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so to go through the morning papers, i'm delighted to be joined now by martin townsend, former editor of the sunday express and a senior partner at pagefield. martin lovely to see you this morning. to see you too. let's get straight in the observer. we've given up the fight, tories poll defeats fight, say tories poll defeats loom . this is cabinet ministers loom. this is cabinet ministers quoted in the observer of all places , talking about how the places, talking about how the conservatives are in some sort of doom loop . i mean, they of doom loop. i mean, have they given do you agree with given up? do you agree with that analysis? given up? do you agree with that anawell, appear to be. have >> well, they appear to be. have given up on those by elections this week. i mean, they're not really, don't seem to really, you know, don't seem to be do they be campaigning, do they particularly heard much particularly hard not heard much about terms of about it at all in terms of giving up. i don't i don't know that they've given up. i just think that they are in a really tight at the moment. tight spot at the moment. they they be able to they don't seem to be able to get of it. and i personally get out of it. and i personally blame quite a lot of that on this with rwanda. this fixation with rwanda. i just think it's i just think it's everything off it's wiped everything else off the i just think it's

the board. and i just think it's beginning to look obsessive. i just think that they've become sort up by it. and sort of eaten up by it. and frankly, i think most frankly, i just think most people have, you know, more important things actually to worry their worry about than that in their day lives with the day to day lives with the economy, nhs, know, the economy, the nhs, you know, the fact can't walk 20m fact that you can't walk 20m without cannabis, without smelling cannabis, you've going you've got shoplifting going on, drive hitting drive 20m without hitting a pothole. drive 20m without hitting a potholdo you think rishi sunak's >> or do you think rishi sunak's just cautious? i mean, the just too cautious? i mean, the bloke's got nothing lose. why bloke's got nothing to lose. why doesn't he just take the fight to labour? >> well, that's the point. and i think, know, seen this think, you know, we've seen this week sure we'll touch week with i'm sure we'll touch on minute about the on it in a minute about the complete disarray. we've complete labour disarray. we've had biggest u—turn had the biggest u—turn imaginable this is you imaginable and this is you turning, you know, something turning, you know, on something that labour that many, many labour supporters as a point supporters will have as a point of principle. these are of principle. these policies are are quite dear to quite are actually quite dear to quite are actually quite dear to quite a lot of people. it's not just that on labour. i will that thought on labour. i will indeed get to. >> yes, let's about the >> yes, let's talk about the other elephant in the room, bofis other elephant in the room, boris yes. well, i just boris johnson. yes. well, i just thought it was interesting. this morning piece in the morning we got a piece in the mail sunday. we've mail on sunday. we've got a piece in the telegraph. the telegraph piece is quite funny because boris telling because it's boris telling sunak ring election so ring me for election help. so

it's need me it's like you need to call me and i might come back into the fray. i mean, is the answer to the tories woes, boris? well he's to do any harm in he's not going to do any harm in terms of campaigning. he's not going to do any harm in terris of campaigning. he's not going to do any harm in terris of ctthinkgning. he's not going to do any harm in terris of ctthinkgnilmight >> i don't think he might because don't think he will. because i don't think he will. no, no, i don't think he will. i think you can. think you can think you can. i think you can take out there on the take him out there on the stumps, the or the stumps, on the stump or the stumps, on the stump or the stump or whatever it is stomping on the stump, stomping on the stump. you can do that. stump. i think you can do that. i any notion that he's i think any notion that he's somehow anybody is actually going come replace him going to come in and replace him rishi as a leader rishi sunak as a leader is nonsense. yeah that would nonsense. yeah and that would just be completely ridiculous. nonsense. yeah and that would just be (would tely ridiculous. nonsense. yeah and that would just be (would boris diculous. nonsense. yeah and that would just be (would boris do ulous. nonsense. yeah and that would just be (would boris do it,us. >> why would boris do it, though? would he. though? why would he. >> he's i don't think he >> well, he's i don't think he is to do it. i mean i is going to do it. and i mean i think he's, he wants, he's biding thinks that biding his time. he thinks that the the plan is i think the next the plan is i think that, you know, the next leader is is going inherit is not is going to inherit a kind you know, disorganised kind of, you know, disorganised party. going to fall apart party. it's going to fall apart and he's going to sort of and he's going to come sort of sweeping in like knight in shining armour. et cetera. et cetera. >> all she'll be asking michael gave, gave a little later what >> all she'll be asking michael gaithinkse a little later what >> all she'll be asking michael gaithinkse a lit'the ater what >> all she'll be asking michael gaithinkse a lit'the ater vlback he thinks about the bring back bofis he thinks about the bring back boris plan, which should be very interesting. intrigued to know

his to that. go on his answer to that. let's go on to whether labour is or isn't working. talked the working. you've talked about the green pledge u—turn green prosperity pledge u—turn on sunday, saying on the sun on sunday, saying that, keir is also that, um, keir starmer is also sort about how much sort of lying about how much money windfall tax will money the windfall tax will recoup. saying over recoup. labour saying it's over 10 billion. the treasury saying it's 2 billion. whatever what's the at the main problem with labour at the main problem with labour at the moment as far as you're concerned? i mean 20 concerned? i mean they're 20 points the polls, so points ahead in the polls, so they be saying, well, they could be saying, well, look, have do look, we don't have to do anything. going to anything. we're just going to sail downing street. sail into downing street. >> well, yes. i don't think i think the problem is that with this, particularly with this u—turn of u—turn coming at the end of a lot of other u—turns that we've seen keir is seen in keir starmer is beginning look like he hasn't beginning to look like he hasn't got if he has got a plan. and even if he has got a plan. and even if he has got a plan. and even if he has got a plan, he's likely to go back on it in ten minutes time, which exactly what the tories which is exactly what the tories set tory strategists set out to the tory strategists are absolutely rubbing their hands yeah. he also hands with glee. yeah. he also seems be odds with his own seems to be at odds with his own chancellor, a good chancellor, which is not a good look. and you think rachel look. and what you think rachel reevesis look. and what you think rachel reeves is wearing the trousers? well, think people like me well, i think for people like me looking the labour from looking at the labour party from the how much power does the outside, how much power does reeves rayner for reeves and rayner have? for

instance, doesn't instance, keir starmer doesn't seem be a particularly seem to me to be a particularly strong leader. doesn't seem strong leader. he doesn't seem to decisive. know, he's to be decisive. you know, he's done performed this done that. he's performed this big week. you big u—turn this week. so, you know, it's all very well for labour go divisions labour to go on about divisions in the tories. what about divisions in labour? yes >> going put >> and actually i'm going to put this to pat mcfadden because we've this situation with we've had this situation with this mp making this labour mp making pretty grotesque remarks about. yeah, israel conflict and israel and the gaza conflict and also course, the spectre also of course, the spectre of tony blair in background of tony blair in the background of all this. well, he's always all of this. well, he's always there. >> $- @ puppet master, >> he's the puppet master, you know, going to know, and i think he's going to be over labour when get be all over labour when they get into know, he's he's into it. you know, he's he's he's going to have his people in there without any shadow of a doubt. >> of course he is. yeah. um, let's ongoing let's talk about this ongoing story about asylum seekers converting to christianity. sometimes last sometimes seemingly at the last minute. allowing them minute. and that's allowing them to asylum to keep on claiming asylum in this though a lot this country, even though a lot of just doing it as of them are just doing it as a complete scam. and there's this extraordinary in mail extraordinary story in the mail on sunday, about this on sunday, not only about this 14 asylum battle with this 14 year asylum battle with this paedophile has paedophile who basically has claimed christianity, now claimed christianity, and now two are having a row over two judges are having a row over whether judge been whether the first judge has been hoodwinked thinking a

hoodwinked into thinking he's a christian he's not. but christian when he's not. but then this other story then there's this other story about pastor who says, about this pastor who says, i bapfise about this pastor who says, i baptise 500, and there's a photograph of him with the viewers and listeners . for the viewers and listeners. for the listeners. there's a photograph of him sort of in the sea. is he in the channel with these migrants baptising them? and then he says, and funnily enough, we never saw 60% of them again. well of course you wouldn't. this is this is just nonsense. >> it is. it is. and you know, this is this is industrial scale baptisms right within an organisation that ten minutes ago couldn't get, couldn't assemble five people for a church service . it's a very good church service. it's a very good point. yes. you know, you would wonder about this, but you know, there is a serious side to this, which is that people being which is that the people being bapfised which is that the people being baptised they're baptised are rapists. they're murderers sex offenders murderers, they're sex offenders , you know, where is the archbishop of canterbury kind of view this? view on this? >> well, we hear his views about rwanda and it's like he doesn't like that we hear him like that plan. so we hear him at but we haven't heard at times, but we haven't heard him curiously. him on this curiously. >> think this is

>> no. and i think this is a this is a matter this is a loophole in the law that basically the church are helping along. right. basically, they're allowing who are allowing asylum seekers who are i mean, the church's job, as far as i can make out, is to spread peace and love and unity and all of these things. how does that square with allowing a rapist or a to stay in this a murderer to stay in this country and carry on doing whatever things whatever nefarious things they're mean, in they're doing? i mean, in the case this paedophile, case of this paedophile, 14 years, reading that years, i was just reading that story these people are story thinking, these people are just at us. just laughing at us. >> it's going from one >> yes, it's going from one little lawyer to another to another. i mean, lawyers are another. i mean, the lawyers are making of money making great amounts of money from you make the from it. presumably you make the point justin welby. point about justin welby. interestingly, carey is interestingly, george carey is in the telegraph. former archbishop of canterbury, basically that the church basically saying that the church must crack down, of course. and it as if they're being it seems as if they're being completely exploited let's move it seems as if they're being compchurchaxploited let's move it seems as if they're being compchurch toloited let's move it seems as if they're being compchurch to crown. let's move it seems as if they're being compchurch to crown. oh, s move it seems as if they're being compchurch to crown. oh, yes. we from church to crown. oh, yes. and talk about the king on the front page of the sunday express is his message to the nation, basically saying thank you for your support, but also how pleased is that he's raised pleased he is that he's raised awareness cancer, i awareness of cancer, which i

think from a pr think i mean, from a pr perspective. you think that perspective. did you think that the that buckingham the candle that buckingham palace shown, not about palace has shown, not just about the enlarged prostate, but also this been a good thing? this has been a good thing? i think been fantastic. think it's been fantastic. >> do, and i think it's >> i really do, and i think it's a continuation of how the queen was you know, with was during, you know, with her famous about covid. famous speech about covid. >> meet again. >> we will meet again. >> we will meet again. >> will meet again. and, you >> we will meet again. and, you know, whole point about know, the whole point about about you know, is he about the king, you know, is he is and it's very important is there and it's very important at the moment that the king stabilises . at the moment that the king stabilises. it's a very we at the moment that the king stabilises . it's a very we live stabilises. it's a very we live in a very unstable time. there's all the things we've been discussing this morning, and it's that the it's very important that the monarchy as of monarchy is there as a sort of a symbol of stability. and obviously the idea that the king is ill know, has a, you is ill and, you know, has a, you know, a serious condition is going to be worrying for a lot of people. and what he's done here is he's calmed it down by being very transparent about the things going on, and things that are going on, and also saying, you know, i want also by saying, you know, i want to other people to to encourage other people to come , know, in come forward, you know, not in so many but that's what so many words, but that's what it does because it it kind of raises awareness. >> is take on >> the sunday times is take on

it their headline was sort it with their headline was sort of fragile monarchy. it's a fragile of affairs. fragile state of affairs. everything's quite everything's looking quite slimmed enough slimmed down. are there enough royals around? do royals to go around? i mean, do you about the future of you worry about the future of the institution? >> not at all. i don't worry about all because i think about it at all because i think actually at this we've seen here, there are there are moves going was interesting going on. it was interesting that appointed that prince william appointed this ian patrick, this man. i think ian patrick, this man. i think ian patrick, this former diplomat with this week's former diplomat with all this geo geopolitical all of this geo geopolitical knowledge, william is looking forward. i mean, he's not thinking, oh, you know, my dad's not going be around tomorrow, not going to be around tomorrow, but preparing, they're preparing and they're putting and they're and they're putting the in a good place. the monarchy in a good place. and i feel very confident about the, royal family i don't the, the royal family i don't think at all. think it's fragile at all. there's of strong, you there's a lot of strong, you know, people with still know, strong people with still within think it'll be fine. >> i'll be discussing that further ailsa anderson further with ailsa anderson a little later on the martin little later on the show. martin townsend, much for townsend, thank you so much for joining this morning. now, as joining me this morning. now, as i said, the panel is i said, the people's panel is back sophie reaper is in back and sophie reaper is in manchester. sophie, what's the main there main topic of conversation there this morning? >> well, we're talking about plenty of things here this

morning at the lovely press in the northern quarter of manchester, of course, joined by my wonderful people's panel today as the people's channel. we want to get the people's voices , so we'll get straight voices, so we'll get straight into it. i know they've got some questions for your guests on your program this morning. of course, you're going to be joined by current levelling up secretary former secretary michael gove, former chancellor kwasi kwarteng and labour's so we'll labour's pat mcfadden. so we'll come first, i come to yourself first, matt, i believe question believe you've got a question for yes for us. yes >> so my questions for either of the conservative politicians , do the conservative politicians, do you honestly believe the rwanda scheme will work and just to come back to yourself on that, matt, do you believe it can, in its current form? >> and if not, what would you do to change it? >> okay, well, i'm not sure it will work because the amount of people that are coming. oh, we've been that only about we've been told that only about 500 go the first year. 500 can go in the first year. i'm if that will grow, i'm not sure if that will grow, but believe the echr will but i also believe the echr will will be a thorn in the side of this plan. um, without this plan. um, so without leaving the echr, i don't think the scheme will work at all.

>> thank you very much. be very interesting to hear what they have to say on that. sam we'll come yourself next. uh, talk come to yourself next. uh, talk to you are a landlord here to me. you are a landlord here in so talk to me. in manchester, so talk to me. i'm a question i'm sure you've got a question for levelling up secretary michael gove. >> got a question for mr >> i have got a question for mr gove. mr gove, it's quite specific, actually, energy specific, actually, about energy costs dampness and mould in costs and dampness and mould in this so gove is this country. so mr gove is quoted saying that it is his quoted as saying that it is his relentless focus to ensure that the citizens of this country, um, have the right to live somewhere warm , decent, safe and somewhere warm, decent, safe and secure. now i'm a landlord and i've been a landlord 20 years and my tenant, who i'm with in constant contact with. i'm a good, responsible landlord. they can't afford heat their homes can't afford to heat their homes for the first time ever. we're having problems with dampness and properties , and and mould in our properties, and it's of the rising it's because of the rising energy costs. it's outrageous. what is he going to do about that? is he connecting the dots at all? >> thank you so much. and we're going to be coming to yourself in the next hour. thank you very much, hillary. but i believe

we've got to go back to yourself now, camilla. so it will be interesting see your interesting to see what your guests have say about those guests have to say about those questions today. >> thank you >> great questions. thank you very indeed, sophie. very much indeed, sophie. and don't tomorrow. so it's don't forget, tomorrow. so it's a gb news because a big moment for gb news because we're to have the people's we're going to have the people's forum at 8 pm. with the prime minister, rishi sunak, you minister, rishi sunak, so you won't want miss that. don't won't want to miss that. don't go because just go anywhere because in just a few minutes going to be few minutes i'm going to be speaking the former speaking to the former chancellor, and chancellor, kwasi kwarteng, and getting grips to why he announced he's announced this week that he's stepping down an mp. stepping down as an mp. >> hi rishi, here as prime minister, i'm focussed on delivering on your priorities , delivering on your priorities, so i'll be on the road to join gb news for a special people's forum on monday the 12th of february, where i'll be taking questions from a live audience about the issues that really matter to you the economy, immigration and the nhs. see you there .

>> welcome back. former chancellor of the exchequer kwasi kwarteng, mp for spelthorne, joins me now. kwasi lovely to see you this morning. so why are you standing down. well i just thought after 14 years it's quite a long time and it's probably time for to move on and i think that happens in lots of people's lives. i mean, it doesn't show that much confidence in the tories. >> not at all. it's a personal decision. and actually many years ago, i remember writing a book where i thought we should have tum limits for mps because i think people the danger is that not that they leave too soon, people stay a bit soon, but people stay on a bit too long. soon, but people stay on a bit too was|. soon, but people stay on a bit too was it the case that the >> was it the case that the reaction to the mini—budget and everything that subsequently happened not happened was so bruising? not really had an impact, because last be saying last year you wouldn't be saying that were going to stand that you were going to stand down this year. >> well, been thinking >> well, i've been thinking about long time. have about it for a long time. have you? long? and there was you? how long? and there was well, the beginning well, ever since the beginning of parliament. actually, of the parliament. actually, i had thought i thought and had thought i had thought and i was of state at that was minister of state at that point. i had thought that, you know, terms, three

know, three terms, three obviously had more elections, obviously we had more elections, but in but 15 years is probably, in this climate, this modern climate, a reasonable of time to be reasonable amount of time to be an mp. so a lot of the thinking about that frankly , you about that was was frankly, you know, in mind know, germinating in my mind before that. >> but you're now one of 56 tories to say there standing down. you're majority down. i mean, you're a majority is what, about 18,000. yeah. i'm confident would have held the confident i would have held the seat. >> i'm fi- % yes i am i wouldn't >> i'm not. yes i am i wouldn't be somebody who would have thought i would lose. but thought that i would lose. but why are so mps why are so many mps jumping ship? have of ship? well, they have lots of reasons. for, for reasons. i mean, for, for a start, i think the fact that we're facing a difficult election has something to do with to be honest with it. you've got to be honest about um, the climate about that. um, but the climate of being an mp, a of people of being an mp, a lot of people are that difficult as are finding that difficult as well. a huge, uh, you know, well. it's a huge, uh, you know, stress family life. i to stress on family life. i hate to say it, but it's i mean, i've never felt under any physical threat whatsoever, but i think a lot colleagues, frankly, have lot of colleagues, frankly, have did get lot of abuse after did you get a lot of abuse after the not the mini—budget? not really. i mean, 1 2 comments here and mean, 1 or 2 comments here and there . um, and mean, 1 or 2 comments here and there. um, and i mean, 1 or 2 comments here and there . um, and i always use the there. um, and i always use the public. i mean, people who know me always use public transport. >> i transport. » . >> yeah, i know you're always

out yeah, i'm always out and about. yeah, i'm always out and about. yeah, i'm always out and about. yeah, i'm always out and about. >> so. out and about. >> that's right. so. and i, i took that decision and actually, you for the month or you know, for the first month or two, the odd comment and then, and then that dies down. i think most are very respectful. most people are very respectful. >> there's a on the front >> there's a story on the front of the observer today saying the tories given up the tories have given up on the general so general election. so i'm wondering, rishi wondering, presumably rishi sunak you stay sunak phoned you beg you to stay on. at all. on. no not at all. >> i didn't hear anything from him. wouldn't him. but really, i wouldn't expect that because what the prime minister didn't phone us saying you're a former chancellor. no, i mean, chancellor. no, no, no, i mean, he he's busy, he's doing he i mean, he's busy, he's doing his he's trying to. his work. he's trying to. >> he not phoning these >> but is he not phoning these mps saying, please. you mps and saying, no, please. you know, with me. stick with know, stick with me. stick with the five point plan. >> i'm not sure that their outreach plan is necessarily working effectively. outreach plan is necessarily working to fectively. outreach plan is necessarily working to me.vely. outreach plan is necessarily working to me. well, i just explain that to me. well, i just don't um, know, that don't think, um, you know, that that got the bandwidth that they've got the bandwidth to, keep communicating to, to, to keep communicating with, the way with, with people in the way that should. mm of that they should. mm um, but of course, you with mps or the course, you mean with mps or the public. well, with i mean, public. well, with mps, i mean, you see that with, with, you could see that with, with, you could see that with, with, you people robert you know, people like robert jenrick leaving government. you know, people like robert jenrick liaving government. you know, people like robert jenrick [i don't government. you know, people like robert jenrick [i don't know>vernment. you know, people like robert jenrick [i don't know whatnent. i mean, i don't know what conversations they had, but we've got to be honest. and say,

you some of these you know, some of these personal, you know, relationships need to personal, you know, rel worked ps need to personal, you know, relworked on. need to be worked on. >> is he not good fostering >> is he not good at fostering good his mps? good relations with his mps? i mean, had cameron, didn't we, mean, we had cameron, didn't we, back day sort of doing back in the day sort of doing canapes and sandwiches every five i it's five minutes. i think it's always challenge. always a challenge. >> to be to number 10, >> and to be fair to number 10, they have i have been invited to things, things actually. they have i have been invited to thingsare things actually. they have i have been invited to thingsare lots things actually. they have i have been invited to thingsare lots ofings actually. they have i have been invited to things are lots of events,ually. there are lots of events, i know, but it is intriguing that the prime minister contact. >> no, didn't let him. i mean, >> no, i didn't let him. i mean, he was a chancellor >> so to be fair to him, the day i was sacked as chancellor, he >> so to be fair to him, the day i wecallcked as chancellor, he >> so to be fair to him, the day i wecall met as chancellor, he >> so to be fair to him, the day i wecall me and chancellor, he >> so to be fair to him, the day i wecall me and we ncellor, he >> so to be fair to him, the day i wecall me and we had.or, he >> so to be fair to him, the day i wecall me and we had a', he >> so to be fair to him, the day i wecall me and we had a very did call me and we had a very good conversation i see him occasionally. >> what say when he >> what did he say when he called when he was? >> what did he say when he caliwell, when he was? >> what did he say when he caliwell, i when he was? >> what did he say when he caliwell, i mean, 1e was? >> what did he say when he caliwell, i mean, he nas? >> what did he say when he caliwell, i mean, he just said, >> well, i mean, he just said, you know, he commiserated and he was, was a colleague and he's was, he was a colleague and he's somebody i regard somebody that i have i regard him a friend. i we were him as a friend. i mean, we were when he into parliament, when he came into parliament, he was you was clearly one of the, you know, very people that had know, very able people that had come in that among come in in that election among many. up many. um, and i struck up a friendship him. i thought friendship with him. i thought he a really capable he was a really good and capable mp. backbench mp then minister. >> but then are you disappointed with his performance as both chancellor prime chancellor and indeed prime minister? i was intrigued to find out this week that the

treasury now briefing treasury has now briefing smaller when only smaller tax cuts, when only five minutes hunt of minutes ago, jeremy hunt sort of saying to channel saying that he wants to channel his inner lawson. his inner nigel lawson. >> to be fair to rishi >> so look, to be fair to rishi and i was responsible for this. apparently he came under apparently he he came in under massive pressure and the markets were crazy. he had to were going crazy. he had to stabilise the situation. jeremy hunt, if you recall, was actually appointed by, by by liz truss. i always point this out. people always think do we think rishi sunak didn't really want to i don't to have jeremy? well, i don't know about that. but it's unusual and said this unusual and i've said this before, but it's unusual for a new minister to bring new prime minister not to bring in chancellor of the in their own chancellor of the exchequer. it's exchequer. that's rare. it's a matter of fact. yes. um, and i think he was under a lot of pressure. and the situation that he found himself in was, was, was charged and was highly charged and difficult. and what he did , i difficult. and what he did, i think he did very well. he stabilised things. he was calm. he took a measured approach. he always that that would only always said that that would only be stage. you know, it be the first stage. you know, it was necessary but sufficient was necessary but not sufficient to , to calm things down. in to win, to calm things down. in order to win, you had to have a platform, um, and a program that is attractive to a majority or a

large number of people. and that's something that i'm afraid i think we're still working on. if you look at the polls, i mean , it's interesting to that , it's interesting to me that the polling situation isn't the polling situation now isn't that what was that different from what it was at the end of 2022. yes >> he's not really moved the dial at all. >> well, i don't think he has. >> well, i don't think he has. >> so should he do ? >> so what should he do? >> so what should he do? >> so what should he do? >> so i've written about this and very keen that this and i'm very keen that this should happen. don't should happen. i don't think there's us getting there's any chance of us getting back in to government simply just by more , you know, steady just by more, you know, steady as she goes. no, i think there's got to be something, uh, there's got to be something, uh, there's got to be something, uh, there's got to be something that's attractive to voters rather than caution a little bit. i mean, in a way, if the criticism against liz and i was trying to do was that it was too much, too fast, i think the danger is that you overcorrect it and do not very much. you know , very slowly, as much. you know, very slowly, as it were. yes and i think there has to be a middle way. >> well, give me some examples like the budget instance. like the budget for instance. seems to be this kind of, you

know, everywhere, everything's resting if resting on the budget. if he doesn't a rabbit out of the doesn't pull a rabbit out of the hat on march the 6th, i think there has to some attractive offer. >> should the. >> what should the. >> what should the. >> look at like look at >> if you look at like look at broadly conservative party, broadly at conservative party, you life, you know, all through my life, if the principal things you know, all through my life, if conservativesipal things you know, all through my life, if conservatives shouldngs that conservatives should be fighting lower taxes and fighting for are lower taxes and secure borders, stronger immigration. >> yeah, and strong on taxes. and if you look at our see an immigration cap for. yes. i mean there's got to be something on it. i mean yeah. you know, on two of those metrics we haven't frankly performed well. no. frankly performed very well. no. and involved and i've been involved with that. been that. other people have been responsible for. >> if you were going to >> i mean, if you were going to cap would you cap immigration, what would you put currently put it at? it's currently at 755. just as a matter of 755. so, so just as a matter of fact, stood in 2010, our fact, when i stood in 2010, our policy was tens of thousands. >> cameron >> that's what david cameron said. 14 years later said. and if 14 years later you've got 745,000, that's a problem . you've clearly not done problem. you've clearly not done what you said you were going to do. >> should they say 200,000? >> should they say 200,000? >> i think they should. i think they've got to work towards a cap. yeah. and they've got to try convincing about it. try and be convincing about it. >> on iht income tax. >> and on taxes, iht income tax. nice would you look

bringing. >> we did nice and if you >> so we did nice and if you remember liz truss campaigned on reversing the ni tax increase, which we successively did . and which we successively did. and the other thing that she campaigned on was not increasing corporation tax. now i think our problem my problem was that we brought too in many things, other things and the mini—budget. stuck to mini—budget. if we just stuck to those and shown some those two things and shown some restraint at the same restraint on saving at the same time, i don't think any of the tell me one tax that you think jeremy hunt should reduce in march . well, i would say , um, march. well, i would say, um, looking at, you know, where we are with corporation tax, i don't think that should increase . also think . um, and i also think thresholds for inheritance tax should be increased, right. because simply there's a lot of drag in that. okay. um, and clearly a of people, clearly a lot of people, particularly the south east, particularly in the south east, particularly in the south east, particularly tory areas , um, are particularly tory areas, um, are having pay inheritance tax on having to pay inheritance tax on properties their parents properties that their parents might have spent all their lives working. although isn't there that that doesn't that argument that it doesn't actually that many people? >> inheritance tax? think it's >> inheritance tax? i think it's a have a perception a people have a perception it will them, doesn't. >> that's right, doesn't. but

>> that's right, it doesn't. but the it does affect, it the people it does affect, it affects seriously, affects quite seriously, how about freezing rate about the freezing of tax rate bands should. >> that's again in fiscal >> that's again frozen in fiscal drags a massive problem. >> problem. and the >> it's a huge problem. and the reason there is because reason why it's there is because the obviously scores things the obr obviously scores things and know, and says, well, look, you know, you the economy isn't you can't the economy isn't growing. that's fundamental growing. that's the fundamental problem. order to raise problem. and in order to raise tax it's easy to do it tax revenue, it's easy to do it in a in a stealth tax way and simply just freezing the bands should they be unfrozen. and i think got to look at think you've got to look at that. mean, you look at the that. i mean, if you look at the way in which rate was way in which the 40% rate was introduced those years ago, introduced all those years ago, that a top rate tax. you that was a top rate of tax. you know, who are paying 40% that was a top rate of tax. you knowa who are paying 40% that was a top rate of tax. you knowa very who are paying 40% that was a top rate of tax. you knowa very small are paying 40% that was a top rate of tax. you knowa very small proportion 40% that was a top rate of tax. you knowa very small proportion of)% were a very small proportion of wage earners today . so many wage earners today. so many people are brought into that tax bracket. and clearly the more you if inflation is running very high, high and you stick to those tax bands that that level will more and more people are going to pay more tax. >> what do you make of reports that the tories should bring back boris? >> well, i think in a way, and i've been a boris fan i've always been a big boris fan because him campaign because i've seen him campaign on many so on so many times, so effectively. mean, the

effectively. i mean, he won the mayoralty brexit, mayoralty twice, he won brexit, he won the leadership, he he won the tory leadership, he won election. and won that general election. and people were lots people could say there were lots of factors. course of other factors. of course there he had a very there were. but he he had a very good electoral good success as an electoral force. and i think saying, oh, well, he should come back is a sign that, you know, things are very difficult. but do you think rishi him? rishi should call him? >> suggestion >> that's the suggestion in the sunday johnson's sunday telegraph that johnson's waiting for a phone call, because said that he's not because i said that he's not very out. very good at reaching out. >> is if you want >> my view is if you want somebody you should reach somebody help, you should reach out what out to them. yes. that's what you yes. you were you would do. yes. if you were in difficult spot and you in a difficult spot and you wanted a friend you or wanted a friend to help you or somebody to help you. yeah. you would probably phone would probably pick up the phone or that he needs. well, or admit that he needs. well, there's of that nemesis. there's all of that ego nemesis. there's ego and there's all of that ego and nonsense. but you have to be realistic. you know, we're 20 points and the polls points behind and the polls haven't really moved in the last yeah haven't really moved in the last year. yeah. so it's not time simply to more , more, you know, simply to more, more, you know, more of the same . no. something more of the same. no. something has to change for us to have a chance of winning and if that means swallowing some pride and suppressing a bit of ego and reaching out to someone who's

approved. campaigner. yeah, then he do he should do that. >> right. thank you very >> all right. thank you very much indeed. kwasi kwarteng, for joining morning . lovely joining us this morning. lovely to speak to you. lots more to come today's show. i'm going come on today's show. i'm going to be joined by michael gove. the and housing the levelling up and housing secretary. i'll also be speaking to chancellor the to the shadow chancellor of the duchy lancaster , pat duchy of lancaster, pat mcfadden. want to miss duchy of lancaster, pat mc soiden. want to miss duchy of lancaster, pat mcso don't want to miss duchy of lancaster, pat mcso don't go want to miss duchy of lancaster, pat mcso don't go anywhere.|t to miss duchy of lancaster, pat mcso don't go anywhere. see miss it, so don't go anywhere. see you very .

soon welcome back . so much more to welcome back. so much more to come in the next hour. we've got levelling up secretary michael gove and pat mcfadden, the man managing labour's election campaign. first, here's the campaign. but first, here's the news with tatiana sanchez . news with tatiana sanchez. camilla thank you. your top stories from the gb newsroom. the foreign secretary says he's deeply concerned about the prospect of a planned israeli

ground invasion of the southern gaza city of rafah. >> lord cameron said on his ex account the priority must be an immediate pause in the fighting and progress towards a permanent ceasefire . yesterday, at least ceasefire. yesterday, at least 44 palestinians, including more than a dozen children, were killed by israeli airstrikes in rafah . israel's prime minister rafah. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu , who benjamin netanyahu, who signalled there would be an imminent invasion, saying he'd asked his military to prepare to evacuate hundreds of thousands of civilians . his aim, he says, of civilians. his aim, he says, defeating hamas is. of civilians. his aim, he says, defeating hamas is . the defence defeating hamas is. the defence secretary is said to be furious as he orders a review of the ministry of defence's diversity and inclusivity policy. it comes as there has been reported in today's telegraph that the army wants to relax security clearance vetting for overseas recruits to boost diversity and inclusion in grant shapps told the sunday telegraph that he's ready to go to battle over the matter. he's warned that there will be no lowering of security

clearance requirements on his watch . according to the paper, watch. according to the paper, the uk's armed forces are looking overseas because they've reportedly failed to hit recruit targets . fujitsu who is said to targets. fujitsu who is said to have received more than £54 billion through contracts from treasury linked organisations in 2019 despite its role in the post office scandal. the commons treasury committee says fujitsu was awarded around £14 billion worth of deals since a 2019 high court ruling concluding there'd be numerous failings in its horizon. it system . £2 billion horizon. it system. £2 billion worth of contracts were also agreed before 2019 and remained active thereafter. a group of mps wrote to organisations including hmrc, the financial conduct authority and the bank of england to demand details of their agreements with fujitsu . their agreements with fujitsu. the committee said all three have spent considerable sums with them and the king has shared his heartfelt thanks for

the overwhelming public support he's received. in his first message to the public since being diagnosed with cancer, his majesty said such kind thoughts are greatest comfort and encouragement to him. news of the diagnosis was announced by buckingham palace on monday that he's facing a form of cancer. unrelated to his recent prostate treatment , the king says sharing treatment, the king says sharing his own diagnosis , ipsis has his own diagnosis, ipsis has helped promote public understanding and shine a light on the work of many organisations supporting cancer patients and their families across the uk and the wider . across the uk and the wider. world for the latest stories , world for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. carmela now it's back to . camilla. now it's back to. camilla. welcome back to the camilla tominey show. >> still lots more to come in. just a minute. i'm going to be joined by the shadow chancellor

of the duchy of lancaster, pat mcfadden. i'll be asking him whether has scored an own mcfadden. i'll be asking him whet with has scored an own mcfadden. i'll be asking him whet with its has scored an own mcfadden. i'll be asking him whet with its u—turn;cored an own mcfadden. i'll be asking him whet with its u—turn on'ed an own mcfadden. i'll be asking him whet with its u—turn on green own goal with its u—turn on green jobs. i'll asking michael jobs. i'll be asking michael gove, secretary gove, levelling up secretary why he's reportedly fallen out with his kemi his former protege kemi badenoch. i'll also be joined by sir simon mayall, the former deputy of the chief of the defence staff , who will us defence staff, who will tell us whether he joe biden is whether he thinks joe biden is fit to be us president. queen elizabeth ii's former press secretary, elsa andersson, will also to discuss all also join me to discuss all things royal following the king's cancer diagnosis , and king's cancer diagnosis, and we'll get the verdict live from our panel our people's panel in manchester. first of all, manchester. but first of all, i'm joined by shadow chancellor of of lancaster, pat of the duchy of lancaster, pat mcfadden , labour for mcfadden, the labour mp for wolverhampton south east. mr mcfadden, lovely to see you this morning. the for you turn on the green prosperity plan comes after a great deal of flip flopping. i mean i could go through the list, but we've had all sorts of u—turns from sir keir starmer. is he all sorts of u—turns from sir keir starmer . is he indecisive all sorts of u—turns from sir keir starmer. is he indecisive ? keir starmer. is he indecisive? incompetent? why can't he stick to labour's plan? mr mcfadden ?

to labour's plan? mr mcfadden? >> well, we announced this plan two and a half years ago at a time when interest rates were only 0.1, basically zero. they're . now 5.25. and any of they're. now 5.25. and any of your viewers who've had to remortgage in the last year or so will know that that makes a huge difference to the cost of borrowing. and for the country , borrowing. and for the country, it means that the cost of borrowing is now £70 billion a year higher than when the plan was first announced, and as you approach the election as you're writing your manifesto, we're going to have an election this yeah going to have an election this year. it's really important to look at everything you've said in the past few years and ask yourself the question , does that yourself the question, does that fit with the economic circumstance of today or the ones two and a half years ago ? ones two and a half years ago? >> but he's flip flopped on so much, hasn't he? i mean , we've much, hasn't he? i mean, we've got flip flopping on nationalising utilities, outsourcing in the nhs . he's outsourcing in the nhs. he's flip flopping on the support of trade unions, free movement , trade unions, free movement, abolishing universal credit

supporting jeremy corbyn then not supporting jeremy corbyn, abolishing tuition fees, universal child care, rent control . rules, the ulez control. rules, the ulez expansion. i mean, it's too many to mention. so the only conclusion that gb news viewers and listeners can draw is that he simply doesn't have a plan , he simply doesn't have a plan, or at least not one he can stick to . to. >> well, i think you're reading out a tory talking points there about not having actually in political , even after they political, even after they change, even after the change that we announced, a few days ago, we're still going to have gb energy, a publicly owned energy firm that will help drive the transition to clean power. we're still going to have a national wealth fund to invest in things like making sure the country's got a steel industry in the future , we're going to in the future, we're going to have investment in our ports, we're going to have a plan to insulate more homes. we're going to have a plan to insulate more homes . we're going insulate more homes. we're going to have local power plans . to have local power plans. there's still a lot in this plan that will create jobs, give us

more energy security and be a good plan for the country. i'm sorry, i'm having a bit of earpiece problems here, but i'll do my best. >> mcfadden. hopefully you >> mr mcfadden. hopefully you can hear let me ask >> mr mcfadden. hopefully you can about ear let me ask >> mr mcfadden. hopefully you can about the let me ask >> mr mcfadden. hopefully you can about the labour me ask >> mr mcfadden. hopefully you can about the labour candidate you about the labour candidate in rochdale. azhar ali. now he's had to apologise for making, i would say , some extremely would say, some extremely offensive remarks. he said that israel let its people be killed so it could invade gaza. he's a labour candidate in rochdale . labour candidate in rochdale. you can't make comments like that and expect to run for office, can you ? he shouldn't be office, can you? he shouldn't be a labour candidate, should he ? a labour candidate, should he? look his comments were completely wrong and they don't represent labour's views. >> don't represent my views. keir starmer's views. he has apologised and retracted. i think it's right that he does so. i hope he learns from this and those views were completely wrong. they should never have said something like that. >> is it appropriate that he's still a candidate if his views are that wrong? i appreciate it, an but what else does an apology, but what else does this believe? there's also

this man believe? there's also a piece in the jewish chronicle. this morning suggesting that he has given funding to an extremist mosque . extremist mosque. >> well , i extremist mosque. >> well, i haven't seen that report, but he's completely apologised for those remarks . apologised for those remarks. and as i said, it's quite right that he does so because they were completely wrong . he's were completely wrong. he's retracted them and it's right that he does that to . that he does that to. >> can i ask you a question about tony blair, who i knew you once worked very closely with? mr mcfadden. there's a suggestion in the sunday times today that heavily involved today that he's heavily involved in labour's operation. just how involved is tony. blair? >> well, i'm not aware that he is. i mean, i think he spends a lot of time in the middle east these days. so, uh, i don't know that that's true. i read all sorts of reports about who's involved in what and who's up and who's down, and i don't recognise most of them, to be honest . what we are doing is honest. what we are doing is getting on with the job. and, uh, we've got an election coming up. we want to make sure that

our and ready . our manifesto is fit and ready. if we have to make some changes to things that we've to to things that we've said to make that case, we'll do make that the case, we'll do that. that's an exercise of leadership. it's a sign of strength that we do that and when we go to the people, whenever the prime minister's got to actually call got the courage to actually call an election, we want a manifesto that gives people hope and everything in it can be delivered. and that's what we're going to do. >> what kind of prime minister will keir starmer be? because i'm bit is he i'm a bit confused. is he a corbynista ? having supported corbynista? having supported jeremy corbyn for all those years, or is he actually a blairite? because there seems to be confusion in the party as well. we've on one hand well. we've got on one hand people he's not left people saying that he's not left wing on the other that wing enough on the other that he's too wing. who is this he's too right wing. who is this guy? mcfadden ? guy? mr mcfadden? >> he's his own man, is the answer . uh, >> he's his own man, is the answer. uh, camilla, i've got to push back a wee bit on your stuff about u—turns . this prime stuff about u—turns. this prime minister we've got is a walking, living u—turn. he's only there because the tories had to u—turn on a disastrous budget. it's the

only reason he's prime minister. they didn't even him. they didn't even vote for him. he's personification of he's the personification of u—turn. well let's talk about another u—turn . another u—turn. >> abolishing. abolishing the house of lords was something that sir keir starmer announced some years ago. apparently you don't want to do that anymore. maybe want to limit the maybe you just want to limit the number of hereditary peers. so that's a major u—turn, isn't it, for labour? >> well, look, let's see what the manifesto has got to say about that. oh the manifesto has got to say about that. on are you going to aboush about that. on are you going to abolish the house of lords then? >> but we haven't published our manifesto . manifesto. >> and when the prime minister eventually works up the courage to stop hiding from the election , that's got to come. we will pubush , that's got to come. we will publish our manifesto and they'll be definitely something about the house of lords in that. >> but would you like to see the house of lords abolished ? mr house of lords abolished? mr mcfadden, what's your personal opinion ? i'm really sorry about opinion? i'm really sorry about the earpiece . don't worry. the earpiece. don't worry. >> you're looking great there. house of lords is indefensible in its current form. it has to be changed. and we'll set out

the plans for doing that in our manifesto. when the prime minister eventually an minister eventually calls an election . election. >> one final question, mr mcfadden , and thank you for mcfadden, and thank you for beanng mcfadden, and thank you for bearing with that earpiece . i've bearing with that earpiece. i've been that position myself. been in that position myself. where out. where the earpiece has come out. um, do you think it a um, do you think it was a mistake for keir starmer to politicise tragic murder of politicise the tragic murder of brianna ghey ? i mean, he wasn't brianna ghey? i mean, he wasn't meant to refer to somebody in the gallery. it's clearly stipulated in erskine may that that's a no. no. why did he do that's a no. no. why did he do that ? no i that's a no. no. why did he do that? no i don't think your summary of that is right. >> i don't think that's what keir starmer did. i think the big lesson from from that prime minister's questions exchange last week is that when the prime minister throws a shot like that across the despatch box, you've got to remember this debate has real people and real lives at the heart of it. and i think thatis the heart of it. and i think that is the big lesson from last week . week. >> okay. pat mcfadden, thank you for bearing with your earpiece and for us this morning. it's been really great to speak to

you.thank been really great to speak to you. thank you very much. okay. take care. thank not take care. thank you. do not move muscle because in just move a muscle because in just a minute, simon would be minute, sir simon male would be joining i'll be grilling joining me. and i'll be grilling michael the government's michael gove on the government's failure to meet its own housing targets . stay

news radio. welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news. >> delighted to have your company this morning. now i'm joined in the studio by sir simon mayo, former deputy simon mayo, the former deputy chief staff. chief of the defence staff. lovely see you this morning, lovely to see you this morning, sir simon. thank you for joining me. we start biden? me. can we start with joe biden? >> yes , yes, we must. >> yes, yes, we must. >> um, i mean, this report basically says that he's not fit to stand trial, which begs the question, is he then fit to question, why is he then fit to stand as president for another tum? >> well, i think lot of >> well, i think a lot of americans asking that, and americans are asking that, and i wouldn't want to get involved in discussions another discussions about another nation's but, you nation's election. but, you know, of the know, the president of the united states, commander in chief of the most powerful force on earth , the backbone of nato ,

on earth, the backbone of nato, it matters hugely to friends of america who's leading their i mean, are you convinced he's got all of his mental faculties? >> i mean, obviously we've seen the gaffes. we've seen him physically trip up. um, he's getting very confused. last week. he gives this press conference to justify that he's in the right mind. and then confuses mexico and egypt, i think. >> well, it's not encouraging. i mean, you know, the reality is the depth of the institutional strength of america is huge. you know, cia, fbi, the military , know, cia, fbi, the military, etc. so there are vast there's a vast bureaucracy that support it. but in the current crisis, i say global crisis with china, with iran, with the red sea, with iran, with the red sea, with what's going on. obviously in gaza, with russia , ukraine, in gaza, with russia, ukraine, energy, etc. you do look occasionally to leaders to give you that sense of stability that i'm in charge. i know what it's going. what's going on? i'm a senior senior person and i'm in control . and so it is worrying. control. and so it is worrying. and i think if you look at tucker carlson's interview with putin, i hardly say putin came

over us. >> what did you make of that then? mean, he's basically then? i mean, he's basically blaming the poles for the invasion by hitler. um, he he's giving the narrative, he's rewriting russian history over the course of an hour. and a half, it looked like tucker carlson was about to nod off at one point. i mean, is this man unhinged? how dangerous is he? >> again, one >> well, he also, again, one does the quality of does worry about the quality of leadership russia. there's leadership in russia. there's a man himself huge man who's put himself under huge pressure by the aggression against ukraine. um, clearly he's not a well man. i don't think , you know, tucker carlson think, you know, tucker carlson did any of us any favours. he allowed putin to spout off this sort of mythology that is still very powerful in, in, in russia about, you know, grievance and entitlement and, and of course, what putin got out of it was carlson saying, you know, being used as a stooge to say to the west, you know, give up on ukraine. yes russia is not going to give up. why are you wasting your time? and so you combine the two and you get a little unsettled, but then we've talked aboutthe

unsettled, but then we've talked about the prospect of trump >> is the prospect of a trump presidency worrying because presidency also worrying because of approach to putin? i of his approach to putin? i mean, he's very closely aligned with tucker carlson. they're of the sort vein . the next the same sort of vein. the next thing we could the thing we know, we could see the leader the free world saying leader of the free world saying to of to putin, well, have half of ukraine. he's he's quoted at >> well, he's he's quoted at a rally, i remember where it rally, i can't remember where it was telling the story about was of telling the story about saying to a european leader who said, you know, how dare you almost with threaten the withdrawal of american support for for, nato? and he quite rightly said, if you don't pay up, you're delinquent, and if you're delinquent, i will only on record to say the equivalent of tell putin to take of i will tell putin to take whatever he wants, and you've got coming to you . yeah, pay got it coming to you. yeah, pay up.and got it coming to you. yeah, pay up. and course , you know, up. and of course, you know, we've all the we've heard this message all the way probably way back from obama and probably earlier europeans are earlier that the europeans are not their weight in not pulling their weight in order to, to, to justify american taxpayers . support is american taxpayers. support is very fair. but you rather hope, you know, wiser minds in america will say, actually, our security is vitally important to american security . security. >> very quick question on zelenskyy sacking this zelenskyy in the sacking of this army valery zelenskyy, or

army chief, valery zelenskyy, or as a loony , um, what does that as a loony, um, what does that tell us? i mean, is ukraine losing the war? is this looking worse for zelenskyy? do you think i think it is. >> um, and zelenskyy is very worried. you know , houthis, red worried. you know, houthis, red sea economy, weak economies in the west. uh, gaza . you know, the west. uh, gaza. you know, obviously the switching of american issues to, uh, gaza and israel, the whole flagging up in congress about support for ukraine, this is not a good time for him to be saying, i don't trust my senior military people . trust my senior military people. it's a bad look. and then going back to you, i just ask you back to you, i must just ask you finally about this recruitment crisis the army. crisis in the army. >> got a story on the >> we've got a story on the front today, front of the telegraph today, effectively they effectively saying that they want for want to relax security for overseas recruits because they're numbers . i mean, they're down on numbers. i mean, is the result of the is this the result of the british army making a mistake in outsourcing recruitment to firms rather than doing it in—house ? rather than doing it in—house? >> yes. a capita have had a decade to get their house in order and they failed . it is order and they failed. it is taking far too long to get those

who want to come. it is part of, i would say, argue a bigger issue to do with trying to get people sign up for god, king people to sign up for god, king and country the same time. and country at the same time. well, a whole plethora and country at the same time. w(approaches| whole plethora and country at the same time. w(approaches trying; plethora and country at the same time. w(approaches trying to lethora and country at the same time. w(approaches trying to trying of approaches trying to trying to history to demonise britain's history role all the things wokery role and all the things wokery might be playing a part here because i think there's a huge part we need. we asking part we need. we are asking young, young fundamentally young, young men, fundamentally young, young men, fundamentally young from largely the young men from largely the british class , to sign british working class, to sign up to for god , king and country up to for god, king and country to lay their lives on the line. and at the same time they're being the country being told that the country they're be they're supposed to be supporting is, you know, colonial, imperial, all full, of which , again, contrast with what which, again, contrast with what how putin is using mythology to give the russians a sense of pride, which they don't deserve in this case, whereas we have every right to be hugely proud of our history and the and the young men and women who support our armed forces in defending it. >> point. very interesting point. thank you much point. thank you very much indeed joining indeed for joining me this morning, good morning, sir simon, thanks. good to up next, i'm to see you. coming up next, i'm going be joined the going to be joined by the housing secretary, michael gove.

i'll be asking him why the government hasn't built enough home plans to do home and what he plans to do about .

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. we're just waiting for michael gove to be miked up. as say in the trade, i'm as we say in the trade, i'm going simon mayall back going to bring simon mayall back into really, into the conversation. really, really you really briefly. simon, are you confident that the government is doing comes to doing enough when it comes to defence spending? you know, we're should be 3% we're at 2.25. it should be 3% of gdp. shouldn't it? >> everything that's going , >> everything that's going, everything that's going on in the tells you that a the world tells you that a responsible government, a responsible nation, should be spending on defence, spending more on defence, and britain be britain should certainly be spending . and that includes spending more. and that includes on the existing army. we've got an increase in the size of the three services. >> we'll be keeping an eye on the hoping the march budget. i'm hoping that secretary that levelling up secretary michael mp for michael gove, the tory mp for surrey can hear surrey heath, can hear me. mr gove, lovely you. this morning. >> hi camilla, good morning. >> hi camilla, good morning.

>> hello. good morning . how much >> hello. good morning. how much of do you think of a role do you think immigration has played in the lack of available to lack of housing available to younger people ? well, i know younger people? well, i know that this a big bugbear of that this is a big bugbear of yours. about yours. you're talking about the fact not young fact that not enough young adults get on the adults can get on the homeownership ladder. there's an interesting graph, actually, in the talking about how home the ft talking about how home ownership , particularly among ownership, particularly among young adults, has completely tanked since 2005. but surely the government must admit that these high levels of immigration have had an enormous impact. >> yes , that's right, and >> yes, that's right, and earlier this week i was talking to a house of lords committee about it, and i made the point that, um, uh, we, we are currently seeking to deliver 300,000 homes a year. we've delivered 2.5 million since 2010, but obviously with new people arriving , that puts people arriving, that puts pressure on housing stock . so pressure on housing stock. so that's why it's so important that's why it's so important that we get a handle on both legal and illegal migration as well. yeah, absolutely. but then you say it's important to get a handle on it. >> i mean, obviously this

migration figure has gone up exponentially on the tories watch equally you haven't built enough homes. so it's your fault really . really. >> well, i don't run away from responsibility . yeah. so if you responsibility. yeah. so if you if you want to look at migration figures, um, i think that, uh , a figures, um, i think that, uh, a significant increase has come about as a result of folk coming from ukraine and hong kong who are fleeing persecution, whom we want to welcome . but it is also want to welcome. but it is also the case that we've had , whether the case that we've had, whether it's through the student route or other routes, people exploiting the system in a way that requires tightening of the rules and those rules have now been tightened. um, and, uh, and as a way of dealing with, uh, the migration issue, there's a contrast between the government who have a plan , labour, who who have a plan, labour, who have got no plan and would have an open border policy. and on a housing itself, we've we've secured helped deliver 2.5 secured we've helped deliver 2.5 million new homes since 2010. i know, but you've still missed the 300,000 target that , haven't

you? >>i you? >> i mean, you keep on missing this 300,000 target, but i'd look at the figures and i think many people listening and watching to this will look at the figures and actually say 300,000, keep on 300,000, which you keep on missing high enough. missing isn't high enough. should probably be half a million homes a year. shouldn't it? >> there's a debate it? there's a debate about >> well, there's a debate about whether or not 300,000 is enough. all i would say is, is two things. briefly the first is that since in the last three decades, the four years years where we've delivered the most homes have been since 2019. so the longer the conservatives have been in, the more homes that we've delivered. in essence, the second thing is, is that good enough ? no, it's not that good enough? no, it's not yet good enough. but uh, i think any judgement has to be a judgement in the round. and i think the, the judgement i would make is, um, uh , measured make is, um, uh, measured success. so far, but a need for even greater ambition. and we have that ambition because we have that ambition because we have a plan. labour do okay. >> should, should should you go back to the pledge that david

cameron made when you were a minister under his administration of migration, being of thousands being in the tens of thousands as i think we should definitely >> i think we should definitely bnng >> i think we should definitely bring it down. but, um, i, i wouldn't well, again , when, uh, wouldn't well, again, when, uh, the prime minister, the home secretary have already made it clear that we want to reduce, um, uh, legal and illegal migration, but i wouldn't put a figure on it. now because i think it's important that it's the prime minister and the home secretary. that decree that. >> but this housing crisis , i >> but this housing crisis, i mean, forgive me if you feel this is too personal, but this is affecting you, surely, because i read the telegraph because i read in the telegraph in the week you're staying at david the foreign david cameron, the foreign secretary's favour secretary's grace and favour home london, are you home in london, so are you struggling get on the housing struggling to get on the housing ladderin struggling to get on the housing ladder in london? there are security reasons behind that, that i won't go into now. >> all right. >> all right. >> okay. but you can appreciate the problem. >> okay. but you can appreciate the oh, 3lem. >> okay. but you can appreciate the oh, yeah. gosh and i've got, >> oh, yeah. gosh and i've got, uh, two children who are, uh , uh, two children who are, uh, uh, two children who are, uh, uh, 20 and, uh, nine mean, um, they're both students , but, um, they're both students, but, um, i see every day the, uh, the

challenges that they face as a result of rental costs in manchester and in cardiff. so absolutely. but but even if i wasn't directly, personally affected anyone in my job, looking at the situation that we face would want to help . and face would want to help. and again, one of the things that i would say is that there's, uh, been a determined effort on our part to look at every way in which we can increase new homes. last year, we introduced legislation to try to unlock housing where it's been blocked by environmental um, by environmental red tape. um, it have unlocked 100,000 it would have unlocked 100,000 new but labour voted new homes, but labour voted against it . against it. >> so you have had tories in your own party being very nimby. you know, you had theresa villiers others saying that villiers and others saying that they you to scrap the they wanted you to scrap the 300,000 target. so the tories aren't, you know, haven't really got their dry when it got their powder dry when it comes to arguments about whether you more housing. you should build more housing. you've clarke one you've got simon clarke on one side villiers on another. >> i think with respect to, uh, the 300,000 target, i don't think there's anyone who's in the conservative party who's argued that that's wrong. there

are there will always be individual mps with constituency interests that will want to make sure that new housing is delivered and delivered sensitively, and whether the labour or conservative of that is totally legitimate. a legitimate. but there's a difference party difference between a party saying that its policy is pro builder, not blocker, and then when we bring things forward, every single conservative mp, every single conservative mp, every single conservative mp, every single conservative who backed our proposals for new homes and labour were whipped to a man and woman against it. so this is not about individuals, this is not about individuals, this is not about individuals, this is about a party that makes big claims. and yet, as we see time after time, it turns turtle. and that's why keir starmer is about an individual british politics. he's transparent , spineless, swept transparent, spineless, swept along by the tide. >> all right. we've heard the jellyfish line before. let's talk about an individual. an individual, you know, very , very individual, you know, very, very well boris johnson. there's calls in this morning's papers to bring back boris. what do you say to that, michael gove i think every conservative should

be as part of the big conservative family doing all we can in order to make sure that rishi is , uh, re—elected as rishi is, uh, re—elected as prime minister. >> okay. i think i think boris has got enormous gifts, and i would hope that boris would play a role along with every conservative, um, in in the electoral fight ahead . but, electoral fight ahead. but, boris, it's, you know, it's up to him. he's already done great service to this country. and, um, you know, that has to be respected as well. >> well, he said he wants the prime minister to give him a call , so rishi prime minister to give him a call, so rishi sunak prime minister to give him a call , so rishi sunak should prime minister to give him a call, so rishi sunak should pick up the phone this week, shouldn't um, maybe up the phone this week, shou should um, maybe up the phone this week, shou should even um, maybe up the phone this week, shou should even goim, maybe up the phone this week, shou should even goim, a aybe up the phone this week, shou should even goim, a drink together. >> i don't know, but whatever they say. >> have you been for drink >> have you been for a drink with boris lately, with boris johnson lately, mr gove? in last few weeks, no. >> um. but in the last two years. >> yes . have years. >> yes. have you? but are you back on good terms with mr johnson ? johnson? >> well, again. well done. my friend. kemi badenoch was on this programme , i think, the this programme, i think, the other day she made the point that people are not interested in tattle about politics. in tittle tattle about politics.

the opera is sometimes of the soap opera is sometimes of interest to some, but the main thing that people are interested in are our politicians doing their job effectively. are they delivering ? and i think the delivering? and i think the prime minister is delivering in helping to reduce taxes, helping to lower inflation. okay >> we don't need a party political broadcast . mr gove, political broadcast. mr gove, thank you mentioned kemi thank you. you mentioned kemi badenoch there and by the way, i'm honoured that you watched this show and that you tune in and saw her great and you saw her great performance in the to next performance in the seat to next me. i am intrigued, though, gb news that you're very kind. news you that you're very kind. thank gove did thank you. michael gove did something that was very, very annoying. she told the times this week. what did you do that was very, annoying. well was very, very annoying. well again, there are a number of, uh, things that, uh , occur in uh, things that, uh, occur in politics where as an individual, uh, as you put forward your policy proposals, you don't always necessarily put them forward in a way that carries everyone with you. >> but the important thing which proposal did she not like from you? the important thing is that

away from the soap opera, kemi is doing an amazing job. she has secured membership of the world's biggest free trade. >> are you telling us what's happened? what's what? answer the question, mr gove. why did she . why did you annoy her? come she. why did you annoy her? come on, fess up. what happened ? on, fess up. what happened? >> um. uh camilla, i know all sorts of people all of the time. if i ran through all of the ways in which i'm annoying, then i'd be on here until the end of nigel farage show on thursday. so of irritating so my list of irritating qualities is there for all to see. but the one thing that i am keen on is making sure that all of us as conservatives, recognise that when you've got a really talented minister like kemi who is delivering for people in port talbot by supporting the steel sector, delivering for people in sunderland by backing nissan's expansion , securing, uh , our expansion, securing, uh, our membership of a new trade bloc and also making sure that on key issues like protect women's spaces and protecting children, that the equalities legislation

is fit for purpose . she is doing is fit for purpose. she is doing a bang up job and she is on the very cabinet who, you know , like very cabinet who, you know, like laura claire coutinho, richard holden and mr gove are brilliant . um, uh, next generation leaders . leaders. >> but very, very quickly , i was >> but very, very quickly, i was going to ask you for your view on park run because i know you're a runner. should they have scrapped all the records? yes no? you've seen the yes or no? you've seen the story, doubt. they scrapped story, no doubt. they scrapped the because want the records because they want transgender be transgender people to be included records. and included in the records. and women have that's an women have said that's an outrage. remember the park run? people that those people that run those events through uk through parks across the uk should they have scrapped women's records? yes or no ? do women's records? yes or no? do you think, mr goh, i don't know the story, but the one thing so. >> but the one thing that i would it is absolutely, would say is it is absolutely, vitally important that women's sport . as, um, uh, an sport remain. as, um, uh, an arena where women and girls can compete and can feel safe and whether that's in the, the changing room or on the sports

field, um, and, and i talked to a couple of sporting bodies about the importance of that . about the importance of that. >> mr gove, it's been a delight to speak to you this morning. thank you very much for your time . and thank tuning time. and thank you for tuning in and no doubt in to gb news and no doubt you'll the people's you'll be watching the people's forum minister tomorrow. >> yeah, i will, and good luck with the show. camilla. it's been a success since you been a big success since you took thank you much. took over. thank you very much. >> thank you. um, >> take care. thank you. um, well, have you well, there you have it. you know ministers do watch this know, ministers do watch this show and enjoy it. we're going to from what the to be hearing from what the people's have to say in people's panel have to say in just a moment. don't anywhere just a moment. don't go anywhere i >> -- >> hi. rishi. here. as prime minister, i'm focussed on delivering on your priorities. so i'll be on the road to join gb news for a special people's forum on monday the 12th of february, where i'll be taking questions from a live audience about the issues that really matter to you the economy, immigration and the nhs. see you there .

news radio show. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news don't forget, very shortly i'm going to be joined by the former press secretary elizabeth ii, secretary to queen elizabeth ii, ailsa what does the ailsa anderson. what does the king's diagnosis mean for king's cancer diagnosis mean for the down monarchy? but the slimmed down monarchy? but particularly william and particularly for william and kate first, let's cross kate? but first, let's cross back to sophie, who's with our people's panel in manchester. sophie, what did the people's panellists make of my interviews ? >> well, 7 >> well, first we're back in manchester. we're going to quickly speak to a member of management here now, a real issue in manchester at the moment is hospitality. the increase in rent, bills, all that kind of thing and hospitality is really struggling. however fresh it may not be. that kind of case. connoh not be. that kind of case. connor, good morning to you. tell me what the situation is like here in paris. tell me what the situation is like here in paris . yeah. like here in paris. yeah. >> um, to be honest, at first we're doing quite well, especially couple especially over the last couple of business of months. we've our business has exponentially, has grown quite exponentially,

to . um, and to be honest with you. um, and we've a group of we've just got a good group of young people working here from mid of mid to late 20s. it's kind of making in world, making their way in the world, kind to bring a bit of kind of hoping to bring a bit of business to manchester, and it's going well for us at the moment. >> w- >> fabulous. thank you very much, there go. much, connor. so there you go. a little of silver lining. little bit of a silver lining. we rejoin our people's we will now rejoin our people's panel that we can gauge their panel so that we can gauge their views on your interviewees this morning. to you morning. good morning to you once lovely people's once again my lovely people's panel. i'm going to come to yourself you yourself first. i know that you had this morning for had a question this morning for labours pat mcfadden. what did you of his interview? you make of his interview? >> pat mcfadden confirmed >> so pat mcfadden confirmed that ditching their that they are ditching their commitment to the £28 billion investment in carbon free infrastructure. but he also confirmed that they're keeping their commitments to make our electricity supply carbon free by 2030. to me, those things aren't compatible with each other and if you if you don't invest, you can't you can't make that commitment. but they do have a commitment to nuclear, which i welcome. but you can't turn nuclear on and off when the sun doesn't shine and the wind doesn't it feels to me doesn't blow. so it feels to me that they're taking away things

that they're taking away things that might make things better. but keeping things that are going make worse for going to make things worse for ordinary not ordinary people if they're not investing it's investing in power. it's ordinary bill payers who are going to have pay the bill. going to have to pay the bill. >> now we have some reaction from interview with from that interview with labour. now to some now we're going to get some reaction kwasi kwartengs reaction to kwasi kwartengs interview you were interview. cyan, i know you were very interested in what had very interested in what he had to uh, what did you make of to say. uh, what did you make of his interview with camilla this morning? >> i think, um, mr kwarteng has said stepping down and as said he's stepping down and as he skips off to the horizon with his fat mps pension , are his big fat mps pension, are perfectly able to pay his mortgage, leaves in his wake. mortgage, he leaves in his wake. tens thousands of tens of thousands of self—employed who self—employed people who are struggling to pay their mortgages huge mortgages because of the huge increase . liz, we're back up at increase. liz, we're back up at 5. lot of 5. there's a lot of self—employed in this self—employed people in this country get the country who couldn't get the mortgage they've mortgage that they've got if they fulfil the they tried to fulfil the criteria now exists , and criteria that now exists, and it's wrong. it's it's just plain wrong. it's shocking he's leaving families it's just plain wrong. it's shocare] he's leaving families it's just plain wrong. it's shoc are struggling ving families it's just plain wrong. it's shoc are struggling whilstmilies it's just plain wrong. it's shocare struggling whilst he ies it's just plain wrong. it's shocare struggling whilst he he who are struggling whilst he he flits off. >> there we go. not impressed with mr kwarteng and matt . just with mr kwarteng and matt. just a quick thought from yourself on mr gove interview. what did you make that? make of that?

>> well, i'm not 100% >> um, well, i'm not 100% convinced of what mr gove had to say housing crisis . say about the housing crisis. um, ons predicted that um, the ons has predicted that we're get 6.6 million we're going to get 6.6 million more people within the next 12 years. um, i think the tories need to do a lot more to convince people like me who have decided to vote for reform. they need and what need to convince me and what they're to do, um, in the they're going to do, um, in the future vote . future to get my vote. >> very, very interesting. there reaction from our lovely people's panel here in manchester morning . manchester this morning. >> thank you so much for that, sophie. great job in manchester. now joining me now is the leader of reform and gb news host richard tice. he's standing for in michael portillo. richard what's coming up on your show today. >> good morning camilla. yes we've an action packed show we've got an action packed show i'm looking i'm going to be looking into errors in the child errors and mistakes in the child maintenance service. we've got stanley johnson introducing his new book in the studio that will not want to be missed. that is absolutely for sure. and also we are going to be having the huge row about blue cards, yellow cards and football. camilla. and

finally , yes, it was national finally, yes, it was national pizza day, a couple of days ago. we're going to be making pizzas here studio. here in the studio. >> lucky things are going to >> you lucky things are going to be making me very, very hungry. we don't have in here. we don't have pizza in here. have richard that have a good show, richard that says for richard says stay tuned for richard tice. he's on 11 now. in a tice. he's on 11 now. in just a minute, i'm to be speaking minute, i'm going to be speaking to secretary to to former press secretary to queen elizabeth elsa queen elizabeth ii, elsa andersen, matters. andersen, on all royal matters. but the weather. but first, here's the weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. good morning to you. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office . it is a relatively bleak office. it is a relatively bleak start to sunday for many of us, all courtesy of low pressure bringing reasonably unsettled conditions. occluded conditions. these occluded fronts that are swirling around this, bringing of showers this, bringing areas of showers and bands of rain, and longer bands of rain, particularly across eastern areas first thing particularly across eastern area morning, first thing particularly across eastern areamorning, spreading thing particularly across eastern areamorning, spreading its1g particularly across eastern areamorning, spreading its way this morning, spreading its way into north eastern into parts of north eastern scotland, a very wet day here. some of the mr murch, that some of the fog, mr murch, that we will eventually

we have around will eventually clear off into the clear its way off into the afternoon, to afternoon, and we'll start to see some brighter spells developing. but still with a scattering pushing scattering of showers pushing their way from west. so their way in from the west. so can't out the brolly will can't rule out the brolly will be on. temperatures be needed later on. temperatures generally 7 11 c, generally around 7 to 11 c, which pretty much where we'd which is pretty much where we'd expect to for time expect them to be for this time of the year. as that band of rain continues its way rain continues to push its way northwards northern northwards across the northern isles, we up the stream to isles, we open up the stream to that so that westerly flow of air, so showers continuing to push their way in, particularly for areas of ireland of scotland, northern ireland could snow could turn wintry with some snow over higher ground areas. over the higher ground areas. but a amount but there's also a decent amount of developing of clear spells developing overnight with that means overnight and with that it means it at night to it will be a chilly at night to come low figures for many come low single figures for many of with clear of us, but with those clear spells be a decent spells they'll also be a decent amount sunshine to off amount of sunshine to kick off monday morning as well, particularly you are further particularly if you are further towards east. generally towards the east. generally staying some staying drier with some fair weather into the weather cloud into the afternoon. showers afternoon. the showers will always be most frequent and heaviest further towards the north west, again wintry north and west, again wintry over the hills daytime . over the hills into the daytime. slightly fresher feeling day temperatures around 6 to 10 c. do enjoy the sunnier spells when you get them, because things will remain fairly changeable with further rain cards

with further rain on the cards throughout the rest of the week. bye looks like things are bye bye looks like things are heating up . heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsor of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. i forgot to say earlier. by the way, if you want to sign up for the people's panel to sign up for the people's panel, it's people's panel at gb news um, earlier news .uk. please do. um, earlier on referenced rochdale labour on we referenced rochdale labour by—election candidate azhar ali. and are the other listed and here are the other listed candidates for the upcoming election we've election. azhar ali. as we've stated, mark coleman, independent. uh, simon danchuk who's for reform uk ian donaldson, who's the lib dem candidate? paul ellison, who's the conservative? george galloway, remember him. workers party britain michael party of britain michael howarth, an independent. howarth, who's an independent. william howarth, who's an independent who's independent guy otten, who's a green party candidate. ralph rodent subbotina, who's an official monster loony official monster raving loony candidate . there's always one. candidate. there's always one. and david tully , who's also an and david tully, who's also an independent now , we've rattled independent now, we've rattled through list. let's welcome through that list. let's welcome into studio former press into the studio former press secretary to queen elizabeth the

second, anderson , lovely second, ailsa anderson, lovely to see you this morning. lovely to see you this morning. lovely to it's a pretty to see you. it's been a pretty momentous hasn't it, in in momentous week, hasn't it, in in royal king's royal oldham, uh, the king's cancer diagnosis. royal oldham, uh, the king's cancer diagnosis . yes. lots of cancer diagnosis. yes. lots of questions in the morning. papers today, sunday headline was today, sunday times headline was sort of the fragile crown. do you think the monarchy is looking more fragile in light of what we've heard? i think there are always sort of, you know, potholes in the road with the institution. >> i don't think it's any less fragile than it. you know, it has been before. so no, i wouldn't really , uh, agree with wouldn't really, uh, agree with that assessment. i think , you that assessment. i think, you know, it's a bump in the road, an awful bump, obviously, but a bump nonetheless . bump nonetheless. >> we've had a lot of talk, >> and we've had a lot of talk, haven't whether the haven't we, about whether the prince prince william prince of wales, prince william should plate. he should step up to the plate. he seems be in a bit a seems to be in a bit of a dilemma because on one hand, he's looking after his wife, kate. undergone own kate. she's undergone her own abdominal palace hasn't abdominal surgery. palace hasn't given about what given many details about what exactly has happened there, but she's recuperating. we're not expecting business expecting her back in business until easter . expecting her back in business until easter. you've got until after easter. you've got obviously the king now is out of

his public facing role. prince william supporting the princess of wales. this whole slimmed down monarchy. i mean , it does down monarchy. i mean, it does look a little bit like there are too few royals to go around. well, i think other members of the royal family are stepping up. >> we've got princess royal out and as ever, the hardest and about as ever, the hardest working of royal working member of the royal family, the royal trooper. absolutely. duke absolutely. we've got the duke and of edinburgh and and duchess of edinburgh out and about. also elderly royals about. also the elderly royals are their own are still fulfilling their own engagements. so yes, it is a slimmed down monarchy, but i think people will undertake their engagements, they their own engagements, but they will , you know, fulfil will also, you know, fulfil the role others are not role while others are not present the moment. also do present at the moment. also do you we're perhaps not you think we're perhaps not giving week? giving enough credit this week? >> of talk >> there's been lots of talk about the king and indeed william. but how about the queen in all this? queen camilla? i mean, she's 76 years old. i know , and it's well, she'll be there, she'll be public facing. i mean, people forget that she is a grandmother herself. >> she is. also she hasn't >> she is. and also she hasn't been brought up this role been brought up to do this role with the king, with prince william, i mean, they know their

destiny well, she's relatively a newcomer to the royal family and i think she's doing an absolutely tremendous job. as you said, she is a grandmother, but she has she's got a support. her husband, she's a wife as well. and i'm sure everyone has been touched with someone who's who's, you know, had cancer. and it's you know, it's it's actually you know, it's hard for the spouse or the family as well to, to undertake that role to actually, you know, have to deal family firm, have to deal with a family firm, though, it ? though, isn't it? >> it's like, you know, there's the aspect there's the family aspect of it. there's a let's just a firm aspect of it. let's just talk prince harry being talk about prince harry being back in the country for another whistle some whistle stop tour. i mean, some people 30 minute people looked at that 30 minute meeting clarence house. meeting at clarence house. they're they meet for 30 they're they're they meet for 30 minutes. next thing he minutes. the next thing he knows, the queen knows, the king and the queen fly sandringham . that's it. >> but all i would say is, if the king did have treatment that morning, he's probably not feeling could be feeling his best. he could be nauseous. he could be absolutely tired. maybe you don't want to sit around you know, with whoever it is because you're feeling absolutely ghastly.

>> there any scope all for >> is there any scope at all for a and duchess of sussex? a duke and duchess of sussex? return to the monarchy, do you think, elsa? i mean, i know that sounds absolutely inconceivable, but discussed. you but it is being discussed. you know , the idea actually the know, the idea that actually the monarchy looking slimmer monarchy is looking slimmer without harry and meghan. would you to them back ? you like to see them back? >> um , put me on the spot, why >> um, put me on the spot, why don't you? yeah. sorry. i think, um, i think there is about the response to this. i think, um, i'm a firm believer in reconciliation in families that might have sailed. who knows who knows if i you know, if i had a crystal ball, i would make a lot of money. no no, but i mean, i suppose kind of like this idea of there not being reconciliation. >> you would have thought, wouldn't you, that a king's cancer diagnosis, the cancer diagnosis of the only parent you have left, not least after the tragedy that was their mother's death, would be enough to bring those royal brothers together again. >> i don't have a crystal ball, but what i would say is he did. as soon as he heard about the cancer diagnosis, as he got on

an aeroplane and he came over to see his father. yes um, and i the right thing do. the right thing to do. >> totally. >> totally. >> i do think it is. yeah, absolutely. absolutely >> talk bringing >> what about talk of bringing back actually, back or bringing in, actually, because been because i've never really been working prince yes. working royals. prince yes. beatrice and eugenie. i know you work with them. when you were in the they're nice. >> they're lovely, absolutely lovely. uh, very, lovely. charming. um uh, very, very loyal to their parents and the institution. i haven't heard those rumours about bringing them back. >> this them back. >> well, just this idea that because a counsellor because beatrice is a counsellor of the palace have of state and the palace have said don't need to appoint said they don't need to appoint counsellors because at the moment king is going to moment the king is going to carry his red boxes and carry on with his red boxes and behind is going to be behind the scenes is going to be doing all constitutional doing all of the constitutional work. and he doesn't, the work. and if he doesn't, the princes wales is there princes of wales is there to kind the gap. but kind of bridge the gap. but because counsellors because the counsellors of state are from most senior are taken from the most senior royals in line of royals in the line of succession, beatrice is still one royals . and one of those royals. and therefore, i suppose it begs the question earlier question you talked earlier about royals , kind of about older royals, kind of like, you know, keeping the end up, to absolutely. and up, so to speak. absolutely. and naturally, younger and naturally, they're younger and they're women . and they may they're nice women. and they may be quite relatable to

be perhaps quite relatable to the public. we appreciate the problems associated with the duke of york , why bring duke of york, but why not bring them fray and have them them into the fray and have them maybe out some maybe carrying out some charitable engagements or. well, i they already do carry out. >> yeah, charitable engagements on own. uh, both on their own. i know, uh, both of them have their own of them have got their own charities organisations charities and organisations which support they're which they support and they're patrons they're already patrons of. so they're already doing that. don't think they doing that. i don't think they need be working members need to be working members of the family that the royal family with that title to on doing what they're to carry on doing what they're doing the moment, although doing at the moment, although is there a bit a shift between there a bit of a shift between what and kate their what william and kate and their approach to royal is and approach to royal life is and what to be? what it used to be? >> have you've mentioned the >> we have you've mentioned the royal trouper herself , the royal trouper herself, the princess royal, princess anne, she carried out 550 odd engagements year. that's engagements last year. that's i think, more than her brother, the king, because to the king, because she likes to cram engagements a day. cram engagements into a day. she'll work from dawn till dusk. if comes back in the if she comes back in the evening, she'll do a couple more engagements for dinner. >> she's a horse. she >> she's a pale horse. she really horse. really is a power horse. >> it's about, you know, >> so it's all about, you know, being visibility, of, being their visibility, kind of, you so—called plant, you know, the so—called plant, uh, tree plantings and plaque

unveilings . comparatively, unveilings. comparatively, william and kate want to do this more thematic royalty, so they want to be doing sort of initiatives about mental health initiatives about mental health initiatives , about early years initiatives, about early years initiatives, about early years initiatives about the environment or homelessness. but they're not doing as many day to day jobs. and i wonder whether that's a problem in terms of visibility . visibility. >> is it a problem, though? i would say there is room for every , every way how you want to every, every way how you want to do a royal engagement. there is. there is room for doing that. three, four, five, six engagements in a day and there's room for the theme. so why not have both? i think it actually it's complements each other rather than pulls it apart . rather than pulls it apart. >> i mean, there had been a criticism in the that criticism in the past that william weren't william and kate just weren't doing enough. i mean, comparatively, at comparatively, when you look at the league maybe the league tables and maybe these tables were bad these league tables were a bad thing, don't the thing, i don't know what the royals them, you know, royals think of them, you know, clocking it up. >> you say they're not >> but when you say they're not doing enough, know what doing enough, we don't know what they're scenes. they're doing behind the scenes. there meetings, are there are meetings, there are papers, there's planning . papers, work. there's planning. and they've three and also they've got three small children. say to the

children. so i would say to the critics, i would say , you critics, i would just say, you know, a break. know, give them a break. >> good >> yeah, that's a really good point. what i think has been interesting last week is interesting in the last week is the kind of modernity of it all. i mean, who have thought i mean, who would have thought that enlarged prostate that the words enlarged prostate would a buckingham would appear on a buckingham palace would palace bulletin then? who would have word cancer have thought the word cancer would appear we then get would appear on one? we then get this briefing that actually. well, william will help well, prince william will help his father, but his immediate concern is his wife . that's concern is his wife. that's a step change from years gone by, isn't it? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> do you think it's a good >> and do you think it's a good thing do? thing i do? >> i i it absolutely >> i do, i think it absolutely shows that he is a modern monarch in waiting, where family and duty go , you know, hand in and duty go, you know, hand in hand. really. i mean, you had quite a few interactions. >> of course , with the late >> of course, with the late queen, but of the king now, but also with prince william. what kind of approach do you think he takes to royal because we takes to royal life? because we know a more serious figure know it's a more serious figure than younger brother. than his younger brother. >> well, he's because he's, you know, the next in line to know, he's the next in line to the throne. he's to be. the throne. he's got to be. >> how aware do think he >> but how aware do you think he is of royal is of the sort of royal branding? we always is of the sort of royal

brandin(when we always is of the sort of royal brandin(when the we always is of the sort of royal brandin(when the queen ways is of the sort of royal brandin(when the queen was thought when the queen was alive, was a bit of alive, he was a bit of a difficult position because he and kate have the and kate sort of have the sprinkling stardust, a little sprinkling of stardust, a little bit the effect, bit like the diana effect, diana's this glamorous diana's son and this glamorous wife he doesn't wife that he has. he doesn't want to overshadow the king. he didn't want to overshadow the queen . how did he sort of queen either. how did he sort of play queen either. how did he sort of play when you were working in the palace? how did he operate? what of him what was your impression of him as a young man? well, i just going back to original going back to your original point about the stardust. >> course , when the queen >> of course, when the queen became queen, she was 26 years old, so she had that stardust. she that glamorous young, she was that glamorous young, you know, fragile , beautiful you know, fragile, beautiful queen. so actually, that happened to her as well. um i think prince william will. he's very much his own mind, man. very much his own man. and he will all step up, um, in the way he wants to do it and do it perhaps a bit differently from what, scobie. and there's no there's no real rule book. >> yeah, well, that's interesting, because i suppose we think we have keep we think that we have to keep on the traditions monarchy, the traditions of monarchy, and

that money that continues. money is everything. sometimes everything. and sometimes there's behind there's been an impetus behind palace gates to say, well, what did we do last time? let's do it again. but you actually think that for william to that it's better for william to break a bit ? break free a bit? >> well, sometimes you don't have to reinvent the wheel. and, you know, i remember coming into the palace in 2001 with all these, you know, ideas. and i would put a note up to the queen and you get a note down saying, well, actually, we did that 20 years thought , years ago. and i thought, oh yeah, that. and it yeah, we tried that. and it didn't quite work. and let's talk about princess of wales talk about the princess of wales finally . finally. >> obviously she's had >> i mean, obviously she's had this don't quite this operation. we don't quite know happened. know what's happened. we obviously best obviously wish her our very best because she's recuperating now at their in windsor. she's at their home in windsor. she's at their home in windsor. she's a young woman. she's only 42. she's as you say , these she's got, as you say, these three children. yeah. three young children. yeah. i feel the weight of expectation on her slender shoulders. i mean, she's under quite a lot of pressure, isn't she? yeah absolutely. >> and i think prince william will try and shield her from as much pressure much of that pressure as possible. they've possible. and i hear they've gone for tum gone to sandringham for half tum half week next week. um, to

half turn week next week. um, to recuperate it. and i think he will try and give her as much space as she needs to recuperate and do you think the palace is better now than it was back in diana's day? >> she felt she was thrown >> she felt like she was thrown in deep end. i appreciate in at the deep end. i appreciate that around for that kate's been around for a long, when it long, long time, but when it comes to support, because the comes to support, because of the pressure the pressure from the pressure, the pressure from the media, pressure the media, the pressure from the public, great that people public, it's great that people say she's never put a foot wrong, but then that would make you putting foot wrong. >> yeah, i wasn't around during the diana era, so can't really the diana era, so i can't really say much about that. all i know is that certainly when i was at the palace, the princess of wales was offered as much support and help and assistance as she wanted . um, i think as she wanted. um, i think members of the royal family wanted to offer her that help as well . well. >> want her to do well. absolutely >> and she's got, you know, she's got the love of her own family as well, supporting her. and sure there, you know, and i'm sure there, you know, there her looking there with her looking after her, doesn't, her, making sure she doesn't, you know, do too much too soon and actually has the to and actually has the time to

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