t0 the tories now need to the tories now need a new leader also as well. what do you make to the reform party's results? and goodness me, did you see the turnout ? 62 and 63% you see the turnout? 62 and 63% of people didn't even bother to come out and vote. so do we need compulsory voting in this country or not? and is it your human rights to go on a holiday? a debate has broken out now over a disabled man who has saved up payments intended to pay for his care, and he wants to spend the cash on a trip to florida. long story short, the council are

having none of it and have taken the money back. what do you make to that? and should foreign governments be able to essentially earn the british media? i'm asking, of course, in relation the abu dhabi backed relation to the abu dhabi backed bid the telegraph and the bid for the telegraph and the spectator . and last but not spectator. and last but not least, let's face it , we know least, let's face it, we know now church attendance is now that church attendance is low. do we do about it low. but what do we do about it now? some churches are hosting alcohol fuelled discos. is that alcohol fuelled discos. is that a good idea or a basic insult to the faith? you tell me . yes, the faith? you tell me. yes, indeed. i've got all of that to come and more in the next hour. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live for tonight's latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> michelle. thank you. good evening from the gb newsroom. it's just gone 6:00 leading the news tonight boris johnson has said the death of alexei navalny has plunged russia into new depths of depravity , as he depths of depravity, as he accused vladimir putin of

putting him to death. his comments come as the opposition leader's wife, ulyana varne, told the munich security conference the death of her husband will not go unpunished. other international leaders, including vladimir zelenskyy, have also laid blame on russia for mr navalny's death. well, in the last few minutes , president the last few minutes, president joe biden has been speaking and echoed those claims, saying he was surprised outraged . was not surprised but outraged. >> make no mistake . make no >> make no mistake. make no mistake, putin is responsible for navalny's death . putin is for navalny's death. putin is responsible . what has happened responsible. what has happened to navalny is yet more proof of putin's brutality. no one should be fooled. not in russia, not at home, not anywhere in the world. putin does not only target his citizens of other countries . as citizens of other countries. as we've seen what's going on in ukraine right now. he also inflicts terrible crimes on his own people in other news, two men have been arrested today, one on suspicion of people smuggling and the other for entering the uk illegally. >> that's after a group of

migrants were found earlier in the back of a freezer lorry in newhaven. six people have since been taken to hospital. no fatalities have been reported so far. we understand the discovery at the east sussex port this morning sparked a major emergency response, with ambulances and police in attendance. border force are still at that scene, continuing their investigations. mp for lewes maria caulfield, whose constituency office is in newhaven, told gb news that people smugglers are looking for other ways now into the uk. >> there have been problems in the past before the small boats were crossing where the migrants used to try and board the ferry. if you were kind of boarding in dieppe, you would see the authorities are extremely strict there. they check all the lorries , they check the ferry lorries, they check the ferry itself. i've seen itself. we have, i've seen personally people and personally seen people try and board in past and board the ferry in the past and they've never been successful . they've never been successful. so we are worried that this has happened. but it shows because the government is cracking down on boats. these people on the small boats. these people smugglers are looking for alternative such as the

alternative routes such as the newhaven try and get newhaven ferry, to try and get people country . people into the country. >> political news and as you will have heard, two damaging by—election defeats have piled more pressure on the prime minister. overnight jen kitchen snatched wellingborough with just over 45% of the vote. that's the second largest by—election swing from conservatives to labour since the second world war, and that result came just two hours after labour's damian egan also won in kingswood with just under 45% of the vote. labour leader sir keir starmer says the double win is evidence that his party is. he says, a government in waiting . says, a government in waiting. but rishi sunak has insisted they don't have a plan. >> midterms by elections are always difficult for incumbent governments and the circumstances these by circumstances of these by elections were, of course, particularly challenging. now i think if you look at the results very low turnout and it shows that we've got work to do to show people that we are delivering on their priorities. and that's i'm absolutely and that's what i'm absolutely determined shows determined to do, but also shows that isn't a huge amount that there isn't a huge amount of enthusiasm for the

alternative in keir starmer and the and that's the labour party. and that's because have a plan. because they don't have a plan. and have a plan, and if you don't have a plan, you deliver real change. you can't deliver real change. and when general election and when the general election comes, that's the message i'll be country. stick be making to the country. stick with is with our plan because it is starting to deliver the change that wants and needs that the country wants and needs and politics. and staying with politics. >> just published >> labour have just published a summary sir keir starmer's summary of sir keir starmer's tax showing he paid just over tax is showing he paid just over £99,000 in uk tax last year . £99,000 in uk tax last year. that amount includes tax paid on the sale of land that he owned , the sale of land that he owned, partly with his father's estate , partly with his father's estate, earning sir keir 7000 £275,000. it's in contrast with rishi sunak, who revealed that he paid just over £500,000 in tax last yean just over £500,000 in tax last year, with a total income of 2.2 million. and finally , prince million. and finally, prince harry has suggested that the king's cancer diagnosis could lead to a reconciliation in his family. speaking to good morning america in the us, the duke of sussex said that he loved his father and he was grateful to have spent time with him during a fleeting visit to london last

week. but he told abc news correspondent will reeve the conversations he's had with his father about his health will remain private . remain private. >> but i jumped on a plane and went to go and see him as soon as i could. >> how was that visit for you emotionally? >> um, look, i, i love i love my family. the fact that i was the fact that i was able to get on a plane and go and see him and spend any time with him, i'm grateful for that. what of grateful for that. what sort of your his health your outlook on on his health that stays between me and him? an the family can an illness in the family can have a galvanising or sort of re—unified effect for a family. >> possible in this >> is that possible in this case? sure i mean, you case? yeah, i'm sure i mean, you know, throughout these know, i've throughout all these families, i see it on a, on a day to day basis. >> it's those are the headlines to across latest to stay across all the latest stories you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code screen. code on your screen. >> of course you to gb >> or of course you can go to gb news. com forward slash alerts . news. com forward slash alerts. thanks very much for that and

happy friday to everybody. >> we did it. we're almost towards the end of another working week there flying by at the moment aren't they. anyway michelle dewberry with till michelle dewberry with you till seven company. i've seven keeping me company. i've got former leader of ukip, seven keeping me company. i've got bolton,�* leader of ukip, seven keeping me company. i've got bolton, and der of ukip, seven keeping me company. i've got bolton, and the of ukip, seven keeping me company. i've got bolton, and the political henry bolton, and the political commentator good commentatorjoe phillips. good evening both you. and you evening to both of you. and you know the drill, don't you, on this it's not just this programme, it's not just about it's much about about us. it's very much about you well. so what's on you guys as well. so what's on your mind tonight? you can get in all the usual ways. in touch all the usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com. can vaiews@gbnews.com. or you can tweet gb news. now. of tweet me at gb news. now. of course. what else can i open the show on? everybody apart from the we had one, but two the fact we had not one, but two by of course, taking by elections. of course, taking place night and i suspect place last night and i suspect i don't think i'm going to spoil it for you. i suspect you already know that the tories took an absolute kicking at both of of course , i'm talking of them. of course, i'm talking about and king's about wellingborough and king's wood. i've got to say labour, of course, won both of these seats, but there's so much i want to unpick with tonight, much unpick with you tonight, so much i get into whether it's i want to get into whether it's the turnout. did you see it 62 and 63% of people basically staying at home. so i want to

explore that. was it the massive labour everyone says? explore that. was it the massive lab0l about everyone says? explore that. was it the massive lab0l about reform? yone says? explore that. was it the massive lab0l about reform? as1e says? explore that. was it the massive lab0l about reform? as well? 5? explore that. was it the massive lab0l about reform? as well? how what about reform? as well? how did they do did that better or worse? do you think than you imagined ? and time that we imagined? and is it time that we have a new tory leader or not? but let's look then, shall we, at how labour reacted to their win last night. at how labour reacted to their win last night . at. wow, wow . win last night. at. wow, wow. >> you know what a result i think of all the elections in our isles . long history. this is our isles. long history. this is a second biggest, uh, swing that's ever been. so we were feeling increasingly upbeat as the campaign went on. but i never saw that sort of victory coming. i mean, we're just blown away. >> henry, i'll start with you . >> henry, i'll start with you. what did you make? um. to the election? i mean, i we'll be putting the results up on the screen as well. we will recap everybody's memory. uh, but what was kind of key takeaway was your kind of key takeaway from the of last night? from the events of last night? early of this morning? early hours of this morning? >> disagree, labour >> well, i disagree, labour didn't win it. the conservatives lost it. right. both of them.

and much , much and there was a much, much smaller turnout, lower turnout than in 2019. and my takeaway from this is that there are a whole lot of tens of thousands of people out there who are who are politically homeless. they don't see they don't want to vote conservative at the moment. they don't see any reason to, but they don't want to vote for anybody now anybody else either. now i think, you the takeaway think, you know, the takeaway here is that between now and the general election, if you replicate that across all constituencies is constituencies, his there is a very large group of people who are their votes are there to be won. and by any party if, if they meet some some if they provide a vision and a plan for the country that's convincing and actually stands out in terms of leadership above what the party all the parties are presently offering labour did not do any better in these by elections than they did in the elections than they did in the election in 2019. the conservatives did far worse and i think on reform , um, i think i think on reform, um, i think they did as pretty much as predicted. um and actually will

we've demonstrated this they've demonstrated during these two by elections that they will enable a greater victory by labour in the next general election, if indeed nothing else. changes in british politics in the meantime, joe phillips, what do you think? >> well, i slightly agree with henry, actually, to a certain extent that, you know, the results were not a surprise us. and the next general election, whenever it comes, is labour's to lose . and i think it's really to lose. and i think it's really important to remember that although we're talking about a swing, it wasn't so much a swing to labour as a swing away from the conservative party that figure of 13,000 odd votes , um, figure of 13,000 odd votes, um, in wellingborough, i think is not very different to what it was in 2019 at the last election. but if you've only got a 3,031% turnout at that shows you you've got a fair, you had a 38 and a 37. >> so it's minuscule . >> so it's minuscule. >> so it's minuscule. >> yeah, it's tiny , tiny, tiny. >> yeah, it's tiny, tiny, tiny. um, but you know, that is often

the case with by elections. the kingswood seat is going to be, um, abolished under the new boundary changes come the next election. so whoever had won is only going to be an mp for a matter of months. um, so i think, you know, there are there are several takeaways. one is that labour have still got work to do to persuade the people who didn't come out to actually vote for them, as opposed to voting against the conservatives and i think reform is interesting because they've not the lib dems and the greens, you know, way down the list . um, and i suspect down the list. um, and i suspect that there will be calls from reform , as there have been from reform, as there have been from other parties over the years for proportional representation, because i think people really need to feel that their vote counts . yes. and if you're counts. yes. and if you're voting , um, counts. yes. and if you're voting, um, and you're, you know, you've got 10% of the vote or 15% of the vote or whatever it is, whether you're green, lib dem, snp , polite country, dem, snp, polite country, whatever people have really got to feel that their vote counts

because otherwise it's not going to happen. >> though this, um, you're not going another referendum, going to get another referendum, are because to pass that are you? because to pass that basically or whoever it's basically labour or whoever it's going to be that wins the next election, they're to election, they're going to have to okay, we'll allow to go, okay, guys, we'll allow a referendum this. but they're referendum on this. but they're going victims of it. going to be the victims of it. well, would turkeys well, it's like would be turkeys voting christmas basically voting for christmas basically have actually now said, although they wouldn't put it in a manifesto, come round manifesto, they have come round to i my own view is come >> i mean, my own view is come off if were serious about >> if they were serious about it, why would you not put it in your then? they your manifesto then? well, they haven't written their manifesto yet. haven't written their manifesto yet do you think it would be in >> do you think it would be in that manifesto? >> fact, i'm >> no. in fact, actually, i'm saying would be their saying would it be in their manifesto? manifestos about manifesto? manifestos are about as as i don't know what as much use as i don't know what chocolate don't chocolate fireguard people don't stick to in anyway. stick to what's in them anyway. i who reads them i mean, you know who reads them apart from political geeks? >> nobody particularly. >> nobody particularly. >> the problem, the >> it's part of the problem, the manifestos, and manifestos, because the man. and part that the part of the reason that the pubuc part of the reason that the public longer trust public no longer trust politicians, they are asked to vote a for a political party vote for a for a political party on of a manifesto on the basis of a manifesto which they up until, well, they've kept being optimistic. the electorate the the electorate hoping that the manifesto is actually a plan for

government. it government. but actually then it gets much abandoned the gets pretty much abandoned the moment party into power. gets pretty much abandoned the mis. ent party into power. gets pretty much abandoned the mis. and party into power. gets pretty much abandoned the mis. and those' into power. gets pretty much abandoned the mis. and those parties into power. gets pretty much abandoned the mis. and those parties that,power. it is. and those parties that, such as who actually, such as reform, who actually, let's frank , is never let's be frank, is are never going form government, going to form the government, certainly the next certainly not after the next general election their general election. their manifesto. easy to say manifesto. it's very easy to say we would do this, this, this and this and make it very appealing without having the responsibility of actually having deliver. i heard having to deliver. i heard a tory mp at lunchtime saying, well, know, got the well, you know, we've got the message the by elections message from the by elections and we're really going do , and we're really going to do, you we're going to see you know, we're going to see changes things. changes to fix things. >> and you think had 14 >> and you think you've had 14 years, know, it shouldn't years, as you know, it shouldn't take these two by elections. on top of all the by top of all the other by elections that they've lost , to elections that they've lost, to actually get on with the job that they're supposed to be doing. think they're done for. alan. >> one of my viewers, alan, says, i just say, uh, ben says, can i just say, uh, ben habib about did habib is talking about did really view really well, in his view in wellingborough. long the wellingborough. long live the reform well, reform party. he says, well, let's have listen , uh, to ben let's have a listen, uh, to ben habib. he was reflecting after the vote. listen what i would have liked is to win. >> by the way, i'm not tired at all. tip top, top of the

all. i'm tip top, top of the pops. said, we've done pops. as i said, we've done really know, look at really well, you know, look at reform. reform is an insurgency. it's a new business, isn't it? we started three years ago. three months ago, we did in three months ago, we did 5% in tamworth, slightly less than that in mid bedfordshire. today we've done 10% kingswood we've done 10% in kingswood where people saying were where people were saying we were going our deposit. we've going to lose our deposit. we've done 13% here, which more done 13% here, which is more than our national polling. this is in growth is a staging post in the growth of reform uk's recognition in the growth of peoples understanding of what we for stand and i mean, you've got to admire his energy. >> i dread to think what time of the day that was, or early hours or early morning. but yeah, he was full of beans. uh, that is of course, ben habib or the housewives favourite, as i like to call him. when he's on this programme. to call him. when he's on this pro we nme. to call him. when he's on this pro wenme. him. don't we, michelle? >> well, yeah, but them's the rules. can't have people >> well, yeah, but them's the rulerare can't have people >> well, yeah, but them's the rulerare campaigning people >> well, yeah, but them's the rulerare campaigning inople that are campaigning in a by—election screen. i've by—election on the screen. i've got to say as well, a lot of people are saying actually, that the didn't do as badly as the tories didn't do as badly as some had expected. some people were saying that actually they really to be kind of

really were going to be kind of knocked the but knocked out of the park. but actually wellingborough, they actually in wellingborough, they got kingswood, got 25% of the votes. kingswood, 35% of the votes. not to be sniffed 35% of the votes. not to be sni1 i 5d 35% of the votes. not to be sniii don't that the >> i don't see that the conservatives could have done any worse, to be quite honest. except that, uh, those tory except that, uh, had those tory 2019 tory voters voted for reform, which they didn't or not, not most of them stayed at home and actually, i'm going to disagree with ben. ben fought a by—election in actually was probably the best option available for reform . he was on available for reform. he was on good ground, very firm ground, uh, for gaining a vote. um, he said it's above the national average, but yes, that's to be expected from a constituency that was a very, very staunch brexit constituency. and it's not quite true. and i don't mean to diss reform, but let's talk about the reality of it. reform is an evolution. it's come out of the brexit party. the brexit party came out of ukip. there has been a constituency there, if you like, of support for the sort of politics that ukip used

to deliver. i'm not saying they do now because they don't. that the brexit party delivered and, and now reform. um, so there is and now reform. um, so there is a continuity there. they've changed their names, they've changed their names, they've changed their names, they've changed their personnel, changed some of their personnel, but essentially they've but actually essentially they've got support base. and got the same support base. and i think that support, they're going to have great deal of going to have a great deal of difficulty building that difficulty in building that support further um, and support base. further um, and i think we will see in the general election not a big shift to reform any further than we've seen in these by elections, but a continuation of the conservatives not turning out, uh, we will see a low turnout unless the conservatives and i do think there is an opportunity for them to change course . there for them to change course. there is. will they? i doubt it very much. could they? yes, 100. they could. would that involve changing the captain of the ship? uh probably. time is very short, so i don't think they will do it. but i think they could do it. >> would not put up with that. i mean, it would be utterly pop with what having another change of leader. >> but they're on. they're on course hit bloody great

course to hit a bloody great iceberg the moment. yeah iceberg at the moment. yeah captain ship refuses to captain of the ship refuses to change course. >> they have. >> they have. >> what they do? they >> so what do they do? they either go full steam into that iceberg. well, or they try to change course. that change course. and if that requires a change captain, requires a change of captain, you've got to remove the captain requires a change of captain, yo change to remove the captain requires a change of captain, yo change course.ove the captain requires a change of captain, yo change course. then.e captain requires a change of captain, yo change course. then. thentain to change course. then. then then maybe what you know then that maybe is what you know as well as do. then that maybe is what you know as 'henry, do.the weekend, the >> henry, over the weekend, the papers full of analysis. papers will be full of analysis. they'll be picking the they'll be picking over the bones elections . bones of these elections. they'll be all those they'll be asking all of those questions talking they'll be asking all of those questi tonight. talking they'll be asking all of those questitonight. but talking they'll be asking all of those questi tonight. but youlking they'll be asking all of those questi tonight. but you know, the about tonight. but you know, the what the tory party has done since the beginning of brexit, if you like, and ukip before that was was they have moved further and further to the right. now, you know whether the tory party splits and those who are to the further of the right join reform which may happen, may whether the may not happen. and whether the rump of the tory party goes back to its sort of older , more to its sort of older, more patrician values , if you like, patrician values, if you like, more centre ground because there are a lot of conservative voters , um, particularly the sort of not older people, but sort of middle aged people who can see

that their kids can't get on the housing ladder. they know they can't get dental appointments, they know that the fabric and they know that the fabric and the infrastructure of the country broken. indeed who country is broken. indeed who are conservative voters are not the conservative voters who would necessarily go for the miriam cates or the suella braverman? who are the siren voices of the right? >> i'm going to disagree with you joe, because only you slightly, joe, because only when we, um, when we when we say that the conservative party has moved right in what time frame? because if you take the david cameron era. absolutely it's moved further. right. but david cameron was very firmly on the centre ground. and actually, i think if you go back to the more traditional conservative party of the 20s, the 30s, so you're actually talking about a conservative party that was putting britain first, putting british interests in the interests of british people interests of the british people first. ascendancy first. it's about the ascendancy of great in the world. of great britain in the world. um, was about still um, it was about actually still at that time. it was about bringing the working class into it. if you think you know the old, old school, i'm going back

many, many years now. um, many, many, many years now. um, working actually working class were actually largely conservative voters. um, so because they, they saw that they wanted to be proud, patriotic brits. so the conservative party has moved, moved from there to the centre ground. and i think now there is an effort to pull it back. tony blair, very effectively moved labour onto the centre ground. david cameron was quite open about his admiration for tony blair moved the conservative party to that centre ground as well . so there are still well. so there are still conservatives who are on. they call themselves the moderates. i don't agree with that phrase at all. they are the centrists. they're the liberals within the conservative who argue conservative party who argue that the only an that the only way to win an election is to go for the centre ground. well everybody is fighting ground, fighting for the centre ground, the or the people the disinfo people or the people who don't have a voice are the people who are saying, yes, we can't. can't get housing can't. we can't get housing because there's a massive problem with immigration. we need immigration. need to stop the immigration. we need to stop the immigration. we need firm need to bring back firm policing. we to bring back policing. we need to bring back efficient justice. we need to sort our prisons out. we need to

sort our prisons out. we need to sort education out sort our education system out and don't see the and we don't see the conservatives delivering all that. it's the woke agenda that's produced. that's being produced. >> well, woke agenda is just a phrase. is utterly phrase. it is utterly meaningless . what actually meaningless. what we actually need investment in public need is investment in public services. and for 14 years we've had no investment. and that's why of what we expect why so much of what we expect and what we pay taxes for is completely and utterly broken. >> why do you say that? the work agendais >> why do you say that? the work agenda is not a thing? >> uh, i think it's just a it's just a it's a very easy way to criticise anything in any body who to think that, you who seems to think that, you know, we can move on. perhaps we could move on from not you and i going into a garage and not having to see a topless woman behind a packet of peanuts on a calendar? >> no, but i think it would. i think there'd be a lot of people out there watching or listening to this. perhaps absolutely. does think is a work does think that there is a work agenda on. would agenda going on. they would point to actual things point to actual tangible things they would say, for example, um, all these of this all of these kind of this obsession with diversity , not to obsession with diversity, not to the point of kind of, um, equal

opportunity because i completely agree with that. everyone should get access to the same opportunities should be opportunities and should be treated fairly and respectfully with and the of with dignity and all the rest of it. would argue about it. but people would argue about engineered of engineered, um, equality of outcome . that's not necessarily outcome. that's not necessarily always the right thing . um, always the right thing. um, people would talk about this whole that to have whole notion that seems to have just crept in without challenge into discourse and into educational settings that men, biological men, can become biological men, can become biological women, that just seems to i don't know how that's even. we've got to the point where laughed at. where that is not laughed at. actually, quite frankly, is not true. actually, quite frankly, is not tru> there are some things. and you're right, michel, there are some things that are absolutely extreme, are some extreme, and there are some companies and organisations that have manipulated , have milk it and manipulated, uh, diversity uh, things like diversity without stopping to think about it. but if you think about something like mental for health instance, um, you know, lots of people poo poo. the idea people will poo poo. the idea that we shouldn't be to talking men about mental health. 600 people who work in the construction industry committed

suicide last year. >> yeah, well, actually, suicide is the biggest, um, cause of death, i think, for men . is it death, i think, for men. is it under 50? is that the stat now? but i know it's a huge figure, isn't it? anyway uh, lots that i want to talk to you about. someone just got in touch with me and said, what about compulsory need to do me and said, what about compaustralia need to do me and said, what about compaustralia do. need to do me and said, what about compaustralia do. i need to do me and said, what about compaustralia do. i will.eed to do me and said, what about compaustralia do. i will. she's do what australia do. i will. she's absolutely. i'll explore that after the break. but also i want to ask, uh, a holiday a basic to ask, uh, is a holiday a basic human rights? i'm asking because a has his a disabled man has put his direct away for at direct payments away for at least part of them to fund a trip to florida. long story short, council's having none short, the council's having none of

they state it earlier on gb news radio . radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you until 7:00 tonight. joe phillips and henry bolton remain alongside me just before the break. they're one of my viewers was writing in frank, actually to say the low turnout on these by elections demonstrates we need the same as australia . basically, compulsory australia. basically, compulsory voting . joe shapps in to say yes

voting. joe shapps in to say yes , i agree. tell me why. um, because i think democracy is really important and i think all people have every right to say, oh, i'm not interested. >> i don't care. we too many people have fought and died and campaigned too hard for us to have democracy in this country. we need to take it seriously. it should be compulsory, just like it isn't a key. >> isn't a key. well, actually, let me ask you what you think. >> still go. you can still go out and turn up and say none of the above. nobody's saying you have to vote for a party, but you should take your part in it. >> do you think? >> what do you think? >> what do you think? >> i think that, no, not at the moment. because at moment moment. because at the moment i don't we've and don't think we've we've and i don't think we've we've and i don't this in a patronising don't mean this in a patronising sense, but most people have lost interest in politics. don't interest in politics. they don't get politics get taught much about politics or government and the or indeed how government and the administration of the country or or their local district functions. works . so they functions. how it works. so they don't even know when somebody says, abolish the says, well, let's abolish the house don't even house of lords. they don't even know what the house of lords does. and that's not their fault. our as a nation,

fault. that's our as a nation, we have helped we have not helped our population to understand what the issues are. they don't really understand the difference between communism between socialism and communism and liberalism conservatism and liberalism and conservatism and liberalism and conservatism and on. and i think we need and so on. and i think we need to build that up. and then i think actually people might engage a little more. and think actually people might engait'sa little more. and think actually people might engait's about more. and think actually people might engait's about the more. and think actually people might engait's about the qualityrnd also it's about the quality of politicians if we put out politicians if we don't put out people of quality in front of the electorate to be voted , the electorate to be voted, voted for, then um , you're voted for, then um, you're right, joe, you know , you have right, joe, you know, you have the option of not voting, but i think there is a responsibility hs2 think there is a responsibility hsz that think there is a responsibility hs2 that a duty placed upon political parties that they fail to live up to, which is to provide candidates of quality. >> you've got people who are not interested, who are not coming through stand as candidates. through to stand as candidates. i say, i have a book i have to say, i have a book coming out at the end the coming out at the end of the month called vote? which month called why vote? which explains and aimed explains all of this and aimed at people. at those people. >> were plugging me >> you were plugging it to me earlier, i know, but i mean, you know, i completely agree about education the rest of it. >> but if younger people all and

i don't mean year olds i don't mean 18 year olds necessarily, but people under 45 voted same number as voted in the same number as people over we would be people over 65. we would be living a very different living in a very different country . country. >> couldn't disagree with >> and i couldn't disagree with you this whole you more if i tried this whole nofion you more if i tried this whole notion that politics in the politicians and politics in this country is so bad that the way we're going to get people to engage with it is literally like some kind of weirdo dictatorship. to dictatorship. we're going to force them. i that force them. i think that completely goes against the whole thing of democracy the way you would like to have it. a free society, of choice free society, freedom of choice and all the rest of you and all the rest of it. you don't someone me who don't force someone like me who you i'm sitting here you know, i'm sitting here thinking, am i going to bother you know, i'm sitting here thinkingl am i going to bother you know, i'm sitting here thinkingl don't going to bother you know, i'm sitting here thinkingl don't know to bother you know, i'm sitting here thinkingl don't know whatther you know, i'm sitting here thinkingl don't know what her voting? i don't know what i don't i don't know, i feel don't know, i don't know, i feel very disengaged. you don't force someone like me by getting a massive stick and whacking me along backside. that's massive stick and whacking me alorwhat backside. that's massive stick and whacking me alorwhat you:kside. that's massive stick and whacking me alorwhat you do. ie. that's not what you do. >> you can go. how would >> but you can go. how would you? none of the above. what would be? would the punishment be? >> if someone like me in your system. so if you've got compulsory someone compulsory voting and someone like said actually you're all like me said actually you're all terrible or you're too, but terrible or you're all too, but you even have to you can, you don't even have to go your michelle.

go out of your house, michelle. >> do it. you can. >> you can do it. you can. >> yeah, but that's not my question. my question is, what would do? would you do? >> what's your punishment going to be? >> em- em— w don't know what >> well, i don't know what the punishment free society punishment in this free society in i don't know, in which i live, i don't know, i think we should encourage people know, let her answer rather know, but let her answer rather than force she. >> i want to ask her. i want her to answer. >> don't what >> i don't know what the punishment be or should be. >> well, how can you propose compulsory voting without knowing enforce knowing how you'd enforce it? >> got at the moment, >> what we've got at the moment, we've a government has we've had a government that has introduced legislation to make it to vote by it harder for people to vote by bringing the id oh, bringing in the photo id oh, come off it, you can anyone can access id for free. access this photo id for free. >> you're that engaged in >> if you're that engaged in politics think that your politics and you think that your blocker id, blocker is not having this id, it's free easy to access. it's free and easy to access. >> why did they bring it in there was no need to stop voter fraud. >> it's happened once. no, it's happened once. that we know of the definition fraud. the whole definition of fraud. if successful, wouldn't if it's successful, you wouldn't really know it's happening. >> person has ever >> and only one person has ever been. there's only been one case of it. >> well, there's one that's >> well, there's only one that's been don't know been discovered. i don't know any of any other

any other things of any other crimes, etc, that on the crimes, etc, that go on the bafis crimes, etc, that go on the basis of, you know, this only happens because we've only got two so it's only two convictions, so it's only ever twice. a of ever happened twice. a lot of things go undetected. undetected ever happened twice. a lot of things country. :ected. undetected ever happened twice. a lot of things country. :ecte�*i undetected ever happened twice. a lot of things country. :ecte�*i suspect:ted in this country. and i suspect that personation that virtually personation is one look, we can one of them. look, we can disagree subject. you disagree on this subject. you guys will have strong guys at home will have strong opinions, and anyone that's in joe's camp who absolutely joe's camp who thinks absolutely make it compelling for them. you can't that me. can't just say that to me. you've got to tell me how you're going to enforce it. then you can't just have half a plan. what are you going to to folk what are you going to do to folk like me? what are you going to drag and force drag me by my ear and force a pencil into my hand? what are you going do, dock my wages? you going to do, dock my wages? you've me. how would you've got to tell me. how would you enforce your i'm you enforce your system? i'm fascinated that. fascinated to hear about that. and about systems, and speaking about systems, there's been a big debate today because, disabled he because, uh, a disabled man, he was £11,000 in month, was receiving £11,000 in month, essentially to fund round the clock that he uh, clock care that he needs. he uh, over a period of time has been saving up some of this money. he's savings. bad of he's got savings. not bad of about long story about £50,000 now. long story short. wanted to go on holiday to florida. not just him , but to florida. not just him, but two of his carers . the council two of his carers. the council

got wind of this. i think . got wind of this. i think. actually he was mentioning it to one of these, uh, social worker, uh, people that were engaged with him. the council then took the money off him said that the money off him and said that he use this money for he couldn't use this money for this holiday to florida. anyway, he's do fund me he's trying to do a go fund me now. a lot of people are chipping in. they want to help him get his holiday. this him get his holiday. but this premise not you premise about whether or not you should be able to take your care payments, essentially, and save them put on holiday, them up and put them on holiday, holiday. that, holiday. do you agree with that, henry? it's a this is tricky one. >> look, part of the funding for these for people like this gentleman it provides for gentleman are it provides for going to cafes, going to cinemas, to pubs is this cinemas, going to pubs is this sort of thing. um so it's actually quite a good system . actually quite a good system. it's tricky. what if the person doesn't want go to the pub or doesn't want to go to the pub or doesn't want to go to the pub or doesn't drink tea or coffee? does mean don't get does that mean they don't get the to spend that the opportunity to spend that money on something so money on something else? so there is that question. then. the other thing that the the other thing is that the council, i understand it in council, as i understand it in this particular case, have have said, we will said, look, actually we will fund care for you if you go to florida , but it will have to be

florida, but it will have to be local . so we will we will employ local. so we will we will employ people in florida to take care of you. >> yeah. or they'll fund the wages of his current carers, but they won't fund the travel and accommodation of them. >> mean, there has to be >> so i mean, there has to be a limit. wants go on limit. what if he wants to go on around the world cruise or whatever? so i actually think whilst about whilst there is a question about what freedoms people in his situation get in terms of how they spend the money that's allocated i think allocated to them, i think there's there is a question there's a there is a question as to, um , you know, or we need to to, um, you know, or we need to highlight that the council has actually tried to assist in this case. um, so i don't know the specific details, but the whole question, i think of how we take care of people in the community and how we ensure that they've got a quality life is one that we need to continue to have a debate over. and i'm not trying to sort of get out of this in any way. but if we look at how people 20, five, 30 years ago with his sort of condition were treated, it was an appalling life. they didn't have much quality life all. has

quality of life at all. that has changed. thank goodness. and there still there are there are still teething would like teething problems. i would like to gentleman go off to to see this gentleman go off to to, florida. i think, you know, other people can go on a holiday if saved money that if he's, he's saved money that is effectively income for his leisure, fine, he can fund leisure, then fine, he can fund his but you see this is his trip. but you see this is this the key dispute that is this is the key dispute that is the key. >> what you've just said then funded. >> he he funding his own trips. >> but no, no, no, that's not the bit. no, henry, not the bit. no, henry, that's not no, you're missing the point. the what you've just said the bit. what you've just said then wants to take this then is if he wants to take this income and it to spend on income and use it to spend on holidays, that's free holidays, then that's free choice. but this is the nub of the matter. because what the council saying these council is saying is that these direct care are not direct payments for care are not a form of income. so they are literally payments to fund care. so it's not for you to pick and choose this and that or the other entirely. and if you but this is a dispute, this is a dispute that the council is having. so what the council is saying is if essentially we've paid you want paid you more than you want or need, we that surplus back. >> yeah. and i gather from reading the article that some of

the money that was put aside that wasn't spent was during covid, obviously a lot of covid, when obviously a lot of those things now, you know, you might argue that the council those things now, you know, you migh remiss that the council those things now, you know, you migh remiss in at the council those things now, you know, you migh remiss in carrying»uncil those things now, you know, you migh remiss in carrying on:il were remiss in carrying on paying were remiss in carrying on paying that when it couldn't be used for things. and it's a it's a, it's a benefit, but it's a different sort of benefit because it does allow an element of free choice. and i think henry is absolutely right as far as i can see. the council have offered to pay for care when he gets to america. he's paying for his own flight there, and i'm sure the specialist travel company that he's travelling with will provide support and help for him to travel. now, he may obviously prefer to go with people who he knows and who attend to him every day, but those people must have holidays so they all get sick, so there must be cover. i think . i don't must be cover. i think. i don't know, there's a part of me that thinks there's a bit more to this than meets the eye. >> well, i listen the >> well, i listen to the i listen to whole podcast. so listen to the whole podcast. so where this whole kind of the

articles and all the rest of it have actually come from. i've have actually come from. so i've listened gentleman and listened to this gentleman and his friend comes the his friend comes onto the podcast explain these podcast as well to explain these kind and what he's kind of things and what he's saying. he's got life limiting saying. he's got a life limiting disability and he doesn't know how long he will have to how long he will have left to live. beyond how long he will have left to live. is beyond how long he will have left to live. is normally beyond how long he will have left to live. is normally expected yond how long he will have left to live. is normally expected on|d what is normally expected on average for this condition. and what he to go on what he wants to do is go on holiday, for as holiday, um, every year for as long as he possibly can. and i guess the nub of it is that point about if there is facilities made and payments made someone's lifestyle, made for someone's lifestyle, which payments do which some of these payments do go that it's not go towards that because it's not just know, we're just a basic, you know, we're going pay for you to have the going to pay for you to have the bafics going to pay for you to have the basics. it is like a lifestyle element well that contributes element as well that contributes to wellbeing person. to the wellbeing of that person. should those have should those payments have continued the continued when all of the essential, leisure essential, uh, leisure facilities, or facilities, etc, cinemas or whatever which has been referenced that was closed down, that shouldn't there have that is, shouldn't there have been a conversation where he said, i can't spend this? >> can i keep it? >> can i keep it? >> indeed. but but look at other people situations. poor people in other situations. poor people in other situations. poor people who you know, of course i have huge sympathy for and have huge sympathy for them. and but but you know, somebody who needs regular dialysis , for

needs regular dialysis, for example, not be able to example, might not be able to travel somewhere that they travel to somewhere that they want. medical want. there are many medical conditions that are nobody's fault. um but do we then say , fault. um but do we then say, well, we fund those holidays or that care abroad and facilitate all of that? it could you know, be absolutely unnecessary , be absolutely unnecessary, expensive. um so i think it's good that this debate is going on. i think it's good that the gentleman's brought this up, but i do think that actually, it's a good system may not be perfect , but. >> well, i can tell you now, this debate will rumble on and on.the this debate will rumble on and on. the chap in question, he's appealed this decision. he's lost that appeal. the council continues to say they've done nothing wrong . um, so, as nothing wrong. um, and so, as i say, this one will rumble on and on. i'm sure. but what do you make to it all? get in touch and let me know. cath, i've just got to give you out before i to give you a shout out before i do go to break because as do go to the break because as you're please, britain, you're saying, please, britain, will wake up talking about will you wake up talking about the by elections, for the by elections, voting for either big parties like a either big parties like taking a pot mashed putting it pot of mashed potato, putting it on it in half,

on a plate, cutting it in half, flattening one side putting flattening one side and putting a on the other side a fork pattern on the other side . do you get? you get two . what do you get? you get two samples mashed potato, samples of mashed potato, but both same. that's both tastes the same. that's what get with labour and the what you get with labour and the tories. need a new flavour. i tories. we need a new flavour. i like your there. like your analogy there. i really do mind having. i won't mind at house, i mind having tea at your house, i can tell you that for free anyway. look, do you think foreign be foreign governments should be allowed media allowed to own british media

violence. earlier on, gb news radio . radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven. former ukip leader henry bolton, alongside me as the political commentator at jersey phillips. um. al says, talking about the elections. the by elections is, uh, first past the post. we've just about that. he just been talking about that. he says you enable that, says if you enable that, essentially of the essentially the will of the voting public will continue to be uh, he thinks be frustrated. uh, he thinks that things are bad now, but would worse, perhaps under would be worse, perhaps under that says stay at that system. he says stay at home will determine home verses will determine the outcome the election. i agree outcome of the election. i agree with latter sentiment. but with that latter sentiment. but then we motivate and then how do we motivate and galvanise those people to get

engagedin galvanise those people to get engaged in politics and turn out and vote? richard says, please, can out there precisely can anyone out there precisely explain to me what is the point of voting when you get your winning side elected, you still don't get it was that you don't get what it was that you actually voted for. i think that you make very good point you make a very good point there. diana says the tories there. uh, diana says the tories are doomed and therefore they have nothing to lose at all by changing their leader. what do you it all? uh, look, you make to it all? uh, look, i want to move on. the editor of the spectator magazine, fraser nelson, basically told on nelson, basically told piers on tuesday the government tuesday that the government should the should step in and outlaw the sale newspapers to overseas sale of newspapers to overseas states it's too late. states before it's too late. he's basically talking about things like the bid now, the abu dhabi backed bid for ownership of the telegraph, um, among other things like the spectator, what do you make to it? >> i think we need to be very, very careful. look we've got a number of powerful, wealthy states who put money into their states who put money into their states . uh, media and into the states. uh, media and into the opportunity for supporters of that state to buy media abroad.

we've got russia, we've got china, we've got . and if we look china, we've got. and if we look at some russia , sputnik and rt. at some russia, sputnik and rt. and so on, very clearly , uh, and so on, very clearly, uh, pushing an agenda that is contrary to the british policy, the will of the british people, even and starting to shape opinion . then then you've got al opinion. then then you've got al jazeera on the, the present situation in gaza and the middle east, which is there are it's a very complex situation. i don't want to get into that. but al jazeera has been pursuing a an absolutely one sided approach to this . we do not want the british this. we do not want the british media, which already every every media, which already every every media outlet has some agenda , media outlet has some agenda, some approach, some some way to deal with its presentation. but we do not want foreign states having an influence on shaping british public opinion. so we have foreign states that have huge stakes in many of our utilities, like our water, and we shouldn't hinckley point, uh,

you know, we've got them owning and having large stakes in a number of things that are really, really important. >> we've got you know, when bons >> we've got you know, when boris johnson was mayor of london, he called london, let londongrad, because he welcomed the russian oligarchs that were coming here and buying up the properties off plan. uh, we've got china, a major player in tech firms and doing things like. >> so what's your point? are you saying this is fine? >> no, i'm not saying it's fine, but i think, you know, i don't think the ownership of a newspaper is. i mean, yes , it's newspaper is. i mean, yes, it's a worry, but we've let all of this go. we need to be looking broader and i think there's a slight sort of , broader and i think there's a slight sort of, um. i like fraser nelson very much , and i fraser nelson very much, and i admire him as a journalist, but i think, you know, you can i do think, you know, you can look say, this is look at this and say, this is something that must never happen while we've allowed it to happen to other things. and i would argue actually, argue that actually, our water suppues argue that actually, our water supplies are probably more important. supplies are probably more impo agree with you, joe, but >> i agree with you, joe, but i'd have different approach to i'd have a different approach to that um, we should that problem. um, we should never have allowed foreign

states. for example, the french states. for example, the french state owned energy providers , state owned energy providers, state owned energy providers, state owned, to be providing our energy. and as a result, the president of france then demanding that we should actually subsidise them further, because they're suffering now, we don't want to be in that situation. we instead of saying we've let this go, therefore, maybe we should treat this openly. i would say we need to claw that back. we need to take them back into british ownership. >> um, sally says, dear michel, on this the answer is simple. >> definitely not in capital letters, puts i've got letters, she puts out. i've got to agree with you. uh, to say, i agree with you. uh, partido says i see no reason why foreign station owned british media hardly bastion of media were hardly a bastion of truth anymore. are truth and justice anymore. are we all? paddy, you are harsh , we all? paddy, you are a harsh, harsh let me know your harsh man. let me know your thoughts these thoughts on some of these things. after the break, things. guys. after the break, i want to you about want to talk to you about churches. we're in a situation now. we know this where attendance at churches in attendance at churches is in decline. some churches now are hosting fuelled discos hosting alcohol fuelled discos inside them. is that the way now to build attendance at churches

or is it, quite frankly, a bit disrespectful to the faith? get in touch. tell me

hello there, happy friday to you. i'm michelle dewberry till seven. as i just said, it's friday, so do brits. haven is officially open. cheers to the weekend i weekend! >> uh, yes. >> uh, yes. >> my favourite part of the week, quite frankly. cutie pie. uh, alongside me remain henry bolton joe phillips . so bolton and joe phillips. so cheers to you guys and everyone else at home. let's talk churches , shall we? because over churches, shall we? because over 2000 church goers have signed a petition to stop new silent disco shows taking place in historical churches up and down the country . see, now, i've got the country. see, now, i've got to say , the church attendance is to say, the church attendance is in decline. one of my viewers has written in to dispute that, and i'll come to that in a second. but what do you think to this notion that churches should be housing now, like alcohol ? i

be housing now, like alcohol? i have to say you can get alcohol at places. alcohol fuelled at these places. alcohol fuelled silent right of silent discos, the right time of the week. >> you'd to get, uh, get >> you'd be able to get, uh, get alcohol anywhere in church. alcohol anywhere in the church. >> but but not under not >> indeed. but but not under not under this context. >> no, not in this context, no. um churches , a number of um look, churches, a number of things about this churches have been all sorts of been used for all sorts of purposes through the centuries . purposes through the centuries. um, and really it is about bringing people together. i think , where there is think, where there is a difficulty with this is that the church is trying to attract people into the congregation , people into the congregation, um, without having an idea as to how it's going to connect the youth club element. if you like , youth club element. if you like, to religion. so a lot of the clergy argue that we need to bnng clergy argue that we need to bring people. i'm not particularly practising a christian, but bring people into the church . um, but that you're the church. um, but that you're not a christian unless you sign up to the virgin birth and that christ rose on the third day and, you know, if you if you get somebody into a, i would suggest into a sort of a silent disco

and drinking alcohol, that's probably not going to be a person who's going to believe for a moment in the virgin birth. and so you know, there's a disconnect here. and i think the church england the church of england particularly, vote, particularly, is after the vote, if like, we're talking we've if you like, we're talking we've been but after been talking politics. but after the vote is trying to chase the vote and is trying to chase the vote and is trying to chase the vote and is trying to chase the vote rather than be what i think it should be a stable and firm rock in a storm, um, that people can turn to and rely on it being there without it being a changing thing. you can say that that's a very conservative approach, but i think that's what people need in life. they need some certainty and the church should provide it and guidance and on. it shouldn't guidance and so on. it shouldn't be trying to sort of kowtow to the masses and, and seduce them into the church when they haven't got a follow up plan . haven't got a follow up plan. >> um, so this is talking about canterbury cathedral, which is not far from where i live, or in fact, where henry lives. and fact, where henry lives. um, and it's place in guildford it's taking place in guildford cathedral and other cathedrals. so the idea that there alcohol fuelled, i think is slightly over the top. there is alcohol on sale and they are silent

discos. i love, love the architecture of churches , architecture of churches, mosques, temples and all sorts of religious buildings. i think there are absolutely wonderful and i think, you know, when you get people coming into canterbury cathedral, whether it's for evensong or whether it's for evensong or whether it's for evensong or whether it's for prayer, whether it's for the carol concert, when people come in, you know, a couple of days before christmas laden their christmas laden down with their christmas shopping whether it's for shopping or whether it's for quiet reflection you're a quiet reflection or you're a tourist just going around ticking it off a list, i think it's really important that people come into churches. they're wonderful buildings. they're wonderful buildings. they created and have been they are created and have been inspirational to many, whether it's a stained glass or the sculptures or the history or whatever . and if that's a way whatever. and if that's a way that people come in and feel it andifs that people come in and feel it and it's not exactly new. i mean , you don't want some drunkard there. >> chundering in the corner, dean >> they're not, you know, they're not going to be drunk. we've had, sonja lumiere at we've had, uh, sonja lumiere at rochester cathedral there have rochester cathedral. there have been light shows, have been all

sorts of exhibitions, and i think agree with joe. think i agree with you, joe. >> i would just sort of go back and look, perhaps they need and say, look, perhaps they need to go back to education again. i've got two daughters who live in, in in vienna. they have both sungin in, in in vienna. they have both sung in the cathedral in the centre of vienna. they have both been on tours. the schools take them on tours to see the architecture , to understand in architecture, to understand in the church what the church is about, without pushing religion. but this is what it's about. about, without pushing religion. but this is what it's about . and but this is what it's about. and to wonder at the architecture and learn the history of these buildings. i think that's that's a way to do it. and as i say, churches have always been centres of society . and i think centres of society. and i think that that's good. and that should but i think should continue. but i think that i've got issue that where i've got an issue with this is the type of evangelical , uh, approach to try evangelical, uh, approach to try and draw people into the church with a happy clappy thing, which i'm not into . i'm not into. >> people are i don't think this happy clappy. henry. >> no, but it's a version of it. no, it's to draw people in. >> it's an event. it's exactly the same event. when they

the same as an event. when they had song columbia and had the song columbia and they've just had the light show . they've just had the light show. it's not playing happy clappy music. the purpose is to draw people >> the purpose is to draw people into as regular into the church as regular church goers, to buy into the religion . so it's an religion. so it's an introduction. well, don't, but introduction. well, i don't, but there behind it. there is no plan behind it. that's i'm saying . that's what i'm saying. >> just a revenue stream. >> it's just a revenue stream. >> it's just a revenue stream. >> there is that >> oh well, there is that as well. but but charge you. well. but but i charge you. >> i can't remember what it costs now, but it's about £15, i think. and i go into canterbury cathedral think. and i go into canterbury cat iadral think. and i go into canterbury cati think canterbury is now >> i think canterbury is now running where they're running a scheme where they're actually questioning whether or not reduced not they actually have reduced their income as a result of that. well, they've and so they're a months, they're now for a few months, uh, opening it up free. >> they may do, but >> well, they may do, but they've also stopped how it works. local residents from going for free, which going in there for free, which used the case. used to be the case. >> they're charging at >> well, they're not charging at all present time for all at the present time for about three months, 3 or months. >> i think it's a good thing the more that people see beautiful buildings. i agree with that. you i it's great. you know, i think it's great. yeah. what's to yeah. john says, what's going to be uh, a rave in a mosque? oh, >> uh, a rave in a mosque? oh, don't think so, john. um, david

says my village church in shropshire beer shropshire has an annual beer festival well, sounds festival. well, uh, that sounds quite actually . david, can quite good, actually. david, can ihave quite good, actually. david, can i have the address said i have the address of said church, please? vincent says the problem of this is the problem in all of this is the archbishop is more archbishop of canterbury is more interested in things like diversity, and diversity, immigrants and politics. um jim says of course, this is absolutely fine if church people think it's wrong, please can you remind them that jesus turned water into wine? and when he did, what do you think happened to all of that wine? michelle lewis and wine? michelle uh, lewis and bernadette we keep bernadette said we keep hearing everyone church everyone saying that church attendance it's not attendance is down. it's not true in the catholic, um, faith. they we're regular they say we're regular church goers . um, and they goers in croydon. um, and they reckon that their church does indeed keep increasing , indeed have to keep increasing, uh, the number of masses there. so popular, it seems. >> briefly, michelle. um, that's what i'm talking about. the catholic church is more steady and firm and consistent in its approach to religion than the church of england. >> well , well, there you go. >> well, well, there you go. what do you make to it all? but look, time flies, doesn't it? when you are having fun , when you are having fun, everybody. and what fun it has

been tonight. there are so many more be had, so more conversations to be had, so we'll those for monday. but we'll save those for monday. but for now, joe, thank you very much your time and your much for your time and your company. this evening. also, henry bolton, thank you for yours too. and you know, the drill, don't you? we very much appreciate your company. have a great don't go anywhere great weekend. don't go anywhere . is up next and . lee anderson is up next and i'll see you on monday night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb solar sponsors of weather on. gb news. hello >> very good evening to you. i'm alex burkill here with your latest gb news, weather forecast at the weekend is likely to start mostly dry. however, that's not going to last long as there is a weather system waiting west of the waiting out to the west of the uk. it's this that's going uk. and it's this that's going to heavy, persistent to bring some heavy, persistent rain on saturday. for rain later on saturday. but for the time being we are still under ridge of high under the ridge of high pressure. brought a quieter pressure. that brought a quieter day for today, however, we day for many. today, however, we are going to see a bit more cloud pushing in from the west as go through night and

as we go through the night and this will bring some this cloud will bring some outbreaks rain all outbreaks of drizzly rain all the east and the time towards the east and the time towards the east and the there's some the northeast. there's some clearer skies. it may turn a little fresher than some recent nights, perhaps low nights, perhaps dropping to low single parts of single figures across parts of scotland, but many are mild. start to the day tomorrow. the best any sunshine best chance of any sunshine tomorrow across the east tomorrow will be across the east and northeast early on, and the northeast early on, otherwise it is going to turn pretty cloudy for many of us. that bringing few spots that cloud bringing a few spots of more of drizzly rain before more persistent heavy rain pushes in from the west. due to that system , i pointed out earlier, system, i pointed out earlier, temperatures, though, will stay on the mild side. not quite as high were earlier on in high as they were earlier on in the week, but nonetheless several degrees above average for time of year that heavy for the time of year that heavy rain the west then feeds its rain in the west then feeds its way across the whole of the uk. as through saturday night as we go through saturday night and sunday, of and into sunday, a bit of uncertainty as to how quickly it pushes through, but it could bnng pushes through, but it could bring impactful bring some impactful weather, especially across england and wales , as we go into next week. wales, as we go into next week. and whilst after a mostly dry day on sunday, i think we can expect further heavy rain expect some further heavy rain and winds by the middle

and strong winds by the middle of the week . of the week. >> things are heating

have >> welcome to the andersons real world. tonight on the show we have former labour mp stephen pound, also got the former leader of the liberal democrats , leader of the liberal democrats, sir vince cable. we've got the founder of the israeli advocacy movement , that's joseph cohen, movement, that's joseph cohen, gary, the cabbie is back on the show this week, but he's actually in the pub and we've also got former darts champion, world champion keith deller. but first, let's go to the .