. it's part two >> good evening. it's part two of the rwanda files. yes, i have seen documents from inside the home office that strongly suggest to me that when the prime minister told us he'd stop the boats, he knew he couldn't actually do it. another story that i find quite extraordinary is the idea that the nottinghamshire triple killer, because to hospital, because he's gone to hospital, not could potentially not prison, could potentially qualify surely not prison, could potentially qualand surely not prison, could potentially qualand the surely not prison, could potentially qualand the governmenty not prison, could potentially qualand the government now have not. and the government now have a plan to fix dental decay by bunging 20 grand to dentists to say please open up your nhs registers. but is it just too little, too late? and finally, i think a very important story for the future. as wes streeting is heckled in the streets in bristol, there is now a campaign for sectarian politics in britain , where there will be britain, where there will be candidates excluded , going for candidates excluded, going for muslim votes . just how much muslim votes. just how much damage could this do to labour? but before all of that, and a busy, packed show, let's get the news with polly middlehurst .

news with polly middlehurst. nigel thank you and good evening to you. >> well, our top story from the newsroom tonight is that police are hunting a suspected chemical attacker. was in a attacker. say he was in a relationship with his victim . relationship with his victim. new video has been released of afghan asylum seeker abdul ezedl afghan asylum seeker abdul ezedi. nearly a week after a corrosive liquid was thrown at a woman in south london. police say she'd agreed to meet him on the day of the attack, and they believe a breakdown in their relationship may have been a motive. the 31 year old mother, who lose sight her right who may lose sight in her right eye, remains under sedation in hospital . eye, remains under sedation in hospital. darius nasimi, of the afghan and central asian association, says fellow afghans should not be helping him. someone like him should not be harboured . harboured. >> he himself needs help as well. i don't know if he has any mental health problems or issues for the afghan community. the message is please stop harbouring him. if anyone is and please stop helping him if they are darius nasimi, now the prime

minister's been accused of letting parts of the country go without basic dental care . without basic dental care. >> sir keir starmer claims the nhs has been neglected by the conservatives while they've been in power. that's after the government announced a new plan to boost the number of nhs dental appointments across england by offering to pay dentists for every new patient speaking to gb news shadow health secretary wes streeting says the government's taking too long to take action. >> it's the worst of all worlds terrible for patients and we've heard some horrific examples of diy dentistry. >> but also for taxpayers >> but also bad for taxpayers because if you don't get there early with dental problems and regularly maintaining your teeth and looking after them, you end up with conditions that take you to a&e, which costs an arm and a leg for the nhs to deal with in hospital. so it's bad for patients and bad the patients and bad for the taxpayer. frankly, 14 taxpayer. and frankly, after 14 years of conservative government promising to reform the nhs dentistry contract back in 2010, what we got today was too little, too late .

little, too late. >> wes streeting now the former p0p >> wes streeting now the former pop star and paedophile gary glitter has been denied parole with his victim's lawyer saying they're glad the parole board has done the right thing. glitter whose real name is paul gadd , was jailed for 16 years in gadd, was jailed for 16 years in 2015 for sexually abusing three girls between 1975 and 1980. he was automatically released last year after serving half his sentence, but put back behind bars just less than six weeks later after he breached his licence. one victim's lawyer said they hoped glitter would now serve his full sentence , now serve his full sentence, adding it was completely unfair that our client had to endure this glitter parole circus over and over again . and finally, us and over again. and finally, us media personality tucker carlson says he plans to record an interview with the russian president vladimir putin. the former fox news host announced the interview late yesterday . in the interview late yesterday. in a short video posted to his website and on social media, he

claims other journalists haven't bothered to try to interview mr putin. many journalists push back on that today, taking to onune back on that today, taking to online platforms to dispute that claim as false. it would be the first time a media personality from the west has interviewed the russian president since the invasion of ukraine. in for the very latest news stories, do sign up to the gb news alert system by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts . com slash alerts. >> good evening. i think i can claim that nobody did more to bnng claim that nobody did more to bring to the attention of the british people what was happening in the english channel as a steady trickle of dinghies began to make their way across in 20 1819 and into 2020, it seemed to me that as virtually nobody was being deported and as there were really quite significant prizes for getting to the united kingdom, that it

was pretty obvious that we may as well have put a sign on the white cliffs of dover saying, everyone welcome. and that was when i started going out into the on boats, filming the channel on boats, filming dinghies saying dinghies and saying to mainstream media, this is, by the way, before gb news had got off the ground, saying the mainstream you guys mainstream media, you guys aren't this. this is an aren't covering this. this is an important story. this trickle of young males crossing the channel will, unless we're careful, turn in to a flood tide. well, 100,000 people later , i think i 100,000 people later, i think i can say that i've proved to be right. and as a result of this, it shot up the political agenda. yes, of course , in terms of yes, of course, in terms of sheer numbers, it is nothing compared to legal net migration coming into britain. but there is something about the imagery of this and the unfairness of people being put into forced hotels, getting pocket money, getting dental care. a subject will come to this evening on the show , getting medical care and show, getting medical care and as i've gone around the country,

people come and say, well, this is wrong. you know, i mean, our, you know, our son and his wife are on the on the, on the social housing list. it could be many, many years. so a perception of unfairness. and it's been a really tough job for the government. this issue, especially the wall especially in the red wall seats where are furious. and so where people are furious. and so what seen is a succession what we've seen is a succession of home secretaries and prime ministers making a series of promises . ministers making a series of promises. but ministers making a series of promises . but the biggest and promises. but the biggest and the most dramatic promise was made by rishi sunak. the most dramatic promise was made by rishi sunak . on the 7th made by rishi sunak. on the 7th of march last year. and in a second i'd watch him listen to him as he stands behind that lectern with the slogan stop the boats . boats. >> that is why today we are introducing legislation to make clear that if you come here illegally, you can't claim asylum. you can't benefit from our modern slavery protections. you can't make spurious human rights claims, and you can't stay . we will detain those who stay. we will detain those who come here illegally and then

remove them in weeks. either to their own country. if it is safe to do so, or to a safe third country like rwanda , where there country like rwanda, where there we go, detained and removed within weeks. >> no way you can play the human rights card. i mean, he couldn't have been clearer and that was the beginning of the illegal migration bill. and it made, of course , it made its way through course, it made its way through parliament by july. was the illegal migration act. but i have seen documents internal home office documents that show us that at the exact time , at us that at the exact time, at the exact time that the prime minister was telling us this , he minister was telling us this, he and the government were being briefed within the home office that illegal migrants can can still delay this by the way, is after the legislation has passed. illegal migrants can still delay removal for 180 days

despite what was being proposed that the backlog to enter the system for removal could and wait for this by the middle of 2026, reached somewhere . between 2026, reached somewhere. between 150 and 200,000. and yet all migrants in the backlog would be kept in non detained accommodation and the risk of migrants absconding is high. so there you are. it couldn't be donein there you are. it couldn't be done in weeks because you know up to 180 days. there could be a variety of appeals that the numbers involved in this were simply going to skyrocket over the next couple of years. and that actually because it's non detained , you know, facilities detained, you know, facilities people could simply abscond . and people could simply abscond. and one of the first times we really saw just how dishonest the prime minister had been was when worthing member of parliament tim loughton was quizzing the

home secretary, james cleverly , home secretary, james cleverly, and the permanent secretary at the home office, sir matthew rycroft . just have a look at how rycroft. just have a look at how they cringe . they cringe. >> and so do we now know what's happened to the remainders who have no legal basis on which to still be in the united kingdom , still be in the united kingdom, the home office, through our difference mechanisms of tracing, people are continuing to seek to trace them. >> so when people do disengage and think a more and i think that's a more accurate word than missing, accurate word than go missing, when disengage from when people do disengage from us, that . us, we respond to that. >> disengage ? what do you mean? >> disengage? what do you mean? is abscond ? what he means is is abscond? what he means is disappear . and during that disappear. and during that interview, what was made really clear is that nearly everyone who had come since july of 2023 had had claimed asylum, and that those claims were being processed by the home office. despite what rishi had said on the 7th of march. yes i know the government's in real trouble on this. i know it's looking for magic solutions, but quite why

they think that telling us things that legally, simply aren't true is somehow going to make their case better. i simply don't know. i find it politically , frankly, quite politically, frankly, quite baffled . ling i'm joined by paul baffled. ling i'm joined by paul turner, immigration barrister and head of course, of imperium chambers . paul, and head of course, of imperium chambers. paul, you and head of course, of imperium chambers . paul, you see the chambers. paul, you see the point i'm making that people always were going to have the right to appeal that. and we learned yesterday that the maximum number of people who could be detained in what might even be thought to be secure accommodation was 1000 and still today at prime minister's questions , rwanda came up . the questions, rwanda came up. the prime minister made it clear that the planes would be taking off for rwanda very soon. and i'm not asking you to comment politically. i wouldn't do that. but it's pretty clear to me and maybe confusing to our audience, though, that we pass a piece of legislation . the illegal migrant legislation. the illegal migrant ation act, and we've all been

brought up to understand that when parliament passes a law and it gets the royal assent, that it's the law of the land, but it's the law of the land, but it's not here, is it ? it's not here, is it? >> it's the law, as in it's on the statute book and they've passed it. but to implement the law, they need to spend money. and you're quite right about the detention estate , as they call detention estate, as they call it, where people are locked up and there will be a large number of the detention of people in the detention estate are foreign, estate that are foreign, national criminals national prisoners, criminals that be allowed out that simply can't be allowed out because the risk of them because of the risk of them reoffending or running away . so reoffending or running away. so the of space that there the amount of space that there is remarkably is for people is remarkably small , and is for people is remarkably small, and the government must have known this when passed small, and the government must hav illegal1 this when passed small, and the government must hav illegal migrationn passed small, and the government must hav illegal migration act passed small, and the government must hav illegal migration act. passed small, and the government must hav illegal migration act. it)assed small, and the government must hav illegal migration act. it is;sed the illegal migration act. it is quite simply that even if we think that there's 30 or 40,000 people claiming asylum and there's detention space for a thousand, if you want to detain them, you need to invest in building detention building more detention facilities or finding places to put people. but the government must have known with the lacuna

that people can make applications on the basis of their human rights, to not be removed, but firstly , they're removed, but firstly, they're not going to be removed. secondly, that they'll be given an appeal. they could an appeal. right? they could well appeal. and well win the appeal. and thirdly, even they are thirdly, that even if they are detained for a short period of time working as an immigration lawyer one to do bail lawyer, often one has to do bail application and the law says you can only detain people if there is a realistic prospect of removal within a reasonable penod removal within a reasonable period of time . so put shortly. period of time. so put shortly. if the home office says , well, if the home office says, well, he's illegal and we want to remove him, the judge will normally ask, has he done anything wrong? no apart from illegal entry and then they'll say, has he got an asylum claim? outstanding. yes. how long is that going to take? we don't know. and then bails granted. and it's often granted with no real surety. the person can often just say, what do you say, bail again. >> this word keeps being used. it with regard to those that crossed the channel or come on the back of lorries. but normally for bail, a sum of money has to be guaranteed.

well, when i started long time well, when i started a long time ago in certain circles, ago and in certain circles, chances you will need to chances that you will need to provide and the sum is provide sureties and the sum is usually around 2 or £4000 on average . average. >> um, and then the judge will, uh, put the hold the person liable. often with people that have come on a small boat and they don't have any family here, but the prospects of them actually being removed are so remote be almost remote as to be almost non—existent . the judges will non—existent. the judges will grant bail on their own recognisance, in layman's recognisance, which, in layman's terms, means on a promise that the person won't run away and sadly , as you've commented, sadly, as you've commented, people do away . and if i was people do run away. and if i was in their position, perhaps i would run away because your chances away, your chances if you run away, your chances if you run away, your chances being found and chances of being found and brought to the system . i'm brought back to the system. i'm watching. um, uh, the home secretary talking about that. steps are being taken , steps are being taken, discussing this with other people that i know . the home people that i know. the home office has a hard enough job because its lack of resources because of its lack of resources in actually people to in actually getting people to sign regularly. when people sign on regularly. when people abscond , it is it is very rare abscond, it is it is very rare unless the person is unlucky

enough to be caught working illegally on a raid or unlucky enough to be caught at a tube station. when the immigration do checks. as far as i'm aware , the checks. as far as i'm aware, the home do not go round to home office do not go round to people's houses the day after. they not report the idea that they do not report the idea that they're trying to track people for just is fallacious. >> just for the birds. >> just just for the birds. yeah, it is for hey, goodness me, we even find the me, we can't even find the chemical attacker. you know who was seen at tower hill tube at 931 evening? so, yeah. no i mean, where are we going with this? i mean, this is this could be a major election issue now, you know, presumably for the human rights act of 1998 to be amended , we would need to have a amended, we would need to have a debate and discussion about our role with echr. there needs to be an honest decision about whether the uk wishes to remain a part of the echr. >> now, as an immigration lawyer, it will come as no surprise think it's a surprise that i think it's a good as opposed to a bad good thing as opposed to a bad thing. and it is interwoven into our international obligations

within other parts of the united kingdom and the refugee convention. >> oh, it's been written into the devolution settlements. and i you know, unwinding. i mean, you know, unwinding. this is not a straightforward thing, that. but thing, and i get that. but i think what's really important is that the was funded that if the system was funded properly claims were properly and claims were evaluated properly by the home office and then by the courts, then the sort of travesties that come out, such as the individual that carried out this attack . that carried out this attack. >> yeah, there would be less of them . so there's not we don't them. so there's not we don't need to throw the baby out with the bath water, but we certainly need get rid the need to get rid of the bathwater. yes. >> and we could talk about christian conversions and many other things. it was pointed out in parliament today that since archbishop bishop welby took oven archbishop bishop welby took over, been huge over, there have been a huge decline in the number of people in saying they're in this country saying they're christian, , of course, christian, a part, of course, from those who come from muslim countries want to pass their countries who want to pass their asylum applications. paul turner, thank you, as ever, for joining me. and it's interesting, isn't it? i mean, i disagree with paul quite

fundamentally on that. i don't think now fit for think the echr is now fit for purpose. i completely get why it came being 70 years ago. came into being 70 years ago. i think we've moved on, but the point paul made the right point paul made is the right point. we need to honest point. we need to have an honest conversation . i'm afraid that . conversation. i'm afraid that. the illegal migration act and everything you've been told by this prime minister and i'm afraid by successive home secretaries, has been, frankly , secretaries, has been, frankly, totally dishonest. now we did, of course, put these put these findings to the home office earlier . and findings to the home office earlier. and a spokesperson from the home office responds thus both the british and rwandan governments have always made clear that this scheme is uncapped. would the will and ability to build capacity over time in rwanda ? well, there we time in rwanda? well, there we are. we do not comment on unverified leaked documents. no, i didn't think they were going to, did you? well it's some extraordinary scenes in bristol

where a previously private practice said we're open as an nhs dentist and people queuing literally round the block for days such as the shortage of nhs dentists. but now , now there is dentists. but now, now there is a dentist recovery plan you can see on your screens now these astonishing queues of people desperate to have an nhs dentist because, you know, going privately, it is pretty bloomin expense. privately, it is pretty bloomin expense . it really, really is. expense. it really, really is. now the government now are going to bribe dentists up to 20 grand to bribe dentists up to 20 grand to return to the nhs. they say millions more people will get nhs dental appointments. labour say they'll match it. if not do even better. i wonder. i wonder whether that's right. i'll be talking to the chair of the association of dental groups to find out. are the government's claims right. find out. are the government's claims right . and it's funny, claims right. and it's funny, you know, i've covered dentistry on this show 2 or times over on this show 2 or 3 times over the course of the last year, and dentistry may not be an election winning issue, but it is one that could help you lose an

election. dentistry in just a moment

struggle with basically being able to define what a woman is. you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> i wonder how many of you or your friends or relations have tried to get an nhs dentist over the course of the last few years? i think in most parts of the country it is pretty much impossible is it was impossible, which is why it was saint district of bristol saint paul's district of bristol when it was announced that a dental was going to dental practice was going to start taking nhs patients. they started on monday , queuing round started on monday, queuing round the block and if you have a look , uh, you know it literally today they're still queuing. they're going to go on queuing for day after day after day in the saint paul's district of , of the saint paul's district of, of bristol. but the government have made some quite big, bold promises . have made some quite big, bold promises. have a made some quite big, bold promises . have a listen to promises. have a listen to victoria atkins , the health victoria atkins, the health secretary. plan that we're announcing today ensures that we are getting dental care for

faster, simpler and fairer to wards people that really need it for example, bringing dental vans into those most underserved areas across the country. >> i'm a rural and coastal constituency mp. i know how tough it to can be find a dental appointment locally . we'll be appointment locally. we'll be rolling out dental vans to help in the immediate tum with some of those issues. we're also ensuring that nhs dentists are being paid more to look after people. we're going to be creating some 2.5 million more appointment s as a result of this plan. this is really good news. there is more to do. we absolutely accept that. but this is going to make a meaningful difference to people's health. well no one doubts the importance of dental health. >> not for one moment. but i wonder , are the government wonder, are the government claims correct act? can we believe them when they say they're going to create over the next few years, millions more appointments? and is paying dentists 20 grand each? the right way to go about it? well, i'm very pleased to be joined down the line by neil

carmichael, chair of the association of dental groups and of course, a former member of parliament himself . neil, you parliament himself. neil, you get the point. you know, it's been so difficult for people to get an nhs dentist if you take at face value what the government is saying and indeed what the opposition are saying. good times are just around the corner. uh would that be a fair assessment ? well those good assessment? well those good times will come if we get enough dentists . dentists. >> uh, the big problem is actually the number of dentists able and willing to do nhs work. and indeed private work, too. we are chronically short of dentists . we need to have more dentists. we need to have more dentists. we need to have more dentists so firms can, and businesses and practices can recruit them. and so i'm saying that the gdc has got to sharpen up, uh, to the challenge , um, up, uh, to the challenge, um, which is basically to get more dentists on the register so that they can start practising . they can start practising. >> is this one of those areas

where people qualify and then go to other parts of the to world be dentists, because it's that much better paid? well certainly. >> um, if you look at the situation in the united kingdom, we've got some very good dental schools, but they don't produce enough dentists . not their enough dentists. not their fault. they're capped . um, and fault. they're capped. um, and even if we were to remove the cap completely and basically enable them to, um, train as many dentists as possible, that still immediate impact because , still immediate impact because, of course, a dentist takes a long time to train. so what we've got to do is make sure that dentists that are capable of doing the work are actually put onto the, uh, register. now and that's the problem. that's the challenge. right >> so it sounds to me like actually this is another problem with an exploding population . no with an exploding population. no government could ever estimate this massive increase in population. so we're short of dentists. i mean, i know that with doctors and with nurses, i don't think it's an exploding

population. >> right . >> right. >> right. >> well, if you have more people and the same number of dentists, you have a problem, don't you ? you have a problem, don't you? >> well, we need more dentists . >> well, we need more dentists. we've got 40 odd thousand on the register . we've got 40 odd thousand on the register. um, which is. we've got 40 odd thousand on the register. um, which is . good but register. um, which is. good but not all of them do full time work. that's a lifestyle choice that they they have made and quite rightly so. we just simply need to get more dentists. there are more dentists. um, there are about 2000 dentists could about 2000 dentists who could easily do the work if they were on the register. now, that's what we need to do. 1000 more dentists equals . 750,000 more appointments. >> and so how do we encourage people who are already qualified to go full time in dentistry or to go full time in dentistry or to come back to it? >> well, the government's package , um, is a is attempting package, um, is a is attempting to do that. we've seen, uh, sort of the measures that they've taken, they're well documented. we'll be hoping to, let's say ,

we'll be hoping to, let's say, enhance them as, as, as the months and years go by. but actually, if you're looking if you're talking about the contract, it needs more fundamental reform. uh, this is a sort of incremental set of measures , uh, which will do some measures, uh, which will do some good. but the fundamental question in incremental measures or not, um, is how many dentists we've got to recruit. and if we can't recruit them because they're not available, well, thatis they're not available, well, that is unhelpful . that is unhelpful. >> okay. so the government can promise all these things, but without more dentists, it's it can't be delivered. that's really the nub of it. >> well, if i were secretary of state for health and social care right i would be making right now, i would be making sure the gdc understood clearly that actually there are dentists there to do the work. it's just that they need to be registered and the quicker that they are registered, the better things will be. and by the way , we are will be. and by the way, we are not that dentists should not saying that dentists should be just put on the list if they're not good enough . that's they're not good enough. that's not what we're saying. what we

are saying is good dentists should be registered and registered as soon as possible . registered as soon as possible. >> okay. neil carmichael from the association of dental groups, thank you for joining me live on the programme. and it's funny, isn't it? doesn't matter who you talk to, you can talk to people and how housing. you can talk to people in all sorts of areas. and if you point out that, you know, our population is increased by migration last yean is increased by migration last year, by three quarters of a million, and therefore we're short of things, everyone, it seems, denial about this seems, is in denial about this within professions, within within the professions, within much of the media. but i don't think you at home are in denial over it. now, a reminder next monday the prime minister will take part in a special people's forum live from the north east of england. only on gb news. he'll be on live for an hour from 8:00. he will take questions directly from you , the questions directly from you, the great british public. so if you want to be there and take part in this, go to gbnews.com forward slash p m and i would

suggest that you register your interest very quickly today. alternatively you can see the qr code that is on the screen. now in a minute we're going to talk about the triple killer calocane , who of course went to a mental hospital . it was a manslaughter hospital. it was a manslaughter charge, not a murder charge, which many of us found very difficult to comprehend. we now understand the potentially he could qualify for benefits, which seems totally wrong and almost unbelievable . and i'll almost unbelievable. and i'll talk to you a bit about what's been going on in the european union over the course of the last couple of days. some astonishing u—turns on environmental legislation coming from the european commission in brussels is mob rule . working in brussels is mob rule. working in europe

someone like the bbc could only ever dream about getting. >> and he's getting a lot of flak, isn't he? because people are saying couldn't possibly are saying he couldn't possibly do well, let's see do a properjob. well, let's see you're listening news you're listening to gb news radio the nottinghamshire .

radio the nottinghamshire. triple killer valdo calocane was, of course, sent to a hospital . hospital. >> ashworth mental hospital . >> ashworth mental hospital. he's not gone to prison and that means he is entitled to put a claim in for benefits. they could amount to about. claim in for benefits. they could amount to about . £360 a could amount to about. £360 a month. now, it's arguable whether if he got those benefits . yes, the hospital would take some of it off him, which they often do in the case of people who are long terme hospital . often do in the case of people who are long terme hospital. but the very thought, the very thought he can even apply for benefits having committed a triple murder is frankly, i think just beyond the pale. well, to discuss this, i'm joined by julian hendy of . the joined by julian hendy of. the hundred families.org charity. and just before we start, julian, in a sentence , just julian, in a sentence, just please tell us what your charity stands for. >> um, in two thousand and seven, my dad was killed by a mentally ill person. um and i found it so difficult to get information , even though i was

information, even though i was an investigative journalist. and so i set up the charity to try and assist families who have been bereaved as a result of mental health related killings. um, and i've been supporting the families in this case. no >> well, good for you. and it is . it is over 100 people a year, isn't it, that are murdered by its patients with. >> yeah, it's about 100 to 120 cases each and every year. >> yeah, well, i have to say i have some personal experience of this. julian because there was somebody who'd served a prison sentence for threatening to kill me. he was me. um, and when he was released, know, i released, you know, i was deeply, deeply worried it, deeply, deeply worried about it, but. do understand this. so but. so i do understand this. so how feel about valdo how do you feel about valdo calocane? i mean, it was obviously very controversial that manslaughter that it was a manslaughter charge, you know, and not a direct murder charge. but the idea this guy claim idea of this guy can claim benefits. you feel about that? >> well, it's abhorrent, really, isn't it? it's, uh, it's an affront to natural justice. it's um. it shouldn't happen . it's

um. it shouldn't happen. it's a complete insult to the victims families . you know, we, um . as families. you know, we, um. as i say, i know the victim's families in the nottingham case. i know they've struggled to get proper care and treatment. um, we know that sometimes . the we know that sometimes. the grandfathers of the children who have been killed are not allowed, um, counselling or victim support because they're not deemed close enough relatives. you know, so it seems to be it's one rule for, you know , for the victims are very know, for the victims are very poorly served by this. i did some work. i mean, there are around 2700 patients like this who have been detained under a hospital orders, and they are indefinitely the indefinite means are entitled to means that they are entitled to benefits, that benefits, apparently, so that works out. you know, by my rough calculations, you know , calculations, you know, proportionately, we're talking about £10 million a year going to people who have committed very serious crimes in hospital. the amount of money that goes to victims of homicide from the government is about 4 million. so i think it would be much

better if that money had been either spent on victim services or better mental health care to try and stop sorts of try and stop these sorts of things happening in the things from happening in the first does to be first place. it does seem to be a terrible loophole that needs to be closing up. >> yeah, well, i'm sure they're going to be questions in parliament next week about this. now, this story has broken. and juuan now, this story has broken. and julian finally, you know, in the old we to lock people old days, we used to lock people up mental institutions and up in mental institutions and effectively key effectively throw away the key in the 1960s, we began a process of care in the community. and, you know what you represent with 100 families is, are the cases where releasing people from institutions go horrendously and tragically wrong ? how do we tragically wrong? how do we strike the right balance with this problem? i think i think the most, most of the cases i see i've helped over 250 families. >> most of the cases i see of seriously mentally ill people who are unable or unwilling to get treatment. you know, it's a small number of people with mental you know, i've mental illness. you know, i've known people with

known lots of people with serious illness, serious mental illness, you know, are violent at know, who are not violent at all. there are a small all. but there are a small number who need more assertive care, more supervision, more monitoring. those assertive, monitoring. and those assertive, those schemes those assertive sort of schemes and teams been shut down and teams have been shut down across country. that's across the country. and that's what money should go for. if what the money should go for. if they were going to , if they're they were going to, if they're going reinvest money going to reinvest this money because it seems completely wrong, an insult wrong, you know, and an insult to families that, you know, to the families that, you know, benefits be to benefits should be going to people committed such people who committed such serious . serious crimes. >> absolutely. julian hendy, thank coming on the thank you for coming on the program. well done the program. and well done for the very important work that you do . very important work that you do. >> thank you. nigel. now much focus on america. >> of course, november the fifth, the american presidential elections. we're going through the primary process . uh, i have the primary process. uh, i have to say , you know, bumbling to say, you know, bumbling biden. nobody ever says perhaps it's just too rude. no one ever says the guy's clearly senile. but i think tonight we're going to say the guy is clearly senile. let's have a look at a clip of president biden speaking

on monday of this week and talking about a g7 meeting that took place in cornwall . if you took place in cornwall. if you remember, when boris johnson was prime minister and his meeting with the french president, right , right. >> right after i was elected, i went to what they call a g7 meeting. all the nato leaders . meeting. all the nato leaders. and it was in it was in the south of england. and i sat down and i said, america is back. and mitterrand from germany, i mean, from france, looked at me and said, uh , said , you know what? said, uh, said, you know what? why, how long are you back for ? why, how long are you back for? uh, well , that was really pretty incomprehensible. >> i mean, to begin with, he said it was a group of nato countries. now it wasn't. it was g7 that was meeting. that was the very point of it. confused france and germany. and president mitterrand died in the mid 1990s. but have a look at biden. just last night.

>> there's some movement and i don't want to i don't want . to. don't want to i don't want. to. maybe choose my words . there's maybe choose my words. there's some movement . there's been some movement. there's been a response from um, the, uh . response from um, the, uh. there's been a response from from the opposition varne. but, um , yes , i'm sorry, from hamas, um, yes, i'm sorry, from hamas, but it seems to be, uh, a little over the top . we're not sure over the top. we're not sure where it is. there's a continuing negotiation right now i >> -- >> yeah. and hamas was shouted out there by a journalist sitting in the front row helping the president. the guy's senile. he's not fit to run america . he's not fit to run america. it's a disaster that he's leader of the free world. is it any wonder dictators and bad wonder that dictators and bad people everywhere are running riot? since the withdrawal riot? ever since the withdrawal from kabul ? riot? ever since the withdrawal from kabul? well, riot? ever since the withdrawal from kabul ? well, now riot? ever since the withdrawal from kabul? well, now this is amazing. the siege of paris, the

demonstrations in brussels , the demonstrations in brussels, the change of the political weather that we've seen in the netherlands, a macron clearly very, very scared of the french farmers. what did he do? he said to them , i'm going to go to to them, i'm going to go to brussels . to them, i'm going to go to brussels. i'm going to ask brussels. i'm going to ask brussels to change the rules, which of course illustrated beautifully the extent to which, as a member of the european union, france has completely surrendered its sovereignty to make decisions over its own life and ursula von der elianne narrowly elected in the european parliament, elected, of course, when i was still a member of the european parliament, promising the big net zero dreams, the green agenda, she too, is now deeply fearful ahead of the european elections, where eurosceptic parties at the moment are topping the polls in nine separate countries . as she nine separate countries. as she was able to almost with a sort

of stroke of a wand to get rid of stroke of a wand to get rid of a whole load of targets on methane and nitrogen that farmers were supposed to meet over the course of the next yeah over the course of the next year. uh almost. the european commission have the powers of a medieval monarch to make law and get rid of law and they think by doing this, that what they've doneis doing this, that what they've done is to quell the thirst of the eurosceptic farmers, farmers who historically had supported the european union because, of course, their subsidy comes from brussels. and i think all she's done actually is to feed that eurosceptic feeling . and there's eurosceptic feeling. and there's got to be a sense, hasn't there, amongst farmers who've been out in germany and elsewhere in their tractors, there's got to be a sense that mob rule now is actually working inside the european union. thank goodness we are no longer a member. and a thought on prince harry. we discussed him yesterday. and yes, the predictions were right.

he is now on a plane on his way back to los angeles. he was here in the united kingdom for 24 hours. he spent approximately 30 minutes with his father and indeed didn't meet with his brother, didn't speak to his brother, didn't speak to his brother and the queen, his brother and the queen, his brother and the queen, his brother and sister in law will probably never speak to him again. after what was written in that awful book. spare unless he actually apologised . houses. you actually apologised. houses. you cannot have reconciliation. you cannot have reconciliation. you cannot have reconciliation. you cannot have rapprochement unless people admit to what they've done wrong. and it seems that harry, right now, despite his father's diagnosis , is in no father's diagnosis, is in no mood to do so . i've been mood to do so. i've been predicting now for some time that sectarian politics is coming to the united kingdom. we are going to see, over the course of the next few years, new political parties represent muslim and muslim . any interests muslim and muslim. any interests in the house of commons? i

believe that very strongly. but i want to see it. but i can feel it happening. i wonderjust how much harm could this do? the labour party on patrick christys 99 till 11 pm, nottingham triple keller valdo calocane could claim thousands of pounds in state benefits every single yeah >> tonight i sit down with emma webber, the mother of one of his victims, barnaby, who says this vicious monster shouldn't get penny. >> i also talked to a top tory mp about our lack of deportation scandal for foreign criminals. >> plus , prince harry's already >> plus, prince harry's already flying back to the us after williams snub . williams snub. >> don't miss lady colin campbell's reaction and lea anderson is also in the studio. that's patrick christys tonight, 9 to 11 pm.

i >> -- >> the labour member of parliament for ilford north is wes streeting and of course his shadow secretary of state for

health and social care. and i think many would argue actually one of labour's most effective media performers today he was visiting a centre in bristol and this is what happened. >> wes streeting shame on you. where's streeting? you can't hide your support. where's streeting? you can't hide your support . genocide, hide your support. genocide, genocide supporter genocide supporter don't come here and pretend you care about social justice issues. >> you are supporting a genocide in gaza . in gaza. >> the palestinian civilians are being massacred. shame on you. shame on you . shame on you. >> well , that is a little >> well, that is a little symptom of something that is happening on a broader scale. and i can't get involved with details as there a series of elections going on right now . elections going on right now. but it would seem that there are now people prepared to stand up who really want for their vote to be entirely on muslim issues. in fact, a website launched this

week just called muslim vote. you know why we have to get together as a muslim community? and of course , top of their list and of course, top of their list isn't the national health service. it isn't dentistry . it service. it isn't dentistry. it isn't the boats crossing the channel or anything like that. top of their list is gaza. and i think we're witnessing the beginning for the first time everin beginning for the first time ever in this country. and you can see the website on your screen putting muslim issues at the forefront. a united force of 4 million of us acting in unison. this folks , is the unison. this folks, is the beginning of sectarian politics. we've never seen the like of it. yes, of course we've seen it in modern times in northern ireland. thank goodness that has been quelled to a very large degree. this is the beginning, in my opinion, of sectarian politics in this country. i find it troubling . i find it it troubling. i find it worrying. and west streeting, he may find it troubling and worrying because looking at his ilford north constituency at the time of the last census in 2021,

nearly 25% of his constituency was muslim. that figure will now be several points higher over the course of the last couple of years, and already somebody has come forward to say they will stand against streeting in that constituency . kc on a muslim constituency. kc on a muslim ticket. and i just wonder , i ticket. and i just wonder, i just wonder, is there time . for just wonder, is there time. for these forces to gather ahead of these forces to gather ahead of the next general election and if not ahead of the next general election? i'll be very surprised . and if that wasn't the case for the general election, that followed, and i'm joined by scarlett mccgwire former labour adviser , of course, it was . you adviser, of course, it was. you look at other communities, you look at other communities, you look at other communities, you look at the hindu vote, or you look at the hindu vote, or you look at the sikh vote or the black vote, and it splits across political . it was very political parties. it was very split. for example, on the brexit vote. but up until this point, the labour has had over 80% of the muslim vote . 80% of the muslim vote. >> oh yeah, but i mean, i, i

think, i think you're sort of scaring people actually. i'm scared. well, well i'm not, i'm not really. look. no >> so let's. >> so let's. >> so let's. >> so we've had the women's equality party , right. equality party, right. >> half, half the country are women. >> they have a website that is all about putting women's issues first. do you mind ? no. is first. do you mind? no. is labour frightened ? no. nowhere. labour frightened? no. nowhere. right it went nowhere. i don't think this is going to go anywhere. that's that's the truth of it. it's been coming, i think, to start saying oh dear, they're muslims. it's all going to get it's is just actually scaring people. i think. i think it's really , really terrible. it's really, really terrible. what scared nigel. >> i tell you what scared me. scarlet being in bradford west a few years ago. i was in bradford west a few years ago when there was a by—election. do you remember a traditionally safe labour seat and it was won by a politician from outside mainstream british political parties campaigning solely. i won't mention his name. it's there are legal reasons why i can't mention his name right

now. who's not a muslim? >> let's. let's get this quite clear. but the person who won in bradford west and is standing somewhere else, right . trying to somewhere else, right. trying to sow dissent is not a muslim. actually, if i was a conservative, i'd be looking at you and saying you're doing exactly the same. you'll lose. you're trying to lose the election. for me , he may not be election. for me, he may not be a muslim himself by birth, but he says he's a muslim now. >> he says he's converted to the religion. he's married indeed to a muslim. he has muslim children . and was exclusively . so. and he was exclusively courting the muslim vote . courting the muslim vote. >> yeah. i mean, i mean, this particular person i think has some a lack of morals, shall we say, and i think but i, but i but i don't think, i mean, i do not think it's frightening. i mean i do think that labour like the conservatives, should not take anybody for granted and should not take any community for granted . and, and um , and i

for granted. and, and um, and i think it's very important that, that they understand that the muslims many , many muslims were muslims many, many muslims were absolutely furious when keir, keir starmer appeared to say it's fine for the israelis to stop aid going into gaza . right. stop aid going into gaza. right. it was a terrible mistake and he's apologised for it. and yes, i mean, that's the point, isn't it? >> is it a is in— >> is it a is it, is it a short time political thing or does it lead to something more significant. and my belief is it will lead to something more significant, i know, but that's because that's what you want. no, all. no, not at all. >> nigel, you sow dissent. >> no, nigel, you sow dissent. you sow dissent. we're very, very the years at very good over the years at putting finger problems putting my finger on problems that emerged. that have actually emerged. >> going to >> and i think we're going to see this election, but the see not this election, but the next general election from several inner city constituencies, mps there representing a particular religious viewpoint, as we've grown up with in northern ireland. i find that bad news, and i think i think it's a

and i think and i think it's a failure of integration. i think labour's immigration policies , labour's immigration policies, they've time they've benefited short time with , but it's the lack with the vote, but it's the lack of integration no. of integration that's led. no. >> i mean, think there >> well, i mean, i think there is a lot of integration right. and i and that's why i think, you know, we've got i mean, are you know, we've got i mean, are you saying that the muslim mps are only about muslims. no i'm not mean, i do remember when. not i mean, i do remember when. >> i'm not. and people like, >> no i'm not. and people like, people mahmood are people like khalid mahmood are fighting against this. fighting very hard against this. i'm just i'm delighted to say. i just think a new development think there is a new development now british politics. think there is a new development nov no. british politics. think there is a new development nov no. wellh politics. think there is a new development nov no. well i politics. think there is a new development nov no. well i mean, ;. think there is a new development nov no. well i mean, i would say >> no. well i mean, i would say if i was a tory that the new development was yours and you're going to make sure they lose the election. you're much election. i think you're much more dangerous . more dangerous. >> there's nothing sectarian about i can promise you. about me. i can promise you. well, thank she's well, scarlet, thank you. she's wrong. i see. wrong. of course i see. >> i see nigel, i am right. well, and i do not sow dissent and fear . and fear. >> in five years time, we'll sit, and we will see again. you see my point, jacob, about this? my see my point, jacob, about this? my concern. i see your point. >> and also your first point that we have had sectarian politics in the past, and it is

danger. politics in the past, and it is danger . it's politics in the past, and it is danger. it's that, uh , northern danger. it's that, uh, northern ireland is an example of this, though actually we had sectarian politics in glasgow and in liverpool. and when the conservatives won seats in liverpool up until the 1970s, that on essentially a that was on essentially a sectarian vote. and that's gone out of politics. and that's a good thing. i hope scarlet's right that it turns out to be a flash in the pan . but but i flash in the pan. but but i think we should take this very seriously. >> we may even discuss this in a few weeks. um, jacob, prime minister's questions today. uh, the prime minister telling a little joke all about keir's difficulties. some would say , in difficulties. some would say, in defining exactly what a woman is , is suddenly being accused. the prime minister of transphobia . prime minister of transphobia. uh, did he make a mistake, or is it a storm in a teacup? >> i am appalled by the leader of the opposition's abuse of parliament procedure. so if you look at paragraph 2130 of erskine may, it says that members in debate be members in debate should be brief directly relate to brief and directly relate to proceedings , and should not be proceedings, and should not be phrased be in any way

phrased so as to be in any way intimidating or to intimidating or seek to influence when referring influence debate when referring to people the galleries and to people in the galleries and mr sir keir starmer tried to influence by influence the debate by referring to people in the galleries. is strictly galleries. this is strictly disorderly and i think sir keir should apologise to the house tomorrow. >> very interesting indeed. great answer. i have to say, when i saw that going on this morning, reminded of the morning, it reminded me of the european you know, european parliament. you know, greta gallery greta thunberg is in the gallery and they stood up until 2017. >> it was disorderly to refer to people in the galleries at all. yes, mistakenly, that rule was relaxed. and now we get these sometimes rather mawkish references to people in the galleries, which i think are very unhelpful and that sir keir should pay closer attention to erskine may after 20 years of being in a parliament that played to the gallery the whole time to the pre 17 rules time back to the pre 17 rules would sense. would make sense. >> tomorrow's papers >> some in tomorrow's papers will rishi's judgement will question rishi's judgement of i have no doubt i'm of that. i have no doubt i'm done for today. back with you. live evening. live at 7:00 tomorrow evening. for have a look at for now, let's have a look at the weather. looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers, sponsors of

weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> hello again and welcome to the latest forecast from the met office. i'm aidan magee ian cold in the north for the next 24 hours. mild and wet in the south in between the risk of disruptive snow in places. here's the setup . as we end the here's the setup. as we end the day, we've got clear spells across northern parts of the uk. further snow showers into the north of scotland, a widespread frost across many parts of northern england, scotland and northern ireland. but further south, rain , wind and milder air south, rain, wind and milder air arrives into parts of south wales southern england. some heavy and persistent rain . first heavy and persistent rain. first thing mild air in the south clashes with cold air further north. the band of rain in between turns increasingly wintry as we go through thursday morning. so across mid and north wales, parts of north midlands into northern england and then northern ireland, we're going to see rain at lower levels, perhaps some sleet in some

parts. at lower levels, but certainly some disruptive snow over any hills above 100 200m. and for parts of north wales, the peak district, into the south pennines, the risk of very disruptive snow, 25cm and some freezing rain in places as well. all of this pushes north. we've got much milder but wetter weather into the south for friday, and the rain and hill snow moves through northern england and into southern and central scotland. by this stage. further wintry showers for the far north of scotland, but bright weather in between. milder air for most of us this weekend, but with further rain and showers at times a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> hello .

>> hello. >> hello. >> good evening, it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight. it's the latest blunder of our benefit system. convicted nottingham killer valdo calocane is eligible for universal credit payments . of up to £360 a month. payments. of up to £360 a month. that's more than £4,000 a year paid by you. surely it's time for an overhaul of our benefit system. last week in scunthorpe , system. last week in scunthorpe, a woman seemingly predicted the future when she me, really future when she asked me, really told me to discuss nhs dentistry, dentists are being offered £20,000 to work in nhs crisis areas. i'll be conferring with former health secretary to john major stephen dorrell, former home secretary suella braverman has called for greater ministerial powers to be granted in order to prohibit extremist marches and those glorifying terror and jihad. but do you defend freedom by banning things? plus are the great mr bean should he take the credit for poor sales in the electric car market? well, the short answer is no. it's because they're rubbish . but the house they're rubbish. but the house of lords climate change

committee seems to think