out, sometimes it don't. but usually know, sometimes it works out, so does. 1es it don't. but usually it does. >> all right. thank you very it does. >> allgillian thank you very it does. >> allgillian keegan)u very it does. >> allgillian keegan for'ery it does. >> allgillian keegan forjoining much, gillian keegan forjoining us this morning. lovely to speak to you. lots, lots more to come in houn to you. lots, lots more to come in hour. of course, i'm in the next hour. of course, i'm going by the former going to be joined by the former home secretary suella home secretary, suella braverman. be braverman. she's going to be live the you won't

live in the studio. you won't want to miss that because i'm going to asking her about going to be asking her about asylum. rwanda bill, asylum. the rwanda bill, leadership what she really leadership and what she really thinks of sunak. so do not thinks of rishi sunak. so do not move a muscle. stay tuned. we'll be back braverman

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suella braverman in the studio and the shadow minister for creative industries and digital, sir chris bryant. but first, here's the news with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> hello there. very good morning to you. it is 10:00 i'm aaron armstrong, the uk and the united states have launched a fresh wave of attacks on houthi targets yemen. 36 sites targets in yemen. 36 sites across 13 locations were hit by coalition forces in response to continued attacks on ships in the red sea defence secretary grant shapps says the third round of joint strikes is not an escalation. instead it's designed to protect innocent lives and preserve freedom of navigation. the houthis and iran backed militant group has vowed to continue to retaliate. former chairman of defence select committee tobias ellwood says britain was right to take further action. >> our economy and our security are symbiotically interconnected as we see in the red sea. if we

don't protect those international shipping lanes, if we don't step forward with other nations, then our way of life is now challenged because of these errant nations taking advantage of our ever wobbly international rules based order. britain does step up. that's who we are. as a nation, and we need to start doing it again. >> a man's been arrested on suspicion of dangerous dog offences following the death of a woman in essex. police were called to a property in jaywick where they found a woman with serious injuries. she died at the scene. it's thought she was attacked by two dogs. both were later destroyed. the breed of the animals has yet to be determined . a 39 year old man determined. a 39 year old man remains in custody . the man, remains in custody. the man, suspected of a chemical attack, continues to evade police . continues to evade police. officers say they are following various lines of enquiry after receiving dozens of calls about abdul ezedi, including possible sightings. he was last caught on camera at london's kings cross station, heading south, a woman

remains in hospital after suffering what's thought to be life changing injuries. protesters climbing war memorials could face three months in prison and a fine of £1,000. pro—palestine protesters scaled the royal artillery memorial in london following a demonstration outside parliament in november . demonstration outside parliament in november. the home secretary, james cleverly, described it as aninqu james cleverly, described it as an insult and says it cannot continue. the measure will apply across england and wales and is set to be introduced in the house of commons. if you want more on all of our stories, you can do the following. scan the qr code on your screen right now or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to . camilla >> welcome back . still lots more >> welcome back. still lots more to come in. just a minute. i'm going to be joined by shadow minister for creative industries and digital, sir chris bryant. as immigration forecast this

week have predicted that we will add 6 million. you heard that correctly . 6 million to the uk correctly. 6 million to the uk population by 2036. has rishi sunak made a mistake by sacking the woman who was clamping down on immigration? when will the prime minister even make it to the next general election? i'll be asking his former home secretary suella braverman, for her thoughts . secretary suella braverman, for her thoughts. i'll secretary suella braverman, for her thoughts . i'll also be her thoughts. i'll also be joined by conservative peer and former of the former treasurer of the conservative party lord farmer. are tories abandoning the are the tories abandoning the family and we'll get the verdict live from our people's panel in greys. now, earlier on, i spoke with shadow minister for creative industries and digital, sir chris bryant, mp for rhondda. here's what he had to say . bryant joins me now. he's say. bryant joins me now. he's the labour mp for rhondda, who's shadow minister for creative industries and digital. lovely to see this morning, mr to see you this morning, mr bryant. thank you very for bryant. thank you very much for joining us. talk about joining us. let's talk about some labour's policies. then some of labour's policies. then we morning. we understand we are morning. we understand that are to have a that you are going to have a bomb manifesto , but it's bomb proof manifesto, but it's perhaps conspicuous by its absence. what's not in it ? the

absence. what's not in it? the green prosperity pledge is being watered down. there's now going to be no mention of this 28 billion. there's going to be no new national care service. you're not going to be scrapping the lords, having promised that for decades. only going the lords, having promised that forget:ades. only going the lords, having promised that forget rides. only going the lords, having promised that forget rid of only going the lords, having promised that forget rid of odd»nly going the lords, having promised that forget rid of odd hereditary to get rid of 90 odd hereditary peers is i mean, is this evidence that labour can't stick to its promises even when not in power ? power? >> camilla, i'm afraid you've been reading the newspapers and believing everything you read in them , that none of that is true. them, that none of that is true. we are certainly committed to our £28 billion green prosperity plan , because we want to make plan, because we want to make sure that we can protect our energy security in this country. we want to be able to capitalise on the jobs of the future for british people. we want to set up great british we want up great british energy. we want to of that happen. yes, to make all of that happen. yes, sure. it's an ambitious commitment, are commitment, but we are determined make it happen. determined to make it happen. i can't tell you what day of what week going to happen, but week it's going to happen, but for matter, you had for that matter, if you had jeremy here now, jeremy hunt on here now, he wouldn't be able to tell you what tax rates are going to

what the tax rates are going to be weeks time or at the be in six weeks time or at the end yean be in six weeks time or at the end year, let alone what end of the year, let alone what he's going to be spending in 2028, look, want to 2028, 2029. so look, we want to be credible government and be a credible government and that more inventing six that means no more inventing six impossible things before breakfast, gimmicks and breakfast, no more gimmicks and no serious, credible , no serious, credible, practicable policies. we haven't published our manifesto yet. we will publish it later on this year when the general election comes. but yes, of course, we're going to be reforming the house of lords. are we? there are lots of lords. are we? there are lots of different stages that there will have to be to that. of course we are. we don't believe that the way that the house of lords presently lords is presently constituted is on is is right. why on earth is michelle mone a member of the house lords? earth house of lords? how on earth have ended with more than have we ended up with more than 800 of the house of 800 members of the house of lords? why earth is it lords? why on earth is it possible when the committee says, not scrap it says, why not scrap it completely, a suitable completely, then a suitable person to the house of person to go to the house of lords, prime minister lords, that the prime minister completely overrides it? well, because of having because i'm in favour of having a second chamber, and think it a second chamber, and i think it should a proper reflection of should be a proper reflection of the whole of the united kingdom, the whole of the united kingdom, the regions, the nation's and the regions, different the country, different parts of the country, rather very focussed

rather than just very focussed on london and the south east. it shouldn't be of shouldn't just be a set of cronies prime cronies appointed by prime ministers. have ministers. you should have a proper process and i would prefer to see it elected. but that's a massive piece that's that is a massive piece of constitution change which will some to deliver . will take some time to deliver. >> okay, but isn't one of the problems for starmer is that he can't really scrap of can't really scrap the whole of the because how the lords, because then how would he do favours for his friends and supporters? how would then have prospect would we then have the prospect of a future lord brown or a future lord blair, or a future lord who might have been a trade union supported union baron who supported labour? problem, labour? that's the problem, isn't bryant ? isn't it? mr bryant? >> good, good. try camilla. i think you'll find that tony blair and gordon brown could have had a seat in the house of lords many years ago. if there's still time. one. look, the truth is you you, you. but honestly, that's not the plan. and wouldn't it be a good idea if we stopped prime minister stopped any prime minister having resignation honours having a resignation honours list just their list so that they can just their old mates in, who've done them favours years into the favours over the years into the house of lords, into the legislature for life. you legislature for life. i, you know, we are want change

know, we are we want to change the house of lords. of course it's going to be tough. you may not recall, but in 100 years ago, camilla, know you can't ago, camilla, i know you can't remember this, but 100 years ago, there was the ago, in 1924, when there was the first government, we only ago, in 1924, when there was the firstfour government, we only ago, in 1924, when there was the first four members ment, we only ago, in 1924, when there was the first four members ofent, we only ago, in 1924, when there was the first four members of the we only ago, in 1924, when there was the first four members of the housey ago, in 1924, when there was the first four members of the house of had four members of the house of lords were labour party lords who were labour party members. it was difficult to members. so it was difficult to deliver wanted to be deliver what we wanted to be able to do. we are trying to go deliver what we wanted to be ablcronies we are trying to go deliver what we wanted to be ablcronies , notire trying to go deliver what we wanted to be ablcronies , not onlyying to go deliver what we wanted to be ablcronies , not only in g to go deliver what we wanted to be ablcronies , not only in itto go for cronies, not only in it appues for cronies, not only in it applies to both sides , doesn't it? >> lord mandelson wasn't , um, >> lord mandelson wasn't, um, democratically elected . labour democratically elected. labour have ennobled as many of their own friends and cronies as the tories have, haven't they? i mean , do you want an elected mean, do you want an elected chamber or not? >> no, no. sorry sorry, camilla. the numbers . you're quite wrong the numbers. you're quite wrong about the numbers. i think there are now 287 concert active members of the house of lords. there are 100. and i think it's 194. i might be slightly wrong. 194. i might be slightly wrong. 194 cross benchers and 170 or so, because the tories have been in power more than labour, isn't it? i believe ? well, actually, it? i believe? well, actually, david cameron was the fastest appointer of members of the

house of lords that there has ever been in our history. but look, the point is, we do want, we want to bring about change. we want we know that our constitution is creaking at the edges and we need to bring about change. but it's got to be we've got to a credible government. got to be a credible government. and that first all, we and that means, first of all, we want grow the economy. we want to grow the economy. we know that one of the problems that had over the last 14 that we've had over the last 14 years that we've not years is that we've not capitalised the bits of the capitalised on the bits of the economy that we're at. so economy that we're good at. so for the creative for instance, the creative industries, have industries, which have grown faster other of faster than any other part of the we need to the of the economy, we need to grow economy as fast as we grow our economy as fast as we can. we need to build 1.5 million more homes. need to million more homes. we need to make that people have make sure that people have access energy, which why access to energy, which is why we set up the great we want to set up the great british energy which is british energy company, which is owned british people and owned by the british people and is providing clean energy for people our energy people and ensures our energy security in this country. okay and want to change the and yes, we want to change the social care system in this country. but look, it would be in responsible to be a government that simply invented six impossible things before breakfast, like the red queen in

alice in wonderland. i mean, you're going to do is be a government that is credible, not like truss kwasi kwarteng. >> no. fair enough. look, i know you to be a credible you want to be a credible government. would it be credible? for instance, mr bryant, critical bryant, knowing how critical you have the former us have been of the former us president the past, would president in the past, would it be competent credible be competent and indeed credible ? should trump come to ? should donald trump come to power? starmer is power? that keir starmer is perhaps future prime minister perhaps a future prime minister while donald trump is a future president ? he invites him to the president? he invites him to the uk and then you, presumably as you did 2017, will call for you did in 2017, will call for donald trump to be arrested . donald trump to be arrested. >> look, i'm not a big fan of donald trump, and i make no bones about that. i think there are i don't think that somebody who, um, denies the result of a general election is a good democrat. >> but starmer might have to work with this bloke . work with this bloke. >> um, indeed. work with this bloke. >> um, indeed . and i remember >> um, indeed. and i remember when i worked in the foreign office as a, as a foreign office for minister about ten minutes under gordon brown, that sometimes you have to deal with people who are not your

immediate, obvious allies. and that's part of what you that's just part of what you have to do as a country. and being a grown up government. so if donald trump gets elected, um, you know, up the um, you know, that's up to the american people. >> so you won't be calling >> just so you won't be calling for to be arrested on for him to be arrested on arrival the uk. i don't arrival into the uk. i don't know, can i ask you a question in your former guise as a camilla? >> tell me, camilla, what's your what's your view about donald trump? do you think somebody who has, um, sought to mount an insurrection against a democratically elected president, um , is right. i mean, president, um, is right. i mean, to lead america? >> i don't usually answer the questions here, but as you've asked, i think that the americans are facing a hobson's choice between a man who may be under custodial sentence under a custodial sentence by the time of the next presidential election , and a man presidential election, and a man who can't finish a sentence. mr bryant. so i think they're troubled either way. can move troubled either way. can we move on briefly to bishops on very briefly to bishops and church bishops? church of england bishops? because be a church because you used to be a church of priest. i wondered of england priest. i wondered what of the various what you made of the various interventions have been interventions that have been made bishops, not only over made by bishops, not only over the rwanda bill, but also, we

the rwanda bill, but also, as we learn recent case of learn in this recent case of bishops getting involved in saying asylum seekers are saying that asylum seekers are being are facing the threat of persecution because they have converted christianity , only converted to christianity, only for to prove to be not to for that to prove to be not to be true. and actually it's allowed quite dangerous people to remain this country. to remain in this country. should bishops butt mr should bishops butt out, mr bryant . if i . should bishops butt out, mr bryant. if i . can should bishops butt out, mr bryant . if i . can separate out bryant. if i. can separate out the two different issues. >> first of all, i think i welcome bishops taking part in the political debate. i welcome anybody whatever faith and anybody of whatever faith and religion taking part in, in, in the debate in britain. and i think that, um, you know, the church of england has a specific responsibility to do so personally, i would take bishops out the house of um, out of the house of lords. um, i don't quite understand why why we have something we still have something which only church of only refers to the church of england rather than all the other faiths in the united kingdom. and prefer kingdom. and i would prefer people to be elected to the second rather than second chamber rather than appointed. , and, appointed. um, but, um, and, and, you know, as you say, i used to be a priest in the

church of england and i think actually anglican clergy would say that once you're a anointed as a priest, you're a priest forever after the order of melchizedek. um, but i and i read the bible in a different way from many other conservatives. i i would say that , you know, jesus was that, you know, jesus was jesus's first sermon was he said that i have been anointed to preach good news to the poor, to set the people free. so i know that people read the bible in different ways, and i welcome that. when it comes to the issue of asylum, i, i do look at this horrific acid attack this week and i want to go, i'm sorry. i don't want to undermine the particular tribunal, but i have noidea particular tribunal, but i have no idea if all the facts that we've been told from the papers are true , how on earth that are true, how on earth that person was granted asylum? so yes . agreed. you've always got yes. agreed. you've always got to look at the rules to make sure that fundamentally, we, the british people, are safe . british people, are safe. >> okay, bryant, thank you >> okay, mr bryant, thank you very joining us very much indeed forjoining us this lovely to speak to this morning. lovely to speak to you . that was chris bryant

you. that was chris bryant earlier giving us a little bit of a sunday sermon, which was a little unexpected but good nonetheless. now don't move a muscle because in just a minute i'll be talking to the former home secretary, suella braverman. could she be the future leader? stay tuned

isabel monday to thursdays from six till 930. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news. >> i'm delighted to be joined

now by the former home secretary, suella braverman, mp for fareham, in the studio live and dangerous ? no, not and dangerous? no, not necessarily. it's interesting because i haven't actually spoken to you at length since your resignation . um, let's just your resignation. um, let's just go back to that moment if we can, because it's still probably fresh in people's memories. i mean, you were quite critical of rishi sunak and the government in letter . i in your resignation letter. i suppose impression suppose the general impression that given that that people were given was that you might been. you might have been. i appreciate you resign, but you might have been forced out because you were too right wing. >> actually, i think that is my assessment of it actually , or assessment of it actually, or too honest. >> you know, i approach the role as home secretary as a privilege. it's always a privilege. it's always a privilege to take these jobs. and i wanted to make a difference. i really wanted to do what was necessary to stop the boats , because i know the the boats, because i know the british people really care about that. i really wanted to limit legal migration. i really wanted to improve policing, and i saw it as an opportunity to be really honest, for the british people, even if that was going

to be difficult, even if that might make me unpopular. and i think jarred with the prime think that jarred with the prime minister and ultimately we had too many disagreements on policy , whether it was relating to migration, or other migration, policing or other other matters. and so, you know, a working relation can't working relationship can't really survive in those circumstances . survive in those circumstances. >> i mean, it was kind of preluded by a pretty difficult week for you. you were criticised for your comments about homelessness and sort of likening to a lifestyle likening it to a lifestyle choice . you were criticised for choice. you were criticised for saying that the police had played favourites when it came to the pro—palestinian marches. do you regret any of that? in hindsight? >> i would say is, >> well, what i would say is, i mean, i didn't say that homelessness is a lifestyle choice us. i actually choice for us. what i actually said that people who are said was that people who are homeless require a huge amount of compassion and support, and that's why i'm really proud that we have a massive package of holistic sukh resources to help people who fall on hard times and who need support to get back on track with their lives.

whether it's to deal with their mental health problems, to deal with addiction, problems, to deal housing employment deal with housing or employment matters. there's also an matters. but there's also an element that we can't shy away from, that there's from, which is that there's a cohort of people who are refusing offers of accommodation by the council. >> they are therefore choosing to be homeless, who are using tents for criminality such as prostitution or drug dealing, and who are causing anti—social behaviour and criminality in their communities. >> i've seen it in my community, in my constituency . the council in my constituency. the council has worked for years to try and get these people off the streets. offers of accommodation in repeatedly offers of help, refused time and time again and in those circumstance cases, a firm but fair approach is needed and i think that's another example of where honesty we can sometimes get you into trouble. >> i mean, with regard to the police, is it right for a home secretary to be that critical of the police and how they're carrying out operation as the

met? >> well, again, i don't think i actually did, you know, interfere in any operational decisions playing favourites. >> you still stand by that. do you they are playing you think they are playing favourites they're favourites and that they're favourites and that they're favourites guess favourites? i guess pro—palestinians israelis. >> well, what we've seen and let's at the facts , is now let's look at the facts, is now months of hateful marches taking place as a regular fixture on the streets of britain. we've seen people chanting jihad and the police turning a blind eye. we've seen many different reasons for, uh , explanations reasons for, uh, explanations for jihad. >> apparently that was a low point for me. >> when the met police came out and justified the chanting of jihad, they had some people who were extremists actually advising them in the heart of their team. we've seen london and other cities become no go areas for jewish people and other cities become no go areas forjewish people . now, on areas forjewish people. now, on areas forjewish people. now, on a regular basis. we've seen flagrant and brazen anti—semitism, which has now become normalised. >> so should these marches have been stopped? should they be stopped ? you've got this sort of stopped? you've got this sort of tug of war going on as far as i

can tell, between the met police saying, oh, well, we can't stop them and the government's saying, you can. you have saying, yeah, you can. you have got the power. have they got the power to stop them? >> yes. the is very clear >> yes. the law is very clear that this is a decision that has to be initiated by the met police and when i was home police and so when i was home secretary, i was in real secretary, i was in a real tussle with the police. >> so you saying to mark >> so are you saying to mark rowley, to stop these rowley, you've got to stop these marches? saying what? rowley, you've got to stop these ma i hes? saying what? rowley, you've got to stop these ma i made saying what? rowley, you've got to stop these ma i made it saying what? rowley, you've got to stop these ma i made it clear saying what? rowley, you've got to stop these ma i made it clear that1g what? rowley, you've got to stop these ma i made it clear that my/hat? rowley, you've got to stop these ma i made it clear that my view >> i made it clear that my view was that the march should not have on armistice have gone ahead on armistice day, of deep reverence, day, that day of deep reverence, national significance was almost sacrosanct. >> but in general, i mean , is >> but in general, i mean, is there to look, there an argument to say, look, you've made your point now you should marching at all? should be marching at all? i think actually, there there think actually, there is there is a case for giving ministers, the secretary, more powers the home secretary, more powers to march. to ban a march. >> what happened i was >> what happened was i was powerless law. didn't have powerless in law. i didn't have a ban that march on a power to ban that march on armistice day, it was down to the met police i believe they made the wrong decision . i said made the wrong decision. i said so, but we've heard this quite a lot. >> i mean, even under cressida dick's reign, this idea that the police and the home office are

somehow at loggerheads is that the reality of the situation at times? >> p- p— >> actually, no. i had a very good working relationship with the except on the police, and i'm except on this police. except this issue, police. except on that i felt i needed to that issue, i felt i needed to speak for the british people speak up for the british people and honest it. i backed and be honest about it. i backed the police with the the police with one of the largest pay settlements that they the police on they got. i backed the police on improving it improving their powers when it came disciplining rogue came to disciplining rogue police i increased police officers. i increased their powers when it came to protesters and militant disruptors on our streets. so i was pro police as a home secretary but i also felt that the quid pro quo for that was also to challenge them when they were getting it wrong . were getting it wrong. >> um, have you spoken to rishi sunak since you left office? >> um, that's a good question. i don't i don't think so, no. >> and in your resignation letter, you talked about someone needing to be honest. your plan is endured needing to be honest. your plan is election endured needing to be honest. your plan is election defeats endured needing to be honest. your plan is election defeats . endured needing to be honest. your plan is election defeats . your red record election defeats. your resets have failed, and we are running time. you need to running out of time. you need to change course urgently. what does that mean? change course. change your leader. i mean, what did you make? for instance? because was almost like your

because it was almost like your resignation letter was a forerunner simon clark's op forerunner for simon clark's op ed telegraph last week, ed in the telegraph last week, calling step down calling for sunak to step down and be replaced. does he need to step down be replaced ? step down and be replaced? >> the prime minister is not going anywhere . rishi sunak going anywhere. rishi sunak going anywhere. rishi sunak going leading us into the going to be leading us into the general election, but what i do believe strongly is that in every poll that we see day after day is confirming it is that we're heading to an almighty defeat. i'm very concerned about that. we are or we are at this stage going to lose a lot of brilliant tory mps. stage going to lose a lot of brilliant tory mps . and i'm very brilliant tory mps. and i'm very worried about that. i believe the prime minister does need to change course. i believe he needs to. >> what though exactly. >> what though exactly. >> example, on the >> so, for example, on the rwanda bill, believe that he rwanda bill, i believe that he needed introduce a law needed to introduce a law that would actually work , that would would actually work, that would actually do what was necessary . actually do what was necessary. it might difficult or it might be difficult or controversial, but necessary to block off the claims from people that prevent us from deporting them. uh, deal with the european court of strasbourg and human rights, which has stopped us

from sending flights to rwanda. unrwa fortunately, and we tried strenuously to improve the bill. the prime minister, why do you think that he refused your attempts ? um, you'd have to ask attempts? um, you'd have to ask him . what's your limitation of him. what's your limitation of events ? i think that, you know, events? i think that, you know, there's a there's a sense in government that we have to compromise and tweaking is sufficient out. >> why do they why do you think the government needs to compromise? are they kowtowing to the one nation caucus? does he that attempts to he think that your attempts to strengthen bill are too strengthen the bill are too right the right wing? what's what's the truth right wing? what's what's the truti mean, i think that , you >> i mean, i think that, you know, what we were proposing to the rwanda to exclude the rwanda bill was to exclude individual claims is pretty much, uh , you know, totally. and much, uh, you know, totally. and then also prevent the strasbourg court from actually blocking flights from taking off. um, that would have been somewhat controversial amongst the international community, amongst , uh, certain sectors , the legal , uh, certain sectors, the legal community, for example, and i think that there's a sense that

we don't want to upset certain groups. i mean, is there an argument and it's a little bit sort of shades of brexit, but that a bill is better than no bill? i would have said that a few years ago, but we're now on our third bill. we passed the nationality and borders act um, and that fell short and didn't work. we passed the illegal migration act. i introduced that to i had accept compromises, and i'm afraid that's fallen short . i'm afraid that's fallen short. we've now introduced a third bill, and i'm afraid it won't stop the boats. it won't fix this problem because it falls short. and i wasn't willing to bite my tongue on another occasion. and just wave this thing through. >> so when this bill comes back to the commons, how will you vote? >> well, i've already voted against it. >> so you know, i've lodged my opposition to it. >> i don't believe it will work. and i'm not willing to be complicit in a sham. i believe that the british people deserve better. >> so you'll vote against. >> so you'll vote against. >> i don't know how i'll vote in

subsequent matters. i think that's actually immaterial. i've. i've the very i've. i've taken the very difficult decision to vote against it at third reading. i think a very strong sign. think that's a very strong sign. uh concerns about the uh of my concerns about the bill. and i think, you know, it's going to go through ultimately and, you know, time will tell whether it's going to be a success or not. be a success or not. >> be a success or not. >> simon clarke went >> when sir simon clarke went over top, so speak , were over the top, so to speak, were you cheering him having you cheering him on or having grave about he did? >> listen, i didn't know that simon was going to say what he was going to say, and i have a huge amount of respect and admiration for simon. he's an incredibly brave and again, plain speaking and honest politician. he's also one of the nicest people you'll meet in parliament, quite supportive of him because he obviously him then, because he obviously got from other got a lot of flak from other tories in whatsapp groups saying, you know, this was absolute madness. >> there's you can't >> um, there's you can't replace a prime minister this close a prime minister now, this close to general election. to the next general election. i mean what think? can you mean, what do you think? can you replace this replace a prime minister this close general election? >> as i said, i think that's a pointless question. that's not going to happen. no, i'd like an

answer to it, though. rishi sunak going be prime sunak is going to be our prime minister into the next general election. but what i election. okay. but what i do admire about simon was his courage about courage to speak out about a lot of the anxieties that many tory mps are feeling privately. many of members feel many of our of our members feel many of our supporters feel, which a real supporters feel, which is a real anxiety about the state of the polls. we've got an open goal when it comes to fighting laboun when it comes to fighting labour. we're up against keir starmer, a man who who, uh, has absolutely no principles whatsoever for who changes his mind on policy matters more than he changes his socks. he has no charisma . who would undo brexit? charisma. who would undo brexit? who would open our borders to millions of migrants from the eu, and where 20 points behind him? >> well, that's down to because you've talked about rishi sunak distinctive style of government . distinctive style of government. but equally, perhaps you think that the conservatives need to take the gloves off and take the fight to labour more and be more aggressive. absolutely. >> really feel that we should, >> i really feel that we should, on migration, for example, have

chosen , hard, hard chosen the tough, hard, hard headed and necessary measures on the rwanda bill and actually forced labour to, uh, uh, to, to oppose our, our measures. i think on legal migration again , think on legal migration again, the prime minister has resisted my attempts for a year. i pleaded with him. we need a cap . pleaded with him. we need a cap. >> so are you saying that if the rwanda bill comes back, not least if it's been amended in the lords and all the rest of it, it hasn't been strengthened as you robert jenrick and as you and robert jenrick and other had advised. other colleagues had advised. you're that the boats you're saying that the boats won't will won't stop and that we will continue a situation continue to have a situation where foreign, foreign judges can sort overturn domestic can sort of overturn domestic legislation ? legislation? >> i'm that is my >> i'm afraid that is my diagnosis . after having served diagnosis. after having served as home secretary , attorney as home secretary, attorney general and also worked in the field of immigration law for a decade as a barrister. this this bill, it may get a token flight off here and there, but in order to actually deliver a deterrent effect, we need a large number of flights taking off regularly with a high number of

passengers. >> but then this isn't helpful, is it? to, as you say, a prime minister who's tanking in the polls? we saw from a ipsos ipsos mori survey in the week that only 20% of voters are satisfied with him, compared to the 31% that were satisfied with john major before 1997. and we know how that turned out. but then campaign director isaac levido has said, i think probably quite wisely , to tory mps, it's a case wisely, to tory mps, it's a case of unite or die. so you have to unite. don't you? and yet we hear you know, your caucus of mps on the right and others are constantly agitating. perhaps you could argue that you're the wreckers here. you're the ones making for rishi sunak. >> listen, i think genuine disagreements on policy , um, and disagreements on policy, um, and expressing those disagreements is what a politician's job is. that's not infighting or disunity . we i can't slavishly disunity. we i can't slavishly support something. i fundamentally disagree with. the british people deserve more than that. they deserve honest politicians and i tried as home

secretary and i'll continue being honest . but what's the being honest. but what's the price for british people telling them where things are going wrong? urging the government to take to change course? because i want this conservative government to win. i want to us beat keir starmer and i want us to deliver for the british people on migration, on policing, on extremism , on policing, on extremism, on pubuc policing, on extremism, on public safety. >> what's the price of honesty, though? because we've seen in the having to the week, mike freer having to stand the golders stand down as the mp for golders green, he he'd received green, he said he'd received death i know you have a death threats. i know you have a huge amount of abuse, abuse on social media. um, what's the current situation as far as you're concerned? have you got more abuse since you stepped down? like? do you down? what's life like? do you receive threats ? receive death threats? >> personally, i would say that on mike freer. i think it's a damning indictment on on our society that of the most society that one of the most upstanding and honourable members of our government and parliament has been hounded out of office because of islamism and extremism . and semitism and homophobia. >> but have you been on the

receiving end of similar threats? of course. and still now me more than ever? >> yes. on a daily basis. >> yes. on a daily basis. >> and how you cope with that? >> listen, i mean, i am it unrwa fortunately it is , um, the bread fortunately it is, um, the bread and butter of, uh, fortunately it is, um, the bread and butter of , uh, life fortunately it is, um, the bread and butter of, uh, life in fortunately it is, um, the bread and butter of , uh, life in the and butter of, uh, life in the pubuc and butter of, uh, life in the public eye. >> but do you have to have protection now? because i know you leave office and you don't necessarily have protection. have you had retain some? have you had to retain some? >> yes. did you expect >> i have, yes. did you expect to have that? no usually to have to do that? no usually home secretaries, uh , lose their home secretaries, uh, lose their personal protection when they leave office. but uh, i have been, uh, assess it. and i'm very grateful to the parliamentary authorities who have afforded me ongoing protection. >> let's just talk about this case, um, involve this chemical attack in clapham . um, i suppose attack in clapham. um, i suppose the first question on people's lips is, how do we have a situation where somebody is convicted of a crime, in this case, a sex crime, and is still allowed to seek asylum in this country ? would you like to see country? would you like to see i know the current rule is that if you're found guilty of something

and you're put in prison for a year or more, your asylum claim can be reversed. indeed you can be reversed. and indeed you can be reversed. and indeed you can but shouldn't can be deported. but shouldn't we just have a blanket rule that if found guilty of if you're found guilty of any crime above a fixed penalty notice, you're out. you're sent home. >> i agree , actually, and i >> i agree, actually, and i think that this case illustrates major failings , and we need to major failings, and we need to wait for the review to confirm exactly what's gone wrong . but i exactly what's gone wrong. but i think there are two elements here. there's that we here. there's the fact that we had convicted sex offender who had a convicted sex offender who was allowed stay in the was allowed to stay in the country. need to overhaul the country. we need to overhaul the rules relating to that. and secondly, i think the church has many answers , questions to many answers, questions to answer about role answer about the role that they've answer about the role that the ive answer about the role that thei mean, presumably this >> i mean, presumably this explosion in people the last explosion in people at the last minute, seemingly converting to christianity, happen while christianity, did happen while you were home secretary as well as in recent times . it's not as in recent times. it's not just this case, but we've read of another couple in the papers this morning. what's going on here? should people allowed here? should people be allowed to claim christian 80 as a reason for staying in the uk? >> well, i should say this person was granted asylum before

i home secretary. but what i was home secretary. but what we've seen and i became we've seen and what i became aware many churches aware of was many churches around the country facilitating bogus asylum claims , effectively bogus asylum claims, effectively rubber stamping people who turn up to church and say they want to convert to christianity. and that would be something that could bolster their asylum claim. >> so what should be done? i mean, there may well be some people who have legitimately converted to christianity, and they do legitimately fear persecution returned to persecution if they returned to their how can we their home country. how can we crack down on this? can we crack down on this? how can we police this? >> well, was home >> well, when i was home secretary, i set up a dedicated task at some of task force to look at some of the, the, the, the dubious the, uh, the, the, the dubious practices that are going on to enable bogus asylum claims, whether , uh, you know, a whether it's, uh, you know, a dodgy lawyers who facilitate fraudulent claims, uh, whether it's other so—called professionals , uh, enabling this professionals, uh, enabling this sordid business and with more reporting , sordid business and with more reporting, more sordid business and with more reporting , more investigations reporting, more investigations and tougher enforcement, uh, they can be rooted out. and we did see a few results. and that

work . i urge the government to work. i urge the government to continue in in earnest. but i do think as well, that this thing about the church and what we've seen over the last few days raises serious questions about the rigour with which the church is applying , the rigour with which the church is applying, uh, their, their, their process is it's also a gross insult to those genuine christians who are devout and take their faith seriously when they see people traipse through they see people traipse through the church getting their certificate of verification or their letter from the priest , their letter from the priest, only to disappear and get asylum. granted, i think it's a very, very sad state of affairs. >> i know you've also been critical of, um, people like archbishop of canterbury justin welby sort of intervening on the rwanda bill just in a one word answer should should the clergy be intervening when it comes to political matters like rwanda? >> listen, everyone can express themselves. but i do think that , themselves. but i do think that, uh, in some of these very important debates where issues

like national security, public safety , border control are , uh, safety, border control are, uh, are raised that, uh , should well are raised that, uh, should well be be commenting yes or no, a bit more deference to government and executive decision making is expected . expected. >> let's just end on your own leadership hopes. if you still have them, there's a more in common poll out today suggesting have them, there's a more in comipennyill out today suggesting have them, there's a more in comipennyill out tod is suggesting have them, there's a more in comipennyill out tod is the gesting that penny mordaunt is the favourite to replace rishi sunak. if or when the time comes, it says here, in a blow to suella braverman, a poll found that she is highly polarising. while 25% of 2019 tory voters said she would make a good leader, beating kemi badenoch by 1.53% said she would make a bad leader. do these sorts of polls affect your sort of future hopes of one day leading the tory party for goodness? >> uh, listen, i'm you know, i served as home secretary . i served as home secretary. i grateful for that opportunity . grateful for that opportunity. i'm. i'm here. really to champion conservative values . champion conservative values. >> but does that mean at the helm one day? >> well, i'm not going to make any comment on what might happen in the future, but you're not

ruling it out. >> tell i'm there's no >> i can tell i'm there's no leadership election. >> what we do face is a general election the moment. we're election at the moment. we're heading an almighty defeat. heading for an almighty defeat. my heading for an almighty defeat. my do whatever my objective is to do whatever it to avert that. and it takes to avert that. and i want to encourage the prime minister change course, minister to change course, whatever sir. yeah. whatever it takes, sir. yeah. i want to some policies, want us to adopt some policies, potentially a leadership challenge. not. challenge. no, absolutely not. no. mean, listen, there is no. i mean, listen, there is going to be no leadership challenge to rishi sunak before the general election . he's the general election. he's heading uh, unfortunate heading us, uh, unfortunate right now to a defeat. we need to do everything we can to avoid that. let's get some policies that. let's get some policies that actually deliver for the british people . lowering british people. lowering migration. stop buying the boats, getting some common sense policing and actually restoring britain to the rightful place that it deserves . that it deserves. >> it's a good place to end. i think. suella braverman, thank you indeed for joining think. suella braverman, thank you this indeed forjoining think. suella braverman, thank you this morning.eed forjoining think. suella braverman, thank you this morning. stillorjoining think. suella braverman, thank you this morning. still more1ing think. suella braverman, thank you this morning. still more tog me. this morning. still more to come. i'm going to be speaking to lord farmer, the former tory donon to lord farmer, the former tory donor, whether donor, and asking him whether the has become the tory party has become family

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for more details as well. we're going to be speaking to lord farmer, the former party treasurer . and indeed somebody treasurer. and indeed somebody who's been a champion of families in just a moment. but i think we are now going to be speaking to katherine forster who's going to give us the verdict from our people's panel in catherine, hopefully in greys. catherine, hopefully you me. uh, your you can hear me. uh, your people's will people's panellists there will have heard both interviews, particularly the one with braverman one that i'd braverman is the one that i'd like. reaction to. please like. their reaction to. please >> indeed. um, lots of >> yes, indeed. um, lots of interest and comments on what suella braverman had to say, but we're quickly to we're just quickly going to start paul, because thank start with paul, because thank you the question to you for asking the question to gillian about financial gillian keegan about financial education in schools. paul did she answer that question? >> i think she fudged it. uh, from personal experience, i know that it isn't happening in schools . it might be left up to schools. it might be left up to individual heads to do something, but it really does need to be part of the national career . career. >> um, and what did you make of what suella braverman had to say? >>i say? >> i was pleasantly surprised at how frank she was . uh, very

how frank she was. uh, very often politicians don't give straight responses , and i straight responses, and i thought she was quite impressed . thought she was quite impressed. impressive in that respect. thank you. >> steve suella braverman. she had a . long time to set out her had a. long time to set out her stall . yeah. did she impress you? >> no, she just danced around the question, which is nothing less than i expected , to be less than i expected, to be honest. why use one word when you can use 50? and you know that word was nothing. that's exactly what the conservatives will these people will do with these boat people coming continuously. coming in continuously. absolutely nothing. if you want to the boats , we need to stop the vote, boats, we need your votes. reform uk . your votes. reform uk. >> yes. that's not really supposed to be a party political broadcast. i'll speak to you later. um terry. um, suella. braverman. what did you make of what she had to say? >> um, i felt she couldn't. wasn't able to deal with the actual question itself because she has no actual power to change anything that needs changing . so many obstacles are

changing. so many obstacles are in the way brought about by the lawyers or politicians or interested parties , that she's interested parties, that she's never going to solve the problem . and certainly the conservatives i don't think, are going to get in because they're just too divided . too many just too divided. too many people have too many different interests . people have too many different interests. um, is there anything briefly given labour, are 20 points ahead in the polls that the conservatives could do to save themselves , uh, possibly save themselves, uh, possibly make themselves accountable to the electorate if the electorate don't agree? and at the moment they cannot be chastised by the pubuc they cannot be chastised by the public at all, they're free to do what they want. >> i'm going to ask paul as well. >> i think the party's is dead in the water and it's for the labour party to lose the election . it's not for the election. it's not for the conservatives to win it. there's nothing they can do. >> steve, final word completely beyond redemption . beyond redemption. >> the tory party completely there. >> we have a very clear verdict from our panel here in orsett,

in essex. back to you in the studio, camilla. >> great job catherine. thank you very much indeed. don't forget, go to the gb news website to sign up for the people's panel next week and for future weeks, because we want to give you say, not least an give you your say, not least an election joining now is election year. joining me now is former secretary and my former defence secretary and my fellow host michael fellow gb news host michael portillo. michael what's your take bravermans take on suella bravermans comments earlier show? comments earlier on the show? i'll intrigued to know . i'll be intrigued to know. >> morning camilla. well >> good morning camilla. well more than anything that she said , struck by her manner. , i was struck by her manner. she is a conviction politician . she is a conviction politician. she is a conviction politician. she is a conviction politician. she is someone who states clearly what she believes. she is very brave. on the subject of the need for bravery amongst politicians is very much in the air at the moment, as we are seeing people being harassed out of public life and suella braverman is a sticker, it's quite interesting to contrast her, i think, with rishi sunak orjeremy hunt. i mean, she just feels like a different sort of politician altogether. and following the election defeat, which i'm sure is what's going to happen , it will depend on

to happen, it will depend on what the composition the what is the composition of the parliamentary party parliamentary conservative party as they go for as to whether they go for a conviction. politician like suella braverman or not. they also have kemi badenoch and penny mordaunt to choose from, who i think are also women, and conviction politicians. so that is a very interesting choice. but of course , if the result of but of course, if the result of the defeat is that they go down to 160 members of parliament and many of those are in the middle of the party, there may be none of the party, there may be none of those women will be the choice after all. >> indeed. so, michael, very, very briefly, because we're running who have running out of time. who have you coming up on the show at 11? >> well, we'll be talking about mps safety. be talking mps safety. we'll be talking about we can imagine any about whether we can imagine any of leading us in of our politicians leading us in a we're getting a situation where we're getting close we'll be close to war, and we'll be talking about yorkshire puddings because, you know, camilla, because, as you know, camilla, it national yorkshire pudding day >> looking forward to >> brilliant. looking forward to it at 11. thank you very much michael. and conservative peer and former conservative party treasurer farmer, me and former conservative party trejuster farmer, me and former conservative party trejust a farmer, me and former conservative party trejust a moment.|er, me and former conservative party trejust a moment. um, me and former conservative party trejust a moment. um, but me and former conservative party trejust a moment. um, but first in just a moment. um, but first of all, let's go to the .

of all, let's go to the. weather. oh no, we're not going to the weather. sorry. no, we're not going to the weather. sorry. false information. let's bring lord farmer into the conversation immediately. now, the wait. lord the weather can wait. lord farmer clearly miserable farmer quite clearly miserable out there. um, now i'm really interested, actually. just to contextualise is contextualise what your point is on the tories and family just if you me asking about you don't mind me asking about your because you had your family because you had a bit grew up with an bit like me. i grew up with an alcoholic i that alcoholic mother. i know that both your parents were both of your parents were alcoholics, i would imagine alcoholics, and i would imagine that comes you that when it comes to you calling now for family friendly that when it comes to you callpolicies for family friendly that when it comes to you callpolicies , or family friendly that when it comes to you callpolicies , particularlyendly that when it comes to you callpolicies , particularly injly tax policies, particularly in the tory party that must have been born out of your experience having quite a difficult childhood ? childhood? >> uh, well, i would say definitely. um you know, my father died when i was four of apparently a fall when he was drunk, and, uh , uh, i think drunk, and, uh, uh, i think there may , you know, there may there may, you know, there may be other some story at the back

of that which i'm not aware of, but my sister and i, um , grew but my sister and i, um, grew up. we went from reasonably well off to bankruptcy to, uh, what happens to poverty, neglect and shame ? um, shame is a big thing shame? um, shame is a big thing at. and, um, my mother was an alcoholic. she struggled . she alcoholic. she struggled. she wasn't healthy, and she actually did rather well. it was when i was about 15 that instead of being frightened of her in a way and living in a back ground of chaos, i was actually at a state boarding school in a grammar school which had stability , school which had stability, whereas my sister didn't. school which had stability, whereas my sister didn't . um, whereas my sister didn't. um, but, um , it was when i was about but, um, it was when i was about 15 that it sort of had a little contretemps with her when watching tv, and she was drunk and she was calling me four letter words and things, but, um, i suddenly felt sorry for her. and at that point, it sort of the relationship changed and i realised that the problems

that were there that were facing us all and i think that sort of coloured my view ever since that she needed help and she needed some sensible care and strength behind her. >> i mean, you had this really difficult childhood, then you go on to be hugely successful in business. um you know, you're now very wealthy man and you've got lots of different interests in the interests of transparency . you're also a shareholder now of is very happy of gb news is very happy channel. yeah. um, you've got your fingers in quite a few pies and that's happened against a backdrop great adversity. so backdrop of great adversity. so when it to looking at the when it comes to looking at the tory party now , i know you've tory party now, i know you've previously been will previously been a donor. will you still continue to donate? because i know you're unhappy about particularly in about particularly tax policy in this . we're about particularly tax policy in this .we're sort of this country. we're sort of unique in the western world, aren't that we aren't we, in that we tax couples individually rather than looking at household income when it to tax ? it comes to tax? >> yeah. and in fact, on that point, i you look at point, i think if you look at europe, i think we're we're almost um the

almost the outlier. um the europeans either pay tax on total family . me um, taxation total family. me um, taxation uh, or transferable family allowances from, from one to the other. um so we are an outlier. we live in a culture where government's successful successive governments have actually sort of supported the individual rather than families. and uh, i've been sort of saying family, family , family for family, family, family for a long time, but for one reason or another, you see very few supportive policies coming out of labour or out of conservative. why do we think this is? >> because you've carried out this really interesting research. um, there's a poll that's found that 8 in 10 parents of dependent children often think that there'd be more inclined to vote conservative if the conservatives come with the conservatives come out with family friendly tax policies . so family friendly tax policies. so that to me to a no that seems to me to be a no brainer, least if you're 20 brainer, not least if you're 20 points but is there points behind. but why is there this of anti family , uh, this sort of anti family, uh, ethos ?

ethos? >> well, i mean, i'm not sure i know the full reason for that. i there is certainly an ethos of um , expressive liberalism . um, um, expressive liberalism. um, you can call it individual liberalism , whereby we live in a liberalism, whereby we live in a culture which says , you know, do culture which says, you know, do what you like , uh, do what you what you like, uh, do what you want to do. just don't hurt other people . well, the fact is, other people. well, the fact is, though, that when you have a culture like that of individuals , you do hurt other people, probably you hurt yourself in the long run. but you also hurt children, particularly who who aren't cared for when you have broken families . and we have one broken families. and we have one of the worst records for broken families in europe as well. >> i mean, i know you've got some stick in the past for talking about fatherlessness. i mean, apparently we're not allowed to talk about fatherlessness and whether it leads to problems in society, whether crime and whether it leads to crime and all rest of it. what's your all the rest of it. what's your view that? view on that? >> well, we should talk >> well, i we should talk about

fatherlessness. mean , i didn't fatherlessness. i mean, i didn't have a father and grew up with have a father and i grew up with quite a lot of problems for a boy, you know , you don't know boy, you know, you don't know how to change electric plugs or thing. you aren't guided. you aren't given a discipline and saying no , don't do and saying no, don't do that. and yes, do this. you so single yes, do do this. you so single mothers might argue, look, i'm actually better off without my feckless husband. >> very strong >> there's lots of very strong single who bring up single mothers who bring up perfectly civilians perfectly decent civilians in thisi think the single mother is >> i think the single mother is an icon, which we bow down to. which we shouldn't. i'm sure there's most single mothers. would like to have a loving man next to them to help them out with their children, but there's no doubt about that. and single mothers struggle, and that's one of the reasons why why we should have i mean, this poll i've done is directed at jeremy hunt at the treasury saying, do a budget which is friendly for families because actually , what my poll because actually, what my poll shows, it would affect how people vote quite big time.

>> have you spoken to the chancellor about it? no, i haven't haven't. >> we're going to present it to him. >> what do you expect the reaction might be? uh i well, i've spoken to him before about family policies and it's sort of been a quiet, gentle rejection. >> but i think you made a point some time about you called it retail policies as this is a retail policies as this is a retail policy . this, uh, having retail policy. this, uh, having a budget which is friendly for families is a policy which people will say, okay, actually, i might vote conservative for that because there's overwhelming support. and the funny thing is, in the 18 to 24 year old grouping, it's the highest level of support. and i thought to myself, why is that quite surprising? >> isn't it? but it's as if younger people want to have that stability and that fairness. if they're couple, presumably they're in a couple, presumably they're in a couple, presumably they their own they aspire to own their own home, start their own family, home, to start their own family, and they be advantaged and they want to be advantaged because what because of that situation. what i know you're a rishi sunak supporter . i i know you're a rishi sunak supporter. i mean, what do you make of the current state of things? his is terrible

things? his polling is terrible and his approval rating is worse, i think, than johnson's dunng worse, i think, than johnson's during partygate. he's never been seen as more competent. would you believe, than liz truss? but the party should stick with him. should they? >> farmer well, i think we have to. and i mean, i you know, i know rishi, uh, he works very hard. he's very detailed. i think he's done quite a lot of good things. um, he hasn't maybe got out there and taken it to laboun he got out there and taken it to labour. he he isn't fighting laboun labour. he he isn't fighting labour. it's difficult to fight labour. it's difficult to fight labour when they have no policies to fight. i mean they're very canny. i think, you know , they got the policy of an know, they got the policy of an aspiration where they're going to put vat on school fees, but i mean, apart from that, what else are they going to do? so um, i think it's difficult to fight, but i mean, if he takes . the our but i mean, if he takes. the our recommendations on families and other retail policies , um, we've other retail policies, um, we've still got months before the

election . things change around election. things change around very, very quickly . and very, very quickly. and actually, what starmer and the labour party, what are they offering . yeah. you know, so offering. yeah. you know, so take the fight to labour as your conclusion. >> lord balfe take the fight to labour with retail policies like a family budget. brilliant. lord farmer, thank you very much indeed for joining farmer, thank you very much indeed forjoining us this indeed for joining us this morning. former party treasurer jim news shareholder and supporter and supporter. thank you very much . well, i'll be you very much. well, i'll be back at 930 next sunday. michael portillo is up next. if you missed any of the show today, you can of course catch up with the highlights at 6 pm. here on gb have a great rest of gb news have a great rest of your sunday. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news as. >> hello there, very good morning to you. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. it's quite a damp, drab and dreary start to sunday for most of us all thanks to this warm front that is slowly

pushing its way north eastwards across the uk. so particularly now for northern ireland, northern england and into scotland. is outbreaks of scotland. there is outbreaks of rain in some rain spreading their way in some drizzle also to contend with across wales southwest england, but generally for central eastern it will be a touch eastern areas it will be a touch dnen eastern areas it will be a touch drier, reasonably cloudy but a few breaks. perhaps few sunny breaks. perhaps developing afternoon. developing into the afternoon. very for of us and very blustery for many of us and quite strong gusts around coasts and over the hills. but those winds are coming in from a southwest direction, feeding in some mild air for the time some very mild air for the time of year. it remains rather cloudy for much of northern ireland, and over ireland, england and wales over night, but we'll see persistent rain moving way in for rain moving its way in for scotland, particularly western districts, turning very wet here as it . moves into districts, turning very wet here as it. moves into some districts, turning very wet here as it . moves into some colder as it. moves into some colder air ahead of it. we could see some hill snow in the far north of scotland. we'll have a chilly at night to come with a touch of frost, but elsewhere it is going to stay very mild indeed for much of southern two of much of southern two thirds of the is going to be the uk. again it is going to be a fairly drizzly and cloudy day on monday. perhaps a few

outbreaks brightness poking outbreaks of brightness poking their times. their way through at times. but it really scotland that's it really is scotland that's going to bear the brunt of the most persistent rainfall. some areas perhaps areas in the west, perhaps seeing up by the end seeing 120mm build up by the end of the day. we hold on to that mild the south mild theme in the south throughout the of this throughout the rest of this week, we'll see something week, but we'll see something a bit chillier arrive the north bit chillier arrive in the north later by. later on by. >> looks things are heating >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on gb news .

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