before. and speaking of forces , before. and speaking of forces, the royal navy plans to make all sailors attend compulsory courses on climate change. is that really a good use of their time or not.7 and what do you think of michael gove's new ideas to make extending your home easier .7 with no need at all home easier? with no need at all for planning permission? some say is common sense and a say this is common sense and a great idea, others say it will create civil war between

neighbours. what side of the fence are you on and the so—called gig economy is this the height of flexibility for workers or downright exploitation? i'm asking because tonight delivery drivers are out on strike over the way that they are both paid. sorry and treated, and last but not least, get this right. good payment is going to be paying social media influencers. even that phrase makes me go er. anyway, it's going to be paying them to try and stop migrant boat crossings. what do you think to this? is this sensible? and let's face it, we'll try anything now or a complete waste of . money. well, complete waste of. money. well, i've got peter hitchens and matt lads with me to get stuck into all of that, but before we do, let's cross live for tonight's latest news headlines. michelle thank you and good evening to you. >> will. the top story from the

newsroom tonight is that labour says there are strong checks on would be mps. and that's after a second labour candidate was suspended following accusations of anti—semitism . former mp of anti—semitism. former mp graham jones was reportedly recorded saying british people who volunteer to fight with the israeli defence forces should be locked up. his suspension came only a day after labour was forced to suspend and withdraw its backing for by—election. candidate azhar ali. he was recorded suggesting israel had used the october hamas attack as a pretext to invade gaza . sir a pretext to invade gaza. sir keir starmer has pledged to root out anti—semitism within the labour party. meanwhile a comedian has been banned from a london theatre after jewish audience members were reportedly hounded out of his show. paul curry's been accused of encouraging the audience to chant and shout at an israeli ticket holder after he refused to stand and applaud the palestinian flag. so how theatre central london has apologised and says it's looking into the incident . the audience member,

incident. the audience member, laughing . orton told gb news he laughing. orton told gb news he felt excluded and that's five minutes of his show since. >> since he produced those two flags like like i was taken immediately out of the show like in my head i was you felt excluded? yeah, excluded. and just in my in my mind, i was just in my in my mind, i was just like, thinking about how unfair this comparison is. i just didn't with just really didn't agree with that just really didn't agree with tha economy news. and the rate of >> economy news. and the rate of inflation remains at 4, the same as december last year, despite economic forecasters predicting a rise . figures from the office a rise. figures from the office for national statistics found that food prices fell on a monthly basis and that's for the first time since september 2021. but the shadow chancellor, rachel reeves, criticised the figure, saying conservatives can't fix the economy because they're the reason it's broken. the prime minister insisted the uk economy has turned a corner . uk economy has turned a corner. the chancellor, jeremy hunt, agreed , though more needs to be agreed, though more needs to be done. >> inflation never falls in a straight line and although it's welcome that it hasn't gone up

today , it is still double the today, it is still double the target level of 2% and we're not going to be able to relieve pressure on families until we hit that target. and the bank of england feels able to reduce interest rates. so this is a time to stick a plan that is time to stick to a plan that is clearly working . but we need to clearly working. but we need to make sure that we really get to that end point of inflation at 2. the extraordinary pictures have reached us of a knife wielding man who's been jailed after a group of off duty officers intervened in the attack . attack. >> he was trying to commit. footage from the scene in south london. if you're watching on television shows, joseph jimenez repeatedly trying to stab another man with a large knife and seeing the incident unfold , and seeing the incident unfold, and seeing the incident unfold, and off duty officers charge towards the attacker and managed towards the attacker and managed to separate him from the victim . to separate him from the victim. southwark police force have called the action heroic and nothing short of exceptional. jimenez has been sentenced to a total of 12 months in prison. now crossbow owners could face

police checks under government plans to stop the weapons being used in violent attacks . and used in violent attacks. and that comes after the convicted stalker, bryce hodgson, was shot dead by police last month after he broke into a london home armed with a crossbow. there are currently no registration systems in place for owning one, and no need for a licence . and no need for a licence. israeli strikes have hit villages across southern lebanon today, killing at least four people, including a woman and her two children. israel forces say the attack potentially the largest since the war began in the region, was in response to hezbollah rocket fire, which killed a soldier. it comes as peace talks between hamas and israel have stalled with the israeli prime minister, benjamin netanyahu , saying in the last netanyahu, saying in the last houn netanyahu, saying in the last hour, the terror group have presented no new offer for a deal to get israeli hostages back. deal to get israeli hostages back . meanwhile, 18 out of 31 back. meanwhile, 18 out of 31 nato countries are on track to meet the group's 2% military

spending target . the alliance's spending target. the alliance's chief, jens stoltenberg, says overall spending is set for another record year. nato's european states will invest a combined total of around £302 billion on defence this year. that comes as russia's war against ukraine enters its third year and it is valentine's day. so we thought we'd bring you a look at the lions, at whipsnade zoo. they've had a treat today . zoo. they've had a treat today. in fact, the perfect valentine's treat as the public has showered them with scented gifts . the zoo them with scented gifts. the zoo asked people to donate their unused fragrances, which apparently, when sprayed on sacks filled with straw or on tree stumps or clumps of grass, create enticing scent trails for the big cats. zookeepers say the smell of perfumes and aftershaves enhance the lions sensory experiences and encourages them to explore more. for the very latest stories, do sign up for gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen , or go gbnews.com screen, or go to gbnews.com slash alerts .

slash alerts. >> thanks for that, polly and michelle dewberry. i'm with you till 7:00 tonight watching those headunes. till 7:00 tonight watching those headlines . some of those headlines. some of those stories, it's getting more and more difficult now, isn't it, to distinguish between some sort of film, um, set and scene and real life. you've got a crossbows in there, stabbings . absolutely there, stabbings. absolutely horrendous. what is going on in our country? it's like the wild west out there sometimes, isn't it, guys? anyway look, as also polly was just mentioning, it is indeed valentine's night tonight. i thought to myself, who do i want to spend this evening with david beckham, his best maybe they were best mate? maybe they were not available. know what? available. so you know what? i reached out to next best reached out to the next best thing. i did the columnist at thing. so i did the columnist at the mail on sunday, peter hitchens, will be alongside me tonight labour tonight and the former labour adviser , matthew laza. good adviser, matthew laza. good evening to both of you. um, guess what, everybody. one of my panel guess what, everybody. one of my panel, i won't say which one. i'll um, i'll maintain his confidentiality . he said he

confidentiality. he said he would only do my show tonight if i promised. not to mention valentine's day. and i said yes, of course. there's bigger and better things to talk about. and then i thought, you know what? this so full of doom this world is so full of doom and gloom. so if you can't have and gloom. so if you can't have a moment to reflect nicely, what can so with that mind, can we do? so with that in mind, look everybody peter look at this. everybody peter hitchens, got you a gift, an hitchens, i got you a gift, an expression of love. oh and also valentine. thought valentine. thank you. i thought it'd be a bit if didn't it'd be a bit mean if i didn't get you as well. just get you one as well. just a little token of appreciation. uh, loved and admired uh, you're all loved and admired by of my viewers, and we're by many of my viewers, and we're very glad to be here tonight. yeah, you go. you get. yeah, there you go. you get. you're men would pay you're very lucky. men would pay to spend valentine's day with me. two. get it for me. you two. you get it for free. it's fantastic. they're a lucky bunch. modern lucky bunch. they are modern welfare and there lucky bunch. they are modern wel1go. and there lucky bunch. they are modern wel1go. i and there lucky bunch. they are modern wel1go. i bet and there lucky bunch. they are modern wel1go. i bet you and there lucky bunch. they are modern wel1go. i bet you can'tj there lucky bunch. they are modern wel1go. i bet you can't guess you go. i bet you can't guess which one of them didn't want to mention day, you? mention valentine day, can you? i'll leave it to your imagination anyway. what's on your can your mind tonight? uh, you can get me. all the get in touch with me. all the usual ways. gb views gb news. usual ways. gb views at gb news. com or you can tweet me. me at gb news. now i want to get stuck into quite serious matters

because, uh, this is a massive show of force. you've just show of force. now you've just been about it as in been hearing about it as well in the bulletins. talking, of the bulletins. i'm talking, of course, the nato exercise. course, about the nato exercise. now going be military now there's going to be military drills. it's going have about drills. it's going to have about 90,000 troops. and it's got me wondering tonight, you think wondering tonight, do you think that nato is now valuable that nato is now more valuable and than ever before or and needed than ever before or not? matthew laza where are you on it? absolutely >> i think nato is needed more than ever before, which is why trump's comments at the weekend were disgraceful. been were disgraceful. it's been absolutely our absolutely integral to our security of security and the security of america well as the other america as well as the other alliance members across western europe. now expanding into europe. and now expanding into eastern europe. and so therefore, important therefore, it's important that we nato wholeheartedly. we support nato wholeheartedly. they're right. the americans are right. the european countries, including need to including ourselves, need to step more with the step up and spend more with the honourable exceptions of countries like poland, do countries like poland, which do already more a already spend more as a percentage their income percentage of their income than the states. but they're wrong too. >> and in a second, by the way, i'm going to play you what donald in donald trump actually said in case not familiar with that. >> absolutely. so i mean, he's he's you know, it's right that

joe biden well has done the joe biden as well has done the cause. and what's particularly depressing now depressing about about it is now is where spending is is the moment where spending is starting people starting to go up, where people are take are beginning to take responsibility. germany, largest economy europe, hasn't spent economy in europe, hasn't spent enough on defence, uh, for decades. know, decades. mixture of, you know, wanting spend it on other wanting to spend it on other things that win more votes more easily. it's, know, sort easily. and it's, you know, sort of historic debate germany easily. and it's, you know, sort of histdefence ate germany easily. and it's, you know, sort of histdefence spending.nany is about defence spending. now is actually spending up. you saw actually is spending up. you saw the chancellor of germany. it's digging the digging, the chancellor of germany. it's diggfirst the digging, the chancellor of germany. it's diggfirst foundationz digging, the chancellor of germany. it's diggfirst foundationz dig�*new the first foundation of a new arms week, which arms factory this week, which i didn't think you would see with social democrat labour chancellor yeah, chancellor doing that. so yeah, we nato and we need to we need nato and we need to support it and trump endangers it. hitchens, do you agree it. peter hitchens, do you agree with matt? >> no, i was tremendous >> no, no, i was a tremendous supporter nato we needed it. >> when there was a country called the soviet union, which had tank armies had gigantic tank armies stationed the centre of stationed in the centre of europe westwards and europe pointing westwards and menacing us, and which also beganin menacing us, and which also began in the 1980s to install medium range nuclear missiles. also, some menaces . and at that also, some menaces. and at that time i used to annoy all my liberal neighbours in oxford by having nato sticker on my car. but when the soviet union

collapsed in 1991, an event which i saw in moscow , i which i saw in moscow, i thought, well, the facts have changed. i've changed my mind and i thought that nato should have been wound up. then what nato is supposed to do now ? i'm nato is supposed to do now? i'm not absolutely sure it's been rightly said that its expansion eastwards has created the very problem which it claimed to be defending us against tension in in central europe has grown enormously thanks to this expansion and to other things which the united states has done . and i believe that the policy of eastward nato expansion has led ultimately to the war, which we now have in ukraine. so, no, i'm not enthusiastic about about these exercises, nor do i think people should overrate nato . one people should overrate nato. one of the reasons why it was successful was because its original aims were so limited , original aims were so limited, and it settled on the and it had it settled on the territories which the soviet union had not taken over at yalta in in 1945, and it said, we will defend them, basically said not one step further, but

it acknowledged that there was a was a rival power in europe and it it didn't go anywhere near that. the soviet union invaded hungary it invaded hungary and it invaded czechoslovakia and it , it sent czechoslovakia and it, it sent its tanks into berlin in 1953. and nato did absolutely nothing because nato had agreed that beyond a certain line, it had no it had no interest. the other thing that people must realise is fabled article four is that the fabled article four nato, which promises a response by all in the event of one member being attacked, is nothing like as strong as people think it doesn't commit think it is. it doesn't commit the united states to military action. if another nato member is attacked. well, there's a couple things. the united couple of things. the united states never have states would never have signed it did. and there is it if it did. and there is a grave danger in the history of europe making europe shows this in making guarantees, you're not guarantees, which you're not actually position to keep. actually in a position to keep. so don't the expansion so i don't think the expansion of nato its current are of nato or its current state are doing anything much for us at all. that doesn't mean, by the way, that endorse donald way, that i endorse donald trump's moronic trump's oafish, moronic statements i don't statements because i don't we can agree. >> let's let's play these, >> well, let's let's play these, um, remarks that both my panel

have dismissed already. so let's start with what donald trump had to say, which these guys are referring to. >> well, sarah, if we don't pay and attacked by russia , and we're attacked by russia, will you protect us? i said you didn't pay your delinquent. he said , yes. let's say that said, yes. let's say that happened. no i would not protect you. in fact, i would encourage them to do whatever the hell they want. you got to pay you got to pay your bills. >> well, you two think that's nonsense? that sounds like common sense to me. of course, it's not a country club. >> he thinks it's like mar—a—lago. you know, you don't pay mar—a—lago. you know, you don't pay fee to get in. there is pay the fee to get in. there is an aim that everybody 2. an aim that everybody spends 2. and that the and it's right that the countries step up. frankly, most of northern european of the northern european countries germany countries and including germany will meet that the next will meet that over the next couple people who couple of years. the people who are of right at bottom are kind of right at the bottom are kind of right at the bottom are uh, and but hold on. are spain. uh, and but hold on. it like about it was something like about seven countries out of the 30 at the so if those countries don't >> so if those countries don't value prioritising their funds into protecting their citizens, why should the us why should people like the us prioritise fund in prioritise their fund in protecting those? >> that think

>> well, i think that i think the european should the european countries should spend more. in fact we're not. and that's well they are, they're graph they're moving all the graph shows that country is shows that every country is increasing defence spending . increasing defence spending. >> is in the here >> but his point is in the here and now , they are not. and now, they are not. >> you can't invite your enemies. >> not nato's not a protection racket. exactly. it's an alliance. yes and though after alliance. yes and though after all the things i've said about it and how its expansion has been mistake, it's absurd been a mistake, it's absurd to say weak countries, say that weak countries, which can't military can't afford huge military expenditure should deprived expenditure, should be deprived of they're of protection because they're weak whole point weak and poor. the whole point is huge. the whole point of weak and poor. the whole point is the uge. the whole point of weak and poor. the whole point is the ifie. the whole point of weak and poor. the whole point is the if the he whole point of weak and poor. the whole point is the if the issue ole point of weak and poor. the whole point is the if the issue ofe point of weak and poor. the whole point is the if the issue of nato, of a if the if the issue of nato, which i would to some extent dispute this, is the issue of nato's freedom versus tyranny, then it doesn't matter if the nato's freedom versus tyranny, thencountry,|'t matter if the nato's freedom versus tyranny, thencountry, which ter if the nato's freedom versus tyranny, thencountry, which you're1e free country, which you're defending, can't defending, is poor and can't afford spend a large part of afford to spend a large part of its gdp on defence, you've still defended. >> but i wrong? >> but am i wrong? >> but am i wrong? >> because i'm sorry about the trump statement is but what is the is tyranny, but the percentage? is tyranny, but you're calling it really large you're calling it a really large percentage 2% percentage sum of money for 2% of gdp. live in a in a of their gdp. we live in a in a comparatively rich country. but to start increasing our defence. >> but it's 2% of their gdp so

it's relative michel i know but it's relative michel i know but it's relative. >> start increasing our defence expenditure would mean either increasing taxes . expenditure would mean either increasing taxes. i'm sure you enjoy taxes lot and enjoy paying taxes a lot and everybody does and people will flock out to vote for a government increases their government which increases their taxes it means taking money taxes. or it means taking money from what do you from something else. what do you want it from? education want to take it from? education in we pay. in policing we pay. >> our bills here, which >> we pay our bills here, which we just about make 2% now. >> and that's and with with >> and that's and with and with that, we do? that, what do we do? >> half our armed forces are conked the time and conked out most of the time and they're much too small. so it isn't it really isn't. if we're relying on our ability to spend our into the good books our way into into the good books of donald trump keep of donald trump to keep ourselves big trouble. >> i'm in an island of one. happens very often on this. why? i island of one. it's i like the island of one. it's quite common sense island. quite a common sense island. i agree, actually, with donald trump, you or you trump, that if you don't or you weren't, or you're not willing to pay your your should to pay your your way, why should everyone else step in anyway? there's another principle out of out of a moral principle that you defend the against the you defend the weak against the strong. don't pay strong. yeah, but you don't pay bills you? bills with principle, do you? you don't go into your mortgage place the

place and say, i've got the money, got principle. money, but i've got principle. that's the whole point of principle, isn't it? >> again, you don't >> but then again, you don't give of charity the give out of charity on the expectation. to expectation. you don't give to charity expectation of charity on the expectation of getting back from getting something back from it. >> look, there's >> do you, uh, look, there's another clip i want bring in. another clip i want to bring in. you have the final say you guys can have the final say and thought nato. uh, and thought on the nato. uh, donald but, donald trump thing, but, um, a man probably saw man you probably saw interviewed, vladimir interviewed, uh, vladimir putin was interviewed by tucker carlson. the things carlson. one of the things i want explore here, we're want to explore here, we're talking needed talking about is nato needed more it's about more now than ever. it's about how actual threat how prominent the actual threat is. russia. let's is. uh, from russia. let's listen to what to say. listen to what putin had to say. >> fuel the >> they're trying to fuel the russian threat. >> think you're >> the threat? i think you're referring is a russian referring to is a russian invasion poland. lack via invasion of poland. lack via expansionist behaviour is can you a scenario where you you imagine a scenario where you sent russian troops to poland ? sent russian troops to poland? >> to only in one case, if poland attacks russia, why ? poland attacks russia, why? >> because we have no interest in poland, latvia or anywhere else. why would we do that? we simply don't have any interest. so in putin there, peter, he's basically saying that all of

these countries are running around whipping up this kind of what he was calling an imaginary threat from russia for their own ends >> really? do you think he's got any interest basically, in expanding his tentacles out? >> a lot of things have changed since the ukraine war broke out, but you have to remember that i think was there were 13 years think it was there were 13 years after the to the baltic states got their independence from the soviet union when they were not members of nato . and i don't members of nato. and i don't recall boris yeltsin threatening to invade them or invading them dunng to invade them or invading them during that period. the same goes for the eastern european countries, which joined nato quite long after they'd they'd been released from the soviet prison. russia is not the soviet union, and amongst other things, there were two crucial differences. one, it's not an ideological state. it doesn't want to impose a political philosophy on its neighbours . philosophy on its neighbours. the other is it doesn't have global ambitions. and the third one, which is equally important, is it is broke and it doesn't really have very much money and its population is in decline. so really have very much money and it:has)ulation is in decline. so really have very much money and itshas limited is in decline. so really have very much money and

itshas limited abilities:line. so really have very much money and itshas limited abilities as e. so it has limited abilities as a military power. and being as it is a inefficient and is a very inefficient and corrupt country , it's not very corrupt country, it's not very good at fielding military forces, the original aim was forces, but the original aim was very in ukraine to very nearly failed in ukraine to nato. >> t mean , there was >> it was, i mean, there was a partnership peace agreement. >> it was, i mean, there was a partnewaso peace agreement. >> it was, i mean, there was a partnewas an peace agreement. >> it was, i mean, there was a partnewas an originalagreement. >> it was, i mean, there was a partnewas an original ideaement. >> it was, i mean, there was a partnewas an original idea wasit. there was an original idea was that you would bring a democratic and let's democratic russia in, and let's hope is a democratic hope that there is a democratic russia that we join. nato it russia that we can join. nato it was clear, actually, in was made clear, actually, in the putin clinton putin interview that clinton had been sympathetic to the idea when it to them. been sympathetic to the idea wh

these organisations? one of the things you don't do, almost certainly my view, is , is say certainly in my view, is, is say you're to expand nato into you're going to expand nato into ukraine, much ukraine, which pretty much everybody understood and was a neutral space about , what, neutral space until about, what, 2000 until he invaded? no, until no, until about 2008, when george suddenly announced george w bush suddenly announced that bucharest that he was that in bucharest that he was going to encourage ukraine and georgia to join nato, at which point we began there would be no progress. were asked that progress. we were asked to that we on conveyor belt to we were on the conveyor belt to this well well, like this conflict. well well, like clive says, uh, please , can you clive says, uh, please, can you tell panel , clive says, uh, please, can you tell panel, um, the class tell your panel, um, the class is basically you're talking tosh. >> you're referencing article four of nato and it's article five, but it's not actually and i'm sure peter will correct me if i'm wrong. it's basically a combination the two. article combination of the two. article four members get four is when members get together and discuss potential threats . threats and territorial. compromise. and article five, right off the back of article four, once you've consulted all the rest of that, article five is basically the attack one attack principle. quite right. >> it was my mistake. um, but we all them. i had actually

all make them. i had actually been at another been looking at another treaty this afternoon in which article four important, but i. four is rather important, but i. that's excuse. there you go. >> there's no flies on our clive. attention. clive. he's paying attention. that's we like that's what we like. we like that, clive. anyway, look, there is it's still useless. whatever >> it's still useless. whatever number has. number it has. >> want to talk you. >> i want to talk to you. >> i want to talk to you. >> it's still valuable. >> it's still very valuable. >> it's still very valuable. >> it's very valuable >> uh, well, it's very valuable to those people that can't be bothered money into bothered to pay their money into it. woke on it. but anyway, i woke up on that can uh. let's that one again. can uh. let's talk. answer. let's talk. let's. same answer. let's stick the forces then, stick with the forces then, shall the shall we? because after the break, want to you , break, i want to talk to you, um, the navy. do you think um, about the navy. do you think there's should have to there's sailors should have to have mandatory climate change training? is a good idea ? training? is that a good idea? is it all par for the course, or is it a complete waste of time? your thoughts? i'll see in your thoughts? i'll see you in two.

he referred to effing israel , he referred to effing israel, talking about israel with an expletive . expletive. >> hi there, michelle dewberry keeping you company till seven columnist at the mail on sunday peter hitchens alongside me as is the former labour adviser matt lazor. um, carol says

michel, i'm watching you while we have our valentine's dine in dinner. that's very romantic . dinner. that's very romantic. thank you. uh, what a treat. what a pleasure be able to what a pleasure to be able to share intimate moments share your intimate moments with you. that . uh, you. i appreciate that. uh, peter please, can you tell peter says, please, can you tell peter says, please, can you tell peter hitchens, the man who never made mistake, made never made a mistake, never made anything? never any anything? there is never any necessity to apologise. he's only human. of mistakes. only human. lots of mistakes. >> apologise for >> you should apologise for them, though, because then you remembered them better. >> uh, the >> um, paul says, uh, on the nato issue. he agrees you. nato issue. he agrees with you. it you credit for what it gives you credit for what you're saying. lots people you're saying. lots of people completely disagreeing with me where people where i'm saying that people should their should step up and pay their bills. luckily, there are bills. but luckily, there are some out there with basic some of you out there with basic common who with common sense who do agree with me. think if you don't me. um, that think if you don't pay me. um, that think if you don't pay out. that's pay your way, get it out. that's all say . anyway, look, all i'll say. anyway, look, let's the navy, let's talk the royal navy, because documents that have because now documents that have been obtained telegraph been obtained by the telegraph basically that all basically suggest that all sailors in the navy may be forced to attend online training. um, for climate change. what do you think to this? uh, peter hitchens is this all good? is it par for the course sensible, or is it a little bit off pieced, given that most of the navy ships are

conked have to think of >> they have to think of something for the poor, poor things to do, don't they? but that wouldn't seem me. that that wouldn't seem to me. perhaps how perhaps they could learn how to splice mainbrace splice the mainbrace or something that instead. something of that kind instead. the thing about climate change is that it is. it is now the ideology, the dogma of our of our nation, indeed of the western world. it's like marxism—leninism in the old soviet union, when everybody used to have to attend classes in it. it is what you have to believe . and so therefore it's believe. and so therefore it's a mixture of religion and ideology . and if you dare not to believe in it, then you're in trouble in which everybody must be indoctrinated. so the real problem is not whether they've got better things to do. perhaps not given, i say, that the not given, as i say, that the ships move, but whether ships won't move, but whether the this should be the sort of country where dogma is taught to members of the armed forces, as indeed it's taught to and by teachers in schools and in universities and everything else teachers in schools and in uthereities and everything else teachers in schools and in uthere iszs and everything else teachers in schools and in uthere is onlyd everything else teachers in schools and in uthere is only one erything else teachers in schools and in uthere is only one opinion, else . there is only one opinion, which is now valid. you don't get arrested for not holding it

because this is a marshmallow totalitarianism, not a hard one. but you will find , for instance, but you will find, for instance, that your career suffers , or that your career suffers, or indeed you might if you're in the local authority contracting business, you don't get contracts. things will happen to you if you make it plain that you if you make it plain that you have not joined in believing with the stuff. and it is very, very menacing and we all know the police have been indoctrinated in all kinds of things for years, and no doubt climate change is all part of it too. but this is a new religion . too. but this is a new religion. >> do you agree with that? >> do you agree with that? >> so i'm very against mandatory onune >> so i'm very against mandatory online tick box trading of any description. as somebody who spent in the bbc and spent 15 years in the bbc and did, you know, including a what is north online mandatory is the north online mandatory training course. i'm against is the north online mandatory trainibut ourse. i'm against is the north online mandatory trainibut the ;e. i'm against is the north online mandatory traini but the climategainst is the north online mandatory traini but the climate change is that. but the climate change is a geopolitical threat . it is a geopolitical threat. it is therefore, in my view, sensible that royal thinks about that the royal navy thinks about it , that strategic it, that in its strategic planning for how the world is changing, literally how the oceans are changing, that's one thing. but i'm not in favour of kind of forcing every, every rating, were, every rating, as it were, on every

ship go. ship to go. >> do you regard it as well? >> do you regard it as well? >> i think it depends whether we manage its manage to curtail, uh, its continuation. but if, you know, if the royal navy sent to help out commonwealth country, if the royal navy sent to help out (you nonwealth country, if the royal navy sent to help out (you know,alth country, if the royal navy sent to help out (you know, half:ountry, if the royal navy sent to help out (you know, half:ouitsy, which, you know, half of its underwater power, not saying underwater power, i'm not saying necessarily happen, necessarily that will happen, but reasonable but this is perfectly reasonable sort planning for sort of scenario planning for a military organisation. very military organisation. it's very different everybody different to getting everybody in navy to sit and go in the royal navy to sit and go tick, tick, know, on tick, tick, tick, you know, on an course, if it should an online course, if it should happen some point an happen that at some point an officer majesty's navy officer in his majesty's navy was found to have been saying to those under his command that he didn't actually believe that global warming was man made. >> what do you think should happen to him or her? >> i certainly should not be a punishable offence. they shouldn't be. uh uh, i mean, obviously point of obviously it's a point of discussion in strategic discussions. i'm not in favour of criminalising. >> think? of criminalising. >> what do you think? no i'm not thinking crime. not thinking about crime. i'm not even this is a this even even saying this is a this is marshmallow is a marshmallow totalitarianism. amnesty international is never going to intervene who was intervene when somebody who was going promoted captain going to be promoted to captain doesn't promoted doesn't get promoted because they wrong thing , but they said the wrong thing, but that's happen that's what would happen to anybody actually dared to anybody who actually dared to

say and other say that. and in any other organisation that's remotely connected or the connected with government or the education system, anybody who actually any doubt at actually expressed any doubt at all the climate change, all about the climate change, religion would suffer. i'm not in favour of groupthink. >> i think that i think there >> so i think that i think there should robust discussion should be robust discussion allowed, shouldn't allowed, and it shouldn't interfere people's careers. interfere with people's careers. >> but does, >> i think that the but it does, you know. >> does. absolutely it does. >> yes it does, it does, it does partly as a result of the movement support. movement which you support. >> because my view >> well, i think because my view climate change is real, think climate change is real, i think the supports think the science supports it. i think it taken into it needs to be taken into account, i don't think it account, but i don't think it should be a sort of semi, semi should be a sort of semi, a semi sort that you sort of religious deity that you should sign up to. should have to sign up to. >> what's happened. the >> that's what's happened. the bbc, bbc, instance, does bbc, the bbc, for instance, does not any not acknowledge any any dissenting if you dissenting view. if you if you dissenting view. if you if you dissent climate change dissent from the climate change religion, the bbc will not have you on. yeah. religion, the bbc will not have you ormyeah. religion, the bbc will not have you ormy day, my day. nigel >> in my day, my day. nigel lawson wheeled or lawson was wheeled out to uh or matt put the to put matt ridley to put the to put the anti—climate change case, but that's, that but look, i think that's, that has officially stopped. i think sceptical voices should still be heard conversation. while sceptical voices should still be hea overwhelmingersation. while sceptical voices should still be hea overwhelming science while the overwhelming science should be listening. >> forward to seeing some >> i look forward to seeing some actually be director general

peter, forward seeing peter, i look forward to seeing some your movement some action from your movement to that into to actually put that into practice, i see no practice, because i see no sign of at moment. of it at the moment. >> there's theme now, >> there's a key theme now, isn't it runs isn't there? and it runs through. different through. so many different organisations and through. so many different orgtrestitions and through. so many different orgtrestitionesg. and through. so many different orgtrestitionesg. um and through. so many different orgtrestitionesg. um peopled the rest are esg. um people probably know what that is now. uh, environmental, social and governance. and a lot of this is all around what i would call a lot of tick boxes. but it really shapes and drives so of, um shapes and drives so much of, um , corporate. >> i'm against hate boxing . , corporate. >> i'm against hate boxing. i'm in favour of thinking, uh, i'm in favour of thinking, uh, i'm in favour of people thinking through impact. through looking at the impact. some is needed. some of it is needed. >> more sinister that some of it is needed. >> rorganisations, that some of it is needed. >> rorganisations, a that some of it is needed. >> rorganisations, a lot at some of it is needed. >> rorganisations, a lot of because organisations, a lot of them, they need investment to them, if they need investment to grow, example, hoops them, if they need investment to growthey example, hoops them, if they need investment to growthey examjto , hoops them, if they need investment to growtheyexamjto go hoops them, if they need investment to growtheyexamjto go through them, if they need investment to growthey examjto go through to that they have to go through to tick different tick all of these different boxes, you end up boxes, it's um, and you end up with companies. with polluting companies. >> green logo on >> they stick a green logo on the on the booklet. get, the on the booklet. they get, they get, they get, they get a tick they get, they get, they get a fick and they get, they get, they get a tick and they get the money. tick box and they get the money. and shouldn't have that. tick box and they get the money. ancwere shouldn't have that. tick box and they get the money. ancwere youddn't have that. tick box and they get the money. ancwere youddifavoura that. tick box and they get the money. ancwere youddifavoura tinet zero? >> and with the sensible plan? yes. >> you are in favour of net zero, with the sensible plan, with sensible plan with a sensible plan is the sensible thing. >> there such thing as >> is there such a thing as a sensible plan? i'll sensible net zero plan? i'll there i'll come back there isn't. i'll come back to that a second. um, i want to

that in a second. um, i want to move on before, um before go move on before, um before i go to break, i want to ask to my next break, i want to ask you very quickly, should the government money on government be spending money on tiktok, social media influencers to those guys to try and get those guys to help people cross the help stop people cross the channel? nigel farage. uh, channel? nigel farage. he's, uh, up i can cross up at 7:00. i think i can cross live to him now. evening. live to him now. good evening. nigel response from you nigel a quick response from you on that's on that one. do you think that's a use of taxpayers funds ? a good use of taxpayers funds? >> advertising , saying to >> advertising, saying to people, please don't come to the uk. this is just another pathetic attempt. it won't stop anybody. we >> i didn't hear a word of that, but it sounded fascinating. uh, and i look forward to watching you at 7:00 tonight. thank you very much for that. >> i'm kind of guessing he might be against it. >> well , let's ask you, what do >> well, let's ask you, what do you think to that? >> just laughable . it >> well, it's just laughable. it just it has nothing to do just isn't. it has nothing to do with the with the issue, does it? you're not going to persuade anybody to come or not come anybody to come or not to come to country whatever to a country by tiktok, whatever it is. >> why em eeeeuee era-l em- >> why not? because a lot of these getting

these people are getting encouraged because of encouraged to come because of tiktok . so you've got all these tiktok. so you've got all these videos . i tiktok. so you've got all these videos. i mean, you'll have to give me the research on that. i'll give you a really good examples. actually, some of my viewers, you probably be familiar with this. you've got these, um, accounts where they're almost they're doing it's almost like i would almost call them. it's like travel brochure. like an online travel brochure. you've got tiktok people now. you've got tiktok people now. you've got tiktok people now. you've got people going on tiktok. they're filming themselves. tiktok. they're filming the these es. tiktok. they're filming thethese montages from the all these montages from the moment onto their boat. moment they get onto their boat. you can see them often chucking their away. they're their documents away. they're chilling hotel bed. chilling out on their hotel bed. they're chucking wads of cash all so tick tock is all around. so tick tock is absolute, being used to help enfice absolute, being used to help entice people here. >> what's going to be on these anti anti—migrant anti—migration tiktok pictures of rwanda in theory, presumably . theory, presumably. >> i mean you could empty rwanda. >> you could have pictures of standard british beach with the usual effluent pouring out onto it from a from a filthy river. i suppose. >> i mean, look, look, i don't know, it just seem to me know, it just doesn't seem to me it it's impulse, the it headline it's impulse, the impulse a impulse to travel to to a a ficher impulse to travel to to a a richer country is a very strong

impulse, which i strongly sympathise with. >> see exactly why people >> and i see exactly why people do think it's to be do it. i think it's going to be diminished bit by a by a diminished one bit by a by a tiktok >> think the headline, i can >> i think the headline, i can see it gets people's, you see how it gets people's, you know, blood pressure, uh, raging. when raging. but actually when you look it's about £30,000. look at it, it's about £30,000. i don't think it's guaranteed to work. but as michelle says, tiktok a big part tiktok is actually a big part of this. perhaps know, this. not perhaps how you know, it's how listen to it for it's how people listen to it for 30, grand, which about 30, 30 grand, which is about sort of a migrant, 30, 30 grand, which is about sort migrant, of a migrant, 30, 30 grand, which is about sort migrant, two of a migrant, 30, 30 grand, which is about sort migrant, two dropa migrant, 30, 30 grand, which is about sort migrant, two drop innigrant, 30, 30 grand, which is about sort migrant, two drop in the ant, one migrant, two drop in the ocean, £30,000 is what some people say many, many years to pay people say many, many years to pay tax. pay in tax. >> now out of very small incomes. they they have incomes. so they have they have absolute. what i mean is absolute. but what i mean is a percentage of, of the money that we at moment we are spending at the moment on, with migrant crisis. >> ? does e— ? does end up, um, >> if, if it does end up, um, it's still something even one person coming. it's a net saving, it's somebody's saving, it's still somebody's money working. money that they made by working. absolutely. but i think ultimately 1 or 2 ultimately if it stops 1 or 2 people coming, it would save itself. don't money itself. i don't think money should but if should be thrown at this. but if it's worth seeing if it has an effect, remind me of effect, it does remind me of slightly those vans that slightly of those vans that theresa may sent. oh yeah, i think effective than think it's more effective than those the country

those they were in the country here, where people were here, not where people were coming from. >> i don't well, let's wait >> i don't well, let's i'll wait for research to for the research to come. >> on tiktok >> you're not on tiktok yourself, you know yourself, peter, are you know you're missing out. >> down an absolute. >> i think you'd be sensation. >> i think you'd be a sensation. >> i think you'd be a sensation. >> give it some consideration. >> yeah, be as digital managers. >> we could. we could go make the first one after the show. >> yes. no. um it's the valentine. i might try and work >> yes. no. um it's the valit.tine. i might try and work >> yes. no. um it's the valit.tine. i heght try and work >> yes. no. um it's the valit.tine. i he could' and work >> yes. no. um it's the valit.tine. i he could hold work >> yes. no. um it's the valit.tine. i he could hold hisk on it. yeah. he could hold his little valentine heart or. i think you'd absolutely on think you'd absolutely fly on there. we've got to think you'd absolutely fly on the|level we've got to think you'd absolutely fly on the|level in we've got to think you'd absolutely fly on the|level in this we've got to think you'd absolutely fly on the|level in this country got to think you'd absolutely fly on the|level in this country where the level in this country where we're going even the very we're going to pay even the very notion, the have to notion, by the way, i have to carry this, even the notion carry out this, even the notion that such thing as that there are such a thing as social influencers, even social media influencers, even that cringe a little that makes me cringe a little bit, i think it's so bit, because i think it's so cringeworthy. but anyway, we are where this where we are. i suppose in this strange anyway, strange day and age. but anyway, if the point now if we have got to the point now where is a strand of where there is a strand of government policy which is about picking people off social picking random people off social media please, picking random people off social media try please, picking random people off social media try tell please, picking random people off social media try tell these lease, can you try and tell these people then? people not to come here, then? i mean , that says a lot about mean, that says a lot about where we actually are and the problem that you've got to peter's what on earth are peter's point, what on earth are these going to these guys actually going to say? they tell say? because if they tell the truth to their audience, what

they'll them is, they'll be telling them is, guys, if you get on one of these, um, birthing things in france, you absolutely will be picked up halfway through , um, picked up halfway through, um, by charity or whoever . you'll by a charity or whoever. you'll be taken over to england. you'll be taken over to england. you'll be put up probably in a four star country estate . you'll get star country estate. you'll get all of health care stuff. you'll have a bit of pocket money. you probably be able to go out, actually, and start delivering pizzas and working on the black market. actually so there you go. market. actually so there you 90- ' market. actually so there you go. , how is that going to go. i mean, how is that going to deter anybody . see. deter absolutely anybody. see. so actually if anyone's listening from the government, i do you actually to consider do urge you actually to consider how on earth you can start making less attractive making this a less attractive proposition in the place. proposition in the first place. and perhaps that, um, might save you a few bob on so—called social media influencers. i've got to say that does make me cnnge got to say that does make me cringe a little bit. that whole notion. but whilst it makes me cringe, i do. my gut instinct is telling me we could a telling me we could make a start. a tiktok star out of peter never say never . peter hitchens never say never. stranger have happened, peter hitchens never say never. strangand have happened, peter hitchens never say never. strangand people we happened, peter hitchens never say never. strangand people make jpened, peter hitchens never say never. strangand people make an ned, peter, and people make an absolute fortune. not often . absolute fortune. not often. >> i do sometimes say never.

>> i do sometimes say never. >> um. philip says, well, >> i do sometimes say never. >> um. philip says, well , to be >> um. philip says, well, to be honest, i think tiktok honest, michel, i think tiktok would stop births then would stop more births then rishi. um, ravi says the only influencers that are making any difference are the tories. by dangung difference are the tories. by dangling the carrot of four star hotels and all the rest of it . hotels and all the rest of it. um, i've got to say , i'm not um, i've got to say, i'm not sure how effective you think that tiktok scenario would be. um, we're talking about the royal navy. navy as well, about whether or not they should have these, um, climate change things. stephen says there shouldn't any compulsory shouldn't be any compulsory climate change courses at all, irrespective of the sector. some people believe it's true, but other people don't. to peter's point, as well, kind of different opinions are often suppressed, aren't they? um jason says ships are responsible, surely for huge amounts of emissions. so is there a contradiction there? i don't know, you tell me, robert says. there's so much madness now. lots of it is a nasty virus infecting all of our great institutions. government needs to get a backbone and ban this

madness. um, i mean, to be honest, the government could do with banning an awful lot of things, actually. but would you support because a lot of support that? because a lot of people favour of people are more in favour of a smaller that smaller government that intervenes they intervenes less, are they not let me know your thoughts. there is a i want to talk to you is a lot i want to talk to you about after the break. want to about after the break. i want to talk about so much. how do i get peter hitchens on tiktok? i might work on that one. uh, dunng might work on that one. uh, during the break, but lots more i about planning i want to talk about planning should you need planning permission to extend your property? i don't know, maybe a loft conversion or something like gove is like that. michael gove is consulting perhaps moving consulting on perhaps moving that of the way, clearing that out of the way, clearing the for essentially the way for you to essentially be able to do lots more to your property . is be able to do lots more to your property. is that a good idea or

on month, year on year, though, compared to january 2023, food pnces compared to january 2023, food prices are up . prices are up. >> high. they're michelle dewberry with you till seven. peter hitchens, alongside me, as is matt laser. barbara says, please can you tell peter

hitchens you've made her valentine's day been on here tonight? on barbara. barbara, i don't like it. he didn't take it as a compliment. i've got to tell you. uh, he's the one for me. >> no, no. >> no, no. >> oh, i made anyone's valentine's , uh, night out there valentine's, uh, night out there . where's your mom? and she .where's your mom? and she watching now? sadly not with us anymore. >> otherwise, all right. >> otherwise, all right. >> sorry. once a right in side, he side. i mean, you can't even compliment some people, can you? i don't know , uh, stephen, why ? i don't know, uh, stephen, why? what's wrong? what's the matter? why don't you like , was wrong? why don't you like, was wrong? >> don't compliments. >> no, i don't like compliments. >> no, i don't like compliments. >> you don't like >> no, you don't like compliments. oh, i can, i can read of emails out there. read a lot of emails out there. not complimentary, if that'll make you any better. make you feel any better. i enjoy says enjoy that. uh, stephen says we've been talking about we've just been talking about whether or not we should pay more this tiktok more money on this tiktok campaign . uh, stephen says i've campaign. uh, stephen says i've got a better idea . don't spend got a better idea. don't spend money on tiktok. influencers to stop people crossing the channel. find a drain. pour the money down there instead. because that's because it seems like that's what much what we do with pretty much everything else in this country. oh, you're a man , stephen.

oh, you're a harsh man, stephen. anyway, housing anyway, let's talk housing because, he is because, uh, michael gove, he is upset people today and upset a few people today and delighted because he's delighted others because he's now trying to get on top of the housing situation . you'd almost housing situation. you'd almost think it an election think it was an election year, wouldn't uh, he is wouldn't you? anyway, uh, he is now consultation now put plans into consultation to ask whether or not we should be able to extend our properties essential, with no planning permission. it could be one of those l—shaped extensions . those l—shaped extensions. means, uh, a bigger loft , uh, means, uh, a bigger loft, uh, conversion and so on. and so forth. where are you, peter? is this a good idea or not? >> it's horrifying. >> it's horrifying. >> i've long said that the future of europe is probably the whole place will look like istanbul. a vast streetscape of concrete , plastic, petrol fumes concrete, plastic, petrol fumes and no trees to be seen . it's and no trees to be seen. it's the way, the way the development of much of europe now seems to be going . no, no relief from it be going. no, no relief from it at all. the ideal of the suburb, the garden city ideal of ebenezer howard, of houses with gardens . set among trees, is

gardens. set among trees, is a very fine one. it's a very good way to live. it's been a huge success. >> but socialist idea simply doesn't work. >> i didn't say it wasn't. it simply doesn't work . if people simply doesn't work. if people are allowed to build what they like, if you're if your neighbour can suddenly build right up to his, to his boundary overshadowing you, look , look at overshadowing you, look, look at the constant tragic disputes which grow up between neighbours over the movement of a fence or a drive or or suddenly being overlooked. this would then be happening all the time. the bad temper and the bitterness which it would engender would be gigantic. and for what the problems of this country are not that we don't have too many , too that we don't have too many, too few houses. so we have too many people. we we've encourage to create a low wage economy. we've encouraged an enormous amount of immigration. we continue to do so without any real thought about where people are going to live, and at the same time, to make this even worse, we've encouraged policy of encouraged a policy of widespread has widespread divorce, which has created an even greater demand

for houses. it's the country for houses. and it's the country can't it . there aren't can't sustain it. there aren't places where people are going to be prepared to live, where you can enough , where you can can build enough, where you can build really build enough houses. we really have start working out pretty have to start working out pretty soon. we're going to end the soon. how we're going to end the mass immigration and stabilise our population. but michael gove is not going to solve anything by allowing your neighbour or mine to build the crisis. >> i think we can agree it's not going to solve the housing crisis . absolutely. and michelle crisis. absolutely. and michelle had an election . thing. they've had an election. thing. they've had an election. thing. they've had 14 years to sort out or at least make some progress on housing, and their record is absolutely dismal . and i think absolutely dismal. and i think there's a serious element, as peter says, we've seen sort of murders happen disputes murders happen over disputes about if you can about fences. now, if you can just you know, 50% of just build, you know, 50% of your your green space can be your of your green space can be taken up under these the what the they're the proposal that they're consulting the proposal that they're consult0|g the proposal that they're consuito see a lot more really going to see a lot more really unpleasant neighbour disputes. what do is regard what we need to do is regard housing country being what we need to do is regard housirhousing, country being what we need to do is regard housirhousing,and1try being what we need to do is regard housirhousing, and not being what we need to do is regard housirhousing, and not as being

about housing, and not as an asset, that about, you asset, so that it's about, you know, we need build more know, and we need to build more houses, to have houses, and we also need to have a where a sensible housing market where we of sit and we don't all sort of sit and pray houses of house pray that the houses of house pnces pray that the houses of house prices going up. well, prices are going to go up. well, we have one where actually people housing. we have one where actually peopli've housing. we have one where actually peopli've said housing. we have one where actually peopli've said here housing. we have one where actually peopli've said here coupleig. we have one where actually peopli've said here couple of well, i've said here a couple of weeks we really weeks ago that what we really need revive the council of need is to revive the council of states and we need to new. need is to revive the council of sta we and we need to new. need is to revive the council of sta we agreee need to new. need is to revive the council of sta we agreee needabsolutelyzw. >> we agree peter. absolutely we do. more social do. we need to build more social housing. be housing. they need to be carefully as they carefully planned as they originally ones that originally were, the ones that they built the very good ones they built the very good ones they tower they built before the tower blocks 19 oh blocks totally back in the 19 oh morrisonian estates in london, that but, that then you would go but, but, but people to but just allowing people to build they like. and it's build what they like. and it's not neighbour disputes not just the neighbour disputes and that and the claustrophobia that everyone and the claustrophobia that ev course, the effect on of course, the effect on flooding, more of course, the effect on flooless, more of course, the effect on flooless, less more of course, the effect on flooless, less places more of course, the effect on flooless, less places the �*e of course, the effect on flo> intelligent person. >> he's an intelligent person. i've years. he's i've known him for years. he's not. but surely i've known him for years. he's notmust but surely i've known him for years. he's notmust that but surely i've known him for years. he's notmust that this3ut surely i've known him for years. he's notmust that this policyely i've known him for years. he's notmust that this policy has he must see that this policy has many . disadvantages than advantages. >> well, it seems he doesn't, but he should do well, maybe. >> maybe he'll listen in and he'll come to the conclusion. >> well, be to

>> well, i'll be going to consultation >> well, i'll be going to co get tation >> well, i'll be going to co get your] >> well, i'll be going to co get your say. but by tiktok? to get your say. but by tiktok? yeah. by tiktok. i've to yeah. by tiktok. i've got to say, absolutely, say, you guys are absolutely, um, so many people are. um, divided. so many people are. kevin if you do away with kevin says if you do away with planning, essentially you're going states going to end up with the states looking um, going to end up with the states looki says um, going to end up with the states looki says should um, going to end up with the states looki says should always be matt says there should always be planning consent and an opportunity for neighbours to voice concerns. otherwise your neighbour essentially neighbour could make essentially make your house unsellable or lose . value john says. i'm lose. value john says. i'm appalled, um, and amazed at many planning approvals, but we definitely need them. we shouldn't have a free for all. um, yeah , you're really kind of um, yeah, you're really kind of divided. i've got to say. what have you got? uh neighbours that are an absolute pain in the behind that will do every single thing possible to try and stop you . um, just having basic you. um, just having basic extensions done to your property. everyone property. of course. everyone needs a right to essential light and all the rest of it, but sometimes neighbours can be an absolute they? absolute pin. can't they? wouldn't the wouldn't you welcome the opportunity to, um, opportunity to be able to, um, uh , turn your back on them and uh, turn your back on them and just you want ? just do whatever you want? >> that's the view you take until until you yourself are confronted with neighbours . who

confronted with neighbours. who want to do things you don't want to do, and then you become the pain. yeah, it's a simple failure to see that there are two question. two sides to every question. there oh, what have i started >> true. oh, what have i started with valentine's day, by the way? because now people are now writing in about you. i almost feel like syllables back. uh, matthew is a lovely guy. uh, says and thank says donna, and thank you. someone person. someone a lucky person. uh, a very valentine's. but very lovely valentine's. but martin says, if you want a valentine's , matthew, you've got valentine's, matthew, you've got to the top on your to undo the top button on your shirt. on my top button. >> he's messaged him before. my top button. oh, there you go. >> i dread to think. what's an immediate response? on it's very keen. >> it's very keen. >> it's very keen. >> pleaser. >> it's very keen. >> yeah. pleaser. >> it's very keen. >> yeah. ple fast >> it's very keen. >> yeah. plefast response >> yeah. very fast response there. to martin's suggestion, i dread gonna dread to think what's gonna happen the happen during the break. the rest are rest of your buttons are absolutely slightly absolutely fine, slightly like an you have button absolutely fine, slightly like an and you have button absolutely fine, slightly like an and no you have button absolutely fine, slightly like an and no tie have button absolutely fine, slightly like an and no tie coolblue button up and no tie coolblue jaime. >> mind politics and, uh, >> never mind politics and, uh, defence. you're real defence. you're making me real debate man debate is whether or not a man should all debate is whether or not a man sho way all debate is whether or not a man sho way right all debate is whether or not a man sho way right to all debate is whether or not a man sho way right to the all debate is whether or not a man sho way right to the very all debate is whether or not a man sho way right to the very top. the way right to the very top. what do you reckon to that one who cover a wide who says we can't cover a wide range of things on this program here? after break, here? uh, after the break, i want you about lots want to talk to you about lots more things. be bringing

more things. i'll be bringing you conversation . of you into the conversation. of course. but i also want to course. uh, but i also want to talk to you about delivery drivers . they're on strike. the drivers. they're on strike. the gig economy. let's talk about that after the

break hello. there. i'm michelle dewberry with utiole seven, peter hitchens alongside me , as peter hitchens alongside me, as is matt la. so let's try and squeeze one more in before we bid you farewell, shall we? because of because tonight, thousands of delivery on delivery drivers are going on strike. long story short, this is all part of the gig economy. most of these people will be self—employed . they're saying self—employed. they're saying basically, that basically, they don't feel that they paying they get whether it's paying conditions that conditions at the level that they believe that they deserve them or do you make this gig economy good idea or not? >> good plenty >> well, it's good that plenty of people have work to do as a result not often result of it. it's not often very and it's very good work and it's obviously not very well paid work. these work. i sympathise with these people. that the freedom people. i think that the freedom to withdraw your labour one to withdraw your labour is one of of , of

of the key freedoms of, of a proper of a proper society, proper of a proper free society, and allowed to and they should be allowed to exercise it. and i wish them luck in getting a better living as a result. we all have to pay more for our deliveries. if as a result. but so what? you can't. you can't live by by hoping that other people will be paid too little. >> i mean viva la deliveroo drivers. i say they're mostly brazilians. these the particular action today. it's big lessons for the i mean i'm peter, you know a socialist utopia. we're going to have council estates proper, proper, proper proper paid work and remunerated, um , paid work and remunerated, um, we'll make a lefty of you or turn you to the left. yeah, but i mean, think the serious i mean, i think the serious thing, issue for thing, there's an issue here for the unions because the the trade unions because the mcdonald's went on strike and the bakers . union um, was trying the bakers. union um, was trying to organise young mcdonald's. workers, 16, 17 year olds work in mcdonald's. and, you know what they to do? they had what they had to do? they had to fill 13 forms to join the fill out 13 forms to join the bakers union. so i actually think something really bakers union. so i actually think about something really bakers union. so i actually think about people hing really bakers union. so i actually think about people orig really bakers union. so i actually think about people or selfally great about people or self organising, uh, putting their demands luck demands out there. and good luck to them as the modern trade unions, was unions, when i was, when i was industrial back industrial correspondent back in

the the trade the 70s and the 80s, the trade unions were proper organisations which which organised for workers . workers. >> em- >> now they've become huge, great groups for great pressure groups for government policy. and they're utterly uninterested in this kind . and they've left kind of thing. and they've left everything to legislation and, and human relations departments. they've forgotten how how to be union. >> yeah, i think there was an issue about they've forgotten how to recruit in the private sector with new areas of work. they good on the they don't know how good on the delivery drivers. >> organisations delivery drivers. >> spring organisations delivery drivers. >> spring ora|nisations delivery drivers. >> spring ora result,ns delivery drivers. >> spring ora result, but delivery drivers. >thinkyring ora result, but delivery drivers. >think it's| ora result, but delivery drivers. >think it's| vital a result, but delivery drivers. >think it's| vital freedom but delivery drivers. >think it's| vital freedom for i think it's a vital freedom for people to have. and i will never stand against mean, stand against it. i mean, obviously it obviously there are limits to it . i've, i've said, for . i've, i've always said, for instance, nurses as an instance, that nurses just as an example, should never go on strike. people who strike. but there are people who who other hand, it's any who on the other hand, it's any sensible employer should, should arrange things so that strikes are very rare. >> yeah, exactly. it's sign of >> yeah, exactly. it's a sign of a if there's strike. >> well, let me know what you usually. yeah. >> my colleagues. i shall >> one of my colleagues. i shall keep him nameless. don't want keep him nameless. i don't want to embarrass him. he was telling me today, me about this story today, and he at he was saying he's appalled at how get how little these drivers get paid, pointed it out to him paid, so i pointed it out to him that apps, there's an

that on these apps, there's an opfion that on these apps, there's an option to be able to tip these drivers as it goes directly to them. asked him, well, do them. and i asked him, well, do you ever do that? then if you think your driver is so badly paid, his wages paid, do you bolster his wages then? can guess what then? uh, but you can guess what then? uh, but you can guess what the answer was the answer to that was an absolute the answer to that was an abs bute lot the answer to that was an absbute lot of people do. on >> but a lot of people do. on the other well, isn't the other hand. well, it isn't universally. i mean, there are a lot of people who want other people higher taxes and people to pay higher taxes and other people to pay higher prices. but a lot of people do, given and given the chance. and i think most people they found most people would if they found the gone up to pay most people would if they found the people gone up to pay most people would if they found the people better up to pay most people would if they found the people better would pay most people would if they found the people better would say , these people better would say, okay, it's not actually as if you have to order food by deliveroo. >> no, but i, i'm a, i'm a little bit this whole tip. >> do you tip though michel. well i think this tipping it's gotten bit of control. >> if you go bar these days >> if you go to a bar these days and a drink, you're and you buy a drink, you're walking to the bar. i'm ordering from you. all you're doing is passing it and there's tip and passing it and there's a tip and i'm don't think so. i'm like, i don't think so. >> i one of the key things i'm like, i don't think so. >:about one of the key things i'm like, i don't think so. >:about 0 minimum (ey things i'm like, i don't think so. >:about 0 minimum (ey lhiiso is about the minimum wage. so the they're the drivers are saying they're not they're not not getting the they're not getting the getting what's now called the national living wage. um, whereas in a bar, obviously everybody should be paid that before before tips so that you just don't get america. yeah. >> but you know what? employers just staff properly.

just pay your staff properly. why should customers have to fund your greed your profit fund your greed and your profit margin? pay staff margin? just pay your staff anyway. look lots of people getting lisa is. i've getting in touch. lisa is. i've never heard anything so absurd in my life taxpayer money in all my life as taxpayer money getting spent on tiktok , stars getting spent on tiktok, stars stopping if that is the most absurd thing you've ever heard in your life. >> not the biggest waste of government money. >> where >> i don't know where you've been can you been because i can tell you there's lot more things there's a lot more absurd things than else than that going on. um, who else is ? nick has said, is this? nick has said, uh, outrage rageous selfish attitude to planning. you have got michelle. uh, i was only playing devil's advocate. i was just asking. what about if you didn't like i'm not like your neighbours? i'm not saying . i'm saying it related to me. i'm just putting out there. just putting it out there. everybody uh, charles says i absolutely you watch absolutely love you and watch you michelle. but you every night, michelle. but please, bare ever please, no more bare arms ever again. arms, again. they're only arms, charles. come on now. >> got a great >> i think you've got a great valentine's. look, ken, lots of people about your top button. >> martin's been back in touch. he says, thank you very much . he says, thank you very much. um, it's made, but if someone if someone tweets in and says, can you do it up again, will you do it up again? >> god. >> oh, god.

>> we need a poll. >> we need a poll. >> um , ken has said, michelle, >> um, ken has said, michelle, can you make my valentine's night and give me a wink? >> no, i cannot ken, this is not only fans. thank you very much. um someone's been on um someone's been in touch on twitter saying, um, peter hitchens when you when his smile, when he gave him your chocolate, was perfection, chocolate, it was perfection, says phil . says phil. >> that would have done well on tiktok. >> phil. anyway look, that's all i've got time for so much. go anywhere going, actually. i've got time for so much. go an)out,re going, actually. i've got time for so much. go anyout, enjoy going, actually. i've got time for so much. go anyout, enjoy your], actually. i've got time for so much. go anyout, enjoy your valentine's go out, enjoy your valentine's night. nigel is next night. nigel farage is up next tonight . tonight. >> a brighter. tonight. >> a brighter . outlook with boxt >> a brighter. outlook with boxt solar, sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. good evening. >> welcome to your latest gb news weather update with me, annie, from the met office . annie, from the met office. there will be further rain to come for many of us come on thursday. for many of us it another and it will be another mild and cloudy day as well. we've got very mild air that's moved up from south and that will be from the south and that will be pushing north the pushing north through the evening, bringing many of us another night tonight. another mild night tonight. however, still a lot of however, there's still a lot of rain from the south and

rain to come from the south and west as well. that rain will push across parts of northern ireland. many areas of wales, northern england and then it will across northern will persist across northern many areas scotland many areas of scotland throughout thursday morning. further south of that, across more central and southern areas of england. drier by of england. it will be drier by the morning, but there'll still be rain and some be some drizzly rain and some low the hills and low cloud across the hills and across the coast as well. so another murky start to day, another murky start to the day, but very mild start. the but another very mild start. the rain persistent rain will turn quite persistent through , particularly through thursday, particularly across scotland , across southwestern scotland, but also in the afternoon across south wales, as well as the parts of the southwest of england too. there's rain warnings in force here, so there could travel disruption warnings in force here, so there coulwater travel disruption warnings in force here, so there coulwater theavel disruption warnings in force here, so there coulwater the roadsisruption warnings in force here, so there coulwater the roads iantion warnings in force here, so there coulwater the roads in these and water on the roads in these areas , the south east, areas, the south and east, though, escape the rain though, we escape the rain through much day it through much of the day and it will mild day, could will be a very mild day, could reach 17 degrees we do get reach 17 degrees if we do get any sunshine. the rain clears to the east through morning, the east through friday morning, leaving many of us a much leaving many of us with a much dner leaving many of us with a much drier and better day. some sunny spells, particularly for more central areas of england and wales, and temperatures climbing towards 15 or 16 degrees once again . staying mild on the

again. staying mild on the weekend. however there is some further rain to come, particularly through saturday night sunday. that's night and into sunday. that's all now. you later . all for now. see you later. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler dollars.

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