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official records. what do you make of that one? and residents living in britain's most obese town say they have been invaded by chicken shops. but can you guess which town has been crowned the fattest in britain . crowned the fattest in britain. by crowned the fattest in britain. by this show? is nothing without you and your views, so let me know your thoughts on all the stories we've just discussed and anything you want to talk about. so it's a sunday. email me on gbviews@gbnews.com or message me on our socials. we're at gb news. but first, should we have a look at what their news headunes a look at what their news headlines are with the lovely aaron armstrong ? aaron armstrong? >> thank you. dawn a minute past one here in the gb newsroom. very good afternoon to you. police have offered a £20,000 reward for information that may lead to the arrest of a suspected chemical attacker. they've also released new footage of abdul azadi at a

tesco store in north london on wednesday evening . that was wednesday evening. that was after a woman and her two children were attacked. she remains in hospital with what are thought to be life changing injuries. police say forensic tests have shown a very strong, concentrated corrosive substance was used . either liquid sodium was used. either liquid sodium hydroxide or carbonate, for a met police officer, norman brennan believes times against his. eddie, who has also a significant wound on his face. >> he's in severe pain . um, i >> he's in severe pain. um, i would suggest sepsis or something like that is very likely to kick in because when you have acid, um, injuries, you need immediate emergency treatment . well, we are four treatment. well, we are four days on now. he's got quite horrific injury . days on now. he's got quite horrific injury. um, he's easily identifiable . but there are identifiable. but there are times where the police are looking for suspects. where they temporarily outwit us. that's why, um, the public have more eyes than the police. the police are doing all the background

work with shadow minister sir chris bryant says serious questions need to be asked after azadi, who is from afghanistan, was granted asylum after twice being rejected . being rejected. >> i do look at this horrific acid attack this week and i want to go. i'm sorry. i don't want to go. i'm sorry. i don't want to undermine the particular tribunal, but i have no idea if all the facts that we've been told from the papers are true. how on earth that person was granted asylum? so yes, of course, we've always got to look at the rules to make sure that fundamental ali, we, the british people safe. people are safe. >> the uk and us joint strikes against houthis in yemen came after repeated warnings , with after repeated warnings, with the foreign secretary saying attacks in the sea must now attacks in the red sea must now stop 36 sites across 13 locations were hit by coalition forces in response to what lord cameron says are reckless actions which threaten the freedom of navigation and put innocent lives at risk. the houthi rebels , backed by iran, houthi rebels, backed by iran, have vowed to respond . former have vowed to respond. former defence minister tobias ellwood says britain was right to take

further action in our economy and our security are symbiotic , and our security are symbiotic, interconnected as we see in the red sea. >> if we don't protect those international shipping lanes, if we don't step forward with other nations, then our way of life is now challenged because of these errant nations taking advantage of our ever wobbly international rules based order. britain does step up. that's who we are. as a nation, and we need to start doing it again. meanwhile mps are warning the uk's armed forces won't be ready for war unless critical needs are addressed. >> the commons defence committee says the military is consistent , says the military is consistent, overstretched and it's capability is being marred by stockpile shortages and a recruitment crisis . it comes as recruitment crisis. it comes as the royal navy aircraft carrier hms queen elizabeth was forced to abandon a nato exercise at the last minute after a problem with a propeller shaft was discovered. the former home secretary says the government's rwanda plan to deter illegal migrants coming to the uk won't

work. suella braverman told camilla tominey the prime minister didn't listen to her proposals because they may have upset some communities. >> what we were proposing to the rwanda bill was to exclude issued individual claims , pretty issued individual claims, pretty much, uh , you know, totally. and much, uh, you know, totally. and then also so prevent the strasbourg court from actually blocking flights from taking off. um, that would have been somewhat controversial amongst the international community, amongst, uh, certain sectors, the legal community, for example . and i think that there's a sense that we don't want to upset certain certain groups . upset certain certain groups. >> a man has been arrested on suspicion of dangerous dog offences following the death of a woman in essex. offences following the death of a woman in essex . the 68 year a woman in essex. the 68 year old, named by her family as esther martin, was reportedly visiting her i! esther martin, was reportedly visiting her 11 year old grandson when she was attacked in the seaside village of jaywick . the two dogs, thought jaywick. the two dogs, thought to be xl bully lives were destroyed. experts are yet to confirm the breed, though a 39

year old man remains in custody. the mother of the murdered teenager, brianna ghey, has called for a ban on social media apps for under 16 seconds. 215 year olds killed brianna ghey with a knife in cheshire last year. with a knife in cheshire last year . her with a knife in cheshire last year. her mother with a knife in cheshire last year . her mother says she wants year. her mother says she wants to see special phones for children with restricted access to social media apps , and also to social media apps, and also for inappropriate search terms to be flagged to parents. scarlett jenkinson, who was jailed on friday, watched videos of torture and murder online before attacking briana. demi traitors who claim war memorials could face three months in prison and a fine of £1,000 pro palestinian demonstrators claim the scale. the royal artillery memorial in london, following a protest outside parliament in november, home secretary james cleverly described it as an inqu cleverly described it as an insult and says it can't continue. the measure will apply across england and wales and is set to be introduced in the house of commons, and the king has been seen in public for the first time since leaving

hospital. he was spotted smiling and waving at the crowd that had gathered at the entrance to saint mary magdalene church in sandringham. majesty was sandringham. his majesty was discharged hospital last discharged from hospital last monday after being treated for an enlarged prostate . for more an enlarged prostate. for more on all of our stories , you can on all of our stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts . just sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code that you can see right now, or you can go to gb .com/ alerts. now it's gb news .com/ alerts. now it's back to dawn . back to dawn. >> thank you very much , karen. >> thank you very much, karen. let's get straight into today's story show. we've got a great show coming up for you. the us and uk have launched another round of joint strikes on the houthis . at least 30 targets in houthis. at least 30 targets in yemen were hit yesterday in response to their continuing attacks on vessels in the red sea. defence secretary grant shapps says the fresh air strikes were not an escalation, but instead to protect innocent lives and preserve the freedom of navigation in the area.

joining me now is gb news political correspondent katherine forster to bring us up to speed on what exactly is going on here, catherine. hello. um, well , basically, what going on here, catherine. hello. um, well, basically, what is going on more air strikes. >> yes. so this is the third round now of military strikes by the united kingdom and the united states on these houthi targets in yemen . they, of targets in yemen. they, of course, have been doing huge damage to international shipping, which has been sending pnces shipping, which has been sending prices of sending goods around the world through the roof. ultimately will have a knock on effect on the prices that we pay here in the united kingdom. so this is the third time they've done this. now the defence secretary grant shapps saying this is not an escalation . david this is not an escalation. david cameron, the foreign secretary, saying imploring the houthi rebels to stop what he calls their reckless attacks and saying they have been given repeated warnings and no

expectation on really, i think that this means that the houthi attacks are going to stop. what they're trying to do is limit their capability and reduce the number of the attacks happening . number of the attacks happening. and this, of course, comes hot on the heels of the united states s, um, reprisals the day before for those three american servicemen who had been killed in jordan about a week ago. now that those strikes were in in iraq and in syria, about 85 targets there, quite wide ranging and leading iraq to say that the middle east was on the bnnk that the middle east was on the brink of the abyss. but foreign secretary david cameron is still sounding an optimistic note, saying that he is hopeful that a ceasefire can be reached in in gaza. and of course , those these gaza. and of course, those these are all conflicts happening in separate areas . um, hamas are all conflicts happening in separate areas. um, hamas in gaza, hezbollah , uh, you know,

gaza, hezbollah, uh, you know, and the houthis , too, are all and the houthis, too, are all fund led by and supported by, by iran. david cameron is hoping there's a lot of international diplomacy going on at qatar , diplomacy going on at qatar, particularly involved. there hopeful that a ceasefire can begin soon in, in gaza, that that might be potentially for six weeks, that it may become something more permanent and that if that happened , then that that if that happened, then that would lead to a more stable situation in the red sea as well, which is something we all hope for. >> uh, catherine, thank you very much. that's katherine forster, our gb news political correspondent there. with the news of more bombings overnight by america and the uk. uh, now let's see what my wonderful panel make of this. i'm thrilled. a great panel for you today. joining me throughout the show is leader of the heritage party, david kirton. and the former labour adviser scarlett maguire. thank you very much for joining me on a sunday afternoon. really appreciate

your now we once again, your time. now we once again, we're not starting with the best news in the world. more airstrikes on the houthi rebels . airstrikes on the houthi rebels. um, but you know, david cameron, who is out. i believe, in lebanon at the moment is actually talking about this being fire fighting rather than starting fires. do you believe him? scarlett >> i mean, i think if you choose to bomb people , you are to bomb people, you are escalating something . escalating something. >> there's no question. what i mean, i do understand that there is no question that what the houthis are doing is stopping or what they're trying to do is stopping navigation in the red sea and, and, and it's working right . um, sea and, and, and it's working right. um, and that sea and, and, and it's working right . um, and that obviously right. um, and that obviously you can't let it go, but i do not understand the strategy behind this, apart from to say we are doing something . we are doing something. >> i mean, and david cameron at lord david cameron said , you lord david cameron said, you know, you have a choice to do nothing in is a choice. and we

are doing something. >> but the thing is that what we know about the houthis is the saudis bombed them for years and didn't win that . didn't win that. >> the houthis have very small drone is inexpensive. >> can i say every time we do it, it costs a fortune and it's not working . not working. >> and the real thing is how do you get something to work ? you get something to work? >> and it is, i'm afraid, diploma , ac it is what churchill diploma, ac it is what churchill said . said. >> jaw, jaw rather than war. war. >> david i mean , david cameron >> david i mean, david cameron is saying he's our, um, spoken and met with the iranian foreign minister and had a very robust conversation because we know that it's iran that are backing all these these militant groups . all these these militant groups. um, but what else can we do? i mean, obviously, you know, talking doesn't seem to be working at the moment. >> well, we shouldn't be bombing yemen for a start. i mean, this is dangerous. it's reckless. what grant shapps said that this is not an escalation. is really gaslighting the highest gaslighting of the highest order. this is an escalation

because we're bombing a country that don't need bomb . now. that we don't need to bomb. now. we also look into what's we need to also look into what's happening this is happening and why this is happening and why this is happening and why this is happening and the context. happening and the wider context. so houthis started targeting so the houthis started targeting ships that were on their way to israel only because because of what's happening in gaza and i think a lot of people are absolutely shocked how israel absolutely shocked at how israel is responded to the obviously horrific attacks . on the 7th of horrific attacks. on the 7th of october with with no way, way more violence and aggression against gaza. you know, you've got 30,000 plus people killed there, including 15,000 children. the government of children. and the government of yemen, which is now ansar allah, the houthis, they said, well, we're going to take action to try to protest against this. and the only way that they can, which is to try to stop israeli ships through up to the ships going through up to the suez canal. >> they did also attack one >> but they did also attack one of our warships after after we bombed, started bombing bombed, after we started bombing them, think initially in them, i think initially in november there three november wasn't there three strikes and they weren't necessarily israeli . necessarily all on israeli. >> i think they may have been on their way to ports in israel,

though, which was why that they targeted those ships. so it was israeli flagships and ships of other israel. other nations going to israel. so definitely to do with so it was definitely to do with gaza and israel. what we should be doing is putting pressure on the netanyahu regime in israel to have a ceasefire and stop bombing palestinians in gaza. that would stop it. and that's the way to do it. >> do you think it would stop it, though? scala? i mean, both israel and hamas in gaza. and we come back to this time and time again, have both said that they do accept each other and do not accept each other and they will not stop until the other side is wiped out. >> no, we have to have a ceasefire in gaza. >> i mean, there is absolutely no question. and when we say but the houthis, the houthis aren't really interested in gaza. and you go but this only began after october 7. >> it started. it's not for us to say to the houthis, no, no, no, no, you're using you're doing it for different reasons. the houthis have made it clear that this is what they're doing. >> they're doing it because, i

mean, frankly, the reason we need a ceasefire in gaza is, as david said , is to stop killing david said, is to stop killing palestinians and in particular, palestinians and in particular, palestinian women and children. >> i mean, you know, and there is a real problem. >> and what we have to understand is that as far as the rest of the world, and particularly what is called the global south, and they go right, so israelis matter , but so israelis matter, but palestinians don't . palestinians don't. >> you can kill a few thousand. >> you can kill a few thousand. >> and as he says, it's now up to about 30, 30,000 palestinians, according to hamas i >> -- >> okay. but we do know we do know tens of thousands of palestinians. >> and the ones that are still alive are living in horrendous , alive are living in horrendous, absolutely horrendous circumstances. we desperately need a ceasefire. >> we've got to have one. >> we've got to have one. >> okay. but playing devil's advocate here, the israelis would say a ceasefire would only give hamas time to rebuild and make further attacks on israel ,

make further attacks on israel, who they have declared is an illegal state that needs to be wiped out. >> well, israel created hamas back in the 90s because they didn't want a two state solution. netanyahu we know, doesn't two state doesn't want a two state solution. he wants to rule the entire territory from the river to the sea, just as hamas does. so you've got two interests and groups opposing each other. but at the end of the day, they've got to sort out their own problems and that we can't intervene in. i don't think it's right intervene on one side right to intervene on one side or other. have to just or the other. we have to just insist they get together insist that they get together and and the jews and and ceasefire and the jews and arabs in that place, they arabs living in that place, they need they find a way need to they need to find a way to live together. otherwise one side to get wiped out. side is going to get wiped out. does not make a global does it not make it a global problem, though, scarlett, when they! problem, though, scarlett, when they i mean, saw the bodies they i mean, we saw the bodies of three american troops being flown after attack by rebels. >> does that not make it? it's no longerjust about these two no longer just about these two countries. it is a global problem they are killing problem when they are killing american troops and it could it could have been our troops. >> and it is a global problem . i

>> and it is a global problem. i mean that that's the whole problem is, is, is that that as soon as , uh, as israel as soon as, uh, as israel as i mean, well, frankly, as soon as hamas massacred the israelis , we hamas massacred the israelis, we knew there was a global problem because we knew and hamas knew it, that israel would, would, would , would, would retaliate. would, would, would retaliate. and it immediately becomes a global problem. and if you look at, i mean, you know, we sort of say, oh, look, isn't it all terrible? a lot of it is caught as being caused by us. i mean, still an awful lot is the results of the complete mess. we made in iraq. >> that is that is now, you know what used to be under a under a tyrannical dictator of prospering country is no longer and actually , it's about time we and actually, it's about time we in particular britain and the united states started looking at the consequences of what we were doing and, and started eating a

bit of humble pie. >> this is obviously we're running out of time. well, let's just very quickly, david, coming to you finally, um, this is a problem that's been going on for hundreds years. if not hundreds of years. if not millennia, that the problem between these two tribes, if you like , is scarlet right to say we like, is scarlet right to say we have semi created this latest problem? well, i think this is a great discussion because we've got scarlet here on the left. >> i'm on the right. and we agree, you know every time we intervene in the middle east whether it's in syria or libya or israel, or you know, now israel, palestine and or , you know, palestine and or, you know, other places, iraq, we've caused more problems than we've solved. and we just need to stop interfering in these countries. we to let them , uh, get on we need to let them, uh, get on and do what they do and do what they want to do without worse. without making things worse. >> right. strong >> okay. right. well, strong opinions there . um, for all the opinions there. um, for all the best analysis and opinion on this story and much more, please go to our website, gb news.com . go to our website, gb news.com. you're watching and listening to gb news sunday with me dawn neesom. lots more coming up on today's show. this is a strange

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think. on the surface. so my lovely panel are still with me. that's scarlett mccgwire and david curzon coming to you first on this one. david um, i'm sorry , initially it sounds a bit bonkers . bonkers. >> it does sound bonkers. >> it does sound bonkers. >> it does sound bonkers. >> it is bonkers. it's absolutely crazy. i mean, you know, if your people are born male or female, you cannot change your biological sex. so for someone to suggest that after you die, you can actually be a reassigned different gender to your biological sex after you die is absolutely barmy. look we have people who are archaeologist . they're digging archaeologist. they're digging up people from ancient times, and you see their pelvic bones , and you see their pelvic bones, their skeleton will tell you immediately if someone is male or female. i mean, this is what happens after you die. this is what happens to you. sadly and there's no getting away from it. >> um, this is the labour mp, charlotte nichols and warrington nonh charlotte nichols and warrington north suggested this . i north who have suggested this. i mean, it, if we if we mean, doesn't it, if we if we allow to happen, is it allow this to happen, is it normal rising self—id in the nhs and doesn't skew of

and doesn't it skew all sorts of medical medical statistics and yeah, i mean, so how we treat various things, i mean there's one, one incident of a of a trans child who'd taken their own life and we know male suicide is a big thing. but that was then going down as a female . was then going down as a female. it's a confusing issue . it's a confusing issue. >> yes. >> yes. >> so the reason she did it was because of the terrible case of brianna ghey , who was killed , brianna ghey, who was killed, um, and because she's underage, she will be buried as a man, as a as a male , rather than as a as a male, rather than as a female. whereas her family , uh, female. whereas her family, uh, i mean, everybody even gb news talks about her as her and recognised as that she had transitioned . so i think i think transitioned. so i think i think that's i mean, while i agree with david that that , you know, with david that that, you know, youn with david that that, you know, your, your pelvic bones and everything, you know, will always be, will always be male for her. um, actually it's about

official records and it's about the i mean , my view about the i mean, my view about brianna is actually we should be talking about the way we talk , talking about the way we talk, not you at all about transgender people. and recognising, i mean , people. and recognising, i mean, because it was a hate crime, right? and actually, that it's the most important thing about her death is, is that one of the reasons, one of the main reasons she was killed by, by by the young man in um was because she was transgender. so actually it's about that. but it is i mean, it's about being respectful, but it's not about saying , look, you know, that saying, look, you know, that person's been dead ten years. and i think really they were a male or a female. it's about respecting what people are. and i think that's fine. >> okay. so david, coming back to you then on this one, um , to you then on this one, um, sir, liam fox, the mp for north somerset who formerly worked as a medical doctor. he says it's patently absurd , factually, patently absurd, factually, factually inaccurate and a

statistical distortion. we should not be encouraging the idea that people can simply choose to change their biological status. so would it would it be? i mean, if we're thinking about brian , i mean, thinking about brian, i mean, you know, as scarlett said, it was just horrific. one of the reasons she was murdered , reasons she was murdered, certainly by the male concerned in this was because she was transgender. would it make sense then identify then to identify her as transgender woman rather than woman? >> well, everyone is calling her a woman . a girl in this official a woman. a girl in this official start in the official stats. well, you go by the biological sex. so obviously she is still what i use. the word she here because this is what everyone's doing. i would normally say he, but obviously you don't want to say that because this is a horrible thing that's happened to an individual person. this is horrible thing that's happened tchorrible/idual person. this is horrible thing that's happened tchorrible crime person. this is horrible thing that's happened tchorrible crime and on. this is horrible thing that's happened tchorrible crime and all this is horrible thing that's happened tchorrible crime and all ofis is a horrible crime and all of this. so, you know, this is a very delicate, delicate situation. but in official statistics , um, brianna , as statistics, um, brianna, as she's called or is a biological male. so so in statistics in the

nhs should deal with her posthumously, should be as a male . and this would be if you male. and this would be if you change this in the gender recognition act, this will be another step to normal rising transgenderism and i worry here that this horrible situation is now being weaponized , used in now being weaponized, used in order to advance the transgender agenda and to normalise things . agenda and to normalise things. if i just one thing, you did mention, which is very interesting, is about, um, suicides in transgender people , suicides in transgender people, but the suicide rate doesn't change age after transition. it stays the same. it's usually underlying issues, which are the issue , not people's gender. issue, not people's gender. >> um, so i mean, this has been slammed by those who are opposing this, um, as you know, a back door to more transgender. i id in the nhs service. a back door to more transgender. i id in the nhs service . yes. i id in the nhs service. yes. um, so, scarlett, i mean , does um, so, scarlett, i mean, does this end up with sort of like, you know, babies sort of like,

you know, babies sort of like, you know, babies sort of like, you know, not being given a sex at birth . i mean, does it go as at birth. i mean, does it go as far as that? >> no. i mean, it is quite clear that you look at a baby boy or a baby girl and they may have a sex and they have a biology. fickle sex. what we're talking aboutis fickle sex. what we're talking about is we're talking about a tiny minority of people. right. it's really, really important. a tiny minority of people who who find themselves very, very unhappy. and they they identify with the other sex and actually , with the other sex and actually, there's always been a spectrum . there's always been a spectrum. i mean, you know, i was a tom boy when young. my i, i absolutely and i, and i actually thought, well, you know, now that we've got feminisms, but my daughter was two and my son used to say, you know, when i grow up and i'm a girl, i mean, it's fine, but so they were on part of it. but when you have have somebody who really, really identifies with another gender, i just think it's and then they

die . right. i just think it's and then they die. right. and i just think it's and then they die . right. and that's what die. right. and that's what we're talking about . die. right. and that's what we're talking about. um, die. right. and that's what we're talking about . um, whether we're talking about. um, whether it's suicide, um, or whatever, i just think it's respectful oil that you bury them as their genden that you bury them as their gender. and i think this thing about normalisation, it is a tiny, tiny minority of about normalisation, it is a and, and they are very, very , and, and they are very, very, very repressed. um, and what, what the way they are treated by society is often pretty awful . society is often pretty awful. >> it's a fascinating debate. and very curious to see which you side. you come down on this one or or do you see both points of view? gb views at gb news get your opinions coming in, because this is all about what you think you're watching and listening to. gb thunder me dawn to. gb news thunder with me dawn neesom more coming up on neesom plenty more coming up on today's show now. incredibly, the manhunt continues for a chemical attack suspect a suspect, abdul azizi, who was reportedly in a relationship with the mother that was attacked. we'll bring you the very latest on that story now.

but first, here's the news with . aaron. >> yeah. thank you very much. dawn. it is 130 in the gb newsroom and we will start with that story of the suspected chemical attacker. police have offered a £20,000 reward for information that may lead to his arrest. they've also released new footage of abdul azadi in a tesco store in north london on wednesday. and also that he was last seen leaving tower hill underground in the east end of the city, just after half past nine. it came after a woman and her two children were attacked. the mother remains in hospital with what's thought to be life changing injuries. police say forensic tests shown a very forensic tests have shown a very strong, concentrated, corrosive substance was used either liquid sodium hydroxide or carbonate . sodium hydroxide or carbonate. uk and us joint strikes against houthis in yemen came after repeated warnings with the

foreign secretary saying attacks in the red sea must now stop 36 sites across 13 locations in yemen were hit by coalition forces in response to what lord cameron says are reckless actions which threaten the freedom of navigation and put innocent lives at risk . the innocent lives at risk. the houthi rebels, backed by iran , houthi rebels, backed by iran, have vowed to respond . a man's have vowed to respond. a man's been arrested on suspicion of dangerous dog offences following the death of a woman in essex. the 68 year old, named by her family as esther martin, was reportedly visiting her 11 year old grandson when she was attacked in jaywick. the two dogs, thought to be xl bullies , dogs, thought to be xl bullies, were destroyed. experts though, are yet to confirm their breed . are yet to confirm their breed. a 39 year old man remains in custody . and the king has been custody. and the king has been seen out and about for the first time since leaving hospital. he was spotted smiling and waving at a crowd that had gathered at the entrance of saint mary magdalene church in sandringham . magdalene church in sandringham. king charles was discharged from hospital last monday after being

treated for an enlarged prostate . i'll be back with more news at the top of the next hour, or you can get alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen . or you qr code on your screen. or you can go to gbb news.com . slash can go to gbb news.com. slash alerts. now it's back to dawn . alerts. now it's back to dawn. >> thank you very much, aaron. right, and welcome back to gb news sunday with me. dawn neesom on tv, online and on digital radio. now, lots of you have been getting in touch. got great debate going on in the studio and you all want to get involved with this great news and some very strong opinions as well on the gender change story. were the gender change story. we were just is just talking about, which is where has suggested where a labour mp has suggested that dead change their that the dead can change their gender after they've passed on. um, from louis the world um, this is from louis the world has off its rocker. has really gone off its rocker. how on can people how on earth can dead people change gender? it's change their gender? it's complete lot of people complete lunacy. a lot of people agreeing with there on agreeing with you out there on that meanwhile, graham that one. um, meanwhile, graham says a dead people to says if a dead people wish to change their gender, they should

articulate wishes verbally articulate their wishes verbally and the necessary documents and sign the necessary documents . and, um, steve, and . okay. and, um, steve, and summing up what a lot of you are saying as well. um, why can't we be satisfied with the gender we are born with and just be grateful of life? and i think when put this in the context when you put this in the context of what happened to poor brianna, um, it's a very strong opinion indeed. but do keep your opinions coming in, because this show, as i said, it's all about us, all about you. so now let's move on to the other big story. this week and still ongoing. astonishing. reward of up to astonishing. a reward of up to £20,000 is offered for information leading to the arrest of clapham chemical attacker abdul ezedi. the manhunt continues. um, for abdul , who was reportedly in a relationship with the mother that was attacked on wednesday . that was attacked on wednesday. police say significant piece of evidence were recovered in raids conducted at two addresses in london and three in newcastle. detectives detectives urge the 35 year old to hand himself in

after going on the run following the attack in clapham earlier this morning. camilla tominey sat down with the former home secretary suella braverman, and asked her about the ongoing situation . here's what she had situation. here's what she had to say. kc illustrates major failings and we need to wait for the review to confirm exactly what's gone wrong. >> but i think there are two elements here. there's the fact that we had a convicted sex offender who was allowed to stay in the country. we need to overhaul rules relating to overhaul the rules relating to that. secondly, think the that. and secondly, i think the church many answers, church has many answers, questions answer about the questions to answer about the role they've played . role that they've played. >> mm. lots of questions. and not that many answers so far, are they. joining me now is former scotland yard detective peter bleksley, who been peter bleksley, who has been covering this case from . it covering this case from. it started and spent a lot of time explaining things to us yesterday. a rather brilliantly peter, thank so much for peter, thank you so much for coming afternoon. um, coming back this afternoon. um, peter, now reward on coming back this afternoon. um, pet

you make of the recent developments ? developments? >> yes, this dreadful attack did indeed happen on wednesday evening . and some of the footage evening. and some of the footage which has been released by the met police today and called new, is only new to us because it's the first time we're seeing it yet again . that was filmed on yet again. that was filmed on wednesday evening, and the piece of information about him being seen at tower hill underground station towards the east end of london that comes from wednesday evening. so there's nothing that's contemporary , that's new. that's contemporary, that's new. this search for him hasn't narrowed him down to a particular town or village or city. by the sound of things , city. by the sound of things, and it could well be construed that this £20,000 reward is a sign of desperation on behalf of the metropolitan police . the metropolitan police. >> how can i ask you this? yesterday, peter ? i know we yesterday, peter? i know we don't have a definitive answer , don't have a definitive answer, but how can this be happening? how can someone who's quite clearly got a severely burnt face there? very, very obvious. just just disappear? just just

completely vanish? i mean, are we assuming that somebody is shielding him now ? someone is shielding him now? someone is looking after him . looking after him. >> that's a very sensible theory to work upon . and contrary to to work upon. and contrary to some of the utter nonsense that other people have spoken about this case today , the harsh this case today, the harsh reality is, is that some people do go on the run successfully and are quite simply never found. take kevin powell, for example, wanted in liverpool in connection with two separate murders. he's been on the run since 2004. farooq abdullah wanted by the metropolitan police , is suspected of going to police, is suspected of going to yemen and been wanted for over a decade. yemen and been wanted for over a decade . and some people, if they decade. and some people, if they have a suitably equipped network that's broad enough and wide enough to move them around and feed them, clothe them , feed them, clothe them, transport them, keep them, fund it, and simply go on the run and stay on the run. now, i

sincerely hope that that is not the case with this man . he the case with this man. he definitely needs to be captured and perhaps he is in a bolt hole in dreadful pain . possibly. who in dreadful pain. possibly. who knows ? and let's hope the police knows? and let's hope the police are encircling him and soon they're going to slap the handcuffs on. but the way things have gone with the different information they've released, the different press conferences and all of that kind of information, i'm not very confident that we'll be hearing of an arrest very soon. >> well, uh, peter, thank you very much for joining >> well, uh, peter, thank you very much forjoining us again. that's peter bleksley former met detectives there on the ongoing story of abdul ezedi, who is still at large. um, but three, four days on now, isn't it? um, my panel are still with me, so i'm going to come to you first on this one. david um, i find it quite astonishing thing that initially we were given no description of who was being looked for hours after this attack, by the way, it was just attack, by the way, it was just a man will tell us what we're

looking for, and then we might be able to find him at and now we still have no clue as to where he is. >> yeah, it's absolutely shocking , isn't it? the shocking, isn't it? the information should as information should come out as soon as it's available. so everybody knows. and anyone everybody knows. and if anyone sees closer to the time, sees him closer to the time, close to the area, they can call the police. and then maybe that makes of him being makes the chances of him being arrested higher. arrested much, much higher. so four now, been on the four days now, he's been on the run, know, as your run, you know, as your correspondent may correspondent said there, he may be run for a long time be on the run for a long time yet. and this can't happen because this is such a horrible crime. >> do you think they were the initial lack of information given to the public? david, do you think was because the you think it was because the police made maybe police were made maybe frightened inflaming some frightened of inflaming some sort of racial tension or anti—migrant feeling? this goes on quite regularly, doesn't it? >> it's the same kind of thing that to led the, um, grooming gangsin that to led the, um, grooming gangs in rotherham and other places, and it's the same kind of thing, isn't it? if someone is ethnic minority, is of an ethnic minority, sometimes you have some people in places , in positions high up in places, in positions high up in places, in positions high up in the police force who sit on

information because they don't want to be accused of being racist or something. it's a completely false way of doing things. you know, there should be equality before the law. this should not even be a consideration . okay? his name is consideration. okay? his name is abdul ezedi. so what? let people know his name immediately and scarlett, do you think there is maybe he, you know, as as as david's just said, an element here of tiptoeing around a suspect. >> well , an suspect. >> well, an the suspect. >> well , an the reality suspect. >> well, an the reality is by doing that , they are putting doing that, they are putting women's lives at risk. >> oh, yeah. i mean, they we have no idea of, of the reason why i mean, i don't think his name was as important as pictures of his face. i mean, you know, i have no idea who abdullah ibc is, but if i had seen him in a shop with that face and had seen a picture on the television or on my phone or something, i would know. i mean, that's what should have been released immediately. and it

wasn't about, you know, what nationality he was. it was it was that he is so recognisable , was that he is so recognisable, visible with that , with that visible with that, with that acid after that terrible attack. i mean, of course this man is, is, is a, he's a danger to women . he thought clearly that, you know, whatever that poor woman in hospital did to him, like possibly leave him. um that that was an affront. and you can behave like that and it's not about, i mean, we know all too well that actually it's not a culture thing. i mean, there are as many white men in britain who who take revenge on their partners for leaving them as non—white. it's not cultural . non—white. it's not cultural. it's i mean, it's a terrible thing. uh, and we have to we have to say these men are dangerous. yes. >> obviously, violence against women and girls is not, you know, down to one nationality, one race, etcetera, etc. but there is a cultural issue with

acid attacks on women in many cultures around the world. do you think there is a danger we're importing that into the united kingdom? >> well, there is. i mean, there's this whole culture of honour have in certain honour that you have in certain countries, certain middle eastern countries and parts of pakistan parts pakistan and so on. parts of africa the whole pakistan and so on. parts of africa but the whole pakistan and so on. parts of africa but there the whole pakistan and so on. parts of africa but there are the whole pakistan and so on. parts of africébut there are certain>le area, but there are certain tribes in that that have that culture. and if you bring shame on leaving on a man by leaving a relationship, then they will take revenge on you. if you bnng take revenge on you. if you bring shame on a family, for example , in whatever way, by example, in whatever way, by killing a member of the family, they will and kill someone they will go and kill someone else in the family. that's um, killed them. this is the culture which is completely alien to our british culture. but it is coming over with mass migration. so yes, it's true that there are some white people who hurt their girlfriends and wives and girlfriends and wives and girlfriends , but there is the girlfriends, but there is the hold on david of a weak issue of chemical attacks has risen up, starting in london over the last 4 or 5 six years, and it's increased and increased. and i

think this is a very, very worrying thing. but this man here is a convicted sex offender. he should have been deported immediately. yeah. and not to stay in the not allowed to stay in the country. then this wouldn't have happened. issue happened. that's another issue as but it's really, really >> but it's really, really important to say that that men taking revenge on women leaving them is not, is not about about a muslim thing. >> it is. there are two women a week killed in britain, mostly three white women killed by their white partners. absolutely right. this is not about culture. this is about this is about entitlement. that thinking . and you don't have to be muslim to think she has brought shame on me. i'm going to go and kill her. >> absolutely. a tolkien has read that, you know, most men are potentially are capable of this . it's are potentially are capable of this. it's the acid are potentially are capable of this . it's the acid attack that this. it's the acid attack that i think is a cultural thing. >> i wouldn't say most men, okay, but there are small i mean, i don't want to tar all men with. okay, but but yeah, i

mean there is on a culture and we do need to take that into account. we do need to realise it's increasing and it is an issue, but we are coming back to this topic well because this topic as well because there's the element the there's the element of the church for a sex attacker. >> and there's lots more coming up on today's show. uh, residents living in britain's most obese town say they're have been invaded in invaded by chicken shops . um, but can you chicken shops. um, but can you guess which town has been crowned the fattest in britain ? crowned the fattest in britain? all of that and much more to come. i'm dawn neesom and you're watching to gb watching and listening to gb news, news channel .

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surprise, as the high street is being taken over by chicken shops. being taken over by chicken shops . locals are urging council shops. locals are urging council bosses to ban any others from opening, as shocking statistics have revealed that 27% of people living in luton have been classified as obese . yet chicken classified as obese. yet chicken shops and other fast food outlets are dominating the town centre . um, well, if you're centre. um, well, if you're having a nice, healthy sunday lunch that involves chicken, um, it guilt free. okay, you can carry on eating, um, but this is fried chicken shops. i must confess. full confession here. i've never eaten fried chicken in my life. so, scarlett , what in my life. so, scarlett, what do you make of this story? >> well, i think it's great that they're saying keep them out. that actually that people are saying we've got to. we've got to start changing. because, i mean, i remember a young medic saying that if you got rid of old people in the nhs , you could old people in the nhs, you could old people in the nhs, you could old people in the nhs, you could old people and fat people , you old people and fat people, you could basically close down a lot of hospitals. i mean, the problems that, that, that go

from obesity are so appalling . from obesity are so appalling. you know, i mean, obviously we know about type 2 diabetes, cancer is more likely hip, uh, new knee, new hips. you need new knees. new knee, new hips. you need new knees . i mean, it is terrible knees. i mean, it is terrible for cancers are linked to obesity as well. >> yeah. yeah yeah, yeah i mean absolutely. >> and anybody i mean, you know, i've had cancer and was told to make sure that i never got fat to make sure it didn't it didn't come back. but actually, i mean that that's that's what we need to do. i mean, obesity is a real problem . and, and we have to do problem. and, and we have to do things about it. and we have to encourage people because i mean, it's all very well for sort of skinny men, as they do to say, well, it's just a matter of eating less , but it's not that eating less, but it's not that easy.i eating less, but it's not that easy. i mean, as we all, many of us know, there are lots of psychological reasons why people are obese . are obese. >> i mean, i agree it's but but two out of three adults in luton are classified as obese or overweight . and there are 19

overweight. and there are 19 peri peri chicken shops , um, in peri peri chicken shops, um, in the high street, basically . um, the high street, basically. um, now the residents are saying this is the council's fault and this is the council's fault and this is the council's fault and this is where i have issue with this is where i have issue with this story . why do the residents this story. why do the residents not need to take a little bit of personal responsibility for going to the chicken shops? >> yeah, of course. i mean, this is this is supply and demand. this capitalism . this is how this is capitalism. this is how the economy this the economy works in this country. choices country. people make choices about what they spend their money on and what they and money on and what they eat. and yeah, obviously can make yeah, obviously people can make more choices, but if more responsible choices, but if they irresponsible choices, they make irresponsible choices, they make irresponsible choices, they then go to say, oh, they can't then go to say, oh, it's the council's fault. it's not. it's their fault for what they do with their own, their own choices and their own lifestyle. there lifestyle. so, you know, there is obviously big demand for is obviously a big demand for fried in luton many fried chicken in luton and many other the country other places around the country as well. i'm sure luton is not the only town that this is an issue with. so you know, it's not really council's place not really the council's place to what businesses can to decide what businesses can open can open and what businesses can close. mean , that's that's close. i mean, that's that's almost, know, that's almost, you know, that's totalitarianism in a way, economically . so it's got to

economically. so it's got to work through the free market and hopefully people will, uh, make choices after this , make choices after seeing this, make better choices. maybe after seeing this report scholar, as we touched on earlier, obviously there are lots of reasons why people are obese. >> but mean, there has to be >> but i mean, there has to be an element. surely of taking some personal risk. you could walk chicken to go walk past the chicken shop to go to greengrocers. to the greengrocers. >> but, but but >> you could, but, but but actually, know , every time actually, you know, every time i'm in a shop and i see, you know, cadbury's dairy milk and things like that, it is an effort to walk past it. so so i think that they are being responsive double by i think they're being incredibly responsible by saying to the council, we've got to do something about it. >> and i would just like to qualify that scarlett is qualify here that scarlett is a very, very fine figure of a woman not an ounce of fat on woman and not an ounce of fat on you. very fit looking indeed. uh, from from uh, right. we move on from from chicken. you're watching and chicken. uh, you're watching and listening news with listening to gb news sunday with me. neesom lots more coming me. dawn neesom lots more coming up show , but, um, let's up on the show, but, um, let's go a look at the go and have a look at the weather while you're having your

chicken dinner. probably. um, but far. but don't go too far. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. sunshine is in relatively short supply across much of the uk today, and it's due to these moist southwesterly winds filtering around this area of high pressure filtering in a lot of cloud from the atlantic. so misty and murky around some coastal areas. but there are a few brighter breaks around for some central eastern areas, and there some clearer there will be some clearer spells overnight as well. a very miserable come though, miserable night to come though, for western scotland, with heavy and rainfall right and persistent rainfall right throughout night . and persistent rainfall right throughout night. mild throughout the whole night. mild for most of us underneath all this cloud. generally temperatures around 7 to 9 c, but a touch of frost is possible across the far north, where we hold on to some slightly colder air, and where that rain band pushes into the colder air ahead of it. we could see some snow, at least over the hills of the

highlands, caithness, perhaps even into orkney during monday as wet though for as well. so very wet though for western scotland, but 170mm of rain potentially building up in a few spots by the end of the day. some localised disruption is possible, while cloudy elsewhere, with outbreaks of rain. patchy drizzle around at times. few brighter times. again, a few brighter slots but another mild slots possible, but another mild one temperatures one for all of us. temperatures around 10 to 12 c. on tuesday. the rain will eventually clear from western scotland start from western scotland and start pushing its way further southwards. northern ireland, northern england, maybe even seeing hill snow over the seeing some hill snow over the pennines, mountains, pennines, the mourne mountains, as well. cloudy, the as well. cloudy, blustery to the south that. cold air south of that. but the cold air behind weather front will south of that. but the cold air behirto weather front will south of that. but the cold air behirto sinkweather front will south of that. but the cold air behirto sink its|ther front will south of that. but the cold air behirto sink its way front will south of that. but the cold air behirto sink its way southward start to sink its way southward dunng start to sink its way southward during of the week, during the rest of the week, filtering more areas looks filtering to more areas by looks like things are heating up . like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> thank you very much, jonathan. lots more coming up on today's show. uh, late ditches radical reforms as it prepares

to bomb proof election manifesto with plans to reform social care and the house of lords on the chopping block . and i think utah chopping block. and i think utah and possibly all of that and much more to come. i'm dawn neesom and you're watching and listening to gb news britain's news channel. don't go too far. but you can put the kettle on. we'll let you do that.

hello and welcome to gb news sunday. thank you for joining hello and welcome to gb news sunday. thank you forjoining us sunday. thank you for joining us this lovely sunday lunchtime . this lovely sunday lunchtime. hoping you have a wonderful weekend. i'm dawn neesom and for the next hour i'll be keeping you on tv, online and on you company on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up this houn digital radio. coming up this hour. ditches radical hour. labour ditches radical reforms as it prepares to bow proof election manifesto with plans to reform social care and the house of lords on the chopping block called u—turn. i believe. but will this pre—election shake up, blow, blow up in starmer's face then? britain is not ready for war. a new landmark report highlights . new landmark report highlights. britain's hollowed out armed forces are simply not ready to fight russia, if it comes to it, will we ever be prepared for war, though? and two former home secretaries, suella brave and dame priti patel, have hit out at britain's churches for their alleged support bogus asylum. alleged support of bogus asylum. asylum claims are they right though? . but this show is

though? but. but this show is nothing without you and your views. so let us know your thoughts on all the stories we're discussing today. email me on at gb news. com or on gb views at gb news. com or message on our socials. we're message me on our socials. we're at gb news. but first let's have at gb news. but first let's have a look at the news headlines with aaron armstrong . with aaron arm strong. >> with aaron armstrong. >> good afternoon. it is a minute past two. i'm aaron armstrong. police have offered a £20,000 reward for information that may lead to the arrest of a suspected chemical attacker . the suspected chemical attacker. the new footage has been released of abdul ezedi in a tesco store in north london on wednesday . north london on wednesday. police also have a better idea of his movements with cctv showing he left tower hill tube station in the east end just after 9:30. that was after a woman who was known to azadi and her two children were attacked . her two children were attacked. forensic tests have shown a concentrated corrosive substance

was used, either liquid sodium hydroxide or carbonate. former met police officer norman brennan believes time is against us. eddie, who also has a significant wound on his face. >> he's in severe pain . um, i >> he's in severe pain. um, i would suggest sepsis or something like that is very likely to kick in because when you have acid, um, injuries, you need immediate emergency treatment . well, we're four days treatment. well, we're four days on now. he's got quite a horrific injury . on now. he's got quite a horrific injury. um, he's easily identifiable . but there are identifiable. but there are times where the police are looking for suspects. where they temporarily outwit us. that's why, um, the public have more eyes than the police. the police are doing all the background work. >> shadow minister sir chris bryant says serious questions need to be asked after azadi. who is from afghanistan, was granted asylum after twice being rejected . rejected. >> i do look at this horrific acid attack this week and i want to go. i'm sorry. i don't want to go. i'm sorry. i don't want to undermine the particular tribunal, but i have no idea if

all the facts that we've been told from the papers are true, how on earth that person was granted asylum ? so yes, of granted asylum? so yes, of course, we've always got to look at the rules to make sure that fundamentally we, the british people, are safe. >> uk and us joint strikes against houthis in yemen came after repeated warnings , with after repeated warnings, with the secretary saying the the foreign secretary saying the attacks in the red sea must now stop at more than 30 sites across 13 locations were hit by coalition forces in response to what lord cameron says are reckless actions which threaten the freedom of navigation and put innocent lives at risk . the put innocent lives at risk. the houthi rebels, who are backed by iran, have vowed to respond . iran, have vowed to respond. former defence minister tobias ellwood says britain was right to take further action. >> our economy and our security are symbiotic , interconnected as are symbiotic, interconnected as we see in the red sea. if we don't protect those international shipping lanes, if we don't step forward with other nations, then our way life is nations, then our way of life is now challenged. because of these errant nations taking advantage

of our ever wobbly international rules based order. britain does step up . that's who we are as a step up. that's who we are as a nafion step up. that's who we are as a nation and we need to start doing it again. >> former home secretary says the government's rwanda plan to deter illegal migrants coming to the uk won't work. suella braverman told camilla tominey the prime minister didn't agree to her proposals because they may have upset some communities. >> what we were proposing to the rwanda bill was to exclude sued individual claims , pretty much, individual claims, pretty much, uh , you know, totally. and then uh, you know, totally. and then also prevent the strasbourg court from actually blocking flights from taking off. um, that would have been somewhat controversial amongst the international community, amongst , uh, certain sectors. the legal community, for example, and i think that there's a sense that we don't want to upset certain groups . groups. >> man's been arrested on suspicion of dangerous dog offences following the death of a woman in essex, a 68 year old

named by her family as esther martin was reportedly visiting her 11 year old grandson when she was attacked in the seaside village of jaywick . the two village of jaywick. the two dogs, thought to be xl bullies, have been destroyed . experts, have been destroyed. experts, though, are yet to confirm their breed . a 39 year old man remains breed. a 39 year old man remains in custody for a further two people have been arrested in connection with the deaths of two teenagers in bristol. a 15 year old mason wrist and 16 year old max dixon were stabbed in the knowle west area last week, and a 49 year old woman and a 14 year old boy have been arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender . a total of 12 people offender. a total of 12 people have now been arrested in connection their deaths. connection with their deaths. three been charged with three have been charged with murder. mother of murdered murder. the mother of murdered teenager brianna ghey has called for a ban on social media apps for a ban on social media apps for under 16 seconds. 215 year olds killed breanna with a knife in cheshire last year. her mother says she wants to see special phones for children with restricted access to social

media apps and phones that went inappropriate. search terms would be flagged up to parents. scarlett jenkinson, who was jailed on friday, watched videos of torture and murder online before attacking briana . and the before attacking briana. and the king's been seen in public for the first time since leaving hospital. he was spotted smiling and waving at a crowd that had gathered at the entrance of the church in sandringham. king charles was discharged from hospital monday after being charles was discharged from hospitaifor monday after being charles was discharged from hospitaifor an iionday after being charles was discharged from hospitaifor an enlarged ter being treated for an enlarged prostate. if you want some more detail on any of our stories, you can sign up for gb news alerts. scan the qr code that's on your screen now or go to our website, gbnews.com slash website, gb news.com slash alerts. website, gbnews.com slash alerts. now it's back to dawn . alerts. now it's back to dawn. >> thank you very much, aaron. right, let's get stuck in to today's story, shall we? now, it's been reported that labour is ditching its most radical reform from its manifesto to

the. in a push to charm more centrist voters in the election . centrist voters in the election. starmer is planning only limited first time reforms of social care and the house of lords , and care and the house of lords, and a smaller green investment plan as part of a stripped down general election manifesto. as it seeks to make its politics, its policies bomb proof to tory attacks. joining me now is gb news political correspondent katherine forster. to explain exactly what's going on here. catherine, are we talking more flip flops here? >> well, that is certainly how the conservatives are going to frame it. isn't it? they've dubbed him mr flip flop. they say that he has no plan. he just keeps changing his mind all the time. so certainly they will say that. but what the labour view, of course, is that they are 20 points ahead in the polls . it points ahead in the polls. it looks likely if things don't change significantly, that they're heading for a majority in the next election. and fundamentally , they don't want

fundamentally, they don't want to do anything at all that might frighten the horses , that might frighten the horses, that might jeopardise that lead, that might put people that are currently thinking they're going to vote for them off. so yes, we're heanng for them off. so yes, we're hearing that some they're going to not go as far on social care reforms as they might otherwise have done. they had promised to scrap the house of lords. it seems likely now that they may simply get rid of the remaining 91 or so hereditary peers, and then, of course, there is the huge issue of the 28 billion that they were going to earmark for green investment . that was for green investment. that was announced just over two years ago. and basically that became something of a millstone around their neck. the number specifically because what the conservatives are doing is saying, look, same old labour, how are they going to pay for this? they're going to have to borrow more . they're going to borrow more. they're going to put your taxes up. you can't

trust them . so although they trust them. so although they still say they're going to be we're going to be a clean energy superpower . by 2030. and superpower. by 2030. and although the intention is still there , they think that, um, you there, they think that, um, you know , jobs are to be had in know, jobs are to be had in green technology, that that's the future, that that's the way to grow the economy. i suspect that this actual number is going to be dropped completely. they've already rowed back on it and saying, well, it's an aspiration maybe to get to at the end of the first parliament. but yeah, they're , they're going but yeah, they're, they're going to give a sort of slimmed down and manifesto . it seems as and manifesto. it seems as possible to reduce the number of attack lines potentially that the conservatives will have on them. but of course, many people will say, well, what are you going to do differently? and are you really going to be that much of an alternative the conservatives >> ooh, interesting things actually. katherine forster, thank you very much for bringing us up to speed on that one. thank you. i see what my panel

make this one. i'm going to thank you. i see what my panel make to this one. i'm going to thank you. i see what my panel make to you one. i'm going to thank you. i see what my panel make to you first i'm going to thank you. i see what my panel make to you first on] going to thank you. i see what my panel make to you first on this ng to thank you. i see what my panel make to you first on this one,» come to you first on this one, david. um, it's flip flop time again, is it? >> to be honest, i think this story is a bit of a nothing burger because they're talking about three things really about three things that really don't attention don't grab people's attention or interest they interest that much. i mean, they wanted have a national care wanted to have a national care service as one thing. i mean that there isn't at the moment. they would that i mean, they what would that do? i mean, there's not really. yeah. and he said, well , there's not really. yeah. and he said, well, we're going to do this for now. we're not going to do that. i mean, that isn't really going to make much difference people's difference to most people's lives. then said lives. i mean, then they said they're drop reform of they're going to drop reform of they're going to drop reform of the of lords. i didn't the house of lords. i didn't even they were going to even know they were going to reform lords or reform the house of lords or aboush reform the house of lords or abolish of lords, abolish the house of lords, isn't it? which would be quite radical. but mean, i didn't radical. but i mean, i didn't people even pick that people didn't even pick that up. and they're they're and now they're saying they're not going to do this. so again, that's is that's not something that is really going make to much really going to make to much difference people's lives. really going to make to much diffethe:e people's lives. really going to make to much diffethe other)eople's lives. really going to make to much diffethe other thing 's lives. really going to make to much diffethe other thing is, .ives. really going to make to much diffethe other thing is, oh, .. and the other thing is, oh, they're to not spend as they're going to not spend as much on the green agenda, but they're to spend they're still going to spend a lot money it. they will lot of money on it. they will still to spend more, borrow

still need to spend more, borrow more more. it will be more and tax more. it will be the old labour, they're the same old labour, but they're no different to the conservatives that i call the fake they're both fake conservatives. they're both into green agenda and into this green agenda and i don't believe that not don't believe that they're not going for this in a big going to go for this in a big way, are going to try way, and they are going to try to, they transform our to, as they say, transform our energy system and go green and grow but is grow sustainable. but this is just our energy just going to ruin our energy infrastructure feature. so there's to more , um, it there's going to be more, um, it cuts industry like what cuts to industry like what happenedin cuts to industry like what happened in port talbot. this happened in port talbot. this happened under the tories. it will more under labour. will happen more under labour. the energy bills will go up as people have smart metres and are told they're to have told that they're going to have told that they're going to have to their energy from wind to get their energy from wind and solar, which doesn't provide energy so this is energy all the time. so this is going to be a disaster. and i don't believe that they're not going to do this because this will be a big bait and switch. i think . they're saying one will be a big bait and switch. i think. they're saying one thing as soon as they get elected, they'll do the other was ever thus, wasn't it? >> i mean, i mean, scarlett, this is i think it's been counted up as over 20. um, keir starmer screeching u—turns. um,

will this there 20 points ahead in the polls? the streets ahead in the polls? the streets ahead in polls. will what in the polls. so will what they're saying actually they're saying today actually make at all to make any difference at all to labour voters? >> of yes and no. >> um, sort of yes and no. i mean, i do think that david is completely wrong when he talks about the green agenda just costing money. i mean, it's about borrowing to invest, not actually putting up taxes. and what we're talking about is very specific things that we really need.i specific things that we really need. i mean , like like like need. i mean, like like like insulating people's homes. that should have been happening under this government. right and actually being serious about about energy so that we so that we get to net zero and, and actually wind and solar are much , much cheaper than gas. but what i do worry about is, is, is that we're 20% in the polls. we need to vote for something and, and we don't want to just vote out to get out. the tories now , out to get out. the tories now, i think that the real problem

is, is particularly among the youngis is, is particularly among the young is the tories are going to stay at home because the tory party is the loser party. but actually, are we going to manage to get people to come out for labour? and what i really worry aboutis labour? and what i really worry about is a very is the election turnout . because what we need to turnout. because what we need to do, we need to enthuse people rather than play politics of, oh, well, you know, we can't have this because the tories might attack us is i think we need to say this is what we stand for. and it's fantastic, actually . and the whole green actually. and the whole green stuff was about was , was really, stuff was about was, was really, really exciting and exciting . really exciting and exciting. >> it's not exciting. it's a disaster . >> it's not exciting. it's a disaster. this net >> it's not exciting. it's a disaster . this net zero >> it's not exciting. it's a disaster. this net zero ideal ag is ruining our energy infrastructure. look you had the conservative energy minister back in 2017. at the time, little really blowing up a coal power station. i mean, the coal , power station. i mean, the coal, oil, gas and nuclear have to be the mainstays of our national

grid. we can't go to wind and solar. the wind doesn't produce any energy. when the wind stops blowing, it needs 100% backup from nuclear and from coal and gas and oil. the solar panels will they they produce very little energy at night time or when the sun stops shining. and so, you know, you simply cannot run an industrial economy off wind and solar power. and this net zero is absolute nonsense. and it's based on the idea that carbon dioxide is harmful, which it's not. it's completely ridiculous. >> look, we've got a real problem here is carbon dioxide is not we've got a real problem here. we have got a real problem here. we have got a real problem here that the temperature is rising , that actually we have to rising, that actually we have to do something to bring it down. and it's all very we cannot be like ostriches and put our head in the sand and go, it's not going to happen so that we can do it slowly. actually seriously. i mean, most of the wind, um, the, the wind turbines are offshore where there's a

fantastic amount of , of wind. it fantastic amount of, of wind. it is the cheapest way to do energy. it's the best way to do energy. it's the best way to do energy. and we really we really need to think hard about energy. and you haven't even said i mean, you know, retrofitting homes are really saves a lot of money. and governments job. >> it's the people's job. money. and governments job. >> it's the people'sjob. if >> it's the people's job. if people want to insulate their homes, it's people's job. >> so council, council flats. right. so people so this is for the rich £10 or more on that. no. it's really important that we bring our energy bills down. right. and actually the best way to do it is, is, is to insulate people's homes. and one of the first things the conservatives did when they got in in 2010 is to say to the house builders, you don't have to insulate . it you don't have to insulate. it is incredible that that actually we were building homes that were insulated and now much more expensively, we have to retrofit it. i talk as somebody who's just replacing all my windows. it makes an incredible amount of difference. it is incredibly

expensive. i can afford it. most people can't. >> it's mostly older houses that need retrofitting . if you say need retrofitting. if you say they need retrofitting, but it's up to landlords and owners of housesif up to landlords and owners of houses if they want to do that. but the best bring our but the best way to bring our energy prices down is to invest in coal , oil, energy prices down is to invest in coal, oil, nuclear and gas because they are the cheapest forms of energy . they they have forms of energy. they they have gone up, they spiked up in 2021 and 2022. part of that was because of the insanity of trying to go to war with russia. and giving weapons to ukraine and, uh, stoking up geopolitical instability in that area . but instability in that area. but they've come down again now , the they've come down again now, the gas price per thum is the same as what it was in 2019 or before. so actually that's the way to provide houses with cheaper energy . um, not let's cheaper energy. um, not let's let's have lots and lots of energy. >> lots of it go through. let's have lots of energy. let's, let's not try. let's not try and actually make homes that are warmer. no, no , that would be warmer. no, no, that would be boring. i mean, presumably you

don't think there's a climate crisis . you don't believe that crisis. you don't believe that the temperatures are rising. this is not an anthropogenic climate crisis. >> temperatures have been rising. they've risen about 0.7 c since the start of the industrial revolution. >> dave, david, david, look, i'm saying they have risen, but that was i'm talking about that was after the mini ice age. >> i'm talking about this where temperatures extremely low temperatures were extremely low century. we had the century. anyway, we had the warmest this century. the global average temperatures have stayed the same, and they've actually dipped slightly. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> is no absolutely not true. >> last year was the warmest with carbon dioxide. last year you're completely just you change your argument all the time. last year was the warmest last year was the warmest year on record. we have to do something about the climate crisis . i something about the climate crisis. i mean, we've something about the climate crisis . i mean, we've got to something about the climate crisis. i mean, we've got to . crisis. i mean, we've got to. one of the things is to use less energy. >> i just think it was lots of energy in this studio right now. i can tell you that much. i mean, so the one thing sir keir starmer has done with this announcement is created a very

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sunday mornings from 930 on gb news . welcome news. welcome back at gb news sunday with me dawn neesom on your tv , online and on digital radio. >> now lots of you woke up my glasses on look more intelligent. i need to read your emails out. lots of you been getting in touch. sending your thoughts on sunday thoughts in on this sunday afternoon, so please keep them coming. gb views at gb news. really simple. the chemical attack. that's attack. um is the one that's really getting you talking. um, steve afternoon . steve steve good afternoon. steve says this attacker is someone this clapham attacker is someone who should have been removed as soon as his conviction was made because he's a convicted sex attacker. let's not forget that. and not allowed to and absolutely not allowed to seek a third seek leave to remain for a third time. need to change the law. time. we need to change the law. hallelujah to that and hallelujah to that one. um, and david, i think this is a point that a lot of us are coming to

now, this conclusion, um, this man being hidden by man is clearly being hidden by someone, they would someone, or they would have found he's got very, found him by now. he's got very, very face. um, and, very disfigured face. um, and, andrew, this is a point i always make with anything goes wrong, they work. they? there they never work. do they? there are two cctv are cctv cameras, two ct, cctv cameras to every person in london. we should have found him by now. but you know what, andrew? they never work when you need them to do. they? and our, um. john on the same subject says, please tell your panel that's used to. by the way, cctv is not immediately available to the . they have to gather the police. they have to gather it from stores or wherever and then the contents before then verify the contents before circulating to public. circulating it to public. therefore is more difficult than expected him . it's been therefore is more difficult than e)longed him . it's been therefore is more difficult than e)long time, him . it's been therefore is more difficult than e)long time, though. . it's been therefore is more difficult than e)long time, though. now been therefore is more difficult than e) long time, though. now you n a long time, though. now you would thought that actually would have thought that actually we have actually a we would have actually been a bit someone's hiding . bit closer. someone's hiding. any case. let's move on to. oh, yeah, war . any case. let's move on to. oh, yeah, war. um, we're not ready for it. evidently a year long review by commons defence review by the commons defence committee found that the government never achieve government will never achieve war fighting or strategic readiness without urgent reforms to reverse a recruitment crisis

and dramatic boost. britain's stockpile of weapons and ammunition. join me now to explain what on earth is going on. here is former head of counter—terrorism mod major general chip chapman . chip, general chip chapman. chip, thank you so much for joining general chip chapman. chip, thank you so much forjoining me this afternoon. i'm sorry , this this afternoon. i'm sorry, this this afternoon. i'm sorry, this this report, which has been a yearin this report, which has been a year in the making, is terrifying , knowing we don't terrifying, knowing we don't actually appear to have armed forces that are anywhere near good for the job. what's going on? >> it is pretty terrifying, but you've got to really ask yourself for questions and answer those to see how bad it is. >> the first one is when. when do we see russia? if that's the persistent threat being, uh, you know, going to be going war know, going to be going to war with them a couple of weeks ago, we rob bauer from we had admiral rob bauer from nato don't assume we'll nato saying, don't assume we'll be at peace for the next 20 years. this report from the telegraph said it gives you three years. where would presumably be in eastern europe, the baltics . this could be, uh, the baltics. this could be, uh, poland . but that assumes, of poland. but that assumes, of course, russia are course, that russia are successful in ukraine, and no

one really expects that to be over until at least 2020, 25. uh, the why would be that? politics is really broken down between nato and um, and russia and of course , an attack on one and of course, an attack on one is an attack on all but the key thing which this really shows us is the with what and the with what is in serious um, disorder. really. so it's really probably worse from the army's perspective in terms of the outflow of the military is greater than the inflow and that means you lose a lot of specialised options as you go up the sort of chain of command. uh, it's also pretty bad in the navy, of course , because the navy, of course, because the carrier part . of the reason the carrier part. of the reason the carrier, uh, has caveats on its on its deployment. if it were to deploy to the, uh, gulf of aden, for example, there's there are no royal fleet auxiliary uh, vessels available , which means vessels available, which means that it can't be sustained at sea. it would have to go and go away from the operational area

into port visits , so we can do into port visits, so we can do the tasks that we are allocated at the moment within the nato framework work. but our fight tonight, capable guilty across most of the services is pretty diminished . diminished. >> why chip is there this problem? the mod say that only five personnel are recruited for every eight that leave and recruitment levels. as you said, it's fallen across all the forces as um infantry training centre in catterick has worse levels of recruitment. in five years. and this is i mean, you know, the last recruitment post i remember was this diversity drive where they, you know, ticking all the right boxes, but no one's, no one's joining up. why are we not joining up anymore . anymore. >> well, i think there's a number of factors. firstly, you know, generation z are different than the former generations. and if we look back to the september 23rd yougov polls, for example , 23rd yougov polls, for example, when the first notions of national service came in, only 10% of that cohort said that they would, uh, accept national

service. and seven 8% were opposed. now, 10% of uh is 10% of 749,000. so if the country really were at, uh , you know, really were at, uh, you know, war with russia and you extrapolated 75,000 for each age group from 18 onwards, that would still give you a coherent force of which you could regenerate the, the force. but of course, there's other things. the offer is not deemed to be as good. that is the pay is not deemed to be good. and people have been in the last few years supporting the government in military aid to the civil authority task. you know, during the covid period and are seeing their sort of peers in other pubuc their sort of peers in other public services potentially getting more than them. uh, the accommodation always appears in the, uh, in the press as being, um, deficient isn't. and all those things play into the pubuc those things play into the public perspective of the, uh, the armed forces being slightly broken. i have to say, the counter to that is it's still, you know, exciting, full of opportunity. uh, and we have this paradox when you when you're campaigning in places

like , people sign up like afghanistan, people sign up because a lot of people actually like the kind of adventure of war, which is, you know, terrible and they don't necessarily know that, uh, but people when there's people do sign up when there's that threat you. if that real threat to you. and if there threat , uh, intent there is this threat, uh, intent and opportunity from russia and i think would sign i think people would sign up, they see because they just don't see it because we're geographically separated by from moscow . by 1700 miles from moscow. >> we're running out of time. unfortunately, i could talk to you for all day on this one. um, just very, very quickly, which situation worries you more? the situation worries you more? the situation middle east situation in the middle east or the russia at the the situation with russia at the moment ? moment? >> um, neither in terms of i don't think world war iii is coming up either of those. i see the middle east as a persistent, uh, twilight war, which is exacerbated by israel and gaza. uh, one of the notions on russia is you never open a second front, and they would have to wrap up in a significant, uh, strategic victory. ukraine or they would be in a position to threaten nato. so neither of them is an imminent threat at them is an imminent threat at the moment. neither do i see

world war iii the moment. neither do i see world war ii! from both of those theatres . world war ii! from both of those the thank and this is why >> thank you. and this is why i could talk to you all afternoon. very reassuring. chip, thank you very much. that's, uh, major general there, general chip chapman there, joining sunday joining us on a sunday afternoon. iii joining us on a sunday afterimminent, iii joining us on a sunday afterimminent, which iii joining us on a sunday afterimminent, which is iii isn't imminent, which is actually good news, isn't actually quite good news, isn't it? all right, let's find out what our wonderful panel what our our wonderful panel make one. going to make of this one. i'm going to come you first on this one. come to you first on this one. that reassuring. that was quite reassuring. i mean, does know what he's mean, chip does know what he's talking about. um, the fact that world iii isn't imminent is world war iii isn't imminent is a bit. fact that a reassuring bit. the fact that if was, we don't have any if it was, we don't have any armed forces all. by the armed forces at all. by the sounds of it. >> yeah. i mean, my >> yeah. i mean, all all my life, remember people saying, life, i remember people saying, you know, world iii is you know, world war iii is around the corner . and, you around the corner. and, you know, i was child , uh, know, when i was a child, uh, and, and young , we were in the and, and young, we were in the middle of the cold war and it went all, i mean, and i, i have to say, as a very young child, i was living in moscow. so, so where, you know, you, you understand, would what was going on. i mean, in those days, russia was seen as an aggressor and actually it wasn't i mean, it was it was that phoney thing.

but but now , now, i mean, we but but now, now, i mean, we have far more wars . we i mean, have far more wars. we i mean, you know, it goes on and on. but i mean, of course, we're not ready for it. britain couldn't fight anything alone. and it's crazy to think that we could and, um, and actually , we, you and, um, and actually, we, you know, wars are not the answer to anything, which is what the russians are finding out now, what do you think the problem here is, david, with with getting more people to join up? >> i think there's two things to say here. first of all, this conversation about this report is framed in terms of is being framed in terms of we're ready to go to war we're not ready to go to war with which i think is a with russia, which i think is a very, very dangerous way of framing this. there is an issue with our armed forces and not being able to recruit people. but when are using this but when people are using this to up the idea that we're to talk up the idea that we're going to be going to war with russia in the next few years, i think that's wrong. russia is not our enemy. it's a very good that you're, um, chip there said that you're, um, chip there said that on the, on the previous

that on on the, on the previous section, but yeah we need we need to establish that and stop talking about going to with talking about going to war with russia. in russia. the whole situation in ukraine can de—escalated ukraine can be de—escalated wound . if wound down, finished. if everyone the table and everyone got round the table and talked peace. but there is talked about peace. but there is an issue, obviously, with the decline in the armed forces in this country, people aren't going into the army as they used to do before. and i think there's reasons for that. there's two reasons for that. one whole army recruiting one is the whole army recruiting centre and operation has been completely dismantled. there used be army recruitment and, used to be army recruitment and, you front shops in in you know, front shops in in almost every town . and now almost every town. and now they've all gone. and so, so how do actually, you know, find do you actually, you know, find about joining the army. it's more difficult to do. um, and the is i think the the other thing is i think the army and the navy and the royal air the whole of the air force, the whole of the british gone, british military have gone, woke, they are more woke, you know, they are more concerned feminism , um, and concerned with feminism, um, and blm lgbt and wearing blm and lgbt and wearing rainbows than they are about getting strong masculine men and teaching them how to be more strong, stronger and more masculine. and that's how they're going to get people

don't go for all this woke stuff, strong and masculine is what you need from your british armed forces. >> scarlett, i'm going to have to your horses to get you to hold your horses strong masculine. bit i know strong and masculine. bit i know you've lot to say. um, but you've got a lot to say. um, but we're running out of time. unfortunately, watching we're running out of time. unfclistening, watching we're running out of time. unfclistening, gb watching we're running out of time. unfclistening, gb news hing we're running out of time. unfclistening, gb news sunday and listening to gb news sunday with me. dawn neesom plenty more coming today's uh coming up on today's show. uh former secretaries suella former home secretaries suella braverman dame priti patel braverman and dame priti patel have hit out at britain's churches for their alleged support for bogus asylum claims. are they right ? but first, let's are they right? but first, let's get those news headlines with aaron armstrong . aaron armstrong. >> very good afternoon to you . >> very good afternoon to you. it's 232 a police have offered a £20,000 reward for information that may lead to the arrest of a suspected chemical attacker. new footage has been released of abdul ezedi in a tesco store in north london on wednesday. police also have a better idea of his movements with cctv showing he left tower hill tube station in the east end just

after 9:30. that was after a woman who was known to as eddy and her two children were attacked . forensic tests have attacked. forensic tests have shown a concentrated corrosive substance was used, either liquid sodium hydroxide or carbonate , at the houthis have carbonate, at the houthis have been urged to stop their reckless attacks on shipping in the red sea following the latest uk us airstrikes in yemen, lord cameron, the foreign secretary, says the rebel group, which is backed by iran, has been given repeated warnings to end its campaign, which he says threatens the freedom of navigation and puts innocent lives at risk . 36 sites across lives at risk. 36 sites across 13 locations in yemen were targeted by coalition forces. the houthi rebels have vowed to respond . a man has been arrested respond. a man has been arrested on suspicion of dangerous dog offences following the death of a woman in essex, 68 year old esther martin was reportedly visited visiting her 11 year old grandson when she was attacked in jaywick. the two dogs were destroyed. experts are yet to confirm their breed . a 39 year

confirm their breed. a 39 year old man remains in custody and the king has been seen in public for the first time since leaving hospital. he was spotted smiling and waving at a crowd that had gathered at the entrance of saint mary magdalene church in sandringham . king charles was sandringham. king charles was discharged from hospital last monday after being treated for an enlarged prostate , and you an enlarged prostate, and you can get the latest gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen right now, or go to gb news. com slash alerts . to gb news. com slash alerts. >> thank you. aaron welcome back to gb news sunday with me. dawn neesom on your tv on line and on digital radio. now police hunting for clapham. suspect abdul ezedi are offering up to £20,000 for information leading to his arrest. former home secretary suella braverman and dame priti patel have hit out at britain's churches for their

alleged support for bogus asylum . um abdul ezedi is suspected of carrying out a chemical attack in clapham, was twice denied asylum before being allowed to stay after claiming a converted to islam earlier this morning. camilla tominey sat down with the former home secretary, suella braverman , and asked her suella braverman, and asked her about the ongoing situation . about the ongoing situation. here's what she had to say. >> case illustrates major failings and we need to wait for the review to confirm exactly what's gone wrong. and i think there are two elements here. there's the fact that we had a convicted sex offender who was allowed to stay in the country. convicted sex offender who was allcneedto stay in the country. convicted sex offender who was allc need to stay in the country. convicted sex offender who was allcneed to overhaul; country. convicted sex offender who was allc need to overhaul the untry. convicted sex offender who was allc need to overhaul the rules we need to overhaul the rules relating and secondly, relating to that. and secondly, i think the church has many answers , questions to answer answers, questions to answer about the role that they've played . played. >> well, interesting. there isn't it? now joining me is a gb news national reporter theo chikomba to bring us up to date on this story. theo, what's happening? >> yes. well as this manhunt nationwide manhunt picks up

pace, this afternoon, the metropolitan police have offered a reward of up to £20,000 for information leading to the arrest of abdul ezedi . now, this arrest of abdul ezedi. now, this is, of course, following the attack that took place on wednesday evening in the clapham area . now, today they have area. now, today they have released further footage from the last couple of days. the metropolitan police say he was last seen at the tower hill underground station, which is just around two and a half miles from here at new scotland yard, and they're urging if anybody has seen him, that they should call 999, if immediately they have described him as highly dangerous and they said you should not approach him, but instead call the police immediately. if you have seen him now in the last few days, there have been a reported sightings of him in places like, um, croydon and places in south london as well. now, just a bit of background about abdul ezedi . of background about abdul ezedi. um, he was convicted of a sex

attack a year after illegally entering the uk in 2016, and he was granted asylum after claiming he . had converted from claiming he. had converted from islam to christianity. and this has been confirmed by a priest saying he was wholly committed. now, in terms of the latest today, we've heard from the metropolitan police's commander , metropolitan police's commander, john saville, who confirmed that the liquid used in the attack on wednesday was a very strong, concentrated, corrosive substance, either liquid or sodium hydroxide or liquid sodium hydroxide or liquid sodium khalife . so that is sodium khalife. so that is a part of their ongoing investigation . and they're investigation. and they're trying to establish whether there are any links to the items which were found in the property in newcastle, where he resided. but the investigation is continuing . arguing following continuing. arguing following this reward, which has been offered this afternoon by the

metropolitan police . metropolitan police. >> that's theo chikomba they're bringing us up to date on the latest developments in this story at scotland yard. thank you joining us, you very much for joining us, theo. you very much for joining us, theo . um, now, the obviously , theo. um, now, the obviously, this this story is developing literally. so let's talk about the religious aspect of this story because it's a sunday isn't it. obviously. um, now this creature , i'm not going to this creature, i'm not going to use his name anymore. this creature was granted asylum because he was converted. i had converted to christian vanity, and it was only the church vouching for that fact. that meant he was granted asylum. um obviously it doesn't appear to be the case. scarlett, what do you make of the fact that the church seemed to have so much sway in this? i mean, we've got two former home secretaries come out and say they shouldn't be involved in these cases. >> um, well , involved in these cases. >> um, well, it's a problem, isn't it? because if you send a christian back , um, to a country christian back, um, to a country like afghanistan , um, you're r

like afghanistan, um, you're r you're sending them back to incredible problems. and so what what people are really saying is this guy wasn't really a christian because a christian couldn't have done this. i mean, i don't i don't think , and only i don't i don't think, and only a muslim could have done it. i actually think that the problem so it's a big problem because quite a lot of people come over and they don't even convert. and they say , the reason i'm running they say, the reason i'm running away is because i'm a christian. so what are we saying? are we going to start saying religion doesn't make a difference or aren't we? i mean, it's it the bad hard cases make bad laws to use this person to start saying we can't have the churches at all. we do have to understand and that that there is a real issue that christians are persecuted in other countries , persecuted in other countries, and therefore do we send them back or don't we? when they're

escaping and obviously once, uh , escaping and obviously once, uh, asylum seekers know this , um, asylum seekers know this, um, quite a few of them will say, well, i'm a christian too. how do you i mean , how do you police do you i mean, how do you police it? i think it's very, very difficult. and there is a real question about whether priests and vicars who are so desperate for people to convert that that they're suckers. we have had this problem before. >> it's not a new problem. we had the person who tried to or blew himself up at the entrance of liverpool women's hospital and also the thing that stabbed three people to death in a park in reading. both of those men claimed to have converted to christianity exactly the same as this case. what do you make of what's going on here? >> well, clearly their conversions are bogus, aren't they? and they're bogus asylum seekers, and they've probably come through a number of come here through a number of safe countries, and they shouldn't have been allowed shouldn't have even been allowed to shores of dover.

to land on the shores of dover. and where need to stop and that's where we need to stop this from happening. as i've said, many and we said, many, many times, and we need stop illegal military need to stop illegal military age coming the age men coming across the channel age men coming across the channel, landing in this country pushed france , and pushed them back to france, and then we wouldn't have this problem at all. but isn't problem at all. but it isn't surprising that are surprising that people are saying right things in order saying the right things in order to get to stay here, to be able to get to stay here, because can stay here, because if they can stay here, they're rewarded. they're rewarded with welfare, they're rewarded with welfare, they're rewarded hotel rooms. later rewarded with hotel rooms. later on, they get settled status and they work. so on. but they can work. and so on. but you have an awful lot of ngos you do have an awful lot of ngos who are deliberately training people with the words to say when they're in calais and in northern france, in order to be able to get to stay here and play able to get to stay here and play the system that is also a big problem and that is grossly irresponsible. so i would take issue with these ngos as well that are training people to come issue with these ngos as well that lies training people to come issue with these ngos as well that lie ,training people to come issue with these ngos as well that lie , anding people to come issue with these ngos as well that lie , and then aople to come issue with these ngos as well that lie , and then sole to come issue with these ngos as well that lie , and then so they come issue with these ngos as well that lie , and then so they came and lie, and then so they can stay and potentially go and commit crimes like this. >> it is interesting, scarlett, that the bishop of liverpool did say that, um, while while he has seen many people who are

claiming asylum convert, he hasn't seen any who have already got asylum . um, converge it does got asylum. um, converge it does make you think that this excuse is being used a lot. it does. >> but i do think that we have to be very careful to say that no christian person would behave like that, because people behave badly, whether they're christians , whether they're christians, whether they're muslims, whether they're people of no faith. so we don't know . of no faith. so we don't know. and but of course , as david and but of course, as david said, i mean, if you, you know, if you want to claim asylum and you know that saying you're a christian will do it, you do it right and so what i'm saying is, what are we what are we going to do about this? are we going to say we're not having it and that that you . can come over and you that you. can come over and you can say that you are a christian or you've converted and we'll still send you back or or are we? listen, i mean, if it is a really serious thing and i mean, there's no point in blaming ngos and things that is of and things like that is of course is , is can you let

course there is, is can you let me finish? david i let you say outrageous things without interrupting you. i what i think is that's outrageous. what i think is important is that we actually decide whether we're saying that being a christian is a good enough reason to stay . a good enough reason to stay. >> what have i said? that's outrageous. come on, let's go back to that. >> uh, the army needs masculine , >> uh, the army needs masculine, more masculine men . and not all more masculine men. and not all these dreadful women , right? these dreadful women, right? i mean, of course, that's outrageous. >> that's another. that's a that was another segment. but yeah, that's true actually. >> but you know, going back to this, it's not it's not true. >> it's not, it's you're absolutely recruitment. absolutely the recruitment. >> women in the >> we don't want women in the army. >> no. the recruitment crisis is mainly issue like young mainly an issue of like young men joining because they mainly an issue of like young merthe joining because they mainly an issue of like young merthe armyioining because they mainly an issue of like young merthe army as|ing because they mainly an issue of like young merthe army as beingecause they mainly an issue of like young merthe army as being too se they see the army as being too feminised and too woke. so we need to encourage them to see the see the armed the army, to see the armed forces being strong and forces as being strong and masculine. absolutely. that would go and would get more people to go and join army. but that join the army. but that was a whole different subject. it was no, it was outrageous i

no, it was outrageous and i didn't debate. no, it was outrageous and i did and ebate. no, it was outrageous and i did and to ate. no, it was outrageous and i did and to be fair, i mean , we >> and to be fair, i mean, we didn't you time to come didn't give you time to come back that because we ran back on that one because we ran out time. we had to go to out of time. we had to go to a break. but i mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. >> but to come back to this debate, i mean, it is some of the fault of the ngos. they are responsible, they are up and responsible, they are set up and they do get money from george soros this kind soros operations to do this kind of thing and to train people who want to this country want to come to this country illegally with the things illegally with the right things to be taken to say. they need to be taken to task, and they need to be stopped doing that and stopped from doing that and telling how the telling people how to play the system. because they're not playing straight bat and playing with a straight bat and this and it's not this is not fair, and it's not right to the people live in right to the people who live in this are affected this country, who are affected by who come over david, by people who come over david, who kind of who are doing these kind of crimes. >> what i'm saying is so what do you do you to say you want? do you want to say being christian isn't good being a christian isn't good enough? right. and we'll send you not? that i told you. >> i've told you what to do. push the boats back to france. no. out the ngo. come no. and sort out the ngo. come out of the echr so we can send deport people. >> who can you? we please >> who can you? can we please talk christianity? talk about christianity?

>> about christianity ? >> hold 7- >> hold on. 7 >> hold on. please let me finish . is saying if somebody comes over and says i am persecuted because i'm a christian, is that a good enough reason for them to stay? that's what i'm asking you. >> i think, unfortunately, you're not going to have time to answer it, though. we can't scarlett mccgwire prime last time. no, we have to cut you off in your prime. i hate doing this by the way. it's just brilliant debate going on here. well, there's lots more coming up on today's i'm out of today's show. i'm running out of time. the are under fire. time. the bbc are under fire. excuse as one of their excuse me? as one of their apprentice branded vile apprentice stars is branded vile and sexist for starting service to muslim brides abroad. and sexist for starting service to the lim brides abroad. and sexist for starting service to the bbc)rides abroad. and sexist for starting service to the bbc be es abroad. and sexist for starting service to the bbc be platforming should the bbc be platforming people ? such controversial, people? such controversial, controversial views . he also controversial views. he also said there was no such thing as a beautiful feminist, by the way. that and much more to way. all that and much more to come. i'm dawn neesom and you're watching gb watching and listening to gb news. britain's

>> you should maybe think about doing a 2024 calendar michelle dewberry, and i'm keeping you company right through until 7:00 this evening. gb news the people's . channel. people's. channel. >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me dawn neesom on tv, online and on digital radio. that's a great story. a star on the bbc's apprentice show , the bbc's apprentice show, doctor asif munaf is at the centre of a sexism storm after starting a service to find british muslim boy brides abroad. um, doctor munsif has faced a backlash and been branded vile for suggesting there is too much feminism in there is too much feminism in the uk. he also there is too much feminism in

the uk . he also commented that the uk. he also commented that he's never seen a beautiful feminist. uh, we have approached the bbc for a comment. however they have yet. no, no , we have they have yet. no, no, we have just got response in breaking news. even so, let's see what my panel make of this story. i'm going to come to scarlett first on this one, because she's a bit of a feminist. you might have spotted that already. scarlett. >> i just feel really sorry for a man like that who's so pathetic that he finds women like me threatening, right? that actually he wants to find people , passive women . i mean, because , passive women. i mean, because that's what we're talking about is, is it's not. you know, i mean, there are lots and lots of very quiet feminists who just believe that they're equal to men. i mean, that is all feminism is about and just about equality. >> absolutely . >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> i mean, that's all it is. and this man is so pathetic that he finds that threatening. honestly pathetic. >> david. well pathetic. >> david. well pathetic. >> actually, i disagree because there are different waves of feminism. the first wave feminism. the first wave feminism was about equality , feminism was about equality, that women have the right to

vote. women have the right to an education. have the right vote. women have the right to an ed run:ion. have the right vote. women have the right to an ed run a n. have the right vote. women have the right to an ed run a business, have the right vote. women have the right to an ed run a business, own; the right vote. women have the right to an ed run a business, own a:he right vote. women have the right to an ed run a business, own a home.|t to run a business, own a home. that's fantastic. but now we're up third feminism, which up to third wave feminism, which is and then fourth wave is me too. and then fourth wave feminism. that feminism. heaven knows what that is. whole metoo is. but this whole metoo movement has started is movement that has started is actually a cultural marxist ideology that says men are oppressive and women are victims of men. all men are bad, all men are rapists. we need to actually cut down all men and take over their positions of power and thatis their positions of power and that is very, very destructive. that's the modern iteration of feminism. but but what this guy is doing on the apprentice is basically not anything different to what many, many other people have done before. is setting up a dating service now. i mean, i wouldn't use it myself. i mean, it's a little seedy to be it's a little bit seedy to be honest, you know, if people honest, but you know, if people want to use that, if there's a market for it, muslim men in this wanting to meet this country wanting to meet muslim women in morocco, that's what do. you know, what they want to do. you know, they can do it. there's no law against it. >> i love men explaining to me what feminism is. love what feminism is. i just love it. i'm glad you've learnt

something. say that. can i say that because of that metoo was set up because of men actually taking advantage of women? very powerful men who, who, who, who would take advantage of women and say, you have to sleep with me to do this. somebody like harvey weinstein, i'm sure that you would not agree. you wouldn't want, uh , that you agree that want, uh, that you agree that harvey weinstein is a pervert. right? and weinstein is. and that's what metoo . that's what that's what metoo. that's what metoo is about. metoo is saying that it's happened over and over again and actually, i think a lot of women of my generation who did accept that sort of stuff also think that we were just too easy, right? and because it was just life, the problem. it was life. you got groped by men all the time with this is. >> yeah. harvey weinstein was terrible, of course appalling. and that knows that's why and that knows that that's why we was started pointing the we two was started pointing the finger at everybody that everyone who is a man is a suspect. they don't. that is the kind of cultural that kind of cultural ideology that

is being related by the metoo movement. >> please don't tell me, please . >> please don't tell me, please. fourth way women is please don't tell me. >> it's actually very damaging to society. i'm glad i can tell you because it's very good to, uh oh, it's very good for a man to explain feminism to a woman. well i mean, are you saying that i'm not allowed have an i'm not allowed to have an opinion because a man? you opinion because i'm a man? you see, this is the kind of danger of that attacks free speech. >> and i, as a woman, i'm going to have tell you to shut up. to have to tell you to shut up. i'm so sorry. you >> dawn. >> dawn. >> really sorry i didn't >> i'm really sorry i didn't want but we're want to do that. but we're running out of time. um, we have reached out for the bbc, and they have actually got back to us. a statement us. they sent us a statement from asif saying my from doctor asif saying that my coaching service aimed at the coaching service is aimed at the specific demographic divorced specific demographic of divorced practising not practising muslim men. i do not offer for men to offer a service for men to travel find a wife. rather, travel to find a wife. rather, my job as a coach is to let them know an option. blimey know this is an option. blimey um, that's it from um, right. okay, that's it from me but stay tuned because me today, but stay tuned because the lovely nana a great feminist , is up next. nana, what's on your show? did you just call me a feminist?

>> i think i'd label >> i don't think i'd label myself oh god, don't myself as that. oh god, i don't think i know you start. >> what's up? right? >> what's up? right? >> but listen. coming on >> but listen. so coming up on my we'll be talking about my show, we'll be talking about whether the uk can actually be taken military taken seriously as a military force, that force, because we've heard that treads where missiles treads are stored where missiles should don't have should be stored. we don't have enough personnel in our armed forces, going be forces, so we're going to be looking at that. >> plus, i heard you chatting about apprentice about the apprentice for my mystery about the apprentice for my mysterwas actually the >> he was actually the apprentice winner in 2015, so he will live in the studio and will be live in the studio and loads so tuned. loads more, so stay tuned. that's coming up. >> brilliant. okay. thank you so much. don't go too far. up next, you've been watching and listening to gb news thunder with me. dawn neesom, thank you so much forjoining me this so much for joining me this afternoon. go anywhere afternoon. don't go anywhere though. next. uh, though. none is up next. uh, just look at the weather just have a look at the weather first and have a lovely weekend. people see you soon. thank you. >> like things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boilers. sponsors of up. boxed boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met sunshine is in met office. sunshine is in relatively short supply across

much of the uk today, and it's due these moist southwesterly due to these moist southwesterly winds filtering around this area of filtering in a of high pressure filtering in a lot of cloud from the atlantic. so misty and murky around some coastal there coastal areas. but there are a few brighter breaks around for some central eastern areas, and there will some clearer there will be some clearer spells well. a very spells overnight as well. a very miserable come though, miserable night to come though, for with heavy for western scotland, with heavy and rainfall right and persistent rainfall right throughout whole night . mild throughout the whole night. mild for of us underneath all for most of us underneath all this cloud, generally temperatures around 7 to 9 c, but a touch of frost is possible across the far north, where we hold on slightly colder air, and where that rain band pushes into the colder air ahead of it. we could see some snow, at least over the hills of the highlands, caithness, perhaps even into orkney during monday as well. so very though western very wet though for western scotland, 170mm of rain potentially building up in a few spots by the end of the day. some localised disruption is possible. cloudy elsewhere, with outbreaks of rain. patchy drizzle around at times. again, a few brighter slots possible,

but another mild one for all of us. temperatures around 10 to 12 c. tuesday. the rain will 12 c. on tuesday. the rain will eventually clear western eventually clear from western scotland and start pushing its way northern way further southwards. northern ireland, northern england, maybe even hill snow over even seeing some hill snow over the pennines, mourne the pennines, the mourne mountains as well. cloudy, blustery of that, blustery to the south of that, but cold air behind that but the cold air behind that weather will to sink weather front will start to sink its way southward during the rest the week, filtering to rest of the week, filtering to more by by that warm more areas by by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

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