beginning, stick with the plan. the plan is working. can see the plan is working. you can see that economy. can see that on the economy. you can see it taxes. the it in lower taxes. the alternative going back to alternative is going back to square one with the labour party. can't you what he's party. can't tell you what he's going differently. going to do differently. he doesn't a plan. and that doesn't have a plan. and that means won't get the change means we won't get the change that our country deserves. that's that i want to that's the change that i want to deliver for all of you. prime minister, thank you very much indeed. >> right. okay. we're gonna get into the box. >> i, i made that box as well. >> i, i made that box as well. >> i, i made that box as well. >> i have, you know, it's a shame it hasn't been used well, thank you, prime minister, very much indeed forjoining us for much indeed for joining us for the news people's forum the first gb news people's forum of this election year. and thank you, of course, to our studio audience part. thank audience for taking part. thank you very much indeed. now you very, very much indeed. now we are hoping that labour we are hoping that the labour leader, keir starmer , will leader, sir keir starmer, will accept invitation to take accept our invitation to take part in one of these people's forums. let's hope he does . um, forums. let's hope he does. um, but for now, let's take you back to london from the glorious nonh to london from the glorious north east to patrick christys . north east to patrick christys. >> well, welcome to this very

special edition of patrick christys tonight, where we react to that people's forum with the prime minister. and what a show that was. we've got the new deputy chairman of the conservative party, james daly, and also labour mp rosie duffield . very shortly. we've duffield. very shortly. we've got the results of our bombshell exit poll . has prime minister exit poll. has prime minister rishi sunak managed to convince anyone from that audience of undecided voters to actually vote for him .7 tory cabinet vote for him.7 tory cabinet minister for vote for him? tory cabinet minister for common sense esther mcvey will be live to give her verdict and the man giving mr sunak sleepless nights. the leader of reform uk. it is richard tice tice in the studio for us. i've got my panel of top punst for us. i've got my panel of top pundits as well, daily express columnist carole malone, journalist and labour party adviser mike buckley and ex brexit party mep belinda to lucy . we are also going to be joined by our political editor, christopher hope, for the very, very latest from that venue for the political roundup. but right now i'm going to get the

thoughts of that conservative mp for bury north and crucially as well, the new deputy chair of the conservative party, it is james daly joining us live here in the studio. james, thank you very, very much . now look to very, very much. now look to introduce to the fray straight away. rishi sunak comments on rwanda , which i know is rwanda, which i know is a massive issue for you, a massive issue for a lot of voters as well. let's play the clip. i think illegal migration is profoundly unfair , right? profoundly unfair, right? >> i actually think our country is based on a sense of fairness, right? we are a people that we wait our turn, we put in our fair share. we play by the rules right? and illegal migration actually breaks that sense of fairness. it erodes a sense of trust in our system . trust in our system. >> james, rwanda won't work, though, will it? of course it'll work. well the, um, i think we have a choice. >> and the prime minister framed this choice very well. >> i thought tonight we've got open door immigration, door open door immigration, open door borders or borders with keir starmer or we've rwanda policy

we've got the rwanda policy around a policy which many of the throughout the countries throughout the world and world are looking at and implementing, which is part of the measures which the suite of measures which is going small boats going to tackle the small boats issue, immigration, and issue, tackle immigration, and we're going to get those planes in but, patrick, remember the >> but, patrick, remember the rwanda policy deterrent. if rwanda policy is a deterrent. if in three, four years time, in two, three, four years time, anybody's there, anybody's being sent over there, it has failed on the of it has failed on the merits of what is stopping what it is. it is stopping people being coming to the french border, getting on those boats can boats and coming over. and can you one other thing? you tell you one other thing? i'm one few mps who've i'm one of the few mps who've actually been on the beaches in calais, people about calais, spoken to people about this, to french officials this, spoken to french officials and what's evidence that and what's the evidence that will work when it became clear that going that the government were going to that policy before to implement that policy before the got involved, there the courts got involved, there was a rush of people at the french trying to get over was a rush of people at the frerfrench trying to get over was a rush of people at the frerfrench authority,) get over was a rush of people at the frerfrench authority, supporter the french authority, support the french authority, support the it's the rwanda policy, think it's a good policy. >> the rwanda files, though, good policy. >> thethe anda files, though, good policy. >> thethe anda filrwanda gh, good policy. >> thethe anda filrwanda files james, the leaked rwanda files that revealed here that nigel farage revealed here that nigel farage revealed here that that you're looking that showed that you're looking at sending 500 people maximum in the first year and that backlog by to 150,000. by 2026 could get to 150,000. that's not success. it's not, as the prime minister said, the flights but this is deterrent. >> patrick, want to stop all

>> patrick, we want to stop all those thousands of people who come into the french border with the intention of crossing over, putting risk. this putting themselves at risk. this is saying them that if you is saying to them that if you come over here to this country illegally, will sent illegally, you will be sent away, be sent to rwanda away, you'll be sent to rwanda and the evidence shows that people putting people who are putting themselves danger the themselves in danger at the french that. french border do not want that. it is of a suite it is part of a suite of measures. it's much the measures. it's much needed. the country supports it and this is the people's prime minister deliveringall right. um, i'm also >> okay. all right. um, i'm also going to introduce a clip that rishi said, which think rishi sunak said, which i think is important about the nhs. is very important about the nhs. okay. he firmly the okay. now he firmly pinned the nhs now on striking nhs backlog now on striking workers. let's hear it. >> saw that it started to >> we saw that it started to fall because didn't have fall because we didn't have strikes a period the end strikes for a period at the end of year and that has been of last year and that has been a real challenge. and i'll just be honest you that. but honest with you about that. but in november, month, where in november, first month, where we no strikes we had absolutely no strikes in the nhs, do know what the the nhs, do you know what the waiting list fell 100,000. waiting list fell by? 100,000. biggest one month fall in the waiting list in well over a decade outside of covid. so that gives me the confidence that our plans can work and will work. the industrial action is

something we need to work through. >> record nhs backlogs is it all the fault of striking doctors ? the fault of striking doctors? >> well, let's put it into context. we had the pandemic, we've had the strikes. that is the reason why we've got the backlogs that we're seeing at this time. but let me this moment in time. but let me give you fact that in the give you this fact that in the month we had no no in month when we had no no in patrick, when the month when we had strikes, backlog had no nhs strikes, the backlog went down by 100,000. >> to pause you there >> i've got to pause you there and i will come back to i'm and i will come back to you. i'm going to go to our political edhon going to go to our political editor, christopher hope, who is at us there in the at the scene for us there in the nonh at the scene for us there in the north east. christopher what's going you are? going on? where you are? >> okay, patrick. we'll leave all here all the crowd leaving here from this can i ask this people's forum. can i ask you, how do you find out? you, sir, how do you find out? you change your mind? >> um, i didn't learn anything really tonight. >> um, i didn't learn anything really was|ight. >> um, i didn't learn anything really was only kind of one >> there was only kind of one guy who put him on the guy who really put him on the spot. about the core spot. two of them about the core of vaccines. but, uh, of it. vaccines. but, uh, nothing really. that kind of swayed either way. swayed me either way. >> sir, thank you sir. >> thank you sir, thank you sir. madam have you changed your mind about rishi sunak? >> no, but i'm sorry, voter. >> no, no, but i'm sorry, voter. so no, it was it was impressive. so no, it was it was impressive. so you changed your mind

so have you changed your mind about mr sunak? >> uh, probably no sir. >> uh, probably not. no sir. >> uh, probably not. no sir. >> thoughts on that? >> any thoughts on that? >> any thoughts on that? >> i thought a lot better >> i thought it was a lot better than what expected, be than what i expected, to be honest. it came across honest. yeah, it came across sincere, he's got a lot more sincere, and he's got a lot more personality in flesh than personality in the flesh than what shows on on so. what he shows on on tv. so. >> yeah. madam, any thoughts on how changed on how you've changed your mind on mr i've not changed my mr sunak? um i've not changed my mind. >> i've just still very undecided. i wasn't very impressed what, the impressed with what, when the answers that were coming back. >> still undecided. >> so. yeah i'm still undecided. >> so. yeah i'm still undecided. >> you, sir? >> and you, sir? >> and you, sir? >> thought rishi was very >> i thought rishi was very polished, professional. i thought he was very courteous. i thought he was very courteous. i thought were very thought the audience were very courteous. thought the audience were very co exceptions where i feared for of exceptions where i feared for my little bit, but yeah, my life a little bit, but yeah, i thought he came across quite a well meaning decent kind of guy. >> will you vote for him? >> will you vote for him? >> i'm under side. think it's >> i'm under side. i think it's lost i'm totally honest. he's lost if i'm totally honest. he's uh, you know, trying his uh, you know, he's trying his best, i don't the best, but i don't think the conservatives the conservatives can win in the next election, sir. >> the convince you to >> can the pm convince you to vote for him? >> he's . he's convinced me to >> he's. he's convinced me to think about it. but what i really am thinking about at the moment is where do i hand in my expenses claims ? expenses claims? >> hey, don't ask me , sir. i'm

>> hey, don't ask me, sir. i'm only a journalist. thank you sir. madam, have you changed your mind about mr sunak ? your mind about mr sunak? >> um, i haven't, i'm still undecided . yeah, madam. undecided. yeah, madam. >> and yourself ? >> and yourself? >> and yourself? >> um. i think he seemed very approachable, but i'm still a little undecided. and i'm going to watch with interest. >> what gb news shows us in the future. thank you sir. >> any thoughts? >> any thoughts? >> well, i much prefer him to keir starmer. >> it's a show you start with. >> it's a show you start with. >> yeah. any thoughts sir? >> yeah. any thoughts sir? >> uh, no. >> uh, no. >> no change of mind. no change, that's for sure. >> you're voting conservative or labour dem or undecided? labour or lib dem or undecided? undecided. still undecided. thank and, any thank you. and, madam, any thoughts that? you. how'd thoughts about that? you. how'd it smith? back. mr it go, mr smith? you're back. mr sunak election or mr sir keir starmer others? >> uh, again, i haven't decided yet, but, um , i think he's quite yet, but, um, i think he's quite approachable and. >> and what he's taken on. um you know, right at the time where, you know, there was not much, um , for him, he had lots much, um, for him, he had lots to do. so i guess he's doing a good job. yeah. >> so have you changed your mind

about mr sunak? will you vote for him? >> i'll be voting conservative, but he gave me stock answers tonight . okay. answers are tonight. okay. answers are expected. >> and madam, finally. and madam finally , will you vote? will you finally, will you vote? will you vote conservative for this election labour? lib dem election or labour? lib dem i probably won't vote conservative. >> i'm more likely to vote reform. after that performance. i pretty unimpressed with i was pretty unimpressed with the way he closed off the, um , the way he closed off the, um, covid vaccine. injured person. >> okay, well, thank you on that. you heard the response there from the audience. a mixed response. not everyone convinced, but i think the pm would have think he got most of his points across. to you. his points across. back to you. yeah >> christopher, thank very >> christopher, thank you very much. and thank you to those wonderful for stopping wonderful people for stopping and make points and chatting. so make points raised on raised there and very, very on brand. have got an exit brand. look, we have got an exit poll for you at the top of that 10:00 will find out 10:00 hour. so we will find out whether not room full of whether or not that room full of undecided voters have decided whether or not that room full of undetoied voters have decided whether or not that room full of undeto vote oters have decided whether or not that room full of undeto vote conservative, cided whether or not that room full of undeto vote conservative, ored whether or not that room full of undeto vote conservative, or who now to vote conservative, or who else lady mention else who did that lady mention there? richard tice, there? well, richard tice, leader uk. he joins me leader of reform uk. he joins me at the end of this hour. but one

chap there mentioned a viral moment and it was a viral moment from this particular showdown with prime minister, and it with the prime minister, and it was about the vaccines, was all about the vaccines, wasn't it? and we've got a little it now for you , little clip of it now for you, rishi sunak. >> i've got much to say, but >> i've got so much to say, but such time . my name is such little time. my name is john. what and i'm of the john. what and i'm one of the covid vaccine injured in this country . i want you to look into country. i want you to look into my eyes, rishi sunak, and i want you to look at the pain, the trauma and the regret i have in my eyes. we have been left with no help at all, no , not only am no help at all, no, not only am i in here, this vaccine , there i in here, this vaccine, there is another man over there whose life's been ruined by that covid 19 vaccine. as why are the people who are in charge? who told us to all do the right thing? have left us all tied up and left me and the thousands in the tens of thousands in this country to rot my story in the press. >> okay, that's it. go to the government for comment. and they made the take all this stuff out. >> forgive me, forgive me both. i know i'm happy we're.

>> so there is a vaccine compensation scheme that's in place , as you alluded to in the place, as you alluded to in the nhs. obviously everyone individually will work through their cases. it's difficult for me comment on anyone's me to comment on anyone's individual the individual case. i'm sure the brand new deputy party chairman for james for the conservatives, james daly with me. daly is still with me. >> james, vaccine injured, >> james, the vaccine injured, feel though they've left feel as though they've been left to rot out. feel as though they've been left to rwell, . feel as though they've been left to rwell, as the prime minister >> well, as the prime minister said, every decision that was taken pandemic taken during the pandemic was taken during the pandemic was taken we taken upon medical advice. we were in a position where we had the fastest rollout of the vaccine the world. we did vaccine in the world. we did everything possible to protect people perceived people from what was perceived and a virus. that was and what was a virus. that was was killing people within our country . we steps, the country. we took the steps, the responsible steps as a government, the advice responsible steps as a go do nment, the advice responsible steps as a go do that. t, the advice responsible steps as a go do that. i the advice responsible steps as a go do that. i can't the advice responsible steps as a go do that. i can't comment|dvice responsible steps as a go do that. i can't comment on ce to do that. i can't comment on what individuals are going through. i'm very, very sorry for anybody who's going through that. compensation that. we've got a compensation scheme the scheme in place, but the prime minister during the pandemic not only know, and a only looked you know, and as a government the government not only took the right decisions upon medical advice, prime minister, advice, as the prime minister, when was chancellor the when he was chancellor of the exchequer members of exchequer and other members of the to follow exchequer and other members of the advice, to follow exchequer and other members of the advice, he to follow exchequer and other members of the advice, he to outlined

that advice, as he also outlined regret, the regret, maybe pushing the vaccine as, it was pushed, vaccine as, as as it was pushed, as the government acted upon medical advice, acted with medical advice, they acted with the of intent to try to the best of intent to try to protect in this protect the people in this country. prime minister country. the prime minister and the did not only the government did that not only in terms of the medical advice, but in terms of financial, in terms scheme, terms of furlough scheme, protecting businesses, terms of furlough scheme, protecting individuals. that's why to be supporting why i'm proud to be supporting the minister. the prime minister. >> right, james, thank >> all right, james, thank you. can ask you to stay there can i just ask you to stay there for me because there's a couple more points i'd love to put to you i'm just going you as well, but i'm just going to enter the fray now. uh, labour rosie duffield, who is labour mp rosie duffield, who is joining line. rosie, joining us down the line. rosie, thank very much. great thank you very much. great to have you the show. and i've have you on the show. and i've got start. firstly, rishi got to start. firstly, rishi sunak uh, the sunak was grilled by, uh, the audience little bit there. uh, audience a little bit there. uh, about rwanda all of that about rwanda and all of that stuff, that i stuff, but something that i think really relevant the think is really relevant to the labour party. rosie was he was asked a little bit, wasn't he, about he about rochdale? and he mentioned, uh, the ongoing issue that labour have in rochdale mentioned, uh, the ongoing issue that lemoment.e in rochdale mentioned, uh, the ongoing issue that lemoment.e iafsar1dale mentioned, uh, the ongoing issue that lemoment.e iafsar ali,a at the moment. we're afsar ali, who was part of the who is what was part of the labour party, made some outraged comments when came to october comments when it came to october the 7th and israel being

complicit in that as their way of now , now bombing gaza in of now, now bombing gaza in obliterating the palestinian people , etc. and i think i might people, etc. and i think i might have a clip of what sunak said in response to all of this , in response to all of this, which i'd just like to play for you and then get your reaction, because it does appear that the labour party is in a little bit of a mess over all of this right now. we do have the clip. let's go. >> the party hasn't changed. it's changed. it's a con, it's not changed. it's a con, right? that's what you have right? and that's what you have to remember. vote for anyone to remember. a vote for anyone who's not me, who's not your conservative vote conservative candidate is a vote to his values and to put him with his values and his party you saw it his party in power. you saw it last week. what that would mean for the economy. can't tell you how to pay for £28 how he's going to pay for £28 billion decarbonisation policy, which means higher taxes for you and so stood by and everyone else. so stood by this person in rochdale until the pressure got too much . the media pressure got too much. like that's the values he's doing everything can right doing everything he can right now frustrate the passage now to frustrate the passage of our rwanda the house of our rwanda bill in the house of lords. you want of that? lords. do you want any of that? >> yeah, he's got a point. labour are in an absolute mess over palestine, aren't there? is

he ? he? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it's been a really horrible, divisive issue . divisive issue. >> um, i've had emails from people on sort of both sides of the argument, you know, that we should call for an immediate ceasefire and those that are very, there very, very concerned that there are hostages . are still hostages. >> his, um, in gaza. are still hostages. >> his, um, in gaza . so it's >> his, um, in gaza. so it's been it's been an absolutely horrible few months, but obviously it's even more horrific for the people actually physically involved. >> did it take the labour >> why did it take the labour party so long to disown themselves from a bloke who pumped conspiracy theories? >> question . i think the >> good question. i think the dhhenng >> good question. i think the dithering was quite embarrassing for the party. i think there should been a much quicker should have been a much quicker decision when it first appeared. >> okay. all right . and you >> okay. all right. and you think that labour clearly is going to now be coming under the cosh, aren't they. from a lot of independent candidates, a lot of pro—palestine some pro—palestine candidates, some big on the big names potentially on the chop by way . i big names potentially on the chop by way. i mean chop here. by the way. i mean wes streeting is fending off, um, an independent candidate. rushanara ali bethnal green rushanara ali in bethnal green is seriously facing rushanara ali in bethnal green is competition,;ly facing rushanara ali in bethnal green is competition, believeg or stiff competition, believe it or not, from shamima begum's lawyer, decided stand

lawyer, who's decided to stand against is the against her. and there is the muslim vote .co.uk that are now trying to manage to accumulate as many votes as independent to vote on on muslim issues. there predominantly coming after labour how you fight labour seats. how do you fight that off? >> it's going to be really interesting in the next few months. i think this issue is going and obviously going to grow and we obviously do not want a single other child in gaza killed, but we also know that israel to get their that israel have to get their hostages out somehow. and that figures coming out, you know, of palestine about the deaths from hamas are really not to be trusted , not to be believed. so trusted, not to be believed. so the whole situation is completely hideous . completely hideous. >> i've just got a statement here from azhar ali, who has since released a statement in which he apologises for his comments. said apologise comments. he said i apologise unreservedly to the jewish community comments which unreservedly to the jewish comr deeply comments which unreservedly to the jewish comr deeply offensive, |ments which unreservedly to the jewish comr deeply offensive, ignorant hich were deeply offensive, ignorant and . hamas horrific. hamas and false. hamas horrific. hamas is horrific terror attack with the responsibility of hamas alone and they are holding alone and they are still holding hostages who be released. hostages who must be released. and there are candidates standing rochdale standing in the rochdale by—election. we've got azhar ali, independent coleman,

ali, independent mark coleman, independent danczuk reform independent simon danczuk reform uk, donaldson , liberal uk, ian donaldson, liberal democrat paul ellison, conservative george galloway, workers party of britain michael howarth, independent william howarth, independent william howarth, independent william howarth, independent guy otten, green party. ravindra rodent, sabatina, official monster raving loony party and david tully, who is an independent okay, so rosie, i've got one more question to put to you. please, based on what rishi sunak has said tonight at our people's forum, i know this is an issue that's very, very close to your heart. so the prime minister responding to minister was responding to something about the trans issues. want to issues. okay. i just want to play issues. okay. i just want to play and then i'll get play the clip and then i'll get you the back of it. you off the back of it. >> sure. i really don't think anything i just said, quite frankly, be frankly, should be controversial. respectful controversial. are we respectful and people their and tolerant of people and their differences? particularly and tolerant of people and their differ

to these issues in our to deal with these issues in our classrooms . classrooms. >> well, rosie, that's the leader of the conservative party. they're being quite clear on what a woman is. i wish your leader could make his up. leader could make his mind up. >> it hasn't . we haven't >> yeah, it hasn't. we haven't exactly on those exactly been clear on those issues, have we, for the last few but i mean, what can few years. but i mean, what can i say ? i think we're still in a i say? i think we're still in a bit a mess about it, to be bit of a mess about it, to be completely honest. um, you had someone there actually someone there who is actually a sort of quite well known trans rights activist, and she seemed fairly kind of satisfied with that answer. so i'm not sure sitting on the fence on this issue is really winning the labour party. any friends but rosie, is this not a bit of a theme with labour sitting on the fence? >> and i'm kind of excluding you from this slightly because i know that you do wear your heart and your views on your sleeve, to be fair. but yeah, you know, when it comes a catalogue of when it comes to a catalogue of keir starmer screeching u—turns, the one of course, the left one being, of course, over environment and the over the environment and the green , the £28 billion green budgeting, the £28 billion which sunak raise which rishi sunak did raise their. what are people their. i mean, what are people voting for rosie when they're

voting for rosie when they're voting labour? seriously >> um, i'm not here as a labour spokesperson and i don't have any sort input into the any sort of input into the future manifesto as a backbenchen future manifesto as a backbencher, but i know that a lot of labour mps would really like some clarity on our policies going forward, because we're always asked about it. i was really disappointed, gutted with the scrapping of the of the green pledges. um, as they were lots of vocal labour mps, lots of other vocal labour mps, so it would be nice to get a bit more clarity on those issues. a bit less fence sitting in the next few months, and we're going to to do that, aren't we? to have to do that, aren't we? so know what we for. stand >> yeah. but crucially, at the moment you don't really know what labour stands for as a labour mp. >> not on some of the bigger issues. no, i think people are obviously developing our manifesto, so hopefully we'll hear that point soon. >> right hopefully. well, hear that point soon. >> talk'ight hopefully. well, hear that point soon. >> talk to it hopefully. well, hear that point soon. >> talk to yoqupefully. well, hear that point soon. >> talk to you aboutlly. well, hear that point soon. >> talk to you about it'. well, hear that point soon. >> talk to you about it then. ., i'll talk to you about it then. rosie, you very much. it's rosie, thank you very much. it's enlightening rosie enlightening stuff as rosie duffield uh, the labour duffield there. uh, the labour mp, thank you very much. well james with me now. james is still with me now. james is still with me now. james the new brand james daly the new brand

spanking . spanking. >> listen, we've heard it all now we've got a labour mp saying they don't know the labour they don't know what the labour party and if keir party stands for. and if keir starmer could just inform labour mps are, we mps what his policies are, we might some understanding of might get some understanding of what the of the what it is. the king of the u—turns. i mean, it's not in terms of somebody like me, a conservative even own terms of somebody like me, a cons don't/e even own terms of somebody like me, a cons don't know even own terms of somebody like me, a cons don't know what own terms of somebody like me, a cons don't know what he own terms of somebody like me, a cons don't know what he believes mps don't know what he believes in. that's the nature of the in. so that's the nature of the beast that you're talking about. not patrick from rosie. not from me, patrick from rosie. >> i was quite surprised by that. but mean, she's nothing that. but i mean, she's nothing if honest. fair. if not honest. to be fair. >> listen, is honest and >> listen, rosie is honest and she's about starmer, she's honest about keir starmer, a changes his mind every a man who changes his mind every other day. well, can anybody trust what says? trust what he says? >> look, i cut >> all right, now, look, i cut you a little earlier on you off a little bit earlier on when were talking about the when we were talking about the nhs. rishi sunak did blame nhs. now rishi sunak did blame the waiting list, which is the nhs waiting list, which is still level on still at a record level on striking workers essentially. is that he really, that fair? can he really, seriously it seriously be pinning it on striking workers 100? >> give let me give >> let me give you let me give you when you cut me off, you the when you cut me off, when we when we were, when we were interrupted during the month when there month of november when there weren't strikes, the backlog went yeah, weren't strikes, the backlog went cora, yeah, weren't strikes, the backlog went cora, we yeah, weren't strikes, the backlog went cora, we don't yeah, weren't strikes, the backlog went cora, we don't have eah, sure. cora, we don't have strikes. coming

strikes. the backlog is coming down significant rate. down at a significant rate. i also want to point out , which is also want to point out, which is not pointing out much this not pointing out much in this debate. last three debate. it's the last three months, backlog has come months, the backlog has come down, even though more procedures cancelled procedures are being cancelled because doctors because of the doctors strike. the doctors, you know, we all want see an end to this, but want to see an end to this, but it directly linked the it is directly linked to the junior you know, junior doctors, you know, decision to go on strike. and junior doctors, you know, deci is»n to go on strike. and junior doctors, you know, deci is the» go on strike. and junior doctors, you know, deci is the consequence and junior doctors, you know, deci is the consequence of1d junior doctors, you know, deci is the consequence of that. this is the consequence of that. the doing the government are doing everything to come to everything they can to come to a deal with the junior doctors, which going to protect which is going to protect the public, that's what public, because that's what we're want to we're interested in. we want to have a deal that gets people back to work, that ensures that the public are protected and we can continue work. as can continue doing the work. as i november, the backlog i said in november, the backlog went down by 100,000 when went for down by 100,000 when the striking. the doctors weren't striking. and is not and i hope i'm sure this is not the patrick, i am sure the case. patrick, i am sure this is not the case, but i hope we the politics from we can take the politics from the side out of this in the doctor's side out of this in respect of this and actually deal straightforwardly and forthrightly government forthrightly with the government that wants to come to a deal that's fair all sides. that's fair for all sides. >> yeah. mean, it is >> yeah. i mean, it is interesting, given what wes streeting has been about streeting has been saying about the opening the door for the nhs and opening the door for privatisation. i is

privatisation. i think it is unfortunate, only unfortunate, but it's only really country that we really in this country that we live in are only really a labour health secretary that can say that to have leave that i'm going to have to leave you james, i'm afraid. you there, james, i'm afraid. but you very, very much but thank you very, very much thatis but thank you very, very much that is james there. who is that is james daly there. who is the spanking the brand spanking new deputy party chairman for the conservatives and tory mp conservatives and the tory mp for north. but look, i've for bury north. but look, i've got a whopping show got a whopping great big show still to come because top pollster goodwin beaming still to come because top po live r goodwin beaming still to come because top po live from goodwin beaming still to come because top po live from the odwin beaming still to come because top po live from the people's beaming still to come because top po live from the people's forum.g in live from the people's forum. why? we've our very own why? we've done our very own exit why? we've done our very own exh the why? we've done our very own exit the people's vote is exit poll. the people's vote is in prime minister in has the prime minister managed anyone managed to convince anyone of that undecided that room full of undecided voters to vote for him? i think those results will be fascinating. the minister fascinating. plus, the minister for esther mcvey. for common sense, esther mcvey. no the least, no nonsense to say the least, joins me with her assessment of the prime minister's performance tonight as the conservative party risks losing some big names election. if names at the next election. if you this today, those you miss this today, those include chancellor jeremy hunt . include chancellor jeremy hunt. they jacob they do also include jacob rees—mogg. but first, tonight's panel of leading pundits will be here with their expert analysis of the prime minister's performance. those include , of performance. those include, of course, carole malone. they've also got mike buckley, former labour adviser, and former labour party adviser, and former brexit mep de

brexit party mep belinda de lucy. blink and you miss it tonight, patrick christys tonight, patrick christys tonight only tonight we're only

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news . news. >> well, it's all go here on patrick christys tonight because rishi sunak was grilled by the audience on his rwanda plan today, one voter asked whether or not he was adamant in forcing through this rwanda plan, why was so adamant about it all? we're going to be playing that a little bit later on, but i'm

going to take you right back to our venue now in the north east with our political editor, christopher hope, is joined, christopher hope, who is joined, is joined, i think, by christopher hope, who is joined, isjoined, i think, by couple is joined, i think, by a couple of people, couple of these of people, a couple of these undecided who were in the undecided voters who were in the audience. a quick reminder for you, the way, that got you, by the way, that we've got this exit of who this exit poll of people who are telling not they telling you whether or not they were by rishi sunak. were convinced by rishi sunak. let's to christopher hope. go let's go to christopher hope. go on.chns let's go to christopher hope. go on. chris take it away. i'm joined here by jill patrick. >> now, jill, you were a voter who voted conservative in 2017 to 2019. one big question will you vote conservative this year for the at the election? well at the moment after this, no , the moment after this, no, probably not, but i've still got an open mind. >> so if more, uh, decent policies emerge, then yes , i'd policies emerge, then yes, i'd be persuaded you've come all the way from milton keynes to be here. >> what's it like seeing the pm up close? was he a different person to the one who you see on tv all the time? >> no, no, he was very similar, very likeable. he only mentioned that his mother had pharmacy

that his mother had a pharmacy three which i was quite three times, which i was quite pleased about. i felt three times, which i was quite pleased about . i felt that he pleased about. i felt that he didn't answer all the questions, the ones wanted to avoid. he the ones he wanted to avoid. he avoided the one about the covid vaccine was particularly shocking. i don't know if the cameras caught two men who cameras caught the two men who were talking about it. they had been so severely affected he been so severely affected and he just about the vaccine just talked about the vaccine compensation, which seemed a bit stung by that. >> i mean, when that question was asked, the questioner left the room before he even answered his question. i'm not sure he's at all prepared for that question. >> no, no wasn't. you could >> no, no he wasn't. you could see it his face. um, and see it on his face. um, and otherwise you're going back to milton keynes tonight? >> a lot to think about. what do you what do you think? what does he need to do to win you over? i think he needs to stop trotting out the policies , the out the same old policies, the same pledges, actually same five pledges, and actually listen to what the people want and act on it. okay, well, there we have. that's jill cluff in the audience. there a tory voter in the last two elections isn't still convinced by him. we'll have results of our poll as

people left. patrick but for me, i thought it was a convincing display prime minister display from the prime minister he was trying to really say, if you vote for reform party, you're voting for keir starmer. don't wreck the plan. he's saying, give us more time. and that for me, says an election later this year, nowhere near may, as thought about over the weekend. yeah. look, christopher , thank you very, very much christopher. >> hope there. our political editor who's been at that event for us. reminder, the exit poll results , which by the way, results, which by the way, i have seen none are quite surprising, but i'm not going to reveal to you just yet. reveal them to you just yet. and richard tice coming down the richard tice is coming down the line well. that leader of line as well. that leader of reform uk, that rishi sunak is now conservative reform uk, that rishi sunak is nonto conservative reform uk, that rishi sunak is nonto vote conservative reform uk, that rishi sunak is nonto vote for. inservative reform uk, that rishi sunak is nonto vote for. heervative reform uk, that rishi sunak is nonto vote for. he says le reform uk, that rishi sunak is nonto vote for. he says it will not to vote for. he says it will open the door to keir starmer. and i've got cabinet minister esther coming your way, esther mcvey coming your way, but let's get but right now let's get some expert reaction top expert reaction from our top panel expert reaction from our top panel. express panel. we've got daily express columnist maloney , columnist carol maloney, journalist mike journalist and commentator mike buckley party buckley and former brexit party mep belinda de lucy. now rishi sunak was asked a bit about the

labour party . okay and well , labour party. okay and well, i'll just throw you over now to what he had to say. basically said they're an absolute chaos. let's hear from the prime minister and we'll get the reaction. the party hasn't changed. >> it's not changed. it's a con, right. and that's what you have to remember. a vote anyone to remember. a vote for anyone who's who's your who's not me, who's not your conservative candidate vote conservative candidate is a vote to put him with his values and his party in power. you saw it last week. what that would mean for the economy can't tell you how he's going to pay for £28 billion decarbonisation policy, which higher for you which means higher taxes for you and else stood by this and everyone else stood by this person in rochdale until the media pressure got too much. like that's the values he's doing everything can right doing everything he can right now frustrate the passage of now to frustrate the passage of our rwanda bill in the house of lords. do you want there are two things to go out there. >> the first one being that he thinks that the labour party obviously don't plan, the obviously don't have a plan, the second one please don't second one being please don't vote richard tice. carol. vote for richard tice. carol. the you think the labour party. do you think he's about that? mean, the labour party. do you think he's they about that? mean, the labour party. do you think he's they gotjt that? mean, the labour party. do you think he's they got a that? mean, the labour party. do you think he's they got a plan? mean, the labour party. do you think he's they got a plan? more n, have they got a plan? more screeching u—turns from starmer? >> think he's right. they

>> no, i think he's right. they don't have however don't have a plan. however i think tory voters didn't think people tory voters didn't turn they're the undecideds. turn up. they're the undecideds. to slagging off to hear him slagging off starmer, up to hear starmer, they turned up to hear what tories got to offer. >> and i'm not sure that lady that last lady had there just said it. >> she said i'm still undecided, but until hear some but until i, until i hear some new that's what people new policies, that's what people want. want policies. want. they want new policies. they want energy, they want oomph, now oomph, they want pizzazz. now he came tonight came across, i thought tonight as likeable. thought he as very likeable. i thought he was he was more he was more likeable. i think a small group was he was more he was more likethimi think a small group was he was more he was more likethim better a small group was he was more he was more likethim better than all group was he was more he was more likethim better than al group was he was more he was more likethim better than a bigoup suits him better than a big group. so was good. but he group. so he was good. but he did. trotting out did. he was still trotting out the old stuff, and i don't the same old stuff, and i don't like it when another party leader attacks another party leader. what you've got. leader. give us what you've got. don't tell us bad don't tell us the bad points about all know them. about starmer. we all know them. you the people who are not you know the people who are not laboun you know the people who are not labour, who like starmer labour, who don't like starmer know he did last week in know what he did last week in the 28. >> but they know he doesn't cost his policies. >> what we want to know, rishi, his policies. >:what|t we want to know, rishi, his policies. >:what you're'ant to know, rishi, his policies. >:what you're going know, rishi, his policies. >:what you're going to ow, rishi, his policies. >:what you're going to give tishi, his policies. >:what you're going to give us.i, is what you're going to give us. come election. and lady come the election. and that lady said up with some great said had come up with some great policies vote policies and i'll vote for tories. >> t- t— t you make of that >> what do you make of that performance from our prime minister? see turned up

minister? i see you've turned up wearing tory tie tonight. wearing your tory tie tonight. >> far. >> won't go that far. >> won't go that far. >> i mean, didn't see the >> i mean, i didn't see the whole thing, but the bit i saw, i thought was incredibly poor. >> i mean, way that >> i mean, the way that he reacted to the gentleman who was complaining about the covid vaccine, i thought was particularly bad. vaccine, i thought was parwhyarly bad. vaccine, i thought was parwhy go bad. vaccine, i thought was parwhy go on?. vaccine, i thought was parwhy go on? why why he didn't >> why go on? why why he didn't he in any have an he didn't in any way have an emotional to him. emotional response to him. >> it was just, well, >> i mean, it was just, well, we're doing enough, know, we're doing enough, you know, and often their and that's so often their response when he's attacked on something, he's like, we're doing already. doing enough already. >> he didn't to >> move on. he didn't want to engage it. engage with it. >> said, and his question >> he said, i'm and his question sorry, that was an emotional response. >> well, hardly. >> well, hardly. >> well, hardly. >> well, would you like >> well, so what would you like him done? him to have done? >> i would him to have >> i would like him to have taken account of that taken more account of that person's circumstances. >> the other point that i >> but the other point that i wanted when the woman wanted to make is when the woman asked the nhs, fact asked about the nhs, the fact that it's in a complete state waiting highest i've waiting list, the highest i've ever been, just out workers. >> he blamed the striking. first, blamed the striking workers. >> but then woman said to >> but then the woman said to him, would you do? him, well, what would you do? you know, how fix the you know, how will you fix the nhs? answer go to nhs? his answer was he can go to the pharmacist get cough the pharmacist and get cough medicine without going to get a gp first. what?

gp appointment first. what? how is response the is that a response to the gargantuan crisis that we face? that the way, causing that is, by the way, causing loads people to long loads of people to have long terminal problems. terminal health problems. we're losing people earlier than we should. are should. as in people are dying earlier than they should because they health care they can't get their health care that it's having that they need. it's having a not it's the important not that it's the most important thing. most thing. the lives are the most important a important thing. it's having a consequent impact on the economy because lots of because you've got lots of people off. long time sick who can't people off. long time sick who canokay, now, he said >> okay, now, belinda, he said that please >> okay, now, belinda, he said that vote. please >> okay, now, belinda, he said that vote. i'm please >> okay, now, belinda, he said that vote. i'm paraphrasing. don't vote. i'm paraphrasing. please, please, please don't vote tice because vote for richard tice because you'll open the door to the labour party. we do have richard tice reform very tice from reform uk on very shortly. think that shortly. do you think that anyone will listen to him and say, the say, it's such a shame that the conservative resorted conservative party have resorted to this kind threatening, to this kind of threatening, gosh, us, gosh, if you don't vote for us, then what you're then this is what you're going to rather selling >> rather than selling themselves. is, >> rather than selling thencan't s. is, >> rather than selling thencan't sell is, >> rather than selling thencan't sell themselves is, they can't sell themselves anymore because the anymore because most of the promises make promises and pledges they make to people never to people they can never get through because they've decided never reset the civil never to reset the civil service, always to service, who are always going to hinder slightly hinder any of their slightly right they right wing policies anyway. they very weak, timid. reform uk very weak, very timid. reform uk offers a larger democratic offers such a larger democratic choice for the people . and why choice for the people. and why the scared of why the tories scared of us? why can't they themselves on can't they sell themselves on their because they their own policies? because they know can't push through know they can't push through things lower immigration

things like lower immigration and stopping. they're stopping the it's waffle. the boats. it's all waffle. patrick from from rishi. he's a very sweet, affable guy, but it came across as the usual policies that rishi sunak has absolutely staked his claim on. >> is rwanda okay. and he was asked tonight about rwanda. here's what he said. then i'll get your reaction. >> think illegal migration is >> i think illegal migration is profoundly unfair. i actually think our country is based on a sense of fairness. right? we are a people that we wait our turn. we put in our fair share. we play by we put in our fair share. we play by the rules right ? and play by the rules right? and illegal migration actually breaks that sense of fairness. it erodes a sense of trust in our system . our system. >> okay. so carol rishi sunak, they're saying that he thinks rwanda will work and it's absolutely fine and it'll go ahead. we have seen the quote unquote rwanda files here at gb news, appeared to suggest unquote rwanda files here at gb newthey appeared to suggest unquote rwanda files here at gb newthey are appeared to suggest unquote rwanda files here at gb newthey are anticipating suggest that they are anticipating getting backlog 150,000 by getting a backlog of 150,000 by 2026 and a maximum amount of people of 500 to be sent to rwanda in the first year. i mean, that success really?

mean, is that success really? can we believe it? >> not success. way >> it's not success. but the way i up how british i think he summed up how british people think about illegal immigration on. when immigration are spot on. when he said they think it's profoundly unfair, do, because we do unfair, they do, because we do have a sense of fair play in this country about genuine , um, this country about genuine, um, refugees. to take refugees. we do want to take care of those people, but we're sick by the sick of being scammed by the economic . and i think economic migrants. and i think he's absolutely right. when he says like to play the says that we like to play by the rules and that's not what's happening. i happening. but, you know, i wasn't we could only wasn't aware that we could only send 500 people to rwanda , which send 500 people to rwanda, which is shocking if we're going to have that kind of the government deny it. >> say it's more, but we've >> they say it's more, but we've seen, has seen, well, nigel farage has revealed but seen, well, nigel farage has revneeds but seen, well, nigel farage has rev needs to but seen, well, nigel farage has rev needs to and but seen, well, nigel farage has revneeds to and didn't but seen, well, nigel farage has rev needs to and didn't talkit he needs to and he didn't talk about wider problem of immigration. >> both legal and illegal. the legal one is way more serious than a few people coming across on the boat, although a lot of people feel very badly about that. you should that. but i think you should have wider issue on have tackled the wider issue on immigration well, and told us immigration as well, and told us how was going to cut those. how he was going to cut those. well, and i think one of the reasons didn't actually reasons why he didn't actually is don't think he is because i don't think he actually about actually cares too much about legal is from i've >> and that is from what i've

been by our former been told by our former immigration who immigration minister, who said, mike, sits around mike, when he sits around the cabinet , he not hear cabinet table, he does not hear people frankly live a people who frankly live in a surrey about legal immigration. >> the government have not >> well, the government have not been honest with us the whole way through. been honest with us the whole waywe�*ough. been honest with us the whole waywe�*oughan ageing population. >> we have an ageing population. >> we have an ageing population. >> working >> we have a need for working age country. if age people in this country. if the going to the economy is going to function, nhs social function, if the nhs and social care to function care is going to function and many, other part of many, every other part of society as well, the government know they've know that, which is why they've been world been running around the world giving the giving out visas like the confetti. we do people confetti. we do need people to come honest confetti. we do need people to comethe honest confetti. we do need people to comethe british honest confetti. we do need people to comethe british people honest confetti. we do need people to comethe british people andynest with the british people and having debate. immigration with the british people and having whente. immigration with the british people and having when they1migration with the british people and having when they1migoh,yn goes up when they say, oh, how terrible, must done goes up when they say, oh, how t okay. one of the clearest sigown has failed >> okay. one of the clearest sigown people has failed >> okay. one of the clearest sigown people is has failed >> okay. one of the clearest sigown people is byhas failed >> okay. one of the clearest sigown people is by depending its own people is by depending on cheap foreign labour, rather than investing in their own workforce . so when you say, oh, workforce. so when you say, oh, they honest, we they need to be honest, that we need don't. need the stuff. no we don't. we have people so it's a have the people here. so it's a failure our government that failure of our government that they on british they won't focus on a british workforce. say very workforce. and i'd say very quickly, of the questions

quickly, one of the questions i would have asked quickly, one of the questions i woul

joining reaction joining me to give her reaction and , she's going to tackle and also, she's going to tackle the woke extremist culture eroding the army. at eroding the british army. at least according to least that's according to defence secretary grant shapps said forces will focus said our armed forces will focus less on diversity and more on defending the nation. it's patrick christys tonight. i'll see

isabel monday to thursdays from 6:00 till 930. come up leader of reform uk richard tice , who was reform uk richard tice, who was namechecked by rishi sunak there. >> how would he have answered

some of those questions that you , the wonderful people put to our prime minister? but first we've got more reaction now to the people's forum with leading pollster goodwin will the people's forum with leading po|releasing goodwin will the people's forum with leading po|releasing ourodwin will the people's forum with leading po|releasing our exitn will the people's forum with leading po|releasing our exit poll will be releasing our exit poll results at ten. but did the prime minister manage to win anyone around in that audience of undecided voters? sunak will certainly hope so. the certainly hope so. but the latest polls , official polls latest polls, official polls anyway, are by redfield and wilton. strategy showed the tories slumped to their tories have slumped to their lowest since he became lowest rating since he became prime minister. labour now have a 25 point lead. goodwin was in the there. matt did he the audience there. matt did he do anything to convince voters for ? well i've got to say, for you? well i've got to say, patrick, i was in the room up here in darlington and look, i'll be honest with you, to me , i'll be honest with you, to me, the prime minister sounded a little flat. >> he only got one laugh out of the audience . he's got two the audience. he's got two rounds of claps, but that came quite late on. he. he struck me more as a chancellor than a prime minister, if i'm honest, there wasn't much in the way of charisma . there wasn't charisma. there wasn't a compelling story, a big vision

to go to country with. so i, to go to the country with. so i, i think probably his team will be leaving today thinking, you know, he did a competent job, but it wasn't a particularly compelling job. okay just one more quick one with you, matt. >> whilst i've got you before we go to those exit poll results at ten. and another poll has been published saying that the published today saying that the pubuc published today saying that the public sunak public think that rishi sunak cares less the rest of his cares less than the rest of his party about ordinary people. so they also think the prime minister cares less than other tories about the nhs . he was tories about the nhs. he was asked a question about the nhs tonight and he was meeting ordinary people. do you think he's answered those he's answered any of those things . on he's answered any of those things. on the nhs? >> it's always going to be difficult for rishi sunak that, to be frank , patrick, that is to be frank, patrick, that is labour's issue. the conservatives are going to really struggle to win on that issue. so i, i think he i think he knows that, you he he knows that, you know, he talks developing talks about developing these bespoke talked about bespoke clinics. he talked about investing lots of things that investing in lots of things that people wouldn't currently be aware talked about aware of. and he talked about trying to bring down the waiting list know,

list and he accepted, you know, it's over ten it's going to take over ten years of these new years for some of these new consultants come through. it consultants to come through. it was a a he reminded was all a bit of a he reminded me of a technocrat, patrick, rather compelling prime rather than a compelling prime minister. was thinking, how minister. i was thinking, how would blair have done would tony blair have done in this how have you this forum? how would have you know of the this forum? how would have you kno beasts of the this forum? how would have you kno beasts in of the this forum? how would have you kno beasts in british of the this forum? how would have you kno beasts in british politics? the this forum? how would have you knoiizasts in british politics? the this forum? how would have you knoii think,1 british politics? the this forum? how would have you knoii think, youtish politics? the this forum? how would have you knoii think, you know,»litics? the and i think, you know, they probably would have had a bit more charismatic more of a charismatic punch, shall what we saw shall we say, than what we saw this evening. well, are you saying last charismatic than saying his last charismatic than gordon then? saying his last charismatic than gorgood then? saying his last charismatic than gorgood maybe in >> good grief, maybe he's in more trouble than we thought. but, thank you very much. but, matt, thank you very much. i'll you a little bit i'll be seeing you a little bit later we've this later on. okay. we've got this exit how do exit poll result. how did he do when to convincing when it came to convincing people audience people in that audience of undecided tory? undecided voters to vote tory? but rishi sunak has been spending evening up north. spending the evening up north. absolutely. wish i was some absolutely. i wish i was in some ways home but ways my natural home land, but he's been trying to convince those go and vote for those voters to go and vote for him the ballot but some him at the ballot box. but some tory big hitters risk losing their at the next their rural seats at the next election. this revealed election. this was revealed today. election. this was revealed today . jacob rees—mogg, theresa today. jacob rees—mogg, theresa coffee chancellor jeremy hunt apparently they would be booted out by constituents if the latest polls are accurate. i'm delighted to welcome cabinet

minister esther mcvey , who was minister esther mcvey, who was recently appointed as sunaks well, what should we say? common sense tsar esther, look, thank you very, very much. well over half the traditional half the tories traditional countryside seats are at risk . countryside seats are at risk. are you worried about that ? are you worried about that? >> well, look, we always want to get the best vote. we possibly can, but can i just check you on one thing that you said a little bit earlier ? and it's not like bit earlier? and it's not like you, patrick, not have you, patrick, to not have all your facts. right? but said your facts. right? but you said rishi nothing about rishi was doing nothing about legal migration and considerable changes came in in january. legal migration and considerable changes came in in january . and changes came in in january. and that was dependence that was about the money you had to earn or your sponsors had to earn. and squeezing down on students coming into this country, which will it's already started will stop. it's already started that policy and it will stop 300,000 people coming here. so i just had to say that because what you said before was incorrect. it's still okay. incorrect. well it's still okay. >> well, with respect, though, esther there a bit of row esther, there was a bit of row back wasn't there on the back then, wasn't there on the salary threshold. also there back then, wasn't there on the salaa threshold. also there back then, wasn't there on the sala a little hold. also there back then, wasn't there on the salaa little bitd. also there back then, wasn't there on the salaa little bit of also there back then, wasn't there on the salaa little bit of a also there back then, wasn't there on the salaa little bit of a rowso there back then, wasn't there on the salaa little bit of a row backzre was a little bit of a row back on of time was on the length of time it was going actually

going to take to actually implement those implement some of those things, and bring the and that would still bring the net down to net migration figure down to around year mark, around the 400,000 a year mark, which many people is which many people do think is too esther too high. esther >> yeah, so down 300,000 is a lot and all. i'm saying is i just want to get that right on the record, because you're brilliant, right? and that's not like you not to quite get that right. and i just have to get that right because taking legal migration down by 300,000 is considerable. >> it is considerable. look again , many people will still again, many people will still think that 400,000 is too high. but the prime minister was asked about high. about it is too high. >> is too high. and we're >> it is too high. and we're going to get that down to right . going to get that down to right. >> okay. well, the prime minister was asked about labour's plan to introduce vat tax schools. said labour's plan to introduce vat tax it schools. said labour's plan to introduce vat tax it was schools. said labour's plan to introduce vat tax it was an schools. said labour's plan to introduce vat tax it was an attack s. said labour's plan to introduce vat tax it was an attack on said labour's plan to introduce vat tax it was an attack on hard d that it was an attack on hard working parents like who working parents like his, who struggled their kids to struggled to send their kids to a school. play a fee paying school. i'll play the esther, i'll get the clip, esther, and i'll get you know , i get you to react, you know, i get attacked starmer because attacked by keir starmer because of i went to school . of where i went to school. >> and i to him once, >> and i said to him once, actually, said, you're not actually, i said, you're not really attacking me. you're attacking you're attacking my parents and you're attacking my parents and you're attacking them. attacking everybody like them.

that to aspire for that works hard to aspire for a better life for them and their family. i think that's wrong. i don't it's british, and don't think it's british, and that's the type country that's not the type of country that's not the type of country that build. that i'm going to build. >> he point ? >> has he got a point? >> has he got a point? >> absolutely. he has. and by the way, my parents would have been one of those parents. i'll tell you for why. because labour was messing around with the whole system and was whole educational system and was destroying a lot of the state schools. so my parents, who didn't have anything, really didn't have anything, really didn't have anything, really didn't have too much. i'd been in care right? so didn't have too much. i'd been in care right ? so they got in care right? so they got themselves on track . dad set up themselves on track. dad set up a business and he thought i want themselves on track. dad set up a busforss and he thought i want themselves on track. dad set up a busfor mynd he thought i want themselves on track. dad set up a busfor my child thought i want themselves on track. dad set up a busfor my child than ght i want themselves on track. dad set up a busfor my child than me. want themselves on track. dad set up a busfor my child than me. soint themselves on track. dad set up a busfor my child than me. so he more for my child than me. so he sent a fabulous school in sent me to a fabulous school in liverpool called belvedere . so liverpool called belvedere. so what? uh starmer is going what? uh keir starmer is going to do is stop aspirational families, people who want the best for kids, who sacrifice lots of other things to send their kids to a school because we believe, educate is the best thing you can give to your kid and what not. more than that though. about all of the though. what about all of the kids who are in private school who are going to have to go who are now going to have to go to i believe to state school, which i believe the going cost

the figure is going to cost about £7 billion. so not only is it wrong for aspiration , it's it wrong for aspiration, it's wrong financially and it's wrong for the whole of the educational sector. again, to talk, talk, but actually never know how they're going to pay for things . they're going to pay for things. >> yeah, i mean it does genuinely actually seem like quite a harebrained policy, i'll be honest with you. and whether or not the u—turn on that will have and see. labour of have to wait and see. labour of course, think and course, think it's great and would everything would deny everything that we've just said. moving on. grant shapps woke, shapps has warned that a woke, an culture an extremist culture has infiltrated british army infiltrated the british army after was that army after it was revealed that army bosses had plotted relaxing security checks to improve diverse hs2. esther, i mean, this is in your wheelhouse, isn't it? as you know, the quote unquote minister for common sense. come on, what we sense. come on, what are we going to do about this? >> well, we want the best person for the job, not somebody who fits a quota for the job. and actually , the defence secretary actually, the defence secretary grant shapps has been right on the case saying no , he'll do the case saying no, he'll do a long terme like review and what's going on, but immediately

we've got to stop this craziness . we want the best people for a job and not just some fixed quota. i think that is what is essential. >> i think it just speaks though, doesn't it, to a mindset . the fact that this was even floated, the fact that this was even the idea to begin with. and we're seeing this right across a load different departments at load of different departments at the you load of different departments at the diversity you load of different departments at the diversity first, you load of different departments at the diversity first, quality know, diversity first, quality second. this has to stop now. i mean, how was it? how was this allowed to happen under a conservative for conservative government? for goodness it conservative government? for goodnessit has, um, expanded >> well, it has, um, expanded over time. you're right. and i think we have got to say. now, look, i know labour brought the equality act back in and back in 2010, but look how it spread. but look, i'm in there to look at equality, diversity, inclusion , uh, quotas and inclusion, uh, quotas and actually if they're not working and people aren't doing the job at hand and we haven't got the right person doing the job, then we've to get rid of all of we've got to get rid of all of that. what i will say, rishi that. and what i will say, rishi is very strong on this. and what

does he want to do? it is getting the economy on track . it getting the economy on track. it is getting immigration down and it is making the country great again. and also we'll say, is mr sir flip flop did that? keir starmer did his latest flip top flip flop tonight in rochdale . flip flop tonight in rochdale. there he was standing by his candidate . he's changed that. candidate. he's changed that. a day doesn't go by without him flipping . and one further thing flipping. and one further thing about covid covid vaccine damages i saw that question in the audience there. and i actually have been working with actually have been working with a conservative group with a conservative mp christopher chope, on that sorting out those vaccine damage payments. >> esther, thank you very much for your time as ever. and it wouldn't be an interview without getting death stare getting at least one death stare out there we go. out of you. so there we go. thank you very much. that's a wonderful estimate. that's the wonderful estimate. that's the wonderful esther there wonderful esther mcvey. there and know and people we've got to know we've go. we've got to go on. >> honestly, interview with >> honestly, your interview with an, uh, an stephen on saturday, the mail on sunday. can i just

say powerful. and how strong were you and emily to talk about that? and i just say it was amazing . amazing. >> all right, well, thank you very much, esther . you take very much, esther. you take care. right. okay, look, we're going have to be very quick. going to have to be very quick. in i'm to skip in fact, i'm going to skip through teases because in fact, i'm going to skip throjust teases because in fact, i'm going to skip throjust tetell; because in fact, i'm going to skip throjust tetell you:ause in fact, i'm going to skip throjust tetell you thate i'm just going to tell you that when come back, i've got when i come back, i've got richard tice, the leader of reform

time now for reaction to rishi sunak's people's forum. from the man we dating in the political wings to topple him, it's the man who holds all the cards , man who holds all the cards, apparently as the leader of reform uk, richard tice. well, richard, your reaction to rishi sunak that a vote for sunak saying that a vote for reform let keir samara reform would let keir samara into number 10? that's a problem for you. >> he was petrified, wasn't he? he wouldn't mention the name reform. clearly been reform. he'd clearly been trained, mention it, trained, not to mention it, because exactly what the because he knew exactly what the audience were thinking, were asking the applause when that question was was significant. look, people are of

look, people are bored of heanng look, people are bored of hearing he's got hearing him bang on. he's got a plan and it's working. no, it's not working . we're not growing. not working. we're not growing. he's not stopping the boats. the boat numbers are same as boat numbers are the same as they were two years ago. government is going up. government spending is going up. he got on top of the he hasn't got on top of the immigration plans. and sorry immigration plans. and i'm sorry to esther you to disagree with esther. you just had on there. she's not correct because the correct actually because the legal immigration numbers , legal immigration numbers, they're still going up. the talk about 300,000 coming down at best. that'll start in march at best. that'll start in march at best. so and it still does mean she did concede. >> it still does mean net migration of about 400,000, which i think many people would regard as being far too high. to be respect to be fair. but with respect to rishi , he was saying that rishi sunak, he was saying that the numbers down, but the boat numbers are down, but they're not down this month. >> the same as >> they're exactly the same as two ago. two years ago. >> bring them down >> your plan to bring them down is back. >> your plan to bring them down is absolutely. back. >> your plan to bring them down is absolutely. our back. >> your plan to bring them down is absolutely. our plan. and >> absolutely. our plan. and he wouldn't wouldn't wouldn't do it. he wouldn't commit the echr. and commit to leaving the echr. and the we'll stop the the only way we'll stop the boats them safely boats is to pick them up safely and france , and take them back to france, which we legally do that. yes, because legally entitled because we're legally entitled to die. >> people die. >> people die. >> are dying tragically

>> people are dying tragically at the moment. the kind and compassionate thing is to compassionate thing to do is to pick people take pick people up and take them back. they're back. remember, they're all picked patrick picked up at the moment. patrick by border force at the 12 mile point and brought to dover. the only turn back only change is you turn back to france and take there. and france and take them there. and we because it we know it works because it worked in australia. >> a bit worried >> are you not a bit worried about idea of this turn? the about the idea of this turn? the boats back someone dies boats back policy? someone dies in and then people boats back policy? someone dies in blood and then people boats back policy? someone dies in blood on and then people boats back policy? someone dies in blood on youri then people boats back policy? someone dies in blood on your handspeople boats back policy? someone dies in blood on your hands isople boats back policy? someone dies in blood on your hands is the say, blood on your hands is the blood the hands of the blood is on the hands of the lawyers and the politicians who haven't got the guts to do my policy, which is why five people, tragically have already died are in the >> thousands are dying in the med. you've to have strong, med. you've got to have strong, courageous leadership. do what australia and that will sort australia did and that will sort this problem . and the only one this problem. and the only one who's enough to talk about who's brave enough to talk about it, the only, the only other thing that he said that i think is massively relevant to you was about rwanda plan. about the rwanda plan. >> in bit >> it all ties in a little bit with just talking with what we were just talking about saying that about there. he's saying that he's it's going he's adamant that it's going to work. rwanda plan? >> the whole is plan? >> the whole thing is a nonsense. he's wasted hundreds of on this. of millions of pounds on this. ridiculous. it's not a deterrent. we know not deterrent. we know it's not a deterrent. we know it's not a deterrent because already this yean deterrent because already this

year, 1500 have come year, 1500 people have come across channel in probably across the channel in probably the month of the year, and the worst month of the year, and they're dying. people are they're dying. and people are prepared put their lives at prepared to put their lives at risk. it's clearly not a risk. so it's clearly not a deterrent. he's completely wrong, nothing else wrong, but he's got nothing else because to because he's not brave enough to do what the british people want him do, which is to take him to do, which is to take people and it's people back to france. and it's only reform uk that is courageous enough to do that policy . policy. >> i mean, he did talk there, didn't he? a bit about, you know, the fact that he thinks that the deal with the french is good enough or what's happened with returns agreement with the returns agreement with albania? that's mean. albania? and that's what i mean. he success. he has had some success. >> waffly words. >> lovely, warm waffly words. but the results? no but where's the results? no where the same numbers are coming across patrick, and whether it's and go back to the lawful numbers, they put in the policy when he was chancellor two that meant that two years ago, that meant that the lawful numbers exploded to 1.25 million a year. a city the size of birmingham, they caused the problem. they're now trying to correct , belatedly, too late. to correct, belatedly, too late. the british people are furious and had enough, and that's and have had enough, and that's why they're deserting them in

droves . droves. >> one of the questions we're gonna be quite tight gonna have to be quite tight here. the questions here. one of the questions that really fumble little really did fumble him a little bit the vaccine issue. bit was on the vaccine issue. now, that an issue that's bit was on the vaccine issue. nova that an issue that's bit was on the vaccine issue. nova huge an issue that's bit was on the vaccine issue. nova huge issue.ysue that's bit was on the vaccine issue. nova huge issue. did that's it's a huge issue. did you a little bit because you were quite pro vaccine weren't you? little bit because you were qui'i'mro vaccine weren't you? little bit because you were qui'i'mro vac(whateren't you? little bit because you were qui'i'mro vac(what i'en't you? little bit because you were qui'i'mro vac(what i said you? little bit because you were qui'i'mro vac(what i said was�* little bit because you were qui'i'mro vac(what i said was i >> i'm sorry. what i said was i was pro the choice. it's an individual . we were the individual choice. we were the first people to say you shouldn't be vaccinating young people or children. and here's shouldn't be vaccinating young peo point children. and here's shouldn't be vaccinating young peo point ccommit.and here's shouldn't be vaccinating young peo point (commit. and here's shouldn't be vaccinating young peo point (commit. and izre's shouldn't be vaccinating young peo point (commit. and i don't shouldn't be vaccinating young peo pyany (commit. and i don't shouldn't be vaccinating young peo pyany othermit. and i don't think any other party will i commit. inquiry into commit. we need an inquiry into the vaccine industry. vaccine on injuries, and that is my commitment here this evening for the first time to you that will be in our contract with the people. there has to be an inquiry. you heard it from those gentlemen. i'm hearing up and gentlemen. i'm hearing it up and down the country. so there is a serious issue . serious issue. >> just have >> so. okay, let's just have this reform uk, if this rise. so reform uk, if voted, will immediately have an inquest the vaccine injured. >> i'm absolutely right. we need that it to happen that and it needs to happen quickly and there needs to be proper interim payments made to those injured. those who have been injured. >> richard , you're >> okay. now richard, you're going stay with because going to stay with me because we've got bombshell exit poll we've got a bombshell exit poll that was a room full of 100

undecided voters. there in the nonh undecided voters. there in the north east that rishi sunak was addressing. we did a straw poll when they've left, and the people's verdict is in. how many of people undecided of those people undecided voters, do you think rishi sunak has managed vote conservative has managed to vote conservative at the next election? when i come back, i will have those. i've seen them . they quite i've seen them. they are quite surprising. those surprising. i'll have those results for so make sure results for you. so make sure that stay

it's -- it's 10 pm. 1mm it's 10 pm. i'm patrick christys tonight , even though christys tonight, even though we're not out of the woods yet . we're not out of the woods yet. >> at the start of this year, i believe that we have made progress and that we're heading in right direction . in the right direction. >> on the bombshell exit poll is in. did prime minister rishi sunak convince anyone to vote for him? after our people's forum performed? also, a labour by—election candidate makes a shocking israel slur. well has the party now cleaned up its act

or is this more devastating news for labour asylum seekers have literally been getting baptised in their droves. just have a look at that. if you're watching us on telly, when will the church respond to the latest scandal and anger as double child killer colin pitchfork could be set free again ? i've could be set free again? i've got all of tomorrow's newspaper front pages tonight for you with express columnist carole malone, journalist mike buckley and ex brexit party mep belinda pwc. heck of a lot. for them to go out tonight isn't it? oh, and one school trip got more than they for in that they bargained for in that luggage hold. yeah, i'll be revealing all shortly. get ready britain , here we go britain, here we go. massive hour coming your way. that bombshell exit poll is right around the corner . and right around the corner. and richard tice from reform uk is here to react to it . senior tech

here to react to it. senior tech . patrick thanks very much indeed. >> and good evening to you. the prime minister has defended the government's economic record dunng government's economic record during a live appearance on the gb people's forum tonight, gb news people's forum tonight, rishi sunak told voters . in rishi sunak told voters. in nonh rishi sunak told voters. in north yorkshire that the government's economic plan was starting to work. he answered unvetted questions on the economy, housing, education, tax and the nhs and even the covid 19 vaccine. the prime minister told the people's forum all the uk's economic indicators were heading in the right direction . heading in the right direction. >> plan is working. you can see that on the economy, you can see it in lower taxes. the alternative is going back to square one with the labour party. he can't tell you what he's going to do differently. he doesn't have plan that doesn't have a plan and that means we won't the change means we won't get the change that country deserves. that our country deserves. that's change that want to that's the change that i want to deliver of you . deliver for all of you. >> and today in the house of lords, prime minister safety lords, the prime minister safety of bill subject of

of rwanda bill was a subject of heated debate . it faced heated debate. it faced considerable opposition there, with a joint committee of mps and peers saying the law was fundamentally incompatible with the uk's obligations on human rights. the house of lords will be voting on a series of amendments designed to weaken the legislation to deport asylum seekers the east african seekers to the east african nation. well, in breaking news tonight from the labour party, labour has withdrawn its support for rochdale by—election candidate azhar ali following growing criticism of remarks he made about israel. mr ali had apologised after he was recorded at a meeting of the lancashire labour party, suggesting that israel had taken the october seventh hamas assault as a pretext to invade gaza. labour has been under pressure to expel him from the party after the remarks emerged and the shadow chancellor, pat mcfadden , says chancellor, pat mcfadden, says labour's decision was tough but necessary . nottinghamshire necessary. nottinghamshire police is being investigated over the force's contact with paranoid schizophrenic valdo

calocane before he killed three people, the independent office for police conduct has launched a probe into police former contact with calocane, as well as their handling of the murder investigation itself . the 32 investigation itself. the 32 year old killed two students and a caretaker last year in unprovoked attacks in nottingham, the watchdog . added. nottingham, the watchdog. added. allegations have also been made about the non—execution of an outstanding warrant for calocane arrest prior to the killings , arrest prior to the killings, and the royal navy aircraft carrier hms prince of wales left portsmouth harbour today following a slight delay at the weekend. the £3 billion warship is now on her way to norway to take part in the largest nato exercise since the cold war. her commanding officer said his crew had managed to bring the ship from 30 notice to immediate from 30 days notice to immediate readiness in just one week. she was put on standby a week ago after hms queen elizabeth was forced to cancel her deployment because of a propeller issue.

for the very latest stories , do for the very latest stories, do sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts . slash alerts. >> now rishi sunak has just spoken to a group of 100 people undecided on how they're going to vote at the next general election, and they didn't hold back. >> rishi sunak. i've got so much to say, but such little time . my to say, but such little time. my name is john white and i'm one of the covid vaccine injured in this country . of the covid vaccine injured in this country. i want you to look into my eyes, rishi sunak, and i want you to look at the pain, the trauma and the regret i have in my eyes. we have been left with no help at all. not only am i in here, this vaccine. there is another man over there whose life has been ruined by that covid 19 vaccine. why why are the people who are in charge who told us all to do the right thing, have left us all tied up

and left me and the thousands and left me and the thousands and the tens of thousands in this country. >> so there is a vaccine compensation scheme that's in place , as you alluded to in the place, as you alluded to in the nhs. obviously everyone individually will work through their cases. it's difficult for me to comment on anyone's individual case. i'm sure . individual case. i'm sure. >> very powerful moment that very powerful. and in the last hour, very powerful. and in the last hour , the prime minister has hour, the prime minister has come under criticism for how he responded to that unfortunate vaccine victim . here's one of vaccine victim. here's one of the big headlines from that fantastic gb news people's forum . prime minister . the prime minister admitted that there was more progress still to be made on the nhs. it's hardly a shock , is it? but it's hardly a shock, is it? but said progress hinge on the said that progress hinge on the trade . trade unions. >> we saw that it started to fall because we didn't have strikes for a period at the end of last year, and that has been a real challenge. and i'll just be honest with about that. a real challenge. and i'll just be iin|est with about that. a real challenge. and i'll just be iin november, about that. a real challenge. and i'll just be iin november, first)ut that. a real challenge. and i'll just be iin november, first month,. but in november, first month, where absolutely where we had absolutely no strikes , do you know strikes in the nhs, do you know what the waiting list fell by? 100,000. biggest one month fall in the waiting list in well over

a decade outside of covid. so that gives me the confidence that gives me the confidence that plans can work and will that our plans can work and will work . the industrial action is work. the industrial action is something we need to work through , so the strikes are at through, so the strikes are at least partly to blame for our nhs waiting list. >> misery, says sunak. i mean, he is right that. he is right about that. the problem were problem is that there were stonking great big waiting lists before well. but before the strikes as well. but the prime minister also hit out at starmer and the at sir keir starmer and the labour the that labour party on the day that they finally dropped their by—election. for by—election. candidate for rochdale , azhar ali, after he rochdale, azhar ali, after he was accused of peddling anti—semitic theories. >> the party hasn't changed. it's not changed. it's a con , it's not changed. it's a con, right? and that's what you have to remember a vote for anyone who's not me, who's not your conservative candidate is a vote to put him with his values and his party in power. you saw it last week. what that would mean for the economy . i can't tell for the economy. i can't tell you how he's going pay for you how he's going to pay for £28 billion decarbonisation policy. means higher taxes policy. which means higher taxes for you and everyone else stood by this person in rochdale until the media pressure too much . the media pressure got too much. like that's the values he's

doing he right doing everything he can right now to frustrate the passage of our rwanda bill in the house of lords. you want any of that lords. do you want any of that strong stuff that he thinks labour's a con? >> he was actually responding to a question about the threat of reform. recent reform. uk according to recent polls, are stealing votes polls, they are stealing votes off the conservatives at a rapid rate. tice , the leader rate. richard tice, the leader of reform uk, in just over of reform uk, says in just over there me now react there from me now to react to our exit poll. but sunak's our exit poll. but did sunak's performance tonight tame any of that rebellion ? as i said, that rebellion? as i said, tonight's audience were all undecided voters and here are the results. now of our exit poll . 50% of them said they will poll. 50% of them said they will vote conservative at the next election. 14% said they will vote for another party. there we go . 36% are still undecided. go. 36% are still undecided. keep that on the screen there, 50, 50% said they'd vote tory, 14% said they'd vote for another party and 36% remained undecided

. so well, rishi is claiming that was a victory, isn't he? i think fascinating numbers there. 50% of people in a room full of undecided listened to him and say they're to for say they're going to vote for him. get instant reaction him. let's get instant reaction andifs him. let's get instant reaction and it's the man himself. it's the leader of reform richard the leader of reform uk, richard tice , not great for you. tice richard, not great for you. that it. 50% of them are that is it. 50% of them are going for him. that is it. 50% of them are going i for him. that is it. 50% of them are going i don'tor him. that is it. 50% of them are going i don't know.. that is it. 50% of them are going i don't know. it looks >> oh, i don't know. it looks like it's a 5050. a close like it's a 5050. it's a close tie. seems to me patrick tie. it seems to me patrick doesn't labour is doesn't seem the labour party is anywhere. response to that. >> oh, okay. well presumably you were fewer were hoping that maybe fewer people would actually vote for him. 50% people, undecided him. 50% of people, undecided voters , you know, about 36% said voters, you know, about 36% said that they were still on the fence saying that they were still on the fencythey're saying that they were still on the fencythey're going saying that they were still on the fencythey're going to saying that they were still on the fencythey're going to vote|g that they were still on the fencythey're going to vote for that they're going to vote for another party. if you that another party. if you split that vote between all other vote between all of the other parties. mean, it's very hard parties. i mean, it's very hard to how many of them go to say how many of them go reform. are you reform. are you still are you still strong the polls? but we're feeling we're the >> but we're feeling we're the only party that seems be only party that seems to be going polls at the going up in the polls at the moment. patrick. and yeah, moment. patrick. and so, yeah, that's a very that's a that's a very interesting poll there. interesting exit poll there. does seem rather out of out of kilter with the 2,022% that all

of the other average of polls is currently showing the conservative party. so time . conservative party. so time. will tell. you know what polls are like. the one that counts, patrick, is the one on on election day. >> okay. all right. and look, just of those key just on a couple of those key points. are just points. if people are just tuning sunak was tuning in that rishi sunak was grilled right now and there's grilled in right now and there's 36% people out those 36% of people out of those 100 people were people in that room who were as yet are undecided people in that room who were as yet who are undecided people in that room who were as yet who toare undecided people in that room who were as yet who to vote 1decided people in that room who were as yet who to vote for. :ided people in that room who were as yet who to vote for. you know, about who to vote for. you know, he making that you he was making the point that you know, rwanda a good policy, know, rwanda is a good policy, was making point you was making the point that you need the need to trust the tories on the economy things right. and economy to get things right. and basically, vote for you, basically, if you vote for you, richard, vote for richard, if they vote for reform, get keir starmer. so reform, you get keir starmer. so i can't respond to that. >> yeah. look, we keep hearing about this. he's absolutely petrified . you can't be reward petrified. you can't be reward ed for 14 years of failure for breaking the country. i mean everybody says nothing works. we're paying ever higher taxes. nothing works. and so people are saying actually we've got to look elsewhere. and that's why we're going up in the polls. it's clear he's it's quite clear that's why he's so about even so petrified about even mentioning our name, because all

his advisers are saying, watch out for reform. and, you know, we're to see what happens we're going to see what happens over next coming weeks and over the next coming weeks and months, over the next coming weeks and monthsright. richard, >> all right. look, richard, thank and thank thank you very much. and thank you on the other you for holding on the other side that. for those side of that. for those exit poll the poll results. and let's get the thoughts now, shall we? of my wonderful panel this evening. and i do have daily express columnist carole malone , i've columnist carole malone, i've got journalist and commentator mike buckley. and i also have the former brexit party mep beunda the former brexit party mep belinda de de lucy carroll . the former brexit party mep belinda de de lucy carroll. um, i'm going to start with you and actually, i'd like to start by playing a little clip from from um, soon back there. this clip has already had 400,000 views on our twitter, and it is the clip of the vaccine injured man. and just listen to how impassioned this guy was. and of course, richie's answer i rishi sunak i get so much to say, but such little time. >> my name is . john wart and i'm >> my name is. john wart and i'm one of the covid vaccine injured in this country. i want you to

look into my eyes, rishi sunak, and i want you to look at the pain, the trauma , and the regret pain, the trauma, and the regret ihave pain, the trauma, and the regret i have in my eyes. we have been left with no help at all. >> okay, carol, what do you make of that moment? was richie rattled? do you think he's. richie did try to say he was very sympathetic. >> was. he did say as >> i think he was. he did say as soon as the guy stopped he soon as the guy stopped that he was sorry his was very sorry for his circumstances. much he circumstances. not much else he can know, i get can say. but, you know, i get why guy is compassionate , why the guy is compassionate, upset. but, know, we're upset. but, you know, we're forgetting time or forgetting the time or forgetting the time or forgetting was at the forgetting how it was at the time. you know, i think there are vaccine there are 30,000 vaccine injured there are 30,000 vaccine injured there are tens of thousands more people who died because when there was no vaccine. so i think we're forgetting that the terror of the times, the fear of the times, the hopelessness, then when the vaccine came, a lot of people went for it. no one was forced yes he's the forced to do it. yes he's the guy quite right. i'm sorry. guy was quite right. i'm sorry. i know his name. he was. i don't know his name. he was. he was. he was right when he said to do the said we were told to do the right thing. everybody right thing. not everybody did. but but, you but they made a choice. but, you know, to remember know, we also have to remember that the was new.

that the vaccine was very new. it you know, it was rushed out. it, you know, did it to be 100? did anyone expect it to be 100? probably not. but you i probably not. but you know, i feel for guy and i for feel for the guy and i feel for because he should be taken because now he should be taken care of. now the bottom line is it's been two years since almost the end of the pandemic. people it's been two years since almost the him of the pandemic. people it's been two years since almost the him shouldyandemic. people it's been two years since almost the him should be jemic. people it's been two years since almost the him should be jemic. care)le it's been two years since almost the him should be jemic. care of like him should be taken care of and feel cared for. and they should feel cared for. >> actually a >> well, we actually just had a policy before the policy announcement before the end this hour from richard end of this hour from richard tice said if reform , get tice, who said if reform, get in. one of the first things they do is set up an inquiry into the vaccine. injured and belinda, one thing that richard can't get away from is that it is like a ball and chain around neck. ball and chain around his neck. the that he was very the fact that he was very pro—vaccine at the time , okay, pro—vaccine at the time, okay, but we have just had this policy announcement here on patrick christys tonight that reform uk will that immediate will have that immediate inquiry. that the right thing inquiry. is that the right thing ? do same? ? should rishi do the same? >> we should. i do >> i think we should. i do differ with carol. i do think there was far much pressure there was far too much pressure put who were not put on people who were not necessarily anywhere near any risk at all to have a vaccine that they didn't want either to fulfil a work commitment to travel way too much pressure and

also a climate of ostracising those who chose to not go. and i think that was that was deeply unfair. >> and they used fear to try and push the vaccine on young my daughters, i mean, i, i didn't want my children to have the vaccine because they were at vaccine because they were not at risk . and i do think that there risk. and i do think that there are around how much are questions around how much pressure how people pressure and how people felt forced have a vaccine that forced to have a vaccine that they didn't only want, but they didn't only not want, but not i think it not necessarily need. i think it was good people and was good for old people and vulnerable but i do was good for old people and vulnethere but i do was good for old people and vulnethere should but i do was good for old people and vulnethere should bet i do think there should be investigation. how that climate of pressure was , was of fear and pressure was, was put people. put on people. >> now, belinda, >> in hindsight, now, belinda, i said carol, said it at the time, carol, i said it at the time, carol, i said it at time, maybe. but said it at the time, maybe. but there's people are there's a lot of people are talking now about talking in hindsight now about now of what know at now because of what we know at the time, there was national panic . panic. >> wasn't knowi panic. >> wasn't know i tweeted >> i wasn't i know i tweeted many, times about there many, many times about there being too much pressure put being far too much pressure put on those. being far too much pressure put on we;e. being far too much pressure put on we did know enough. >> we did not know enough. >> we did not know enough. >> point. one knew >> that's the point. no one knew enough. not even government. enough. not even the government. >> to it >> right? i just want to move it on slightly now we've got another and i'll go you another clip and i'll go to you on this first, mike. but we've got the prime got another clip now the prime minister's response to a

question about the issue of trans. >> i really don't think anything trans. >just'eally don't think anything trans. >just'eally quite think anything trans. >just'eally quite frankly, 1ything i just said, quite frankly, should . are we should be controversial. are we respectful and tolerant of people in their differences? it's particularly when they're going through are going through things that are sensitive. yes, of course we are. do we think biological sensitive. yes, of course we are. important1k biological sensitive. yes, of course we are. important1k bio|we're. was important when we're thinking safety or thinking about women's safety or women's health? yes, of course i think people would think think most people would think that is important. and in particular, these things particular, i think these things are important when we're considering our children, which is recently published is why we've recently published guidance for schools about how to these issues in our to deal with these issues in our classrooms . classrooms. >> mike, this is one area where the tories do absolutely beat labour down, isn't it labour hands down, isn't it being able to tell you what a woman is , labour knows exactly being able to tell you what a womta is , labour knows exactly being able to tell you what a womta woman our knows exactly being able to tell you what a womta woman is r knows exactly being able to tell you what a womta woman is asnows exactly being able to tell you what a womta woman is asnows keirtly starmer. >> i mean, i think sometimes you have extremes . have these extremes. >> like it just won't say sorry . >> like it just won't say sorry. >> like it just won't say sorry. >> you have these moments when you something you learn something about who somebody i think last somebody is. and i think last week rishi sunak was week when rishi sunak was attacking keir starmer, his policy on this and his views on this, when brianna ghey is um , this, when brianna ghey is um, uh, pronouncing the surname though, sorry, jai, jai, sorry. >> uh brianna ghey. his mother

was sat in the gallery in the house of commons and, and obviously this is a woman who has just lost her teenage year, um, to a brutal murder and that's, know, just been that's, you know, just been decided so um, the decided and so on. um, the inhumanity of it. this is nonsense is absolutely staggering. i think the vast majority have said that was distorted . distorted. >> you're distorting the fact not just in your own party. have someone has lost her child. >> she was sat in the gallery. >> she was sat in the gallery. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and rishi sunak you that he's still attacks that community. >> a place for whatever you think about the trans community. >> that was completely unconscionable . unconscionable. >> starmer attacked rishi first about lot people will have >> a lot of people will have made mind about rishi made up their mind about rishi sunak thinking sunak in that moment, thinking that the that he's going to attack the mother of a murdered teenager. >> that. >> i would say that. >> i would say that. >> say starmer use that . >> i would say starmer use that. that poor lady. no he didn't. >> it. >> he weaponized it. >> he weaponized it. >> used her. >> he weaponized it. >> mike, used her. >> he weaponized it. >> mike, i used her. >> he weaponized it. >> mike, i askjsed her. >> he weaponized it. >> mike, i ask you her. >> he weaponized it. >> mike, i ask you aer. >> he weaponized it. >> mike, i ask you a quick >> mike, can i ask you a quick question? if someone, say, a muslim was violently attacked because muslim and that's because he was muslim and that's a crime, does that mean a hate crime, does that mean we all to believing in all have to start believing in islam? when anyone islam? my point is, when anyone is attacked, it is a trans

is attacked, if it is a trans hate crime, doesn't we hate crime, that doesn't mean we have start following hate crime, that doesn't mean we have ideology. start following hate crime, that doesn't mean we have ideology. we ;tart following hate crime, that doesn't mean we have ideology. we have ollowing hate crime, that doesn't mean we have ideology. we have to owing hate crime, that doesn't mean we have ideology. we have to keep trans ideology. we have to keep parliament free of any pressure in gallery to not speak out in the gallery to not speak out about fundamental issues like defending and protecting women's single—sex which have single—sex spaces which have been relentless attack been under relentless attack from trans activists. and you can agree that the can still agree that the horrific of brianna was horrific murder of brianna was absolutely emotionally horrible. but parliament has to be free of the pressure to attack women, which is a time and a place, not no. parliament has to be free. >> and it was. >> and it was. >> that's where they were police for to keep women safe. >> they absolutely agree. that is a debate. >> they absolutely agree. that is asoebate. >> they absolutely agree. that is aso trans trans needs are to >> so trans trans needs are to attack women single—sex spaces because that's been happening. >> the case in the >> that is not the case in the it's exactly look at the sports. >> time. it's exactly look at the sports. >> look:ime. it's exactly look at the sports. >> look at e. it's exactly look at the sports. >> look at prisons. >> look at prisons. >> putting rapists in >> you're putting rapists in woman murdered . woman was murdered. >> her mother was sat in the gallery. that is not the time to have that debate. there are other times and other. >> started the debate >> starmer started the debate and sunak not and indeed sunak was not even having was using attack >> he was just using an attack on starmer because he on on keir starmer because he thought would get into thought it would get into parliament, to be free of

parliament, has to be free of pressure parliament, has to be free of pr to get in, i want to >> i want to get in, i want to get in. another point, another point, disagreement. point, a massive disagreement. okay nhs, all okay which is the nhs, all right, the nhs. and right, which is the nhs. and let's again from rishi let's just hear again from rishi sunak we'll have it sunak and then we'll have it out. saw that started to out. we saw that it started to fall because we didn't have strikes a period the end strikes for a period at the end of that has been strikes for a period at the end of real that has been strikes for a period at the end ofreal challenge that has been strikes for a period at the end ofreal challenge and has been strikes for a period at the end ofreal challenge and i'll; been strikes for a period at the end ofreal challenge and i'll justen a real challenge and i'll just be honest with that. be honest with you about that. >> november , the first >> but in november, the first month we had no month where we had absolutely no strikes the nhs , do you know strikes in the nhs, do you know what the waiting list fell by? 100,000. biggest one month fall in the waiting list in well over a decade. outside of covid. so that gives me the confidence that gives me the confidence that our plans can work and will work. the industrial action is something we need to work through , right? through, right? >> so carol strikes workers in the nhs. are they to blame for the nhs. are they to blame for the waiting lists? i think that to blame for the inflation of waiting lists in recent months, yes, but rather than have a go at them, i would have rather him talked about the advances that have been made, fact that have been made, the fact that since 2010 we have 47,000 more

doctors. >> we have 60,000 more nurses because we're forever hearing from labour that there's not enough of them. there are people in country that there are in the country that there are lots. yeah, but still 40,000 new doctors is quite a lot . and doctors is quite a lot. and 60,000 but i mean, 60,000 nurses. but i mean, i think he was completely right to say what said about of say what he said about of course, it equals if have course, it it equals if you have all your doctors and your nurses on strike. yes, the waiting lists are going over for only a fool would think we wouldn't. >> the tories line now. >> this is the tories line now. clearly, mike, the clearly, mike, going into the next election, which if your next election, which is if your junior get back junior doctors actually get back to picket to work and get off the picket lines, we'd have slammed through these lines, we'd have slammed through the well, rishi, you seem like >> well, rishi, you seem like a rather amusingly admitted himself. they haven't brought the waiting list down in over a decade, a of decade, which is a record of utter this utter failure from this government. the waiting lists are not high because we've had strikes mind strikes recently. bear in mind most people have had most of these people have had a 25% since 2010. the big 25% pay cut since 2010. the big rise in the waiting list was between and 2019, before between 2010 and 2019, before the , and it hasn't come the pandemic, and it hasn't come down since granted but down since then. granted but the big due underfunding big rise was due to underfunding and under—resourcing this and under—resourcing from this government. eric you said it talks about going back to square

one laboun talks about going back to square one labour. if by one with labour. well, if by that record waiting that he means record low waiting lists record lists in 2010, a record high satisfaction the nhs. you said it would perfectly to it would be perfectly happy to say they've a 25% pay cut. say they've had a 25% pay cut. >> do you know what average say they've had a 25% pay cut. >> iforyou know what average say they've had a 25% pay cut. >> iforyo third w what average say they've had a 25% pay cut. >> iforyothird year|at average say they've had a 25% pay cut. >> iforyo third year|at is? rage pay for a third year doctor is? do any idea? pay for a third year doctor is? do off any idea? pay for a third year doctor is? do off the any idea? pay for a third year doctor is? do off the top|y idea? pay for a third year doctor is? do off the top of dea? pay for a third year doctor is? do off the top of my? pay for a third year doctor is? do off the top of my head, no, >> off the top of my head, no, i don't you don't because don't don't you don't because you just talk. you just you just talk. >> what is it? it's 65 grand, which i don't think means they're it's they're on the boat, but it's still been massively second yean still been massively second year, n0, still been massively second year, no, no, year, doctor gets 45. no, no, that's the figures. year, doctor gets 45. no, no, thajulia.e figures. year, doctor gets 45. no, no, thajulia. doctors. year, doctor gets 45. no, no, thajulia. doctors are earning >> julia. doctors are earning less than people who are only working for 70. do you know what's interesting ? what's interesting? >> know what's >> do you know what's interesting? ever held interesting? no one is ever held to the nhs. ever. to account in the nhs. ever. it's enough don't it's got enough money. don't take single from take one single penny more from the it's. it's wastage the taxpayer. it's. it's wastage , wastage, wastage. and no one's held that to held account that needs to be changed nhs, people have changed in the nhs, people have got long tum. your lefties keep striking. >> found today that >> we just found out today that 1.5 million people in the last year over 12 hours year were waiting over 12 hours in a&e, which is awful. >> yes. so that's >> it is so yes. so that's management . management. >> see nothing about it . management. >> see nothing about it. i'm saying why don't we do something about yeah, let's the about it? yeah, let's stop the strike, mismanage. do strike, mismanage. they will do something nancy. something about nancy. >> gosh. >> yes. oh my gosh. >> yes. oh my gosh. >> there go. oh oh. now

>> there we go. oh oh. now coming up, another really contentious point. the rochdale by—election candidate azhar ali has been dropped by labour on the ballot. i mean this is an absolute hot mess. to be fair, not just there for labour, but they really they are. they are really struggling with this at the moment. israel gaza moment. it's like israel gaza issue, panel will issue, isn't it? my panel will react if they've not react to that if they've not killed other break. killed each other in the break. and tomorrow's and we've got tomorrow's newspaper but newspaper front pages. but first, on the prey to stay first, more on the prey to stay scandal. i am not letting this go here on patrick christys tonight, a bangladeshi man converted to christianity to avoid being deported after serving 12 years in prison for murdering his wife. so why are the church and the courts putting the uk in danger? and is grant shapps right that the woke mind virus is now infected our armed forces? who better to discuss this with than fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie? he's and ready go. he's riled up and ready to go. i'll see in a sec.

sunday mornings from 930 on gb news . news. news. news. >> it's patrick estes tonight. we're on gb news now. tomorrow's newspapers are flying in thick and fast so give and fast, so i'll give you a heads up on very, very heads up on those very, very shortly. um, but details shortly. okay. um, but details are emerging of the horrifying number of foreign criminals claiming to be christian in order to escape deportation. indeed, bangladeshi man who indeed, a bangladeshi man who served 12 years behind bars for murdering his wife, six appealed against the home office's attempts to deport him because he claimed he was a christian. a judge that he would be at judge ruled that he would be at

risk predominantly muslim risk in his predominantly muslim country , but not country in bangladesh, but not quite why. but there we go. quite sure why. but there we go. it days after it comes just days after a church minister revealed that he's baptised hundreds of asylum seekers in the sea in south wales and if you're watching us on tv or online, there's a clip of it there, for only half of them. it's a completely disappear immediately afterwards. well, who could have who would have bet a tenner on that? hey, speaking last week, a spokesperson for the church of england said the abdul ezedi case the, uh, clapham acid case is the, uh, clapham acid attack alleged abdul ezedi kc is clearly a shocking and distressing incident. our thoughts are with thoughts and prayers are with all affected by it. as all of those affected by it. as we've said, it the of we've said, it is the role of the home office not the the home office and not the church seekers. church to vet asylum seekers. however, kelvin mackenzie joins me former editor of the me now. uh, former editor of the sun . well, it's becoming sun. well, it's becoming increasingly , i think, actually increasingly, i think, actually the of england's fault, the church of england's fault, isn't it? i mean, if they're baptising people, baptising all of these people, they part and parcel of they are part and parcel of this. got situations this. and we've got situations where a bangladeshi who's where a bangladeshi bloke who's murdered still can't murdered his wife still can't be deported. because deported. why? well, because he's christian, which is he's now a christian, which is obviously right. he's now a christian, which is ovao sly right. he's now a christian, which is ovao he's right. he's now a christian, which is ovao he's not ght.

he's now a christian, which is ovao he's not at. he's now a christian, which is ovao he's not a christian. >> so he's not a christian. >> so he's not a christian. >> and even if he were a christian, he has murdered his wife. >> he is bangladeshi . >> he is bangladeshi. >> he is bangladeshi. >> i honestly don't care what happens to him back in his homeland . homeland. >> and right, the man's a killer i >> -- >> why? >> why? >> why? >> why should it be our responsibility to nurture him and find him work or or do whatever it is for it? >> this is a problem for his own country . country. >> and it's a it's his own country whose job it is to defend him. >> if there are, unless they are a nation where if they are a muslim nation, where actually they think it's quite a good thing for christians to be taken apart . and there are, of course, apart. and there are, of course, countries within the middle east in which that view is very much predominant. so it's an absolute disgrace. this the church of england's all this, and england's role in all this, and not the of england, not only the church of england, other as well , baptist other churches as well, baptist churches right uh, churches and the like. right uh, which is the one connected with ezedi , right? ezedi, right? >> or. >> or. >> no, they have a role and they have chosen to say we are all god's people. >> and then when this goes wrong, then they say, oh, it's

the home office . the home office. >> i'm afraid they are led by the archbishop of canterbury, who stands up constantly and says, boat people come on over and on that basis, if they want preferment within the church of england, then the way to get it is obviously to baptise people. >> should victims of asylum seekers who've converted to christianity and then gone on to commit crimes and where they've used their conversion to christianity as the basis to stay in country , be able to stay in the country, be able to sue welby? well that is sue justin welby? well that is a very good idea. >> and i think they should definitely. well, real definitely. well, the real question real question is question is the real question is why church , whoever it why does the church, whoever it is, whether it's this pastor, by the way, who shows he's basically in favour of doing this, why do they think it's a goodidea this, why do they think it's a good idea to be duped in this way? >> they know full well that these people are not christians, right ? so why do they do it? right? so why do they do it? what is in it for them? is there some donation to the church being made? does it make them feel better? personally, these questions have to be answered

and i would be grateful if somebody would pass a law which basically said, you have to actually face some strict . i actually face some strict. i mean, there was one judge pointed out to another judge that actually , how on earth that actually, how on earth could that person be can be converted , when in fact he'd converted, when in fact he'd only been in the country for five weeks and hadn't mentioned it on his arrival. so in five weeks he went from islam to the good lord and the conveyor belt is being exposed. >> so what we have now , and this is being exposed. >:according we have now , and this is being exposed. >:according to have now , and this is being exposed. >:according to testimony , and this is being exposed. >:according to testimony ofind this is according to testimony of people the church, was people within the church, was muslim men at the back of the church with of cash in church with wads of cash in their pocket, a ready army of people to baptised. people waiting to be baptised. then on facebook and then immediately on facebook and then shock, horror hours later, phone calls from immigration lawyers asking that vicar or that priest or whoever to go on record and vouch for that person being a christian now. so, so conveyor belt . belt. >> right. so the conveyor belt is it led by the is it led by, well, lefty lawyers as the chorus . chorus. >> it's the lawyers, but it's everyone involved, isn't it?

isn't it? but at the core , it's isn't it? but at the core, it's the lawyers who then put pressure know, pressure on a, you know, a village whatever village priest or whatever to say , oh, you this person say, oh, do you know this person is to get lynched if they is going to get lynched if they go back to country? how go back to their country? how can you have that on their conscience? to conscience? but welby's got to stand up about this. >> he doesn't want to, >> yes, but he doesn't want to, does he doesn't want to. and does he? he doesn't want to. and i probably and probably is i probably and probably it is probably of world is probably the end of the world is running the church of england. we need we surely no wonder, no wonder. nobody goes to church of england churches. why would they go there? nobody believes in anything except bringing lots of people . essentially. people illegally. essentially. it's quite wrong. >> they are the irony will be, obviously, if it all comes out, which it appears to be coming out, the church been out, that the church has been complicit helping load complicit in, in helping a load of aren't christian of people who aren't christian lie being christian, to lie about being christian, to then stay in the country and reduce the number of people actually i actually going to churches. i mean, self—defeating. mean, talk about self—defeating. i've you, i've got one more for you, though, grant though, because, uh grant shapps. our defence secretary has hit out at the woke, an extremist culture infiltrating the army after he was forced to hold crisis army hold crisis talks with army bosses plans to relax

bosses over plans to relax security checks to increase diversity. so kelvin , we've got diversity. so kelvin, we've got a threat of russia. we've got, uh, the turmoil in the middle east and apparently, apparently, we are now saying that diversity matters more than national defence. >> yes, yes, it it's madness. >> and we haven't got enough. we haven't got enough soldiers . by haven't got enough soldiers. by the way, we had two aircraft carriers which should have been heading out to a massive nato. the biggest nato. uh, get together since the cold war. and neither of them could leave portsmouth harbour because they were both they both weren't working them has now working. one of them has now limped god knows what's limped out. god knows what's going when the first going to happen. when the first when the first missiles fired. but are significant but there are significant issues within military . surely we within our military. surely we have believe that we are not have to believe that we are not going to face an issue where a, say, a major says to a subaltern , and i'd like you to go over that hill. and the guy turns around and says, i tell you what, i've been thinking about that hill, that hill looks a bit looks a bit large for me. do you

mind going over there and having a mean, once a look first? i mean, once we get which get into all that, which of course is happens course is what happens within employment you employ employment when you employ people, bend over people, you have to bend over backwards that backwards to make sure that they're what you they're going to do what you hope going to do. and if hope they're going to do. and if you getting in the you start getting that in the middle of a war, then i'm afraid i outcome in ukraine would i the outcome in ukraine would be quite clear for against a really vile enemy . and we are we really vile enemy. and we are we face a significant issue going forward. we have to be unfortunately strong. and i don't like using the word woke, but everybody has to be on the same page on this. yeah, yeah. >> we realistically we we've played fast and loose with a lot of institutions when it comes to putting diversity, inclusion and equality at the top of the agenda opposed to saying, agenda as opposed to saying, what job and what what is your actual job and what function needs to served function needs to be served here? think the military is here? i think the military is one area where i absolutely see that cannot happen, but it has happened , right? happened, right? >> and it can't happen in the police force either. kenny. >> that's true. that's well, it shouldn't really be happening anywhere. i mean, health care, i mean, you mean, actually, the more you think more it

think about it, the more it shouldn't really happening shouldn't really be happening anywhere, to be fair. but calvin, thank you very much. i have an mod have been speaking to an mod spokesperson who said this. our priority is protecting the national united national security of the united kingdom the kingdom and ensuring the operational, of our operational, effective of our armed take security armed forces. we take security extremely seriously. we bloody hope so. what is the ministry of defence? extremely defence? take security extremely seriously all seriously and ensure that all personnel appropriate personnel have the appropriate security clearance, which is reviewed on a case by case basis. brilliant thank you very much. ministry of defence. coming up. forget the small boats crisis, kids in southampton been dealing southampton have been dealing with own school coach with their own school coach crisis as they discovered suspected hiding in the suspected migrants hiding in the luggage hold of their bus that had been ferried back from france. good grief. can you imagine? also by the way, one of those migrants did something incredibly naughty in a girls school case, but i will tell you all that later. more all about that later. more details next, will details on that next, and i will bnng details on that next, and i will bring tomorrow's bring you all of tomorrow's newspaper front pages today. plus, the latest on plus, we have the latest on labour dropping the rochdale by—election azhar by—election candidate, azhar ali. this is massive for the labour party. we've been calling the shots on this doors labour party. we've been calling the son:s on this doors labour party. we've been calling the son patrickis doors labour party. we've been calling

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news. radio. >> it's patrick christys tonight , only on gb news, and i have just been handed tomorrow's front pages for you. so shall we do it ? let's go in with the do it? let's go in with the metro playing field ideology , metro playing field ideology, schools, contract, scandal exposed. so £30,000. grass cutting cost , even in winter, cutting cost, even in winter, means had skimps on staff. okay. all right. well, probably have to read a bit more in. such as why that's not a front page. but anyway, the sun curry cans £550,000 bill. coronation £550,000 tax bill. coronation streets are. bill roache owes the tax man nearly £550,000. his debtis the tax man nearly £550,000. his debt is revealed in court papers by the sun . uh, there's also by the sun. uh, there's also some stuff about beyonce and taylor swift . why not the daily

taylor swift. why not the daily mail care is forced to axe israel slur candidate. and this is for me, the story anyway, after the mail reveals that the would be mp attacked quotes jews in the media look , he's banging in the media look, he's banging on about how labour is a changed party. meanwhile you've got ac rally claiming that israel deliberately allowed the hamas october massacre of its october the 7th massacre of its own and much again own people and much more. again an unrelated taylor swift on the front cover. what's the obsession ? the guardian labour obsession? the guardian labour cuts ties with rochdale candidate over israel , comments candidate over israel, comments party activist told to stop campaigning for azhar ali. also a picture there of israeli hostages. i believe they've being released after , uh, a new being released after, uh, a new israel offensive in rafah. okay. all right. look so heck of a lot for us to go out there, uh, here with me on my show tonight. i've got my wonderful panel, my press packis got my wonderful panel, my press pack is daily express columnist carole , who's laughing at carole malone, who's laughing at something. i've journalist something. i've got journalist and buckley and and commentator mike buckley and former belinda former brexit party mep belinda de . breaking news former brexit party mep belinda de is breaking news former brexit party mep belinda de is thatyreaking news former brexit party mep belinda de is that labouri news former brexit party mep belinda de is that labour hasvs tonight is that labour has officially withdrawn its

candidate from the rochdale by—election, azhar ali. his apologised for remarks he made about israel in a community meeting. it's a secret recording obtained by the mail on sunday. ali said that israel had allowed the deadly attack by hamas gunmen on october 7. he's now retracted his remarks, saying he apologises unreservedly to the jewish community for my comments, which were deeply offensive, ignorant and false, he says that hamas is horrific. terror was the terror attack was the responsibility hamas alone , responsibility of hamas alone, and they're holding and they're still holding hostages must be released . hostages who must be released. um, but yesterday, labour's national campaign coordinator, pat mcfadden , said that mr ali pat mcfadden, said that mr ali would remain there. rochdale candidate but he's now officially been dumped by the party as flip flop central, isn't it? labour can't feel the new replacement. oh, mcfadden's piped up again. the fact that you've got the very rare circumstance where a political party is , uh, withdrawing party is, uh, withdrawing support from a candidate after nominations have closed so that

he can't be replaced as the labour candidate , shows that labour candidate, shows that keir starmer takes his statements about changing the labour party, takes his statements about rooting anti—semitism out of the labour party extremely seriously. >> and even though this was a tough decision to take, he took it. and in doing so, he knows he did the right thing. okay you stood by him, mate . stood by him, mate. >> carroll. >> carroll. >> that's absolute tosh. what he just said there is. starmer did not do the right thing. he was forced into doing the right thing after there was a clamour all today from everywhere all day today from everywhere saying you've got to get rid of this guy, this guy ali this guy. the guy, this guy ali only apologised profusely because he was found out. he didn't before . and for starmer didn't before. and for starmer to keep telling us he's got he's got the grips on anti—semitism. that's tosh as well . you know we that's tosh as well. you know we had month ago kate osamor had just a month ago kate osamor last year we had diane abbott the year before that we had jeremy corbyn. of these jeremy corbyn. all of these people suspended year before people suspended the year before that, chris williamson anti—semitism is bubbling under the surface of the labour party,

and starmer is nowhere near got it control. and the fact it under control. and the fact that taken a full day to that he's taken a full day to actually withdraw support from this shocking. and it this guy is shocking. and it just shows he cares more about political expediency than he does about principles, does about his principles, because the only reason he didn't attack the guy this morning was because he knows that that he's got muslim support and a lot of up and coming election by elections. he doesn't upset them. doesn't want to upset them. >> well, you're banging trouble at labour party . at labour party. >> i mean, keir has been absolutely clear and categorical on out anti—semitism in on rooting out anti—semitism in the labour party since he became leader evidence of that the labour party since he became le that evidence of that the labour party since he became le that very vidence of that the labour party since he became le that very rebuilt, of that is that he's very rebuilt, very strong jewish strong links with the jewish community. as evidenced a couple of there big of weeks ago, there was a big jewish movement, jewish labour movement, which is the the the jewish grouping in the labour conference. labour party conference. about 600 including 600 people there, including a seen including senior figures from community, from the jewish community, including himself. including keir starmer himself. so that's something that he's done incredibly successfully. >> fact that the jewish >> and the fact that the jewish community trust let finish. >> no, not gonna let that's rubbish. >> okay, fine. >> okay, fine. >> you carry on then. well, >> you just carry on then. well, i will carry on. >> you're saying the jewish >> you're saying that the jewish people are supportive no, people are supportive and no,

they jewish they don't. most of the jewish people don't vote. >> there's a huge amount of evidence that he's been very successful in rebuilding those links. >> the fact that he's now removed support this removed support from this gentleman is absolutely the right thing to do. apparently they've you statements they've been you statements that he's made have to he's made that have come to light, which the decision light, which is why the decision has remove support. has been made to remove support. now initially they had now whereas initially they had accepted his apology, but obviously that's that's no longer so it's longer tenable. so it's unfortunate, ended in unfortunate, but we've ended in the right place. >> that's the point. go on. berlin right. >> just quickly imagine if an mp candidate after candidate had said after the horrific it horrific manchester attacks, it wasn't done by islamist wasn't done by an islamist terrorist . it done by the terrorist. it was done by the british government. those british government. all those innocent people slaughtered, they wouldn't stood they wouldn't have stood a chance. have been chance. they would have been banished, thrown at that banished, thrown out at that very didn't very instant. keir didn't need any extra statements on that statement . he should have statement alone. he should have been dropped away been dropped straight away and it just the horror it wasn't just the horror of what was saying. the worrying what he was saying. the worrying thing he saw thing is, is he saw a profitability in saying it to that community that is what is terrifying and what will be interesting now is to see whether george galloway or indeed the who on his campaign

pamphlet, i believe, says he's standing for palestine. >> i think you make a i think you make a really good point at a really good point, which is that the problem is that those kind of views clearly appeal to an ever increasing number of the british electorate, and that is something that we've been saying on this programme for a good something that we've been saying on thi now,gramme for a good something that we've been saying on thinow, is|mme for a good something that we've been saying on thinow, is ,nme for a good something that we've been saying on thinow, is , ine for a good something that we've been saying on thinow, is , i think, a good something that we've been saying on thinow, is , i think, onlyod while now, is, i think, only going to increase. uh, here are all of the candidates standing in the rochdale by—election. we've got azhar ali. easy for me to say who is now an independent. uh mark coleman, independent. uh mark coleman, independent simon danczuk reform uk ian donaldson, liberal democrat. paul ellison, who's a conservative george galloway , conservative george galloway, workers party of britain. mike howarth, independent william howarth, independent william howarth , independent. guy otten howarth, independent. guy otten green party and raven rodents of the official monster raving loony party and david tully, independent. sounds a bit like the shipping forecast, that one i'm reading out, doesn't it? but those are of candidates those are all of your candidates and we still have more to go through here. i've got more

front pages for you. coming up, the racing the british horse racing authority has been slammed for allowing tory peer allowing under—fire tory peer michelle to run a horse in michelle mone to run a horse in april's grand national, despite her multimillion pound ppe row with government. so should with the government. so should she her nag ? she be allowed to run her nag? find out when i crown great britain and union jack out shortly, but , britain and union jack out shortly, but, and i'm looking forward this forward to talking about this with anger doubled with my panel, anger has doubled child rapist and killer colin pitchfork could be free from prison again , and i've just been prison again, and i've just been seeing a story here, which is suella braverman former home sack making people sack saying, stop making people feel guilty being white. feel guilty for being white. stay tuned. tina tech

more front pages for you. now let's do it. we go in with the times. we'll build more homes in the right places , vows the prime the right places, vows the prime minister. he says he'll put rocket under the rocket boosters under the construction industry. all right. buckingham, right. hours after buckingham, labour cuts ties with the

candidate that's the candidate in gaza. that's the rochdale by—election we've spoken the telegraph spoken about that. the telegraph braverman don't make people feel guilty for being white. former home secretary says is dangerous and wrong to call the countryside racist. look, i'll tell you what i will start with this with my panel and then i'll move to on colin pitchfork, because that guy well be move to on colin pitchfork, bec on e that guy well be move to on colin pitchfork, bec on e th streets well be move to on colin pitchfork, bec on e th streets again. /ell be move to on colin pitchfork, bec on e th streets again. um be out on the streets again. um gone. belinda is suella braverman right to say that white people feel white people shouldn't feel guilty for white? guilty for being white? >> absolutely . i do think there, >> absolutely. i do think there, um, a sort of force to try um, is a sort of force to try and demoralise and even dehumanise white people , all to dehumanise white people, all to be responsible for all the sins in the world. you know, we're responsible for all the slavery, all the wars, everything ever went all to down went wrong. it's all to down people with this colour of skin. and it's just it's a horrific line. it's a terrible narrative. you one should feel you know, no one should feel guilty today about the guilty alive today about the slave trade , about the british slave trade, about the british empire. and so i do think it's right to stand up to anti—white racism at all times. >> do feel guilty >> why do you feel guilty for being i don't, but i

being white? no i don't, but i mean, this is quite an odd, um, story, to be quite honest with you. >> i mean, true, of course, >> i mean, it's true, of course, that still a big that racism is still a big problem society, it problem in our society, and it needs challenged every needs to be challenged in every possible there possible way. however there apparently um , some apparently some, um, some reason, some countryside charities have said that the countryside is a racist place and, you know, people have ethnic minority don't feel comfortable going mean, comfortable going there. i mean, all i'm going say response comfortable going there. i mean, all i'm yomg say response comfortable going there. i mean, all i'm you this say response comfortable going there. i mean, all i'm you this quote response comfortable going there. i mean, all i'm you this quote from onse is read you this quote from nihal arthanayake, a bbc nihal arthanayake, who was a bbc uh, obviously from uh, presenter and obviously from an he says an ethnic minority. and he says to entirety britain an ethnic minority. and he says to being entirety britain an ethnic minority. and he says to being racist|tirety britain an ethnic minority. and he says to being racist andy britain an ethnic minority. and he says to being racist and colonialain as being racist and colonial does help encourage people does not help encourage people from minorities from ethnic minorities to go into countryside, a into the countryside, which is a perfectly so perfectly reasonable point. so why have why are these charities have made these statements? i don't know, because read the know, because i've not read the backstory on it, but i think it's perfectly reasonable just to was it's perfectly reasonable just tc good was it's perfectly reasonable just tc good thing was it's perfectly reasonable just tc good thing they was it's perfectly reasonable just tc good thing they did. was a good thing that they did. >> mean, >> yeah. i mean, the demographics of rural is, demographics of rural areas is, is something like 94% white, but there's a reason doesn't mean people are racist, though, does it? exactly. that's that's what i'm saying. it'sjust exist actually in britain. >> with what >> i actually agree with what mike just there. um, you mike just said there. um, you know, i know, felt the know, i know, i know, i felt the same but the reason same way. um, but the reason that there are few people of

that there are so few people of colour living in the countryside is because when people come to colour living in the countryside is b> okay um, we do have this >> yes. okay um, we do have this colin pitchfork discussion, which be colin pitchfork discussion, whichquick be colin pitchfork discussion, whichquick now. be colin pitchfork discussion, whichquick now. this e quite quick with now. so this is double killer. double child rapist and killer. colin is essentially colin pitchfork is essentially up for parole again. carol

>> it's incredible. he was he was put up for parole in december. and he was he was thought at that point this was like a month and a half ago not to they're to be fit for release. they're now it again. this now looking at it again. this guy two people. he's guy murdered two people. he's a child . and he's a double child rapist. and he's a double murderer. and the parents of those kids are just beside themselves. this guy is not themselves. so this guy is not fit to be let back into society, should be in jail for rest should be in jail for the rest of his life. >> mean, he was out mike of his life. >> then n, he was out mike of his life. >> then n, he wa from out mike of his life. >> then n, he wa from memory and then recalled from memory because he, um, got too close to some of the kids. >> he started chasing girls or women again. >> so, i mean, obviously they took him back in. >> it that this is >> i mean, it seems that this is almost i imagine almost i mean, i can't imagine that to him that they're going to let him out again. surely not. this is just them following procedure. so apparently there's the testimony that they should have taken last taken into account at the last hearing. they didn't, which hearing. and they didn't, which means back and means they have to go back and do but it is almost i, do it again. but it is almost i, i conceive of them i cannot conceive of them letting happened letting out, given what happened last child rapists. >> very quickly, child rapists. child a child murderers should be in a hole in ground a bread hole in the ground with a bread roll at them. maybe once roll thrown at them. maybe once a day, if they're lucky. uh, maybe water every two

maybe a glass of water every two weeks. they do. weeks. let's see how they do. listening to the screams of their victims 24 over seven. forget them in a hole. forget jail. put them in a hole. >> it's former justice >> oh, it's the former justice secretary there, lucy . uh, secretary there, lucy. uh, giving it large . all right. giving it large. all right. okay, look. now it seems like it's just the beaches of kent that illegal migrants are choosing to make their way into britain. but it's not because school southampton were school kids in southampton were left when discovering left stunned when discovering two suspected illegal migrants were hiding under bags in the luggage compartment of their coach after returning from a school to france. so they school trip to france. so they opened the oh, he opened the door. oh, there he is, one of the men inside declared. excuse moi, before trying to run off, but was stopped by parents waiting to pick their children up and one child's luggage was left covered in there we in urine as well. so there we go. nice little present for everybody. so anyway , the home everybody. so anyway, the home office telling us where everybody. so anyway, the home office are telling us where everybody. so anyway, the home office are nowzlling us where everybody. so anyway, the home office are now though. where everybody. so anyway, the home office are now though. these these are now though. these chaps, but right. it's time now to greatest to reveal today's greatest britain jackass . britain and union jackass. greatest britain. carol, minus defence secretary grant shapps, which is amazing because i don't like him much. >> but he's pledging to end the

poisonous, woke and extremist culture that taken over our culture that has taken over our military talking about, culture that has taken over our mili know, talking about, culture that has taken over our mili know, we talking about, culture that has taken over our mili know, we need ng about, culture that has taken over our mili know, we need a] about, culture that has taken over our mili know, we need a fighting you know, we need a fighting force. doesn't matter what colour doesn't colour anyone is, it doesn't matter. ethnicity, what matter. but ethnicity, what gender just need the best gender you just need the best people for the job. and he's quite right. >> right. but you >> he's quite right. but you know, we have had 14 years anyway. go on. what? they've had 14 happen. 14 years to not let this happen. and happened. 14 years to not let this happen. and woke ened. 14 years to not let this happen. and woke thing has only just >> the woke thing has only just jumped aboard the diversity of us. thing they did us. and the other thing they did as was they said for as well was they said for remembrance sunday, we have to make nonsense . make it less christian nonsense. >> all right, go on. my greatest britain, please. so mine is a chap professor john fenn chap called professorjohn fenn feng. >> i hope pronouncing his >> i hope he's pronouncing his name from name correctly. he's from warwick university. he is developing a test early blood developing a test an early blood test detect dementia , which test to detect dementia, which could help save lives and help prevent disease. so is prevent disease. so this is a good thing. >> a very nice thing. >> this is a very nice thing. okay. go on. >> greatest brit is a british >> my greatest brit is a british actor, fiennes , for actor, ralph fiennes, for speaking publicly against trigger warnings for theatre productions. and this is amazing because actors who speak out against wokery and snowflakes are as rare as hen's teeth, so

well done for him. he said. audiences should be shocked and should disturbed. that's the should be disturbed. that's the whole play. whole point of a many a play. >> got clip. whole point of a many a play. >> i got clip. whole point of a many a play. >> i thinkgot clip. whole point of a many a play. >> i think the clip. whole point of a many a play. >> i think the impact of theatre should be that you're shocked and you should be disturbed. i don't should don't think you should be prepared things in and prepared for these things in and when was young, i never we when i was young, i never we never warnings never had trigger warnings for shows would you get rid of them >> so would you get rid of them then? >>i then? >> i would, yes, i would well hey, very strong contenders today. >> grant shapps is today's greatest britain for trying to basically put national security over diversity . see. um, right. over diversity. see. um, right. we've just about got time for union jackass. carol >> bank of england. eight years after the referendum result, still on a on a monthly still asking on a on a monthly questionnaire. what business? if they're having problems with the referendum, asking about referendum, not asking about ukraine or or anything ukraine or covid or anything else but also i've else but that. but also i've been for most of the been saying for most of the governor of bank of england, andrew wants to, andrew bailey, if he wants to, he sacked. if he he should be sacked. if he really know why really wants to know why businesses are damaged, how about soaring inflation and soaring interest rates? that's probably england probably why the bank of england has him genuinely has a heck of a to answer for actually.

a lot to answer for actually. >> really mike >> yeah, they really do. mike who's your jackass? who's your union jackass? >> not talk >> i mean, well, we'll not talk about so mine is the about that issue. so mine is the british horseracing authority about that issue. so mine is the british hmichelleg authority about that issue. so mine is the british hmichelleg authoriin the because michelle eamonn in the house famously owes us house of lords famously owes us owes country 122 million for owes the country 122 million for selling dodgy ppe. they're going to let her race her horse in the grand national she grand national anyway, and she might of cash. might win and get loads of cash. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> all right. what >> all right. what >> it's not the horse's >> i mean, it's not the horse's fault, >> i mean, it's not the horse's fau the horse racing >> the british horse racing authority's fault, all right? it's not the horse . i'm not. it's not the horse. i'm not. >> blame the horse . okay. go on. >> blame the horse. okay. go on. belinda. yeah >> my jackass. a comedian >> my jackass. it's a comedian called curry who apparently called paul curry who apparently after show, um, brought after his show, um, brought a palestinian flag onto the stage and got the audience to stand up and got the audience to stand up and when a group of men didn't stand up, he asked why. and they were jewish, and they he. then paul encouraged the whole of the theatre to chant, get the f out to these jewish men. it's a shocking look. >> today's union jack is the bank of england. it's a double bumper for carol. thank you very much. not. it's this much. oh no it's not. it's this guy curry. there i guy paul curry. there we go. i would shared with her. would have shared with her. thank you. thank you . i'm off. thank you. thank you. i'm off.

i'll see you tomorrow at 9:00. wonderful . a brighter wonderful people. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. of weather on. gb news. >> hello. very good evening to you, alex berk. you're here again with your latest gb news weather forecast. it will be a bit chilly of us bit chilly for some of us tonight rain tonight with some showery rain around, but tomorrow when around, but it's tomorrow when we're have the wettest we're going to have the wettest weather association with a weather in association with a low pressure system that is currently waiting just currently waiting out just to the of however, back to the west of us. however, back to the west of us. however, back to the now . and we the here and now. and we do still some blustery winds, still have some blustery winds, particularly towards northern parts as we go through the night. also be some night. and there'll also be some showery outbreaks of rain pushing southeastwards across some of the uk, though some parts of the uk, though many areas staying largely dry. some skies as well. and some clear skies as well. and under these clear skies, temperatures will take of temperatures will take a bit of a mid single figures towards a dip mid single figures towards the a bit colder the south a little bit colder than this north. some than this further north. some places freezing so places dipping below freezing so could a patchy frost. even could be a patchy frost. even some icy patches to watch out for first thing tuesday morning .

for first thing tuesday morning. otherwise, through otherwise, as we go through tomorrow wet tomorrow morning, then a wet start parts of the start across parts of the southwest, some heavy outbreaks of here. rain then of rain here. that rain then feeds its way northeastwards across of england , wales across much of england, wales and northern ireland. and and into northern ireland. and just into the far south of scotland through afternoon . scotland through the afternoon. two across the two staying dry across the north, brighter two but chillier temperatures in mid single figures, milder towards the southwest of as we go southwest of the uk as we go towards wednesday . it's another towards wednesday. it's another unsettled picture much of unsettled picture for much of the areas will be the uk. many areas will be cloudy . outbreaks of rain, cloudy. outbreaks of rain, which could bit heavy at could be a little bit heavy at times. the chance of times. always the best chance of seeing some bright sunny weather will of will be across northern parts of scotland, holding on to that scotland, but holding on to that chilly feel, there otherwise and more weather come as we chilly feel, there otherwise and mothrough/eather come as we chilly feel, there otherwise and mothrough thursday come as we chilly feel, there otherwise and mothrough thursday could as we chilly feel, there otherwise and mothrough thursday could be we go through thursday could be some . rain around some disruptive. rain around friday drier . by that friday is looking drier. by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> the top story from the jp newsroom tonight. the prime minister has been defending his government's economic record dunng government's economic record during a live appearance on the gb news people's forum tonight, rishi sunak told voters in north yorkshire today that the government's economic plan was starting to work .

government's economic plan was starting to work. he government's economic plan was starting to work . he answered starting to work. he answered unvetted questions on the economy, housing, education, tax, the nhs and even the covid 19 vaccine on the prime minister told the people's forum all the uk's economic indicators were heading in the right direction . heading in the right direction. >> plan is working. you can see that on the economy, you can see it in lower taxes. the alternate live going back to square one live is going back to square one with the labour party. you can't tell you what he's going to do differently. a differently. he doesn't have a plan means we won't get plan and that means we won't get the change our country the change that our country deserves. the change that deserves. that's the change that i want to deliver for all of you. >> rishi sunak speaking on gb news earlier. well in other news, labour has withdrawn its support for rochdale by—election candidate azhar ali following criticism of remarks he made about israel . mr ali had about israel. mr ali had apologised after he was recorded at a meeting of the lancashire labour party, suggesting that israel had taken the october seventh hamas assault as a pretext to invade gaza. labour has been under pressure to expel