he didn't want a row , adding he didn't want a row about the size of a check . about the size of a check. >> the reason for that is because, since we announced the 28 billion, the tories have done terrible damage to our economy, not just the liz truss budget, but also now the government briefing that it's going to max out on the government credit card. reckless, but i have to anticipate the circumstances as they are now . now not as i would they are now. now not as i would wish them to be. >> starmer, speaking a short time ago. well, chief secretary to the treasury laura trott said today's announcement confirms labour doesn't have a plan for britain . britain. >> for months, labour have been saying that their 2030 energy policies are going to cost £28 billion. and all that's happened today is that they confirmed that they don't have a plan to pay that they don't have a plan to pay not having a plan pay for that. not having a plan inevitably means imposing higher taxes on working people , and taxes on working people, and thatis taxes on working people, and that is why labour will take britain back to square one. >> laura trott now in other news, today , armed police have

news, today, armed police have searched two addresses in newcastle in their hunt for a chemical attack. suspect abdul ezedi . it's understood the ezedi. it's understood the search warrants included his place of work, but no arrests were made as he is believed to be suffering from severe facial injuries which could be life threatening if left untreated. the last recorded sighting of him was near vauxhall bridge in london just after 11:00 last wednesday evening . in the united wednesday evening. in the united states, donald trump says all cases against him are an act of election interference . that's election interference. that's after a us supreme court heard arguments to determine whether or not he can run in november's us election. the state of colorado disqualified him because of his role in the us capitol riots. the state of maine followed suit . mr trump maine followed suit. mr trump has had the support , though, of has had the support, though, of most voters, in challenging democratic president joe biden, republican contender nikki haley has said in the last half hour that everything trump touches is chaos and republicans keep

losing as a result. here, protesters who cover their faces to avoid arrest could face tougher penalties under new laws unveiled today . demonstrators unveiled today. demonstrators would also be blocked from climbing war memorials or letting off flares. site the right to protest will no longer be an excuse for causing major disruption, as the home office seeks to crack down on what it's calling dangerous disorder. critics say the new powers represent a threat to civil liberties . and finally, natwest liberties. and finally, natwest bank has appointed a new former ubs executive to lead its high net worth banking arm, coutts . net worth banking arm, coutts. emma crystal is going to take the top job, reporting directly to natwest's interim chief executive, paul thwaite. it's understood she'll also join the board of coutts. it comes more than six months after the resignation of peter flavell in the wake of nigel . farage bj's the wake of nigel. farage bj's cootes de—banking scandal. for

the very latest gb news stories, do sign up for gb news alerts, scan the qr code on your screen right now or go to gbnews.com slash alerts . slash alerts. >> good evening. well, it was the magical , >> good evening. well, it was the magical, mystical 28 billion. yes. this was the amount of money that labour were going to spend in government to prove their even greener than the conservative party. and the money was going to be spent on insulating millions of homes and adding to green prosperity . adding to green prosperity. well, they were pretty clear about it. and even within the last four days, we've had keir starmer saying we're sticking to the plan . the plan. >> about 28 billion comes in that investment that's desperately needed for that mission . and i've been mission. and i've been unwavering in relation to the mission. >> we are doing it when we're doing it in the next parliament, okay, towards the end of the next parliament, i can't tell you a precise day of the week and what month it's going to be,

but our plan, but our determination, our plan, our intent is get it done. our intent is to get it done. now you know, of course we won't be able to. it won't be on day one, can't wave one, because you can't wave a wand create wand and suddenly create a british company. will it british energy company. will it be it will be 20. be 28 billion? it will be 20. >> well , that was the chris >> well, that was the chris bryant backing up keir starmer. both of those taken from both of those clips taken from earlier on this week. and then here's sir keir starmer, leader of his majesty's loyal opposition, this morning . opposition, this morning. >> it won't now happen is that we won't make further or new investment decisions . and that investment decisions. and that means that we won't reach the £28 billion envisaged and that that figure is effectively stood down. the reason for that is because since we announced the 28 billion, the tories have done terrible damage to our economy, not just the liz truss budget, but also now the government briefing that it's going to max out on the government credit card . card. >> oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. another point of difference between labour and conservative that has totally disappeared. in

fact, i'm really struggling quite hard when comes to quite hard when it comes to economics. when it comes to tax, when it comes to immigration policy , i'm struggling. apart policy, i'm struggling. apart from putting vat on private school fees, i'm struggling to find any real point of difference between these two parties. it's as if we've got two big state social democrat parties, but nobody really bold enough, nobody bold enough to suggest, you know what, we're going to give the country real leadership here. this is the direction we're going to go in. this is why we're doing it. and we encourage you to join us. i suppose to be fair , the only two suppose to be fair, the only two leaders in my lifetime that i've seen that done that at seen that have done that at a national level and become prime minister were margaret thatcher national level and become prime minitonynere margaret thatcher national level and become prime minitony blair,/iargaret thatcher national level and become prime minitony blair, both ret thatcher national level and become prime minitony blair, both of thatcher national level and become prime minitony blair, both of whom|er and tony blair, both of whom were unafraid of saying things that were radical, were different, and genuinely would bnng different, and genuinely would bring change to the country. so i put it to you folks at home, you tell me, you tell me what is the difference between the labour and conservative parties as we head well into this

election year? please give me your thoughts. farage at gbnews.com well, i'm joined in the studio by stella chennai six pubuc the studio by stella chennai six public affairs consultant and former labour adviser . welcome former labour adviser. welcome to the program and we will be having bob seely mp from the isle of wight, down the line as well. stella the point i'm making is and you know, whether you think the 28 billion was a goodidea you think the 28 billion was a good idea or a bad idea, i don't think it was a very good idea. but the by the fact is but that's by the by the fact is it one those stand out it was one of those stand out points difference , if you points of difference, if you like. now, you know , they agree, like. now, you know, they agree, of course. totally on net zero. they agree completely on building as many wind turbines off the north sea as possible . off the north sea as possible. but this was point of but this was a point of difference . now that it's gone, difference. now that it's gone, you know, if i'm voting on environmental concerns, whether i'm very , very pro net zero or i'm very, very pro net zero or very sceptical about net zero, the point i'm trying to make here is i can't see the difference. >> the difference? there is a full list of policies that labouris

full list of policies that labour is proposing that the conservatives are not proposing. go on. right. so uh, gb energy uh 2030 uh, net targets. uh net target, which has been also what decarbonising the grid. >> but in fact the conservatives are saying much the same thing as that. >> they are also going to invest a further 6.6 billion on, on, uh, in insulating homes. yeah. and on top of that, it's i'll find it very interesting. nigel, you mentioned tony blair and you said that he's one of the last leaders who you remember having a very bold message . yes. i'm a very bold message. yes. i'm not sure whether tony blair, the first time he got elected, whether he bold, whether whether he had a bold, whether he bold policies, as you he had bold policies, as you say. i think his messaging was very good. i think he was seen as very aspirational as a very responsible leader. >> well, i mean , he said, look, >> well, i mean, he said, look, we are going to massively increase the increase spending on the national we national health service. we are going times . going to reduce waiting times. and, you know, he did actually do that. >> he didn't say he was going to massively increase spending. he said, we're going to invest. but

if you actually his if you actually look at his manifestos tony blair manifestos and tony blair himself used say right before himself used to say right before every election he would take the manifesto, he would go somewhere by himself and he would bomb proof it to make sure that there is no excuse for any broadcaster, any conservative media want to say what is this you're going to you're going to spend more money, you're going to make us bankrupt and all of that. >> yeah. this is the fear. i mean, listen, i've been through this as a party going to this as a party leader, going to elections. a elections. you produce a manifesto, you're manifesto, you know, you're going but going to be torn to pieces. but in of messaging , i always in terms of messaging, i always thought, blair. yeah, we're going back a long time. but i thought clear . get to thought blair was clear. get to today. i honestly, when it comes today. i honestly, when it comes to green policies , when it to green policies, when it comes, i mean, when it comes to economics, when it to tax economics, when it comes to tax and things, these and many other things, these i mean , do you agree with me on mean, do you agree with me on one thing, stella? parties one thing, stella? these parties are remarkably the same. one thing, stella? these parties are absolutely kably the same. one thing, stella? these parties are absolutely kablywho same. one thing, stella? these parties are absolutely kablywho do ne. one thing, stella? these parties are absolutely kablywho do you >> absolutely not. who do you trust transform the economy? trust to transform the economy? do you trust the woman who has been who worked for the bank of

england and who has shown she's strong enough to crack the whip and change policy when the facts change? because who could have predicted in 2021 when rachel reeves are announced this number that the tories would crash the economy with liz truss budget that the war in ukraine would go the way it did , that the middle the way it did, that the middle east would be on literally on fire. none of that, none of that can be attributed to failure by the tory government. >> events, boy . >> these are events, dear boy. >> these are events, dear boy. >> for the >> these are events for the tory, the liz truss budget . uh, tory, the liz truss budget. uh, can totally be. i have heard attributed. >> i have heard nothing from rachel reeves about , for rachel reeves about, for example, the size of our deficit. any different to the conservative party whatsoever . conservative party whatsoever. it's as if there's this gigantic elephant in the room. £110 billion a year interest payments, because i can't see a difference because. >> because , because austerity >> because, because austerity was a failed policy. chasing the deficit is a failed policy. economists across the political spectrum will say this . and here

spectrum will say this. and here is where you just go on borrowing . here is where i think borrowing. here is where i think we find some agreement. we will find some agreement. nigel, really like it nigel, i really don't like it when politicians any party when politicians of any party continue to follow whatever the narrative is being served by, by the media, by broadcasters , by the media, by broadcasters, by pundits, because obviously the job of the media, the job of punstis job of the media, the job of pundits is to make policy making difficult . it is to challenge, difficult. it is to challenge, to challenge politicians , which to challenge politicians, which is a good thing in a way. it's a good thing in a way. but, uh, i believe that politicians need to hold the line and need hold the line and you need to create alternative narrative. create an alternative narrative. >> yeah, but the point i'm making hearing making is i'm not hearing that alternative i mean, alternative narrative. i mean, take, the cross—channel . i take, take the cross—channel. i mean, okay, labour doesn't believe in rwanda, but it believes going after the believes in going after the gangs. asked gangs. when labour are asked about legal net migration, there's to say there's there's nothing to say there's any different to where the conservatives are all. conservatives are at all. there isn't. mean, this is not this isn't. i mean, this is not this isn't. i mean, this is not this is an election season where is not an election season where we're choosing between two ideologies. >> it is not an election when we are choosing between ideologies because ideologies are no longer relevant. when the people are

struggling with the cost of living crisis, where they cannot go another day. so this is not about ideology. it's about looking facts . and you looking at the facts. and you have to be nuanced with policy and, and go back to the and, and to, to go back to the 28 billion green investment fund. what keir starmer and rachel reeves tried to do is something very ambitious. they tried to start a new policy from scratch . they start with a blank scratch. they start with a blank slate. you usually when you have governments, policy wins. governments, have policy wins. they building on something they are building on something that already exists . that already exists. >> well, i tell you what, whatever they were doing, it's gone now. and that's the point. that's why you're here talking to line. me to me down the line. joining me is conservative is bob seely, conservative member of parliament for the isle of wight. bob, good evening . you know, i had kwasi kwarteng in last week sitting exactly where stella is . and i was where stella is. and i was asking him to outline some really key economic differences between labour and the conservatives. he struggled. i now think , on green policy, this now think, on green policy, this 28 billion good idea or bad idea is gone . what i'm making, bob, is gone. what i'm making, bob, is gone. what i'm making, bob,

is there aren't fundamental differences now between the two parties. >> okay ? i don't for one second >> okay? i don't for one second believe that. and actually , believe that. and actually, frankly, nigel, i don't think that you believe it for one second. no, i do fori start. second. no, i do for i start. okay. before i start by the way, i'm a scout shanklin, i'm at a scout hut in shanklin, in rosie, the in my constituency. rosie, the assistant scout leader here, her husband, alex, was the secretary of kent golf club. and of the west kent golf club. and they regards. they they send their regards. they apparently said that had apparently said that you've had many there. many a happy evening there. okay. comes to your okay. when it comes to your point, when it comes to your point, uh, when it comes to your points, we're bringing down there are two there are two different directions at the next election. the conservatives election. yeah the conservatives bringing down tax, bringing down migration . sorry. realism. let migration. sorry. realism. let me finish . let me finish . me finish. let me finish. realism on net zero. realism on gender recognition on being proud of our history. not ashamed of it. being proud of our identity, not ashamed of it. supporting brexit, not trying to get back the european get back in the european union and rwanda. i'll start with those . so let's not pretend those. so let's not pretend i know that you want to say these are urban liberal elites, are all urban liberal elites, all doing the same thing . that

all doing the same thing. that is categorically true . is categorically not true. >> uh, bob, i mean, on tax , you >> uh, bob, i mean, on tax, you know, it is a conservative government that has given us the highest know, highest tax, uh, you know, burden since world two. so burden since world war two. so that doesn't work. >> know why? because we've >> you know why? because we've had covid and we spent 350 billion on covid. and then we had the ukraine inflationary shock , i know. and then we spent shock, i know. and then we spent 93 billion on that. look we don't we all know that tax is too high. the point is that we are going to bring it down. bob i think party complained about yeahi i think party complained about yeah i don't believe that. >> and that's the point. and actually you're right about the covid cost. government covid cost. your government locked us down for a second and third time. wholly unnecessary . third time. wholly unnecessary. but weather. but where i do agree with you, where i do agree with you, there some with you, there are some differences on cultural issues and we saw that perhaps writ large at pmqs yesterday . and i large at pmqs yesterday. and i think, you know , keir starmer's think, you know, keir starmer's inability still to really define what a woman is. they are perhaps key differences . perhaps key differences. >> absolutely not. keir starmer

has defined what woman is plenty of times. and frankly , it's not of times. and frankly, it's not for politicians to waste their time on something like this. let alone when you have the mother of a murdered trans child . if of a murdered trans child. if anything shows you that rishi sunakis anything shows you that rishi sunak is unfit to rule, it's his reaction, his political tenure on that. but i will come back to your question and tell you, what's the difference between keir and rishi sunak? keir starmer and rishi sunak? the difference between the conservative party and the labour the labour party is that the conservative party had 14 years to fix this and not only have they not fixed our broken economy and are falling infrastructure, they've ruined it completely . it completely. >> okay, fine, i'm going to give bob seely the final few sentences . i'm not going to sentences. i'm not going to interrupt you at all, bob. you've what stella's had you've heard what stella's had to me the case. after to say. give me the case. after 14 years of wine , it was 14 years of wine, it was interesting that rishi sunak said, we're the party of change. uh, tell me why voting conservative will bring change. better change to people's lives. >> because nigel, we've had a world that's marked by before and after covid and before and

after the ukraine war. and we've had react to those events. is had to react to those events. is brexit not taking other benefits of brexit taking longer to deliver ? for sure, because deliver? for sure, because horrendous, real world things have got in our way. but there is a philosophical difference between labour and conservatives and a practical one, and a vote for any other conservative party apart from the conservatives will let in labour for five years or more. and i'm afraid to say that is going to be a lot worse than, in your eyes, an imperfect conservative government. we're getting there, and there significant and there are significant differences , liz, and they will differences, liz, and they will become obvious . yes. >> thank you, bob seely, very much regards to all of the scout hut . stella, you hut. stella, thank you for coming thank you. and, coming in. thank you. and, folks, we have allowed folks, you know, we have allowed boats, representing both boats, people representing both parties to have their say. i'm looking forward your answers . looking forward to your answers. i still don't think there are really, really big differences between the two. but hey , in between the two. but hey, in a moment we will talk about that. something that happened in 1972, in northern ireland, where a

british army soldier now is on a murder charge, and three others on a charge of attempted murder. i thought that boris johnson, as prime minister said , we're going prime minister said, we're going to draw a line under all of this. it appears we're not. i'll be joined in a moment by simon weston

news radio. >> well, we had that spirited debate with both labour and conservative representatives telling us how different they are. what's your reaction to the question i posed ? one viewer question i posed? one viewer says difference between them says no difference between them at all. why waste of time voting for either of them? douglas says it's a choice between dumb and dumber and trevor. now i like this one. trevor says the difference between tories and labour one is red and one is blue, and that's pretty much how i feel about the whole thing right now . now you'll remember right now. now you'll remember as went into the last general

as we went into the last general election on boris johnson saying that it really was time that we drew a line under the troubles in northern ireland and as a result of that, a piece of legislation did in the end go through parliament. not until veterans minister johnny mercer had resigned . but we do now have had resigned. but we do now have a legacy act, which comes into law fully later this year. the trouble is , any investigations trouble is, any investigations or cases that were pending are not stopped by. and so we've learned overnight that from an incident or incidents in 1972, a former british army soldier is going to be facing a murder trial. and three other british army soldiers will be facing attempted murder . now army soldiers will be facing attempted murder. now this worries me very greatly indeed. the legacy act itself is being challenged in the european court of human rights, but the irish government . but there's of government. but there's a set of huge double standards here. you

see, part of the good friday agreement and it was something that i struggled with at the time, was the release back into the community of over 400,000 convicted murderers . that's convicted murderers. that's right. 400 convicted murderers had their prison sentence ended and were sent back into the community. they came, of course, from both sides of the divide. and that was part of the amnesty, part of the deal that led to what has been a much better period of peace in northern ireland. and yet we're still going back and going after soldiers from 1972. and i wonder , i wonder, simon weston cbe, of course. well known british army veteran from the falklands war, i wonder simon, and welcome again to the program . thank you. again to the program. thank you. i wonder , you know, we're i wonder, you know, we're heanng i wonder, you know, we're hearing about terrible recruitment problems. i wonder whether cases like this send a

message that if you've served in the british army, you're not really going to get looked after very well. well that's the truth, nigel. >> um , this is doing nothing for >> um, this is doing nothing for recruitment and if somebody was to ask me today , would i advise to ask me today, would i advise a young person to join? uh, looking at the way that they're going after service personnel now, it's a double standard, as you've already alluded to, that they released all these prisoners , gave them amnesty. prisoners, gave them amnesty. but the amnesty doesn't exist for anybody else . um, but would for anybody else. um, but would you join if you could be historically dragged into court 40, 50, 60 years later when you're reaching your 70, your late 70s, early 80s, maybe even your late 80s, and then thrown in jail for the last years of your life , um, i don't know. your life, um, i don't know. there's a terrible double standard going on. um, but then again, what do we expect ? you again, what do we expect? you know, nobody's showing any great leadership on any of this. i thought boris johnson had done what he said. he would do, but it doesn't look like that's going to be the case. certainly

not . um, and in not for now anyway. um, and in the foreseeable future , will the foreseeable future, will people still be able to go after it ? um, through european it? um, through the european courts . uh, it? um, through the european courts. uh, when we are no longer a part of europe? so i just don't know where it goes. but certainly doesn't fill me but it certainly doesn't fill me with any eager . sense that i with any eager. sense that i should encourage other young people to join. i know for myself, from my own personal experience, that people are leaving in great numbers because they feel that things aren't working for them. in the british military, where military, so i don't know where it from here. nigel. it goes from here. nigel. >> when simon western says >> well, when simon western says that really you should think twice joining the british twice before joining the british army we do a very army. we really do have a very major problem . and i, i worry major problem. and i, i, i worry actually, simon, about defence as a whole. i mean, here we are with the middle east blowing up with the middle east blowing up with an ongoing sort of world war i style slaughter house happening in ukraine. we've got constant bellicose threats from china when it comes , of course, china when it comes, of course, to the islands. um, and, you

know, taiwan threatened directly . we um, i wonder simon, do we need a complete change of thinking in terms of how we deal with the military and how we deal with the three services as i think , first of all, we have i think, first of all, we have to get rid of this benign, banal thought process that there's ever a peace dividend to be achieved after we've been in conflict and we come out and then they decide to slash the services if we are to be believed to be any type of support for any peace in the world, we have to have a strong armed forces, whether people like that or not is not really relevant . relevant. >> but if you want to live a safe secure need to safe and secure life, we need to be to secure our own be able to secure our own borders other borders and support other nafions borders and support other nations they go forward to nations when they go forward to protect others who protect protect others who can't protect themselves . and at the moment, themselves. and at the moment, we can't . even my we really can't. even my regiment know, is massively regiment i know, is massively understrength. um, and they've had terrible incidents in the falklands just in the last few weeks when they had a truck go off and 19 guys end up

off the road and 19 guys end up in hospital. they've some in hospital. so they've had some real problems , but the whole real problems, but the whole of the forces , my goodness, the armed forces, my goodness, they they aren't big enough to be a dad's army, let alone to be an army of support for the european union or anybody else for nato or anything at the moment. and we need to readdress all of that. we need to be seen to be able to support. and the many americans have come forward and said that what we're doing is not good enough . many people is not good enough. many people in nato have said the same. >> yes. i mean , as you know, >> yes. i mean, as you know, i go to america regularly , uh, go to america regularly, uh, talk to a lot of senior for mostly former but some serving military commanders in america . military commanders in america. and they all say, you know, for 100 years we've been great allies. we've worked together . allies. we've worked together. we've always had a huge respect for the british forces. but we're now beginning to ask, are they big enough to be a serious player ? player? >> well, that seems to be the case, certainly. and they want to diminish it more. and then they've always said we'll rely

on on the reservists or the reservists are very good, very professional. they've had plenty of time to get it right. professional. they've had plenty of time to get it right . they of time to get it right. they still are only around about 12 or 14,000. when they were talking about when they were slashing the forces, the options for change that they going for change that they were going to 20, 30, 40,000 to create 20, 30, 40,000 reservists. but why would anybody join the military when they said , you can get paid like they said, you can get paid like a regular service person when you're already earning £50,000? why would you want to earn 11,000? because the ordinary service person is only earning about 2220 £4,000 a year. so you know why would you take a pay cut to go and risk your life and the money is a big thing. lots of service people are struggling just with the cost of living. the same as everybody else. but a dustbin man is earning far more than a professional soldier. that can't be right. that cannot be right. and we're not going to be men. they do a great job because , you know, we great job because, you know, we all need them. but at the end of the need service people

the day, we need service people and them to be paid and we need them to be paid properly take properly so that they can take their children on holiday, buy their children on holiday, buy their children on holiday, buy their children things and support themselves and buy a property as well. when they leave the armed forces have been able into larger able to contribute into a larger pension pot because of pension pot because a lot of service people don't really live a great life when they leave. some do , some don't, and we have some do, some don't, and we have to protect all of them and make it possible for them all to live properly and i don't think that's right now . that's the case right now. >> said with very >> simon weston said with very great passion and conviction. and in this general election yean and in this general election year, let's hope that we can have a lot more debate about what we're doing with our armed forces . simon, as ever, absolute forces. simon, as ever, absolute pleasure to have you on the program . wow, some strong stuff program. wow, some strong stuff there. in a moment we'll talk about the tucker carlson interview with vladimir putin. it'll play out on x, of course, at 11 pm. this evening. was he right to go to moscow? and we'll also look at the extraordinary story of the migrant living under a dinghy on dover beach . under a dinghy on dover beach. who wants to go back to europe.

but the british authorities won't let him. what on earth is going

radio. >> tucker carlson has been a huge figure in american broadcasting for many , many broadcasting for many, many years. and of course, now, because of the internet , he's because of the internet, he's seen across pretty much the whole of the english speaking world. he lost his job as the top rated presenter news .

top rated presenter at fox news. he now does his thing on x and he gets big audiences . and even he gets big audiences. and even his announcement that he was going to moscow. he did a little video to say, i'm going to go and interview vladimir putin, and interview vladimir putin, and million and even that got 100 million views x. was he right to go? views on x. was he right to go? well our newspapers and many in america have been wall to wall saying it's a huge mistake. this proves he's putin's puppet. he said things in the past that are very critical about ukraine. he doesn't want any american money going to ukraine. he'll be used as a propaganda tool by vladimir putin. and those arguments are strong . and there are many, many strong. and there are many, many of them equally . there are of them equally. there are people that say, look , talk people that say, look, talk about journalism in moscow . just about journalism in moscow. just look at the dozens of journalists that have disappeared or been killed over the course of the last few years. they are the arguments against tucker carlson going , against tucker carlson going, but i actually think it's right that he goes , provided that he that he goes, provided that he asks the right questions. well one american commentator who

very much took the view that he should go was candace owens. and ispoke should go was candace owens. and i spoke to her last night. now, somebody whose brain is without doubt a very, very agile and he's been a great, huge tv fixture in america is, of course, tucker carlson . do you course, tucker carlson. do you think tucker is wise? do you think tucker is wise? do you think he's wise going to moscow and doing a sit down with putin? >> he is incredibly wise and he is also not just wise. he's brave . there obviously has been brave. there obviously has been a lot of lies sold to us. you can just go back and look at what the mainstream media was saying. on the first that saying. on the first day that russia ukraine. it's russia invaded ukraine. it's much of their emotional engineering. people didn't understand happening, understand what was happening, but we just but we were told that we just have be with billions of have to be okay with billions of dollars overseas . and this dollars going overseas. and this is i refer to as the is what i refer to as the political commentariat , where political commentariat, where they're controlling your ideas. but you actually don't have access to true information. they're not telling you what the other president that's involved in conflict is saying. if in this conflict is saying. if you to share that

you dare to share that information, being called information, you're being called a putin puppet. it's pointedly ridiculous. we need more information in america. we believe in this radical idea of free speech and tucker carlson doing that interview , conducting doing that interview, conducting it despite the fact that nsa it despite the fact that the nsa was him, spying on his was spying on him, spying on his text messages, trying to prevent that from happening, seeing the way that they are reacting, reading news today that the eu is considering sanctioning tucker regarding an tucker carlson regarding an interview that they have not even all need even seen is all you need to know that the majority of the news that you are watching is bought and paid for, paid for and they work to serve the state and they work to serve the state and tucker carlson has gotten around that. and every individual should watch this interview. because you interview. not because you should everything should agree with everything that you that putin says, but because you should different sides and should hear different sides and come conclusions . after come to conclusions. after researching what both sides are saying , no , i agree with you and saying, no, i agree with you and you know , i understand the you know, i understand the frustration in america with sending this money abroad. >> i understand the corruption of of course i do. of ukraine. of course i do. however, i will say to you,

candace , that if you were living candace, that if you were living in now or western in poland right now or western ukraine, be a little ukraine, you might be a little bit frightened by what putin's doing bit frightened by what putin's doiiof course , by the way, you >> of course, by the way, you would always be frightened if you live in any circumstance. yeah. where you have people that are having a war your are having a war near your borders. frightened borders. right. we're frightened by the war that's happening on our and being our border right now. and being told that we shouldn't care about it because we should care more borders. more about ukraine's borders. it's pointedly know it's pointedly foolish. you know , you want to , um, so to say that you want to hear what is the reason that we are not are funding this war does not also that you don't feel also mean that you don't feel sympathetic towards ukrainians or sympathetic any or sympathetic towards any innocent civilians that are being impacted by war anywhere across world. it says. across the world. it says. you're telling me that i need to wake up in the morning and i need to go to work so that you can tax from can extract tax dollars from me to overseas , to be sent to to go overseas, to be sent to ukraine as unaccounted tax dollars, because they always magically lose this accounting. the pentagon, they have no idea where going. we where the money is going. we deserve an explanation, an honest explanation of we honest explanation of what we are ukraine. because to are doing in ukraine. because to say that we are not at war with

ukraine is simply untrue. we are fighting with fighting a proxy war with russia. hear sides russia. i want to hear all sides of equation that does of the equation and that does not remove my sympathies for how i person. russian i feel about any person. russian or innocent that or ukrainian, any innocent that has been impacted by the conflict . you're absolutely right. >> in a free democracy, we should hear all sides of the argument before we make up our minds we are . and i'll minds on where we are. and i'll give my reaction to the interview on gb news breakfast tomorrow morning at about 9:00. now, the what? the farage moment. an extraordinary story . moment. an extraordinary story. ala al—din. he's syrian . he ran ala al—din. he's syrian. he ran away from syria because he didn't want to be conscripted. he came to the uk by dinghy in 2021. he then absconded from migrant hotel to work in the illegal economy. he now finds himself living under that dinghy on dover beach . he wants. he's on dover beach. he wants. he's trying to get on the back of a lorry to get back into europe because he doesn't want to stay here anymore, and the british authorities keep stopping him from going. and actually, this authorities keep stopping him fr(a| going. and actually, this authorities keep stopping him fr(a really]. and actually, this authorities keep stopping him fr(a really funny actually, this authorities keep stopping him fr(a really funny one ally, this authorities keep stopping him fr(a really funny one because we is a really funny one because we could just send him back to

syria. syria is on a list of syria. but syria is on a list of countries that we do not deport people to, and we have no agreement with the european union. the fact union. and so, despite the fact that leave, he's that he wants to leave, he's stuck here. and we now have the really on tiktok of really odd sight on tiktok of people come to people who've illegally come to britain and illegally going britain and now illegally going back . having said back to europe. having said that, percentage that go that, the percentage that go back very , very small. now we back is very, very small. now we asked the home office for a comment on this seemingly extraordinary case and they said it is long standing government policy that we do not routinely comment on individual cases. if an individual does not have the right to be in the uk, will make every effort to return to their country of origin or a safe third country. yes, i know all of that. the point is, he's from syria and you don't deem syria to be safe. and we have no third party agreement. what a waste of space. now the row in the house of commons yesterday , in some of commons yesterday, in some ways it's is a very westminster

story . you know, it doesn't story. you know, it doesn't affect the cost of living directly , but maybe it tells us directly, but maybe it tells us something about our next potential ministers let's potential prime ministers let's remind ourselves what remind ourselves of what happened at prime minister's questions yesterday . questions yesterday. >> but it's a bit rich , mr >> but it's a bit rich, mr speaken >> but it's a bit rich, mr speaker, to hear about promises from someone who has broken every single promise. he was elected on. i mean, i think i counted almost 30 in the last yeah counted almost 30 in the last year. pensions, planning, peerages , public sector pay, peerages, public sector pay, tuition fees, childcare, second referendums, defining a woman . referendums, defining a woman. although although in fairness , although although in fairness, that was only 99% of a u—turn of all of all the work of all the weeks to say that when brianna's mother is in this chamber , oh, mother is in this chamber, oh, shame , parading as a man of shame, parading as a man of integrity when he's got absolutely no responsibility . absolutely no responsibility. >> oh, the level of moral indignation . indignation. >> and it was followed up on twitter by jess phillips and

many over the course of yesterday, big demands that sunak apologises. uh, let's have a look what he had to say. >> like everyone , i was >> like everyone, i was completely shocked by my brianna's case. to have your child taken from you in such awful circumstances is almost impossible . able to come to impossible. able to come to terms with to use that tragedy to detract from the very separate and clear point i was making about keir starmer's proven track record of multiple u—turns on major policies , u—turns on major policies, because he doesn't have a plan , because he doesn't have a plan, i think is both sad and wrong, and it demonstrates the worst of politics. >> what? he's not apologising, and he's probably right not to apologise. interesting though, that penny mordaunt, favoured by some to be the next leader, seemed should seemed to think that he should apologise. tends to apologise. but then she tends to be on these issues . be that way on these issues. what does it tell us about our leaders? says what leaders? well it says that what starmer was doing frank only starmer was doing was frank only using the murder of that young trans person, brianna , to try trans person, brianna, to try

and make a political point scoring point in prime minister's questions by saying, look, you know, there's the mother up in the gallery of the balcony, something that jacob rees—mogg pointed out to us was a completely against parliamentary rules . a completely against parliamentary rules. now we're asking him in quarter of an houn asking him in quarter of an hour, i'll be asking. jacob has the speaker done anything to enforce the rules? i think this episode says more about starmer than it does about sunak. now, the what? the farage moment to finish with coutts bank. you'll remember peter flavell. he was the former ceo. well, i got rid of him along with alison rose. in fact, he was so arrogant that he didn't even bother to respond to my emails . he didn't even bother to respond to my emails. but he didn't even bother to respond to my emails . but he he didn't even bother to respond to my emails. but he clearly backed policy, which was backed the policy, which was i had to be gotten rid of because backed the policy, which was i hdid:o be gotten rid of because backed the policy, which was i hdid:o bealignen rid of because backed the policy, which was i hdid:o bealign withi of because backed the policy, which was i hdid:o bealign with the because backed the policy, which was i hdid:o bealign with the views;e i did not align with the views of the bank. i wasn't a climate change enthusiast and many other things. well after a six month gap, coutts have now appointed a new boss. her name is emma crystal and she takes over. she's had a big job at ubs. other big jobs in private

banking over the years, and she's been ubs chief sustainability officer and executive sponsor of ubs lgbt and ally network . so there we and ally network. so there we are, coutts bank clearly have learned up solutely nothing . and learned up solutely nothing. and as far as i'm concerned, whilst i was angry about what was said in that subject access request, it was the consequent attempts just to try and brush the whole thing over with with a so—called inquiry that never, ever asked the right questions . was the the right questions. was the cover up? in my view , in my cover up? in my view, in my case, was far worse than the crime and it hasn't gone away. please believe me now it's six nafions please believe me now it's six nations rugby time , huge nations rugby time, huge audiences watching rugby at the weekends, lots of speculation about which teams are going to win england just squeaking past italy last week. also talk that rugby should be banned for under 18. i'm going to be joined by former england legend andy good

to debate this and all rugby issues . issues. >> on patrick christys tonight 9 to 11 pm. minister for common sense esther mcvey exclusively reveals . what the woke brigade reveals. what the woke brigade at the civil service are really getting up to labour's £28 billion green u—turn . surely ed billion green u—turn. surely ed miliband . has to go. nigel miliband. has to go. nigel farage reacts after an afghan refugee allegedly became a russian spy, worked for m16 , the russian spy, worked for m16, the foreign office, gchq and even met the king. plus star daily telegraph columnist allison pearson asks when will we stop importing women hating values to our civilised western society ? our civilised western society? that's patrick christys tonight, 9 to 11 pm. be there

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rugby legend, and i think you're a foreign exchange dealer now in the london, aren't you ? the city of london, aren't you? cheers. the program . cheers. welcome to the program. now rugby time. it's the now it's rugby time. it's the six it's the time six nations. it's the one time of when the public of the year when the public really get quite excited about rugby. they get big audiences watching on television. england just about scrape past italy. what's going on? >> well, if you look at the scoreline, it's we've scraped past them and italy have improved over the last improved immensely over the last few they had a bad few years. they had a really bad world cup. they've got world cup. um, but they've got a new coach in and we've got some new coach in and we've got some new young players who are exciting on form in the premiership . um, but they're premiership. um, but they're trying to change how they're playing. going to take playing. so it's going to take a bit time, and lots bit of time, but lots and lots of deputies in that. yeah, there was doubts . and was a fair few doubts. um, and we've really big we've lost some really big characters. the likes of courtney retired and courtney lawes has retired and uh, obviously news around uh, obviously the news around owen the owen farrell, he's out at the minute. selected himself to, minute. uh selected himself to, to step back from the game. so it was a good start. we could have won the game by 17 points. have we scored a try just before the end? they scored right at

the end? they scored right at the death and it makes it look like a three point victory. and we through. we scrape through. >> twickenham >> but it's twickenham which is a it. >> but it's twickenham which is a a it. >> but it's twickenham which is a a place it. >> but it's twickenham which is a a place to it. >> but it's twickenham which is a a place to mean it. what a place to go. i mean i love going twickenham. love going to twickenham. who's going win the six nations going to win the six nations thisyou'd an person >> you'd be, uh, an odd person to past ireland at the to look past ireland at the minute, but ireland do have to come twickenham, so if come to twickenham, so if england can a we've england can get on a roll, we've got tougher games as the tournament progresses. uh, wales will a step up from italy will be a step up from italy this obviously the this weekend. obviously the fierce rivalry between the two countries. um but they've countries. yeah. um but they've a very young side themselves as well. so i expect us to beat wales. that grows momentum that grows, know, a great grows, you know, a great atmosphere twickenham atmosphere at twickenham hopefully, are hopefully, which the players are asking there has asking for because there has been between been a huge disconnect between the fans and the team over the last couple of years, especially under jones. so, um, there under eddie jones. so, um, there needs to build that momentum. and to scotland and then we go up to scotland and take on that enemy as well. >> international rugby doing well, huge crowds, capacity , well, huge crowds, capacity, club rugby in trouble , clubs club rugby in trouble, clubs going bust. it somehow somehow the professional . game it just

the professional. game it just hasn't quite got the audience hasn't quite got the audience has it. >> well you say that but attendance is are huge in the premiership. um over the last few years they've grown and growing last few years they've grown and grov rounds last few years they've grown and grov rounds where last few years they've grown and grov rounds where had last few years they've grown and grov rounds where had sold few rounds where we've had sold out the place. out stadiums all over the place. the all premiership the issue is all the premiership clubs millions clubs were spending millions coming through the door. so eventually, business, eventually, as in any business, the yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> um, and it was we're going to spend, spend, spend hoping a big tv deal would come or something like football. like that, akin to the football. uh, the uh, but unfortunately, the premiership uh, but unfortunately, the p|globalhip uh, but unfortunately, the p|global game , you know, it's a global game, you know, it's very, know, played very, you know, i played abroad in they in different countries and they didn't necessarily watch the premiership. it's trying to premiership. and it's trying to grow exposure , um, to allow grow that exposure, um, to allow more to come into the more money to come into the game. you have to spend game. but you have to spend within your means. and that's where three teams went bust. they spending way too much, they were spending way too much, uh, coming they were spending way too much, uh, the coming they were spending way too much, uh, the door. coming they were spending way too much, uh, the door. and ning they were spending way too much, uh, the door. and then through the door. and then eventually the who's eventually the owner who's footing says , i've had footing the bill says, i've had enough. no. enough. yeah. no. >> understand you >> well, i understand it. you know, and all of this at time know, and all of this at a time when academics saying know, and all of this at a time when know academics saying know, and all of this at a time when know , academics saying know, and all of this at a time when know , rugbymics saying know, and all of this at a time when know , rugby should ying know, and all of this at a time when know , rugby should be; that, you know, rugby should be banned under 18, and banned for the under 18, and we'll back to that in we'll come back to that in dementia your dementia in a moment. now, your own know, massive own career, you know, massive success leicester tigers at success with leicester tigers at one all time leading one point, the all time leading point scorer. you there in

point scorer. you know there in the premiership uh, your england career kind of . would it be fair career kind of. would it be fair to say your club career would have indicated more caps for england than you actually got ? england than you actually got? >> um, possibly if you look back on it, yes. but then i was competing with a certain jonny wilkinson, who was the wilkinson, so who was the greatest fly half ever? greatest english fly half ever? um, and, you know, unfortunately, sometimes in life, you've got someone that's better than you. and i was. listen, played for england 17 listen, i played for england 17 times. was on the bench, times. i was on the bench, probably another ten. i didn't get um, i'm very grateful get on. so um, i'm very grateful to run out once for your country, alone but country, let alone 17 times. but with that, you know, i'm competing with the in the world. >> at the time, you say it was a bit unlucky to be around at the time, that's happens. time, but that's what happens. but no, no, you great but no, no, but you had a great rugby career now. so talk but no, no, but you had a great ru1both areer now. so talk but no, no, but you had a great ru1both footballn. so talk but no, no, but you had a great ru1both footballn. so about in both football and rugby about dementia mentioned dementia. i mentioned these academics under 18 should academics saying under 18 should be playing boris be banned from playing boris johnson out strongly, johnson coming out strongly, saying that mustn't saying no, that really mustn't happen. saying no, that really mustn't happen . how do we the happen. how do we get the balance right here? >> well listen, first and >> um, well listen, first and foremost, amazing foremost, rugby is an amazing game , uh, for kids, adults. game, uh, for kids, for adults. um whether you're amateur or

professional era , professional in the adult era, but of the benefits but also some of the benefits you get from a team sport and, and the values in rugby and everything, it teaches you whatever level you get to. it's an amazing so that's the an amazing sport. so that's the first thing we need to harness and keep hold yes, and keep hold of. yes, i understand these academics and keep hold of. yes, i undtalking these academics and keep hold of. yes, i undtalking about these academics and keep hold of. yes, i undtalking about the ;e academics and keep hold of. yes, i undtalking about the issues emics are talking about the issues with head injuries and for them to come out and say, you shouldn't be playing rugby under to come out and say, you sho age 't be playing rugby under to come out and say, you sho age of)e playing rugby under to come out and say, you sho age of 18,)laying rugby under to come out and say, you sho age of 18, uh,ing rugby under to come out and say, you sho age of 18, uh, it'srugby under to come out and say, you sho age of 18, uh, it's child under the age of 18, uh, it's child abuse. absolutely ridiculous. take no notice of that. it is . take no notice of that. it is. the benefits outweigh the the benefits far outweigh the dangers. and yes, there are dangers. and yes, there are dangers in any sport, in any walk of life. you know, you go onto a rugby field and it's a collision sport. it's a contact sport. can find but sport. you can find space but you going be you know they're going to be collisions. there are going to be injuries at times and um yeah that's part of the beauty of playing. trying playing. it's, you know, trying to game of rugby. and playing. it's, you know, trying to goneme of rugby. and playing. it's, you know, trying to gone me of rllittle and playing. it's, you know, trying to gone me of rllittle biti we've gone away a little bit from understanding, you know, as kids that plays they nephew that plays and they don't keep now um, they're not keep score. now um, they're not allowed scoring. you're keep score. now um, they're not alloallowed scoring. you're keep score. now um, they're not alloallowed to scoring. you're keep score. now um, they're not alloallowed to knowing. you're keep score. now um, they're not allo allowed to know who's»u're keep score. now um, they're not allo allowed to know who's won. not allowed to know who's won. and i find that baffling because life losing life is about winning and losing and from yeah. and learning from both. yeah. uh, , so, know, the uh, so, so, you know, for the academics to come out and talk

about child abuse under 18 and try rugby i try and get rugby banned, i think back think they need to get back in a box away. it's box and go away. but it's a brilliant game that we need to play brilliant game that we need to play of. under control. brilliant game that we need to playthere of. under control. brilliant game that we need to playthere are under control. brilliant game that we need to playthere are the jnder control. brilliant game that we need to playthere are the game's»ntrol. brilliant game that we need to playthere are the game's never and there are the game's never been safer in terms of, uh, and there are the game's never been safer in terms of , uh, how been safer in terms of, uh, how players looked after , uh, with players looked after, uh, with concussions and everything like that. that's key. that. and that's the key. >> losing, >> and winning and losing, of course, foreign course, is the same with foreign exchange because you exchange trading, because you can can lose can make money, you can lose money. you can. so money. of course you can. so were city boy? were you a city boy? >> rugby. >> no, no. before rugby. so i learned about foreign exchange by playing abroad. mentioned by playing abroad. you mentioned , you know, i played south , you know, i played in south africa when you africa and france. and when you were earn your own money, you take seriously. take it a bit more seriously. uh, which, certainly uh, which, uh, i certainly did. and into and that's how i looked into foreign i met foreign exchange. and i met someone in the someone that worked in the industry. obviously rugby's industry. uh, obviously rugby's a well while you're a well paid job while you're doing you play doing it, but you play your career. 18 years career. i played 18 years professionally. most careers last about ten years. uh, and you tasked with trying to be as good as can at that, but you good as you can at that, but you also out your of also want to come out of your of playing a good career playing and have a good career afterwards as so i went afterwards as well. so i went into reason around afterwards as well. so i went into money.eason around afterwards as well. so i went into money. and] around afterwards as well. so i went into money. and thenrnd afterwards as well. so i went into money. and then learned my own money. and then learned about the business and, and now i'm still eight years after retiring or thoroughly enjoying

it. yeah. good, it's good. it. yeah. it's good, it's good. you companies that you know, i help companies that have requirement have a hedging requirement and an know, with an ex exposure, you know, with mitigating risk. so um, yeah, there's plenty of good days when you're helping clients out. yeah. days when the market yeah. bad days when the market tanks well . tanks as well. >> well, i a sense, andy, >> well, i have a sense, andy, that you pretty much enjoy everything do life, everything that you do in life, don't you? yeah >> you know, greatest thing >> you know, my greatest thing is to six year old is i'm a father to six year old twins. twin identical girls. twins. um, twin identical girls. um, and everything is driven around that. and you've got to be successful and provide for your family. you've to your family. so you've got to work hard and do it with a smile on what pleasure on your face. what a pleasure to have on your face. what a pleasure to havthank you very much indeed . >> thank you very much indeed. well, knows about well, someone who knows about trading and making money and losing money, of course, is jacob rees—mogg, well known investor in the markets over the years. now jacob, i want to know you read out the rule book. yes. last night perfectly clear that the galleries not to be engaged or involved in debate in parliament. did the speaker do anything ? anything? >> well, raise it as >> well, i didn't raise it as a point the house, so point of order in the house, so it been raised , as as point of order in the house, so it aware, zen raised , as as point of order in the house, so

it aware, on raised , as as point of order in the house, so it aware, on the ed , as as point of order in the house, so it aware, on the floor,s as point of order in the house, so it aware, on the floor, but as point of order in the house, so it aware, on the floor, but its i'm aware, on the floor, but it can be the speaker. if he'd wanted to, could intervened wanted to, could have intervened and always got and the speaker's always got a difficult to difficult choice to make to allow the flow of debate to go or to be punctually and sometimes pedantic about the rules , and sometimes at pmqs rules, and sometimes at pmqs it's right to allow it to pass on. but the other thing is that starmer got it wrong because he said mrs. jibe was in the gallery when she wasn't, so he's misleading the house now. boris johnson seemed to be expelled for misleading the house. i'm just wondering whether this might be i somehow don't quite think it qualifies, but i love it very, very quickly. >> tonight, jacob, we're going to be talking about labour dropping its £28 billion in green stuff. >> this is wonderful news. the green cold green agenda is making us cold and if labour and poor. and if the labour party running away from it, party is running away from it, perhaps we'll get to a more sensible yeah well, yes. >> and not that you'll agree with this, but it now means we have a labour conservative have a labour and conservative party most indistinguishable party or most indistinguishable from when it comes to from each other when it comes to policy. can't tell the policy. i mean, i can't tell the difference but difference between them, but jacob hasn't got time to respond

this that. i'm this evening to that. i'm pleased i'll back with pleased to say i'll be back with you on monday evening at you live on monday evening at 7:00, and i'm very keen to 7:00, and i'm very, very keen to see what the weekend weather is going to be like . going to be like. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers spot of weather up. boxt boilers spot of weather on gb news is . on gb news is. >> hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast . hill snow continues in the north during the next 24 hours. spells of rain at lower levels and further south across the country as milder atlantic air starts to take over. that's been pushing up against cold arctic air in the north, and in between we've had a spell of rain, sleet and hill snow. some significant snow continues to build up from the peak district into the southern uplands, and also for the tops of the hills in northern ireland could cause some disruption overnight in places, but elsewhere, well, really at lower levels it's rain and certainly in the south a very mild night to come. ten

celsius with heavy showers for parts of wales, the south and southwest. those continue during friday. further bouts of rain or showers moving through parts of england and wales. some brighter interludes at times, but a gusty wind. meanwhile, the rain, sleet and hills snow pushes north increasingly affecting eastern scotland, where significant snow will build up during the second half of friday and into the start of the weekend. 20cm over the grampians, for example. but rain generally at lower levels as we begin the weekend for the nonh as we begin the weekend for the north and east of scotland. elsewhere brighter spells for many on saturday morning. certainly some sunshine for the north, central and eastern part of england, but further showers come through from the west later on and it's going to be much milder across most of the uk through the weekend , except for through the weekend, except for the far north of scotland . the far north of scotland. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> hello, good evening , it's news. >> hello, good evening, it's me jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation . tonight, the labour nation. tonight, the labour party, the socialists are running out of ideas as it's set to abandon its flagship green spending policy of £28 billion a yeah spending policy of £28 billion a year. but surely, if even sir keir starmer can see the problem with green policies, then the prime minister should go further

and remove more of those costs. did you know that inanimate regions of the united kingdom could be racist and colonial? well, that's exactly what a new report from a charity umbrella group is alleging . isn't it group is alleging. isn't it strange groups set up for strange that groups set up for people from the countryside by people from the countryside by people from the countryside, are accusing the countryside of being ? and are the being racist? and are the quangos up from their quangos waking up from their slumber of bureaucratic groupthink? well, the obr boss has suggested hold on to your seats, that we ought to cut benefits and kerb mass migration, for and once, someone unked migration, for and once, someone linked the obr has said something sensible and while the synthetic pressure builds for the prime minister to apologise to brianna ghey, his mother over his trance joke, surely it's sir keir starmer who should apologise for breaching erskine may and misleading the house state of the nation starts now