to gb news sunday. welcome to gb news sunday. thanks for joining welcome to gb news sunday. thanks forjoining us welcome to gb news sunday. thanks for joining us this lunchtime. i'm ben elliott, and for the next hours i'll be for the next two hours i'll be keeping you company on tv, onune keeping you company on tv, online and digital radio. coming keeping you company on tv, onlthisand digital radio. coming keeping you company on tv, onlthis hour. gital radio. coming keeping you company on tv, onlthis hour. siral radio. coming keeping you company on tv, onlthis hour. sir keiriio. coming keeping you company on tv, onlthis hour. sir keir starmer ng up this hour. sir keir starmer says labour can deliver international security for decades while launching a dramatic slap of be dramatic slap down of would be us president donald trump. sir keir reassured european allies at security conference in at the security conference in germany that nato would be in safe hands under his watch. but i'm asking should the person who's odds on favourite to be our pm be taking pot shots our next pm be taking pot shots at the donald? meanwhile, things are going from bad to worse for rishi sunak . as many as 100 tory rishi sunak. as many as 100 tory mps are planning to stand down before the general election later this but though later this year. but even though the for the tories look set for a crushing defeat, should these mps face the music mps stand and face the music rather than jumping ship? i've got my thoughts that no got my thoughts on that and no way back . that's the message way back. that's the message being reported today as palace insiders harry insiders insist prince harry will not be allowed a temporary role as a working royal while the cancer the king undergoes cancer treatment. so was that the

duke's ? and as duke's plan all along? and as even duke's plan all along? and as ever, this show is nothing without you and your views . let without you and your views. let me know your thoughts on all of today's stories we'll be discussing. email me gb views at gbnews.com. especially, i'm gb news.com. especially, i'm really gbnews.com. especially, i'm really keen on this prince harry story. what a turn of events in just hours. friday day, just 24 hours. friday day, prince harry might be coming back royal fold today. back into the royal fold today. sunday look the sunday morning. look at the headunes sunday morning. look at the headlines the sunday papers. headlines on the sunday papers. no back for prince harry. no way back for prince harry. the issuing a staunch the palace issuing a staunch slapdown of his plans. the palace issuing a staunch slapdown of his plans . we'll get slapdown of his plans. we'll get stuck into that and more. but first, here's your news with sofia . sofia. >> thanks, ben. good afternoon. it's 1:01. i'm >> thanks, ben. good afternoon. it's1:01. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . first is some the gb newsroom. first is some breaking news. the keir starmer has told the scottish labour conference that the war in gaza must stop now. the labour leader brushed aside a pause in fighting , calling instead for fighting, calling instead for a permanent ceasefire . he also permanent ceasefire. he also said that even the most terrible

circumstances, a two state solution, must be back on the table. we'll bring you more as we get it . the white house has we get it. the white house has blamed inaction by republicans in the us congress for russia's capture of ukrainian city. kyiv ordered the withdrawal of troops from the eastern city of avdiivka early yesterday, giving moscow its first major gain since the fall of bakhmut last yeah since the fall of bakhmut last year. us president joe biden warned last week that a shortage of ammunition in ukraine could see the city fall into russian hands as he pushed republicans to urgently pass more military aid . russian president vladimir aid. russian president vladimir putin praised the city's capture, calling it an important victory . former senior military victory. former senior military intelligence officer philip ingram told gb news ukraine needs more support. >> loss of avdiivka is significant. um, the ukrainians have been holding on to that since 2014. um, and fighting the russians. but they've made the sensible military decision not to sacrifice any more of their troops to keep this completely

decimated piece of territory. um, the russians are making some advances from a one dimensional perspective on the frontline. but but these advances are are tiny at the moment, and it's purely because russia has got more ammunition from north korea and from iran. um, and the ukrainians are suffering a shortage of ammunition coming from the west. >> more than 400 people have been detained across 32 russian cities since the death of alexei navalny on friday. it's the biggest wave of unrest since september 2022, when more than 1300 were arrested for protesting against forced military services. part of president putin's effort to cover heavy casualties endured in ukraine. russian state media, which is controlled by the government, has made no mention of the arrests or the many memorial services for mr navalny . meanwhile, authorities have been accused of doing everything they can to avoid handing over mr navalny's body to his family. yesterday the 69 year old mother of vladimir putin's most vocal

critic visited the remote penal colony where he died . she says colony where he died. she says she was told his body had been taken to a nearby morgue. but when she arrived, she found it had been closed. mr navalny's spokespeople claim his death was orchestrated by the russian president . that's been rejected president. that's been rejected by the kremlin political analyst and russian exile valery morozov told gb news it looks like revenge , but it was a payback revenge, but it was a payback for navalny and the people who were behind. >> they've just decided that, you know, putin has enough support. about 70, 80, uh, the there is no problem and just to get rid of navalny, they've sent him from the prison , which was him from the prison, which was about 200km from moscow to far north. and let him stay there and die . and die. >> and for the latest story , >> and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to

ben . ben. >> thanks very much to fear. so it's not just prince harry making headlines this morning. sir keir starmer is making waves as well, not least for comments he's made at the scottish labour conference 30 conference in the last 30 minutes or he's again minutes or so. he's again reiterated the call for a ceasefire in gaza. he said i've just returned from the munich security conference, where every conversation i had came back to the situation in israel and gaza and the question of what we can do practically to deliver what we all want to see an end to the killing of innocent palestinians, scaling palestinians, a huge scaling up of humanitarian relief and an end to the fighting . um, also, end to the fighting. um, also, sir keir starmer, he has been, um, well , i'd sir keir starmer, he has been, um, well, i'd say sir keir starmer, he has been, um, well , i'd say criticised um, well, i'd say criticised this morning and in my opinion, slightly unwise by saying, uh, labour can deliver security for decades and is ready to make the difficult decisions over international security, which as we delve into this and i'll reveal in a second, was a bar, but us president donald trump, now the labour leader, used the

security conference in munich to assure nato allies that he would seek to, quote, rebuild, renew and resource the nato alliance rather than, quote, divide and threaten. in reference to trump's warning that he wouldn't protect countries that fail to pay protect countries that fail to pay their bills . for now, pay their bills. for now, joining me on this is political commentator benedict spence . commentator benedict spence. good afternoon. benedict. um look, this comes off the back of david lammy's comments a few months back where he called donald trump a sociopath or something akin to that . it's something akin to that. it's definitely going to rub him up the wrong way. sir keir the wrong way. was sir keir right bearing in mind it's likely these two faces trump and starmer going to be in power starmer are going to be in power probably within this year. was sir keir to be taking pot sir keir right to be taking pot shots at trump like this ? shots at trump like this? >> i actually think it's fine to take pot shots at trump because donald shots at donald trump takes pot shots at everybody. if there's everybody. i think if there's one who knows the one person who knows how the game donald trump. game works, it's donald trump. and i mean, we saw this with bofis and i mean, we saw this with boris johnson. able to boris johnson. he was able to sort the broadside sort of launch the odd broadside against take them against the donald and take them back, and they ended up having a

perfectly fine working relationship, as did theresa may and donald trump for a while. um he's think, you he's somebody who i think, you know, more than happy to take know, is more than happy to take and hand insults . but when and hand out insults. but when it to nitty it gets down to the nitty gritty, um, of diplomacy, i think he's think it's probably he's probably a straight probably quite a straight shooter. the issue is, shooter. and the issue is, i think more for, uh, you know, in many ways it's very easy to take pot shots at donald trump, especially left wing especially if you're a left wing politician. actually, when politician. but actually, when you're talking about the nato alliance you're alliance and you're talking about the defence of europe, it's question power it's a question of hard power and the long and short of it is the united states has the vast military. it has, you know, military. it has, you know, military bases in europe. has military bases in europe. it has nuclear weapons in europe without doubt, united states without doubt, the united states and backing actually, europe and its backing actually, europe is incredibly threadbare. and and its backing actually, europe is irquestion'slreadbare. and and its backing actually, europe is irquestion's by,dbare. and and its backing actually, europe is irquestion's by, uh,'e. and and its backing actually, europe is irquestion's by, uh, senior the question's by, uh, senior american politics, not just politicians , not just donald politicians, not just donald trump, but others about other countries in nato , their countries in nato, their spending and their commitment to the alliance . i think a very the alliance. i think a very justified. and they go down very well with american voters . so well with american voters. so it's all very well. keir starmer, you know, taking aim at

donald trump for his usual sort of bombastic rhetoric. but actually it is the labour is the labour leader , whether he, you labour leader, whether he, you know, whenever he becomes prime minister uk actually minister is the uk actually going person, going to be the person, the nafion going to be the person, the nation guarantees other nation that guarantees other countries safety in europe ? the countries safety in europe? the answer is probably not given , as answer is probably not given, as we the well—documented we know, the well—documented shortfalls of our own armed forces at the moment. >> yeah. so i mean, david lammy, who previously in recent months >> yeah. so i mean, david lammy, who prethat;ly in recent months >> yeah. so i mean, david lammy, who prethat donaldcent months >> yeah. so i mean, david lammy, who prethat donald trumponths >> yeah. so i mean, david lammy, who prethat donald trump wass >> yeah. so i mean, david lammy, who prethat donald trump was a, he said that donald trump was a, quote, woman hating neo nazi sympathising sociopath that was the exact quote. um, but uh, today lammy is expected . he's of today lammy is expected. he's of course, the, uh, the shadow foreign secretary. he's expected to say that he understands calls from the us for a more, quote, equitable sharing of the western security burden. so is he taking a slightly different tack to starmer there? >> i think i think so, i mean, again, it's one of those things where, you know, david lammy went from the safety of opposition, says something about the next president. and if, if the next president. and if, if the president were to ever hear it's that think he

it's not that i think he probably david lammy probably knows who david lammy is, probably shrug and go, is, it probably shrug and go, all right, let's slap that on a poster and poster somewhere and it'll probably polling. probably help my polling. i think, actually keir think, you know, actually keir starmer has done quite well in the couple of months at the last couple of months at treading fine line treading a very fine line diplomatically we this, diplomatically and we see this, uh, his attitude towards uh, in his attitude towards benjamin been benjamin netanyahu. there's been lots the left of lots of calls from the left of the labour party to denounce israel, a unilateral israel, to call for a unilateral ceasefire earlier on. ceasefire much earlier on. starmer i think , starmer recognises, i think, that he's the man that's going to to be picking the phone to have to be picking the phone to have to be picking the phone to bibi and to people like donald future, and donald trump in the future, and he's to have to be dealing he's going to have to be dealing with them. one on one, that with them. one on one, and that he those kind of he needs to avoid those kind of awkward conversations where, you know, potentially there bit know, potentially there is a bit of now, i don't think of bad blood. now, i don't think trump's to mind too much. trump's going to mind too much. uh think with the uh but i think we saw with the netanyahu thing, uh, starmer is i a hotter on this i think, a lot hotter on this issue than a lot of other labour backbenchers. and that's actually, ways, the sign actually, in many ways, the sign of good leader, of good of a good leader, of a good politician. though, politician. equally though, i think shot donald think that a shot across donald trump's munich trump's bows at a munich security very well security conference is very well for signalling . but ultimately for signalling. but ultimately the, know, the future of the, you know, the future of europe is going to have to be

decided by or not europe decided by whether or not europe wants its socks. wants to pull up its own socks. and you see this in and right now you see this in terms how money is being terms of how much money is being spent by eastern european nations, particular, nations, poland in particular, but their but also finland on their defences. think that that defences. and i think that that is you will see key is where you will see the key key differences, or not key differences, whether or not donald words on the donald trump's words on the future of nato have had any bearing. benedict. good >> okay, benedict. good stuff. my >> okay, benedict. good stuff. my concern that, in my my only concern is that, in my opinion, trump doesn't opinion, donald trump doesn't forget those kind things. forget those kind of things. he's loyalty, hence why he's big on loyalty, hence why he's friendly with nigel he's so friendly with nigel farage. um, actually farage. still. um, and actually at biden is at a time when joe biden is perceived be, you less perceived to be, you know, less on friendly about the uk, i mean, he snubbed us a trade deal a few months back. i just think it's in our interest as a country to, you not rub country to, you know, not rub people wrong way, not people up the wrong way, not least trump, you least donald trump, who, you know, has quite know, arguably has a quite a fragile ego but is expense. thanks so much for us. thanks so much forjoining us. this morning. um, and also, trump make some great points trump did make some great points when power. he said when he was in power. he said that, know, wasn't that, you know, germany wasn't paying that, you know, germany wasn't paying of their paying their fair share of their nato contribution at a time when they were taking russian they were still taking russian gas. did have a point gas. so he did have a point there. but let's what my there. but let's see what my panel of today,

panel make of this. today, i'm joined commentator joined by political commentator joe former joe phillips and former government adviser claire pearsall. start pearsall. claire, let's start with you. should starmer have been shrewder today been a bit shrewder today instead taking pot shots at, instead of taking pot shots at, you likely the next us you know, likely the next us president, especially as president, especially a man, as i've said, as donald trump, i've just said, as donald trump, who's fairly ego , who's got a fairly fragile ego, to least. yeah. to say the least. yeah. >> you're quite right, >> and you're quite right, donald trump does. and don't donald trump does. and i don't think that if you're going to run around prime run around playing prime minister you minister when you're not, you have measured with have to be really measured with the you use. should the words that you use. should keir starmer end in number keir starmer end up in number 10, going to have to work 10, he's going to have to work with donald trump, whether he likes not, because think likes it or not, because i think we see that that's where we can all see that that's where it's going the american it's going with the american elections. should become elections. and he should become president. you can't just president. so you can't just make comments and expect make these comments and expect them to. and, them to not be listened to. and, and think you're that and i think you're right that donald trump a long memory. donald trump has a long memory. he keep mind should he will keep that in mind should the, know, should everything the, you know, should everything happen got a labour happen and you've got a labour prime minister come the of prime minister come the end of the year. joe >> mean, if someone had called >> i mean, if someone had called me a hating , neo nazi me a woman hating, neo nazi sympathising sociopath as david lammy about trump, lammy did about donald trump, i certainly wouldn't that. certainly wouldn't forget that. >> it's true. and

>> no, but it's true. and i completely what lammy's right? >> yeah, i completely with >> yeah, i completely agree with david >> yeah, i completely agree with davi(think donald trump unfit >> i think donald trump is unfit to president of the united to be president of the united states and i think what keir starmer has said, particularly within, you know, 48 hours of the death of alexis navalny, it's really important we've got, you know, bigger stories and trump's ego. we've got putin, who is undeniably responsible for navalny s death. we've got ukraine struggling. we've got a would be president of america saying , yeah, bring it on. i'll saying, yeah, bring it on. i'll tell whoever wants to attack europe but isn't that just donald trump? >> that's his leadership style, isn't it? >> well, that's like saying i mean, he went round calling kim jong un rocketman and he was he was the first president to meet jong un rocketman and he was he wnorth first president to meet jong un rocketman and he was he w north korean esident to meet jong un rocketman and he was he wnorth korean leader to meet jong un rocketman and he was he wnorth korean leader in meet jong un rocketman and he was he w north korean leader in the et a north korean leader in the demilitarised zone. a north korean leader in the deri litarised zone. a north korean leader in the deri mean, d zone. a north korean leader in the deri mean, itzone. a north korean leader in the deri mean, it worked, it worked. >> i mean, it worked, it worked. >> i mean, it worked, it worked. >> know, that's an >> but, you know, that's an argument not for argument that is not fit for leadership in a serious time that we live in. that's like the sort of the bloke who's a sexist pig, sort of the bloke who's a sexist pig, who's vile , who's

pig, who's vile, who's misogynist, who's racist, homophobic. and they go, oh, that's just ben. we have to have sensible leaders. we live in very dangerous times. we need caution , but sensible people. caution, but sensible people. i don't think that america has got a particularly great leader at the moment . the moment. >> you look at the problems you've got with joe biden doesn't know what day of the week it is. no, he doesn't. and i and i think there's some real health issues there. and i think that that should be taken seriously. what you had that that should be taken seriou donald what you had that that should be taken seriou donald trump,)u had you under donald trump, whether you loved loathe him, he's loved him or loathe him, he's still the promises still produced on the promises that out to fulfil his that he set out to fulfil his president. so whether you like him or loathe him, he does stick to his word. and he did go out there. he's met with people, he's met with presidents that no one else has. he had chats with putin and kim jong un. people like that. we may not see them as the great world leaders. however, they are there and they are powerful and they can't be ignored. >> and he's certainly got a base. but can we steer it back to sir keir starmer this morning? he's reiterate the morning? so he's reiterate the calls backing

calls that he's backing a ceasefire in gaza, of ceasefire in gaza, which of course going some course is going to put some distance between and the distance between him and the muslim labour supporters. there's muslim there's a website, the muslim vote.com, strategic , vote.com, which is strategic, trying any ceasefire to trying to oust any ceasefire to um, um, support courting labour candidates is this going to be an issue for sir keir going forward? >> i think unfortunately for sir keir starmer, who i don't doubt for one minute is a very decent man, but he seems to be incapable of making a decision or trusting his gut. we've just been talking about donald trump, who trusts gut and who perhaps trusts his gut and his too quickly, his instinct far too quickly, and jerk reaction . and it's a knee jerk reaction. um, i the labour party has um, i mean, the labour party has got itself in a terrible pickle, um, because of calls for a ceasefire, which the labour leader, keir starmer , and the leader, keir starmer, and the shadow cabinet have resisted . shadow cabinet have resisted. and up until now, because they've , you know, they've they've, you know, they've backed the same line as the government's line and most of the other european and, uh, joe biden's line that a ceasefire is meaningless unless it's actually going to work. you've got to get negotiation, but you've got to

get humanitarian aid. i mean, the truth is, ben, that, you know, benjamin netanyahu doesn't give much his what keir starmer, joe biden, rishi sunak, david cameron or anybody else says he will do what he wants to do . will do what he wants to do. >> i got a load of stick on twitter this morning, um, for yesterday, asking, not not getting bogged down in the details and the policy. i simply said on air yesterday that i wanted i was concerned about the number kids in palestine number of kids in palestine dying also in israel. i view dying and also in israel. i view a life lost in palestine as the same as a life lost in israel. but the tribal response was really, i mean , at times quite really, i mean, at times quite vicious. what's going on there? why can we not say quite genuinely and humanely, i'm worried about the number of people dying, especially kids in palestine, without being attacked like that. >> are the toxic nature of this debate has gone too far, and i agree with you that it is appalling that we are seeing orphan children in palestine just the same way that you're seeing orphan children in within israel and it shouldn't happen.

those are innocent citizens and you can have sympathy for innocent civilians of palestine, whilst also , um, accepting that whilst also, um, accepting that israel has a right to defend itself. but unfortunately , it's itself. but unfortunately, it's one of these arguments that has now become so polarised that one side believes themselves to be right and the other wrong, and vice versa. so i don't think it's helped by politicians wading in and taking sides and being present at marches. i don't think that is the point of politicians. i don't think they should do that. i think it's stoking up more division, which in this heated is needed in this heated debate is needed as well. >> i agree with claire. i mean, you know, it has very long been the case that to attack israel as a state or the israeli government, whether it's netanyahu or any of his predecessor, the automatic response from some sections is that you're anti—semitic, which is clearly ridiculous . it's, you is clearly ridiculous. it's, you know, i am anti—trump . it know, i am anti—trump. it doesn't make me anti—american . doesn't make me anti—american. um, you know, and i think there are people who will could equally, you know, criticise this country , uh, with good

this country, uh, with good reason or whatever. but i think claire is absolutely right. the toxicity of the debate and this goes right across many , many goes right across many, many topics. and it's not helped by politicians like suella braverman, for instance, weighing in with the sort of, um, inflammatory language that she's used, whether it's about civil servants or lawyers or immigrants , um, because it just immigrants, um, because it just can't tinues to fester. and it gives carte blanche to other people who might not be so thoughtful. yeah um, to actually then take things another stage further. >> okay. joan. claire. great stuff. thanks very much. i mean , stuff. thanks very much. i mean, my issue with sir keir starmer at the moment is that a couple of months back, he went to estonia and he was wearing that military jacket and meeting british and pretty much british troops and pretty much cosplaying prime cosplaying the role of prime minister. and again, minister. and it seems again, he's munich he's gone to this munich security and he's security conference and he's kind of, you know, acting as if he leader of great he is the leader of great britain already saying that i'm going as pm and going to do this as as pm and nato will be when actually, nato will be fine when actually, sir keir , you might close,

sir keir, you might be close, but you've won the election but you've not won the election yet. so hold horses, my yet. so hold your horses, my friend. now for all the best analysis opinion that analysis and opinion on that story. the website story. more goes to the website gb news. com and also catch us on our at gb news. on our socials at gb news. you're listening gb you're watching listening to gb news leo. news sunday with me, ben leo. lots coming up on today's lots more coming up on today's show, including, oh, and i love this and cowardice . as this gutless and cowardice. as many 100 tory are many as 100 tory mps are planning stand down before planning to stand down before the election this the general election later this yeah the general election later this year. should mps stand year. but should these mps stand and the music rather than and face the music rather than jumping ship? i know what i think on that and i'll tell you after break of that and after the break all of that and more come. watching, more to come. you're watching, listening britain's listening to gb news, britain's news stay with .

to gb news radio. >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, ben elliott on your tv online and digital radio. some emails flying in about sir keir starmer's comments. well, it wasn't directed at donald trump

specifically, but he was just referring to trump's comments saying that, you know, he wouldn't defend nato allies if they weren't paying up . so john they weren't paying up. so john says starmer was wrong to make that remark against trump. the day may well come when we beg trump for support. and actually that's very good point. do you that's a very good point. do you consider yourself more allied with the us or the eu? me personally, i love america. um, if anything kicks off and it all came to it, i think i'd prefer to be looked after by america than anyone else. maybe not. joe biden specifically, but certainly us state. uh, paul certainly the us state. uh, paul says luck trump . we says good luck to trump. we could with leaders like could do more with leaders like the donald and andy, says trump is only hope if we're to is our only hope if we're to escape from globalists. escape from the globalists. okay, andy. uh, right. let's see what's going side what's been going on this side of pond. um sir keir starmer of the pond. um sir keir starmer will be absolutely jumping for joy will be absolutely jumping for joy at this news this morning. it looks like things are going to bad to worse from rishi sunak. it's been reported in the sunday papers that as many as 100 are now planning to 100 tory mps are now planning to stand down before general stand down before the general election this year. i want

election later this year. i want to , even the tories to ask, even though the tories are a crushing defeat, are set for a crushing defeat, should these mps stand and face the music rather than jumping ship? let's see what my panel make of this. uh claire pearsall. and joe phillips. uh i'm going to give you my opinion. first of all, when you can react off the back of that. joe, i think these mps, they stabbed boris in the back. they knew what going to happen. knew what was going to happen. inevitably, they're just inevitably, unless they're just totally of any cognitive totally void of any cognitive ability. mean, could you ability. i mean, how could you not was going to not foresee what was going to happen and happen today by doing that? and now know what's going now when they know what's going to they're going lose to happen, they're going to lose their they're going to to happen, they're going to lose the defeated they're going to to happen, they're going to lose the defeated in they're going to to happen, they're going to lose thedefeated in the y're going to to happen, they're going to lose thedefeated in the mostoing to to happen, they're going to lose thedefeated in the most emphatic be defeated in the most emphatic fashion. want to jump ship fashion. they want to jump ship before get chance before they even get a chance for the public to vote for them. they're gutless and countless. do i wrong? do you agree or am i wrong? >> let's put boris to one >> um, let's put boris to one side for the moment. let's not go. hate him as well? yes. >> you hate him as well? yes. i get the feeling you hate him. >> absolutely loathe him. i think done so much. think he has done so much. >> let's. let's not get stuck down. let's not down there. down. let's not go down there. >> think it is awful that >> i think it is awful that people. i i can understand people. i mean, i can understand why. why, why they're why. why, um. why they're

jumping. i mean, let'sjust take jumping. i mean, let's just take one ben, if you think one step back. ben, if you think about mike freer, for instance, who down because who is standing down because of the of the death threats, because of the death threats, because of the we've seen on one of the fear we've seen on one of the fear we've seen on one of the front pages this morning about, um, you know, protesters planning to attack the homes of mps and leading politicians. so you know, i think one should, in the context of being serious . the context of being serious. yeah. life as an mp , a life as a yeah. life as an mp, a life as a local councillor or as a mayor can be pretty blooming tough. and it's not just you , it's on and it's not just you, it's on your family as well. and i think, you know, whatever you think, you know, whatever you think of politicians , most think of politicians, most people into for politics the people go into for politics the right reasons. they don't go in it to line their pockets, and they don't go in it for glory. now things may change, but the reality is that really reality is that it's really tough opposition. i think tough in opposition. and i think that's where the cowardice bit comes because when you look comes in, because when you look at people like harriet harman, i know she's standing down the next election, but, you know, yvette cooper for instance, david lammy been around for donkey's years. those people

have power. they've also have been in power. they've also been they've gone been in opposition. they've gone through hard years of through the long, hard years of 14 years of tory rule . and 14 years of tory rule. and actually, if you go into politics, it's about public service. it has to be a quid service. but it has to be a quid pro quo. well you'd hope it is. >> but i mean, i beg to differ with some. i'm not going to name names, but with some politicians, you know. claire, can i just read you a quote from i think it's the telegraph. this morning. this is from one mp who's going to down before who's going to stand down before the said, i'm not the election. they said, i'm not going think i'm going going because i think i'm going to i'm going because i'm to lose. i'm going because i'm worried um, they do worried i might win. um, they do not to find themselves in not want to find themselves in a rump tory party filled with, quote, the nutters who would be left after big win. quote, the nutters who would be leftlafter big win. quote, the nutters who would be lefti mean, big win. quote, the nutters who would be lefti mean, it's win. quote, the nutters who would be lefti mean, it's an win. quote, the nutters who would be lefti mean, it's an interesting >> i mean, it's an interesting take on it. i, i sort of agree with joe. there are many serious reasons to people are reasons as to why people are standing down. spoke to an mp standing down. i spoke to an mp last week who said it was up to his constituents, whether whether or not, whether he lost his job or not, and was going to stand and he and he was going to stand and he would accept the will of the people but the other side of people. but on the other side of it , there are other people who it, there are other people who have much abuse and, um,

have had so much abuse and, um, intimidation that they don't want to go through that anymore. so i think very different. so i think it's very different. i think it depends where you are in country. um, but do in the country. um, but i do think it's cowardly if you are put there by the people. i think that ought to be taken out that you ought to be taken out by the people and put your ego to side and that's a very, to one side and that's a very, very simplistic view on it, because the abuse that mps are getting the moment is like getting at the moment is like nothing i've ever seen. and i've been for 20 odd years. been there for 20 odd years. i have never known it as bad as it is. so things it's worse it's ever you think? ever been, do you think? >> absolutely is. >> oh, absolutely is. >> oh, absolutely is. >> there are personal >> i mean, there are personal threats against people on a daily basis, whether that by daily basis, whether that be by phone, in daily basis, whether that be by pho streets in daily basis, whether that be by pho streets , in daily basis, whether that be by pho streets , they in daily basis, whether that be by pho streets , they are in daily basis, whether that be by pho streets , they are gettingn it. >> and does that go back to your previous point from the other discussion about just tribalism and you know, and toxicity? you know, i actually about this this actually tweeted about this this morning. you my morning. let me read you my tweet. you know, tweet. i said, you know, the problem these days is that people so tribal. this is people are so tribal. this is the go and like it online. the tweet go and like it online. if want to pick it up, it if you want to pick it up, it says these days is says problem these days is people so tribal now, their people are so tribal now, their colours mast with

colours to the mast with complete disregard of nuance or critical on sides critical thinking on both sides of why we're of the argument. it's why we're in we're in now. in the mess we're in now. i mean, is that play a part in the well, yes. >> and, you know, you've just read out some examples. >> these emails >> you know, these emails bring out trump or the out bring on the trump or the donald whatever it is. out bring on the trump or the dorthere'srvhatever it is. out bring on the trump or the dorthere's no tever it is. out bring on the trump or the dorthere's no nuance, s. out bring on the trump or the dorthere's no nuance, there's no consideration. >> but people are allowed to support individual politicians are. >> and everybody entitled to >> and everybody is entitled to their opinion. but we also need to stop this toxicity it to stop this toxicity because it is we can't. on is so dangerous. we can't. on the hand, know, do the the one hand, you know, do the bleeding oh, isn't bleeding hearts oh, and isn't that dreadful? sad that dreadful? how terribly sad that dreadful? how terribly sad that our children are doing terrible online. yeah, terrible things online. yeah, and the same time, fuel this and at the same time, fuel this sort hatred , sort of language and hatred, which is why, you know, i mentioned suella braverman, but, you know, there are plenty of other people who are equally bad because they it'll get because they know it'll get a quick headline , it'll get like quick headline, it'll get a like on twitter whatever it's on twitter or whatever it's called these days. they'll get you know, held as heroes or you know, held up as heroes or heroines by, by a certain type of person. but the people that they're to talking may not be, um, as perhaps cautious.

>> claire, what do we make of the calls . for mps to get more the calls. for mps to get more security? is sunak is said to be looking at it. isn't he at least being urged to? >> yeah, and i think it's right. i mean, as we saw with mike frear's constituency office, i think that that shouldn't be allowed to happen. there are protests happening outside protests now happening outside mps a mps houses, and you've got a group, group that is group, an eco group that is threatening protest at mps threatening to protest at mps houses the election houses during the election campaign. can't be campaign. now, that can't be right. shouldn't be to right. you shouldn't be able to go somebody's go to somebody's personal property because you disagree with they say . so i think with what they say. so i think that security has to be that security always has to be looked at. it doesn't mean they're going armed they're going to get an armed guard 24 over seven. but i think that some things that that there are some things that you to ensure safety you can do to ensure the safety of and their staff, some of of mps. and their staff, some of whom work on their own in constituencies and they shouldn't be risk. yeah. shouldn't be put at risk. yeah. >> so staff, but it's also >> so it's staff, but it's also families. i mean, know, families. i mean, you know, i know of an mp of long standing who said her daughter was terrified that mummy wasn't going to come home. yeah. so when they see what happens to

other people, you know, there are children there. >> and i suppose it gives weight to for an to the argument that 85 k for an mp salary, perhaps, you know, on the surface sounds extortionate, but dealing with but when they're dealing with that on that kind of nonsense on a regular basis, maybe it's not enough. um. claire pearsall. enough. um. uh claire pearsall. joe very much. joe phillips, thanks very much. appreciate let's change appreciate it. now let's change gears move on. it's gears before we move on. it's time great british time for the great british giveaway, this is your giveaway, and this is your chance win £18,000 in cash. chance to win £18,000 in cash. here's details need chance to win £18,000 in cash. hera s details need chance to win £18,000 in cash. hera chance details need chance to win £18,000 in cash. hera chance to ietails need chance to win £18,000 in cash. hera chance to make need chance to win £18,000 in cash. hera chance to make yours. for a chance to make that yours. >> there's still time to become the winner of our british the winner of our great british giveaway. there's an incredible £18,000 in cash to be won. totally tax free cash that you could whatever you like with. could do whatever you like with. that's like having extra that's like having an extra £1,500 in your bank account each month for a whole year. it could go towards your mortgage or rent, buy monthly treats, or just send some those day to just send some of those day to day financial stresses . packing day financial stresses. packing for another chance to win £18,000 in tax free cash. text gb win to 84 902 or text cost £2 plus one standard network rate message or post your name and

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calling instead for a permanent ceasefire . he also said that ceasefire. he also said that even the most terrible of circumstances , a two state circumstances, a two state solution, must be back on the table . the white house has table. the white house has blamed inaction by republican in the us congress for russia's capture of a ukrainian city. kyiv ordered the withdrawal of troops from the eastern city of avdiivka early yesterday , giving avdiivka early yesterday, giving moscow its first major gain since the fall of bakhmut last yeah since the fall of bakhmut last year. us president joe biden warned last week that a shortage of ammunition in ukraine could see the city fall into russian hands. russian president vladimir putin praised the city's capture , calling it an city's capture, calling it an important victory . a violent important victory. a violent riot erupted on the streets of the hague last night after anti—government groups clashed with rival communities . what with rival communities. what started as a peaceful eritrean community meeting ended in violence, with police cars torched and objects thrown at officers . the hague's mayor says officers. the hague's mayor says an emergency order was issued and police presence has been increased . the king was seen

increased. the king was seen smiling and waving as he attended church in sandringham this morning, braving the wet weather, his majesty and the queen clutched umbrellas in their first public outing since prince harry's interview on us television . the duke of sussex television. the duke of sussex is said to be willing to undertake some royal duties while his father undergoes treatment for cancer, though there's reportedly been no changes current arrangements . changes to current arrangements. for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts . gb news. com slash alerts. >> thanks, sofia. remember you guys at home can get in touch about all of the topics we've been discussing today by emailing me gbviews@gbnews.com or message me on our socials. we're at gb news. lots more coming up on today's show, including no way back. that's the message being reported today. as palace insiders insist prince will not be allowed prince harry will not be allowed a role while king a temporary role while the king undergoes treatment . but undergoes cancer treatment. but

could see him back the could we see him back in the royal fold? i don't think so. the has been quite the palace has been quite insistent across insistent this morning across all pages of the all the front pages of the newspapers , that definitely newspapers, that that definitely isn't happening . all of and isn't happening. all of that and more to i'm ben leo, more to come. i'm ben leo, you're watching, listening to gb news, news channel

great park. the two, the couple, the new couple being welcomed to this country and welcomed by the royal family . royal family. >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, ben liu on your tv online and on digital radio. lots of you have been sending your thoughts in by email, one particularly well, not just one. there's a few, actually, for joe phillips who's on our panel phillips, who's on our panel today. joe made the point in today. joe you made the point in the previous segment about everything toxic and everything being so toxic and tribal moment, yet you tribal at the moment, yet you just sat and said, you just sat there and said, you loathe boris johnson and you hated donald trump, and you had some words about suella braverman aren't you braverman as well. aren't you a hypocrite ? hypocrite? >> i don't think i'm >> uh, not. i don't think i'm a hypocrite. i mean, it's a fair point to make. um, the point i

was about the toxicity was making about the toxicity was making about the toxicity was about people leaving parliament and about the level of debate and discourse . i think of debate and discourse. i think bofis of debate and discourse. i think boris johnson is partly responsible for that, actually, as it happens, because i think he politics public he brought politics and public office disrepute , you know, office into disrepute, you know, way over. but you loathe him. i personally loathe him because i think he's damaged democracy. so isn't that the same, though? >> same? >> the same? >> the same? >> not the same as saying >> that's not the same as saying go attack him. go. and go out and attack him. go. and you know, kill him or he deserves be hung up. deserves to be hung up. >> but my argument be that >> but my argument would be that some your side of the, some on your side of the, the, the things would the left side of things would say, that's exactly the say, well, that's exactly the kind of language rhetoric kind of language and rhetoric that encourages promotes that encourages and promotes those attacks. those kind of attacks. >> think that is, um, >> i don't think that is, um, that i don't my language that i don't think my language is particularly extreme. i think . and also, i'm sitting here, you can see my face. we don't know who those got it. think they are from, from. >> i just thought i'd put that to you because we've had a few emails and it's absolutely. >> and it's a completely fair point, but there is something about anonymous yeah. about anonymous city. yeah. you know, claire

know, once upon a time claire will know from working in will know this from working in the for time. the commons for a long time. you'd get people turning up. they'd sit in the central lobby with this sick, it with a fold of this sick, and it was on lined paper, written in thick ink and a lot of thick green ink and a lot of capital letters that now has gone to twitter. gone on to twitter. >> okay move >> understood. okay let's move on. my favourite stories on. one of my favourite stories of actually, the past on. one of my favourite stories of of actually, the past on. one of my favourite stories of of days,ally, the past on. one of my favourite stories of of days, because past on. one of my favourite stories of of days, because it's: on. one of my favourite stories of of days, because it's no couple of days, because it's no way back. that's the message being as palace being reported as palace insiders prince harry insiders and says prince harry will allowed temporary will not be allowed a temporary role while king undergoes role while the king undergoes cancer treatment. now, despite harry's last week harry's brief return last week to prince william, his to the uk, prince william, his brother he's alleged to have told friends angered by told friends he's so angered by his attacks on the his brother's attacks on the monarchy. the list is endless , monarchy. the list is endless, isn't it? there's no chance he'll allowed back into the he'll be allowed back into the royal now is royal fold, joining me now is royal fold, joining me now is royal commentator richard fitzwilly good afternoon fitzwilly. good afternoon richard. is sensational, richard. this is sensational, isn't it? friday we had all the murmurings from the sussex camp that he's going to. prince harry is worm his way back in is going to worm his way back in and some temporary and maybe do some temporary royal today. pretty much and maybe do some temporary royal front today. pretty much and maybe do some temporary royal front page y. pretty much and maybe do some temporary royal front page is pretty much and maybe do some temporary royal front page is no tty much and maybe do some temporary royal front page is no way1uch and maybe do some temporary royal front page is no way back every front page is no way back for harry. the palace haven't been in briefing journalists been shy in briefing journalists this they ? this morning, have they? >> well, but it was always

>> well, no, but it was always completely impractical that anything like this would happen. >> i mean, all of this has come upon us, of course, very, very quickly and initially we, uh, naturally, the transat dash and harry came over after he heard of his father's cancer diagnosis . i mean, clearly that appeared , . i mean, clearly that appeared, at least on the surface, to be that of a concerned son. and then the optics of this did look rather strange. it was only about half an hour or three quarters of an hour, an instant thereafter, the king and queen departed for sandringham. he spent the night in a hotel and then went back to present an award in vegas and then we award in las vegas and then we had relaunch. it wasn't had the relaunch. it wasn't telling anything new, though. telling us anything new, though. it didn't include netflix, which it didn't include netflix, which i thought was extraordinary , of i thought was extraordinary, of the sussexes, a very controversial really, uh, using a royal, um, title and the arms. and so forth, all of which raised a lot of eyebrows and then subsequently , of course, then subsequently, of course, meghan getting a pretty lowly,

quite frankly , podcast job. it's quite frankly, podcast job. it's not spotify y, which was a $20 million contract. and subsequent to that, we had harry on good morning america not saying anything that would offend anyone, but nonetheless, again , anyone, but nonetheless, again, when the sussexes with this link that they keep having to the media and now we have this idea that apparently being floated by harry to friends as sources , the harry to friends as sources, the thought that he would return varne he hasn't any patronages . varne he hasn't any patronages. this would make the royal family something of a circus , which something of a circus, which would revolve largely around the sussexes. every time they appeared. i mean, it's quite bizarre really. >> richard, do you think the palace knew that harry was going to do that interview with breakfast tv and talk about his dad's health? >> i don't think that the sussexes have ever tipped the palace off in a long while . on palace off in a long while. on issues that , uh, you know, that issues that, uh, you know, that involve them and the media. i

think they've always taken the view. whatever their view, on their own privacy . that the their own privacy. that the privacy of others is there to be invaded, quite frankly. you remember oprah, you remember harry and meghan on netflix. you remember, uh, harry's memoir, spare . and they're three spare. and they're the three worst examples . the point is, worst examples. the point is, after you behave like that , you after you behave like that, you simply will, so to simply can't at will, so to speak, offer your services at a time. admittedly, the royal family is very stretched, but nonetheless , us, uh, illness has nonetheless, us, uh, illness has struck . obviously, as we know, struck. obviously, as we know, the king and also the princess of wales. but then this the idea that the sussexes could suddenly reappear . i that the sussexes could suddenly reappear. i mean, it's outrageous, uh, how do you think prince harry is going to be feeling this morning seeing these headlines? >> i, i don't think he would have expected any other headline because know, his life's because as you know, his life's work is supposedly to clean up what he sees as, uh , bad about what he sees as, uh, bad about the british media. >> but as far as the palace is

concerned, i mean , their concerned, i mean, their position is absolutely clear. the sandringham agreement, um, which the queen, the late queen broken. you can't have half in half out royals commercial part of the time. uh, doing the odd patronage as the rest of the time. and if all the odd engagement and if you did , who engagement and if you did, who would get the publicity? they know perfectly well if they actually seriously thought, uh, that this was a possibility. i mean , you do wonder who advises mean, you do wonder who advises them . i wondered quite often, them. i wondered quite often, considering some of the contents of harry's memoirs. considering some of the contents of harry's memoirs . some of the of harry's memoirs. some of the things included there, they're completely unpredictable and loose cannons are dangerous as well. we know . well. we know. >> well, i think they advise themselves probably richard, because they've lost dozens of staff over the past couple of years, some who could only manage months of manage a couple of months of them. look, for the sake of them. but look, for the sake of impartiality, they're not to here themselves. i guess. here defend themselves. i guess. harry, son would do, flew harry, as any son would do, flew to be beside his father's, uh, well, be with father

well, to be with his father rather, uh, at a time when he just quite potentially just received quite potentially a devastating a concerning and devastating cancer diagnosis. i guess cancer diagnosis. so i guess you've him credit you've got to give him credit for just wonder now for that. but i just wonder now whether will this snub whether harry will use this snub from the palace and the king. and that's what it is. it's a snub seemingly engineered by prince william to say, look, i made an attempt heal the made an attempt to heal the rifts the past couple of rifts of the past couple of years. i out publicly . i years. i came out publicly. i said, is our opportunity to said, this is our opportunity to come i was slapped down. that is, in fact , what you >> that is, in fact, what you wonder. he might well believe that, but so far as saying it, i do think that the sussexes must surely realise now is not the time. whatever they personally think, to criticise the royal family publicly, that would be absolutely appalling . absolutely appalling. >> okay. uh, richard fitzwilliams , royal commentator, fitzwilliams, royal commentator, thanks very much . it's like the thanks very much. it's like the never ending sussex psychodrama, isn't it ? it goes on and on. isn't it? it goes on and on. there's something new every day. and i know lots of you don't like hearing about harry and meghan, but they just keep delivering the goods. um, it's

good my opinion. lots delivering the goods. um, it's good coming1y opinion. lots delivering the goods. um, it's good coming up)pinion. lots delivering the goods. um, it's good coming up oi'iiioi'i. lots delivering the goods. um, it's good coming up on today'ss delivering the goods. um, it's good coming up on today's show, more coming up on today's show, including cornwall, has become a hot filming locations, hot spot for filming locations, but more but locals say they want more productions reflect true productions to reflect true cornish reporter cornish culture. our reporter has there to see if has been there to see if hollywood the to hollywood holds the key to saving that cornish culture. i mean, what that? like mean, what is that? i'd like to know. cornish ice know. cornish pasties, ice cream. a bit more, cream. i'm sure it's a bit more, uh, cultured than that. all of that and more to come. i'm ben leo, and you're watching, listening

radio. >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me. ben leo, on your tv, online and on digital radio. doc martin poldark and jamaica inn, they're all just some of the tv shows that are filmed and set in beautiful cornwall, so it's easy to see why it's a popular destination with rolling coastlines and old fashioned cottages. don't forget the pasties and the ice cream as well, some people are well, but some people are calling for tv programmes to reflect actual cornish reflect the actual cornish lifestyle language. lifestyle and language. our south reporter , um jeff south west reporter, um jeff moody, this report .

moody, has this report. >> the tale of ross poldark, who returned to england in the 1700s after fighting in the american revolution, has captured the imagination of millions not just for its narrative but for the swashbuckling image of cornwall it presents. but cornish mp steve double thinks this is only half the story . half the story. >> although we love to see cornwall on the tv all too often it feels like it's an advert for second home owners that it's a sort of picture postcard ideal, idealistic view of what life in cornwall is like when actually we have such a rich heritage. we have a real rich and diverse culture within cornwall. our history is full of great moments and really significant things where we have contributed to the uk and in fact the world. and i think we would just like to see more of that, more accurate, accurately be represented on the tv . tv. >> in 2014, the cornish were granted national minority status

under the council of europe's framework convention for the protection of national minorities . they now have the minorities. they now have the same status as the uk's other celtic people the scots, the welsh and the irish. >> since then, we've been kind of grappling with exactly what that means, and i think through this media bill, there was an opportunity to kind of just nudge the bbc to say, look, you really need to give regard to the identity of the cornish that has been recognised by the government in your public service broadcast obligation. so it really was just sort of, if you like, laying down a bit of a challenge to the bbc to say , challenge to the bbc to say, look, how are you representing the cornish within your public service remit? it's part of the media bill currently wending its way through the lords, the bill is updated regularly to keep in line with developments in broadcast thing. >> councillor michael bunney is from mebyon kernow , a political from mebyon kernow, a political party created to help win greater self—government for the duchy. he thinks programming

should reflect the cornish language to people . language to people. >> people love cornish place names , cornish house names, you names, cornish house names, you know, they're all around us. so i think recognition of the language and i hope a real positive , inclusive celebration positive, inclusive celebration of it as part of our culture and part of our history and heritage . i actually think that's increasing , . i actually think that's increasing, um, you . i actually think that's increasing , um, you know, which increasing, um, you know, which is great. it's brilliant . is great. it's brilliant. >> where is agunsoye ariel's plan misc honeycomb crunch, praline caramel and wave . praline caramel and wave. >> in 2016, the uk's first advert in cornish hit our screens, but with only around 1000 fluent speakers , it's 1000 fluent speakers, it's unlikely we'll be seeing cornish language programming any time soon. the hope is though, we'll be watching more shows portraying real life in cornwall without a pasty or a cream tea in sight. jeff moody . gb news. in sight. jeff moody. gb news. >> well, jeff moody's had a great gig. there isn't he going down to cornwall? uh stuff

himself with pasties and ice cream, i suspect. well, let's see what my panel maker, this joe and claire joe phillips and claire pearsall. claire. it always joe phillips and claire pearsaimelaire. it always joe phillips and claire pearsaime laugh. always joe phillips and claire pearsaime laugh. and ays joe phillips and claire pearsaime laugh. and especially makes me laugh. and especially when, in different when, you know, in different languages, welsh, especially, when, you know, in different langhear�*s, welsh, especially, when, you know, in different langhear�*s, aielsh, especially, when, you know, in different langhear�*s, a lot. , especially, when, you know, in different langhear�*s, a lot. they'll ally, when, you know, in different langhear�*s, a lot. they'll reel you hear it a lot. they'll reel off in welsh all a sudden off in welsh and all of a sudden in between, you'll get vanilla ice cream. yes. you know, there's word certain . um, there's no word for certain. um, yeah. absolutely . yeah. uh, absolutely. >> and i think it's one thing to make sure that traditions are followed the sort of followed and the sort of beautiful nature of the land in cornwall , then. yeah. you want cornwall, then. yeah. you want to see that represented , but you to see that represented, but you kind of think also what is so different between that, is that going anger their going to then anger their neighbours devon? because neighbours in devon? because there's bit of rivalry there's already a bit of rivalry between two counties anyway, between the two counties anyway, and other counties and what about other counties and what about other counties and fich and what about other counties and rich heritage? you and their rich heritage? you know, all an independent know, i'm all for an independent state of kent. i think that would be, know, the would be, you know, the forefront. well liverpool's a big one. >> devolution, scousers joe >> devolution, the scousers joe they don't really see they they don't really see themselves as english they. themselves as english do they. they like they love this they like they they love this idea they're their own idea that they're their own separate state. >> mean, i think, you know >> but i mean, i think, you know , nice. important , it's nice. it's important people, you know, if you have

pride and affection for the place or the place place that you live or the place that you come from, wherever your i think, you your roots are, but i think, you know, a there's know, there's a there's a slightly more serious issue here. you know, cornish language. that's language. yes. i think that's great. and we're already great. but and we're already used many, many government used to many, many government documents and documents being in english and welsh, or welsh, whether they're dvla or various other organisations. we've already got the alba channel tv channel in scotland in gaelic . channel tv channel in scotland in gaelic. um, but this idea of, um, you know, a less glamorised version on screen, i think it's quite interesting because if you look at something like peaky blinders and what it did for birmingham. yeah and internationally. absolutely um, internationally. absolutely um, in fact, i was in istanbul a couple of weeks ago and a bloke said , are you from england? said, are you from england? i said, are you from england? i said, yeah, and he said, yeah. he said, oh, a lovely jubbly, you know, peaky blinders. yeah you know, and i sort of think actually it is true. there's other going on and there's other stuff going on and there's been of stuff. um on been a lot of stuff. um on television from wales, which is, you know, police or you know, their police or hospital other types of hospital or other types of dramas which show a different side instead of this sort of picture postcard. >> the cornish

>> the cornish, the cornish language be traced back language can be traced back 4000 years considered dead as years and was considered dead as long ago as 1777, but it was officially recognised by the uk government in 2002 as a minority language. um, do we need to be teaching cornish in schools like they do welsh? i mean , how many they do welsh? i mean, how many people speak cornish ? i people actually speak cornish? i you i think it's in the you know, i think it's in the low 2000 i saw earlier. >> it's not very many now. >> yeah, it's not very many now. i don't see that there's any problem in teaching school kids some their county, some words about their county, some words about their county, some language think some of the language do i think that huge investment that we need huge investment into it? um, i probably into it? um, no. i probably don't because it isn't going to be used widely outside of cornwall and the sort of 1000 or so people that do speak it, but there's nothing thing wrong with with teaching kids. is with teaching kids. this is where the roots are. this is what your heritage is. and these are the words, you know, for things for, you know, cows and, and and road haaland and ice cream and road haaland or whatever it might be then. yeah, absolutely. dialects and language is so funny, isn't it? >> you get people who are who are quite up north, uh, compared to live, i live in near

to where i live, i live in near brighton. i'm not a cockney by any means, but you speak to someone, i'll meet them on houday someone, i'll meet them on holiday they'll say, oh, holiday and they'll say, oh, you're a cockney, are you? say, no, cockney. how did no, i'm not a cockney. how did you michelle you get on with michelle dewberry of your whole accent? i love accent. the love her accent. i love the irish accent as well. >> irish? irish accent as well. >> yeah, yeah, it's stuff. >> yeah, yeah, it's great stuff. um, right. leave it there. um, right. we'll leave it there. enough unless you've enough cornish. unless you've got any or cream to got any pasties or ice cream to hidden the desk for me. i hidden under the desk for me. i wish. moving on. you're watching listening news sunday listening to gb news sunday with me. more coming me. ben. leo. lots more coming up me. ben. leo. lots more coming up today's show. uh, include up on today's show. uh, include including, uh, keir starmer. including, uh, sir keir starmer. he's opinion, he's been, in my opinion, cosplaying again. he's been cosplaying pm again. he's been at nato conference, sorry, at the nato conference, sorry, the conference the security conference in munich he would the security conference in municidonald he would the security conference in municidonald trump's, would the security conference in municidonald trump's,woul claim rebuff donald trump's, um, claim that he wouldn't protect nato if russia attacked, if they didn't pay russia attacked, if they didn't pay first, let's take a pay up. but first, let's take a look at the weather with marco . look at the weather with marco. a brighter outlook with box sponsors of weather on . gb news.

sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello, i'm marco petagna . >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we hold on to unsettled weather across the next few across the uk over the next few days, all seeing some rain at times but staying mild for the times but staying mild for the time being. at least this weather pushed outbreaks weather fronts pushed outbreaks of the south—east of rain away from the south—east of rain away from the south—east of during course of england during the course of the afternoon. we've got the afternoon. so we've got a ridge pressure building ridge of high pressure building in west, quieting in from the west, quieting things for overnight things down for the overnight period. rains period. but further rains gathering out towards west, period. but further rains gatrthat] out towards west, period. but further rains gatrthat will towards west, period. but further rains gatrthat will move �*ds west, period. but further rains gatrthat will move in west, period. but further rains gatrthat will move in wethe and that will move in across the far north—west the uk as we far north—west of the uk as we head into the overnight period. elsewhere though, will elsewhere though, showers will tend the tend to ease through the evening. lots of clear evening. we'll see lots of clear weather sending quite misty though fog patches though with some fog patches across wales and the across parts of wales and the south—west england the south—west of england during the early hours. following on from that rain band, we'll see showers quite blustery showers turning quite blustery there the far north—west there towards the far north—west by the morning. mild by the morning. quite a mild night. or by the morning. quite a mild nidegrees or by the morning. quite a mild nidegrees across or by the morning. quite a mild nidegrees across rural or by the morning. quite a mild nidegrees across rural parts or by the morning. quite a mild nidegrees across rural parts of or 5 degrees across rural parts of scotland, but elsewhere holding up high single as up in the high single figures as for outbreaks of for monday, well, outbreaks of rain journey rain continue their journey south across england south eastwards across england and the and wales, weakening all the while giving some rain while so giving some patchy rain across south—east into across the far south—east into the afternoon. elsewhere it's a day sunshine a few

day of sunshine with a few showers showers showers around those showers quite blustery towards the north and west scotland, but once and west of scotland, but once again a day the again it's a mild day for the time temperatures time of year. temperatures mostly figures, or mostly in double figures, 9 or 10 best. in the 10 degrees at best. in the north, up to 13 or 14 celsius down south—east as down towards the south—east as for we'll further wet for tuesday, we'll further wet and windy weather will move in across northwest of the uk across the northwest of the uk towards south east, towards the south and east, though quieter picture, though it's a quieter picture, a bit breezy but plenty of sunshine staying sunshine around and staying quite the of year. quite mild for the time of year. outbreaks of rain move their way south eastwards tuesday south eastwards later on tuesday and stays quite and it then stays quite unsettled on wednesday and thursday, colder thursday, but turning colder towards later towards the north later looks like are heating up boxt like things are heating up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news . gb news. >> thanks very much marco. lots more coming up on today's show, including rishi sunak's called on british conservatives to, quote, come together after two heavy election losses to labour. so i'm asking if he's to on something. should the right to

good afternoon to you. welcome to gb news sunday. thanks for joining us this lunchtime. i'm ben leo for and the next hour i'll be keeping you company on tv, onune keeping you company on tv, online and digital radio coming up this hour. rishi sunak has called on british conservatives, conservative rather to, quote, come together after two heavy by—election to labour. so by—election losses to labour. so he's asking the tories and reform to stop reform to join forces to stop starmer getting the keys to number 10. i'm asking if he's on to something. should right to something. should the right unite to fight labour, then human rights campaigners have claimed officers from russia's intelligence service visited the prison where alexei navalny was held two days before his death . held two days before his death. is this more evidence that putin gave the order to silence his political adversary and it's been reported that the former presenter, philip schofield, paid his ex—lover a six figure sum in a non—disclosure agreement, preventing them from both discussing their discussing. rather, their relationship . yeah a really

relationship. yeah a really interesting story about schofield from the mail of sunday today. we'll cover that a bit later on, but of course, this show's nothing without you and your views. let know and your views. let me know your thoughts today's thoughts on all of today's stories. email me gbviews@gbnews.com me gbviews@gbnews.com or message me on we're on at gb on our socials. we're on at gb news. but first, here's your news with sam . news with sam. >> ben, thank you very much. good afternoon from the gb newsroom has just gone 2:00 and we start this hour with the news that we've heard in the last 60 minutes or so that sir keir starmer has now called for a permanent ceasefire in gaza. that during a speech at the that was during a speech at the scottish labour conference taking place glasgow. a taking place in glasgow. it's a change to his previous stance for pause in the fighting, for a pause in the fighting, saying now instead that the war must stop an end to the fighting, not just now, not for just a pause, but permanently a ceasefire that lasts.

>> conference . that is what must >> conference. that is what must happen now . the fighting must happen now. the fighting must stop now . stop now. >> in the us, the white house has blamed inaction on by republicans in congress for russia's capture of another ukrainian city. >> kyiv ordered the withdrawal of troops from the eastern city of troops from the eastern city of avdiivka earlier yesterday, giving moscow its first major gain since the fall of bakhmut last year. joe biden has been warning that a shortage of ammunition in ukraine could see that fall into russian that city fall into russian hands and he's been pushing congress to agree to more military ukraine. the military aid for ukraine. the russian president, though, has praised the city's capture, calling important victory. calling it an important victory. former senior military intelligence officer philip ingram told gb news earlier that ukraine still needs more support. >> loss of avdiivka is significant, but, um, the ukrainians have been holding on to that since 2014. um, and fighting the russians. but they've made the sensible

military decision not to sacrifice any more of their troops to keep this completely decimated piece of territory. um, the russians are making some advances from a one dimensional perspective on the frontline, but but these advances are are tiny at the moment, and it's purely because russia has got more ammunition from north korea and from iran. um, and the ukrainians are suffering a shortage of ammunition coming from the west . from the west. >> more than 400 people have been detained across 32 russian cities now since the death of alexei navalny on . friday alexei navalny on. friday russian state media has made no mention of the arrests or the many memorial services for mr navalny taking place across the country. meanwhile, in london, tributes are continuing to pour in the russian embassy as people gather outside . you can see gather outside. you can see there if you're watching on tv of flowers being laid, messages being left and many people watching on as they pay tributes for alexei navalny . meanwhile for alexei navalny. meanwhile authorities have been accused of doing everything they can to

avoid handing over mr navalny's body to his family. yesterday, the 69 year old mother of vladimir putin's most vocal critic visited the remote penal colony colony in the arctic, where he died. she says that she was told his body had been taken to a nearby morgue. but when she arrived there, she found it closed. mr navalny's team have also claimed his death was orchestrated by the russian president. that's been rejected, though, by the kremlin political analyst and russian exile valery morozov told gb news it looks like revenge , but it was like revenge, but it was a payback for navalny and the people who were behind. >> they've just decided that, you know, putin has enough support. about 70 or 80, uh , support. about 70 or 80, uh, there is no problem. and just to get rid of navalny , they've sent get rid of navalny, they've sent him from the prison, which was about 200km from moscow to the far north. and let him stay there and die . so in other news,

there and die. so in other news, two ministers have written to police chiefs to express their concerns over the safety of politicians amid increased protests in recent weeks, security minister tom tugendhat and policing minister chris philp took the unusual step after pro—palestinian activists gathered outside the home of tobias ellwood , conservative mp. tobias ellwood, conservative mp. >> they say the current laws allow for protesters to be directed away from residential areas, and they're encouraging police to make use of robust, make robust use of them rather. and that comes as reports in the daily mail suggest that just stop oil activists are planning to occupy the homes of various mps, with one protester reportedly telling a journalist the group is ready to look a bit loony . and finally, the king was loony. and finally, the king was seen smiling and waving as he attended church in sandringham this morning. attended church in sandringham this morning . braving the wet this morning. braving the wet weather in norfolk, his majesty and the queen clutched umbrella cars in their first public outing since prince harry's interview on us television . the interview on us television. the duke sussex is said to be

duke of sussex is said to be willing undertake some royal willing to undertake some royal dufies willing to undertake some royal duties while his father undergoes for cancer , undergoes treatment for cancer, though been though there's reportedly been no changes to the current arrangements . and for the latest arrangements. and for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or, of course, go to our website gbnews.com forward slash alerts . gbnews.com forward slash alerts. >> thanks, sam. great stuff. let's get stuck into our next topics. rishi sunak he's called on british conservatives to quote, come together after two heavy by—election losses to labouh heavy by—election losses to labour. he wrote in the daily telegraph . sunday sorry on telegraph on. sunday sorry on friday that the rights of the british conservatives should unite to defeat starmer . sunak unite to defeat starmer. sunak says the circumstances facing the are challenging and the tories are challenging and that always makes me laugh. i mean, what an understatement. they're challenging. but he insists labour doesn't have a plan midtum elections are plan midtum by elections are always for incumbent always difficult for incumbent governments the governments and the circumstances of these by elections were, of course, particularly challenging.

>> , i think if you look at >> now, i think if you look at the results, very low turnout and it shows that we've got work to to show people that we are to do to show people that we are delivering on their priorities. and that's absolutely and that's what i'm absolutely determined shows determined to do, but also shows that isn't a huge amount that there isn't a huge amount of enthusiasm for the alternative in starmer and alternative in keir starmer and the party. and that's the labour party. and that's because plan. because they don't have a plan. and have a plan, and if you don't have a plan, you can't deliver real change. and when the general election comes, message i'll comes, that's the message i'll be the country. be making to the country. stick with because it is with our plan because it is starting deliver the change starting to deliver the change that country wants and that the country wants and needs. >> okay. me now is >> okay. joining me now is political commentator benedict spence. tice spence. benedict richard tice also wrote in the telegraph on friday, saying that absolutely no chance of reform standing down like they did in 2019 as the brexit party, and they pretty much handed the keys to number 10. sunak barking up the wrong tree, isn't he ? wrong tree, isn't he? >> he although it's, uh, it >> he is. although it's, uh, it is rather complicated and it's sort of rather amusing when, when, when hear reform when, when we hear reform figures talking about this because i it's . we'll

because i think it's. we'll start off actually, we'll start off with the conservatives and thatis off with the conservatives and that is that i think rishi sunak is right when he says that labour doesn't have a plan. but the problem there is that labour doesn't have a plan. it doesn't need to have a plan. it is secret anybody that is no secret to anybody that actually labour keeps on u—turning things and isn't u—turning on things and isn't quite stands. and quite sure where it stands. and yet polling significantly yet it is polling significantly better the conservatives. better than the conservatives. and must terrifying for and that must be terrifying for rishi it shows rishi sunak, because it shows that he does have that even though he does have a plan, he has plans that plan, he has several plans that he's at wall he's thrown at the wall in a desperate bid for them to stick people don't trust the conservatives plan. conservatives with a plan. they'd trust labour with they'd rather trust labour with no conservatives no plan than the conservatives with the track with one, because the track record of the conservatives in the last years not to the last few years is not to deliver many things that deliver very many things that the average conservative voter deems we saw deems very important. and we saw this the by—election this with the by—election turnout. people turnout. a lot of people did not simply to reform. they simply switch to reform. they just didn't turn out just straight up didn't turn out to vote for the conservatives. and the tories and that's even as the tories are out with suggestions are coming out with suggestions that they'll a here and, that they'll cut a tax here and, you they'll fight woke you know, they'll fight woke stuff the army there. that's stuff in the army there. that's the actually. and the problem, actually. and they're to they're really struggling to enthuse when it enthuse people. but when it comes idea of reform

comes to the idea of reform potentially playing kingmakers, comes to the idea of reform pthoughty playing kingmakers, comes to the idea of reform pthought they've g kingmakers, comes to the idea of reform pthought they've beengmakers, comes to the idea of reform pthought they've been polling, i thought they've been polling at some at around 10% for quite some time a national level, time now at a national level, and they got ten and 13% in these last two by elections. they got in the particular they got 13% in the particular by—election where the tory incumbent, former tory incumbent, where the former tory rather unliked and incumbent, where the former tory rathperson unliked and incumbent, where the former tory rathperson that unliked and incumbent, where the former tory rath person that they liked and incumbent, where the former tory rath person that they choseand the person that they chose to replace was partner , replace him was his partner, they need to be doing better. actually to be actually if they're going to be taking off the tories, taking votes off the tories, i think they're doing a respectable business. they're doing they're doing respectably, but they're not fantastically well. not doing fantastically well. the concern tories the major concern for the tories is right now votes going to is not right now votes going to reform. it's simply conservatives going, yeah, i hear what but hear what you say, but a straight up don't trust you. >> well, it appears like they're not going to labour either in wellingborough more wellingborough they had 107 more votes than in 2019. votes than they did in 2019. varne but benedict, let me ask you about this. uh developing story from keir story this morning from keir starmer for a ceasefire. starmer calling for a ceasefire. finally, in israel. that finally, in israel. what's that going for his election prospects? >> nothing . he'll do absolutely >> nothing. he'll do absolutely nothing . um, you know, this is nothing. um, you know, this is this is a complete charade because nobody actually believes that. he feels sort of whole heartedly in favour of the

palestinian cause. the left of his party dislikes him and would dislike him. whatever happened, all that's happening now is that he's calling for a ceasefire that know he doesn't that they know he doesn't believe months. uh, sorry. believe in 14 months. uh, sorry. uh, months after they uh, four months after they initially demanding that initially started demanding that he not going to he do so, uh, it's not going to massively change his appeal because a of, uh, because also a lot of, uh, muslim voters who that they muslim voters who say that they won't for him anymore, won't vote for him anymore, won't vote for him anymore, won't forget they're won't forget this. they're not idiots, they're not idiots, you know, they're not going that for very going to forget that for a very long he move on long time. he didn't move on this. but in most of those constituencies he's going constituencies, he's going to win majority votes win the majority of votes anyway. i don't really think anyway. so i don't really think that changes much. i that this changes very much. i think him to be think it allows him to be a little bit more, uh, dextrous, if you like , especially with the if you like, especially with the upcoming by—election upcoming rochdale by—election so, as to avoid perhaps an so, so as to avoid perhaps an embarrassed close, uh, margin . embarrassed close, uh, margin. but ultimately, i don't think it changes much for his electoral prospects because simply , a lot prospects because simply, a lot of these voters who feel very strongly about israel—palestine, they be very happy they might not be very happy with keir starmer, they with keir starmer, but they ain't going to go to the tories and they going to go to and they ain't going to go to reform. who that really

reform. so who does that really leave with? and the greens leave them with? and the greens and the lib aren't doing and the lib dems aren't doing well those seats well enough in those seats for it make massive difference. it to make a massive difference. so it's one of those so i think it's one of those little sort of signalling exercise to say, well, i've waited this i've been very waited this far. i've been very magnanimous, patient, magnanimous, very patient, but enough shows enough is enough. and that shows on stage that he is on the world stage that he is a very cautious, uh, future statesman in terms of his electoral, uh, prospects. i don't changes very much don't think it changes very much at okay. don't think it changes very much at political commentator >> political commentator benedict thanks very benedict spence, thanks very much. the thoughts much. let's get the thoughts of our panel joe phillips, our panel now. joe phillips, political commentator, and claire sir keir claire pearsall clair, sir keir has that has said this morning that he warned netanyahu, warned benjamin netanyahu, quote, extend israel's quote, not to extend israel's military offensive rafah as military offensive to rafah as he need for a two he stressed the need for a two state do you agree state solution. do you agree with that not with benedict that it's not going do much for his going to really do much for his electoral going to really do much for his eleyyeah, i mean, i think >> yeah, i mean, i think benedict was right. it isn't going much at all because going to do much at all because it is too late. you can't not have your party calling for something. four months something. and then four months later, you might later, decide that you might like that. he feels that like to do that. he feels that he fill the void and he needs to fill the void and get some headlines out there. and i that's about it. and and i think that's about it. and i once, the british i think for once, the british government rishi sunak's government the right government has done the right thing being consistent

thing by just being consistent and the background, and being in the background, offering can. offering support where they can. lord cameron going out onto the international think lord cameron going out onto the interthatynal think lord cameron going out onto the interthat is|l think lord cameron going out onto the interthat is the think lord cameron going out onto the interthat is the best think lord cameron going out onto the interthat is the best thing: lord cameron going out onto the interthat is the best thing you that that is the best thing you can do because whatever keir starmer says, think starmer says, i don't think anybody to listen to anybody is going to listen to within his own party. let alone israel or gaza , and the prime israel or gaza, and the prime minister are sitting back minister are just sitting back and we are offering our and saying, we are offering our support. to do support. we are offering to do whatever we can. but keeping out of the actual, uh, fighting itself, i think, is the right thing to do. >> joe, this just gives more ammunition to sir keir's nickname of flip flop , nickname of sir flip flop, doesn't it? he's just late to the party again. he's very cautious. >> think you know, >> i think that is, you know, his natural demeanour. he's a lawyer, you know . he wants to lawyer, you know. he wants to see the evidence. he's got a lot of people as all the leaders have people talking in his ears with, uh, information from focus groups, polling groups , people groups, polling groups, people who are trying to get up the greasy pole and all of that sort of stuff. and there's nothing wrong with being cautious. sometimes cautious is better than he has had than knee jerk. but he has had a very bumpy week. um and there have been flip flopping, you

know, not least all on the know, not least of all on the green energy , uh, investment green energy, uh, investment plans , you know, because the plans, you know, because the simple thing is , actually, you simple thing is, actually, you didn't to put price on didn't need to put a price on it. you just needed to say we are committed to. but because you a price tag it, you you put a price tag on it, you then to row back because then have to row back because you can't afford it. so it looks like rowing from the like you're rowing back from the whole are other whole thing. there are other issues we've we've already issues that we've we've already spoken about, and i think on on gaza, palestine, as benedict said, it's not going to make a difference. if there was a general election tomorrow. so yeah, you know, although people care and they care very deeply and you know, take a and they may, you know, take a variety stances, you just variety of stances, but you just can't trust starmer, can you? >> one year he wants jeremy corbyn in power despite rubbing shoulders with hamas. the next he's got a £28 billion green pledge that he bottles the next week. goes on on. he just week. it goes on and on. he just u—turns know, just u—turns and, you know, you just want to know what what he's about really. where's the substance? >> i substance? » i substance? >> i you could say >> well, i think you could say the same about any politician in any. not bad keir any. not as bad as sir keir starmer, surely? can starmer, surely? yes you can actually. i mean, you can look

at last six ministers at the last six prime ministers we've and tell me what we've had and tell me what promises any of them have kept. >> well, truss never had >> well, liz truss never had a chance. she was before chance. she was ousted before she chance without. she had a chance without. >> i think also in this debate. >> so it's all very well for keir starmer say a ceasefire keir starmer to say a ceasefire now. he's put any now. but he's not put any suggestions as to what would happen next. and you can't just say, well, a ceasefire say, well, he said a ceasefire and then everything will fine and then everything will be fine because isn't going because that plainly isn't going to said to delegates to happen, he said to delegates in this morning. in glasgow this morning. >> one >> any ceasefire cannot be one sided. stop all acts of sided. it must stop all acts of violence on both and it violence on both sides, and it must to a genuine peace must lead to a genuine peace process. but i guess the problem is need hamas, the death is you need hamas, the death cult, the kid killers to come to the table and behave like normal people. >> also, you know, it's the aftermath. going aftermath. who is going to rebuild all rebuild gaza? where are all these people, these poor, destitute, homeless, starving people , women and children going people, women and children going to go to, you know, who's going to go to, you know, who's going to after them ? who's going to look after them? who's going to look after them? who's going to pay for it? are you going to rebuild is it going to be rebuild it? is it going to be a two state solution? >> it needs to be a two state solution. i everyone's solution. i think everyone's agreed political

agreed across the political spectrum to be. spectrum that it needs to be. i mean, everybody rishi sunak um, joe biden, david kahlon well, just did make just briefly, what did you make of call from rishi? this of this call from rishi? this may friday. rishi may be laughing friday. rishi sunak the to sunak calling for the right to unite. he never mentioned reform by name. but i mean, that's what he do you know what i think he >> do you know what i think he should just call for own should just call for his own politicians unite a united politicians to unite a united conservative be conservative party would be a start. i don't think we need to add anybody else into the mix. can party stop can the parliamentary party stop fighting and then we fighting each other and then we might a chance winning might have a chance of winning this if they this election, because if they don't then it's toast. don't do that, then it's toast. >> richard said that >> richard tice said that they're going to they're definitely not going to do brexit party and do what the brexit party did and stand the tories are not stand aside the tories are not to trusted at their word. to be trusted at their word. >> well, you know, there's nothing to show it's nothing to show actually. it's only people who only supposition that people who voted reform would have voted conservative if reform weren't standing. and i think , you know, standing. and i think, you know, the point that you made, ben, is true that although the tories did really , really bell really, did really, really bell really, really badly, rather the increase in the vote for labour were actually quite minimal. so it's a swing against the

conservatives as opposed to and actually nigel farage made this point previously on this occasion with reform and also previously with like not a reform election broadcast . but reform election broadcast. but is it i mean there are other parties involved and i mean they're the third party now in some areas . some areas. >> lib dems are finished. >> lib dems are finished. >> well, in some areas , well, >> well, in some areas, well, you think they're going to poll higher than reform nationally? i've got no idea. i mean, it depends when it depends. >> where's davey ? no one's >> where's ed davey? no one's seen ed davey for weeks since the post office the lib. it's like where's wally? where is he? have you seen ed davey? >> no, i haven't, and i and i think it's really interesting you bring that up because the, the really haven't made the lib dems really haven't made any whatsoever. you any gains whatsoever. and you look by elections look at these two by elections and been nowhere. and they've been nowhere. normally they are out campaigning really hard. they haven't seem to have haven't been. they seem to have sunk background. i sunk in the background. and i do think reform are looking like they are going to be the third party. >> my point there might be in some but but the point some places, but but the point i'm know, this is some places, but but the point i'm a know, this is some places, but but the point i'm a this know, this is some places, but but the point i'm a this is know, this is some places, but but the point i'm a this is not know, this is some places, but but the point i'm a this is not anow, this is some places, but but the point i'm a this is not a tv/, this is some places, but but the point i'm a this is not a tv channel, not a this is not a tv channel, which is just for the voice of

nigel farage and richard tice. >> no, it's the first time i've mentioned nigel on this. it's been hour, 17 minutes. the been an hour, 17 minutes. the second, second. well, second, the second. well, he's a presenter this channel. presenter on this channel. yeah. my presenter on this channel. yeah. my there's a myth my point was that there's a myth that voters, as with that reform voters, as with ukip, were just draining votes from conservatives when in from the conservatives when in actual was of actual fact it was a lot of disillusioned labour voters. >> and that was >> no, absolutely. and that was the was making. there's the point i was making. there's nothing show that, you know, the point i was making. there's ncreform show that, you know, the point i was making. there's ncreform weren'tthat, you know, the point i was making. there's ncreform weren't standing,

me, ben leo. lots more coming up on show, including human on today's show, including human rights campaigners have claimed offices from russia's intelligence service visited the prison was prison where alexei navalny was held two before death. held two days before his death. is this more evidence that putin gave order silence gave the order to silence navalny? that and more to navalny? all of that and more to come. you're watching and listening news britain's listening to gb news britain's news channel

radio. >> welcome back to gb news sunday with me, ben leo on tv, onune sunday with me, ben leo on tv, online and digital radio. some emails flying in. andrew says good afternoon, andrew sunak is correct. the right should unite all tories. should all tories should stand down and allow reform a path to victory. interesting idea. i think twice did moot that. a couple of weeks ago to that much humour from the tory benches , terry says i'm tory benches, terry says i'm warming to the idea of uniting the right. whose idea is it exactly? deals ensure the exactly? deals to ensure the survival of genuine tories, coupled with reform parliamentary routes so certainly not a full scale stand

down. uh, ian says i've been a tory voter and tory member for over 40 years. um, i had a vote in the leadership election, which i voted for, liz truss. i won't be voting again. there we go. and part the go. and that's part of the problem, isn't it? just complete disillusionment with the current state guess not just the state of, i guess not just the conservative but politics conservative party, but politics in uh, let's in general. so, uh, so let's move human rights move on. human rights campaigners, claimed campaigners, they've claimed officers russia's officers from russia's intelligence the intelligence service visited the prison where vladimir putin rival alexei navalny was held two days before his death . the two days before his death. the high putin critic died high profile putin critic died suddenly on friday. in the days following, navalny's mother has been able to recover his body, she said . following his death, she said. following his death, hundreds people across russia hundreds of people across russia have been detained and blocked from memorial from laying flowers at memorial events and kremlin, they say events and the kremlin, they say the reaction is the west's reaction is unacceptable, it as unacceptable, describing it as absolutely rabid. foreign secretary lord david cameron said there will be consequences for vladimir putin. joining me now is former head of counter—terrorism at the mod, major general chip chapman . good major general chip chapman. good afternoon chip. is this case as clear cut. is this a direct putin hit on alexei navalny or

is there more to it? because one question i had is why would putin do this at a time when all it's going to result in is make the case for more aid for ukraine? >> well, the body is the cause of the death and that's not been released yet, but murder is the system in russia . system in russia. >> we saw that with litvinenko. >> we saw that with litvinenko. >> we saw it with skripal, we saw it with boris nemtsov, who was the true opposition leader in 2015. i think putin actually believes he's winning in ukraine. so it doesn't really give two figs about that sort of stuff. but what the death does, mark, is the culmination of the kremlin's effort to eliminate all sources of opposition . um, all sources of opposition. um, and don't forget , navalny was and don't forget, navalny was barred from the 2018 election in the same way that boris dean has been barred from the 2022 election. he was the independent candidate, so this is really putin consolidating his power. if you get in his way , he'll get if you get in his way, he'll get rid of you. that's exactly what happened after prigozhin and the

coup or suspected mutiny , uh, coup or suspected mutiny, uh, last year. and does this indeed increase the call for more funding for ukraine? >> the republican party in the us are arming and arming about sending another. i think it's 90 million or billion. is it billion dollars ? yeah, another billion dollars? yeah, another $90 billion. just insane amounts of money. does this give the case more weight ? case more weight? >> it's not a causal link, but, uh, there's the thing which is still evident is that russia is a revanchist state, which seeks to impose itself on eastern europe and to increase its sphere of influence. if you believe that theory of history, which i do, then support should be there anyway. the support from america, the 60 billion is stuck in the house of representatives at the moment . representatives at the moment. they're actually on recess at the moment till the end of february. so there isn't going to be that coming in the next couple of weeks . um, so the key couple of weeks. um, so the key thing is what is it really mean for the future? because we've got presidential elections on

the 13th to 15th of march, where it is inevitable that putin will will win, we'll have, uh, putin 5.0. and by the end of that, he'll have been in power longer than stalin would have been in power. and in that time , his power. and in that time, his authoritarian leaders like him seem to entrench authority , seem to entrench authority, institutions and practices . and institutions and practices. and thatis institutions and practices. and that is why navalny was got out of the way, not because he was important politically, but he was important in the marketplace ofideas. was important in the marketplace of ideas . that's why, actually, of ideas. that's why, actually, navalny will live on, because one of the things he understood was the power of social media. and youtube. so exactly why six months ago, he did a youtube video which said that even though he might die, he would not die because those ideas will live on. he really campaigned on anti—corruption because the ideas of sort of human rights and democracy are not really that well developed in russia, but they will live on because that was something which had emotional the emotional resonance with the people russia . people in russia. >> yeah. mean, you've really >> yeah. i mean, you've really got give to navalny,

got to give it to navalny, regardless what you think of regardless of what you think of him. i mean, going back into russia, knowing that the russia, despite knowing that the threat was hanging over his threat that was hanging over his head the sake of, you head, all for the sake of, you know, standing his country, know, standing by his country, it's admired. but it's got to be admired. but former head of counter—terrorism at the mod, major general chip chapman, let's chapman, thanks very much. let's see panel maker this chapman, thanks very much. let's see um, panel maker this chapman, thanks very much. let's see um, joe,)anel maker this chapman, thanks very much. let's see um, joe, letzl maker this chapman, thanks very much. let's see um, joe, let me aker this chapman, thanks very much. let's see um, joe, let me just this chapman, thanks very much. let's see um, joe, let me just come now. um, joe, let me just come to vladimir. vladimir to you. vladimir. vladimir zelenskyy, president . zelenskyy, ukrainian president. he a corrupt thug he called putin a corrupt thug in of this navalny in the wake of this navalny news. but some people have said that he is also jailed. a ukrainian russian journalist who's been critical of the ukrainian government and he's been languishing in for been languishing in a cell for 400 days. and they're kind of asking, what's the difference? i know he's not poisoned but know he's not poisoned him, but what's the difference? >> there's a considerable difference, isn't there? i mean, i there are for i think, you know, there are for sure there are questions and one of reasons that ukraine was of the reasons that ukraine was not, allowed to join nato not, uh, allowed to join nato and the eu was because of it hadnt and the eu was because of it hadn't been seen to address corruption. and there is no doubt he's just got rid of his , doubt he's just got rid of his, um, former chief of the army and replaced him with somebody else. but to go back to zelenskyy, um,

sorry to navalny. navalny um, i think, you know, we've been talking a lot today about politics, about threats to politicians , about toxic politicians, about toxic cultures , about mps leaving cultures, about mps leaving sinking ships, i think, and we've had people saying, i'm not going to vote for anybody because they're all the same. i think this is a reminder and it should be a stark reminder to all we are so all of us that we are so fortunate in this country to have democracy . and people like have democracy. and people like navalny, who has now left his children fatherless. his wife is a widow. it's very sad. it's beyond sad. it's people who have got principles . and he knew, as got principles. and he knew, as you said, he knew when he went back to russia, he was probably going to be murdered . he going to be murdered. he wouldn't have necessarily been safe if he'd stayed in the west. there would have been another. >> he was poisoned in, i think it was berlin some years ago with novichok, and he miraculously survived. >> i mean, i think, >> exactly. so i mean, i think, you it doesn't any of you know, it doesn't do any of us any harm just for a minute to stop and actually stop and think and actually

think is think this is what ukraine is fighting. they're fighting putin. so people who are wobbling and of course, it's a huge amount of money, but they're getting ever closer . they're getting ever closer. >> but claire, the concern is where does this endless pit of taxpayer money end , especially taxpayer money end, especially when we've got our own problems in the west. >> yeah. and it's a really interesting question because i think you always have to look to support countries like ukraine who are fighting oppression against somebody that just wants to go in and take their lands. now, we wouldn't accept that in this country, and we would expect to come to our expect allies to come to our assistance. should somebody decide that they want to take a, you know, a part of the united kingdom as their own. so i think it's imperative that we continue support eating the ukrainians and supporting zelenskyy himself in winning this war. but i do understand people's anger when you see the large amounts of money and the supplies that are going over there, when you're also leaving british forces with less of the stuff that they would need to defend themselves

should, you know, should the worst happen this country. so worst happen in this country. so i the argument, don't i get the argument, but i don't think can just back out. think that we can just back out. i think america needs to step up perhaps a little more than perhaps a little bit more than they have done previously. and for rest of europe get for the rest of europe to get their act together and put in what is needed to, to make this war end, because it has to end. it's now two years on and it's still not anywhere near it. >> joe, what do you make of this? i mean, the main concern that we need to arm ukraine and keep arming them is that once if and when putin takes ukraine, he's just to move further he's just going to move further west it's going nato west and it's going to be nato countries well absolutely. countries next. well absolutely. >> know, we all >> i mean, you know, we all stood by and didn't do anything when took over crimea in when he took over crimea in 2014, which gave i mean, 2014, which gave him, i mean, the remember about the thing to remember about putin is he a long game. putin is he plays a long game. he's because he's got he's patient because he's got nobody at his heels. nobody snapping at his heels. he's you know, do he's not having to, you know, do what sunak keir starmer what rishi sunak or keir starmer is and do the right thing is to try and do the right thing to elected. he can stay to get elected. he can stay there long wants, so he there as long as he wants, so he can play a long game. he can be dangerous. he can stir up mischief by saying nice things

about you know, and about joe biden. you know, and well, said well, he said so. >> said of course he wanted >> he said of course he wanted him win the president. i said him to win the president. i said to that. i mean, who wouldn't want joe biden to the want joe biden to win the presidency when he's kind of, you what you know, doesn't know what day of week is? um he, you of the week it is? um he, you know, wouldn't that as know, who wouldn't want that as an uh well, precisely. >> so that's, you know, putin's meddling. and we know that russia has meddled in elections all their all over the world, and their influence diabolical. um, influence is diabolical. um, but i know what do we do? i think, you know what do we do? what can do? ukraine is, you what can we do? ukraine is, you know, it is on the continent of europe, and there is absolutely no doubt, ben, that if putin gets away with this, you know , gets away with this, you know, where's next poland, estonia ? where's next poland, estonia? you know, it's um. yeah it's scary. we live in scary times indeed. >> right. you're watching listening to gb news sunday with me. ben. leo. plenty more coming up on today's show. but first, here's the news sam . here's the news with sam. >> ben, thank you very much . >> ben, thank you very much. just gone 2:30. i'm sam francis.

the headlines this hour. sir keir starmer has now called for a permanent ceasefire in gaza dunng a permanent ceasefire in gaza during a speech at the scottish labour conference it's a change to his previous stance for a pause in the fighting , saying pause in the fighting, saying instead the war must stop now. but he said if the ceasefire can't be one sided, calling for the hamas terror group to release all of its remaining hostages taken on october 7, and he's also said that even in the most terrible of circumstances , most terrible of circumstances, a two state solution must be back on the table in the us, the white house has blamed inaction by republicans in congress for russia's capture of another ukrainian city, kyiv ordered the withdrawal of troops from the eastern city of avdiivka earlier yesterday, giving moscow its first major gains since the fall of bakhmut last year. joe biden had been warning that a shortage of ammunition in ukraine could see that city fall into russian hands , as he's been pushing hands, as he's been pushing congress to agree to more military aid for ukraine. the russian president, though, has praised the city's capture, calling it a important victory.

and two people we understand have now been charged by police and will appear in court after the pro—palestine demonstrations in central london yesterday, 34 year old lucia whittaker debru, has been charged with failing to remove a face covering and 48 year old martin prady is accused of obstructing a police constable. that comes after tens of thousands of protesters marched through the irish, the scottish and the english capitals in major demonstrations against the gaza war yesterday . against the gaza war yesterday. 12 arrests were made in london for a string of alleged offences , including hate related placards and some assaults on police officers . and the king police officers. and the king was seen smiling and waving as he attended church in sandringham this morning. he and the queen braved wet weather the queen braved the wet weather clutching umbrellas in their first since prince first public outing since prince harry's interview on good morning america , the duke of morning america, the duke of sussex said he is said to be willing to undertake some royal dufies willing to undertake some royal duties while his father

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have been sending emails in one particular caught my eye particular plea, caught my eye from bob, who says we have a democracy, but it's more dangerous to go out after dark. and sometimes in the day than places like saudi arabia. i'm sorry. our democracy gives us a very poor way of life. interesting point, anthony says plainly. the wealthy tory party. this is on the allowing foreign dentists to come and work unqualified, potentially, he says plainly, the wealthy tory party are going to foist these untested , possibly unqualified untested, possibly unqualified foreign dentists on the poor who use nhs dentistry while they use qualified professionals privately for themselves. this stinks of elitism. now should the government be prioritising british workers? according to the office of national statistics, a total of 6.9 million people born overseas were working in the uk at the end of last year. now that's up by more than 400,000 over the past year alone, and now ministers are planning to scrap exams required to allow those dentists from countries outside of to work here. let's of europe to work here. let's see what my maker this

see what my panel maker this now, uh, joe phillips . hello, now, uh, joe phillips. hello, claire pearsall forgot your names as well. i think need names as well. i think i need a break. i need couple break. i need a couple of coffees in this this is. i coffees in here. this this is. i mean, what could go wrong with this, this dentist situation allowing foreign, potentially unqualified to come and unqualified dentists to come and sort your molars and whatnot sort your molars out and whatnot . could go wrong, claire? . what could go wrong, claire? >> don't think >> well, i mean, i don't think anybody wants somebody that's only uh, only partly qualified, uh, roaming inside their roaming around inside their mouth at their mouth and looking at their teeth. but i think what's more worrying is that the government are this scheme up to are putting this scheme up to address the lack of nhs dentistry , um, availability. but dentistry, um, availability. but they're not putting any restrictions on these people who are who could come over. they're not saying you have to come and work in nhs dental practices , so work in nhs dental practices, so you've got the potential that these people could come over and actually set up a private actually just set up a private practice so you're practice in the uk. so you're not any problems not solving any problems anyway. so a plan. so so it's only half a plan. so they really need to go back to they really need to go back to the drawing board and have a look at this. you need qualified people. need people people. you also need people to only nhs dentistry. that only work in nhs dentistry. that is where the is. we don't

is where the need is. we don't need more private dentists . need any more private dentists. >> we lots of them. but why >> we have lots of them. but why wouldn't you go private joe, i, i am lucky enough to go private. when go for a check—up. it's when i go for a check—up. it's £90. if i had some braces a couple of years ago, that was five wouldn't five grand. i mean, why wouldn't you when dentists are you go private when dentists are earning so much money? >> mean, why wouldn't you? >> you mean, why wouldn't you? if dentist, why if you're a dentist, why wouldn't a private capacity? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> no. absolutely. but, i >> oh, no. absolutely. but, i mean, this isn't problem mean, this isn't a problem that's overnight. how that's arisen overnight. how long conservatives been long have the conservatives been in remind me. in power? just remind me. 14 years. you know how many dentists could have been trained in people have been in that time? people have been warning and warning about this for years and years and know years and years, and we know that oral health is that dental, oral health is unked that dental, oral health is linked to a whole load of other things. just about, you things. it's not just about, you know, teeth are know, whether your teeth are nice straight and shiny. nice and straight and shiny. it's linked to diabetes, it's unked it's linked to diabetes, it's linked dementia, it's linked it's linked to diabetes, it's linkedsortszmentia, it's linked it's linked to diabetes, it's linkedsorts ofentia, it's linked it's linked to diabetes, it's linkedsorts of heart it's linked it's linked to diabetes, it's linkedsorts of heart conditions to all sorts of heart conditions as well. conditions, all as well. heart conditions, all sorts uh, check ups. as well. heart conditions, all sort know, uh, check ups. as well. heart conditions, all sort know, there jh, check ups. as well. heart conditions, all sort know, there was:heck ups. as well. heart conditions, all sort know, there was aeck ups. as well. heart conditions, all sort know, there was a lot ups. as well. heart conditions, all sort know, there was a lot of s. you know, there was a lot of sort of sneery stuff when labour suggested, supervised suggested, um, having supervised teeth brushing at but teeth brushing at schools, but actually, sense. actually, it makes sense. >> for all that. think >> i was for all that. i think everyone was it was everyone was saying it was a nanny state. >> but you know, you've got

you've got young children, ben, and knows, know, and anybody knows, you know, actually a good idea actually it's quite a good idea to somebody to check that to have somebody to check that you've done it, you're not you've done it, that you're not painting with the toothbrush. >> brushed my teeth and >> i brushed my kids teeth and i'm on that, but i thought i'm quite on that, but i thought it was quite good idea, it was quite a good idea, because amount of times that because the amount of times that you kids in with, you you see kids coming in with, you know, absolutely rotten teeth, but they into school but they, they come into school or having crisps for or nursery having crisps for breakfast. let me ask breakfast. but, joe, let me ask you quick question. you this one quick question. nobody side of the nobody from your side of the argument links dental argument ever links dental waiting lists or even nhs waiting lists or even nhs waiting migration, waiting lists with migration, we've levels of legal we've had record levels of legal migration. got so—called migration. we've got a so—called invasion southern invasion of the southern border. there's just too many people here, it? here, isn't it? >> i really resent that phrase invasion of a sudden, but we've >> i really resent that phrase inva beenyf a sudden, but we've >> i really resent that phrase inva beenyf a sud aboutut we've >> i really resent that phrase inva beenyf a sud about ukraine, just been talking about ukraine, for we are not. for goodness sake. we are not. >> that's how people describe it. well i certainly wouldn't. >> would reject that. and >> and i would reject that. and i should too. i don't i think you should too. i don't think it's a very helpful or sensible, phrase to so sensible, um, phrase to use. so what you to say that what are you trying to say that there too many there are, there's too many people are many people here. there are too many people here. there are too many people are jumping the queue people who are jumping the queue or too many people who can't afford just too many people here. >> we've got migration of

>> we've got net migration of 700,000 a city the size 700,000 a year, a city the size of birmingham, which is the conservative felt working here. >> working here. >> and they're working here. they're filling gaps. >> all working here? we >> are they all working here? we had latest up the had we had latest latest up the figures million. but we had figures 6.9 million. but we had latest friday latest gdp figures on friday o.3% latest gdp figures on friday 0.3% we're now in 0.3% contraction. we're now in a recession . but important one recession. but the important one was capita per head. how was gdp per capita per head. how wealthy individuals are that contracted by 0.7% despite a city the size of birmingham coming here every two years, that completely blows apart the myth. but it's migration is good for the economy. >> but well, who would do these jobs? we've got jobs? because we've got 9 million people who are economically inactive and many of those people are long terme sick. now, a lot of that sickness can be traced back to covid. a lot of it can also be traced back to things like bad housing. a lot of it might be unked housing. a lot of it might be linked to dental treatment, waiting lists, ability to get to see a doctor that's got nothing to do with immigration. that's about the failure of this government to deal with public services and the infrastructure. >> some would argue the facts that can't. some have

that we can't. some areas have to wait weeks to see a gp. to wait for weeks to see a gp. they would blame that on migration and also not just solely, also fact that solely, but also the fact that the arguably in some the tories arguably in some quarters, been funding quarters, haven't been funding the nhs and dentistry enough. i mean, say the has been mean, i'd say the nhs has been record, enjoyed record record, has enjoyed record funding , but this record, has enjoyed record funding, but this link to migration never discussed migration is never discussed enough. it whenever it enough. and when it whenever it is, seems to is, it is discussed. it seems to be among people from be sacrilege among people from the left. >> i think you have to separate the argument between the legal migration and those who are here. irregular in an irregular fashion, because they are very, very different things. if you look at net migration stats, those are people who are coming into the country like 200,000 ukrainians, people from hong kong and the afghan relocation scheme, just to name those three, those those will have jobs to look forward to. they will integrate into the system and the majority of them are students. so they're here to put into the economy . if you look at into the economy. if you look at the other side of the market, yeah, there's a massive issue with people coming here in an irregular . yes. is irregular basis. yes. it is

incumbent upon the government to actually sort that out and process quicker because process people quicker because there people that there may be some people that you send back whence they you can send back whence they came, there be some came, but there may be some people become people who will become economically active, because all of those are sitting in of those who are sitting in asylum at the moment asylum hotels at the moment can't work, so they can't put into economy . some of them into the economy. some of them may some of them we may be able to some of them we don't want to here for don't want to stay here for many, so there is many, many reasons. so there is an awful lot to sort out. it's what do you make to what do you make of these these gdp per head figures, in which figures, contracts in 0.7, which in my completely blows figures, contracts in 0.7, which in mythe completely blows figures, contracts in 0.7, which in mythe myth ompletely blows figures, contracts in 0.7, which in mythe myth that letely blows figures, contracts in 0.7, which in mythe myth that migrationys figures, contracts in 0.7, which in mythe myth that migration is apart the myth that migration is good for the economy. yeah, but we've lot of people we've also got a lot of people who economically inactive who are economically inactive for very, very many different reasons. be reasons. now, that could well be because of the strikes in the nhs that you've had, operations that have delayed . people that have been delayed. people are waiting so they can't actually go into work because they're waiting for treatment. so be sorted out. so that needs to be sorted out. but i mean are but yeah, i mean there are always arguments. you look at the pressures i the nhs the pressures i think the nhs has more money than it has had more money than it really to have thrown at really needs to have thrown at it. i think it needs to be organised better and i think you

need the management. need to take the management. >> not allowed to say >> you're not allowed to say that. that's against the holy bible nhs saying that. bible of the nhs saying that. >> agree with >> so i completely agree with come me for it, but come and hate me for it, but i really think you need to look at the organisation and look at the management look at diversity management and look at diversity officers and things like that, which waste. which are a massive waste. >> a year. diversity >> 150 k a year. those diversity officers. what are officers. there you go. what are they good for? look at it. look really briefly digitality. >> an awful >> you know, there's an awful lot other stuff that could be lot of other stuff that could be done to make it more efficient. >> phillips >> yeah. okay. joe phillips claire very claire pearsall, thank you very much. lots more coming up on today's show, including it's been former been reported that the former presenter phillip schofield, paid a figure paid his ex—lover a six figure sum non—disclosure sum in a non—disclosure agreement both agreement preventing them both from discussing, discussing their relationship. of course, this massive story last this was the massive story last yeah this was the massive story last year. was probably the year. it was probably the showbiz story of the year. we're going stuck into that going to get stuck into that with showbiz reporter fairly with our showbiz reporter fairly shortly. and shortly. all of that and

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sunday with me. ben leo on your tv online and on digital radio. now, it's been reported this morning that the former this morning presenter phillip schofield, his ex—lover a schofield, paid his ex—lover a six sum in a six figure sum in a non—disclosure deal, according to the report, both schofield and his former colleague signed the , preventing either party the nda, preventing either party from ever talking about their relationship . joining me now is relationship. joining me now is showbiz reporter stephanie takyi. good afternoon stephanie. this was a surprise story from the mail on sunday, wasn't it? we enjoyed , um, and i did enjoy we enjoyed, um, and i did enjoy it last year. the drama the it last year. the drama of the schofield situation. now we know that he's gagged his lover post all that commotion. what's going on? >> i'm not surprised about that at all. ben. as you know, the phillip schofield scandal with his affair with his younger male colleague, was probably one of the worst kept secret in showbiz for a very long time , which the for a very long time, which the papers had sat on for many years. and obviously they waited till philip was ready to come pubuc till philip was ready to come public with it. but there's always two sides to this story , always two sides to this story, and, you know, there's very much

more detail which hasn't been made public. and in these kind of situations yet. we've heard philip side of the story last year when he gave that interview to bbc. but this poor young to the bbc. but this poor young man, there's much more that the media and journalists themselves, i can imagine , have themselves, i can imagine, have been proposing him with many figures of money for him to tell his side of the story and to be honest , his side of the story and to be honest, phillip his side of the story and to be honest , phillip schofield, with honest, phillip schofield, with this move , it's damage control this move, it's damage control because to be honest, it's the dust has kind of settled. it's been almost a year now. philip's come out of the limelight and he's kind of put this situation to bed by paying off his lover. but as well, if you think about this young man whose identity i won't go into is probably well known within the industry and within the papers. and this man is probably finding it difficult to continue. maybe a career in the media industry . so to be the media industry. so to be honest, this is not just about keeping him quiet about the affair , but it's also for him to affair, but it's also for him to have a living because, as you

can imagine, his identity is well known online and all these kind of places. so for him , he kind of places. so for him, he needs to now set a life again. minus poster scandal. and also ben with phillip schofield. you know, he hasn't legally done anything wrong with this affair. and so potentially there could be room for philip's schofield one day in the future to pick up his broadcasts in a career. really the last thing he maybe who is having you never know. someone out there might still want him or maybe five years from now when the dust is really settled, he can pick up his career again and he wouldn't want any more of this information to get out there. well, you never know. >> i mean, bizarre things have happened. donald trump became president, didn't he? so you never know. and you make great never know. and you make a great point the young lad on one point about the young lad on one side of the argument, i'm thinking, know, he shouldn't thinking, you know, he shouldn't be muzzled like be censored and muzzled like this. but on the flip side, apparently according to the mail on sunday, he's he's got a six figure payout for the privilege. so hopefully he can rebuild his

life like that as for philip phillip schofield, where's he been? said that made been? you said that he's made a reappearance recently. not reappearance recently. i've not seen he been? seen that. where has he been? >> you know, he's been >> well, you know, he's been out. you he's still got out. you know he's still got a lot of celebrity friends. so you know paps, he's of interest know the paps, he's of interest to the paparazzi. so there's been many meet ups that have seen met up with seen him. he's met up with someone vanessa feltz. so someone like vanessa feltz. so he's been here. there everywhere, you know, the everywhere, you know, and the pictures seen of pictures that i've seen of philip newspapers, he philip in the newspapers, he still looks like he's good still looks like he's in good spirits. never know. spirits. but you never know. a picture only tell so much. picture can only tell so much. but you know, this once the but you know, this was once the face of morning tv. so he's definitely taken a tumble from grace. and, you know, recently he sold the apartment, which apparently was where they were meeting up and conducting this affair. so i can imagine philip is very desperate to put the chapter to bed. well yeah, certainly. >> certainly a fall from grace. and one particular quote from that mail on sunday story this morning says phillip schofield has lost a lot . but morning says phillip schofield has lost a lot. but imagine if the fall details came out, it

would be pretty cataclysmic for him . stephanie takyi, thanks him. stephanie takyi, thanks very much for that . we did reach very much for that. we did reach out to itv for a comment. they're yet to respond. um, so yeah, we just have to take the mail on sunday at their word. you've been watching and listening to gb news sunday with me. ben leo, thank you so much for joining me this afternoon. don't go anywhere, though. nana akuais don't go anywhere, though. nana akua is up next. but first, let's a at the weather let's take a look at the weather with marco . with marco. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we hold on to unsettled weather across uk over the next few across the uk over the next few days. seeing some rain at days. all seeing some rain at times staying mild for the times but staying mild for the times but staying mild for the time being. at least this weather pushed outbreaks time being. at least this we rainr pushed outbreaks time being. at least this werain away pushed outbreaks time being. at least this we rain away from shed outbreaks time being. at least this werain away from thei outbreaks time being. at least this werain away from the south—east of rain away from the south—east of rain away from the south—east of during course of of england during the course of the so we've got the afternoon, so we've got a ridge building ridge of high pressure building in west, quieting in from the west, quieting things down for the overnight

period. further rains period. but further rains gathering towards west, gathering out towards the west, and will in across the and that will move in across the far the as we far north—west of the uk as we head the overnight period. head into the overnight period. elsewhere though, showers will head into the overnight period. elsevtoere though, showers will head into the overnight period. elsevto easeough, showers will head into the overnight period. elsevto ease through owers will head into the overnight period. elsevto ease through the rs will tend to ease through the evening. see of clear evening. we'll see lots of clear weather sending misty weather sending quite misty though patches though with some fog patches across the across parts of wales and the south—west england during the south—west of england during the early following on from early hours. following on from that band, see that rain band, we'll see showers quite blustery showers turning quite blustery there the north—west there towards the far north—west by quite a mild by the morning. quite a mild night. to or night. temperatures down to 4 or 5 rural parts of 5 degrees across rural parts of scotland, but elsewhere holding up figures. up in the high single figures. as we'll outbreaks as for monday, we'll outbreaks of rain continue their journey south eastwards england of rain continue their journey soutwales,yards england of rain continue their journey soutwales, weakening england and wales, weakening all the while so giving some patchy rain across southeast across the far southeast into the it's the afternoon. elsewhere, it's a day of sunshine with a few showers those showers showers around. those showers quite towards north showers around. those showers quitywest towards north showers around. those showers quitywest of towards north showers around. those showers quitywest of scotland, north showers around. those showers quitywest of scotland, but north showers around. those showers quitywest of scotland, but once] and west of scotland, but once again a mild day for the again it's a mild day for the time temperatures time of year. temperatures mostly 9 or mostly in double figures, 9 or 10 at best. in the 10 degrees at best. in the north, up to 13 or 14 celsius down towards the south—east. as for further wet for tuesday, we'll further wet and will move in and windy weather will move in across northwest of uk across the northwest of the uk towards the and east, towards the south and east, though it's a quieter picture, a bit breezy but of bit breezy but plenty of sunshine staying sunshine around and staying quite time of year.

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