i >> -- >> well . good afternoon friends >> well. good afternoon friends and welcome to gb news saturday with me, ben leo. >> and for the next three hours i'll be keeping you company on tv, online and on digital radio. i'll keep you to date on all i'll keep you up to date on all the stories the the biggest news stories of the day, prince harry, day, including prince harry, back in the royal fold, the duke of sussex gave his first public interview since his father, king charles, was diagnosed with cancer last week. it's now fuelled speculation that he could begin repair relations could begin to repair relations with dad and brother but, with his dad and brother but, crucially, take up a temporary role undertaking royal duties again. so could we be seeing harry becoming a working royal again then? some might have thought that support for these so—called hate marchers would have waned by now, but today we're in the fourth consecutive month. thousands . of month. thousands. of pro—palestine supporters are marching in central london today, calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. we'll be there live shortly . and this is

there live shortly. and this is unbelievable. a judge has ruled that former us president donald trump must pay nearly . £281 trump must pay nearly. £281 million to new york for state lying about the values of his properties . lying about the values of his properties. he lying about the values of his properties . he says lying about the values of his properties. he says he's lying about the values of his properties . he says he's been properties. he says he's been stitched up . and by the way, stitched up. and by the way, that trump story is insane. even the banks who gave donald trump those multi—million dollar loans said that the underwriting process was fine. they had no problem with it . and of course, problem with it. and of course, prince harry breaking story this morning. is he going to be back in the royal fold just four years ditching royals years after ditching the royals for in california? for a new life in california? let all your thoughts on let me know all your thoughts on all the stories we'll be discussing me discussing today. email me gbviews@gbnews.com or message me on socials. we're at gb news on twitter, instagram and all the rest of it. but first, here's your morning news headlines with sofia . thanks ben.

sofia. thanks ben. >> good afternoon. it's 12:01. i'm sofia wenzler in the gb newsroom . your top story this newsroom. your top story this houn newsroom. your top story this hour. foreign ministers from the g7 have held a minute's silence in munich for alexei navalny after a spokesperson confirmed his death in prison. after a spokesperson confirmed his death in prison . it comes as his death in prison. it comes as lord cameron warned of consequences for russia this morning , as consequences for russia this morning, as vigils and consequences for russia this morning , as vigils and protests morning, as vigils and protests were held across the world in support of vladimir putin's most vocal critic . crowds gathered vocal critic. crowds gathered outside the russian embassy in london, laying tributes and demanding the russian president be held accountable for his death . the foreign office death. the foreign office summoned russian diplomats last night, though the ambassador was reportedly too ill to attend , reportedly too ill to attend, with a deputy sent instead . with a deputy sent instead. those gathered at the munich security conference voiced their fury with officials from the us, eu and nato laying blame on putin. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy told the conference. the russian leader is a thug who must be stopped after the murder of alexei navalny .

navalny. >> it's absurd to perceive putin as a supposedly legitimate head of a russian state, and he is a thug who maintains power through corruption and violence. coming to his so—called inauguration , to his so—called inauguration, shaking his hand , considering shaking his hand, considering him an equal means to disdain the very nature of political power . power. >> meanwhile, the reaction across russian controlled media to alexei navalny's death has been minimal, with scant detail and little context about who he was. but it's attracted more attention online, trending on some social media platforms , some social media platforms, people were cautioned against taking part in mass gatherings, though, with police detaining more than 100 protesters. officers have been seen this morning removing floral tributes to mr navalny , ensuring there's to mr navalny, ensuring there's little evidence that the support that he might have had . marina that he might have had. marina litvinenko is the widow of

alexander litvinenko, a former russian spy who was poisoned in london. she told gb news that the world must consider whether vladimir putin can be allowed to continue his brutal regime. >> will you accept putin as a leader of the country ? do you leader of the country? do you believe you can negotiate gate to this regime? do you believe you can trust ? and this is a you can trust? and this is a very important and i think we will have not another chance to make any change for what is happening now to russia and what is happening to . ukraine is happening to. ukraine >> in other news, a third of small boat arrivals since 2018 have taken place, while russia , have taken place, while russia, enoch was prime minister. that's according to new analysis by the labour party . that's after 52 labour party. that's after 52 people reportedly crossed the channel by small boat yesterday , channel by small boat yesterday, meaning there's been just over 38,500 arrivals since mr sunak became prime minister. shadow home secretary yvette cooper said it was proof the government's focus on its rwanda plan isn't enough to solve the

crisis . the government insists crisis. the government insists its policies are working with the number of crossings last year down more than a third compared to a year earlier. for farmers in kent are staging a protest at a tesco supermarket. furious at what they say are cheap. international imports. around 20 tractors are parked at tesco extra in whitfield, near doven tesco extra in whitfield, near dover. their aiming to raise awareness to what they fear could be a threat to britain's food security because of the unfair treatment of farmers by large retailers. they say they can't compete with cheap foreign imports and unless something is done , british farmers won't be done, british farmers won't be able afford to feed the able to afford to feed the british public. donald trump has been ordered to pay 354.9 million usd in penalties for fraudulently inflating his net worth to dupe lenders . he's also worth to dupe lenders. he's also been banned from running any business in new york for three years. trump has denied any wrongdoing and called the case a political vendetta. the latest case comes as the former president appears to be cruising to republican nomination ,

to republican nomination, despite multiple other legal battles , and the duke of sussex battles, and the duke of sussex is reportedly willing to step into a temporary royal role while his father undergoes cancer treatment. according to reports in the times, harry is said to have told friends he'd be willing to cover some duties while his father recovers. it comes after prince harry hinted at possible reconciliation at a possible reconciliation with his father during an interview on american television . speaking to good morning america program, he said he was grateful for the time he spent with during a short with his father during a short visit london last week . and visit to london last week. and for the latest stories sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts . to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to ben . thank you sophia. >> should we get stuck into some of today's topics, not least that bloodbath in the pair of bar elections on friday? so sir keir starmer, he says that

people are now ready to put their faith in a changed labour party following that double win in and kingswood. party following that double win in minister and kingswood. party following that double win in minister rishind kingswood. party following that double win in minister rishi sunakjswood. party following that double win in minister rishi sunak saysid. prime minister rishi sunak says the circumstances facing the tories are challenging . you tories are challenging. you think, but, insists labour doesn't have a plan. take a look at this. midterms by elections are always difficult for incumbent and the incumbent governments and the circumstances of these by elections were, course, elections were, of course, particularly challenging. elections were, of course, par nownrly challenging. elections were, of course, par now ,ly challenging. elections were, of course, par now , i challenging. elections were, of course, par now , i thinkenging. elections were, of course, par now , i think if ging. elections were, of course, par now , i think if you. elections were, of course, par now , i think if you look at >> now, i think if you look at the results very low turnout and it shows that we've got work to do people that we are do to show people that we are delivering priorities. do to show people that we are deliithat's priorities. do to show people that we are deliithat's what priorities. do to show people that we are deliithat's what fabsolutely and that's what i'm absolutely determined also shows determined to do, but also shows that isn't a huge amount that there isn't a huge amount of for the of enthusiasm for the alternative in keir starmer and the labour party. and that's because they don't have plan. because they don't have a plan. and you don't a plan, and if you don't have a plan, you deliver real change. you can't deliver real change. and when the general election comes, message i'll comes, that's the message i'll be country. stick be making to the country. stick with our plan because it is starting change with our plan because it is startthe change with our plan because it is startthe country change with our plan because it is startthe country wants change with our plan because it is startthe country wants and ge that the country wants and needs. >> joining me now is gb news senior political commentator, nigel nelson. good afternoon, nigel, thank you for joining us. um, rishi sunaks um, since friday, rishi sunaks reminded me uh, do you reminded me of, uh, do you remember man comical ali reminded me of, uh, do you remetheer man comical ali reminded me of, uh, do you remethe gulf man comical ali reminded me of, uh, do you

remethe gulf war|n comical ali reminded me of, uh, do you remethe gulf war ,i comical ali reminded me of, uh, do you remethe gulf war , who mical ali reminded me of, uh, do you remethe gulf war , who wasl ali from the gulf war, who was giving live tv broadcasts as the tanks rolled into baghdad behind him, saying everything's fine. the is turning a corner. the economy is turning a corner. it's great. has he got a leg to stand on from here until the election, well it doesn't stand on from here until the electvery well it doesn't stand on from here until the electvery much well it doesn't stand on from here until the electvery much like l it doesn't stand on from here until the electvery much like it, doesn't stand on from here until the electvery much like it, ben.n't look very much like it, ben. >> . >> certainly. >> certainly. >> um, i mean, yes, he is >> ali. um, i mean, yes, he is a bit comical. ali. like that. the idea low turnout means idea that a low turnout means that there's , um, uh, no that there's, um, uh, no enthusiasm for labour. >> it could be one of the reasons, but there are an awful lot of others. simple complacency . uh, lot of others. simple complacency. uh, in lot of others. simple complacency . uh, in kingswood, complacency. uh, in kingswood, it was raining all afternoon while the vote was going on. uh, and it could be that people actually are perfectly happy . actually are perfectly happy. um, now, it doesn't seem like any of those things are really true. that the economy is not turning a corner here. uh, we're now in a recession , albeit now in a recession, albeit a shallow one. so rishi sunak is right about he's got an awful lot of work to do. if he thinks he's going to gain victory at the general election, not while there was some interesting stats in terms of the vote share from

wellingborough , for example, wellingborough, for example, labour only got 107 labour actually only got 107 more votes than they did in 2019. >> meanwhile , the tories lost >> meanwhile, the tories lost about 24,000, so that suggests it's not the facts that labour are surging and there's some newfound popularity amongst starmer's ranks. in actual fact , starmer's ranks. in actual fact, it's just complete disillusionment with rishi sunak and his party. well certainly i think that's the main reason that people are just fed up with the tories and these kind of results that it just results show that that it just bears out what opinion polls are doing at the moment. >> i mean , the interesting thing >> i mean, the interesting thing in both elections was really in both by elections was really how well reform did that certainly in wellingborough, ben habib got 13. now that's about the same amount that ukip was polling back in 2015. although you have to bear in mind that ukip only got one mp out of that general election , despite, uh uh general election, despite, uh uh , doing very well with the popular vote, 4 million votes in 2015 for uk and actually nigel farage even today he says that

he still feels very bitter about that. >> but do you know what, nigel? i think with reform they haven't said this publicly, but i don't think of course they'd want think they of course they'd want to seats, they know in to win seats, but they know in this they're not going to this system they're not going to win seats. but think really win seats. but i think really their toppling the tories their aim is toppling the tories and completely annihilating their aim is toppling the tories and yeahnpletely annihilating them. yeah >> so they could well do that. and it's optimist. and i think it's a bit optimist. nick. has been that nick. the reform has been that had they not been standing in kingswood, the tories would have won. that assumes that won. uh that assumes that everybody who voted reform was actually a straight tory switcher, which i don't think is very likely . um, so on the basis very likely. um, so on the basis , on the basis of that reform can do can do some damage and certainly tory mps in marginal seats, especially in the red wall, will be very concerned about these results . about these results. >> so just briefly, nigel, what do you make of this piece in the telegraph last night from rishi sunak basically calling on what he british conservatives he called british conservatives to unite and beat keir starmer. he didn't mention reform by name , but it pretty calls for , , but it pretty much calls for, uh, reform to step down. that's

as far as i've perceived it. anyway >> yeah, it's that and also the fact that he's got problems with his own right wing. you've got five factionalised tory groups as well that have formed themselves. so so yeah, what he needsis themselves. so so yeah, what he needs is a united party and he desperately needs people who veer towards the right to vote for him. uh, it just doesn't seem to be happening. >> so what's it what is the key? i know the answer to this, i think, but what is the key policy sunak to adopt now? policy for sunak to adopt now? what's the change, of course, that lord david frost, for example, has been calling for this what the this morning. what does the prime need do to prime minister need to do to save himself? uh in the red wall? >> it's immigration. quite clearly. uh, which means that he's got to get flight off to he's got to get a flight off to rwanda general rwanda before the general election. unlikely. election. that looks unlikely. the top issue overall in the country is the cost of living crisis. he's still got to deal with that . and the next thing is with that. and the next thing is to get nhs waiting lists down. >> okay. great stuff. nigel nelson , uh, in your very well nelson, uh, in your very well stocked home library, i take it. uh, no surprise you're so well

informed these days . thank you informed these days. thank you for your time. very much. appreciate it. have a good weekend. the best weekend. uh, now for the best analysis opinion on that analysis and opinion on that story more goes to the story and more goes to the website gbnews.com. and also check our socials too. by check out our socials too. by the way, is , uh, our the way, this is, uh, our election year. of course, general elections all over the shop, 40 different countries and gb news will hot on the gb news will be hot on the pulse. all throughout the next seven, eight months. um, let's move on and change gear now, shall yesterday, prince shall we? yesterday, prince harry public harry gave his first public interview since his father, the king charles king charles rather was with cancer last was diagnosed with cancer last week. this is what had to week. this is what he had to tell good america about tell good morning america about the father's the effect of his father's illness. had had on his own family. >> how did you get the news that the was ill? the king was ill? >> i spoke to him and what did you next? >> i jumped on a plane and went to go and see him as soon as could. >> how was that visit for you emotionally ? emotionally? >> um, look, love i love my >> um, look, i love i love my family. the fact that i was, the fact that able to get on fact that i was able to get on a plane and see him and plane and go and see him and spend time with him, i'm spend any time with him, i'm grateful for that. what's sort

of on his health grateful for that. what's sort of stays on his health grateful for that. what's sort of stays between his health grateful for that. what's sort of stays between land ealth grateful for that. what's sort of stays between land him? that stays between me and him? >> illness in the family can >> an illness in the family can have galvanising or sort of have a galvanising or sort of reunifying for family. reunifying effect for a family. >> is that possible in this case? >> yeah, i'm sure. i mean, you know, i've throughout these know, i've throughout all these families, i see it on a, on a day to day basis. >> um, you know, again, the strength of the family unit coming just physically coming together just physically being california, have being in california, how have you processed the fact that there's happening back there's so much happening back with where you come from? >> i have my own family. right? >> i have my own family. right? >> so as we all do . right. so, >> so as we all do. right. so, um, , my family and my um, you know, my family and my life in california is as it is. you know, i will i've got other trips planned , um, that would trips planned, um, that would take me through the uk or back to the uk. um, so , you know, to the uk. um, so, you know, i'll stop in and see my family as much as i can now , we've as much as i can now, we've already had a few emails on this. >> the inbox is going wild. and i'll bring you those, uh, messages in a second. but the interview that harry did with good america fuelled good morning america is fuelled speculation begin speculation that he could begin to relations with his to repair relations with his father brother, william, father and brother, william, which of course, have become very he and very strained since he and meghan back from their meghan stepped back from their

dufies meghan stepped back from their duties working royals. but duties as working royals. but could we see the duke becoming a working royal again, joining me now is former ukip leader henry bolton and former labour mp stephen pound. henry i see you've come with your child's tie. today was that was that a coincidence? well, it was total coincidence? well, it was total coincidence in fact, i didn't know that we were going to discuss particularly. i discuss this particularly. i mean, should got on mean, we should have got you on the really? as the by elections. really? but as you're the charles tie, you're wearing the charles tie, what do you reckon these what do you reckon about these reports that harry what do you reckon about these rep0|come that harry what do you reckon about these rep0|come into that harry what do you reckon about these rep0|come into the at harry what do you reckon about these rep0|come into the royalry may come back into the royal fold royal, albeit temporarily? >> i think there's a very, very long to travel long journey for him to travel before he would be able to become working member of the become a working member of the royal family again. i mean , you royal family again. i mean, you know, even you think about know, even if you think about making him honorary colonel making him an honorary colonel of regiment in the british of a regiment in the british army, um, some thing like that, then actually other soldiers in that regiment are going to think, well, hang on minute. think, well, hang on a minute. we've bombed with harry we've been bombed off with harry here. mean, here. we don't really. i mean, there's issues. i there's all sorts of issues. i think, you know, the think, you know, i trust the king. a wise king. i think he's a wise statesman , and he has been statesman, and he has been around the houses when it comes to this sort of thing. so he

might of touch on might be out of touch on some things, know, in this matter things, you know, in this matter of opinion. this knows things, you know, in this matter of (family. this knows things, you know, in this matter of (family. knows s knows things, you know, in this matter of (family. knows the knows things, you know, in this matter of (family. knows the issues. his family. he knows the issues. and i you know, in a sense, it's not for to us judge whether whether or not, if ever there is a time for harry to sort of move back into the working side of it i >> -- >> but but that said henry, the late queen said harry and late queen said that harry and meghan half in, half meghan couldn't be half in, half out. wouldn't. she wouldn't out. she wouldn't. she wouldn't have what being have wanted what is being proposed or mooted. this morning there is nothing now at the present time, the answer is no . present time, the answer is no. >> harry has spent many years undermining his position as a as a working member of the royal family. it would take him 2 or 3 times as many years. i would suggest, to be able to regain the trust of the british people andindeed the trust of the british people and indeed of the king and perhaps his brother as well, and indeed of the king and perhaps his brother as well , to perhaps his brother as well, to be able to come back. i think it's a very, very distant and faint possibility. i don't think it's on the cards, and i certainly wouldn't support it at this time. i think it would be a very risky and dangerous move at a time the royal family ,

a time when the royal family, anyway, dealing with a period anyway, is dealing with a period of change. >> the problem just can't >> the problem is he just can't seem his mouth shut. he seem to keep his mouth shut. he came, to see his dad. came, he came to see his dad. >> if i the king i wouldn't >> if i was the king i wouldn't bnng >> if i was the king i wouldn't brirnow think he had >> now i think he had a wonderful, brilliant visual metaphor in you had metaphor just now in you had prince hurtling downhill prince harry hurtling downhill at great speed. yeah on that one. and he's now wandering around. he's like one of those london taxis with a four higher sign flashing. he's saying, i'd be come back help be happy to come back and help if know, like if i'm needed. you know, like i'm free. i'm sorry. i'm free. i'm free. i'm sorry. if king wants prince harry if the king wants prince harry to in, he will ask him. to step in, he will ask him. prince doesn't need to prince harry doesn't need to go around a sandwich board around with a sandwich board saying, i'm for hire. around with a sandwich board saywhat m for hire. around with a sandwich board saywhat door hire. around with a sandwich board saywhat do youire. around with a sandwich board saywhat do you make of fact >> what do you make of the fact he's done this interview? basically gobbing off to american tv this american breakfast tv this morning. a lot of people have said, wrong. said, actually, i got it wrong. i thought harry was going to spill beans, was spill the beans, but he was quite in comments. spill the beans, but he was quit my in comments. spill the beans, but he was quitmy argument comments. spill the beans, but he was quit my argument is comments. spill the beans, but he was quit my argument is that ments. spill the beans, but he was quit my argument is that he nts. spill the beans, but he was quit my argument is that he would but my argument is that he would have beforehand they have known beforehand that they would question . would have asked that question. if cared. he could if he really cared. he could have guys, don't ask have just said, guys, don't ask me about my dad's health. >> he have done >> 100. and he could have done that would have had to that and they would have had to have that and they would have had to hav(fascinating about that was was fascinating about that was when they said to he said, was fascinating about that was whe know, said to he said, was fascinating about that was whe know, said you he said, was fascinating about that was

whe know, said you thoughtaid, was fascinating about that was whe know, said you thought about you know, have you thought about being an american citizen? i don't aware that don't know if he's aware that under constitution, under the american constitution, if of if you become a citizen of the united to united states, you have to renounce all your titles. now, that's bit well, that's going to be a bit well, that's going to be a bit well, that him that would leave him skin, wouldn't that would leave him skin, wouldrwouldn't do that. >> he wouldn't want to do that. well i think meghan might have harry. >> e!- e”.- w might have >> no, no, no, she might have something it. something to say about it. >> do you see harry as british? >> still. >> f- f— >> do you know i don't in a funny of i he's funny sort of way. i think he's transatlantic at moment. transatlantic at the moment. i mean, to quote the late her majesty, it's half majesty, you know, it's the half in, so in, half out. i mean, he so sorry, yu, agree. sorry, cindy yu, i agree. >> we can't agree. >> i mean, i we can't agree. henrik. well, we know, i know, we're supposed fight we're supposed to fight and argue outside, argue on this program outside, but i when harry started , first but i when harry started, first started to get, uh , you know, started to get, uh, you know, cause cause waves . and i think cause cause waves. and i think meghan's got a huge amount of answering to do in that respect. but i said, you know , i hope but i said, you know, i hope they go off to america , have they go off to america, have a family, live a happy, quiet life, great success and yeah, and do their thing but separate themselves from the public life of the royal family in the united kingdom . can i? and they united kingdom. can i? and they failed to that . the failed to do that. the insistently tried to re—engage

insistently tried to re—engage in edward vii, as you know, after abdicated , he went off in edward vii, as you know, aftgovern bdicated , he went off in edward vii, as you know, aftgovern bermuda he went off in edward vii, as you know, aftgovern bermuda and went off in edward vii, as you know, aftgovern bermuda and then off in edward vii, as you know, aftgovern bermuda and then he to govern bermuda and then he went and lived paris. went and lived in paris. >> never foot back in >> he never set foot back in this country. >> w- >> can i play devil's advocate and your job, ben? and say, that's your job, ben? >> that's what >> of course. that's what we haven't has said, and many >> harry has said, and many other people have said that , you other people have said that, you know, at times of serious illness or concerning illness, as we've seen with the king, illness or concerning illness, as wit'se seen with the king, illness or concerning illness, as wit's right| with the king, illness or concerning illness, as wit's right that] the king, illness or concerning illness, as wit's right that people,|g, illness or concerning illness, as wit's right that people, you that it's right that people, you know, if there's going to any know, if there's going to be any positives kind of positives from that kind of scenario, it's that it's a unifier family relations and unifier for family relations and it's a good opportunity, opportunity to heal rifts and whatnot. it not right that whatnot. is it not right that harry has come back and is opening i would say quite opening now? i would say quite a penod opening now? i would say quite a period of silence on his part would be greatly, greatly welcomed. >> you're absolutely right. in times of family crisis, the family gathers around bed. times of family crisis, the famall gathers around bed. times of family crisis, the fam all gatheithat. und bed. times of family crisis, the famallgatheithat. but bed. times of family crisis, the famallgatheithat. but in bed. times of family crisis, the famall gatheithat. but in thisi we all know that. but in this particular he's not adding particular case, he's not adding anything. quite honestly, anything. and quite honestly, i don't know mind of king don't know the mind of king charles. you know, i only met don't know the mind of king charonce'ou know, i only met don't know the mind of king charonce or know, i only met don't know the mind of king charonce or twice. i only met don't know the mind of king charonce or twice. wenly met don't know the mind of king charonce or twice. we didn'tt him once or twice. we didn't have discussions. have these deep discussions. >> he like as a man? the >> what's he like as a man? the king, stilted when king, he was a bit stilted when i the other i met him, but on the other hand, he said, oh, hello, you're from you? from ealing, aren't you? >> , very good comedies.

>> uh, very good comedies. >> uh, very good comedies. >> said me. but look. no, >> he said to me. but look. no, he thousands people. he beats thousands of people. millions look , i millions of people. but look, i really actually is really doubt that he actually is longing and hoping for prince harry to make this. >> i think it have been harry to make this. >> moreik it have been harry to make this. >> more tasteful have been harry to make this. >> more tasteful if have been harry to make this. >> more tasteful if we'd been harry to make this. >> more tasteful if we'd heard far more tasteful if we'd heard afterwards that harry had come oven afterwards that harry had come over. difficult . over. that's maybe difficult. but remember the that but also remember the that prince harry wasn't making life any easier for the queen when the duke of edinburgh was ill, and fact , he the duke of edinburgh was ill, and fact, he didn't make he and in fact, he didn't make he wasn't cover himself wasn't exactly cover himself in glory when the queen herself was. >> well, that's a that's a very good point. >> it's a bit, a bit >> so now it's a bit, a bit difficult for him to say yes. you know, i'd this you know, i'd like this reconciliation he's reconciliation. maybe he's learning maybe as he's learning a lesson, maybe as he's growing and maturity , he's growing and maturity, he's starting to realise the error of his but as i say, his ways. but i say as i say, it's going to take many, it's going to take him many, many, many years and a lot of effort to regain the trust , effort to regain the trust, probably of his own family. but also of the british people and he can't come back into a public role in the royal family until he has done that. and i, as king, i would keep him well away. >> the same thing would apply to

prince andrew. prince andrew obviously saying that he'd quite like to come back, but i don't think happen. think it's going to happen. >> make quite >> yeah, well you make quite a good there all the good point there about all the times of, you times that he's kind of, you know, call it know, some would call it betraying even betraying his family. even recently, meghan recently, when harry and meghan went to cavort with went to jamaica to cavort with the minister who was an the prime minister who was an avowed anti—monarchist who actually wants leave the actually wants to leave the commonwealth at the time, by the way, that trip at way, they did that trip at a time when was the princess time when kate was the princess of in hospital for of wales, was in hospital for serious charles serious abdominal and charles was having that first visit for serious abdominal and charles wasprostate:hat first visit for serious abdominal and charles wasprostate situation ilsll for serious abdominal and charles wasprostate situation .sit for the prostate situation. >> that's appalling. >> yeah, no. that's appalling. it dreadful you'd >> yeah, no. that's appalling. it they'deadful you'd >> yeah, no. that's appalling. it they'd actually you'd >> yeah, no. that's appalling. it they'd actually use»u'd >> yeah, no. that's appalling. it they'd actually use their think they'd actually use their heads, almost like heads, but it's almost like that. they're anywhere they'll go. a go. if somebody's opening a fridge they'll be there at go. if somebody's opening a frid moment.hey'll be there at the moment. >> well, course they're not >> well, of course they're not here to defend themselves. and they time they they said at the time that they were marley. were going for a bob marley. i think it was bob marley. was think it was bob marley. it was it first. it was the first. >> they should they should >> but they should they should surely. unless are surely. i mean, unless they are really stupid than really far more stupid than i think are , surely they think even they are, surely they know the impact this is having, the effect it's happening, how it . um, you know, i can't it looks. um, you know, i can't believe that it's anything but a conscious decision to ignore the negative impact . and why would

negative impact. and why would that be? one can only speculate. i'm not inside their heads. i'm not inside their circle. but but it's i think like most people, it's i think like most people, it's probably because they want the publicity. >> let's let's give one bit of credit. he he fought fought heroically for this country . he heroically for this country. he was in the line of fire. he did that which not many of us, steven, but also, i have to say, henry, the invictus games, which steven, but also, i have to say, henry, know, lictus games, which steven, but also, i have to say, henry, know, paying ames, which steven, but also, i have to say, henry, know, paying tribute vhich steven, but also, i have to say, henry, know, paying tribute to ch is, you know, paying tribute to disabled is, you know, paying tribute to disablecis a brilliant piece of women, is a brilliant piece of work and, you know, can't he concentrate that and leave concentrate on that and leave the of him becoming angry , the idea of him becoming angry, but regards to but with, with regards to afghanistan , he, you know, afghanistan, he, you know, talking about the number of people he killed in this sort of thing. >> i mean, i'm ex military. you're ex—military. um, you know, i was in afghanistan for two and a half months. you don't talk about that sort of thing unless know, you're unless either, you know, you're bigging or. and it's bigging yourself up or. and it's probably at least partly full. >> made a great. it made >> it made a great. it made a great his book. well, great chapter of his book. well, well isn't well, that's the point, isn't it? stephen it? henry bowles and stephen pound, you much. pound, thank you so much. insightful as ever from the devil's advocate. >> that's crazy. >> that's that's crazy. >> that's that's crazy. >> the expert . you're watching

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radio. welcome back here with ben lio on gb news saturday here on gb news. >> we're going to dive deep into the economy now despite pledges from rishi sunak to save the economy this week, the uk entered what's called a technical recession after a dismal latest set of gdp figures. the chancellor, jeremy hunt , says despite this, the hunt, says despite this, the economy quote, turning

economy is, quote, turning a corner. but official figures show it shrank by 0.3% at the end of last year following a penod end of last year following a period of decline in the previous three months. the definition, of course, of a recession. it's the first time the uk's has dropped since the uk's gdp has dropped since the uk's gdp has dropped since the first of 2020, after the first half of 2020, after the first half of 2020, after the first half of 2020, after the first covid lockdown, and mr hunt there's light at hunt insists there's light at the the tunnel. here's the end of the tunnel. here's what say . what he had to say. >> we always expected growth to be weaker while we prioritise tackling inflation. that means higher interest rates and that's the right thing to do because you can't have a long terme. healthy growth with high inflation, but also families inflation, but also for families when the when there's a cost of living crisis , that's when the living crisis, that's when the cost of their weekly is cost of their weekly shop is going cost of their weekly shop is goiitheir energy bills much higher. >> the right thing to do. >> it's the right thing to do. >> it's the right thing to do. >> the underlying picture here is an economy that is more resilient than most people predicted. >> inflation is coming down. >> inflation is coming down. >> real wages have been going up now for six months and if we stick to our guns , independent stick to our guns, independent forecasters say that by the early summer we could start to

see interest rates falling . see interest rates falling. >> cole hunt's dull as dishwater, isn't he ? joining me dishwater, isn't he? joining me now is economist and co—founder of investment advisers. you can hear him laughing in the background regionally, justin urquhart stewart. justin, let's be frank. the tories need to go for growth. and liz truss right? >> oh, but what she's saying was right is how she went about it. that was wrong. of course we're going to have to have growth. you a growing going to have to have growth. you you'rea growing going to have to have growth. you you're going inghave economy. you're going to have serious of serious trouble indeed. but of course, also course, remember, this is also a global the moment. all global issue at the moment. all go into europe. >> economies there >> you'll find economies there very, very frankly with very, very flat. frankly with yields up 1.1 or or down, yields up 1.1 or 0.3 or down, they get revised in three months time anyway. >> nearly different. >> so what you could do is longer tum trend and it's lower slower growth. they need to slower growth. what they need to do now the one word that do now is get the one word that runs economy confidence runs an economy, a confidence that confidence in say where that the confidence in say where is the growth occurring . and i is the growth occurring. and i know growing. you'd know where it's growing. you'd see around mostly see it. it's around mostly technology companies around those hubs. >> find silicon >> you'll find silicon roundabout, silicon glen fen, call it what you like and these are high tech internet

businesses often get bought up by overseas because we don't fund them properly. so we've good on technology. >> at actually >> we're good at actually starting. businesses were rotten at growing. at actually growing. >> can i just raise one point with from figures ? with you from these gdp figures? >> i as far as i'm >> so i mean, as far as i'm concerned, blows the concerned, it blows apart the age tale that age old wives tale that immigration beneficial to the immigration is beneficial to the economy because gdp per head contracted by nought point 7. thus, despite net migration figures of what, 745,000 in 2022, 672,000, in the 12 months to june last year. 2022, 672,000, in the 12 months to june last year . a city the to june last year. a city the size of birmingham every two years. yet gdp per head is contracting . contracting. >> yep. and what you're also seeing with this is a number of people who, after the pandemic, didn't go back work again. didn't go back to work again. they've whatever they've decided for whatever reason, opting it. >> we're opting out of it. they got taste the good life here. >> this is where you need to incentivise people to incentivise those people to get back start back in to and start participating. are participating. if people are working paying tax, working, they're paying tax, they're paying the they're paying tax. the government's happier. you've got to the economy, to actually boost the economy, not cuts . get the not by tax cuts. get the incentives there. >> people can invest in >> so people can invest in businesses and they get will get

tax benefits on it. >> we've got something like that now. the enterprise investment scheme, but it's quite small, will on regional will now do that on a regional basis. no shortage of basis. there's no shortage of money. therefore you actually then get then region you're going to get more investment, create more jobs. more investment, create more jobs . and they're jobs. and whether they're immigrants domestic , well, immigrants or domestic, well, frankly, guys and immigrants or domestic, well, frankand guys and immigrants or domestic, well, frankand girls guys and immigrants or domestic, well, frankand girls are guys and immigrants or domestic, well, frankand girls are already and guys and girls are already there. so get them trained into there. so get them trained into the those areas . the into those areas. >> layman's terms, >> so just in layman's terms, justin, no cuts for justin, why no tax cuts for growth ? growth? >> tax cuts don't really have much of an impact because what you is you've the you find is you've got the wealthy tax cut. wealthy people get a tax cut. they're going save they're probably going to save it it's going it actually, if it's going to be at end the scale, at the lower end of the scale, guarantee will guarantee that they will actually spend actually go out and spend it because they need to know what you need get you need to do is get the confidence back in there. so businesses attracting businesses are attracting more investment , attract more investment, attract more investment, attract more investment funnily investment there. funnily enough, business will, enough, actually business will, you know, further business from overseas you get overseas comes in. so you get that people are that idea that people are feeling actually it's not quite as as we thought it was. as bad as we thought it was. yes, the figures are are not are not that encouraging but not in that encouraging but actually of this, actually underlying all of this, there are growth areas. focus on those tax cuts to the wealthy.

well it may sound like a good highlight, doesn't help highlight, but it doesn't help the i just get thoughts >> can i just get your thoughts on this clip that rishi sunak put days ago? it was put out some days ago? it was explaining people about explaining to, to people about why we had inflation, why the economy is doing quite badly. um and we're just trying to get it now. so i don't know if you saw it, sunak at a it, but it was sunak at a whiteboard. being very whiteboard. yeah. um, being very patronising , i say so patronising, if i may say so myself. a massive circle saying, well, take a look. we've well, let's take a look. we've got the clip. got it. i i wanted to talk you little bit to talk to you a little bit about going on the about what's going on in the economy plan that we're economy and the plan that we're working towards. >> i wanted to >> but before then, i wanted to take the context take you back to the context that ourselves in. we that we found ourselves in. we all remember covid and the enormous it had on all of enormous impact it had on all of us. of that, we did us. and because of that, we did a lot of things to get the country through covid, like supporting the nhs vaccine programme, furlough . those programme, furlough. those things cost around £400 billion, with all the other support we provided and just as we were recovering from covid, we saw a war when russia invaded ukraine. that meant that everyone's energy bills went up . but all of

energy bills went up. but all of these things meant that we saw high inflation and that's what caused all the pressure with the cost of living . cost of living. >> so he's been accused of gaslighting the public with that clip. and also, i have a question as well for you, the expert. he doesn't mention quantitative easing printing money going money like it's going out of fashion. course, fashion. the us, of course, printed a third their entire printed a third of their entire money in just was about a money supply in just was about a year 12 is he gaslighting the public? >> well, mean , he's making up >> well, i mean, he's making up excuses that you actually know where the problems where are where are the problems here. to come up here. and he's trying to come up with idea to we with a simple idea as to how we can control it. this is can try and control it. this is a global issue as much as anything we with anything else. what we saw with inflation coming was not consumer old british consumer demand. the old british form of inflation will be people are much they are spending too much and they ended putting up rates. the ended up putting up rates. the bank rates for bank of england put up rates for something can't control, something they can't control, just interest rates just putting up interest rates does not affect the supply chain coming china . and because coming out of china. and because we're position where the we're in a position where the supply so taut that supply routes were so taut that one tanker getting stuck in the suez and the whole thing suez canal and the whole thing stops, the banking bank stops, should the banking bank

of england up rates of england have put up rates harder and faster, should harder and faster, it should have rates up ago to have popped rates up ages ago to a long terme level. but because remember, these were emergency rates in when we rates that came in and when we had crisis, what had the banking crisis, what they doing is they should be doing now is telling are going telling us the rates are going to be coming down, inflation is coming down and therefore in a position give them coming down and therefore in a positi

. it comes as lord cameron warned of consequences for russia this morning as vigils and protests were held across the world in support of vladimir putin's most vocal critic . putin's most vocal critic. crowds gathered outside the russian embassy in london, laying tributes and demanding the russian president be held accountable for his death. the foreign office summoned russian diplomats last night, foreign office summoned russian diplomats last night , though the diplomats last night, though the ambassador was reportedly too ill to attend with the deputy sent instead . those gathered at sent instead. those gathered at the munich security conference voiced their fury , with voiced their fury, with officials from the us, eu and nato laying blame on putin, while the ukrainian president called for more international assistance for his country's war with moscow . in other news, with moscow. in other news, a third of small boat arrivals since 2018 have taken place, while rishi sunak was prime minister. that's according to new analysis by the labour party. they say it's proof the government's focus on the rwanda plan isn't enough to solve the crisis . the government insists crisis. the government insists its policies are working with the number of crossings last

year down more than a third compared to a year earlier. year down more than a third compared to a year earlier . and compared to a year earlier. and farmers in kent are staging a protest at a tesco supermarket. furious at what they say are cheap, international imports . cheap, international imports. around 20 tractors are parked at tesco extra in whitfield, near doven tesco extra in whitfield, near dover. they're aiming to raise awareness of what they fear could be a threat to britain's food security . see, they say food security. see, they say they can't compete with cheap foreign imports and unless something is done, british farmers won't be able to afford to feed the british . public. and to feed the british. public. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news dot common alerts now it's back to ben . now it's back to ben. >> thanks for fear. now remember. remember you guys at home? you can get in touch about all of the topics we've been discussing today emailing me discussing today by emailing me gb views gb news. com or message me our socials. we're at gb

me on our socials. we're at gb news. quite keenly want to get news. i quite keenly want to get your thoughts on prince harry potentially coming into the potentially coming back into the royal than years. royal fold less than four years. of course, after did, of course, after he did, a runner meghan to california runner with meghan to california . and of course, trump's . and of course, donald trump's massive fine in america the massive fine in america has the justice system over there been politicised , that massive fine politicised, that massive fine for allegedly defrauding the banks when the banks basically said that he had no case to answer elsewhere coming up on today's show, we'll be live on the thousands of the ground. thousands of pro—palestine supporters are marching in central london, calling an immediate calling for an immediate ceasefire gaza . we'll be ceasefire in gaza. we'll be there, live all of that and more to on. ben elliott, and to come on. ben elliott, and you're and listening you're watching and listening to gb britain's news channel .

across s you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. >> welcome back to gb news saturday. >> you're with me, ben leo on tv, online and digital radio. should we get stuck into some of your emails? uh, says your emails? uh, john says labour have said they will not have a cap on the number of

people can apply for asylum people who can apply for asylum if they in people if they get in power. people who enter country illegally are enter this country illegally are getting up hostels or getting put up in hostels or brand blocks, and brand new apartment blocks, and houses are being bought for them, of british them, uh, ahead of british families. you're families. i think you're referring that story referring to john, that story from the other day about the home up 16,000 home office snapping up 16,000 homes to house some 60,000 asylum seekers, despite that, around 4 million brits needing homes . uh, james says harry and homes. uh, james says harry and meghan will never be accepted back as part of the uk royal family. myself or the family. by myself or the majority of my friends and most of in the of the patriotic people in the uk. since leaving the royal family uk, done family and the uk, they've done nothing this nothing to promote or help this country no recognise country. i no longer recognise him prince of the uk. it's him as prince of the uk. it's pretty strong. royal pretty strong. all the royal family. hard to disagree family. it's hard to disagree there. james we've had years and years of constant slanging. so yeah , you have to judge people yeah, you have to judge people by their content of their character and not what they say. uh, should we get stuck into these pro—palestine , uh, these pro—palestine, uh, palestine process? suella braverman of course, some weeks ago, call them hate marches, but there's one taking place again in london today , uh, calling for

in london today, uh, calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza . an immediate ceasefire in gaza. the protesters, speak , are the protesters, as we speak, are filling the streets of the caphal filling the streets of the capital, waving palestinian filling the streets of the capiteand aving palestinian filling the streets of the capiteand holdinglestinian filling the streets of the capiteand holding placards flags and holding placards calling for palestinian freedom and an end to the war in gaza. and i might add, by the way, you're probably going to find 1 or 2, um, idiots waving pro—hamas pro—houthi rebel pro—hamas or pro—houthi rebel placards or flags as well. joining me now is, uh, gb news reporter will hollis, who's on the ground in london. well good afternoon, my friend. what's going on? well, there's expected to be hundreds of thousands of people here joining this march. today. it's the ninth global day of action global because this kind of a march is happening across the entire world, not just happening here in the capital city, london, and where we are right now is just on the edge of hyde park . and you can edge of hyde park. and you can see in the background that there are literally hundreds, thousands of people passing us right one right now. and this is just one small of a very long small section of a very long parade that is snaking down

towards the israeli embassy . towards the israeli embassy. now, this has been organised by the stop the war coalition and also the palestine solidarity campaign. now, why is it important that they're heading towards the israeli embassy? well, they're they're calling for an immediate ceasefire and they've been doing so every month or so since those attacks took place on the 7th of october, where around 1200 people were killed in israel by hamas. since then, though, 28,000 people have been killed in the conflict since may, most of them palestinian men, women and children. as israel goes into gaza strip trying to, as they would say, wipe out hamas because they say that you can't have peace without wiping out hamas. so what you can see right now front is a sea of now in front of us is a sea of palestinian flags. red black, white and green . and they're white and green. and they're heading down park lane right now. what you'll also be able to see is a lot of yellow jackets, because that's the police. now, the commander of this particular

protest, the met police officer in charge , says that the in charge, says that the conflict in the middle east continues to have a polarising and profound effect on the capital city. there are 1500 police patrolling the streets of the capital today, and that includes for things like football. but the commander says that there is a lot of them that are specifically on this are working specifically on this protest. now, as you said, ben in the intro, what they're mainly looking for is anything that incites hatred , anything that incites hatred, anything that incites hatred, anything that racism or glorifies that incites racism or glorifies the proscribed terrorist organisation, which is hamas. this week we saw that go to the court. those three people convicted of terror charges for displaying paragliders on their bodies as well on placards. so they've actually been giving out flyers to tell people what is within the law and what isn't. they said you can have a voice , they said you can have a voice, you can protest, you can let people know you think, but you can protest, you can let pe0|can't|ow you think, but you can protest, you can let pe0|can't incite you think, but you can protest, you can let pe0|can't incite racism think, but you can protest, you can let pe0|can't incite racism or nk, but you can't incite racism or hatred. now why is this all particularly important this week, ben? well, in parliament,

we're going to be seeing another vote on a ceasefire as the snp puts forward that motion and a lot of eyes will be on keir starmer and whether he'll be telling his mps to abstain in that vote on the ground in london. thanks very much. it's almost like a lottery every saturday afternoon, isn't it? how many people are going to be nicked you know, pulled up nicked or, you know, pulled up for, for spewing, hate ful for, for spewing, uh, hate ful rhetoric? let's to scotland , rhetoric? let's go to scotland, where our scottish reporter tony maguire is reporting on the pro—palestine march up there . pro—palestine march up there. um, is it the case that that march is going to end up or at least pass the scottish labour conference yes, tony. >> yes . good afternoon. that is >> yes. good afternoon. that is indeed the case. i'm here at the scottish event centre on the clyde side of glasgow , and this clyde side of glasgow, and this is where the march is headed from about 1:00 this afternoon. scottish palestinian solidarity campaign protesters are going to march from the centre of glasgow here to the clyde side, where the scottish labour conference has been happening. now.

yesterday anas sarwar scottish labour leader , he gave a rousing labour leader, he gave a rousing 70 minute speech in which he called again for an immediate ceasefire and he urged everybody to be able to separate the people of gaza as well from hamas as well as the people of israel, from benjamin netanyahu's government, which he said neither of those groups want peace whatsoever. now, um, here at scottish labour conference today , a motion was conference today, a motion was passed that support would support a ceasefire. um, and the vote and certainly the snp were out early this morning campaigning for scottish labour to whip . essentially the two to whip. essentially the two labour mp mps north of the border here. and that vote when it hits the commons next week. now we're still a little while away from seeing the protest that, um, arrive here at the sec at the minute. the loudest group and unfortunately , is the groups

and unfortunately, is the groups heading into the wedding show, which is happening behind me . which is happening behind me. but needless to say, a large police scotland presence here to make sure that no civilians or any of the delegates that the labour party are caught in any kind of altercations so far, peaceful here. but it's early days in glasgow . days in glasgow. >> tony mcguire in scotland. thanks very much. it's a great advert, isn't it, for, uh, for london, come to london, come shopping down oxford street or come and enjoy yourself somewhere down regent street and fill your boots. but i'll maybe not. there's thousands of people waving palestinian flags you waving palestinian flags and you know , as said, supporting know, as i said, some supporting the houthis or hamas in the process . uh, right. this the houthis or hamas in the process. uh, right. this is gb news saturday with me, ben leo. lots more coming up on today's show, including striker show, including french striker and wonderkid mbappe. he and wonderkid kylian mbappe. he says he to leave paris says he wants to leave paris saint—germain this summer, but will see the cup winner will we see the world cup winner in league? hopefully in the premier league? hopefully at arsenal all of that and more to come. you're watching, listening to gb news, britain's news channel .

news radio. >> hello, my friends. welcome back to gb news saturday with me, ben liu, on your tv, online and digital radio. let's get stuck into some sports, shall we? and no, better to do that with than resident sport expert aidan magee. good to see you, ben. how are you? i'm fine. how are well, thank are you? yeah. very well, thank you. i'm hoping you're going to bnng you. i'm hoping you're going to bring some good about bring me some good news about kylian arsenal. >> f— >> well, it was interesting because mikel arteta was speaking this week, speaking about it this week, wasn't and didn't wasn't he, ben? and he didn't close potential close the door on a potential for now i think it's very for a bid. now i think it's very much of got nothing to much kind of he's got nothing to lose linking arsenal lose by linking. linking arsenal with because he with the player because if he says not, we're not says i'm not, we're not interested. we don't want be interested. we don't want to be part of the conversation on it says, are going? says, well, where are you going? where get where are you going to get a striker because striker from then? because everyone need everyone knows arsenal need a strike. one this strike. if they have one this season, think be 5 or 6 season, i think they'd be 5 or 6 points premier points clear in the premier league but league title race. but realistically, i was realistically, if i was a betting they're betting man, i'd say they're probably get probably about 10 to 1 to get it. i think odds on favourites

have to be madrid, partly have to be real madrid, partly because cause they're the only ones enough wage ones with a balmy enough wage structure to even contemplate the kind numbers. the kind of numbers. yes, he's going transfer the kind of numbers. yes, he's going at transfer the kind of numbers. yes, he's going at tof|sfer the kind of numbers. yes, he's going at tof his' because at the end of his contract. the signing fee because at the end of his contracould the signing fee because at the end of his contracould be re signing fee because at the end of his contracould be insigning fee because at the end of his contracould be in excess fee because at the end of his contracould be in excess of fee because at the end of his contracould be in excess of £1e alone could be in excess of £1 million. so the signing on fee alone could excess of £130 alone could be in excess of £130 million, wages could million, while the wages could be around £1.1 million per week a week , a week, a million a a week, a week, a million a week. that's more than you get here. >> there isn't. yeah, right there on our screens now. there is. on our screens now. yes. well that's messy there, but there is. that's but there it is. yeah. that's right. good. right. explain why he's so good. is the best player in is he still the best player in the those maybe the world? for those who maybe don't i don't follow football so much i don't. >> best player in the world to me be striker me can really be a striker because doesn't. it's not because it doesn't. it's not a position where you show full position where you show the full range we of the grades, we when we think of the grades, we think midfielders, think of midfielders, playmakers, platini, zidane and anyone who anyone else you can think of who played in diego maradona, for example, weren't really out and out . however, he won out strikers. however, he won the world cup at 18 in in russia with france in 2018. but i don't really think you can be considered the best player in the world irrespective of your position. if you've only played your league football france, your league football in france, it's the third or

it's probably the third or fourth europe . to fourth best league in europe. to really your mettle and really prove your mettle and really prove your mettle and really that you've done it, really show that you've done it, you do messi and you need to do what messi and ronaldo have done. you need to have either the have played in either the premier league in england or in spain, or preferably both. premier league in england or in spéronaldo, ferably both. premier league in england or in spé ronaldo, ferably way,. premier league in england or in spéronaldo, ferably way,. my >> ronaldo, by the way, is my favourite ever player. a massive ronaldo, of ronaldo, ronaldo every day of the week. is more gifted. the week. messi is more gifted. he's he's got god's gift. he's got, he's got god's gift. >> you mean r9? >> you mean r9? >> yeah yeah okay, fine. >> you mean r9? >> so yeah yeah okay, fine. >> you mean r9? >> so uh ah yeah okay, fine. >> you mean r9? >> so uh yeah ah okay, fine. >> you mean r9? >> so uh yeah that'sy, fine. >> you mean r9? >> so uh yeah that's fine. e. >> you mean r9? >> so uh yeah that's fine. £1 yeah. so uh yeah that's fine. £1 million a week though. i mean, is going to be a world? is that going to be a world? >> it could be. >> it could be. >> could more. well, we >> it could be more. well, we don't know. we don't necessarily know when talk don't know. we don't necessarily know wages, when talk don't know. we don't necessarily know wages, oftenien talk don't know. we don't necessarily know wages, often a] talk don't know. we don't necessarily know wages, often a guess, lk about wages, it's often a guess, a guesstimate game by journalists. mean not. journalists. i mean it's not. the is the details the reality is that the details of, especially of, of contracts, especially when the club or when they make the club bad or look a little bit look bad or look a little bit profligate, you don't really get an accurate number. yeah, an accurate number. but yeah, i mean, up mean, it would certainly be up there. no question it. there. no question about it. >> think ever >> well, i don't think it's ever going happen, but let's hope going to happen, but let's hope he he said he said, well he said he said he said let's want be part of said let's we want to be part of the conversation. said let's we want to be part of the conv(thinkin. i think >> but i think yeah, i think i think, i think you can say that when, know, player's when, you know, the player's going madrid. yeah, sure. >> okay. shall we move to on sir chris yes. got a he's chris hoy? yes. he's got a he's come that he's,

come out and said that he's, he's fighting cancer. hasn't he's fighting cancer. he hasn't been on though been too specific on what though has he. >> no, been circum >> no, no he's been quite circum spect that. didn't say spect about that. he didn't say what exactly the type of cancer he was, which it difficult he was, which makes it difficult even amateur sleuth to even for an amateur sleuth to make any estimations as to what the prognosis might but he's the prognosis might be. but he's undergone chemotherapy , rather undergone chemotherapy, rather chillingly for the sake chillingly said, for the sake of my family, i had hoped to my young family, i had hoped to keep information private, keep this information private, but regrettably hand has but regrettably our hand has been thankful been forced. while i'm thankful for thankful for support i'd for thankful for any support i'd like with privately like to deal with this privately so suggests to me that so it suggests to me that someone on verge someone was on the verge of revealing the news, and felt revealing the news, and he felt he had jump the gun tell he had to jump the gun to tell everyone he was everyone about it. and so he was diagnosed as i say , diagnosed last year. as i say, chemotherapy, it's going be chemotherapy, it's going to be very he did very invasive, but he did say he'd he'd hopeful of doing he'd be he'd be hopeful of doing some some commentary. duty for the olympics summer i >>i kl- b that that little note >> i read that that little note about forced, and about his hand being forced, and it would suggest that a it would suggest that maybe a newspaper someone , it was newspaper or someone, it was thinking running the story. thinking of running the story. but worked in newspapers but i've worked in newspapers for a, i was at for years. i was at a, i was at the for likewise. yeah, the sun for likewise. yeah, yeah. they can't just print yeah. so they can't just print stories people's health? stories about people's health? >> no. >> no. >> it needs to be 20 years ago.

they can't anymore. they don't . they can't anymore. they don't. >> look, mean, we don't >> yeah. look, i mean, we don't know. i mean, know. you're right. i mean, i don't know, he could be talking about something else. he's not actually actually actually he's not actually specifically actually he's not actually specifi itlly actually he's not actually specifi it could be it could be mean, it could be it could be a rogue account on social media or something. know, just we something. you know, we just we just don't know. he was just don't know. but he was talking about privacy and, uh, but, he he talking about privacy and, uh, but,quite he he talking about privacy and, uh, but,quite upbeat he he talking about privacy and, uh, but,quite upbeat aboute he talking about privacy and, uh, but,quite upbeat about it. he talking about privacy and, uh, but,quite upbeat about it. he he was quite upbeat about it. he said going said the chemotherapy is going well. he said it's an exciting year ahead, least year of work ahead, not least with july. with the paris olympics in july. i wait stuck in, i can't wait to get stuck in, have share it all with have fun and share it all with you. surrounded you. and he said he's surrounded with love to with love and we'd all love to be in position. be in that position. >> just to show no >> it just goes to show no matter you you know, matter who you are, you know, sir hoy, a great olympian, sir chris hoy, a great olympian, absolutely a fiddle. >> oh, i mean, goodness me. look, at list. look, look, look at the list. look, look, look at the list. look the of achievements look, look, look at the list. look i the of achievements look, look, look at the list. look i mean, of achievements look, look, look at the list. look i mean, you achievements look, look, look at the list. look i mean, you know, lements look, look, look at the list. look i mean, you know, uh,ents look, look, look at the list. look i mean, you know, uh, won here. i mean, you know, uh, won silver in sydney part silver in sydney as part of a team gold athens, silver in sydney as part of a team at gold athens, silver in sydney as part of a team at beijing, gold athens, silver in sydney as part of a team at beijing, golat athens, silver in sydney as part of a team at beijing, golat london s, three at beijing, two at london 2012. most 2012. i mean, the most successful track cyclist of all time, successful track cyclist of all tim uh, roy hodgson, crystal >> uh, roy hodgson, crystal palace manager. he's been taken ill, hasn't he? >> yeah, he has actually. he's on verge of being sacked on the verge of being sacked this still in this weekend. so he's still in hospital far know, hospital as far as we know, undergoing awaiting undergoing tests. we're awaiting a palace. a statement from crystal palace. i they'll something a statement from crystal palace.

i today.�*ll something a statement from crystal palace. i today.�*ll s(yeah,ing a statement from crystal palace. i today. �*ll s(yeah, i g later today. uh, but yeah, i mean, going mean, it's difficult. he's going to mean, can they to get sacked. i mean, can they sack club while he's sack a club legend while he's lying there hospital? lying there in hospital? it's a little bit unedifying, isn't it? a crass, you a little bit crass, but, you know, they got a game at know, they got a game on at everton have everton on monday. they may have to. to everton. >> are they away to everton. >> are they away to everton. >> indeed. yeah >> they are indeed. yeah >> they are indeed. yeah >> and haven't won >> and they haven't won in how many it is they many games. uh it is they haven't many games. uh it is they havin't many games. uh it is they havi think it's three games. >> i think it's three games. three, last three, three wins in the last 19. likewise hodgson you know >> likewise hodgson you know he's with he's had a bad spell with palace but a great bad. but he's a great bad. >> yeah. bad injuries bad injuries. >> former england manager inter milan. but milan. he's a he's a legend. but absolutely mason united's well played from 1880. >> exactly. yeah. top man aidan magee thank you so much for your expertise. >> uh, you're watching and listening saturday listening to gb news saturday with leo. two more with me. ben. leo. two more hours still come. lucky hours still to come. you lucky people, including a judge, has ruled president ruled that former us president donald pay nearly donald trump must pay nearly £281 million to new york for state lying about the values of his properties. says his properties. he says he's been up. it certainly been stitched up. it certainly looks like that. uh, first, let's take a look at the weather with craig. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsor of weather on . gb

news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. >> i'm craig snell looking ahead for the rest of this weekend. >> we will see a band of heavy rain across the country. rain move across the country. it's courtesy of these it's all courtesy of these weather fronts and they will just gradually spread way eastward. >> but with winds coming in from the southwest, is going be the southwest, it is going to be a mild weekend for all of us. so so this evening we can see the rain in the rain working its way in from the west. outbreaks of west. some heavy outbreaks of rain in it. so we do rain embedded in it. so we do have some warnings in force across parts of england. and wales. so there will be some fairly difficult driving conditions travelling conditions if you are travelling overnight tonight, but it will be a mild one. temperatures for many staying in double figures across the south and these temperatures really are where we should be during course should be during the course of the night the day, not the night time. this time year. so a bit of a this time of year. so a bit of a slow start southeastern slow start across southeastern england. still rain england. still some heavy rain here, should dry up here, but it should dry up towards and for most towards lunchtime and for most of us it will be a brighter day. the better day of the two. but there still be a few

there will still be a few showery outbreaks of rain around, especially during the middle of the day. for middle part of the day. but for all of us, a mild one. temperatures in the south potentially reaching 15 or 16 degrees. having a look at monday, another spell of rain will move its way across the country. either side, there will be some drier and brighter moments and again will be moments and again it will be feeling fairly mild for the time of year . tuesday wednesday again of year. tuesday wednesday again remaining fairly changeable. further of rain, further spells of rain, especially during the middle of the temperatures for the week. but temperatures for all staying in double all of us staying in double figures day . figures by day. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers spot of weather up. boxt boilers spot of weather on gb news as

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digital radio. i'll keep you up to date on the stories that really matter to you, including coming up hour. labour coming up this hour. labour leader sir keir starmer says people are ready to put people are now ready to put their in a changed labour their faith in a changed labour party that follows the double win wellingborough win in wellingborough and kingswood elections win in wellingborough and kingswoodbutelections win in wellingborough and kingswood but rishi ons win in wellingborough and kingswoodbut rishi sunak , win in wellingborough and kingswood but rishi sunak , the yesterday. but rishi sunak, the prime the tories prime minister, says the tories and reform should unite to and reform uk should unite to beat starmer. we'll be debating if he's right fairly shortly . if he's right fairly shortly. then some might have thought that support for these so—called hate marchers would have waned by now, but they've been going on months . on for four consecutive months. thousands of pro—palestine supporters are marching in central london today, calling for immediate ceasefire in for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. for an immediate ceasefire in gaza . we'll be there, live on gaza. we'll be there, live on the ground , and this got the ground, and this one's got the ground, and this one's got the stirring as prince the inbox stirring as prince harry gives his first interview the inbox stirring as prince harry seeingtis first interview the inbox stirring as prince harry seeing his irst interview the inbox stirring as prince harry seeing his father erview the inbox stirring as prince harry seeing his father andew the inbox stirring as prince harry seeing his father and his since seeing his father and his cancer diagnosis. he's hinted that the king's health battles could heal the rift within the royal family. so i'm asking today , are we heading for today, are we heading for a blockbuster royal reconciliation

. thanks for being with me today. as i said, the inbox is going wild for these prince harry uh, message about his potential. um entry back into the royal family pat says very bluntly. pat if harry's welcome back, i would vote for a republic. linda says after all the awful things he said about the awful things he said about the royal family, harry should stay well away. he appears to have a very high opinion of himself and andy, on the palatine process, says as much as i agree to the right to protest, these palestinian supporters are no better than just stop oil and extinction rebellion . now remember, this rebellion. now remember, this show is nothing without you and your views. let me know your thoughts on all the stories thoughts on all of the stories we'll discussing email we'll be discussing today. email me gbviews@gbnews.uk . com or of me gbviews@gbnews.uk. com or of course, message me our course, message me on our socials i'll keeping a keen socials. i'll be keeping a keen eye them , but now, here's eye on them, but for now, here's the sofia . the news with sofia. >> thanks, ben. good afternoon.

it's 1:01. i'm >> thanks, ben. good afternoon. it's1:01. i'm sofia wenzel in the gb newsroom. your top story this hour. they'll be consequences for the death of alexei navalny. that was the warning from the foreign secretary as he met foreign ministers from the g7 in munich today. they took part in a minute's silence after vigils and protests were held across the world in support of vladimir putin's most vocal critic, lord cameron's comments were backed by sir keir starmer as crowds gathered outside the russian embassy in london laying tributes and demanding the russian president held russian president be held accountable for death . those accountable for his death. those gathered the munich security gathered at the munich security conference voiced their fury with officials from the us, eu and nato laying blame on putin. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy told the conference. the russian leader is a thug who must be stopped after the murder of alexei navalny . of alexei navalny. >> it's absurd to perceive putin as a supposedly legitimate head of a russian . state and he is

of a russian. state and he is a thug who maintains power through corruption and violence , coming corruption and violence, coming to his so—called . inauguration, to his so—called. inauguration, sheikh his hand considering him an equal means to disdain the very nature of political power . very nature of political power. >> meanwhile, the reaction across russian controlled media to alexei navalny's death has been minimal, with scant detail and little context about who he was. but it's attracted more attention online, trending on some social media platforms as people were cautioned against taking part in mass gatherings. though with police detaining at least 212 protesters, officers were seen this morning removing floral tributes to mr navalny, ensuring there's little evidence of the support he might have had. marina litvinenko is the widow of alexander litvinenko, a former russian spy who was poisoned in london. she told gb news that the world must consider whether vladimir putin can be allowed to continue his brutal regime .

brutal regime. >> do you accept putin as a leader of the country ? do you leader of the country? do you believe you can negotiate with this regime? do you believe you can trust ? and this is a very can trust? and this is a very important and i think we will have not another chance to make any change for what is happening now to russia and what is happening to ukraine in other news, the third of small boat arrivals since 2018 have taken place. >> while rishi sunak was prime minister. that's to according new analysis by the labour party . that's after 52 people reported he crossed the channel by small boat yesterday, meaning there's been just over 38,500 arrivals since mr sunak became prime minister. shadow home secretary yvette cooper said it was proof of the government's focus on its rwanda plan isn't enough solve the crisis , as enough to solve the crisis, as the government insists its policies are working with the number of crossings last year down more than a third compared to a year earlier , farmers in

to a year earlier, farmers in kent are staging a protest at a tesco supermarket furious at what they say are cheap. international imports. around 20 tractors are parked at tesco extra in whitfield, near dover. they're aiming to raise awareness to what they fear could be a threat to britain's food security because of the unfair treatment of farmers by large retailers . they they large retailers. they say they can't , pete, with the cheap can't cope, pete, with the cheap foreign imports and unless something done, british something is done, british farmers won't be able to afford the feed to british public. donald trump has been ordered to pay donald trump has been ordered to pay 354.9 million usd in penalties for fraudulently inflating his net worth to dupe lenders . inflating his net worth to dupe lenders. he's also been banned from running any business in new york for three years. trump has denied any wrongdoing and called the case a political vendetta. this latest case comes as the former president appears to be cruising to the republican nomination, despite multiple other legal battles , and the other legal battles, and the duke of sussex is reportedly willing to step into a temporary royal role. while his father

undergoes cancer treatment , undergoes cancer treatment, according to reports in the times , harry is said to have times, harry is said to have told friends he's willing to cover some duties while his father recovers. it comes after prince harry hinted at possible reconciliation with his father dunng reconciliation with his father during an interview on american television . speaking to good television. speaking to good morning america, he said he was grateful for the time he spent with his father during a short visit last week . for the latest visit last week. for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts now it's back to ben . ben. >> thanks, sofia . let's have >> thanks, sofia. let's have another cracking hour, shall we? starting with the by—election bloodbath for the tories yesterday. labour leader sir keir starmer. he's reacted by saying that people are now ready to put their faith in a changed labour party following that double win wellingborough and double win in wellingborough and kingswood. minister kingswood. um, prime minister rishi sunak says that the circumstances facing the tories

are challenging a bit of an understatement, but insists labour doesn't have a plan. take a look at this. >> midterms by elections are always difficult for incumbent governments, and the circumstances of these by elections were, course, elections were, of course, particularly challenging . now, particularly challenging. now, i think if you look at the results, very low turnout and it shows that we've got work to do to show people that we are delivering on their priorities. and absolutely and that's what i'm absolutely determined to but shows and that's what i'm absolutely dete there d to but shows and that's what i'm absolutely dete there isn't but shows and that's what i'm absolutely dete there isn't huge shows that there isn't a huge amount of for the of enthusiasm for the alternative in keir starmer and the labour party. and that's because have a plan. because they don't have a plan. and if you don't plan, and if you don't have a plan, you can't deliver change. you can't deliver real change. and election and when the general election comes, that's message comes, that's the message i'll be country. be making to the country. stick with because is with our plan because it is starting deliver the change with our plan because it is startthe deliver the change with our plan because it is startthe countryar the change with our plan because it is startthe country wants change with our plan because it is startthe country wants and ge with our plan because it is startthe country wants and needs right. >> okay. joining me now is gb news reporter adam cherry. adam you're on the ground in wellingborough. actually rishi has a point there. he's saying that there's not enthusiasm, a new enthusiasm for labour. new found enthusiasm for labour. it's just that there's disillusionment with the tories in wellingborough. labour only got more seats than they did got 107 more seats than they did in 2019. he's right, isn't he

in 2019. so he's right, isn't he i >> partially , that tells a part >> partially, that tells a part of the story. yes. labour's vote in absolute terms stayed consistent 2019. what consistent with 2019. what happened was the conservatives absolutely haemorrhage votes all over place, both to reform over the place, both to reform some to labour and some to third parties, but also actually from people just sitting on their hands and refusing to vote at all you i've been here, all as you say, i've been here, this hometown, so it's this is my hometown, so it's nice back, i've been nice to be back, but i've been speaking day today speaking to people all day today and yesterday to find out in the aftermath of that, why did that happen ? why did they make the happen? why did they make the choices in that choices that they made in that election? seems to me election? and it seems to me that people are just so cynical and fed up that there's no point in at all. in voting for anyone at all. hence why labour's vote stays the . and in fact, i'm going the same. and in fact, i'm going to show you a few clips of that right this is what the right now. this is what the people have right now. this is what the peoplsaying have right now. this is what the peoplsaying me. have right now. this is what the peoplsaying me. this have right now. this is what the peoplsaying me. this morning been saying to me. this morning in response to the result yesterday. take a look at this . yesterday. take a look at this. >> conservative, mainly >> it's a conservative, mainly because , you know, the because, you know, the conservative actually conservative candidate actually lives mean, lives in wellingborough. i mean, that's important,

that's pretty important, especially deciding especially when you're deciding on could affect on policies that could affect wellingborough . you know, wellingborough. you know, you want to there to want to you want to be there to see the effects. you know, i mean she lives in london. see the effects. you know, i me gothe lives in london. see the effects. you know, i me got a lives in london. see the effects. you know, i me got a particularly|don. see the effects. you know, i me got a particularly like london. >> i'm very, pleased . >> i'm very, very pleased. >> i'm very, very pleased. >> i'm very, very pleased. >> i think it's an excellent result the town and, and i result for the town and, and i hope she's going to make lots of great hope she's going to make lots of gre i: hope she's going to make lots of gre i think we're, we're for >> i think we're, we're on for a winner. it's something new, winner. um, it's something new, something is good. um, i feel a >> change is good. um, i feel a bit sorry for peter bone . i bit sorry for peter bone. i think quite good mp . think he's been quite a good mp. uh, but he caught out, uh, but he got caught out, didn't way is . didn't he? that's the way it is. >> so this is the worst by—election excuse me? the lowest. the worst result in wellingborough for the tories in the constituency in the constituency's entire history . constituency's entire history. sorry. it's very, very bad. and it's interesting what rishi sunak said in that package you played at the top, which is this is a midtum by—election. well, it's not really. they're running out of time. the election year is year. it's in a few is this year. it's in a few months and warning are months and warning lights are flashing all over the place. this is a seat which has been conservative since 2005. if they can't win here, they are in

serious trouble . and internally serious trouble. and internally that's what mps telling me that's what mps are telling me too. they're not quite ready yet for against for some sort of putsch against sunak , but they're just very, sunak, but they're just very, very fatalistic. they feel defeated already and that is reflected in the mood here today from the constituents . from the constituents. >> adam, the writings on the wall. then it's argued for the tories . you know it's going to tories. you know it's going to be a wipe—out. so why don't they just go for a broke and quite frankly, just listen to what the people want and, uh, introduce some policies. people want and, uh, introduce some wrong policies. people want and, uh, introduce some wrong with policies. people want and, uh, introduce some wrong with them es. people want and, uh, introduce some wrong with them ?.. what's wrong with them? >> well, this is the point. the popular conservatives, danny craig, excuse me, the new conservative. there are so many of these groups, uh, danny krueger and miriam cates have written today saying, written a letter today saying, look, need to do something look, we need to do something like this, because at what like this, because look at what the voters are telling us. and yet here important yet here the important issues are . yet here the important issues are. immigration yet here the important issues are . immigration tax, cost of are. immigration tax, cost of living . but i think rishi sunak living. but i think rishi sunak is struggling to spin all these plates because he's worried about losing votes to labour, as he is doing not quite as many in this constituency, broadly

this constituency, but broadly speaking, he's haemorrhaging votes all over the place as i say. so um, he's going to have to pick a lane and as you say, perhaps he has to choose the right moment right lane. uh, at the moment he's reform to he's got he's got reform to worry well. so it's, worry about as well. so it's, it's taking it on all flanks and struggling any headway struggling to make any headway whatsoever. so a bit of an understatement. >> adam cherry in welling boro on the ground there. thanks very much. uh i'm joined now by a man. it's for being a liberal democrat in disguise. uh, i'll be amankona co—host of the saturday five, which is on tonight, by the way, 7 to 8 pm. tune in. and former labour advisor scarlett mccgwire albie , advisor scarlett mccgwire albie, let's start with i do tease let's start with you. i do tease you for not being a proper conservative. >> what a surprise. >> what a surprise. >> um, why don't the tories bite the bullet, save themselves and introduce some proper conservative policies , not least conservative policies, not least on migration pledge to cut legal migration and do something about the boats. turn them back, even back into australia. >> well, i will just remind you and our wonderful viewers and listeners that it is actually rishi sunak and james cleverly

who brought forward reforms who have brought forward reforms to immigration system to to our immigration system to actually bring down legal immigration in future years. >> and also so they have cut the small boat crossings by a third in one year. immigration was actually liberalised by priti patel and boris johnson after we left the european union. james cleverly and james cleverly and rishi sunak are correcting that. >> i don't argue, i don't disagree with the boris point, but to say that sunak and cleverly are reforming legal migration. there a forecast migration. there was a forecast the day that going the other day that we're going to like 400,000 to have something like 400,000 people year until the early people a year until the early 2030s. how is that reforming legal migration? >> well, that is too high. >> well, that is too high. >> let me be very clear about that. what was it last year? that. but what was it last year? i three quarters i believe it was three quarters of a million the very of a million because of the very liberalisation patel liberalisation that priti patel and johnson brought and boris johnson brought forward. it's going to take time to numbers to bring immigration numbers down high, which was down from that high, which was too high and obviously 300, 400 is much less than three quarters of a million. and it's going to take time to bring it down to levels which are acceptable. >> argue they've

>> yeah. well, i'd argue they've just lost the trust of conservative voters, know. just lost the trust of con: scarlett, voters, know. just lost the trust of consscarlett, um, s, know. just lost the trust of consscarlett, um, right know. just lost the trust of consscarlett, um, right . know. just lost the trust of consscarlett, um, right . let's. but scarlett, um, right. let's get to you. rishi sunak yesterday in the telegraph, he called on british conservatives to together and to quote, come together and unite. mention reform unite. he didn't mention reform by name, but it kind of under the surface was a call of arms for reform to drop out of it and everyone else to unite to beat your man, keir starmer. would that work? >> well, no, because for a start , i mean, most of the people in reform loathe the tories and in particular rishi sunak. >> so that's not going to be a coming together . even though coming together. even though nigel farage likes to play footsie with the tories, because obviously he'd like to be the tory leader. but seriously, for rishi to think that reform is his only problem, keir starmer is 20 points ahead of rishi sunak. i mean, that is something thatis sunak. i mean, that is something that is amazing. that isn't because of reform , right? that because of reform, right? that is because actually i'm afraid rishi and the tories are losers. >> what do you make of these wellingborough stats? the labour only got 107 more seats than

2019. meanwhile 107 votes. sorry. yeah meanwhile, the tories lost 24,000. so that vote, that tory vote didn't go to labour. >> no , no. that tory vote as >> no, no. that tory vote as youn >> no, no. that tory vote as your, uh, reporter said , went your, uh, reporter said, went all over the place and it stayed at home. >> actually, it stayed at home. >> actually, it stayed at home. >> they didn't turn up and that is because they're not going to go out and vote tory. i mean, that's a it's not that it's not that's a it's not that it's not that are going that all the tories are going to go labour even all of go over to labour or even all of them are going to go to reform, but actually the is that but actually the problem is that at moment you look at the at the moment you look at the conservative party and you have noidea conservative party and you have no idea what's going to happen next, it's just series of next, it's just a series of problems. yes , there are. and problems. so yes, there are. and there in wellingborough , they there in wellingborough, they might only have got 100 odd extra votes , but actually around extra votes, but actually around the country you do not get a 20% lead. do you mean you've got no idea what's going to happen next with conservatives? with the conservatives? >> how can say from >> how can you say that from a labour perspective, when every policy that keir starmer has put forward the house of forward reforming the house of lords, the 28 billion green

investment he has gone back on, he's back everything . he's gone back on everything. >> the conservatives have a plan .labour >> the conservatives have a plan . labour doesn't have a plan. >> this this is a line we have noidea >> this this is a line we have no idea what the conservative plan is. labour has a plan for growth. >> what is the plan? >> what is the plan? >> varne. >> varne. >> where's the 28 billion gone? >> where's the 28 billion gone? >> plan ? well, the problem >> the plan? well, the problem with the 28 billion is it now costs so much because of your wonderful it now wonderful liz truss. it now costs so much. >> but the economic situation is better now it was under liz truss. >> so that argument is null and void. >> actually i'll it doesn't >> actually i'll be it doesn't it still costs a fortune to borrow and that's the whole problem. the whole thing about the 28 billion it was the 28 billion was it was borrowing to invest. and now it costs an awful lot more to borrow , as everybody who has borrow, as everybody who has a mortgage in this country knows. so is liz truss response for interest rates being risen across the world in us and across the world in the us and also in europe? we know that because she crashed the economy, right? because the market's not left wingers, but the market's actually said we don't trust her anymore . we i mean, don't you

anymore. we i mean, don't you remember her? i do remember and you watched the pound just go down. >> scarlett ben knows this better than anyone. i am not a liz truss fan by any stretch of the imagination , but are you the imagination, but are you seriously saying that interest rates now would not be high if liz truss was never the prime minister? >> i don't think they'd be where they are now. >> but they'd still be >> but. but they'd still be higher than they before. >> but. but they'd still be hig they|an they before. >> but. but they'd still be hig they wouldn't. before. >> but. but they'd still be hig they wouldn't. be'they >> they wouldn't. they? they probably be 1. probably wouldn't be at 1. right. what i'm saying is, right. but what i'm saying is, is that actually you cannot you cannot go into an election saying this is what we're going to do, not knowing what's going to do, not knowing what's going to happen when you open the books. now, it might be wonderful . i perhaps wonderful. i mean, perhaps everything's going to be better and they're going be able to and they're going to be able to say, actually, we will able and they're going to be able to sa'borrow lly, we will able and they're going to be able to sa'borrow more,e will able and they're going to be able to sa'borrow more, but.l able and they're going to be able to sa'borrow more, but you able and they're going to be able to sa'borrow more, but you have to to borrow more, but you have to you to invest it. you have to borrow to invest it. right? and you have to be able to borrow at reasonable, at reasonable rates . reasonable rates. >> scarlet. i was quite >> and scarlet. so i was quite enjoying that ding dong. i enjoying that ding dong. so i let go at other. i hope let you go at each other. i hope you're it you're not too bruised, but it will feel sorry for him. >> we'll sir keir starmer

feeling. >> be feeling a bit relieved this week, bearing in mind the anti anti semitism rouse all the u—turns. of course, the latest criticism for the £28 billion green pledge. he got through those two by elections, despite all that, is he going to be waking up this weekend you waking up this weekend and, you know, yourself to a bacon know, treat yourself to a bacon sarnie in celebration. he's going be waking up this going to be waking up this weekend when are we going weekend saying when are we going to have a general election? >> which i think most of us in the whatever the country agree of whatever political colour let's bring the election on. let's find out what the british people want . and the british people want. and then let's do something about it. instead of going on in this, you know, we know that there's probably going to be another tory mistake and there's going to be another by—election over some tory leaving. right. and labour's going to win it again. it's just going to go on and on and on. let's kill the pain. let's have a general election. let's have a general election. let's find out what people obe one last one with you, nigel farage hinted i think it was this or yesterday this morning or yesterday morning and when morning that, uh, if and when the tories annihilated at the tories are annihilated at the tories are annihilated at the election, might consider the election, he might consider swooping in like a vulture and

remoulding the party alongside the likes of jacob rees—mogg and priti patel, i suspect. >> what do you make of nigel at the helm of your party, the conservatives? well don't conservatives? well i don't think to happen. conservatives? well i don't thirnigel to happen. conservatives? well i don't thirnigel farage o happen. conservatives? well i don't thirnigel farage hastppen. conservatives? well i don't thirnigel farage has consistently >> nigel farage has consistently said a number of years, oh, said over a number of years, oh, i might join tory party this i might join the tory party this might happen. it's not happened. you'd the you'd have to get into the party. jacob rees—mogg, as much as him, might actually as i like him, might actually lose his seat at the next general how general election. that's how bad things so i think this idea moment. so i think this idea that nigel going to that nigel farage is going to come over the come over and take over the conservative party is quite frankly, not frankly, for the birds, not least because they're actually a lot of tories that like lot of tories that don't like nigel's politics. >> well, i've always argued with you, be time on you, i'll be time after time on saturday are no you, i'll be time after time on satuconservatives are no you, i'll be time after time on satuconservatives in are no you, i'll be time after time on satuconservatives in the are no real conservatives in the conservative party, and that's been problem. been their main problem. >> i think i think >> but i'm sure i think i think it's the it's for not you to tell the conservative party what they ought what they ought ought to, what they ought to believe in. >> going on there? >> well, what's going on there? how many behind the how many points behind in the polls? but they're they're polls? yeah, but they're they're about annihilated . about to get annihilated. >> not because they're >> that's not because they're not conservative. it's because they're they've got they're incompetent. they've got they're incompetent. they've got the they've got the divine right to in

to think they should be in power, not listened power, and they've not listened to their members. >> not listened to. >> they've not listened to. >> they've not listened to. >> was was johnson >> so ben was was boris johnson a conservative? >> so ben was was boris johnson a c> so ben was was boris johnson a c> so ben was was boris johnson a c> uh, he was at the start and he his head . he started he lost his head. he started going some deranged net going down some deranged net zero what about liz truss? >> she was she was elected by your only your members. your members only your members. >> liz truss was the greatest prime we were never prime minister. we were never allowed have. and that allowed to have. and on that point, going move on. point, we're going to move on. i'm the so i'll get that i'm the host, so i'll get that final there. alabama final point in there. alabama conor scarlett mccgwire, thank you of energy, you so much. lots of energy, lots please behave lots of passion. please behave in green room. nice scuffles in the green room. nice scuffles . now for all the best analysis and opinion on that story and more, to the website more, go to the website gb news.com catch more, go to the website gbnews.com catch us on gbnews.com and also catch us on our socials. you're watching and listening to gb news saturday with leo. more with me, ben, leo. lots more coming today's show , coming up on today's show, including thousands of pro—palestine supporters marching in central london today, calling for an immediate ceasefire gaza . we'll be back ceasefire in gaza. we'll be back there live, uh, and all of that. more to come. you're watching, listening to gb news, britain's news channel .

news radio. >> welcome back to gb news saturday with me, ben leo on your tv , online and on digital your tv, online and on digital radio. lots of you have been sending in your thoughts. radio. lots of you have been sending in your thoughts . uh, sending in your thoughts. uh, ben, not says the ben, not me, says the conservatives need to give us regular updates on how they're progressing out progressing with sorting out both migration both illegal and legal migration into this country. we are in despair over this matter, ben. i've said for yonks that we've got a conservative government that allows hundreds of thousands of people into the country legally, doesn't improve infrastructure off the back of it. and then you wonder why you can't appointments, or can't get gp appointments, or young can't houses young people can't buy houses and the birth collapses. so and the birth rate collapses. so i agree with you. my friend margaret on prince harry. margaret says on prince harry. harry take on some royal harry might take on some royal dufies harry might take on some royal duties while the king is undergoing treatment. nice gesture , but it wouldn't just gesture, but it wouldn't be just him. he i take it by she you him. she he i take it by she you mean meghan markle would want to be involved . and now know why be involved. and now we know why he father's side. he rushed to his father's side. um, know. i mean , if

um, i don't know. i mean, if your member was , uh, you your family member was, uh, you know, suffering a pretty grim diagnosis , this. surely you'd diagnosis, this. surely you'd be by side to see how they were by his side to see how they were doing. i think we've got to give harry . uh, harry credit on that front. uh, let's move on, shall we? let's go to the, uh. oh, go back to the, uh. oh, actually, gear . actually, let's change a gear. time for the great british giveaway. your chance to giveaway. this is your chance to win £18,000 in here's all win £18,000 in cash. here's all the details you need for a chance make that yours. chance to make that yours. >> still time to become >> there's still time to become the of our great british the winner of our great british giveaway . there's an incredible giveaway. there's an incredible £18,000 in cash to be won. totally tax free cash that you could do whatever you like with. that's like having an extra £1,500 in your bank account each month for a whole year. it could go towards your mortgage or rent, treats, or rent, buy monthly treats, or just send some of those day to day financial stresses . packing day financial stresses. packing for another chance to win £18,000 in tax free cash . text £18,000 in tax free cash. text gb win to 84 902. text cost £2 plus one standard network rate message or post your name and number to gb zero two. po box

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crowd building in size. the back of the protest that is heading straight down park lane, parallel to the edges of hyde park, and they're heading in one direction. that's because they're heading towards the israeli embassy. you can just see how many people there are. i know you just said it, but literally a sea of palestinian flags red, white, black and green. and we're right there in the middle of it right now. so this is organised by the stop the war coalition as well as the palestine solidarity campaign . palestine solidarity campaign. it's a global day of action. in fact, it's the ninth one since those attacks on october the 7th, when 1200 people were killed by hamas in israel and what they're calling for is a ceasefire. now, an immediate ceasefire. now, an immediate ceasefire. and they've been doing so since then. this is the ninth day of action, global action. so it's not just here in london. so what you're going to see, as well as a lot of people here, protesting is also a lot of police. and you can see a few here. ones are liaison here. these ones are liaison support they're

support officers. so they're supposed to work directly with the protesting. the people who are protesting. you'll also see a lot of yellow jackets, 1500 officers on patrol working for the met police today. not all of them for this, but a massive chunk of them. there is the commander of this particular protest from the met police. the man making sure the operation runs as smoothly, safely and legally as it should be. he described the conflict in the middle east as having a profound and polarising effect on policing. here in the capital city, those police that are working here are going to be looking for a couple of different things. they're going to be looking for people that might violence might be inside violence or hatred . um, they're hatred or racism. um, they're also going to be looking for people might be supporting people that might be supporting the terrorist the proscribed terrorist organisation, . now, we saw organisation, hamas. now, we saw that come to the courts this week, didn't we? three different people were in court at westminster and they westminster magistrates and they were charged and convicted of terrorism offences for displaying paragliders on their bodies and placards. and that was relating to the attacks . was relating to the attacks. what you'll see in the background, if you just look

over distance, is a over into the distance, is a red vehicle and that's massive vehicle and that's got a massive pole of it and pole sticking out of it and that's they're not that's cctv, because they're not just watching for people with the and of the police. the eyes and ears of the police. they're to using the eyes and ears of the police. they'rincluding to using the eyes and ears of the police. they'rincluding facial using cctv, including facial recognition, to look for people that may be are a wanted for already committing offences at these of protests. so these sorts of protests. so that's the policing side of it. let's do the politics side of it. this isn't just happening in isolation calling on isolation. they're calling on politicians, the politicians, particularly the two parties, the two main parties, the conservatives the government and laboun conservatives the government and labour. now, because what labour. right now, because what are we going to see this week? well, we're going to see a vote in snp bringing in parliament. the snp bringing that motion. we see that motion. and will we see labour ordering their mps to abstain? we'll see that later this week in westminster. abstain? we'll see that later thisyeah< in westminster. abstain? we'll see that later thisyeah a n westminster. abstain? we'll see that later thisyeah a big'estminster. abstain? we'll see that later thisyeah a big problem er. abstain? we'll see that later thisyeah a big problem for labour >> yeah a big problem for labour on that front. >> will hollis on the ground in london. thanks very much. let's go reporter tony go to our scotland reporter tony maguire . uh, there's another maguire. uh, there's another march up there north of the border, which i think passing border, which i think is passing the scottish the late. well, the scottish labour conference tony. >> yes that's correct. good afternoon. certainly the

thousands are already gathering in george square here in the centre of glasgow . and the plan centre of glasgow. and the plan is to march the short couple of miles here to the scottish event centre on the river clyde, now inside here today and yesterday was the scottish labour conference yesterday anas sarwar he gave his 70 minute mammoth speech, which he called again for an immediate ceasefire. he asked delegates to very carefully separate the actions of hamas from the gazan people, as well as the israeli people from benjamin netanyahu's government . now, he said, the government. now, he said, the peoples of both gaza and israel are desperate for peace, and thatis are desperate for peace, and that is what we as a nation should strive for. now, about a couple of hours ago, here at the conference, scottish labour delegates they voted in favour of to support a ceasefire . ahead of to support a ceasefire. ahead of to support a ceasefire. ahead of that crucial vote in the commons, commons next week. now snp have they've called on scottish labour to whip its

impressive two mps? north of the border to vote in favour of a ceasefire ? but the last time, if ceasefire? but the last time, if you remember, at the tail end of last year, there was a ceasefire, keir starmer, well, he lost ten frontbenchers and aides and a rebellion to that vote that vote didn't pass then. and those two scottish mps will they chose to abstain in that vote. um, but it seems to be that from the conference here, the vibe is very much in favour of a ceasefire. now, some of the language which anas sarwar has called semantics, he has used the words quite plainly, a sustained ceasefire. he has said that keir starmer has said the immediate end to fighting there might not be able to agree to the words, but he says that they certainly agree to the sentiment that at some point the fighting has to stop. so at some point in the next hour or so, we're going to see several thousand people swarm this area here. quite a sizeable scot. police scotland

presence here, because behind me, in another hall of the scottish events centre is the wedding show. um, and certainly they are on hand to make sure no altercations occur . altercations occur. >> okay. tony maguire in scotland, thanks very much. it's such an awful situation , isn't such an awful situation, isn't it? i mean, one side says you can't have a ceasefire until the israeli hostages are released . israeli hostages are released. um, israel saying that they um, uh, israel saying that they need to rid hamas. uh of, of existence . um, you know, it's existence. um, you know, it's a hard one to wade into. but for me, just please stop. stop killing the kids. i want the kids to stop dying on both sides . a palestinian kid's life is worth equally as much as an israeli so israeli kid's life. so regardless happens , regardless of what happens, please stop killing the kids now you're watching. listening to gb news saturday me. ben leo. you're watching. listening to gb new morerrday me. ben leo. you're watching. listening to gb new more coming me. ben leo. you're watching. listening to gb new more coming upne. ben leo. you're watching. listening to gb new more coming up on ben leo. you're watching. listening to gb new more coming up on today's». lots more coming up on today's show. the show. but first, let's get the news sofia . news with sofia. >> thanks, ben. it's 131. news with sofia. >> thanks, ben. it's131. i'm sophia wenzler and the gb news room. your headlines says there'll be consequences for the

death of alexei navalny. that was a warning from the foreign secretary as he met foreign ministers from the g7 in munich today. they took part in a minute's silence after vigils and protests were held across the world in support of vladimir putin's most vocal critic, lord cameron's comments were backed by starmer . as crowds by sir keir starmer. as crowds gathered outside the russian embassy in london laying tributes and demanding the russian president be held accountable for his death . those accountable for his death. those gathered at the munich security conference voiced their fury with officials from the us, eu and nato laying blame on . putin. and nato laying blame on. putin. one one person has been arrested as thousands of protesters begin marching in london in support of palestine. up to 250,000 people were expected to gather for the demonstration near the israeli embassy . around 1500 police embassy. around 1500 police officers from forces across britain are on public order dufies britain are on public order duties , with those taking part duties, with those taking part warned to leave by 6:00 this evening. in in other news, a

third of small boat arrivals since 2018 have taken place. while rishi sunak was prime minister. that's to according new analysis by the labour party . they say it's proof the government's focus on its rwanda plan isn't enough to solve the crisis. the government insists its policies are working with the number of crossings. last year down more than a third compared to a year earlier, and farmers in kent are staging a protest at a tesco supermarket. furious at what they say are cheap, international imports. around 20 tractors are parked at tesco extra in whitfield, near doven tesco extra in whitfield, near dover. there aiming to raise awareness for what they fear could be a threat to britain's food security . they say they food security. they say they can't cope with the cheap foreign imports and unless something is done, british farmers won't be able afford farmers won't be able to afford to the british public. and to feed the british public. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. common alerts .

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have a good point, a comment with name, emailed? with your name, who emailed? but i meant i thought the police were meant to on that. so to be clamping down on that. so anyway shift gears now. anyway, we shift gears now. yesterday he gave yesterday prince harry, he gave his public interview since his first public interview since his first public interview since his father, king his father, the king was diagnosed with cancer last week. this is what he had to say. it's a good morning, america. i called it gobbing off the called it gobbing off about the effect illness effect of his father's illness that on his own family. that had on his own family. >> how did you get the news that the king was ill? >> i spoke to him. >> i spoke to him. >> and what did you next? >> and what did you next? >> i jumped on a plane and went to go and see him. as soon as could. >> how was that visit for you emotionally? >> um, look, i love i love my family. the fact that i the family. the fact that i was, the fact was able to get on a fact that i was able to get on a plane and go see and plane and go and see him and spend time with him, i'm spend any time with him, i'm grateful what's sort grateful for that. what's sort of outlook on on his health of your outlook on on his health that between him? that stays between me and him? >> the family can >> an illness in the family can have a galvanising or sort of reunifying for a family. reunifying effect for a family. >> that possible in this case? >> yeah, i'm n case? >> yeah, i'm i mean, you >> yeah, i'm sure. i mean, you know, i've throughout these know, i've throughout all these families, i see it on on families, i see it on a, on a day to day basis . day to day basis. >> um, you know, again, the

strength family unit strength of the family unit coming just physically strength of the family unit cominin just physically strength of the family unit cominin californiajst physically strength of the family unit cominin california ,;t physically strength of the family unit cominin california , howysically strength of the family unit cominin california , how havely being in california, how have you processed the fact that there's so much happening back with your family where you come from ? from? >> t- w my own w my own family. from? >> my own family. right? >> i have my own family. right? so all do. so as we all do. >> right. so you know, >> right. so um, you know, my family and my life in california is as it is. you know, i will. i've got other trips planned and that would take me through the uk or back to the uk. um, so, you know, i'll stop in and see my family as much as i can. >> all right. i'm delighted to be joined now by royal broadcaster heydel—mankoo. be joined now by royal broadcaster afternoon. l—mankoo. be joined now by royal broadcaster afternoon. l—mtlet)o. ralph. good afternoon. um, let me play devil's advocate here he was, he was asked a question dunng was, he was asked a question during an interview about invictus. some people have said he was gobbing off and using the opportunity from visiting his father last week to plug his own agenda. but what's he meant to say when a reporter says , how's say when a reporter says, how's your dad doing? >> well, could have done what >> well, he could have done what his the prince of his brother, the prince of wales, and what queen wales, and what the queen did was simply to say that he's doing to thank doing well and to thank well—wishers for their support . well—wishers for their support. now, to go further from now, he chose to go further from

this. mean, you know, when he this. i mean, you know, when he went many went to visit his father, many people long went to visit his father, many pewould long went to visit his father, many pewould before long went to visit his father, many pewould before went long went to visit his father, many pewould before went inyng it would be before he went in front cameras. the answer front of the cameras. the answer is is the answer. is ten, ten days is the answer. that's how long that's how long. how long it took yes, to his took him. and yes, to his credit, didn't into credit, he didn't go into details the prognosis details on his on the prognosis of father's health. and he of his father's health. and he also loves also said that he loves his family that's nice family and was that's a nice thing was pleased . thing and was pleased. >> yes. thing and was pleased. >> humane thing to him >> humane thing to give him credit that. but then, credit for that. but then, of course, go to on say course, yes, he did go to on say that, you know , intimate that, um, you know, intimate that, um, you know, intimate that cancer be that the cancer could be a source reconciliation for that the cancer could be a sourhis reconciliation for that the cancer could be a sourhis family, ciliation for that the cancer could be a sourhis family, saying1 for that the cancer could be a sourhis family, saying that all his, his family, saying that all sickness is, um, unites can unite families . well, i'm sorry unite families. well, i'm sorry that wasn't on display when his grandparent s were very sick and dying and know that his dying. and we know that his anfics dying. and we know that his antics caused great and antics caused great anguish and heartache late queen and heartache to the late queen and prince their final prince philip in their final months and and we saw we months and years. and we saw we saw no attempt. then you would have thought that their deaths would have the catalyst would have been the catalyst for him the him to come back into the family. he spent the family. instead, he spent the first months after the queen's death, most delicate period death, the most delicate period for the new king, for his father. the new king, attacking the royal family and the prince and the queen and the prince and princess of wales. so we haven't really demonstration of really seen any demonstration of that. there's a great

>> so look, there's a great story times today saying story in the times today saying that harry will potentially become a temporary working member of the royal family , member of the royal family, maybe covering for king charles in the coming months. what do you make of that? is there any truth to it? >> well, it's remarkable. truth to it? >> it's.l, it's remarkable. truth to it? >> it's been remarkable. truth to it? >> it's been reportedble. truth to it? >> it's been reported from from both allegedly, that both sides, allegedly, that they've calls both sides, allegedly, that theythat calls both sides, allegedly, that theythat he's calls both sides, allegedly, that theythat he's offered calls both sides, allegedly, that theythat he's offered to calls and that he's offered to essentially become a temporary working alleviate working royal to help alleviate the and all the extra the backlog and all the extra work with king out work required with the king out of but you have to sort of service. but you have to sort of service. but you have to sort of wonder, this change of wonder, where has this change of wonder, where has this change of suddenly? because of heart come suddenly? because the king, obviously the king, you know, obviously the king, you know, obviously the to leave the the king wants to leave the door open his son. but open for his for his son. but we've every attempt that we've seen every attempt that the king has made to offer an olive rejected. olive branch has been rejected. i the reason here is i think the real reason here is that prince harry and his pr staff realise that his relevance depends entirely on his proximity to the crown, and the last has seen the sussexes last year has seen the sussexes plummeting in popularity. they've been ridiculed the they've been ridiculed in the press and no one's any press and no one's had any interest in non—royal interest in their non—royal output. like, output. the sussexes are like, you like planet you know, like a planet revolving is revolving around the sun is their proximity to the monarchy that flourish. and that enables it to flourish. and being california is like being in california is like

being in california is like being planet pluto, being on planet pluto, essentially right . essentially quite right. >> a point, ralph, >> that's a good point, ralph, because course, because this week, of course, they sussex they launched their new sussex .com website using their titles, giving titles to their children. from my perspective , i've always from my perspective, i've always said, you know, from from meghan's side at least she spent years and years trashing the royal saying how she royal family, saying how she wanted kill herself when she wanted to kill herself when she was suffered mental was in it. she suffered mental health problems . hinted health problems. she hinted heavily made a heavily that someone made a racist about the skin racist comment about the skin colour of archie. on and colour of archie. it goes on and on and on and i say, do you know what? if that was me, i wouldn't want to do with that want anything to do with that name. that connection, name. with that connection, i'd have respect and i'd have some self respect and i'd stop it. but yet they stop using it. but yet they launched new website launched their new website and it's duchess of it's the duke and duchess of sussex, meghan . sussex, duchess meghan. >> just remember, it was only a sussex, duchess meghan. >> _months ember, it was only a sussex, duchess meghan. >> _months ago.er, it was only a sussex, duchess meghan. >> _months ago. theyvas only a sussex, duchess meghan. >> _months ago. they accepted| few months ago. they accepted the kennedy of the robert f kennedy ripple of hope award, in part fighting hope award, in part for fighting against royal against racism in the royal family, and they spent so long undermining that institution. you have to wonder why they you do have to wonder why they now to want now suddenly want to want to help. out. and quite help. it out. and you're quite right. i they realise right. as i said, they realise they're not because they they're not famous because they are entertaining or talented or particularly intelligent. there

are of those things. are none of those things. they're simply royal. that's why i think you've seen the rebranding the website. rebranding of the website. that's using the that's why they're using the titles prince and princess titles of prince and princess for children, they for the children, because they realise that their only real cachet is their royal status, andifs cachet is their royal status, and it's been hard lesson that and it's been a hard lesson that they've particularly they've learned, particularly over yeah. over the last year. yeah. >> mean, well, i would say the >> i mean, well, i would say the they're not here to defend themselves. of course, and themselves. of course, harry and meghan going meghan, but if they were going to themselves, would meghan, but if they were going to say? themselves, would meghan, but if they were going to say? letmselves, would meghan, but if they were going to say? let melves, would meghan, but if they were going to say? let melvesthe would meghan, but if they were going to say? let melvesthe devil'sld they say? let me put the devil's advocate. box onto your side. >> i have no i say, i have no. well, what would their pr team say? because i think a lot of this driven by their this is being driven by their pubuc this is being driven by their public relations team who understand that if understand and actually that if they have rebranding, understand and actually that if thneeds have rebranding, understand and actually that if thneeds essentiallybranding, understand and actually that if thneeds essentially donding, understand and actually that if th needs essentially do what, it needs to essentially do what the royal family are doing. but in a north american type of context, we're seeing context, that's why we're seeing much trying to much more of meghan trying to become setting become essentially setting up an american rival the american court to rival the court over here, because they think may their think that may be their successful become sort successful path to become a sort of american style royal family get royalty. but get that cachet of royalty. but do things on their terms in america. >> yeah. and actually, you >> yeah. and actually, do you know that new website know what? on that new website meghan about compassion meghan bangs on about compassion and know, humanity and

and being you know, humanity and generosity and forgiveness? well, she's not forgiven her estranged, dying father , thomas estranged, dying father, thomas markle, who's had a heart attack , hasn't seen his grandkids, hasn't spoken to him in many, many years. if you want to many years. so if you want to display compassion, meghan, i'd argue, your father argue, maybe give your father a call. doing. call. ask how he's doing. i'm sure cheer up . sure that would cheer him up. uh, you so much. uh, ralph, thank you so much. appreciate always. appreciate your time, as always. uh, coming up on uh, lots more coming up on today's including a judge . today's show, including a judge. he's ruled that former, uh, us president donald trump, he must pay president donald trump, he must pay nearly £281 million to new york state for lying about the values of his properties. he says he's been stitched up. and you know what? when the banks testified this case and they testified in this case and they said they were happy with the underwriting donald trump's underwriting of donald trump's loans, no problem. but loans, they had no problem. but the da and the judge the democrat da and the judge went ahead and did him on anyway. and i think we've got quite an interesting clip of donald reaction that donald trump's reaction to that ruling after the break. you won't want to miss that. of won't want to miss that. all of that to you're that and more to come. you're watching listening to gb watching and listening to gb news, britain's news channel .

radio. welcome back. >> you're watching and listening to gb news saturday with me. ben leo on your tv, online and digital radio. i'm just going to read a couple of emails before we continue, barbara says. after all prince has all the hurt prince harry has caused, he caused, the royal family, he should allowed to should never be allowed to return duties. do you return to royal duties. do you know what? i've not seen anything the contrary today anything to the contrary today in the inbox. so there in the inbox. so if there is anyone that anyone out there who thinks that harry back , harry should be welcomed back, at least temporarily, some at least temporarily, for some royal please know royal duties, please let me know because them because i'd love to read them out. uh, sue says, in my opinion, the only reason harry out. uh, sue says, in my opins0|, the only reason harry out. uh, sue says, in my opins0|, the (toy reason harry out. uh, sue says, in my opins0|, the (toy rea his harry out. uh, sue says, in my opins0|, the (to y rea his father was so quick to visit his father was so quick to visit his father was because he realised king was because he realised the king is succeeded is mortal and will be succeeded by wanted make by william. he wanted to make sure any inheritance. uh, i sure of any inheritance. uh, i don't know about that. he's probably got a few quid of his own. move now to own. let let's move on now to america . this story absolutely america. this story absolutely stunned me last night. yesterday um, donald trump has been , uh, um, donald trump has been, uh, basically a judge has ruled that he must pay nearly £281 million,

around $350 million to the new york state for lying about the values of his properties. he was also banned from serving as a company director or taking out loans banks in the state loans from banks in the state for years. this is what for three years. this is what trump to say after the trump had to say after the ruling . ruling. >> he ruled against me before he even the case. he ruled even got the case. he ruled against . said was against me. he said i was guilty. know guilty. he didn't know what i was of before he even got was guilty of before he even got the letitia james, the case. and letitia james, that's another case altogether. she's a horribly corrupt attorney general , and it's she's a horribly corrupt attorney general, and it's all having to do with election interference . interference. >> all right, classic as ever from the donald. i'm joined now by a spokesperson for republicans overseas uk, sarah elliott. good afternoon sarah. good afternoon. look let's get to this . the district attorney to this. the district attorney who prosecuted judge was a democrat who prosecuted trump, was a democrat . the judge was a was a democrat. the judge was a democrat before the district attorney got into power, she said she was going to go after trump and look in every nook and cranny. this is a stitch up, isn't it? >> i mean, definitely has

>> i mean, it definitely has that appearance, especially when deutsche bank, who was the bank that loaned the money to donald trump, which been found trump, of which he's been found guilty of in inflating his assets for the loans as the deutsche bank actually made money on these loans , he paid money on these loans, he paid back the loans. >> there was no crime. this is the case of looking for a criminal first and then looking for a crime . um, as you said, for a crime. um, as you said, letitia james, a democrat, ran on wanting to prosecute trump. get him behind bars. this is part of her campaign agenda. and the american people aren't buying it. the republican party is not buying it. right. but surely as a former president, he should have faith in his country's judicial system . country's judicial system. >> no. >> no. >> yes. but, you know, new york city is a very left wing, what we would call an america liberal bastion. >> they hate him, don't they? >> they hate him, don't they? >> they hate him, don't they? >> they hate him, you know, although built some beautiful although he built some beautiful buildings done some buildings and done some wonderful in new york, wonderful things in new york, um, there is a bias against him. so i think he is correct in saying that even if you're not a trump don't with trump fan, you don't agree with

everything he says and everything he says and everything he's done. um, this does look like lawfare. >> all right. what does this mean presidency ? mean for trump's presidency? because a lot characters over because a lot of characters over this of the say that this side of the pond say that we trump presidency for we need a trump presidency for peace, i think, correct me if i'm boris johnson said i'm wrong, boris johnson said that would be a good, um, that he would be a good, uh, um, opfion that he would be a good, uh, um, option for president he option for president if he returned. he bring world peace. he was, of course, no he was, of course, the no war president. the first president. he was the first leader a north korean leader to meet a north korean leader, across the leader, um, across the demilitarised zone. so what does this mean for his second bid for the house the white house >> well, you know, first off, with every indictment he got last year, he got more and more popular . so with kind of , popular. so with this kind of, um, you know, a charge or and fine to donald trump, his popularity will go up. and so this makes it more likely that he could be the us president and thus , you know, have that strong thus, you know, have that strong foreign policy he had during his first terme, which many of us believe, had he been elected president, we would not have had the war in ukraine. >> well, trump , of course, says >> well, trump, of course, says that he would solve that

conflict within 24 hours. can i just ask you what you made of tucker carlson's interview with vladimir putin this week ? vladimir putin this week? >> um, i was disappointed . and i >> um, i was disappointed. and i mean, i think, first off, all journalists should be able to interview any world leader, and it's great that we were able to get two hours worth of putin. and to kind of maybe learn about his psyche or his propaganda , his psyche or his propaganda, whichever one you side with. but but i was disappointed in tucker carlson's visit to moscow now and speaking to world leaders . and speaking to world leaders. >> you don't think he should have gone? no >> i just think him praising russia and praising the, you know, the moscow underground system and also really taking down america in front of world leaders, just really was untoward and unnecessary. and it puts american lives at risks overseas . overseas. >> okay. great stuff sarah. thank you. i appreciate your expertise on that . uh, you're expertise on that. uh, you're listening and watching to gb news saturday with me, ben liu. i remains to be seen whether donald trump will win that

second presidency. lot of second presidency. a lot of people of pond people this side of the pond certainly lots certainly want him to, but lots more today's show, more coming up on today's show, including leaders from around the have reacted to the the world, have reacted to the news that russian leader alexei navalny has died in prison. russian officials say died russian officials say he died from from a blood clot. um, not sure about that. while on a walk , but who do you believe? but first, let's take a look at the weather with . craig. weather with. craig. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there. welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast. i'm craig snell looking ahead for the rest of this weekend. we will see a band of heavy rain move across the country. it's all courtesy of these weather fronts. they will just gradually spread their way eastward, but with winds coming in from the southwest, going to be southwest, it is going to be a mild us. so mild weekend for all of us. so this evening we can see the rain working its way in from the west. outbreaks of west. some heavy outbreaks of rain embedded in it. so we do

have some warnings in force across of and across parts of england and wales , so there will be some wales, so there will be some fairly difficult driving conditions you travelling conditions if you are travelling overnight but it will overnight tonight. but it will be a mild one. temperatures for many staying in double figures across the south. and these temperatures really are where we should be during course of temperatures really are where we sho day. ye during course of temperatures really are where we sho day. notrring course of temperatures really are where we sho day. not the| course of temperatures really are where we sho day. not the night:ourse of temperatures really are where we sho day. not the night time. of the day. not the night time. this time so a bit of this time of year. so a bit of a slow start across southeastern england. still some rain england. still some heavy rain here, dry up here, but it should dry up towards lunchtime. for most towards lunchtime. and for most of us it will be a brighter day. the better day of the two. but there will still be a few sherri outbreaks of rain around, especially during middle especially during the middle part for all of part of the day. but for all of us, a mild one. temperatures in the south potentially reaching 15 or 16 degrees. having a look at monday, another spell of rain will move its way across the country. either side, there will be some drier and brighter moments, and again it will be feeling fairly mild for the time of year . tuesday wednesday again of year. tuesday wednesday again remaining fairly changeable. further of rain, further spells of rain, especially during the middle of the temperatures for the week. but temperatures for

all staying in double all of us staying in double figures day . figures by day. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> thanks very much, craig. all looks a bit dull, doesn't it ? looks a bit dull, doesn't it? uninspiring out there? well, i'll tell you, i booked a houday i'll tell you, i booked a holiday last week. going to holiday last week. i'm going to tenerife, so you later . as tenerife, so see you later. as of tuesday next week, lots more coming up in today's show, including sir keir including labour leader sir keir starmer says are now including labour leader sir keir starmto says are now including labour leader sir keir starmto put; are now including labour leader sir keir starmto put their are now including labour leader sir keir starmto put their faithe now including labour leader sir keir starmto put their faithe ran ready to put their faith in a changed uh, changed labour party. uh, changed labour party. uh, changed really after this week, uh, following a double win in wellingborough and the kingswood by elections yesterday. but rishi sunak says the tories and reform should unite to beat starmer. well, i'll tell you what richard tice had something to about that the to say about that in the telegraph yesterday. he said we're do what the we're not going to do what the brexit did in 2019 and brexit party did in 2019 and step aside. you can stuffed step aside. you can get stuffed conservatives. we're going to enjoy . we'll be enjoy your downfall. we'll be debating if he's right. all of that and to come. i'm ben that and more to come. i'm ben leo you're watching leo and you're watching listening gb

good afternoon, my friends, and welcome to gb news. saturday i'm ben leo, and for the next hour, i'll keeping the next hour, i'll be keeping you tv, online and you company on tv, online and digital radio. i'll keep you up to stories that to date on the stories that really you, including to date on the stories that really up you, including to date on the stories that really up this you, including to date on the stories that really up this hour including to date on the stories that really up this hour for:luding to date on the stories that really up this hour for leaders coming up this hour for leaders from around the world. they've reacted to news that russian opposition leader alexei navalny has died in prison. russian officials he died from a officials say he died from a blood clot while on a walk. but who do you believe? then some might have thought that support for the so—called hate marchers would have waned by now, but they've been going for four consecutive months. thousands of pro—palestine supporters are marching in central london today, for an immediate today, calling for an immediate ceasefire gaza. be live ceasefire in gaza. we'll be live there ground at and there on the ground at and russia's most significant opposition leader for the past decade , alexei navalny, as we decade, alexei navalny, as we said, he's died in the arctic circle. foreign secretary david cameron says no one should be in any doubt about the dreadful

nature of putin's regime. nature of putin's regime regime. rather after what has just happened, i'm asking, do you think navalny was silenced ? and think navalny was silenced? and i did just call out for some pro harry and meghan emails. i'll give you one of those very, very quickly . ben, give you one of those very, very quickly. ben, i think you have noidea quickly. ben, i think you have no idea of the truth regarding harry and melon. melon harry and meghan, they're being bullied. why should amazing couple why should this amazing couple lie down? uh to keep their haters happy? now that's quite a good name. harry and melon. maybe he would stick. of maybe he would stick. uh, of course. nothing course. this show is nothing without and your views. let without you and your views. let me all thoughts on the me know all your thoughts on the stories discussing stories we'll be discussing today. views gb today. email me gb views gb news. i'm keeping news. com i'm also keeping a keen your messages . even keen eye on your messages. even the social media. but the abuse on social media. but first, here's the news with sofia . sofia. >> ben. thank you. it's 2:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story . we

newsroom. your top story. we there'll be consequences for the death of alexei navalny. that was the warning from the foreign secretary as he met foreign ministers from the g7 in munich today. they . took part in ministers from the g7 in munich today. they. took part in a minute's silence after visuals and protests were held across the world in support of vladimir putin's most vocal critic, lord cameron's comments were backed by sir starmer . as crowds by sir keir starmer. as crowds gathered the russian gathered outside the russian embassy in london laying tributes and demanding the russian president be held accountable death . those accountable for his death. those who gathered at the munich security conference voiced their fury, officials from the fury, with officials from the us, and nato laying the blame us, eu and nato laying the blame on putin. ukraine president volodymyr zelenskyy told the conference the russian leader is a thug who must be stopped after the murder of alexei navalny . the murder of alexei navalny. >> it's absurd to perceive putin as a supposedly legitimate head of a russian state, and he is a thug who maintains power through

corruption and violence , coming corruption and violence, coming to his so—called inauguration, shaking his hand, considering him an equal means to disdain the very nature of political power . in other news, one person power. in other news, one person has been arrested as thousands of protesters march in london in support of palestine . support of palestine. >> up to 250,000 people are expected at the demonstration near the israeli embassy . around near the israeli embassy. around 1500 police officers from forces across britain are on public order duties , with those taking order duties, with those taking part warned to leave by 6:00 this evening. gb news reporter will hollis is there. there >> there is a sea of palestinian flags in the capital city today for the ninth day of protests since those october the 7th attacks. now there are hundreds of thousands of people making their way down park lane next to hyde park, and they're heading in one direction and that's towards the israeli embassy .

towards the israeli embassy. they're calling with one voice for a ceasefire in the week that parliament will be voting for one. now what you'll also see is a lot of yellow jackets. the police here say that what is going on in the middle east, the conflict between israel and palestine, israel and hamas is having a profound and polarising effect . on how they can police effect. on how they can police the capital city now a third of small boat arrivals since 2018 have taken place, while rishi sunak was prime minister. >> that's according to new analysis by the labour party. that's after 52 people reportedly crossed the channel by small boat yesterday, meaning there's been just over 38,500 arrivals since mr sunak became prime minister labour says it's proof the government's focus on its rwanda plan isn't enough to solve the crisis, but the government insists its policies are working with the number of crossings last year down by more than a third compared to a year earlier. farmers in kent are staging a protest at a tesco

supermarket. furious at what they say are cheap. international imports . around 20 international imports. around 20 tractors are parked at tesco extra in whitfield , near dover, extra in whitfield, near dover, to raise awareness of what they fear could be a threat to britain's food security. they say they can't compete with the cheap foreign imports and unless something done , british something is done, british farmers won't be able to afford to british public and to feed the british public and donald trump has been ordered to pay - donald trump has been ordered to pay . 354.9 donald trump has been ordered to pay. 354.9 million usd in penalties for fraudulently inflating his net worth to dupe lenders . inflating his net worth to dupe lenders. he's also been banned from running any business in new york for three years. trump has denied any wrongdoing and called the case a political vendetta. this latest case comes as the former president appears to be cruising to the republican nomination, despite multiple other legal battles , and the other legal battles, and the duke and sussex are reportedly and the duke of sussex is reportedly willing to step into royal duties while his father undergoes cancer treatment . undergoes cancer treatment. according to reports in the times, harry is said to have told friends he'd be willing to

cover some duties while his father recovers. it comes after prince harry hinted at a possible reconciliation with his father during an interview on american television . he said he american television. he said he was grateful for the time he spent during a spent with his father during a short to london last week , short visit to london last week, and for the latest stories sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts now it's back to ben . it's back to ben. >> thanks, sophia. now let's get stuck into today's top picks. labour leader sir keir starmer says people are now ready to put their faith in a changed labour party double win party following that double win in wellingborough kingswood party following that double win in elections rough kingswood party following that double win in elections yesterday kingswood party following that double win in elections yesterday .(ingswood party following that double win in elections yesterday . rishivood by elections yesterday. rishi sunak. meanwhile, he says the circumstances facing the tories . circumstances facing the tories. this always makes me laugh. they are , really. but, are challenging, really. but, insists labour doesn't have a plan. midterms by elections are always difficult incumbent always difficult for incumbent governments and the circumstances these by circumstances of these by elections were, of course, particularly challenging. >> , i think if you look at

>> now, i think if you look at the results very low turnout and it shows that we've got work to do to show people that we are delivering on their priorities. and i'm absolutely and that's what i'm absolutely determined to do, but also shows and that's what i'm absolutely dete thered to do, but also shows and that's what i'm absolutely dete there d to do huge also shows and that's what i'm absolutely detethered to do huge amountws and that's what i'm absolutely deenthusiasm do huge amountws and that's what i'm absolutely deenthusiasm doithez amountws of enthusiasm for the alternative in keir starmer and the party. and that's the labour party. and that's because plan. the labour party. and that's becéif;e plan. the labour party. and that's becéif you plan. the labour party. and that's becéif you don't plan. the labour party. and that's becéif you don't have plan. the labour party. and that's becéif you don't have a plan. the labour party. and that's becéif you don't have a plan,tn. and if you don't have a plan, you deliver change. you can't deliver real change. and general election and when the general election comes, message i'll comes, that's the message i'll be to the country. stick be making to the country. stick with plan it with our plan because it is starting deliver the change starting to deliver the change that country and needs i >> -- >> all lyman >> all right. stick with rishi. he says plan going to he says the plan is going to work. him? joining he says the plan is going to work. is him? joining he says the plan is going to work. is gb him? joining he says the plan is going to work. is gb newsim? joining he says the plan is going to work. is gb news senior ning me now is gb news senior political commentator, nigel nelson . nigel rishi sunak has nelson. nigel rishi sunak has got a point there in wellingborough. labour only increased their vote count by 107 from 2019. meanwhile, the tories lost a whopping well nearly 25,000 on the nose. so people aren't going from the tories to labour. they're just so disillusioned. they're not voting . voting. >> no, i think you're right there, ben , that the reason both there, ben, that the reason both in king's wood and wellingborough was the tory vote simply staying at home. people

are so disillusioned with the tories , they just weren't tories, they just weren't prepared to come out and vote. i think that's a pity. i think that, um, even if you don't like any of the candidates, that voting a precious and hard voting is a precious and hard won right ? voting is a precious and hard won right? and the voting is a precious and hard won right ? and the least voting is a precious and hard won right? and the least you should do is , is show that should do is, is show that you're not complacent, should do is, is show that you're not complacent , turn out, you're not complacent, turn out, spoil your ballot paper , write a spoil your ballot paper, write a rude message to the candidate which they will read because candidates are read every single small ballot paper. >> uh, nigel, miriam cates and danny kruger, prominent tory mps , the co—chairs of the new conservatives group of backbench mps. they've urged the government to change course after that by—election bloodbath. they urge rishi sunak to quote , cut taxes that hit to quote, cut taxes that hit working families, including lowering the rate of income tax and raising punitive thresholds . and raising punitive thresholds. uh, what do you make of that? is that the right course of action to save sunaks skin? >> well, the problem with that is that have in is that you still have in relation at double the 2% target that the bank of england sets

for it. so really tax cuts at the moment are going to be irresponsible as far as the economy goes. now it's an election year. the chances are we will get some tax cuts in in the budget next month . but um, the budget next month. but um, quite how much that that the chancellor , jeremy hunt, can chancellor, jeremy hunt, can afford to spend remains to be seen. he seems to be dampening down expectations at the moment. so the plan that rishi sunak keeps banging on about doesn't seem to be working, that he hasn't stopped the boats. uh, he's not getting any credit for the national insurance cut from last year . the national insurance cut from last year. uh, so at the moment it just seems to be all gloom and doom for the tory party. >> nigel, do you know what i mean? i might sound naive here, but i don't think many people really about, you know, really care about, you know, two tax here and there or tax cuts here and there or inflation coming down by this date. inflation is coming down globally so not globally anyway. so i'm not going sunak for going to give sunak credit for that. why don't the conservatives got conservatives they've got nothing they're facing nothing to lose. they're facing extinction this election. why

extinction at this election. why don't they say we're going don't they just say we're going to stop the boats by leaving the echr. we're going to commit to that. uh, we're going to think about policy akin to about a turn back policy akin to australia. don't just australia. why don't they just grab the horns and grab the bull by the horns and give what they want? give the people what they want? conservatism give the people what they want? con um, atism give the people what they want? con um, because give the people what they want? conum, because wouldn't give the people what they want? con um, because wouldn't work give the people what they want? conum, because wouldn't work . >> um, because it wouldn't work. i mean, you mentioned you mentioned the, the turning the boats back to france. um, these are not french citizens . are not french citizens. >> um, they came from france . it >> um, they came from france. it was a safe country . was a safe country. >> they may have done, but they passed through france rather, rather than than actually arrive there. they arrived from a lot of other countries. >> they can stay there, can't they? they came they? that's where they came from. boats from. australia turned boats back middle the ocean, back in the middle of the ocean, put in, in safe put them in, put them in safe vessels, literally vessels, and they literally towed either to their towed them back. either to their where from to where they came from or to offshore processing sites . it offshore processing sites. it works for them . works for them. >> if you've got an offshore processing site , which is what processing site, which is what italy is doing with albania , uh, italy is doing with albania, uh, um, you can do that. we um, then you can do that. we haven't offshore haven't got any offshore processing sites that are rwanda scheme is not about offshore processing . it's about sending

processing. it's about sending people to rwanda and then staying there . now you can't tow staying there. now you can't tow them all the way to rwanda . even them all the way to rwanda. even if rwanda was working . uh, and if rwanda was working. uh, and certainly just turning them back, back to the way the australians did doesn't work. well, there are no international waters between here and france. there's 150 waters between here and france. there's150 miles waters between here and france. there's 150 miles between been, uh, australia and india easier. and the boats are bigger. uh, australia and india easier. and the boats are bigger . you and the boats are bigger. you start turning them back, boats are going to sink. >> about the falklands ? >> what about the falklands? >> what about the falklands? >> well, that's an even longer, longer way to go to tow a boat. um and i'm not sure falkland islanders will be terribly keen on their own. >> look, nigel, we're getting bogged down in my in my point about the turn back policy then, but echr? about the turn back policy then, but commit echr? about the turn back policy then, but commit to echr? about the turn back policy then, but commit to it. echr? about the turn back policy then, but commit to it. that's echr? about the turn back policy then, but commit to it. that's what hr? just commit to it. that's what people want. >> people >> well, people may want it. i mean, question really mean, the question really is whether that we want to whether or not that we want to be to go along with international or not. um, so international law or not. um, so turning our backs on the echr causes all sorts of problems. not not least, what would happen in northern ireland over the peace process that relies on the

european convention on human rights and the peace process? there would be in danger if we decided to leave each air. >> well, robert jenrick , the >> well, robert jenrick, the former immigration minister, he told patrick christys the other night that actually we should declare this, um , illegal boat declare this, um, illegal boat problem. the boats coming on the southern border as a national security threat. and that way we could get a lot more done. but nigel political nigel nelson, senior political commentator gb thank commentator for gb news, thank you appreciate your you so much. appreciate your time. for all the best time. okay for all the best analysis and opinion on that story . eamonn analysis and opinion on that story. eamonn i'm analysis and opinion on that story . eamonn i'm sure you guys story. eamonn i'm sure you guys have to say about have got a lot to say about the boats how the tories can boats and how the tories can turn things around. to turn things around. go to the website gbnews.com and also hit us up on our socials . right. us up on our socials. right. let's head to russia. vladimir putin must pay. that's what leaders have been saying from around the world in reaction to the news that russian opposition leader navalny has died leader alexei navalny has died in prison , reports of his death, in prison, reports of his death, if they're true and i have no reason to believe they're not, russian authorities are going to tell own story. tell their own story. >> but make no mistake, make no

mistake , putin is responsible mistake, putin is responsible for navalny's death. putin is responsible . responsible. >> well, the uk foreign secretary lord david cameron, says that putin should be held accountable for what's happened . accountable for what's happened. no one should doubt the dreadful nature of regime, quote nature of his regime, quote unquote , navalny. meanwhile, he unquote, navalny. meanwhile, he was serving a 19 year prison sentence after being convicted of extremism and fraud following his vocal opposition to vladimir putin's regime, the russian pfison putin's regime, the russian prison service navalny prison service said navalny collapsed and lost consciousness dunng collapsed and lost consciousness during a walk his widow, yulia, has pleaded to the world to punish putin. >> i want to call on the entire world community, everyone in this room and people around the world that we come together to unite and defeat this evil, defeat the horrific regime that is now in russia. >> all right. joining me now is the host of gb news saturday five show, which is on tonight seven till eight. we'll be on there with the man himself, darren grimes. and political

correspondent emma burnell. darren, let me start with you. um, , of course, comes off um, this, of course, comes off the back of tucker carlson's now infamous interview with vladimir putin last week. the timing is interesting, isn't it? why would putin execute a political rival just when all the eyes of the world are on him? following that tucker carlson interview ? tucker carlson interview? >> well, we've just seen footage actually in the mail of his mother coming of the prison mother coming out of the prison and i want and saying, look, i want my son's and the rest son's body back and all the rest of so we do have some >> so we do have some confirmation now, at least, that he dead . he is actually dead. >> yeah. and, uh, you know, the question marks remain around. >> happened and how it's >> what's happened and how it's been done. >> perfectly fine on >> he was perfectly fine on wednesday his was wednesday when his lawyer was with and was his usual with him, and he was his usual gregarious , gallows humour self. gregarious, gallows humour self. you know, he had a quick wit, almost british in his wit, actually . and so it's a deeply actually. and so it's a deeply sad state of affairs. but i think actually , to a certain think actually, to a certain extent, tucker has been president putin's useful idiot. i mean, we saw footage of him and emma. i think we'll actually

agree on this. and this is getting embarrassing. darren. we're so far, so often because i saw footage of tucker in a russian supermarket and he was talking about the merits of and the way in which you can put a coin into a trolley and receive a trolley . and, and i thought, a trolley. and, and i thought, has he been to any asda in the united kingdom or wherever else other supermarkets are, of course, available . and course, available. and i actually i worry that actually this has all been part of a ploy to actually boost russia's international recognition because all eyes were on him again. right? they had taken their eyes off russia and the ukraine because of the fact that israel . and gaza have been on israel. and gaza have been on the nation and the world's mind . the nation and the world's mind. so i am a bit concerned that actually tucker has been played to a large extent, but tucker has been embarrassed. >> i mean, nigel farage told me yesterday he was pretty yesterday that he was pretty disappointed with his interview. he press and you he didn't press him. and do you know what? even putin came out himself i was

himself and said, i was surprised how bad. yeah, surprised of how bad. yeah, putin was softball putin said it was to softball an interview. putin said it was to softball an intethat's i mean, how does that putin said it was to softball an irmean,'s i mean, how does that putin said it was to softball an irmean,'s i meti'mtow does that putin said it was to softball an irmean,'s i meti'm justdoes that i mean, maybe i'm just connecting i mean, maybe i'm just conn

importance of democracy, well, people mourning the of people mourning the death of navalny on the streets of russia have actually been arrested. right? people are being clamped down upon arrest. so down upon under arrest. so i think it's a really important point that nigel raises, actually, and one that should actually, and one that we should be aware of. but be mightily aware of. but i would say i think it's terribly naive of people like lord david cameron to turn around and say, actually , putin must be punished actually, putin must be punished . what are we supposed to do? we cannot go to war with these people . i think that sort of people. i think that sort of rhetoric is actually incredibly dangerous , because ultimately, dangerous, because ultimately, what what navalny's death has shown is that putin now has political invulnerable military. he is no longer vulnerable at the ballot box. he has managed to see off his biggest opposition, quite literally . see opposition, quite literally. see him off. yeah. well, yeah. and i'm sure that this kind of i'm not sure that this kind of rhetoric from our foreign secretary is at all useful or are actually at all remotely viable or sensible and, emma, do you know what i'm you know, i

love my country. >> i'm quite patriotic. but what on earth does do our leaders think we are going to do in a military conflict with russia? >> so i don't think it's about us going into a war or hot war with russia in the last couple of weeks. i think it's more about what they have. but again, i think that is largely pre—budget mod positioning . but pre—budget mod positioning. but there are things that we can do. we could , for example, put much we could, for example, put much more pressure on, for example, the republican party in the us to step up and help to fund the war in ukraine. the war in ukraine is where the front line is happening. and i know some ukrainians who have come over here as refugees as a result . here as refugees as a result. um, you know, they are incredibly passionate about the need , not just for that war to need, not just for that war to won be for their own country, but because that it is, you know, if it doesn't stop in ukraine, there are other places former iron curtain countries that could are absolutely terrified that they will be next. and that is what i mean by taking putin seriously. it's not

a case of us are saying, oh yeah, we're going to invade russia tomorrow. um, i don't want to go down the kenny everett road a lot of our viewers would say is, is our bottomless pit taxpayer money bottomless pit of taxpayer money to fund this war in ukraine, the invasion of ukraine, is it sustainable? >> do we want to keep sending billions and billions? the republicans in america are arming and worrying about sending what, 90 sending another what, 90 billion? that an issue, billion? is that an issue, or have got a good point? have they got a good point? >> well, i think emma has a point that things are going point in that things are going to change in the states to change in the united states of america. know, of america. you know, the democrats be their democrats may well be on their way if poland is to be way out if poland is to be believed. and president trump back in office. now, what does that mean for ukraine? because if the united states position changes , we are not spending changes, we are not spending anywhere near enough. ben, on defence in this country. so the idea that we can continue to support ukraine on our own or with other european allies is for the birds. so with other european allies is for the birds . so actually what for the birds. so actually what america does, i'm afraid that to a large extent we've been talking this morning. you and i,

about the way in which the united states of america is seeking extradition of julian assange , for example. so all of assange, for example. so all of these things are called into question. and the nature of what we do, i think is, is reflected by what america wants to happen. >> i i'll make that point. juuan >> i i'll make that point. julian assange has been rotting in belmarsh since 2019 with no trial . before that. in belmarsh since 2019 with no trial. before that. he was holed away in the dusty ecuadorian embassy because he, uh, committed the crime of releasing and exposing american war crimes. it's rank hypocrisy, isn't it, from the likes of david cameron . david cameron. >> look, i don't have a strong point on julian assange. there are other things that i would take issue with him over and over and above wikileaks, which i think has played an important role in in putting sunlight into certain areas and at other times has played a considerably less salubrious role . um, so i think salubrious role. um, so i think that there are questions to be asked about julian assange himself and wikileaks as a

whole, as an organisation where it's done right and wrong. but i think in terms of, um, what changes in american foreign policy might have if you when we're talking about investing in defence, when we're talking about investing money in ukraine, when we know that that war in ukraine has cost us, not the money that we're putting in in just in sending, um , support in just in sending, um, support to the ukrainians , it's more to the ukrainians, it's more because of the way that the russian aggression there has raised world prices. and when we are saying we have to be strong , are saying we have to be strong, part of that is to make sure that things that things like gas pnces that things that things like gas prices come down, that we have gas security in the uk, that is an important part of our national security program that we've completely would have been goodif we've completely would have been good if we became self—sustainable built some good if we became self—su poweryle built some good if we became self—su power stations.uilt some nuclear power stations. >> ten years ago when we had. >> ten years ago when we had. >> couldn't >> ten years ago when we had. >> more. couldn't agree more. >> uh, right, i move on. uh, darren grimes, very darren grimes, thank you very much. saturday, five tonight. absolutely. >> 7:00. absolutely. >> we'll see you there.

>> we'll see you there. >> we've got belinda >> who else? we've got belinda de lucy, we've benjamin de lucy, we've got benjamin butterworth, in butterworth, the wokeist man in britain and amankona britain and albie amankona queen gammon . gammon. >> belinda absolutely call herself . i'm political herself. i'm political consultant emma burnell. thank you so much. appreciate it. donald trump of says he. donald trump of course, says he. well, reckons he'd well, he reckons that he'd end the war with in 24 hours the ukraine war with in 24 hours if he was president . the ukraine war with in 24 hours if he was president. remains to be seen. i guess you're watching listening news saturday listening to gb news saturday with leo. more with me. ben leo. lots more coming today's show, coming up on today's show, including of including thousands of pro—palestine supporters marching in central london. and by the way, when we went to the ground with will hollis, we saw people past with masks people walking past with masks on, saying on, holding placards saying from the sea. thought the river to the sea. i thought the river to the sea. i thought the clamping down on the cops were clamping down on that. not. um, they're that. obviously not. um, they're calling for immediate calling for an immediate ceasefire back calling for an immediate ceethe re back calling for an immediate ceethe ground back calling for an immediate ceethe ground there. back calling for an immediate ceethe ground there. all back calling for an immediate ceethe ground there. all ofick calling for an immediate ceethe ground there. all of that on the ground there. all of that and more to come. you're watching and listening to gb and more to come. you're watchi britain's stening to gb and more to come. you're watchi britain's newsg to gb and more to come. you're watchi britain's news channel .

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saturday with me, ben leo on your tv online and on digital radio. now let's go to the streets of london, where thousands of pro—palestine supporters are marching in central london. of course, as i said, calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza, processors are filling the streets of the caphal are filling the streets of the capital, waving palestinian flags , holding placards calling flags, holding placards calling for palestinian freedom and, of course, an end to the war in the gaza strip. joining me now is gb news reporter will hollis, who's in the capital. will seems in the capital. oh, will seems a lot busier than the last couple of um let me just make of hours. um let me just make this to you. will i've this point to you. will i've seen, uh, in our last couple of hits, saying from the hits, placards saying from the river the sea. i thought the river to the sea. i thought the cops that cops were clamping down on that nonsense . yes, well, it's in the nonsense. yes, well, it's in the shadow of some of britain's biggest war memorials. >> that right now, hundreds of thousands of people are marching through the city streets of london calling for a ceasefire in one of the most deadly contacts conflicts that has happenedin contacts conflicts that has happened in the middle east for many, many years .

many, many years. >> and they're here because they're calling for that ceasefire to stop the war coalition and the palestine solidarity campaign. and they're moving down along the side of hyde park. and there's hundreds of thousands of people, a sea of palestine flags, as well as some union jack in there as well. and there's only one direction that they're going in for this particular march, the ninth global march that's taken through the cities since october 7, when 1400 people were killed by hamas in israel. and the direction that they're going is actually the israeli embassy. and it's significant because this is the first time that protesters have done this since october 7, and they're calling for a ceasefire because they're saying that the death toll of 28,000 palestinians, mainly women and children, is too high. and they're calling on our politicians to back that ceasefire you're going to see a lot of police here as well in the capital city, 1500 officers that are on patrol across the city, but most of them are here. and the commander in charge of

policing this event from police, he says that what is going on in the middle east is having a profound and polarising effect on policing in the capital city. now, what they're going to be looking for is a couple of things. they're going to be looking for people might looking for people that might be supporting hamas, that be supporting hamas, that might be supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation, organisation , and they're also organisation, and they're also going to be for anybody going to be looking for anybody that be inciting violence that might be inciting violence or racism . now they're or hatred or racism. now they're going to be looking with their eyes and their ears, but they're also going to looking with also going to be looking with cctv going cctv and they're going to be doing facial doing that using facial recognition well as recognition cameras as well as just regular cctv cameras looking just people that looking for not just people that are here right now, but potentially people that have been wanted for offences and crimes related to the other protests that have been happening here. now, this isn't happening here. now, this isn't happening in isolation. this is happening in isolation. this is happening right now because there is going to be a vote in parliament, not just the conservatives, just the conservatives, not just the government, also labour is government, but also labour is going lot of pressure going to have a lot of pressure put them calling for put on them calling for a ceasefire. the snp tabling that

motion . but will the two biggest motion. but will the two biggest parties, the conservatives and the labour, be supporting it this week ? police on the ground this week? police on the ground in london. thanks very much. i don't know if you saw will, but somebody walked you somebody walked past you with a placard saying off placard saying hang aids off yemen. i don't know what these clowns think is going on in the red sea, houthi rebel red sea, but houthi rebel terrorists are turning commercial around. they're terrorists are turning commerc ships around. they're terrorists are turning commerc ships with'ound. they're terrorists are turning commerc ships with akid. they're terrorists are turning commerc ships with ak 47 they're boarding ships with ak 47 seconds. they're engaging in seconds. um, they're engaging in conflict with various navies. what do you mean? hands off yemen. but we'll we'll leave it there friend. there with you, my friend. thanks very much. let's go to scotland scottish scotland now. where our scottish reporter, tony maguire is at a similar march. tony, what's the news on the ground? looks a bit more peaceful there compared to central london. >> indeed, yes. good afternoon. well i'm at the scottish event centre here on the clyde side of glasgow and this is the destination for , for today's destination for, for today's march from george square over to the acc. and that's because behind me is the scottish labour conference. and yesterday we

heard a 70 minute mammoth speech from anas sarwar decry the acts of hamas. back in october and also of the bombardment of gaza and the number of civilian children that have died along the way . now, a couple of hours the way. now, a couple of hours ago, there was a vote held at the conference and they voted to agree with nobody speaking out and to against a ceasefire. and of course , this all comes ahead of course, this all comes ahead of course, this all comes ahead of next week's vote in the commons, which the snp is bringing yet another ceasefire vote last time, the two scottish labour mps they voted sorry, they chose to abstain from that vote. and if you remember well , vote. and if you remember well, keir starmer, he lost a significant chunk of his frontbench that day , along with frontbench that day, along with several aides. now now the snp, they're basically trying to apply they're basically trying to apply pressure on scottish labour to whip those two mps into voting for, for and support of a ceasefire here. and of course , that has been such

course, that has been such a huge talking point at this conference. but as we speak, there are thousands of people about halfway along the route now. i really thought they would be here a little bit sooner. but indeed, the glasgow weather, you can always rely to slow things down grinding halt. but down to a grinding halt. but certainly that says nothing of the police presence here. several dozen police here today already, and we did see them at one point actually widening the cordon. and because perhaps they miss, they missed. sorry. they under um, estimated the number of protesters was looking at the cctv image. cctv images of george square earlier on this afternoon. it did look like there were increasingly several thousand. um and many, many more joining . so they're on their way joining. so they're on their way here. behind me is the labour conference. but also the wedding show. so police scotland certainly on hand to make sure that everything runs smoothly . that everything runs smoothly. >> all right. great stuff tony mcguire in scotland. thanks very much . do you know what much. do you know what i question the intention of these

marches because they started days terrorist attack days after the terrorist attack on october the 7th. uh, israel . on october the 7th. uh, israel. worst atrocity since the holocaust. so when you get people, as we saw in wallace's report, walking around with hands off yemen, like , i'll say hands off yemen, like, i'll say it again, there are a bunch of clowns. how can you support terrorists back terrorists turning back commercial ? in my opinion, commercial ships? in my opinion, of course. um, but yeah, it remains to be seen what happens with that. want with that. they want a ceasefire. will get it? uh, ceasefire. will they get it? uh, i down to hamas to i guess it's down to hamas to release first. now release the hostages first. now you're watching and listening to gb news saturday with me. ben. leo. up on leo. lots more coming up on today's an hour left. today's show. half an hour left. but with but first, here's the news. with severe . severe. >> thanks, ben. it's 232. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb news room . there'll be consequences room. there'll be consequences for the death of alexei navalny. that was the warning from the foreign secretary as he met foreign ministers from the g7 in munich today. foreign ministers from the g7 in munich today . they took part in munich today. they took part in a minute's silence after vigils and protests were held across

the world in support of vladimir putin's most vocal critic , lord putin's most vocal critic, lord cameron's comments were backed by sir keir starmer. cameron's comments were backed by sir keir starmer . as crowds by sir keir starmer. as crowds gathered outside the russian embassy in london laying tributes and demanding the russian president be held accountable for his death . those accountable for his death. those gathered at the munich security conference voiced their fury with officials from the us, eu and nato laying blame on putin . and nato laying blame on putin. in. one person has been arrested as thousands of protesters march in london in support of palestine . up to 250,000 people palestine. up to 250,000 people are expected at the demonstration near the israeli embassy . around 1500 police embassy. around 1500 police officers from forces across britain are on public order duties, with those taking part warned to leave by 6:00 this evening . a third of small boat evening. a third of small boat arrivals since 2018 have taken place, while rishi sunak was prime minister that's according to new analysis by the labour party. they say it's proof the

government's focus on its rwanda plan isn't enough to solve the crisis. the government insists its policies are working with the number of crossings. last year down by more than a third compared to a year earlier. year down by more than a third compared to a year earlier . and compared to a year earlier. and farmers in kent are staging a protest at a tesco supermarket. fewer at what they say are cheap. international imports around 20 tractors are parked at tesco extra in whitfield, near dover. tesco extra in whitfield, near dover . they're tesco extra in whitfield, near dover. they're aiming to raise awareness of what they fear could be a threat to britain's food security. they say they can't compete with cheap foreign imports and unless something is done, british farmers won't be able to afford to feed the british public. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news .com/ alerts now it's back to ben . ben. >> thank you very much, sophia . >> thank you very much, sophia. now remember you guys at home, you can get in touch about all of topics been

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>> of course, i'm going to get stuck into some emails now, some very quick ones, john says of course, was silenced . course, navalny was silenced. um, putin got of him before course, navalny was silenced. um russianiot of him before course, navalny was silenced. um russian elections, im before course, navalny was silenced. um russian elections, where ore course, navalny was silenced. um russian elections, where no the russian elections, where no one will now challenge him . uh, one will now challenge him. uh, mark says even if navalny died of clot, it would have of a blood clot, it would have been poor health, due to been due to poor health, due to the bad living conditions of his, prison situation. his, um, prison situation. of course, was in that arctic course, he was in that arctic prison about 1500 miles north of moscow . i think the temperatures moscow. i think the temperatures were something like —28 degrees. and says , of course, and jennifer says, of course, the russian opposition leader was murdered. what a brave man . was murdered. what a brave man. what's the point of having an election in russia? uh, really good question. and i'm going to put that to our next guest. put that now to our next guest. um, tell who it is in um, i'll tell you who it is in just minute. he's an expertise just a minute. he's an expertise in foreign intelligence . philip in foreign intelligence. philip ingram, secretary ingram, the foreign secretary for david cameron. he says vladimir putin should be held accountable death of accountable for the death of alexei navalny. lord cameron said president had said the russian president had fabricated charges against the opposition and no one opposition politician and no one should be in doubt about the dreadful of regime .

dreadful nature of his regime. philip ingram joins me now. former senior military intelligence . officer philip, is intelligence. officer philip, is this as clear cut as it appears in the media? um, putin he's just he's taken out a political rival. my question was, well , it rival. my question was, well, it was more of an interesting point. why is it it come to coincide with tucker carlson's infamous involved in russia last week ? week? >> well, it's not completely clear cut because navalny is not a well man having been poisoned with novichok a couple of years ago . and as you say in this, um, ago. and as you say in this, um, extreme prison, 1500km north of moscow . but he was under the moscow. but he was under the care of the russian state prison system and, and vladimir putin has got a habit of taking those out who oppose him, whether it be by, um, forcing him to take up a window cleaning job, deciding to have a heart attack next saturday, or, um, mysteriously dying, as we've seen with navalny here. >> um, and putin has said , >> um, and putin has said, silenced him, stopped him from running against him in the presidential election by, um, getting him a criminal

conviction. but what's interesting of interest to me is this is exactly , um, a month this is exactly, um, a month before for putin's presidential election , the last time there election, the last time there was a presidential election, exactly ten days before, it was whenever there was the attack on sergei skripal . so i think this sergei skripal. so i think this is putin sending a message to those that are potentially going to oppose him, saying, i don't stand for opposition . stand for opposition. >> what do you make of, um , the >> what do you make of, um, the uk government summoning the russian embassy in london? i mean, to what's be frank? what's the point of that? what are the russians in london going to say? >> diplomatic dancing . um, >> it's diplomatic dancing. um, you know, it's going to achieve no more than a stiff letter being handed across to say this is unacceptable . but but is unacceptable. but but actually more important , david actually more important, david cameron's across at the munich security conference. he's talking to a lot of his international partners and there's a big clamour to try and increase the amount of support that's given ukraine. that's been given to ukraine. ukraine suffering a lack of ukraine is suffering a lack of ammunition ukraine is suffering a lack of amm uh tion ukraine is suffering a lack of amm uh , on ukraine is suffering a lack of amm uh , also ukraine is suffering a lack of ammuh , also getting access

and, uh, also getting access potentially to, um, frozen russian assets. there's a lot of debate going on as to whether those frozen assets should be used to help the ukrainians fund their war against russia , and to their war against russia, and to help fund the reconstruction of ukraine. >> philip, you're a military man. uh, when does this war end ? man. uh, when does this war end? and are the russians winning ? and are the russians winning? >> um, the war has got many years to go yet. um, the russians aren't winning . um, we russians aren't winning. um, we analyse success or failure. um, analyse success or failure. um, a little bit too much in a one dimensional way, by trying to look at how the front line moves. um and the russians are making progress on the front line. just line. the ukrainians have just withdrawn , um, the of withdrawn from, um, the city of avdiivka that they've been trying to for , defend well, trying to for, defend well, since 2014. um, but what we miss then is the sort of the third or fourth dimension of the conflict that's going on. um, and that's all happening in the, in the background. and we see that with the ukrainians sinking, background. and we see that with the ukrainians sinking , the the ukrainians sinking, the russian black sea fleet time

after time. there's reports today that three russian fighter jets have been shot down. we keep hearing of russian oil refineries mysteriously blowing up, military factories blowing up. drones have been fired at russian airfields inside russia . russian airfields inside russia. um, and at moscow. we keep heanng um, and at moscow. we keep hearing of russian command and control headquarter was being blown up. russian logistic bases, their railway lines. all of this is hollowing russia out from from behind. and russia's losing about a thousand troops a day on the front line . it can't day on the front line. it can't keep up with its own , um, keep up with its own, um, ammunition usage and is now relying on north korea . relying on north korea. >> so sorry to interject. why hasn't ukraine? why hasn't ukraine done the business yet? they're getting untold amounts of the of taxpayer money from the us and america . why haven't they and america. why haven't they finished job? finished the job? >> because land warfare is exceptionally complex. you have to fight over every metre of ground and that is crawling with 60 plus kilograms of kit and fighting your way through against individuals who are physically fighting back against

you . it's not something that you you. it's not something that you can do quickly. this will take years. >> well, they always used to say, when i was growing up that we'd a warfare we'd never see a land warfare conflict again . they said it conflict again. they said it would jets and drones and would be jets and drones and when see some of the footage when you see some of the footage doing the rounds on the internet of lads , both of these young lads, both russian and ukrainian being sent to it, um , beyond to war, you know, it, um, beyond the headlines, uh , and the the headlines, uh, and the conjecture, really hits home conjecture, it really hits home what these guys are going through. former senior through. but former senior military officer military intelligence officer philip ingram, thank you so much for afternoon. for joining us this afternoon. okay you're watching listening to gb news saturday with me, ben leo, lots more up on leo, lots more coming up on today's show, including as second electric car prices second hand electric car prices plunge across the board . no plunge across the board. no surprise in my book. i think they're absolutely torrid. i'm asking , are they're absolutely torrid. i'm asking, are we seeing the beginning of the end of the electric car revolution? i know some you are big fans of some of you are big fans of tesla and the like, and of course, the climate argument. it, its strengths as it, uh, has its strengths as well. them well. but my problem with them is you know, can you trust is just you know, can you trust going from london to scotland in a tesla without filling up on

electricity , without the worry electricity, without the worry about being , uh, dumped by the about being, uh, dumped by the side of the motorway ? i don't side of the motorway? i don't think all of and more think so. all of that and more coming up. you're watching, listening to gb news,

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the smell and the sound and the vibrations of a you know, a land rover a defender. vibrations of a you know, a land rover a defender . well look, rover or a defender. well look, ben, i'm sensing that you don't drive an electric car and you don't like them. >> um, look , i've been driving >> um, look, i've been driving them since 2009. i've driven to france and back 780 miles, one way at three charges. there work and really, your viewers should talk to people who own electric cars to get the full picture here. um, they, of course, they depreciated last year because consumers aren't buying big ticket items, as you said. you know, the quarter for was was a recession technically . mhm. um, recession technically. mhm. um, but they are used a real bargain at the moment. but they are used a real bargain at the moment . and that's why at the moment. and that's why the used market has grown by 91. uh, for evs . uh, and you know, uh, for evs. uh, and you know, people are saying that actually they've got price parity issues with, with petrol and diesel cdl’s. >> cars. >> so how much can you get a second hand tesla for quentin at the moment 15 grand for model

three okay. and they were originally new what 45 or something. >> yeah . and he did several >> yeah. and he did several cuts. and i bought one three years ago. and it's done 40,000 miles. i haven't had any issues at all with it. and i'm not going to get rid of it any time soon because it's great and it works. um, but, you know, it's a great time to buy an electric car now because prices are so low . and one of the reasons, low. and one of the reasons, leo, that they low is, yes, leo, that they are low is, yes, sure. we've had this this technical recession in quarter four, also there's this four, but also there's this tirade of anti ev misinformation on the media. so consumers read it and they go to social media. they read read the papers. one paper 160 continuous days of anti ev stories . and they say no anti ev stories. and they say no i don't want one of these cars. so again i stress, you know if you're thinking about buying electric car talk to someone who has driven and owned one and not listen to people who haven't dnven listen to people who haven't driven or owned one, and who are i ideologically opposed to? electric cars on a cellular bafis electric cars on a cellular basis like you , leo? yeah.

basis like you, leo? yeah. >> i mean, do you know what i am? i inching towards the am? i am inching towards the idea because the of times idea because the amount of times i've been at traffic lights and i've been at traffic lights and i've by side with i've been side by side with a tesla, they are rapid. they are so quick, you know, even even against supercars, and against supercars, mclarens and ferraris , they're brilliant. but ferraris, they're brilliant. but quinton, concern is that quinton, the concern is that there's not the there's just not the infrastructure in the uk. you said france . when said you drove to france. when was that? where was it from? what you to fill 7 up. up? >> that was birmingham to bordeaux . i charged at home and bordeaux. i charged at home and then did three charges in france and got there fine and got there back. and got there fine and got there back . now there are a and got there fine and got there back. now there are a million evs on british roads. are we seeing them , you know, running seeing them, you know, running out of battery on the hard shoulder. we're not and are we heanng shoulder. we're not and are we hearing from those million people who say, i want to give it back? i don't like it. no, we're not. yes. the infrastructure needs work and we need those 300,000 chargers. and i'm pushing the government as hard as they can. but the government is kind of fossil fuel. so then, you know, the conservatives really aren't interested in this. whereas

labouri interested in this. whereas labour i think are much more. so look, yes we need more infrastructure. but 80% of people who own electric cars charge them at home while they sleep. >> okay. all right. you're slowly convincing me, quentin. you say they're not breaking down on the hard shoulder, but you have media stories of . you have seen media stories of. >> yeah, i'll take you into my, my electric car and we'll have a few hours and i'll tell you, mate, i will. >> sounds good. let's do it. you can turn me over to the dark side. quentin willson , motoring side. quentin willson, motoring journalist. thanks very much . journalist. thanks very much. you fancy electric cars? nana? no, it's an empty promise. >> he promised me the same thing i >> -- >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i don't 5 >> i don't believe a word of it. they're for me. they're just not for me. >> know, i prefer my >> you know, i prefer my favourite smell is petrol. i know bizarre, but. >> no, i don't want one. >> no, no, no, i don't want one. >>— >> no, no, no, i don't want one. » .— >> no, no, no, i don't want one. >> i can see the downfalls . >> i can see the downfalls. they're very heavy. it's just. i'm don't i'm not buying it. i also don't like that being like the fact that we're being forced. going to do it forced. i'm not going to do it because i'm being forced do because i'm being forced to do it. it's like when i was young, that yeah, i'll do if that was me. yeah, i'll do it if i listen, we've got i want to. but listen, we've got loads what's your loads coming out. what's on your show? andrea show? i've got dame andrea jenkins. political jenkins. she's my political

spotlight legend. yeah absolutely. talking about the whole labour whole thing. you know, labour party elections. party winning two by elections. but small turnout . but with a very small turnout. also, uri geller will be talking about what's going on in israel. >> still in israel. he's still in israel. >> he's at museum. >> he's at his museum. thankfully, happened thankfully, nothing's happened to him and those around him. but obviously there's a lot going on there. got the protests. there. we've got the protests. we're to leave protest we're going to leave the protest because and tired we're going to leave the protest bethem and tired we're going to leave the protest bethem up and tired we're going to leave the protest bethem up everyid tired we're going to leave the protest bethem up every weekend. of them taking up every weekend. i'm up with them. i'm fed up with them. >> that's the thing. did >> well, that's the thing. did you today? will hollis is you see today? will hollis is down after all you see today? will hollis is dovt conjecture after all you see today? will hollis is dovt conjecture the fter all you see today? will hollis is dovtconjecture the rhetoric the conjecture and the rhetoric from we're going from the police, we're going to clamp down on this. people walking placards walking past with placards saying, hands saying, one was saying, hands off other people, off yemen. um, other people, viewers emailed saying viewers have emailed saying people were holding saying people were holding signs saying from river the sea. so, from the to river the sea. so, you they're not acting on it. >> they don't understand what the are. mean, the houthis are. i mean, the houthis pirates also houthis are pirates and also terrorists. mean, it's quite terrorists. i mean, it's quite straightforward forward. so if that's after, then, straightforward forward. so if that know after, then, straightforward forward. so if that know , after, then, straightforward forward. so if that know , so after, then, straightforward forward. so if that know , so forth,after, then, straightforward forward. so if that know , so forth, so,r, then, straightforward forward. so if that know , so forth, so, so hen, straightforward forward. so if that know , so forth, so, so well you know, so forth, so, so well support the houthis. but there's loads show. loads going on this show. >> like >> all right. sounds like a cracking look forward to cracking show. look forward to it. me from it. that's all for me from today . watching listening . you've been watching listening to saturday to gb news saturday with ben leo. so for leo. thank you so much for joining us. and for your emails.

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>> hello, good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all opinion. this show is all about opinion. it's mine , it's theirs, of it's mine, it's theirs, and of course it's yours . we'll be course it's yours. we'll be debating, at debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one cancelled . so one will be cancelled. so joining me in an hour's time is broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy , and also labour cundy, and also former labour party matthew laza . in party adviser matthew laza. in a few moments time we'll be mocking the week with lewis schaffer. but before we get started, let's get your latest news sophia wenzler . news with sophia wenzler. >> thanks, nana. good afternoon . >> thanks, nana. good afternoon. it's 3:00. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story this hour. the family of alexei

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