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it's the show with more presenters than there are tory mps on course for re—election . mps on course for re—election. and who wouldn't vote for the calm expertise of albion and (ionnor.7 the brains and brilliance of belinda de lucy and the straight talk and common sense of ben leo.7 as for the wokeist man in britain, benjamin butterworth well, politics, it ain't for everyone, you know the drill. we each briefly give our view on a topic and then everyone else weighs in on why. that's total nonsense. and of course we want your views as well. get in touch by emailing . well. get in touch by emailing. vaiews@gbnews.com. but before we start tearing each other apart, it's time for your saturday night news with sam francis . francis. >> darren, thank you very much . >> darren, thank you very much. good evening from the gb newsroom. it'sjust good evening from the gb newsroom. it's just gone 7:00 and we start this hour with the latest developments in our top story tonight that the family of jailed politician alexei navalny

have said they don't know where his is. and they believe his body is. and they believe that he being held russian that he is being held by russian authorities so they can cover their tracks. following his death , hundreds of people have death, hundreds of people have been detained across russia for attending memorial events. if you're watching tv, you can you're watching on tv, you can see footage there showing those arrests, being led away arrests, people being led away by officers and being dragged into buses . it comes as into police buses. it comes as president putin is facing increasing international condemnation from leaders across the g7. the kremlin says the west's reaction, though, is unacceptable, describing it as absolutely rabid . the ukrainian absolutely rabid. the ukrainian president, volodymyr zelenskyy, has been speaking at the munich security conference. he's among those who've laid blame on the russian leader, calling putin a thug who he says must be stopped . president zelenskyy also told that conference in munich today that conference in munich today that a shortage of long—range weapons is hampering the fight against russian forces, joining g7 ministers for a minute's

silence . earlier, foreign silence. earlier, foreign secretary lord cameron said the uk will stand by ukraine. that's a sentiment echoed by the labour leader, sir keir starmer. president zelenskyy also told leaders there's an urgent need for more support. but for more western support. but while italy's foreign minister said membership of the said ukraine's membership of the eu nato was inevitable , eu and then nato was inevitable, meanwhile, sweden is a step closer to joining nato after hungary had flagged that it would settle a dispute and ratify its membership . sweden is ratify its membership. sweden is just 140 miles from the russian border . the country just 140 miles from the russian border. the country applied to join nato in 2022, in a historic shift to its policy, which was prompted by vladimir putin's invasion of ukraine. back here invasion of ukraine. back here in the uk , one person has been in the uk, one person has been charged today with assisting illegal entry to the uk following the discovery of migrants in the back of a freezer lorry in east sussex yesterday. the home office, though, hasn't named the person they've charged. it's after a. major incident was sparked yesterday, prompting a large response from emergency services at new haven's ferry port. six

people taken hospital people were taken to hospital following police, following that incident. police, though no deaths though, say there were no deaths reported they continuing reported and they are continuing their investigation as tens of thousands of protesters have been marching through the irish, the scottish and english capitals this afternoon in major demonstrations against the war in gaza . in london, some in gaza. in london, some violence did break out between demonstrators and police , demonstrators and police, according to reporters. you can see there scuffles taking see there some scuffles taking place between officers and members of the public at that march. if you're watching on television there footage showing those , 12 people those scenes, 12 people we understand now been understand have now been arrested a string of alleged arrested for a string of alleged offences in london, including hate related placards, assaults on some officers and for refusing to remove face coverings. former labour leader jeremy corbyn was among those who addressed the crowds in the capital in london and the 14th national demonstration, he says, will be the last. he expects will not be the last. he expects there to be many more until there to be many more until there is, he says, a ceasefire well, our reporter, will hollis, has been following the march in

london this update london and sent this update earlier from outside the israeli embassy. >> this is the end point for the global day of action that's been marching through the city of london today . there's a stage london today. there's a stage there where jeremy corbyn, the former labour leader, has just finished speaking and the target destination is the israeli embassy. but you can see that officers from the met police have blocked the way officers say that they've arrested at least ten people in relation to the policing of protest today . the policing of protest today. this is the ninth day of global action, but it won't be the last. >> well near to the pro—palestine protests that were taking place in glasgow today. scottish labour have backed calls for a ceasefire in gaza on the second day of its party conference there. the motion passed unopposed , but it puts passed unopposed, but it puts the party at odds with westminster colleagues, with sir keir starmer having stopped short of calling for a ceasefire . he says instead that he wants to a sustainable end to that

to see a sustainable end to that war. a third of small boats arrivals since 2018 to the uk have taken place. while rishi sunak was prime minister that's according to new analysis by the labour party. it comes after 52 people reportedly crossed the engush people reportedly crossed the english channel by small boat yesterday , meaning so far yesterday, meaning so far there's been just over 38,500 arrivals since mr sunak became prime minister. labour says it's proof the government's focus on its rwanda plan isn't enough to solve the crisis, but the government insists its policies are working. it says with the number of crossings last year down more than third compared down more than a third compared to year , and to the previous year, and finally , farmers in kent have finally, farmers in kent have been staging a protest at a tesco supermarket , furious at tesco supermarket, furious at what they say are cheap international imports around 20 tractors have been parked today at the tesco extra in whitfield, near dover, to raise awareness of what they fear could be a threat to britain's food security. they say they can't compete with cheap foreign imports unless something is

done, and they say british farmers won't be able to afford to feed the . public and for the to feed the. public and for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or, of course, go to our website gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> it's saturday night and it's all right for fighting. and you're with the saturday five. let's start putting the world to rights ben lee, you're up first ben. you're going to lead our first discussion. what have you got for us. >> well it was a laugh wasn't it? >> well it was a laugh wasn't it.7 friday night's bloodbath at the two by elections in wellingborough kingswood. the two by elections in welli sunak ugh kingswood. the two by elections in wellisunakugh to kingswood. the two by elections in welli sunak ugh to the gswood. the two by elections in wellisunakugh to the daily)d. rishi sunak took to the daily telegraph yesterday to for telegraph yesterday to call for a unification of the british right. conservatives unite stops sir keir starmer making his way into number 10. but you know what i say to that? the same as richard tice get stuffed. no way in hell are we having a repeat

of 2019 when the brexit party stood aside for boris johnson and handed him the keys to number 10, i say the tories deserve electoral wipe—out. the arrogance , the absolute thought arrogance, the absolute thought that they've divine right that they've got a divine right to forever and ignore their to rule forever and ignore their members and adopt no conservative policies. you're going to get what you deserve, mr sunak . albee, isn't it ironic mr sunak. albee, isn't it ironic that rishi sunak , your man, has that rishi sunak, your man, has come out with the begging bowl after obliterating in the, uh, by elections on friday night? it's a bit pathetic, isn't it? >> i think he's slightly misinterpreted . what? misinterpreted. what? misinterpreted what? my man rishi sunak actually said . you rishi sunak actually said. you know what? we're going to get up a video , just have a look at a video, just have a look at what she said earlier on yesterday , a vote for anyone who yesterday, a vote for anyone who isn't the conservative candidate, whether that's reform or anyone else, is just a vote to put keir starmer in power. >> that's the actual choice at the general election between me and him, between the conservative and labour. and him, between the conandative and labour. and him, between the conand whatand labour. and him, between the conand what did labour. and him, between the conand what did we our. and him, between the conand what did we see happen in >> and what did we see happen in the wellingborough and kingswood by—election? votes for

by—election? the votes for reform were taken away from the from the conservatives and labour won. so it's exactly what i said the other week. a vote for reform is a vote for labour and we saw that play out in the two by elections this week . are two by elections this week. are you seriously saying you want to let keir starman's number 10, just because you hate the tories so much? yes >> by the way, sorry. yes. sorry you reform took a tory you say the reform took a tory tory party doesn't own reform votes. it doesn't own anyone's vote. it has to earn votes. and i'd say if you want to win the election, get rid of the liberal democrats. i know who they where are they? i always want to be a party. i say it every week. i mean, yes, the liberal democrats in your party know and secondly, it's hq that are it's conservative hq that are the so you change the problem. so you can change the problem. so you can change the you like, of the the leader, if you like, of the tory party the vehicle remains the same liberal and the same weak liberal and totally submissive to bad international . human rights law, international. human rights law, high taxes, an open border literally saw the vote for reform, get labour. >> good. that's exactly what we want. we don't.

>> benjamin bosworth happy. are you you are i fundamentally disagree with you, alby, because i hate this idea that you take away choice from voters on the left. >> we've long had an equivalent, which the liberal democrats which is the liberal democrats and the latter and the green party. the latter is increasingly well, and is doing increasingly well, and they votes from the labour they take votes from the labour party in some seats. look, i might not like that because i think, sir keir starmer will be an outstanding prime minister but disagree strongly with but i disagree strongly with this progressive coalition suggestion that some on the left make, because people are entitled to have the full choice. and frankly, think the choice. and frankly, i think the lib and greens are very lib dems and greens are very different. i don't accept they're the and so they're the same. and so actually, i you show a lot actually, i think you show a lot of weakness when you try and dictate to the voter, because i tell you what never works. politicians how politicians telling voters how to i'm not telling voters politicians telling voters how to to i'm not telling voters politicians telling voters how to to think. 1ot telling voters how to think. >> merely explaining we >> i'm merely explaining what we saw week, which saw earlier on this week, which was you aren't someone on the was if you aren't someone on the right of british politics and you for the reform party, you vote for the reform party, it let the labour it is going to let the labour party in. that what happened. party in. that is what happened. i'm but that's what i'm sorry, but that's what happened wellingborough.|'m, happened in wellingborough. i'm, you i'm you know, you know, i'm not you know, i

don't to i don't care if don't mean to i don't care if people are with that. people are upset with that. people wanting the tories people not wanting the tories will the party in. will let the labour party in. >> not that complicated. >> it's not that complicated. the have no one but themselves. >> to darren, blame for not getting power. don't blame getting in power. don't blame reform voters. they've they've taken their taken the trust of their conservative on conservative supporters, spat on it, and said, oh it, chewed it out and said, oh please vote for us. please trust us this time. yes there are a few points ed davey. >> i mean, the hell's he >> i mean, where the hell's he gone? >> who are the liberal democrats ? >> 7- >> it's like, 7 >> it's like, where's ? >> it's like, where's wally? >> it's like, where's wally? >> just for the viewers >> just just for the viewers information. leader information. that's the leader of liberal. information. that's the leader of yes, beral. information. that's the leader of yes, yes,l. information. that's the leader of yes, yes, exactly. since the >> yes, yes, exactly. since the post office scandal, he's gone into hiding and the point into hiding and the second point i make is that actually, i i would make is that actually, i don't think conservative voters overwhelmingly backed reform . i overwhelmingly backed reform. i think many of them just didn't come just refused to come out. they just refused to vote . and that leads on to vote. and that leads on to my third point. that's because they feel utterly let down when they feel utterly let down when they feel that that 2019 promise, which was manifested from the 2016 promise of taking back control and everything that brexit offered the people of this country , i think we all this country, i think we all feel massively let down by the

conservative party. >> did you see for the first time? well, he gave the clearest hint yet yesterday. nigel farage he said he was answering a question about whether he would suther question about whether he would slither the conservative slither into the conservative party. once it's all said and done and they're, you know, crawling after crawling on their knees after annihilation, he said, do you know know what know what? you never know what will who knows whether know what? you never know what willparty who knows whether know what? you never know what willparty couldio knows whether know what? you never know what willparty could be (nows whether know what? you never know what willparty could be moulded ether know what? you never know what willparty could be moulded in er know what? you never know what willparty could be moulded in my the party could be moulded in my image or jacob's image or priti patel? >> mean, at this point, nigel >> i mean, at this point, nigel farage is doing better tes farage is doing a better tes than only foreign models, than most only foreign models, and just a tease. and i think it is just a tease. >> conservative party at its >> the conservative party at its core is a complete and utter, i think, aberration. think it's think, aberration. i think it's totally country. totally deserted the country. it's lied . and lied to it's lied and lied. and lied to us. it's not just going back on its manifesto. we'll do whatever its manifesto. we'll do whatever it takes to stop the boats. no, you won't. liars. you won't do. you'll do the bare minimum on hold us a few breadcrumbs. stop about getting across about two people getting across and it's a win, alby. and saying it's a win, alby. >> instead begging reform >> instead of begging reform voters back with with voters to come back with with his rishi sunak his begging bowl out rishi sunak all if you ask all quite pathetic, if you ask me. about bring back boris? me. what about bring back boris? would change the fortunes would that change the fortunes of tories? of the tories?

>> will just remind you, >> well, i will just remind you, ben it was boris ben leo, that it was boris johnson who liberalised immigration after brexit immigration rules after brexit and let in hundreds of thousands of more people. it was boris johnson married himself to this net stuff. yeah, yeah, net zero stuff. yeah, yeah, yeah. that you it was yeah. that you hate. it was bofis yeah. that you hate. it was boris johnson crafted this boris johnson that crafted this conservative which you conservative party, which you hate . but his so hate so much. but his his. so why would want him back? hate so much. but his his. so wthis»uld want him back? hate so much. but his his. so wthis supportersint him back? hate so much. but his his. so wthis supporters would back? hate so much. but his his. so wthis supporters would say:k? >> his supporters would say let's not bogged down in the let's not get bogged down in the policy. a funny character. policy. he's a funny character. he'd probably votes and he'd probably win some votes and probably than sooner. he'd probably win some votes and probabime than sooner. he'd probably win some votes and probabime give han sooner. he'd probably win some votes and probabime give you sooner. he'd probably win some votes and probabime give you a»oner. he'd probably win some votes and probabime give you a reality >> let me give you a reality check wall seats. like check in red wall seats. like elsewhere, wellingborough was a very brexit seat, very very brexit seat, a very conservative saw conservative seat. and you saw the biggest, second biggest the biggest, the second biggest swing history, swing in post—war history, from conservative labour. so most conservative to labour. so most conservative weren't conservative voters weren't going they were going going to reform, they were going to labour party. going to reform, they were going to no labour party. going to reform, they were going to no theer party. going to reform, they were going to no they weren't, no they >> no they weren't, no they weren't, they weren't labour stayed labour got 107 stayed at home. labour got 107 more votes than they did in 2019. yes. >> that's that's a nonsense argument. >> it's not an argument. >> it's not an argument. >> it's not an argument. >> it's not a fact at all. because that is that that relies on the ridiculous assumption that somehow 100% of general election labour smoking let me finish. i'm talking because you're on assumption you're relies on the assumption that party

that 100% of labour party general election voters turned out else has just out and everyone else has just fell which is clearly a fell behind, which is clearly a ridiculous this the fell behind, which is clearly a ridicisous this the fell behind, which is clearly a ridicis that this the fell behind, which is clearly a ridicis that most this the fell behind, which is clearly a ridicis that most of this the fell behind, which is clearly a ridicis that most of these; the fact is that most of these people are going to the labour party, that's what we're party, and that's what we're seeing. i would say one seeing. but i would say one other is i think other thing, which is i think the is in serious the tory party is in serious risk because i know that richard tice who i reading a new tice who i was reading a new statesman, a magazine, i'm sure you've reform you've never read that reform are hoping be on 20% by are hoping to be on 20% by summer, which is about what the tories on. and i think we tories are on. and i think we are at juncture, historic are at a juncture, an historic juncture politics juncture in british politics where see the tory where you could see the tory party fragment and an alternative take its place . alternative take its place. >> i think political >> i agree, i think political sands are shifting and i say vote with your conscience and principles of rewarding principles instead of rewarding failure, the failure, and you'll see the change country that we change in the country that we all need. >> all right. i'm sure i speak for many. i don't know how i'm going to vote, to honest, but going to vote, to be honest, but we'll up next, though, it's we'll see. up next, though, it's albee. what's caught your albee. albee, what's caught your eye this week? >> n eye this week? >> i watched the >> well, this week i watched the prince harry interview on good morning and really morning america, and i really wanted but i've got wanted to hate it. but i've got to be honest, i just didn't hate it. it just made me think of the

old that we all used to old harry that we all used to know and love. why i know and love. and that's why i think just come home, think harry just just come home, leave in montecito, bring leave meghan in montecito, bring over those gorgeous two children. archie and lilibet, to get to know their grandparents and get to know their cousins and get to know their cousins and aunties and uncles. this time your going time of your family going through hardship with through this real hardship with your father having cancer and just come home, who knows, maybe you could be let back into the royal fold. we did hear some reports in the times earlier on this week you wanted to be this week that you wanted to be doing more royal duties, doing some more royal duties, but in order to do that, you need to first come home. so leave meghan in montecito, come back home and start those conversations . conversations. >> sound like you're making an appeal for your lost cat to return to the house? >> well, feels a like my >> well, it feels a bit like my lost actually, i did lost cat. actually, i did actually a cat when i was actually lose a cat when i was youngen actually lose a cat when i was younger, and i was very, very upset about it. >> can i just say something about gobioff to. about harry's? uh gobioff to. good everyone about harry's? uh gobioff to. gooimorning everyone about harry's? uh gobioff to. gooimorning said, everyone about harry's? uh gobioff to. gooimorning said, oh, eryone this morning has said, oh, actually, apologise to harry actually, i apologise to harry because was expecting you to because i was expecting you to spill beans and be, you spill the beans and be, you know, scandalous it

know, really scandalous about it and your father's and gossipy about your father's health, said, health, but actually, he said, you was quite muted in you know, he was quite muted in his response. yes. but the truth is, would known they is, he would have known they were ask that question were going to ask that question if he really cared about his dad's would dad's privacy, he would have said the production said before to the production crew, don't me crew, guys, just don't ask me this question my dad's this question about my dad's health. i don't want to share it. >> if, if, if a if an >> but if, if, if a if an interviewee said that to you, wouldn't still ask the wouldn't you still ask the question? no you would. >> a well >> i'm a well, i'm a well respected, are you not? >> point is, though, albee, >> the point is, though, albee, that his response was, oh, i won't talk about father's won't talk about my father's health. won't that far as health. i won't go that far as if going to turn if we're all going to turn around and be like, how honourable, what a brilliant man you fantastic. you are. how fantastic. of course sell out course you shouldn't sell out your sorry , sorry, darren. >> what exactly are you angry at, harry, about this week? >> angry about the fact that >> i'm angry about the fact that actually he's basically actually he is. he's basically trying out he's a good trying to make out he's a good and honourable man for not doing book two. telling book number two. telling us all about cancer father's about what? cancer his father's got. you've just come up with that in your head, because all he week was answer the he did this week was answer the question way. question in the correct way. >> butterworth, >> ben butterworth, you're a harry and meghan fan ish. what .

harry and meghan fan ish. what. did you think about it? well, he can't decide what country to live in, so the next one won't be spare. >> it'll be where? because we look, you know what actually made slightly uncomfortable made me slightly uncomfortable in his comments on good morning america him, america was that they asked him, do american? he do you feel american? and he stopped short saying stopped short of saying that, but say that he's but he did say that he's considered taking us citizenship. that citizenship. now. i think that would be a very provocative and insulting for to insulting thing for someone to do that. carries the title do that. still carries the title of harry, which is of prince harry, which is bestowed this bestowed on him from this country. mind that country. bear in mind that meghan, becoming meghan, despite becoming a duchess has never been a duchess here, has never been a british citizen. she didn't get as as applying for british as far as applying for british citizenship, and for me, that citizenship, and so for me, that made quite sad. and think made me quite sad. and i think that more that actually told you more about whether he really wants to return to country . return to this country. >> think meghan's ever >> i don't think meghan's ever been from sussex been to sussex. i'm from sussex and say, as a native it's and let me say, as a native it's and let me say, as a native it's a disgrace that she hangs around with title. duchess meghan with that title. duchess meghan of sussex. >> definitely would have of sussex. >> to definitely would have of sussex. >> to sussexly would have of sussex. >> to sussex when jld have of sussex. >> to sussex when she1ave of sussex. >> to sussex when she was for been to sussex when she was for all minutes, cutting all of two minutes, cutting cakes ribbons. cakes and ribbons. >> don't think she's been. >> i don't think she's been. i actually think, benjamin, that

you valid point and you raise a valid point and actually they continue to use harry's crest that harry's royal crest on that website just put up. >> so he feels american , >> so he feels american, perhaps, and perhaps he'll become an american citizen. but he still will. still going to rip off from the monarchy and use his royal crest to get trinkets and all the rest of it in america, i think. >> but i think he's changing his surname as well, isn't he? putting more and more distance. so. so for me, harry and meghan, i just wish for them the life that think they need, that that i think they need, which out of the private eye, which is out of the private eye, you know, nice, quiet life you know, a nice, quiet life away of exposure. away from all of this exposure. but they just keep popping up all the time, demanding the limelight. do wish limelight. but but i do wish them. wish them well. so them. i do wish them well. so miserable, don't know. i'm miserable, i don't know. i'm not. let me finish? i not. will you let me finish? i think harry was right to come over to visit his father. if he mends rift his father, mends the rift with his father, then i cannot get then wonderful. but i cannot get over that harry and over the fact that harry and meghan world accuse our meghan let the world accuse our monarchy being racist without monarchy of being racist without defending for defending them. they went on for months and months before they said, actually, no, we said, oh, actually, no, we weren't royal family weren't saying the royal family weren't saying the royal family

were do you not were racist. this is. do you not understand cruelty understand the cruelty and damage their actions? needs damage of their actions? needs an apology. he needs an apology before a rift can heal. and if there is an apology, there's no reason why they can't heal. >> but can this be the >> but can this not be the beginning healing beginning of this healing process that the family so desperately look we don't desperately needs? look we don't know what's gone both know what's gone on on both sides. look, i think that might need to be apology. there need to be an apology. there might be an apology in might need to be an apology in both directions. actually, that is we should all is something which we should all be and think be considering, too. and i think it would be wonderful if the family can come together family can come back together now, that king charles now, that now that king charles is unwell and be united, i'm sorry and be supportive of each other. >> you can't just gob off for four years and reveal every nook and cranny of their private life. then at the click of a life. and then at the click of a finger, say, i'm ready now. i'm ready now, guys, sorry, ready now, guys, to say sorry, i'mjust like, you know, the late >> just like, you know, the late queen to harry and meghan queen said to harry and meghan when go off, when they wanted to go off, look, entitled to do look, you're entitled to do that, you can't be half in, that, but you can't be half in, half and i do think there is half out and i do think there is a with the idea that a problem with the idea that someone is profiting from their their from being their exposure from being a royal also still in the

royal and also still in the family. have to family. i think you have to choose one or the other in that situation, and i would love him to and mend. that's to come back and to mend. that's what and eugenie do. what beatrice and eugenie do. >> allowed to work and >> they're allowed to work and profit title, but profit from their title, but they're very much within profit from their title, but thejfirm. very much within profit from their title, but thejfirm. but ery much within profit from their title, but thejfirm. but they're:h within profit from their title, but thejfirm. but they're not ithin the firm. but they're not working royals. >> exactly. they're so backbench, fallen off. >> exactly. they're so bacbut1ch, fallen off. >> exactly. they're so bac but that's fallen off. >> exactly. they're so bac but that's what fallen off. >> exactly. they're so bac but that's what harry off. >> exactly. they're so bac but that's what harry and >> but that's what harry and meghan wanted. but weren't meghan wanted. but they weren't allowed actually he's meghan wanted. but they weren't allovsoi actually he's meghan wanted. but they weren't allovsoi closer ually he's meghan wanted. but they weren't allovsoi closer to lly he's meghan wanted. but they weren't allovsoi closer to the ie's meghan wanted. but they weren't allovsoi closer to the line he's so much closer to the line of succession that it would just be. >> and can i just point out, uh, beatrice and eugenie aren't making from , um, making their living from, um, the of their title. they the fame of their title. they have regular jobs as regular as people in that privilege are likely to have. and i think that's an important distinction. if making money as if they were making money as instagram , that instagram influencers, that would different. instagram influencers, that wotand different. instagram influencers, that wotand to different. instagram influencers, that wotand to go different. instagram influencers, that wotand to go backerent. instagram influencers, that wotand to go backere ben leo's >> and to go back to ben leo's original at the start of original point at the start of this show, richard tice this show, what richard tice said rishi sunak, which is said to rishi sunak, which is pretty get stuffed, pretty much get stuffed, get stuffed. i'm afraid that his brother, william , will brother, prince william, will very much be of the view he'll be having none of it. >> see, i think i think >> you see, i think i think that's terrible, because don't that's terrible, because i don't think william that's terrible, because i don't thin harry william that's terrible, because i don't thin harry actually william that's terrible, because i don't thin harry actually reflects.iam that's terrible, because i don't thin harry actually reflects on] and harry actually reflects on william all. as the william that well at all. as the oldest, joking. no, honestly, i

can't. i mean, i'm the oldest sibling family. can't sibling in my family. i can't imagine treating younger imagine treating my younger sister imagine treating my younger sistwell, i'll be i think the >> well, i'll be i think the problem is i, hagan and harry, i mean harry and meghan. i think, put the monarchy at risk. i do not think have the not think they have earned the right trusted with private right to be trusted with private information. they have right to be trusted with private informatfight they have right to be trusted with private informatfight again, they have right to be trusted with private informatfight again, william ave right to be trusted with private informatfight again, william and another fight again, william and harry or harry and his dad, is it going the next book? it going to be in the next book? the trust has to be rebuilt and i that will take number i think that will take a number of years. i think that will take a number of yone. i think that will take a number of yone final point very quickly, >> one final point very quickly, meghan, she said that she wanted to herself was in to kill herself when she was in the royal family. said the royal family. she said it was she that was miserable. she said that someone racist about archie. someone was racist about archie. what person goes what kind of person who goes through terrible experience through that terrible experience then keeps using their royal titles? was me, get some titles? if that was me, get some self—respect, stop using the titles distance yourself titles and distance yourself from that from the institution that treated terribly. treated you so terribly. >> right, stop >> all right, we'll stop referring to as royal referring to you as his royal highness. come tonight. highness. still to come tonight. benjamin, rise benjamin, on the shocking rise in and i've got in anti—semitism and i've got some on john lewis some thoughts on john lewis latest initiative. latest walk initiative. but next, sadiq has next, mayor sadiq khan has renamed the overground lines. i didn't think glamorous didn't think the glamorous beunda didn't think the glamorous belinda ever bothered belinda deluise ever bothered with she's with public transport, but she's got on this

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you're listening to gb news radio show . radio show. >> welcome back to the saturday five. as always. cheers for your company and your emails. we have got one here from russell who has written in and he very blithely says, has albee been smoking crack? well the dog that's in the after dark saturday five. we'll find out. just says the only way we can have a fair election is to ban postal voting , except for postal voting, except for housebound and disabled people. i think there's a real conversation to be had about that. linda says. a vote for reform is a vote for reform. um, it's reform is a vote for reform. um, wsfime reform is a vote for reform. um, it's time to vote for what we want. conservatives will pay a price for their betrayal. and then chris, good evening chris. he it's time for proportion he says it's time for proportion representation instead of only tory or labour getting power. it's ridiculous that parties like have a

like reform can never have a chance of winning. well, now it's chance of winning. well, now wsfime chance of winning. well, now it's time for our next debate, folks. belinda is going to lead our next discussion. belinda what's caught your eye? well, king kahn's latest remodelling of his kingdom of london in the form of renaming six train lines, is a worrying sign of what is to come under a labour government for the whole country i >> -- >> two of 5mm >> two of the train lines are renamed lioness and suffragette from the very labour woke bngade from the very labour woke brigade , who champion a man's brigade, who champion a man's right to access women's safe spaces and destroy women's sports . peak hypocrisy. there. sports. peak hypocrisy. there. one is renamed windrush line. all credit to those who helped rebuild parts of london after world war ii. but you can bet that renaming anything after the white working class, the very impoverished hands that built this ancient country and capital over two millennia, will never happen under labour. and who gets to decide anyway? the perpetual offended labour voting britain bashers we've seen how

labour councils froth at the mouth, replacing many british street names already. we don't demand towns or cities named by our viking and roman colonisers like scunthorpe or london are renamed because we can contextualise history , something contextualise history, something labour clearly lacked the intelligence to do so once blm kneeling, keir is in power. woke lectures at every turn will be on turbocharge at huge cost to the taxpayer. khan has just given us a taste of what's to come . so now, despite this come. so now, despite this costing the taxpayer millions, i think it was 6.3 million. on his latest woke vanity project. can you imagine when keir comes into power and he is the king of identity politics? are all our street city names street names? i mean, is manchester going to be renamed? they chester to be inclusive? i mean, what is going to happen? can the tories not quickly pass a law before they go to stop the naming of our historic streets and places? and, and this woke trainline? >> do you know what gets me,

beunda? >> do you know what gets me, belinda? fact belinda? it's the fact that actually this country, actually in this country, we used to have this it basically the of the name the politicisation of the name of lines and things like that was never politicised . and it was never politicised. and it was never politicised. and it was always seen as a you know, you would either name it after a royal or something like that. and now we've got this. it's almost soviet esque in its desire to actually create a form of , um, but desire to actually create a form of, um, but basically marxism 101, which is actually saying instead of naming things after great individuals, we're going to name things after abstract concepts like the nhs or, you know, the suffragettes . um, and know, the suffragettes. um, and i actually worry about moving down that sort of direction . down that sort of direction. where we actually forget about the great people , as you rightly the great people, as you rightly say, who built this great nation. >> has that got to do with marxism? >> i just didn't quite get that, because the soviets actually used actually talk about used to actually talk about abstract concepts like farming. well at leningrad. well look at leningrad. yes, stalin grad. >> mean, you know, they named

>> i mean, you know, they named political people. well, they're named very political named it's a very political movement. these these are movement. these are these are more i'm not saying more movements. i'm not saying no should anything. no one should name anything. window rush or suffragette. i'm just the country. just saying consult the country. have a of a local mini have a sort of a local mini referendum. get the referendum. get 50% of the people there there's people out there if there's going be something as going to be something as fundamental change, tell fundamental as change, if i tell you hopping lioness, i'll you hopping on the lioness, i'll get done for a hate crime. >> they extensive >> they did extensive consultation with communities, >> they did extensive consthat'sin with communities, >> they did extensive consthat's howth communities, >> they did extensive consthat's how these1munities, >> they did extensive consthat's how these nameses, >> they did extensive consthat's how these names would and that's how these names would come i think that come up with. so i think that answers your question. >> labour voting, britain >> no labour voting, britain bashing type communities. you know , for you, labour is far know, for you, labour is far more anti—british and anti patriotic. >> they lobby for the benjamin butterworth line. but unfortunately i voted out. but the truth is that, you know, you're saying that this is a politicisation of these situations actually we have places like east india quay that's a stop on the docklands light railway. you can put that into that is named after a company that was indulging in slave trade , which is abhorrent. slave trade, which is abhorrent. i bet. hang on. no no no, let me finish. don't talk over me. the fact is that we name things

after slave traders and you for after slave traders and you for a long time have furiously defended that as being part of our history. why is it okay our history. so why is it okay to slave to name after slave trading companies, after women companies, but not after women who fought for the vote? >> button the >> benjamin button with the names rubbish. that's names are just rubbish. that's the problem. bet the five of the problem. i bet the five of us actually come the us actually come answer the question. the five of us could come up with better names than the sadiq khan and the names that sadiq khan and his minions. >> w- e had some his minions. >> had some good >> spikes online had some good ideas. sorry. >> can i just say the >> can i just say ask the question why okay name >> can i just say ask the questafterrhy okay name >> can i just say ask the quest after slave okay name >> can i just say ask the quest after slave traders name >> can i just say ask the quest after slave traders butame stuff after slave traders but not suffragettes? because they weren't lionesses or doctors. >> named >> the streets weren't named because slave traders. because they were slave traders. they celebrating they were celebrating the slave trade naming it was trade by naming them. it was because men with tenure because those men with tenure links to slavery went on and did great things for the countries built hospitals like saint guy's hospital , you know, built hospital, you know, built libraries, built universities . libraries, built universities. and that's why they had a street named them. named after them. >> why not things after >> so why not name things after the suffragettes the same the suffragettes by the same argument? spoken. argument? you've spoken. >> they were like >> they they were like a terrorist organisation, basically suffragists. terrorist organisation, basi(it's' suffragists. terrorist organisation, basi(it's coming suffragists. terrorist organisation, basi(it's coming out,fragists. terrorist organisation, basi(it's coming out, now;ts. terrorist organisation, basi(it's coming out, now it's now it's coming out, now it's true. did i say anything inaccurate? just there. >> you're exactly the same reason wouldn't

reason we wouldn't be able to have a churchill which is have a churchill line, which is what would have, by the way, what i would have, by the way, or line. people like you. >> sorry, i think i think you're actually the problem with churchill is that he was a massive racist. i think you're all think you're all missing all i think you're all missing the point. all getting the point. you're all getting bogged name bogged down in why can't we name it after this and this when the actual, uh, situation is everyone's they're everyone's skint, they're cash strapped, is strapped, yet sadiq khan is spending taxpayer spending £6 million of taxpayer money the tube line. money renaming the tube line. well, what's the point well, hang on, what's the point of that? >> got e“. >> we've got to say what we would call a line. i've said churchill line. belinda, what we do call one. >> oh, well, i'd always do churchill or farage thatcherite. >> line. the line's >> farage line. the line's actually line. actually already line. >> i wouldn't, i prefer, >> no, i wouldn't, i prefer, i prefer a cameron line, the prefer a cameron line, but the lighter the line's actually already had names of the north london line, the south london line and the east london. >> point. he spent £6 >> that's my point. he spent £6 million on what? what's million on it. for what? what's my line? what's your line? county lines? >> yeah, i hope not. >> yeah, i hope not. >> no, i don't know what i'd call the line, but i think you tories are just angry because it's not got a double barrelled

name, that's all. >> no, i think up and down the country, if labour get in, you will see precious historic street names, university place names completely changed and replaced millions replaced at the cost of millions to taxpayer, says benjamin butterworth. >> indeed. >> well, yes indeed. >> well, yes indeed. >> now email in gb views >> now folks, email in gb views at gb news. com with your line now asking now still ahead, i'll be asking why john lewis are giving kids advice breast binders. but advice on breast binders. but next, benjamin lead the way next, benjamin will lead the way as discuss the shock and rise as we discuss the shock and rise in anti—semitism and the continuing in the middle continuing war in the middle east. for east. calls continue for a ceasefire but were having none of this studio. we'll of it in this studio. we'll carry on giving benjamin the stick that he deserves. you with the saturday five live on gb news

use it as a shield to keep him away from things. >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> welcome back to the saturday five. as always, cheers for your company and cheers for your emails. valerie's just written in and she's not holding back, shall we say? she says the east india quay is named after the east india dock, which is its old name, and it was named after

the india company that the east india company that built benjamin argument is built it. benjamin argument is like selfridges can't be like saying selfridges can't be named after selfridges because the owner a bad man. mind the owner was a bad man. mind you, if the left had their way, they probably would say that. well, valerie , and then well, said valerie, and then actually had a bit of actually we had a bit of criticism for me. chris has written in and chris says actually, she has a lot of sympathy and time for prince harry having to live with queen camilla, the woman who of course broke up the marriage of her princess diana and the king. the now king, which is fair enough. and helen says the train line renaming is totally stupid and confusing, especially if you don't use them daily. people outside of london probably, you know, very confused. >> yeah, but coming to a town near you soon, the whole lot. >> benjamin butterworth will be on the renaming committee now, though, it's time for our next debate. it is indeed benjamin. benjamin, what have you got for us? >> well, the news came this week that every jew in britain already knew anti—semitism is at its highest in 40 years, up 589%

since the slaughter of innocent israelis on the 7th of october. isn't that disgusting? what other group sees their own people slaughtered overseas , people slaughtered overseas, then becomes the victim of hate crimes in a foreign country? you don't see russians receiving that kind of racism because of the vile acts of vladimir putin. and i think that tells you a lot. you know, the fact is that some of these people on the palestine protests , the likes of palestine protests, the likes of which we saw again today, which we saw yet again today, they're it because they're they're doing it because they're concerned well—being concerned about the well—being of gaza and about the of people in gaza and about the stability of the middle east. but others there are doing it out of a hatred of israel. that manifests in hatred of jews. manifests in a hatred of jews. they are calling a foreign diaspora responsible for the action. they're holding a diaspora in this country responsible. pardon me for the actions of a foreign state. now you know what? call a spade a spade. you know what? call a spade a spade . that is racism . and spade. that is racism. and israel has a right to defend itself, but not like this. >> it doesn't. benjamin, i don't

think israel has the right to tell people to go to rafah bomb the rest of the country and then ask them to leave rafah to the parts of the country that they've just bombed because they want to bomb rafah. well, that's not reasonable , is it? not reasonable, is it? >> i've got good news for you, albie. there's a really simple way solve that. that those way to solve that. that those thousands marching and thousands of people marching and screaming streets screaming on the streets can listen and called listen to, and it's called giving back the hostages. >> but how can you >> and i agree, but how can you say israel has a right to defend itself? if there's no itself? as if as if there's no limit on what that right could be? benjamin, i do think they've got a right to defend themselves, this. themselves, but not like this. >> know i say? i say >> you know what i say? i say bnng >> you know what i say? i say bring them home. okay. it's written on my t shirt. this is the kind of that people in the kind of thing that people in the kind of thing that people in the are saying the streets are saying and chanting, and they get anti—semitic because of anti—semitic abuse because of it. think we should it. and i don't think we should have area it comes have a grey area when it comes to that. >> i agree you. do you know >> i agree with you. do you know what these protests started even before israel had lifted a finger in retaliation? it was a day after october the day or two after october the 7th, to me says it all. 7th, which to me says it all. however, that doesn't mean that and joe

and the us has said this. joe biden said this. that biden has said this. that doesn't mean that they're allowed indiscriminately bomb allowed to indiscriminately bomb what did you say? well, what did you say? oh, well, that's biden it. it must be. >> well, he's well, many people have said it. let me finish my point. that doesn't mean that israel indiscriminately bomb israel can indiscriminately bomb the of with. and the hell out of gaza with. and this my biggest this is my most my biggest concern, deaths of thousands concern, the deaths of thousands of children. there of innocent children. there seems the israeli seems to be, from the israeli side, concept that somehow side, this concept that somehow israeli worth israeli kids lives are worth more palestinian more than palestinian lives. i want them to stop the killing of all children. then back all children. then i back israel's right defend itself. israel's right to defend itself. of course . and if you saw the of course. and if you saw the scenes on the streets of london today, absolute clowns walking around including, around with placards including, for don't for some reason, uh, don't attack yemen or something akin to that doesn't mean to that, but that doesn't mean that have indiscriminate that we can have indiscriminate bombing of, uh, of gaza . bombing of, uh, of gaza. >> the bombing, of course, is not what anybody wants in principle. of course, i, like everybody else, wants a ceasefire. what we have is ceasefire. but what we have is people ignoring the fact that hamas has turned down any chance of a ceasefire. it believes in perpetuity in attacking israel until and this is in its

constitution, it eradicates the jewish state. and lots of these people on the streets are actually supporters of hamas. i think we've got video. yeah think we've got a video. yeah i agree, of this being , uh, agree, okay, of this being, uh, having muck thrown at them today because were saying hamas because they were saying hamas is group is a terrorist group organisation. don't do that to him. >> don't know . him. >> don't know. him, please . man. >> don't know. him, please. man. man . man. >> now, isn't that deplorable ? >> now, isn't that deplorable? >> now, isn't that deplorable? >> i would have loved to have been down there today. >> don't you understand, haaland, that these people are sympathise terrorists? i sympathise with terrorists? i do, shouldn't have do, and you shouldn't have a grey in taking them off. grey area in taking them off. >> absolutely, because it's >> i absolutely, because it's not as that. it's not not as binary as that. it's not just israel, right. palestine hamas. you need to hamas. wrong. it's you need to be there indiscriminately bombing absolutely agree bombing gaza. i absolutely agree with points. those with you on all points. those people today, as people in london today, and as we've for the past months, we've seen for the past months, a of them absolute clowns. >> that's just not true. as far as urban warfare is concerned. the fact that actually israel is indiscriminately bombing, that's the fact that actually israel is inditrue. inately bombing, that's the fact that actually israel is inditrue. there'sbombing, that's the fact that actually israel is inditrue. there's too bing, that's the fact that actually israel is inditrue. there's too manythat's not true. there's too many children dead. urban warfare is

concerned. the un averages for the loss of life in israel . what the loss of life in israel. what they've managed to do in gaza is far below the average of death, or thousands of thousands of dead kids in thousands of people that work and support hamas have been killed. and actually, i think that's a damn good thing. after what hamas . after what hamas. >> what do you say about the dead kids in palestine? >> i say that that the >> i say that actually that the hamas give the hamas ought to give up the hostages and then this wouldn't happen. >> say that it's bad for palestinians to be killed, to have ceasefire only the other have a ceasefire only the other day. >> and they were point blank. >> and they were point blank. >> and they were point blank. >> and until say no. >> and until say no. >> and until say no. >> and i think it's disgusting. why can't you just say it's bad for palestinian kids to be killed? you say it's okay that hamas don't have underground tunnels. well, i have said this many where just said many where you just said i have. >> said many times on the >> i have said many times on the show, darren grimes, that i think what hamas have done to israel just glibly israel is but you just glibly and naively just said that they should get out. >> however, you, however, can't say bad for say that it's bad for palestinian killed, palestinian kids to be killed, that don't right to that they don't have a right to be time out, time out guys

be okay. time out, time out guys don't right to be in a don't have a right to be in a time out. i think on that clip, what's absolutely baffling me what's absolutely baffling to me is like albie aren't is that people like albie aren't backed. the police don't say to them, right, you can't actually harass this man and throw dirt a double standard. they actually turn round and say, you don't have a right to say no. >> they say, hide your david starkey star of david. >> they say, hide your david sta peaceful of david. >> they say, hide your david sta peaceful protesters might >> peaceful protesters might attack you. >> right? my i'm completely >> right? so my i'm completely and with benjamin i and utterly with benjamin 100. i think being killed, think children being killed, innocent children killed think children being killed, inn overt children killed think children being killed, inn overt chiworld killed think children being killed, inn overt chiworld at killed think children being killed, inn overt chiworld at the lilled think children being killed, inn overt chiworld at the moment all over the world at the moment . it's horrific. every child . it's horrific. and every child child's death is equally as horrific . tens of thousands are horrific. tens of thousands are being killed in nigeria at the moment. got people, women moment. you've got people, women , being , children, people being persecuted and killed in many conflict zones all the way around the world. and yet no one speaks up them and the speaks up about them and the reason why children and women and innocent men, the ones that are there, that are innocent, are there, that are innocent, are being killed in palestine is because using them as because hamas are using them as a shield. they are a human shield. they are literally protecting their selves putting their people selves by putting their people in front of them to die. they

are the murderers. has are the murderers. israel has gone efforts. we've gone to such efforts. we've never gone to those efforts in iraq or when we bombed nazi germany. send them germany. we didn't send them leaflets evacuate leaflets and try and evacuate the civilians then. israel the civilians then. but israel has done so much. they've done all that can, and they'll all that they can, and they'll be doing the world a favour to get of terrorist islamists get rid of terrorist islamists like, you know what? get rid of terrorist islamists likeso3u know what? get rid of terrorist islamists likeso ir know what? get rid of terrorist islamists likeso i alsow what? get rid of terrorist islamists likeso i also agreet? get rid of terrorist islamists likeso i also agree with >> so i also agree with benjamin. i agree with belinda, but i absolutely do think, though, it's people that though, that it's people that you offer succour support to you offer succour and support to benjamin ones that benjamin who are the ones that are championing are actually championing what hamas i say, but also what hamas dare i say, but also what the palestinian people continue to vote for, which is hamas. >> so many people have said to me, well, how can you be left wing and support israel? well, i don't care if supporting israel means i'm not a part of your tribe that i didn't ask to be in in the first place. fact is, in the first place. the fact is, i'm the flaming i'm so sick of the flaming hypocrisy people that see hypocrisy of people that see immigration in this immigration issues in this country. people say, go country. and when people say, go back where you're from, they back to where you're from, they say racist. and i would say that's racist. and i would agree and it agree with them. and yet when it comes to jews and the people comes to the jews and the people that in israel, they're that live in israel, they're telling it's not telling them, oh, it's not really land. go back to

really your land. go back to where you came from. well, what do go to? iraq, to egypt, do they go to? iraq, to egypt, to saudi arabia? no, to iran, to saudi arabia? no, they because jews they can't, because the jews were of all those were kicked out of all those countries. that is why i countries. and that is why i stand israel, because they stand by israel, because they are life as the are fighting for life as the fighting jews for the i fighting jews for the world. i am right for death. and this am right not for death. and this some people say this is a foreign, foreign war. we shouldn't involved well, foreign, foreign war. we stell dn't involved well, foreign, foreign war. we stell you involved well, foreign, foreign war. we stell you what,volved well, foreign, foreign war. we stell you what, the ed well, foreign, foreign war. we stell you what, the fight well, foreign, foreign war. we stell you what, the fight forzll, i tell you what, the fight for freedom is very much our responsibility and to add on to that, right, where are the where's the condemnation for the 22 arab countries that have refused to take a single person in right now? refused to take a single person in where'sht now? refused to take a single person in where's theow? refused to take a single person in where's the condemnation? refused to take a single person in becausethe condemnation? refused to take a single person in because theyondemnation? refused to take a single person in because they know1nation? refused to take a single person in because they know they)n? refused to take a single person in because they know they know >> because they know they know the palestinians and hamas will kill their own people, will offer their children up to offer their own children up to sacrifice for their death cult. and that's protesters and that's the protesters should be up. be holding placards up. >> can i ask you guys criticising hamas? can ask you criticising hamas? can i ask you guys simple question? guys a simple question? of course needs course hamas needs to be obliterated, right? >> going to have go to >> we're going to have to go to a break. benjamin ben lee oh, sorry. are calling for sorry. people are calling for a boycott lewis. i'm going boycott of john lewis. i'm going to they might have a to ask if they might have a point. with the saturday point. you're with the saturday five news

welcome back to the saturday five. you'll be pleased to learn benjamin butterworth has indeed . benjamin butterworth has indeed. put his clothes back on. put your emails have been flying in tonight, i'm delighted to say. let's read out a couple. sharon's written in, sharon says i refuse to use the new idiotic tube line names. why didn't we get a vote on things like this? i'll refer to the line by the colour. well done, mayor khan. another complete waste of taxpayer money. well that's him told. says. did told. and matt says. did benjamin just travel back benjamin be just travel back in time to swing in 60s to get time to the swing in 60s to get that t shirt? well, he's never been for fashion has been one for fashion sense has he. has a good message at he. but it has a good message at least now it's for our next least now it's time for our next debate. going to finish us debate. i'm going to finish us off tonight. folks , so to speak. >> oh dear. blimey the body shop right . right. >> that plummeted into administration . fresh off administration. fresh off lecturing jk rowling with a

vegan bath bomb and trans activist books go woke go broke . activist books go woke go broke. it's not just a saying, folks. it's not just a saying, folks. it's practically a prophecy. britain wants a napoleons nation of shopkeepers now seems more like a nation obsessed with air absurdities and wokeness run amok. diversity equality and inclusion. these are the buzzwords drowning our british business giants in a swamp of identity politics. john lewis was once a shining beacon in retail . well, it's now lost in retail. well, it's now lost in soho shadows. given the majority . the cold shoulder. but they lost £230 million in 2022 and they've got shops closing left, right and centre. so what's their master plan, you might ask. well it's staff word search is on queer deadnaming and the latest woke lexicon. the champion and controversial groups like stonewall and even mermaids , which are currently,

mermaids, which are currently, by the way, being scrutinised over safeguarding concerns . and over safeguarding concerns. and don't get us started on this idea , city magazine that they've idea, city magazine that they've put out 32 pages of radical ideas about biological. put out 32 pages of radical ideas about biological . sex. ideas about biological. sex. they're treating retail excellence for celebrating pansexual visibility day and spotlighting colleagues in bon voyage gear and those they claim pass as women , too. i bet their pass as women, too. i bet their female staff have a thing or two about the person on screen in passing as a woman. so a bit of a friendly advice for john lewis. how about putting products before pronouns ? how products before pronouns? how about putting shareholders before self—identification obsessions? or maybe just keep on? there's like nothing . on? there's like nothing. watching a self—righteous lot like you sink in the quagmire of your own wokeness proven us right once again, benjamin butterworth, i want to ask, when did you get the job at john

lewis? >> most of my kitchen's from john lewis, so clearly it suits me. look i like when companies do this , you know, 20, 30 years do this, you know, 20, 30 years ago, it was a it was legal in this country for companies like john lewis or any other to sack someone because they were gay or transgender or description like that. and now we have a situation where they embrace their employees and customers that are different. i want to live in a society that looks like this version of john. >> sorry, there's a difference between being and the trans between being gay and the trans ideology sweeping the nation. they had a bag there. did you see that? the picture of that bag which says, uh, don't worry, it's natural. i'm sorry, what's natural about chopping your body parts off? if it was natural, you wouldn't need a surgeon. well, also, though, i don't know what homosexuality me being gay has to with wearing bondage has to do with wearing bondage gear john going to gear is john lewis going to start collection? well, start its own collection? well, it's natural. start its own collection? well, it's that's ural. start its own collection? well, it's that's the. start its own collection? well, it's that's the body shop bag >> yes, that's the body shop bag that one. >> yes, that's the body shop bag tha ande. >> yes, that's the body shop bag tha and i think but i think it's >> and i think but i think it's fantastic that companies are embracing of embracing this kind of diversity. want to live

diversity. i don't want to live in the 1950s where we all have to abide by a narrow existence, a narrow. >> i don't want him serving me. my >> i don't want him serving me. my oranges are bananas, the expression. my oranges are bananas, the expressi0|like companies reflecting. >> i'm gonna come to you just after i've read this statement. we've statement john we've got a statement from john lewis. see what you think of it. it says we want the partnership to a place where people can to be a place where people can work or shop with confidence, irrespective of their backgrounds. multiple studies, including those from the government, show that trans people of people are at higher risk of hate and discrimination. hate crimes and discrimination. and magazine created and this magazine was created by our lgbt ikea plus network to champion understanding and support. it's been positive received by the huge majority of our partners, all mighty i read it, i'm just so. >> i think we're so saturated by this constant like verbal diarrhoea of gender ideology nonsense being run, run, shoved down our throat. >> and benjamin keeps saying, i don't want to live in a world, but i don't want to live in a world where my daughters have to share a changing room with

blokes in frocks calling themselves barbers. not themselves barbers. i'm not saying like that. saying they're all like that. many many are genuine, many aren't. many are genuine, but abuse you know but many abuse it. and you know they benjamin, you they abuse it. benjamin, you seriously anyway, you have no skin the game because you're. skin in the game because you're. let finish, abby. the thing let me finish, abby. the thing about is this of about this is this preaching of gender ideology is faith based. so it'd be like company so it'd be like a company sending out magazines saying, you know, convert to islam or convert christianity. convert to christianity. it is a faith based, highly controversial has controversial ideology that has no hr . we used to be no place in hr. we used to be a country that was a beacon of hope to women and girls who had breast in who breast ironing in africa, who had genital in other had genital mutilation in other countries , and now they're countries, and now they're looking at us and we're doing the thing to our own girls. the same thing to our own girls. but under cloak of woke. but under the cloak of woke. it's disgusting. abuse of trust and always attack on women and girls. >> and i agree completely. but it also accepts this gender ideology as fact, as fact. to it also accepts this gender idecitygy as fact, as fact. to it also accepts this gender idecit outis fact, as fact. to it also accepts this gender idecit out there , as fact. to it also accepts this gender idecit out there and fact. to it also accepts this gender idecit out there and say. to it also accepts this gender idecit out there and say that put it out there and say that it's reproach. but but, it's beyond reproach. but but, abby, i know your head of lgbt two space penguin and lgbt plus conservatives. do you not accept that this lgbtqia plus fixation

actually sounds more like a waitrose soup than it does a part of british life and society? >> well, it's not a soup that i particularly want to drink, to be honest. all of this alphabet people stuff a bit too people stuff is all a bit too much for me . i people stuff is all a bit too much for me. i think the people stuff is all a bit too much for me . i think the core much for me. i think the core question is, though, you said go go broke is this the cause of john lewis's woes? i don't think it is. the high street is changing. they've got these massive in town centres massive stalls in town centres and can't make enough money. >> the of living crisis, >> the cost of living crisis, you need to actually you know, they need to actually focus on the business instead of focusing departments focus on the business instead of focusfattening departments focus on the business instead of focusfattening themirtments focus on the business instead of focusfattening them ,tments focus on the business instead of focusfattening them , because ever fattening them, because that to be the of our that seems to be the part of our problem, right? we're going to have to say goodbye now, though, i'm but that was one i'm afraid. but that was one hell of a show. i'm sure you'll all agree. cheers very much to my wonderful quartette alongside me. the biggest of me. but the biggest thanks, of course, our lovely course, goes to you, our lovely viewers. one viewer viewers. we'll let one viewer have the last word, lee says. am i? in a parallel universe? absolutely loving benjamin tonight. well, strange days indeed. tonight. well, strange days indeed . get your head checked, indeed. get your head checked, lee. i'm joking. next up, it's the brilliant leo kearse with

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continent head towards continent as we head towards lunchtime, many a lunchtime, and for many it's a much drier brighter day. much drier and brighter day. still. the risk of a few showers around, between there around, but in between there will be plenty of sunny spells . will be plenty of sunny spells. and for all of us, it is going to another mild day. to be another mild day. temperatures the south temperatures in the south potentially reaching 15 or 16 degrees. having a look at monday, another spell of rain working its way across the country. either side we will see some drier and brighter weather, especially as we go into the afternoon. plenty of sunny spells across the spells developing across the country we then see country, but we will then see thicker cloud and outbreaks of rain later across rain arriving later across western scotland. and that change will. theme continues into tuesday and wednesday. but all the for all of us, all the time for all of us, temperatures staying day into temperatures staying by day into double figures . double figures. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers as sponsors of . up. boxt boilers as sponsors of. weather on gb news

hello there. >> coming up on this saturday night showdown, a child pride parade in spain has nine year olds dressed in lingerie and fetish gear dancing for adults who organise this parade and also what spanish for jesus? get the wood chipper and one of the world's most iconic paintings, michelangelo's creation of adam is now racist . white supremacist is now racist. white supremacist patriarchy . according to patriarchy. according to a progressive academic . does progressive academic. does anyone else get the feeling that these people are running out of things to call racist? and the trans assistant secretary of health in the usa , rachel health in the usa, rachel levine, has said the climate change is racist. no, i'm not playing woke bingo. this is the news and this is your saturday night showdown .