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your latest news headlines. >> good afternoon to you. it's 3:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. a reward of £20,000 is being offered for information that may lead to the arrest of the suspect in the clapham chemical attack. new footage has been released of abdul ezedi in a tesco store in north london on wednesday. police also have a better idea of his movements with cctv showing he left the tower hill tube station in the east end just after 9:30. that was after a woman who was known to ozzetti and her two children were attacked . forensic tests were attacked. forensic tests have shown a concentrated corrosive substance was used. either liquid sodium hydroxide or carbonate. former met police officer norman brennan believes time is against azeri, who also has a significant wound on his face. >> he's in severe pain. um, i would suggest sepsis or something like that. is very likely to kick in because when you have acid, um, injuries , you

you have acid, um, injuries, you need immediate emergency treatment. well, we're four days on now . he's got quite on now. he's got quite a horrific injury free. um, he's easily identifiable, but there are times where the police are looking for suspects, where they temporarily outwit us. that's why, um, the public have more eyes than the police. the police are doing all the background work . work. >> shadow minister sir chris bryant says serious questions need to be asked after azadi. who's from afghanistan, was granted asylum after twice being rejected . rejected. >> i do look at this horrific acid attack this week and i want to go . i'm sorry. i don't want to go. i'm sorry. i don't want to go. i'm sorry. i don't want to undermine the particular tribunal, but i have no idea if all the facts that we've been told from the papers are true, how on earth that person was granted asylum. so yes, of course, we've always got to look at the rules to make sure that fundamental ali, we, the british people safe . people are safe. >> the houthis have been urged to stop their reckless attacks

on the red sea on shipping in the red sea following latest us following the latest uk us airstrikes in yemen. lord cameron, the foreign secretary, says the rebel group, which is backed by iran, has been given repeated warnings to end its campaign, which he says threatens the freedom of navigation and puts innocent lives at risk. 36 sites across 13 locations in yemen were targeted by coalition forces. former defence minister tobias ellwood says britain was right to take further action. >> our economy and our security are symbiotically interconnected as we see in the red sea. if we don't protect those international shipping lanes, if we don't step forward with other nations, then our way of life is now challenged because of these errant nations taking advantage of our ever wobbly internal rules based order. britain does step up. that's who we are as a nation, and we need to start doing it again. >> the government's rwanda plan to deter illegal migrants from coming to the uk won't work, according to the former home secretary, suella braverman says

the prime minister didn't agree to her proposals to avoid upsetting certain groups of people. what we were proposing to the rwanda bill was to exclude individual claims. >> pretty much, uh, you know, totally me and then also prevent the strasbourg court from actually blocking flights from taking off. um, that would have been somewhat controversial amongst the international community, amongst, uh, certain sectors, the legal community for example. and i think that there's a sense that we don't want to upset certain groups . want to upset certain groups. >> a man's been arrested on suspicion of dangerous dog offences following the death of a woman in essex, 68 year old esther martin was reportedly visiting her 11 year old grandson when an she was attacked in jaywick . the two attacked in jaywick. the two dogs, thought to be xl bullies , dogs, thought to be xl bullies, have been destroyed. experts are yet to confirm the breed. a 39 year old man remains in custody .

year old man remains in custody. a further two people have been arrested in connection with the deaths of two teenagers in bristol, a 15 year old mason wrist and 16 year old max dixon were stabbed in the knowle west area last weekend . a 49 year old area last weekend. a 49 year old woman and a 14 year old boy have been arrested on suspicion of assisting offender . been arrested on suspicion of assisting offender. a been arrested on suspicion of assisting offender . a total assisting an offender. a total of 12 arrests have been made in connection with their deaths. three people been charged three people have been charged with . the mother of the with murder. the mother of the murdered teenager, brianna ghey, has called for a ban on social media apps for under 16 seconds to 15 year olds killed brianna ghey with a knife in cheshire last year. her mother says she'd like to see special phones for children restricted access children with restricted access to access to social media. an ad for inappropriate search terms to be flagged to parents. scarlett jenkinson, who was jailed on friday, watched videos of torture and murder before attacking brianna ghey and the king's been seen out and about for the first time since leaving hospital . he was spotted smiling hospital. he was spotted smiling and waving at a crowd that had gathered at the entrance of

saint mary magdalene church in sandringham . king charles was sandringham. king charles was discharged from hospital last monday after being treated for an enlarged prostate . you get an enlarged prostate. you get more on all of our stories with gb news alerts, and you can find those by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to our website, gb news. common alerts . website, gb news. common alerts. now it's back to . nana. now it's back to. nana. >> right. >> right. >> if you're just tuned in, welcome on board. it is fast approaching seven minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua before stuck akua now. before we get stuck into the clash over the next houn into the clash over the next hour, let me introduce you to my clashes that is gb news senior political commentator , nigel political commentator, nigel nelson. that's nice about nigel. and also political commentator and former conservative special adviser claire pearsall . adviser claire pearsall. >> right. >> right. >> so here's what else is coming up in the clash. is the uk right to back the us after

participating in strikes on the houthis last night alongside the americans? is britain right to be getting involved and after calls for further investment in our defence, can britain be taken seriously as a military power now? should you be able to change your gender after you die ? that is, of course, after labour mp charlotte nichols made headunes labour mp charlotte nichols made headlines today calling for allowing trans transgender people who are deceased to be legally remembered by the gender that they lived by and our religious grounds are legitimate reason for claiming asylum as abdul ezedi is right to remain in the uk comes under scrutiny, so should religion play any part of an asylum system ? and then do of an asylum system? and then do you agree with pay per mile as it's revealed? sadiq khan has the 150 million scheme charge to pay per the 150 million scheme charge to pay per mile? what do you think ? pay per mile? what do you think? and finally, should rugby be bannedin and finally, should rugby be banned in schools, academics warn that it could lead to dementia later on in life. but do parents and teachers need to stop being so soft ? that's stop being so soft? that's coming up in the next hour as

even coming up in the next hour as ever, tell me what you think of everything we're discussing. email views and news. com email gb views and gb news. com or me at . gb news. so it or tweet me at. gb news. so it isfime or tweet me at. gb news. so it is time for the clash. let's hope they argue they're husband and wife , huh? the uk has joined and wife, huh? the uk has joined the us once again in participating in joint strikes against the houthis in yemen, and all of this came after repeated warnings, with the foreign secretary saying that attacks in the red sea must stop uk and us joint strikes against houthis in yemen came after they'd been warned that all of this needs to stop labour mp chris bryant today called for 3% gdp spending on the uk's military budget, gdp spending on the uk's military budget , the recruitment military budget, the recruitment crisis and years of underinvestment. can the uk armed forces be taken seriously at all? well, joining me to discuss is a gb news political correspondent, katherine forster. uh, catherine. okay, so we hear that they are using, uh, lots of things for, for example,

a part of a ship instead of it being used for missiles. they've got treadmills in there. can we honestly be taken seriously and can us sort of like an can you give us sort of like an update on what exactly has happened? >> and yes. so this was the third round of joint military action against the houthi rebels in by the united in yemen, taken by the united kingdom and united states. kingdom and the united states. and it comes, of course , hot on and it comes, of course, hot on the heels of the action taken the heels of the action taken the day before by the united states in retaliation for the deaths a week or so ago , of the deaths a week or so ago, of the three american servicemen now , three american servicemen now, those strikes were 85 targets were hit in iraq and syria, as opposed to about 30 targets. also in the attacks in yemen last night. so those attacks led to iraq saying that the middle east is on the brink of the abyss. um, the grant grant shapps the defence secretary, saying that the action taken overnight is not an escalation . overnight is not an escalation. uh, lord cameron, the foreign

secretary , saying that urging secretary, saying that urging the houthis to stop what he calls their reckless attacks and saying that they had been given reports and warnings to do so . reports and warnings to do so. um, the houthis, for their part, seem to be pretty much unbowed. i would say they've responded. these attacks will not discourage yemeni forces and the nafion discourage yemeni forces and the nation from maintaining their support for palestine . the support for palestine. the aggressor strikes will not go un, un unanswered. and there, of course we have it because although these are in different parts of the middle east, this is absolutely linked to what has been happening since the atrocities of october the 7th, with, um, israel's war on hamas in gaza and what foreign secretary lord cameron is hoping is that some sort of ceasefire can be arranged to start reasonably soon. qatar is very much instrumental in this. the hopeisif much instrumental in this. the hope is if they can get a

ceasefire in gaza for six weeks or so, that that might ultimately lead to something longer terme. and if that happens, then they think there is the space for more stability to return to the rest of the region and the red sea in particular. and of course, why it matters to us back at home is that it's the these attacks on ships by the houthi rebels are sending the cost of shipping goods around the world through the roof , and ultimately that's the roof, and ultimately that's going to make goods more expensive for us back here at home. >> okay, catherine, thank you very much for that. that's katherine forster giving us an update on what's happening there right. well, let's welcome again update on what's happening there rigmy well, let's welcome again update on what's happening there rigmy clashes. 's welcome again update on what's happening there rigmy clashes. gb'elcome again update on what's happening there rigmy clashes. gb news e again update on what's happening there rigmy clashes. gb news senior1 to my clashes. gb news senior political commentator nigel to my clashes. gb news senior politicaland|mentator nigel to my clashes. gb news senior politicaland also tator nigel to my clashes. gb news senior politicaland also politicalel nelson. and also political commentator and former conservative special adviser. claire pearsall, right , clare. claire pearsall, right, clare. well, listen, there's all this thing going on with the houthis. i did listen earlier to david kirton talking to scarlett, and he was saying that, you know , he was saying that, you know, israel, they're overblown. response therefore, the houthis

are back . i don't think that the are back. i don't think that the houthis really care about palestine . fine. that's my view , palestine. fine. that's my view, do they? is this realistic? because they were they were hijacking ships and doing this all before any of this was happening. they were. >> and i think they're using the gaza israel conflict to their own advantage . they were always own advantage. they were always going to for something to going to look for something to pin their activities on and to get more action within the region, which is exactly what they're doing. >> and right, in the red >> and you're right, in the red sea, always seen those sea, we've always seen those kind of problems with either piracy or with hijacking of goods and services throughout the seas. >> so i think that, yes, it was inevitable that it was going to happen. i think gaza has been the catalyst for it. and we are quite right to go in there behind the us and try and make this stop. >> do you think , nigel, what do >> do you think, nigel, what do you think this? the you think about this? the houthis, first of all, do houthis, first of all, they do believe they care about palestine do you think palestine or do you think they're just sort of jumping on a bandwagon? >> do think they >> well, yes, i do think they care about palestine. well, i think the whole middle east

does, the houthis. yes. does, because the houthis. yes. i think that the that i mean, i think that the that all muslim nations in the middle east, problem with east, um, have a problem with the there isn't there the fact that there isn't there aren't states. israel and aren't two states. israel and palestine. so, yes , they do now palestine. so, yes, they do now how much they do is obviously a big question. if we get a ceasefire in gaza , for which ceasefire in gaza, for which roberts is on the cusp of is not there yet, but it seems to be almost there if that happens , almost there if that happens, the houthis can prove how much they care by stopping attacking ships in the red sea because the two things, if the two things are linked, that's when they stop. >> they were doing this before, though. the houthis were attacking ships in the shipping lanes well before. that's right. >> my point basically >> and then my point basically is that if the houthis to is that if the houthis want to keep their word and are keep to their word and are saying they will stop if saying that they will stop if there proper ceasefire and there is a proper ceasefire and humanitarian aid can get into gaza, they can keep their word and show us that they stop. but yes, i mean that you can't take away the fact that all these things are linked without gaza, things are linked without gaza, things might not be as bad there. >> you i think in my view, i

think you can because they were doing beforehand. doing it beforehand. if there had doing this had not been doing this beforehand and they suddenly sort jumped into action sort of jumped into action when they was happening, they saw what was happening, then maybe take their then i would maybe take their claim that there. but claim seriously that there. but the are known to be the houthis are not known to be supportive in particular. >> well, the test will be if >> well, the big test will be if they stop when there's a ceasefire, ain't going ceasefire, they ain't going to stop, ceasefire, they ain't going to st0|and you say ceasefire, >> and when you say ceasefire, do you mean israel stop firing because let's let's remember that this, we were that before any of this, we were getting bombs over getting bombs being sent over from to and israel from gaza to israel and israel protected themselves. works. protected themselves. it works. that's reason if that's the only reason why, if it works, you're talking about a three a three month kind three month, a three month kind of break it. of break on it. >> it also means hamas from both sides, hamas has release sides, and hamas has to release the would be a the hostages. it would be a phase if all those phase release if all those negotiations, we understand them come to fruition. we will have at in at least a halt in the hostilities phase. >> so do think that >> and so and do you think that the can be taken seriously as the uk can be taken seriously as a military force? i mean, you've seen depletion of seen the depletion of ammunitions. you're hearing. i mean, even got mean, i don't even i've got a monologue later coming up to discuss i don't really discuss this. i don't really want out loud, but want to say it out loud, but everyone knows the situation this is in. we can't go

this country is in. we can't go to war. >> well, i think we can, >> well, and i think we can, except on the coattails of the americans, which is in fact what we do. so, um, we what we always do. so, um, clearly got we've got an clearly we've got we've got an army of 76,000. chinese, for army of 76,000. the chinese, for instance, end in instance, should we end up in conflict have got an conflict with them, have got an army 2 million. the americans army of 2 million. the americans have uh, more than have got have got, uh, more than 300,000 troops. i mean, they are bigger nations than we um, bigger nations than we are. um, yes , we can support the yes, we can support the americans if you if we need a debate about the armed forces, either we actually make them work. so, for instance , where we work. so, for instance, where we have a real strength as our four trident submarines, they can pop up anywhere. they've got 192 nuclear warheads on each one. um it's six times the power of hiroshima in each of those warheads. >> use those. i mean, no, but the point is , because that makes the point is, because that makes really. no, but that makes us international players . international players. >> um, if we decide is there anybody to man the ship, though? >> well, i'm sorry, that is the other problem because, i mean, for every for every five recruits, the army is getting or the armed forces are getting, eight seem to be leaving.

>> we do have a problem with recruitment. >> claire, do you think we can be taken seriously as military be taken seriously as a military force? be taken seriously as a military forcyes, do, do, think. >> yes, i do, i do, i think. yeah, absolutely. our forces are the in the world. and we go the best in the world. and we go out we train other out there and we train other countries in countries and their troops in how best to defend saudi arabia . how best to defend saudi arabia. >> yes. but yes, exactly . i'm >> yes. but yes, exactly. i'm not i just don't want to hear a bad word about it, because i think that we are all part of the problem. >> this is why there is a recruitment problem within the armed forces. yes, investment in it is one thing and that's what the government needs to accept. but also nobody sees it as a career anymore. i come from an armed forces background and it goes back for a very long time, and it was always seen as, this is do, this is your is what you do, this is your service to country. you service to your country. you enjoy career that it brings enjoy the career that it brings you. child attends an you. my child attends an exceptional military school. the duke york's royal military duke of york's royal military school. fantastic instilling discipline into young people, but also giving them a broad taste of what life can be like. and i think that once we start

turning around the discussion on what can the armed forces do for you, what can you do for the armed forces? then you start to turn around retention and turn around the retention and retraining that you've retraining issues that you've got currently. so i think that we need to stop putting it down. we invest in it. we need we need to invest in it. we need to see it as a career and we have some of the best trained people in the world. let's not forget that. >> well, i might have to slightly rewrite my monologue because slightly negative, because i was slightly negative, but i do agree with but i, i agree, i do agree with you, but do think that this you, but do you think that this could be argument for could almost be an argument for national though in national service, though in a way, funny because way, it's funny because this this comes from this conversation comes up from time i think that time to time, and i think that actually some kind of national service is not a bad thing, i really do. >> are passionate about >> if you are passionate about your country, then i think that your country, then i think that you should go and serve and you're laughing at me the you're laughing at me from the other but do. i think other end. but i do. i think i am, i think that it is a real benefit to a country. if you are willing to stand up and do something to protect it, if you feel your country not feel that your country is not working, why aren't you out working, then why aren't you out there something? there doing something?

>> almost like press >> but you almost like press gangs going into to try and recruit people for the armed forces. it should be forces. i mean, it should be voluntary. the best voluntary. we've got the best trained, forces in the trained, trained forces in the world because are world because they are a voluntary army and a navy and an air force. the of starting air force. the idea of starting national service again just wouldn't work. >> but why? why is there are some people who don't understand what a career in the armed forces can look like. they don't understand. army , understand. they have seen army, they for four they can volunteer for four years and find out of trench warfare . life is very difficult, warfare. life is very difficult, but they don't. >> volunteer. they can >> they can volunteer. they can volunteer it and it should volunteer for it and it should be a volunteer army. the whole point of national service was that back in the 50s was because we had a bit of an empire left. we lot a lot of holes we had a lot of a lot of holes in our armed forces around the world where we were policing. that was the reason for it. but the downside was taking 2 million, uh, young men out of the workforce , and we didn't do the workforce, and we didn't do post—war reconstruction properly. and now if we take another 2 million men and women

out of the workforce, we're not going to get economic growth . going to get economic growth. >> well, what about young people, though? i mean, they're not in the workforce yet. why would it have to be people who are working? i'm talking, you know, see national know, like i see national service people sort service as people who are sort of they get a sense of of 16 to 18. they get a sense of nationalism, national identity, patriotism. and there's a lot of youth running around holding zombies, they youth running around holding zombihow they youth running around holding zombihow to they youth running around holding zombihow to break they youth running around holding zombihow to break the they youth running around holding zombihow to break the rules. learn how to break the rules. no, they're allowed to no, no, they're not allowed to not want to do it needs to not want to do it. it needs to be compulsory like school. you have do a certain level of have to do a certain level of it, in places like israel. it, like in places like israel. >> if you if you're taking it from age group of 16 to 18, from the age group of 16 to 18, you're away people. then you're taking away people. then from levels to go from doing their a levels to go into, the armed forces. if into, into the armed forces. if they their a—levels, you they can do their a—levels, you take them of of take them out of out of university either suggestion university either or suggestion you alongside that, you can do it alongside that, why not instil some discipline into don't into people that perhaps don't have their lives? have any in their lives? >> don't have a direction >> they don't have a direction of where they want to go. they don't understand what armed don't understand what the armed forces bring , don't understand what the armed forces bring, and don't understand what the armed forces bring , and they don't forces can bring, and they don't understand what serving a country is. and as part country is. and working as part of team . of a team. >> they can find out by >> but they can find out by signing voluntary army. and

signing up voluntary army. and you can do it you can do it you can do it and you can do it and you can do it for years. >> they may not have ever been given that as an option. they may. some people have been may. well, some people have been written options written off, but the options out there, recruiting there, the army recruiting centres in high streets, i mean, it's there should they want it's all there should they want to they've closed to because they've been closed down. think that's a down. and i think that's a fundamental about down. and i think that's a funiarmed al about down. and i think that's a funiarmed forces about down. and i think that's a funiarmed forces go about down. and i think that's a funiarmed forces go into about the armed forces go into schools, colleges, community centres, actually into the communities say, communities themselves and say, this that and this is what they do that and try recruit people, which is fine. >> e then fine. >> then people can actually >> and then people can actually do it voluntarily. but the idea in century compel in the 21st century to compel people to carry arms and force them to march around a parade ground, seems to me that this is something we left. we left in the 1960s and quite rightly, in respect . respect. >> you're happy for them >> you're quite happy for them to themselves in the street to arm themselves in the street with knife or machete to arm themselves in the street viyou knife or machete to arm themselves in the street viyou know, knife or machete to arm themselves in the street viyou know, running or machete to arm themselves in the street viyou know, running around. chete , you know, running around. >> certainly not. but i don't think who actually pick >> certainly not. but i don't thi|zombie who actually pick >> certainly not. but i don't thi|zombie knives, actually pick >> certainly not. but i don't thi|zombie knives, um,|lly pick >> certainly not. but i don't thi|zombie knives, um, it/ pick up zombie knives, um, it actually our security actually enhances our security to show them how to shoot a gun. well, i think it might do, actually, nigel could. >> do you know what? think >> do you know what? i think that good point. there that has a good point. there that has a good point. there that actually the young

that actually some of the young people of don't have people are kind of don't have the sense of family, is the sense of family, which is why of them join gangs. why a lot of them join gangs. they haven't got the sense of national identity and pride of they haven't got the sense of natiicountry.|tity and pride of they haven't got the sense of natiicountry. and and pride of they haven't got the sense of natiicountry. and we've ide of they haven't got the sense of natiicountry. and we've got of this country. and we've got a lot of people who are people from immigrant, families from immigrant, uh, families who may sort of may not have the sort of patriotism that they, they could have country. have towards this country. i think they all do think that they should all do some service. that's some national service. that's what i think. what do you think? gb views and gb news. com tweet me news. but first, it's me at gb news. but first, it's time great british time for the great british giveaway and you could win £18,000 and totally tax free cash to spend exactly how you like fancy the like it. if you fancy the chance, here's how we chance, then here's how we wanted into 2020. wanted ten, 2024 into 2020. >> more with your chance to win £18,000 spend however £18,000 in cash to spend however you like, you really could be the next big winner of our great british giveaway. phil from west yorkshire won our last one. listen to his reaction when we gave him the news. i never won a pennyin gave him the news. i never won a penny in my life. >> well congrats nations, you've won £10,000. >> god . >> oh my god. >> oh my god. >> wow! >> wow! >> for your chance to win £18,000 in tax free cash . ten gb £18,000 in tax free cash. ten gb win to 84 902. text cost £2 plus

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monday to thursdays from 6:00 till 930. >> good afternoon 26 after three. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. it is the clash. i'm nana akua now. the labour mp charlotte nicholls has hit headlines today after saying that dead people should be able to change their gender. now she has called for the law to be changed. so trans gender people can have their gender changed posthumously in official records . so let me introduce you again to my clashes. gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and also political

commentator and former conservative special adviser claire pearsall nigel nelson. i'll start with you. >> yes, it shows respect . i >> yes, it shows respect. i think that it's absolutely right. you're able do in right. you're able to do this in certain circumstances . so what certain circumstances. so what charlotte nicholls is calling for is an amendment to the to the gender recognition act that is 20 years old. it does need a big, big overhaul because things are changing . but what it would are changing. but what it would mean is that if it was somebody i mean, the important thing is that she's, uh brianna ghey. uh st giles' constituency mp so it's obviously based on that case, but it means if you've got somebody who dies while they're going through the process of, say, getting a gender recognition certificate that, um, if they're going through the process living in their process of living in their acquired identity and have done so for a period of time, two years is the actual legal point where you can start, um, changing your official documents or if you leave a wish that that's the way you want to be

remembered. i think it's just respecting the person who has died. >> well, why can't you just be a transgender man or a transgender woman? why do you ? because, woman? why do you? because, well, what do you think , claire? well, what do you think, claire? >> yeah, i mean, i think this is nonsense because you're family, friends, loved ones. will remember you how you lived. so if you are a trans woman, for example, that's how they will remember you. >> i mean, that's the point, isn't it? that is the point. that's the whole point. >> asking for some change in legislation for somebody who has died. >> so there are official documents then show that they are acquired gender. documents then show that they are don't acquired gender. documents then show that they are don't understandander. documents then show that they are don't understand forer. documents then show that they are don't understand for what >> i don't understand for what reason because it isn't going to make any difference . make any difference. >> not not to them, but it might make it make a difference to the relatives. and respects their relatives. and it respects their wishes, it? wishes, doesn't it? >> because point what >> because the point what difference does make? difference does it make? >> would you want >> yeah. why would you want to do why change the do that? why change the legislation. like do legislation. but it's like to do something to make something which is going to make no material. >> but after we're dead, nothing makes when makes any difference. when the argument respect argument is that we respect the wishes people are dead, wishes of people who are dead, that's what wills are all about.

so on the basis of this, if they want to known by their their want to be known by their their new acquired gender dead, new to acquired gender dead, nigel. yeah, fine. but it means that on official documents, they'll always be remembered in they'll always be remembered in the gender they wanted they'll always be remembered in the remembered,they wanted they'll always be remembered in theremembered, remembered they'll always be remembered in the remembered, remembered for. be remembered, remembered for. >> if it's >> it's not as if it's a passport or a birth certificate that you're going to have to produce driving licence , a produce or driving licence, a physical that you're physical document that you're going to turn around a going to have to turn around a different way. >> the problem for >> what is the problem for everybody ? why, why if everybody else? why, why if somebody wishes this could, does it else at all? it involve anybody else at all? >> this argument onto an area which the country doesn't need, doesn't actually want . and when doesn't actually want. and when you speak to the majority trans community themselves, small change to live their lives. but what's it going to open up? because, you know full well with these kind of arguments in this kind arena, all it does is kind of arena, all it does is say, okay, so you allow that through, what is the next thing? what next allowance what is the next allowance that's to to made? that's going to have to be made? what next? what is the next? >> well, that's why i think the gender recognition act has to has to be overhaul called because is out of date.

because it is out of date. >> small minority of >> such a small minority of people. this is what the people. and this is what the argument think the argument is about. i think the families loved ones of those families and loved ones of those individuals have and individuals who have died and whichever they wish whichever gender that they wish to be referred to as , will still to be referred to as, will still do that. i'm not convinced that a piece of paper after somebody has died is going to make any difference, but it means that all this ever more they're registered on registered officially by the agenda that they wish to be known at. >> when the archaeologists dig up yeah, there'll be up the bones. yeah, there'll be the bones of a man or a boy rather than the bones of a girl. and so what's the point? >> well , the archaeology thing >> well, the archaeology thing is, is a very good one. um, archaeologists have been digging up bones of , archaeologists have been digging up bones of, um, iron age people and discovering they may have been three genders during the rna, which was the third one. the third one was warrior women. so you had women, men and warrior women. so, um , warrior warrior women. so, um, warrior woman would be what? well, a warrior woman would be someone. well, someone probably you actually. yeah. >> yes , but i'm still a woman.

>> yes, but i'm still a woman. so warrior woman , a warrior so warrior woman, a warrior woman would be somebody who was a separate gender. >> they'd be buried with chariot and sword. where women would tend to be buried with mirrors. they'd also have mirrors, too, but they made me a separate genden >> i'm still a woman. i'm still a woman. >> i'm just because we're focussed on on the 21st century definition what the definition of gender, what the archaeologists saying , the archaeologists are saying, the definition is the definition of gender is the reality of biology. >> that's what it should be. >> that's what it should be. >> no, that's the definition of sex. >> sex. >> no, no, no that's different. well, that's if you if you agree with that argument. but i don't agree gender and sex are agree that gender and sex are separate well as alongside separate so well as alongside there's of the population. >> we disagree because >> well we do disagree because i think is a there a think there is a there is a difference between biological sex cannot be changed. gender difference between biological sex well)t be changed. gender difference between biological sex well , be changed. gender difference between biological sex well, he changed. gender difference between biological sex well, i mean,|ged. gender difference between biological sex well, i mean, this gender difference between biological sex well, i mean, this isender can well, i mean, this is a fundamental difference of opinion with us as a whole, because i do think that this is absolute nonsense here. >> and you are either male or you're female. and so you don't believe in trans gender at all, that people can actually believe

that people can actually believe that people can define themselves. but i don't think you need to start going around saying that a trans woman can have a penis. you know, women can have penis. but the law this officially she can. >> this is the official position in this country. >> she can't because an adult human female, that's a woman . so human female, that's a woman. so let's make this into let's not make this into anything else. and i just think it opens the floodgates. if you start around with one start messing around with one part gender recognition part of the gender recognition act, start unintended act, you start the unintended consequences of it are enormous. we don't necessarily know what they are. they come up and you know that as as well as i do when you're looking at legislation, always an unintended consequence. legislation, always an uni no, ded consequence. legislation, always an uni no, ied consequence. legislation, always an uni no, i appreciate ence. legislation, always an uni no, i appreciate that. that's >> no, i appreciate that. that's why you to very why you have to do it very carefully think it carefully and why i think it needs an overhaul, because the gender recognition itself gender recognition act itself has unintended consequences. >> it's caused bit of >> it's caused a bit of a dilemma, and it's caused a mess. and well, one of the unintended consequences nicola sturgeon. consequences is nicola sturgeon. so i don't know whether i'm worried it. what you worried about it. what do you think? vaiews@gbnews.uk .com or tweet at gb news. this is gb

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sunday mornings from 930 on gb news . news. >> welcome back. if you've just tuned in, where have you been ? tuned in, where have you been? this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . it is time for the clash. akua. it is time for the clash. onto our next subject as police continue their national manhunt for chemical attack, suspect abdul ezedi debate is raging over whether the conversion to christianity was legitimate and whether it is legitimate grounds for granting leave to remain in the uk. but the 35 year old convicted sex offender has had his application for asylum rejected twice before . he then rejected twice before. he then converted to christianity and then his asylum was granted . and then his asylum was granted. and speaking earlier on, gb news former home secretary suella braverman had this to say about the church's involvement at the straits major failings. >> and we need to wait for the review to confirm exactly what's gone wrong. but i think there are two elements here. there's the fact that we had a convicted

sex offender who was allowed to stay in the country. we need to overhaul rules relating to overhaul the rules relating to that. secondly, i the that. and secondly, i think the church many answers, church has many answers, questions to answer about the role that they've played . role that they've played. >> well, joining me now is gb news national reporter theo chikomba. uh, theo , thank you chikomba. uh, theo, thank you for joining me. so talk to me forjoining me. so talk to me about this. what can you give us with regards to the case of abdul ezedi? is there an update ? abdul ezedi? is there an update? yes well, the pace is certainly picking up. following the suspect chemical attack on wednesday evening. now over the last couple of days, a number of agencies, including the metropolitan police, british transport police and the national crime agency have been working together to establish the whereabouts of abdul ezedi. now, of course , what we do know now, of course, what we do know is that on wednesday evening, nine people were injured . a 31 nine people were injured. a 31 year old woman , two young year old woman, two young children aged three and eight and then six other people, all

members of the public, three of them and three police officers who were attempting to help them. they were also taken to hospital . but what we do know at hospital. but what we do know at the moment is that a 31 year old woman has life changing injuries, and the injuries to the young children are not as severe as they first thought. now in the last couple of days, his whereabouts, it's been unclear where he is, but his last sighting was at tower hill underground station, which is just around two and a half miles from here at new scotland yard. and he was seen there at 933 in the evening . and of course, we the evening. and of course, we have seen that footage of police at a raid in newcastle at a property which they believed he was staying at now of course, we've had a bit of his background. he was convicted of a sex attack a year after entering the uk illegally at the back of a lorry, and he was

granted asylum after converting from islam to christianity . we from islam to christianity. we now, of course, there are many questions about how and why he was given that status. and of course his whereabouts. but of course his whereabouts. but of course , this story is picking up course, this story is picking up now , considering that £20,000 now, considering that £20,000 reward that has been offered this afternoon by the metropolitan police. thank you very much. that's theo chikomba outside scotland yard. so let's welcome again to michael asher's gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, and political commentator and former conservative special adviser claire clare . i'm going claire pearsall clare. i'm going to come to first. i want to to come to you first. i want to ask you then what do you think? are religious adequate are religious grounds adequate for claiming asylum? >> you you to look >> i think you you need to look at asylum claim is as a whole at an asylum claim is as a whole person . and i don't think person. and i don't think religion is the only reason you you grant somebody asylum. but it is it does have to be taken into consideration and you only have to look at the persecution of christians across the world to see what a massive problem

this is. some are like nigeria, for example, where where i have been the christians there are persecuted in obviously look at the rise in things like boko haram for example, taking children out of schools, burning down churches , and then you have down churches, and then you have to look at other populations that are persecuted , such as the that are persecuted, such as the rohingyas, over in myanmar. so it's not just one religion, necessarily. christianity is massively persecuted against throughout the middle east. there are some countries where it is safe and there are some countries where it aren't. but as i say, it should not be the only reason that you're looking at somebody's asylum claim and whether be granted. whether it should be granted. and is some real and i think there is some real questions for the home questions here for the home office to why was even office as to why he was even given asylum after a serious sex offence was committed in any case. so i think that that one needs to be looked at. the criminality aspect of it, i think, is far more important it. >> nigel nelson i'm sort of there won't be a clash between me and clare on this one,

because i tend to agree with all that. >> but the there are a lot of questions about whether abdul ezedi ever actually convert ezedi ever did actually convert to christianity that the sunday mirror has a story morning mirror has a story this morning which there's no which is saying that there's no record in the newcastle diocese where lived of anybody. um where he lived of anybody. um giving him giving him training or converting him or writing a letter to the home office. so at the moment, i think clare is absolutely right. in this particular case, the home office have questions to answer have the questions to answer for. if what evidence do for. um, if what evidence do they have? he converted to christians. he why did they they grant him asylum after a serious sex crime in general terms , sex crime in general terms, religion can be a reason to be given asylum. if you're likely to face death or persecution as a result of your religion in your home country, then of course, it must be grounds for asylum. do you think? >> well, what do you think? at home? gb views at gb news. com or tweet us at gb news. i will read some of those emails as soon get them. but it's now soon as i get them. but it's now been that sadiq khan is

been revealed that sadiq khan is investing £150 million on a secret the project secret technology. the project is charging motorists is capable of charging motorists a per mile road tax called a pay per mile road tax called project detroit, as they just call it project london. a series of freedom of information requests show 157 staff are now working solely on the scheme, with some engineers being paid more than 100 grand a year. so what do you think? do you agree with pay per mile? nigel nelson as a principle? >> yes. i mean taking taking aside london, i think you're right. by the way, project london better . right. by the way, project london better. um, london sounds much better. um, there are things you can do that a it's a way of actually meeting our target of net zero, which would be, um, because it might cut down people's mileage. and secondly, if it replaces certain things like petrol duty would go, could go down ulez could be scrapped, congestion charges could be scrapped, and the people who do the most miles pay the most, which seems to me not unreasonable in other other walks of life, the more you use something, the more you're likely to pay. so it means that

those people say the elderly elderly who don't do only do a few miles running down to the shops paying very little, and businesses pay an awful lot. >> they won't be running to the shops and they probably won't be able to afford the car to begin with anyway. clare. >> yeah, what is an utter nonsense? and project might nonsense? and project tax might be rare be a little bit more rare servant to it. it's just a money making scheme. sadiq khan hasn't got money to keep london got enough money to keep london running. so how is he going to get it. oh i know, let's go for the motoring. but it's not enough you've got the enough that you've got the congestion it's congestion charge. it's not enough got enough that you've got peninsulas and just the expansion of ulez on its own is, is a massive irritant for those who live on the borders of london. so to have pay per mile, that means that he is going to be in the knowledge of where you've been, what time you went, how long you are out there at the moment anyway, we've got cameras all over london this is another added level of surveillance on a motorist. and what about if you have a low polluting car? so i have a low

polluting car? so i have a low polluting car. well, why should i polluting car. well, why should l pay polluting car. well, why should i pay the same as then somebody who's got a high polluting car? i mean, it's just ridiculous. i don't think we were . we ask don't think we were. we ask taxing motorists any further than is already happening rather than is already happening rather than criticising specifically this london scheme. >> it is whether or not pay per mile is worth looking at. i mean, your part has been looking at it before that and they've decided that it was a really bad idea because you already pay road the road fund licence. >> you know that those are the things you could save on that you aren't going to tax you you aren't going to tax different things you? different things back, are you? it's going to add on top of it's just going to add on top of it. let's no, no, no, don't say that. you're going to reduce that. you're going to reduce that. something is going to be reduced full reduced because we know full well if there is a tax involved, it's just going to on top of it's just going to add on top of it. not going be it. it's not going to be instead, well, i'm being hopeful that tories won't quite that the tories won't be quite as that and might as bad as that and might actually other taxes a actually reduce other taxes as a result of this. >> france, if you drive >> in france, if you drive around you're paying road around there, you're paying road tolls is effectively tolls, which is effectively a pay by tolls, which is effectively a pay by mile mile way of doing

things. >> but a toll is different because that is for specific motorways . if you drive through motorways. if you drive through france, you can go on those motorways that are toll payments or, you choose to go or, or you can choose to go on the slower crowded. not very. yeah, absolutely. but that is your choice order to do it. your choice in order to do it. no forcing you to do it. no one's forcing you to do it. |, no one's forcing you to do it. i, you know, you and i live in a rural area. we have no choice but to have a car. so therefore your you're quite happy with the government's. but i do lot of government's. but i do a lot of mileage do because mileage than you do because you drive. do. so they're drive. because i do. so they're driving so therefore you'll be paying driving so therefore you'll be paying more and you think that is perfectly acceptable. there is perfectly acceptable. there is don't have public is no we don't have public transport. so that isn't even an option. you're suggesting option. and you're suggesting that happy just that you're quite happy just because to hit that you're quite happy just because t0 hit by because i'm going to get hit by it my passenger. or it that you're my passenger. or perhaps like walk perhaps you'd like to walk everywhere. mr nelson. perhaps you'd like to walk eveveryare. mr nelson. perhaps you'd like to walk evevery sneaky.1elson. perhaps you'd like to walk evevery sneaky. welln. perhaps you'd like to walk evevery sneaky. well what do you >> very sneaky. well what do you think? i'm with you, claire. i'm sorry, but it's another raid. it's another tax raid, isn't it? because what's happened is now too will be exempt too many people will be exempt from the congestion charge. and so charges so now, or the other charges that they've in place. so

that they've put in place. so now they want to find some other way of making money out of people. what is people. that's what this is about. see what we've about. but let's see what we've had emails in regard had some emails in with regard to forces. derek says to the armed forces. derek says best army in the world armies should be large, well equipped and take and prepared to take heavy losses. apply uk. losses. none apply to the uk. uh, dennis or denise even says totally with you nana get totally agree with you nana get the exercise respect and the kids to exercise respect and discipline conscription. discipline. conscription. conscription that. on conscription would do that. on the situation in the middle east, janet the idea that east, janet says the idea that all the countries in the middle east care about people of east care about the people of gaza nonsense . if gaza is plainly nonsense. if they cared, they would they truly cared, they would provide with their provide a safe haven with their own borders for the women and children. they'd open up the borders. hear what you're borders. i hear what you're saying. you would think saying. well, you would think so, a lot so, wouldn't you? but a lot of them their borders them closed their borders immediately. keep your immediately. but keep your emails coming. but emails and thoughts coming. but let's this rugby let's move on to this rugby being schools as a being played in schools as a form abuse in the game form of child abuse in the game should be banned among under 18 seconds, a has claimed, should be banned among under 18 secoacademics has claimed, should be banned among under 18 seco academics sayas claimed, should be banned among under 18 seco academics say thataimed, should be banned among under 18 seco academics say that the�*d, and academics say that the sport's are sport's organisers are effectively children to effectively grooming children to avoid impact of brain avoid the impact of brain injuries with playing injuries associated with playing the game. should rugby be the game. so should rugby be bannedin the game. so should rugby be banned in schools? claire pearsall no , no, no, it

pearsall no, no, no, it absolutely shouldn't . absolutely shouldn't. >> it's a team sport and we go on about the levels of obesity in young people in this country and then you look to banning sport as an option for dealing with another problem. and it kind of baffles me why do you think that rugby would be detrimental when for the majority of children's lives they play touch rugby, they don't start off by going into a scrum at the age of six, but that's the slowly , slowly. that's the slowly, slowly. >> that's how they do it, don't they? they do. they do rugby in a small bit of contact. then eventually the contact increases as that's how they yeah as you get. that's how they yeah it does. >> and there are certain things grooming. >> that's the point. >> that's the point. >> think this has taken those >> i think this has taken those words out all context. let's words out of all context. let's call it grooming or abuse. call it grooming or child abuse. is use call it grooming or child abuse. is words use call it grooming or child abuse. is words in use call it grooming or child abuse. is words in relation use call it grooming or child abuse. is words in relation to use those words in relation to a sport that some people clearly just don't like, think just don't like, i think is ridiculous. you shouldn't be ridiculous. and you shouldn't be able to do that to say that it's child think is really child abuse, i think is really offensive to those who suffer child abuse, i think is really offe|child to those who suffer child abuse, i think is really offe|child abuse.3 who suffer child abuse, i think is really offe|child abuse. this) suffer child abuse, i think is really

offe|child abuse. this is uffer child abuse, i think is really offe|child abuse. this is afer real child abuse. this is a sport. this is a game. it can be played safely. it relies upon some really good coaches, some really enthusiastic teachers and a lot of discipline instilled into kids so they know to how tackle properly. and we've all seen the sort of the big, you know, the six nations and stuff like that. and they do. they wear head guards for the majority. they have their ears taped up. there are certain things you can and can't do. the rules have changed enormously, andifs rules have changed enormously, and it's no more dangerous than i would football, where i would say football, where apparently headers with a apparently doing headers with a football is also in line to give you dementia. so if you take it down this route, you'd never play down this route, you'd never play sport ever again. play any sport ever again. >> they're talking about , >> but they're talking about, you quhe >> but they're talking about, you quite serious you know, they're quite serious about football as about hitting the football as well. that's that well. that's something that they're of it. nigel they're taking out of it. nigel what do think. they're taking out of it. nigel wh.yeah think. they're taking out of it. nigel wh.yeah mean|k. they're taking out of it. nigel wh.yeah mean i. they're taking out of it. nigel wh.yeah mean i don't think >> yeah i mean i don't think rugby should be banned at school. absolutely hated school. i absolutely hated it. i got of doing as soon as got out of doing it as soon as i possibly could. i to play a possibly could. i went to play a different sport and i think different sport and so i think that the to this is for that the answer to this is for the kids who want to play it. and provided it's done

responsibly and all the various ways claire just mentioned, ways that claire just mentioned, and fine . but and that is fine. but alternatives always alternatives should be always provided can take provided so you can take exercise in some other way . exercise in some other way. you've got sort of 1 in 7 kids being obese nowadays . it's being obese nowadays. it's important play sport important they play sport important. they play team sport to actually to help their health. so yes, yes to keeping rugby. but other alternatives out there you can do instead. >> well it's interesting because i interviewed a gentleman called matt king and he's passed away now , but he played rugby and he now, but he played rugby and he was one of those very unfortunate people that ended up with a, um, a spine, but at the top. so he couldn't move. yeah. sorry. from below his neck . and sorry. from below his neck. and he's passed away now. but but you know, he had to play that game. he was in the sport. and i think it's a lot of young people getting injured and getting injured in rugby. and that's problem. that's the problem. >> do you think that >> yeah i mean do you think that the rugby should be banned on that basis. what about boxing. um, as well. >> right. because you know, like a lot people now with a lot of people now with dementia things know

dementia and things that we know now things cause now that these things cause these kind of injuries, i think it needs to no, not not for these kind of injuries, i think it nfors to no, not not for these kind of injuries, i think it nfor children no, not not for these kind of injuries, i think it nfor children anyway. iot for not for children anyway. >> yeah. but i just think that you're going to remove the a team sport that can be played safely and can bring so much to people's lives, you're going to remove it on that chance. i mean, i appreciate that the dementia . but then i think dementia risk. but then i think you have that in in pretty much anything you look anything else. and if you look at there is an at most sports, there is an inherent risk. at most sports, there is an inh�*in nt risk. at most sports, there is an inh�*in what k. at most sports, there is an inh�*in what other sport do you >> in what other sport do you have risk. have a dementia risk. >> well, i mean, >> well, anything i mean, a horse riding i'm sorry. okay so if my parents used to watch me horse riding, right. >> you know, not everybody, but it's point . it's not the point. >> it's still a sport that you can if you're at school. >> sometimes they have to do that. listen we're going to carry on that debate carry on with that debate because here the next because you're here for the next half uh, listen, half hour anyway. uh, listen, stay tuned on gb news is on stay tuned here on gb news is on the way. i've got my digest. you know, really. know, it's my monologue, really. but it a digest now. but i'm calling it a digest now. slightly i've stolen slightly changed. i've stolen it. the title from it. uh, stolen the title from another uh, but yes, but another show. uh, but yes, but also the great british debate is on the way as well. asking,

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but a touch of frost is possible across the far north, where we hold on slightly colder air, and where that rain band pushes into the colder air ahead of it. we could see some snow, at least over the hills of the highlands, caithness, perhaps even into orkney as well . so orkney during monday as well. so very though for western very wet though for western scotland, 170mm of rain potentially building up in a few spots by the end of the day. some localised disruption is possible. cloudy elsewhere, with outbreaks of rain. patchy drizzle around at times. again, a few brighter slots possible, but another mild one for of but another mild one for all of us. temperatures around 10 to 12 c. on tuesday. the rain will eventually clear from western scotland and start pushing its way further southwards. northern ireland, england, maybe ireland, northern england, maybe even over even seeing some hill snow over the the mourne the pennines, the mourne mountains as well. cloudy, blustery the south that, blustery to the south of that, but air behind that but the cold air behind that weather front will to weather front will start to sink its during the its way southwards during the rest of the week, filtering to more areas by. >> things are heating >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on . gb news.

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good afternoon. it's 4:00. this is gbp news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes of the big topics hitting the headlines right now, this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours. be debating yours. we'll be debating discussing it. times we will discussing it. at times we will disagree, be disagree, but no one will be cancelled . so joining me today cancelled. so joining me today is author and broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. but before we get started , let's get your latest . news , let's get your latest. news good afternoon. >> it's 4:00. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. our top stories this hour. a £20,000 reward is being offered for information that may lead to the arrest of a suspected chemical attacker. new video has been released of abdul ezedi in a tesco store in north

london on wednesday. police say his last known movements show that he left tower hill tube station in the east end just after 9:30 that evening. that was after a woman who was known to azadi and her two children were attacked . forensic tests were attacked. forensic tests have shown that a concentrated, corrosive substance was used either liquid sodium hydroxide or carbonate. former met police officer norman brennan believes time is against azadi, who also has a significant wound on his face. >> he's in severe pain. um, i would suggest sepsis or something like that. is very likely to kick in because when you have acid, um, injured his you have acid, um, injured his you need immediate emergent treatment. well, we're four days on now. he's got quite horrific injury . um, on now. he's got quite horrific injury. um, he's easily identifiable . but there are identifiable. but there are times where the police are looking for suspects , where they looking for suspects, where they temporarily outwit us. that's why , um, the public have more

why, um, the public have more eyes than the police. the police are doing all the background work as well. >> shadow minister sir chris bryant says that serious questions need to be asked. after azadi was granted asylum. despite being convicted of sexual offences . sexual offences. >> i do look at this horrific acid attack this week and i want to go. i'm sorry. i don't want to go. i'm sorry. i don't want to undermine the particular tribunal, but i have no idea where if all the facts that we've been told from the papers are true, how on earth that person was granted asylum? so yes, of course, we've always got to look at the rules to make sure that fundamentally we, the british people, are safe . british people, are safe. >> in other news, the houthis have been urged to stop their reckless attacks on shipping in the red sea following the latest uk airstrike in yemen. lord uk us airstrike in yemen. lord cameron says the rebel group, which is backed by iran, has been given repeated warnings to end its campaign, which he says threatens the freedom of navigation and puts innocent lives at risk. 36 sites across

13 locations in yemen were targeted by coalition forces . targeted by coalition forces. former defence minister tobias ellwood says britain was right to take further action. >> our economy and our security are symbiotically interconnect . are symbiotically interconnect. as we see in the red sea if we don't protect those international shipping lanes, if we don't step forward with other nations, then our way of life is now challenged because of these errant nations taking advantage of our ever wobbly international rules based order. britain does step up. that's who we are. as a nation, and we need to start doing it again. >> the government's rwanda plan to deter illegal migrants from coming to the united kingdom won't work, according to the former home secretary suella braverman, saying that the prime minister did not agree to her tougher proposals to avoid upsetting certain groups . upsetting certain groups. >> what we were proposing to the rwanda bill was to exclude sued individual claims , pretty much, individual claims, pretty much, uh , you know, totally. and then

uh, you know, totally. and then also prevent the strasbourg court from actually blocking flights from taking off. um, that would have been somewhat controversial amongst the international community, amongst , uh, certain sectors. the legal community, for example, and i think that there's a sense that we don't want to upset certain groups . groups. >> a man has been arrested on suspicion of dangerous dog offences following the death of a woman in essex. offences following the death of a woman in essex . 68 year old a woman in essex. 68 year old esther martin was reportedly visiting her 11 year old grandson when she was attacked in jaywick, the two dogs, thought to be xl bullies , were thought to be xl bullies, were destroyed. experts are yet to confirm their breed . a 39 year confirm their breed. a 39 year old man remains in custody. confirm their breed. a 39 year old man remains in custody . a old man remains in custody. a further two people have been arrested in connection with the deaths of two teenagers in bristol . a 15 year old mason bristol. a 15 year old mason wrist and 16 year old max dixon was stabbed in the knowle west area last weekend. a 49 year old

woman and a 14 year old boy have been arrested on suspicion of assisting an offender. a total of 12 people have been arrested in connection with their deaths. three have been charged with murder . the three have been charged with murder. the mother of murdered teenager brianna ghey lee has called for a ban on social media apps for under 16 year olds. 215 year olds killed brianna with a knife in cheshire last year. her mother says she wants to see special phones for children with restricted access to social media apps , or for inappropriate media apps, or for inappropriate search terms to be flagged to parents. scarlett jenkinson, who was jailed on friday, watched videos of torture and murder onune videos of torture and murder online before attacking brianna . online before attacking brianna. and the king, has been seen in pubuc and the king, has been seen in public for the first time since leaving hospital . he was spotted leaving hospital. he was spotted smiling and waving at a crowd gathered at saint mary's magdalene church in sandringham. king charles was discharged from hospital last monday after being treated for an enlarged prostate

. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts now back to . nana. back to. nana. >> thank you ray, if you just tuned in. >> welcome. it's fast approaching seven minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv onune 4:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i am nana akua. i like to call this one a sleep at the wheel . i this one a sleep at the wheel. i don't even want to say this out loud, just in case i diminish. this country's standing in the world, but it turns out that our armed forces are hollowed out over stretched, and in need of a major shake up. well, that's what a year long review reported in the telegraph has pointed out. it stated that the government will never achieve warfighting or strategic readiness without urgent reforms to reverse a recruitment crisis and dramatically boost britain's

stockpile of weapons and ammunition . putin must be ammunition. putin must be laughing at the west whilst we talk about his potemkin army. what about ours? for every eight people that leave our armed forces, only five join. we failed to meet our recruitment targets. even when people do join, many drop out due to injury or choice and for those that don't that stay on. it doesn't sound great. between 2015 to 2023, the ministry of defence figures showed that at least 265 67 instructors at training centres were charged with abuse as and we've neglected ammunition, supplies with treadmills in place of missiles . on top of with treadmills in place of missiles. on top of all that, we are our own worst enemy. you think that because we're an island which gives a strategic advantage that we would be best placed to police our borders so we don't import terror. placed to police our borders so we don't import terror . but it we don't import terror. but it seems any tom, dick or abdul can come to this country via whatever means and claim asylum

on the most shakiest of grounds. after committing crimes. we'll still let them stay and pay for their appeals if they are refused. it's pathetic . we are refused. it's pathetic. we are that disorganised . we've managed that disorganised. we've managed to create an immigration backlog that our politicians are so determined to clear and make themselves look good that they appear to negating our appear to be negating our security it . and all security to achieve it. and all of this under a civil service who are a law unto themselves, hijacking policy that doesn't agree with their diversity and inclusive principles, withdrawing their labour if they see fit with productivity. in many departments at an all time low. good luck getting a load of them to return to the office. forget what the voting public wants. it seems that the bloated and supposedly impartial civil service seems in charge. service seems to be in charge. determining which policies they'll follow despite being paid by us, we've neglected paid for by us, we've neglected our national security , and it's our national security, and it's embarrassing . i called for embarrassing. i called for a return to compulsory national service because , in my view, it service because, in my view, it will get many young people off the streets instead of sense of

discipline and patriotism , and discipline and patriotism, and put in their minds the possibility of war. we've been lucky so far. most of us have existed in a country where this has been something that somebody else does in a far away land, and if do chip in our penny's and if we do chip in our penny's worth, then it's usually some remote action that we hear about in the news arguing about what gender pronoun is or which gender pronoun is or which gender pronoun is or which gender pronoun you are, or whether the dead should be buned whether the dead should be buried as their biological sex pales into insignificance and irrelevance in the face of war time. for the uk to get a grip. we've been asleep at the wheel . we've been asleep at the wheel. before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, is the uk being dragged into a world war now? this comes after the and us carried into a world war now? this comes afteathe and us carried into a world war now? this comes aftea fresh and us carried into a world war now? this comes aftea fresh round us carried into a world war now? this comes aftea fresh round of us carried into a world war now? this comes aftea fresh round of airstrikesed out a fresh round of airstrikes last night against the houthi targets in yemen. then, 450, targets in yemen. then, at 450, its will live to its worldview will cross live to los angeles paul duddridge,

los angeles with paul duddridge, host politics people host of the politics people podcast, on podcast, to get the latest on everything stateside. after everything stateside. and after winning south carolina winning a south carolina primary, biden has vowed to primary, joe biden has vowed to make donald trump a loser for a second time in the november presidential second time in the november presi(alsoal second time in the november presi(also head over to israel we'll also head over to israel to speak to uri geller at five. it's this week's outside now . my it's this week's outside now. my mystery guest is a business mentor and a best selling author. any clues? i've not given you much , but that's given you much, but that's a start. that's coming up in the next hour as ever. tell me what you think of everything we're discussing. email, gbv at gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb gbnews.com or tweet me at. gb news. all right, let's get started. let's welcome again to my busy panel. started. let's welcome again to my busy panel . as soon as my busy panel. as soon as i started talking, then passing a note across, i saw you . note across, i saw you. >> i saw no notes request, no nothing . nothing. >> what was it? >> what was it? >> no notes were passed . >> no notes were passed. >> no notes were passed. >> no notes were passed. >> no chat between the two. >> no chat between the two. >> we didn't. we didn't utter a word because you weren't. >> and then she went and i was like, oh, all right, i couldn't

help it. you you asked. >> i'll tell you. what were you doing? because what were told doing? because what we were told your was going your monologue was going to be isn't exactly what your monologue has been. i looked monologue has been. so i looked at danny. >> w- >> very good tactic. >> very good tactic. >> i looked danny and i, and >> i looked at danny and i, and i tell his face that. i could tell from his face that. so i was showing what i'd so i was showing him what i'd been told. >> what was going on. >> this is what was going on. >> this is what was going on. >> so this is what's been going, but that's fine. >> about world three. >> that's you should have just listened. that would. listened. then that would. >> i just point out >> may i just point out christine, although i'm your number far too number one fan, i'm far too professional to said professional to have said that on you roll with the punches. >> i was just telling the truth, she said. >> what were passing? >> what were you passing? >> what were you passing? >> so i told her, yes, but then you now there's you see now, now there's a massive deal. >> you should just >> you should have just listened, did. listened, but i did. >> listen, we're talking about world three. world war three. >> christine. no, no, >> no, that christine. no, no, that's not kelly. you go that's not danny kelly. you go first. danny christine first. danny being christine hamilton's fan. hamilton's number one fan. >> go first. i'm >> uh, i'll go first. i'm slightly worried. nana. and i'll tell you concerns me is tell you what concerns me is that a few years that donald trump a few years ago, was in office, was ago, when he was in office, was quite correctly the quite correctly bemoaning the fact nato allies fact that a lot of nato allies aren't pumping in the minimum

spend.i aren't pumping in the minimum spend. i think in the uk, our minimum spend is 2.3% or something, our something, but we are paying our dues. are paying so dues. we are paying our way. so if are cutting back yet, if we are cutting back yet, we're still investing the same amount then does amount of money, then what does that that tells us that that tell us? that tells us that our gdp is shrinking and we can't, we can't afford can't, and we can't afford all of these battalions soldiers of these battalions of soldiers because it's not mutually exclusive. it's one or the other. we are cutting other. so if we are cutting squad numbers, squad numbers, then must be then we must be we must be cutting , cutting less of a gdp cutting, cutting less of a gdp because are still hitting our because we are still hitting our nato commitments. um, so that worries me. fact that worries me. the fact that we're reducing the reducing numbers, boots on the ground, potentially yet are. ground, potentially. yet we are. it's not like we're we're some sort tinpot third world sort of tinpot third world country, part of and we're country, part of nato. and we're only putting 0.5% in if we are reducing our numbers, then that means our gdp is reducing, and it's a consequence of that. we what other reason could there be? we're the only ones in europe who do pull our weight. >> the french and the germans don't pull their weight. and the americans complained don't pull their weight. and the amewe ns complained don't pull their weight. and the amewe don't complained don't pull their weight. and the amewe don't pull complained don't pull their weight. and the amewe don't pull cweight. ed that we don't pull our weight. and have been all sorts of and there have been all sorts of ominous warnings other ominous warnings from the other side atlantic saying we

side of the atlantic saying we are not going on are not going to go on supporting you defending supporting you and defending you forever don't forever and a day if you don't step up to the plate. so it's time some of our european neighbours stepped up to the plate. our army is about plate. i mean, our army is about 75,000 men. the actual definition of army apparently 75,000 men. the actual de100,000.f army apparently 75,000 men. the actual de100,000. f ar| haven'tirently is 100,000. so we haven't even got army . but is 100,000. so we haven't even got army. but gdp is going got an army. but gdp is going down. all these people who say immigration all immigration is wonderful, all this no gdp has this productivity, no gdp has gone down. while immigration has gone down. while immigration has gone up. so i quite agree. and if more money is spent on defence, there's less to spend on everything else because . on everything else because. >> but they spent the problem with it is, was they with a lot of it is, was they spend some the quite spend some of the money quite badly the ministry of defence badly in the ministry of defence as so there's a lot of as well. so there's a lot of wastage. but the bottom line is diversity, officers, wastage. but the bottom line is diversitj got officers, wastage. but the bottom line is diversitjgot plenty officers, wastage. but the bottom line is diversitjgot plentyofficers, for they've got plenty of money for that. but the problem is we've this for this has been going on for a long time. so this depletion of our munitions our forces and our munitions and our forces and has going on a long has been going on for a long time. and also who would want to be especially with be in the army, especially with the they treat you after the the way they treat you after the war. so i you know, we need to really get a grip on this. we've spent lot time talking spent a lot of time talking about the culture wars, which i

think are relevant very think are relevant and very important, it important, but i think it detracts know, because detracts from, you know, because otherwise to call otherwise you'll have to call somebody gender somebody by their gender pronoun. didn't white pronoun. they didn't want white people in army before or people in the army before or was it raf something? they it the raf or something? they were trying many, too many white men, white. mean, it's men, many white. i mean, it's just but i mean, diversity and inclusion. >> i grew up as one the first >> i grew up as one of the first post—war generations. um, i was born whenever. so anyway, born in whenever. so anyway, post—war, uh, post—war generation wasn't going post—war, uh, post—war ge happen. wasn't going post—war, uh, post—war ge happen. had n't going post—war, uh, post—war ge happen. had the joing post—war, uh, post—war ge happen. had the cold to happen. and we had the cold war, which was all incredibly worrying concerning. and the worrying and concerning. and the cuban missile crisis and everything. the whole world everything. when the whole world teetered the brink, but teetered on the brink, but everybody then everybody calmed down. and then the came down, etc, the berlin wall came down, etc, etc. um, now even grant shapps is calling up, not us, but the younger generation, the pre—war generation , almost saying that generation, almost saying that war is inevitable. well, people like our opponents who are fairly obvious, aren't they? they're russia, they're potentially china, etc. etc. they they have to make a decision . even if we don't decision. even if we don't defend other nato countries effectively by conventional

forces, which we can't do because we haven't got the troops. are we going to press the nuclear button? that's the calculus . oh the nuclear button? that's the calculus . on is he? calculus. on is he? >> yeah. but when but what kind of nation they have to make the conversation, though, is more about the fact that we have not prepared ourselves. so we don't have the things that we need unprepared. and we are well aware that we know this and the world knows this because we were writing world knows this because we were writmay i make a slight comment >> may i make a slight comment and address something in your monologue? something about the culture on culture wars. now, i'm not on social media, time, social media, but every time, every and again, i'll dip every now and again, i'll dip into but don't have into it. but i don't have a presence. i've never known presence. i i've never known a society be so divided. now, i don't whether this is just don't know whether this is just exaggeration it's social exaggeration because it's social media when read people media or when you read people on twitter were saying, twitter who were saying, why should for this country, should i fight for this country, this who doesn't this country, who doesn't recognise rights, this country, who doesn't rec! example, rights, this country, who doesn't reciexample, this rights, this country, who doesn't reciexample, this countryhts, this country, who doesn't reciexample, this country who for example, this country who won't immigrants to come won't allow immigrants to come in spaces? all of this in safe spaces? all of this garbage now, whether whether whether we to if the authors whether we had to if the authors of those tweets . ever had to of those tweets. ever had to pick up a rifle, i don't know. i

would hope that it's all just complete baloney and that they would pick up a rifle, or whether they are so divided and intransigent. almost in these cultural that they would cultural beliefs that they would refuse fools refuse is almost craven. fools and conscientious and idiots, conscientious objectors. they had in the objectors. they had them in the vietnam war. >> conscientious objectors . >> conscientious objectors. sorry, just saying i'm sorry, i was just saying i'm glad about vietnam glad you said that about vietnam because it could because i think it could potentially sort of potentially be sort of psychological warfare. if you imagine happening imagine what's happening now, perhaps this don't know perhaps this is i don't know whether there are other forces involved are a lot involved that are stoking a lot of as well, of these culture wars as well, to us and distract us to detract us and distract us from actually focusing on what we should which is we should be doing, which is actually building our army and protecting our country, kristie. >> is that >> well, the trouble is that there are too many people in this country whose first loyalty is country. it's is not to this country. it's either their religion or it's either to their religion or it's to another from to another country from whence they not they came. they have not assimilated properly, and therefore are millions of therefore there are millions of people it isn't their people who it isn't their country so will you fight country. so say, will you fight for country? this isn't for your country? this isn't their country. so no wonder they're not prepared fight they're not prepared to fight for it. >> $- @-- ?-— >> well, i don't know. you know, sometimes are people who sometimes there are people who who come here are actually

who have come here are actually more patriotic. lot of the more patriotic. a lot of the british course, lot british people, of course, a lot of them yes, of course, but of them are. yes, of course, but when say about the when i say that about the distraction the culture distraction with the culture wars, think are very, wars, which i think are very, very relevant very, very very relevant and very, very important, when we're important, i mean, when we're sort of and i do lots of monologues and i talk about, you know, all this know, diversity and all this stuff, think a lot of stuff, because i think a lot of it a bit ludicrous, really it is a bit ludicrous, really focusing know, whether focusing on, you know, whether you're or a woman and all you're a man or a woman and all this and the gender and all that. i talk about it because i cannot believe absurdity of cannot believe the absurdity of many elements but i do many elements of it. but i do also that there also think that there is a moment now where we've got to stop saying, oh, well, can you refer to as this and that? refer to me as this and that? because when you into the because when you get into the army, that going work? army, how is that going to work? well if you're if we're going to have you have to have an army, do you have to refer to someone by their correct gender pronoun? you correct gender pronoun? are you going focussed on all going to be focussed on all of that? you know, talk about it that? you know, i talk about it because fed up with it muted because i'm fed up with it muted sorry sorry to talk across you. >> yeah. or years putin >> yeah. 2 or 3 years ago putin actually west's actually addressed the west's obsession he obsession with culture wars. he mocked the when it came to mocked the west when it came to when it came to half a dozen examples side the examples of that side of the culture wars, he actually mocked

the west. >> i was going to put now, you don't get that in russia. you won't any this nonsense won't get any of this nonsense in you could in russia. now then you could argue, you should be able argue, well, you should be able to say, well, it's to and then you say, well, it's not it's a totalitarian not because it's a totalitarian regime, but nevertheless, when it conflict. it comes to a military conflict. yeah. a yeah. when it comes to a military conflict, can tell military conflict, i can tell you have a you now, you would have a greater of nationalistic greater pool of nationalistic young men who would die for russia for great russia than you would for great britain. well, got britain. well, we've got currently parliament, this currently in parliament, this particular charlotte griffiths. >> e name w" >> i think her name is who stood up parliament said that up in parliament and said that people, they're should people, when they're dead should be able to change their gender from, birth from, from their birth certificate. if that certificate. now, what if that is obsessing our members is what is obsessing our members of parliament that dead people should to if they've should be able to if they've transgendered life, transgendered in in their life, they to have their. >> well she i she's >> well she i think she's brianna ghey constituents brianna ghey his constituents the but even so the mp well she is but even so focus was there even so for goodness sake. >> i mean you born a certain >> i mean you are born a certain gender and you die a certain genden gender and you die a certain gender. and if you've transitioned and you've taken on, you become trans man or a on, you become a trans man or a trans during your trans woman during your lifetime. that's one thing. but you change you were you cannot change what you were born and therefore what you die.

>> don't know why people, if >> i don't know why people, if you're man or a trans you're a trans man or a trans woman, are afraid woman, why are people are afraid to that that's what to acknowledge that that's what they you need be they are, why you need to be something that you're and something that you're not and say woman when you're say you're a woman when you're not. but that's conversation not. but that's a conversation that have. that we shall continue to have. what you gb views at what do you think? gb views at gb com or tweet me at gb gb news. com or tweet me at gb news. get in by news. you can get in touch by all the regular but first, all the regular ways. but first, uh, the great giveaway, uh, the great british giveaway, you £18,000 you could be winning £18,000 and totally spend totally tax free cash to spend however the chance however you like. the chance could yours. take a look. could be all yours. take a look. we wanted ten, 20, 24 into 2020. >> more with your chance to win £18,000 in cash to spend. however you like, you really could be the next big winner of our great british giveaway. phil from west yorkshire won our last one. listen to his reaction when we gave him the news. i never won a penny in my life. >> well congratulations, you've won £10,000. >> god . >> oh my god. >> oh my god. >> wow. >> wow. >> for your chance to win £18,000 in tax free cash text gb win to 84 902. text cost £2 plus

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iran, however, have warned that the latest round was a worrying threat to international peace and security. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking is the uk being dragged into a world war? well, joining me to discuss former british army officer stuart crawford, political commentator peter spencer news, senior spencer gb news, senior political commentator nigel nelson, former nelson, and also former conservative adviser clare pearson . i'm going to start with pearson. i'm going to start with you, stuart. what do you think of this? are we being dragged in? well, i think the short answer is no, not yet anyway . answer is no, not yet anyway. >> i think if we can sinner international relations on a sliding scale between global peace at one end and global war at the other end, then we're probably hovering about the middle somewhere here. >> and i don't think there's any doubt or gone up a doubt we've gone on or gone up a couple of notches , uh, since couple of notches, uh, since russia invaded ukraine and since the, uh , conflict in gaza. plus the, uh, conflict in gaza. plus all the stuff going on on the red sea but i don't think we're

heading for a global war at the moment . i can't see which which moment. i can't see which which side which bloc would want a global war, because there's nothing in it for anybody. and so i think that despite what senior political and military figures have been saying over the weekend, that we're not facing doomsday just yet . facing doomsday just yet. >> not not just yet. peter spencer well . it's very spencer well. it's very interesting point. >> i think we actually are in a very dangerous situation, and i'm particularly excited by an interview, a very thoughtful interview that the foreign secretary, lord secretary, david cameron, lord cameron , gave the sunday cameron, um, gave to the sunday times today, which he said the middle east is dangerous and scary and could at any moment escalate out of control. but what keeps me awake at night is . what keeps me awake at night is. ukraine and here we look at the situation where president putin started off as an okay kind of guy, you know, pro—western blah , guy, you know, pro—western blah, blah. he's got progressively madder and madder, and we've had the invasion in ukraine. now, if

i mean cameron's point essentially was i think it's entirely valid if we let him get away with that. where next? poland and, um, finland and wherever. i mean , i see an echo wherever. i mean, i see an echo he makes a point and i see an echo too , of the 1930s and the echo too, of the 1930s and the world sleepwalk into world war two with hitler trying it on and eason, i think the essential thing is that the optics need to be right, that is to say, we need to be increasing our defence spending and be really bashing heads together to make good and sure that putin does not win in . ukraine i mean, not win in. ukraine i mean, okay, i'm not quite with barry maguire. we're on the eve of destruction, man. but i do say we're in the most perilous situation we've been in since the war. the second world war. >> , claire pearsall, >> okay, claire pearsall, i think it's very interesting. >> don't the uk is being >> i don't think the uk is being dragged into anything. what it's doing its , uh, doing is taking its, uh, obligations, its international obugafions obligations, its international obligations seriously. and i

think it's a really valid point when talking about places . like when talking about places. like ukraine and not allowing an aggressor such as putin to, to get away with it. and essentially that's what we have to do in the middle east. and sometimes that show of strength is what you to is exactly what you need to prove, point you are to prove, the point that you are to be taken seriously. so i don't think at the moment we're being dragged i think dragged into anything, i think we're willingly doing we we're willingly doing what we can our obligations. but i can under our obligations. but i do think that this is a particular turning point in the middle east has always been a tinderbox to off, tinderbox. it's about to go off, and feels very explosive and it just feels very explosive at moment . so let's hope at the moment. so let's hope there are some cool heads within there are some cool heads within the and the government that the mod and the government that might actually be able to slow this down before it really does go bad. well, let's hope there are some heads there, are some heads left there, because people are fleeing. because most people are fleeing. >> nigel nelson don't >> nigel nelson no, i don't think dragged into think we've been dragged into a into war. into a world war. >> um, provided that the that we get the balance right between deterrence and escalation when we're bombing the houthis or the

americans are bombing syria and iraq, what seems to be happening is that they are they're giving plenty of warning before these raids take place. it means, for instance , if any iranian instance, if any iranian commanders were amongst the militia , they could get out of militia, they could get out of harm's way in time. so every precaution is being taken not to escalate . but the biggest escalate. but the biggest dangen escalate. but the biggest danger, obviously, is when you've got a couple of wars raging in different parts of the world, ukraine and gaza is things happen by accident that russian troops could, by accident , cross into nato accident, cross into nato territory and cause a problem. the important thing is keep lines of communication open so we know what's an accident and what is design . what is design. >> but that's that's all very well. but stuart, if i, if i look at this and i as i can see things are unfolding the uk have to sort of back up the united states. well will anybody back up the uk because i'm concerned that and get into that if we do go and get into involved in all this conflict,

people like the united states will busy dealing will be too busy dealing with all other conflicts, all the other conflicts, and they really be anyone to they won't really be anyone to sort us up. well um, sort of back us up. well um, yes. i mean, just going yes. i mean, i think just going back the previous back to one of the previous points the most dangerous points about the most dangerous time since the 1930s is, uh, nato didn't exist the 1930s, nato didn't exist in the 1930s, and, is the bedrock of and, uh, nato is the bedrock of not just british defence policy, but europe and north american defence policy. >> and so, to answer your question directly, is there anybody there to back us up? the answer is yes. the whole of nato under article five, which is generally translated as an attack against one, is attack against all but i think we've got to be realistic as well. russia has proved unable to conquer ukraine, and ukraine is not even a nato member. but ukraine is arguably fighting nato's proxy war against russia and doing so fairly successfully at the moment. so i think that, um , really, we're not at the um, really, we're not at the point of armageddon yet, and i don't see why russia, for

example , would wish to attack example, would wish to attack any nato country, because if it bnngs any nato country, because if it brings the usa and nato into a war against it, russia will undoubtedly lose. >> but the focus feels very much on russia. i mean, what about what's going on in the with the houthis and the in the houthis and all the stuff in the middle i mean, peter, middle east? i mean, peter, that's surely to me that looks more ukraine. more worrying than the ukraine. that's i see. that's what i see. >> sure, sure . well, it is an >> sure, sure. well, it is an intensely volatile situation and has already been made. the point's been made repeatedly that all it needs is for someone to accidentally escalate the war, and a sudden the whole middle east tinderbox explodes . middle east tinderbox explodes. and we are we are all dragged in and we're all in extreme danger. but to come back to the problem of ukraine, i don't think we can state too heavily the need to make sure russia does not win. and i do take the point about nato being the bedrock of western security. but the bedrock of nato is america . and

bedrock of nato is america. and having . having. >> well, listen, we're running out of time. so very, very briefly. then i'll ask you the question and just get your answer. no? are we being answer. yes or no? are we being dragged a world war? dragged into a world war? stewart? yet. not stewart? yes or no? not yet. not yet. yes or no? yet. peter spencer. yes or no? >> i quite not yet. >> i quite agree. not yet. >> i quite agree. not yet. >> yes no ? claire pearsall. >> yes or no? claire pearsall. no. nigel nelson no. all no. and nigel nelson no. all right. well, listen , thank you right. well, listen, thank you so much for your thoughts . get so much for your thoughts. get in touch. gb views gbnews.com. that's thoughts. what are that's their thoughts. what are yours? what you yours? i'd love to hear what you think. still to come . uh, think. loads still to come. uh, we're tv, online and on we're live on tv, online and on digital i will continue digital radio. i will continue with this great buddhist debate. i'm is the uk being i'm asking you, is the uk being dragged into a world war? what do you think? danny kelly and christine hamilton will be there to still come to join us. and still to come this outside guest. he's this week's outside guest. he's a mentor, a best a business mentor, a best selling , and he was on selling author, and he was on the series the bbc show the the series of the bbc show the apprentice. actually won. who apprentice. he actually won. who is first, let's get your is he? first, let's get your latest headlines .

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world uh today? have we been dragged into a wormy uh today? have we been dragged into a wormy answer today? have we been dragged into a wormy answer to no.? i think >> my answer is no. and i think the will be different in the answer will be different in six months time. still six months time. but i still qualify today. at the moment, i don't but don't think we are, but i'm worried escalation. i'm worried about escalation. i'm worried about escalation. i'm worried about escalation. i'm worried about these houthis. there's saudi there's 200,000 of them. saudi arabia can't control them. they're proxies. they're iranian proxies. of course. islamic course. they're islamic fundamentalists. and let's not forget that for a lot of people around the world, death is not a problem. death isn't anything for them to worry about. in fact, this is just a conduit. life a conduit. but life is just a conduit. but until meet your many until you meet your however many virgins the rest virgins and you spend the rest of your the rest of of your life or the rest of eternity paradise , all of eternity in paradise, all of that of baloney and if that sort of baloney and if you're an atheist like me, it's complete and people are complete garbage and people are willing for that. willing to die for that. but nevertheless, park willing to die for that. but nevethere. 5s, park willing to die for that. but nevethere. it park willing to die for that. but nevethere. it worries park willing to die for that. but nevethere. it worries me. park willing to die for that. but nevethere. it worries me. we've that there. it worries me. we've got got ukraine. i got putin, we've got ukraine. i mentioned this, and i'll continue mentioning this. i do believe putin going to believe that putin is going to test article of the north test article five of the north atlantic treaty organisation. i think he will at some point cross over into a nato member and he'll say, okay, now what are you going to do about it? and necessarily mean and it doesn't necessarily mean that going to start bombing that he's going to start bombing warsaw now to warsaw, but he's now going to say, i'm here. what are

say, okay, i'm here. what are you do it? you going to do about it? because point, the because at some point, the escalation and the ultimate escalation and it's the ultimate escalation and it's the ultimate escalation war. he escalation is a nuclear war. he knows doesn't to press knows nato doesn't want to press any he doesn't to any buttons. he doesn't want to press so could press any buttons. so he could bully across a border. bully his way across a border. he could do he. the guy is a pathologic loony. >> no, i don't think he is. i think very calculated. he think he's very calculated. he knows exactly what. >> you're right. >> you're right. >> he's not a lunatic. >> he does. he's not a lunatic. >> he does. he's not a lunatic. >> i don't think that they're mutually acceptable, though. mutually exclusive to be a lunatic genius. much so. >> name me another one. >> name me another one. >> , okay. right. okay. >> uh, okay. all right. okay. well i'm going to i'm going to i'm going to say a genius. um and this may leave a sour taste. a lot of people's, uh, mouths would, would be someone who's who over history has started wars . um, for who over history has started wars. um, for ideological reasons. it's so like. >> you mean, are you about to say, like, hitler or something? >> i was, yeah, well, who who was it? um i think it was. was it? i think it was nigel farage. it might have been boris johnson. i'm not sure, but i think who said think it was farage who said that putin. one of that he admired putin. one of them i remember who. them did. i can't remember who. if anybody out there knows

quickly, us and they quickly, let us know. and they have um , slagged for have been, um, slagged off for saying but what they were saying that. but what they were saying that. but what they were saying exactly that a lot of saying is exactly that a lot of these people vicious these people who are vicious dictators , and are dictators, etc, and are basically unacceptable human beings, highly intelligent, do exactly they gifts exactly. they have great gifts and are geniuses in and they they are geniuses in their i, i agree their way. but i, i agree basically with an awful lot of what danny has said. i don't think we're being pulled into world war three. i really don't, um, for exactly that reason, the nuclear used nuclear threat, we always used to thing called mad to have this thing called mad and destruction and mutually assured destruction , an everybody was comforted by the fact that nobody wanted to blow up their entire country with bomb , nobody blow up their entire country with going bomb , nobody blow up their entire country with going to bomb , nobody blow up their entire country withgoing to use»mb , nobody blow up their entire country withgoing to use a b , nobody blow up their entire country withgoing to use a nuclear)body blow up their entire country withgoing to use a nuclear bomb. was going to use a nuclear bomb. but we've got more but now we've got more countries, have got the nuclear i mean, north korea has a nuclear. they have nuclear weapons, whether they've got the, um, system is capable of delivering them to , for example, delivering them to, for example, to an american city or whatever. i don't know . but anyone who i don't know. but anyone who presses any nuclear button needs to know that they are assuring their own destruction . their own destruction. >> yeah, but some. but as as

danny pointed out, a lot of these cultures who are involved in this kind of warfare know exactly as you said, more and more countries have these bombs. don't care. no they don't, because they want to meet their maker because they're maker because apparently they're going or going to get the virgins or whatever it is they are. that's why you've got lots of, you know, bombers you know, suicide bombers who, you know, suicide bombers who, you know, you saw know, and actually, if you saw any the reports from what any of the reports from what happened israel, um, some of happened in israel, um, some of the was where the there was one where i watched online. i mean, it might not real, but think not have been real, but i think it a mother who's it was of a mother who's celebrating fact that her celebrating the fact that her son died perished son had died and perished in this way because now he would meet allah or whatever she was saying. thinking, you saying. and i was thinking, you know, mad might not work know, much mad might not work with you , but these people with you, but with these people and a lot of the people who are now subscribing to some ideologies to be, ideologies which appear to be, uh, is actually the uh, that death is actually the goal uh, that death is actually the goal, the desire. yeah, it's like kamikaze pilot. they were the most dangerous of all. >> 100. >> yeah, 100. >> yeah, 100. >> and also, i think life is less valued in a lot of other countries. i mean, in this country, value life hugely country, we value life hugely and any defence organisation goes to immense lengths to try

and protect our servicemen and women. that isn't the case. one feels in a lot of these other countries, i mean, you know, does iran care if their people are killed? no, i well, i'm sure i'm sure they care. no i don't think he does. >> i suspect that the in >> i suspect that the people in iran, actual civilians , are iran, the actual civilians, are more but of course , more like us. but of course, you've got a of people at you've got a lot of people at the who are more of the the top who are more of the warmongers than the normal civilians within the population warmongers than the normal civiliprobably n the population warmongers than the normal civiliprobably don't population warmongers than the normal civiliprobably don't popu|warn warmongers than the normal civiliprobably don't popu|war at who probably don't want war at all, imagine. all, i should imagine. >> don't . do the >> i'm sure they don't. do the people gaza no. of people of gaza want war? no. of course they don't. but that whole area is an absolute tinderbox. there's to tinderbox. if there's going to be third that's be a third world war, that's where be. where it's going to be. >> do think? well, listen, >> do you think? well, listen, this nothing without this show is nothing without you and let's welcome and your views. let's welcome our their our great british voice their opportunity the show opportunity to be on the show and what they think and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. over to discussing. uh, let's go over to should to london? should we go over to london? let's land, then let's go let's go to land, then let's go and have a chat. oh, there's map. >> we where london is. >> we know where london is. >> we know where london is. >> well, so what? >> we know where london is. >> what's well, so what? >> we know where london is. >> what's the vell, so what? >> we know where london is. >> what's the arrogance|at? >> we know where london is. >> what's the arrogance of? >> what's the arrogance of london, it? the arrogance london, isn't it? the arrogance of london? >> we are cook. what >> we are alan cook. alan, what do we being do you think? are we being dragged into a world war? >> think we're being

>> i don't think we're being dragged in to a world war because we're all too powerful on side to actually have a on this side to actually have a proper world war. now we are too powerful . well, with america by powerful. well, with america by our side . otherwise, no. but our side. otherwise, no. but what we are getting dragged. do into, i think , is, uh, another into, i think, is, uh, another round of world terrorism . in round of world terrorism. in >> what do you mean by that? >> what do you mean by that? >> well, in the past, we wars have been very well defined. >> and normally over% hmm. but time, you know, it wouldn't really be over territory. it's not over commodity money. it's all over ideology . and you know, all over ideology. and you know, so having defined borders, it's very difficult to actually fight a world war. what we're potentially going to have what we also have is probably the enemy within as well . enemy within as well. >> mm hmm. well that's right. we've made our left our borders nice and wide open so that we have literally our own home grown terror. we don't need to

go anywhere it either. go anywhere to get it either. yeah. right, alan yeah. all right, alan cook, thank much. that's alan thank you so much. that's alan cook. great british cook. he's our great british voice. dodgy sound voice. slightly dodgy sound there london. um, it's funny there in london. um, it's funny that close by and that because he's close by and that's probably sound that's probably the worst sound we've a great british we've had on a great british voice well, never mind, it's all good. you're with i'm good. you're with me. i'm nana akua. news on tv, akua. this is gb news on tv, onune akua. this is gb news on tv, online digital radio. online and on digital radio. coming outside, i'll coming up in my outside, i'll give more clues. my give you some more clues. my guest a business mentor, a guest is a business mentor, a best selling author, and he won a on the show a series on the bbc show apprentice in 2015. plus a year and a half later, he fired lord sugar after he clashed over his business. do you know who he is yet? gb views gb news. com you'll be finding out soon, but first let's get an update with your weather, a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there ! i'm jonathan >> hello there! i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . sunshine is in met office. sunshine is in relatively short supply across much of the uk today, and it's due to these moist southwesterly

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eventually clear from western scotland and start pushing its way southwards. northern way further southwards. northern ireland, maybe way further southwards. northern irelarseeing maybe way further southwards. northern irelarseeing some maybe way further southwards. northern irelarseeing some hill maybe way further southwards. northern irelarseeing some hill snow1aybe way further southwards. northern irelarseeing some hill snow overs even seeing some hill snow over the pennines, the mourne mountains as well. cloudy, blustery. that. blustery. to the south of that. but the cold air behind that weather front will to sink weather front will start to sink its the its way southwards during the rest week , filtering to rest of the week, filtering to more by looks like things more areas by looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on gb news . >> boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on gb news. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. >> coming up in my great british debate in the next hour, i'm asking should climbing on war memorials be a criminal offence? but up next it's time for world view and i'll get the latest on what's on in the us and what's going on in the us and israel.

good afternoon. it's fast approaching 54 after four. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's digital radio. i'm nana akua and wsfime digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time for. digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's time for . world view. let's it's time for. world view. let's travel over to america now and get the latest from paul duddridge, the host of the politics people podcast. let's find what is going on. paul find out what is going on. paul duddndge find out what is going on. paul duddridge , trump and his duddridge right, trump and his legal what's legal developments. what's happening in the states . the happening in the states. the good news is the good news is that, uh, trump's legal case is

the cases against him. >> the lawfare , uh, they're >> the lawfare, uh, they're starting to crumble. >> so we are seeing there was quite a big case, the election interference that was going to be heard on march the 4th that's now been postponed indefinite. while the dc courts of appeal decides whether or not trump did indeed have presidential immunity. so the brakes are on with that quite important case. there then in georgia, the whether he interfered with that election, that case is falling to pieces because the actual prosecutor there, the ag the attorney general has been uh, tied up in a potential corruption case and has this week admitted that, yes, indeed, she was having an affair with the lead prosecutor of that case. uh, trump has not case. so, uh, trump has not taken any of these legal cases . taken any of these legal cases. yeah. he's not taking he's fought back is the point. and he's beginning to have success in postponing these cases is huge. in postponing these cases is huge . because obviously, if he huge. because obviously, if he becomes president again , they becomes president again, they are completely wiped. i mean, they will be, know, he'll

they will be, you know, he'll have attorney general have his own attorney general and will be, uh , kicked and these will be, uh, kicked into very long grass . so into the very long grass. so it's looking positive legally . it's looking positive legally. >> now, paul, talk to me about the, um, because we've got strikes . obviously, us are strikes. obviously, us are striking on, uh, on the houthis and things. what's what's what are the thoughts in the states from the general public? and what does the view of what's going on well, just as per going on? oh well, just as per your other previous, uh, item. >> yes , you are, and we are >> yes, you are, and we are being dragged into world war iii. yes we are. >> that's exactly what's happening. >> and that's that's the mood here on both sides. i have to say , this is a cross politics. say, this is a cross politics. it's like, yes, this is the strategy . it does seem to be strategy. it does seem to be that the mood is that. >> yes, this is being, uh, escalated and very briefly, joe biden's popularity. >> we've got about 30s paul. how is he ? apparently he's not doing is he? apparently he's not doing that great. >> joe biden is at 38. >> joe biden is at 38. >> that's the lowest popularity ever for a president in the january of an election year , the

january of an election year, the lowest ever, 38. trump was at 43% in 2020, which he went on to win, as we all know. however uh, biden is at 38% lowest rating ever for a january sitting president . wow, wow. president. wow, wow. >> paul duddridge , thank you so >> paul duddridge, thank you so much. he's the host of the politics people podcast. always a pleasure. let's move over to, uh , israel and speak to mr uri uh, israel and speak to mr uri geller, who is joining us there live. uri now , how can we get live. uri now, how can we get some perspective on the recent events with iran ? okay, i heard events with iran? okay, i heard all your guests and i'm answering your guests and your viewers. >> now, listen , i want to tell >> now, listen, i want to tell you something . you something. >> the middle east, where i am now in israel, is on fire for hamas. >> the war in gaza, yemen , the >> the war in gaza, yemen, the red sea, iraq , syria, terrorist red sea, iraq, syria, terrorist groups killing american soldiers. but and this is so important for your viewers to understand, there is one country

which is behind all this , and which is behind all this, and thatis which is behind all this, and that is iran . you have to that is iran. you have to understand iran funds, trains and equipped all these terrorist groups, these groups answer to iran , hamas, hezbollah , the iran, hamas, hezbollah, the houthis in yemen , the terrorist houthis in yemen, the terrorist groups in iraq and syria. these these groups would not exist without iran . but let me tell without iran. but let me tell you something right now and very important , you something right now and very important, and i want you to listen very carefully . whatever listen very carefully. whatever you're seeing happening in the middle east now will happen in europe and will happen in britain. if iran isn't stopped . britain. if iran isn't stopped. yes, iran has spies and agents busy at work in britain. it is radicalise rising young british muslims at universities and your

own counter—terrorism police have already uncovered ordered 15 plots by iran on british soil. let me show you something. all right. this spoon. this spoon. here belong to the shah of iran . now, let me tell you of iran. now, let me tell you why britain needs to wake up and the world needs to wake up and take this seriously . see iran take this seriously. see iran used to be a modern, westernised country until the islamic revolution in 1979, iran's rulers follow a fanatical belief that iran must spread this revolution across the world, including britain . and they are including britain. and they are willing to make this happen, either covertly or violently . either covertly or violently. now, here is the most important and shocking part of what i want to say . while all this fighting

to say. while all this fighting is going on in the middle east, iran is using it as a distract action while it speeds towards making a nuclear bomb. nana look at this . a nuclear bomb. making a nuclear bomb. nana look at this . a nuclear bomb . look at at this. a nuclear bomb. look at it carefully, everybody . it carefully, everybody. >> only last week. >> only last week. >> wait wait wait, let me finish quickly . last week , only last quickly. last week, only last week it was reported that iran could produce enough material for 12 nuclear bombs in just five months. if iran gets nuclear bombed, then the game is oven nuclear bombed, then the game is over. and do you know who will survive? maybe maybe this species will survive. maybe if at all. >> thank you so much. always good to talk to you. tessa jowell alive in tel aviv . this jowell alive in tel aviv. this is a gb news that was worldview where live on tv , online and on where live on tv, online and on digital radio. stay tuned. loads more still to come in the next

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watchdog has launched an investigation following a crash on the m25 , which happened after on the m25, which happened after a police pursuit. officers from hertfordshire constabulary were following a van at around 4 am, but it was called off before the collision. the van went on to hit three other vehicles and a woman was killed. police say her family is being supported by specially trained officers . now specially trained officers. now a £20,000 reward is being offered for information that may lead to the arrest of a suspected chemical attacker . new suspected chemical attacker. new video has been released of abdul ezedi in a tesco store in north london on wednesday . police say london on wednesday. police say his last known movements show that he left tower hill tube station in the east end just after 9:30 that evening. that was after a woman who was known to rossetti and her two children were attacked . forensic tests were attacked. forensic tests have shown a concentrated, corrosive substance . was used, corrosive substance. was used, either liquid sodium hydroxide

or carbonate . former met police or carbonate. former met police officer norman brennan believes time is against hsi , who also time is against hsi, who also has a significant wound on his face. >> he's in severe pain . um, i >> he's in severe pain. um, i would suggest sepsis or something like that is very likely to kick in because when you have acid , um, injuries, you you have acid, um, injuries, you need immediate emergency treatment . well, we are four treatment. well, we are four days on now and he's got quite horrific, uh, injury . days on now and he's got quite horrific, uh, injury. um, he's easily identifiable . but there easily identifiable. but there are times where the police are looking for suspects , where they looking for suspects, where they temporarily outwit us. that's why, um , the public have more why, um, the public have more eyes than the police . the police eyes than the police. the police are doing all the background work . work. >> well, shadow minister sir chris bryant says serious questions need to be asked after azadi was granted asylum, despite being convicted of sexual offences . sexual offences. >> as i do look at this horrific acid attack this week and i want to go, i'm sorry, i don't want

to go, i'm sorry, i don't want to undermine the particular tribunal, but i have no idea to if all the facts that we've been told from the papers are true, how on earth that person was granted asylum? so yes, of course, we've always got to look at the rules to make sure that fundamentally we, the british people, safe . people, are safe. >> the houthis have been urged to stop their reckless attacks on shipping in the red sea following the latest uk, us airstrikes in yemen. lord cameron says the rebel group , cameron says the rebel group, which is backed by iran , has which is backed by iran, has been given repeated warnings to end its campaign, which he says threatens the freedom of navigation and puts innocent lives at risk. 36 sites across 13 locations in yemen were targeted by coalition forces . targeted by coalition forces. former defence minister tobias ellwood says britain was right to take further action. >> our economy and our security are symbiotically interconnect and as we see in the red sea if we don't protect those international shipping lanes, if we don't step forward with other nafions

we don't step forward with other nations , then our way of life is nations, then our way of life is now challenged because of these errant nations taking advantage of our ever wobbly international rules based order. britain does step up. that's who we are. as a nation, and we need to start doing it again. so braverman has told gb news that the prime minister is refusing to strenuously improve the rwanda plan because he's afraid of upsetting certain groups. >> describing the current bill as a sham, the former home secretary said it won't deter illegal migrants from coming to the united kingdom. >> what we were proposing to the rwanda bill was to exclude individual claims pretty much , individual claims pretty much, uh, you know, totally and then also prevent the strasbourg court from actually blocking flights from taking off. um, that would have been somewhat controversial amongst the international community, amongst, uh, certain sectors, the legal community, for example . and i think that there's a sense that we don't want to

upset certain certain groups . upset certain certain groups. >> a man has been arrested on suspicion of dangerous dog offences following the death of a woman in essex. offences following the death of a woman in essex . 68 year old a woman in essex. 68 year old esther martin was reportedly visiting her 11 year old grandson when she was attacked in jaywick. the two dogs, thought to be xl bullies , were thought to be xl bullies, were destroyed. experts are yet to confirm their breed . the 39 year confirm their breed. the 39 year old man remains in custody. confirm their breed. the 39 year old man remains in custody . the old man remains in custody. the mother of murdered teenager brianna ghey has called for a ban on social media apps for under 16. 215 year olds killed brianna with a knife in cheshire last year . brianna with a knife in cheshire last year. her mother says she wants to see special phones for children with restricted access to social media apps, or for inappropriate search terms to be flagged to parents. scarlett jenkins , who was jailed on jenkins, who was jailed on friday, watched videos of torture and murder online before attacking brianna . the king has attacking brianna. the king has been been seen in public for the first time since leaving

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celebrity, a former mp or someone has had an extremely interesting take interesting career to take a look after the job. we look at. life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learned on what comes next on the and today i'm the outside. and today i'm joined a business mentor. joined by a business mentor. best selling author and the two 2015 winner of the bbc programme the apprentice. he fired lord sugar and now lives as a millionaire. yeah, he's live in a few moments time. then for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking should climbing on war memorials be a criminal offence? week, the offence? this week, the government is set to announce that protesters climb on that protesters who climb on these things could face prison and a £1,000 fine coming after various incidents during these pro—palestine demonstrations . as pro—palestine demonstrations. as even pro—palestine demonstrations. as ever, you can get in touch , ever, you can get in touch, email gb views at gb news. com or tweet me at . gb news. all or tweet me at. gb news. all right, so it's now time for outside side. and each sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity ,

five, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone who has had an extremely interesting career to take a look at life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learnt and what comes next outside. comes next on the outside. now my an ex plumber. he my guest is an ex plumber. he founded his own business when he was just 22 years old. he won the apprentice in 2015, a year and a half later, he fired lord sugar after he clashed over his business. then, after a roller coaster ride of highs and lows, he's now raking in millions in turnover from his multiple businesses. i'm joined now by ceo of trade group joseph valenti . joseph, welcome . ceo of trade group joseph valenti .joseph, welcome . hello. valenti. joseph, welcome. hello. >> how are you? >> how are you? >> nice to see you again. yeah, nice to see you too. >> your teeth fabulously white. is they joseph, i've got is there? they joseph, i've got to this um , quite to ask. this is, um, quite incredible. you hear when incredible. when you hear when i do sort of a run of what you've been doing, when you hear it, you think, wow, that's me, or did you your reality exceed did you does your reality exceed your expectations or did you did you does your reality exceed your

have achieved that have achieved the things that i've so i've done so far. >> life goes >> but i believe as life goes on, more success that on, and the more success that you , the more confidence you have, the more confidence that the more that you get and the more self—belief creates. self—belief that that creates. and um, and i think everybody, um, should have a strong self—belief, a strong self esteem. because if nobody believes you , if you don't believes in you, if you don't believes in you, if you don't believe in you, going to believe in you, who's going to believe in you? >> exactly. you're giving me believe in you? >> [of ctly. you're giving me believe in you? >> [of alfie. you're giving me believe in you? >> [of alfie. best)u're giving me believe in you? >> [of alfie. best vibesjiving me sort of alfie. best vibes actually , do he he has actually, do you? he said he has sometimes has what is almost like an imposter syndrome. can't quite believe. do you suffer from any of that or not really. >> absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> said, i think the >> but like i said, i think the more you achieve, more more that you achieve, the more confident get . confident you get. >> i've never achieved >> and i've never achieved anything that wasn't 100% anything that i wasn't 100% backing on doing. backing myself on doing. >> you've got to back yourself first. >> well that's right. and alfie's a great guy. a good friend of mine , and he's doing friend of mine, and he's doing so as well. is? yeah. so well as well. he is? yeah. he's beating taylor swift, which is now your is exceptional. um, now your business is you won the apprentice . what was the apprentice. what was the experience of the apprentice like? and when you won it, you know, it go from there? know, how did it go from there? >> so i'd started in business at 22 by the time i was 25, i'd

plateaued , hit my ceiling and plateaued, hit my ceiling and had a half a million in sales a yeah had a half a million in sales a year. and about seven plumbers working for me. >> but i needed a business mentor. >> i needed exposure, and i needed cash because i had big ambitions so i applied ambitions to grow. so i applied for show and it was for the show at 25, and it was an incredible experience. i mean, they really do test you. the candidates get lot of the candidates get a lot of stick, um, on the series and there are many, um , uh, ways the there are many, um, uh, ways the tasks are created to really challenge you. and so it was just business masterclass after masterclass. and i think that, you know, it really does separate the weak from the strong. and as i saw the weeks go on, i saw those individuals that weren't living in that weren't used to living in a high environment high pressure environment really start . start to crumble. >> well, some of them come across as really stupid like and you listen , you've got to you think, listen, you've got to win. if you win, don't get win. if you win, you don't get fired. is a team. yeah fired. so win is a team. yeah why does that seem to go out of the for them when they the window for them when they get what happens to them? >> my approach every task go >> my approach was every task go out do something out there and do something great. can say lord great. so you can say to lord sugar you've achieved 80% sugar what you've achieved 80%

of approaches go of the people's approaches go out and try and make somebody else fail so they look bad. so you can talk about them rather than i think they than yourself. so i think they really get it wrong. and a lot of that go on there, they of people that go on there, they go to um, get the i went go to um, get the fame. i went to empire and to build a business empire and learn and, you learn about business. and, you know, you're going know, if you're going to go on the you've to be able the show, you've got to be able to walk the talk the tasks to walk the talk and the tasks are designed separate those are designed to separate those that the talk and those that can walk the talk and those that just talk. >> procrastinate is >> it. procrastinate is the thief time. one exes thief of time. one of my exes hated that i said to. hated that when i said that to. procrastination of procrastination is the thief of time. if you're watching blur joseph, you ended up winning. yeah, you then went into business with sir allen. was the business with sir allen. was the business your plumbing business expansion of that? and how is it that you kind of came to not blows, as it were , but as you blows, as it were, but as you went your separate ways? >> when i went on the show, i >> so when i went on the show, i went get mentorship to went to get the mentorship to build plumbing build a national plumbing company. my industry, company. that was my industry, that sector . but after a that was my sector. but after a yeanl that was my sector. but after a year, i got the mentorship that they had on offer. i got the investment into the company , and investment into the company, and i'd taken the big exposure, and

it became a situation where they couldn't really advise me on the sector and industry they sector and industry because they didn't well . they didn't know it so well. they gave great advice on how to gave me great advice on how to build internal financial build some internal financial infrastructure , but after a infrastructure, but after a while, the value exchange just wasn't equal i ended up wasn't equal and i ended up going boardrooms, having going to the boardrooms, having to on were doing to report on what we were doing rather to get help. rather than going to get help. i wanted to up the business wanted to blow up the business and build a national company, and build a national company, and sugar and his team and lord sugar and his team wanted me to stay small, make a little bit of profit, not give him which a like him any aggro, which a guy like me is not going do. they me is not going to do. they wanted quiet and wanted me to keep quiet and i just the process. just didn't enjoy the process. so i said to lord sugar, look, i want to build national want to build a national company. you my inspiration. want to build a national combuilt you my inspiration. want to build a national com built amstrad my inspiration. want to build a national com built amstrad my i apiration. want to build a national com built amstrad my i a huge)n. you built amstrad into a huge business in your 20s, but yet you're almost holy. ring me back. like so if you're back. it feels like so if you're afraid of quick growth and you're worried the business might me buy you out. might fail, let me buy you out. and all goes wrong, then and if it all goes wrong, then it's be on my name and it's going to be on my name and it's going to be on my name and it's not going to be on yours. and respected what i said and so he respected what i said to him. within 48 hours, he came back. deal, and i was back. we did a deal, and i was the apprentice to have

the first apprentice to have bought shares. bought back my shares. >> bought back your >> so you bought back your shares happened shares and then what happened to that um , in that business? well, um, in hindsight , that business? well, um, in hindsight, maybe lord sugar was a little bit right about growing it so quickly because by the time i'd hit 29, i mean , to be time i'd hit 29, i mean, to be fair, i'd built the largest independent boiler installation company . company in the uk. >> had a hundred people >> we had a hundred people working for the business, operated in every major city in the in the uk, but the business fell on times and i had to fell on hard times and i had to shut down part of the business and i had to sell off part of the motivation the business. main motivation was their jobs. was the staff kept their jobs. the customer contracts were looked but it wasn't the looked after, but it wasn't the exit for. you exit i was looking for. you know, i'd worked ten i'd know, i'd worked ten years. i'd given to that given my heart and soul to that company thought was company and i thought i was going come having exited going to come out. having exited for 100 million. it just for 100 million. but it just wasn't case. but in every wasn't the case. but in every problem, failure , i either problem, every failure, i either win or i learn. there's no failing. and from that scenario, i've been able to, in the last three years, create a £10 million, eight figure training business, teaching trades, business, teaching trades, business owners to avoid the mistakes that i made and replicate the successes. educate

them on how to go from tradesmen to businessmen. >> mhm mhm. that's fascinating. it's fabulous. and so you worked out that don't do it. just say just teach. >> yeah. yeah. it's all about knowledge. well and also knowledge. well and also knowledge is power. >> well that's why people want to anybody who make to anybody who wants to make something themselves. i something of themselves. so i find is the find that this is the difference. somebody who wants to something of themselves, to make something of themselves, see successful wants to make something of themselves, selearn successful wants to make something of themselves, set learn them. sful wants to make something of themselves, selearn them. yeah, wants to make something of themselves, selearn them. yeah, those its to learn from them. yeah, those who that are who don't see that as are envious. yeah and absolutely, that's a fine difference that's a real fine difference with that. so your training business now, um, how many customers have you got and what is it ? you know, what are the is it? you know, what are the what the what's the main what are the what's the main thing? access it? thing? how do people access it? >> back on my business >> so i look back on my business and said the mistakes and i said all the mistakes i made because it was my made were because it was my first the first i'd first rodeo. the first time i'd done don't know what done it. and you don't know what you know. so i saw that you don't know. so i saw that most tradespeople, in actual fact, this is all business. so trade mastermind has expanding now valenti business now into the valenti business academy, into academy, and we're moving into the 5.3 million businesses in the 5.3 million businesses in the that are small the uk that are small organisations. but most people start business they're organisations. but most people start at)usiness they're organisations. but most people start at the 1ess they're organisations. but most people start at the job, they're organisations. but most people start at the job, not they're organisations. but most people start at the job, not because "re good at the job, not because they know about business. so

i've across many i've seen it across so many sectors where people just don't have those skills, and that's where we come in. so trade mastermind over the last three years during the pandemic has pioneered the sector, become the largest business in largest training business in construction. we've got about 2000 we've done 2000 customers again. we've done eight sales and it's eight figures in sales and it's going from strength to strength and that just goes to show that out of every real life problem, like bad , um, situation that like the bad, um, situation that happened me can become happened to me can become the greatest entrepreneur , greatest business entrepreneur, cause in most cases are problem solvers . and really does solvers. and this really does solvers. and this really does solve a great, um, problem. >> what lesson? was the big >> what lesson? what was the big lesson learned from lesson that you learned from your failed business? >> don't know what you >> you don't know what you don't know you're going to know. so. and if you're going to go as fast as i went, you've got to go all in on making sure that you're protecting the downside . you're protecting the downside. throughout my 20s, everything i touch turned to gold, launching books, becoming a best selling author , having one author, having number one podcast the world, winning podcast in the world, winning the apprentice, getting into forbes, says to me, you forbes, alfie says to me, you believed your own hype. joseph

you got too cocky and you thought the you know, it was all just going to be successful and actually it's the downside that most people invest in and most people don't invest in and get the right mentors and get the right people around them to ensure you're doing your best to protect them. >> you you don't know >> when you say you don't know what don't know what is it what you don't know what is it that had known? that you wish you had known? >> wish that knew that >> um, i wish that i knew that when i got to national level that to finances that i needed to finances to stay there. small bit, stay there. um, and a small bit, i went to war with the british gas on a national level, and i was a multi million pound business, they were a multi business, and they were a multi billion pound business. and if you're go and attack a you're going to go and attack a big got have big player, you've got to have the compete. and the money to compete. and i should have raised another round of and i of investment sooner and i didn't. you in didn't. and you know in hindsight that's what i would have done if have had my have done if i'd have had my shot know, shot again. but you know, without that happening to me, i wouldn't have been to wouldn't have been able to do the stuff we're doing wouldn't have been able to do the training we're doing wouldn't have been able to do the training business.3 doing in the training business. >> lose a lot of >> and did you lose a lot of money? and then how did you start again? >> um, i used i lost a significant amount of money. okay. millions pounds. and, okay. millions of pounds. and, um, i've been able to get that

money back. and i think one thing that i've to learn is thing that i've come to learn is the, knowledge stands the the, the knowledge stands the test of time . businesses come test of time. businesses come and go, but knowledge acquisition will last forever . acquisition will last forever. so investing in you, you are the best investment you will ever make. and i'd actually i went for a period of real depression, you know, for a couple of weeks. i just couldn't get out of bed. i just couldn't get out of bed. i was so disappointed with myself. don't know why it myself. i don't know why it happened to me. press was happened to me. the press was going lord did going in hard and lord sugar did me a huge favour at the time i didn't it, but looking back didn't know it, but looking back now, article that now, he tweeted an article that was talking about my demise and he wrote you can't win them all. >> and i read to make you fight. >> and i read to make you fight. >> i read the tweet and i jumped out of bed and i said, right, i'm going to show you. and most people are looking positive people are looking for positive motivation. the time, motivation. all the time, but actually the pain that we actually it's the pain that we can use to fuel us. and i got back up and, um, i built another eight figure business. so if you're watching this, lord sugan you're watching this, lord sugar, you much for sugar, thank you very much for that the fire

that tweet. that was the fire that tweet. that was the fire that i needed to come back. >> well, he probably knows you well know that well enough to know that that was you needed. was probably what you needed. >> maybe. yeah >> maybe. yeah >> you friends with him? are >> are you friends with him? are you friends? you talk. you still friends? you talk. >> say i ever >> i wouldn't say i was ever friends. um. and i don't speak to but i would love to to him now, but i would love to connect with him. i really, really i am setting my really would. i am setting my sights as the sights on taking over as the host of apprentice, though, host of the apprentice, though, just does know that just so he does know that that is number. is going to become my number. i'm going for number one i'm going for that number one spot. there needs to be spot. yeah, there needs to be a new king in and i'm ready. new king in town and i'm ready. >> oh, don't bite off. >> oh, don't bite off. >> take your time. >> take your time. >> what taught you. >> remember what he taught you. he's of he's right. i've got plenty of it. you're very young. yeah. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> listen , um, if you know >> well, listen, um, if you know your where you see your your. where do you see yourself then? say, in five years time, obviously hosting maybe the apprentice in your head, but what else? where do you see yourself? so i run a, um, a private mastermind in london in 2024 called millionaire mastermind. >> i've got karren brady coming to speak, james caan from the dragon's den and middleton. so teaching only teaching businesses not only about increase their about how to increase their income, but teaching people the secrets of creating wealth,

financial education. there's a real lack of out there in real lack of that out there in the market. we're moving into all business training with the valenti business academy, but my mission is to just help people level i've come level up. you know, i've come from a family that struggled financially. wasn't set up for financially. i wasn't set up for success. and i believe that each generation in most cases, is starting from scratch . and i starting from scratch. and i want to motivate people, help people, teach people that creating legacy is what your mission is, and making sure that you build generations of wealth for your children and your children's children, your children's children, and your children's children, and your children's children, and your children's children . children's children's children. >> valenti, >> that's great. joseph valenti, thank that's of thank you so much. that's of course, of the government don't tax death. the way tax you to death. that's the way it you. really good it goes. thank you. really good to to that is joseph to talk to you. that is joseph valenti. ceo trade valenti. he's the ceo of trade group. was also the 2015 group. and he was also the 2015 winner the apprentice . that winner of the apprentice. that was outside. was very was outside. he was very inspirational indeed. so remember you can get in touch gb views at gb news. com or tweet me at gb news. it's fast approaching 20 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news and it's time for the great british giveaway! could win £18,000 giveaway! you could win £18,000 in totally tax free cash. you

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would punish activists, insulting those paid the insulting those who paid the ultimate for their freedom ultimate price for their freedom to protest . so for the great to protest. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking war asking should climbing of war memorials be a criminal offence? well, joining me to discuss is human rights activist peter tatchell and leader of ukip, neil hamilton , peter tatchell. neil hamilton, peter tatchell. i'll start with you. what are your thoughts on this? >> well, i wouldn't support, encourage or defend anyone climbing on a war memorial. i don't think that's appropriate , don't think that's appropriate, but it's very clear that this proposed legislation, which would carry penalties of three months in prison and a fine of £1,000, is excessive and disproportionate . this example disproportionate. this example of people climbing a war memorial is exceedingly rare and this looks like, or feels like a knee jerk reaction. it's another example of the government crack down on the right to protest , down on the right to protest, which is a fundamental human right and if there were loads of people climbing on war memorials, there may be a to case answer. but it's

exceedingly rare for and even in that particular instance, they weren't intending to insult the war dead. they were just intending issue intending to raise the issue of palestine. were not palestine. they were not attacking our war dead and the heroic sacrifices that that they've made. so, yeah, i just don't think it's the right response. >> interesting. that's sort of like you're stealing. but the reason you're stealing is because, well, you're poor and sad really need it, and sad and you really need it, and you've got excuse. surely the you've got an excuse. surely the thing to apply thing would have to apply equally. neil hamilton well, i think hierarchy think in the hierarchy of antisocial desecrating antisocial offences, desecrating antisocial offences, desecrating a war memorial . and the memorial a war memorial. and the memorial at the bottom of whitehall is to our glorious dead inscribed on the side of it . the side of it. >> uh, i think that that is worthy of the kind of punishments which proposed punishments which are proposed in this bill. >> after all, people have given their lives, sacrificed their lives for their country, the freedoms that we have today and take for granted . take for granted. >> unfortunately, all too often are being preserved as a result of these people sacrifice and nobody should be walking on a war memorial or desecrate it by

spraying paint on it. the only reason to approach a war memorial would be to look at the names on it and pay our respects to those whose names are inscribed for having laid down their lives, for their country, or to lay a wreath . and i or to lay a wreath. and i believe a nation needs to, uh, protect and defend and indeed to glorify the memory of those who have made such a sacrifice, which most people cannot imagine. and when you look at the, the refuse that we have on these demonstrations and their behaviour in one of these sacred spots , i think that these spots, i think that these punishments might well be regarded as insufficient. it doesn't matter how rare these, uh, events are. if one happens, that's one too many. >> what do you say to that, though, peter ? because though, peter? because ultimately it's a deterrent as well . it's ultimately it's a deterrent as well. it's going to stop more people doing this. well. well. it's going to stop more people doing this. well . well, people doing this. well. well, you know, even without a deterrent, this is an exceedingly rare event.

>> it's very rare that anybody climbs on a war memorial and said, i do not encourage it. i agree with neil that we should honour those who sacrifice to keep this country free from nazi fascism. we walk in freedom today thanks to their sacrifice . today thanks to their sacrifice. um, but i've got to add that, you know, the proposed penalty is for merely climbing on a war memorial . is for merely climbing on a war memorial. um, i agree that any defacement or damage should be a criminal offence, but i think climbing on a war memorial, and particularly with these draconian penalties, three months in jail , that seems months in jail, that seems excessive. i'll give you one example. during ve day, the 40th anniversary in, i think 1985, i can remember i joined the crowds to honour and salute those who gave their sacrifice. >> s and i went past a war memorial and i actually had to . memorial and i actually had to. >> in my mind, i thought i wish i had a garland of roses . i i had a garland of roses. i would have climbed on that statue and put that garland of roses around the necks of those

five soldiers who were commemorated there because they were heroes . now, i would , under were heroes. now, i would, under this proposed legislation , be this proposed legislation, be committing a serious criminal offence and faced three months in prison for doing that, plus £1,000 fine. so i think you have to assess each individual situation, but certainly we must respect. >> but peter , you're just but >> but peter, you're just but you're just one and you're saying that what if 50 other people said exactly the same thing and decided to do that? so then you'd have lots of people doing the same thing. you know, we've people pulling down we've had people pulling down statues like that, we've had people pulling down stat|it's like that, we've had people pulling down stat|it's these like that, we've had people pulling down stat|it's these may like that, we've had people pulling down stat|it's these may bee that, we've had people pulling down stat|it's these may be newt, we've had people pulling down stat|it's these may be new crimes and it's these may be new crimes and it's these may be new crimes and they be quite rare, as and they may be quite rare, as you but because you say, but just because something's doesn't it something's rare doesn't mean it shouldn't punished. shouldn't be punished. >> well, no, i agree that. yeah the frequency is not not the criterion. but as i say, this proposes to penalise people for merely climbing on a statue. and some people may have in some circumstance , good intentions, circumstance, good intentions, like my proposal to put red roses garland wreaths around the

necks of these heroic men who are being memorialised. so i think it's really we have to be careful before we go down the road of criminalisation , neil. road of criminalisation, neil. >> well, the penalties we're talking about, of course, would be the maximum penalties and it's possible in every criminal case where to put a plea in mitigation in and when the judge passes sentence , then he or she passes sentence, then he or she takes into account the circumstances of the individual case. you can have an absolute discharge or a conditional discharge, which means effectively no punishment at all. depending upon the circumstances. so i think that the maximum penalty isn't any indication of the penalty, which is going to be exact noted in individual cases . i'm very individual cases. i'm very pleased to hear peter say that he he supports the general intent of the legislation because because i think we're in broad agreement on this. um, you know that peter tatchell is not the sort of person who would behave in the disgraceful way

that we've seen over the last few months with these pro—palestine . pro—palestine. >> he might do, but it would be for a good reason. he wouldn't do it for the bad things, because roses and because he'd be laying roses and things, he said. but how do things, as he said. but how do we determine who's good or who's bad when comes to something bad when it comes to something like nigel farage? >> that there are >> can i just add that there are statues who are statues to war heroes who are highly dubious and questionable? there's a statue to lord haig in whitehall , a there's a statue to lord haig in whitehall, a man who there's a statue to lord haig in whitehall , a man who recklessly whitehall, a man who recklessly sent tens of thousands of british soldiers to their deaths dunng british soldiers to their deaths during the first world war. again all rational advice about good military tactics that man has blood on his hands. good military tactics that man has blood on his hands . and i has blood on his hands. and i think there are a lot of people who might think that his statue should not only be defaced, but pulled that's another pulled down. now that's another issue. i don't issue. i agree, but i don't think that necessarily all war heroes that we celebrate are actually in hindsight. so heroic. you think of the post—war anti—colonial struggles, british soldiers did some pretty terrible things in malaya , kenya, aden and cyprus. malaya, kenya, aden and cyprus. i don't think we need to

celebrate those. but listen, war is a war is a dirty business and a lot of people do very bad things during war. >> but there has to be a general premise, whether you can or you can't. listen i've got to go to the news, but it's such a pleasure to talk to you, peter thatcher. much thatcher. thank you so much for your thoughts. also, your thoughts. and also, neil hamilton. do you hamilton. right. so what do you think is gb news on tv, think this is gb news on tv, onune think this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming british coming up, the great british debate i'm asking debate this hour. i'm asking should war memorials should climbing on war memorials be a criminal offence? you'll hear thoughts of my panel, hear the thoughts of my panel, danny and christine danny kelly and christine hamilton. but first, let's get your . news your latest. news >> 533 i'm madison in the newsroom with our top stories. £20,000 is being offered as reward for information leading to the arrest of suspected chemical attacker abdul ezedi. new footage has been released. of the 35 year old in a north london tesco on wednesday night, and police say he left tower hill tube station in the east of

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through until 7:00 this evening. gb news the people's . channel. gb news the people's. channel. >> good afternoon. 39 after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. uh, now it's time for the great british debate. this hour. and i'm asking, is it time? do you think the climbing wall memorials, people who climb memorials, war memorials should be convicted ? so what do you be convicted? so what do you think? protesters climbing on the wall. memorials could face up in prison

up to three months in prison under plans being proposed by home secretary james cleverly, mr cleverly scaling mr cleverly said scaling memorials an insult and memorials was an insult and cannot continue. he that cannot continue. he added that the change law would the change of the law would punish paid the ultimate those who paid the ultimate price. so for the . great british price. so for the. great british debate this hour, i'm asking should climbing on war memorials be a criminal offence? let's see what maker that joining what my panel maker that joining me columnist. me broadcast and columnist. no it's it's christine it's not lizzie, it's christine hamilton. and also you danny kelly. you don't you think >> you are you don't you think lizzie too pleased by lizzie would be too pleased by you not being able to tell the difference? >> oh, i could, you know, but anyway, all right, christine hamilton, you think? hamilton, what do you think? well it depends on the well i mean, it depends on the intent, it? well i mean, it depends on the intelf:, it? well i mean, it depends on the inte if somebodyt? well i mean, it depends on the inte if somebody literally. i >> if somebody literally. i mean, basically think the mean, i basically think take the cenotaph for example. no, nowhere and every town, nowhere near it. and every town, every their own mini every village has their own mini cenotaph and they should be sacrosanct . places do go sacrosanct. places do not go near them. but peter tatchell did flag up a particular thing. maybe if somebody wanted to put a their own little poppy wreath on a on a memorial and climbed up a bit to do it, is that but what we all know what we're talking about, don't we? we need

people are doing with talking about, don't we? we need peopwhat are doing with talking about, don't we? we need peopwhat you; doing with talking about, don't we? we need peopwhat you might] with talking about, don't we? we need peopwhat you might call/ith talking about, don't we? we need peopwhat you might call bad with what you might call bad intent and yes, of course they should i find it quite should be. i find it quite extraordinary that there wasn't already already already a law isn't already a law that that sort of how law that covers that sort of how do you police that creating war? >> how do you how do you police bad intent on something like that? because profiling . that? because the profiling. paint it. no, no no climbing on it. so we're talking about climbing. that's already a crime. listen. a crime. but listen. so a pro—palestinian protester who believes that their intention is because they may believe that israel, is israel, in their view, is committing it's not committing genocide. it's not a view subscribe to. so view that i subscribe to. so they've the they've done this on the war memorial, believe that memorial, and they believe that the complicit. so the uk is complicit. so therefore, view, therefore, in their view, they have good intent. >> they're in this >> but but they're in this country and this is our war memorial. and there are laws. >> but their >> yeah, but but but their intention in their mind. intention is good in their mind. >> gets every single >> well that gets every single person. could even person. i mean that could even get this asset attacker off couldn't he might couldn't it. well he he might have thought he had a good have thought that he had a good intent not the way intent. well that is not the way it works. >> just though, bad intent >> just said though, bad intent would you would would be the way that you would police who who was doing. >> the person who decides on the intention is not the person doing it is the law decides

well, it is the person doing it. >> because in peter tatchell's case, flower on there case, putting a flower on there or whatever is his intention is good intent. >> person who judges >> so a person who judges whether what was prepared, whether what he was prepared, let's he did the let's assume he did it. the person that person who judges, whether that was is not peter was good or bad, is not peter tatchell. it's the law . and the tatchell. it's the law. and the people interpret his actions people who interpret his actions . you can't just say, because i've intentions , then i've got good intentions, then i can go and kill somebody . can go and kill somebody. >> your. no. >> you with your. no. >> you with your. no. >> mean, i admire >> i mean, i really admire peter, think got it peter, but i think he's got it wrong, even though he, he had great intentions about putting a garland around the garland of roses around the necks these brave men from necks of these brave men from bomber , don't think bomber command, i don't think it's to decide what is it's up to him to decide what is appropriate to put on necks appropriate to put on the necks of bomber command, whether it's a garland of roses or not. i don't think i think, i think these these these statues and these these these statues and the war memorials. these these these statues and the war memorials . are so the war memorials. are so sacrosanct. and i think there needs to be a bit of a pushback because as the vast, silent majority of people in this country up with, with country are fed up with, with statues like that being politicised and almost hijacked it. and i use the word hijack

very, very well, peter, tenuously, but it is it's been politicised. >> but peter also pointed out that. so, for example, some war heroes may not be deemed as heroes may not be deemed as heroes by others, and therefore it may be acceptable , but that's it may be acceptable, but that's up to him. but he he's not on the board. >> the governing board about about who decides and what is a suitable war memorial . exactly. suitable war memorial. exactly. okay. it's not up to peter. it's not up to some protester to decide. no it's not. so if peter may not agree with the fact that that fella should be immortalised but immortalised in a statue, but that's but doesn't that's his opinion, but doesn't mean pulled down. mean it should be pulled down. >> i think you onto >> then i think you go onto shaky in my view, it shaky ground. in my view, it would absolutely criminal would absolutely be a criminal offence. whether offence. i don't care whether your intention good bad. your intention was good or bad. i care. and i literally don't care. and i would that it applies would say that it applies equally everyone. and if you equally to everyone. and if you climb on any statue that is a war then could war memorial, then you could face face a three face you will face a three months in prison and also thousand potentially thousand the pound, potentially up and up to £1,000 fine. and i wouldn't be determining this and that. and other, i might that. and the other, i might take each case individually and determine how much the fine would you still would be. but you would still face the risk of three months

and the and a fine of sorts. >> we've seen a war >> we've seen not a war memorial, we've seen memorial, but we've seen protesters law into protesters taking the law into their own hands when they toppled the colston statue in bristol let off bristol and they were let off with nothing . yeah, exactly. with nothing. yeah, exactly. they off. they defaced they were let off. they defaced the statue, dumped it in the river. >> well, that's criminal. >> well, that's criminal. >> they got well, it >> they got they got well, it wasn't the jury cleared wasn't because the jury cleared him wasn't him whatsoever. it wasn't criminal the whole criminal damage. well, the whole world saw it, can't say world saw it, but i can't say that it isn't because i've seen a decision. a political decision. >> but jury found them not >> but the jury found them not guilty, so it wasn't. that's that's well, that's that's the. well, that's the irony whole situation. irony of the whole situation. >> there summation of the >> there, there summation of the scenario. but in my view, if you rip a statue out of its place and throw it into the and then you throw it into the river, criminal damage . river, that's criminal damage. >> damage. i do agree with >> eye damage. i do agree with peter, though. i do agree with peter. i don't think he should be for this. i think be in prison for this. i think there should be oh, i do there should be a line. oh, i do that should be. i agree with peter. i neil was right. the peter. i and neil was right. the whole gamut there for a judge whole gamut is there for a judge to what the punishment to decide what the punishment should gamut. but should be, the whole gamut. but i if i was climbing on a wall, let's put it this way. if i was peter tatchell and i was putting

and crush you, would and it would crush you, it would collapse it? collapse over, wouldn't it? >> although >> although, although though i am to pre—christmas am back to my pre—christmas weight, i managed lose a few weight, i managed to lose a few pounds. >> w- >> you're very svelte. >> you're very svelte. >> um, i would feel very hard done by if i was peter. and out of these great intentions to put done by if i was peter. and out oigarland reat intentions to put done by if i was peter. and out oigarland of|t intentions to put done by if i was peter. and out oigarland of rosesntions to put done by if i was peter. and out oigarland of roses aroundo put done by if i was peter. and out oigarland of roses around bomber a garland of roses around bomber command to three months command to get three months inside, that's a bit. inside, i think that's a bit. >> think it's fair. i can't >> i think it's fair. i can't believe it. >> i can't believe , did peter >> i can't believe, did peter actually say it was the bomber command actually say it was the bomber conlnand actually say it was the bomber coni think i think he did. >> i think i think he did. >> i think i think he did. >> i think he did say bomber command. >> i'm astonished at that because thought because i would have thought peter have in the, in peter would have been in the, in the, the, the maybe wasn't the, in the, the maybe wasn't bomber of saying that, but it was a war memorial. was definitely a war memorial. >> definitely >> it was definitely a war memorial. >> to the point, memorial. >> irritates to the point, memorial. >> irritates meo the point, memorial. >> irritates me aboutpoint, memorial. >> irritates me about itint, memorial. >> irritates me about it is , what irritates me about it is that these people so you that these people died so you could freedom to could have the freedom to do that. think that's the that. and i think that's the argument. it's the front argument. i think it's the front of the downright just of that and the downright just insulting nature of it that you are literally, know, i won't are literally, you know, i won't say because it's rude it's say because it's rude and it's swearing, but can i just say again , this is our again what i said, this is our country. >> it's our memorial. are country. >> warour memorial. are country. >> war dead.emorial. are country. >> war dead. and ial. are country. >> war dead. and we are country. >> war dead. and we honour'e country. >> war dead. and we honour them our war dead. and we honour them in way. other people

in this way. and other people should keep off. >> well, i think, but i think so. are you coming to my so. are you coming round to my way of view that they should be put and potentially way of view that they should be put where and potentially way of view that they should be put where ahaven'tntially way of view that they should be put where ahaven't got.ly way of view that they should be put where ahaven't got any find where we haven't got any prison find where we haven't got any priswell, true, but we could. >> don't avoid the question, steve. with me. i think prison is stiff sentence. is too stiff a sentence. >> they be in prison. >> they should be in prison. oh, you do? >> they should be in prison. oh, youoh,’ changed her mind. >> oh, she's changed her mind. oh, i haven't. oh, no, i haven't. >> of course they should. all i'm just i'm saying is, i'm just highlighting another problem in this country. the government hasn't prisons. hasn't built enough prisons. >> could sort >> well, we could easily sort that out. they could have a bibby thing bibby stockholm type thing going on astraphobia old cruise on or astraphobia an old cruise ship. well, listen , ship. all right, well, listen, this nothing without you this show is nothing without you and . let's welcome and your views. let's welcome our british onto and your views. let's welcome our show. british onto and your views. let's welcome our show. britisiopportunityo the show. their opportunity to tell they really tell us what's what they really think topics we're think about the topics we're discussing. four of discussing. i've got four of you. let's start with you. right. let's start with adrian. gillian. shropshire. adrian. gillian. shropshire. adrian 30s. should it adrian you've got 30s. should it be criminal offence ? be a criminal offence? >> well, i'm not sure. >> well, i'm not sure. >> i'm sure that the legislation already exists to punish people that desecrate war memorials. >> my grandfather , who was >> my grandfather, who was killed in the second world war. the memorial in the wirral, where his name was , was where his name was, was remembered, uh, was was desecrated. >> but the fact is, unless

you've got the police who are there prepared to back up any legislation that is there, then actually , or whatever actually, or whatever legislation you produce to criminalise it, is it going to take effect anyway because the police aren't prepared to back it up? >> mhm. uh isn't there could be you, you should be able to effectively understand what war memorials are around and respect that. >> and anybody that wants to desecrate that should be punished . punished. >> good. >> good. >> i agree with you. absolutely right. let's go to john reading kidderminster. who's on the other side john reed, you're on the gordon. >> i'd relish a discussion with, with um , mrs. hamilton regarding with um, mrs. hamilton regarding prisons because we haven't got enough prisons to put the people in. so my solution would be simple . yeah. it shouldn't be a simple. yeah. it shouldn't be a criminal offence. >> of course not. criminal offence. >> but:ourse not. criminal offence. >> but we se not. criminal offence. >> but we should take action

against them. >> and i think water cannon >> and i think a water cannon would appropriate. would be quite appropriate. >> get them safe. >> get them down. get them safe. take the police take them down the police station, wet . station, dripping wet. >> let them sit there for a while. >> get while. » ge. while. >> get criminal record >> get them a criminal record and then them their and then tell them to get their on their and go home. it's on their bike and go home. it's just children being silly. >> problem with that >> yeah, the problem with that is . you can't be too is that you. you can't be too targeted with that water cannon, sadly. go to alan sadly. right. let's go to alan mcneely . you're there in mcneely. you're there in grimsby. alan >> afternoon, nana afternoon. >> afternoon, nana afternoon. >> well, i think the problem that you have is if there is no law , then anybody can climb over law, then anybody can climb over them. you know, ordinary british people would think about doing that. but if there's no law to stop you climbing over the war memorial , stop you climbing over the war memorial, what you're actually saying is go ahead and climb over them. if you want. so they might to have some kind of might need to have some kind of legislation to actually say no, keep off. >> yeah, i'm with you. thank you very much. adrian cheylin shropshire. john reading, kidderminster and alan mcneely in grimsby. lovely. well, listen, your listen, so what are your thoughts then? gb views at gb

news. com or tweet me @gbnews. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. but it's time now for a story that caught my eye and the mother of murdered teenager brianna ghey has called for smartphones to be made available for under 16 without social media apps. now, the uk has reportedly considering limiting social media use for children under 16 as an children under 16 as part of an effort to protect young people from harmful from encountering harmful content . but what do you think? content. but what do you think? should apps banned on should apps be banned for on phones? people ? well, phones? for young people? well, christine hamilton , uh, i have christine hamilton, uh, i have never seen the sort of apps that these young people will see. >> so all i know is what i see on social media that other people talk about and, and television programs and things, but they obviously are. there's some deeply horrific stuff out there and young children, they're very impressionable . and they're very impressionable. and you're still young 16 17. you're still young at 16 or 17. so yes, course, i think there so yes, of course, i think there should controls exactly should be controls exactly what legislate should be, i don't know, don't know enough know, but i don't know enough about it. >> but whether work. >> but whether it would work. but danny, my ten year old nephew, christmas, but danny, my ten year old neleike christmas, but danny, my ten year old neleike a christmas, but danny, my ten year old neleike a little christmas, but danny, my ten year old neleike a little nokia christmas,

but danny, my ten year old neleike a little nokia 2210 tmas, but danny, my ten year old neleike a little nokia 2210 oras, so. >> and no smart screen. no, no. everyone thinks he's a drug dealer, not because dealer, but he's not because it's one of like, burner it's one of those, like, burner phones. you phones. and the thing is, you can calls, can receive can make calls, you can receive calls, he can text people, calls, and he can text people, and mum and dad wants. >> that's a good point. why ban the you can? just the app when you can? just parents don't buy them the smart phone. that's too phone. oh, right. that's too many phone. oh, right. that's too ma parents know what the >> parents don't know what the children doing. that's the trouble. >> that solved that one >> well, that solved that one right now it's time for supplement sunday, where my panel of the panel and i discuss some of the news that caught news stories that caught our eye. going to start with eye. i'm going to start with you, danny . danny what? you, danny. danny boy. what? >> sighs of relief >> you got great sighs of relief because it's been determined the perfect now inches. perfect size is now four inches. we're about we're talking about the yorkshire pudding. how to make that. >> it had to be food . >> it had to be food. >> it had to be food. >> how how to make them the >> how to how to make them the perfect pudding. perfect yorkshire pudding. according to scientists. now i know christine and are going know christine and i are going to disagree about this, but apparently 92% milk, 8% water. and that's the perfect recipe. whereas you think that's wrong. i would put some beer in their been >> oh yeah . >> oh yeah. >> oh yeah. >> yeah, 100, 92 8% up to you. >> yeah, 100, 92 8% up to you.

>> but absolutely not 100. i do agree with you 100% milk, but i wouldn't put all the rest water andifs wouldn't put all the rest water and it's national yorkshire pudding day, is it? >> i don't even know how to make a yorkshire pudding. >> christine hamilton well, this extraordinary >> christine hamilton well, this extrac called ' >> christine hamilton well, this extraccalled doreen higgins and >> christine hamilton well, this extr.haslled doreen higgins and >> christine hamilton well, this extr.has azd doreen higgins and >> christine hamilton well, this extr.has a disabled! higgins and >> christine hamilton well, this extr.has a disabled husband and >> christine hamilton well, this extr.has a disabled husband ,nd >> christine hamilton well, this extr.has a disabled husband , um, she has a disabled husband, um, who has dementia and can hardly walk. she has to take him in the car to hospital twice a week . car to hospital twice a week. she's been driving. she's 88. she's been driving. she's 88. she's been driving. she's 88. she's been for 70 years, she's been driving for 70 years, and was caught doing 23 in a and she was caught doing 23 in a 20 zone. she's got her first ticket ever. thank you very much, sadiq khan. i mean, she was offered instead of having to pay was offered instead of having to pay for the ticket, whatever it is she was offered a speed awareness course. i mean, the idea offering an 88 year old idea of offering an 88 year old who's had a blameless who's had a total, blameless driving record for all her life, a speed awareness course. i mean, honestly , i just thought mean, honestly, i just thought if she was pulled over by a bobby, there would have been discretion. >> the thing is, with these sadiq khan sadiq khan , varne, sadiq khan sadiq khan, varne, average speed zones, whatever they're called, there is no discretion. it's binary. it's either were under the limit either you were under the limit or a copper would have let her

off. >> well, listen, i've got a pretty supplement about the fabulous new potential cancer vaccine, will be very vaccine, which will be very interesting to interesting if that comes to light they're the mirror light. they're using the mirror technology that they use for the covid that'll be covid vaccine. so that'll be interesting how interesting to see how that works. it kind of sends works. yeah, it kind of sends a menu to cells and tells it menu to the cells and tells it what then your cells, what to do. and then your cells, it the cancer and then it exposes the cancer and then your then fights the virus. your body then fights the virus. wow that's, that's that's wow so but that's, that's that's all. all in the runnings. all. that's all in the runnings. but now but time for clip but now but it's time for clip bait . and wanted to show you bait. and i wanted to show you all lots of some wonderful acts of kindness . and i found this of kindness. and i found this clip online. here you can see a paediatric doctor who dresses up his patients, which obviously young children as superheroes before taking them into surgery . before taking them into surgery. on bless his heart. look at that oh bless his heart. look at that . it's so lovely. what a tear jerking that is , isn't it, jerking that is, isn't it, little batman? oh, that one's batman. yes. and then i think there's one more as well. look he's got. on there's one more as well. look he's got. oh look, he's blurred. another one in spider man. that's not spider—man. spider—man's not pink spiderman.

what kind of spider—man do you know? you can catch up with know? are you can catch up with those clips online. vaiews@gbnews.com. there's a superman going through as well. one of the nicest things i've seen. one of the nicest things i've seen . so i thought i had to show seen. so i thought i had to show you that to be a joke. it really is. well, listen, on today's show we've been asking is the uk being dragged into a world war? well, according to our twitter poll, what do you think? uh, i've showed you, danny. what do you think? >> think it's seen it. i have >> i think it's seen it. i have seen it. i think overwhelmingly the gb news viewers are going to say we'll you say yes, we'll give you a percentage. >> 71 christine, afraid >> 71 christine, i'm afraid i saw it, too. >> two of them, 71. >> two of them, 71. >> i'm so sorry. i didn't mean to look. >> oh, goodness. yeah. so according to our twitter poll, 71% of say yes and 28% about 71% of you say yes and 28% about the other one. say no . so yeah. the other one. say no. so yeah. so that's what about the 1% there? >> 99. >> 99. >> don't know. no, they don't know. we didn't have a don't know. we didn't have a don't know this. so it's 71.4. and 86.6 is the answer there. but we know there's no half people or

quarter people or six of people. not yet. on listen i've got to say thank so much to my say thank you. so much to my panel say thank you. so much to my panel. not yet. >> well, everything's going to come with isn't it? come with al, isn't it? >> thank you so much my panel >> thank you so much to my panel author and broadcaster christine hamilton. thank much . hamilton. thank you so much. brilliant ever. also, brilliant as ever. also, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, brilliant as ever. oh, that was just. that was just a time filler, to be honest with you. you to you you. and a huge thank you to you at home for your company. i look forward to seeing you next week. same time, same place , 3:00 on same time, same place, 3:00 on saturday. there or be there saturday. be there or be there or be square . yeah, i'll leave or be square. yeah, i'll leave you with the weather. enjoy your week. ha ha . week. ha ha. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler. as sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. sunshine is in relatively short supply across much of the uk today, and it's

due to these moist southwesterly winds filtering around this area of high pressure filtering in a lot of cloud from the atlantic. so misty and murky around some coastal there are coastal areas. but there are a few breaks around for few brighter breaks around for some central areas , and some central eastern areas, and there clearer there will be some clearer spells overnight as a very spells overnight as well. a very miserable to come though, miserable night to come though, for western scotland, with heavy miserable night to come though, for \persistentotland, with heavy miserable night to come though, for \persistent rainfallnith heavy miserable night to come though, for \persistent rainfall right|eavy and persistent rainfall right throughout the whole night. mild for most of us. underneath all this cloud. generally temperatures around 7 to 9 c, but a touch of frost is possible across the far north, where we hold on to some slightly colder air, and where that rain band pushes into the colder air ahead of it. we could see some snow, at least over the hills of the highlands, caithness, perhaps even monday even into orkney. during monday as there re wet though for as well. there re wet though for western scotland 170mm of rain potentially building up in a few spots by the end of the day. some localised disruption is possible. cloudy elsewhere with outbreaks of rain. patchy drizzle around at times, again a few possible , but few brighter slots possible, but another mild one for all of us. temperatures around 10 to 12 c.

on tuesday, the rain will eventually clear from western scotland and start pushing its way southwards. northern way further southwards. northern ireland, england, ireland, northern england, maybe even some hill snow over even seeing some hill snow over the pennines, the mourne mountains as well. cloudy, blustery that, blustery to the south of that, but cold air behind that but the cold air behind that weather will start to weather front will start to sink its way southwards during the rest to rest of the week, filtering to more by that warm feeling more areas by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , inside from boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news .

a crash on the m25 , which a crash on the m25, which happened after a police pursuit. officers from hertfordshire constabulary were following a van at around 4 am, but they were stood down before the collision in the van went on to hit three other vehicles and a woman was killed. police say her family is being supported by specially trained officers . now specially trained officers. now a £20,000 reward is being offered for information that may lead to the arrest of a suspected chemical attacker. new video has been released of abdul azad in a tesco store in north london on wednesday. police say

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