. yes, minister, rishi sunak. yes, indeed. we've got a special programme for you tonight. we are going to talk all things rishi. i've got alongside me matthew goodwin, aaron bastani , matthew goodwin, aaron bastani, lots to talk about before we get stuck in. let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, the prime minister has been defending today his government's action on the economy , insisting it is now the economy, insisting it is now turning a corner on a visit to yorkshire . earlier, he yorkshire. earlier, he acknowledged it has been a difficult few years for households . data published later households. data published later this week will show whether or not the uk has slipped into a technical recession. rishi sunak didn't say, though , whether that didn't say, though, whether that would end the prospect of tax cuts . cuts. >> the last couple of years have been undoubtedly difficult for

the country and the economy . the country and the economy. recovering from covid, the war in ukraine, the impact on energy bills. but at the start of this year , i really believe that the year, i really believe that the economy has turned a corner and we're heading the right we're heading in the right direction. can see inflation direction. you can see inflation has down 11% 4. has come down from 11% to 4. mortgage rates starting to mortgage rates are starting to come down. wages have been rising. now because rising. consistent now because of economic circumstances of the economic circumstances are we've been able are improving. we've been able to taxes . to cut taxes. >> meanwhile, if you're watching on television , take a look at on television, take a look at these live pictures coming to us from the upper chamber in westminster. the house of lords currently prime currently debating the prime minister's safety of rwanda bill, which is therefore further discussion and we're told, faces fairly strong opposition. a joint committee made up of mps and peers says the law is fundamentally in compatible with the uk's human rights obugafions. the uk's human rights obligations . the house of lords obligations. the house of lords will be voting on a series of amendments designed to weaken rishi sunak's legislation to deport asylum seekers to the east african nation . meanwhile, east african nation. meanwhile, two suspected migrants have been

caught entering the country illegally hiding in the luggage compartment of a school bus. police were called when the men, thought to be in their 20s, were found in the lower suitcase area at the bottom of the coach. on the return leg of a journey to southampton from france. it's understood one of the men tried to run away, but was stopped by parents who had been waiting to pick up children . the pick up their children. the double child rapist and murderer colin fitch falk has had a new parole hearing granted , he parole hearing granted, he successfully challenged a decision in december which ruled he should be kept in prison. pitchfork was jailed for life for a minimum time to serve of 30 years, which was reduced to 28 for killing 15 year olds. linda mann and dawn ashworth in the 1980s, the justice secretary, alex chalk , is secretary, alex chalk, is seeking an urgent meeting with the parole board following the decision to reconsider his case. the foreign secretary says israel should stop and think

seriously before taking further action in south of gaza . his action in south of gaza. his comments came after israeli forces rescued two hostages dunng forces rescued two hostages during a raid in rafah. fernando maman and lewis hare were among more than 200 kidnapped on october. the seventh last year. the operation to free them was coordinated with air strikes. the hamas run, the hamas run health ministry says 67 palestine lions were killed . palestine lions were killed. israel's prime minister, benjamin netanyahu says pressure will continue until there's total victory against hamas here. both the labour leader , here. both the labour leader, sir keir starmer, and lord cameron have voiced their concerns about the prospect of a military offensive in rafah. we are very concerned about the situation and we want israel to stop and think very seriously before it takes any further action. >> but above all, what we want is an immediate pause in the fighting and we want that pause to lead to a ceasefire, a sustainable ceasefire without a return to further fighting.

that's what should happen now. we need to get those hostages out, including the british nationals. we need to get the aid in. the best way to do that is stop the fighting now and turn that into a permanent, sustainable ceasefire . sustainable ceasefire. >> now the uk has also sanctioned four extremist israeli settlers for attacking palestine in the west bank. the foreign office saying financial and travel restrictions have been imposed for abuses of human rights. lord cameron says forcing palestinians off land thatis forcing palestinians off land that is rightfully theirs is illegal and unacceptable . the illegal and unacceptable. the royal navy aircraft carrier hms prince of wales has now left portsmouth harbour following a failed attempt at the weekend. the £3 billion warship is now on its way to norway to take part in the largest nato exercise since the cold war . it was in the largest nato exercise since the cold war. it was due to set off yesterday, but no reason was given for the last minute delay. it was called into action a week ago after the hms

queen elizabeth was forced to cancelits queen elizabeth was forced to cancel its deployment because of a problem with her propeller. now, in case you didn't know, in the united states, the nfl super bowl, which generates millions of pounds in advertising revenue , saw success for the kansas city chiefs last night. detective defending the title. they beat the san francisco 40 niners 2522. pop star taylor swift cheers from the crowd before joining her boyfriend travis kelce on the field, the pair celebrating under a shower of confetti. audience figures will be confirmed later , but will be confirmed later, but broadcasters believe the combination of taylor swift and the nfl will have produced the biggest tv audience in america since neil armstrong set foot on the moon for the very latest news stories, do sign up for gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. carmelites . news. carmelites.

well thanks for that, polly. >> i am michelle dewberry. this is dewbs & co and as i mentioned is dewbs& co and as i mentioned right at the start, look at this. we are out and about. right at the start, look at this. we are out and about . yes, this. we are out and about. yes, indeed we are live from county durham. where? get this just under two hours time. our prime minister rishi sunak will be here to answer your questions . here to answer your questions. yes, indeed. this is the first gb news people's forum in this election year. this room behind me, to the sides of me will be absolutely packed full. it will be full of people that are currently undecided voters who have no idea who on earth they are going to vote for. i mean, i can tell you right now, you guys at home, so many of you will be in that camp. so tell me, what do you want to hear them talk about tonight? if you were here in this room and you were putting question to rishi, putting a question to rishi, what that question and what would that question be? and also, would like to what would that question be? and also, his would like to what would that question be? and also, his answer! like to what would that question be? and also, his answer being.ike to what would that question be? and also, his answer being ?e to what would that question be? and also, his answer being ? s0) what would that question be? and also, his answer being ? so yes, see? his answer being? so yes, here we are. we are the warmer packs and we're very glamorous because just me. look

because it's not just me. look who else i've got keeping me company i have got my company tonight. i have got my at the professor of at goodwin, the professor of politics of kent politics at university of kent and also the co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. good evening to you both, gents. and you know the drill. as i've just said, it's not just about us. it's about you at home as well. so you can get in touch all the usual ways. gb views at gb news. com or you can tweet or text me at gb news. there is so much i want to focus on tonight. it's a rishi sunak special. much i want to focus on tonight. it's a rishi sunak special . what it's a rishi sunak special. what a treat. should we start then? perhaps by casting our mind back ? many people you get in touch with me night after night. many of you all say, but hold on, michelle, this rishi sunak fella is as members . we is on elected as members. we didn't even actually want him in the place. here are harsh the first place. here are harsh bunch there's truth to bunch, but there's some truth to this. you actually look, this. when you actually look, matt the logistics this matt at the logistics of this because liz truss and sunak ultimately as those guys head to head and yes, sunak was the mps choice. but when it came to the next stage, the member vote, it

was actually liz truss who got that. so i think a lot of people still feel slightly bruised. if you like. um, and feeling actually my vote didn't matter about who was the leader. >> i think that's absolutely spot on. there's always been this question about legitimacy around the rishi sunak, uh, appointment . you know, he was appointment. you know, he was chosen by his fellow mps. it wasn't the grassroots . there wasn't the grassroots. there wasn't the grassroots. there wasn't a very strong mandate for rishi and that has always rishi sunak. and that has always been a sort of ticking time bomb at the heart of his premiership. it's always really doubt it's always really thrown doubt over just how popular is this guy conservative activists guy among conservative activists members and the party faithful. and course, what we've seen and of course, what we've seen since was appointed at the since he was appointed at the end a sharp decline end of 2022 is a sharp decline in his popularity out there in the wider country as well. so it's not only that he's he's been seen as a sort of, i guess, a i don't want to say the leader of a coup inside the conservative party. but he's always been seen as somebody that there that maybe wasn't there under proper circumstances. that maybe wasn't there under pro indeed jmstances. that maybe wasn't there under pro indeed .nstances. that maybe wasn't there under pro indeed . and 1ces. that maybe wasn't there under pro indeed . and i'm. that maybe wasn't there under pro indeed . and i'm going to come >> indeed. and i'm going to come on country and i'm going to come on country and i'm going to come on a second, because

on to in a second, because one of things want to talk of the things i want to talk about all well and good about is all well and good saying about how he got here, but second you, i want but in a second with you, i want to explore polling and look at what that picture looks like. but aaron, but for now, aaron, your thoughts terms of how we pick thoughts in terms of how we pick our how process our leaders, how that process works. things. it's not just >> so two things. it's not just sunak we should be thinking about got a foreign about here. he's got a foreign secretary, cameron, not about here. he's got a foreign secreanv, cameron, not about here. he's got a foreign secre an mp. cameron, not about here. he's got a foreign secrean mp. he'sameron, not about here. he's got a foreign secrean mp. he's gotron, not even an mp. he's got a chancellor of the exchequer, jeremy hunt, a serial loser. when comes to conservative when it comes to conservative party leadership so party leadership elections. so you coterie at the you really have a coterie at the top of conservative party, top of the conservative party, very unrepresentative top of the conservative party, very actually1representative top of the conservative party, very actually of presentative top of the conservative party, very actually of theirntative just actually of their activists, but of what people voted for in their droves in 2019. think that's 2019. and i think that's a bigger problem. you know, if sunak was the cherry on the top of cake and actually the of the cake and actually the rest project was broadly rest of the project was broadly in with the kinds of in line with the kinds of policies politics they were advancing general advancing in the last general election. i don't think people would so much, there would mind so much, but there has metaphorically, let's has been metaphorically, let's say, coup terms of policy. say, a coup in terms of policy. that's coup. that's certainly been a coup. the only they've really the only thing they've really not a dramatic. the only thing they've really not no, dramatic. the only thing they've really not no, don'tatic. the only thing they've really not no, don't think it is. >> no, i don't think it is. >> no, i don't think it is. >> no, i don't think it is. in 2019. um the reason why, in my

estimation, the reason why boris johnson gets massive johnson gets this massive majority offering majority is he's offering transformation, levelling up, deaung transformation, levelling up, dealing with regional inequality , taking out of london. , taking power out of london. and i look at sunak, i look at cameron, hunt. and cameron, i look at hunt. and i think that is more of the same. that's more power in westminster. is the opposite westminster. it is the opposite of formula, which was so of the formula, which was so alluring to the electorate five years alluring to the electorate five yeawell, just briefly on >> well, what just briefly on that. when when we that. you know, when we when we think what is sunak think about isms, what is sunak ism? i do actually agree ism? and i do actually agree with you in the sense that he's too technocratic. he's very wooden, he's bit of a nerd. wooden, he's a bit of a nerd. he's really into policy, which is he's not is a good thing. but he's not very good at communicating to the country. see how the wider country. let's see how he tonight with the he does tonight with the undecided but the undecided voters. but at the same time, think aaron's right same time, i think aaron's right in post brexit. what voters in that post brexit. what voters in that post brexit. what voters in later, i suspect in this room later, i suspect will looking where is will be looking for is where is the vision, where is the the big vision, where is the change immigration? where change on immigration? where is the the political the change on the political economy? where's the economy? where where's the levelling up? where's all the stuff we were promised after brexit, was brexit, which of course was never to leave the never just a vote to leave the european union. it was vote european union. it was a vote for a completely different country, a completely different political

country, a completely different politic understood really understood that? >> you think at >> well, what do you think at home? do you think he's understood was talking understood that? i was talking to a taxi driver on the way in the front of all knowledge, i've got to say, i asked him, who got to say, and i asked him, who did you vote for in the last election? and he said, voted election? and he said, i voted for johnson. said, why? for boris johnson. i said, why? and i've got to say, if and he said, i've got to say, if for real policy reasons, but for no real policy reasons, but just thought seemed like just thought he seemed like a good was more about good guy. it was more about personality the personality than lots of the things that you've just been talking about. you are talking about. lots of you are getting with me now. getting in touch with me now. you're me the kind of you're telling me the kind of questions that you would be putting rishi sunak if you putting to rishi sunak if you were clive says, can were here? clive says, can i just voted twice just say i've voted twice against sunak ? you're against rishi sunak? you're a harsh man, clive. would you get up point that out to him if up and point that out to him if you here tonight? lots of you were here tonight? lots of you were here tonight? lots of you kevin says. i'd you are asking kevin says. i'd be a question about be asking a question about defence. richard be defence. yes, richard will be asking . paul, asking one about the nhs. paul, why can't we abolish the house of lords? heidi, should we keep spending money to ukraine? of course . migration that's coming course. migration that's coming up a lot as well. so keep your thoughts coming in. but let's fast forward to current day then

. uh, you know, your polls inside and out. what does the picture look like currently for rishi sunak? yeah. >> well what was interesting is when team sunak came in, remember were told the adults remember we were told the adults were back in charge because you just johnson just had boris johnson and partygate you'd liz partygate and you'd had liz truss and the conservatives collapsing polls. the big collapsing in the polls. the big promise was that promise for sunak was, was that he's would get the he's the guy that would get the party back together. for now, if you the polls on every you look at the polls on every measure strength, the measure of party strength, the conservatives weaker today conservatives are weaker today than when rishi sunak than they were when rishi sunak took over their national poll rating has collapsed. they're not trusted on any single issue over the labour party , maybe over the labour party, maybe with the exception of defence. but nobody, to be honest, is going to vote at the next election based on what happens in ukraine or the middle east. his ratings are now at a record low. he trails behind keir starmer on every measure of leadership. he's only won one one the elections that one of the by elections that they and that was boris they face, and that was boris johnson's arguably the johnson's seat. so arguably the johnson's seat. so arguably the johnson factor was probably more relevant the rishi relevant there than the rishi sunak factor. so i'd be saying to people in team to all those people in team

sunak, look, you said the adults were back in charge. well, well where's where's where's the turnaround? where's the story here? there the comeback story here? there isn't is that fair? isn't one, is that fair? >> i think that's entirely fair. there's no umph. you know, you talked boris in talked about boris johnson in 2019 taxi driver lot 2019 and that taxi driver a lot of people for boris of people voted for boris johnson. look, the things johnson. look, partly the things i've that's the subtext i've said. that's the subtext overtly i want to be proud overtly it's i want to be proud of my country. this guy has some character, some tenacity. he's got something about him. and again, think those are again, i think those are all things frankly, people things that, frankly, people would rishi sunak. would not say about rishi sunak. not about keir not they're saying about keir starmer, way, i think starmer, by the way, i think most make the exact most people would make the exact same criticisms of starmer than sunak. point is they sunak. but the point is they would after years, would say, well, after 14 years, let's guys let's give the other guys a crack the whip. i think crack of the whip. i think that's the default right now. on the polling, my goodness, michelle, know, it really michelle, you know, it really can't overstated bad can't be overstated how bad things on things are for the tories on poll after poll. they're in the low is the worst low to mid 20s is the worst general result for the general election result for the conservative history conservative party in history was 1906. think they got 156 was 1906. i think they got 156 seats right now they're getting less than that. and so people love to say jeremy corbyn, the worst result for labour since

1930. forget all that . the worst 1930. forget all that. the worst result for the tory party ever. if they could. this is just my opinion. and look, there's a long time until the next general election. if the tories can even get 31, which is what john get to 31, which is what john major gets in 1997, i think where we right now, that where we are right now, that would an accomplishment. would be an accomplishment. >> just just briefly on that as well. average rating of well. the average poll rating of the government net satisfaction is minus 65. if you want a metric for that in the royal family, prince andrew's rating is —65. that's kind of where rishi sunaks government is in the popularity . the popularity. >> these things can change, though, can't they? on a sixpence. so something can happen and immediately people's view think, view can actually think, well, actually know if actually he's i don't know if rishi came out tonight and rishi sunak came out tonight and said, i'm going said, you know what? i'm going to a national emergency. to declare a national emergency. i'm start back, i'm going to start pushing back, turning these boats in the turning back. these boats in the channel turning back. these boats in the channel, then you channel, and then you went around people you asked around to people and you asked them, what's your them, you know, what's your vision the leader? vision in terms of the leader? i reckon would actually reckon that would actually bolster rishi sunak. >> okay, so there's one way in which around, which he turns this around, which he turns this around, which squeezes all of the

which he squeezes all of the undecided that here undecided voters that are here tonight, the people that tonight, all of the people that are saying, the way, are also saying, by the way, they for the reform they might vote for the reform party, is on now about 12% party, which is on now about 12% in he gets all of in the polls. he gets all of those people back. how does he do what's their number one do that? what's their number one issue? reducing issue? stop the boats reducing eliminating illegal migration if he does that, sure. but that means going to have means he's going to have to leave the the european leave the echr the european courts. means he's going to courts. it means he's going to have overturn or reform the have to overturn or reform the human it means he's human rights act. it means he's going to what many going to have to do what many conservatives wanted their party to an seat majority, to do with an 80 seat majority, which was completely changed. the by the foundation that was left by tony blair and new labour reform, the equalities act reform, the equalities act reform, human rights and reform, the human rights act and the time time the conservatives time and time again have shown themselves unwilling the genuinely unwilling to be the genuinely radical revolutionary party that they told the country they would be after brexit. so i suspect all these voters, michelle, are going look at rishi sunak going to look at rishi sunak with a lot of scepticism and going to look at rishi sunak with are ot of scepticism and going to look at rishi sunak with are you scepticism and going to look at rishi sunak with are you reallyicism and going to look at rishi sunak with are you really then and going to look at rishi sunak with are you really the guyd say, are you really the guy that's going deliver that that's going to deliver that kind change? kind of watershed change? >> will obviously be >> well, he will obviously be hoping the answer to that hoping that the answer to that question is a big fat yes. uh, lil, look at this. i've just

read mind. be saying read your mind. you'd be saying to are you not to rishi sunak, why are you not calling a national, um, calling for a national, um, emergency? basically to protect the this country from the people of this country from uncontrolled illegal migration. ian graham says you'd be asking him about why on earth did you cancel and then , uh, carry cancel hs2? and then, uh, carry on about . levelling up? on talking about. levelling up? brian, you're saying, michelle, the question is simple. why aren't you putting the armed forces to patrol our forces out there to patrol our immediate borders in the channel? i mean, i've got to say, there's a big, uh, cross section. um, in terms of topics , section. um, in terms of topics, you are spanning pretty much everything at the moment. i'm interested in your thoughts as well about both of these guys saying a second ago that actually they think that rishi sunak lacks oomph . do you agree sunak lacks oomph. do you agree with that? that what we with that? and is that what we actually need in this country a little bit more oomph, you little bit more oomph, or do you think need a little bit more think we need a little bit more calm stability? me tell me your thoughts on that. says. thoughts on that. arnie says. can i say i voted boris at can i just say i voted boris at the last general election, but not this time around. uh absolutely you say it is absolutely not. you say it is reform you . well, tell me,

reform for you. well, tell me, how will you be voting in this next election? and also, i want to know how is your position right and then back in right now and then get back in touch me as well. at the touch with me as well. at the end of sunak people's forum end of the sunak people's forum and whether not he and tell me whether or not he changed your mind. now you'll all be familiar with the fact that promised sydney that rishi sunak promised sydney five pledges. do you remember what were he not? what they are, were he not? i shall be reminding you of them after break will be after the break and we will be looking at and asking how looking at those and asking how on has got on with

enforcement, you're listening to gb news radio . gb news radio. >> hi, rishi here as prime minister, i'm focussed on delivering your priorities . so delivering your priorities. so tonight i'll be on the road to join gb news for a special people's forum where i'll be taking questions from a live audience about the issues that really matter to you the economy, immigration and the nhs. see you there .

nhs. see you there. >> hi there , this is dewbs& co >> hi there, this is dewbs& co with me, michelle dewberry. we are out on location with a warm up act. everyone for the big man rishi sunak himself when he will be taking questions from you, the great british public live here in this very room. exciting stuff alongside me. i have got the professor of politics at the university of kent, matt goodwin, and the co—founder of novara media, aaron baston . now, novara media, aaron baston. now, uh, you remember those five pledges? i'm assuming you remember. i'll recap if you don't. this is what rishi sunak promised to achieve. he said he was going to halve . inflation was going to halve. inflation also, he was going to grow the economy. he was going to get debt falling. he was going to cut nhs waiting lists and remember this one. he was going to stop the boats. yeah. right um, look, you know what? if i was a school teacher, i would not be marking strong marks right now among pretty much all of these pledges. i mean, where

shall we start? should we just pick inflation to be the first one? okay, some would argue that he has met that target. i mean, of course we've got new inflation figures coming out this week . it's expected to rise this week. it's expected to rise again . um, and of course rishi again. um, and of course rishi sunak will be on track to get a kicking over that one. >> well the first thing to say is if you look at elections around the world over the last two years, inflation has basically defeated and or dramatically every dramatically weakened every incumbent leader in government. right from argentina to sweden, france , even joe biden lost the france, even joe biden lost the house. so if you look globally, inflation is a real killer for incumbents now. yes, it's coming down for rishi sunak. that's good but he's not actually good news. but he's not actually in control this is in control of that. this is about global trends. it's about global factors. the other thing that you can't have that i would say you can't have it is he can't take credit it all is he can't take credit when goes down then when when it goes down and then when it's wrong way, go, it's going the wrong way, go, well not control of that. well i'm not in control of that. but this brings me to but but this brings me to exactly was about to exactly the point i was about to make. if you ask voters who make. so if you ask voters who was to blame for inflation, they

said rishi and the said rishi sunak and the government. if you say to government. now, if you say to them, is inflation falling? them, why is inflation falling? who for that they who do you credit for that they say events. so can't say global events. so he can't win this and on the economy win on this and on the economy on this sort of cost of living crisis which is linked to inflation. voters inflation. most voters out there, about two thirds are saying, um, the economy, my economic saying, um, the economy, my econ0|and it's going worse and it's going to be worse, even worse, year from woi'se, even worse, a year from now worse, even worse, a year from now than it is today. they're now than it is today. so they're not decline in not feeling this decline in inflation. that's the big problem sunak rishi sorry problem for sunak as rishi sorry as reagan once said, the as ronald reagan once said, the key question at any election is are you better off than you were four years ago? and if keir starmer just four years ago? and if keir starmerjust asks four years ago? and if keir starmer just asks rishi four years ago? and if keir starmerjust asks rishi sunak about over and over and over again, the country is going to say no, aaron, i think that's absolutely spot on. >> inflation point. it is >> on the inflation point. it is important that let's say we have an election october, mortgage an election in october, mortgage rates, will be rates, interest rates will be significantly lower, we hope, and that does make something of and that does make something of a will feel a difference. people will feel differently politics. yes. differently about politics. yes. on growth flatlining national debt that's going to go up over the next five years. nhs waiting lists. well, i think in, uh,

november it was 7.61 million operations. in december it was 7.60 million. so basically standing still on on small boats, we can talk about that more in a moment. so if you were grading this like a school report, three out of ten, three out of ten, and i don't quite know. and this is the question i put to you guys on the small boats thing. has a decent boats thing. he has a decent story to say on inflation that is now completely lost because he he never, ever he made promises he never, ever could keep. >> well, i'm going to come on to, stopping the boats to, um, the stopping the boats one that's a key one because i know that's a key topic for you guys at home as well, also this week we've well, but also this week we've got gdp figures out, got the latest gdp figures out, many people now saying that essentially enter a essentially we'll enter into a technical recession. do you think will impact people's think that will impact people's thought process because people already they feel the pinch, whatever you call it, whether it's a technical recession or not, your point, not, like to your point, earlier, feel that earlier, people feel that they've less money to spend , they've got less money to spend, they've got less money to spend, they feel less wealthy. >> think a lot of this is >> i think a lot of this is already priced in. i think most people out there feel feel that the is going be worse

the future is going to be worse than present , the future is going to be worse than present, and the than the present, and the present already than present is already worse than the a focus groups the past. i run a focus groups all the time. a bit like the group we're having tonight with the undecided and rishi the undecided voters and rishi sunak. group sunak. i had a focus group recently in stoke on trent. another of the wall, another part of the red wall, and people crying in focus and people are crying in focus groups when they're talking about position. groups when they're talking about i position. groups when they're talking about i to position. groups when they're talking about i to get>sition. groups when they're talking about i to get to ion. groups when they're talking about i to get to the end how am i going to get to the end of the and it isn't of the month? and it isn't actually mortgages, it's actually just mortgages, it's local tax bills. it's local council tax bills. it's the price of food. it's school uniforms. forget holidays uniforms. forget about holidays and so, you know, and luxury items. so, you know, jemmy carville, to jemmy carville, once said to bill clinton it's the bill clinton said, it's the economy, stupid. ultimately, every back to every election comes back to that. now, that's not quite the case around. i'd say case this time around. i'd say it's stupid, and it's the economy, stupid, and it's the economy, stupid, and it's stupid . it's also it's security stupid. it's also small boats, illegal migration and crime. but on this issue , and crime. but on this issue, you know, rishi sunak really is facing a country that says things are getting worse. the country is moving in the wrong direction. and i want a change in westminster. and if there's one question pollster can ask one question a pollster can ask that taps into the mood of a country, it's is it time for a change in the centre of power in westminster and most people say,

yes. >> is it you tell me. at home, the nhs, of course, will be a big one as well. one of the things i suspect rishi sunak will be saying, well, hold on a second. it's not me. i'm doing my best to bring the waiting list down. pesky list down. it's those pesky junior doctors. of course. we just going just heard they'll be going on strike imminently strike again imminently for another days. you think another five days. do you think that's fair rebuttal to blame that's a fair rebuttal to blame it on the junior doctors ? it on the junior doctors? >> not at all. knew that >> no, not at all. he knew that industrial action likely. industrial action was likely. i think a get out of jail think it's a get out of jail card politically, card for him politically, perhaps, don't think it's perhaps, but i don't think it's a one. when you make a serious one. when you make a promise or a pledge, you obviously have to include mitigate will mitigate getting factors. i will do course there are do this. but of course there are these other headwinds which may stop that into the stop me. you build that into the plan or you don't make the promise in the first place. you don't say, sorry, don't then say, well, sorry, guv, happened. we knew guv, this happened. well we knew that was happening. guv, this happened. well we knew tha buts happening. guv, this happened. well we knew tha buts hiyou�*ning. guv, this happened. well we knew tha buts hiyou think these >> but do you think these extended, um, strikes are political some political in some way? >> look, they want a pay >> well, look, they want a pay rise, particularly with junior doctors. we have a problem. insomuch lots of them leave insomuch as lots of them leave the profession. increasingly they you can say they go abroad. now, you can say they go abroad. now, you can say they more or they don't they deserve more or they don't deserve regardless of

deserve more. regardless lots of them leave, and it's a bottleneck terms labour bottleneck in terms of labour supply going into the nhs with 48,000 short we 48,000 nurses short too. so we have crisis have a big staffing crisis generally, and don't think generally, and i don't think they've the resources. they've allocated the resources. whatever your views this, to whatever your views on this, to actually meet the pledges they made quickly , by the way, in made and quickly, by the way, in the economy, really want to the economy, i really want to say there's pub in say this. there's a pub in portsmouth called george portsmouth called the george inn. around since the inn. it's been around since the 18th just closed. 18th century. it's just closed. this . this pub. >> surely you're not going to blame that on rishi. >> hold this pub. they >> hold on. this this pub. they say the pub. the luftwaffe say we're the pub. the luftwaffe are missed. well, you know what? didn't was didn't miss them was the conservative party >> blaming your the >> so you're blaming your the closure of. i don't know it's closure of. i don't know if it's your not on sunak your local or not on rishi sunak they would say they've not had enough support. >> you know in germany was >> you know in germany there was a deal with the cost a vat cut to deal with the cost of living crisis. people of living crisis. again people can or wrong, there can say right or wrong, there has been so little for has been so little help for hospitality, for high streets, for living. for the cost of living. >> i mean, defence of >> yeah, i mean, in defence of rishi been so little rishi sunak has been so little help. he would say is, you help. what he would say is, you know, was also the chancellor know, he was also the chancellor who oversaw the furlough program, £400 program, who spanked £400 billion companies billion on helping companies out, help out, etc.

>> so he money and it >> so he spent money and it still happening. so he's obviously spent wisely. obviously not spent it wisely. but interesting is but what's also interesting is despite all of that, despite doing all of that, despite doing all of that, despite of that despite throwing all of that money there the money out there into the economy, despite arguably contributing economy, despite arguably cont nowing economy, despite arguably cont now leading one of the still now leading one of the most unpopular governments in the history of polling . the history of polling. >> and, you know, no matter what he does now, actually he does now, i think actually it's going to be the political equivalent of climbing mount everest to get out of this hole. for the conservatives, this is what i would call a generational problem this political problem for this political party. one election party. this isn't a one election problem. a party that is problem. this is a party that is generationally, i think, going to of power. to be out of power. >> let's talk then , shall we, >> let's talk then, shall we, about the boats, because about stop the boats, because that actually, that is a big one. actually, you'll yourself as well. it you'll know yourself as well. it comes quite in comes really quite high in polling, certainly comes polling, and it certainly comes quite the conversations quite high in the conversations that you guys at that i have with you guys at home. single night. um, do home. every single night. um, do you think sunak has done you think rishi sunak has done enough on that? well it clearly matters to conservative voters. >> clearly matters to his >> it clearly matters to his activists. i think it's not just, way, on illegal just, by the way, on illegal migration, legal to an irony of irony that despite the irony is that despite the rhetoric braverman

rhetoric from suella braverman and priti patel when it comes to immigration in this country, the two liberal home two most liberal home secretaries in the history of the united kingdom were priti patel suella braverman , patel and suella braverman, which striking. which is absolutely striking. and to it goes to it and it goes to it goes to it means one thing in particular with politics don't listen to what say. watch what they what they say. watch what they do, what do. do, watch what they do. >> i'll tell you who does do quite lot actually. joining me quite a lot actually. joining me live westminster, our very live from westminster, our very own nigel farage. good evening to you're getting to you, nigel. you're getting ready show at 7:00. big ready for your show at 7:00. big night for rishi sunak tonight, isn't it? yes it really is. >> and the format's fascinating because basically stephen will introduce it and then it's rishi with the microphone and the audience . so stephen dixon will audience. so stephen dixon will only intervene if he has to. this means what sunak's got to do is command and control that audience. and believe you me, thatis audience. and believe you me, that is not an easy thing to do. if people don't think you fully answered their questions. so to see his strength of character in

front of an audience that will be questioning some will be very critical. that's going to be the key to whether he can succeed tonight . tonight. >> indeed. and i'll be looking forward to your show. nigel, at 7:00 tonight. anyway. bring it back here. um, back to this. stop the boat campaign, then. do you think he's done enough, matt? >> no, i don't think he has. and if you ask voters, how do they think the sunak government is doing on illegal migration and stopping the boats? about 85% will say badly. they don't think this is controlling this government is controlling the do agree with the borders. they do agree with suella braverman that britain is facing invasion. i've polled facing an invasion. i've polled that specific that framing that specific word, that framing , and they're angry. they're upset. we've had the abdul ezedi case. we've got of case. we've got a number of scandals in the country about illegal going on to illegal migrants going on to commit serious crimes. the commit serious crimes. and the british have every right british people have every right to say they want their government to give them strong borders that that provide security to the british people. now, sunak has got to basically make a decision . what he's doing make a decision. what he's doing so far is not turning the boats.

we've got 1500 people who have arrived already. this year. so we're back to the 2022 numbers, which were higher than the 2023 numbers. i think this summer is going difficult for sunak. going to be difficult for sunak. he's to make he's going to have to make a decision. does he want leave decision. does he want to leave the convention human the european convention on human rights he want to actually rights does he want to actually go country and say it's go to the country and say it's time change the legal time to change the legal architecture that surrounds our national security? because it was made for a very different era. it's not allowing us to give the british people what they michel, which is they deserve. michel, which is security safety. and you security and safety. and do you think he's got the chops to do that? >> no. i think in the in the short tum there might pay a heavy for saying we want heavy price for saying we want out of the echr we have a problem with the supreme court in i think long in this country. i think long terms in their best terms it's in their best interests. know, he's not interests. you know, he's not being honest voters being honest with his voters because the things because all of the things they're saying simply aren't possible supreme court possible with the supreme court as and won't dare say as it is. and he won't dare say that my god, will that because, my god, that will be hell of a lot of effort to be a hell of a lot of effort to change it. >> what this notion, then, >> what about this notion, then, of back the boats, of turning back the boats, pushing the boats? whatever

pushing back the boats? whatever rhetoric to do you pushing back the boats? whatever rhet0|that to do you pushing back the boats? whatever rhet0|that is to do you pushing back the boats? whatever rhet0|that is a to do you pushing back the boats? whatever rhet0|that is a solution do you pushing back the boats? whatever rhet0|that is a solution that you pushing back the boats? whatever rhet0|that is a solution that wer think that is a solution that we should exploring? should be exploring? >> well, i go back to what >> well, look, i go back to what i said previously. you've got net this country net immigration to this country the two years, 1.3 million, the last two years, 1.3 million, i yean the last two years, 1.3 million, i year, small boats i think last year, small boats were so look, would were 60,000. so look, you would say too many. 1.3 million say 60,000 too many. 1.3 million is a lot of people. and so i think there are two levels here. of illegal migration. of course, on illegal migration. that's conspicuous that's far more conspicuous to people it's illegal. but people because it's illegal. but i think also they feel general misgivings legal and misgivings about both legal and illegal misgivings about both legal and illeyeah, but there is a real >> yeah, but there is a real strength of feeling, though, because if someone actually appues because if someone actually applies country, applies to this country, they come they a, come in, they they fill a, a role where apparently we've not been to fill with workers been able to fill with workers in they've in this country. they've followed they've followed the process, they've waited they've not waited their turn, they've not jumped one jumped the queue. that's one thing. can you know, thing. and you can be, you know, you can have a view about that. but actually seeing people in there, if you saw there, i don't know if you saw there, i don't know if you saw the today, uh, ladies and the story today, uh, ladies and gents home, did you see the gents at home, did you see the school bus that coach that came over and two stowaways, over and it had two stowaways, apparently the in the luggage apparently in the in the luggage rack. is out of rack. i mean, it is out of control now, matt, you want to come in? >> the one thing would say is, >> the one thing i would say is, is is right, actually.

is aaron is right, actually. i mean, look at the bigger mean, if you look at the bigger story that's unfolding in the country is something country and this is something that rishi hasn't that that rishi sunak hasn't really that much, really talked about that much, and i've talked to people in his cabinet said, aren't you cabinet and said, why aren't you talking it is legal talking about this? it is legal migration. i say migration. and the reason i say that johnson, liz truss that is boris johnson, liz truss and sunak promised us high and rishi sunak promised us high skill, highly skill, high wage, highly selective immigration policy that in the words that would give us, in the words of the of the of johnson, the best of the best, the brightest best, best of the brightest global talent. what we now know from the data we actually got from the data is we actually got low wage , low skill, low wage, low skill, non—selective migration, which is increase rapidly. is going to increase rapidly. another 6.6 million people by 2036, 6.1 million of those people, because of immigration, the rest because of the natural growth of our population. we've got a housing crisis that nobody has got serious answer to. has got a serious answer to. we're talking about supply. we're talking about supply. we're about demand . we're not talking about demand. we've pressure we've got unprecedented pressure on the nhs, an issue , by the on the nhs, an issue, by the way, that i just think rishi sunak can never win on the nhs relative to labour. that will always be labour's issue. so that leaves him with migration. but where is the strategy for

here legal migration? how are we going to go from 700,000 net migration? a year to about 100,000, most 100,000, which is where most voters it be? why aren't voters want it to be? why aren't we national discussion we having a national discussion about going on with with about what's going on with with just how this migration just how badly this migration policy is working out? instead, we're focusing on the small boats, right? is actually boats, right? which is actually 112,000 people. as aaron said, 1.3 million over the last couple of years. and most of those, by the way, weren't coming here to work. they were relatives. they were students. they were the relatives students, or they relatives of students, or they were asylum seekers. so do were asylum seekers. so we do have a serious problem that is intimately economy intimately linked to the economy and our housing crisis. >> at home, do you >> you tell me at home, do you have the same sense of feeling? what you think to what these what do you think to what these guys do you sit guys are saying? do you sit there and think, actually, yes. the is just in terms of there and think, actually, yes. the numbers,is just in terms of there and think, actually, yes. the numbers, whether terms of there and think, actually, yes. the numbers, whether it'sns of there and think, actually, yes. the numbers, whether it's legal the numbers, whether it's legal or illegal, migration, you or illegal, migration, do you have actually the have a sense that actually the one you about more, is one that you care about more, is that illegal migration? tell me your of that . your thoughts on all of that. simon says want to ask him simon says i want to ask him about uh, increased about, uh, his increased pensions benefits above pensions and benefits above inflation. what have you done for working uh, one of for working people? uh, one of my viewers says, i would like to

ask would he introduce a ask him, would he introduce a voluntary from , um, illegal voluntary tax from, um, illegal migrants to help them pay for their upkeep? uh keefe says i would ask him, what are the true costs of net zero? you tee that up nicely for me because after the break, what asking you the break, what i'm asking you is did he miss then? we is what did he miss then? we just covered his five pledges. but what should have been in there? that absolutely was not. what fury about? i don't what are you fury about? i don't know, is it hs2 is it housing. is net zero? getting touch. is it net zero? getting touch. and you tell me. i'll see you in two. thanks, guys

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs& co. and look at this. we're out and about where we're in one of my favourite places. quite frankly, a working man's club is there any way better than these kind of places? yes. i hear you say, if they're in the north east. yes. double bubble workingmen's

club, north east. tick, tick. i'll tell you we're here in i'll tell you why we're here in case have just in, case you have just tuned in, because tonight is the first because tonight it is the first of big election events. yes. of our big election events. yes. members of the public will be putting their questions to rishi sunakin putting their questions to rishi sunak in this very room. richard has just been on twitter saying, i don't understand michelle, what's the point in this? if rishi sunak already knows the questions, he doesn't. richard. he no idea the questions. we he has no idea the questions. we have no idea questions . and have no idea the questions. and as farage was just saying , as nigel farage was just saying, actually, take some chops actually, just take some chops to sit in a room surrounded by people having no idea what is going to come your way when it comes to questions that will be live here at 8:00, keeping me company. meantime, company. in the meantime, the professor politics at the professor of politics at the university matt university of kent, matt goodwin, and alongside the goodwin, and alongside him the co—founder novara media, co—founder of novara media, aaron i asked you aaron bastani. i asked you before the break, what do you think was missing then from rishi sunak's five pledges? what would you have liked to have seen in there, matt? seen covered in there, matt? more seen covered in there, matt? moihousing is an enormous issue, >> housing is an enormous issue, particularly the under 50s . particularly for the under 50s. it's the one issue that's intimately many the

intimately tied to many of the things talking about. things we were talking about. just now. the immigration crisis . the growth of our . yes, the rapid growth of our population . and i think, you population. and i think, you know, for lots of people know, michel, for lots of people out they haven't really out there, they haven't really quite this quite understood how big this crisis building crisis is. we're building 200,000 year . if you 200,000 homes a year. if you look at the analysis, we're actually going to need really around 500,000 homes a year. just to keep up with ongoing migration. so this is going to become an enormous crisis, much bigger than i think the government is even. but how have people because people are not thick, especially in government. >> hope. >> one would hope. so. how can people have realised that people have not realised that the of house building the rate of house building versus rate population versus the rate of population growth are completely at odds with each other? why are we even in well, the first thing to say >> well, the first thing to say is people have busy lives and we're out working with we're all out there working with families, you know, we're families, kids, you know, we're not plugged into politics. not all plugged into politics. i mean, the people meant mean, the people i meant the people power, people people in power, the people they know just don't people in power, the people they knowto just don't people in power, the people they knowto talk just don't people in power, the people they knowto talk about just don't people in power, the people they knowto talk about it.jst don't people in power, the people they knowto talk about it. they»n't people in power, the people they knowto talk about it. they know want to talk about it. they know all of this. they know we need 5.7 million homes over the next 15 this. 15 years. they know this. they've projections, they've seen the projections, what probably thinking what they're probably thinking is, going to be

is, well, we're not going to be in when this whole thing in power when this whole thing comes around. so we don't really need that about need to be that serious about it. but for ordinary voters, too, here's one that too, here's just one stat that came ago a company came out two weeks ago a company asked brits to estimate the level of net migration into the country. estimate country. the average estimate was people year, 70,000 was 72,000 people a year, 70,000 more britain more people coming into britain than actual number than leaving the actual number is 700,000. so most is closer to 700,000. so most voters to haven't quite yet realised what's happened to the country and what is about to happen to the country because of that migration. bet you've that migration. i bet you've realised, you? realised, haven't you? >> , aaron, your thoughts. >> i think housing is huge. i would say, look, you need to clean the country up. i went through fareham the other day, which braverman's which is suella braverman's constituency and trash and rubbish is everywhere . graffiti rubbish is everywhere. graffiti is everywhere. high streets look awful, they look appalling and this is one of the world's wealthier countries. still just about fifth or sixth, depending on measure you want to on which measure you want to look at, but you wouldn't know it from going of it from going to a lot of places. so what are you calling for then? >> like a broken windows theory where vandals, for where even those vandals, for

example, they'd get done instantly, almost. example, they'd get done instwell, almost. example, they'd get done instwell, look, st. example, they'd get done instwell, look, it's not, it's >> well, look, it's not, it's not to i think. not easy to fix, i think. firstly, you need to give bit firstly, you need to give a bit more local government. more money to local government. they've huge cuts since they've had huge cuts since 2010. the council where 2010. huge. the council where i'm at 50% cuts since 2010, that's part of not of that's part of it. not all of it, because of course many, um, people what should people don't do what they should be will quickly, be doing. i will quickly, though, to specifically though, respond to specifically what about we what you said about housing. we basically have house building, basically have a house building, um, which is turn um, mechanism, which is turn houses into hmos, right? turn a houses into hmos, right? turn a house into 5 or 6 bedsits. now you can have a street where ten years ago you had five of these. now you have 35, six people living in one house. if they've got partners up to 12, these would be two up, two down houses. they can all be good as gold, but one can be bad right now. times up by 30 on one street. of the street. think of the fly—tipping. of the fly—tipping. think of the rubbish one's house not rubbish outside one's house not taking bin in anti—social taking the bin in anti—social behaviour that is the behaviour so that is the government's housing policy and it into general sense of it feeds into a general sense of malaise , decay, the place not malaise, decay, the place not quite looking as it did 1015 years ago. well, you went viral actually not that long ago,

where you shared a video of a high street. >> it was like a it was like a zombie, um, apocalypse. it was just a well, you'll be familiar with it at home, actually. empty shop after empty shop after empty shop. high streets. are we feeling our high streets? >> is waterloo ville. >> this is waterloo ville. i mean, my goodness, the daily mail with article. mail filled up with an article. you that online. and you can go see that online. and the appalling. and the photos are appalling. and people there's people said, well, there's a retail park up the road. i don't remember b&m and you know, uh, kitchen stores being high kitchen stores being on the high street, street street, the high street businesses, particularly owned street, the high street buzfamilies, particularly owned street, the high street buzfamilies, they'vearly owned street, the high street buzfamilies, they've collapsed, by families, they've collapsed, they've been killed by the internet, by these giant out—of—town stores. of course, we like convenience , but go to we like convenience, but go to other countries, go to italy, spain, portugal, germany. it's not this bad. we have really let down small businesses in this country, and i. i don't actually on that particular point, i hear nothing either tories or nothing from either tories or the party. is that fair? the labour party. is that fair? >> i think it is. i mean, also we talked about the closure of pubs earlier on you know, we talked about the closure of pubs itwo er on you know, we talked about the closure of pubs itwo er 0 a you know, we talked about the closure of pubs itwo er 0 a symbol] know, we talked about the closure of pubs itwo er 0 a symbol of now, those two are a symbol of national pride. they're a symbol of community. people

of community. and many people i think into their high think are going into their high streets just feel that streets and they just feel that they have become symbol they too have become a symbol of, country, a bit tired, of, of the country, a bit tired, a bit outdated, not very productive, not very successful. so i certainly agree a lot so i certainly agree with a lot of think also if you of that. but i think also if you if you just take a step back, if you if people in you if you ask people in general, they think, you general, do they think, you know, the nhs is going in the right direction? no. do they know, the nhs is going in the right their ion? no. do they know, the nhs is going in the right their locallo. do they know, the nhs is going in the right their local schools1ey know, the nhs is going in the right their local schools are. think their local schools are. no. do they think the economy is no. so it's, you a general no. so it's, you know, a general sense malaise, a general sense of malaise, a general sense of malaise, a general sense the country isn't sense that the country isn't quite but i i'll have quite but i mean, i'll have viewers, for example, in wales and will shouting at and they will be shouting at their screens, i can hear you, my ears. >> and they'll be sitting >> well, and they'll be sitting there michele, hang on a there going, michele, hang on a second. talking second. you're talking about stuff in england stuff like the nhs in england and that is a mess. but of and that that is a mess. but of course the one in wales is under welsh control. they would argue that mess as that they feel in a mess as well. so the answer can't just be as simple as surely if you get stammering, he's going to fix all. get stammering, he's going to fix well, britain working. >> well, britain isn't working. we that, and we can we all can see that, and we can feel that. to say, feel that. it's easy to say, well, this is because of 14 years of conservative governments and that's part of

the the reality is we the story. but the reality is we don't think about dealing don't really think about dealing with long problems with the long terme problems that we short tum with the long terme problems that one we short tum with the long terme problems that one we reasonsrt tum with the long terme problems that one we reasons i've m fixes. one of the reasons i've been very critical about mass migration we use it as migration is we use it as a short tum fix. >> just quick yes or or no >> just a quick yes or or no from both of you. alison, one of my viewers has got in touch, says is simple. we says michelle is simple. we should referendum. should have a referendum. um, um, whether not, as a um, asking whether or not, as a country, we want to leave the echr should we? >> to be honest, i actually think one of the things think that's one of the things rishi sunak could do to increase his at election. his chances at the election. yeah. i know yeah. do you think that i know more referendums? >> no more referendum proportional representation. >> we need. we need a democratic. >> say democratic. >> because >> you would say that because pr delivers left wing governments. >> no. i don't think >> no. well, i don't think somebody nigel farage is somebody like nigel farage is more westminster more likely to be in westminster with think we have a very with pr. i think we have a very broad swathe opinion in this broad swathe of opinion in this country. reflected country. it's not reflected in our politics. >> you support, example, >> do you support, for example, proportional representation? would even would that engage you even more to out vote? tell me to go out and vote? tell me i will back two minutes will be back in two minutes where the conversation will continue. i'll see you then.

that vote. hi there. i'm michelle dewberry. this is dewbs & co and if you have just joined us, where on earth have you been? you've missed out. we're in a working man's club up north. my favourite place is to be. quite frankly, alongside me. the professor of politics at university matt university of kent, matt goodwin, co—founder of goodwin, and the co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. we're why not? just we're here. why not? just because of my love of these kind of places? no because rishi sunak minister will sunak your prime minister will be just in over be here imminently, just in over an time to answer an hour's time to answer questions you. british questions from you. the british public. um, glenys says i'd be asking him about two tier policing. i'd like to know whether or not he feels that that be an issue. wayne that would be an issue. wayne says be asking him about says i'd be asking him about excess is no one excess deaths. why is no one talking about that? they are sky high. you make very high. yes. when you make a very good point. um, look , let's talk good point. um, look, let's talk about . we've spoken a lot about this. we've spoken a lot about this. we've spoken a lot about things that have gone wrong and all the rest of it. and don't worry everybody, because before the end of the

programme, i'm going to reflect on things have gone right. on things that have gone right. we'll a positive, shall we'll end on a positive, shall we? get there, we? but before we get there, what all of this mean about what does all of this mean about conservatism more generally? has it project? it failed as a project? >> that's really >> i think that's a really interesting when interesting question. when we look internationally, look at it internationally, because this year i think we're going something going to see something a bit strange, which british strange, which is british conservatives probably strange, which is british conser heavily probably strange, which is british conserheavily but probably strange, which is british conser heavily but conservedy strange, which is british conserheavily but conserved in losing heavily but conserved in many other the world, many other parts of the world, winning and well. now, many other parts of the world, winning they're well. now, many other parts of the world, winning they're of well. now, many other parts of the world, winning they're of a'ell. now, many other parts of the world, winning they're of a more ow, whether they're of a more libertarian bent, in libertarian bent, like in argentina, it's donald argentina, whether it's donald trump white trump returning to the white house giorgia house whether it's giorgia meloni in italy or whether it's le and people that le pen and people like that across some european democracies, i that's democracies, what i think that's telling us that, yes, the telling us is that, yes, the british conservatives have been in time, but in power for a long time, but there's point here. there's a deeper point here. i don't think they've really understood how tectonic understood how the tectonic plates are on the plates of politics are on the move. aren't looking for move. people aren't looking for the old conservative ism of the same old conservative ism of the same old conservative ism of the 1980s and the 1990s. they're looking for what i would call national conservatism, a kind of conservatism that takes borders seriously, that lowers migration, prioritises you migration, that prioritises you know, the british people, that isn't afraid to leave things

that undermine the security of the country, like european courts, that reshapes the economy. so it works for ordinary , ordinary working ordinary, ordinary working people, goes up against global big businesses and says, actually, we're not going to have crony capitalism anymore. we're going to have companies that actually invest in the country and stay in the country. we're stand up to china we're going to stand up to china more forcefully. we're going to stand more stand up to russia more forcefully. where those forcefully. where are those national britain? >> are they ? i don't know, >> where are they? i don't know, do you know they are? do do you know where they are? do you know who they are? aaron? your thoughts? >> macmillan >> i think macmillan put it pretty well. he said conservatives should conserve the you know, the good things and, you know, change the bad things. and it feels sunak government change the bad things. and it fe�*conserving sunak government change the bad things. and it fe�*conserving surbad|overnment change the bad things. and it fe�*conserving surbad things1ent change the bad things. and it fe�*conserving surbad things and is conserving the bad things and changing the good things. i think big problem, think they've got a big problem, actually, beyond 1 or actually, which goes beyond 1 or 2 elections. as you've really referred which is they referred to. there which is they don't know they want . don't know what they want. british conservatism since margaret has been margaret thatcher has been effectively liberal effectively an economic liberal party and it's this hybrid of very social liberal people with some socially illiberal people. i mean, that's one word for it, which has given it this jekyll

and hyde character where they don't really know how to solve problems. so on the one hand, you have libertarians who would never to ban anything never want to ban anything at the they're banning the same time, they're banning vaping eventually vaping and eventually cigarettes. i think cigarettes. and so i think they're to have do they're going to have to do a lot of intellectual philosophical work that sounds strange because we're talking about i in about elections. but i think in the tum, needed to the long tum, it's needed to actually determine what they believe in, who they are and who they're for. they're looking out for. because, matthew says in the because, as matthew says in the 2020s, a secure 2020s, people want a secure state that will look after them and for them. they and look out for them. they don't state is in don't want a state that is in the pocket of the back pocket of multinationals and big business. and have to be honest, that's and i have to be honest, that's exactly tories are. exactly where the tories are. and finish, if you look at and to finish, if you look at sunak, this guy very much attached to west coast united states, had a green card , very states, had a green card, very much part of the sort of footloose and fancy free international capitalist class . international capitalist class. who does get as his foreign who does he get as his foreign secretary? david cameron? somebody compounds all of somebody who compounds all of those interpretations of who he is. so he's also just not a very good politician. they probably want some of those who we were

just talking, vince said. >> i'd um, in fact, stewart says, yes, we want proportional representation. vince said, says, yes, we want proportional represedon't.|. vince said, says, yes, we want proportional represedon't. we vince said, says, yes, we want proportional represedon't. we had nce said, no, we don't. we had a referendum already that, and referendum already on that, and it resounding no. yes. but it was a resounding no. yes. but you might though, you might remember, though, vince , that was done. of course, vince, that was done. of course, before massive in, before that massive election in, uh, think was ukip uh, where i think it was ukip got all of those seats. and actually, i people actually, i think people understand understood the issue a after that one. i a bit better after that one. i think perhaps people might have changed, let me changed, uh, their vote. let me ask we on a high? ask you should we end on a high? everyone i say yes, tell me then. the good thing is, what? as rishi sunak, all the tories achieved well, as achieved as well, as quick as you can, rishi sunak and his team would probably say finishing brexit, you know, finishing off brexit, you know, tweaking around the edges, getting, you know, northern ireland its feet. >> um, beyond that it's difficult point difficult to point to achievements the sunak achievements in the sunak governmentkids do quite well on >> bastani kids do quite well on sort of global reading leagues. um, but other than that , minimum um, but other than that, minimum wage is quite generous. i'm surprised if you said that in 2010, i wouldn't have believed you. >> well, there you go. do you know what i'm going to let you reflect inwardly at home. that's your for the next your homework for the next hour

or what are or so, you can think, what are the things? the the good things? the conservatives achieved? or conservatives have achieved? or rishi in particular? why? rishi sunak in particular? why? because already you, rishi sunak in particular? why? beca|sunak already you, rishi sunak in particular? why? beca|sunak agoing you, rishi sunak in particular? why? beca|sunak agoing to you, rishi sunak in particular? why? beca|sunak agoing to be iou, rishi sunak in particular? why? beca|sunak agoing to be live rishi sunak is going to be live here in this very room. yes, we are in the north east. it will be an hour long special, the people's it's not about people's forum. it's not about tv presenters. oh no, it is about you. the public. what do you want to hear from your prime minister? what questions have you got? he will be answering them all for now. aaron matt, thank you very much and thank you for your company. i'll see you for your company. i'll see you later . you later. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. hello >> very good evening to you, alex burke. you're here again with your latest gb news, weather forecast. it will be a bit chilly for some of us tonight with some showery rain around, but it's tomorrow when we're going the wettest we're going to have the wettest weather with weather in association with a low system that is low pressure system that is currently waiting out just to the west of however back to

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gb news. >> good evening. a diversity pushis >> good evening. a diversity push is damaging standards in the united kingdom's armed forces. could anything be done to arrest it? murderers and drug dealers. you could really make this up. could you? are now using christian conversions to stay in the united kingdom and in dover on friday night, a farmers protest. but it is perhaps a symptom of what is

happening in rural england. tory like jacob rees—mogg, could be at risk of losing their seats and we will go live to the north east. of course it will be the people's forum with rishi sunak, the prime minister, liz , live the prime minister, liz, live after this show at 8:00. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . the news with polly middlehurst. nigel thank you and good evening to you. >> well, the top story from the gb newsroom today is that the prime minister has been busy defending his government's action the economy, insisting action on the economy, insisting it now turning a corner it is now turning a corner dunng it is now turning a corner during a visit to yorkshire today, he acknowledged it had been a difficult few years for households . as data published households. as data published later this week will show whether or not the uk has supped whether or not the uk has slipped a recession. the slipped into a recession. the prime minister insists though all the indicators are heading in the right direction. >> last couple of years have >> the last couple of years have been undoubtedly difficult for the and the economy. the country and the economy. recovering from covid. the