. firstly, course world affairs. firstly, i'm going to be digging in once again to the child maintenance service issues. my concerns about mistake about errors potentially the sort of scandal we might have heard about recently. also, we got stanley johnson. yes. the father of the former prime minister. he's here in the studio discussing the 700th anniversary of the death of marco polo and a new book. he is writing. also, yellow cards , is writing. also, yellow cards, blue cards, football , sin bins. blue cards, football, sin bins. we've got to hear from a former player and a referee as to what's the latest thoughts on that? royal updates , of course, that? royal updates, of course, king charles's latest diagnosis and did you see that extraordinary interview by tucker carlson with with president putin? what does that mean for the west? and then finally, yes, it's we're going to be celebrating national pizza day by making a pizza here in the studio. but first up, to get your morning headlines is.

>> richard, thank you very much. and good morning. your top stories from the gb newsroom, the foreign secretary says he's deeply the deeply concerned about the prospect planned israeli prospect of a planned israeli ground the southern ground invasion of the southern gaza city of rafah. lord cameron said on his twitter account the priority must be an immediate pause in the fighting and progress towards a permanent ceasefire. yesterday at least 44 palestinians, including more than a dozen children, were killed by israeli airstrikes in rafah. israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu signalled there would be an imminent invasion, saying he'd asked his military to prepare to evacuate hundreds of thousands of civilians . hundreds of thousands of civilians. his aim, he says, defeating hamas . in the defence defeating hamas. in the defence secretary is said to be furious as he orders a review of the ministry of defence's diversity and inclusivity policy . it comes and inclusivity policy. it comes as it's been reported in today's

telegraph that the army wants to relax security clearance vetting for overseas recruits to boost diversity and inclusion , grant diversity and inclusion, grant shapps told the sunday telegraph that he's ready to go to battle over the matter. he's warned that there will be no lowering of security clearance requirements on his watch . requirements on his watch. according to the paper, the uk's armed forces are looking overseas because they've reportedly failed to hit recruitment targets . fujitsu is recruitment targets. fujitsu is said to have received more than £54 billion through contracts from treasury linked organisations since 2019, despite its role in the post office scandal, despite its role in the post office scandal , the commons office scandal, the commons treasury committee says fujitsu was awarded around £1.4 billion worth of deals since the 2019 high court ruling, concluding there had been numerous failings in its horizon. it system . £2 in its horizon. it system. £2 billion worth of contracts were also agreed before 2019 and remained active thereafter. a group of mps wrote to organisations including hmrc,

the financial conduct authority and the bank of england to demand details of their agreements with fujitsu. the committee said all three have spent considerable sums with them . the housing secretary's them. the housing secretary's warning that young people shut out of the uk's housing market could turn to authoritarianism. michael gove says a failure by the government to tackle the housing crisis could harm democracy, as well as the conservatives chances at the next election. in an interview with the times, he says the traditional route for young people to work hard and get on the housing ladder has gone. gove criticised labour for, he says, continuously rejecting housing policies. >> the difference between a party saying that its policy is pro builder , not blocker, and pro builder, not blocker, and then when we bring things forward, every single conservative mp, every single conservative backed our proposals for new homes and labour were whipped to a man and

woman against it. so this is not about individuals, this is about about individuals, this is about a party that makes big claims. and yet , as we see a party that makes big claims. and yet, as we see time a party that makes big claims. and yet , as we see time after and yet, as we see time after time, it turns turtle. and that's why keir starmer is the jellyfish of british politics. he's transparent, spineless , he's transparent, spineless, swept along by the tide . swept along by the tide. >> kwasi kwarteng says immigration must be a key focus for the government when it comes to having success at the next general election. the former chancellor also told gb news camilla tominey that his decision to not stand for re—election as an mp was one he'd had for a while . he'd had for a while. >> thinking about it for a long time. have you had long? and there was well, ever since the beginning of the parliament. actually, i had i had actually, i had thought, i had thought was minister of thought and i was minister of state at that point. i had thought that, know, three thought that, you know, three terms, obviously had terms, three obviously we had more elections , 15 is more elections, but 15 years is probably easy in this modern climate , a reasonable amount of climate, a reasonable amount of time to be an mp. two of the principal things that conservatives should fighting principal things that

conaervatives should fighting principal things that cona loweras should fighting principal things that cona lower taxes�*uld fighting principal things that cona lower taxes and fighting principal things that cona lower taxes and secure ting for a lower taxes and secure borders , stronger immigration borders, stronger immigration and strong on taxes. and if you look at our see an immigration cap for yes, i mean, there's got to be something on it. i mean, yeah, know, of those yeah, you know, on two of those metrics, we haven't frankly performed very well. no >> the king has >> and finally, the king has shared thanks for shared his heartfelt thanks for the overwhelming public support he's received in his first message to the public since being diagnosed with cancer. his majesty said such kind thoughts are the greatest comfort and encouragement that news of the diagnosis was announced by buckingham palace on monday that he's facing a form of cancer unrelated to his recent prostate treatment. the king says sharing his own diagnosis has helped promote public understanding and shine a light on the work of many organisations supporting cancer patients and their families across the uk and the wider world. for the latest stories , sign up to gb news stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. carmelites .

news. carmelites. >> and a very good morning to all of you. well, as you can see, i'm not michael portillo. no, he's away this week, but we have an action packed, full on show. thank you to tatiana for the news just then. now today, unbelievably, it's national invent today. yes, this was actually approved by resolution in congress some 30 years ago. inventions . are very, very inventions. are very, very important. so today is national inventor day. and i want to say what would you like to invent ? what would you like to invent? i've worked out what i'd like to invent. i've worked out what i'd like to invent . and that's some form of invent. and that's some form of duster. and hoover that could suck away a wokery. it's driving me mad. we're going to be talking later in the talking about it later in the show, so let me know what you'd like to invent or any other thoughts or views. all of that,

of course. vaiews@gbnews.com or on twitter at gb news. what would you like to invent? well you'll recall back at the new yeanl you'll recall back at the new year, i had an important segment discussion with two relatives of people who tragically had taken their own lives due to errors and concerns and inaccuracies in the child maintenance service and it was a really, really difficult segment. now, look, we all know that parents must pay their responsibilities for our children, and that's important. and do it promptly. and indeed, the government has just made new announcements about that today. my announcements about that today. my concern, though, is what happens when actually they make mistakes. we don't want government departments to make mistakes, but first of all, just take a listen to this clip about evidence. whether it's there or not, from a select committee i've received , as i suspect, a

i've received, as i suspect, a number of us have quite a few , number of us have quite a few, um, angry emails i'm forwarding you case details . you case details. >> the child maintenance service has been awarded a liability order for a fictitious debt. there are many thousands of cases like this one in your report. i notice you've put a figure of 99.35% on the accuracy of the child maintenance calculations . are you satisfied calculations. are you satisfied that the large number of people saying that they're is a fictitious debt, or a mistaken that no, we're not satisfied with that. >> you know , we wouldn't >> you know, we wouldn't necessarily use the word fictitious. however, it is. it does mean that people are being pursued for debts, that there is not the evidence to substantiate that they owe . that they owe. >> wow. people being pursued for debts , that there isn't the debts, that there isn't the evidence that they owe. does that ring a bell about a recent scandal called the post office?

are we coming back to that? the consequences of this, if parents are chased so hard for amounts that they don't owe, are completely incorrect , can be completely incorrect, can be catastrophic. it can lead to prison or tragically, suicide . prison or tragically, suicide. just take a look at this second clip about debt suicides. again from the department of work and pensions to a select committee . pensions to a select committee. >> when you become aware that a client of the services has taken their life, you carry out an investigation. what comes out of that ? i mean, investigation. what comes out of that? i mean, there's a there's an investigation report, i suppose. what do you do with that? does anything get published ? talk us through the published? talk us through the nothing's published . nothing's published. >> i mean, the internal review processes is more transparent, but we've very much just look at the case notes. um, a lot of the time , um, we've had no contact time, um, we've had no contact with that parent for quite suitable time. uh, so what we are looking for is any involvement of ourselves that

could have had an impact. and if we think that's the case, then that's would refer it to that's when we would refer it to the internal review the department's internal review process. very much us process. but it's very much us looking own interaction looking at our own interaction with that parents contact history and determining, um , if history and determining, um, if we could have done something that may have been the final straw sort of thing. >> well, i don't know what you think about that , but that think about that, but that sounds very much like to me that you're marking your own homework . probably not a good idea unless you're just sort of practising for an exam . but if practising for an exam. but if we're talking about something as serious as suicides, surely that should be an external review. now, i don't know how many suicides may be taking place. tragically every year we're trying to get that information, but you shouldn't mark your own homework on something so serious. what? i'm delighted to be joined in the studio by two paying be joined in the studio by two paying parents to talk about the calculation, the appeals process to review this in more detail, i've got mark price on my right

and lee windsor on my left to talk about this. thank you for joining me, gentlemen. mark, i'm going to come to you. so talk us just through your experience briefly and the sort of the calculations and the process, if you think an error has been made, um , initially the made, um, initially the calculations were , were made on calculations were, were made on a date that predates my daughter's birth. >> um , that's the income >> um, that's the income calculation. that's the income calculation. that's the income calculation. so i then queried it . i queried calculation. so i then queried it. i queried in a number of occasions and they just seemed didn't want to listen . um, they didn't want to listen. um, they didn't want to listen. um, they did have my present employers records , but they didn't want to records, but they didn't want to use those. they used the pre—dated date because there's more money, because there's more money. >> so that essentially is the answer to the question, why would they do that? >> i honestly don't know. but the reason i was questioning it was because they're going to was because if they're going to do an accurate assessment, then they on a present. they should do it on a present. my they should do it on a present. my present earnings the my present earnings and the process and process of questioning it and appealing it.

>> if you think an inaccuracy , >> if you think an inaccuracy, how does how does that work? how did work for you? did that work for you? >> seemed mess. >> it just seemed like a mess. every i approached every time i approached them, i had through different had to go through different legislations, different protocols that they had installed . and, um, it wasn't installed. and, um, it wasn't anything that i was aware of. so unless they told me how it worked, i wouldn't know how it worked. so all i could do was just contact them. this is wrong. that's wrong. could you help me out ? no, it's too late. help me out? no, it's too late. you've got to pay this. >> and how has this ended up? because this. something happened before , didn't it? before christmas, didn't it? >> um, yes. so it this had gone on some time now. um, there on for some time now. um, there was liability orders which were put place . um, apparently it put in place. um, apparently it was heard some 200 miles away from where i live. um, so i didn't have an opportunity to sort of challenge it . didn't have an opportunity to sort of challenge it. um, i then went to on sort of they went on to put a charging order on my house. >> they put a charging order on your house based on incorrect on calculations that i believe you you believe was incorrect and you believe was incorrect and you hadn't had the opportunity

to challenge it in court with these these liability orders. >> that's correct. yeah i couldn't challenge it in court. um, i then found out that if you tried to challenge it in court, the courts weren't allowed to hear it, hear the evidence . hear it, hear the evidence. >> this is extraordinary. the fact that and we touched on this before if you know the before that if you know the calculations are wrong , even if calculations are wrong, even if you prove it in court , you can prove it in court, surely natural justice would say, well , the judge should say say, well, the judge should say we at the we need to relook at the calculations, apparently calculations, but apparently that's not allowed. >> that. no, >> no, they don't do that. no, no . 110. >> no. >> extraordinary. so >> absolutely extraordinary. so you've made an application to court and what did the judge say? >> um, so they put a charge on the they to go the house, then they tried to go for order. um, for a possession order. um, i then contest that. i went to court and, um, the judge said , court and, um, the judge said, no, he's not going to do that. he's not he's not going to, you know, force the order to go through based and this is based on calculations that you think are incorrect. >> yes. mark, for >> yes. mark, thank you for sharing that us. and sharing that with us. and i appreciate because appreciate it because this is difficult. for difficult. it's difficult for people about people to talk about these issues . lee. um, likewise , just

issues. lee. um, likewise, just sort of explain your story and i should say both these gentlemen have served in the armed forces for our country. and frankly , i for our country. and frankly, i just think we want calculations to be correct. and the opportunity , if they're wrong, opportunity, if they're wrong, then to rapidly correct them. what's your story , lee? so, yeah. >> so, yeah. > so, um , yeah. >> so, um, i was told that i had, uh, overpaid after complaining that the csa had not taken into account my service. invalid pension , which would invalid pension, which would have, um, made my assessment to be paid at a flat rate . um, and be paid at a flat rate. um, and they then said i had overpaid . they then said i had overpaid. um, and then they backdated all the assessments again , um, the assessments again, um, working on all the arrears of over £18,000, £18,000 of arrears. >> so. and you think that you'd overpaid by how much initially ? overpaid by how much initially? >> uh, 6000. >> uh, 6000. >> £6,000. >> £6,000. >> um, i then challenged that again in, um, went to a tribunal . and um, the judge said it

wasn't in his jurisdiction and to complain to the cms , but to complain to the cms, but after the original calculation, the cms , they admitted an error, the cms, they admitted an error, didn't they? did they admitted there official error and there was an official error and they administrated my case. they had administrated my case. so let's i mean, this is so let's just i mean, this is really where the cms really important where the cms admitted had over overpriced. >> essentially, yes . over >> essentially, yes. over calculated by £6,000. but then they sort of reversed that decision. >> they reversed the whole assessment back to 2008 at the start of the case. so if i'm sort of speaking for the other side, what what might have gone on at the cms in order to come back to the calculations and say we admitted the error, but now we've relooked at it again, and we've relooked at it again, and we we were right in we would think we were right in the place. the first place. >> yeah. >> e- 5 they went to the >> so they they went to the parent with care and got her to put variation, um, is put in a variation, um, which is against their policy to against their own policy to encourage . and they've done an encourage. and they've done an and the process to appeal. >> if you think that error has been made, just talk us through this process because this is the critical have how does this process because this is the criti(work? have how does this process because this is the criti(work? hayowow does this process because this is the criti(work? hayou gotdoes this process because this is the criti(work? hayou got enough that work? have you got enough time to put your case as to what

the true numbers should be, not really, i don't think. >> no. you've got to go through a mandatory reconsideration , um, a mandatory reconsideration, um, which obviously went which i did. and obviously went to court and they, they said i can't um , he can't deal with it can't um, he can't deal with it then, but because initially there's an appeal you've got a process to appeal before they go for the liability order. >> isn't there .7 >> isn't there? >> isn't there? >> um, well, this is a bit different with this case now. so obviously got a liability obviously i've got a liability order went court. um in order and i went to court. um in which i wasn't able to challenge , um, weren't to , um, you weren't able to challenge corrections. challenge the corrections. >> what they call, >> and this is what they call, i think, point think, section 33. uh point four, isn't it, from the 1991 legislation? >> yes . yeah. >> yes. yeah. >> yes. yeah. >> and the barrister , uh, he >> and the barrister, uh, he actually said that it couldn't be couldn't be challenged in court . court. >> that's right. and he was quite smug when he when he said that as well. >> and look, i mean, so we did actually ask uh, we wanted to get representation from the get some representation from the other did actually other side. so we did actually ask the barrister this case ask the barrister in this case whether he'd come on and explain this because you might think, well if is in place, there well, if this is in place, there must be a logical reason, but

it's against natural it's just against all natural justice to not be able to , uh, justice to not be able to, uh, inform a judge . clearly the inform a judge. clearly the numbers are wrong . then you need numbers are wrong. then you need to essentially press the pause button and go back and get the dwp to recalculate the cms to recalculate. that's right. >> yeah. so i've gone now on to, um, try and appeal those liability orders , um, in which liability orders, um, in which i try to go to the financial remedies court , but they don't remedies court, but they don't want to deal with it . and they want to deal with it. and they put me back to the cms. >> so it's sort of like a, um, a merry go round. yeah, exactly. yeah >> there's no clear path to appeal. mark were you clear how long you had to correct the numbers to sort of essentially appeal the numbers . appeal the numbers. >> um, it wasn't made clear apparently they'd sent leaflets and documents , which was like and documents, which was like reams of it , and documents, which was like reams of it, which explains the process. but by the time i'd got through that, it was it's just difficult to read. it's difficult to read. it's difficult to read. it's difficult to sort of try and fathom and it's not very long. >> i think it's just a matter of 30 30 days.

30 days or so. 30 days. >> which 30 days? >> yeah. which 30 days? >> yeah. which 30 days? >> which actually in order go >> which actually in order to go through the various process feels short period feels like a fairly short period of . um, having said that, of time. um, having said that, obviously me as a non—resident parent, you know, one's got to be one's got to be paying one's due debts . that's the key point. due debts. that's the key point. i think we have got a statement from the department of work and pensions because them, pensions because we asked them, obviously . they obviously for a comment. they said that child maintenance parents keep around 160,000 parents help keep around 160,000 children out of poverty. on average each year. and we continue to improve the cms through automating simple processes , kyrees and spending processes, kyrees and spending more time with vulnerable customers . cms payments. they go customers. cms payments. they go on to say there calculated so they're reasonable and affordable for the paying parent and decisions can be appealed. and court will decide if they and a court will decide if they are wrong . really. similarly, are wrong. really. similarly, there are appeal rights for paying there are appeal rights for paying parents where the cms intends to take enforce payment action. i have to say, i mean, i've read out that statement, but that doesn't feel to match the stories that i'm hearing

today and it doesn't match what i heard. and the statement back at the new year. but we'll keep be talking about this. we're talking about it in the second houn talking about it in the second hour. we're with charlie peters and also a retired solicitor who used to work with and act on cases with the cms. gentlemen, thank you so much for sharing your stories . thank you so much for sharing your stories. i thank you so much for sharing your stories . i know it's not your stories. i know it's not easy, but it's so important so that others actually can talk about it. and if you've got experience on this, please do get in touch . gb news get in touch. gb news gbviews@gbnews.com now coming up after the break, i'll be sitting down with the one and only stanley johnson to discuss his new book about the 700th anniversary of the death of marco polo . i might drop anniversary of the death of marco polo. i might drop in a bit of climate change and what's going on with the farmers in europe into the discussion. who knows? you're watching richard tice news. it's britain's tice on gb news. it's britain's news channel.

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>> welcome back to me, richard tice here on gb news this sunday. well, this week marks the 700 birth anniversary of the death of the venetian merchant and explorer marco polo. very famous, of course , best known famous, of course, best known for chronicling his discovery on his travels in those famous memoirs that gave europe one of the best written accounts of asia its culture, geography and people who better to discuss this than the one and only? very well travelled through asia and china .7 stanley johnson, former china? stanley johnson, former mep stanley very good morning. thanks for coming to the studio . thanks for coming to the studio. so 700th death, uh, commemorating of marco polo. but there have been lots of books about him. don't we know everything? what what are you doing .7 what's going on here? doing? what's going on here? >> don't know >> we certainly don't know everything. started this. you

everything. i started this. you won't started won't believe this. i started this in 1961 61, 1961, 1961. so i think that is . oh, god, i think that is. oh, god, i can't work it out. 1762, 63 years ago, i did. that's right. we started then tim severin and i and a cameraman called michael larrabeiti. we set off on two motorcycles to travel from marco polo on marco polo, we start in oxford . he did. marco polo oxford. he did. marco polo didn't start in oxford , didn't start in oxford, obviously. he started in venice. we went to venice, we went through turkey, we through through turkey, we went through persia, we went through afghanistan. wanted get afghanistan. we wanted to get into we couldn't get into into china. we couldn't get into china. in 1961, we ran out of time. we had be in time. we had to be back in oxford. so what i did this summer, when i say this summer, i mean last summer, if you see what i mean. yes it's still this summer for me. a wonderful tv company called one tribe tv , company called one tribe tv, working together with chinese tv as well. it was a brilliant collaboration. that's why marco polo is symbolic. we set out, we flew to china, we then went by

car to the very, very far west of china, up there in the himalayas. exactly. pretty much where tim severin and i left off last time round. and then we followed it on. >> and that was where marco polo entered china. pretty much. >> marco polo actually entered it through a corridor known as the corridor, runs. the wakhan corridor, which runs. there's a border there's a there's a border between afghanistan and china, the wakhan corridor. and that's pretty much where we came in, because was called because then china was called cathay, well cathay cathay, wasn't it? well cathay was of the names, one of the was one of the names, one of the names, one the names of names, one of the names of china. but of course, in those days, um , the interesting thing days, um, the interesting thing is that when marco polo travelled, it was during the time of the mongol, the mongol emperor and the mongol emperor. and if you like, mongols, get a bad, bad press. but they'd actually come created what's called the pax mongolica . it was called the pax mongolica. it was a time for travel. it was a time for linking east and west. the old silk road actually , the old silk road actually, the peace and stability which mongol rule brought was what enabled

marco polo to make this journey, and what was also remarkable was that he actually wrote about the travels polo. travels of marco polo. >> them when he was >> he dictated them when he was in back in genoa . is that right? >> exactly right. he dictated them to a fellow prisoner, i think venice a war with think venice had been a war with with genoa. marco polo having come back from china, i think he left china in about 1294 or something like that. um, came back, um, to venice , got back, um, to venice, got involved with the war with genoa, was in prison, and he dictated these memoirs, which are called now they're called now the travels of marco polo. i think he called it a description of the world or something like that, to research extraordinary. >> then became a massive >> and then he became a massive sort trader, didn't sort of merchant trader, didn't he? gemstones all he? trading in gemstones, all that kind of thing. >> probably up a few tips >> probably picked up a few tips on his chinese thing. so on his chinese thing. and so what done now is, it what i have done now is, as it were, this whole were, finish off this whole story, one. the book i story, part one. the book i read, the journey i took in 1961, part two, this summer's journey is going to be called in the travels in the footsteps of marco polo, and that part of the book. >> i'm going to be a sort of film documentary well.

film documentary as well. definitely, definitely going to be about scheduled, be a film is about scheduled, i think, for a a four part tv think, for for a a four part tv series . i've just ballpark god, series. i've just ballpark god, i mean, wow , four part tv i mean, wow, four part tv series, the reason i'm feeling pretty hoarse now is i have just done voiceover . for 55 done the voiceover. for 55 minute tv segments. >> wow. you do lose. >> wow. you do lose. >> you lose your voice. something to look forward to. well, don't lose your voice because just before we finish, i wanted to on obviously wanted to touch on obviously another of issue another big topic, sort of issue is, is , is climate change net is, is, is climate change net zero. and you know, you've got very strong, strong thoughts on that. but actually we're seeing quite a shift now. we've got farmers stanley demonstrating across many countries in europe in poland, in germany, spain , in poland, in germany, spain, spain, netherlands, wales , down spain, netherlands, wales, down in dover against the impact on their livelihoods woods and on their livelihoods woods and on their ability to produce food for our citizens. i mean, this is changing very rapidly, in my view , quite rightly, because view, quite rightly, because this is , you know, actually this is, you know, actually

these policies , forces are these policies, forces are making us as as poorer. but what are your thoughts on why are these demonstrations happening .7 these demonstrations happening? what's what have the leaders got wrong to lead to this? i don't know. >> the leaders have got anything wrong. they are trying to get policy across which to my mind do need to be put into place. i think that there, as you know, i've supported that for a very long time. i worked in the eu, worked for the un on these issues. what the policies have not yet done enough is to explain really why they have to do it . and also i think, you do it. and also i think, you know , there are times when know, there are times when they've got to make it possible for certain groups to, to go with the flow here, but it has to be an understanding there. but you can't impose a policy on anybody if it's going to make people lot poorer. people a lot poorer. >> if it's going to destroy their livelihoods , then then their livelihoods, then then don't surprised if that group don't be surprised if that group of people, in case, of people, in this case, the farmers are saying, hang on, folks, we're producing the folks, we're producing food. the cost of energy is going through the roof. we can't use the right fertilisers. you're trying to

buy land or office and close buy our land or office and close us down. i mean, this isn't just one leader in one country mis messaging . this is across the messaging. this is across the whole of the eu . whole of the eu. >> well, it's pretty heavily involved in writing and helping to implement eu environmental policy. no the argument here is this green policies, green energy policies , green energy policies, green environmental policies in the end will be economically productive. so they will generate so what's your definition of in the end because because that's really important. >> well i say in the end within 510 years um these things will come into play. >> we will find there are huge economic benefits from what's called sustainable development . called sustainable development. and groups which are being and yes, groups which are being impacted. you know , for what we impacted. you know, for what we have said, they're not responsible . some of them are responsible. some of them are responsible. some of them are responsible anyway. groups which are will, are being impacted will, as we're because the we're benefit because the state will have to help them through this. it a bit with with this. we saw it a bit with with we being told there's a we keep being told there's a benefit. >> we keep being told there are green jobs, but actually the evidence the opposite . i evidence shows the opposite. i mean, take you take port

mean, you take you take port talbot jobs recently , uh, talbot 3000 jobs recently, uh, basically ditched on the altar of net zero. there's likely the same in in scunthorpe to, to sort of build electric arc furnaces. but in asia we've just been talking about asia. they're building new steel generating capacity. for example they're building blast furnaces. so it feels to me that all the sacrifices being made here in the west, the pain is being suffered here in the west and in asia. there carrying on, being competitive, producing cheap energy us expensive goods. >> tell you that in >> well, i will tell you that in the eight weeks i spent going across china, i would say that they are making a huge effort. now to move towards renewable energy. was not a hill energy. there was not a hill without a windmill on it or a wind turbine. the dams, the solar energy . absolutely solar energy. absolutely extraordinary. and they will benefit and we will benefit. i would say that we actually have to stick this one out, dig in for the long tum, get through the election and go on. >> you want to stick it out, but basically you want the pain to continue to be suffered by different groups of people,

whether it's steelworkers in wales scunthorpe , whether wales and scunthorpe, whether it's farmers across the whole of europe, not just the eu but ourselves elsewhere , why ourselves and elsewhere, why should people suffer that pain when china and india are building hundreds of coal fired power stations to make cheap energy, cheap goods? >> that's not really true, because in china, yes, they are building coal fired so building coal fired plants. so it is not hundreds , not it is true, not hundreds, not hundreds. that's what's not true . and what is really true is that the shift to renewable, no answer your point though. i absolutely with you . if absolutely agree with you. if there which are there are groups which are impacted by the things which impacted by the for things which are fault , if you are not their fault, if you see what i then of the what i mean, then part of the role of the state is to help those. but there's no such thing as money. as state money. >> that's taxpayers cash. >> that's our taxpayers cash. it's money. i mean, what it's our money. i mean, so what you're saying is essentially we've provide extra we've all got to provide extra subsidies individual groups. >> and where's that money coming from? well, that's of course thatis from? well, that's of course that is the eu model. >> but that money comes from the taxpayer. yeah. but the taxpayer is because in our model, is there because in our model,

economic development based on sustainable development is a powerful economic force and it will generate the resources which will enable will. but it feels like a long time away. and there's a lot of pain. and the point is it's i mean , the eu point is it's i mean, the eu model, which you like is based on subsidies, isn't it, model, which you like is based on subsidies, isn't it , to get on subsidies, isn't it, to get to get to an equilibrium . to get to an equilibrium. >> um, well, that's why that's what they're doing in america at the moment too, with their inflation reduction act. you know, that have in know, that is they have said in order with the climate order to deal with the climate change thing, have get change thing, we have to get these energy going. these green energy things going. we energy we have to get the solar energy going. the electric vehicles we have that route, too. have to follow that route, too. if we get to net zero tomorrow, stanley. >> yeah. does the climate stop changing .7 changing? >> uh, we certainly won't >> uh, well, we certainly won't get to net zero whenever we get to that . to that. >> p- to that. >> does the climate then >> right. does the climate then stop climate , stop changing? well the climate, the c02 stop changing? well the climate, the co2 is still up there in the atmosphere for quite a long time. >> i think it's hundreds of years. yeah methane will disappear. no, it'll be a very long, long process for equilibrium to the climate change for billions of years

before man made co2 emissions. >> so that climate change will continue for millions of years after many people want to get to net zero emissions. >> no, it won't continue. at the rate is going now. at the rate is going now . you know we're is going now. you know we're going three, you know, going to get to three, you know, three degrees plus over industrial level. you know by the the century or even before. >> but suddenly 3000 years ago in was two degrees in yorkshire, it was two degrees warmer it is now. so we've warmer than it is now. so we've deau warmer than it is now. so we've dealt with and adapted to different temperatures , the different temperatures, the climate constantly. surely we're better to adapt. isn't that going to be cost effective going to be more cost effective than suffer the pain that we've just touched on with farmers and steel groups and others? >> everybody's talking >> well, everybody's talking about .i >> well, everybody's talking about . i was in in about adaptation. i was in in dubai adaptation , you know, dubai adaptation, you know, absolutely vital. i want to adapt. >> i don't want to stop. i don't think you can stop climate change. i think those efforts are futile and going to destroy us us poorer and us and make us poorer and colder. if you look the colder. well if you look at the graph, we have certainly increased of co2 in increased the level of co2 in the hugely since the the atmosphere hugely since the beginning of this, this beginning of this, this beginning the century.

beginning of the last century. >> can be reversed. we did >> it it can be reversed. we did it with ozone, if you remember the i started in the ozone, when i started in 1976, ozone was a big, big issue. well by limiting the emissions of cfcs, we dealt with ozone. >> i just think that is different. and i think the missing point here is there's no evidence that if you get to net zero, that climate change is going to stop. indeed, the ipcc own, sixth report says that own, uh, sixth report says that sea level change, which is one of the big factors, won't stop rising for between 200 and 1000 years, aren't we betterjust rising for between 200 and 1000 years, aren't we better just to adapt and build a few sea level defences, stanley? >> again. do >> well, you can try again. do you know how much it costs to build the thames build the thames? the thames barrier billions of barrier a lot. billions of pounds, cheaper, a lot pounds, a lot cheaper, a lot cheaper of cheaper than the billions of pounds investing in. pounds we're investing in. >> zero. >> net zero. >> net zero. >> don't agree that. >> no, i don't agree with that. >> no, i don't agree with that. >> you don't agree with it? >> you don't agree with it? >> we may never agree, >> i suspect we may never agree, but to but it's excellent to talk to you, stanley. >> thank so indeed. >> thank you so much. indeed. fascinating discussion about marco commemoration. marco polo that commemoration. we'll look forward to that documentary be amazing. documentary. that'll be amazing. >> be fun. look >> it's going to be fun. look forward too. forward to the book, too. launching the london book launching at the london book fair march in fair affair in in march in march, fantastic.

>> stanley johnson , uh, always >> stanley johnson, uh, always got a strong view and writes brilliant books. thank you very much for coming into the studio. coming up. we have got big changes potentially afoot in the world of football . you've got world of football. you've got yellow you've got red yellow cards, you've got red cards. they want a different cards. now they want a different colour card, a blue card. sin bins really .7 is this a good idea bins really? is this a good idea or should they just actually just focus on getting some of the things like var right in the first place? i'll be talking to a former premier league player and a referee. don't go anywhere. up . next anywhere. up. next >> hi rishi here. as prime minister, i'm focussed on delivering on your priorities . delivering on your priorities. so i'll be on the road to join gb news for a special people's forum on monday the 12th of february, where i'll be taking questions from a live audience about the issues that really matter to you the economy, immigration, the nhs. see you there .

news radio. >> welcome back to me richard tice here on gb news this sunday. >> now football's lawmakers well they want to try something different. possibly sin binning players sin binning and issuing a different colour card , a blue a different colour card, a blue card. huge backlash has erupted from fans who think it's going to slow down the game. even more, who've lost confidence in the whole var system. so will this trial go ahead first, possible major change to the whole world of disciplinary measures since 1970. us work that 54 years ago was the introduction of red and yellow cards were brought in for the world cup back in mexico. well, let's get some thoughts from a former player. delighted to be joined from derbyshire by the

former derby, middlesbrough and leeds striker malcolm christie . leeds striker malcolm christie. malcolm, a very good morning . malcolm, a very good morning. thanks for joining malcolm, a very good morning. thanks forjoining us. so, um , thanks forjoining us. so, um, we've got yellow cards. we've got red cards. is it a good idea to have a sort of something in the middle just to make the ref's job a bit easier? what do you think to this, richard ? you think to this, richard? >> thanks for thanks for having me . um, look, i think that the me. um, look, i think that the backlash that we've seen from the announcement from the, um , the announcement from the, um, the announcement from the, um, the ifab people, i think that tells everything that you need to know in terms of what the thought process and what the feeling is. so certainly from a player's perspective , you know, player's perspective, you know, we're muddying waters, even we're muddying the waters, even more what we've more with regards to what we've already got. you've already mentioned issue about, mentioned the issue there about, uh, var. we've not nailed that anywhere near i mean , can you anywhere near i mean, can you imagine this blue card coming out? just the controversies of what it's going to cause i mean, the might as well call it the grey card, not the blue card, because there'll be that many

grey issues grey areas and that many issues that potentially this will that that potentially this will cause. know, you cause. um, you know, you think that player goes off the that a player then goes off the pitch, football's very, very different than what rugby is as an invasion you lose an invasion game. you lose a player in rugby, you're really up against it. you're up against the you know you're nigh the cosh, you know you're nigh on concede a try in on going to concede a try in that period of time. but is that so? football malcolm is that not an argument actually to try it in in in one league or tournament that actually it works quite successfully in rugby. >> it's a deterrent for bad behaviour. why not. why not give it a whirl richard. >> football . football changes >> football. football changes a lot when you go down to ten men. it's very different. you almost get ten players behind the ball, two banks of four or 5 or 5 and a four, and it's just very difficult. and can you imagine it would just be there would just be counting the clock down until player comes back until that player comes back out. killed out. the game almost gets killed a it goes down a little bit when it goes down to ten men and i think, again, you think that that rugby and i'm not knocking rugby for that.

but i think, know, you're but i think, you know, you're thinking of bringing this in with players that are paid with these players that are paid millions and millions of pounds, you know , being out of the game, you know, being out of the game, just sitting about the pitch for ten back ten minutes, coming back on, having a can you having to do a sprint. can you imagine if there's injuries as a, as a cause as a result of that what the premise of that i think what the premise of what trying is, is what they're trying to do is, is the thing the the correct thing and the right way. need out, um, way. we need to knock out, um, the, the dissent, the bad discipline. understand that, discipline. i understand that, i get that and i understand that the they've the successes that they've got at leagues, at grassroots at lower leagues, at grassroots and level is brilliant. fine. but there needs to be that education. and just because something in one of something works in one area of football , it doesn't mean to say football, it doesn't mean to say that it will work at the highest level . level. >> well, malcolm, pause with me. there uh, are of there because, uh, we are of course, channel watched and course, a channel watched and listened all over the world listened to all over the world from spain. i've the former from spain. i've got the former premier referee , mark premier league referee, mark kwasi. mark, a very good morning. it's almost good afternoon to you there. um, afternoon to you down there. um, thanks for joining us. afternoon to you down there. um, thanks forjoining us. so, uh, presumably you'd have been delighted by the blue card that would helped her. uh, in.

would have helped her. uh, in. sure. a little bit less abusive behaviour is this behaviour from players. is this a good thing or a bad thing for me, i think it's a it's a load of nonsense. >> i really do. um you know, you're going to get we've you're going to get it's we've got and cards . you're going to get it's we've got and cards. um, i got yellow and red cards. um, i think absolutely spun. i think it's going to it's going to slow the game right down. if you look, if you look at a player that that shows dissent and gets a blue card, he goes off for ten minutes. he then comes back on, uh, then gets another blue card. then is he is. he sent off then he is he is. he sent off for two blue cards. so what's what's the difference? what is the difference i think and you've hit on a really you've actually hit on a really important which important point, mark, which is slowing because slowing the game down because i know at twickenham know actually at twickenham yesterday there was some slow handicapping because of the constant reference to, to many sort of checks on the videos, the huge problems in football with the var system, maybe actually they should just focus on getting var right . well, on getting var right. well, absolutely. i mean it's something consistent isn't it. in the in the, in the premier league. and it's all over the

place. and we saw that place. and we had we saw that yesterday with debateable yesterday with with debateable handballs penalties that should have been given weren't have been given that weren't given. are getting given. var are not getting involved should and involved when they should and getting involved when they shouldn't. and uh , you know, for shouldn't. and uh, you know, for me, also you know who's me, you know also you know who's going to it's going just going to it's going to it's just making complicated. who's making it complicated. so who's going to deal going to who's going to deal with ten minutes. who's with the ten minutes. who's going time keeping. going to keep the time keeping. is to get is that player allowed to get back bench and then warm back off the bench and then warm up. you know, the up. um, so you know, the referees and officials have got enough to get on them. >> to, to malcolm >> i'll go back to, to malcolm in where's in derbyshire. malcolm, where's this ? um, this this idea come from? um, presumably someone thought it was idea somewhere . well, was a good idea somewhere. well, you've got them there trying to cut dissent , aren't we? cut out dissent, aren't we? >> seen it. i mean, back >> we've seen it. i mean, back in days, michael, you in my playing days, michael, you know, a referee i know, mark was a referee when i was playing the day. was playing back in the day. you'd you know, players you'd have, you know, players were very, very aggressive in terms tone of approach. terms of their tone of approach. um, and things like that, which i think that has curtailed . i think that has curtailed. certainly. um, from what i was used to as a player and yes, you've got that other one that, that , that foul where it's like

that, that foul where it's like people think it's a little bit more than a yellow, but not quite a red, you know, where someone's towards someone's running away towards the goal and someone deliberately trips. yeah, we all know that's just that, know that. that's just that, that in between. but that's as mark said, that's a yellow that in between. but that's as mari> i think if you, i think it's the education, i think the training education, i think the, the, var protocol needs the, the, the var protocol needs a reform. we've got to a total reform. we've got to take and obvious take away this clear and obvious error. and when i talk about

error. um and when i talk about the training education, as i said earlier , they haven't got said earlier, they haven't got noidea said earlier, they haven't got no idea of when to come in and when not to come in. they have got no idea of, of, uh, the handball , the phases of play handball, the phases of play for, for if we look at the two, the two handballs yesterday in the two handballs yesterday in the luton game, are never the luton game, they are never ever handballs their arms are in a natural position for that phase of play. and that's the problem. we've got. i think we need to get x players involved and talk, talk to the referees about natural and unnatural and i think that's right. >> you've hit it. you've hit it on the head mark. we need x players like malcolm and x refs like you it seems me. like you doing it seems to me. gentlemen very much gentlemen thank you very much indeed. football needs indeed. i think football needs to var before thinking to get var right before thinking of . former ref and of anything else. former ref and a former player completely against this blue card system. lots more to come up on the show. up next we're going to be talking about all things royal and get the latest on the king's health. richard health. you're watching richard tice gb news, britain's tice here on gb news, britain's news channel >> hi rishi here. as prime

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church with queen, which church with the queen, uh, which is his usual. it really is business as usual, being in mind. he's got to rest and he's going to have this cancer treatment. so it's great to see him this morning. treatment. so it's great to see him this morning . there's a few him this morning. there's a few well—wishers there and he's cheered him. and we've had a an announcement this morning that the king has said thank you very much. uh, both he and the queen are very touched by the amount of good wishes he's had. and he says it was it's the greatest comfort to him. and the queen. uh, and he and he heartened that sharing in his diagnosis has shone a light on the organisations like the nhs helping patients who are going through all sorts of problems , through all sorts of problems, including cancer. >> and charlie would you expect a rolling update of his treatment, or would that pretty much be it? >> i don't think we're going >> no, i don't think we're going to get, uh, you know, a blow by blow every day. what's going on? we know that he's due to, uh, we do know that he's due to, uh, either see, physically, the

prime minister next week at the usual session or do it by video link. he's expected back in london, i think, uh , to continue london, i think, uh, to continue the cancer treatment . i think the cancer treatment. i think there's another day he's going back for some treatment, and then it's going to be back very much to sandringham for rest and recuperation. but behind the scenes, he's still working . he's scenes, he's still working. he's still all these red boxes . still doing all these red boxes. he's still writing all his letters . the queen is the queen letters. the queen is the queen on the other hand, is trying to get him to rest a little bit more than normal. he's a workaholic, isn't he? is workaholic, isn't he? he is a workaholic, isn't he? he is a workaholic, isn't he? he is a workaholic, is very, very workaholic, which is very, very difficult . i the king difficult. but i think the king is not daft. he he realises that he's he's in a battle and he wants to win that battle and quite rightly so. absolutely >> but meanwhile, um, the, the prince of wales, he's going to be taking up a greater sense of duties. i mean, the pressure on on the prince of wales now is growing hugely, isn't it, charlie? it is. >> and as i understand it, kensington palace and buckingham

palace are actually looking at various diaries and various events that the prince of wales can take on. but let's not forget, it's not just the prince of wales. there is the queen as well. she she, her workload will be increasing there's be increasing and there's always. and i don't mean this derogatory terms. there's always edward and sophie. they've been doing a fine job as well in this new slimmed down monarchy. and of course there is the ever brilliant princess anne, who , brilliant princess anne, who, you know, just seems to be another work of work, another workaholic. >> charlie, thank you so much. indeed for that coming up, we're going to be going back to the child maintenance service and also talking about that. tucker carlson interview president carlson interview with president putin. but first, it's the . putin. but first, it's the. weather a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. a misty, murky met office. quite a misty, murky start today, but

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getting in touch on that. really interesting on your thoughts on that. we've also got a discussion about the tucker carlson and president putin interview. what does that really mean for the west? and yes, it's national pizza day celebrations. we're going to be cooking pizzas here in the studio. the producers are exciting, but excited. but first of all, let's get you up to date with your latest headlines tatiana latest headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> richard, thank you very much. and good afternoon . your top and good afternoon. your top stories from the gb newsroom. the defence secretary said to be furious over the ministry of defence's diversity and inclusivity policy. it's been reported in today's telegraph. the army wants to relax security clearance vetting for overseas recruits to boost diversity and inclusion , grant shapps told the inclusion, grant shapps told the sunday telegraph that he's ready to go to battle over the matter, and has ordered a review . he's and has ordered a review. he's warned there will be no lowering of security clearance requirements on his watch,

according to the paper , the uk's according to the paper, the uk's armed forces are looking overseas because they've reportedly failed to hit recruitment targets . for jitsu, recruitment targets. for jitsu, is said to have received more than £34 billion through contracts from treasury linked organisations. despite its role in the post office scandal, the commons treasury committee says fujitsu was awarded around £1.4 billion worth of deals since the high court ruling in 2019. in concluding there had been numerous failings in its horizon. it system £2 billion worth of contracts were also agreed before 2019, and remained active thereafter. a group of mps wrote to organisations including hmrc , the financial including hmrc, the financial conduct authority and the bank of england to demand details of their agreements with fujitsu . their agreements with fujitsu. the committee said all three have spent considerable considerable sums with them . two considerable sums with them. two people have been arrested after an eight year old child was seriously injured in a suspected

xl bully attack. the dog had bitten the child's head in merseyside yesterday afternoon. the boy has had emergency surgery remains in a serious but stable condition . doctors say stable condition. doctors say his injuries are life changing. officers seized the dog, which they believe to be an xl bully, a 49 year old woman and a 39 year old man. a 30 year old man, sorry, have been arrested . sorry, have been arrested. they're not related to the child , the housing secretary is warning young people shut out of the uk's housing market could turn to authoritarianism. michael gove says a failure by the government to tackle the housing crisis could harm democracy, as well as the conservatives chances at the next general election . in an next general election. in an interview with the times, he says the traditional route for young people to work hard and get on the housing ladder has gone. gove criticised labour for he says, continuously rejecting housing policies. >> the difference between a party saying that its policy is probing for not blocker and then

when we bring things forward , when we bring things forward, every single conservative mp, every single conservative mp, every single conservative mp, every single conservative backed our proposals for new homes and labour were whipped to a man and woman against it. so labour were whipped to a man and woman against it . so this is not woman against it. so this is not about individuals. this is about about individuals. this is about a party that makes big claims and yet, as we see time after time , it turns turtle. and time, it turns turtle. and that's why keir starmer is the jellyfish of british politics. he's transparent, spineless , he's transparent, spineless, swept along by the tide . swept along by the tide. >> quasiquote says immigration must be a key focus for the government when it comes to having success at the next election . the former chancellor election. the former chancellor also told gb news camilla tominey his decision to not stand for re—election as an mp is one he's been considering for a while . a while. >> think about it for a long time, have you? how long? and there was well, ever since the beginning the parliament. beginning of the parliament. actually, i had thought, i had thought and i was of thought and i was minister of state that point. i had state at that point. i had thought you know, three

thought that, you know, three terms, three obviously we had more elections, but 15 years is probably , in this modern probably, in this modern climate, a reasonable amount of time to be an mp. two of the principal things that conservatives should be fighting for are lower and secure for are lower taxes and secure borders, stronger immigration. yeah, and strong on taxes. and if you look at our see an immigration cap. yes. i mean there's got to be something on it. yeah. know, on it. i mean, yeah. you know, on two those metrics we haven't two of those metrics we haven't frankly performed very well. no >> king has attended >> and the king has attended church in sandringham for the first time since his cancer diagnosis. his majesty walked alongside queen camilla and waved well—wishers . last waved to well—wishers. last night. king charles thanked the nafion night. king charles thanked the nation for their overwhelming support in his first public message since the diagnosis announcement , the monarch said announcement, the monarch said such kind thoughts are the greatest comfort and encouragement that buckingham palace has said he's facing a form of cancer. unrelated to his recent prostate treatment . for recent prostate treatment. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the

qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. common alerts . gb news. common alerts. >> thank you, tatiana , and good >> thank you, tatiana, and good afternoon. yes, i'm standing for michael portillo. excuse me for this show until 1:00. and then the brilliant dawn neesom pm will be taking you forward after that. you've been getting in touch because it's national invention day. i wanted some form of duster and hoover to get rid of wokery and i'll be talking about that in the armed forces. you just heard it on the news there. unbelievable what is still going on? we've had some great them coming great messages. keep them coming in. go through some of them in. i'll go through some of them through of the hour. through the rest of the hour. john john would like a time john says john would like a time machine go back old machine to go back to old england, when actually felt england, when it actually felt like that john. like england. that was john. that me other one that reminds me of the other one about 1980s and a great

about the 1980s and a great leader. lots and lots of thoughts . also, many of you thoughts. also, many of you getting in touch and i really do appreciate this about the child maintenance stories. own maintenance stories. your own examples sides of this examples on either sides of this really important issue that i don't think is talked about in enough, because we want a system that works that's accurate , that that works that's accurate, that ensures parents pay for their responsibilities. but also doesn't actually press this and penalise and send people to prison or far, far worse. we'll be talking shortly to charlie peters about some of those stories that have come in. we're also just going to look at this issue of liability orders because those are the orders that essentially that's the legal ruling for payments to take money from a paying parent's account . and i've got parent's account. and i've got a clip here about how they now raise these liable rmt orders in bulk . just take a look at this. bulk. just take a look at this. >> are you are you ironing out the systemic delays liability or

did i talked about earlier which is the legal recognition of a debt. is legislative for us, you know. and that that requires you to take that to court . and uh, to take that to court. and uh, hmcts have been fantastic and working with us. and i think the report reflects that . and moving report reflects that. and moving to digital courts, where we take bulk liability orders 100 to 100 at a time to speed things up, rather than individual court appearances . so we are we are appearances. so we are we are making progress. um, on the liability order part of the process. sanctions. unfortunately as a personal appearance in court , again, we appearance in court, again, we keep working closely with the court service to if we can, court service to see if we can, um, speed that up. some of um, speed that up. but some of it is legislated and we can't. we can't get away from the fact that you need a liability order to forward . so you need a to move forward. so you need a liability order to move forward . liability order to move forward. >> and that's fine. but we want these things to be accurate. that absolutely is a key thing. otherwise you end up with with errors on either side of it. and we've got lots of messages coming in and it seems that under some new legislation

that's come in, you don't even need to go to court now for these liability orders. but that's the question. if the if the calculations are patently wrong , where's the redress? wrong, where's the redress? where does actually stop? where does this actually stop? just take a at this just just take a look at this clip a select committee. >> and so this bill makes important improvements to cms enforcement processes by amending existing powers . once amending existing powers. once commenced. this will allow the secretary of state to make an administrative liability order where the paying parent has failed to pay an amount of child maintenance without the need to make an application to court. >> well, there we are . so >> well, there we are. so applications don't need to go to court . and some might say that court. and some might say that improves the administration , improves the administration, makes quicker and faster to makes it quicker and faster to ensure that non—resident paying parents pay and that's fine as long as it's accurate. well, joining me now is a retired solicitor who's got experience of working with the cms . richard of working with the cms. richard visick. richard, thank you for joining me this afternoon on this important issue. just tell

us about your experience of working with the cms . obviously, working with the cms. obviously, it's a big department. it's a very important issue too. what's your experience of your sense of their ability to get things right? >> well, what you've just shown with your earlier interview with mark and lee, um, just shows exactly the sort of problems happen on a very wide scale indeed. happen on a very wide scale indeed . and obviously, i'm very indeed. and obviously, i'm very sorry to hear the story you showed earlier with that . and showed earlier with that. and obviously the latest changes they're to they're making are going to make they're making are going to make the worse because the situation even worse because it's going give the cms it's going to give the cms the power to actually bit power to actually issue a bit like the post office. you know, they actually be prosecutors they can actually be prosecutors and, and, uh, and then carry out , uh, administrative liability orders very quickly without the ability, as you said earlier , ability, as you said earlier, with the challenging of the actual calculations . so that's actual calculations. so that's highly unfair on the people like your mark and lee earlier today. and just on mark lee, i'm very happy to write a letter. uh in connection with that. if they have problems in the have these problems in the future, obviously likely to do with way is, um , and

with the way the cms is, um, and in connection this, this in connection with this, this program . um, also, i would program. um, also, um, i would like to thank yourselves at the reform party for actually voicing these concerns because usually when i take part in these papers, no these consultation papers, no one at all actually seems to be writing in on a professional basis, if that makes sense. a lot of people of us in the profession are actually quite scared, uh, to be honest. really >> so when you when you say that scared because you're dealing with government department or with a government department or because work , why because of future work, why would be scared of. would people be scared of. >> it's both of those things really , because then they really, because then they there's , uh, quite a lot of there's, uh, quite a lot of pressure not not to do that. so it is even even i'm actually feeling scared as i speak now, to be honest. yeah >> i mean, richard well, i'm very hugely grateful that you have on to talk about it. have come on to talk about it. and you when you are and and, you know, when you are nervous of that, i think whistleblowing , uh, it's really whistleblowing, uh, it's really important because at end of important because at the end of the all want get the day, we all just want to get this right. want the this right. we want the calculations to be accurate to people, promptly . and i people, to pay promptly. and i think of us who taxes ,

think all of us who pay taxes, and want the government and we just want the government departments to stuff departments to get stuff organised. you touched organised. and when you touched on, i same concerns on, i use the same concerns about another post office scandal . it feels to me that scandal. it feels to me that we've got to put pressure and we've got to put pressure and we've got to have the courage to call out this department to say, come on folks, you surely can do a better than this . a lot better than this. >> absolutely. there's nowhere for like and to for people like mark and lee to go. the idea of having to go. and the idea of having to travel miles miles travel miles and miles for a court hearing, only being given a month, which quite frankly, even it's even as a solicitor, it's actually very hard to actually do out what to do do that and work out what to do with appeal process. that's with an appeal process. that's very well . all very nerve wracking as well. all are, especially are, quite frankly, especially when completely unfair and when it's completely unfair and wrong calculations . so wrong in its calculations. so there definitely, uh, there are definitely, uh, problems in that area. and and indeed, mark and lee, they were nervous talking about it here in the studio. >> i'm incredibly grateful they did. and just finally, richard , did. and just finally, richard, there's a the ability to change a calculation. how does that work. and is that a sensible and fair if your income has changed andifs fair if your income has changed and it's very, very difficult because you get 25% if your

income goes down by 25% or more, then they will change it. >> but it takes three months plus extra time of processing. so effectively you have someone who's down 24, let's say there's no change in the income, which is very, very difficult for people . that situation. and people. that situation. and worse than that, the cms is tightening on enforcement at tightening up on enforcement at the and broadening its the moment and broadening its reach generally. and at the same time , it's not actually given time, it's not actually given access to for other people who are in the position of mark lee to well , my expenses have to say, well, my expenses have gone as we know, gone up, you know, as we know, inflation uh, inflation has rocketed. uh, interest rates have got that. those even taken into those are not even taken into consideration. you've got consideration. so you've got a horrific cocktail of horrific cocktail there of problems people facing this problems for people facing this situation. and then cms and on the side richard , the other side of it, richard, in your experience, because already lots already we're getting lots of comments coming in. >> people on the other >> there are people on the other side who are saying that that that they're former partner haven't paid for years, and the cms says there's nothing they can do about it. it feels to me there's it's like neither side is happy in this. >> uh, it's a it's a difficult

problem, obviously, but the problem, obviously, but the problem about enforcing too hard is a with the and certainly the cases i've seen quite often, they are wrong about the calculations. don't give . calculations. they don't give. even someone to pay even when someone wants to pay and , they actually just and can pay, they actually just suddenly off put suddenly go off and put a garnishee against the garnishee order against the employer , to get the money employer, uh, to get the money out, which damages their reputation. out, which damages their repuaggressive out, which damages their repu�*aggressive with the cms and very aggressive with the cms and i think they should be almost working with the actual , uh, working with the actual, uh, paying working with the actual, uh, paying parent. for example , to paying parent. for example, to give them more chance to , uh, give them more chance to, uh, look at how they can reschedule debts and actually even write off debts. but this money isn't going to be got by. but from the cms, the way they're actually trying to do it. so that's a key point. >> so finally, richard, almost like have like an like could you not have like an interim payment while the calculations being clarified calculations are being clarified and got exactly right , at least and got exactly right, at least if interim payment was agreed if an interim payment was agreed faster, that might be a sort of halfway compromise halfway house compromise solution , i think. solution, i think. >> i think it's a very good idea, but the cms are very hard to get hold of. so it was on something where mark and

something like where mark and lee were there. there's actually very get in very hard for them to get in touch someone who can touch with someone who can actually decisions, actually make those decisions, or actually to deal with or even actually to deal with their queries, speak. their queries, so to speak. i mean, actually even mean, it's actually hard to even get balance on the computer on get a balance on the computer on your account. your cms account. >> sounds to talk to. >> sounds like hard to talk to. >> sounds like hard to talk to. >> renee post office sound. >> renee post office on sound. >> renee post office on sound. >> talk anybody >> it's hard to talk to anybody down any sort of outsourcing service or anything, or service or anything, hmrc or whatever. um richard, thank you so much as a retired solicitor for joining us and sharing that. forjoining us and sharing that. and as richard said, actually, uh, also nervous himself about talking about this . charlie talking about this. charlie peters is joining me in the studio. i mean, this is a big topic. there's obviously lots of different sides to it. you've heard there from from richard, who's sort of nervous about talking about it, but we're getting loads and loads of people writing in, including i think got a couple of think you've got a couple of examples, people who've examples, charlie. people who've where they've of clarified where they've sort of clarified what's not being paid. what's due but not being paid. >> it's >> that's right. it's interesting richard interesting to hear richard saying that he concerned saying that he is concerned about wide scale of so many about the wide scale of so many of these problems. on the same day that the government is announcing response to a announcing its response to a

consultation bring in more consultation to bring in more enforcement powers and actually speeding up the enforcement process. so as we understand it, that's going to go from six months to six weeks. that's the government's aim. and within that, all sorts of figures are being bandied around today. we've heard in the week that some 78,000 parents are not paying some 78,000 parents are not paying in full the amount that's owed. and today the government is saying that 10,000 parents are refusing to pay what so even are refusing to pay what so ever. so these are massive numbers as 10,000 refuse to pay nearly 80,000. >> where the numbers clearly not quite right. huge huge numbers. and yet the government's getting going to get more aggressive with enforcement . but if you with enforcement. but if you can't make the calculations right, then i mean , is the idea right, then i mean, is the idea of having an interim payment or maybe that already happens. well, the question for the government, i think today for many parents from the many paying parents and from the people speaking to, people we've been speaking to, is you be sure that is that how can you be sure that of those 78,000 or 10,000, many are not facing false debts and

false arrears that have been put on them due to a punitive measure to take more cash from them with false calculate ones. >> this is the allegation that we're hearing. and to hear also some of the plans the government is making within that process, we they can disqualify we know that they can disqualify driving licenses to take charging orders on homes earlier in the week. this week in the commons , therese coffey said commons, therese coffey said that curfew orders should be in to put on paying. >> government seems to be looking at on one side and you touched on the sort of the inflation of arrears. let's just take look. i think got take a look. i think we've got one clip a select one more clip of a select committee about the delay . great committee about the delay. great exaggeration of sums due. let's just take a look . just take a look. >> there's some severe question marks over the figure of 3.8. i think that the work that the department has done has done identifies that going back many years, we used to create something called an interim maintenance arrangement, essentially , it was a number essentially, it was a number that was brought up to say to the non—resident parent, this is how much you'll have to pay.

actually used as a bit of a lever when they wouldn't give us their pay information, which lever when they wouldn't give us the have' information, which lever when they wouldn't give us the have to information, which lever when they wouldn't give us the have to askiformation, which lever when they wouldn't give us the have to ask for. nation, which lever when they wouldn't give us the have to ask for. soion, which lever when they wouldn't give us the have to ask for. so actuallyh we have to ask for. so actually it and seems to it was inflated and it seems to be inflated by about 300. so when they didn't pay all those numbers have gone the numbers have gone into the arrears. so truth is arrears. so the truth is actually are actually those arrears are somewhat inflated because of the tools that we used. you know, up tools that we used. you know, up to 18 years ago. >> i mean, that's pretty shocking that they're deliberately arrears deliberately inflating arrears to encourage pay . and to encourage people to pay. and yet i'm going to read again the department of work and progress , department of work and progress, work and pensions respond on this because they think that it all seems to be accurate . they all seems to be accurate. they say child maintenance payments help her out. 160,000 children out of poverty each year, and they continue to improve the cms through automating simple processes and spending more time with vulnerable customers. well, ihave with vulnerable customers. well, i have to say that doesn't seem to be the experience so far, but we could be being a bit too selective. they also go on to say cms payments are calculated to be reasonable, affordable for the parent, and decisions the paying parent, and decisions can appealed and a court will

can be appealed and a court will decide they're wrong . well, i decide if they're wrong. well, i don't think that's right because the court doesn't decide if they're just they're wrong. the court just approves orders . approves the liability orders. i'll reading their i'll keep on reading their statement, says the appeal statement, which says the appeal rights paying parents when rights for paying parents when the intends to take the cms intends to take enforcement action, it does feel charlie finally , a bit of a mess charlie finally, a bit of a mess that needs sorting out . that needs sorting out. otherwise we're going to end up like post office scandal. >> and so many parents have been speaking over the speaking to gb news over the last couple of months about their here, about their experiences here, about their experiences here, about their answers , their failure to get answers, about their failure to get the information that need, information that they need, and the clarification on the debts they frankly, what they know. and frankly, what they know. and frankly, what they saying is a failing they are saying is a failing bureaucracy that not bureaucracy that is not responding concerns and responding to their concerns and that impact on that has a detrimental impact on their and their their livelihood and their mental health. and we've heard some really appalling and very worrying testimony along those lines we have. >> and so vital just get >> and so it's vital just to get it so that the due it right so that the due payments can be made promptly and swiftly. and we said, you know, parents must up to know, parents must live up to their response abilities for their response abilities for their children, for sure. we get that. does feel to me

that. but it does feel to me that. but it does feel to me that is a real mess. and it that this is a real mess. and it feels to me from the dwp statement, concerns is statement, what concerns me is they don't seem to be recognising there's lots of recognising that there's lots of errors just ploughing on with ever greater enforcement and i spoke to relatives where tragically there were suicides in their family. i know, charlie, you're going to keep abreast of this. look at the many comments coming in. i really do appreciate it. please do keep those thoughts experiences coming in from both sides where sides of it, including where actually agreed , but actually the sum is agreed, but the parent isn't paying. charlie peters, an important topic that we at gb news will keep abreast of. thank you very much indeed. well, i touched on earlier about wokery. i want to invent something that gets rid of it . something that gets rid of it. i'll be discussing that . that i'll be discussing that. that and also a worrying report about the armed forces . oh dear, oh the armed forces. oh dear, oh dean the armed forces. oh dear, oh dear. more more and more diversity and inclusion officers unlike armed forces that actually defend us. i don't need diversity officers . even when diversity officers. even when troop numbers are dangerously low. don't go anywhere .

jenrick leaving the government. >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back, my friends. well, you have been getting in touch and i'm very grateful indeed , both on the inventions indeed, both on the inventions but also on what we've been talking about on the child maintenance service, where ruth says see gb news says it's great to see gb news tackling very unfair cms and tackling the very unfair cms and hopeit tackling the very unfair cms and hope it give hope to many. it does need deeper investigation , does need deeper investigation, ruth says, so hopes this goes on because it seems really difficult expose what's going difficult to expose what's going on. greta says that the system is completely broken and i've been trying to sort it out with them since last october. yeah. so there is , there is that and so there is, there is that and we've got to then greta goes on to say it took me to escalate a claim twice before anything was

actually done , and even now it actually done, and even now it hasn't been sorted completely . hasn't been sorted completely. so there we are now, inventions . so there we are now, inventions. there we are on inventions , rod there we are on inventions, rod says.i there we are on inventions, rod says. i suggest a method in which you could capture and harness lightning strikes worldwide . and that's an worldwide. and that's an interesting idea. and then capture the immense energy source to power our homes . source to power our homes. fascinating. adrian says , i'd fascinating. adrian says, i'd like to invent a revolution , a like to invent a revolution, a system never seen before, a system never seen before, a system that can make accurate calculations regarding the cms . calculations regarding the cms. there we go. a very nice merger there, adrian, of that, william says , i'd like to invent says, i'd like to invent a parliament time machine and get everyone there to learn about parliament, things parliament, who get things done. well, talking of getting things done, it's fair to say done, i think it's fair to say that the defence secretary grant shapps, happy. in shapps, is not very happy. in fact , he's shapps, is not very happy. in fact, he's reported to be furious that the british army wants relax security checks. wants to relax security checks. this is a just i mean, how can you relax security checks for recruits from overseas to boost

diversity and inclusion at the same time? there's another report out in one of the newspapers this morning that the various armed forces , uh, various armed forces, uh, they've got between they've got over 40 diversity, inclusion and equality staff costing hundreds and hundreds and hundreds , in and hundreds and hundreds, in fact, millions of pounds every year when there's a recruitment crisis for real armed forces personnel, are actually going to defend us. well, i'm delighted to be joined down the line by major general chip chapman to discuss this chip, what's going on here? i mean, we want our armed forces to defend us. we don't need to lower recruitment standards and diversity, do we? >> no we don't. it's like all these things. it's where this fits into fighting power. the first thing is you can't lower the security standards because security protection is protective . security is a protective. security is a responsibility , not a mission. responsibility, not a mission. and that is on three levels. the first level is the basic check.

the second level is a security check, and the third level is, um, develop vetting. now, if you if you've got a foreign malign force, which is up to espionage and subversion, what you don't want to do is give people access to the crown jewels and the secrets of the of the country . secrets of the of the country. now, those who initially come in, of course , don't. they would in, of course, don't. they would not go through developed not go through the developed vetting process would be vetting process that would be when you were higher up the chain of command. but you cannot compromise the security . we compromise on the security. we cannot that in way cannot lower that in the way that, for example, you might lower physical standards or, uh, intellectual standards. so that is a red line. you just cannot compromise on that. >> but it seems such an obvious red line. i mean, where's this coming from? who's, who's saying this? it's hard to believe that seal senior military officers can have gone, woke themselves to come up with this nonsense . to come up with this nonsense. >> no, i don't think they probably have. i think this this will probably get quietly thrown into file 13. it won't come to any fruition. it's quite clear

in the joint service , uh, in the joint service, uh, programs. what the security standards are . and i don't see standards are. and i don't see those being, uh, comp , uh, those being, uh, comp, uh, compromised. i think on the, uh, diversity officers . i think diversity officers. i think really it should matter if, uh, there are people who are looking at ethnic minority and women's campaigns and initiatives , as campaigns and initiatives, as long as it is value for money and the output is there that you're getting people in who conform to the notion of fighting power, that that fighting power, that is, that the team and the task come before the individual . now, before the individual. now, research america certainly at research in america certainly at the national training centre, has that kind of diversity has said that kind of diversity doesn't matter in its by doesn't really matter in its by itself because what really matters in the army is vertical cohesion between leader and lead and horizontal cohesion between the team . that is what you the team. that is what you expect. people to join on because of the standards and values to do with selfless commitment, loyalty, courage , commitment, loyalty, courage, discipline, respect for others and integrity. if you break that either due to relationship

conflicts or task conflict or identity conflicts that the individual comes between the before the task or the team, then you shouldn't be in the army anyway. >> um, i'm sure that's right. i mean, it just feels to me that the time, energy, effort, and resource focusing on this , i'd resource focusing on this, i'd rather actually focus, for example, on getting procurement right or actually getting the recruitment process right . i recruitment process right. i mean, i gather that recruitment is way below targets. that's where the energy and effort should be, isn't it ? should be, isn't it? >> yeah. and i think there's a fair point on that. both both recruitment and retention need to be better . the key thing to be better. the key thing about recruitment is it needs to be more agile than it is, because gen z, those who want to join generally are said to have an eight second filter. if they're engaged by they're not engaged by something, on. and if something, they move on. and if you've got a process which takes 150 days from when you say you want to join to getting in, a lot of them will move on because thatis lot of them will move on because that is a long time to wait. >> how many days chip ?

>> how many days chip? >> how many days chip? >> it can be as long as 150 days. with the recruiting process. >> so let's call that give or take six months. i mean, a young person who's thinking of going to the armed forces is they're going to they're going to go elsewhere months. mean , elsewhere in six months. i mean, i'd six days, not i'd be looking at six days, not six months, for sake . six months, for heaven's sake. >> right. and the sort of >> that's right. and the sort of technical definition agility technical definition of agility is responsiveness , adaptability. is responsiveness, adaptability. and to be more and we need to be more responsive and more adaptable in that part of the recruitment process that is absolutely a given from anyone with half a brain cell . brain cell. >> chapman, thank you so much . >> chapman, thank you so much. indeed, major general chip chapman, your thoughts chapman, for your thoughts there. think we to there. i think we do need to employ a lot of brain cells, please. uh, that's chip chapman. employ a lot of brain cells, pleasigoih, that's chip chapman. employ a lot of brain cells, pleasigo anywhere, hip chapman. employ a lot of brain cells, pleasigo anywhere, folks.|apman. employ a lot of brain cells, pleasigo anywhere, folks. we'lln. employ a lot of brain cells, plediscussing/here, folks. we'lln. employ a lot of brain cells, ple discussing the 5, folks. we'lln. employ a lot of brain cells, ple discussing the tucker. we'lln. employ a lot of brain cells, ple discussing the tucker carlson. be discussing the tucker carlson interview with vladimir up interview with vladimir putin up next. but first up, it's tatiana sanchez with the . news. sanchez with the. news. >> richard, thank you and good afternoon. your top stories from the gb news room. the defence secretary said to be furious over the ministry of defence's

diversity inclusivity diversity and inclusivity policy. it's been reported in today's telegraph that the army wants to relax security clearance vetting for overseas recruits to boost diversity and inclusion. grant shapps told the sunday telegraph that he's ready to go to battle over the matter and has ordered a review. he's warned there'll be no lowering of security clearance requirements on his watch, according to the paper , the uk's according to the paper, the uk's armed forces are looking overseas because they've reportedly failed to hit recruitment targets . fujitsu is recruitment targets. fujitsu is said to have received more than £3.4 said to have received more than £34 billion through contracts £3.4 billion through contracts from treasury linked organisations, despite its role in the post office scandal. the commons treasury committee says fujitsu was awarded around £1.4 billion worth of deals since the high court ruling in 2019, concluding there had been numerous failings in its horizon . it system . £2 billion worth of . it system. £2 billion worth of contracts were also agreed before 2019, and remained active thereafter. a group of mps wrote

to organisations including hmrc, the financial conduct authority and the bank of england to demand details of their agreements with fujitsu. the committee said all three have spent considerable sums with them . two people have been them. two people have been arrested after an eight year old child was seriously injured in a suspected xl bully attack. the dog bit the child's head in merseyside yesterday afternoon. the boy has had emergency surgery and remains in a serious but stable condition. doctors say his injuries are life changing . officers seized the changing. officers seized the dog, which they believe to be an xl bully . a 49 year old woman xl bully. a 49 year old woman and 30 year old man have been arrested. they're not related to the child . and the king has the child. and the king has attended church in sandringham for the first time since his cancer diagnosis. his majesty walked alongside queen camilla and waved to well—wishers last night . king charles thanked the night. king charles thanked the nafion night. king charles thanked the nation for their overwhelming support in his first public

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>> you're listening to tv, news, radio. >> welcome back to the last half hour of the show. i'm standing for in michael portillo during this week. now we've got more views on various things here, which i really do appreciate, matthew says on the arm. his son was kept on hold by the outsourcing agency out for that was doing the recruitment for

two years during his application to join the army and surprise, surprise, he gave up in the end. very sad. especially as matthew is a veteran . very sad. especially as matthew is a veteran. i very sad. especially as matthew is a veteran . i heard it there is a veteran. i heard it there from chip. i don't want two years. i want six days. i want someone from the forces , you someone from the forces, you know, maybe a veteran to do the recruitment . that way you recruitment. that way you motivate young people, get them in whilst they're excited, get on it. don't wait two on with it. don't wait two years. it's insanity on cms jazz says says, it seems to me says jan says, it seems to me that illegal immigrants are now allowed numerous appeals at great cost to the taxpayer , and great cost to the taxpayer, and yet people are being hounded by the cms and not able to take their case to a judge even once. that's a great, great thought, jan. it really is. jan. i mean, it really is. again, it's just it's just not right . it's just incompetent. right. it's just incompetent. feels to me . and susan says, feels to me. and susan says, with regard to stanley and johnson making shedloads of money out of the green agenda scam , um, it's all about the scam, um, it's all about the money. susan's not happy about that. money. susan's not happy about that . susan says it's more about that. susan says it's more about the transfer of wealth and the

poorest will suffer. i agree with you, susan. i am not happy about it at all. now some of you may have seen the interview that was a couple of days ago was aired a couple of days ago by tucker carlson with vladimir putin. quite extraordinary. went for on a couple of hours or so, and the russian president said the invasion was necessary , the invasion was necessary, really to prevent ukraine from posing a threat to russia. lots of other things were discussed. i'm delighted to be joined down the line by martin whittaker to discuss this. martin is a former soviet historian and author. martin, a very good afternoon to you. um this interview, i mean , you. um this interview, i mean, i guess on the one hand, journalists , um, is about asking journalists, um, is about asking people on both sides of a debate, getting both sides of a story and tucker carlson obviously very pleased with himself that he, he, he got that. but what were your thoughts to what appeared to many, uh, a very softball interview with very softball

questions ? questions? >> well, two things strikes. one from this interview, the first is it shows the quite remarkable pivot of the maga republican wing of the republican party, away from . distrust of russia away from. distrust of russia and projecting of russian power towards cosying up towards authoritarian rulers and towards isolationism . um, that's the isolationism. um, that's the first thing that strikes one. this is not what one would have expected from the republican party ten, 15 years ago, but it also shows the way in which vladimir putin cherry picks history, um, and then misuses the bits, the cherries, if you like, that he picks in order to fit narrative that excuses his fit a narrative that excuses his behaviour, makes everybody behaviour, that makes everybody else responsible for what he's done , and himself acting done, and himself simply acting in his own self—defence and let's just touch on the extraordinary things . extraordinary things. >> yeah, martin, this point about the history, because you've got considerable experience in soviet history and president putin, he went on for almost half an hour about the history centre his way centuries

back. history centre his way centuries back . what are your thoughts back. what are your thoughts about the truth of what, uh, putin said about that history ? putin said about that history? >> well, the reality is that ukraine and russia have got connected . so putin talks about connected. so putin talks about the fact that the first russian state was centred on kyiv that's right. it became an orthodox community. that's correct . um, community. that's correct. um, he talks about the fact that in the 17th century, um, the leader of the ukrainian cossacks accepted russian overlordship. yes. that's correct. but he ignores vast amounts of things. he ignores the independence of ukraine. he ignores their their separate culture. he ignores the fact that at times in its history, ukraine was part of the lithuanian duchy and then the polish—lithuanian commonwealth. um, how the russians tried to basically russify ukraine in the 19th century, how the first opportunity in 1917, ukrainians broke away from russia and then were brought back by the red

army in 1921. how they suffered terribly under stalin. how at the first opportunity in 1991, they voted overwhelmingly for independence , which was accepted independence, which was accepted by russia when it signed up to ukraine, giving up its nuclear weapons and the budapest memorandum of 1994. he ignores all of that. and he says, well, because we have had roots connected in the past, it's fine to take it back. you just can't ignore the recent history the ignore the recent history of the places. >> f- f— >> that's right. and it seems that the interviewer , tucker that the interviewer, tucker carlson, i mean, some of his questions were, well, they were just just just basically sort of open goals to putin. he didn't ask him about war crimes. he didn't ask him about political prisoners like alexander navalny. and also he seemed to contradict himself . if putin in contradict himself. if putin in the interview , on the one hand, the interview, on the one hand, he said that he didn't want to go any further than ukraine, that he wasn't interested in poland or latvia . but on the poland or latvia. but on the other hand, he said he he wanted

to get rid of the nazis in ukraine and that was his key objective . if . objective. if. >> yeah, this this is part of this whole, this whole narrative of putin that he's saying, well, actually, we russians acted in self—defence in 2022. these ukrainians were being nazified . ukrainians were being nazified. they were threatening us. they were going to be an advanced base for nato. and of course, what here is that there's what we see here is that there's been a failed attempt by the russians to interfere, intervene in ukrainian politics for the last 15 years. and whenever it fails, russians play fails, the russians play hardball. so in 2014, having said that , crimea was part of said that, crimea was part of ukraine, they go and take it back. they stir up trouble. yes, there had been disaffection in there had been disaffection in the donbas area of eastern ukraine against kyiv. that's true. there were a lot of russian speakers there who weren't russians weren't happy. but the russians actively, fanned the actively, actively fanned the flames of this. and then when they invade, they say, we're only doing this for our own self—defence. simply self—defence. and it's simply not true . the russians here are not true. the russians here are acting to control their own

backyard and actually subvert an independent state and deny it the ability to decide its own future . but it's not putin's future. but it's not putin's fault. remember, as putin will tell you, it's all the fault of the west who threatening the west who are threatening russia. quite russia. it's a quite extraordinary narrative. and tucker carlson gave him all the opportunities to do so. carlson effectively said, here's here's an open goal . vladimir, kick the an open goal. vladimir, kick the ball in there. that's right. >> it was a two hour interview and that's the point for me. i think the key thing is that putin said before he invaded ukraine that he wasn't going to invade ukraine. and now he says he's no interest in poland or latvia. why would anybody trust such a man who's completely broken his pledges ? broken his pledges? >> and that's absolutely the case, isn't it? i mean, i personally do not think that putin is about to invade the baltic states or about to invade finland or poland because the russian military have been so degraded by their failure in ukraine? i do not think that is

possible. i do not think it's on his agenda. but i think if he gets away with this in ukraine as well ukrainian suffering, as well as ukrainian suffering, i will trouble on i think he will cause trouble on the borders of nato for the eastern borders of nato for years to come. look at kaliningrad. absolutely the area where lithuania and poland and kaliningrad trouble , trouble. kaliningrad trouble, trouble. >> martin, thank you very much indeed for your thoughts on that tucker carlson interview. that's martin whitlock, who is a soviet historian and author. really interesting. if you haven't seen the interview, form your own judgement. it's two hours long. take your time, but it's worth watching . up next. of course, watching. up next. of course, it's national pizza day, as well as national invention day. we're going to be cooking . we're going going to be cooking. we're going to in and showing to be tucking in and showing what make the what it is like to make the perfect perfect you're perfect, perfect slice. you're watching richard tice here on watching me richard tice here on gb news, britain's news channel . gb news, britain's news channel. >> hi rishi. here as prime minister, i'm focussed on delivering on your priorities. so i'll be on the road to join gb news for a special people's forum on monday the 12th of

february, where i'll be taking questions from a live audience about the issues that really matter to you. the economy , matter to you. the economy, immigration, the nhs. matter to you. the economy, immigration, the nhs . see you immigration, the nhs. see you there

>> your listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back my friends . >> welcome back my friends. we're near the end of the show. there's been a lot of important, serious stuff to discuss. so as we approach lunchtime, what better way than to talk about sort of our changing pal ? let's, sort of our changing pal? let's, you know, many people might have been used to a roast dinner on a sunday, hopefully with the family, then you be family, but then you might be thinking, about thinking, well, what about something about bit something else? what about a bit of for example ? but of pizza? for example? but national day was just two national pizza day was just two days and it started the days ago, and it started the pizza sort of started the national pizza day in the early

2000. and 20 years later, we're celebrating this fantastic italian dish. what better than to be joined in the studio by a founder of his own pizza shop, andrea associati, to talk about some of these signature pieces? andrea, thank you for coming in. you've got some pizzas here, but first of all, you're an entrepreneur. you've set up your own business, your own pizza shop. just just give us a flavour of how that is. what that's like. >> uh, it's really exciting. it's a lot of hard work and passion behind and yeah, we've been trading since 2021. and, uh, next month, the coming february will be one year that we have our , uh, first shop, we have our, uh, first shop, brick and mortar and, uh, yeah, thank you for having me here. no. >> it's fantastic. and, i mean, it must be very nerve wracking setting up a new pizza shop. yes, a lot of hard work, a lot of stress . of stress. >> basically, when we started, we started post pandemic. >> basically, when we started, we started post pandemic . so we we started post pandemic. so we opened two weeks just before the lift—off of all the restrictions

. so there have been hard times , . so there have been hard times, but we still here, we still stay. >> you're still here. that's what we like. i love that entrepreneurial spirit and you know pizzas are fantastic. so talk us through what i mean. make a pizza wouldn't make a pizza and you wouldn't want me making it because it would be a disaster. but would be a disaster. but but talk through making of it talk us through the making of it so uh, natural fermented so we do uh, natural fermented uh, to our pizzas. uh, process to make our pizzas. >> we do a 72 hours ferment in this is our dough. and now 72 hours. yeah. we use a very small amount of yeast and, um, we let the dough rise naturally . so the dough rise naturally. so it's very light, very digestible, and, uh, very light. >> look at this. >> look at this. >> i mean, that's a real art. >> there we are. i'm definitely not. >> i mean, you can practice this at home, but if i practice this in the studio, it'll go horribly wrong. look at this. >> you've got high quality ingredients. >> so we do with the >> so we do the base with the same marzano tomato. >> oh, smell is fantastic . >> oh, smell is fantastic. >> oh, smell is fantastic. >> thank you richard. and then

we do a drizzle of parmesan bit of parmesan on top there. >> all sorts of basil. there's the there's the there's the bafil the there's the there's the basil going on. >> and then last but not least is our last mozzarella . is our last mozzarella. >> and the quality of the mozzarella . mozzarella. >> that's obviously very important . important. >> yeah. he comes from the napou >> yeah. he comes from the napoli area . >> yeah. he comes from the napoli area. uh >> yeah. he comes from the napoli area . uh from agerola. napoli area. uh from agerola. he's uh the background of the sorrento peninsula . and they do sorrento peninsula. and they do a very good mozzarella there. so really good quality, really, really good quality, really, really important. yes. then we finish our pizza with a drizzle of extra virgin olive oil. >> drizzle of extra oil. >> drizzle of extra oil. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and then we are ready to go in the oven for roughly 100 and 20s in the oven for roughly 100 and 205 100 in the oven for roughly 100 and 20s 100 and 20s. 20s100 and 20s. >> so a couple of minutes. so really is. and what's the temperature of that oven 450 degrees to 450 to 500 depending on on the need and the rhythm of the work and how many seconds. either way, to get it wrong or

to burn it to get it wrong is easy. >> so easy. five to 10s can get it five to 10s either way, if the oven is too hot right, you can get burned easily underneath. so um, there's a lot of work . of work. >> there's a lot of work, a lot of work. and and the also the sort of the different crusts, the different thickness of crust i >> -- >> do you do that or do you have your own style that we stick to? >> we do a traditional neapolitan so we do neapolitan pizza. so we do a very thin in the middle and a bit thicker at the edge . you can bit thicker at the edge. you can see here it's about 1 to 2cm thick. uh, and that's the fluffiness of the dough is due to the hydration of the dough that we, we do we do nearly 70% hydration on on this here. >> okay. >> okay. >> so that's that's your sort of format. yes. and um, the whole piece there are so many pizza restaurants now do you do both in in the restaurant we do. and delivery and takeaway. >> yes. >> yes. >> after the post pandemic and i'll say nearly 40% of our

business is delivery now, nearly 40. >> we do have a small restaurant. >> we do 30 seater. but, um, it's we try to, to, to be trying to get the best of both worlds. >> yeah. and adjust that. and you know, obviously money is tight. are you noticing any difference demand or in difference in demand or in for the lower cost pizzas. >> they've been they've been the last couple of months have been quite, uh, struggle uh, especially september, october and november. there wasn't the best uh but i'll say , you know, best uh but i'll say, you know, i like to be for everyone . so i like to be for everyone. so even if the cost of living are, uh, increasing , even if the cost of living are, uh, increasing, i'm trying to keep the prices. yeah >> and is that hard for you in terms of getting keeping the price of your supplies down? >> but, you know, i'm. i'm working in my business in person, so i'm able to keep, you know, one of the, the costs. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> well, you're the boss on the shop floor, andrea. absolutely fantastic. going to throw fantastic. i'm going to throw over to the great neesom, over to the great dawn neesom, whose is next. dawn, whose show is next. dawn, i suspect that you are a serious pizza lover .

pizza lover. >> are you going to ask me what topping i like, mr tice? um mushroom, by the way, it's mushroom, by the way, it's mushroom . um, but we've got a mushroom. um, but we've got a cracking show coming up for you. we have got why carousels are cancelled. heard me, cancelled. you've heard me, right, kids? roundabouts are no longer the right thing to do. the woke army. why we don't have a defence force anymore . and a defence force anymore. and also what to do with a problem called boris johnson ? called boris johnson? >> the problem called boris johnson . why is he back on the. johnson. why is he back on the. why is he back on the agenda? >> oh, you'll have to watch the show you'll find out. i also show and you'll find out. i also know pizza topping he likes know what pizza topping he likes as well. >> come on, you haven't. >> i mean, you like mushroom. i'm not mushroom fan, dawn, i'm not a mushroom fan, dawn, but, um. >> what's wrong with mushrooms ? >> what's wrong with mushrooms? that's come on. >> oh, don't start a bit of >> oh, don't you start a bit of tomato . oh, you know, i love tomato. oh, you know, i love tomato. oh, you know, i love tomato. everything. but i think andrea's got a fantastic selection here. >> absolutely lovely. i can't wait. i'm so sad i'm not invited to actually try. you're not going to be able to enjoy it. >> dawn, a great show.

andrea. >> thank you so much for coming in. >> absolutely brilliant. best of luck. keep that. thank luck. keep up with that. thank you for, uh, for you you very much for, uh, for you for to all guests for watching to all my guests and company. next up of and for your company. next up of course, dawn neesom. i'll course, it's dawn neesom. i'll see you soon. looks like things are heating up . are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsor of weather on gb news is . weather on gb news is. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gbn news. weather forecast provided by the met office. quite a misty, murky start for some of us today, but the generally is that the theme generally is that skies will be brightening low pressure and pressure is still around and these weather fronts around at times showers. times will be bringing showers. some spells of rain, but in between those fronts there will some spells of rain, but in betelements;e fronts there will some spells of rain, but in betelements offronts there will some spells of rain, but in betelements of something will be elements of something a little sunnier and brighter. little bit sunnier and brighter. you where those showers you can see where those showers around first thing this afternoon, particularly into areas england and the areas of eastern england and the far north—east of scotland. staying very wet here. showers quite frequent across western areas scotland into northern areas of scotland into northern ireland . but some

ireland as well. but some brighter spells around at times . brighter spells around at times. so do enjoy those sunny spells where you do get the temperatures around 8 to 12 c. not for the time not doing too badly for the time of year. it will very of year. it will stay very wet across right throughout across shetland right throughout this a very breezy this evening. a very breezy night here as well. night to come here as well. showers persistent night to come here as well. shcwestern persistent night to come here as well. shcwestern of persistent night to come here as well. shcwestern of scotland, tl for western areas of scotland, actually the actually turning wintry over the higher here, even across higher ground here, even across higher ground here, even across higher of northern higher ground areas of northern ireland and northern england throughout the night as well. but in there but some clearing skies in there as and underneath those as well. and underneath those clearing skies, temperatures will more will take a little bit more of a tumble compared to some recent nights low single nights down to low single figures of us, and figures for many of us, and a patchy and some icy patchy frost and some icy stretches are possible. first thing monday thing in the morning. monday then of then turns into a day of sunshine showers. those sunshine and showers. those showers, frequent sunshine and showers. those shov heaviest frequent sunshine and showers. those shovheaviest further frequent sunshine and showers. those shov heaviest further towards nt sunshine and showers. those shov heaviest further towards the and heaviest further towards the northwest and northwest areas further east and south could stay largely dry throughout the day. a decent number sunny spells in there number of sunny spells in there and quite pleasant one. and quite a pleasant one. temperatures generally temperatures again, generally around those around 6 to 11 c. enjoy those sunnier spells where you do get them though, because cloud is looking stretch its looking like it will stretch its way the middle part way back in for the middle part of by by that warm of next week. by by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news.

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>> hello and welcome to gb news sunday. happy sunday afternoon. hope you're having a wonderful weekend. thank you for joining us this lunchtime. i'm dawn neesom and for the next two hours we're keeping you company on tv, online and on digital radio now. cracking show coming up in the first hour. leaked documents have revealed that the british army wants to relax

security checks for recruits from overseas to boost diversity and inclusion. marvellous but should we be sacrificing national security by for diversity? so stunned by that one can't get the words out? then former pm bojo says if rishi sunak wants help winning the election , all he has to do the election, all he has to do is pick up the phone and ring him. but would boris be enough to save the tories and nuclear power accounts for around a fifth of the uk's electricity generation. waste from its production, though, is used in medicine , defence, industry and medicine, defence, industry and research. but where will we store the radioactive waste? one small town in yorkshire could be used as a nuclear dumping ground . and you're not going to want this one. you're really not going to win it. miss it. the prime minister rishi sunak, is to appear exclusive on the gb news people forum. an hour long

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