strikes against the houthis should be put to a parliamentary vote. yes or no.7 that should be put to a parliamentary vote. yes or no? that is dividing opinion. also so concern is raising again around president biden. have you seen these latest clips. he gets so confused that he can't even remember the name of hamas. don't forget we are kind of centimetres away from these guys when it comes to walking into conflicts. is biden making the world more unsafe? also as well? it's been suggested now that people refusing to pay child maintenance should be subject to curfews enforced by electronic tags, passport restrictions and driving restrictions . would you driving restrictions. would you support that? and is it a slippery slope if you enforce those measures for this? how long before it's applied to other things? and i promise yesterday, didn't it, i would come back to this tonight. what should official retirement should the official retirement age in this country ? we it's

age be in this country? we it's been suggested that soon it might need to be 71 years of age. you support that . i've got age. you support that. i've got all that to come and more. i also want to ask you about tucker carlson interviewing vladimir putin. have you seen that that i can tell you now has divided opinion. peter hitchens , divided opinion. peter hitchens, aaron bastani will be with me getting stuck into all of it. but before we do, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's 6:00 news. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, police hunting a suspected chemical attacker. say he was in a relationship with the victim . relationship with the victim. new video has been released of abdul azizi. nearly a week after a corrosive liquid was thrown at a corrosive liquid was thrown at a woman in south london. police say she'd agreed to meet him on the day of the attack, and they believe a breakdown in their relationship may have been a motive. the 31 year old mother,

who may lose the sight in her right eye, remains sedated in hospital . the met police hospital. the met police commander, john saville, says hundreds of calls have been received from the public about the suspect, who's also injured . the suspect, who's also injured. >> significant what appears to be burn mark on his face. now we have, through the ncaa, been in contact with medical experts about what the impact of that will be. clearly, without any medical intervention , that could medical intervention, that could prove to be very serious if not fatal, infection as an obvious thing that could possibly happen, which is why you know, i am appealing to abdul that he needs to come forward to get that medical attention and to hand himself in. >> the prime minister has been accused of letting parts of the country go without basic dental care. sir keir starmer claims the nhs has been neglect by the conservatives, while they've beenin conservatives, while they've been in power. it's after the government announced a new plan to boost the number of appointments across england by offering to pay dentists for every new nhs patient . speaking

every new nhs patient. speaking to gb news, shadow health secretary wes streeting says the government's taken too long to take action when it's the worst of all worlds . of all worlds. >> terrible for patients and we've heard some horrific examples of diy dentistry, but also bad for taxpayers because if you don't get there early with dental problems and regularly maintaining your teeth and looking after them, you end up with conditions that take you to a&e, which costs an arm and a leg for the nhs to deal with in hospital. so it's bad for patients and bad for the taxpayer. and frankly, after 14 years conservative years of conservative government promising the nhs promising to reform the nhs dentistry contract back in 2010, what we got today was too little, too late. >> wes streeting now rishi sunak has refused to apologise for making a reference to sir keir starmer stance on transgender people in the commons. the mother of brianna ghey, the murdered trans teenager, was in the commons during prime minister's questions today. rishi sunak has been criticised for making a jibe about sir keir starmer's position on gender issues . number 10 insists it was

issues. number 10 insists it was a legitimate critique of the labour leader's stance on the correct definition of a woman. the chancellor, jeremy hunt, told gb news the prime minister was highlighting sir keir starmer's indecisiveness . starmer's indecisiveness. >> the prime minister was saying today, apart from showing enormous respect for brianna, grey's mother and the incredible dignity that she has shown in the face of unspeakable tragedy, was that labour cannot make its mind up about really important issues . issues. >> jeremy hunt, now the former p0p >> jeremy hunt, now the former pop star and paedophile gary glitter has been denied parole, with his victim's lawyer saying they're glad the parole board has done the right thing. glitter real name paul gadd, was jailed for 16 years in 2015 for sexually abusing three girls between 1975 and 1980. he was automatically released last year after serving half of his sentence, but was put back behind bars less than six weeks

later after he breached his licence. one victim's lawyer said they hoped glitter would now serve his full sentence , now serve his full sentence, adding it was completely unfair that our client had to endure this glitter parole circus over and over again . downing street and over again. downing street has confirmed rishi sunak will continue to have his weekly audience with the king, but it will be conducted by phone following his majesty's cancer diagnosis . meanwhile, the prince diagnosis. meanwhile, the prince of wales has made his first pubuc of wales has made his first public appearance since his father's condition was made public. he led an investiture ceremony handing out state honours such as obe and mbes at windsor castle today . prince windsor castle today. prince william's expected to carry out further royal duties in place of the king, along with support from the queen and princess anne, and finally us media personality tucker carlson is in moscow and says he plans to record an interview with vladimir putin, the former fox news host announced the interview late yesterday. in a short video posted to his social

media website and platform, he said he plans to expose what he called lies told by other media about russia, although he provided no evidence and falsely claimed that other journalists hadnt claimed that other journalists hadn't bothered to try to interview mr putin. many journalists pushing back on that and denying that online today, it comes as russia's detention of the american journalist evan gershkovitch reaches 315 days for the very latest news stories, do sign up for gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. this . thank com slash alerts. this. thank you very much for that, polly. >> i am michelle dewberry i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. and to my viewer, jack in blackpool, you've just written in saying that you watched my show every night, which i appreciate , but you've which i appreciate, but you've also i've come to also asked me why i've come to work a bathrobe tonight. work wearing a bathrobe tonight. just absolutely clear , i'm just to be absolutely clear, i'm not a bathrobe. neither

not wearing a bathrobe. neither is because i we're is polly, because i think we're dressed tonight. dressed quite similar tonight. i can't fashion, jackie. can't explain fashion, jackie. we or you don't, my we forget it. or you don't, my friend. anyway on. i'll friend. anyway moving on. i'll tell you who's keeping me company seven. i've company tonight till seven. i've got. for you. the got. what a treat for you. the columnist the on columnist from the mail on sunday, hitchens, the sunday, peter hitchens, and the co—founder media, co—founder of novara media, aaron . good evening to both aaron bast. good evening to both of you . uh, neither of them in of you. uh, neither of them in their bath robes , in case you're their bath robes, in case you're wondering, you're wondering, if you're not watching you're listening to watching and you're listening to us radio, you know, the us on the radio, you know, the drill, don't you? you can in drill, don't you? you can get in touch in all the touch with us tonight in all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com. or you can zoomy kenners message saying, please, michelle, they only their name about only change their name about a year ago. stop calling it twitter. so you can text me at gb speaking of gb gb news. and speaking of getting touch with me, i've getting in touch with me, i've got nice from got some nice news from a panellist that did get in touch with me tonight. i speak about a man you'd familiar with man that you'd be familiar with our very own regular alex dean. look everybody. he look at this, everybody. he messaged today to say that he messaged me today to say that he and his wife have welcomed the arrival of a healthy baby boy . arrival of a healthy baby boy. so i just want to say congratulations to alex dean and

to his wife. and we wish the family all the very best of health and happiness in the years to come. maybe that's your baby's first appearance on national television. who knows ? national television. who knows? but wherever you are, i hope you're watching . uh, best of you're watching. uh, best of wishes to all of you guys. uh, now , let's talk tv, shall we? now, let's talk tv, shall we? because did you see these scenes in bristol jail yesterday? and i'll describe it again, if you're just listening, i'll describe it again, if you're just listening , i'm you're just listening, i'm talking about the queue that was snaking around the block, basically, for people desperately trying to register with a new nhs , uh, dentist. with a new nhs, uh, dentist. interestingly enough, you know, this dentist, it used to be a bupa practice. bupa basically said they couldn't make it work. it wasn't viable. so it switched to an nhs one. i can tell to an nhs one. and i can tell you now, the demand was absolutely huge. anyway, today we've government plans. we've had the government plans. now the how they're now uh, that the how they're going dentistry in going to fix the dentistry in this the so—called this country, the so—called dental recovery plan, you won't be surprised to learn that it involves lots of money. now, there's things like £200 million. that's the figure. that's been floated around

peter. uh, £23,000 being offered to different dentists to open up in um areas where there's lots of demand, talk of teeth brushing services and all the rest of it within schools is this what we need to fix the problem? >> i doubt it will fix the problem. i think anyone would be against doing as much as you can to repair the terrible mess of the nhs dental service , but it the nhs dental service, but it seems to go very deep to me that i think that problems many years ago about the contract which dentists were invited to sign if they wanted to be in the nhs , they wanted to be in the nhs, they wanted to be in the nhs, the dentists didn't like it and i think that's why lot of them i think that's why a lot of them have have gone off. but the other thing is that dental treatment to do it treatment is expensive to do it properly. it's going to cost quite of money and we've quite a bit of money and we've created the idea in this, in this country that medical treatment is free at the point of use at something we haven't extended to dentistry, as far as i know, in my lifetime. um, and people are are scared by the amounts of money they have to

pay amounts of money they have to pay for a basic medical treatment. i don't see how we're going to sort this out, particularly given the very big problems of children's diets these days in which so many children are crammed with sugar from very early on in their lives and pretty much start their lives with, with serious decay in their milk teeth, which they then continue when their second teeth come in. i think it's a huge crisis, and it reflects one of the things i go on about all the time. this country is much poorer than we think it is. it continues to behave as it's a rich country behave as if it's a rich country in terms of policy and statements and what we all believe ourselves . but in believe about ourselves. but in reality, of reality, it's for a lot of people. very poor country people. it's a very poor country with poor services with very poor services indeed. >> 4 children apparently >> 1 in 4 children apparently have decay in this have tooth decay in this country. so yeah, those figures absolutely eye—watering and absolutely are eye—watering and where are you? >> it's positive. what i >> i think it's positive. what i would in terms of the would say is in terms of the funding for all of this, i think children should not be losing out our local dentists was nhs . out our local dentists was nhs. it now of course, it became private now of course, my wife and i, we can we can pay the £35 or whatever is the

difference to go see the person for a check—up the hygienist obviously money anyway. um obviously cost money anyway. um hum. are people hum. um, but there are people out who are using same out there who are using the same practice. they might have 4 practice. they might have 3 or 4 kids, of sudden they can't kids, all of a sudden they can't afford to do private. they've got go somewhere else to find got to go somewhere else to find an dentist in the city. they an nhs dentist in the city. they can't. i think that's a real can't. and i think that's a real problem. children problem. is leaving children out in because people can in the cold, because people can say, well, look, it's your money. to work to pay money. you need to work to pay for these kinds services and for these kinds of services and so and forth. you can so on and so forth. you can agree that, but the agree with all that, but the point is that children should not be punished for the they should not be punished. rather, for financial circumstances should not be punished. rather, forwhich nancial circumstances should not be punished. rather, forwhich nancifind rcumstances should not be punished. rather, forwhich nancifind themselves. should not be punished. rather, forwthis nancifind themselves. should not be punished. rather, forwthis nan(very themselves. should not be punished. rather, forwthis nan(very elementary. and this is a very elementary part of children's health, as was highlighted labour was highlighted by labour recently, reason recently, the number one reason for children of a certain age to recently, the number one reason forin|ildren of a certain age to recently, the number one reason forin a&en of a certain age to recently, the number one reason forin a&e is)f a certain age to recently, the number one reason forin a&e is becauseiin age to recently, the number one reason forin a&e is because of age to recently, the number one reason forin a&e is because of tooth) be in a&e is because of tooth decay. ridiculous as that decay. as ridiculous as that sounds, again the sounds, one can again blame the parents. that's but the parents. that's fine, but the children the ones to children aren't the ones to blame, ones blame, and yet they're the ones that, frankly, have a health setback for the of setback often for the rest of their lives. >> um, adrian can i just >> um, adrian says, can i just say i've been to my excellent dentist yesterday in castle vale 7 dentist yesterday in castle vale ? and he said, and whilst there

they told me the biggest problem that is missed that they've got, um, is missed appointments. says you'll appointments. adrian says you'll never worst never guess, but the worst offenders are children's appointments. got to say, appointments. i've got to say, adrian, it's obviously not the kids that's missing those appointments, be appointments, is it? it'll be the parents guardians or the parents or guardians or whatever taking whatever not taking them. um, along brian says along to that. brian says dentistry been neglected for dentistry has been neglected for the of this years of the whole of this 14 years of this con. his words, um, government is an election coming now, the sticking plaster now, and the sticking plaster comes is too little, too comes out. it is too little, too late . the standards dentistry late. the standards of dentistry is appalling. late. the standards of dentistry is appalling . anyway, um , can is appalling. anyway, um, can you get in to see your dentist at. when was the last time you actually went? do you have regular check—ups ? are you that regular check—ups? are you that lucky? now? the british dental association, peter, they've basically said this is all about rearranging the deck chairs . and rearranging the deck chairs. and i was listening to a few interviews earlier on today from or with dentists, and i was struck by how much money was quite a key motivator for the dentists. they were talking about the package that they receive from the nhs versus what they receive from the private sector , and of made me

sector, and it kind of made me think a little bit. do you go into dentistry for financial gain , or should it be a kind of gain, or should it be a kind of vocation that you're selecting for the greater good of trying to help people? >> well, i think you need to make make both of those things happen, don't you? you obviously people have to be good at the job dedicated it, but job and dedicated to it, but people are not going to do a job as difficult and demanding as that. with so much training attached so much equipment attached and so much equipment to other things to buy and all the other things which dentists have to do unless they're make some money they're going to make some money out it, there to be a out of it, there has to be a reward. you're not going get reward. you're not going to get it for nothing. >> things and i know >> one of the things and i know my viewers, hear them all my viewers, i can hear them all the way from home. can hear the way from home. i can hear them and they'll be writing in and talking about and people will be talking about now there is this seemingly huge inequality , because when people inequality, because when people come economic migrants come over, um, economic migrants , refugees, whatever you want to call that are call these people that are coming on these dinghies, one of the things that we will always hean the things that we will always hear, they'll arrive hear, you know, they'll arrive in stockholm and in the bibby stockholm and they'll have this nhs check—up, they'll have this nhs check—up, they'll have this nhs check—up,

they'll have dentistry they'll have a dentistry check—up and a real check—up. and there's a real sense there that there is sense out there that there is this kind of quite strong inequality where in this country we pay our taxes , we contribute we pay our taxes, we contribute to the system, we cannot access this stuff. but people who don't play by this stuff. but people who don't play by the rules but perhaps shouldn't here. they get shouldn't be here. they get given that stuff almost as a welcome gift immediately, almost on arrival. >> i mean, i don't know about that. i mean, i that's something i genuinely don't know about. the extent which teeth the extent to which their teeth would know, would be looked after, you know, so, for instance, if a child needs filling or whatever, needs a filling or whatever, parents pay towards parents may have to pay towards it on. i don't know it and so on. so i don't know about what i would is about that. what i would say is that dentistry different to that dentistry is different to the of the nhs. so much the rest of the nhs. and so much as significant amounts of money are involved, have been are involved, and they have been for long time and like i for a very long time and like i say, for me, if you're trying to build a consensus a sort build a consensus around a sort of here, it of minimal agenda here, it should i think, should be, i think, um, incontrovertible that children should have good dental care regardless of their economic background , and they don't. so background, and they don't. so clearly something's going very badly wrong. if you want to say after 18, look, mate, you're on

your necessarily after 18, look, mate, you're on your with necessarily after 18, look, mate, you're on your with that. necessarily after 18, look, mate, you're on your with that. inecessarily after 18, look, mate, you're on your with that. i agree,arily after 18, look, mate, you're on your with that. i agree, for( agree with that. i agree, for instance, that, um, pregnant women shouldn't have to pay, but if want to say that, okay, if you want to say that, okay, i get it. but children shouldn't be as a result. and be suffering as a result. and right now, from the state, i'm not saying that as not just saying that as a talking point to people up. talking point to wind people up. they to be the principle they do seem to be the principle people missing right now people missing out right now because now we can say because of this. now we can say that refugees will ever get a certain level that certain level of care that creates a sort of perceived inequality. i just don't think that's i think, that's the case. i think, broadly , everybody broadly speaking, everybody is getting bad service, getting really bad service, and i don't know i don't know if there's a question for you, michelle, for and peter. do we have enough dentists in this country? should country? because it should be a very middle class job. very well paid middle class job. um, i presume, like um, but i presume, like everything else, there probably is something of shortage. i is something of a shortage. i imagine there imagine that there is. >> find it quite >> and i do find it quite interesting which vocations >> and i do find it quite interestchoose ch vocations >> and i do find it quite interestchoose and ocations >> and i do find it quite interestchoose and why. ins >> and i do find it quite interestchoose and why. and when people choose and why. and when people choose and why. and when people make this vocational choice , is dentist the kind choice, is the dentist the kind of that you that you grow of thing that you that you grow up saying, when i grow up, i want be dentist at no idea. want to be a dentist at no idea. >> so it didn't happen to me. thoughi >> so it didn't happen to me. though i did have a great

grandfather who was a dentist, but no had no but i've had no i've had no hereditary twinges desire to hereditary twinges of desire to drill holes in other people's teeth. i was talking the other day to a, to a surgeon who said that he, he had when he first started doing it, he felt that he was doing something that he'd always done. and undoubtedly some medical practices are very vocational, but i just don't know what is absolutely certain. as i say, if this is in terms of dentistry, this is a poor country and the way in which we behave, particularly abroad these days , prancing around the these days, prancing around the world as if we were a great power is totally out of step. well, we're going to come on. i know. well, i think it's. yeah these things for me are inability to look after our, our nation's teeth has a lot to do with our desire to pretend to be a great power. >> see, he's teed my next conversation for me very conversation up for me very nicely , because i do want to nicely, because i do want to talk to you after the break about who do we actually think we are when it comes to our foreign and, um, defence or

foreign and, um, defence or foreign it foreign attack strategy when it comes to these attacks? for example, in the red sea, do you think that we have to be going to parliament to put it to a vote to see whether or not we should be continuing this? i also to ask as well, given also want to ask as well, given that we seem to follow joe biden, uh, inches from his biden, uh, inches away from his backside these kind backside into these kind of conflicts, do you think he conflicts, etc. do you think he is to be president? i'll be is safe to be president? i'll be showing him after showing some clips of him after the break. i'll talk to you in two.

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gb news. com see you there. >> hello there, i'm michelle dewberry keeping you company till seven alongside with the columnist of the mail on sunday, peter hitchens, and the co—founder novara media, co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. now, if you just heard that little clip there, rishi sunak. uh, yes, indeed, we are doing the people's forum. do you live in the north east? if you live in the north east? if you do come along and if you don't, you know what you've got legs, you've got wheels, you can travel, you're all welcome. i will there. and i'm very much will be there. and i'm very much looking forward it's your looking forward to it. it's your opportunity put your opportunity to put your questions the prime minister. questions to the prime minister. it's not about talking to it's not about us talking to him. it's about you doing it. whip your telephone, up whip out your telephone, open up your take a picture your camera and take a picture of qr code on the screen of that qr code on the screen and it will tell you all the details that need to know. i details that you need to know. i for one, very much looking for one, i'm very much looking forward it. anyway, speaking forward to it. anyway, speaking of minister rishi of that, prime minister rishi sunak, he is now calls to sunak, he is now facing calls to essentially give mps a vote on whether or not we should conduct any more strikes against the houthis over in the red sea. let me just listen. sorry. let me just play a clip of him

justifying , um, these strikes justifying, um, these strikes over the last month, we've seen a significant increase in the number of houthi attacks on commercial shipping in the red sea that's putting innocent lives at risk. >> it's disrupting the global economy. and it's also so destabilising the region. and in that time , we've also seen the that time, we've also seen the single biggest attack back on a navy warship, a british navy warship that we've seen in decades. and it's why i made the decision with allies to take what i believe to be necessary, proportionate and targeted action against military targets to degrade and disrupt houthi capability. we won't hesitate to protect lives and ensure the safety of commercial shipping . safety of commercial shipping. >> uh, one of my viewers, john, says. of course it doesn't need a vote. they're attacking uk ships in international waters. this piracy, and this is piracy, terrorism and much , says john. these much worse, says john. these guys want wiping out by anyone who's got the guts to do so . hm. who's got the guts to do so. hm. peter hitchens, where are you on this? >> well, the saudis tried for

eight years to, to use that phrase , wipe them out. phrase, wipe them out. >> and didn't merely just totally fail to wipe them out , totally fail to wipe them out, but they grew stronger during that period. they'd been bombed and attacked and pounded for year upon year upon year. and they're stronger . and when this they're stronger. and when this first began and i said , first began and i said, actually, i don't think this is actually, i don't think this is a good idea, people said, but we have to do something. well, partly this is something be partly this is something must be done syndrome where a problem anses done syndrome where a problem arises and somebody says, this is what we should do. so you'll say, right, that's something we'll do that . and no one we'll do that. and no one thinks, well, will it work ? but thinks, well, will it work? but what i thought at the time and people who knew the area assured me of this was it was very unlikely to work and therefore to justify it on the basis that it was a response we had to do. something wasn't very clever. if you if you're going to do something it, you something about it, then you should do something that will make the second thing make it work. the second thing is, are vastly overrating is, are we vastly overrating this? the british ship which was recently very likely recently struck is very likely damaged us will

damaged it. a lot of us will remember what a couple of years ago when a ship ran aground in the suez canal and we were told that world trade would effectively we effectively stop. we didn't. we overestimate power of the overestimate the power of the houthis block international houthis to block international trade well. the response trade as well. the response seemed to be both idiotic , seemed to me to be both idiotic, because the outcome was likely to be that it didn't achieve what it was, what it was supposed to achieve, and the reason for it seemed to me to be weak. and this ought to have been debated in the house of commons. now, if somebody comes along and threatens this country to this country or to attack this country or attacks country, then attacks this country, then also you call the you don't you don't call the house and them house of commons and ask them whether you defend the whether you can defend the country. defend the country country. you defend the country straight areas straight away. but in areas like this it's very long this where it's a very long distance and where the distance away and where the outcome what we're outcome of what we're doing needs thought about needs to be thought about carefully, there's nothing absolutely no done in absolutely no harm done in in calling commons, absolutely no harm done in in calli|since commons, absolutely no harm done in in calli|since the commons, absolutely no harm done in in calli|since the iraq commons, absolutely no harm done in in calli|since the iraq war,�*nmons, absolutely no harm done in in calli|since the iraq war, there's ever since the iraq war, there's been a great feeling in this country that we need to be asked before committing ourselves to wars, politicians have a wars, because politicians have a habit of committing country habit of committing this country to and david to stupid wars and david cameron, who's now foreign secretary reasons which

secretary for reasons which escape me, is responsible for the modern the stupidest war in modern british history in libya. and that should a guide to that that should be a guide to the rest of us. just how very much we need to question these decisions when they're when they're us. they're put before us. >> aaron, good old lord cameron and libya in 2015. >> couldn't more. peter. >> couldn't agree more. peter. look whole do something look the whole do something thing, do something. thing, we must do something. apparently in 2003, saddam hussein's must do hussein's awful. we must do something. well, saddam hussein was guy. guess what? isis was a bad guy. guess what? isis were you can always were worse. so you can always get . this a lesson i've get worse. this is a lesson i've learned i've older. learned as i've got older. i think generally applicable think it's generally applicable with get older. with people as they get older. don't presume that things can't get they can get worse, get worse. they can get worse, and we can make situation and we can make the situation worse doing what we're worse by doing what we're doing. i instructive that i think it's instructive that the saudis, the qataris, the uae aren't involved this because aren't involved in this because they probably understand that they probably understand that the houthis are a scorpion with a sting in their tail. the houthis are a scorpion with a sting in their tail . um, what a sting in their tail. um, what that means for the saudis, for the uae, for the qataris, is far more than us because of course, their drones, their medium range missiles can them, whereas missiles can hit them, whereas we're relatively we're we're relatively safe. we're thousands of thousands of miles away. of course, i with what peter

course, i agree with what peter is as with regards is saying as well with regards to if it's immediate to a vote. if it's immediate national security, course national security, of course you don't but this is don't need a vote, but this is literally the other side of the planet. i think you have have planet. i think you have to have a vote just a sensible, a vote just have a sensible, informed debate. and then finally, is this going help? finally, is this going to help? is to make the is this going to make the situation us? does situation better for us? does this national interest this serve our national interest 7 this serve our national interest ? see how it does . and i ? i don't see how it does. and i think we have to have a debate in parliament precisely because we now have a government we may now have a government embarking decisions embarking on a set of decisions which actually make the situation for our situation less safe for our sailors our ships , not more sailors and our ships, not more safe. and so i disagree with youn safe. and so i disagree with your, i'm sure, very learned. um, a viewer, i think we absolutely should put this to parliament. >> i've got to say it's viewers, plural. peter says the defence of our nation and shipping routes from which we all benefit absolutely must be protected. it should reliant on an should not be reliant on an overt. steve says , um, this overt. steve says, um, this voting, voting in parliament about whether or not we protect ships is ridiculous. if we are attacked, we retaliate. this is attacked, we retaliate. this is a no brainer. >> well, it is actually very

much a brainer because the what was what your correspondent is not noticing is that the action is wholly ineffective. so it's all very well saying we must act. but if when you act, you do absolutely no good at all and show yourself up be show yourself up to be powerless, then that's worse. >> would say you. >> then they would say to you. >> then they would say to you. >> then they would say to you. >> the other thing is, we're not. what is this? the not. what is this? we the aeroplanes send vast aeroplanes which we send vast expense from cyprus to bomb targets in the yemen could not reach their targets or be guided to their targets or effectively drop their weapons without the support of the american fleet, which is nearby. they couldn't do it. we haven't actually got a capacity of our own. we're simply acting yet again as the fifth wheel in an american car. ah, purpose there is not is not military. it's simply to give the americans some cover. so that it doesn't look as if the americans are acting on their own when are. own when they are. >> mentioned the americans. >> you mentioned the americans. actually, bring joe biden actually, let's bring joe biden into because there's been a into this because there's been a lot concern raised about lot of concern raised about joe biden whether he's biden and whether or not he's suitable leading the us at suitable to be leading the us at this moment in time. listen to

this. >> there's some movement , this. >> there's some movement, and i don't want to i don't want to. maybe choose my words. there's some movement. there's been an a response from . the the there's response from. the the there's been a response from the opposition. but but um, if yes, i'm sorry from hamas, but it seems to be uh , a little over seems to be uh, a little over the top now. >> so when i listen to that, i will confess i actually feel quite uncomfortable. i feel like i'm kind of stare ing into someone that's kind of losing their way a little bit. it makes me feel uncomfortable, and i don't like mocking it. it makes me feel quite mean, unnecessarily so to mock that. but this is not a normal average quy- but this is not a normal average guy. i'm not watching someone's, um, random grandad there. i'm literally watching the president of the united states . and then

of the united states. and then when you put that in that context, you know, you just have to be reminded that that you're talking about hamas. yeah is he safe be leading, um, the free safe to be leading, um, the free world? would say no, no, world? many would say no, no, i think that's quite clear. >> look, he's 81. um, and i have an immense respect for older people. i think most people out there watching, listening would say, know what? something say, you know what? something as gruelling like the gruelling as a job like the president united states, president of the united states, probably too old, but he's probably a bit too old, but he's clearly struggling. i think he's clearly struggling. i think he's clearly kind of clearly got some kind of cognitive . that's cognitive decline. that's obvious. what i'd say as obvious. and what i'd say as well is you're saying about not mocking it and i agree with that. undignified way go that. what undignified way to go out, a career out, because he's had a career in for decades. he's in politics for decades. he's got he's got kids, got family. he's got kids, grandkids . this is how he's grandkids. this is how he's going to be remembered , going to be remembered, especially if he has another time. he will be remembered as a laughing stock. and i don't blame him. i blame the democratic establishment who has him up there because frankly, if they don't run him, they don't have another candidate , maybe have another candidate, maybe gavin newsom. but i think, frankly , trump him. so

frankly, trump beats him. so biden is there because he suits certain interests and certain people who are waiting their proverbial turn. uh, let's have a crack at the whip because they don't have any one else. same with kamala harris. let's be honest. feel very sorry for honest. so i feel very sorry for him. to answer question him. and to answer your question bluntly, not be bluntly, he should not be anywhere power. peter anywhere near power. peter >> it is. it is very >> well, quite it is. it is very disturbing and it it makes you grieve to look at it . i always grieve to look at it. i always found joe biden likeable as a person , and it's no pleasure at person, and it's no pleasure at all to watch the decay. the pubuc all to watch the decay. the public decay of somebody like this. and i agree so much with aaron about the democratic party's cynicism in continuing to push him forward when it plainly would be both kinder and more responsible and politically wise to ask him to step down. it is extremely worrying. it also reflects quite badly on the american political system of an elected monarch , which i think elected monarch, which i think is, is not actually a very sensible way of running a

government. well, i mean , you government. well, i mean, you know, let's stick with america for a second, because you might be familiar with tucker carlson, and he is, of course, an american journalist. >> well, he has announced that he is going to interview vladimir putin now. he went into lots of reasons why. but let me just play you a little clip of it. >> two years into war, that's reshaping the entire world, most americans are not informed. they have no real idea what's happening in this region here in russia or 600 miles away in ukraine. but they should know they're paying for much of it in ways they might not fully yet perceive . perceive. >> well, you see, it's not just the american public that are paying the american public that are paying for that ongoing conflicts. it's of course, us here in britain. but that decision there to interview vladimir putin, it is upset. so many people think it's many people. people think it's appalling . it's akin appalling. it's akin to interviewing a hitler at points and so on and so forth. where are you on that piece? >> let me make a small technical point here. the once this country was at war with with

germany, then obviously it would be unthinkable for any british journalist to interview hitler. i believe there was a long penod i believe there was a long period when the united states was not at war with germany, and we were when american journalists did indeed interview hitler, their country wasn't at war with germany. germany was was then was quite possibly by then sinking american ships, for instance, is way beyond instance, which is way beyond what russia is, is doing now. i don't think that's a very good argument to say that we can't have. no one can interview the leader a foreign country with leader of a foreign country with which we at war, because which we are not at war, because because there's a proxy war with which were involved, if we wanted to scale war, then wanted to full scale war, then we have one. but we we could have one. but as we don't have we maintain an don't have one, we maintain an embassy moscow. as to the embassy in moscow. as to the united and diplomatic united states and diplomatic contact soviet . sorry. contact with the soviet. sorry. forgive mistake. forgive me, a mistake. i constantly chiding other people have made with russian have made with the russian government. . have, as far as government. we. have, as far as i know, the excellent steve rosenberg is still in moscow for the bbc, and i imagine even that if he got a call from the kremlin saying the president wishes to grant you an

interview, he'd be round there like a shot to do it. i don't see that's the argument now. it may be whoever gets it, i would i would hugely hesitate do i would hugely hesitate to do such an interview because you'd have do in very hostile have to do it in a very hostile fashion. you'd have to be fashion. and you'd have to be extremely for to be extremely tough for it to be worth it mustn't be worth doing. it mustn't be allowed into allowed to turn into a propaganda exercise for putin, but that's a problem for tucker carlson he takes. carlson and the risk he takes. and if he fails in the interview, then it will that will, that do him much will, that will do him much damage. on the hand, he damage. if on the other hand, he shows himself to have mettle and he presses putin very and he presses putin very hard and gives difficult time and gives him a difficult time and plainly and plainly puts him on the spot, then i think a lot of people will will feel this is an interview having. so i interview worth having. so i think the to look at think that's the way to look at it. aaron >> yeah, the comparison to hitler, i find a bit strange because bear mind, time because bear in mind, time magazine hitler as man magazine had hitler as man of the in it wasn't that the year in 1938. it wasn't that weren't interviewing him. weren't just interviewing him. he elevated into this sort he was elevated into this sort of global consciousness. charlie rose, i believe as well, interviewed vladimir putin in 2015, after crimea. so 2015, which is after crimea. so apparently rose

apparently when charlie rose does it, it's fine . but when does it, it's fine. but when tucker carlson does it, it's hitler . um, tucker carlson does it, it's hitler. um, and i think if you ask any ukrainian, they see present events as continuation present events as a continuation of happened since 2014. of what's happened since 2014. so hitler so i don't buy that. the hitler thing, think that's an thing, i think that's an allergy. we use too much. we wheel out far too frequently. um, but i agree with what peter is saying. you know, there is a line between journalism and propaganda. is in the propaganda. the proof is in the pudding. it might be a brilliant interview, and i think a lot of people who are presently criticising eat their criticising him will eat their words. there is a bit words. i suspect there is a bit of an agenda from tucker carlson, means that won't carlson, which means that won't necessarily be the case, but who knows? would say is knows? but what i would say is you an independent you have to have an independent press, this idea seen press, and this idea i've seen of saying, well, when he of people saying, well, when he comes back, he should be questioned by the fbi, he questioned by the fbi, why he should etc. etc. should be arrested, etc. etc. outlandish , you know, in 1991, outlandish, you know, in 1991, cnn interviewed saddam hussein the exact same things were said to then ceo of cnn, ted turner. you can't do this. well, actually, in a free society, you can. that's the difference between russia and the us. russian journalists , if they

russian journalists, if they interview putin, say bad things, they get arrested. if an american journalist does it, they're allowed to go back to they're allowed to go back to the us. i think if tucker carlson was treated poorly by the government , i carlson was treated poorly by the government, i think that undermines credibility of undermines the credibility of the idea that the us is a leader of the free world. >> um , as well, got to say, >> um, as well, i've got to say, guy verhofstadt, him? guy verhofstadt, remember him? he's wants the eu to he's pushing, he wants the eu to apply sanctions , fines, um, to apply sanctions, fines, um, to tucker carlson. will you be watching that interview? i've got to say, i absolutely will. i think he'll be a fascinating insight going back to joe biden , insight going back to joe biden, bnan insight going back to joe biden, brian says he's embarrassing . he brian says he's embarrassing. he wouldn't be out of place in a care home. never mind running a so—called superpower. see i just find there's something about this. it makes me feel really mean and uncomfortable . all, um. mean and uncomfortable. all, um. because feel like i'm almost because i feel like i'm almost mocking ageing, and i don't want to do that, but this is the point, michel. that role , a point, michel. that role, a small point here, when ronald reagan was in a similar case and was obviously not fully in possession all marbles ,

possession of all his marbles, the left, who are now on the side of joe biden, were actually quite to cruel him. yeah, it's just not. >> it was a lot of extreme rudeness, and i think that it's i don't think it's right in either case. but i think some people should examine themselves a bit here if they're going to. they should wonder about whether that acceptable. i think it that was acceptable. i think it was. wrong. was. it was wrong. it's a tragedy, not something tragedy, but it's not something to mocked. yeah to be mocked. yeah >> you are saying, what >> lots of you are saying, what about his wife? why didn't she nudging him and encouraging him to day? look, after to call it a day? look, after the want talk to the break, i want to talk to you, charles. support payments. if pay them, if you don't pay them, what should punishment be? there should the punishment be? there are that you are suggestions now that you could have an electronic tag, a curfew passport, curfew for your passport, restricted driving. restricted your driving. restricted. you back that? restricted. would you back that? is it going to be a slippery slope? your thoughts? i'll see you in two.

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alongside me. columnist for the mail on sunday, peter hitchens and the co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. um lots of you guys have divided opinions. i've got to say, um, about that interview with putin. i have to say, though, the sentiment is that many of you will be watching it. there you go. let's talk. charles maintenance, because if you don't pay what you need to when it comes to providing for your children, what should be the punishment? i find this really interesting because the mp therese coffey , because the mp therese coffey, she has been now proposing curfew orders. let's just listen i >> -- >> just cash lam >> just cash for the children now. in july 22nd, the government consulted on child maintenance, improving our enforcement powers through the commencement curfew orders. commencement of curfew orders. and we still have not yet had a response to that consultation. i'd be grateful to hear from the government when they to do government when they plan to do so, them other powers so, and remind them other powers that in place, depriving that are in place, depriving people the ability to drive, people of the ability to drive, to provide a passport. people of the ability to drive, to priside a passport. people of the ability to drive, to pris one a passport. people of the ability to drive, to pris one simplea passport. people of the ability to drive, to pris one simple thing port. people of the ability to drive, to pris one simple thing where this is one simple thing where people have the money, won't cough the cash, and i think cough up the cash, and i think curfew need on

curfew orders we need to get on with now . with it now. >> no one in this land i imagine, is going to, you know, advocate people not paying what they need to for their children. um, do you think to um, but what do you think to this measure terms of getting this measure in terms of getting people restricting their people to pay, restricting their liberties in this way? do you support it? >> no, think it's a really bad >> no, i think it's a really bad idea. um, i think it's a very dangerous precedent to set because of course, today it's child benefit, um, child benefit, maintenance, benefit, child maintenance, maintenance rather tomorrow it could fines, speeding could be parking fines, speeding tickets , and you put people on tickets, and you put people on tags or give them curfews so that that's, um, that potential series of steps isn't isn't incomprehensible. by the way , if incomprehensible. by the way, if you look at how this government's proceeded over the last 4 or 5 years, um, you're absolutely right to say, look, most would agree or most people would agree or nearly everyone agree that nearly everyone would agree that obviously, should pay obviously, a father should pay for child. almost for their child. it's almost always it's most always a father. it's the most important job the world for important job in the world for a man to a good father. so man is to be a good father. so the question is, what's the best way about this? i think we way to go about this? i think we should bring back shame. that's how work. how these things used to work. >> interesting you say that

>> so interesting you say that the council's got the old billboards, put the person's mug up they owe x up there, say they owe x x amount of money because they won't look after their son or their daughter. >> i'd far prefer that than giving them a tag or a curfew. >> say, are you one of those people home? are you someone people at home? are you someone who's your ex who's got children and your ex refuses their fair share? refuses to pay their fair share? it's drives you to it's probably drives you to despair. so what you reckon? despair. so what do you reckon? would to see would you want to see restrictive restricted restrictive travel, restricted driving, tags? or driving, electronic tags? or what of those vans? what about one of those vans? was it theresa may? used to was it theresa may? she used to have vans that used to have those vans that used to drive around saying go home or whatever was. what about whatever it was. what about aaron's think they aaron's idea? do you think they should vans kind of should have those vans kind of driving exes driving around with your exes mug on the amount of mug on it? and the amount of cash that he owes? yeah. is that the way? where are you, peter? >> it's totalitarian nonsense. >> you you can't. you have remedies things which remedies in law for things which people do or they do. the people do or they don't do. the civil go after people civil law can go after people and require money in and require money from them. in the it can result in prison the end, it can result in prison if you don't do what you're told. but that's that's very if you don't do what you're told. to |t that's that's very if you don't do what you're told. to do 1at's that's very if you don't do what you're told. to do in. s that's very if you don't do what you're told. to do in. butat's very if you don't do what you're told. to do in. but that'sry if you don't do what you're told. to do in. but that's the hard to do in. but that's the limit of the power of the state. punishment has to be limited and

also the freedom to travel abroad, for instance, isn't one which should be in the gift of the government if it likes you and think this possibility, and think of this possibility, people might be might be tagged or deprived of their passports who weren't actually guilty of anything because there's no due process in this thing. and we're all, of course, overwhelm with admiration at the efficiency and prospect of government. but just occasionally it makes mistakes. it's a nightmare . you wake up it's a nightmare. you wake up one morning, your passport has been someone comes been cancelled, someone comes around, on ankle around, puts a tag on your ankle because reported because somebody reported you for haven't done. for something you haven't done. it's the wrong it's all completely the wrong way i mean, shame is way round. i mean, shame is great though. in a world of human rights, think shame is human rights, i think shame is almost inoperable. almost certainly inoperable. but the. you to choose the. so you have to choose whether have shame or human whether you have shame or human rights, for rights, and that's a matter for you. mr bastani . but the real you. mr bastani. but the real problem here is, of course, the breakdown of married family problem here is, of course, the breathe nn of married family problem here is, of course, the breathe endless married family problem here is, of course, the breathe endless failed ied family problem here is, of course, the breathe endless failed attempts! and the endless failed attempts of the state to try and make up for its absence over the past 50 years, of which this is one these children should be being brought up by both parents, the

parents had parents who originally had them, who and the who should be married, and the state has made no effort whatsoever to strengthen that. >> families, >> yeah, but some families, they do need to separate because there's abuse that. there's abuse within that. i mean, i look at my own mean, if i look at my own family, we had an abusive father and absolutely the and it was absolutely in the safety of us, i.e. the children and that left that and my mum, that we left that individual because have individual because we would have come true come to serious harm. true enough. >> but that's not a general argument against the mainstream. this thing has gone this this kind of thing has gone on more since the on probably more since the collapse general marriage collapse of general marriage than before, than it did before, when marriage ended, it didn't end. it didn't end. what was what you would might call spousal abuse one bit. it continues. but just the people who are beating each other up are not married to each other up are not married to each other anymore. so that that doesn't actually address the problem, fundamentally problem, which is fundamentally we communities we had settled communities in which were to which people were married to each stayed married to each other and stayed married to each other and stayed married to each other and were responsible for children brought for their children and brought them don't have it them up. and we don't have it anymore. and you really want anymore. and if you really want to solve these problems, put that one right there. you go. >> one >> tell me your thoughts. one of my has said, i used to

my viewers has said, i used to live in, um, joe used to live in canada. you said this was used to be taken out of the father's wages before he was lee wages before he was paid. lee said, please, michelle, can you make the point? not just make the point? it's not just men, got men, not paying. he's got custody, of his three custody, he says of his three kids. it's lady in kids. um, and it's the lady in his that refuses refused his case that refuses or refused for to pay . his case that refuses or refused for to pay. i'll his case that refuses or refused for to pay . i'll let for some time to pay. i'll let you have that thought about whether or you think shame whether or not you think shame should answer. because should be the answer. because i know how difficult it is to be brought up when you're a single parent household, and other parent household, and the other parent household, and the other parent refused pay. parent just refused to pay. it really is challenging. we all agree with but what is the agree with that. but what is the answer? you tell me your thoughts coming up after the break. topic that i wanted break. the topic that i wanted to cover but ran out to cover last night but ran out of time . i'm not going to make of time. i'm not going to make that mistake again tonight. pensions think the pensions do you think the pension as high as pension age should be as high as 71 age in this country ? 71 years of age in this country? one of my panellists is laughing 71 years of age in this country? orthat my panellists is laughing 71 years of age in this country? orthat conceptellists is laughing 71 years of age in this country? orthat concept already. laughing 71 years of age in this country? orthat concept already. laugime at that concept already. give me your thoughts. you in two.

hello everybody. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven. aaron bastani and peter hitchens remain alongside me. let's get straight into it. let's not waste any time. state pension age i was saying to you, it might have to rise to the grand age of seven, 31 years of age. by the year 2050. long story short, this is all about the so—called dependency ratio. how many people you have in the world of work versus how many people you have on pensions and therefore needing to be provided by the workers. what do you make of this? aaron? 71. >> well, i saw the headline and i thought, poor gen z, they're being done again. i'll be fine. and then i read the small print and it said, um, anybody born since so even people in since 1970. so even people in their mid 50s would be affected by this. and suddenly they'd have to retire or they would only be able to retire at 71. like you say, it's because the dependency key here is the dependency ratio key here is the housing crisis . and if you're an housing crisis. and if you're an older person who rents, you're in a double bind. obviously, on

the one hand, you haven't paid towards an asset which you can use in old age. on the other hand, you're still paying rent after stop working . the after you stop working. so the housing increasingly , um, housing crisis increasingly, um, we're seeing home ownership fall. the number of people renting in their late 30s, i think is i think it's tripled based in the last 20 years. the face of, um , poverty in this face of, um, poverty in this country of the housing crisis in this country in ten, 15 years won't be young kids , four in a won't be young kids, four in a room in central london as we're presently seeing. it will be older people who rent . so we're older people who rent. so we're on a time bomb with regards to this, and we should take that time bomb seriously. i don't think that means that we retire at 71. >> some of you, you'll be so—called waspi women. you'll be shouting at your screens saying, michelle, how come no one ever focuses on us? they had their pension age increased by, in some cases years, with some cases seven years, with almost those almost no notice. and those guys, can tell you, guys, i can tell you, understandably, sir, are still very angry about that. peter. >> were >> oh, they were, they were appallingly the appallingly treated. the difficulty mainly that the

difficulty is mainly that the more the more people become qualified for pensions, the more it costs, and therefore the further back the government will want to push it. if you want earlier pensions, you'll have to accept smaller pensions. there isn't any way around that. but the thing is we are a the other thing is we are a poorer country than we used to be. the other thing which be. and the other thing which particularly affected my cohort is massive is that gordon brown, massive lowered the private pensions industry and destroyed huge numbers and numbers of private pensions and made lot people much made put a lot of people much more state pensions more dependent on state pensions than were. than they previously were. and that had its effect as well. that has had its effect as well. i'm very much with the person who carried a placard in a french demonstration a few months ago was the french are constantly being told to retire later , and the i translate the later, and the i translate the placard, it said arthritis before retirement. first, arthritis second. they want to they want to retire before they get arthritis, which is they want to retire to have some time when they still have their health and this is the great thing that people want, is, is

there are some people who are very lucky who don't necessarily want to retire, but many, many other like their other people don't like their jobs that much and would jobs all that much and would like serene, like to have some serene, reasonably prosperous time before die. to provide before they die. and to provide that. before they die. and to provide that . and know how with that. and i don't know how with our society in its current arrangement, we're going to be able it. but the relation able to do it. but the relation is between the age and the amount of the pension. you could have pension, but have a an earlier pension, but it be smaller and i don't it will be smaller and i don't see any way around that. and i wish i could. >> phil says what are you all talking about? i thought that all future was going all work in the future was going to by robots, so we to be done by robots, so we won't even have jobs to retire from, says philip. of you from, says philip. lots of you guys getting in touch and guys are getting in touch and pointing obvious pointing out the obvious point of you do a manual of what about if you do a manual job, michelle? what do you expect people to be doing job, michelle? what do you expect peup.e to be doing job, michelle? what do you expect peup ono be doing job, michelle? what do you expect peup on ladders,1g job, michelle? what do you expect pe up on ladders, etc. climbing up on ladders, etc. into their 70s? don't be ridiculous. sentiment ridiculous. this is a sentiment i'm getting thick and i'm getting through thick and fast my inbox on that one. fast on my inbox on that one. lots and i do assure lots of stories and i do assure you do read these emails. you that i do read these emails. um, after the show. i can't get through them all while i'm on air, many of you are air, but so many of you are getting in touch your child

getting in touch with your child maintenance there's maintenance stories and there's some really sorry some shockers. i'm really sorry that many of you are going through with exes through this with your exes and with know how with your children. i know how difficult um, the shame difficult it is. um, the shame thing. lot of people do seem thing. a lot of people do seem to be liking that idea that's coming fast. coming through thick and fast. not have to say, not many people, i have to say, are that concept of are liking that concept of having those restrictive measures. um, lots of you saying that a slippery that that is quite a slippery slope. know, slope. look, you know, we've just been talking about age. if you're thinking, you're sitting there thinking, oh, what i'm making and oh, you know what i'm making and creaking i'm only creaking already and i'm only 60, a look at fella. 60, take a look at this fella. uh, you believe your eyes. uh, you won't believe your eyes. look, here we this is a look, um, here we go. this is a former raf squadron leader. he's 102, two years old. everybody i mean, i want to know what moisturiser he is using. that is my first question to this guy. 102 years old. he's called jack hemmings. he is believed to be the oldest pilot to fly. uh, spit fire. he did 210 knots, um, long story short, you know what? you're as young as you feel . you're as young as you feel. that's what i say. anyway. you're not convinced, though many of you absolutely do not want to be working into your

your 70s. what's the answer, then? because the flip side of it is we need to have lots more children. we need to be increasing the birth rate, increasing the birth rate, increasing that number of workers that we have. but we're not doing that, are we? we are not doing that, are we? we are not doing that, are we? we are not doing that. >> we're not. boris is trying his best. >> yeah. yeah, boris is >> yeah. boris. yeah, boris is single by himself. single handedly by himself. >> anyway. doesn't >> he cannot anyway. he doesn't keep but by himself keep any records, but by himself he he cannot solve this he cannot. he cannot solve this problem. >> he cannot. even people. even for it's just people not for boris, it's just people not having children. >> also the thing which >> it's also the thing which i have to mention here, which is the number of abortions the huge number of abortions which this country which take place in this country every well, that is every year as well, and that is absolutely debate for another day. >> but look, out day. >> but look, out of time. >> but look, i'm out of time. aaron bastani, as always, peter hitchens , there's been lot of hitchens, there's been a lot of love you guys on the inbox love for you guys on the inbox tonight. so you for your tonight. so thank you for your company. your time. company. thanks for your time. and you know what it's like. we very appreciate guys very much appreciate you guys have night. don't go have a fantastic night. don't go anywhere. farage next anywhere. nigel farage up next night . a brighter outlook with night. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather

on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello again and welcome to the latest forecast from the met office. i'm aidan mcgivern cold in the north for the next 24 hours. mild and wet in the south in between. the risk of disruptive snow in places . disruptive snow in places. here's the setup as we end the day, we've got clear spells across northern parts of the uk. further snow showers into the north of scotland , a widespread north of scotland, a widespread frost across many parts of northern england, scotland and northern ireland, but further south, rain, wind and milder air arrives into parts of south wales , southern england. some wales, southern england. some heavy and persistent rain . first heavy and persistent rain. first thing mild air in the south clashes with cold air further north. the band of rain in between turns increasingly wintry as we go through thursday morning. so across mid and north wales, parts of north midlands into northern england and then northern ireland, we're going to see rain at lower levels, perhaps some sleet in some parts. at lower levels, but certainly some disruptive snow

over any hills above 100 200m. and for parts of north wales, the peak district, into the south pennines, the risk of very disruptive snow, 25cm and some freezing rain in places as well. all of this pushes north. we've got much milder but wetter weather into the south for friday and the rain and hill snow moves through northern england and into southern and central scotland by this stage. further wintry showers for the far north of scotland, but bright in between. bright weather in between. milder air for most of us this weekend , but with further rain weekend, but with further rain and showers at times . and showers at times. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

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>> good evening . it's part two >> good evening. it's part two of the rwanda files. yes, i have seen documents from inside the home office that strongly suggest to me that when the prime minister told us he'd stop the boats, he knew he couldn't actually do it. another story that i find quite extraordinary is the idea that the nottinghamshire triple killer, because to hospital, because he's gone to hospital, not could potentially not prison, could potentially qualify surely not prison, could potentially qualand surely not prison, could potentially qualand the surely not prison, could potentially qualand the governmenty not prison, could potentially qualand the government now have not. and the government now have a plan to fix dental decay by bunging 20 grand to dentists to say please open up your nhs registers. but is it just too little, too late? and finally, i think a very important story for the future. as wes streeting is heckled in the streets in bristol, there is now a campaign for sectarian politics in britain , where there will be britain, where there will be candidates excluded , going for candidates excluded, going for muslim votes . just how much muslim votes. just how much damage could this do to labour? but before all of that, and a busy, packed show, let's get the news with polly middlehurst .