gb news. >> good afternoon britain . it's >> good afternoon britain. it's 12:00 on tuesday. the 13 of february. >> labour in chaos. the party suspends its by—election candidate in rochdale following an anti—semitism row . candidate in rochdale following an anti—semitism row. keir starmers u—turn follows further comments from azhar ali, in which he attacks jewish journalists. it leaves labour without a formal candidate in this month's vote, so is under fire. >> prince harry and meghan markle have been accused of using their royal ties for commercial gain after they relaunched their website using the sussex title and royal crest. despite it having ditched their royal duties as tacky or savvy and illegals crack down

record high fines for those who employ or rent properties to illegal migrants. >> will the new measures bring down the numbers? who enter britain illegally? >> now the child murderer colin pitchfork is going to be facing a fresh tribes council over whether or not he should be released. >> yes, and this raises the question really , of whether question really, of whether child killers and similar criminals should ever be released from prison. the mother of one of the victims has come out very strongly , and she's out very strongly, and she's clearly distressed by even the nofion clearly distressed by even the notion that this could be a possibility , be that you could possibility, be that you could release a child killer. but then the question is whether prison is for rehabilitation . you could is for rehabilitation. you could possibly, even if you're a child

killer, can you change to living a life change at all? >> and what is prison for ? is >> and what is prison for? is prison for simply remove living threats from society or is it about changing and reforming people so that they can re—enter society ? uh, personally? society? uh, personally? >> do you know what i think? i think child killers. i think that's a line that i think we can all probably agree on. >> well, i think i think, no, you're in there for life. >> life sentence. this >> whole life sentence. this isn't is isn't just about you. this is about victims, about your victims, their families the of the public. >> and within that almost shows , >> and within that almost shows, i think, an understanding that many people have. there are some crimes for which people can perhaps be reformed, can re—enter society, and perhaps there is a line in the sand. there are some crimes, perhaps multiple murders, that show that people are just irrevocably evil, irrevocably bad. romans by nature exactly that. >> whereas some people would dispute that. it's all about all about nurture rather than nature . let what think. . let us know what you think. vaiews@gbnews.com. we're going to later to be having the debate later

on. a feisty on. it's going to be a feisty one. your headlines. one. but first, your headlines. >> emily, thank you. your top stories from the gb newsroom . stories from the gb newsroom. the prime minister has defended his government's economic record dunng his government's economic record during a live appearance on the gb news people's forum last night, rishi sunak told voters in county durham that the government's economic plan was starting to work. he answered an array of unvetted questions on the economy, on housing, on education, tax, the nhs and even the covid 19 vaccine. the prime minister told the people's forum all the uk's economic indicators were heading in the right direction. plan is working. >> you can see that on the economy you can see it lower economy you can see it in lower taxes. the alternative lviv is going to square one with going back to square one with the labour party. you can't tell you what going to do you what he's going to do differently. have a differently. he doesn't have a plan. we won't plan. and that means we won't get the change that our country deserves. that's the change that i want to deliver for all of you i >> -- >> labour has withdrawn support

for rochdale by—election candidate azhar ali over comments he made about israel . comments he made about israel. mr ali apologised after he was recorded during a meeting suggesting israel had taken the october 7th hamas assault as a pretext to invade gaza. as such , pretext to invade gaza. as such, labour has been under pressure to expel him . from the party. to expel him. from the party. labour mp . steve mccabe told gb labour mp. steve mccabe told gb news he would not vote for mr ali. independent adviser to the government on anti—semitism , government on anti—semitism, lord john mann, told gb news labour's move was bold but necessary . necessary. >> he to throw . a parliamentary >> he to throw. a parliamentary seat in a general election year is quite extraordinary to throw it at any time has never happened before and so i would say this is a bold decision. um, it's certainly the right decision. and labour needs to make sure that it's systems don't allow people like ali to get selected in the future . for

get selected in the future. for wage growth has slowed in the uk, with new figures showing it's at its lowest level for more than a year. >> the office for national statistics found job vacancies also fell back once again as britain's cooled. britain's job market cooled. on average, excluding average, regular pay excluding bonuses, fell to 6.2% in the last three months of last year compared with the same period a year before . so it's the slowest year before. so it's the slowest growth since october 2022. however, after taking price rises into account , however, after taking price rises into account, pay went up by 1.9. employer. heirs and landlords who allow illegal immigrants to work for them or rent their properties will face much tougher penalties from . much tougher penalties from. today. the penalty for such actions has risen to a maximum of £45,000 per worker for a first breach. that's up from £15,000, having tripled . it's £15,000, having tripled. it's the biggest increase in more than a decade . that fine could than a decade. that fine could increase again to £60,000 for repeated breaches. that's up from 20,000. ministers believe

the crackdown will help reduce the crackdown will help reduce the incentive for illegal migrants crossing into the uk . migrants crossing into the uk. thousands of train passengers are facing severe disruption . as are facing severe disruption. as repairs are carried out following a landslip on one of the uk's busiest rail routes. network rail says the incident between and rugby between coventry and rugby blocked a section of the west coast main line between london's euston new euston and birmingham, new street. network rail closed the line in both directions overnight to carry repair overnight to carry out repair work. the line isn't expected to reopen until at some point this afternoon . the housing secretary afternoon. the housing secretary is going to put pressure on london as he pushes for all local councils in the capital to build more homes. michael gove wants all councils in england to build homes on brownfield sites under new plans. it's part of a wider effort by the conservatives to boost housebuilding with younger voters in particular expressing concern about the difficulty of getting onto the property ladder under recently proposed reforms. it'll become harder for the larger city councils to refuse

construction . on a previously construction. on a previously developed brownfield land if local housing targets aren't met. housing minister leigh rowley admitted to us earlier that house building has slowed and the government needs to go further . further. >> if our urban areas , some of >> if our urban areas, some of where there is lots of brownfield sites, are just not building enough . the mayor of building enough. the mayor of london, where i'm standing today , he's not built enough houses in the few so we in the past few years, so we absolutely need to build more homes, but we want to build them in the right place. and where where councils where mayors are not doing the right thing. we need not doing the right thing. we neerbar for refusal on the bar for refusal on brownfield need to brownfield site should need to go higher, and all part of go higher, and it's all part of our long terme plan for housing. it's about showing that the government serious about government is serious about tackling that we tackling the challenges that we are seeing , and tackling the challenges that we are seeing, and king tackling the challenges that we are seeing , and king charles has are seeing, and king charles has returned to london after travelling from sandringham by helicopter. >> his majesty had been staying at his country residence following his cancer treatment. he's postponed all public facing dufies he's postponed all public facing duties but is continuing with

behind . the scenes work on his behind. the scenes work on his red boxes of state papers. the queen has been carrying out her royal engagements and last week said her husband was doing extremely well under the circumstances . extremely well under the circumstances. his for all extremely well under the circumstances . his for all the circumstances. his for all the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gb news. com slash alerts. now back to tom and . emily. >> thanks, tatiana . now, the >> thanks, tatiana. now, the lawyer who led a review into the labour party's culture has said that the handling of the row overits that the handling of the row over its rochdale by—election candidate has been shambolic. >> us martin ford kc, claims that mps within the party feels there have been a disparity in treatment of allegations of anti—semitism , following the row anti—semitism, following the row back in support of azhar ali. >> he could have a point . >> he could have a point. starmer's party withdrew backing for mr ali after reports from the daily mail suggested that he had people in the media

had blamed people in the media from certain jewish quarters for fuelling criticism of a pro—palestinian mp. bit of an anti—semitic trope there. >> well, we can go now to our gb news political editor chris hope, who joins us from county durham . and, chris, this is durham. and, chris, this is a fascinating situation because on the one hand, just yesterday the labour party was rowing in behind this candidate despite what he said about this conspiracy theory of israel knowing about the attacks and only . last night did they u—turn only. last night did they u—turn only. last night did they u—turn on this following further revelations. that's right. >> tom and hello emily. that's right . penny for the penny for right. penny for the penny for the thoughts of lisa nandy pat mcfadden . um, and of course, mcfadden. um, and of course, nick thomas—symonds. those three shadow cabinet ministers . were shadow cabinet ministers. were wheeled out since sunday night to defend this candidate, azhar ali. and that lasted for about 36 hours before he too, had lost the support of sir keir starmer.

um, it's a self—inflicted blow after last week's reversal on the £28 billion to be spent annually . the £28 billion to be spent annually. uh, in the second part of this of the next parliament, if the labour win the election on it shows how if the labour win the election on labour it shows how if the labour win the election on labour are it shows how if the labour win the election on labour are notit shows how if the labour win the election on labour are not making how if the labour win the election on labour are not making the/ if the labour win the election on lmoves|re not making the/ if the labour win the election on lmoves here.t making the/ if the labour win the election on lmoves here. despite] the/ right moves here. despite their 20 point lead in the polls. although . i did see one today although. i did see one today suggesting it could have fallen to as little as ten points, according more according according to more in common, i've common, a real worry here. i've never known time covering never known in my time covering politics two decades politics going back two decades for party to surrender for a major party to surrender a seat so easily. this seat in rochdale. a by—election is february 29th, has a 9000 voted majority . at the last election, majority. at the last election, the labour party overnight has simply said , we we're not going simply said, we we're not going to win it. we're going to give it to an independent. that independent. if that candidate wins, the former labour candidate , is azhar ali. candidate, it is azhar ali. george galloway could win it. we know simon danczuk for the reform party. of course, he has appeared occasionally on gb news, the party has news, but the party has essentially had to give away a

seat. it should have won or should be winning when the when the vote happens. because it the vote happens. um, because it has failed properly to vet this candidate and his views on the october 7th attacks on israel by hamas is a complete farce . hamas is a complete farce. >> and christopher, we know george galloway isn't without his owner allegations against him for anti semitic remarks. he's lost jobs over it in the past , or at he's lost jobs over it in the past, or at least one that i can think of . um, christopher, in think of. um, christopher, in terms of how keir starmer looks with all of this going on, lack of leadership, perhaps a lack of political now sending out his , political now sending out his, uh, a member of his cabinet out to defend this man . to defend this man. >> yeah . we are expecting to >> yeah. we are expecting to hear from sir keir starmer possibly today. he certainly needs to say something. get back on the front foot. we haven't heard from him since the allegations first appeared in the mail on sunday. and essentially what's happened in the overnight. as far the daily mail overnight. as far as see, the same as i can see, is the same recording and more allegations have from the same

have emerged from the same recording. now, what should have happened at labour is they happened at labour hq is they should got hold the should have got hold of the original recording, out original recording, found out what and taken a view on what it said and taken a view on it instead , they allowed the it instead, they allowed the daily to find more things daily mail to find more things he said, which are unpalatable , he said, which are unpalatable, and then get of him. after and then get rid of him. after three. as i said, three shadow cabinet ministers went out to defend him. appalling defend him. it's appalling leadership by by by sir keir starmer. got a lot starmer. he's got a lot of questions about why he questions to answer about why he allowed to happen and it does allowed it to happen and it does allowed it to happen and it does allow tories to back allow the tories to throw back the this party the claims that this party hasn't changed, really , since hasn't changed, really, since jeremy corbyn was leader and anti—semitism has reared its ugly head in that party. you have got these issues in some parts of the country. it looks like the party was keen just to look , say what is most look away, say what is most fascinating about this to me is the that it has with the echoes that it has with bofis the echoes that it has with boris johnson's time as prime minister. >> of course, the big concerns that many people had in the conservative party that eventually, arguably got rid of bofis eventually, arguably got rid of boris johnson was being told to go out onto the media to defend a policy or defend a minister,

or defend someone like chris pincher, only for the government to then change their position and the minister themselves to look very silly for having made that defence. that's precisely what's happened here with keir starmer's leadership. he's made one decision. he's u—turned , one decision. he's u—turned, he's made his own ministers, his own shadow cabinet. ministers look very, very silly indeed. might there be some people thinking, hang on, is this man really cut out for the job? well this history here, tom, as you say, that's right. >> of course you can look at the bofis >> of course you can look at the boris johnson example, although i it's easy i don't think it's as easy to remove a labour leader as it is to a tory leader, at least to start a vote of confidence. start a vote of no confidence. don't forget sir keir starmer at start a vote of no confidence. don beginning r keir starmer at start a vote of no confidence. don beginning of eir starmer at start a vote of no confidence. donbeginning of lastrtarmer at start a vote of no confidence. donbeginning of last week r at start a vote of no confidence. don beginning of last week was the beginning of last week was defending that £28 billion commitment, only drop it commitment, only to drop it within two days. last thursday . within two days. last thursday. so it has happened before . i so it has happened before. i think also you must reflect, surely, that if you're in opposition it's much easier really to be a party in opposition. all you've got to control the control is messaging and do the basics right, like checking out the background of a candidate .

the background of a candidate. but if you're in government that is much harder. someone once said of course you can do said that of course you can do in opposition poetry, but you in opposition in poetry, but you govern the govern in prose. that's the hard bit of governing as well as trying a party and trying to run a party and ensuring discipline, being in opposition should be the easy part . now sir keir part somehow. now sir keir starmer quite starmer has made it look quite difficult recently. >> yes. and christopher , you >> yes. and christopher, you were the people's were reporting the people's forum, the gb news people's forum, the gb news people's forum last night where rishi sunak was asked many a question. rishi sunak did mention this. he'd only heard the news that labour decided to withdraw labour had decided to withdraw their support for this candidate. five minutes before the question and answer session. so what did he have to say ? so what did he have to say? >> well, that's right , so what did he have to say? >> well, that's right, rishi sunakis >> well, that's right, rishi sunak is here. he was at the at the big club in newton aycliffe near here, where i am in darlington market square. um, yeah. it was, it was a q&a with an audience that was selected by survation. um, questions were asked our viewers and other people stood up to microphones and asked him questions. the range a range of issues. the

main theme that came out from the question, the answers given by the prime minister just by the prime minister was just don't risk it. don't risk all of what i'm trying to do here. return that the country back onto a stable footing after the covid pandemic, billion covid pandemic, £400 billion of our spent on that. the our money spent on that. the energy caused by the war energy shock caused by the war in ukraine. don't risk it all on laboun in ukraine. don't risk it all on labour. and of course, his team couldn't believe it when, at 7:30 pm, half an hour before it started, news from rochdale dropped and had gave him dropped and that had gave him a chance look, look, it's chance to say look, look, it's the old labour. nothing has the same old labour. nothing has changed. don't fooled sir changed. don't be fooled by sir keir attempts to keir starmer's attempts to rebrand party as a changed rebrand that party as a changed party. um i thought it was interesting to hear , um, the interesting to hear, um, the personal of some of the personal nature of some of the attacks that mr sunak talked about. he felt that the attacks on on private schools are putting vat on private school fees. he felt it was an attack on his parents. he went to winchester, of course, his parents stay for and he parents stay for that and he went on a scholarship and he the personal of some personal nature, i think of some of the attacks on sir keir starmer not have gone down starmer may not have gone down well the room. thought, but

well in the room. i thought, but certainly outside room for certainly outside the room for the have the viewers they would have landed and that's the landed and that's why the election has started . election campaign has started. it's road to the ballot it's a long road to the ballot box night. box but started last night. here was an interesting one. >> christopher the >> christopher, about the schools. it will have, schools. i think it will have, uh, would have landed very differently depending on who you are, what type of person you are. definitely yeah. >> think a very powerful >> but i think a very powerful personal moment. anyway, christopher personal moment. anyway, christ

>> first of all, happy pancake day. >> uh tom and ellie. it's a it's a perfect flip, isn't it? really so, uh, there you go. i won't, uh, i won't use the other phrase to do with flipping pancakes about the opposition, but, uh, no , i think eventually we'll no, i think eventually we'll catch up. i think the prime minister did really well last night a very tricky night. it's a very tricky audience there, but you're just talking about what he was saying about education. that really, really struck a chord as really struck a chord with me as an ex head teacher. and yes, some of it was about independent schools aspiration. but schools and aspiration. but then he mentioned he also mentioned apprenticeships. he was apprenticeships. uh, he was mentioned about what's right for our . he was talking our children. he was talking about standards and about improving in standards and so on. so have to say, i think so on. so i have to say, i think that went down really, really well seeing well. and you're seeing labour now under the first now probably under the first actual real pressure. and uh, they seem to be falling apart whether it's on the 28 billion or whether it's on this candidate, they've selected for rochdale. mess that is. >> brendan, do you think he risked there? perhaps some suggest sting that those who don't send their children to

private schools aren't as aspirational as his parents, though it kind of sounded a little that to me . little bit like that to me. >> well, we all want the best for our kids , emily, i think for our kids, emily, i think it's of these. comes down it's one of these. it comes down to parental the end to parental choice. at the end of those of the day, some of those parents choose massive parents choose to make massive sacrifices to send their children a school that's children to a school that's right them. some people have right for them. some people have special educational needs . i'm special educational needs. i'm dyspraxic you know, i have my own needs in that sense. you know where i had to change is made for me. and a lot of these schools, they're not sort of youn schools, they're not sort of your, uh, you know, your eaton's, hogwarts and those your, uh, you know, your eat0|of. hogwarts and those your, uh, you know, your eat0|of things. ogwarts and those your, uh, you know, your eat0|of things. there's and those your, uh, you know, your eat0|of things. there's a smallse kind of things. there's a small dependent and dependent schools. and the problem is, and i've problem with these is, and i've got a very large one, worksop college, where i uh, if college, where i am, uh, if these kids, kids these kids, these kids on scholarships else , scholarships go somewhere else, they're going to putting in they're going to need putting in state now, your state schools. now, if your school already struggling in school is already struggling in terms places , there's a lot terms of places, there's a lot of competition, then they're going to out as well. so so going to lose out as well. so so really, i thought was really, i thought that was a really, i thought that was a really rounded, uh, speech really well rounded, uh, speech about education. there's something for everybody. spoke a bit about this pathway to universal hs2 remember tony

blair told everybody that, yeah, all kids can go to all your kids can go to university. have a great university. you'll have a great job after it. and then what do we the market we do? we flood the market with graduates. plumbers graduates. we've got no plumbers , builders, engineers. and , no builders, no engineers. and so thought was so on. so i thought that was probably the best thing i've heard on education yet. so i'd like to hear more of that. >> turning to the by—election now, brendan, of course , in now, brendan, of course, in 2019, in rochdale , your party, 2019, in rochdale, your party, the conservative party came second, second to the labour party . now, at second, second to the labour party. now, at this second, second to the labour party . now, at this by—election, party. now, at this by—election, the labour party is no longer endorsed a candidate. surely it will be very embarrassing for you and your party if you don't win it now ? win it now? >> well, i don't know. i mean , >> well, i don't know. i mean, there's some very set circumstances . it's difficult circumstances. it's difficult for a governing party as we know with by elections, as it has been with all of them. we have that great success in in hartlepool. it's been a bit more difficult since then. uxbridge went very well for us, but went went very well for us, but even labour party , they were even the labour party, they were scared death about george scared to death about george galloway other people and galloway and other people and that's maybe been a been a

factor and why they dithered for so long and okay, they did the right thing in the end. i think after out after yet more news came out at the but you have to say, the end. but you have to say, why did this happen? >> you should really, as a party, winning a by—election party, be winning a by—election if not even a labour if there's not even a labour candidate with support from the party? >> well, we'll give it a go. certainly and we don't take anything for granted . uh, anything for granted. uh, anything for granted. uh, anything can happen in by elections , as we know. and it is elections, as we know. and it is difficult for a governing party. elections, as we know. and it is difficu got�*r a governing party. elections, as we know. and it is difficu got kingswoodng party. elections, as we know. and it is difficu got kingswood ,3 party. elections, as we know. and it is difficu got kingswood , we've'. elections, as we know. and it is difficu got kingswood , we've got we've got kingswood, we've got wellingborough as well this week as probably on as well. so probably focus on those , focus on those ones those, focus on those ones first. but now, you know labour, they could take their logo off that be uh list of that there'll be this uh list of candidates now are candidates to select. now are they going to campaign there. they sent couple of shadow they sent a couple of shadow ministers there. that's incredible. ministers there. that's incredinow that ministers there. that's incredi now that they've ministers there. that's incredinow that they've had to them. now that they've had to back down. but i'd say what the most worrying thing and most worrying thing is. and certainly rochdale certainly if i lived in rochdale , you know, there was a meeting there where that recording has , you know, there was a meeting there out re that recording has , you know, there was a meeting there out re theirecording has , you know, there was a meeting there out re their candidate.as come out of their candidate. now, will have been other now, there will have been other people that room people who were in that room at the doesn't seem to the time, and he doesn't seem to have challenged on those have been challenged on those quite views that quite appalling views that he's

had. this an endemic had. so is this an endemic problem? is this going hammer problem? is this going to hammer labour's going labour's vote? uh, is that going to turn certain communities against labour, you know, do they that labour have been they feel that labour have been quite. they feel that labour have been qui'that's a good point. why did >> that's a good point. why did he comfortable saying those things? >> and crucially, we're learning and this is unverified. but the website guido fawkes is asking the question today was debbie abrams, the labour mp, one of your colleagues, brendan of course, on the opposite benches. might she have been at that meeting? that's question being meeting? that's a question being asked today . i asked on social media today. i look forward to hearing if there's answer the there's an answer from the labour very labour party, but just very finely clarke—smith . if finely brendan clarke—smith. if it debbie abrams it turns out that debbie abrams was that meeting , the labour was at that meeting, the labour mp and she didn't call out any of this or the labour of this or alert the labour party it , should of this or alert the labour party it, should labour of this or alert the labour party withdrawiuld labour of this or alert the labour party withdraw the labour of this or alert the labour party withdraw the whip abour of this or alert the labour party withdraw the whip from' her. >> well, that's quite extraordinary, isn't it? and laboun extraordinary, isn't it? and labour, of course, have withdrawn the whip from people who've said various things about gaza various things with gaza or various things with anti—semitism related and i think we're talking about the double standards with the candidate here. i think candidate here. and i think certainly people the left of

certainly people on the left of the party it's become the party feel that it's become very an actual very tribal. but if an actual member of parliament was in that meeting that, meeting and heard that, certainly i were in the room, certainly if i were in the room, i would be challenging that very strongly. you've got a duty to do yeah, i think there's do it. so yeah, i think there's some answered . some questions to be answered. and out that and if it does turn out that whether that member of parliament indeed anybody parliament or indeed anybody else councillors or so on else or any councillors or so on were there, then i think were in there, then i think there actually could be more to come tom. there actually could be more to con huge. tom. there actually could be more to con huge. absolutely huge. well, >> huge. absolutely huge. well, thank you so much. brendan clarke—smith , for talking clarke—smith, for talking through big issues through those big, big issues with us here on good afternoon britain. >> former deputy >> of course, former deputy chairman conservative chairman of the conservative party. some of those party. interesting some of those points made there . um, but we're points made there. um, but we're going to move on, are. ali going to move on, as are. ali has since released a statement in for these in which he apologises for these comments. we must read this out, he said. i apologise unreservedly the jewish unreservedly to the jewish community for my comments, which were offensive ignorant community for my comments, which werefalse. offensive ignorant community for my comments, which werefalse. hamas sive ignorant community for my comments, which werefalse. hamas is'e ignorant community for my comments, which werefalse. hamas is horrific. 'ant and false. hamas is horrific. terror attack was the responsibility of alone terror attack was the resp theyility of alone terror attack was the respthey are' of alone terror attack was the respthey are still alone terror attack was the respthey are still holding one and they are still holding hostages who must be released. of course, he said that after the first releasing of these, he hasn't said anything since we learned jews in the media

learned about jews in the media orjewish quarters , in the media orjewish quarters, in the media and of tripe . and all of that tripe. >> but here are candidates >> but here are the candidates standing in the rochdale by—election azhar ali still on the ballot. it will be written as labour party, but of course no longer their formal no longer with their formal endorsement. coleman, endorsement. mark coleman, independent simon danczuk reform uk ian donaldson, liberal democrats paul ellison , democrats paul ellison, conservative george galloway, workers party of britain michael howarth, independent william howarth, independent william howarth, independent. guy otten , howarth, independent. guy otten, green party, raven, rodents , green party, raven, rodents, abdullah, official monster raving loony party and david tully , an independent. tully, an independent. >> ah, well, there you go. good stuff . those are all the stuff. those are all the candidates. democracy for you. let us know what you think about them is concerning. there them is a concerning. if there were of the labour were members of the labour party, know , members of party, you know, members of parliament heard these parliament who heard these comments then didn't comments and then didn't escalate . but anyway, escalate things. but anyway, coming new penalties coming up, tough new penalties introduced for employers introduced today for employers and landlords give jobs to and landlords who give jobs to illegal immigrants or rent them. properties our security editor will have the story for us after this short .

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. good afternoon britain. >> now i should say that the website guido fawkes has actually asked 11 labour members of parliament whether or not they were at that october. the 31st meeting where azhar ali made those comments. so it would be wrong to highlight just one of those questions asked because 11 labour member members of parliament have been asked that question , although we're to question, although we're yet to hear of hear back from them. but of course, bring updates. course, we'll bring you updates. >> from today, >> but in other news from today, rogue landlords and employers who hire and rent illegal immigrants face tougher immigrants will face tougher penalties . that's immigrants will face tougher penalties. that's as immigrants will face tougher penalties . that's as the penalties. that's as the government its efforts government continues its efforts to illegal migration. >> now, fines for businesses employing under documented migrants have tripled to £45,000 for each worker. for a first breach, and landlords now faced increased penalties of £5,000 per lodger and £10,000 for each

occupier for a first breach. gb news home security editor mark white reports . white reports. >> the home office is ramping up enforcement activity against those living and working illegally across the uk . illegally across the uk. >> what you speak a little bit of english. >> okay, we're going to take you into this room and just speak to you here. you in here. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> this raid on an east london construction company, of construction company, one of hundreds operations hundreds of similar operations over the past year, which saw immigration enforcement officers increase their activity by almost 70. now from today, the fines facing businesses and landlords who employ or accommodate illegal workers are being increased substantially . a being increased substantially. a gb news investigation into illegal employment found a number of asylum seekers working in breach of employment rules at this car wash in aldershot .

this car wash in aldershot. photos. so you're the manager? yeah, yeah . did you know that yeah, yeah. did you know that this man was an asylum seeker? no, i didn't know. this man was an asylum seeker? no, i didn't know . under the new no, i didn't know. under the new rules , businesses caught rules, businesses caught employing migrant s illegally will see potential maximum fines rise from . 15,000 to £45,000. rise from. 15,000 to £45,000. >> i support the government's policy. >> it's the right one. morally speaking . rogue employers, rogue speaking. rogue employers, rogue landlords shouldn't be allowed to accommodate illegal immigrants . to accommodate illegal immigrants. um, but will this make a difference to the pull factor to the number of illegal migrants who want to cross the channel or arrive here through the back of a lorry? it probably won't have that much of an effect for a couple of reasons. firstly we, uh, this needs to be zealously enforced and many legal immigrants operate in a clandestine fashion . they're off clandestine fashion. they're off the grid, so to speak . and

the grid, so to speak. and secondly, if you arrive here illegally, it's very difficult to do for the government to deport you to a country that's deemed unsafe . deemed unsafe. >> immigration can come to the doon >> immigration can come to the door. please >> rogue landlords accommodating illegal migrants without proper background checks also face a significant hike in fines from £1,000 for each tenant . to £1,000 for each tenant. to 10,000 might bring it back. michael kill ministers believe the crackdown on illegal working will help lessen the pull factor which are being exploited by people smugglers to entice migrants to cross to the uk illegally . many migrants to cross to the uk illegally. many find their way into low skilled work in the likes of the gig economy in brighton, gb news was shown evidence of the huge surge in illegal immigrants working in the food delivery sector, taking advantage of a loophole in contracts which enable drivers

to lease out their deliveries to third parties. there are no official figures for the number official figures for the number of migrants working in the illegal economy, but some estimates suggest that number may be higher than 1.5 million mark. white gb news is . mark. white gb news is. >> right . there you go. let's >> right. there you go. let's speak to former liberal democrat home office minister norman baker on this. norman, you were just watching the report there, i hope. um, now . would it not be i hope. um, now. would it not be my thoughts are would it not be more effective to deal with this problem at the border than chasing after countless landlords may chasing after countless lar harbouring may chasing after countless larharbouring illegals may chasing after countless larharbouring illegals ? may be harbouring illegals? >> well, it would be, of course, in that's assuming in theory, but that's assuming that is secure and that the border is secure and people can be checked at rigorously when they come in. >> and indeed when they go out. rigorously when they come in. >> and that'si when they go out. rigorously when they come in. >> and that's notien they go out. rigorously when they come in. >> and that's not the :hey go out. rigorously when they come in. >> and that's not the casejo out. rigorously when they come in. >> and that's not the case asout. rigorously when they come in. >> and that's not the case as we know. >> you look i mean, there are there are in my mind there are two of, businesses two categories of, of businesses or landlords. there those or landlords. there are those

who small businesses who who are small businesses who maybe got one person who shouldn't be there . shouldn't be there. >> not even know that >> they may not even know that they're be they're not supposed to be employing person . and for employing that person. and for them to be quite them those finds to be quite heavy. be an indian heavy. it may be an indian restaurant or something like that. are the that. and then there are the mass scale employers who know exactly what they're doing. and they're the ones the government should the ones they're the ones the government shou are the ones they're the ones the government shouare running the ones they're the ones the government shouare running thefarms. who are running cannabis farms. you've got have a ship you've got or have got a ship full people shipping, uh, full of people out shipping, uh, fishermen , uh, who are known to fishermen, uh, who are known to be illegal. they're the ones i think we should go after. not the businesses . the individual small businesses. but let me just say this as well. are categories of well. there are categories of people who are here, we people who are here, and we should there should differentiate those there are those know they are those who know they shouldn't and are shouldn't be here. and are clearly illegal. that's those who've arrived, uh, without documentation, who've not declared themselves, who've not sought asylum , who have sought asylum, who have disappeared into the country . disappeared into the country. there are those who have been refused asylum and have disappeared. they're clearly people who should be clamped down on. but then there are those who are trafficked, particularly children particularly women and children who are actually being exploited

. we need to be very careful to not make that situation worse, as i think theresa may, for example, made very clear when she was prime minister and then there are those who have properly asylum and properly claimed asylum and their case has not been determined yet by the inefficient and dysfunctional home office. um, and i've always taken the view that those people who in a sense, playing the who are, in a sense, playing the system properly should be encouraged to work and contribute society rather contribute to society rather than being a drain on this country . country. >> i think raise a very >> i think you raise a very valid point and valid point there, and particularly about those who are women are women or children are vanishingly small proportion of those across the those who come across the channel. people should channel. but those people should perhaps be treated differently from aged males who from the working aged males who seem to come across in much larger numbers. well, norman baker , i'm afraid that's all we baker, i'm afraid that's all we have but you so have time for. but thank you so much for joining have time for. but thank you so much forjoining us here on good afternoon should down much forjoining us here on good afte ason should down much forjoining us here on good afte ason on should down much forjoining us here on good afte ason on the�*uld down much forjoining us here on good afte ason on the landlords down just as hard on the landlords and employers that and the employers that are exploiting and the employers that are expoh, ng and the employers that are exp oh, ngthey're exploiting and the employers that are expcabsolutely.e exploiting and the employers that are expcabsolutely. yeah oiting then absolutely. yeah >> there you go. let >> yeah. well there you go. let us what think. views us know what you think. gb views gbnews.com. course, gbnews.com. that was of course, norman baker.

>> well, coming up the world wide sussexes harry and meghan launch a brand new website and get this, they're accused of using their royal titles for commercial gain. who would have thought, who would have thought ? thought, who would have thought? well, this is well, don't go anywhere. this is good . good afternoon britain. >> tom, thank you very much. your top stories from the gb newsroom. the lawyer who led a review into the labour party's culture, says its handling of the row over comments made by azhar ali about israel are shambolic . martin ford kc, told shambolic. martin ford kc, told bbc radio four that mps within the party feel there's been a disparity in treatment of allegations of anti—semitism . allegations of anti—semitism. labour withdrew its support for mr ali after comments he made were recorded during a meeting in which he suggested israel had taken the october 7th hamas assault as a pretext to invade gaza. the prime minister has defended his government's economic record during a live appearance on the gb news people's forum last night, rishi

sunak answered an array of unvetted questions on the economy, housing, education, tax , the nhs and even the covid 19 vaccine. the prime minister said all of the uk's economic indicators were heading in the right direction. >> plan is working. you can see that on the economy you can see it in lower taxes. the alternative live is going back . alternative live is going back. to square one with the labour party. i can't tell you what he's going to do differently. he doesn't have a plan and that means won't get the change means we won't get the change that the change that i want that's the change that i want employers and landlords who allow illegal immigrants to work for or to rent their for them or to rent their properties , will face much properties, will face much tougher from today. tougher penalties from today. >> penalty for such >> the civil penalty for such actions has risen to a maximum of £45,000 per worker for a first breach, landlords now also face increased penalties of £5,000 per lodger and 10,000 per occupier for a first breach. that's up from 80 and £1,000. ministers believe the crackdown will help reduce the incentive

for illegal migrants crossing into the uk, and king charles has returned to london after travelling from sandringham. his majesty had been staying at his country residence following his first cancer treatment . he's first cancer treatment. he's postponed all public facing duties. postponed all public facing dufies.the postponed all public facing duties. the queen has been carrying out her royal engagements and last week said her husband was doing extremely well under the circumstances . well under the circumstances. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> well, good afternoon britain. it is 12:39 and prince harry and meghan have once again been accused of using their royal titles for commercial gain. this, after they relaunched

their new website using their sussex title and royal crest . yes. >> so their previous site archewell now automatically redirects . you do do redirect redirects. you do do redirect you to sussex.com and name of course inspired by their son archie. well harry is highlighted as a military veteran, a mental health advocate and an environmental campaigner, while meghan is described as a feminist and a champion of human rights and gender equality . we are always gender equality. we are always modest . let's bring in our royal modest. let's bring in our royal correspondent cameron walker. cameron, i see that, uh, the sussex sources there are saying that's their name. they're not making use of their royal titles for ties , for commercial gain. for ties, for commercial gain. this is all genuine and lovely. >> well, it's certainly a very glossy new website , emily. and glossy new website, emily. and to be fair to the source , to be fair to the source, speaking on behalf of the sussexes to the mail today, it is their name. they are sussex and agreements which were and the agreements which were struck between the royal household and harry and meghan

in 2020, spoke specifically about not using the word royal for commercial gain , or an for commercial gain, or an inference to do with the word royal. it never mentions the word sussex, and that's what clearly they've splashed across this website, but used a royal crest with a crown on it, which is actually meghan's crest, granted to her by queen elizabeth the second in 2018, following their wedding. plus using within the website their children's titles. so prince archie, princess lilibet and of course the duke and duchess of sussex. all of these could perhaps be interpreted as similarities or inferences of their royal connections . now, their royal connections. now, their royal connections. now, the question for harry and meghan and the royal family is are they going to have commercial gain from these inferences? i suspect it's going to come down to your interpretation . is this new interpretation. is this new glossy website going to lead to more media deals and therefore

making more money for harry and meghan or is this just going to be a bit of a damp squib and a failed attempt by the sussexes to perhaps get a bit more on the hollywood pr a—lister circuits following quite bad polling following quite bad polling following the netflix documentary of their messy exits as working royals and indeed, harry's memoir spare um. and of course , it all comes down to the course, it all comes down to the court of public opinion as well. but the royal family, even if they do absolutely hate the fact that harry and meghan have launched this new website. i'm not saying they do. they might not saying they do. they might not care less, but if they did care, , they don't really have care, um, they don't really have any get rid of it. and any power to get rid of it. and neither the british neither does the british government harry and meghan are private and they're private individuals and they're allowed what want, allowed to do what they want, although struck in although they struck a deal in 2020, legally binding. 2020, it's not legally binding. >> interesting , though, >> it's interesting, though, because even though sussex is their name, the website doesn't say harry and meghan sussex. it doesn't it. you could easily have sussex. com harry and meghan sussex sussex but it says prince harry and meghan. the

duke and duchess of sussex. it has their titles, not just their name, they're titles but they've taken royal out of the website. >> so it's gone from sussex royal to just sussex , but it's royal to just sussex, but it's got their crest on it. >> it's got prints on it, it's got duke and duchess on it. i thought they wanted to get away from traps . ings from all those traps. ings cameron is this just some people who want all of the benefits and trinkets of royalty with none of the duties i'm getting the sense that it the duties i'm getting the sense thatitis the duties i'm getting the sense that it is the duke and duchess of sussex having another attempt to make it in the hollywood or a—lister circuit. >> tomorrow. we're expected to see the two of them in public at the one year countdown to the invictus games in canada. of course, it's something that prince harry has widely been respected for launching the invictus games for wounded, uh, better ones. and we saw them on the red carpet, didn't we, a few months ago. cosy up to the paramount executive . we know

paramount executive. we know their spotify deal was cut early, so a critics would perhaps say they're running out of ideas. really, to make it. of course, their montecito mansion won't come cheap neither will their round the clock security, which harry would argue that he needs to keep his family safe. he's obviously lost his british taxpayer funded security, so it's all a bit of a mess for them. but it's a very glossy website, so we'll have wait them. but it's a very glossy web see. so we'll have wait and see. >> very interesting indeed . of >> very interesting indeed. of course a look >> very interesting indeed. of couthemselves. a look >> very interesting indeed. of couthemselves. thank a look >> very interesting indeed. of couthemselves. thank you. »ok for themselves. thank you. cameron royal cameron walker, our royal correspondent . let's some correspondent. let's get some more pr more insight from talent and pr manager shalit . manager jonathan shalit. jonathan, thank you very much for joining me again on the forjoining me again on the show. great to speak to you. um, is website not tacky or is this new website not tacky or savvy ? savvy? >> savvy? definitely savvy. i don't know why you'd think it was tacky. it's a website promoting themselves when you send out your biography to get new work, you present yourself in the best possible life. light is anybody. does anybody watching this program right now? jonathan, you know, we're talking about the use of the

royal ties, the use of the royal crest, the duke and duchess of sussex when they've, uh, well, abandoned their duties, really, to the royal family haven't they ? that's a whole separate issue with this decision to step down. this conversation about that. this conversation about that. this conversation about that. this conversation is about how they go forward. that is his name, prince harry. you can't say to someone you're given a name at birth and it's now been taken away from you . he is taken away from you. he is prince harry. that's a fact . he prince harry. that's a fact. he is the the king. so is the son of the king. so you're a prince by definition. whether you choose to work as a prince or not, you're still a prince. there children were given the title of prince and princess. press , if he. princess. the press, if he. >> if he wants to be a prince, he had every opportunity to be a prince. but i'm sorry. being a prince. but i'm sorry. being a prince this country doesn't prince in this country doesn't mean get to around mean you just get to go around in carriage. in a golden carriage. it means you a renee you have to go to a renee shopping centre the east shopping centre in the east midlands, and open and cut a fibbon midlands, and open and cut a ribbon and stand there in the drizzle and take your duty. but he doesn't want to do that . he he doesn't want to do that. he wants to himself wants to sun himself in california. keep california. he wants to keep the title without standing title prince without standing

there the old people's home there at the old people's home and shaking people's hands and doing all of the duties that royals are supposed to do. don't you the difference? there you see the difference? there >> of course i see the difference. i'm not stupid, but thank um thank you for suggesting it. um the fact matter is , he is the fact of the matter is, he is not taking any money from the british government. he's not taking from the taking any money from the british taxpayer. he's not taking any public money whatsoever . it's if someone has whatsoever. it's if someone has a name by birth because their parents were a certain name, or someone gets married and is married to someone for a long while and then gets divorced from them, i don't think it's reasonable they reasonable to say they then can't keep using surname. can't keep using that surname. he born a member the he was born a member of the royal family >> yes, but this isn't just a family. firm. it's often family. it's a firm. it's often referred to as a firm. and firms, course , have various firms, of course, have various logos that are associated. his crest has a crown on it . how crest has a crown on it. how many people's family crest have crowns on them ? crowns on them? >> first of all, i think you just said it was meghan's press, not his press. he was. she was given that press by her given that press by her. her late, um, grandmother law .

late, um, grandmother in law. she's been given that press. i don't think you you're not given a given the press and then take it away. gifted it away. she was gifted that press by her ex grandmother in law. >> i think if one of us had a famous surname that granted us certain privileges, and then our son or daughter decided to disown us and run away and off our family, i wouldn't be very happy for them to make commercial gain for my son or daughter, to make commercial gain of my name, not that gain out of my name, not that that but thank that will ever happen, but thank you shalit . you very much. jonathan shalit. always you. always great to speak to you. talent manager. i can see talent and pr manager. i can see jonathan's there. you know jonathan's point there. you know it they can use it is their name. they can use it is their name. they can use it they so wish. and it's it as they so wish. and it's a savvy me it's savvy pr move. but for me it's a little bit gauche . as one little bit gauche. as one described it in the daily mail, this morning. >> i don't know why it doesn't just all, just say pilot harry. after all, he award being he did get that award for being such superb pilot. why can't such a superb pilot. why can't he trade off that reputation rather than who his parents are? >> well, let us know what you think. are we being bit mean? >> well, let us know what you thiniiskre we being bit mean? >> well, let us know what you thiniiskrepra being bit mean? >> well, let us know what you thiniiskrepr manager bit mean? >> well, let us know what you thiniiskrepr manager int mean? >> well, let us know what you thiniiskrepr manager in there,|? um. is a pr manager in there, jonathan? more on the jonathan? was he more on the ball with this? uh, let us know what think . uh, ball with this? uh, let us know what think. uh, coming ball with this? uh, let us know

what think . uh, coming up, what you think. uh, coming up, bradford's new £12 million cycle lane project gets underway. is it money well spent? >> we'll be discussing that after this .

to gb news radio . to gb news radio. >> welcome back. >> welcome back. >> now, bradford's new £12 million cycle lane project gets underway today, aimed to benefit those on two wheels to get through the country . through the country. >> yes, it is west bradford cycle superhighway will create 1.5 miles of segregated lanes. and is that it 1.5 miles for £12 million. wow. okay and a spokesperson for the council says he hopes they can lure motorists out of their vehicles and on to bikes. well, why don't you do that first before you decide to go through this extremely expensive construction process that will just make the

area more congested in my opinion . opinion. >> now, emily, i completely agree with you. building things is far too expensive in this country. roads cars country. building roads for cars is far too expensive. we know the lower thames crossing has has gone into the hundreds of millions of pounds for the planning application alone. before they've laid before they've even laid anything the road. so yes, anything of the road. so yes, things are too expensive to build. completely agree with you, it's a you, but i think it's a ridiculous. a farcical ridiculous. it's a farcical point to say, don't people point to say, why don't people cycle and then we'll build the cycle and then we'll build the cycle lane? well, people don't cycle lane? well, people don't cycle they want cycle because they don't want to be hit by car. >> you need demand. >> you need to judge, demand. and also people don't and also a lot of people don't cycle can't cycle because they either can't cycle because they either can't cycle don't want cycle or they don't want to cycle or they don't want to cycle particularly the cycle you, particularly when the weather you at weather conditions you look at places , where places like amsterdam, where actually people cycled actually very few people cycled what they did, then they changed the of the very different. >> separated cars. you're >> they separated cars. you're separated cars from cyclists, not comparable to cyclists. >> bradford is hilly. if you've been to bradford, you know bradford that it's hilly. it's not best place to be cycling not the best place to be cycling . bradford , who . and susan, from bradford, who must know what she's talking about regarding the new cycle

lane bradford. it's going to lane in bradford. it's going to cost million for only 1.5 cost £12 million for only 1.5 miles. we need potholes, repairing there lots of repairing and there are lots of other the money could other things the money could be spent council is useless, spent on our council is useless, john it's another anti john says it's another anti motorist scheme . motorist scheme. >> it's pro motorist . it's pro >> it's pro motorist. it's pro motorist because it's taking the cyclists out of the road. the road should be for cars. the cycle lane should be for cyclists. do we have a cycling enthusiast dave sherry i think we do. thank you and we do. dave thank you and welcome to the program. dave, please tell emily why she's so wrong to be against this segregated cycle. lane >> well, if they're not on the road, they're not going to be a danger or a hindrance to car drivers. >> so that's a good point. the like pedestrians are in their safe space. >> so what would you rather them be on a segregated cycle track or in the middle of the road? i think the problem is it's constricts the roads so fewer people can drive. >> also can be a bit of a hazard for pedestrians. i'm sure i'm not the only one who has tried

to cross a road. when a bike goes straight past me and almost knocks me over, well , i drive knocks me over, well, i drive professionally in london and speed limits 20 miles an hour. >> um , if the cyclists are safe >> um, if the cyclists are safe to overtake , there is an issue. to overtake, there is an issue. you've got to go with the flow of traffic. if a cyclist beats . of traffic. if a cyclist beats. yeah, then you're going slower in him . in him. >> so you drive in london. actually so do you not think that this is all part of a bit of an anti motorist venn detta ? of an anti motorist venn detta? >> i do feel a bit sorry for the car drivers. >> so i drive majority of my day behind the wheel . behind the wheel. >> and to be honest with you , >> and to be honest with you, the infrastructure for cyclists now succeed in the car drivers. they are going from two lanes down to one mm bus lanes are disappearing. >> well this is a thing. you could have two lanes for drivers on some roads in london if it weren't for these cycle lanes. take embankment. absolutely terrible. >> but isn't the point about these cycle lanes. and perhaps we can turn this to dave. the point about these cycle lanes, surely, is that if someone

doesn't need to take a journey by car, can a lot more by car, you can fit a lot more bikes in a same space of tarmac than you car than you can fit cars. cdl’s. >> cars. >> well, the proof's in the pudding. >> you can get from a to b and get across london quicker than you can in a car. >> so the benefits and the future is cycling. >> dave. >> dave. >> it's been fantastic to talk to you. to you. sorry to cut you off cycling enthusiast dave sherry coming up, we'll be sherry there coming up, we'll be debating killer debating whether child killer should ever be allowed out of prison . a brighter outlook with prison. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of whether on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello, i'm alex burkill here with your latest gb news weather forecast. over the next few days , the best chance of staying dry will be across the far north. but for most there's a fair bit of rain we've already of rain around. we've already seen quite a bit of so far seen quite a bit of rain so far today. that's in association with a weather that is with a weather system that is gradually way gradually making its way northeastwards and will continue to as go through the to do so as we go through the

end afternoon and into end of the afternoon and into the so pretty the evening. so staying pretty cloudy . further of cloudy. further outbreaks of rain much of england and rain across much of england and wales, that rain will feed wales, and that rain will feed into ireland overnight into northern ireland overnight as well. meanwhile, across scotland , apart from few scotland, apart from a few showers, be showers, it is going to be largely be largely dry and there will be some skies . as a result, some clear skies. as a result, we see temperatures we will see temperatures dropping so a relatively harsh frost here. meanwhile, elsewhere, of cloudy elsewhere, because of the cloudy wet weather, it's actually going to relatively mild to start to be relatively mild to start tomorrow as we go tomorrow morning as we go through day tomorrow, through the day tomorrow, though, cloudy grey though, a fairly cloudy grey picture again. further picture yet again. further outbreaks of and these outbreaks of rain and these could even could be heavy. perhaps even persistent for a towards persistent for a time towards the wet weather the south and more wet weather then feeding into of then feeding into parts of scotland we go through the scotland as we go through the day. some wet day. and some of this wet weather bring snow weather could bring some snow over ground , holding on weather could bring some snow ov some ground , holding on weather could bring some snow ov some chillier|nd , holding on weather could bring some snow ov some chillier air , holding on weather could bring some snow ov some chillier air acrossng on weather could bring some snow ov some chillier air across theyn to some chillier air across the far north. so temperatures a little below average little bit below average here. but many places are but elsewhere many places are relatively . day highs of relatively mild. day highs of around 14 or 15 celsius. more wet weather to come as we go through thursday could be pretty heavy and could lead to some localised in places, localised flooding in places, and might have some strong , and we might have some strong, blustery winds in association with well. there

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gb news. >> good afternoon britain. >> good afternoon britain. >> it is 1:00 on tuesday the 13th of february. late in chaos, the party suspends its by—election candidate in rochdale following an anti—semitism row. >> keir starmers u—turn follows further comments from azhar ali in which he attacks jewish journalists. it leaves labour without a formal candidate in this month's vote, and . the pm's this month's vote, and. the pm's election pitch. >> rishi sunak has defended his government's economic record dunng government's economic record during a live appearance on the

gb forum last gb news people's forum last night, did he enough to night, but did he do enough to persuade back in persuade voters to back him in the election ? we have or the next election? we have or punishment, double killer colin pitchfork, who raped and strangled two schoolgirls, is to get another bid for freedom. >> but should this child killer, orindeed >> but should this child killer, or indeed all child killers ever be given parole? or should we just throw away the key? theinboxis just throw away the key? the inbox is absolutely kicked off when it comes to cyclones. >> and may i just say that i think i on this occasion, am on the right side of the argument. i think. >> i think more people will probably agree with you, i probably agree with you, but i don't you're right. >> um, although he says >> um, although gordon, he says cyclist , should definitely have cyclist, should definitely have their lanes. oh, but he says their own lanes. oh, but he says when they start paying for them themselves, says spends themselves, he says he spends enough on and can't enough on road tax and can't even get pothole road even get a pothole free road without having to subsidise the

cyclists as well. i bet their lanes will be pothole free, he says. well, do you know what? >> this road isn't actually necessarily coming what >> this road isn't actually necpay|rily coming what >> this road isn't actually necpay at/ coming what >> this road isn't actually necpay at the �*ning what >> this road isn't actually necpay at the �*ning because at >> this road isn't actually necpay at the �*ning because many we pay at the pump because many cars don't actually pay tax. it's all put in a anyway at all. like many cars that are electric cars, for example , they don't cars, for example, they don't contribute towards upkeep of contribute towards the upkeep of those fuel duty is those roads because fuel duty is how we do that. but, um, look what victoria says. >> she says you need to come and have a look at the mess. self—proclaimed have a look at the mess. self—procla burnham created north andy burnham has created in bolton, with cycle lanes deliberately creating congestion in bolton, with cycle lanes deliimaking creating congestion in bolton, with cycle lanes deliimaking creédifficultgestion and making life difficult for pedestrians and motorists navigating them, hoping they don't trip or crash into them in the now, can assume the process. now, can i assume that perhaps you don't drive? tom >> well, you can. you can assume all you want. i did, but can i also this not all cycle also say this not all cycle lanes equal . also say this not all cycle lanes equal. some lanes are created equal. some cycle lanes are made perfectly. very, very well . and you have very, very well. and you have the smooth running of traffic . the smooth running of traffic. one side you have bicycles that don't get in the way of cyclists . everyone has their own lanes. you have a pavement, you have a cycle lane, and you have a driving lane. the problems come

from when all these things from when all of these things get mixed together, and then you have roads . that's have chaos on the roads. that's not should be. not how things should be. >> agree though? >> can we all agree, though? absolutely way. a 1.5 mile absolutely no way. a 1.5 mile cycle lane, however super it is, should cost £12 million of our taxpayer money. how much do you have to earn to pay that much in tax? this is ridiculous. anyway let's get your headlines . let's get your headlines. >> good afternoon . 1:02. these >> good afternoon. 1:02. these are your top stories from the gb newsroom. labour has withdrawn support for rochdale by—election candidate azhar ali over comments he made about israel . comments he made about israel. mr ali apologised after he was recorded at a meeting suggesting that israel had taken the october 7th hamas assault as a pretext to invade gaza . the pretext to invade gaza. the labour mp steve mccabe told gb news he would not vote for mr ali. >> i've been involved in by elections where allegations have been made about candidates, some

times you have to weigh up, uh, you know, how important it is. what else , uh, is influencing it what else, uh, is influencing it 7 what else, uh, is influencing it ? i think the issue i mean , i ? i think the issue i mean, i don't know, mr ali at all, but i think the issue is that initially people were prepared to give the mine the benefit of the doubt and accept his apology in . good faith. but i think when in. good faith. but i think when the father revelations came to light, that that was just the end of it . end of it. >> independent advisor to the government on antisemite ism, lord john mann told gb news labour's move was bold but necessary to throw a parliamentary seat in a general election year is quite extraordinary . extraordinary. >> to throw it at any time has never happened before and so i would say this is a bold decision. um, it's certainly the right decision. and labour needs to make sure that its systems don't allow people like to ali get selected in the future .

get selected in the future. >> wage growth has slowed in the uk, with new figures showing it at its lowest level. for more than a year. the office for national statistics found. job vacancies also fell back once again as britain's job market cooled on average , regular pay, cooled on average, regular pay, excluding bonuses , fell to 6.2% excluding bonuses, fell to 6.2% in the last three months of last yean in the last three months of last year, compared with the same penod year, compared with the same period a year before . it's the period a year before. it's the slowest growth since october 2022. however after taking price rises into account , 2022. however after taking price rises into account, pay went up by 1.9. employers and landlords who allow illegal immigrants to work for them or rent their properties will face much tougher penalties from today . tougher penalties from today. the civil penalty for such actions has risen to a maximum of £45,000 per worker for a first breach. landlords . now first breach. landlords. now also face increased penalties of £5,000 per lodger and £10,000 per occupier for a first breach. that's up from 80 and £1,000 respectively. ministers believe the crackdown will help reduce the crackdown will help reduce the incentive for illegal

migrants crossing into the uk . migrants crossing into the uk. the prime minister has defended his government's economic record dunng his government's economic record during a live appearance on gb news people's forum last night, rishi sunak told voters in county durham that the government's economic plan was starting to work. he answered an array of unvetted questions on the economy, on housing, on education, on tax, the nhs and even the covid 19 vaccine. the prime minister told the people's forum. all uk's economic indicators were heading in the right direction . right direction. >> a plan is working. you can see that on the economy, you can see that on the economy, you can see it in lower taxes. the alternative is going back to square one with the labour party. you can't tell you what he's do differently . he he's going to do differently. he doesn't and that doesn't have a plan and that means we won't get the change that our country deserves. that's the change that i want to deliver for all of you. >> the housing secretary is going to put pressure on london as for all local as he pushes for all local councils in capital to build councils in the capital to build more . michael gove wants more homes. michael gove wants all in england to build all councils in england to build homes on brownfield sites and under plans , it's part of

under new plans, it's part of a wider effort by the conservatives to boost housebuilding with younger voters in particular expressing concern about the difficulty of getting onto the property ladder under recently proposed reforms. it will become harder for the largest city councils to refuse construction on previously developed brownfield land if local housing targets are not met. housing minister leigh rowley admitted to us earlier. house building has indeed slowed, but the government needs to go further with our urban areas. >> some of where there is lots of brownfield sites are just not building enough . the mayor of building enough. the mayor of london, where i'm standing today , say he's not built enough houses in the past few years, so we absolutely need to build more homes, but we want them homes, but we want to build them in the right place. and where where where are where councils where mayors are not the thing. not doing the right thing. we need them to account. need to hold them to account. the for refusal on the bar for refusal on brownfield site to need to go higher. it's all part of our higher. and it's all part of our long plan for housing. long terme plan for housing. it's about showing that the government is serious about tackling challenges that we tackling the challenges that we are seeing .

are seeing. >> and king charles has returned to london after travelling from sandringham by helicopter. his majesty had been staying at his country residence following his first cancer treatment, but he's postponed all public facing dufies postponed all public facing duties but is continuing with behind the scenes work on his red boxes of state papers . the red boxes of state papers. the queen has been carrying out her royal engagements and week royal engagements and last week said her husband was doing extremely well the extremely well under the circumstances . for the latest circumstances. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or to gb news. on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. >> it's 1:08 varne com slash alerts. >> it's1:08 varne and this is good afternoon britain . now, the good afternoon britain. now, the lawyer who led a review into the labour party's culture, said that the handling of its row over the rochdale by—election has been shambolic. >> yes, martin ford kc claims that mps within the party feel there has been a disparity in

treatment of allegations of anti—semitism . following the row anti—semitism. following the row back of azhar ali, back in support of azhar ali, starmer's party withdrew backing for mr ali after reports from the daily mail suggested that he had blamed people in the media from certain jewish quarters for fuelling criticism for a pro—palestinian mp . well, we can pro—palestinian mp. well, we can now speak with lord walney , a now speak with lord walney, a life peer in the house of lords and former labour mp. thank you very much for joining and former labour mp. thank you very much forjoining us. lord walney . now, a lot people walney. now, a lot of people will be asking why was this man ever a candidate for the labour party ? party? >> yeah, i mean , clearly the >> yeah, i mean, clearly the whole of this selection process was a was a really big mistake. >> and they had an excellent candidate on offer in with in in paul war. >> um and azhar ali should not have should not have made the final cut . final cut. >> i mean that is needs to be a point for urgent reflection from

from the labour party . but but from the labour party. but but there is a clearly a significant wider problem here, given the fact that he he made these comments. >> it openly in a labour party meeting was not challenged and this this ran uncontested for um for a number for a number of weeks until it ended up in, in the mail on sunday that should never have happened. and it does show that unfortunately, these kind of anti—semitic conspiracy theories are can be really rife. not i don't i don't think not only in the labour party, but um, but more widely in communities , parties and, and communities, parties and, and the, the labour and, and um, and all of us need to look at that and try to get a grip of it. >> so keir starmer has been trying to say for last year, trying to say for the last year, perhaps that the perhaps two years, that the labour party has changed and this is going to make it a lot harder for sir keir starmer to

make that case. and ultimately we heard last night on gb news, the prime minister saying that ultimately it's a mirage to say that the labour party has changed. you scratch beneath the surface and you find examples like this . like this. >> well, i think keir is deeply committed to changing the labour party. and i have to say it's been a bit rich to see jeremy corbyn supporters around today complaining about anti—semitism and given the catastrophe that they presided over when he was leader. i mean, i don't think you would have seen , um, action you would have seen, um, action that strong from him, um, had this happened, that might be true. >> that might be true, john woodcock. >> yes, but i mean this but this does show that there is a significantly is significantly there is significantly there is significantly further to go . so significantly further to go. so for keir, there are real problems remain . and he has to problems remain. and he has to now redouble his efforts. >> but the biggest points here, of course, is that he had three days in which he could have

proven his commitment to this so—called zero tolerance policy . so—called zero tolerance policy. it wasn't, in the end, the conspiracy theory that israel allowed the october 7th attacks to happen , that that got this to happen, that that got this candidate to not have the labour party's backing. it was another conspiracy theory about jews in the media. that was the final straw. ultimately, does this not show that the labour party put political expediency above its zero tolerance policy . for three zero tolerance policy. for three days? >> they made the wrong call. not by by not doing it immediately, but i can i can understand that when you're in the heat of a by—election and your candidate is already on the ballot paper and the alternative candidates candidate in that election is someone that you absolutely do not want to see. return to parliament. i can understand why, in the heat of that moment, you don't make the right call. but i think this is a lesson for

that team to make sure that they are always thinking about the country and not about, um, uh , country and not about, um, uh, internal political management or day to day short terms, political management. they have to they have to keep true to what their values and their and their long terme mission to change the country is and i think if they can reset along those grounds, then we can start making they can start making significantly faster progress and john, what do you make of the comments by the kc that there's been a in consistency in how the leadership of the labour party have dealt with anti—semitism . anti—semitism. >> there have been accusations from the left of the party that people who were on the far left , people who were on the far left, jeremy corbyn types were removed for far less . for far less. >> i mean, i do just think that that people who were there from the who tolerate anti—semitism and often actually some fuelled it in the jeremy corbyn years,

um, need to keep their counsel at this moment. the, um, need to keep their counsel at this moment . the, the period at this moment. the, the period through which keir is and his team are trying to write the labour party from, i mean and there are real imperfections in that and perhaps, yes, there can be inconsistent sources, but they are determined. and to move away from what was the most shameful period in the labour party's history. so if there's going a conversation about going to be a conversation about inconsistency , those people who inconsistency, those people who who presided over that era, i think you need to keep quiet about it. >> some people might see that as a bit of a deflection. isn't it possible that both the current leadership of the labour party and the previous leadership of the labour party have been wrong on it's not an either or. on this? it's not an either or. it's not that. if one's wrong, one's right, one's right, it's not that. if one's wrong, one's wrong. one's right, it's not that. if one's wrong, one's wrong. can's right, it's not that. if one's wrong, one's wrong. can be ight, it's not that. if one's wrong, one's wrong. can be wrong . one's wrong. both can be wrong. >> um, yeah, i, i do understand that. but again , i mean, i think that. but again, i mean, i think they took they took longer than they took they took longer than they should have done to come to the, to the right decision to,

um , remove support for the um, remove support for the candidate. but i mean, let's be under let's be under no illusions . under let's be under no illusions. it is a massive deal. what that they've done to have a labour candidate on a on, on the ballot before the polls close , ballot before the polls close, facing the opposition that they are to then formally pull support . it is are to then formally pull support. it is a are to then formally pull support . it is a very, very support. it is a very, very major call . it support. it is a very, very major call. it is not quite support. it is a very, very major call . it is not quite the major call. it is not quite the same as making this, uh, as making the call about a sitting mp in in relatively , relatively mp in in relatively, relatively easier times . so i think the easier times. so i think the comparison is not like for like i'm not saying i'm not trying to claim that there is there is zero inconsistent. i just think it is it's really important that we don't then think that, that this is much of a muchness with what happened under jeremy corbyn, which was literally , um, corbyn, which was literally, um, almost destroyed the labour party. now people who ended up, um, you know, probably um, uh, and really pleased stayed, uh, to be able to be there to write

the labour party when some of us left. but it was it felt in the balance for a while and let us not let's not forget how much progress has been made. but this incident shows that there is a significantly more amount within the labour party and actually in communities across britain. i think one of the main concerns, as you said before, is that this wasn't escalated sooner, that the in the room didn't the people in the room didn't think, hang on, this is anti—semitic, and we're going to escalate this, but well, no doubt it won't be the last we hear of it. >> but, uh, lord walney, perhaps better woodcock better known as john woodcock, thank joining us thank you so much forjoining us here afternoon britain. here on good afternoon britain. >> course, azhar >> yes. and of course, azhar ali has for his has since apologised for his comments. are the comments. and here are the candidates standing in the rochdale let rochdale by—election. i'll let you this one, tom. you do this one, tom. >> ali of course, still >> yes. as ali of course, still on ballot the labour >> yes. as ali of course, still on candidate, the labour >> yes. as ali of course, still on candidate, althouthr >> yes. as ali of course, still on candidate, although not party candidate, although not now endorsed by labour. confusingly, coleman, confusingly, mark coleman, independent danczuk reform independent simon danczuk reform uk ian donaldson, liberal democrat ellison, democrat paul ellison, conservative george galloway, workers party of britain michael howarth, independent william howarth, independent william

howarth, independent. guy otten, green raven rodent green party. raven rodent sebby's official monster sebby's corner, official monster raving david tully, independent. >> well, there you go. ah well, now, last night, rishi sunak did, of course face questions from our viewers at our people's forum in county durham, where he answered questions wide answered questions on a wide range of topics including immigration, the nhs and a little bit of tax cuts to yes, the prime minister also urged disgruntled conservative voters not to back reform uk, saying it would only boost sir keir's chances of getting the keys to number 10, and insisted his economic plan was beginning to work . yes, this is despite fears work. yes, this is despite fears the uk economy could slip into recession when official figures are released later this week. >> how did the prime minister >> so how did the prime minister reform? let's speak perform reform? let's speak to perform rather not reform. goodness me. >> doesn't that word . >> doesn't want that word. >> doesn't want that word. >> absolutely speak >> absolutely not. let's speak to critical >> absolutely not. let's speak to his critical >> absolutely not. let's speak to his performance critical >> absolutely not. let's speak to his performance . critical >> absolutely not. let's speak to his performance . peter'itical of his performance. peter whittle, director of the new culture forum , joins us now. culture forum, joins us now. peter hi, tom. you weren't a big fan of what the prime minister had to say . had to say. >> well, i think it was >> um, well, i think it was deeply inadequate and

superficial . i deeply inadequate and superficial. i mean, you deeply inadequate and superficial . i mean, you know, superficial. i mean, you know, it's a fact that this country i believe, is fighting for its survival in all sorts of ways. and the way that he came across was essentially rather like a school head prefect. and what we really need is a very strong leader who basically has the guts enough to say and be honest and say, this country is in a very, very bad way. but i'm not going to let it. i'm not going to let it fail. i'm basically going to save it. um, we don't get that. we get constant justifications in this very technocratic way , um, of what he technocratic way, um, of what he has done , whatever that might has done, whatever that might be. i mean, you mentioned immigration there as one of the topics. in fact, it's extraordinary that when we have 750,000 legal migrants coming to this country every year at the moment, that this wasn't even touched on, this wasn't even touched on, this wasn't even touched on, this wasn't even touched on, he was allowed instead just to talk about the boats and indeed claim credit,

uh, for you know, basically for something which isn't even really his, which that really his, which is that they've fallen by third. the they've fallen by a third. the crossings more to do with crossings far more to do with the weather that we have 750,000 legal migrants. there is no plan . in place at all. it seems to me there's no will to change that. >> peter, what could he. what could he have said to show that he understand these people like yours concerns about the issue of immigration. you appear fearful about the future. what could he have said ? could he have said? >> well, i mean, the fact is, emily, that , you know, this is emily, that, you know, this is the most important issue now . the most important issue now. now, for most people in this country and in a recent poll, something like 51% of people wanted a total halt to migration . uh, the effect it's having culturally and economically and indeed more and more politically is immense. so you have a prime minister here not even addressing that. similarly, what

you have is over the past, what, two months, we have seen an our streets very alarmed sing hate marches . it's made a lot of marches. it's made a lot of people sit up and take notice . people sit up and take notice. uh, nothing about this. none thing about the growth of threat of islamic fundamentalism. for example . nothing about this. example. nothing about this. nothing at all, for example, about the attacks which are growing on free speech and indeed, what's going to happen under under labour. uh is that in fact, that will get tighter and tighter in the points you make. >> such a powerful point about what we've seen on our streets , what we've seen on our streets, about the culture in this country , about people who don't country, about people who don't perhaps subscribe to british values. but if we look at those who came in the last two years, we're looking at over 100,000 hong kongers who fled communism. we're looking at over 100,000 ukrainians who've fled . ukrainians who've fled. demagoguery. we're looking at people who share our values. if we look at the people who are

going on what you describe as hate they didn't arrive hate marches, they didn't arrive in the last years. these are in the last two years. these are people perhaps come in people who have perhaps come in decades past. >> no, look, fact is that >> no, look, the fact is that what opened a lot of people's eyes about those marches is the fact that we're seeing the end result of mass migration over , result of mass migration over, for example, 13 years of tory rule . i don't think that, you rule. i don't think that, you know, even if we've taken people from ukraine and these countries , i don't think deniable in , i don't think it's deniable in any way, tom, that in fact , any way, tom, that in fact, there has been a virtual borderless country now for this great of time. we are now great amount of time. we are now reaping all the, uh, rewards of that. reaping all the, uh, rewards of that . uh, reaping all the, uh, rewards of that. uh, there's reaping all the, uh, rewards of that . uh, there's nothing from that. uh, there's nothing from this prime minister at all on that. as i said, nothing about the growing threat to free speech. yeah, you're right. >> there was an extraordinary . >> there was an extraordinary. there wasn't anything about those cultural issues, but that's all we've got time for. sorry, peter. great to speak to you. peter whittle, director of the new culture forum, rather sceptical rishi sunak, to sceptical about rishi sunak, to say the least . do you know what? say the least. do you know what? i'll say it again. think rishi

i'll say it again. i think rishi sunak should stood up when sunak should have stood up when mike hounded out of mike freer mp was hounded out of office for death threats from islamist extremists. he should have said we will islamist extremists. he should hav accept said we will islamist extremists. he should hav accept intimidation will not accept this intimidation from who do not believe from people who do not believe in our values. >> yeah. and i think actually rishi , as the first prime rishi sunak, as the first prime minister from, uh, well, the second prime minister from an ethnic background , but ethnic minority background, but the recent years the first of any recent years from, from that perhaps has a unique position where he can say there are these things called british values . there are these british values. there are these things that we should all sign up no matter the colour of up to. no matter the colour of your skin. he perhaps your skin. he is perhaps in a unique he unique position where he can make a speech and make make a speech like that and make it very powerfully well. >> criticism >> returning to the criticism facing starmer facing keir starmer over the rochdale by—election candidate, here speaking a little here is his speaking a little earlier today. >> and came to light over the weekend in relation to the candidate , there was a fulsome candidate, there was a fulsome apology . further information apology. further information came to light yesterday calling for decisive action. so i took decisive action. it is a huge thing to withdraw support for a

labour candidate during the course of a by—election it's a tough decision and necessary decision. but when i say we, the labour party, has changed under my leadership, i mean it. if it has changed, will you then be investigating the other councillors also joined in with that discussion that will recorded when mr ali made those comments in october. well, those comments in october. well, those comments were appalling and that is why we took decisive action. it is virtually unprecedented to withdraw support for a candidate in the way that i withdrew support for this candidate yesterday . that's what a changed yesterday. that's what a changed labour party is all about. and of course , any allegation will of course, any allegation will be fully investigated by the party. but the important thing is the decisive action that's been taken to make it absolutely clear that this is a changed labour party. >> you didn't actually answer that question there. there were other councillors who were labour that labour councillors in that room joining that joining in with that conversation. be

conversation. were they to be investigated, any allegation that needs to be investigated will investigated . and martin will be investigated. and martin ford has said that there's a perception that anti—semitism is being weaponised along factional lines. do you accept that you have cases of have handled previous cases of anti—semitic allegations in your party differently to the way in which you addressed this case? >> and aren't you guilty of double standards ? double standards? >> i set out four years ago to tear anti—semitism out of the labour party. it's the first thing i said i'd do as labour leader and to change our party. ihave leader and to change our party. i have taken a series of decisions along those lines as ruthlessly changing our party, andifs ruthlessly changing our party, and it's made no difference to me where somebody stands in the labour party, the change i brought about is a labour party thatis brought about is a labour party that is now back in the service of working people, who should labour supporters vote for in rochdale then the voters in rochdale then the voters in rochdale will have to determine who they vote for. but i'm not prepared to put forward a labour candidate unless i think that

candidate unless i think that candidate is fit to be a labour mp . okay mp. okay >> now we're basically saying labour supporters in rochdale sit on your hands , don't go out sit on your hands, don't go out and vote. >> well, essentially, yeah. he's insisting that the party has changed that it's taking a strong stance when it comes to anti—semitism . uh, but it's lots anti—semitism. uh, but it's lots of people are going to be worrying about the state of the labour party . labour party. >> to be honest, i felt like i was just being there. was just being gaslit there. brazenly to. he was saying brazenly lied to. he was saying he took decisive action. he waited three, three days. yeah, he was told about this story by the mail on sunday. on saturday, because they will have gone to print on saturday night. he was told saturday. he told about it on saturday. he sent his ministers out the sent his ministers out to the sunday shows to sit through the grilling they took to take grilling that they took to take all sort of accusation all of that sort of accusation of hypocrisy in my view, an accurate accusation of hypocrisy there, given how he treated some of his own mps. there, given how he treated some of his own mps . and then for the of his own mps. and then for the whole sunday and the whole of whole of sunday and the whole of monday, he sent his ministers to defend position before only

monday, he sent his ministers to defera position before only monday, he sent his ministers to defera furtherysition before only monday, he sent his ministers to defera further accusationre only monday, he sent his ministers to defera further accusation of)nly then a further accusation of anti—semitism. this is the thing. >> am i right in thinking it was only because the party knew that these further revelations were coming out, which made it absolutely beyond doubt . it was absolutely beyond doubt. it was he was indulging in anti—semitic tropes. >> i would have thought that it was beyond doubt to start with, but what clear there is that but what was clear there is that the on sunday held some the mail on sunday held some information back, and any good newspaper does this. if you're going to initially draw a story. we saw this with partygate actually. first it was drip actually. first it was the drip feed. get people to deny the feed. you get people to deny the first then you release first thing and then you release the story. then the next story. and then the fear from the party involved or the individual involved is that there is a further story to come. this is journalism 101, and i am shocked if this man had the sense he'd pull out of the by—election altogether , surely by—election altogether, surely that would be the decent thing to do. but frankly, i'm shocked that people in the leader of the opposition's office, people in keir starmer's team don't know that how sunday papers that this is how sunday papers drop stories don't understand

that this is exactly what happened over partygate . don't happened over partygate. don't understand that this is what's happened over many of these different , um, uh, expose days different, um, uh, expose days in the past. you put forward a bit of the story, but you hold some back and see what the person doing does. >> how many people involved in the labour party heard these comments, knew this was what this candidate thought about things ? it's a huge question. things? it's a huge question. didn't stand up and say something. that's what i want to know because that's how you find out whether there is anti—semitism rampant anti—semitism still rampant in some the labour some corners of the labour party, just extraordinary in our politics general, decisive politics in general, decisive action, nothing decisive about it at all. >> it's wavering, wobbling, all over the place. well onto something completely different. i would throw away the key. that's what the mother of dawn ashworth says should happen to her killer, colin pitchfork. >> pitchfork is serving a life sentence for raping and killing her and another 15 year old lynda mann . the big question lynda mann. the big question we're asking can people be we're asking today can people be

rehabilitated and given a second chance, can they can people like this child killer ever be rehabilitated ? or should we rehabilitated? or should we essentially throw away the key ? essentially throw away the key? >> well, delighted to say that joining us now gb news joining us now is gb news presenter patrick christys and ex—offender turned social entrepreneur mark johnson . uh, entrepreneur mark johnson. uh, mark will start with you can people be rehabilitated , people be rehabilitated, particularly of the most heinous crimes ? crimes? >> mark, are you there? let's turn to patrick while we wait for mark's line to resurface . for mark's line to resurface. patrick, you take a hard line when it comes to this type of crime . um, a when it comes to this type of crime. um, a killer child when it comes to this type of crime . um, a killer child killer crime. um, a killer child killer should remain in prison for life. yeah, that's my view. >> i mean, we have to have a look. not going to look. at what we're not going to do we're not do to them, okay? we're not going go live going to make them go and live on island with other vile on an island with other vile monsters themselves. monsters like themselves. we're not them. not going to execute them. unfortunately my we're unfortunately in my view. we're not chuck them down not going to chuck them down a pit and toss them a roll pit and toss them a bread roll and a bit of water once or twice and a bit of water once or twice a while their victims

a week while their victims scream, blur out at them on the loo. least do is loo. so the least we can do is keep prison and keep these people in prison and there mountain of evidence there is a mountain of evidence to that people to suggest that these people cannot look at cannot be rehabilitated. look at one of bulger killers, for example. >> look, of what >> look, of course, what actually with colin actually happened with colin pitchfork, where he was released, was released, and then he was recalled immediately for recalled almost immediately for approaching in a approaching young people in a park. we can also have a look at usman khan. so he was not a child killer, but he was a terrorist. went on terrorist. he went on to actually couple of actually kill a couple of his case , for goodness case workers, for goodness sake, in hall attack , in the fishmongers hall attack, there things i there are certain things that i don't lead to don't think can actually lead to rehabilitation. radical jihadi terrorism, sex offences against children. and in this case as well, of course, murder . and i well, of course, murder. and i just wonder why on earth would we want to take the risk? and i would ask adds, if we do manage to well, would he be to get him as well, would he be comfortable colin pitchfork comfortable with colin pitchfork moving and if moving in next to him? and if he's got daughters, etc? if the answer to that no, then why answer to that is no, then why would happy anybody would he be happy for anybody else chance? else to take the chance? >> , let's turn now to ads. >> well, let's turn now to ads. khan and ads. what do you make of that ? ah, i'm afraid we're

of that? ah, i'm afraid we're struggling to get the line established there. but, patrick, you raise a pretty forthright point there, as i suppose gb news viewers would come to expect from you. what do you say to people who would say the whole prison is to whole point of prison is to rehabilitate people ? can you rehabilitate people? can you possibly give up on people who might have taken a wrong turn in life? can't people turn their lives around? >> raping and killing two children is wrong turn in children is not a wrong turn in life. don't really come back life. you don't really come back from and from that in my view, tom. and people as well, oh well, it people say as well, oh well, it costs a load of to keep people say as well, oh well, it costs inside. of to keep people say as well, oh well, it costs inside. of it to keep people say as well, oh well, it costs inside. of it costszeep them inside. well, it costs a load money to look after them load of money to look after them on outside because on the outside as well, because they'll never work again. you have over have to monitor them 24 over seven. give them seven. you have to give them a new identity, has happened new identity, as has happened with the bulger killers, for example earth should the example. why on earth should the taxpayers pay for taxpayers be made to pay for that? why we this that? and why are we in this country on putting country so keen on putting criminals first before country so keen on putting crinvictims first before country so keen on putting crinvictims rise first before country so keen on putting crinvictims rise ? rst before country so keen on putting crinvictims rise ? i;t before country so keen on putting crinvictims rise ? i had fore country so keen on putting crinvictims rise ? i had are country so keen on putting crinvictims rise ? i had a very, the victims rise? i had a very, very interesting conversation with webber, the with emma webber, who is the mother barnaby who mother of barnaby webber, who was that was sadly killed by that nottingham killer, valdo nottingham rampage killer, valdo calocane . and she said that at calocane. and she said that at every turn , the rights of calocane. and she said that at eve actual turn , the rights of calocane. and she said that at eve actual killer| , the rights of calocane. and she said that at eve actual killer there rights of calocane. and she said that at eve actual killer there haves of the actual killer there have been ahead family's been put ahead of the family's rights victim's rights. rights and the victim's rights. so particular situation ,

so in this particular situation, surely have look at the surely we have to look at the remaining who surely we have to look at the rema actually who surely we have to look at the rema actually been who surely we have to look at the rema actually been killed who have actually been killed and say , do want to do? do say, what do they want to do? do they to see this guy they really want to see this guy of kind of normality we of any kind of normality so we can to a at can kick back, go to a pub at the watch the the weekend and watch the football mates are football with whatever mates are deluded with deluded enough to hang out with him. absolutely like him. no absolutely not. like i've going to i've said, if we're not going to execute least we execute them, then the least we can them in solitary can do is keep them in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives. >> wm w— >> well, there we go. strong stuff. khan, um, stuff. patrick sadiq khan, um, adds, , are we adds, in your view, are we focusing not enough on the rehabilitate ation element of going to prison? can people reform . reform. >> people can reform, but like just like patrick said, when it comes to something as serious as, um , i think everybody can as, um, i think everybody can make mistakes and does make mistakes in life. uh, but is it a mistake killing two innocent 15 year old girls and raping them, you know, is that does that come to down evilness, or does that come down to some mental condition that we don't have solution for ? so based have the solution for? so based on that, i do 100% believe in reform and rehabilitation . but i reform and rehabilitation. but i think there's levels of it. and

obviously i don't think everybody can be reformed and rehabilitated , especially given rehabilitated, especially given the circumstances of that case in particular. >> that's an interesting point of view. do you think that prison as an institution , prison as an institution, therefore, is primarily about rehabilitation or primarily about punishment ? to be honest about punishment? to be honest with you, i think it's it has to be a little bit of both. >> but a rehabilitation , it has >> but a rehabilitation, it has to be about punishment and it also has to be about reform and rehabilitate . um, and that's rehabilitate. um, and that's something that obviously i actually into prisons . i've actually go into prisons. i've got, to prisons and got, um, going to prisons and speak about, uh, how you can rehabilitate yourself and how you can change yourself and how you can change yourself and how you setbacks and you deal with setbacks and how you deal with setbacks and how you . uh, and you make comebacks. uh, and obviously, you know, being more sort mindset sort of positive mindset focussed . um, so that's why i focussed. um, so that's why i actually in prisons and i do, actually do in prisons and i do, uh, in reform and, uh, uh, believe in reform and, uh, rehabilitation . but something rehabilitation. but something struck me, and that is that 57% of the adult prison population have literacy level , uh, have literacy level, uh, literacy levels. uh, below that

of an 11 year old. and that statistic becomes more than just a number when you're holding letters from people that are actually expressing their gratitude and hope. after i've delivered of my, uh, delivered some of my, uh, presentations, you see. so i think if we focus on it's like a houses and foundations week and you got to build on it, it's going fall down. if we going to fall down. so if we focus zero and focus on the ground zero and build educational build up these educational tools, that with tools, and i'm hoping that with the dedication and help that , the dedication and help that, uh, we can actually move forward in that's a lot better. >> patrick, last word to you. >> patrick, last word to you. >> yeah. i mean, there is >> uh, yeah. i mean, there is one way around all of this, of course. and that would be to reintroduce death penalty reintroduce the death penalty to people and reintroduce the death penalty to pwould and reintroduce the death penalty to pwould be and reintroduce the death penalty to pwould be that and reintroduce the death penalty to pwould be that when i would not be against that when it these it comes to some of these people. i will just come back. those girls approached those girls who were approached or who were or young women who were approached by colin pitchfork, allegedly in a park upon his release, they have a right to not be approached by a double rapist and murderer as they go about their lives. we all have a right to not be troubled by these violent individuals. why on earth are we living in a country where these people can have of normality?

have any semblance of normality? gary glitter of course. another one, obviously child one, obviously not a child killer, we're aware, killer, as far as we're aware, was prison almost was recalled to prison almost immediately was recalled to prison almost im he diately was recalled to prison almost im he gotely was recalled to prison almost im he got out, he was looking at as he got out, he was looking at things the web things on the dark web for goodness is lot of goodness sake. there is a lot of evidence certain evidence that certain people cannot rehabilitated, cannot be rehabilitated, and we are them. are wasting our time with them. >> yeah, think patrick, you >> yeah, i think patrick, you raised important raised some very important points, there's this points, but perhaps there's this delineation between delineation we can make between the violent offenders that you've about and you've spoken about and non—violent offenders . perhaps non—violent offenders. perhaps that's where we can reach some middle ground here. but thank you much, patrick christie's you so much, patrick christie's and sadiq social and sadiq khan social entrepreneur , for us entrepreneur, uh, forjoining us here spicy debate. here for this spicy debate. >> . well, i think >> fantastic wolf. well, i think we can all agree charleton killers. absolutely not. stay in there. throw away the key. well, do you what we haven't even do you know what we haven't even the killers of brianna ghey. >> of prison in >> i will be out of prison in their 30s. those sadistic individuals will be out of prison in their 30s. potential me? it's extraordinary. the legal system , the judicial legal system, the judicial system needs to serve the public more system needs to serve the public mo perhaps still to the >> perhaps still to come. the prime has attacked prime minister has attacked labour's plans to introduce vat tax schools . we'll tax for private schools. we'll be discussing that with our panel . uh, be coming be discussing that with our

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radio . radio. >> good afternoon britain. it's back to rochdale now where controversy is in abounds. let's get the very latest with the former labour minister, bill rammell, and the former , uh, rammell, and the former, uh, sunday express editor , now a sunday express editor, now a senior partner at pagefield , senior partner at pagefield, martin townsend. uh bill, we'll start with you . you spent years start with you. you spent years as a labour mp. indeed years as as a labour mp. indeed years as a labour minister. two keir starmer was messed this one up. >> well, we've reached the right decision, but it took too long to get there. >> but there is context . >> but there is context. >> but there is context. >> uh, ali, the comments he made initially that were reported completely wrong, but he immediately fell on his sword upon and interestingly, was backed by people like louise ellman , uh, a very respected ellman, uh, a very respected former jewish labour mp who said in her experience he was a strong supporter of her and

other jewish colleagues. >> the criticism that people on the left of the labour party have , that this person from have, that this person came from the faction of the party as the same faction of the party as people louise , and they all people like louise, and they all knew each other. they'd known each for years, so they each other for years, so they crowded . whereas are crowded round. whereas there are other party crowded round. whereas there are othe weren't party crowded round. whereas there are othe weren't of party crowded round. whereas there are othe weren't of factiony who weren't part of that faction who've said far less and have been suspended and have the whip withdrawn . withdrawn. >> i don't think it's about factions, uh, he and factions, you know, uh, he and louise were not in same louise were not in the same faction. she was making the point someone was point that as someone who was under under the cosh, under corbyn, the anti—semite , that corbyn, by the anti—semite, that he had supported her, the other factor within this are two words, and it's george galloway, george galloway is a repugnant, obnoxious individual who specialises in mobilising hate amongst muslim communities and rightly or wrongly, we didn't want to give him a free run. however, when the comments came out, he'd out, making clear that he'd referred to jewish interests in the media. ali, i'm talking about that is an anti—semitic trope that's been used for over 100 years. completely unacceptable . and keir acted

unacceptable. and keir acted decisively . and for people who decisively. and for people who say this isn't decisive , i'm 64. say this isn't decisive, i'm 64. i first started campaigning at the age of 1819. i cannot recall a political party disowning a by—election candidate in the midst of the by—election. that's what we've done, and it's the right decision, martin. >> i guess one could ask why did it take further revelations to come were the initial come out? were the initial comments october the 7th comments about october the 7th in involvement ? in israel's involvement? basically, essentially, were they not enough? >> well, this is the problem. >> well, this is the problem. >> and i think this this raises questions about keir starmer's gut instinct, which i think is really important in politics, is to have a gut instinct when something's wrong or something's right. obviously right. it was obviously wrong, right. it was obviously wrong, right from the get go. right from the from the get go. and good for and it's not good enough for keir starmer to say this morning that because keir starmer to say this morning thédidn't because keir starmer to say this morning thédidn't he because keir starmer to say this morning thédidn't he didn't because keir starmer to say this morning thédidn't he didn't act because he didn't he didn't act decisively. he'd act decisively . decisively. he'd act decisively. he would have suspended him straight . you know, that's straight away. you know, that's that's should work . the that's how it should work. the comments he made absolutely comments he made were absolutely disgraceful. and the disgraceful. and all the arguments about george galloway, with all due to bill,

with all due respect to bill, completely as far as with all due respect to bill, comconcerned as far as with all due respect to bill, comconcerned . as far as with all due respect to bill, comconcerned . this as far as with all due respect to bill, comconcerned . this is s far as with all due respect to bill, comconcerned . this is this as with all due respect to bill, comconcerned . this is this was i'm concerned. this is this was the wrong guy and he shouldn't have actually put there have been actually put in there in the first place, that they should done homework. should have done their homework. i really raise big >> it does really raise some big questions the whole pitch >> it does really raise some big quthisyns the whole pitch >> it does really raise some big quthis year's the whole pitch >> it does really raise some big quthis year's election.1ole pitch >> it does really raise some big quthis year's election. soz pitch >> it does really raise some big quthis year's election. so keir:h of this year's election. so keir starmer is saying that the labour party has changed. and what rishi sunak said last night on this channel was scratched beneath the surface and has it really? >> no, i don't think it has changed. i think there's, i think there's still a very toxic seam of anti—semitism in, in the labour party . and we've seen it labour party. and we've seen it this week with these comments. and, you know, you scratch it a bit and there it is again. and, you know, you scratch it a bit and there it is again . so bit and there it is again. so yeah, i don't i agree with rishi sunak on that. i think keir starmer would love to change it. i just don't think a he's a strong enough to do so. strong enough leader to do so. as proved this week and as he's proved this week and b it a lot deeper than he he it runs a lot deeper than he he thinks . thinks. >> i think i really don't genuinely think that that is fair. um you know, keir has rooted out anti—semitism within the party . you know, he's the labour party. you know, he's removed from the scene. removed corbyn from the scene. he responded, he's removed it

when it's been politically convenient for him to remove it. >> people who opposed his leadership, was very to leadership, he was very happy to say, anti—semite, say, you're an anti—semite, get out. supported say, you're an anti—semite, get out leadership, supported say, you're an anti—semite, get out leadership, he's supported say, you're an anti—semite, get out leadership, he's suddenlyed his leadership, he's suddenly going, apologised . going, oh no, he's apologised. it's fine. >> no, no, no, that's not what he's it he's done. and if you think it was jeremy corbyn was easy removing jeremy corbyn as mp , that's a million as a labour mp, that's a million miles from the truth . i don't miles from the truth. i don't think. however, this is about gut instinct, martin. am gut instinct, martin. if i am balanced and fair, the criticism i would make is that keir too often spends too long reaching a decision and i think this is an example of that. and whilst you can do that in opposition , you can do that in opposition, you most certainly do it in most certainly can't do it in government . i the government. and i hope the lesson he's is that lesson that he's learnt is that you need to make the decisions quicker, right? decision, decisive decision, but should quicker, right? decision, decis happened n, but should quicker, right? decision, decis happened soon. should have happened soon. >> gut instinct >> that is about gut instinct ultimately, ? it is ultimately, isn't it? it is about i mean , if about gut instinct. i mean, if he gets into power, it's not. >> it looks like the way you make decisions. >> know, you know, >> yeah, but you know, you know, instinctively something's >> yeah, but you know, you know, instirorvely something's >> yeah, but you know, you know, instiror wrong. something's >> yeah, but you know, you know, instiror wrong. you;omething's >> yeah, but you know, you know, instiror wrong. you;om know1's >> yeah, but you know, you know, instiror wrong. you ;om know that right or wrong. you do know that straight away. >> not like was arming >> it's not like he was arming and sunday. monday . and arming on sunday. on monday. and he's and he said, look, he's apologised. that's the end of

the moving it the matter. we're moving on it wasn't do what i'm wasn't do you know what i'm still this . it still thinking about this. it was apologised . was look, he's apologised. that's the end of the matter. and new information comes and then new information comes and make and then he has to make a further. u—turn, not further. it's a u—turn, not a long, laborious decision making. >> i think he was. ali was being given benefit the doubt, >> i think he was. ali was being given the benefit the doubt, >> i think he was. ali was being given the context the doubt, >> i think he was. ali was being given the context at the doubt, >> i think he was. ali was being given the context at thatioubt, >> i think he was. ali was being given the context at that stage. but what you need do in but what you need to do in politics is see think around politics is see and think around corners. and that didn't happen in these circumstances. we should have anticipated that the mail had more up its sleeve and more was to come out. >> but how worried should the labour party general? how labour party be in general? how worried starmer be labour party be in general? how worriethe starmer be labour party be in general? how worriethe impact starmer be labour party be in general? how worriethe impact the tarmer be labour party be in general? how worriethe impact the issuer be labour party be in general? how worriethe impact the issue ofe about the impact the issue of israel is having israel gaza is having potentially on their in potentially on their vote in multiple ? multiple constituencies? >> ounces well , it's a huge >> ounces well, it's a huge concern. of course it must be a huge concern, but just to pick up on that point, um, you know, i think ultimately ultimately with this , as with antisemitism with this, as with antisemitism generally, and we have a big problem with antisemitism in this country at the moment. and it's really, really dangerous . i it's really, really dangerous. i don't think that we can afford to have someone that that takes

this long to make a decision about something that's basic. about something that's so basic. those that were made those comments that were made initially awful , and he initially were awful, and he should have. starmer should have just said, that's it. he's suspended straight away. and actually have ended this actually he'd have ended this week decisive. exactly actually he'd have ended this week you decisive. exactly actually he'd have ended this week you just decisive. exactly actually he'd have ended this week you just said,ive. exactly actually he'd have ended this weekyou just said, bill. xactly what you just said, bill. actually looking decisive because the decisive leader for me is a competent leader. i think indecision is part of incompetence. really do . incompetence. i really do. >> it'sjust incompetence. i really do. >> it's just baffling to most people, bill, because let's say this a by—election, right at this was a by—election, right at the a parliament. the beginning of a parliament. you point you might have a point that it would odd to do, would be a very odd thing to do, to sort of say, you know what? there's to be election to sort of say, you know what? thae's to be election to sort of say, you know what? tha matter to be election to sort of say, you know what? tha matter of to be election to sort of say, you know what? tha matter of months. election in a matter of months. the person elected person who's elected will only be a member of parliament for a very period of time. the very short period of time. the labour party is in opposition. it's going get into it's not going to get into government off the back of this by—election. doesn't need by—election. it doesn't need this seat . this seat. >> no, but look, you know, you can make the criticism that the decision should have been made quicker. but the idea that this is not decisive action is not borne out by the facts. there's never been a case in the last 50 years where a major political

party, labour conservative, party, labour or conservative, has disowned by—election has disowned a by—election candidate in the midst of that campaign. that's what keir did, because he's rightly concerned to demonstrate that we have rooted out anti—semitism . and, rooted out anti—semitism. and, you know, it's a fringe interest in the labour party , and we will in the labour party, and we will keep on until it's complete. well there you go. >> bill ramos says he acted decisively. martin, not so sure in decisively. but coming up, sunak attack starmer over a plan to vat tax for private to introduce vat tax for private schools. we'll show you what he said. see you

listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. >> well, last night at the gb news people's forum, rishi sunak said that keir starmer's private school gym at him were un—british. let's take a listen . un—british. let's take a listen. >> attacked by keir starmer because of where i went to school and i said to him once, actually, i said, you're not really attacking me, you're attacking and you're attacking my parents. and you're

attacking my parents. and you're attacking them . attacking everybody like them. that works hard to aspire for a better life for them and their family. i think that's wrong. i don't think it's british and that's type country don't think it's british and that'i'm type country don't think it's british and that'i'm “to e country don't think it's british and that'i'm “to build ountry don't think it's british and that'i'm “to build .untry that i'm going to build. >> wrong. un—british and not the kind of country that he wants to build. well, let's dissect that. we're joined by the former labour minister, bill rammell and former editor and indeed by the former editor of the sunday express and senior partner pagefield, martin partner at pagefield, martin townsend . uh, martin is it townsend. uh, martin is it un—british to attack where someone went to school ? someone went to school? >> i'm not sure. it means by un—british. i'll be honest with you. um, i think it's very unfair. and i don't agree with it at all. i don't honestly care where anybody goes and is educated. i think, you know, the important is you had an important thing is you had an education. um, people have great state education. they have great private education. i don't particularly like this piece of being attacked because they went to private school or attacked because to or because they went to eton or wherever be. i just because they went to eton or whe don't be. i just because they went to eton or whe don't agree be. i just because they went to eton or whe don't agree with. i just because they went to eton or whe don't agree with that. .t because they went to eton or whe don't agree with that. it's just don't agree with that. it's a british though, a very british thing, though, isn't someone isn't it, bill, to someone off for their schooling? >> , it is i well , there is an

>> no, it is i well, there is an element of that in british society, but this was a legitimate criticism of what keir was highlighting was the fact that we are committed to removing vat on school fees , a removing vat on school fees, a policy, by the way, supported by over putting vat on school fees . over putting vat on school fees. >> yes, sorry, putting vat on school . a policy, by the school fees. a policy, by the way, by over school fees. a policy, by the way,thirds by over school fees. a policy, by the way,thirds of by over school fees. a policy, by the way,thirds of british over two thirds of the british electorate . but, um, and it's, electorate. but, um, and it's, it's not, you know, you're not excluded from public office if you're privately educated. you know, tony blair, in my view, the best prime minister we've ever had was privately educated . ever had was privately educated. but it's part a pattern with but it's part of a pattern with rishi sunak privately educated, hugely colossally wealthy, £529 million. why previous born with £520 million or whatever it is, most of it's inherited. >> not his wife , from >> not not from his wife, from his wife, his his dad was a gp. he married. >> well, uh, married. well and, you his wife for a number you know, his wife for a number of years claimed non—dom status. all of that is part of a pattern about about where someone comes from and how in touch they are

with ordinary people . and i with ordinary people. and i think that's legitimate criticism. >> martin, do you think perhaps it's a little tone deaf to say that, uh , essentially suggest that, uh, essentially suggest that, uh, essentially suggest that people who don't do, as his parents did aren't necessarily aspirational for their children? >> did he suggest ? >> did he suggest? >> did he suggest? >> well, he said, you're attacking. he suggested, by attacking. he suggested, by attacking on my schooling. attacking me on my schooling. you're like attacking me on my schooling. you're that like attacking me on my schooling. you're that hard like attacking me on my schooling. you're that hard to like attacking me on my schooling. you're that hard to aspire them. that works hard to aspire for a better life for them and their family actually, their family. well, actually, he was schooling, not was attacking the schooling, not people for better people who aspire for a better life. i don't keir life. now i don't like keir starmer private starmer attacks on private schools but it be read schools, but what it can be read that way. >> you know what i find >> do you know what i find astonishing about this whole debate respect, debate is with all due respect, bill's argument that the labour party over the party have changed over the anti—semitism , you know, anti—semitism, you know, anti—semitism, you know, anti—semitism, business. that's not true. and it's not true that they've changed on this either. this kind this is class envy. this kind this is class envy. this is class envy. and that's what labour specialise in. they're always envious of people that have got on in life. and that's turnoff . people that's a real turnoff. people might however, whatever percentage is support this vat on private schools, that's that's going to drive ordinary

people that want to send their kids to private school from kids to private school away from private schools . it's going kids to private school away from priv pressureyls . it's going kids to private school away from priv pressure on. it's going kids to private school away from priv pressure on the. going kids to private school away from priv pressure on the state; kids to private school away from priv pressure on the state system put pressure on the state system . straightforward class . and it's straightforward class envy from labour, as it always is. >> it's not pragmatic envy of aspiration . aspiration. >> and we're going to go back to the nobody the old days of like, nobody wins sports and nobody, you wins at sports and nobody, you know, gonna cut you know, i'm gonna have to cut you off martin, off in your prime, martin, because end of because we come to the end of the martin and the hour, martin townsend and bill more bill rabin are coming up more on the tough penalties the tough new penalties introduced for employers introduced today for employers and do give jobs and landlords who do give jobs to rent to illegal immigrants or rent their properties them. their properties to them. >> anywhere . >> don't go anywhere. >> don't go anywhere. >> a brighter outlook with box solar, sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello, i'm alex burkill here with your latest gb news, weather forecast over the next few days. the best chance of staying dry will be across the far for there's far north, but for most there's a fair bit of around. we've a fair bit of rain around. we've already seen quite a bit rain already seen quite a bit of rain so today . that's already seen quite a bit of rain so today. that's in so far today. that's in association with a weather system that gradually making

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gb news way. >> good afternoon britain . it's >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:00 on tuesday the 13th of february. labour in chaos keir starmer has defended his decision to suspend labour's by—election candidate in rochdale following an anti—semitism row. >> the u—turn follows further comments from azhar ali in which he attacks jewish journalists. but critics say the labour leader have acted sooner . leader should have acted sooner. to illegal crackdown record high fines for those who employ or

rent properties to illegal migrants . migrants. >> will the new measures bring them down? the numbers who enter britain illegally sussex's britain illegally and sussex's under the cosh. >> prince harry and meghan markle have been accused of using their royal ties for commercial after they commercial gain after they relaunched their website using their sussex and royal their sussex title and the royal crest. having ditched crest. despite having ditched their royal duties . techie or their royal duties. techie or savvy? well, we had a bit of a ding dong earlier in the show about whether prison is for rehabilitation or whether it's for punishment. now this relates to colin pitchfork, the serial rapist and child killer. >> yeah. and when and when you put terms like that in front of a name, you just think, how can someone like that ever be released into society and i do think there is a serious question that we need to ask about whether people, whether some people are just broken in

the minds and, and should always be kept separate from society. now i'm of the view that, to be honest , what now i'm of the view that, to be honest, what is the role of prison? it doesn't necessarily even have to be about punishment . it just has to be about separating dangerous people away from society , away from the rest from society, away from the rest of us. >> i don't particularly want a child killer moving in next doon >> let him bounce around in a bouncy castle. it's bouncy castle. as long as it's in area and the door's in a secure area and the door's locked can't get out. no, locked and he can't get out. no, you can't have . you can't have. >> he can't have a bouncy castle. you talking castle. what are you talking about, tom? >> don't don't the >> i don't i don't care the condition kept. condition in which he's kept. i don't as he's not don't care as long as he's not out society. only thing, don't care as long as he's not out onlyciety. only thing, don't care as long as he's not out only focus only thing, don't care as long as he's not out only focus of only thing, don't care as long as he's not out only focus of prison,:hing, don't care as long as he's not out only focus of prison, in1g, don't care as long as he's not out only focus of prison, in my the only focus of prison, in my view, for people like that , is view, for people like that, is to separate an individual from the rest society. the rest of society. >> punishment, i mean , you >> the punishment, i mean, you can you can make up any determination of what you want. >> punishment to necessarily look like. but what i'm saying is it's immaterial to the purpose of prison. it's not about rehabilitation and it's not about punishment. it's about separating dangers from the rest

of society. that's my view of prison. >> that means that a child killer should never be up for parole and allowed out. yeah. um, there you go. and lesley um, so there you go. and lesley agrees that, in opinion, all agrees that, in her opinion, all crimes against children should mean a life sentence . terrorist mean a life sentence. terrorist also, she says, cannot be rehabilitated and deserve top of the range prison sentences . so the range prison sentences. so that's one way of putting it . so that's one way of putting it. so there you go. others have said they'd like to see the death penalty return, but there you go. let us know what you think. gb views gb news. com but it's your . your headlines. >> good afternoon. these are your top stories from the gb newsroom. the labour leader says it was a necessary decision to withdraw support for rochdale by—election candidate azhar ali over comments he made about israel. mr ali apologised after he was recorded during a meeting , suggesting that israel had taken the october seventh hamas assault as a pretext to invade gaza. he'll still be listed as

the labour candidate on the ballot paper, as under electoral law . it's too late to replace law. it's too late to replace him. but if he were to win, he won't become a labour mp. following comments, the following ali's comments, the keir has insisted his keir starmer has insisted his party's changed his leadership. >> well, those comments were appalling and that is why we took decisive action. it is virtually unprecedented to withdraw support for a candidate in the way that i withdrew support for this candidate yesterday. that's what a changed labour party is all about. and of course , any allegation will of course, any allegation will be fully investigated by the party. but the important thing is the decisive action that's been taken to make it absolutely clear that this is a changed labour party high street chain. >> the body shop has entered into a ministration putting thousands of jobs at risk. the retailer runs more than 200 shops across the uk . insolvency shops across the uk. insolvency experts said the administrators will consider all options to find a way forward for the business. after years of

financial struggles . the body financial struggles. the body shop will continue to trade , shop will continue to trade, though, with online sites remaining open and making sales wage growth has slowed in the uk, with new figures showing it at its lowest level for more than a year. the office for national statistics found job vacancies also fell back once again as britain's job market cooled on average, regular pay excluding bonuses , fell to 6.2% excluding bonuses, fell to 6.2% in the last three months of last yean in the last three months of last year, compared with the same penod year, compared with the same period a year before. it's the slowest growth since october 2022. however, after taking price rises into account, pay went up by 1.9. british army troops and vehicles are on their way to poland to take part in the largest nato exercise since the largest nato exercise since the cold war. armoured vehicles, alongside land rovers, engineers, tractors and support vehicles were loaded into a 23,000 tonne cargo vessel near southampton over 500 vehicles will sail from the uk and 1500 service personnel will fly out

to join the nato exercise , to join the nato exercise, called steadfast defender to demonstrate the alliance's unity and capability . 80 the departure and capability. 80 the departure comes as hms prince of wales set sail from portsmouth yesterday to take part . employers and to take part. employers and landlords who allow illegal immigrants to work for them or rent their properties , will face rent their properties, will face much tougher penalties from today. the civil penalty for such actions has risen to a maximum of £45,000 per worker for a first breach, landlords now also face increased penalties of . £5,000 per lodger penalties of. £5,000 per lodger and 10,000 per occupier for a first breach. that's up from £80 and £1,000 respectively. ministers believe the crackdown will help reduce the incentive for illegal migrants crossing into the uk . the housing into the uk. the housing secretary is going to put pressure on london as he pushes for all local councils in the to capital build more homes. michael gove wants all councils in england to build homes on brownfield sites under new plans. part of a wider

plans. it's part of a wider effort by the conservatives to boost housebuilding with younger voters in particular expressing concern the difficulty of concern about the difficulty of getting the property ladder getting onto the property ladder under proposed reforms. under recently proposed reforms. it will become harder for the larger city councils to refuse construction on a previously developed brownfield land if local housing targets are not met. housing minister leigh rowley admitted to us earlier. house building has indeed slowed and the government needs to go further with our urban areas. >> some of where there is lots of brownfield sites are just not building enough. the mayor of london, standing today london, where i'm standing today , he's not built enough houses in few years, so in the past few years, so we absolutely need to build more homes, but we want build them homes, but we want to build them in the right place. and where where councils mayors are where councils where mayors are not we not doing the right thing. we need to account . need to hold them to account. the on the bar for refusal on brownfield site to need go brownfield site to need to go higher and it's all part our higher and it's all part of our long terms plan for housing. it's about showing that the government is serious about tackling challenges that we tackling the challenges that we are seeing . are seeing. >> and king charles has returned

to london after travelling from sandringham by helicopter , where sandringham by helicopter, where his majesty had been staying at his country residence following his country residence following his first cancer treatment. he's postponed all public facing dufies postponed all public facing duties but is continuing with behind the scenes work on his red boxes of state papers. the queen's been carrying out her royal engagements and last week said her husband was doing extremely well under the circumstances as . for the latest circumstances as. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:08 and i have you a television exclusive live with regards to that, rochdale by—election, something that frankly , the something that frankly, the labour party should have spotted and failed to do. so. the labour party is now disowned. candida it had posted a photograph on

his social media in 2015, shaking hands with the then respect party mp george galloway. george galloway at the time was a very controversial figure. he had defeated labour in a by—election only a couple of years before this point, and he had defeated the labour candidates and other candidates , candidates and other candidates, accusing them of lacking islam bafic accusing them of lacking islam basic values. it was said at the time that george galloway ran on a platform of being more islamic than his muslim opponents , and than his muslim opponents, and here we see this labour councillor at the time now then became the labour candidate for this by—election. now disowned by labour, both writing of his association with george galloway at a seminar he says was on say no to terrorism . there we have no to terrorism. there we have it. the former labour candidate shaking hands with george galloway , something that had the galloway, something that had the labour party not known about, you'd surely think they would

have thought this was not a man who was , uh, suitable to be who was, uh, suitable to be a candidate, especially in a by—election. absolutely. >> great spot. there tom. um, red flag, much for the labour party when they were looking at picking candidates, george galloway, all happy to see you. >> it's extraordinary. especially given george galloway is standing in this seat. any association with george galloway would throw up a red flag . there would throw up a red flag. there are labour candidates who have been removed from the labour candidates list from liking tweets caroline lucas, now tweets from caroline lucas, now caroline lucas , of course, caroline lucas, of course, stands against the labour party . stands against the labour party. she is opposed to the labour party, but i think people would say as perhaps it's less toxic in our political culture than george galloway. and if candidates have been stood down for liking tweets from caroline lucas but not stood down after shaking hands and boasting of associations with the then respect party mp george galloway, it raises huge questions .

questions. >> yes, and we'll have to look into what exactly that event was there. say no to terrorism, find out a little bit more about what exactly that event was all about . let's speak to gb news political correspondent olivia utley . olivia, thank you very utley. olivia, thank you very much for joining utley. olivia, thank you very much forjoining us. tom just much for joining us. tom just showed us this tweet from 2015, pictured azhar ali. of course, the labour candidate for rochdale , all smiling and rochdale, all smiling and shaking the hands of george galloway . galloway. >> well, absolutely. i think that tweet that tom's unearthed makes things, makes things even more embarrassing for keir starmer. this has really been an extraordinary 48 hours in politics. just two days ago, keir starmer was defending mr ali, saying that he had the support of the labour party. >> even when labour members, uh, laboun >> even when labour members, uh, labour, jewish groups were saying that they would not campaign in rochdale for mr ali following his comments suggesting that israel, uh,

essentially put a green light on the hamas attacks of october the 7th in order to do whatever they wanted to in gaza. >> those are abominable comments i >> -- >> and finally, finally last night, keir starmer withdrew his backing. >> now , why did it take him so >> now, why did it take him so long? well, one reason, of course, is that it is now too late for labour to put someone else on the candidates list, nominated eyes have already closed, which leaves us in the very strange position where mr ali, despite labour having formally withdrawn their support from him, will have the labour logo next to his name. when rochdale voters go to the ballot box on thursday. >> but if he does get elected, he won't have the labour whip how. >> now. >> the other reason that perhaps keir starmer stood behind mr ali is because as and there are those on the left of the labour party who are pretty furious about this. >> previously, mr ali had been

seen as someone of the sort of centrist tradition, someone more in keir starmer's own image. >> and actually louise ellman, the jewish conservative mp who left the party when mr corbyn was leader but came back under keir starmer and backed mr ali because she said that he had a long history of being anti—islamic extremism. >> so that could be perhaps why keir starmer took so long to withdraw his support. but this image that tom shows, well, that puts a very different light on things. what's so difficult for labour about this situation and also, of course, for the people of rochdale? let's not forget them in all of this. >> is that because cause of this mess, the chances are that george galloway will be handed that seat in rochdale. >> labour have handed over a 9000 seat majority to someone who is, uh, sectarian , a race who is, uh, sectarian, a race baiter and doesn't really have much of an interest in actually being an mp, he said before that he likes the experience of

standing for an mp far more than he likes being an mp. it will ultimately be the people of rochdale who suffer from all of this, but keir starmer too, will have his reputation tarnished. >> it raises enormous questions about the labour party's vetting of their own candidates, especially given that george galloway, in 2015, it was only a couple of years after he defeated labour in bradford west. at the time , the west. at the time, the independent wrote about how mr galloway shamelessly courted muslim prejudice in that by—election campaign and huge questions for anyone who would be shaking his hand, let alone anyone who wanted to be a labour mp, who would be boasting about such an association. well exactly. >> and as i say, i mean it is. it is very strange that he did choose to shake george galloway's hand because actually, historically, mr ali does have a history of speaking out against islamic extremism. there are those who are

suggesting that actually polish six in rochdale has got so toxic that the sort of anti—semitic comments which mr ali made are no longer seen as as sort of fringe that seen as mainstream. and it is possible that he was deliberately trying to court some votes in rochdale with those comments, as you say, tom, it does throw some light on the labour vetting process, and we have seen this time and time again in british politics, and i should say it's not just the labour party who've suffered with this, especially during the 2019 general election. there were lot conservative were quite a lot of conservative mps who won their seats. >> unexpec ali and then caused the party some embarrassment. >> but in those situations , you >> but in those situations, you can sort of understand how it happened. >> in this case, there was a by—election. >> labour had a long time to choose who they wanted to stand as their candidate , and they as their candidate, and they chose mr ali. having to backtrack at the last minute to great personal embarrassment and of course, a lot of difficulty for the people of rochdale. >> thanks, olivia utley ,

>> thanks, olivia olivia utley, our gb political our gb news political correspondent . presumably so he correspondent. presumably so he would say i was just shaking his hand. doesn't mean i endorse everything he says, doesn't mean i'm a great big fan of george galloway. >> and of course people. we live in a free society. i would heartily encourage people meeting with whom meeting with people with whom they disagree, but had this picture been uncovered at the time of the selection , had the time of the selection, had the labour party vetting procedures found this picture ? there is no found this picture? there is no way that azhar ali would have been selected to even be on the short list. you may well be the labour candidate . it does spark labour candidate. it does spark these questions about labour vetting because after all, if you want to be an mp , there are you want to be an mp, there are questions about your associations and your judgement and the fact that you'd post pictures, smile . going away with pictures, smile. going away with someone who had run such a vicious campaign against the labour party only a couple of years earlier raises huge, huge questions about that judgement. >> well, yes, and some of us are

often astonished by the calibre often astonished by the calibre of some of the candid chats on in all parties , perhaps. but in all parties, perhaps. but earlier today, when asked whether he believed that he had deau whether he believed that he had dealt with other cases of anti—semitism differently than dealt with other cases of antirochdalen differently than dealt with other cases of antirochdale by—election than the rochdale by—election candidate , this is what keir candidate, this is what keir starmer had say out four starmer had to say out four years ago to tear anti—semitism out of the labour party. >> it's the first thing i said i'd do as labour leader and to change our party. i have taken a series of decisions along those lines , ruthlessly changing our lines, ruthlessly changing our party, and it's made no difference to me where somebody stands in the labour party. the change i brought about is a labour party that is now back in the service of working people . the service of working people. >> keir starmer speaking there and of course, azhar ali himself has apologised for his comments. yes, but these are the candidates standing in the rochdale by—election. >> yes . azhar ali, labour party >> yes. azhar ali, labour party mark independent simon mark coleman, independent simon danczuk donaldson . danczuk reform uk in donaldson. liberal democrat paul ellison, conservative george galloway, workers party britain michael

workers party of britain michael howarth, independent william howarth, independent william howarth , independent. guy otten, howarth, independent. guy otten, green party. ravin roland sabatina, official monster raving tully, raving loony and david tully, independent. there you go. >> , let's move now >> well, let's move on now because throw away the key. because i'd throw away the key. that's the mother of dawn that's what the mother of dawn ashworth says should happen to the killer of daughter. uh, the killer of her daughter. uh, colin pitchfork. yes >> pitchfork is serving a life sentence raping and killing sentence for raping and killing dawn, well as another 15 year dawn, as well as another 15 year old lynda mann. so the big old named lynda mann. so the big question we're asking question that we're asking today, people be today, can people be rehabilitated, however heinous the crime? and given a second chance? >> well, joining us now is the former prisoner and social campaigner winston davis. winston thank you so much for making the time for us today. uh, first of all, the biggest question that we're going to have to ask you on the front of question that we're going to ha'can) ask you on the front of question that we're going to ha'can peopleyu on the front of question that we're going to ha'can people changee front of question that we're going to ha'can people change and nt of question that we're going to ha'can people change and canf it, can people change and can people reform? no matter what they've done? >> well, i'm i'm living proof of it. you know, uh, 15, 16 years ago, i got caught with a car full of cannabis and, and i was rightfully sent to prison. >> um , i learned from my ways, i

>> um, i learned from my ways, i got trained, i've now run a heating company. >> i'm a chairman of a charity that's helping young boys to not go down that route. and um, i'm. i'm living proof that rehabilitation can work 100. >> what about winston ? in the >> what about winston? in the case of a child killer or rapist , do you think when it comes to that , you , do you think when it comes to that, you should just, you know, life should mean life. >> so this is it. like for me, i'm a father. >> i've got four children. i've got nephews, i've got nieces. if somebody was to kill rape , do somebody was to kill rape, do something like heinous. that's one of my, my children or nieces and nephews. like it's very, very difficult for me to say they can be rehabilitated and if it's personally i'm like, well, yeah, throw away the key. the challenge you've got in this country that have country is that we have a criminal system, which criminal justice system, which says there is a tariff for whatever crime it is, whether it's a whole life sentences, and that's small, tiny that's a small, small, tiny percentage of prisoners would ever a whole life tariff or

ever get a whole life tariff or there'll be a fixed tariff or, or the judge will say, i think you should serve 30 years or 35 years or 25 years, after which time the parole board will decide whether or they're decide whether or not they're allowed as in allowed to be let out, as in this case here. >> frankly, winston , it >> um, frankly, winston, it sounds you were sounds like what you were convicted for was what some might describe as a non—violent offence. and in many ways, many senior politicians, many members of the cabinet, had they been caught and had the same sort of, uh, criminal justice system appued uh, criminal justice system applied to them as it did to you , perhaps they would have been behind bars as well. of course, , perhaps they would have been beiknowars as well. of course, , perhaps they would have been beiknow in as well. of course, , perhaps they would have been beiknow in the well. of course, , perhaps they would have been beiknow in the 2019 of course, , perhaps they would have been beiknow in the 2019 conservative we know in the 2019 conservative leadership many leadership campaign how many people smoking people admitted to smoking cannabis? and all the cannabis? lassie's and all the rest of it. but is there this fundamental between fundamental difference between mean violent crime and non—violent crime? well yeah, just i mean, just to touch on that, i think there was cocaine found in parliament, wasn't there? >> so, you know, it's still >> so, you know, so it's still it's people are still it's still people are still using even those using it even in those places like that . but the average like that. but the average prison in this country prison sentence in this country has increased 50% since 2012, 2022. was a 14 month sentence

2022. it was a 14 month sentence in 2012 that's now gone up to 22 months in 2022. so the average sentence is very fairly small . sentence is very fairly small. you know, i've got 36 months, um, still a very small a small sentence. so the average in this country is small. but you're talking about two polar opposites here. and if you're talking about non—violent crime, you're talking about low level crime. we're busting at the seams. are seams. the prisons are overcrowded probation overcrowded. the probation service cannot cope with the amount they've got, amount of cases they've got, particularly then when you're talking about serious crime. they manage them. they can't manage them. >> winston does it . >> frankly, winston does it. does put someone in does it work to put someone in for amount time ? for a very short amount of time? frankly, sometimes this can be a sort of university of crime, can't it? if someone's arrested for something that's relatively low level, they go into prison for 6 or 12 months. they meet lots of other criminals. they're out back petty out and then back doing petty crime again . yeah. crime again. yeah. >> i mean, look, again, it's a down, to our our psychology down, down to our our psychology and our mindset on crime and and our our mindset on crime and particularly talking about drug crime in this country. we've had a 5060 war on crime . a war a 5060 year war on crime. a war on here hasn't worked.

on drugs here hasn't worked. people are using more. they're getting locked up for more time . getting locked up for more time. and actually, do you know what? if you look at just in that one particular case, there , if we particular case, there, if we were looking at non—violent criminals, either having, yeah, a community sentences or even the government taking control of that whole industry and taxing it and regulating it, so that actually you take the money out of the gangs and actually then you can use that to, to then enforce , the, uh , enforce, um, the, the, uh, sentences give better resources to prisons, the probation services for the more serious criminals who are a threat to our society. >> i think people would find something else to trade . but i something else to trade. but i take your point. winston davis , take your point. winston davis, former prisoner and social campaigner. your campaigner. great to get your insight question. for me insight on that question. for me , it just down to the , it just comes down to the victims and families the victims and the families of the victims. imagine hearing victims. i can't imagine hearing that killer of my child that the killer of my child could be up for parole, could be given back his freedom. absolutely not. makes no sense when it comes to lesser crimes . when it comes to lesser crimes. there's much more of a, you know, an argument .

know, an argument. >> i think. i think the average rehabilitation the average brit would agree would absolutely agree most heinous agree that for the most heinous crimes, most crimes, there should be the most heinous . but for the heinous sentencing. but for the crimes perhaps don't have a crimes that perhaps don't have a direct, uh, sort of violence victim , it should be a very victim, it should be a very different kettle of fish. >> i do think if it's not drugs, it would be something else. but there . coming up. why there you go. coming up. why prince and have prince harry and meghan have once using once again been accused of using their for commercial once again been accused of using their watchingnmercial once again been accused of using their watching good ial gain. you're watching good afternoon, britain gb news afternoon, britain on gb news the .

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> well, it's 226 in the afternoon. you're watching good afternoon britain with me, emily and tom. now, prince harry checking if i was there, checking if i was there, checking if i was there, checking if he's still there. checking if he's still there. he checking if he's still there. chyheing if he's still there. he checking if he's still there. chyhe is] if he's still there. he checking if he's still there. chyhe is with e's still there. he checking if he's still there. chyhe is with you till there. he checking if he's still there. chyhe is with you until|ere. he checking if he's still there. chyhe is with you until threeie is, he is with you until three now. prince harry and meghan have accused of have once again been accused of using royal for using their royal ties for

commercial after commercial gain. that's after they relaunched new brand they relaunched their new brand spanking new website using their sussex title and the royal crest spanking website. >> goodness me , i don't mean >> goodness me, i don't mean that in a weird way, no, but their previous site archewell now automatically directs to sussex comm, a name inspired by their son archie. yes, harry is highlighted as a military veteran , mental health advocate veteran, mental health advocate and environmental campaigner, while meghan is described as a feminist and champion of human rights and gender equity. >> oh, it sounds like my biography . biography. >> my gender equity, not equality . equality. >> feminist equity, champion of human rights i am, but i equity is a very different thing from equality . equality. >> and that's a that's well, we'll get into that later . but we'll get into that later. but let's bring the royal angle let's bring in the royal angle now correspondent let's bring in the royal angle now walker correspondent let's bring in the royal angle now walker , correspondent let's bring in the royal angle now walker , because)ndent let's bring in the royal angle now walker , because a dent let's bring in the royal angle now walker , because a lott let's bring in the royal angle now walker , because a lot of cameron walker, because a lot of people might be asking these are people might be asking these are people who walked away from the royal family and are now using their titles. and the fact that they're prince and princess, that sort of all across the

website , it's almost like they website, it's almost like they they haven't walked away from they haven't walked away from the benefits of being in the royal family. >> well, is certainly the >> well, that is certainly the accusation, tom. i think what's got people really upset this today is the use of the royal crest, which was a gift from queen elizabeth ii to meghan following her wedding, which is, of course, on the front page of the very glossy new website. and the very glossy new website. and the fact that they continue to use and clearly want to publicly use and clearly want to publicly use the names and titles of themselves as the duke and duchess of sussex , but also duchess of sussex, but also their two children, prince archie and princess lilibet. as you said, they stepped back as working members of the royal family at the time. they wanted essentially nothing to with essentially nothing to do with working royals. they wanted to be private individuals to pursue their endeavours . their own commercial endeavours. but the agreement in 2020 was they could not use their royal titles or the royal name , um, titles or the royal name, um, for commercial gain . so there's for commercial gain. so there's a subtle difference now with the website name name instead of some royal com, it's simply

sussex.com. in that agreement in 2020, there was no mention that they could not use the word sussex. it is their right and it is their legal name , the duke is their legal name, the duke and duchess of sussex. so if buckingham palace they may not care , but if they did care, they care, but if they did care, they wouldn't have much power to remove that website's address because they're private individuals. all a bit individuals. it's all a bit strange, it? strange, isn't it? >> there's a sort of, uh , >> there's a sort of, uh, blurring of who they are and what's happened in the past and who exactly they now are as a brand , simply as people. because brand, simply as people. because if you go on the sussexroyal.com, which was their previous website, it says, uh, the site was established in 2020 and sets out the work streams of prince harry and meghan, the duke and duchess sussex , duke and duchess of sussex, pnor duke and duchess of sussex, prior the prior to their move to the united states. it's like they've completely changed their identity , but then they also identity, but then they also haven't. yeah and four years is a very long time and this appears to be yet another identity , another rebrand, identity, another rebrand, perhaps try and get more perhaps to try and get more commercial deals. >> course , we're not we >> of course, we're not sure. we

do their spotify deal do know that their spotify deal was prematurely . they were was cut prematurely. they were seen chatting to the paramount boss red carpet a few boss on a red carpet a few months ago. we know that they need money to fund their 24 over seven their seven security to keep their family no longer have family safe. they no longer have uk tax payer funded police protection and they have a massive mansion in montecito. and if they want to keep up that lifestyle, obviously that costs a lot of money and they're not really being seen at the moment. on the celebrity circuit. they're not being photographed at a—list celebrity parties or anything like that. there's no major, although there's been hints by meghan on red carpets and interviews. she's done over the last few months, there's been major announcement in been no major announcement in terms new commercial terms of any big new commercial endeavour, this is endeavour, so perhaps this is their way trying to , uh, their way of trying to, uh, capitalise on their titles of the duke and duchess of sussex, but not necessarily royal, but of course the lines are very blurred . blurred. >> yeah, absolutely extraordinary . schrodinger's extraordinary. schrodinger's royal to some extent . they're royal to some extent. they're both royal and not royal all at the same time. cameron walker, thank you much bringing

the same time. cameron walker, thethe you much bringing the same time. cameron walker, thethe very much bringing the same time. cameron walker, thethe very latesthh bringing the same time. cameron walker, thethe very latest on bringing the same time. cameron walker, thethe very latest on thatyringing the same time. cameron walker, thethe very latest on that .inging us the very latest on that. >> they say >> well, they probably say you've got live best you've got to live your best life . life. >> i like how you shake , shook >> i like how you shake, shook your shoulders. >> you've got to lift. you live your best don't your best life. don't you imagine harry and meghan imagine prince harry and meghan saying can absolutely saying i can, i can absolutely imagine them doing you imagine them doing that. you know, should, should do know, you should, you should do parties. weddings. parties. you should do weddings. that's. feminism? parties. you should do weddings. that's no, feminism? parties. you should do weddings. that's no, it's feminism? parties. you should do weddings. that's no, it's an feminism? parties. you should do weddings. that's no, it's an immaculate’ yeah. no, it's an immaculate impression. well thank you very much. >> coming up, we're going to be discussing quite a shocking story here. jewish theatregoers were out of a comedy were hounded out of a comedy show in soho in central london. we'll give you the details. >> good afternoon. these are your top stories from the gb newsroom . the labour leader says newsroom. the labour leader says it was a necessary decision to withdraw support for rochdale by—election candidate azhar ali over comments he made about israel. mr ali apologised after he was recorded during a meeting suggesting that israel had taken the october 7th hamas assault as a pretext to invade gaza. he'll

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>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> good afternoon. britain . it's >> good afternoon. britain. it's 2:36. and joining us here is the former labour minister, bill rammell , and the former editor rammell, and the former editor of the sunday express and senior partner pagefield, martin partner at pagefield, martin townsend, now , gentlemen, i want townsend, now, gentlemen, i want to show you this photograph that we've found tweet from the we've found this tweet from the now disowned labour candidate azhar ali. this was a tweet sent in 2015 where he shares a photograph of himself shaking hands with the then respect party mp george galloway . okay, party mp george galloway. okay, um, bill, let's start with you. i'm just amazed that the labour party vetting process didn't

pick this up. >> well, i think there are questions for the labour party vetting had vetting process. you know, had that come then, don't that come out then, i don't think selected him think we would have selected him as you know, in as a candidate. and you know, in my view, i choose my words carefully. galloway is scum and i would never shake his hand . i would never shake his hand. however, when you start trawling through people's social media feeds, you know, i've shaken hands with countless thousands of people and who knows what people. and you know, your political opponents as well. so taking it out of context, i think we just need to be careful. >> but it's strange that he would wish to share it . yeah, i would wish to share it. yeah, i think that's true. if he was looking get on in the looking then to get on in the with the labour ticket. but martin is shaking the hand of a george galloway back in 2015 enough you were off the enough to get you were off the labour list. enough to get you were off the laqur list. enough to get you were off the labi would have i would >> i would have thought. i would have thought so. and it have thought so. and again, it does down that careful does come down to that careful vetting it's open does come down to that careful vetting on it's open does come down to that careful vetting on this it's open does come down to that careful vetting on this guy it's open does come down to that careful vetting on this guy now. s open does come down to that careful vetting on this guy now. there's season on this guy now. there's all going to come all sorts of stuff going to come out few days. um, out over the next few days. um, and this is just the and obviously this is just the beginning it. i think it's beginning of it. i think it's a it's turning into a major, major problem the labour party. problem for the labour party. this story, um, so

this this story, i think. um, so i can see it rumbling on into the weekend. frankly >> we've much more to >> well, we've got much more to cover in this segment, so we'll leave there. but again, leave that there. but again, that a picture that that that was a picture that that candidate shared from candidate had shared from shaking hands with george galloway. >> but it's also to do with accusations about anti—semitism over anti—semitism in society at large, because a theatre in central london, the soho theatre, has apologised after jewish audience members were made to feel unsafe and threatened after comedian paul curry said to have pulled out a palestinian flag and yelled get out! a man , get out at a man who out! a man, get out at a man who didn't want to do the same. it's a pretty bleak story that a theatre in central london there is a strong jewish community in london. of course , and people london. of course, and people are genuinely feeling unsafe and targeted . frankly, bill, this targeted. frankly, bill, this story made my blood boil. >> um, you know, i believe in a two state solution. i believe in the rights of palestinians. but this extremist behaviour on the

fringes of society that says palestinians totally right, israel, totally wrong , is israel, totally wrong, is a million miles away from the solutions that we need. you know, if we're going to get peace in the middle east, it's going to compromise. going to involve compromise. compromise. to compromise. it's going to involve give and take. it's going listening going to involve listening to each other and that kind of behaviour attacking someone behaviour as attacking someone because they didn't stand for the palestinian flag is totally unacceptable. >> the audience member claimed that the comedian told man that the comedian told the man get out of my show, get the f out of here and then continue to swear. apparently, other members of the audience joined in shouting get out and free palestine until the young man left . left. >> and this is all because now this is mob mentality . this is mob mentality. >> yes, yeah, it is mob mentality. >> it is. i think it also i think it also kind of points to a wider a wider issue we have, which this kind of whole which is this kind of whole thing don't agree which is this kind of whole thingme don't agree which is this kind of whole thingme , don't agree which is this kind of whole thingme , you're don't agree which is this kind of whole thingme , you're wrong. agreeum, with me, you're wrong. yeah. um, you , this polarising you know, this polarising of opinion we see all over opinion which we see all over social media, you know, any flag, any flag that he got out.

right. it everyone in the audience has to agree . everyone audience has to agree. everyone has to applaud. no and this was really, really shocking . again, really, really shocking. again, an example of the way we, you know, anti—semitism is , is has know, anti—semitism is, is has become a very dangerous and difficult issue , but also kind difficult issue, but also kind of, as i say, speaking , difficult issue, but also kind of, as i say, speaking, i think, to the fact that, you know , and to the fact that, you know, and comedians seem to seem to think this kind of thing is funny to somehow to, you know, sort of make the audience feel embarrassed know, embarrassed and then, you know, you're my side. you must you're not on my side. you must be if you don't agree with be wrong if you don't agree with my must wrong. my opinions, you must be wrong. we comedians we see a lot of comedians doing this. become a, this. somehow it has become a, you know, some sort of staple , you know, some sort of staple, particularly, i have to say, of left wing comics. that's what particularly, i have to say, of left ydo.| comics. that's what they do. >> essentially, what says is >> essentially, what it says is you're not welcome my show. you're not welcome in my show. if israel in any if you support israel in any shape or form , which, if you shape or form, which, if you won't stand and clap for the palestinian flag , i mean, do we palestinian flag, i mean, do we live in a free society or not? because sometimes it feels like there's a lot of pressure to have views as well. have certain views as well. >> mean, that's certainly what >> i mean, that's certainly what was coming here. and you was coming across here. and you know cries for

know what this cries out for me is we need to develop a culture of being able to disagree agreeably . obe. yeah. and this agreeably. obe. yeah. and this guy is a million miles away from that. that kind of mindset . and that. that kind of mindset. and frankly, you ought to be ashamed of himself . it is extraordinary. of himself. it is extraordinary. >> waving the flag of one side of a conflict , saying everyone of a conflict, saying everyone has to stand up and applaud that flag, and then handing out someone refused to do so. someone who refused to do so. i standing against that sort of mob mentality, should really be applauded from where i'm sitting. but, uh, but i'm just amazed that this was allowed to go on and that, frankly, this particular theatre booked this act, presumably not knowing what was in the act. >> well, the worrying thing is that this kind of behaviour is seen edgy . this is kind of seen as edgy. this is kind of seen as edgy. this is kind of seen as edgy and fashionable and trendy. that's that's my real worry as bill says, it worry about it. as bill says, it speaks to an inability to be able to debate sensibly, to be able to debate sensibly, to be able to debate sensibly, to be able to see someone else's opinion. that's what actually opinion. that's what it actually speaks seemed by many

speaks to. but it seemed by many kind alternative kind of so—called alternative comedians as being terribly edgy to do this kind of thing. and it goes actually , it's goes and actually, it's shocking. like 1930s. shocking. it's like the 1930s. this fascism , you know, this is like fascism, you know, whisper it, but it is . whisper it, but it is. >> apparently this theatre was built on the site of a synagogue. it's the most synagogue. well, it's the most extraordinary. >> much further, >> and it goes so much further, doesn't on campuses, we're doesn't it? on campuses, we're heanng doesn't it? on campuses, we're hearing , you know, every hearing stories, you know, every week about jewish students feeling, well targeted or feeling, well targeted or feeling unsafe or threatened . feeling unsafe or threatened. and it's difficult, isn't it, because a lot of people say, oh, well, i'm only critical of israel. i'm not. i'm not saying anything negative about the jews, but there is such a blurred isn't there , bill? blurred line, isn't there, bill? >> mhm. there is. and look, i'm a university vice a former university vice chancellor know chancellor and you know when i was talking being able to was talking about being able to disagree agreeably, that's what igave disagree agreeably, that's what i gave a lecture on that within universities about the role of higher education teach higher to education teach students how to be able to disagree agreeably and i think that's fundamentally important. and it's, it's broader than higher education. it's within a society as a whole . and i think society as a whole. and i think we lacking that at the

we are sadly lacking that at the moment. yeah. moment. yeah, yeah. >> that we've >> now we should say that we've reached for curry reached out to mr for curry comments. has not yet replied comments. he has not yet replied . posting formerly . but posting on x formerly known as twitter, soho theatre itself has responded by saying this we're sorry and saddened by an incident that took place at our venue at the end of a performance paul curry storm performance of paul curry storm on saturday, the 10th of february, which has caused upset and hurt to members of the audience others . audience attending and others. we take this very seriously and are looking into the detail of what happened thoroughly as what has happened thoroughly as sensitively quickly as we sensitively and quickly as we can. it's important to us that soho theatre is a welcoming and inclusive place for all. judith raanan well, there we go. >> and contacted the >> and we've also contacted the comedian in question, paul curry, for a comment. but we're yet back . yet to hear back. >> well, after the break we'll be diving in to a little bit more on perhaps one of the lesser known stories of the day . lesser known stories of the day. of course, we'll be flipping pancakes

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to gb news radio. >> well, it's 247 and it is in fact shrove tuesday today. and that means one thing, of course, pancakes . have you that means one thing, of course, pancakes. have you had yours yet? >> i have not, i'm going to, though. >> big protein pancakes anyway. yes, shrove tuesday is a christian celebration. of course, on the preceding ash course, on the day preceding ash wednesday, foodstuffs wednesday, when rich foodstuffs such as eggs, milk and sugar have traditionally been used up before the fasting season. of the of lent . well, there the 40 days of lent. well, there you go. >> normal human foodstuffs . >> normal human word foodstuffs. then over to our then let's cross over to our north—west of england reporter then let's cross over to our north—ireaper,england reporter then let's cross over to our north—ireaper, whoand reporter then let's cross over to our north—ireaper, who joinsyporter then let's cross over to our north—ireaper, who joins us ter then let's cross over to our north—ireaper, who joins us from then let's cross over to our n

our faithful , uh, guests all our faithful, uh, guests all lined up in front of the cafe. it was lovely to see and lovely to welcome them in and wish them a happy pancake day. >> i mean, it's still really rather busy now. you can probably see over our shoulders the is full. there's not the place is full. there's not a table and the queue table spare, and the queue is still door. still partly out of the door. people waiting in the rain for still partly out of the door. peoplypancakes. n the rain for still partly out of the door. peoplypancakes. so re rain for still partly out of the door. peoplypancakes. so i rain for still partly out of the door. peoplypancakes. so i thinkfor still partly out of the door. peoplypancakes. so i think that these pancakes. so i think that says quite a lot, doesn't it? now, an interesting fact, emily. you the foodstuffs you mentioned the foodstuffs that are used up ahead of ash wednesday eggs in the uk today. it's anticipated 52 million eggs will be cracked . isn't that the will be cracked. isn't that the most astounding number? >> it's fascinating. it's well it's quite a feat for the farmers isn't it? to say the least. >> it is indeed, of course. and you know what this is really interesting because there is this debate on shrove tuesday or pancake day about the british crepe, the traditional british pancake versus the kind of pancake versus the kind of pancake that yourselves make here. where do you stand on on that debate, ollie? yeah >> so, like i love a crepe at

home. i was inspired by the crepe france as a child. crepe fans in france as a child. we used to in over we used to go in summer over there. that's that's my there. so that's that's my personal preference at home. but my business partner, andy, he was making a scotch pancakes from a very young age with his grandma. so we had to put them on menu and it's scotch on the menu and it's scotch pancakes all the way here. >> absolutely. and just quickly for our viewers now, they were supposed to launch a new kind of pancake today, weren't you? so. but that hasn't ended up happening. tell our happening. so to tell our viewers why. >> yeah. so was developing >> yeah. so i was developing a lovely almond spread. um, bakewell tart inspired pancake stack, um, using morello cherries and our beautiful almond cream. but we ended up actually selling out of the almond cream before pancake day, so, unfortunately for the customers and ourselves , we customers and ourselves, we weren't actually able to get it on the menu . on the menu. >> so no bakewell tart pancakes here at black milk today, but they're still flying off the shelves either way . you so they're still flying off the shelveforither way . you so they're still flying off the shelvefor that,way . you so they're still flying off the shelvefor that, ollie you so they're still flying off the shelvefor that, ollie . you so they're still flying off the shelvefor that, ollie . clearly u so much for that, ollie. clearly pancake day is a big hit. around

50% of brits are going to take part in it today. and no wonder, because let's be honest, who doesn't a pancake ? doesn't love a good pancake? >> well, sophie reaper, thank you us there you very much. joining us there live from manchester. let's turn that are you too that to our panel. are you too i think one of the 50% you forgot. yeah, i think i forgot last yeah >> let's do it today anyway. >> let's do it today anyway. >> but you had so much, so many foodstuffs at home you foodstuffs at home that you could use . bill rammell, foodstuffs at home that you coulyoue . bill rammell, foodstuffs at home that you coulyou be bill rammell, foodstuffs at home that you coulyou be making rammell, foodstuffs at home that you coulyou be making pancakes, foodstuffs at home that you coulyo uh, making pancakes, foodstuffs at home that you coulyo uh, myiking pancakes, foodstuffs at home that you coulyo uh, my wife pancakes, foodstuffs at home that you coulyo uh, my wife isincakes, today? uh, my wife is making them at the moment for our two grandchildren. >> amazing. and i will be joining >> amazing. and i will be joiroh, lovely. and you >> oh, how lovely. and have you got valentine's card, got her a valentine's day card, bill? not yet. that's tomorrow. everyone this is. this is tomorrow. >> if there's that >> if there's anything that potentially is slightly more significant than pancake day, it's valentine's day tomorrow. >> yeah, i've got to >> yes it is. yeah, i've got to get a card as well. >> actually not the petrol >> actually not at the petrol station. petrol station. >> i won't be getting the flowers hopefully flowers there either. hopefully >> uh, well, i'm afraid we're going to have cut this short going to have to cut this short because have some breaking because we do have some breaking news to bring , because we do have some breaking news to bring, uh, because we do have some breaking news to bring , uh, the channel news to bring, uh, the channel and that's that . three people and that's that. three people have been found guilty at westminster magistrates court of

a terror offence after they displayed images of paragliders at a pro—palestine march in central london last year, just a week after hamas militants attacked israel . attacked israel. >> yes, this is very interesting. so these three women who were displaying images of paragliders at a pro—palestinian march last year, just a week after hamas militants attacked israel. they have been found guilty , um, have been found guilty, um, which is very interesting indeed . oh, we've got ray addison here with us. who is now outside the court. ray, what was said ? and court. ray, what was said? and >> yes. well good afternoon to you both. this verdict being handed down by judge tan ikram. he's the deputy senior district judge . and he said it was his judge. and he said it was his conclusion after hearing the trial , which conclusion after hearing the trial, which was one day in length, that the reasonably informed observer would not have associated the images with those of freedom or escape that had been the claim made by the defence kc that the images

actually represented in palestinian culture. the um freedom or um, similar to like birds or balloons and being able to escape from what they described as hamas being rather gaza being an open prison . now gaza being an open prison. now that was rejected by judge tan ikram. he said that he was sure that the reasonable observer would associate the image that was displayed by the defendants with hamas. he said. therefore he found all of the defendants guilty of the section 13 uh offence under the terrorism act. um, but he did say that he wanted to be very clear that he found no evidence that that any of the three defendant were supporters , fighters of hamas . supporters, fighters of hamas. now, the prosecution then made a short statement where they submitted that they believed that the defendants had worn the images or displayed the images deliberately and they said, possibly maliciously , to have an

possibly maliciously, to have an impact on the jewish community. it being just seven days since that horrific terror attack in israel . well, now that was israel. well, now that was rejected by by the judge, by judge tan . and he then went to judge tan. and he then went to on give further details of the case. but yes, this, this, this case. but yes, this, this, this case obviously come to a conclusion today . women found conclusion today. women found guilty and sentencing to continue . continue. >> all from you in the coming hours because what an extraordinary story that's it from us. and thank you to our panel for joining from us. and thank you to our panel forjoining us as from us. and thank you to our panel for joining us as well. panel forjoining us as well. sorry it's cut short , but sorry it's been cut short, but let's martin daubney, let's go now to martin daubney, who of course be picking up who of course will be picking up on that breaking news on that story that breaking news of the paraglider arrests . but of the paraglider arrests. but martin, is on show martin, what else is on the show 7 martin, what else is on the show ? yes >> yeah. exactly right. justice at last. two tier policing. >> finally isn't happening with the paraglider getting nicked for it. >> and about time , a lot of >> and about time, a lot of people might say on the same note, labour in note, the labour party in crisis. palestine problem crisis. there palestine problem coming to haunt them. and coming back to haunt them. and

we'll be saying is british we'll also be saying is british politics being islamified that rochdale by—election turning into a poisoned chalice. plus is our army losing the war to woke and now is golf racist? our army losing the war to woke and now is golf racist ? last and now is golf racist? last week it was the countryside. this week golf is racist. week it was the countryside. this week golf is racist . got this week golf is racist. got all that coming up in the show three till six. but first here's your latest weather forecast . a your latest weather forecast. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello i'm alex burkill here with your latest gb news weather forecast. over the next few days , the best chance of staying dry will be across the far north, but for most there's a fair bit of around. we've already of rain around. we've already seen bit of rain far seen quite a bit of rain so far today. that's in association with a weather system that is gradually making its way northeastwards continue northeastwards and will continue to do as we go through the to do so as we go through the end into end of the afternoon and into the so staying pretty the evening. so staying pretty cloudy. further outbreaks of

rain across of england and rain across much of england and wales, that rain will feed wales, and that rain will feed into northern ireland overnight as meanwhile, as well. meanwhile, across scotland apart few scotland, apart from a few showers, to be showers, it is going to be largely there will be largely dry and there will be some clear skies a result. we some clear skies as a result. we will see temperatures dropping so relatively harsh frost so a relatively harsh frost here. elsewhere , here. meanwhile, elsewhere, because of the cloudy wet weather, actually going weather, it's actually going to be relatively mild start be relatively mild to start tomorrow we tomorrow morning as we go through tomorrow , through the day tomorrow, though, fairly cloudy grey though, a fairly cloudy grey picture further picture yet again. further outbreaks rain and these outbreaks of rain and these could heavy, perhaps could be heavy, perhaps even persistent could be heavy, perhaps even per: south could be heavy, perhaps even perrsouth and more wet could be heavy, perhaps even per: south and more wet weather the south and more wet weather then feeding into parts of scotland as we go through the day some of this wet weather day and some of this wet weather could snow over could bring some snow over higher on to higher ground. holding on to some chillier air across the far north, so temperatures a little bit here. but bit below average here. but elsewhere places are elsewhere many places are relatively mild. day highs of around 14 or 15 celsius. more wet to weather come as we go through thursday could be pretty heavy could lead some heavy and could lead to some localised flooding in places, and some strong, and we might have some strong, blustery association blustery winds in association with this well. but there are with this as well. but there are signs that could see a drier signs that we could see a drier day on friday. that drier

weather, doesn't look weather, though, doesn't look like last particularly like it will last particularly long by long with more rain to come by saturday. by by that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> way . >> way. >> way. >> good afternoon . it's 3 pm. >> good afternoon. it's 3 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. >> across the uk. today >> all across the uk. today we'll hear from sir keir starmer about the huge anti—semitism controversy that's once again blown up in the labour party . blown up in the labour party. labour has dropped asif ali as its candidate after his anti—semitic remarks came to light, but he's still going to appear on the ballot paper as a labour party candidate . labour party candidate. confused? well, we'll try to make sense of it for you throughout the show . throughout the show. >> next, the former sas officer

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