a crash on the m25 , which a crash on the m25, which happened after a police pursuit. officers from hertfordshire constabulary were following a van at around 4 a.m, but they were stood down before the collision in the van went on to hit three other vehicles and a woman was killed. police say her family is being supported by specially trained officers . now specially trained officers. now a £20,000 reward is being offered for information that may lead to the arrest of a suspected chemical attacker. new video has been released of abdul azad in a tesco store in north london on wednesday. police say his last known movements show

that he left tower hill tube station in the east end , just station in the east end, just around 9:30. that evening. that was after a woman who was known to azad and her two children were attacked . but forensic were attacked. but forensic tests have shown that a concentrated, corrosive substance was used. either liquid sodium hydroxide or carbonate. former met police officer norman brennan believes time is running out for azad . time is running out for azad. >> he's in severe pain . um, i >> he's in severe pain. um, i would suggest sepsis or something like that is very likely to kick in, because when you have acid, um, injuries, you need immediate emergency treatment. well, we're four days on now. he's got quite a horrific injury . he, on now. he's got quite a horrific injury. he, um, he's easily identified , able. but easily identified, able. but there are times where the police are looking for suspects, where they temporarily outwit us. that's why , um, the public have that's why, um, the public have more eyes than the police. the police are doing all the background work, and the houthis

have been urged to stop their reckless attacks on shipping in the red sea. >> following the latest uk us airstrikes in yemen. lord cameron says the rebel group, which is backed by iran, has been given repeated warnings to end its campaign, which he says threatens the freedom of navigation and puts innocent lives at risk. 36 sites across 13 locations in yemen were targeted by coalition forces . a targeted by coalition forces. a man has been arrested on suspicion of dangerous dog offences following the death of a woman in essex. six. 38 year old esther martin was reportedly visiting her 11 year old grandson when she was attacked in jaywick. the two dogs, thought to be xl bullies , were thought to be xl bullies, were destroyed. experts are yet to confirm their breed. a 39 year old man remains in custody. former wales and british and irish lions fly half barry john has died aged 79. he played in

five lines tests and was nicknamed the king after inspiring their 1971 victory over the all blacks . his family over the all blacks. his family says he'll be remembered as a loving grandad to his 11 grandchildren and finally , the grandchildren and finally, the king has been seen in public for the first time since leaving hospital . he was spotted smiling hospital. he was spotted smiling and waving at a crowd gathered at saint mary's magdalene church in sandringham. king charles was discharged from hospital last monday after being treated for an enlarged prostate . for the an enlarged prostate. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts now time for the camilla tominey show .

for the camilla tominey show. >> good morning and welcome to the camilla tominey show. it's been another busy week in westminster . it's four years been another busy week in westminster. it's four years on since brexit, but are we beginning to see the benefits of our exit from europe? it looks like things are moving ahead in northern ireland, but only time will tell. labour has been busy trying to woo big business while the conservatives are back focusing on illegal immigration again . i'll focusing on illegal immigration again. i'll be focusing on illegal immigration again . i'll be grilling the again. i'll be grilling the education secretary, gillian coogan, about her new apprenticeship scheme, encouraging 18 year olds to go straight back into the classroom as teachers . i'll be speaking to as teachers. i'll be speaking to the shadow for minister creative industries and digital, nigel farage's sir chris farage's nemesis sir chris bryant suella braverman, the former home secretary, will be joining me live in the studio. i'll be asking for her reaction to the latest immigration figures and trying to get to the bottom whether she is bottom of whether she is plotting rishi sunak to plotting against rishi sunak to take the tory leadership . take over the tory leadership. i'll joined in the i'll also be joined in the studio by former tory donor lord farmer to ask him why the party

is abandoning the family after a shocking published today shocking survey published today has revealed 8 10 families has revealed 8 in 10 families think that the government is family, unfair. he. think that the government is family, unfair. he . well let's family, unfair. he. well let's get straight into the sunday morning papers with anna mikhailova, the deputy political editor and columnist on the mail on sunday. anna. lovely to see you this morning. well, it's interesting, isn't it, because we've obviously seen these air force deployed again in the middle east, while at the same time a lot of the papers this morning featuring this morning are featuring this report about how undefended or defenceless are. defenceless we actually are. talk us through it. >> so the defence committee of mps has published a landmark report , a pretty shockingly report, a pretty shockingly saying that the armed forces are simply not ready for a war. obviously, there's been speculation that there might be a war with russia on the horizon . there's a lot going on in .there's a lot going on in the middle east. mean, last night middle east. i mean, last night it almost looking like we it was almost looking like we might get pulled into the american iran. american action against iran. that did not happen. instead, there were more bombings against

that did not happen. instead, the|houthisnore bombings against that did not happen. instead, the|houthis inre bombings against that did not happen. instead, the|houthis in yemen)ings against that did not happen. instead, the|houthis in yemen .ngs against that did not happen. instead, the|houthis in yemen . butagainst that did not happen. instead, the|houthis in yemen . but it's nst the houthis in yemen. but it's just such a tinderbox situation there. and at the same time, back home, we've got this report saying armed forces are saying that the armed forces are just not not not ready . um, uh, just not not not ready. um, uh, one of the findings is that while there was extra funding promised in the last budget, about two, nearly £2 billion, all of that's done is gone into plug all of that's done is gone into plug random plug shortfalls. so it's not actually investing in the new capability that people say we actually need . say we actually need. >> and when we question grant shapps about this, i know you have and i have, you know, it's kind of like nothing to see here. everything's okay. but there are legitimate concerns as, um, among army as, um, among former army and other generals, they, other generals, aren't they, that ready. and that we aren't quite ready. and then there's also concerns. i mean, perhaps it would be seen as too much of an escalation, but we're sending these aircraft out from about 3000 miles away. then we have got two aircraft carriers that could be sent to the red sea. why do you think shapps doesn't want to do that? >> well, maybe it would be seen as a possible up.

as a possible stepping up. i think is a real concern think there is a real concern that what is going on in the middle east right now really has the of tipping over into the risk of tipping over into wider war. and no one wants that. um, so i think that is probably why, um, with the grant shapps and rishi sunak , it's shapps and rishi sunak, it's important to point out that when they rather recently ran for the conservative leadership, both pledged to increasing spending on, uh , defence as a proportion on, uh, defence as a proportion of gdp . we of course, while in of gdp. we of course, while in government, both are constrained by the actual state of finances . by the actual state of finances. but i think a conversation probably does need to be had in the context of the current geopolitical situation of actually probably funding funding more. >> exactly. i think ben wallace wanted 3. it's currently at 2.25, according to an interview. i did with shapps a couple of weeks ago. let's move on to, um, kind of a triple of interventions. we've got , uh, interventions. we've got, uh, james cleverly, the home secretary in the sun on sunday talking about the interference. really of bishops with regard to

not just the rwanda bill, but also this recent chemical attack . we've also got priti patel and suella braverman, who's coming into the studio in just a moment to speak to me about this and other also saying that other matters, also saying that churches shouldn't be getting involved in asylum claims. do you with that, anna? well, you agree with that, anna? well, the point about churches is obviously off the back of the horrific attack in clapham, where it turns out, despite being rejected for asylum being twice rejected for asylum by the home office, the attacker was then granted . was then granted. >> uh was allowed to stay in the country by a tribunal , all based country by a tribunal, all based on some evidence , it appears, on some evidence, it appears, where a priest vouched for him and said he had converted christianity. >> so at the last minute, i mean, i can't quite understand this. one can understand that somebody could claim asylum on the back of being a christian and fearing persecution in their own country. we know that there are a lot of cases of christian persecution in the middle east. however, this is at the last minute and there are other examples of this examples in the papers of this being used, i think, as a ruse.

well so suella braverman, uh, and her article in telegraph and her article in the telegraph says was shocked says that when she was shocked when to the home office when she got to the home office and says that this happens on an industrial scale, claims industrial scale, she claims that that that churches effectively that in communities people in certain communities people know approach , know which churches to approach, um, and, and help find a friendly bishop. yes >> the churches do deny this . >> the churches do deny this. they say, is this more a problem of, um, the church almost wanting to in a in a in a time when no one really wants to go to church, being so desperate for anyone. >> yeah, anyone who comes and converts, they're happy with. >> whether not they're >> so whether or not they're doing knowingly is, um, uh, doing it knowingly is, um, uh, is debateable, but alan mendoza, for example, has an op ed, uh, he runs the henry jackson society. he has an interesting article week's in article in this week's in today's saying that today's paper saying that there's actually no data on church, on conversions to christianity in asylum claims. so at the very least, we should be gathering the numbers to see whether this is a trend, whether or not this is a trend, because all have is these because all we have is these anecdotal examples like this liverpool bomber. >> good to the >> it'd be good to know the numbers, wouldn't exactly numbers, wouldn't it? exactly

um, just quickly on james um, just very quickly on james cleverly. mean, it's not cleverly. i mean, it's not holding justin holding back on, um, justin welby warned welby is he? archbishop warned on evil smugglers basically making you're on the making the point. you're on the wrong here. yes wrong side here. yes >> archbishop. well, justin >> and archbishop. well, justin welby been in the house of welby has been in the house of lords , uh, criticising the lords, uh, criticising the rwanda bill. he makes no secret that he's against the rwanda rwanda bill. he makes no secret that one against the rwanda rwanda bill. he makes no secret that one ofainst the rwanda rwanda bill. he makes no secret that one of thet the rwanda rwanda bill. he makes no secret that one of the problems1da rwanda bill. he makes no secret that one of the problems the bill. one of the problems the church has, people will say, is that they both they they both don't want to be criticised about getting involved in these asylum claims, but also are so incredibly political over things like rwanda that perhaps being political in this way and showing so obviously which side they're, you know, i mean, shouldn't the clergy be apolitical so that they're representing parishioners who might for rwanda and against? >> it's a it's a strange conundrum . um, let's move on to conundrum. um, let's move on to that other broad church. the conservatives, because there's an interesting poll which is featured in, um , almost all of featured in, um, almost all of the papers, but particularly the sun on sunday says penny's a winner in polls. so penny mordaunt is now the most popular successor to rishi sunak.

meanwhile we read in the sunday times that nigel farage, of all people, my gb news fellow presenter, is going to be going to be attending the launch of this popular conservatism comeback that's being spearheaded by liz truss. >> popcorn. yes that will be one of the political moments of this week. um, nigel farage is apparently attending in his capacity as the gb news presenter in case he . presenter in case he. >> okay. so journalistically, he's attending, although we know he's attending, although we know he was at the tory party conference, he went to another event liz truss. event featuring liz truss. what's up to, anna, do what's liz truss up to, anna, do you think? >> think she's, um, knowingly >> i think she's, um, knowingly stirring the pot. would be would be the technical tum for it. i think liz truss obviously knows that she has no future in a return leadership bid, but she makes no secret that she would probably like to be in a position of kingmaker in any future. going say future. i was going to say kingmaker rather than comeback queen, probably the queen, i think is probably the best idea. >> an interesting best idea. >> of an interesting best idea. >> of dual an interesting best idea. >> of dual story| interesting best idea. >> of dual story| irtheesting best idea. >> of dual story| irthe sunday sort of dual story in the sunday times talking about how we're in this slightly perverse situation , that starmer is being

, in that keir starmer is being sort of more strong on israel than lord cameron, our foreign secretary cameron calling for palestine to be recognised as a state. starmer is not willing to go that far. is this going to cost labour muslim votes, do you think? >> well, it is already costing labour muslim votes and um, rochdale , the by—election in rochdale, the by—election in rochdale, the by—election in rochdale will be an interesting one to watch because george galloway is standing there. yes. so that will be um, so this month and also other, uh, prominent labour mps are being challenged by the, uh, palestinian activists . um, the palestinian activists. um, the sunday times quotes a labour mp saying that cameron has, quote, outflanked us on palestine, which they think is haemorrhaging both traditional labour voters and muslim voters

which the country doesn't need , which the country doesn't need, doesn't actually want . doesn't actually want. >> welcome back to the camilla

tominey show. lovely to have your company this sunday morning . we're just waiting for gillian .we're just waiting for gillian keegan, the education secretary. minister, very much minister, thank you very much for the time. just for making the time. i've just been my been discussing with my newspaper your plan newspaper guests there your plan for apprentices. for teacher apprentices. i suppose that does beg the question whether we are going to have the prospect of teenagers teaching teenagers . teaching teenagers. >> well, i mean, we already have workplace payments going in to do the work placements at various age. but no, that's not the intention. about 70% of all the intention. about 70% of all the occupations in this country. now, you can access through an apprenticeship scheme. so we have completely revolutionised apprenticeships this country. apprenticeships in this country. and also available to and they're also available to people of ages. so if you people of all ages. so if you want to be a space engineer or an accountant or a medical doctor , almost any job you can doctor, almost any job you can think of, you can now do it via an apprenticeship and what i wanted to do was also bring that to teaching, because what you get you broaden the amount of get is you broaden the amount of people access teaching. people who can access teaching. so young who want so those young people who want to degree apprenticeship, to do a degree apprenticeship, like i did all those years ago,

can access a degree apprenticeship teaching degree apprenticeship and skip the student so they'll earn and student debt so they'll earn and learn at the same time. but also for older people who may decide, you what, this is you know what, this is a fantastic second career. i can give something back or there's a lot of we've got 59,000 more teaching assistants than we had lot of we've got 59,000 more te'2010. assistants than we had lot of we've got 59,000 more te'2010. some ants than we had lot of we've got 59,000 more te'2010. some ofts than we had lot of we've got 59,000 more te'2010. some of them1 we had lot of we've got 59,000 more te'2010. some of them would ad lot of we've got 59,000 more te'2010. some of them would make in 2010. some of them would make fantastic teachers, so we just want into the want to make the routes into the profession easier for them and more supportive. if you need to earn at the same time earn as well. at the same time as you're learning. >> although presumably these teaching apprentices have teaching apprentices will have to have studied maths to 18 because sunak is expecting because rishi sunak is expecting children to study maths to 18. >> well , they will be studying >> well, they will be studying maths writing in the future, but the teaching degree apprenticeship , which will start apprenticeship, which will start in in september 2025, with people taking it that has a lot of subject expertise. so we've worked with all the institutes , worked with all the institutes, you know, with maths, with physics, with science and all of the societies, the expert groups, to make sure that we have of the subject have enough of the subject matter in there, because that's

one of the things you need to do have the subject matter, but also pedagogy, the also have the pedagogy, have the ability how and to what ability to know how and to what learn in what stages. but they might not be the they've all been working on, but they might not mathematicians that not be the mathematicians that rishi hoping the rishi sunak is hoping for in the classroom . they'll be fantastic classroom. they'll be fantastic mathematicians and probably far better than you or i, and they will definitely be able to teach up to the right standard and beyond the standard as well . so beyond the standard as well. so yes, of course, you know , that's yes, of course, you know, that's one of that's been one of the, um, the reasons we've had people working on this to make sure that it has the right sort of subject knowledge, we'll do subject knowledge, and we'll do the for others. computer the same for others. computer science, physics, particularly where occupations where there's short occupations because is very difficult to because it is very difficult to compete with computer science graduates when basically the whole of the world is trying to employ them. so we have seen that we have some shortages in some the subjects because , some of the subjects because, you is it is difficult you know, it is it is difficult to compete and you could never, you even though we've got you know, even though we've got the i'm the starting salaries now, i'm really say up to

really proud to say up to £30,000, you're never to £30,000, you're never going to compete these compete with some of these massive tech companies. can i put quick question to you from put a quick question to you from our panellist who our people's panellist who asked, we teach asked, why don't we teach personal in schools . personal finance in schools. well, it is actually part of the i mean, what's available in the curriculum for the s'she. but one of the things we've been thinking about is, as we do go to maths to 18 and we've been working with people to understand what that looks like in terms of curriculum. i think there's a real opportunity to do more on financial education. we do of the basics and we do do some of the basics and we do do some of the basics and we do examples actually from do use examples actually from the real world. in many of the maths teaching. but i think that is question for is a really good question for maths to 18 as to what more we could do on financial education. lots of children say that they would have more now. would like to have more now. >> on i spoke with >> earlier on i spoke with shadow minister for creative industries and digital, sir chris bryant for rhondda. chris bryant, mp for rhondda. here's what he had to say. bryant joins me now. he's the labour mp for rhondda, who's shadow for creative shadow minister for creative industries and digital. lovely

to this mr to see you. this morning, mr bryant. very for bryant. thank you very much for joining let's talk about joining us. let's talk about some of labour's policies. then we are more we understand that you are going to have a bomb proof manifesto , but it's proof manifesto, but it's perhaps conspicuous by its absence. what's not in it ? the absence. what's not in it? the green prosperity pledge is being watered down. there's now going to mention of this 28 to be no mention of this 28 billion. there's going to be no new national care service. you're going to be scrapping you're not going to be scrapping the lords, having promised that for you're going for decades. you're only going to get of 90 odd hereditary to get rid of 90 odd hereditary peers . i to get rid of 90 odd hereditary peers. i mean, is this evidence that labour can't stick to its promises when not in power ? promises even when not in power? >> camilla, i'm afraid you've been reading the newspapers and believing everything you read in them that none of that is true. we are certainly committed to our £28 billion green prosperity plan , because we want to make plan, because we want to make sure that we can protect our energy security in this country. we want to be able to capitalise on the jobs of the future for british people. we want to set up great british energy. want up great british energy. we want

to of that happen. yes to make all of that happen. yes sure. it's an ambitious commitment, but are commitment, but we are determined happen . i determined to make it happen. i can't tell you what day of what week going to happen, week it's going to happen, but for matter, had for that matter, if you had jeremy here now, he jeremy hunt on here now, he wouldn't able to tell you wouldn't be able to tell you what the rates are going to what the tax rates are going to be in six weeks time or at the end of the year, let alone what he's going to be spending in 2028, want to 2028, 2029. so look, we want to be a credible government and that means no inventing that means no more inventing six impossible things before breakfast. gimmicks and breakfast. no more gimmicks and serious, credible , practicable serious, credible, practicable policies. we haven't published our manifesto yet. we will pubush our manifesto yet. we will publish it later on this year when the general election comes. but yes, of course we're going to be reforming the house of lords. are we? there are lots of different stages that there will have be to of course we have to be to that. of course we are. we don't believe that the way that the house of lords is presently constituted is right. why michelle mone a why on earth is michelle mone a member lords? member of the house of lords? how have we ended up how on earth have we ended up with 800 members of with more than 800 members of the house of lords? why on earth is possible when the is it possible when the committee not scrap it committee says why not scrap it

completely, then a suitable person the house of person to go to the house of lords that the minister lords that the prime minister completely well, completely overrides it? well, because having because i'm in favour of having a chamber and think it a second chamber and i think it should proper reflection of should be a proper reflection of the whole of the united kingdom , the whole of the united kingdom, the whole of the united kingdom, the nations the regions. the nations and the regions. different of the country, different parts of the country, rather very focussed rather than just very focussed on london south east. it on london and the south east. it shouldn't set of shouldn't just be a set of cronies appointed by prime ministers. have ministers. you should have a proper process would proper process and i would prefer it elected. but prefer to see it elected. but that's that is a massive piece of constitution change which will take time to deliver. will take some time to deliver. >> okay, but isn't one of the problems for starmer is that he can't really scrap the whole of the lords, because then how would favours for his would he do favours for his friends and supporters? how would prospect would we then have the prospect of future lord brown of a future lord brown or a future lord blair, or future future lord blair, or a future lord might have been a trade lord who might have been a trade union baron who supported labour? that's problem, labour? that's the problem, isn't bryant? good isn't it? mr bryant? good >> good try. camilla. i think you'll find that tony blair and gordon brown could have had a seat in the house of lords. many years ago, if they still timed one. look, the truth is, you you . but honestly, that's not the

plan. and wouldn't it be a good idea we stopped any prime idea if we stopped any prime minister having resignation? minister having a resignation? honours can honours list so that they can just old mates in, who've just their old mates in, who've done them favours the years done them favours over the years into the house of lords, into the if we the legislature for life. if we want bring about change, we want to bring about change, we want to bring about change, we want know our want we know that our constitution at the constitution is creaking at the edges need to bring about change. >> now. don't move a muscle, because in just a minute i'll be talking to the former home secretary, suella braverman. talking to the former home secret she suella braverman. talking to the former home secret she bezlla braverman. talking to the former home secret she be the braverman. talking to the former home secret she be the future man. talking to the former home secret she be the future tory could she be the future tory leader? .

it. it's not going to be instead of well, i'm being hopeful that the tories won't be quite as bad. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news i'm delighted to be joined now by the former home secretary, suella braverman, mp for fareham, . live and fareham, in the studio. live and dangerous ? no, not necessarily. dangerous? no, not necessarily. it's interesting because i haven't actually spoken to you at length since your resignation

. um, let's just go back to that moment if we can, because it's still probably fresh in people's memories. i mean, you were quite critical of rishi sunak and the government in your resignation letter. i suppose the general impression that people were given you might have given was that you might have been.i given was that you might have been. i appreciate you resign, but you might have been forced out because you were right wing. >> actually, i think that is my assessment of it actually , or assessment of it actually, or too honest. >> you know, i approach the role as home secretary as a privilege. it's always a privilege. it's always a privilege to take these jobs . privilege to take these jobs. and i wanted to make a difference . i really wanted to difference. i really wanted to do what was necessary to stop the boats, because i know the british people really care about that. i really wanted to limit legal migration, ian. i really wanted improve policing and wanted to improve policing and i saw it as an opportunity to be really honest, for the british people, even if that was going to be difficult, even if that might me unpopular. and i might make me unpopular. and i think jarred with the prime think that jarred with the prime minister and ultimately we had too disagreements on policy too many disagreements on policy , whether it relating to , whether it was relating to migration , policing or other

migration, policing or other other matters . and so, you know, other matters. and so, you know, a working relation can't working relationship can't really survive in those circumstances . survive in those circumstances. >> i mean, it was kind of preluded by a pretty difficult week for you. you were criticised for your comments about homelessness and sort of likening a lifestyle likening it to a lifestyle choice . you were criticised for choice. you were criticised for saying that the police had played favourites when it came to the pro—palestinian marches. do you regret any of that? in hindsight? >> well, what i would is >> well, what i would say is i mean, i didn't say that homelessness is a lifestyle choice. what i actually said was that people who are homeless require a huge amount of compassion and support , and compassion and support, and that's i'm really proud that that's why i'm really proud that we massive package of we have a massive package of holistic resources to help people who fall on hard times and who need support to get back on track with their lives , on track with their lives, whether it's to deal with their mental health problems, to deal with addiction problems , to deal with addiction problems, to deal with addiction problems, to deal with housing or employment matters there's there's matters. there's but there's also element that can't also an element that we can't shy from, which is that shy away from, which is that there's a cohort of people who

are refused ing offers of accommodation by the council. >> they are therefore choosing to be homeless, who are using tents for criminal ity, such as prostitution or drug dealing, and who are causing anti—social behaviour and criminal in their communities. >> i've seen it in my community, in my constituency. the council has worked for years to try and get these people off the streets. offers of accommodation repeatedly, offers of help, refused time and time again and in those circumstance announces a firm. but fair approach is needed. and i think that's another example of where honest we can sometimes get you into trouble. >> i mean, with regard to the police, is it right for a home secretary to be that critical of the police and how they're carrying out operations, owns the met? >> well, again, don't think >> well, again, i don't think i actually you know, actually did. you know, interfere in any operational decisions as playing favourites. >> you still stand by that. do you think they are playing favourites and that their favourites and that their favourite izing, guess

favourite izing, i guess pro—palestine over and israelis? >> well, what we've seen and let's the facts, is now let's look at the facts, is now months hateful marches taking months of hateful marches taking place as a regular fixture on the streets of britain. we've seen people chanting jihad and the police turning a blind eye. we've seen very many different reasons for, uh, explanations for jihad . for jihad. >> apparently that was a low point for me when the met police came out and justify did the chanting of jihad . chanting of jihad. >> they had some people who were extremist. it's actually advising them in the heart of their team. we've seen london and other cities become no go areas for jewish people. and other cities become no go areas forjewish people. now on areas for jewish people. now on areas for jewish people. now on a regular basis, we've seen flagrant and brazen anti—semitism , which has now anti—semitism, which has now become normalised. >> so should these marches have been stopped? should they be stopped? you've got this sort of tug of war going on, as far as i can tell, between the met police saying, oh, well, we can't stop them. government's them. and the government's saying, yeah, you can. you have got have got the got the power. have they got the power them? power to stop them? >> yes. the law is very clear

that this is a decision that has to be initiated the met to be initiated by the met police and so when home police and so when i was home secretary, in a real secretary, i was in a real tussle the police. tussle with the police. >> so are you saying to mark rowley, you've got to stop these marches? and saying what? marches? and he's saying what? >> that view >> i made it clear that my view was march should not was that the march should not have gone ahead on armistice day, that of deep reverence, day, that day of deep reverence, national was almost national significance was almost sacrosanct. but in general, i mean, is there an argument to say, made your say, look, you've made your point you be marching point now you should be marching at think actually, there is >> i think actually, there is there is a case for giving ministers the home secretary, more powers to ban a march. >> what happened was i was powerless law. didn't have powerless in law. i didn't have a power to ban that march. on armistice day. it was down to the met police. i believe they made the wrong decision. i said so, but we've heard this quite a lot. >> i mean, even under cressida dick's reign, idea the dick's reign, this idea that the police and home office are police and the home office are somehow at loggerheads is that the reality of the situation at times? >> actually, no. a very >> actually, no. i had a very good relationship with good working relationship with the and i'm except the police, and i'm except on this police. except on the police, and i'm except on this issue, police. except on the police, and i'm except on this issue, pifelte. except on the police, and i'm except on this issue, pifelt i except on the police, and i'm except on this issue, pifelt i needed>n the police, and i'm except on this issue, pifelt i needed to that issue, i felt i needed to speak for british people

speak up for the british people and honest about it. i backed and be honest about it. i backed the police with one of the largest pay settlements that they police on they got. i backed the police on improving powers when it improving their powers when it came to disciplining rogue police officers. i increased their powers when it came to protesters and militant disruptors on our streets. so i was pro police as a home secretary but i also felt that the quid pro quo for that was also to challenge them. when they were getting it wrong. >> um, have you spoken to rishi sunak since you left office? >> um, that's a good question . i >> um, that's a good question. i don't don't think so. no. don't i don't think so. no. >> your resignation >> and in your resignation letter, talked about someone >> and in your resignation letter, to talked about someone >> and in your resignation letter, to be (ed about someone >> and in your resignation letter, to be honest.it someone >> and in your resignation letter, to be honest. your1eone >> and in your resignation letter, to be honest. your plant needing to be honest. your plan is have endured is not working. we have endured record election defeats. your resets have failed, and we are running out of time. need to running out of time. you need to change course urgently. what does that mean? change course. change leader. i mean, what did you make for instance? because it was almost like your resignation letter was a forerunner for simon clark's op ed telegraph week, ed in the telegraph last week, calling sunak step down calling for sunak to step down and be replaced. does he need to step replaced ? step down and be replaced? >> the prime minister is not

going anywhere . rishi sunak going anywhere. rishi sunak going anywhere. rishi sunak going be leading us into the going to be leading us into the general election, but what i do believe strongly is that and every poll that we see day after day is confirming it is that we're heading to an almighty defeat. i'm very concerned about that. we are we are at this stage going to lose a lot of brilliant tory mps. and i'm very worried about that. i believe the prime minister does need to change course. i believe he needs to. >> what though? exactly. >> what though? exactly. >> so, for example, on the rwanda bill, i believe that he needed to introduce a law that would work, that would would actually work, that would actually what was necessary , actually do what was necessary, might be difficult or controversial , but necessary controversial, but necessary to block off the claims from people that prevent us from deporting them. uh, deal with . the them. uh, deal with. the european court of strasbourg and human rights, which has stopped us from sending flights to rwanda. unrwa fortunately, and we strenuously to improve we tried strenuously to improve the bill. the prime minister, why do you think that he refused your attempts ? um, you'd have to

your attempts? um, you'd have to ask him what your version of events . i ask him what your version of events. i think ask him what your version of events . i think that, ask him what your version of events. i think that, you ask him what your version of events . i think that, you know, events. i think that, you know, there's a there's a sense in government that we have to compromise and tweaking is sufficient isn't. >> why do they why do you think the government needs to compromise? are they kowtowing to the one nation caucus? does he your attempts to he think that your attempts to strengthen too strengthen the bill are too right wing? what's what's the truth it? truth of it? >> mean, i think that, um, you >> i mean, i think that, um, you know, we were proposing to know, what we were proposing to the rwanda bill was to exclude issued claims , pretty issued individual claims, pretty much, uh , you know, totally. and much, uh, you know, totally. and then also so prevent the strasbourg court from actually blocking flights from taking off. um, that would have been somewhat controversial amongst the international community, amongst, uh, certain sectors, the legal community, for example . and i think that there's a sense that we don't want to upset certain certain groups. i mean, is there an argument and it's a little bit sort of shades of brexit, but that a bill is better than no bill? i would have said that a few years ago,

but we're now on our third bill. we passed the nationality and borders act um, and that fell short and didn't work. we passed the illegal migration act. i introduced that i had to accept compromises and i'm afraid that's fallen short . we've now that's fallen short. we've now introduced a third bill, and i'm afraid it won't stop the boats. it won't fix this problem because it falls short. and i wasn't willing to bite my tongue . on another occasion and just wave this thing through . wave this thing through. >> so when this bill comes back to the commons, how will you vote? well i've already voted against it. so you so i've lodged my opposition to it. >> i don't believe it will work. and i'm not willing to be complicit in a sham. i believe that the british people deserve better. >> so you'll vote against. >> so you'll vote against. >> i don't know how i'll vote in subsequent matters. i think that's actually immaterial. i've. i've taken the very difficultit at third reading. against it at third reading. i think that's a very strong sign, uh, of my concerns about the bill. and i think, you know,

it's going to go through ultimately . and, you know, time ultimately. and, you know, time will tell whether it's going to be a success or not. when sir simon clarke went over the top, so to speak, were you cheering him on or having grave reservations about he did? reservations about what he did? listen know that simon listen i didn't know that simon was going to say what he was going say and i have a huge going to say and i have a huge amount of respect and admiration for simon. he's incredibly for simon. he's an incredibly brave again, plain speaking brave and again, plain speaking and honest politician. he's also one of the nicest people you'll meet in parliament, quite supportive of him. >> then, because obviously >> then, because he obviously got from other got a lot of flak from other tories whatsapp groups, tories in whatsapp groups, saying, know, this was saying, you know, this was absolute madness. um, there's you replace prime you can't replace a prime minister close to the minister now this close to the next election . i mean, next general election. i mean, what do you think? can you replace minister this replace a prime minister this close next general election? >> as i think that's a >> as i said, i think that's a pointless question. that's not going to happen. i would going to happen. no, i would like answer to it, though. like an answer to it, though. rishi is going to be our rishi sunak is going to be our prime into the next prime minister into the next general election. okay. what general election. okay. but what i the about simon was i do admire the about simon was his courage out about his courage to speak out about a lot of anxieties many

lot of the anxieties that many tory feeling privately, tory mps are feeling privately, many our members feel many of many of our members feel many of our supporters feel, which is a real about the state of real anxiety about the state of the polls. we've got an open goal when it comes to fighting laboun goal when it comes to fighting labour. we're up against keir starmer, a man who who, uh, has absolute no principles whatsoever, who changes his mind on policy matters more than he changes his socks, who has no charisma, who would undo brexit, who would open our borders to millions of migrants from the eu? and we're 20 points behind him. >> well, that's inexcusable because you've talked about rishi sunak distinctive style of government . but equally, perhaps government. but equally, perhaps you think that the conservatives need to take the gloves off and take the fight to labour more and be more aggressive . absolutely. >> i really feel that we should, on migration, for example , have on migration, for example, have chosen tough , hard, hard chosen the tough, hard, hard headed and necessary measures on the rwanda bill and actually forced labour to, uh, uh, to oppose our, our measures. i

think on legal migration again , think on legal migration again, uh, the prime minister has resisted my attempts for a year. i pleaded with him. we need a cap. so are you saying that if the rwanda bill comes back, not least if it's been amended in the lords and all the rest of it? >> it hasn't been strengthened as you and robert jenrick and other colleagues had advised. you're that boats you're saying that the boats won't that we will won't stop and that we will continue situation continue to have a situation where judges where foreign, foreign judges can sort of overturn domestic legislation, then afraid legislation, then i'm afraid that diagnosis. that is my diagnosis. >> after served as home >> after having served as home secretary and attorney general and worked in the field of and also worked in the field of immigration law for a decade as a barrister. this bill, while it may get a token flight off here and there, but in order to actually deliver a deterrent effect, we need a large number of flights taking off regularly with a high number of passengers. but then this isn't helpful, is it? >> to as you say, a prime minister who's tanking in the polls? we saw from a ipso ipsos mori survey in the week that only 20% of voters are satisfied

with him, compared to the 31% that were satisfied with john major before 1997. and we know how that turned out. but then campaign director isaac levido has said , i think probably quite has said, i think probably quite wisely, to tory mps, it's a case of unite or die. so you have to unite, don't you? and yet we hean unite, don't you? and yet we hear, you know, your caucus of mps on the right and others are constantly agitating. perhaps you argue that you're the you could argue that you're the wreckers here. you're the ones making rishi making it difficult for rishi sunak. >> e“- sunak. >> think genuine >> listen, i think genuine disagreement on policy , um, and disagreement on policy, um, and expressing those disagreements , expressing those disagreements, that's is what a politician's job is . that's not infighting or job is. that's not infighting or disunity . i job is. that's not infighting or disunity. i can't job is. that's not infighting or disunity . i can't slavishly disunity. i can't slavishly support something. i fundamentally disagree with. the british people deserve more than that. they deserve honest politicians. and i've tried as home secretary and i'll continue to being honest . what's the to being honest. what's the price for british people telling them where things are going wrong, urging the government to take to change course? because i want this conservative government to win. i want us to

beat keir starmer and i want us to deliver for the british people on migration, on policing, on extremism , um, on policing, on extremism, um, on pubuc policing, on extremism, um, on public safety. >> what's the price of honesty, though? because we've seen in the freer having to the week, mike freer having to stand the mp for golders stand down as the mp for golders green, received green, he said he'd received death know have death threats. i know you have a huge amount of abuse, abuse on social media. um, what is the current situation as far as you're concerned? have you got more since you stepped more abuse since you stepped down? what's like ? do you down? what's life like? do you receive threats ? receive death threats? >> personally, would say that >> personally, i would say that on mike i think it's a on mike freer. i think it's a damning indictment our damning indictment on on our society that one of the most upstanding and honourable members of our government and parliament has been hounded out of office because of islamism and extremism and anti—semitism and extremism and anti—semitism and homophobia. but have you been on the receiving end of similar threats, of course, and still now mean more than ever, or yes, on a daily basis? >> and how do you cope with that? >> listen, i mean, i am it unfortunately, it is um, the

bread and butter of, uh, life in the public eye. >> but do you have to have protection now? because i know you leave office and you don't necessarily have protection. have you had to retain some? >> have, >> i have, yes. >> did you expect to have to do that? >> no. usually home secretary is, lose their personal is, uh, lose their personal protection when they leave office. have been office. but but, uh, i have been , uh, assessed, and i'm very grateful to the parliamentary authorities who have afforded me ongoing protection . ongoing protection. >> let's just talk about this case, um, involving this chemical attack in clapham. i suppose the first question on people's lips is, how do we have a situation where somebody is convicted of a crime in this case a sex crime, and is still allowed, allowed to seek asylum in this country? would you like to see? i know the current rule is that if you're found guilty of something and you're put in prison a year or more, prison for a year or more, you're asylum claim can be reversed. indeed you be reversed. and indeed you can be deported. but shouldn't just deported. but shouldn't we just have rule that if have a blanket rule that if you're found guilty of any crime above notice,

above a fixed penalty notice, you're out. you're sent home. i agree, actually, and i think that this case illustrates major failings, and we need to wait for the review to confirm exactly what's gone wrong. >> but i think there are two elements here. there's the fact that we had a convicted sex offender who was allowed to stay in the country. we need to overhaul rules relating to overhaul the rules relating to that. secondly, think the that. and secondly, i think the church many answers, church has many answers, questions answer about the questions to answer about the role that they've played. >> i mean, presumably this explosion in people at the last minute, seemingly to minute, seemingly converting to christianity did while christianity did happen while you were at home secretary, as well recent times. it's well as in recent times. it's not just this case, but we've read of another couple in the papers morning. what's papers this morning. what's going on here? should people be allowed christianity as allowed to claim christianity as allowed to claim christianity as a reason for staying in the uk ? a reason for staying in the uk? >> should say this >> well, i should say this person was granted asylum. um, before was secretary . but before i was home secretary. but what seen and what what we've seen and what i became aware of was many churches around the country facilitating bogus asylum claims , effectively rubber stamping people who turn up to church and

say they want to convert to christianity. and that would be something that could bolster their asylum claim. >> so what should be done? i mean, there may well be some people who have legitimately converted christianity, and converted to christianity, and they fear they do legitimately fear persecution returned to persecution if they returned to their country. how can we their home country. how can we crack on this? can we crack down on this? how can we police this? >> well, when was home >> well, when i was home secretary, i set up a dedicated task force to look at some of the, uh, the dubious practices that are going on to enable bogus asylum claims, whether it's , uh, you know, a dodgy it's, uh, you know, a dodgy lawyers who facilitate fraudulent claims, uh, whether it's other so—called professionals , uh, enabling this professionals, uh, enabling this sordid business and with more reporting , sordid business and with more reporting, more sordid business and with more reporting , more investigations reporting, more investigations and tougher enforcement, uh, they can be rooted out. and we did see a few results. and that work. i urge the government to continue in earnest. but i do think as well, this thing about the church and what we've seen over the last few days raises serious questions about the figour serious questions about the

rigour with which the church is applying , uh, their, their, applying, uh, their, their, their processes. it's also a gross insult to those genuine christians who are devout and take their faith seriously when they see people traipse through they see people traipse through the church , each getting their the church, each getting their certificate of verification or their letter from the priest, only to disappear and get asylum. granted, i think it's a very, very sad state of affairs. >> i know you've also been critical of, um, people like archbishop of canterbury justin welby sort of intervening on the rwanda bill, just in a one word answer. should the clergy be intervening when it comes to political matters like rwanda? >> everyone can express >> listen, everyone can express themselves, but i do think that, uh , in some of these very uh, in some of these very important debates where issues like national security , public like national security, public safety, border control are, uh, are raised that, uh, should well be be commenting , yes or no. be be commenting, yes or no. a bit more deference to government

and executive decision making is expected. >> and let's just end on your own leadership hopes. if you still have them, there's a more in common poll out today suggesting penny mordaunt suggesting that penny mordaunt is replace is the favourite to replace rishi sunak. if or when the time comes, it says here, in blow comes, it says here, in a blow to suella braverman, a poll found she highly found that she is highly polarising . while 25% of 2019 polarising. while 25% of 2019 tory voters said she would make a good leader, beating kemi badenoch by 1.53% said she would make a bad leader. do these sorts of polls affect your sort of future hopes of one day leading the tory party >> my goodness. uh, listen, i'm you know, i served as home secretary . i grateful for that secretary. i grateful for that opportunity . i'm. secretary. i grateful for that opportunity. i'm. i'm here. really to champion conservative values. >> but does that mean at the helm one day? >> well, i'm not going to make any comment on what might happen in future, but you're not in the future, but you're not ruling it out. i can tell i'm there's no leadership election. what we do face a general what we do face is a general election. moment. we're election. at the moment. we're heading for almighty heading for an almighty defeat. my heading for an almighty defeat. my to do whatever my objective is to do whatever it takes to avert that. and i want to encourage the prime

minister course, minister to change course, whatever takes. so, yeah, i whatever it takes. so, yeah, i want us some policies, want to us adopt some policies, potentially leadership potentially a leadership challenge. no, absolutely not. no. i mean, listen, there is going to be no leadership challenge to rishi sunak before the general election when he's heading us, uh, under fortunately right now to a defeat, need to do everything defeat, we need to do everything we avoid that. let's get we can to avoid that. let's get some policies that actually deliver for the british people. lowering stop arming lowering migration. stop arming the boats, getting some common sense policing, and actually restoring britain to the rightful place that it deserves . rightful place that it deserves. >> it's a good place to end. i think. suella braverman, thank you indeed for joining you very much indeed for joining me. morning. more to me. this morning. still more to come. to be speaking come. i'm going to be speaking to former tory to lord farmer, the former tory donon to lord farmer, the former tory donor, him whether donor, and asking him whether the become family the tory party has become family unfriendly. tuned

joining me now is former defence

secretary and my fellow gb news host michael portillo. michael, what's your take on suella bravermans comments earlier on the i'll be intrigued to the show? i'll be intrigued to know . know. >> good morning camilla. well more anything that she more than anything that she said, was by her said, i was struck by her manner. she is a conviction politician . she is someone who politician. she is someone who states clearly what she believes. she is very brave . the believes. she is very brave. the subject of the need for bravery amongst politicians is very much in the air at the moment, as we are seeing people being harassed out of public life and suella braverman is a sticker. it's quite interesting to contrast her, i think, with rishi sunak orjeremy hunt. i mean, she just feels like a different sort of politician altogether. and following the election defeat, which i'm sure is what's going to happen, it will depend on what is the composition of the parliamentary conservative party as to whether they go for a conviction. politician like suella braverman or not. they also have kemi badenoch and penny mordaunt to choose from, who i think are also women, and conviction politicians, so that

is a very interesting choice. but of course, if the result of the defeat is that they go down to 160 members of parliament and many of those are in the middle of the party, there may be none of the party, there may be none of those women will be the choice after all. >> and thank you very much, michael. and conservative peer and party and former conservative party treasurer joins me treasurer lord farmer, joins me in moment. now really in just a moment. now i'm really interested, actually, just to contextualise your point is contextualise what your point is on tories and family. contextualise what your point is on tories and family . just on the tories and family. just if don't mind me asking if you don't mind me asking about your family because you had uke about your family because you had like me. i grew up had a bit like me. i grew up with an alcoholic mother. know with an alcoholic mother. i know that were that both of your parents were alcoholic, would imagine alcoholic, and i would imagine that when it comes to you calling now for family friendly tax policies, particularly in the tory party that must have been born out of your experience having quite a difficult childhood well. childhood as well. >> i would say definitely. >> well, i would say definitely. um you know, my father died when i was four of apparently a fall when he was drunk and, uh, uh, i think there may, you know, there

may be some story at the back of that which i'm not aware of, but my sister and i, um, grew up . we my sister and i, um, grew up. we went from reasonably well off to bankruptcy to, uh, what happens to poverty, neglect and shame? shame is a big thing. and um, my mother was . alcoholic. she mother was. alcoholic. she struggled . she wasn't healthy. struggled. she wasn't healthy. and she actually did rather well. and it was when i was about 15 that instead of being frightened of her in a way , um, frightened of her in a way, um, and, and living in a background of chaos, i was actually at a state boarding school in a grammar school which had stability, whereas my sister didn't, um , but, um , it was when didn't, um, but, um, it was when i was about 15 that it sort of had a little contretemps with her when watching tv and she was drunk and she was calling me four letter words and things, but, um, i, i suddenly felt sorry for her. and at that point it sort of the relationship

changed and i realised that the problems were there, that problems that were there, that were facing us all, and i think that sort of coloured my view ever since that she needed help and she needed , uh, some and she needed, uh, some sensible care and strength behind her. >> i know you're a rishi sunak supporter. i mean, what do you make of the current state of things? his polling is terrible. his approval rating is worse. i think , than johnson's during think, than johnson's during partygate , but he's never been partygate, but he's never been seen as more competent. would you believe, than liz truss? but the party should stick with him. or should they, lord farmer? >> well, i think we have to and i mean, i you know, i know rishi, uh, he works very hard. >> he's very detailed. i think he's done quite a lot good he's done quite a lot of good things. um, he hasn't maybe got out there and taken it to laboun he out there and taken it to labour. he he isn't fighting laboun labour. he he isn't fighting labour. it's difficult to fight labour. it's difficult to fight labour when they have no policies to fight. i mean they're very canny . i think, you they're very canny. i think, you

know , they got the policy on know, they got the policy on aspiration where they're going to put vat on school fees. but i mean apart from that, what else are they going to do. so um, i think it's difficult to fight, but i mean, if he takes the our recommendations on families and other retail policies , um, we've other retail policies, um, we've still got months before the election . things change around election. things change around very, very quickly . and very, very quickly. and actually, starmer and the labour party, what are they offering ? yeah. >> you know, so take the fight to labour as your conclusion. >> take the fight to labour with retail policies like a family budget. brilliant >> lord farmer, thank you very much indeed forjoining us this much indeed for joining us this morning. former party treasurer gb news shareholder and supporter and supporter. thank you very much

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>> good evening. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom . our top in the gb newsroom. our top stories tonight. the police watchdog has launched an investigation following a crash on the m25 , which happened after on the m25, which happened after a police pursuit. officers from hertfordshire constabulary were following a van at around 4 a.m, but they were stood down before the collision. the van went on to hit three other vehicles and a woman was killed. police say her family is being supported by specially trained officers . now specially trained officers. now a £20,000 reward is being offered for information that may lead to the arrest of a suspected chemical attacker . new