joe biden said city of rafah. joe biden said that it shouldn't go ahead without a credible plan in place to protect the 1 million people seeking shelter there. it follows biden's recent comment that israel's response in gaza is, he said, over the top . is, he said, over the top. meanwhile, here in the uk, the government is also warning that there could be catastrophic consequences for civilians if an assault on rafah goes ahead. however, the israeli prime minister has told reporters today that enough of the 132 remaining hostages are alive to warrant a ground offensive live well, earlier tanks and bulldozers you can see there if you're watching on tv, were seen on operating along the israel gaza border. and that comes after at least 44 people, including several children, died yesterday . in what the yesterday. in what the palestinians claim was an israeli air strike here in the uk. the family of murdered teenager brianna ghey have today been holding a vigil to mark the first anniversary of her death . first anniversary of her death. earlier, i spoke to our north—west of england reporter,

sophie reaper, who was at that gathering. well one year on from the tragic death of brianna ghey, hundreds of people have gathered here in warrington for a vigil in her memory. >> we heard from several of brianna's friends who spoke, bringing tears to the eyes of the crowd as they remembered their friend. we also heard from their friend. we also heard from the head teacher at brianna's school. we finally heard from brianna's mother , esther, who brianna's mother, esther, who spoke emotionally and emotively about the loss of her daughter. here's what she had to say. >> brianna was an amazing, unique and joyful teenager. i will be forever thankful that i was lucky enough to spend 16 years with her. she taught me so much and gave me so much happiness and love. if there's one piece of advice that i can give to any parent, it would be to hug your children tight and never stop telling them that you love them . love them. >> in other news, 124 migrants

crossed the english channel on saturday in three small boats. that's according to new home office figures out today . the office figures out today. the latest arrivals bring the total for this year so far to just over 1500. that's down from the 2072 at this time last year. but up on the figure in 2022. apart from the latest crossings, small boats had not been intercepted since the 31st of january. the prime minister, you'll remember, has made stopping the boats a key pledge of his leadership. as the country approaches the general election . the departure general election. the departure of the royal navy aircraft carrier hms prince of wales was cancelled. this afternoon. at the last minute it was about to set sail to replace its sister ship, which was also forced to cancelits ship, which was also forced to cancel its deployment due to an issue with the propeller. the £3 billion vessel was to take over, leading the largest nato exercise since the cold war. however, despite people lining the walls of portsmouth harbour to watch the 65,000 ton warship

set sail , it to watch the 65,000 ton warship set sail, it failed to leave the jetty . and finally , the king has jetty. and finally, the king has attended church in sandringham this morning, the first time since his cancer diagnosis. this morning, the first time since his cancer diagnosis . as since his cancer diagnosis. as his majesty was seen walking alongside queen camilla this morning, that's after last night thanking the nation for their overwhelming support in his first public message since the diagnosis announcement, the monarch said such kind thoughts are of great comfort and encouragement to him . buckingham encouragement to him. buckingham palace have said that he is facing a form of cancer , but facing a form of cancer, but that it's unrelated to his recent prostate treatment . and recent prostate treatment. and for the latest stories , sign up for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. if you're watching on television or if you're listening on radio, go to gbnews.com forward slash alerts . the royal society of alerts. the royal society of literature fails to defend free speech. >> tucker carlson interviews vladimir putin, and we ask that

age old question should airlines weigh their plumper passengers? this is free speech. nation . this is free speech. nation. welcome to free speech nation with me andrew doyle. this is a show where we take a look at culture, current affairs and politics. and of course, we're going have latest from going to have the latest from those culture warriors. those lovable culture warriors. you ones i mean, you know, the ones i mean, activist every persuasion activist of every persuasion who somehow that throwing activist of every persuasion who someh(and that throwing activist of every persuasion who someh(and lying that throwing activist of every persuasion who someh(and lying about hrowing activist of every persuasion who someh(and lying about peoplei insults and lying about people is going to persuade them to change minds . well, good change their minds. well, good luck anyway, coming luck with that. anyway, coming up the show tonight, up on the show tonight, professor will be to professor joe phoenix will be to here tell us about the significance of success a significance of her success in a gender discrimination gender critical discrimination case the open case against the open university. and how would a potential labour labour government handle the conflict between women's rights and the demands of trans activists? well, joan smith will be here to discuss that and shahrar ali will be here to tell us about how a court found that he was discriminated against the discriminated against by the green gender

green party over his gender critical beliefs and, of course, myself and my fantastic panel will answering questions will be here answering questions from this rather studio from this rather lovely studio audience. my comedian guests audience. and my comedian guests this evening are bruce devlin and josh howie .josh howie. and josh howie. josh howie. de—man will you be filming some kind of major series in the dominican republic ? dominican republic? >> wow. yeah, the guys who made narcos and, uh, i was playing an american. >> oh, yeah. and you've got the accent down pat, right? yeah, yeah , that's that's why you got yeah, that's that's why you got the role. the big bucks. because of that kind of thing. what about you been about you? what have you been doing bruce? doing this week, bruce? >> i've been filming a reboot to take scotland. take the high road in scotland. >> glad you're doing >> well, i'm glad you're doing that. yes, i think about that. yes, i think it's about time. yeah, absolutely. well, look, to our look, let's go straight to our audience are audience because they are itching questions. itching to ask some questions. our from our first one comes from richard. richard. richard. hi richard. >> andrew. >> hi, andrew. >> hi, andrew. >> despite having an activist president , what do you >> despite having an activist president, what do you think >> despite having an activist president , what do you think the president, what do you think the royal society literature royal society of literature doesn't do enough defend free speech? >> yeah, this is a really interesting one. uh, the royal society of literature, there was a week in the times, a piece this week in the times,

i believe it was, which talked about uh, about how a number of, uh, fellows the society fellows of the royal society of literature former literature and also former presidents were questioning whether is really whether the charity is really backing freedom of expression. uh and actually, marina warner, who's a former president, uh, actually said explicitly she they didn't want to put out a statement to the statement when it came to the attack salman rushdie because attack on salman rushdie because they want to cause they didn't want to cause offence. with the offence. similarly, with the internet on on kate clanchy internet pile on on kate clanchy the poet kate clanchy, who wrote a brilliant piece, by way, a brilliant piece, by the way, about her her book was about how her her book was accused of racism and ableism , accused of racism and ableism, when of course, wasn't the when of course, that wasn't the case. uh, this kind of thing is i think we've got to get to the gnps i think we've got to get to the grips this, um, uh, the grips of this, um, uh, the current president of royal current president of the royal society literature is society of literature is bernardine evaristo, wrote in the guardian this week. finally to the matter of freedom of speech, there's question speech, there's no question that the believe the current leadership believe in this. however, there's always a but isn't there? the society has a remit be a voice for has a remit to be a voice for literature and not to present itself as the voice of its 700 fellows. surely a dangerous and untenable concept. it cannot take writers ,

take sides in writers, controversies and issues, but must remain impartial. and salman rushdie brilliantly responded on twitter , saying responded on twitter, saying just wondering if the royal society of literature is impartial about attempted murder, asking for a friend? yes josh, i think salman rushdie nailed it there. really? >> yeah. he i mean, taking sides against islamic or any form of extremism and violence. it's totally insane. >> i mean, you know, this islamist extremist stabbed him multiple times, almost killed him, hospitalised him for writing a book. yeah if the royal society of literature can't make a statement about that, what are they for? good >> well, exactly what are they good for? and they're also there to celebrate excellence. and my understanding have to have traditionally you have to have written two seminal books. yes um, so you're in there. uh thank you very much. and um, they're not returning my calls for submissions. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and, uh, yeah. so but now they're opening that up, and you don't even have return don't even have to return a book. read one thing, book. or you can read one thing, and doesn't be

and that doesn't have to be seminal. it'sjust if and that doesn't have to be seminal. it's just if you're nominated. yeah. it's not nominated. yeah. so it's not it's meet remit it's failing to meet that remit of celebrating within of celebrating excellence within literature regardless of diversity. that shouldn't m atter. >> matter. >> and what about, uh, evaristo's response? the idea that we have to remain impartial? >> no, no, i mean, it's cowardice. absolute cowardice. it's absolute cowardice. it's absolute cowardice . and you if cowardice. and if you can't, if these institutions that represent in this case literature can't take the most bafic literature can't take the most basic moral stance . yeah. then, basic moral stance. yeah. then, as you say , what are they good as you say, what are they good for? but worse than that, they're actively doing harm. >> what do you think about that? do you think that's fair? >> i idea that they >> i have no idea that they existed be perfectly honest existed to be perfectly honest with so. well, with you. so. oh, well, then you're perhaps place to you're not perhaps best place to come this issue, are you? come to this issue, are you? >> i don't really read everyone on informed. yes, on this show is informed. yes, everyone about everyone is informed about something. ? yes. something. about something? yes. well, you your areas of well, you have your areas of expertise. get me wrong. expertise. don't get me wrong. >> no, that's true. actually but i've a book. no, i've not written a book. no, i couldn't bothered. is it couldn't be bothered. is it a long process? >> a process. it >> it is a long process. it takes a while. >> okay. you a lot >> okay. did you cry a lot dunng during it? >> uh, it during it? >> uh, during it? >>un >> uh, well, it was. it was arduous. it absolutely was. arduous. yes, it absolutely was. yeah. don't bruce, yeah. but don't worry, bruce, we will to favourite

will come to your favourite topics a correct topics in a moment. correct which b sides of which is what the b sides of danny minogue. that kind of thing. >> want the grinder question. >> i want the grinder question. >> i want the grinder question. >> is >> the grinder question is coming up. don't worry. okay. let's go to another question now from stephen. stephen. hi, stephen. >> hello. should tucker carlson have interviewed vladimir putin? >> this is fascinating. isn't it? this went absolutely it? and this went absolutely everywhere. i was on headliners while was going while this interview was going out. viewing figures out. so, uh, our viewing figures dipped bit. um, but dipped a little bit. um, but this is of people are this is lots of people are saying shouldn't saying tucker carlson shouldn't have interviewed putin have interviewed vladimir putin because , you know, he's a tyrant because, you know, he's a tyrant . uh, but i'm not so sure. what do you make of this? what do you think is the. >> i think he should. i think people open to listen people should be open to listen to that's what free to anybody. that's what free speech all about. to anybody. that's what free spevery all about. to anybody. that's what free spevery interesting. okay. well >> very interesting. okay. well i wonder, do we have a clip of this it might be good this if we do, it might be good to, to set that one up. um, but. well, ask josh first what well, let's ask josh first what he makes because i think he makes of this because i think we all agree vladimir putin we can all agree vladimir putin is nicest of fellows. is not the nicest of fellows. yes. should be interviewed or yes. should he be interviewed or not? should be not? yeah. he should be interviewed, but there's interviewed, but but there's a difference being difference between being interviewed as in being asked tough questions. >> yes, yes. and then just being able off and sprout

able to rattle off and sprout propaganda for two hours not propaganda for two hours and not be challenged. propaganda for two hours and not be challethisi. propaganda for two hours and not be challethis is it, bruce. >> well, this is it, bruce. i mean, do you remember back in the when they to the day when they used to allow gerry bbc, so long gerry adams on the bbc, so long as they dubbed his voice with an actor? i don't know as they dubbed his voice with an actorwhat i don't know as they dubbed his voice with an actorwhat the i don't know as they dubbed his voice with an actorwhat the point1't know as they dubbed his voice with an actorwhat the point was now how. what the point was that. i mean, that was just funny to me when they did that. >> no, that was ridiculous. i can't think if it can't help but think if it wasn't tucker, they should have got because got lorraine kelly in because i think genuinely, genuinely and hear out. she leave no hear me out. she would leave no stone actually, andrew stone unturned. actually, andrew neil would have been better. >> yes, i think andrew neil rather than lorraine. god love her. know if she her. um, i don't know if she does.i her. um, i don't know if she does . i know her. um, i don't know if she does. i know she her. um, i don't know if she does . i know she would does. i don't know if she would have him as much as. have grilled him as much as. >> no, i she would have >> no, i think she would have really? yeah. >> think, i mean, who >> but do you think, i mean, who saw yeah, but about his outfit. >> no no no no no no no no no no >> n0 [10 [10 [10 [10 [10 [10 [10 [10 [10 [10 >> n0 110 110 110 110 110 110 110 110 110 110 ho. [10 110. >> no no. >> you think i don't know if >> do you think i don't know if you saw anything. >> do you think i don't know if youyeah.anything. >> do you think i don't know if youyeah. welling. >> do you think i don't know if youyeah. well ig. >> do you think i don't know if youyeah. well i gave up halfway >> yeah. well i gave up halfway through russia. through the history of russia. >> you there was not >> so do you think there was not enough pushback, suppose. enough pushback, i suppose. yeah, enough pushback, i suppose. yaneah. is issue. >> yeah. and that is my issue. and there questions as to and there are questions as to his tucker's personal politics in and the in that way. and really, the point isn't. and point of a journalist isn't. and here you're going to here you are, you're going to interview and i'm interview people later, and i'm sure to

sure that you're going to interview people agree interview people that you agree with. but i bet you're going to ask some questions ask them some questions that give counter—narrative. ask them some questions that give of»unter—narrative. ask them some questions that give of course.1arrative. ask them some questions that give of course. andtive. ask them some questions that give of course. and the >> yes, of course. and the trouble inviting trouble is, i'm always inviting people who i don't people on this show who i don't agree with, but they just refuse to get the to appear so i don't get the opportunity my kind of, opportunity to do my kind of, you know, interrogate kind of jeremy which jeremy paxman thing, which i really i want really want to do. i want to i want to ask politician the want to ask a politician the same 18 times. okay. no same question 18 times. okay. no answer. i want. answer. that's what i want. right? they agree to right? but they won't agree to appean right? but they won't agree to appear. you know why? because they're intimidated, bruce. because feel you're because that's no, i feel you're being intimidating to me. >> scary >> and i don't like that scary look in your you have to look in your eyes. you have to back off. >> all right, will back off. >> all right, i will back off. bruce, for that. oh, bruce, i apologise for that. oh, sorry. too much sorry. i've had too much ovaltine. anyway question ovaltine. anyway next question from alan. now, where's alan? hi, so what's the prime hi, alan. so what's the prime minister? hi, alan. so what's the prime mirinsensitive . uh, when he >> insensitive. uh, when he attacked keir starmer over his gender and biological, uh, issues, i know, i know what you're talking about here. >> this this this happened this earlier this week, and it was in prime minister's question time. i yeah. it was. i think it was. yeah. it was. and, know, and it's quite and, you know, and it's quite interesting here because obviously taking obviously sunak was taking starmer a number of

starmer to task for a number of u—turns and was giving a number of examples of where starmer has u—turned on various things. and one of the things he mentioned was the fact that starmer has u—turned knowing what a woman u—turned on knowing what a woman is, which like so. is, which is true. like so. starmer has u—turned that. is, which is true. like so. starbut has u—turned that. is, which is true. like so. starbut starmer:urned that. is, which is true. like so. starbut starmer then! that. is, which is true. like so. starbut starmer then said, hat. is, which is true. like so. starbut starmer then said, oh, uh, but starmer then said, oh, this is outrageous because of the week where the killers of brianna ghey were convicted and tried to make this connection between , i have to say, one of between, i have to say, one of the most horrific murder that i've in recent years, i've heard of in recent years, just absolutely horrible. but but i mean, what do you think alan did? was is starmer just avoiding questions in a quite unpleasant way? there >> no, he had his own agenda. i think . and i think he well think. and i think he well misread the audience. it's really not fair that he actually mentioned who was in the audience there. no no, it's wrong on that side. but but you know, gender ideology is something which we talk about too much . it shouldn't be too much. it shouldn't be mentioned so often in parliament. you know, it's really tragic what happened to that of course. that poor kid. yeah. of course. but, know, this is one

but, uh, you know, this is one of worst we've had of the worst imports we've had from as well esg from america for as well as esg dye race theory. yeah. dye critical race theory. yeah. you the problem is, alan, you know, the problem is, alan, if talk about it, it if we don't talk about it, it will take hold even further and cause problems. cause even more problems. >> issue. know, >> that's the issue. you know, i mean, i think and with this, i mean, i think and with this, i mean, i think i don't what mean, i think i don't know what you this, it you think about this, josh, it felt starmer felt like i think starmer misjudged, impression misjudged, but the impression was that looked like he was was that it looked like he was weaponizing the death of this poor >> 100. >> 100. >> yeah, maybe . but not i'm >> yeah, but maybe. but not i'm not saying that was the intention, how looked. >> i believe that was >> no, i believe that that was the intention. varne and the intention. varne uh, and i think was wrong, and i think think he was wrong, and i think he for it. he came off worse for it. >> and saying this as >> and you're saying this as a starmer fan, at least starmer fan, or at least a labour fan, more of a labour fan than tories. >> yeah. and in some and >> yeah. and, and in some and fan of starmer for some things. but think that but this i think that he absolutely up absolutely showed himself up here shame and here and it's a real shame and the fact that, that you know it was cheap also. but but necessary for sunak to point out and it wasn't flip flopping that he's done in this case in terms of what if you cannot define what a woman is, you're not fit to run the country. and it's not

that he flip flopped. it's just he sort of went, oh, 90% and now it's 99.9. no, it's 100% of it's 99.9. no, it's100% of women don't have a penis. it's 99.9. no, it's100% of women don't have a penis . yeah. women don't have a penis. yeah. and until you can say that clearly as a fact, you shouldn't be running this country. >> okay. well, well let's look at the clip. i think we've got that lined up . yeah . early of that lined up. yeah. early of all of all the work of all the weeks to say that when brianna ghey mother is in this chamber, she shame parading as a man of integrity when he's got absolutely no responsibility , he absolutely. >> yeah . of all. >> yeah. of all. >> yeah. of all. >> and would you like to give people the benefit of the doubt, bruce? is it not possible that he just missed judged that? or maybe thought sunak maybe he genuinely thought sunak knew parents of this knew that the parents of this kid were in room with sunak kid were in the room with sunak not that mother not have known that the mother was no, neither do i. i just,

>> no, no, neither do i. ijust, i didn't i mean, i totally understand what you're saying . i understand what you're saying. i just thought if sunak did know that, bring up at all? that, why bring that up at all? and yeah, i agree. >> i mean, i don't think look, the thing is, what i would say, bruce, is if sunak had even mentioned that case in relation to this or deliberately invoked it, would been the first it, i would have been the first to say, that's appalling. what are you what you doing? are you what are you doing? i just see any evidence for just don't see any evidence for that don't it's that here. i don't think it's related. yeah. no, it's shame that here. i don't think it's relstarmer|h. no, it's shame that here. i don't think it's relstarmer forno, it's shame that here. i don't think it's rel starmer for bringing shame that here. i don't think it's rel starmer for bringing it1ame that here. i don't think it's relstarmer for bringing it in.1e on starmer for bringing it in. >> an opportunity, but >> he saw an opportunity, but starmer left himself open by saying first place, saying that in the first place, of going of course, uh, starmer is going to here starmer and to attack here and starmer and sunak , they're sunak starmer, whoever, they're all the same. too many asses. yeah very confusing. okay. i don't even know who woman don't even know who a woman is, let a starmer no no. let alone a starmer is. no no. >> well, that's why $0.99, isn't it. okay . >> okay. >> okay. >> let's go to the question from annie. now uh, hi, annie. >> minister able to ban protest. >> minister able to ban protest. >> interesting. we've had a conversation about this quite a lot on this show. um, this was the former home secretary, suella braverman. she's saying that, uh, ministers should be given power protests

given the power to ban protests outright . uh, now, she sort of outright. uh, now, she sort of made some overtures about this in the past. um uh, bruce, what do you think about it? i mean, i'm of view. uh that. no, i'm of the view. uh that. no, it's just a no. there's no way, ho. 110. >> no. >> whether you agree, i mean, you either have to have a blanket ban on all protests , but blanket ban on all protests, but you can't, i don't think pick and choose . i think, know, and choose. i think, you know, it a blanket ban on all it isn't a blanket ban on all protest kind of authoritarian. well, any problem well, i don't have any problem with being authoritarian. with people being authoritarian. i'm authoritarian in my i'm quite authoritarian in my private are? i heard that, yes. >> you are? i heard that, yes. >> you are? i heard that, yes. >> no, no, no, but but what i mean, genuinely is you can't pick and choose what you're going you it's just so going to. you know, it's just so interesting because, um, you know, met braverman in know, i've met braverman in a personal know, i've met braverman in a personawas know, i've met braverman in a persona was very, very friendly know, i've met braverman in a persnice.'as very, very friendly know, i've met braverman in a pers nice. but ery, very friendly know, i've met braverman in a pers nice. but this very friendly know, i've met braverman in a persnice. but this strikesendly know, i've met braverman in a persnice. but this strikes me.y know, i've met braverman in a persnice. but this strikes me as and nice. but this strikes me as quite disturbing, actually, it is but like all the issues that >> but like all the issues that we talk about, we're talking about rights here. about different rights here. so there's protest. there's the right for protest. and dangerous and it's very dangerous to threaten way. but threaten that in any way. but then is the right for then there is the right for jewish to be able to go jewish people to be able to go into central london today , where into central london today, where i there the, uh, not, i believe there the, uh, not, not natural history museum at the uh oh, well, it's every

weekend, every weekend. but this weekend, every weekend. but this weekend they're they're protesting a gallery. like protesting a gallery. it's like i unsafe to take i would feel unsafe to take my children out there, but what i would is the laws, as they would say is the laws, as they are , are enough and they're not are, are enough and they're not being enforced. and you're seeing actual terrorist flag eggs being being paraded around this country. >> that's a separate problem. see my view is that what you have to do is actually deal with and law. when people and apply the law. when people are violence are calling for violence or, you know, hizb ut—tahrir were know, as hizb ut—tahrir were shouting jihad and then shouting about jihad and then letting it go and the police are doing nothing. yeah. >> and it wasn't that the police are people where are gaslighting people where they're look this they're going, hey, look at this islamic are islamic flag and the police are going, were told the going, no, we were told by the by person the flag, by the person who had the flag, it islam. and then it it wasn't islam. and then it turns it was turns out it was from a proscribed organisation. >> couldn't more. >> couldn't agree more. my, my issue is ban, you know, issue is if you ban, you know, the that we pay living the price that we pay for living in is that people in a free society is that people are to protest when are going to protest when we just don't agree. fundamentally with for. and with what they stand for. and i think get of that, think if we get rid of that, it's to bite. it's going to bite. >> all know i agree with you, but like i say, i feel unsafe going kids into town on going with my kids into town on a my rights.

a saturday and that's my rights. yeah, sure. >> but similarly, i >> but but but similarly, i would going into would feel unsafe going into a parade there are the parade where there are the progress pride flags being flown, see very flown, which i see as a very much anti—gay symbol. but much an anti—gay symbol. but i don't people be don't want those people to be stopped them stopped protesting. i want them to to that. to be able to do that. >> i think it's i get what you're um, at least you're saying. um, but at least they do is enforce the they could do is enforce the laws they have them and laws as they have them now. and they're interesting. they're not very interesting. >> well, we're >> okay, well, look, we're obviously be returning obviously going to be returning to topics because to these these topics because these are going on and but these are going on and on. but look on speech nation. look next on free speech nation. i'm thrilled that i'm absolutely thrilled that professor joe phoenix is going to to us her to be here to tell us about her landmark legal in a gender landmark legal win in a gender critical discrimination case against the open university. please anywhere

people on the hard left. hated tony blair because he wasn't left enough. but tony blair had three times in . office three times in. office >> hi rishi here as prime minister. i'm focussed on delivering on your priorities , delivering on your priorities, so i'll be on the road to join gb news for a special people's forum on monday the 12th of february, where i'll be taking questions from a live audience about the issues that really matter to you the economy,

immigration, the nhs. see you there . there. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. >> towards the end of last month , an employment tribunal found that criminology professor joe phoenix was forced to quit her job at the open university because it failed to protect her from harassment over her gender critical beliefs. a ruled critical beliefs. a judge ruled that open university had that the open university had failed to support joe phoenix because of a fear of being seen to support gender critical beliefs and fear of the pro gender identity section of the university . anti joe phoenix university. anti joe phoenix started working at the university in 2013 and hoped to retire there, but quit in 2021 due to bullying and harassment . due to bullying and harassment. and i'm delighted to say that joe phoenix joins me now. welcome to the show . welcome to the show. >> well, i should say welcome back to the show, because we've been here before, haven't we? >> we have indeed . >> we have indeed. >> we have indeed. >> and now, of course, the last

time spoke, you explained time we spoke, you explained what this. a lot what happened in this. but a lot of people watching may not know. so background to so what was the background to thisuh, it's into it's a story in >> uh, it's into it's a story in two parts. um, back in 2018, thereabouts uh, 2019, i gave a talk to women's place uk on why i felt that transgender individuals , as male bodied individuals, as male bodied people who identify as trans, shouldn't be in a female prison, and that trans women are not women. um that kicked off a kind of campaign. if you like, some actions of direct discrimination within my own department. at one point i got told i wasn't allowed to talk about my research. and then two, two years later in the summer of 2021, myself , chief doctor john 2021, myself, chief doctor john pike and a few others, hannah marston at the university started the open university gender critical research network. very simple idea . just network. very simple idea. just a group of academics getting together to talk about how, where, why and um, you know, in

what way sex matters. um uh, as soon as we did that , uh, a soon as we did that, uh, a complete storm of harassment was unleashed. um uh, i was the, well, myself and the other colleagues in the gcn were subject to a targeted campaign of harassment. this involved open letters , uh, a petition . it open letters, uh, a petition. it ended up with 368 of my fellow employees from the university , employees from the university, me signing a petition asking for the gcn to be dis affiliated. now that means for us not to do our research and smearing you as transphobic and hateful and bigoted and. yeah, and the whole lot and these were phenomenal states agents. joe phoenix is a terf. uh gender critical feminism is transphobic. uh, you know, there was one open letter that was placed on the ou website that said that we were responsible for or we were contributing to a climate in which trans people were being murdered and trans refugees were

being burned in their beds. >> unbelievable stuff. and of course , the open university. course, the open university. i mean, people are chuckling because it's so unbelievable that anyone think of that anyone could think that of you . but the open university you. but the open university were that they failed were found that they had failed to you harassment . to protect you from harassment. yes. but their initial reaction after the verdict wasn't great, wasno , it really, really wasn't. >> no, it really, really wasn't. >> no, it really, really wasn't. >> on the day the verdict >> so on the day the verdict came out, it was a monday. came out around in afternoon out around 2:00 in the afternoon . tweeted about it being . um, i tweeted about it being successful about 4:00 by 5:00, the vice chancellor of the open university put out a statement that said that they were disappointed ed in the outcome that they were considering appealing and that they were concerned for the welfare of myself and the other 18 witnesses that the ou called against me. >> so the people who were involved in your harassment, in other words . okay, but that to other words. okay, but that to be fair, that was he went back on that, right? >> he did by friday, the public statement was an unreserved apology to me. >> and a statement that they had not quite understood. the law on

academic freedom. >> okay. well you know, that's why i think this case is so significant because i think it's obviously fantastic news for you, also academic you, but also for academic freedom broadly . yeah. one freedom more broadly. yeah. one thing i to ask you is one thing i wanted to ask you is one of the aspects of the judge, the judge's the written judge's statement, the written statement thought statement which i thought was amazing, was that the judge effectively a of effectively said that a lot of the witnesses who were who were academics had not been rigorous had there was implication , had there was an implication, they had been truthful. you they had not been truthful. you know, idea that they were know, this idea that they were there was an expectation. why why behave why can't academics behave better the better was basically what the judge was saying. >> now famous >> the famous, the now famous paragraph 22 of the judgement in which the judge and the panel said that they were aware they were interviewing people who were interviewing people who were methodology were trained in the methodology of argument. but of evidence and argument. but that many of the eu witnesses fell short of that standard. wow. right but and you know, you say about lying, i have never read a judgement before that has so many coded words for not telling the truth . telling the truth. >> yes, it's quite something ,

>> yes, it's quite something, isn't it? yeah. >> i've never seen anything like it. >> now, i think this , this case >> now, i think this, this case could be particularly significant as well, because the go thing is for people to say go to thing is for people to say anyone with gender critical views, anyone believes that views, anyone who believes that sex and that sex is immutable and that it matters it comes the matters when it comes to the preservation rights preservation of women's rights and those and gay rights, that those people they're people are hateful. they're terfs, they're transphobes . but terfs, they're transphobes. but the judge said that in now, in your case, that's a slur. for the first time i've seen this. yes. >> yeah. and it's very, very important because the argument that my harassers constantly made was that my gender critical statements, if you like , were statements, if you like, were transphobic and harmful . statements, if you like, were transphobic and harmful. um, and as i say , everything that i had as i say, everything that i had done, the judges had looked at or the panel had looked at, they decided nothing. i had said could be even remotely considered offensive . um, and considered offensive. um, and they determined in one of the paragraphs that the use of the terms transphobic or terf was designed a as an insult. but more than anything else, to shut debate down. >> yeah, because you've never expressed any animosity towards

trans identifying people at all. i mean, this is no. >> and in fact, i've been at pains and i think i was at pains the first time i came here to say i support trans rights, but they've just ignored that. >> i mean, that is quite >> yeah, i mean, that is quite incredible, maybe incredible, isn't it? so maybe incredible, isn't it? so maybe in stop throwing in future they'll stop throwing the or the word transphobic around or i mean , actually i'd like to i'd mean, actually i'd like to i'd really like to say yes. >> yes , that's an outcome. yes. >> yes, that's an outcome. yes. hurrah! but no , no. because even hurrah! but no, no. because even within days of the judgement , within days of the judgement, uh, people on twitter who are academics, who read the judgement were still using that terms and are still using that time as a derogatory pejorative. terms >> what's going on with academics? i don't understand why some of the most fierce debates i've had with people onune debates i've had with people online where they're the most truculent, where they're behaving like teenagers, they're professors of sociology in various departments, know various departments, you know what's um, i think , i what's going on? um, i think, i mean, you know, if i was being unrwa i'd say that unrwa charitable, i'd say that they have their academic they have left their academic figour in they have left their academic rigour in the service of politics. >> um, if i was being uncharitable , i might say it in

uncharitable, i might say it in a different way. if i'm being less than uncharitable , i'll. less than uncharitable, i'll. i'd say they're getting confused i >> right. okay. >> right. okay. >> about what? their job is. >> about what? their job is. >> but hopefully this kind of judgement will help to set them straight . but maybe not, because straight. but maybe not, because one things i think one of the things that i think i'd like to ask you about is there were accusations that the open university, just open university, they were just being cowards, not necessarily that they didn't know that you were harassed , but that were being harassed, but that they were too afraid to they they were too afraid to prevent it from happening. >> it an >> yeah. it wasn't an accusation. closing accusation. in the closing summation of ben cooper, kc, who represented me, he tried to help the panel understand that what the panel understand that what the university was suffering from cowardice from was institutional cowardice . now, the judges recognised or the judge and the panel recognised that. and in the judgement, they is judgement, what they said is where have organisation where you have an organisation where you have an organisation where the dominant view is a gender affirming one failure to make simple statements like gender critical beliefs are protected , um, leaves people protected, um, leaves people such as myself open to harassment , such as myself open to harassment, and the judge and the panel were quite clear. the university failed to act through

fear . fear. >> do you think that you see something that astonishes me is the way that people just jump to transphobe or bigot or something like that? do you that had like that? do you think that had they you and said, they approached you and said, you we're sure about you know, we're not sure about some let's have a some of your views, let's have a conversation that. all conversation on that. all of this have been resolved this could have been resolved very yeah. very quickly. yeah. >> n very quickly. yeah. >> i could >> i mean, you know, i could i could on and in fact, you could go on and in fact, you know, in its in the judgement one harassers, i had one of my harassers, i had reached out to that individual on several times, but i was rebuffed. and, you know, it was it was quite clear again, from the judgement and to me at the time, yes, that there was no desire to have a discussion because my views were just seen as heterodox . as heterodox. >> know, this took >> but, you know, this took a great toll on your mental health and your well—being. and i understand all of that. and do you think these people understand are understand that what they are doing a of bullying? doing is a form of bullying? i mean, why can not express mean, why can they not express any empathy towards any kind of empathy towards their targets? >> i don't know, was, >> i don't know, and that was, you sitting in that you know, sitting in that courtroom three weeks courtroom for three weeks listening people listening to various people equivocate, less than equivocate, tell less than truths and try and justify their

behaviour . a truths and try and justify their behaviour. a lot of what they were saying was , but those views were saying was, but those views cause harm . but when pressed, cause harm. but when pressed, well, what harm? where's the evidence? yes there was nothing and i don't know now even if they read the judgement, if they realise that what they're doing is form bullying, can is a form of bullying, can i just come back to something? one of the fascinating things of the really fascinating things about people are about my judgement is people are saying, this is a great win for academic i actually academic freedom. i actually disagree what? it's a great win for is for universities to take seriously their policies on social media, on on bullying and harassment, because if the university had intervened at various points when i asked them to , we wouldn't actually be to, we wouldn't actually be here. but they failed to do anything about the bullying and they just said simply, well, an academic said it. therefore it's academic said it. therefore it's academic freedom. >> so i want to ask you now, you're no longer with the open university, obviously, but you are now with reading. i am university. how have reacted? >> marvellously . uh, within >> marvellously. uh, within hours the judgement coming

hours of the judgement coming back, i must have had 40. congratulations ones, including back, i must have had 40. cong people)ns ones, including back, i must have had 40. cong people in. ones, including back, i must have had 40. cong people in in1es, including back, i must have had 40. cong people in in higher luding back, i must have had 40. cong people in in higher offices from people in in higher offices in the university. but i just want to end on a nice little story on friday i was teaching a group of third year law students and psychology students on a criminology course. there are about maybe 100 students in the room . um, as i walked in, many room. um, as i walked in, many of the students congratulated me at the end of the lecture. i had 2030 students who stayed behind and to talk to me about the judgement , and to talk to me about the judgement, and one of them actually said, i heard you on women's hour. i really was moved by it. but more than anything else, you having this judgement makes me feel safer to voice my opinions in university. >> that's fantastic. well, congratulations joe phoenix, and thanks for joining me today and next up on free speech nation. >> we've got our lovely studio audience here. >> so we might as well make the most of they're going to most of them. they're going to have some more questions for myself my comedian myself and my comedian

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diverse backgrounds? >> certainly not this this woke agenda? uh, as you said, it's weakened. the police when . weakened. the police when. martin bashir fryston commission. >> now, i've got this wonderful panel here. well, i say wonderful. uh their friends, bruce devlin and josh howie . and bruce devlin and josh howie. and we're going to take some more questions audience. questions from the audience. and our is omalu our first question is from omalu . omalu . hi. omalu >> is, uh, diversity more important in the army than safety ? safety? >> it's diversity more important than safety. well, the army has. i mean, actually , this was i mean, actually, this was a story this week in the telegraph. the army is trying to relax their security checks because they to boost because they want to boost diversity and inclusion . uh, diversity and inclusion. uh, well, intention . josh, i mean, i well, intention. josh, i mean, i suppose they want, but then isn't there a saying about good intentions? i think there might be. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> you get taken over by china. yeah so, yeah, this is for people who weren't , uh, people who weren't, uh, naturalised citizens . right. and naturalised citizens. right. and the idea is that they're saying

that it's taking too long to do the security checks for people who've lived, not lived here longer than five years. but there similar where, there was a similar thing where, uh, there's actually a big waiting list of people trying to get yes. and get into the army. yes. and they're that it's taking they're saying that it's taking too for them check too long for them to check people's tattoos and various other physical ailments. so this is a slightly different . so is a slightly different. so there recruitment crisis. there is a recruitment crisis. they could let people in they could let those people in and it down. right. and shorten it down. right. because get lose because people then get lose interest. but at the same time of you have to focus on of course you have to focus on security. i would have thought with that's quite. with the army that's quite. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> this specifically for >> and this is specifically for like officer class, right. like the officer class, right. >> look it is >> so look but it is a recruitment issue. i no recruitment issue. i mean, no one's the army. let's be honest. >> well, no, but that's the point. other story that point. and this other story that was covered a weeks ago, was covered a few weeks ago, people join people are trying to join the army, but that part of the process, the physical part of the plus the process, is taking six plus months, people to months, and then people have to get move on with their lives. >> you know the solution >> you know what the solution is, conscription is, josh, please. conscription no, mean, why not? no, i mean, why not? >> i mean, i think there's something i'd something to it. i think if i'd have forced into the army have been forced into the army at age of 18, i would be far at the age of 18, i would be far more manly. i i think

more manly. and i think i think would, probably not. would, you know, probably not. >> no, i don't think so at all. it probably would have made things honest. things worse, to be honest. yeah >> you have been >> i think you would have been in court shoes and in fatigues and court shoes and things and clutch. things like that. and a clutch. >> the other hand, >> yes, but on the other hand, you people would i think you know, people would i think people in think twice people in power think twice about sending soldiers into conflict might be conflict if one of them might be related to them, if it's their own offspring, you know, maybe there's i know, conscription. i don't know, i don't they just don't know because they just recruit to do the checks. >> well, probably just >> well, probably they just do. >> well, probably they just do. >> that solved just great. >> that solved just great. >> bruce has always got the answers. let's get another answers. okay, let's get another question answers. okay, let's get another questicjohn. should >> hi, john. yeah. should airlines be weighing passengers now? john john, can i ask you about this? >> because i know this is thin air, right? this is a finnish air, right? this is a finnish air thing. there. air, right? this is a finnish airthing. there. do air, right? this is a finnish air thing. there. do you air thing. and there. do you think to weigh think it's offensive to weigh a passenger, that the weight passenger, given that the weight of a passenger can affect how the flight basically goes? >> apart from >> yeah. i mean, apart from there's an unfairness thing , if there's an unfairness thing, if there's an unfairness thing, if the lighter passengers are paying the lighter passengers are paying the same price as the heavier passenger, there's also the has to work out the the pilot has to work out the centre of gravity of plane. centre of gravity of the plane. so important. yeah. so it's quite important. yeah. >> hear apparently i didn't

>> so i hear apparently i didn't know but apparently know this, but apparently if everyone one of the everyone runs to one side of the plane during a flight, it can cause it spin. do that, cause it to spin. don't do that, by way, so that no, but but by the way, so that no, but but listen, some listen, giving al—qaeda some ideas listen, giving al—qaeda some ideiterrible. listen, giving al—qaeda some ideithey'dz. to book out the >> they'd have to book out the whole though. who's whole flight, though. who's going do that? bruce, tell going to do that? bruce, tell me what this, what you think about this, because if because is it offensive if someone said to you, we're gonna have weigh to check how have to weigh you to check how much, how that much, you check how much that you! love the way you came to >> i love the way you came to me first. really kind. um, first. that's really kind. um, no, you about no, because if you think about it, have to have your bags it, you have to have your bags weighed. you do? don't you? so. and commodity the and you're a commodity on the plane. it could plane. i think the way it could be done, know, you just say, be done, you know, you just say, come on, big teletubby on come on, you big teletubby on the think you might the scales. i think you might have go into an ante room or the scales. i think you might h.prayergo into an ante room or the scales. i think you might h.prayergo inthm,ante room or the scales. i think you might h.prayergo inthm, you room or the scales. i think you might h.prayergo intc um, you could or a prayer room. um, you could maybe up some doughnuts maybe line up some doughnuts and go. you. uh you're not go. not for you. uh you're not allowed no, think it's allowed to, but no, i think it's allowed to, but no, i think it's all right. it's just the way that it's done. >> it's fine. i was in finland. >> that's irony. yeah. it's >> that's the irony. yeah. it's thin air. >> i was in finland >> but i was in finland recently. strike me as very recently. they strike me as very pragmatic race. and, you pragmatic as a race. and, you know, maybe this another know, maybe this is just another form of that pragmatism. on the other you know, i mean, other hand, you know, i mean, i get you know, some

get the debate, you know, some people particular people say, you know, particular in people in america where you have people who large that they take who are so large that they take up seats and think up three seats and you think that's not really fair for the person getting crushed to death. >> and seats are getting >> and as the seats are getting smaller as well. smaller and smaller as well. so, yeah, it's fair, uh, yeah, when it's not fair, uh, and, be a good way and, but it could be a good way of like giving somebody of like giving code to somebody that, put on a bit of that, that they put on a bit of weight. oh yeah. over christmas. it's we should take it's like maybe we should take a trip finland. trip to finland. >> actually, that's >> that's, uh, actually, that's a way. >> that's, uh, actually, that's a yeah. way. >> that's, uh, actually, that's a yeah. to way. >> that's, uh, actually, that's a yeah. to approach the problem >> yeah. to approach the problem of weight gain what they of weight gain or what they could the trolley comes could do when the trolley comes round nothing for you, round to say nothing for you, but target weight, but the person at target weight, they whatever . they can have whatever. >> i think that's the solution. yeah, bruce is full of yeah, yeah. bruce is full of ideas tonight. >> it's amazing. should >> it's amazing. you should go on dragon's den. let's get a question from steve. >> hi, steve. hello, andrew. >> hi, steve. hello, andrew. >> hello, panel. >> hello, panel. >> very close to >> um, subject very close to my heart grown become heart. um, has grown to become a homophobic . homophobic. >> has become homophobic ? >> has grindr become homophobic? um, well, this sounds mad. if you don't know what grindr is, it's the app that you get on your phone where gay people can locate to the locate other gay people to the nearest using nearest foot. um, using technology and satellite technology. it's the sort of thing jack bauer might have

thing that jack bauer might have if was looking for gay sex if he was looking for gay sex anyway. so, um. but but what they have are filters, so you can filter by age and grindr is now saying that you can't filter out people who are not male, but identify as male . uh, and so identify as male. uh, and so people are saying, well, isn't this kind of homophobic ? what do this kind of homophobic? what do you make of this one? >> well, there are two homosexuals very close , supposedly. >> oh, i don't know where they are. >> believe it. >> believe it. >> beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep. i don't know, but it's good to know you're on the app. >> yeah exactly. >> yes. yeah exactly. >> yes. yeah exactly. >> important to have both >> it's important to have both sides. >> yeah. is it not the case, josh that you all josh that you know i'm all against discrimination in all its sexual orientation is a >> but sexual orientation is a form of discrimination insofar as by necessity, by necessity . as by necessity, by necessity. >> absolutely. and it's the same thing. movement, what thing. this whole movement, what got women were got me interested was women were lesbians, being called lesbians, were being called bigots attracted bigots for not being attracted or sleeping with people have or sleeping with people who have penises . yeah. penises. yeah. >> because they're lesbians. >> because they're lesbians. >> they're >> yeah. because they're lesbians. and this lesbians. exactly. so. and this whole ceiling this whole cotton ceiling and this disgusting, yeah think disgusting, you know. yeah think

about . yeah, this is about it. so, um. yeah, this is that surely defines the whole . that surely defines the whole. and there's a dating app, i think, in australia . the giggle, think, in australia. the giggle, i think, which also has a similar thing where they're being not allowing, uh , being sued for not allowing, uh, that sort grovers. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and the idea is that it's an app >> and the idea is that it's an app for who are attracted app for women who are attracted to and the government is to women. and the government is trying say that's bigoted. trying to say that's bigoted. >> exactly. so this is >> yeah, exactly. so this is part of that. obviously part of that. but obviously ghndr part of that. but obviously grindr said and grindr have just said and there's hypocrisy here as well, of course, because they're saying, not to saying, no, we're not going to saying, no, we're not going to say can't identify who say that you can't identify who is trans or who's cis or whatever, which i hate as a tum . whatever, which i hate as a tum. um, but, but but you can identify as trans if you want to find another trans person. >> so there are those filters. >> so there are those filters. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> there are those filters. they're saying because want they're saying because they want everybody to feel welcome, but then welcome for people then it's not welcome for people who to same who are attracted to the same sex people sex because i speak to people who are grindr and a lot of who are on grindr and a lot of the guys well, i don't go the guys say, well, i don't go on it anymore because it's full of women. >> think, w" >> and you think, well, that's kind the purpose, kind of defeats the purpose, doesn't men are doesn't it? because gay men are attracted men. it's not attracted to other men. it's not it's not rocket science. and

sure, will attracted to sure, some will be attracted to women identify as men. women who identify as men. they're bisexuals, they're called bisexuals, and that's like, that's fine as well. but like, why a big deal? why is this such a big deal? i don't understand is you don't understand why is do you think discriminatory think it's discriminatory to sort you just want sort of say that you just want to sleep with men? no no, i think that's to the think that's up to the individual way that individual in the same way that you for someone based you can search for someone based on their height, um, their preference bedroom preference in the bedroom for a horizontal refreshment, aim their drink thin air in >> right. drink thin air in again. >> i'm worried about where you're take this, you're going to take this, bruce. no, but that's bruce. no, no, no, but that's what mean. there a whole what i mean. there are a whole host of show. >> are whole host of >> there are a whole host of filters. if you pick filters. yes. so if you can pick out well, why can't you say out that well, why can't you say what i'm looking what you're into? i'm looking for with big breasts. for a gay man with big breasts. >> yeah, but it's just. i've left. just strange. >> yeah, but it's just. i've leftthat.just strange. >> yeah, but it's just. i've leftthat. ist strange. >> yeah, but it's just. i've leftthat. is thatange. >> yeah, but it's just. i've leftthat. is thatangegrinder? >> that. is that the grinder? put out that statement on their website, because website, you know, because it sounds they're to sounds like they're trying to shame for gay shame gay people for being gay a little which is weird little bit, which is weird coming gay app. coming from a gay app. but anyway, you we're the anyway, you know, we're in the age stonewall is age when, uh, stonewall is trying gay people. trying to shame gay people. so, i what expect i mean, what do you expect anyway? on next on free speech nation, going to be hearing nation, i'm going to be hearing about designed about a new ad network designed to belief that the to combat the belief that the big companies and media big tech companies and media agencies who suppressing

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welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. uncommon ad space is an ad network which is designed to connect brands and advertisers with independent content creators and alternative media outlets. its creators believe there is collusion among big tech companies and media agencies to suppress free speech and prevent content creators who operate outside the mainstream from raising advertising revenue . lee taylor, the managing director of marketing agency uncommon sense , is the man uncommon sense, is the man behind this. he joins me now alongside toby young from the free union. yeah . toby, free speech union. yeah. toby, do you want to tell us why such a measure is needed in these times ? times? >> yeah, so i publish in addition to running the free speech union, i published this

alternative news publishing site called the daily sceptic. and it's really, really difficult to get advertising to get anyone to advertise on it, even though we get about 1.5 million page views per month. so it's huge. it rivals mainstream media, publications, lots of people read it. it's read by mps , but read it. it's read by mps, but we can't get any advertising . we can't get any advertising. why? because there are these various agencies. they describe themselves as advertising ratings agencies . and they and ratings agencies. and they and what they say to advertisers is don't advertise on this site. it's toxic. it spreads misinformation and disinformation by which they mean anything that challenges the mainstream narrative. if you challenge the regime, you're going to get designated as an unsafe space for advertisers to place their products in. so i'm finding it even though it's a huge success, hugely popular. i can't get almost any advertising at all because of the dominance. and these agencies are funded by, uh, the state department in the us, the us department of defence by our own foreign and commonwealth office. i'm talking

about agencies like the global disinfo nation newsguard . disinfo nation index, newsguard. what they do is they stop anyone even giving money. any advertisers giving money to sites like spiked , like sites like spiked, like zerohedge, even gb news has been successfully boycotted by some of these. they're basically the organs of the censorship industrial complex trying to strangle alternative news publishers because they're threatened by the challenge they pose to the mainstream narrative, and isn't it, strangely, that we have these these bodies, these agencies that much power when that have so much power when really are clearly really they are clearly motivated from a particular ideological ? ideological standpoint? >> completely. >> point completely. it certainly feels like they've been captured ideologically , and been captured ideologically, and they're all following the same narrative . i the daily narrative. i mean, the daily sceptic, produces, you know, sceptic, it produces, you know, information about the weather. i mean, is that really hate speech? is that really something that you wouldn't want to be associated as an advertiser ? >> 7- >> so when ? >> so when did you come up with this idea, and how did you think about implementing it? so probably years probably about ten years ago i've seen in i've seen changes in the advertising world. >> certainly

>> and then certainly over the last alternative media, last six, the alternative media, the media scape has blown the new media scape has blown up, has got really huge . so up, has got really huge. so i was confused as why advertisers weren't migrating their advertising spend over here. and then, as toby said, actually, not only they not not only were they not advertising, advertising and advertising, not advertising and spending, they were being censored. i to make this censored. so i had to make this my problem . now i sit and my problem. now i sit and complain about it, but actually i to a solution. so i needed to find a solution. so to i thought, why to start with i thought, why don't glue some don't i go and glue myself some work art that didn't work? work of art that didn't work? >> it doesn't work . weird >> no, it doesn't work. weird that isn't it strange? yeah. >> actually, i thought >> so actually, i thought there's got a better way. there's got to be a better way. why this an why don't we make this into an opportunity and actually. we opportunity and actually. so we set network what our set up a network and what our platform provides platform does is it provides a conduh platform does is it provides a conduit between businesses and advertisers and publishers so they can advertise on the, on the, on the new media publishing place. that's great. >> toby, i want to ask you about this, though, because there are activist groups such as hope not this, though, because there are activiand'oups such as hope not this, though, because there are activiand'oups sllike s hope not this, though, because there are activiand'oups sllike this pe not this, though, because there are activiand'oups sllike this who ot hate and people like this who will uh, people like will smear, uh, people like spiked news whatever, spiked or gb news or whatever, or sceptic as, uh, you or the daily sceptic as, uh, you know, basically. know, wrong'uns basically. and then , uh, intimidate then effectively, uh, intimidate

people from advertising, you know, scare the advertisers away. how can you deal with that 7 away. how can you deal with that ? it's all very well tackling the what about the agencies. but what about those activist groups? >> yeah. mean, really >> yeah. i mean, it's really tough. you to tough. i think you have to expose the fact that when they attack you for publishing misinformation or disinformation or hate speech, and when they try and get laws passed in parliament like the law that's going irish going through the irish parliament, there's another one heading in the heading towards us in the northern irish parliament. and now about get up now that that's about to get up and one in and running, there's one in australia, new zealand. australia, one in new zealand. it's the power it's extraordinary. the power and these activist and influence of these activist groups throttle groups trying to throttle alternative news publishing sites. and i think the one way to tackle it is to is to say to them, we're not really publishing misinformation or disinformation, that you disinformation, saying that you don't trans women don't think trans women are women really hate speech, women isn't really hate speech, is you disapprove of is it? you just disapprove of what producing . you you what i'm producing. you just you just my just just don't share my politics and you're dressing that , you know, you're that up as, you know, you're publishing false and misleading information. show information. but if you can show who they're funded by what their agenda is, the previous activist groups, been involved agenda is, the previous activist groupi, been involved agenda is, the previous activist groupi think been involved agenda is, the previous activist groupi think you een involved agenda is, the previous activist

groupi think you can involved agenda is, the previous activist groupi think you can gradually with, i think you can gradually denude them of their power and their influence. and, you know, it's not as far as persuading people not to go to sites like the daily sceptic or zerohedge or spiked or watch gb news. it's not successful. you know, the pubuc not successful. you know, the public are voting with their eyeballs and that's the thing. >> can be >> so this, this people can be can exposed in this way. can be exposed in this way. these activists, they're not telling truth. so what's telling the truth. um, so what's been the response? >> the response been great. been the response? >>wea response been great. been the response? >> we went onse been great. been the response? >> we went live! been great. been the response? >>we went live probably] great. been the response? >> we went live probably about. so we went live probably about 3 or 4 weeks ago now, and i've had a number of people come to on say, didn't even know this say, we didn't even know this was problem. to jump. was a problem. we want to jump. how advertise on these how can we advertise on these networks? didn't we networks? we didn't even know we could yeah, been blocked could. yeah, we've been blocked for past. we've had for in the past. we've had letters support saying what letters of support saying what you're is fantastic you're doing is fantastic because we're giving because we're actually giving access direct to access to businesses direct to this new media. um, we've had a few people say , actually, you few people say, actually, you shouldn't really be doing this, but we've ignored yeah. but we've ignored those. yeah. good has been good idea. the response has been great. we've also had publishers come the conservative come on like the conservative woman, been banned woman, to say, we've been banned as help us as well. can you help us out with the with advertising? so the response amazing. response has been amazing. >> what's the website?

>> finally, what's the website? >> finally, what's the website? >> people more? >> where can people find more? >> where can people find more? >> it's called mad space.com. >> fantastic. toby, >> that's fantastic. and toby, you've i you've got a live event i believe coming up soon. yes. >> so me and gb news is very own nick headliners several nick dixon on headliners several times week. do a weekly times a week. we do a weekly podcast called the weekly sceptic , and we're doing a live sceptic, and we're doing a live show at the hippodrome, just off leicester tomorrow. and leicester square tomorrow. and if want to buy a ticket, go if you want to buy a ticket, go to new podcasting platform to our new podcasting platform based org. click on based media dot org. click on events and you can get a ticket for only £25. where else can you see a west end show? a two hour show with the hilarious stand up comedian nick dixon forjust £25, it's a bargain. >> and you're quite the showman yourself, toby. i mean, i think you're yourself so well. >> it's a % show % ml % show . we've done >> it's a good show. we've done it before. audiences love it twice before. audiences love it. it's going to be a great occasion. a great night. occasion. i think a great night. >> fantastic. very >> that's fantastic. just very quickly, what will you be covering? things covering? what kind of things will talking? will you be talking? >> about >> we'll be talking about lindsay smith getting banned by newcastle football club. we might joe phoenix's might talk about joe phoenix's incredible her incredible victory and her courage in standing to the courage in standing up to the open university. we'll talk about the armed forces becoming

increasingly woke and finding it hard to recruit, uh, heterosexual white men because they're just not welcome in the armed forces anymore. a lot of stuff to cover. andrew. >> and leigh, >> fantastic. toby and leigh, thank much for thank you both very much for joining really appreciate joining me. really appreciate it. and there's loads more to come speech nation, come on free speech nation, including labour's including joan smith on labour's position on gender ideology. don't anywhere . don't go anywhere. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello there. good evening, i'm jonathan vautrey. here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. the next few days theme really next few days the theme really is spells and showers is clear spells and showers around and we have that really as we sunday. as well. as we end sunday. as well. showers in showers pushing their way in from quite frequent from the west. quite frequent for western districts. some for some western districts. some clearer spells though further towards and a much towards the east and a much dner towards the east and a much drier overall though for drier night overall though for the north—east. here in

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gb news. >> there's plenty more still to come on free speech nation tonight, including joan smith on labour's position on gender, ideology. shahrar ali on his victory over the green party and more questions from this wonderful studio audience. but first, let's get a news update from sam francis . from sam francis. >> andrew. thank you. good evening from the gb newsroom has just gone 8:00. it's about to say seven. we start with the rising tensions in israel and

gaza as warnings against a planned israeli invasion of the southern gazan city of rafah intensify by ministers here in the uk have called it potentially catastrophic for civilians. it follows a call this evening between the us president and the israeli prime minister, with joe biden calling for a halt to that planned invasion. he said it shouldn't go ahead without a credible plan in place to protect the 1 million people seeking shelter there. however, the israeli prime minister has told reporters enough of the 132 remaining hostages are alive to warrant that ground invasion. earlier tanks and bulldozers were seen operating along that gaza border with israel , and it gaza border with israel, and it comes after at least 44 people, including several children, died yesterday in what the palestinians have claimed were israeli airstrikes . back here in israeli airstrikes. back here in the uk, the family of murdered teenager brianna ghey have held a vigil this afternoon to mark the first anniversary of her death. earlier i spoke to our nonh death. earlier i spoke to our north west of england reporter, sophie reaper, who was there at

the gathering . the gathering. >> well, one year on from the tragic death of brianna ghey hundreds of people have gathered here in warrington for a vigil in her memory. we heard from several of brianna's friends who spoke, bringing tears to the eyes of the crowd as they remembered their friend. we also heard from the head teacher at brianna ghey school . we finally brianna ghey school. we finally heard from brianna's mother, esther, who spoke in emotionally and emotively about the loss of her daughter. here's what she had to say . had to say. >> brianna was an amazing, unique and joyful teenager. i will be forever thankful that i was lucky enough to spend 16 years with her. she taught me so much and gave me so much happiness and love. if there's one piece of advice that i can give to any parent, it would be to hug your children tight and never stop telling them that you love them . love them. >> and i just want to bring you

some breaking news that we've received in the last hour or so. the four boys, aged between 12 and 14. we understand , have been and 14. we understand, have been arrested in rochdale on suspicion of raping a young girl . the alleged incident took place in the newbold area of rochdale. police say the victim is currently being supported by specialist officers as a spokesperson for greater manchester police said officers were called at about 6:00 on saturday evening to reports of a sexual assault in the area. the suspects, we understand , are 12, suspects, we understand, are 12, 13 and 214 year olds. they're now in custody. a crime scene remains in place and officers are continuing that investigate . are continuing that investigate. in the government is set to block bonuses paid to water bosses whose firms pollute rivers, lakes and seas . the move rivers, lakes and seas. the move comes after public anger in recent weeks at bosses pocketing more than £26 million in bonuses, benefits and incentives over the last four years. the proposed ban by the regulator, ofwat , could apply to all ceos

ofwat, could apply to all ceos and executive board members . as and executive board members. as we've been hearing today, 124 migrants crossed the english channel yesterday on three small boats, according to new figures from the home office. the latest arrivals now bring the total this year so far to just over 1500. that's down, though, from the just over 2000 at the same time last year, but up on the figure from 2022. apart from the latest crossings, small boats had not been intercepted since the end of january. the prime minister you'll remember, has made stopping the boats a key pledge of his leadership as the country prepares for the general election . and finally, the king election. and finally, the king this morning attended church in sandringham for the first time since his recent cancer diagnosis. his majesty was seen walking alongside queen camilla. that's after last night . walking alongside queen camilla. that's after last night. he thanked the nation for their overwhelming support in his first public message since his diagnosis. the monarch said such kind thoughts from the public are of great comfort to him and encouragement. buckingham palace

have said that he is facing a form of cancer , though they say form of cancer, though they say it's unrelated to his recent prostate treatment . and for the prostate treatment. and for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com forward slash alerts . alerts. welcome back to free speech nafion welcome back to free speech nation with me, andrew doyle. >> we've got a lovely studio audience here tonight. let's get some more questions. our first question in this section comes from daniel. daniel? from daniel. where's daniel? hello >> and brother. hi, a&e. of coui'se. >> course. >> so my question is, is the countryside racist? >> i love the way you're finishing each other's questions now. it's great. well, so wildlife charity ages are saying that the british countryside is a racist colonial white space race. >> and then there's barriers preventing ethnic minorities from accessing the countryside. this is wildlife and

countryside. uk is a charity umbrella group whose members include various major wildlife charities. they've made. this claims , uh, in evidence to claims, uh, in evidence to parliament. uh, and josh, we do keep getting these stories about the countryside is racist. i've heard this quite a lot . is it? heard this quite a lot. is it? >> well, if you even read the article, you read the report that it's based on. yes. it's just a lot of like, well, colonialism is bad. there's colonialism is bad. and there's no doesn't get down no it doesn't actually get down to examples of what might to any examples of what might be. how does that relate to racism? they're saying racism? well, they're saying like almost like like the it's almost like they're idea of, of they're saying the idea of, of the, of the countryside is racist. that's what would racist. and that's what would put going the put people off going to the country . country. >> w- g gonna have to join >> so you're gonna have to join the for me there. so is it the dots for me there. so is it like there's like if there's if there's mental there's mental people out there, there's too hedgehogs in too many hedgehogs in a particular connect particular meadow. they connect that colonialism um, that to colonialism. um, or. >> yeah, that's gist. >> yeah, that's the gist. i mean, look, crazy and mean, look, it's crazy stuff and it's , it's sort of it's it's sort of, it's sort of it's saying like the eye, the idea of this, uh, space is white. and that would put off ethnic minorities going out there, which, of course is racist to ethnic minorities , say, oh, that ethnic minorities, say, oh, that that would be a barrier. somehow

this can't, can't, um, ethnic minority people go into the countryside. >> i hope they do. i when i read it, i fully expected cows to be shouting racial slurs and all that kind of stuff because i was like, even for me, this doesn't make sense. i think it make any sense. but i think it is to do with the fact that, you know, a country know, if you have a country pile, then you're up or pile, then you're up here or people there and all people are down there and all that stuff about that, that kind of stuff about that, are they're talking about are they they're talking about like the countryside like the, the countryside that anyone can access. >> exactly. >> no, exactly. >> no, exactly. >> an article in the >> i saw an article in the pinknews years ago pinknews a couple of years ago talking about queer talking about how about queer hiking that that hiking groups saying that that the not the countryside is not an inclusive for lgbt people? inclusive space for lgbt people? why? don't know. why? well, i don't know. >> know many gay men that >> i know so many gay men that love outdoors as . love the outdoors as. >> i just don't know what these people are talking about. >> anyway, let's let's move on to a question from ian. where's ian? hello >> evening. is liz truss >> good evening. is liz truss the right person to save the west? >> oh, it's such a dramatic question . ian, are you are you question. ian, are you are you a liz truss fan? >> as a default position, i'd have say no, you're not. have to say no, you're not. okay. >> @ love her. what >> well, god love her. what she's done now is she's written

a book. it's announced a book. it's been announced that, ten years that, uh, it's called ten years to west, and it's to save the west, and it's subtitled , uh, lessons from the subtitled, uh, lessons from the only conservative in the room. there she is. uh, this book is going to argue, apparently, that the authoritarianism the rise of authoritarianism around the world and the adoption fashionable ideas adoption of fashionable ideas propagated by global left propagated by the global left gave us barely decade to gave us barely a decade to preserve the economic and cultural freedom and institutions that the west holds so . you a fan of liz? no, so dear. you a fan of liz? no, no, no. >> and i believe that she >> and i don't believe that she wrote i think someone else wrote this. i think someone else has her, and has written it for her, and i think she's actually got a cheek bringing a book out. >> all honesty, you think >> in all honesty, you think it's ghostwritten? do, it's ghostwritten? yeah, i do, i think she's a smart woman. she is yeah. is she? yeah. >> smart enough tank the >> smart enough to tank the economy? of course, now economy? yeah. of course, now it's to get controversial. it's going to get controversial. >> think that's a fair >> do you think that's a fair assessment gave? assessment that bruce just gave? >> yeah. assessment that bruce just gave? >> well, think she wrote it, >> well, i think she wrote it, but i think what's funny is that >> well, i think she wrote it, but i had< what's funny is that >> well, i think she wrote it, but i had to rhat's funny is that >> well, i think she wrote it, but i had to sorts funny is that >> well, i think she wrote it, but i had to sort ofjnny is that >> well, i think she wrote it, but i had to sort of pad is that >> well, i think she wrote it, but i had to sort of pad it that >> well, i think she wrote it, but i had to sort of pad it outt she's had to sort of pad it out with these other ideas because it's you know, the prime it's meant, you know, the prime minister their minister finishes their, their time they get time in power and then they get a yeah. about their a book deal. yeah. about their huge know, if she actually huge you know, if she actually just wrote about just wrote it about her premiership would be

premiership ship, it would be about three long. yes. uh, about three pages long. yes. uh, so sort of bolster about three pages long. yes. uh, so this sort of bolster about three pages long. yes. uh, so this idea,;ort of bolster about three pages long. yes. uh, so this idea, you>f bolster about three pages long. yes. uh, so this idea, you know, ter it with this idea, you know, third female prime minister that is no feat. is no mean feat. >> that's i mean, that's a bit she's achieved a lot . i mean, i she's achieved a lot. i mean, i know she didn't last very long in role. um, but you can't in the role. um, but you can't really do a damn for actually getting there in the first place. it's more than i've done. >> yeah, but you you can. >> yeah, but you you can. >> yeah. >> em- em— >> you can. yeah. okay >> you can. yeah. okay >> she wasn't elected in i mean, she wasn't in by this country. >> i see mean. >> i see what you mean. >> i see what you mean. >> you it was it was a conservative. >> but do you not a little >> but do you not think a little bit it to that bit that when it came to that economic problem, you know, a lot the markets got spooked lot of the markets got spooked out? um, but on the other hand, was fault? the was that her fault? i mean, the idea was it? idea wasn't bad, was it? >> i think the idea was bad. and was by our was she not told by our now prime that you prime minister that you shouldn't be going ahead with that, he was that, that was him when he was chancellor saying this doesn't actually sense. and it didn't. >> well, okay, lots of country billions saying that. >> i do believe we do probably have about ten years save the have about ten years to save the west. it's a good title. it west. so it's a good title. it is a good title. >> don't think that some >> i just don't think that some of that seem just

of the issues that seem just from what i've read on the blurb, it's not an economic. >> we're talking >> i think we're talking about cultural issues. >> enough, i'm going >> well, fair enough, i'm going to only one to defend liz to be the only one to defend liz truss here. >> but think well, i'm >> but i think like, well, i'm just we shouldn't judge just saying we shouldn't judge a book actually just saying we shouldn't judge a book like actually just saying we shouldn't judge a book like the actually just saying we shouldn't judge a book like the cover. actually just saying we shouldn't judge a book like the cover. it'sually i quite like the cover. it's very dramatic. >> is she on the cover? >>— >> is she on the cover? >> she's on the cover. >>— >> she's on the cover. >> she's on the cover. >> she looks great. it's dramatic. great. dramatic. the title's great. okay. and okay. what's not to love? and i bet it's. i bet it's an interesting for one, interesting read. for i one, will reading anyway, will be reading it anyway, let's move to question now from, move on to a question now from, uh, jack. george. uh, george jack. hi, george. good evening. >> is it wrong for >> andrew. why is it wrong for a leader to change opinion in leader to change his opinion in the face new information? oh, the face of new information? oh, age question, but absolutely pertinent. >> sir starmer has dropped >> sir keir starmer has dropped the £28 billion green investment package and? and starmer says the pledge isn't affordable anymore. but josh now look i keep coming to you on labour questions because you are a labour voter. isn't it the case traditionally. okay. traditionally, yeah. but is it not the case that labour well starmer particular does starmer in particular does u—turn a lot. u—turn quite a lot. >> that's what critics >> well that's what his critics will but arguably only will say. but arguably only having information changing having new information changing your mind. that is a sign of

intellect and arguably also part of the reason that we're in the situation we are culturally in this, uh, in this country is because people aren't changing their minds and they're reading a information a tiny bit of information and going, this is it. and this is what my tribe think, and i'm not going to change mind and, uh, yeah. >> so, i fli- %_ >> so, i mean, george makes a good a way that, you good point in a way that, you know, when you presented know, when you are presented with information, adult with new information, the adult thing to change it. but thing to do is to change it. but if shadow leader, if you are the shadow leader, it looks like you're sticking looks like you're not sticking to your principles or that you don't have principles. >> or does it look that you are principled because you've obviously the and it obviously done the maths and it doesn't any sense? i'd doesn't make any sense? i'd watched it wes streeting ? i watched was it wes streeting? i always him confused with always get him confused with whoever was was freddy whoever was was that was freddy krueger. but anyway, that's another wes another story. wes craven, wes craven , right. john craven's craven, right. john craven's newsround, so um, but the newsround, right. so um, but the point is that why he came up with it, thinking that he could afford it anyway, or who ever did? seemed bit ridiculous, did? i seemed a bit ridiculous, but have any problem. i but i don't have any problem. i actually it shows a of actually think it shows a bit of integrity like, integrity because it's like, well, not going to, is it? well, we're not going to, is it? >> but is it because of conviction? it of

conviction? is it because of new information, or is because information, or is it because it's badly that's my it's polled badly and that's my issue. is the issue. yeah, that is the problem. there there is an problem. so there there is an idea and will say in idea there. and i will say in terms flopping or terms of flip flopping or inconsistencies , there was a inconsistencies, there was a disgusting in labour. the disgusting thing in labour. the by—election coming up in rochdale , and this person came rochdale, and this person came up with the labour candidate, came up with this insane conspiracy israel conspiracy theory that israel deliberately the attack deliberately wanted the attack to happen on 7th. and to happen on october 7th. and this person has been allowed to sort apologise and still stay sort of apologise and still stay in power. now i thought the labour party dealt these labour party dealt with these kind they they kind of issues. well, they they have been since starmer uh, have been since keir starmer uh, has taken over. but this is , is has taken over. but this is, is this is an inconsistency. this is a flip flop because someone is a flip flop because someone is delving in anti—semitic conspiracy theories. and when it comes to that, you know , i know comes to that, you know, i know it's too late now to get a new candidate. but first of all, they should have immediately, like highlighted person. like highlighted this person. but secondly, now they they would they would would be a lot. maybe they would lose election because they lose this election because they wouldn't have anyone if wouldn't have anyone standing if they the same they pulled him. but at the same time, show the rest time, this would show the rest of country labour's safe in of the country labour's safe in terms of dealing with these kind

of. absolutely people of. yes, absolutely people inside their party. >> difficult , isn't it? is >> it is difficult, isn't it? is there bruce, for a leader there a way, bruce, for a leader to mind or her mind to change his mind or her mind and be accused of flip and not be accused of flip flopping? you're a flip flopper expert, aren't you? >> not. i'm a very >> no i'm not. i'm a very definite but, um. definite person. but, um. >> but i thought you. i meant the footwear. >> no, i've got funny the footwear. >> nno. i've got funny the footwear. >> nno. really?|ot funny the footwear. >> nno. really? okay1ny the footwear. >> nno. really? okay but feet. no. oh, really? okay but very interestingly, though, friends , they the friends of mine, they have the european of havana's european director of havana's flip flops staying with them. this is that right? yeah. no, honestly, in royal dock, you see how the stars align. i know it's unbelievable, but actually quickly on issue of quickly, josh, on that issue of anti—semitism , you mentioned anti—semitism, you mentioned something to me the break, something to me in the break, which astonishing about. >> yes, minister , do you want to >> yes, minister, do you want to tell is? tell us what this is? >> this blown up at all. >> this hasn't blown up at all. but was looking for yes, but someone was looking for yes, prime minister, and goes prime minister, and it goes episode sitcom, episode the old sitcom, the old sitcom, sitcom. one episode the old sitcom, the old sitthe , sitcom. one episode the old sitcom, the old sitthe greatest sitcom. one episode the old sitcom, the old sitthe greatest sitcoms:om. one episode the old sitcom, the old sitthe greatest sitcoms of1. one episode the old sitcom, the old sitthe greatest sitcoms of all�*ne of the greatest sitcoms of all time. and goes episode time. uh and it goes episode five. and then this is on the bbc iplayer and also on sky . and bbc iplayer and also on sky. and it goes episode five, and then it goes episode five, and then it episode seven, and you it goes episode seven, and you can't get episode six because it's . it's about israel. >> that is >> that i mean, that is absolutely astonishing. have you

verified i've verified this? have you? i've verified it. >> and, uh, what's going >> yeah. and, uh, what's going on there? well, let's watch this space. >> but but they do this all the time. >> so i was i was talking to john cleese about this because there's an episode of fawlty towers, and if you watch it on the streaming service, the bbc streaming service, they've a from the they've cut out a scene from the germans, the germans, the episode the germans, because there's a racial in scene. but of racial slur in the scene. but of course, the use of the slur is to attack mock the person to attack and mock the person using so they're like, using it. so they're just like, i wish streaming services i wish these streaming services would alone, would just leave stuff alone, because otherwise we just have to old dvd box sets, to buy the old dvd box sets, don't otherwise we're just don't we? otherwise we're just not get there. not going to get there. >> but cut an entire >> and but to cut an entire episode because problematic episode because it's problematic for is well, for mentioning israel is well, well, we don't know, well, you know, we don't know, of course, why they've it. of course, why they've done it. >> but if is the case, >> but if that is the case, that's disturbing. okay. that's that's disturbing. okay. let's get another question now from hi from debbie. hi, debbie. hi >> you be boycotting the >> will you be boycotting the pirates ? the new pirates of the pirates? the new pirates of the canbbean pirates? the new pirates of the caribbean movie? >> debbie i will, because i hate them. um, they are so long. why does any film that that's that bad need to be that long? anyway um, so fans of the pirates of

the caribbean franchise are threatening to boycott if johnny depp doesn't appear. so depp's become . no. obviously, he plays become. no. obviously, he plays captain sparrow . uh, he captain jack sparrow. uh, but he was by disney because of was dropped by disney because of the court case with amber heard. fans aren't happy about this. do you like the pirates film? >> no, it's not my bag. >> no, it's not my bag. >> any of them? no, no. >> any of them? no, no. >> so i saw the first two. i saw the one, i saw the the first one, then i saw the second one. the second one was like eight hours long. >> why? like eight hours long. >> iihy? like eight hours long. >> i wasn't sure because it didn't. nothing in didn't. nothing happened in it. >> it until >> and did you watch it until the oh, i, i was in the cinema. >> oh, i, i was in the cinema. i had to, thought it would be had to, i thought it would be rude. i don't like the rude. oh, i don't like the cinema. >> i think it's voluntary incarceration. and for incarceration. and you pay for it. do it weird. it. where'd you do it is weird. >> yeah, but was. was kind >> yeah, but it was. it was kind of. exhausting. of. it was exhausting. >> i love the first one. i thought first one is a thought the first one is a really it's just first really good. it's just the first one is good movie and he's on one is a good movie and he's on a roller coaster. yeah. and they did good job. they did a really good job. and they managed movie about managed to turn a movie about a roller into an roller coaster into an entertaining film. >> do you like games? don't >> do you like your games? don't you? johnny depp >> do you like your games? don't you being johnny depp >> do you like your games? don't you being in johnny depp >> do you like your games? don't you being in it, johnny depp >> do you like your games? don't you being in it, though?inny depp >> do you like your games? don't you being in it, though? yeah)epp not being in it, though? yeah well, they're the people they're talking is actually

>> replacing is actually a really about really interesting story about female pirates and true, true female pirates and true, true female what they female pirates. and what they would would kill would do is they would kill people and then they would go, they breasts they would reveal their breasts to these just killed to go, ah, these just killed you. and i'm all in. you. and wow, i'm all in. i don't care about johnny depp . don't care about johnny depp. >> i mean, that's kind of insane , isn't it? but it's great. is that true story? that a true story? >> story. wow, wow. it >> true story. wow, wow. it reminds of, you know, reminds me a bit of, you know, how, the taliban, if they how, like, the taliban, if they get isis or if isis get if they get isis or if isis get if they get isis or if isis get killed by female fighters, they fear they're going to go to hell find so hell because they find it so ashamed. hell because they find it so ashso ed. hell because they find it so ashso whenever there's female >> so whenever there's female soldiers , these guys just run soldiers, these guys just run a mile. it's really funny. there we go. >> p mean, em— p mean, that's great >> yeah, i mean, that's great with the female pilots dropping the down. the breasts down. >> complete kind of >> then for a complete kind of i don't about logistics, don't know about the logistics, but probably but i think that's probably what they but i think that's probably what the wasn't geena davis a >> wasn't geena davis in a really good female pirate? yeah yeah. >> renny harlin renee haaland director. >> there we go. anyway, i'm director. >.big1ere we go. anyway, i'm director. >.big geena go. anyway, i'm director. >.big geena davis.nyway, i'm director. >.big geena davis kick|y, i'm director. >.big geena davis kick at i'm director. >.big geena davis kick at thei'm a big geena davis kick at the moment. recently rewatched long kiss really to find actually. >> is it? yeah. it's fantastic. great film. okay. question great film. okay. next question now maeve. maeve. now from maeve. hi, maeve. >> of a blonde question, >> hi. bit of a blonde question, but be but should, uh, should you be sued tracking taylor swift's

sued for tracking taylor swift's private sued for tracking taylor swift's pri\what you doing, maeve? >> not tracking . >> not tracking. >> not tracking. >> so glad to hear it. >> not tracking. >> so glad to hear it . so >> so i'm glad to hear it. so taylor swift's lawyers have sent a cease and desist letter to student jack sweeney. and he runs a social media accounts which track the private planes that celebrities use. and swift uses. um and she's been criticised for her use of private jets, although it's been reported that she purchases carbon credits, which offset the impact on the environment . uh, impact on the environment. uh, what do you make of this one? josh >> yeah, so she had two jets and she sold one of them, which is really nice of her. >> you know what she's an >> do you know what she's an environmental warrior. >> she's she's warrior. >> she's a she's just a warrior. full but has full stop. yeah. uh, but she has tricked. accusation tricked. so the accusation is that this person is stalking her. uh, and then he's like, no, i'm just pointing out people's hypocrisy, and i'm only following the anyway. following the jets anyway. >> they're the jets. >> but but they're in the jets. >> but but they're in the jets. >> are in the jets. but >> they are in the jets. but actually, she took another jet owned by somebody and owned by somebody else. and this person followed her. so she's kind outsmarted and kind of outsmarted him. and found is stalking found out that he is stalking her. gist. her. is the gist. >> do think this counts >> what do you think this counts as stalking? bruce? >> worried. doing >> i am worried. is she doing the is that

the super bowl tonight? is that tonight? but when she's doing the i'm worried. the super bowl, i'm worried. tonight that the super bowl, i'm worried. tonigets that the super bowl, i'm worried. tonigets soup that the super bowl, i'm worried. tonigets soup thrown that the super bowl, i'm worried. tonigets soup thrown at that the super bowl, i'm worried. tonigets soup thrown at herat the super bowl, i'm worried. tonigets soup thrown at her from she gets soup thrown at her from just oil. just stop oil. >> oh you they would if >> oh you know, they would if they they absolutely would. >> and thought this was >> and i thought this was greater doing this. greater that was doing this. yeah think it is stalking. why yeah i think it is stalking. why why bothered. why are you bothered. >> well it's because >> well i guess it's because they think you they they think that, you know, they shouldn't everyone shouldn't be lecturing everyone about the environment and then flying private. flying around in private. okay? >> lecturing about >> she lecturing people about the i the environment, though i haven't seen they all are, aren't they all at it. >> are they all at it. >> are they all at it. >> well we don't know is the truth. >> we don't know. but like kylie jenner, she got into trouble because was. i would do this because she was. i would do this if plane. she was doing if i had a plane. she was doing like ten minute i think like ten minute flights. i think that's was that's hysterical. yeah, she was like, that like, basically, i think that you in the car. she was you could do in the car. she was getting maybe wasn't ten minutes, it was like, minutes, but it was like, you know, and was know, 20 minutes. and she was going, mean, indulgent, going, i mean, that's indulgent, isn't love that. isn't it? i would love that. >> that's bit in >> that's a bit like in that sitcom bread. know, where sitcom bread. you know, where they used to drive? just five metres down. >> with corn. >> oh, with the corn. >> oh, with the corn. >> yeah. i'm my age >> yeah. i'm showing my age there. next free there. anyway next up on free speech we're be speech nation. we're going to be heanng speech nation. we're going to be hearing ashara ali, who was hearing from ashara ali, who was vindicated last week vindicated by a court last week as his legal with the as his legal battle with the green to an end.

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success of people on the hard left. hated tony blair because he wasn't left enough. but tony blair had three times in. he wasn't left enough. but tony blair had three times in . office blair had three times in. office >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation with me. andrew doyle, former deputy leader of the green party . doctor sara ali has green party. doctor sara ali has been vindicated by a court ruling which said he was discriminated against by the party due to his gender critical views. the court found the party had failed to identify any misconduct and had therefore improperly dismissed ali as a spokesman , and he was awarded spokesman, and he was awarded £9,100 in damages . however, the £9,100 in damages. however, the ruling did uphold political parties right to dismiss spokespeople whose views differ from party policy. i'm utterly thrilled to say that doctor sara ali joins me now. welcome to the show . so firstly , ali, obviously show. so firstly, ali, obviously congratulations means how do you feel ? feel? >> well , it feel? >> well, it was a long haul, wasn't it? i mean, you don't

take a political party to court after having toiled over and campaigned for them for 20 years. unless you've got a good reason right. so there's reason to. right. so there's nothing justice, i have to nothing like justice, i have to say. and does it really say. and boy, does it really give you confidence in the british justice system that they could see through the smoke and mirrors of the green party? all the character assassination i had to deal for with five, six days of trial and they could see that i was and the judge has made it very clear, the declaration that we asked for and sought is that i was subjected to unlawful discrimination on account of my gender critical beliefs, and that's crucially important . i that's crucially important. i had the whole weight of politics on the left, on my shoulders. i felt because we wanted to lay down a marker, a legal marker up. with this, we cannot put the hostile environment. i would say the fanaticism at an all time high in the green party, that rot had to be put a stop to. >> and it's interesting because, you know, the judge said that political parties are allowed to expel people who don't follow

the party line on certain policies, but i was never under the impression that this was a green party policy. >> i think first off, >> well, i think first off, we've a slew of successful we've had a slew of successful cases the courts, cases in the courts, particularly in the employment tribunal since forstater. i think you had joe phoenix on earlier. yes. you know, we've had successful wins . the had a very successful wins. the importance politics is importance of politics is difficult to, to, to, to overstate in politics. we expect to be able to have vigorous, rigorous debate. and as an advocate for free speech, i also didn't want the unintended consequence where, if you like, the judgement was too strong. yes, i understand it's very important actually, that people should able to even offend should be able to even offend you, you, trade in you, insult you, trade in insults, and the judge . yeah, insults, and the judge. yeah, the judge very astutely , i the judge very astutely, i think, made sure that that was still possible. he was doing a balancing act, if you like, between certain articles in the european convention of human rights enshrined in the human rights enshrined in the human rights of speech, rights act, freedom of speech, freedom expression and freedom of expression and freedom of expression and freedom so he freedom of association, so he rightly a very high bar, and rightly put a very high bar, and he found that the green party

still transgressed and discriminated against me. they produced no evidence for their allegation that i had breached the spokesperson. people's code of conduct, and the reason they didn't produce any evidence because they never had any . and because they never had any. and so they were caught out. but like you say, ever since the forstater case, the belief that there are two sexes, that those sexes that's sexes are immutable, that's a protected in protected belief in law. >> is a discrimination >> so this is a discrimination aspect. just the party aspect. just as the party wouldn't be expected to discriminate against someone for being something being black or gay or something like think you might like that. i think you might also to distinguish also wish to distinguish between the upon an ordinary the obligations upon an ordinary member to comply, if you like, with a political party's policies, and that upon a spokesperson and i freely admit, in fact, i signed the code of conduct on the understanding that were i to breach it, then there would be consequences. >> the fact is, is that those breaches were never identified, shown in the court shown to me, even in the court of law. over five days they had a second shot at it and they still couldn't do it because what's interesting, though, is

the green party. i would call them a gender critical party because we've got policies on single sex wards for women in hospitals to preserve patient dignity. we've got policies that no school children , no no child no school children, no no child should leave school without a proper medical understanding of reproduction . that is, reproduction. that is, biological sex. that is not, um , biological sex. that is not, um, out of kilter with the common or garden belief, which we commonly call gender critical. >> so can i ask what the response has been from other members of your party? because, you know, you say you've you've sued own party. i can sued your own party. i can imagine a lot of people in the green thinking, oh, he's a green party thinking, oh, he's a traitor, the opposite is the case. >> no, the opposite is the case. those who put me and those people who have put me and many through this, we've many others through this, we've got teal , uh, many others through this, we've got teal, uh, emma got alison teal, uh, emma bateman, are being bateman, they are being persecuted . and alison teal, persecuted. and alison teal, let's just take she let's just take take her. she was duly selected for sheffield central , which is was duly selected for sheffield central, which is a was duly selected for sheffield central , which is a target ward central, which is a target ward in 2022. and she's been unable to campaign because of the

disciplinary action. she's on a no fault suspension order. all these no fault suspensions against gender critical members have to stop. it's completely outraged . it's the reaction has outraged. it's the reaction has been denial . outraged. it's the reaction has been denial. i have to say i've been denial. i have to say i've been watching in a couple of days. you know what the reaction has been green party. has been from the green party. they're to minimise it. they're trying to minimise it. they're trying to minimise it. they're trying to claim that it's kind procedural it's some kind of procedural error. it's not procedural justice, it's justice, isn't just an end. it's a talk about the a means we talk about the presumption innocence . if you presumption of innocence. if you if lock up without if i were to lock you up without even evidence and even producing evidence and giving a fair trial, giving you a fair trial, do you think that is just a procedural error? no as the judge himself called it, he called it procedural unfairness . it was procedural unfairness. it was unjust. and then the very act of disciplining me, they also demonstrated their discrimination because the reason and this is important actually , not only was i hauled actually, not only was i hauled up before this confected process without any evidence, but in the very act of removing me as a spokesperson, they demonstrated their discrimination against me. so what would you like to see

happen now? well, let's put it like this. can you imagine any political party where the leaders were co—responsible because they voted on an executive committee to remove somebody that that had been judged unlawful discrimination, in the words of the judge , and in the words of the judge, and they would still be there . no. they would still be there. no. so let's do politics differently. so my challenge not just to the membership to take a grip of your to party, assert yourselves, you should be asking questions of the co leaders who were at the executive committee that was responsible for unlawful discrimination. if they don't have the self—respect to resign , that they should be held resign, that they should be held to account . and as far as i'm to account. and as far as i'm concerned, there should be a new leadership election, a leadership election, a leadership election, a leadership election which has already postponed . the already been postponed. by the way, can i ask you finally, shara, this is not just about the green party. >> no. there are problems with other parties. the snp have these problems. sinn fein has these problems. sinn fein has these what will the these problems. what will the ramifications be more broadly? well at the at the end of the day, what i said earlier is that

we need to lay down a marker that discriminate. >> we wouldn't tolerate sex discrimination in well, maybe you do in the green party. unfortunately, race discrimination, religious belief, discrimination. we mustn't tolerate gender critical discrimination. a protected discrimination. it's a protected belief a reason. there is no belief for a reason. there is no hierarchy of protected characteristics. and i've even heard said, oh, gives heard it said, oh, this gives certain fanatics in the green party. i don't think there's any, you know, call a spade a spade right? that it gives them a license to discriminate against people because this against people because of this higher threshold. that is an extra ordinary way of looking at this case. what every this case. what what every political party should be thinking is that by god, we've got to make sure that we can not only with the law, we only comply with the law, we make that we do not. we end make sure that we do not. we end the hostile environment that rosie duffield this world, rosie duffield of this world, all particularly on the left, have had to face for over a decade now. the parties should be thinking, how can i align my policies with the common or garden belief that is used to organise society and has been for centuries, not how can i

best get away with discriminating against people that would be even more of a rabbit hole for this green party. so it's an opportunity. this is my gift to the green party, if you like. it's a wake up call. it's a reality check. and let's get back things on track we've got track because we've got a climate calamity and we have a lot. we have social justice proper social justice and women's and free speech women's rights and free speech as part of that. that would be the position. the true green position. >> so much >> charlie, thank you so much for coming. welcome . and for coming. you're welcome. and uh, next on free speech nation after the break, how would a potential labour government handle the conflict between women's rights and the demands of trans activists? well, joan smith will be here to discuss precisely that

get more people of diverse backgrounds? >> certainly not this this wokeist gender. uh, as you said, it's weakened the police when. >> hai. rishi here as prime minister, i'm focussed on delivering on your priorities . delivering on your priorities. >> so i'll be on the road to

join gb news for a special people's forum on monday, the 12th of february, where i'll be taking questions from a live audience about the issues that really matter to you. the economy, immigration, the nhs. see you there . see you there. >> welcome back to free speech nafion >> welcome back to free speech nation . as discussed earlier, nation. as discussed earlier, rishi sunak and keir starmer were arguing this week over the latter's definition of a woman , latter's definition of a woman, however, perhaps of more long terme significance s given that they are highly likely to become they are highly likely to become the next government, is labour's overall position on gender ideology feasible ? while gender ideology feasible? while gender critical organisations critical women's organisations claim they struggle to get meetings with starmer and his top doesn't appear to top team, that doesn't appear to be the case for trans activists, shadow women and equalities minister anneliese dodds tweeted a . couple of weeks ago. together a. couple of weeks ago. together will ban conversion therapy, strengthen hate crime laws and tackle health inequalities. novelist . and columnist joan

novelist. and columnist joan smith has been writing about this. i'm delighted to say she joins me now. welcome to the show. >> thank you. i mentioned there the tweet from anneliese dodds, but keir starmer himself, at an eventin but keir starmer himself, at an event in parliament the 29th event in parliament on the 29th of made the same claim of january, made the same claim about speech about strengthening hate speech laws ban on trans laws about a ban on trans conversion therapy. >> so labour has really expressed its position on this quite unequivocally, hasn't it? >> well, i think it has, because you're hard for you're right, it's very hard for women's organisations to get time with starmer and rosie duffield, who of course, has had a hell of a lot of harassment for her views. >> he hasn't spoken to her for two and a half years, despite all the bullying and harassment that suffered. you that she suffered. and, you know, gender critical, know, being a gender critical, out, gender critical out, openly gender critical woman in house of commons is woman in the house of commons is if labour very, very if your labour is very, very difficult, it's also very difficult, it's also very difficult in a lot of constituency parties. yet constituency labour parties. yet you know, have endless you know, they have endless dharma and, and, and anneliese dodds. dharma and, and, and anneliese dodds . they have endless dodds. they have endless meetings with lgbt plus labour, which is a lobby group within the party. they are one of the groups continually call for

groups that continually call for rosie have the rosie duffield rosie to have the rosie duffield have suspended and have the whip suspended and things that know, things like that. you know, they have stonewall , have meetings with stonewall, they're friends with all of these and i you these people. and i think, you know, whatever, starmer know, whatever, whatever starmer says he has said says and, you know, he has said through gritted teeth that a woman is an adult female. he can just bring himself to say it. but, know, you judge him by but, you know, you judge him by the company he keeps and the policies but policies they're adopting. but you would thought he would you would have thought he would want to voices in want to speak to all voices in this debate. >> mean, there's much >> i mean, there's so much evidence ban on trans evidence now that a ban on trans conversion therapy would effectively gender effectively make gender paediatricians harder when paediatricians jobs harder when it comes to talking to young people are struggling with people who are struggling with feelings gender. because feelings of gender. and because so young people so many of those young people end up growing up gay. absolutely you know, you could say that a ban on trans conversion is conversion therapy is effectively endorsing a new form of gay conversion therapy. >> i it's a it's a >> yes. i think it's a it's a form of homophobia. and and what the labour party have never said , ed, is is this trans , ed, is what is this trans trans conversion therapy and where is it taking place. you know, they're continually making promises to stop something without saying where it's

happening and what effects happening and what its effects are, which extraordinary . but are, which is extraordinary. but i but i think, you know, there is an anxiety on the part of women who have continually, myself included, and i'm a member of the labour party. we've asked starmer we've continually asked starmer to out misogyny and say to call out misogyny and to say that, know, believing in that, you know, believing in biology is not trans phobic. it's perfectly legitimate it's a perfectly legitimate view. and he i mean, i think i first wrote to him three years ago as a member of the party and, and i've spoken to him , you and, and i've spoken to him, you know, face to face. still haven't had a reply. >> well, if keir starmer is watching , i would to invite watching, i would like to invite him the show, maybe to him onto the show, maybe to discuss joan. discuss this issue with joan. i think fantastic think that would be a fantastic thing. be fantastic thing. that would be fantastic because i would really want to know. can't know. and i know we can't read people's why he people's minds, but why won't he talk to people you? i mean, talk to people like you? i mean, why on earth won't he talk to rosie duffield, one his rosie duffield, who's one of his own it intimidation? maybe >> emu gm"- p n that he knows >> i think i think that he knows that there is quite a lot of youngish people in the labour party who have kind of swallowed this ideology. and, you know, we can it constituency can see it in constituency parties where people , you know,

parties where people, you know, continually propose motions condemning transphobia and saying that, you know , feminists saying that, you know, feminists are bigots and you know, that we've got terrible views and so on.andi we've got terrible views and so on. and i think, i think he came into labour came into the labour party, came and came leader . into the labour party, came and came leader. he into the labour party, came and came leader . he knew there came to be leader. he knew there was anti—semitism crisis in was an anti—semitism crisis in the party. i said this to him, to one of the letters i wrote him, thought to him, and he thought he'd have to deal that. what he didn't deal with that. what he didn't recognise is he a recognise is that he has a misogyny labour misogyny crisis in the labour party, not party, and he's absolutely not deaung party, and he's absolutely not dealing that. no. dealing with that. no. >> well, of course, rosie duffield wasn't able attend duffield wasn't able to attend the party conference because of threats like, and threats and the like, and you would have thought is would have thought this is something he must must deal with. to ask you with. but i want to ask you also, because i mentioned in the introduction about pmqs introduction about the pmqs situation where the insinuation that rishi that he made was that rishi sunak made a comment sunak had made a comment connected to the horrific murder of ghey . um, what did of brianna ghey. um, what did you of that? you make of all of that? >> it was an >> i thought it was an indication of just how debased our politics has become by gender ideology, because starmer has a record of saying ridiculous things about gender, sex, women and so on, and he absolutely should be called out for it to link it to the

horrific murder of a teenager who was targeted by two very troubled teenagers with an obsession with cruelty and torture and death and murder, and then suggest that that that sunak was in some way making a cheap joke . i thought that was cheap joke. i thought that was actually a deflection from his own record, but it also shows how how quickly anything that involves even tangential the subject of transgenderism becomes very, very emotional, very heated. and there are people out there just looking all the time for anything they can accuse of transphobia, because i don't believe for a second that there's any member of house would of the house who would have in any way thought that that murder wasn't absolute atrocity. any way thought that that murder wasabsolutelyylute atrocity. any way thought that that murder wasabsolutelyylute atrcwe're >> absolutely horrific. we're all human beings and we know how horrible surely horrible that was. so surely starmer known that starmer must have known that sunak wasn't invoking that. and it feels a bit opportunistic. >> i thought it was exactly opportunistic, and i thought, i think it also tells you that he knows that he is vulnerable on this issue because he's said so many ridiculous things about sex and gender. you know, at one point he said only, only 0.1% of

women have a penis. he said that it's wrong to say that only women have a cervix. i mean, this is all nonsense . absolute this is all nonsense. absolute nonsense. it's not just him. i mean, david lammy said he understood that, that trans women can don't have a cervix, but they can grow one. i mean, there is a really. >> yeah. i didn't hear that one. yes. yes . >> yeah. i didn't hear that one. yes. yes. blimey i mean i yes. oh yes. blimey i mean i did, i did hear one politician say that people weren't born with oh yes. with a biological sex. oh yes. >> that was a labour mp. >> that was a labour mp. >> a party >> that was a labour party member as well. there is member as well. so there is a problem and you're outlining it very, clearly. spoke very, very clearly. but i spoke earlier sharon lee earlier to doctor sharon lee from party, who has from the green party, who has won judge did won his case, and the judge did determine he was determine that he was discriminated for against having gender within gender critical views within a political party. will that have any ramifications? maybe for labour? >> i think it's a warning to all of the political parties because, you know, the lib dems are as bad. i mean, ed davey has said that some women have a penis. look at what's happened to the snp. happened, to the snp. what's happened, i think of ideological think is a kind of ideological capture politics,

capture by identity politics, which afraid to which politicians are afraid to stand up to, and it's absolutely remarkable that ideas that were accepted for thousands of years, you know, the idea that people are born with a sex, human beings are born with the sex, and they can't change it. that was accepted until the late late 20th century. yes. and suddenly it becomes something that's, you know, you're accused of being a nazi or a heretic for saying it. >> so the point isn't that ed davey shouldn't allowed to davey shouldn't be allowed to say thing as say there's no such thing as biological or whatever it biological sex or whatever it is, but that is, he said, but rather that other should able to other people should be able to give view, i suppose. give a counter view, i suppose. >> . and that >> absolutely. and that we shouldn't you know, shouldn't actually, you know, the debate has to less the debate has to be less emotional and we not be emotional and we should not be smeared point of smeared for putting our point of view because not who's view because it's not us who's trying to you know, trans trying to stop you know, trans organisations meeting or, you know, people to lose know, calling for people to lose their jobs, know, calling for people to lose theirjobs, be sacked and so on. our side has been actually incredibly clear about, you know, people have the same know, trans people have the same rights and protections as other people in this country. and that's but that's absolutely right. but what they don't have is the right. there people

right. and there are people who advocate they don't advocate for them. they don't have to take over have the right to take over women's and to tell women women's spaces and to tell women that we aren't real women, and that we aren't real women, and that know, that a man makes that you know, that a man makes a woman . i mean, is a better woman. i mean, this is nonsense. a better woman. i mean, this is nonsens> joan smith, thanks ever so much joining thank much for joining me today. thank you . and coming up next on free you. and coming up next on free speech nation, a guest storms off the gb news set . the farmers off the gb news set. the farmers protest steps up a gear and a shocking case of dog napping . shocking case of dog napping. it's almost time for social sensation. see you in a couple of minutes

on mark dolan tonight. >> in my opinion , the push for >> in my opinion, the push for diversity is seeing military bosses recruiting from overseas to hit targets . our national to hit targets. our national security is becoming national insanity. it might take a ten. young people have got nowhere to live and no hope if we don't start building houses and fast , start building houses and fast, this country is finished. plus

ann widdecombe, john sergeant and my top pundit, we're live from nine. welcome back to free speech nation. >> it's time for social sensations. that's the part of the show where we look at what's been going viral on the dreaded internet. so first up, we discussed the countryside, possibly being racist earlier on in show , but sadly, it was in the show, but sadly, it was probably not as entertaining as eamonn aitken's appearance on our breakfast show with steve and ann earlier today. our breakfast show with steve and ann earlier today . let's and ann earlier today. let's have a look at what happened . have a look at what happened. >> sorry guys, i can't hear you . >> sorry guys, i can't hear you. there is no there is no racism . there is no there is no racism. him. you just heard me and i can't hear him. speak a can't hear him. please speak a bit me. please. no bit louder for me. please. no we're going hear this call. we're going to hear this call. >> a halt to this because this is of order. is getting out of order. >> did, huffing and >> no, i did, huffing and puffing the background. well, puffing in the background. well, it's it's. tell you it's fun. it's. i'll tell you what to on this what we like to do on this channel other channel is listen to other people and then try and absorb

them. okay. >> so what i'm going to do is i'm to leave now because i'm going to leave now because i'm going to leave now because i'm not going to let you speak on behalf whole on behalf of the whole entire channel, been channel, because i've been doing. don't doing. yeah, i'm going to don't worry that. a shame worry about that. it's a shame that a shame that that it's a shame that it couldn't finished bit couldn't have finished a bit more cordial. it but it's more cordial. it is. but it's clear where alliances lie. clear where your alliances lie. oh, very much . and oh, my. thank you very much. and stephen, that great. yeah oh, my. thank you very much. and ste thanks1at great. yeah oh, my. thank you very much. and ste thanks1at being eat. yeah oh, my. thank you very much. and ste thanks1at being here.'eah oh, my. thank you very much. and ste thanks1at being here. well, >> thanks for being here. well, pleasure . pleasure. >> won't be back. i can tell >> you won't be back. i can tell you that . you that. >> goodness me. she was so rude . >> goodness me. she was so rude. i mean, like, she was rude dunng i mean, like, she was rude during the interview. not letting the guy speak, being really smug and patronising and condescending and then she has a go at anne diamond, which i'm sorry, be capital sorry, should be a capital offence, right. so offence, right? yeah right. so what make of all this? what do you make of all this? >> yeah. i mean, it's as you say, it's the rudeness it, say, it's the rudeness of it, the it. and it's. the entitlement of it. and it's. and let someone else make their point and then make your point and then you make your point and then you make your point that's how you have point and that's how you have a debate . debate. >> it. why? what's debate. >> with it. why? what's debate. >> with listening|y? what's debate. >> with listening to what's debate. >> with listening to the at's wrong with listening to the other side? wrong with listening to the oth well, a? have wrong with listening to the oth well,a?have no idea. >> well, i have no idea. >> well, i have no idea. >> i know, but you were >> yeah, i know, but you were open for conversation. >> turn the >> i will always turn the other cheek. i'm i cheek. of course. i'm what i would say had a lovely

would say is she had a lovely blouse on. >> no, she looked fantastic. >> no, she looked fantastic. >> oh god, work. right. >> oh my god, work. right. >> oh my god, work. right. >> storming look, it's >> oh my god, work. right. >.bit storming look, it's >> oh my god, work. right. >.bit much.ming look, it's >> oh my god, work. right. >.bit much. it'sg look, it's >> oh my god, work. right. >.bit much. it's a look, it's >> oh my god, work. right. >.bit much. it's a free ook, it's >> oh my god, work. right. >.bit much. it's a free world. s a bit much. it's a free world. >> you can storm off. you're right. is national right. and ireland is a national treasure. absolutely national. have respect, have respect. >> but have respect to the >> but also have respect to the other i don't it. other guests. i don't get it. i don't get okay. know, don't get it. okay. you know, and makes look bad. and also it makes you look bad. it honestly does. >> that's actually. okay. >> that's true actually. okay. there goes . there he goes. >> you know i'm so glad he's gone. oh i know i would gone. he was. oh i know i would have all hollywood. >> she's gone all hollywood. >> she's gone all hollywood. >> okay. so next up we've >> yeah okay. so next up we've got this, video of farmers got this, uh, video of farmers in france doing their of in france doing their version of a protest . oh, no. no . a dirty protest. oh, no. no. so unless you couldn't see that quite the farmers protesting by throwing manure , actually using throwing manure, actually using a whacking great machine to project manure on government buildings . project manure on government buildings. is that too far? i mean, you know. >> yeah, it's a health hazard . >> yeah, it's a health hazard. it's a health hazard because that was the thing you were always told as a child, don't go

near because you'll always told as a child, don't go ne'blind. because you'll always told as a child, don't go ne'blind. yeah because you'll go blind. yeah >> sorry. it was a police >> oh, sorry. it was a police station. myself. station. i must correct myself. it police station, but it was a police station, but nevertheless, someone's gonna have that up. but have to clean that up. but that's whole thing. that's the whole thing. >> always chipping >> when they're always chipping away at buildings and they're spraying away at buildings and they're sprayofg away at buildings and they're spray of stuff, away at buildings and they're sprayof stuff, someone has to kind of stuff, someone has to clean it up. i completely agree with because i completely with you because i completely support with you because i completely supiort with you because i completely supi think they're, you know, >> i think they're, you know, it's really important, but that's health hazard . what that's a health hazard. what about the i mean, would you connect this to when you know, when just stop oil, start throwing paint over everything and everything. and soup over everything. what do that scene >> well, i think that scene reminded a bit of back to the reminded me a bit of back to the future. yes, i know exactly. it's bit, you know, also, it's a bit, you know, also, manure is very expensive. >> is expensive. >> it is expensive. yeah. >> it is expensive. yeah. >> that was primal. primal >> so that was primal. primal manure. yeah. >> they're farmers, they >> so they're farmers, so they probably don't they? >> yeah. fair enough. >> yeah. fair enough. >> manure racist >> it's the manure racist because from the countryside. >> yeah. well probably >> oh yeah. well probably probably. assume probably. let's just assume it is. so been listening to >> so i've been listening to some show. >> so i've been listening to sonyou show. >> so i've been listening to sonyou have show. >> so i've been listening to sonyou have been paying some >> you have been paying some attention. finally, when this little home little girl returned home without her parents without her dog, her parents probably took probably didn't believe who took

off . off with it. you see, dogs are unpredictable and they can kidnap each other. is this not the case, bruce? >> i don't know what happens. >> i don't know what happens. >> you're not a dog, man. >> you're not a dog, man. >> no, no, i was , but she's >> no, no, i was, but she's dead. oh. i'm sorry. thanks for bringing that up. >> oh, for goodness sake. >> oh, for goodness sake. >> you know, three weeks shy of her 17th birthday. but know, whatever. >> sorry. i'm so >> i'm sorry. i'm so insensitive. what about you, josh? it's love. >> it's love. love? they fell in love. went on their love. they went on their honeymoon. beautiful thing. >> i want a dog. or do you? >> i do want a dog. or do you? well, they're wonderful creatures, they? well, they're wonderful cre'i ures, they? well, they're wonderful cre'i had they? well, they're wonderful cre'i had lunch they? well, they're wonderful cre'i had lunch with? well, they're wonderful cre'i had lunch with a corgi >> i had lunch with a corgi today. you? yeah. not today. did you? yeah. not deliberately. just happened deliberately. it just happened to under the table to be a corgi under the table in the eating a nice the place i was eating a nice corgi. they were very and corgi. they were very nice. and i'd family, i said, i'd say to the family, i said, am i able to give them some food? no and i was glad that i hadnt food? no and i was glad that i hadn't beforehand hadn't asked beforehand and given because it given half my beef because it was dry. you'd already done it. >> yeah. oh well, there we go. well, listen, i think well, let's listen, i think we've to talk through we've got time to talk through one your unfiltered dilemmas one of your unfiltered dilemmas every in with every week you email in with your for which i am your problems, for which i am

very grateful. and the first dilemma maggie. dilemma came in from maggie. maggie says, i felt like i was in younger man, in the mood for a younger man, so decided to buy my husband wash in hair dye, then added it to his shampoo without him knowing he is raging. but now i've truly got myself that younger guy i've been dreaming about. trust me, i'm not looking back. did i do wrong? yes no. but if she's saying that he looks better as a result and that he probably wouldn't have doneit that he probably wouldn't have done it himself because he couldn't be bothered . couldn't be bothered. >> consent. andrew you >> lack of consent. andrew you can't have it every way. can't have it every which way. and she was in the mood for a younger man. a about younger man. says a lot about her doesn't it? her moral compass, doesn't it? all years he'd supported all the years he'd supported her. know the man. you do know her. i know the man. you do know him? cliff. richard he's him? yes. cliff. richard he's very men very angry. um no. i hate men with dyed hair. yeah. if with dyed hair. really? yeah. if it's it's fine . it's bleached, it's fine. >> but, you know, when it's the point, say, the point, like you say, it's the point, like you say, it's the point is that he didn't consent to it. no. he didn't. what do you this, josh? you think of this, josh? >> hair. >> i dye my hair. >> i dye my hair. >> you dye your beard >> do you dye your beard as well? beard looks well? your beard looks fantastic. well? your beard looks fantast beard. but actually, >> my beard. but actually, i hadnt >> my beard. but actually, i hadn't focussed on was that you put really good put it. that's a really good idea. in the head and

idea. put it in the head and then full get the then you get full pubes. get the full, full. >> let's go those kind >> let's not go into those kind of details. >> and you were worried about me earlier. how rude. >> you're the i'm normally >> you're the one. i'm normally worried >> you're the one. i'm normally worrieit's outrageous. it's josh week it's outrageous. it's josh howie. think that howie. but i think it's that white hair. josh howie get howie. but i think it's that whigrindr. hair. josh howie get howie. but i think it's that whigrindr. can'. josh howie get howie. but i think it's that whigrindr. can youth howie get howie. but i think it's that whigrindr. can you pleasee get off grindr. can you please behave? if you want to. behave? yeah if you want to. >> if you to find my >> if you want to find my profile on grindr. okay. i'm definitely moving on. >> on. i've >> i'm moving on. let's. i've got to in hand. there got to get this in hand. there is dilemma from is now another dilemma from pamela. pamela for pamela. thank you. pamela for emailing in. pamela says my friend to down to friend was meant to come down to london my 30th, but london for my 30th, but mysteriously the mysteriously fell ill at the airport. that is rubbish airport. i think that is rubbish and she couldn't be bothered. should i her her should i ask her to see her boarding pass does that risk boarding pass or does that risk the ? i think the friendship? i think ultimately comes ultimately when it comes to friendship, you have to trust, don't and have to don't you? yeah. and you have to let lie. yeah. like let your friends lie. yeah. like if pamela's lying because >> well, pamela's lying because it 40th. it was her 40th. >> there you go. >> ah, there you go. >> ah, there you go. >> don't think she has the >> so i don't think she has the moral high ground at all. a boarding what is she in? boarding pass. what is she in? duty free. >> would you even that >> how would you even ask that question? you know, because. doesn't the doesn't that jeopardise the friendship once you're asking those questions? i think those kind of questions? i think the bigger question is, is this a question? a real question? >> don't think anyone >> because i don't think anyone

wants anyone's wants to look at anyone's boarding don't boarding pass. well, i don't know. boarding pass. well, i don't knowthink people who work >> i think people who work for the do they do, but the airline do know they do, but not a social setting like that. >> do em- e m time, i think, for >> we do have time, i think, for one dilemma, came in one more dilemma, this came in from was the name from harold, which was the name i like, and more i really like, and i think more people ought called people ought to be called harold. anyway. bit of an harold. anyway. uh, bit of an awkward particularly awkward one, particularly doctors, should doctors, doctors should be called . called harold. >> oh, bruce devlin . >> oh, bruce devlin. >> oh, bruce devlin. >> uh, i'm having an affair with a younger woman. now she's pregnant , a younger woman. now she's pregnant, and think the pregnant, and i think i'm the father . how do i pregnant, and i think i'm the father. how do i sensitively tell my wife? >> i mean, that would be a difficult conversation. yeah >> i think if people are reasonable and if you're in love, you can get beyond it. >> i would message her on grindr and see what she said . and see what she said. >> i would use that ticket and fly up to edinburgh with the boarding pass. >> is there a way, josh, is there any way that you could, uh , you know, restore the trust in this relationship? >> i fell over repeatedly. >> i fell over repeatedly. >> i'm not asking you to come up with an excuse like that. >> shaggy dyeing my pubes. and i fell over, then rest is fell over, and then the rest is history . so what? history. so what? >> what should what should

>> what should she. what should he should he he do? should he should he should tell firstly? should he tell her firstly? should something? should he say something? no. >> the country >> he should leave the country and both. yeah and leave them both. yeah >> out, just leave >> to find out, just leave a dear john letter. >> his own dearjohn letter. >> his own death. get canoe. >> should he not just wait until the baby's born? yes. >> yeah. then do what it? >> i don't know, just see what it like . because if he it looks like. because if he doesn't like look it, doesn't like the look of it, then to lay then he doesn't have to lay claim to it. >> that how it works? >> is that how it works? >> is that how it works? >> is that how it works? >> i don't know, maybe this. >> i don't know, maybe this. >> you know what? he might actually his wife could be a big fan show. and this fan of the show. yes. and this is the way that he's telling her. and you've just broken the news probably going, her. and you've just broken the nevy look, probably going, her. and you've just broken the nevy look, thatybably going, her. and you've just broken the nevy look, thatybifunnyying, oh, look, isn't that a funny story? then he's like, i see story? and then he's like, i see what you've done there, harold. >> i'm very in >> you see, i'm very useful in this putting out fires this way. i'm putting out fires all the place now. thank all over the place now. thank you much, way, for you so much, by the way, for joining free speech joining us for free speech nafion joining us for free speech nation week. and this was nation this week. and this was the party the week when the green party lost courts. the royal lost in the courts. the royal society literature society of literature failed to support speech, liz support free speech, and liz truss that would truss announced that she would save go for it, liz. save the west, go for it, liz. thank you to my panel. bruce devlin and josh howie and to all of guests this evening. and of my guests this evening. and if you want to join us in

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towards the east and a much dner towards the east and a much drier overall though for drier night overall though for the here the far north—east. here in shetland it is going to be a much one with band much wetter one with that band of rain sweeping through underneath some clear underneath some of those clear spells, temperatures spells, though, temperatures will a low. will just drop off a bit low. single of us, single figures for many of us, and frost is possible. and a patchy frost is possible. first on morning. first thing on monday morning. maybe some icy stretches well maybe some icy stretches as well where showers where we do have those showers around, to see around, we will continue to see those their way those showers pushing their way in. most frequent in. they will be most frequent and northwestern and heaviest for northwestern areas. winds areas. some quite blustery winds around also, but around here at times also, but generally further and generally further east and south. more to south. you're more likely to stay dry throughout day with stay dry throughout the day with a sunny a decent number of sunny spells in as and relatively in there as well, and relatively pleasant the new week. pleasant start to the new week. temperatures around 6 to 11 c is pretty much where we would expect them to be for this time in the year. on tuesday, got an area of low pressure just to the north that will again bring some very showers very breezy, blustery showers for a ridge of for scotland, but a ridge of high allows high pressure allows for a dnen high pressure allows for a drier, start for much of drier, finer start for much of northern ireland, england and wales, sunny wales, with some sunny spells once we will start to once again, but we will start to see thickening from see the cloud thickening up from the outbreaks of the southwest with outbreaks of rain eventually arriving, turning breezier as well. but in amongst of this we amongst all of this we have milder its way in,

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good evening i'm sam francis, live in the gb news room. >> the headlines at 9:00. well, in a call this evening, the us president has urged the israeli prime minister to hold his planned invasion of the gaza city of rafah. joe biden said that it shouldn't go ahead without a credible plan in place to protect the 1 million people seeking shelter. there it follows biden's recent comments that israel's response in gaza is over the top. and here in the uk , the government's also uk, the government's also warning there would be catastroph consequences for

civilians if an assault on rafah goes ahead . however, the israeli goes ahead. however, the israeli prime told prime minister has told reporters today enough of reporters today that enough of the 132 remaining hostages are alive to warrant that ground invasion . earlier tanks and invasion. earlier tanks and bulldozers could be seen operating along the israel—gaza border, and it comes after at least 44 people, including several children, died yesterday in what the palestinians have claimed was an israeli air strike here in the uk. the family of murdered teenager brianna ghey have been holding a vigil today to mark the first anniversary of her death . anniversary of her death. earlier, i spoke to our north—west of england reporter, sophie reaper, who was at that gathering. well one year on from the tragic death of brianna ghey, hundreds of people have gathered here in warrington for a vigil in her memory. >> we heard from several of brianna's friends who spoke, bringing tears to the eyes of the crowd as they remembered their friend. we also heard from their friend. we also heard from

the head teacher at brianna ghey