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>> good afternoon. it's exactly 3:01. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. >> our top story this hour. >> our top story this hour. >> sir keir starmer has called for a permanent ceasefire in gaza. >> during a speech at the scottish labour conference >> it's a change to his previous stance of a pause in the fighting , saying instead the war fighting, saying instead the war must stop now. but he says the ceasefire can't be one sided. he's calling on the hamas terror group to release all its remaining hostages. >> he also said that a two state solution must be back on the table , an end to the fighting . table, an end to the fighting. >> not just now, not just for a pause, but permanently. >> a ceasefire for that lasts. >> a ceasefire for that lasts. >> conference . yes, that is what >> conference. yes, that is what must happen now. the fighting must happen now. the fighting must stop now . must stop now. >> well, in the united states, the white house has blamed

inaction by republicans for russia's capture of another ukrainian city, kyiv ordered the withdrawal of troops from the eastern city of avdiivka yesterday, giving moscow its first major gain since last yeah >> joe biden had warned that a shortage of ammunition could see the city fall into russian hands as he pushed congress to agree more military aid. president putin has called it an important victory. former military intelligence officer philip ingram told us ukraine needs more support . more support. >> loss of a depher is significant. um, the ukrainians have been holding on to that since 2014. um and fighting the russians. but they've made the sensible military decision not to sacrifice any more of their troops to keep this completely decimated piece of territory. um, the russians are making some advances from a one dimensional perspective on the frontline. but but these advances are are tiny at the moment, and it's purely because russia has got more ammunition from north korea

and from iran. um, and the ukrainians are suffering a shortage of ammunition coming from the west . from the west. >> well, russian authorities have been accused of doing everything they can to avoid handing over mr navalny's body to his family. handing over mr navalny's body to his family . yesterday, the 69 to his family. yesterday, the 69 year old mother of vladimir putin's most vocal critic visited the remote penal colony where he died. she says she was told his body had been taken to a nearby morgue. but when she arrived, it was closed. meanwhile in london, tributes are continuing today at the russian embassy as people gather to lay flowers and messages for mr navalny . his spokespeople mr navalny. his spokespeople claim his death was orchestrated murder by the russian president. that's been rejected by the kremlin . well, two people have kremlin. well, two people have now been charged by police and will appear in court after a pro—palestine demonstrator in central london yesterday , 34 central london yesterday, 34 year old lucia whitaker de abrew

has been charged with failing to remove a face covering 48 year old martin prady is accused of obstructing a police constable. it comes after tens of thousands of protesters marched through the irish, scottish and english capitals in major demonstrations against the war in gaza . well, against the war in gaza. well, two ministers have written to police chiefs to express concern over the safety of politicians amid increased protests . amid increased protests. security minister tom tugendhat and policing minister chris philp took the unusual step after pro—palestinian activists gathered outside the home of tory mp tobias ellwood. it comes as reports in the daily mail suggest that just stop oil activists are planning to occupy the homes of mps, with one protester reportedly telling a journalist that the group is ready to, quote, look a bit loony . well the king was seen loony. well the king was seen smiling and waving as he attended church in sandringham this morning, braving the wet

weather, his majesty and the queen clutched umbrellas in their first public outing since prince harry's interview on us television in the duke of sussex, is said to be willing to undertake some royal duties, while his father undergoes treatment for cancer , though treatment for cancer, though there's reportedly been no changes to current arrangements . changes to current arrangements. ice and finally, britain's brightest stars are putting on their sunday best today ahead of their sunday best today ahead of the baftas this evening , the the baftas this evening, the nuclear bomb epic oppenheimer is leading the pack with 13 nominations, including best film. elsewhere, the crown star claire foy is up for best supporting actress for her role in the heartfelt drama all of us strangers. her co—star paul mescal is also up for a gong, though the film's lead, andrew scott, was notably snubbed. sophie ellis—bextor will perform her 2001 hit murder on the dancefloor for after it re—entered the charts thanks to thanks rather to a much talked about scene in the film

saltburn, which is also up for five awards. well, for the latest stories sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen right now, or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now back to . nana. now back to. nana. >> thank you ray. it is fast approaching seven minutes after 3:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua now before we get stuck into our debates over the next houh into our debates over the next hour, joining me for the clash today is social commentator jim dale. and also former ukip leader henry bolton . all right. leader henry bolton. all right. so here's what's coming up in the clash this hour . so here's what's coming up in the clash this hour. uh, so here's what's coming up in the clash this hour . uh, they'll the clash this hour. uh, they'll be going head to head over the labour party, donald trump, private schools and the falkland islands. so keir starmer is he right to criticise the former us president his comments on president over his comments on nato? we could see starmer in number 10 and trump in the white house this year next this time next year. so shouldn't he be

maybe what diplomat maybe a bit more? what diplomat perhaps, think? and perhaps, do you think? and whilst we're on it, labour are they right to slap vat on private schools. also has the right to protest gone too far with pro—palestinian protesters protesting outside sir tobias ellwood house? is that just a little bit too much? is this more like harassment? rather than protest? what do you think? and how do we stop it? if that's the case? and lord cameron says that there's no debate to be had, falklands are british. had, the falklands are british. he's to paying them to he's going to be paying them to paying he's going to be paying them to paying visit. lots of paying them a visit. but lots of people britain to people are urging britain to negotiate their status. should we even budge over this, or should we give them back? that's coming the next hour as coming up in the next hour as eveh coming up in the next hour as ever. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet at . gb news. all right, tweet me at. gb news. all right, let's kick off the clash with this, because earlier we heard from the people's panel in nottingham about the issues affecting them. will hollis was hosting let's have listen to hosting let's have a listen to what to say. what they had to say.

>> brought you the people's >> we brought you the people's panel nottingham panel from lenton in nottingham today because you can't speak about politics without hearing the voice of ordinary and extraordinary local people. today we had michael mckeever, a retired head teacher. catherine boehm , who is a local landlady boehm, who is a local landlady and jeff hampson, who's a veteran and supports other veterans too. we spoke about three things in particular. we spoke about illegal immigration. we spoke about the labour party and britain's place in a dangerous international world. michael mckeever, you're a retired headteacher. lots to go off. but what did you take away from what you heard today on camilla's programme? very disappointed to listen again to politicians not answering questions . questions. >> first of all. also to think on a sadder kind of more global scale that talking about gaza and russia . what worries me is and russia. what worries me is the apparent impotence of the west to do anything about it. and at the same time, we've got this immense sadness that the death of alex navalny and i feel

sorry for the russian people. it's kind of an extinction of hope for them . and that's the hope for them. and that's the worrying thing i take away from this morning, michael, looking at the picture. at the bigger picture. >> but here we are in britain, a small island nation. catherine you're a landlady. small island nation. catherine you're a landlady . you came into you're a landlady. you came into this thinking about illegal migration. what did you hear from the illegal immigration minister? >> well, nothing really different to what we were expecting. one point. 1.3% have been returned back. um, we need to deal with things at france. that's the only point that we need to deal with. um, everybody's getting over here, so we really, really need to work hard. hard with france to stop the eagle boats. because there's people dying at the end of the day. um, and it's not fair for those that are coming oveh fair for those that are coming over, and we're just housing everybody and, um, earlier on, we said about the veterans, we need to consider veterans as well for homes. so let's start looking at the veterans over here for homes more than anything , here for homes more than anything, we're looking here for homes more than anything , we're looking after

anything, we're looking after brits building a better brits by building a better relationship france . relationship with france. >> jeff, you work with veterans. you're a veteran yourself, but you're also a labour supporter. we've had shadow minister on we've had the shadow minister on today. do think of today. what do you think of labour? are they doing labour? how well are they doing in build a general in the build up to a general election? they've had two big by—election wins in last by—election wins in the last week. by—election wins in the last weel. by—election wins in the last wee i .. they're by—election wins in the last weel. they're doing >> i think they're doing a fantastic job. uh, having met sir keir personally. uh, great guy, very sincere in what he's doing. and i'm sure he will sort anti—semitism and everything out. and labour will win the next election . uh, our, our next election. uh, our, our local candidate, uh, in bassetlaw. general councillor jo white is doing very , very well. white is doing very, very well. she's a workaholic . she's always she's a workaholic. she's always on the streets knocking on doors, getting things done for bassetlaw. >> and that's in the red wall, bassetlaw, the red wall, nottinghamshire in the midlands went to the conservatives in 2019. but jeff, a labour supporter, is really hopeful that they'll get back in. it's all remotely the voice of the people that we need to hear

because it's the people who vote in our elections and we've got a big one coming up. expected by the end of this year. so every time you tune in to sunday morning politics gb news you morning politics on gb news you can hear from our people's panel to, well, we go. to, well, there we go. >> there's a lot of subjects that will dealt with there. so let's get started. let's welcome again my of social again to my clash of social commentator jim again to my clash of social commentatorjim dale and uh, former ukip leader and president of the primrose league, henry bolton, right. so let's get some reaction to the people's panel in what catherine said about how how illegal migrants have how few illegal migrants have been returned since landed been returned since they landed in britain just 1.3. is that enough? jim is that enough? 1.3. >> and there is the problem. >> and there is the problem. >> um , well, the problem is that >> um, well, the problem is that they're here and they're going nowhere. and so you got to ask yourself why it's not the fact that, i mean, why are they here? >> or why are they going nowhere? which one? why why, why are nowhere? are they going nowhere? >> because because that contingent of seekers contingent of asylum seekers will up with illegal will be made up with illegal immigrants, seekers and immigrants, asylum seekers and legal asylum seekers? no,

they're illegal the point they're all illegal to the point of no. >> you mean people on the boats? because let make the point. because let me make the point. >> the point it's the >> yeah, the point is it's the processing that's the problem. the the middle, if you the bit in the middle, if you like, the huge bit, if you take pubuc like, the huge bit, if you take public money away from them, uh, this which has happened this area which has happened in the years, then the last ten, 12 years, then you're going to process you're not going to process the people who over for here people who come over for here example, people from afghanistan who us in afghanistan , who support us in afghanistan, fought with us, have come over and they find themselves in the same logjam as who are same logjam as people who are truly illegal and should be should be put back and there there lies in the problem. if you take public money away from that , yes, then you end that process, yes, then you end up logjam. you end up up with a logjam. you end up with people being shunted from hotel to ship this, that, hotel to ship to this, to that, and have the and henceforth you have the reason we are. reason that's where we are. >> you say that, if >> well, you say that, but if you stop some of them from coming boats, that coming across on the boats, that source, that would be good. but also you talk about the processing, uh, the home office were processing, was were processing, i think it was nine a it's nine applicants a week. it's absurd. >> t- e well, the whole >> henry bolton well, the whole process start is process from start to finish is flawed. there no strategy.

flawed. there is no strategy. there comprehensive or there is no comprehensive or integrated planning. are not integrated planning. we are not connecting the diplomatic effort to movement from the in to stop the movement from the in the first place and sport out there the crime fighting there with the crime fighting element interdicting the movement and the criminal gangs all along the route. and we're not dealing with what's happening actually at the channel the french channel in the north french coast the channel. and coast and on the channel. and when we've got a when we, these people arrive in the uk, we've when we've got a when we, these peo no arrive in the uk, we've when we've got a when we, these peo no realfe in the uk, we've when we've got a when we, these peo no real coherentuk, we've when we've got a when we, these peo no real coherent plan'e've when we've got a when we, these peo no real coherent plan fora got no real coherent plan for that either. i mean, just for an example on if i may example on that, if i may quickly if and i've said this before, think if you land at, before, i think if you land at, i don't know, stansted, i think most understand they most people understand that they have arrived in the uk for have not arrived in the uk for immigration purposes until they've transited immigration controls don't that controls. we don't have that legal or physical facility on our maritime borders. >> .7 >> why? >> why? >> why? >> why it's not rocket >> why not? it's not rocket science . you actually science. and you can actually detain people under the un convention on refugees. you can detain people who have entered illegally, even if they've entered in to claim entered in order to claim asylum. um and then we've why is it and i don't know, the i'm an expert in borders and i don't

know why it is that the home office was able years ago to send a probably about ten fold more immigrants back than they are now. have we have we reneged on some agreements? have we? >> do you know, i'm going to answer that for you, henry. now please become please do. it's become an industry lawyers, charities, industry of lawyers, charities, supposedly and supposedly care for calais, and they are literally instructing they are literally instructing the migrants on how how they can evade being sent back, just like most of the most of the public sector in terms of it going downhill. >> this is one of the sectors that has gone down hill as well, at the same speed. and that in terms of in terms of the processing, etc. it's done by the public sector. that's the people work in the public people who work in the public sector. that away, sector. if you take that away, then then there is nothing then then, then there is nothing then then, then there is nothing then these people, to then to process these people, to actually at and get. actually look at them and get. i don't think these particular people to be sitting in people want to be sitting in hotels on or wherever hotels or on ships or wherever they happen that's not they happen to be. that's not their they're their choice, okay? they're coming here. their choice, okay? they're conwell here. their choice, okay? they're conwell hang ere. their choice, okay? they're conwell hang on. no, it is their >> well hang on. no, it is their choice. some of them are making the they realise the choice because they realise it's better choice where it's a better choice than where they are. >> don't want to. they

>> they don't want to. they don't want to where they don't want to stay where they are. they want to be processed or they want escape. if you or they want to escape. if you if looking at the if you're looking at the illegals, they illegals, in which case they should be more quickly should be processed more quickly and back, that's what and sent back, that's what should happening. and sent back, that's what shoild happening. and sent back, that's what shoi think happening. and sent back, that's what shoi think actually,g. very >> i think actually, jim, very has point because i was has a has a point because i was back in 2010. we know that the conservative government cut policing that was policing by 21,000. that was very very very obvious. that was a very pubuc very obvious. that was a very public facing of public public facing kind of public service. police, what was public facing kind of public sen seen police, what was public facing kind of public sen seen wasiolice, what was public facing kind of public sen seen was the e, what was public facing kind of public sen seen was the fact1at was public facing kind of public sen seen was the fact that as public facing kind of public sen seen was the fact that they not seen was the fact that they had equal cuts across the immigration asylum system. had equal cuts across the immnowion asylum system. had equal cuts across the immnow that asylum system. had equal cuts across the imm now that and sylum system. had equal cuts across the immnow that and to .um system. had equal cuts across the immnow that and to be system. had equal cuts across the immnow that and to be fair, :em. had equal cuts across the immnow that and to be fair, atl. and now that and to be fair, at that time, there wasn't the same pressure that there is now 2014. it ramping up. what it started ramping up. what didn't happen was that government not start to government did not start to match that increase in demand . match that increase in demand. immigration in, including immigration coming in, including asylum seekers in the back of trucks, first of all, and then boats didn't match with boats didn't match it with putting resources back into putting the resources back into the then finally the system. and then finally when they've when they did, they've outsourced it to people. the money isn't the training money isn't there. the training standards there. so the standards aren't there. so the people responsible people processing it responsible for making the decisions and enacting the process aren't sufficiently trained or aware of what i think you're no no, i

think you're excusing these people. >> a lot them. there's no >> a lot of them. there's no let's not forget let's not forget. let's not forget the political some these. >> if the will was there, it was because the political motivation we've heard from lot of these, we've heard from a lot of these, we've heard from a lot of these, we've heard from a lot of these, we've heard think it's we've heard from, i think it's mark serwotka is the head of mark serwotka who is the head of the pcs. >> they cover their the >> and they cover their the union that cover all civil union that cover all the civil servants like that. union that cover all the civil serviobviously like that. union that cover all the civil serviobviously people ike that. union that cover all the civil serviobviously people who 1at. union that cover all the civil serviobviously people who are in and obviously people who are in the office and it was a the home office and it was a political motivation, which he actually said they're going political motivation, which he ac'try.ly said they're going political motivation, which he ac'try andaid they're going political motivation, which he ac'try and bring they're going political motivation, which he ac'try and bring thisey're going political motivation, which he ac'try and bring this countrying political motivation, which he ac'try and bring this country to to try and bring this country to a halt by multiple strikes so they the they can get rid of the government. and of government. and that's one of the things he said. so i the things that he said. so i think don't forget the think we don't forget the political motivation. think we don't forget the pol butl motivation. think we don't forget the pol but torotivation. think we don't forget the pol but to solve:ion. think we don't forget the pol but to solve this, let think we don't forget the polbut to solve this, let me >> but to solve this, let me come to jim, jim dale saying there's small there's there's small maybe there's small elements of that. >> and will always be make >> and there will always be make up different, different things that the picture. that make up the big picture. if that make up the big picture. if that well, you're that makes sense. well, you're talking to take you talking about i want to take you back. yeah. well process i think is biggest. but there's is the biggest. but but there's another as well. and that's another one as well. and that's at source why the why at source where why the why these come from where these people come from where they are they come. now some are legitimate example, legitimate for example, i mentioned afghan and mentioned the afghan war and what and the what happened there and the

difficulty getting out difficulty in getting out and those who supported the those people who supported the army others. um, but army and, and others. um, but there you know, there are there are, you know, there are things that we can look at at source, not in the uk source, not not just in the uk but well, look, you but the world. well, look, you can see what goes on in some of the third world in the third world countries in terms the desperate states terms of the desperate states that exist. we have support that exist. we have to support them. no reason and them. so there is no reason and rhyme to necessarily come across. >> no, no, no, listen , i think >> no, no, no, listen, i think you've bought into you're buying into of war and into this sob story of war and all this, this in sense, all this, this in a sense, somewhat almost like a sort of white saviour complex that seems to there to be coming over you. but there are some countries, no, in the third world that you call, and i'm you're talking i'm presuming you're talking about are about parts of africa that are incredibly wealthy you incredibly wealthy. so, you know, this country , know, just like this country, there ports and wealthy there are ports and wealthy bits, you need at least five bits, but you need at least five grand to get across, jim. so where they getting that where are they getting that money then? money from then? >> i agree with what you >> and i agree with what you say, i'm trying what i'm say, nana. i'm trying what i'm trying these are the trying to say is these are the structural problems. want structural problems. if you want to the structural to overcome the structural problems the problems, then you need the political will and the determination and the knowledge as do it. if you don't as to how to do it. if you don't have the political will, then

it's going to happen. it's not going to happen. and that's the problem the government. >> i would say that to you, this i government i don't believe the government have the political will. >> i think there's element of >> i think there's an element of it they kind of want it that they kind of want that cheap they were cheap labour that they were addicted the workers addicted to with the workers from the eu, they're not from the eu, and they're not really considering british really considering the british people. the people. but who's got the answer? isn't the answer? it certainly isn't the labour the have labour party. the tories have had there's only had their chance. there's only one think that might do one party. i think that might do it. but what do you think? gb views gbnews.com or tweet at views gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news. joining me now, jim views gbnews.com or tweet me at gb nand joining me now, jim views gbnews.com or tweet me at gb nand henryg me now, jim views gbnews.com or tweet me at gb nand henry bolton.»w, jim views gbnews.com or tweet me at gb nand henry bolton. you're dale and henry bolton. you're with i'm nana akua. this with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb we the people's gb news. we are the people's channel coming up. should we ever falkland ever negotiate over the falkland islands. but up next, what starmer playing is it smart starmer playing at is it smart for to attack comments made for him to attack comments made by potentially the next president of

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up to 22 minutes after 3:00, right. so labour leader sir keir starmer has verbally attacked former us president donald trump. i don't know how wise that was for criticising nato members there. the leader of the opposition has pledged that he'd stand up for our allies if he were to become prime minister. and this comes after mr trump suggested encourage suggested that he'd encourage russia any nato russia to attack any nato members that failed to spend enough on defence. so that was 2% of their gdp, which was the requirement to be a member of nato. so was sir keir starmer right to take a swipe at donald trump or is he damaging uk, us relations before he's even begun 7 relations before he's even begun .7 well, let's see what henry bolton and also, um, you know, jim dale make of that. i'm going to start with henry bolton because you are well, you know all about border force and stuff like that. and i'm ex—military and you're ex—military. >> i, i actually think >> um, i, i, i actually think that deterrence preventing war and deterring potential aggressors and enemies is all about at conveying the clear

message that it would be eye wateringly and unacceptably painful for them to take us on. and i think anything that undermines that message is undermining deterrence . and in undermining deterrence. and in some cases , therefore making war some cases, therefore making war more likely, not less. and i understand entirely what, uh, donald trump was trying to say. he was trying to say, if you want to defend yourselves, you're going to have to pay for it, because you can't just rely on the united states to back you up, because you know what? it's not fair that we bear the cost, both in treasure and in blood, for protecting you . it's a team for protecting you. it's a team effort, and you need to carry your weight in that. i totally support that. and that's about the 2% of gdp that nato members have pledged to spend . i don't have pledged to spend. i don't think it's enough, by the way, in the present circumstances. but the message. think but i get the message. i think the messaging wrong , though. the messaging was wrong, though. i you know what did was i think you know what he did was he signalled to putin that actually , you know what? i might

actually, you know what? i might not support the dutch or somebody else. >> you say that. >> you say that. >> but after that, half of the members, he's not even the president yet. and half of the members then paid up their 2, so they were ready to pay up. so what was he supposed to do? softly, please, please, softly, softly, please, please, if should. if if you don't pay, he should. if you if you don't pay, he should. if you pay if you don't pay, he should. if you pay an insurance you don't pay an insurance premium, need to know premium, you need to know that when house floods and you when your house floods and you go your insurance company, go to your insurance company, say, but some it say, yeah, but i paid some of it last they'll say, yeah, last month, they'll say, yeah, but you didn't pay this month. so it. and that is reality. >> yeah, but we're trying to prevent war. that's what said. >> that's why i gave an example of insurance premium. >> but the insurance isn't about warfare. no, no, warfare. and it's. no, no, no, forgive me. it's not. it's not an and not the an effective and it's not the right analogy. >> no, i think it is the right. right analogy. >> not i think it is the right. right analogy. >> not because: is the right. right analogy. >> not because whate right. right analogy. >> not because what we ght. right analogy. >> not because what we shouldn't be is that america is the be saying is that america is the insurance this nato insurance company. no, this nato has we all come has worked because we all come into together. into it together. >> not saying that. i'm >> i'm not saying that. i'm saying premium. i'm saying paying your premium. i'm is insurance and america is your insurance and america are not the people that are not the people behind that payment. but payment. everybody is equal, but everybody down. that message, jim dale dale, clash, jim dale jim dale, no clash, no clash. >> henry on this one at all.

well, won't you back. well, i won't bring you back. you're absolutely well. no, you're absolutely correct. you ain't of ain't coming back. get rid of him. who needs him. get rid of him. who needs who needs enemies? when you who who needs enemies? when you got trump? in other got friends like trump? in other words, what's what's what's that? what? other that? no. hang on. what? other than whining about than undermine whining about the premium? so premium, premium? not so much premium, but henry said, it's his but as henry said, it's his language. way he language. it's the way he actually it's almost actually advocates. it's almost like supporting putin. and actually advocates. it's almost linou supporting putin. and actually advocates. it's almost linou go supporting putin. and actually advocates. it's almost linou go back�*rting putin. and actually advocates. it's almost linou go back to 1g putin. and actually advocates. it's almost linou go back to the utin. and actually advocates. it's almost linou go back to the last and if you go back to the last election when he got elected, there a lot talk about there was a lot of talk about support from putin for him and the way that might have happened through social media other through social media and other things. is what kind of things. and this is what kind of happening now. it's almost like payback time to a certain degree. a general degree. there's a general election degree. there's a general electhaven't misunderstood it. >> i haven't misunderstood it. >> i haven't misunderstood it. >> i've not misunderstood >> then. i've not misunderstood or misunderstood it. i understand he's asking understand that that he's asking for, for eu nations. did it work to. well, it's only a few days . to. well, it's only a few days. well, a lot of them were paid up. they didn't do it. didn't it didn't put the countries in the eu. on his side of very favourable. i don't suppose they're in the first place anyway. >> well, whose side are they on? they're not paying their

premium. all in. premium. we're all in. >> we're all in nato together by the ex—military well. >> we're all it together, >> we're all in it together, jim. yeah. why should some of us be 2% and others aren't? be paying 2% and others aren't? it's very irritating that i'm not about not arguing about that. >> point has to >> that that that point has to be made. and it's a fair point to be made as henry said, it's the way is and the the way it is and it's the language that's it's language that's used, and it's almost like pitching us almost like it's pitching us against putin and when i say us, i mean nato. what about the organisation? >> about starmer? >> what about keir starmer? >> what about keir starmer? >> i think he's right to >> was he i think he's right to point it out. it's as simple as that. look, he's now times getting into position where he getting into a position where he looks if will be the next looks as if he will be the next prime minister face that. prime minister let's face that. from elections that have from the by elections that have gone we starting talk gone etc. so we starting to talk more statesmanship like and i think that's that's fair. and when he somebody trump when he sees somebody like trump standing and coming up standing out there and coming up with statements, with outlandish statements, which done, then which is what he's done, then yeah, him out. and yeah, he'll call him out. and i think right to do that. think it's right to do that. >> he's a fool for doing >> i think he's a fool for doing that. he's foolish that. i think he's foolish because actually, what trump did, he was no, did, foolish trump, he was no, what did effective. what trump did was effective. and rule by like that and and if you rule by like that and it's effective, then that's all and if you rule by like that and it's (matters. then that's all

and if you rule by like that and it's (matters. but] that's all and if you rule by like that and it's (matters. but speakingl and if you rule by like that and it's (matters. but speaking of that matters. but speaking of keir this is he. keir starmer, this is he. private schools are blasting labour putting education private schools are blasting la vulnerable tting education private schools are blasting la vulnerable students education private schools are blasting la vulnerable students athation private schools are blasting la vulnerable students at risk.»n of vulnerable students at risk. chief executive of the independent council, independent schools council, juue independent schools council, julie , says that 95,000 julie robinson, says that 95,000 children with special educational needs could be displaced due to labour's tax penalty, and some headteachers are already looking to bolster their finances by attracting more. you guessed it, overseas students and by cutting bursaries and scholarship offers . so is labour's war on private schools the great leveller? sir keir starmer hoped it would be jim dale. yeah as far as i'm concerned, i went to a state school. >> 93% of the population go to a state school and i would prefer the money to go there . we're the money to go there. we're only talking about vat in this case on private schools. they've escaped for a long, long time from the vat trap. it's from the vat trap. and it's about time that got turned around. and that money goes towards majority of towards the vast majority of children this, this children in, in this, this country. that's where it should go. and so pleased that the go. and i'm so pleased that the labour party actually doing labour party are actually doing this. it will work. >> henry bolton will that actually work? >> i well, it work. i mean, what

will the well he will he get the money? well he probably get the money probably he'll get the money from the, the schools. you don't know initially but it know initially initially but it will a lot of them will break a lot of them and a lot schools will close . lot of those schools will close. um, and then what happens to those children? well, the those children? well, that's the state education, which then costs more . so actually, what costs us more. so actually, what the what's happening at the moment is a lot of the special needs schools are indeed privately funded. they're not publicly funded. um and so i just don't see this this this is nothing thing but a political sort of headline that will appear to those people who who want to tax the rich. >> i'm not even sure it's necessarily aimed at the special needs school. i think you'll find there's a labour politician in effects. yeah, well, maybe. but you know what? maybe no , but you know what? maybe no, it's a government. you start to do a little bit of twiddling with the dial and making sure that are going not to be that people are going not to be left out. you know what this is aimed at? think everybody aimed at? i think everybody knows what it's aimed it's knows what it's aimed at. it's aimed harrows aimed at the etons, the harrows and the rest of it that have

and all the rest of it that have escaped right. but the escaped that. right. but the schools boris johnson and schools that boris johnson and co so what they co have gone to, so what they provide effective educations really and yes they do. >> and they also know there are people who are going to then have go into the state have to go into the state system. >> p- p— e look at the cost the >> can we look at the cost the government? can we look at the last 14 years of government and say, that's a success? because i don't say, that's a success? because i dorthat's a different question. >> that's a different question. i'm not talking about i'm not we're not talking about the they came from. >> so it's not a success necessarily. the state system is elitist. >> success. but what we're not talking about the effectiveness of education system writ of the education system writ large, what we're talking about is happens 95,000 is what happens to the 95,000 children are privately, children who are privately, privately educated at the moment. they're to have to moment. they're going to have to go the state how go into the state system. how much that going much is that going to? >> talking about we're not >> we're talking about we're not talking we're talking about eradicating. we're talking about eradicating. we're talking taking talking about adding vat, taking vat sectors and vat from certain sectors and putting into other sectors, putting it into other sectors, swapping around certain swapping it around to a certain degree. schools are run degree. so those schools are run as anyway. degree. so those schools are run as look, anyway. degree. so those schools are run as look, youvay. degree. so those schools are run as look, you know, you're not >> so look, you know, you're not going to accrue enough vat from these schools to be able to fund that number of people in the

state system . it doesn't balance state system. it doesn't balance out and why are we doing it? what is the purpose here? it's going to cost the government more money in the long run to educate the children whose schools a result than schools closed as a result than it than they're to it is than they're going to recoup through vat. and as recoup through the vat. and as those closed, there will those schools closed, there will be vat. so i think, yeah , a be no vat. so i think, yeah, a socialist guessing that you think you're guessing that these schools are all going to close. >> you know, that's almost a scare story. it's the sort of thing that the telegraph and what have you come up with? because they're because that's what they're scared of, that they're to scared of, that they're going to lose of and lose that little mantle of and come me afterwards come back to me afterwards when they say, well, it they do close and say, well, it was a scare, we'll have that. we'll have that conversation. listen to the years time you say that. >> e are the people >> but these are the people complaining are complaining about this are actually in the private actually people in the private school are saying and school system who are saying and they're that of they're saying that a lot of these schools close. these schools might close. that's the point of this. so no, no, no, but some of them may well and their special well have to. and their special education get education needs schools that get caught crossfire of this caught in the crossfire of this and i know as a private schools are a very useful tool. and not

everybody who their child everybody who sends their child to school wealthy. to private school is wealthy. a lot of people giving up lot of people are giving up things do it, and they're things to do it, and they're paying things to do it, and they're paying twice. you just things to do it, and they're payingin,rice. you just things to do it, and they're payingin, welcome you just things to do it, and they're payingin, welcome aboard.;t things to do it, and they're payingin, welcome aboard. it's tuned in, welcome aboard. it's sunny minutes after 3:00. sunny one minutes after 3:00. this is gp on tv, online this is gp news on tv, online and digital radio. this is and on digital radio. this is the up. i'll be the clash coming up. i'll be asking right protest asking if the right to protest has far. after an mps has gone too far. after an mps home was surrounded by pro—palestinian protesters. but first, get latest first, let's get your latest news headlines addison. news headlines with ray addison. >> thanks, nana 331. our top stories. sir keir starmer has called for a permanent ceasefire in gaza during a speech at the scottish labour conference. it's a change to his previous stance of a pause in the fighting , of a pause in the fighting, saying instead the war must stop now. he also said that a two state solution must be back on the table , an end to the the table, an end to the fighting, not just now, not just for a pause, but permanently . for a pause, but permanently. >> a ceasefire that lasts . >> a ceasefire that lasts. >> a ceasefire that lasts. >> it's conference that is what must happen now.

>> the fighting must stop now . >> the fighting must stop now. >> the fighting must stop now. >> now . >> now. >> now. >> well, in the us, the white house has blamed inaction by republicans for russia's capture of another ukrainian city, kyiv ordered the withdrawal of troops from the eastern city of avdiivka yesterday, giving moscow its first major gain since last year. joe biden had warned congress that a shortage of ammunition could see the city fall into russian hands. president putin has called it an important victory . president putin has called it an important victory. he president putin has called it an important victory . he well, two important victory. he well, two people have been charged by police and will appear in court after a probe . palestine after a probe. palestine demonstration in central london yesterday. they were accused of failing to remove a face covering and obstructing a constable. it comes after tens of thousands of protesters marched through the irish, scottish and english capitals in major demonstrations against the war in gaza . the and the king war in gaza. the and the king was seen smiling and waving as

he attended church in sandringham this morning, braving the wet weather, his majesty and the queen clutched umbrellas in their first public outing since prince harry's interview on us television on the duke of sussex, is said to be willing to undertake some royal duties while his father undergoes treatment for cancer. though there's reportedly been no changes to the current arrangements . write for the arrangements. write for the latest stories. sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen right now, or go to gbnews.com. slash alerts back to . nana. alerts back to. nana. >> thank you. coming up after the break, the debate continues. what should we do with the falkland islands .7 but next has falkland islands? but next has the right to protest gone too far

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>> welcome back . if you've just >> welcome back. if you've just tuned in, where have you been .7 tuned in, where have you been? it's fine. welcome aboard. it's gb news. i'm nana akua. we are the people's channel. this is the people's channel. this is the clash now bournemouth east mp tobias ellwood has said democracy is not in a good place , as a pro—palestinian protest took place outside his family home this week. more than 60 people, some holding palestinian flags, gathered outside his house in dorset to call for a ceasefire in gaza . now, mr ceasefire in gaza. now, mr ellwood told gb news you don't expect this sort of behaviour in today's day and age. we need to make sure it does not become the norm. so is the right to protest gone too far? well, so joining me for the clash i've got former ukip leader . and also what is it ukip leader. and also what is it primrose league president of the primrose league president of the primrose league, the primrose league, sir. what the hell of the hell that is. president of the primrose . nobody else primrose league. nobody else does. henry boulton with does. is henry boulton with flowers and also social commentatorjim dale. henry boulton, i'm going to start with you. president of the primrose league . w—w—w dot whatever .

league. w—w—w dot whatever. right. go on. anyway, so has it gone too far? um, well , look, gone too far? um, well, look, it's a difficult one. >> i think it is going too far, but it's always been a problem . but it's always been a problem. the duke of wellington, who beat napoleon at waterloo. he was also later on prime minister of great britain. and he's known as . his nickname was the iron duke because he had to put iron shutters over the windows of his house at number one, london because the crowds were outside throwing things at his windows. and now , uh, in that case, the and now, uh, in that case, the militia were brought in to deal with it. but but it was an ongoing problem. hence the shutters. it it's never going to go away. but i think the police really are absent in this debate. i think the police need to be far more present. it's about their policing of protests. generally. they seem to be cowed , kowtowing to the, to be cowed, kowtowing to the, uh, we could call it the woke brigade, but whether it's just stop oil or whether it's palestinian protesters or whatever, and allowing them to bend actually break bend the rules, actually break the law quite often because the

police don't want to take the issue on. do you think they don't the law? don't know the law? >> i some of them don't >> i think some of them don't know. they haven't clue. know. they haven't got a clue. >> i'm former you remember >> i'm a former you remember that woman outside? >> agree you. you >> i agree with you. do you remember one? that she was remember that one? that she was a community officer but told somebody that play somebody that you can't play christian unless you're christian songs unless you're outside totally christian songs unless you're outsidwith totally christian songs unless you're outsidwith you. totally christian songs unless you're outsidwith you. buttotally christian songs unless you're outsidwith you. but that ly christian songs unless you're outsidwith you. but that almost agree with you. but that almost goes back earlier discussion. >> we were having today. the 20,000 police officers that the conservatives were conservatives brought back. were they didn't bring back the 600 police they closed. police stations. they closed. they bring back they didn't bring back the police training. >> that was disgrace. >> and that was a disgrace. >> and that was a disgrace. >> but so the training >> yeah, but so the training infrastructure as well, the regional centres were regional training centres were not a lot of the not brought back a lot of the training is in civilian training is done in civilian universities the universities outside the institutional framework. a lot of it's through online of it's done through online training it is it's not training modules. it is it's not the training process isn't fit for purpose. jim dale, the right to demonstrate is absolute. >> the right to demonstrate out outside somebody's house. absolutely not. absolutely. >> i agree i actually agree with you, jim dale, that once is that the first time we've ever first

time ever, ever. >> okay. and i'll give you the reason why. why? um, because he's a doesn't matter which he's a it doesn't matter which party, the way, which mp or party, by the way, which mp or which subject it really does not matter. they their matter. um, but they do their business in the house of commons or a lord in the house or if it's a lord in the house of lords. if you're going to of lords. and if you're going to demonstrate there are places in london which can demonstrate london which you can demonstrate in those areas where in and around those areas where you i think it you can go, i think i think it crosses a line whether it's crosses a line and whether it's legal or not, and i'm not sure. and the i say that, yeah, and the reason i say that, yeah, the reason i say that is the laws of demonstration. they've kind of been mixed up. you don't laws of demonstration. they've kind (where| mixed up. you don't laws of demonstration. they've kind (where wherei up. you don't laws of demonstration. they've kind (where where you're)u don't laws of demonstration. they've kind (where where you're where�*t know where where you're where you things, what you are with these things, what you're do against the you're allowed to do against the pubuc you're allowed to do against the public order act cause alarm or distress. >> can i give you an example? all right. if we go with the all right. so if we go with the fact that it's okay for him to do that okay. so let's take it the i decide to go outside one of ex's houses right, with of my ex's houses right, with flags and loud waving and flags and loud music, waving and chanting and saying stuff. i would arrested for would be arrested for harassment. so i don't think there's any difference between me going outside to an ex or somebody who i don't like house

and saying, yeah, i'm protesting against done against something you've done and these protesters outside his house to me is harassment. house that to me is harassment. i agree, and i don't understand why the police seem unclear about should be about that. no one should be protesting outside anyone's house. >> i'd like to see somebody bnng >> i'd like to see somebody bring the police to account on it say, do you do you know it and say, do you do you know the law on this? because there is it is against the public order act or is it that you don't have the facilities to deal i know deal with it? i don't know whether true, nana, but whether this is true, nana, but i'm police officer. still i'm a police officer. i've still got who are in the got colleagues who are in the police and recently left, including the met. i including from the met. and i understand met police understand that the met police only has 137 police detention cells in london. so this is what this about. that's the this is about. if that's the case, then of course they've got a real logistical stroke operational problem in, in in deaung operational problem in, in in dealing with these arrests in a robust way because they could you've got burglars going on all sorts of things. but you know what not have arrest them. >> i would hit them in their pocket okay. say okay. pocket okay. i'd say okay. you're somebody's you're outside. somebody's house. harassment. house. this is harassment. you've of about you've got a fine of about somewhere between 500 £1000. somewhere between 500 to £1000. i in their pocket

i would hit them in their pocket because a lot of seem like because a lot of them seem like they get their identity, they got to get their identity, their redress. >> well, i would guess fight, >> well, i would guess to fight, but don't provide it, but if they don't provide it, well, they have arrest them. well, they have to arrest them. well, and then and well, that's right. and then and then you've got to. well, that's right. and then and the well 've got to. well, that's right. and then and the well then ot to. well, that's right. and then and the well then bill. well, that's right. and then and the well then bill is because you >> well then bill is because you ex police officer, um, it ex police officer, um, is it against be actually against the law to be actually demonstrating outside somebody's house? is actually house? is that actually a physical is physical thing? no, but what is against act is against the public order act is to cause harassment, alarm or distress. >> and for that, it's not in itself an arrestable offence, but the police in but the police officer in uniform can warn individual uniform can warn the individual to behaviour. that's to cease such behaviour. that's causing the harassment, or causing the harassment, alarm or distress . causing the harassment, alarm or distress. um, and then if they don't , then can make an arrest. don't, then can make an arrest. yeah. and so if so i would say to you you continue that to you if, if you continue that behaviour , then i will have to behaviour, then i will have to arrest you. >> the line private public. >> the line is private public. if it's private, it's no, if it's private, then it's no, if it's public then it's. yes. because should all have the because we should all have the right to demonstrate whatever, whatever we're demonstrating on peaceful. not. peaceful. and it's not. >> well, yes, there's that too. but then if you're peaceful or causing or whatever if causing alarm or whatever if because what i think is causing alarm, you might not. the bottom line nobody's be

line is nobody's should be demonstrating anybody's line is nobody's should be demon that's] anybody's line is nobody's should be demon that's a anybody's line is nobody's should be demon that's a targeted nybody's line is nobody's should be demon that's a targeted thingy's house. that's a targeted thing to individual . and you've to an individual. and if you've got group youths, 60 of got a group of youths, 60 of you, is absolute you, that is absolute harassment. i don't why the harassment. i don't get why the police well police alarm people. well i don't why police don't understand why the police thought shouldn't thought that they shouldn't shouldn't some arrests. shouldn't make some arrests. i would i would a list of would i would have a list of arrests and i'd be fining people and them lesson. and i'd teach them a lesson. well, some the well, listen, on some of the subjects we've been talking about abolishing about on james abolishing private schools, james says abolishing is abolishing private schools is just put. extreme just going to be put. extreme pressure they pressure on state schools. they already pressure, already have extreme pressure, as the strikes. it's as proven by the strikes. it's going ruin schools. agreed going to ruin schools. agreed yvonne says schools are yvonne says state schools are full, are full. so to add, that is ridiculous and cause more problems. it's disastrous, spiteful and will cause havoc. john says. why did sir keir starmer take any notice of donald trump with what he said? why didn't he just say that he thinks what he thinks about the issue are not talking about donald trump? yeah you think so. but never does that, does he? but he never does that, does he? he always sort of evades actually giving you a position because then he'll because otherwise then he'll have will commit have to, um, will commit to something. says sir something. and then tim says sir

keir was 100% right to criticise all trump. moreover, trump might be in jail before the election in america in november. i doubt very much, tim, not on trumped up charges are i'm good, aren't i? up charges are i'm good, aren't |7 right? up charges are i'm good, aren't i? right? listen, stay tuned. loads more still to come. this is a gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. you're watching and listening to the clash at 4:00. it's my monologue. but up .

radio. >> good afternoon . it's 47 >> good afternoon. it's 47 minutes after 3:00. if you just tuned in. welcome on board. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. and this is the clash. right. so uh, next up, lord david cameron, lord cameron, it feels a bit . it cameron, it feels a bit. it doesn't work. yeah. lord david cameron has insisted that the falklands islands are a valued part of british family. this comes ahead of the foreign secretary's visit to the south

atlantic this week. he'll be the first cabinet minister to travel to the island since 2016, and argentina president javier moeen ali has called for the islands to be handed over either. but david cameron has said that this is not up for discussion. so should we hand back the falkland islands to argentina? right. well i'm still joined by former ukip leader henry bolton and, uh, the primrose league thing is not written on there. i'm trying to remember a president of the primrose league. primrose. it's the ipp. well, the people and also just plain me and jim dale. plain old jim dale. he's a social war political commentator. and a weather vane. >> okay , the falklands, i'm >> okay, the falklands, i'm going to declare a personal interest, i may, because i've interest, if i may, because i've been there. i was there in 1982, 83, just just after the war, walk in the battlefields. what a place. not the falklands . so place. not the falklands. so much. that was great. see an island, uh, south georgia , which island, uh, south georgia, which belongs in the same regime, if you like. what a place that is as well. um so, yeah, i was

there and look, let's go back in history a little bit because i think we need a little bit of history. the indigenous people of south america took over the falklands in the first instance. all them centuries centuries falklands in the first instance. all tiuh, centuries centuries falklands in the first instance. all tiuh, aboutries centuries falklands in the first instance. all tiuh, about the centuries falklands in the first instance. all tiuh, about the 1800s.1turies falklands in the first instance. all tiuh, about the 1800s. uhies ago. uh, about the 1800s. uh argentina, as such, was then, um, had governorship of the of the falklands and then it was not long too, too long afterwards that britain then took control. and since then, apart from skirmish, the apart from the skirmish, the battles went on, has battles that went on, it has been britain. so so, look, as far as i'm concerned, it was fought for the right reasons. it was an invasion. i might have thought this might come up thought this might have come up with becoming the with merely becoming the argentinian and you argentinian president. and you know, on a on a on know, he's out on a on a on a on a wing somewhere. and this is exactly kind thing that exactly the kind of thing that happens. to the happens. no, it's down to the people the falklands as if people of the falklands as if they wish to remain british, if they wish to remain british, if they wish to remain british, if they wish to remain and have their own governorship, then absolutely. that's what it should apparently the last should be. apparently the last time asked, did . time they were asked, they did. >> so this guy. that's correct, saying that that's what he wants

irrespective they want. saying that that's what he wants irreshenrye they want. saying that that's what he wants irreshenry boulton. they want. saying that that's what he wants irreshenry boulton. yeah want. saying that that's what he wants irrewell,/ boulton. yeah want. saying that that's what he wants irrewell, iboulton. yeah want. saying that that's what he wants irrewell, i thinkin. yeah want. saying that that's what he wants irrewell, i think thereah want. saying that that's what he wants irrewell, i think there british,. >> well, i think there british, uh, they will remain british as far as i'm concerned. and until they wish otherwise. i agree with jim . um, i don't think we with jim. um, i don't think we need to make a song and need to make a big song and dance about i said earlier dance about it. i said earlier in the programme in regard to something else that any potential enemy needs to potential enemy just needs to know without us sending a specific that it will be specific message that it will be eye wateringly unacceptably eye wateringly and unacceptably painful take british painful to take the british forces british forces are forces on the british forces are there british there to protect british territory . and you know my territory. and you know my message. it doesn't need to be sent by the foreign secretary, but, know, more quietly. but, you know, more quietly. look try it. um look just don't try it. um i think it's not not an issue. it's not. we don't need to kowtow to the argentine president's sort of populist rhetoric, because that's what it is. i don't think he has any particular any intention of taking them back militarily or in any other way. um, no. we just leave it to the falkland islanders. maybe if they said they wanted to be british, maybe there's a degree of, um, economics in this because, um, oil.

>> i'll mention the word. i hate it, but it it's there. and look, you hate . no, no, no, i don't you hate. no, no, no, i don't want to. i don't want to go into climate and weather today, but i'm just just just making the point. i know, well, i'll point. yeah. i know, well, i'll eat it for different reason. eat it for a different reason. i know those those islands are pristine. they're absolutely pristine. they're absolutely pristine. ever the pristine. if you ever get the chance to down 8000 miles chance to go down 8000 miles away and look at the, away and, and even look at the, the sky because you see you the sky because you can see you can all the stars for once, can see all the stars for once, it's not polluted in any shape or form. the seas are crystal clear. thing you want clear. the last thing you want there what's of there is, is what's kind of destroying the world at this moment in time, in terms of the heat the pollution that goes heat and the pollution that goes on. you do not want oil slicks or an accident down there that will destroy the wildlife in any shape and was there will destroy the wildlife in any shape sir and was there will destroy the wildlife in any shape sir davidlnd was there will destroy the wildlife in any shape sir david attenborough.e before sir david attenborough. so are bringing that up, though? >> i'm not quite sure, because the relevance of it is it could well be. >> henry's just said, what's the reason? reason. reason? it's a populist reason. but but sometimes there's an economic oil economic reason and there is oil and in seas in and and gas in those seas in and around that area. >> think there is no doubt >> i think there is no doubt that there be some economic

that there will be some economic reasons why. strategic reasons why. and a strategic reasons why. and a strategic reason people the easy reason why people think the easy answer is no, no, no. >> i mean, you know, we shouldn't know. that's the end of underline of the story. underline exclamation of the story. underline exclam not1 problem . >> it's not a problem. >> it's not a problem. >> well, listen, i want to bring you to this email that was sent to me robert. robert, to me by robert. robert, thank you said. and this you very much. he said. and this is with regard to illegal migration. said bill migration. he said the bill introduced parliament on the introduced to parliament on the 7th of march, will mean 7th of march, 2023, will mean that anyone who enters uk that anyone who enters the uk illegally through illegally and who passed through the country, will be the safe country, will be legally be removed, the safe country, will be legathe be removed, the safe country, will be legathe home be removed, the safe country, will be legathe home secretary moved, the safe country, will be legathe home secretary willed, the safe country, will be legathe home secretary will have and the home secretary will have the power to enforce this. is that true? >> there are no, sadly , that's >> there are no, sadly, that's that's that that's what the bill sort of says. but there are all sorts of caveats to that as well . so, um , there's other . so, um, there's other legislation that says that they've got all sorts of rights to, to, to to, appeal against that and so on. that's the problem here that we have and that you earlier said, nana that you believe. and i think you're entirely right that a whole industry, a legal industry has grown up around this, and there are still a multiple ways that

you can appeal against any sort of removal. and that's what we've got to close the loop on. the government. every time they pass a piece of legislation, they leave too many gaps in it. and i just don't understand why that is. heard that the that is. i've heard that the home office lawyers themselves are insisting that certain holes are insisting that certain holes are placed in there, but i think ministers are overwhelmed by it. i should yeah, the simple answer is that's how it was presented to the public. that's not how it is in reality, sadly. yeah. >> and do you know what i'm just saying i don't know. and do you know what? probably 90% of the people watching this programme don't know either. and that is the problem. there is no clarity. a mess . and that's clarity. it's a mess. and that's why we find ourselves in the problem that we're in at this moment in time. well, one of the reasons, well, my thoughts are stop them coming stop the boats, stop them coming in place. in the first place. >> that requires some level >> but that requires some level of diplomacy. would of diplomacy. but also i would say that would use i would use say that i would use i would use my would use the army.

my army, i would use the army. i'd have the channel patrol properly. >> are ways of doing this. >> there are ways of doing this. >> there are ways of doing this. >> and i would operationally a border force there there border force there are there are, there definite, are, there are very definite, proven ways of doing this. >> government >> the government is not listening. the government is choosing the course choosing to go down the course of rwanda , which is a red herring. >> listen, it might be. hang on, i would agree. listen, it might be a red herring, but it's the only herring. and right now nobody any other herring. so nobody has any other herring. so unless do better, unless somebody can do better, i'd see work i'd like to see that one work first, because the same things that scuppering are that are scuppering it are the very things that scupper every single attempt remove illegal single attempt to remove illegal migrants. you tuned migrants. but if you just tuned in 3:00, nana in 54 minutes after 3:00, nana akua to come . i've got akua still to come. i've got lots more debate for you, including the including would the conservatives off with conservatives be better off with a who is more a leader who is more conservative? and don't forget my monologue that is on the way. we're talking about chestfeeding and how apparently a report is saying that chest milk is just as good as breast milk. i don't think so . think so. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers is sponsors of

whether on . gb news. whether on. gb news. >> hello, i'm marco petagna . >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we hold on to unsettled weather across the uk over the next few days, all seeing some rain at times mild for the times but staying mild for the times but staying mild for the time being at this weather time being at least this weather fronts outbreaks of rain fronts pushed outbreaks of rain away south—east away from the south—east of england the course of the england during the course of the afternoon. so we've ridge afternoon. so we've got a ridge of pressure building of high pressure building in from things from the west quietly things down overnight period, down for the overnight period, but gathering out but further rains gathering out towards west and that will towards the west and that will move in across far move in across the far north—west we head north—west of the uk as we head into the overnight period. elsewhere though, showers will tend the tend to ease through the evening. lots of clear evening. we'll see lots of clear weather quite weather sending quite misty though patches though with some fog patches across parts wales the across parts of wales and the south—west during the south—west of england during the early moving on from early hours. for moving on from that band, we'll see that rain band, we'll see showers blustery showers turning quite blustery there the far north—west there towards the far north—west by a mild by the morning. quite a mild night. temperatures or night. temperatures down to 4 or 5 degrees rural parts of 5 degrees across rural parts of scotland, elsewhere holding scotland, but elsewhere holding up high figures as up in the high single figures as for outbreaks of for monday, well, outbreaks of rain journey rain continue their journey south across england

south eastwards across england and wales, weakening all the while giving some rain while so giving some patchy rain across southeast into across the far southeast into the elsewhere, it's the afternoon. elsewhere, it's a day sunshine with few day of sunshine with a few showers showers showers around those showers quite the north quite blustery towards the north and scotland, once and west of scotland, but once again day for the again it's a mild day for the time of year. temperatures mostly in double or mostly in double figures, 9 or 10 degrees at best. in the north, up to 13 14 celsius north, up to 13 or 14 celsius down south—east as down towards the south—east as for tuesday, we'll further wet and move in and windy weather will move in across of uk across the northwest of the uk towards the south and east, though quieter picture, a though it's a quieter picture, a bit but of bit breezy but plenty of sunshine and staying sunshine around and staying quite time of year. quite mild for the time of year. outbreaks of rain move their way south eastwards later on tuesday and stays and it then stays quite unsettled on wednesday and thursday, colder thursday, but turning colder towards the north later. >> that warm inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news .

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welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. it's 4:00. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours me and my panel, we'll be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this is all right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours . be debating, discussing . we'll be debating, discussing and we disagree. and at times we will disagree. but one will be cancelled . so but no one will be cancelled. so joining me today, it's broadcast from journalist danny kelly and also broadcast on author christine hamilton. before we get started, let's get your latest news with ray addison . latest news with ray addison. >> jess nana. it's 4:00. our top stories . sir keir starmer has stories. sir keir starmer has called for a permanent ceasefire in gaza during a speech at the scottish labour conference it's a change to his previous stance of a pause in the fighting, saying instead that the war must stop now. but sir keir says the ceasefire can't be one sided. he's calling on the hamas terror group to release all of its remaining hostages. he also said

that a two state solution must be back on the table , an end to be back on the table, an end to the fighting, not just now and not just for a pause , but permanently. >> a ceasefire that lasts . >> a ceasefire that lasts. >> a ceasefire that lasts. >> conference. >> conference. >> that is what must happen now. >> that is what must happen now. >> the fighting must stop now . >> the fighting must stop now. >> the fighting must stop now. >> now . in the >> the fighting must stop now. >> now. in the us, >> the fighting must stop now. >> now . in the us, president >> now. in the us, president biden has assured ukraine that military aid will be delivered. >> that's despite delays that he blamed on republicans. the white house says that inaction by the gop allowed russia to capture the eastern city of avdiivka yesterday comes as some republicans cast doubt on the us's future support for ukraine, after donald trump said that he'd let russia attack any member that doesn't meet its spending targets . under nato spending targets. under nato guidelines, countries must spend 2% of their gdp to fund the alliance. but speaking at the munich security conference,

republican senator jd vance said europe must get used to the idea of the us being less involved in the region and look the best way to help ukraine. >> i think from a european perspective, is for europe to become more self—sufficient. vladimir course , in vladimir putin is, of course, in the geopolitical backyard of europe, states, as it europe, the united states, as it focuses on east asia, focuses more on east asia, simply expected to foot simply can't be expected to foot a disproportionate share of the burden russia authorities have been accused of doing everything they can to avoid handing over mr navalny's body to his family. >> yesterday , the 69 year old >> yesterday, the 69 year old mother of vladimir putin's most vocal critic visited the remote penal colony where he died. she says she was told his body had been taken to a nearby morgue. but when she arrived, it was closed. meanwhile in london, tributes are continuing today at the russian embassy as people gather outside to lay flowers and messages for alexei navalny, his spokespeople claim his death was orchestrated by or

orchestrated rather murder by the russian president. that's been rejected by the kremlin . been rejected by the kremlin. well, two people have been charged by police and will appearin charged by police and will appear in court after a pro—palestine demonstration in central london yesterday , 34 central london yesterday, 34 year old lucia whittaker de abreu has been charged with failing to remove a face covering 48 year old martin prady is accused of obstructing a police constable. it comes after tens of thousands of protesters marched through the irish, scottish and english capitals in major demonstrations against the war in gaza . two against the war in gaza. two ministers have written to police chiefs to express concerns over the safety of politicians amid increased protests . security increased protests. security minister tom tugendhat and policing minister chris philp took the unusual step after pro—palestinian activists gathered outside the home of tory mp tobias ellwood. it comes as reports in the daily mail suggest that just stop oil

activists are planning to occupy the homes of mps with one protester reportedly telling a journalist that the group is ready to, quote, look a bit loony . the king was seen smiling loony. the king was seen smiling and waving as he attended church in sandringham this morning. braving the wet weather is majesty and the queen clutched umbrellas in their first public outing since prince harry's interview on us breakfast television. the duke of sussex is said to be willing to undertake some royal duties while his father undergoes treatment for cancer , though treatment for cancer, though there's reportedly been no change to current arrangements . change to current arrangements. and britain's brightest stars are putting on their sunday best ahead of the baftas tonight, the nuclear bomb epic oppenheimer is leading the pack with 13 nominations, including best film. elsewhere, the crown star claire foy is up for best supporting actress for her role in the heartfelt drama all of us strangers. her co—star paul

mescal is also up for a gong, though the film's lead, andrew scott, was notably snubbed. sophie ellis—bextor will perform her 2001 hit murder on the dance floor after it re—entered the charts thanks to a much talked about scene in the film saltburn, which is also up for five awards for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts now back to . nana. >> thank you ray. it's fast approaching six minutes after 4:00. this is gb news on tv onune 4:00. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . here we go again. nana akua. here we go again. another attempt to marginalise women in what can only be described in my view , as an described in my view, as an absurd assessment . according to absurd assessment. according to an nhs trust, breast milk or chest milk really produced by

trans women . so basically men, trans women. so basically men, it's as good for babies as that produced by a mother who's given birth . what a leaked letter from birth. what a leaked letter from the medical director of university of sussex nhs trust . university of sussex nhs trust. in order not to discriminate , in order not to discriminate, described both the both of them as human milk. now the trust said that the milk produced by trans women, after taking a combination of drugs is comparable. i presume in a good way to that produced following the birth of a baby . don't make the birth of a baby. don't make me laugh . on what planet can me laugh. on what planet can that possibly be true? let's ignore if you will, the fact that a trans woman is a biological man. and let's just focus on the numerous drugs taken by this person a to stabilise their condition, and b to enable the level of production of milk required. phd.so production of milk required. phd. so let's look at point b so to enable the creation of milk, a combination of drugs as given to a man to firstly grow the breast tissue capable of lactation , which include lactation, which include testosterone suppressants and oestrogen and progesterone , then

oestrogen and progesterone, then domperidone or metoclopramide are given to stimulate lactation in low doses. these drugs are used to avert nausea, but in high doses they can bring on lactation and at such levels one of them can also cause heart arrhythmias. what's going on here? even if this person were a biological woman, any medication taken when pregnant is scrutinised heavily to ensure that it doesn't cross the placenta. and when breastfeeding, the traces of it don't end up in the milk itself. so why on earth take such a risk when there is little or no information on the long terme effect of this to the recipient of a newborn baby .7 and there is of a newborn baby? and there is no real need to do this anyway, is it even safe? the nhs trust point to a five month scientific study in 2022, which measured testosterone levels on chest milk , which found no observable milk, which found no observable side effects. but the study didn't really go far enough to evaluate the long terme effect

or assess what was actually in the milk . and as this is the milk. and as this is a relatively new phenomenon , relatively new phenomenon, little else is known . why is little else is known. why is this even necessary .7 the answer this even necessary? the answer is it isn't. there are plenty of safe and tested alternatives available . instead, this is available. instead, this is about satisfying someone's fantasy of breastfeeding , and fantasy of breastfeeding, and certainly, in my view, isn't in the interest of the child. rosie duffield said. babies cannot be used as guinea pigs for someone else's lifestyle choice . when else's lifestyle choice. when a man has not and cannot grow a baby, why are we pandering to this? who does it benefit? not the children. we wouldn't do any other medical experiments on babies breast milk made by a baby's biological mother is tailor made for that baby. exact de milly hill, author of the positive birth book, went further . she positive birth book, went further. she said breastfeeding is not about the experience of the person doing the feeding. it is about nourishing and nurturing a baby. she went on to say no newborn should be used as

a prop to affirm an adult's identity as female . but then identity as female. but then university hospital sussex trust is a member of stonewall's diversity champions programme , diversity champions programme, and they admitted that the policy was taken from external organisations in a statement, the trust said the trust takes the trust said the trust takes the wellbeing and safeguarding of children very seriously . of children very seriously. well, if that's true , why are well, if that's true, why are you prepared? in the words of rosie duffield, to use newborn babies as guinea pigs. rosie duffield, to use newborn babies as guinea pigs . so before babies as guinea pigs. so before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, would the conservatives be better off with a leader who is, well, conservative, who could replace rishi sunak to stop this terminal decline in their election fortunes? afterwards, we'll open that up to the great british voice who today is coming from kidderminster. then at 450 it's world view. we'll be

crossing live to los angeles to speak to the host of the politics people podcast. paul duddridge, going duddridge, on all what's going on in the states. then at five, it's this outside . my it's this week's outside. my mystery is an award mystery guest is an award winning chef with restaurants across london. ian. but i'm not going to tell you who it is. who do you think it is? you can guess now, but not many clues. but that's coming up in the next houh but that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gb views gbnews.com or tweet @gbnews. all right, tweet me @gbnews. all right, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel bruce caster and journalist danny kelly. and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. right. i'm gonna start with you, danny. wow wow. what a treat . chestfeeding wow. what a treat. chestfeeding i said this article this morning, and at first i wondered whether it was a scientific breakthrough. >> and i thought, this is i was looking at it, i did i was looking at it, i did i was looking at it, i did i was looking at an april fool. >> i was looking at it objectively, thinking, okay, so this is a scientific

breakthrough. >> can basically lactate >> a bloke can basically lactate and i and produce milk. and then i thought, well, hang on, this is unnatural. almost turning unnatural. it's almost turning into mary shelley's frankenstein, . science is frankenstein, almost. science is almost turning into a movie . almost turning into a movie. >> and the fact that they are giving people medical supplements the word there supplements and the word there that was so pertinent was never necessary. >> this is not necessary . there >> this is not necessary. there are plenty of off the shelf formulas that people can purchase, and the world health organisation will, quite understandably say breast is best. >> @- e all of that, but we're >> i get all of that, but we're talking about someone who was born and all intents born a man and for all intents and purposes, is a man. now >> yes, they can go through whatever reassignment. whatever gender reassignment. >> all of that and >> i get all of that and i respect them. >> that's journey. >> that's their journey. >> that's their journey. >> it not necessary. >> but it is not necessary. >> but it is not necessary. >> and when you actually look at the chemicals that they are feeding themselves, feeding into themselves, throwing gullets throwing down their gullets in order and the order to lactate and the possible, why are you making me smile .7 smile? >> you point down their gullet, you really do. you really do. >> but this is the this is the in a nutshell. >> and you know, it's not necessary , is it? necessary, is it?

>> it's that's the thing. >> it's that's the thing. >> if it was necessary, it's a scientific breakthrough. but i could go to marks and spencer's and buy some baby formula. >> i'm a bloke. i don't need to lactate the thing is, it is a natural thing. >> so men that can lactate and sometimes they. but. but in very small quantities. and they don't have breast tissue it have the breast tissue to do it like a woman. so they need to take all these chemicals and hormones to make that happen. some women sometimes some some women sometimes take some chemicals to encourage the lactation, is top of lactation, but this is on top of someone they are someone who, if they are identifying trans, may well identifying as trans, may well be taking other drugs to stabilise condition as stabilise that condition as well. christine, um , the whole well. christine, um, the whole thing is just horrifying from start to finish and it's just more woke . more woke. >> kyrie. >> kyrie. >> it's not necessary . >> it's not necessary. >> it's not necessary. >> yes, breast milk is best for babies. we all know that. but please of babies grow up without being able to be breastfed for one reason or another. one reason or another. >> one reason or another. >> the women die in childbirth for god's sake. there are plenty of babies who do not have the advantage. if it is an advantage of breastfeeding, we just don't need this. is why? what is

need this. it is why? what is the point .7 what is this health the point? what is this health authority seeking to do? they're just seeking to push wokeism in our faces. they really are. it's just it's so unnecessary. it's so unnatural . and exactly it is so unnatural. and exactly it is so unnatural. and exactly it is so new that we have no idea what might happen down the line for babies who are chest fed. >> i think it's you know, and what they were trying to do is classify both of them as human milk because they are, but not differentiate. just you differentiate. so it is just you could end up with, you know, we're going down such a dangerous and ghastly path. >> i mean, goodness knows where all this is going to end. if normal, sensible people don't stand up and say enough. >> but there are plenty of drugs that have been produced for one illness or one condition that have found to have different side effects. >> for example, bald men >> for example, uh, bald men around the will have taken around the world will have taken these tablets that were, i think, designed for heart. >> you know about >> really? how do you know about that, >> really? how do you know about tha how we know? >> how do we know? >> how do we know? >> i was losing my hair, 25 >> when i was losing my hair, 25 years ago, the case study when i wasn't a study. wasn't a case study.

>> he's asking for a friend. >> he's asking for a friend. >> there loads of >> no, but there were loads of these loads of these these drugs, loads of these tablets you could take that tablets that you could take that were for example, were just viagra, for example, was for heart, uh, for was designed for heart, uh, for high blood pressure. >> okay. so people with high blood taking >> okay. so people with high blood and, taking >> okay. so people with high blood and, at taking >> okay. so people with high blood and, at night1g >> okay. so people with high blood and, at night time, viagra and, and at night time, they understood how had a they understood how to had a rather interesting effect on, on their libido. >> example. >> for example. >> for example. >> that's an established >> so that's an established drug. >> so that's an established dru now the baldness, >> now it's the baldness, a bald, impotent who happened bald, impotent guy who happened to that's to come off. yes. but that's that's i'm being fairto to come off. yes. but that's that's i'm being fair to the that's so i'm being fair to the pharmaceutical companies , even pharmaceutical companies, even though they've said it's not necessary to withdraw that you didn't. >> lots and lots of drugs that are established off the shelf prescribed by your doctor were once for something else. >> yes, but but viagra what it? >> it.7 >> my it? >> my point is, is that we shouldn't necessarily dismiss it >> my point is, is that we sho ofin't necessarily dismiss it >> my point is, is that we sho of handecessarily dismiss it >> my point is, is that we sho of hand because. dismiss it >> my point is, is that we sho of hand because. becauset out of hand because. because although it's designed for although it's not designed for this, talking about the fact this, i'm talking about the fact that long time study that there is no long time study that there is no long time study that says that the effect of this so—called chest milk on a newborn . newborn. >> so on in life, whether >> so later on in life, whether that adverse that might have some adverse effect don't know about. effect that we don't know about. so take the on it? so why take the risk on it? >> well, it's not necessarily you shouldn't not necessarily. >> viagra enables men to

>> i mean, viagra enables men to do are by logically do what they are by logically supposed to be able to do anyway. it helps men when you anyway. so it helps men when you know it isn't making them, enabung know it isn't making them, enabling them to do something which they were not born to do. which is what this business of. although trans men producing chest milk, they were not born to produce milk and it's obscene. well, men can produce milk, but you know and a man can do that, but not at a large quantities required to sustain child. >> so this is enabling it to happen more. and it's also this is a vanity project. it's a it's a vanity thing. of course it is essential. >> it's not essential it working. it's not vanity. it's wokeism. well you will put a fine and accept this. >> in my view, there's a level of fetishism towards really. well, i think so as well because you know why? why would you need to that know that you to do that if you know that you can get milk in other forms and there's element of to there's an element of risk to it, the newborn baby, why it, to the newborn baby, why would that? i, as would you do that? i, as a mother would never do that. if there was an alternative that had literally no risk. so, you know, don't there's

know, i don't think there's any associated that associated risk with milk that is baby from, you is given to a baby from, you know, lots of babies have to survive on formula milk because for one reason or another. >> then that's got >> exactly. so then that's got a long terme. >> historical, analysis. >> historical, um, analysis. so we know already this is we know already that this is relatively safe for babies, but this is ludicrous. >> what's a man going to do using that? what's. i'm sorry. well, the whole thing makes me so angry. what is a man going to do if he's got from their perspective from from a trans woman's perspective? >> bloke who identifies >> so a bloke who now identifies what does is fulfil his what that does is fulfil his i can't really call them her. i'm so sorry. that's fulfilling his lifetime ambition to be a whatever it is. is it a fantasy, though? >> is it a fantasy? >> is it a fantasy? >> it's not like something in your mind you want to imagine yourself breastfeeding and this and that. >> who's who's benefiting, who's benefiting . it's not the baby on benefiting. it's not the baby on this and that's my worry. >> it's not something that health trust should be promoting. view. if some promoting. in my view. if some man to do that's up to him. >> but the baby. are we concerned about the baby? we don't know the results and the

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had to say. so who do you think then? >> um, who do i think .7 i mean, >> um, who do i think? i mean, i'm happy with pretty suella. >> i mean, i'm bringing back boris, to be honest with you. he's still. yeah. i mean, um , he's still. yeah. i mean, um, i'd want him to clearly ditch him at zara stuff, but when i'm campaigning thing, um, is still so positively strong. >> response on the doorstep. >> response on the doorstep. >> i mean , well, this comes as >> i mean, well, this comes as many angry tory members inundate i >> -- >> did the bring back boris campaign with messages of support following the wellingborough and kingswood by—election defeats. reform uk honorary president gb news presenter nigel farage has even said that he believes conservative members would choose him to be the next leader. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking , debate this hour, i'm asking, well, he would say that, wouldn't he? could a more conservative leader. they'd probably . could a more probably choose me. could a more conservative the conservative leader save the tories? joining to tories? well, joining me to debate is political debate this is political commentator quirk, commentator russell quirk, social dale, social commentator jim dale, conservative peer lord moylan and former leader of ukip henry bolton. that's the wrong box. it

should be a star box. the should be a star box. i'm the biggest right, right, biggest box. er, right, right, right. i'm going to start with you, because i was you, lord moylan, because i was reading said in the reading what you said in the daily telegraph. if you could elaborate said. elaborate on what you said. >> i'm, there's a poll out >> well, i'm, there's a poll out today which indicates as so many polls do, that you could conceivably see a path to victory if you had a new leader of the party and new, more conservative policies and all i was saying in the telegraph today is i don't think that today is that i don't think that at this stage that is a realistic way forward. >> um, unless rishi sunak decided voluntarily to give up being prime minister, the mechanism for a change of leadership is just too lengthy and too elaborate, and it's still also the case that there's a large number of mps. i'll put it another there's no real it another way. there's no real agreement within the conservative in the house conservative party in the house of commons. uh on, on on a new set of policies. >> so it's you can't just switch to a whole new set of policies if, if many of your mps don't want to move in that direction. >> so that second leg is pretty unrealistic as well.

>> so i was saying really probably way of probably the best way of addressing now is to bring addressing this now is to bring the election forward, because i don't getting any better, really. >> it's interesting because dame andrew jenkins suggested that actually have actually we could have a leadership contest. the leadership contest. i said the six between, she said, six weeks in between, she said, it's not that long. we could do that get a that quickly and get a new leader there's any hope. so leader if there's any hope. so just say went along that just say they went along that track a new leader. let's give an example of suella braverman very moreland, an example of suella braverman verythink moreland, an example of suella braverman verythink that moreland, an example of suella braverman verythink that that oreland, an example of suella braverman verythink that that thatind, an example of suella braverman verythink that that that could you think that that that could help their fortunes? yeah >> think one of the >> well, i think one of the other problems mean, other problems is, i mean, i think suella would very think suella would be a very fine leader party, but fine leader of the party, but and are others as well. and there are others as well. but think of the problems but i think one of the problems is that we've got this additional difficulty that lot additional difficulty that a lot of electorate have just of the electorate have just stopped the stopped listening to the conservative they're conservative party and they're not persuaded, you know, not really persuaded, you know, oh, got some new oh, you've got some new policies, the policies, you know, pull the other they're really other one. um they're not really that a new that interested. and a new leader. i think people, you know, have stopped listening in a that's the that's of a way. that's the that's one of the problems. >> russell what you think? >> yeah . look, we are >> yeah. look, we are potentially ten months away from a election, so the a general election, so the election be called by

election needs to be called by january 2025. um, and look, we used to say that a week is a long time in politics, let alone ten months. and frankly, the conservative party have absolutely nothing to lose . uh, absolutely nothing to lose. uh, but to replace rishi sunak. and frankly, you know, given the results on thursday in two by elections , with another one just elections, with another one just around the corner , a lot of around the corner, a lot of leaders have been replaced just for, you know, far less indiscretion politically than rishi sunak brought us to on thursday . thursday. >> um, i do think that given that the latest poll that i saw said that something like 25% of people that voted conservative in 2019 will vote conservative again at the next election, in other words, 75% of conservative voters that voted in 2019 will not vote conservative if the conservative party have nothing to lose. >> i'm personally because i really fear a labour government, a keir starmer administration because, well, look, we all know those of us in the centre and on

the centre right. how that's going to end up in 3 to 4 years time. uh, you know, to save us from that fate and for an even worse economy, uh, even worse position when it comes to not protecting our borders, crime, identity politics, uh , high identity politics, uh, high taxation on, i think taxation and so on, i think rather going into an rather than going into an election, uh, certainly now , and election, uh, certainly now, and us as a party facing armageddon and then hoping for the best over the next five years, we're then it all gets back to normal and, uh, there's a kind of cleansing with a new leader. we do have and do still have time. and actually, i agree with the suella braverman point. but also, not forget, lord also, let's not forget, lord david lord david frost, i david frost. lord david frost, i think, is the man that should be prime minister of this country with boris johnson. >> yeah, well, what about but but that's great. but what about the whilst they're doing the people whilst they're doing the people whilst they're doing the jim dale yeah. >> the question will the >> the question is will the tories do better or with a more conservative leader if, if, if that means going further to the right, be this right, they'll be through this wall canal. to be wall and in the canal. to be frank you. because frank with you. um, because because basically when you as far as general elections are

concerned, um , anybody is on the concerned, um, anybody is on the fringe of politics and i would include extreme right as being on the fringe or the extreme left as being on the fringe. you don't get elected. it's as simple as that. so if they're going to shift from sunak, who simple as that. so if they're gcpretty shift from sunak, who simple as that. so if they're gcpretty farft from sunak, who simple as that. so if they're gcpretty far right�*n sunak, who simple as that. so if they're gcpretty far right anyway 1, who simple as that. so if they're gcpretty far right anyway away is pretty far right anyway away and further, right, then and go even further, right, then that's just going to send them even further into oblivion. let's let's be very, let's face it. let's be very, very it. sunak is very simple about it. sunak is sunk with or without him. the tories are sunk. simple. yeah, it's true. >> if you take the a out of there then he is. yeah. he's actually sunk . actually sunk. >> you noticed. yeah. >> you noticed. yeah. >> revolted. >> revolted. >> yeah i agree with lord moynan in terms of the practicality. his the logistics of changing leader . the his the logistics of changing leader. the time is very, very short. but think at the short. um, but i think at the same time, if you are heading towards an iceberg at full steam ahead and the captain refused to change course, then what do you do? you just sort of prepare the lifeboats or you try to move the captain aside and change course ? captain aside and change course? i would do the latter. well, i'd probably do both, actually, but

i think there is time. but then we've also got to have a leader who can unite . the conservative who can unite. the conservative party if it's going to work, a leader who is going to, who is going to have to have a plan ready to go on day one, and not just simply be able to tell the electorate, look, know, electorate, look, you know, this is these the new policies or is these are the new policies or this is the new plan, but actually demonstrate within days actually demonstrate within days a engagement on a determined engagement on implementing . implementing. >> yeah, but but then then it's possible. >> but at the moment i think the conservatives are on, on course >> but at the moment i think the co an rvatives are on, on course >> but at the moment i think the co an absoluteire on, on course >> but at the moment i think the co an absolute decimation. urse >> but at the moment i think the co an absolute decimation. and to an absolute decimation. and we'll end up with a labour government which i fear. >> well, a lot people are >> um, well, a lot of people are fearing i mean, lord fearing that. i mean, lord moylan, you you do you moylan, do you do you do you think i mean, you think that there i mean, you suggested different do suggested a different leader. do you think there's any modicum of hope tory is hope for the tory party? is there they can do? there anything they can do? well, always, because well, there's always, because we're suggesting more conservative leader. >> that's difference . >> that's that's the difference. >> that's that's the difference. >> actually suggesting >> i'm not actually suggesting changing because don't changing leader, because i don't actually time to actually think there's time to do implement it and do in do it, implement it and do it in a that's credible to the a way that's credible to the

voters. the real voters. that's the real difficulty we face. >> but what i am, um, but i, i do think . there is always hope do think. there is always hope of course, hope should never be abandoned . and it is possible abandoned. and it is possible that things will get better on the economic front. that the boats will stop that inflation and cost of living will come down, and so on. but i don't see the signs really of that happening in in a way that is going to carry people going to carry enough people with us, uh, to, to make a huge difference. but it's possible that we could have a better outcome in a few months down the road than we would if we were going today. >> but then it's also possible things are going to get worse and people are rolling off fixed rate mortgages, example, and rate mortgages, for example, and seeing payments rate mortgages, for example, and se(up| payments rate mortgages, for example, and se(up , payments rate mortgages, for example, and se(up , there'd payments rate mortgages, for example, and se(up , there'd be payments rate mortgages, for example, and se(up , there'd be more ayments rate mortgages, for example, and se(up , there'd be more peoples go up, there'd be more people doing that. that will add to the cost crisis, and we cost of living crisis, and we don't what's going to don't know what's going to happen boats we're happen with boats because we're not if the summer not in charge. and if the summer weather is placid and the seas are who knows how are flat, who knows how many might across? um, we we're might come across? um, we we're not in charge of that. well what i was reading here is tory peer.

>> lord moylan in the telegraph. i the party had i said, said the party had a possible path to victory if it got rid of mr sunak. i'm quoting the poll there. >> so you're quoting slightly mangled by the. >> but i think that's what the poll today shows. but then i went to that that is if went on to say that that is if that the path to victory, that is the path to victory, there are considerable difficulty involved with both parts of it. >> mhm. but jim, do. >> mhm, mhm. but jim, do. >> mhm, mhm. but jim, do. >> yeah. when you look at things that work and don't work, you sometimes brand, the sometimes look at the brand, the conservative brand is destroyed . conservative brand is destroyed. thatis conservative brand is destroyed. that is the problem. it's been destroyed uh in destroyed from within. uh in terms of what they've done and what they've not done. and when you a brand that's not just you have a brand that's not just tarnished, but but in wrecks, you going you ain't you ain't going to you ain't going back at that. going to come back at that. that's, that's just to that's, that's just going to that's polls are more or that's why the polls are more or less as they are. that's less stayed as they are. that's why you've the by elections why you've seen the by elections result that you've this result that you've seen this week. there's rescue week. and there's no rescue party um, are not going party reform, um, are not going to be the next government in any shape they'll come shape or form. they'll come probably fourth, not even third. so there's only 111 way, one direction. and that is bring on

a general election and you will see change of government. all see a change of government. all right. see a change of government. all rigiwell not okay. well it's >> well it's not okay. well it's not going you all finally not going to ask you all finally then, um, so will a potential change. we know the change. i think we know the answer a more conservative answer could a more conservative leader save the tories? russell quirk, no? quirk, yes or no? >> can i just quickly >> yes. can i just quickly correct though saying correct jim, though jim's saying that far right is that rishi sunak is far right is absolutely . not absolutely unbelievable. not only is it insulting, it's just simply not right. i don't think he said no, i didn't. did he said no, i didn't. what did you didn't i said to the you say? didn't i said to the right party the problem with the conservative is that conservative party is that it has too left. it actually has gone too left. it actually needs to the manifesto needs to fulfil the manifesto pledges might pledges of 2019. then it might get so, so very briefly then. >> more conservative leader >> so a more conservative leader , could a more conservative leader save tories? or leader save the tories? yes or no ? russell yes. yes, jim. yes no? russell yes. yes, jim. yes or no? >> not a chance. >> not a chance. >> not a chance. >> not more than yes or no. uh, possibly. >> it could be done by magic, where you just pull a curtain and you have a new. and all of a sudden you have a new monster with new policies. if that were possible, then it might be a part of victory. >> henry paulson.

>> henry paulson. >> yes, if if can >> yes, yes, if yes, if it can be— >> yes, yes, if yes, if it can be done. >> and yes, if the policies are ready to go with agreement across the party, which i don't think happen. think will happen. >> but that's a yes, >> well, but so that's a yes, you're saying. right. well, thank your thank you so much for your thoughts. social thoughts. russell quirk, social commentator jim dale, conservative peer lord moylan and leader ukip or and also leader of ukip or former of ukip henry former leader of ukip henry boulton, also the primrose . boulton, and also the primrose. primrose, league primrose, primrose league president , something like that. president, something like that. well, listen, if you just tuned president, something like that. we welcome if you just tuned president, something like that. we welcome aboard.1st tuned president, something like that. wewelcome aboard. this|ned president, something like that. wewelcome aboard. this ised in. welcome aboard. this is gb news. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. at 5:00. my outside radio. at 5:00. it's my outside guest. remember this. a guest. now remember this. he's a chef with restaurants across london. also once london. he also once held a special world record for the most number of times a pancake is in one minute. any is flipped in one minute. any guesses? but next, it's time guesses? but up next, it's time for british debate for the great british debate this asking this hour. and i'm asking whether you think that the tory party be saved with more party could be saved with more conservative policies. you'll hear thoughts my panel, hear the thoughts of my panel, danny and also christine danny kelly and also christine hamilton. first, let's hamilton. but first, let's get your latest with the . prime nana. >> thanks for 31. our top story.

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continue with the great british debate hour. i'm debate this hour. and i'm asking, more asking, could a more conservative leader the conservative leader save the tories ? morley outwood mp tories? morley and outwood mp andrew said that andrew jenkins has said that it's to go it's time for rishi sunak to go and replaced by a real and be replaced by a real conservative leader , and this conservative leader, and this comes after the increased support of the bring back boris campaign following the tories devastating wellingborough and kingswood by—election defeats. so, for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking could a more conservative leader save the tories? well, let's see what my panel make that. joining my panel make of that. joining me christine hamilton, me now, christine hamilton, author and broadcaster, also a broadcaster journalist, broadcaster and journalist, danny kelly. right. christine hamilton, i'm going to start with, you know , i know it's with, you know, i know it's there isn't time. >> it's ridiculous what the tory party needs to do is change the substance, not the style of leadership or anything like that . i know it's i mean, the whole rot started when, uh , there's rot started when, uh, there's only about 50 real concern lives amongst the members of parliament. and the rot started with david cameron when he got in and he got control of the

selection of candidates. and instead of constituencies being allowed to select a candidate in their own mould, which is much further to the right, they had to have people foisted on them by central office. so we've got all these people who are supposedly tory mps. they're not as you can see, by the way as has you can see, by the way they behave. it's far too they behave. so it's far too late. the, you know, all the late. and the, you know, all the metaphors are there, the icebergs and deckchairs and goodness knows what. it's far too late. there is nothing they can do. and what the tory party needs to do . needs to do. >> yeah, hitting an iceberg. >> yeah, hitting an iceberg. >> they need to. can i just finish? they need. they need a catastrophic defeat, which is what they're going to get to throw some sense into them. and they may be back in five years, i doubt it. it'll probably be ten years. >> all maritime metaphors, aren't they? >> sinking ships and titanic and ice packs and wheels. >> okay, the question . >> okay, the question. >> okay, the question. >> wheels one. >> wheels one. >> what the wheel ? >> what was the wheel? >> what was the wheel? >> at the wheel, all >> one asleep at the wheel, all that sort of stuff. motoring one really know. oh, not really know. oh, it's not it. >> more a no.

>> it's more than a no. >> it's. >> it's. >> oh, no, but it's a ship one. of course the wheel. >> the wheel. that's right. >> the wheel. that's right. >> okay. came before cars. >> okay. uh came before cars. >> okay. uh came before cars. >> that's correct. >> that's correct. >> can a conservative, a more conservative the conservative leader save the tories? answer no, tories? the answer is no, because party are because the reform party are determined ultimate determined on ultimate ruination. the reform. the reform freudian , the. reform of freud's freudian, the. oh, that's my lipstick rolling along the table. uh, the reform party are going to scupper them. another maritime metaphor. they're going to scupper the good ship tories, aren't they? so hang on, what kind of boris johnson could kind of party are you if you rely on other people to fail? >> i suppose you're the labour party now. i've thought about it. of party are you? it. what sort of party are you? >> if you someone to fail. >> if you need someone to fail. >> if you need someone to fail. >> but the point is reform. what i answer this, but the i can answer this, but the tories saying, oh if tories saying, oh well, if people vote instead of you're ruining by voting ruining our votes by voting for reform, kind not okay reform, what kind of not okay reform, what kind of not okay reform former the long terme they're playing a long game so reform may get into power reform may not get into power for 234. for another 234. >> that's if they do. i'm just hypothesising for 3 or 4 more general and want general elections. and they want a proper conservative

government. yes. >> conservative party >> about the conservative party but the kind of party are you if you're you vote for you're saying, do you vote for reform because you've reform reformist because you've never had an alternative to the conservative party, and now there a viable conservative, there is a viable conservative, you're that reform you're assuming that reform only took from the tories, and took votes from the tories, and what the tories have to do. >> the people who matter to the tories the people. a tories are the people. that's a good the people who good point. well, the people who matter, voted matter, the people who voted tory in and if they can't tory in 2019. and if they can't hang on to those at the by—election, most of them sat on their and stayed at home. their hands and stayed at home. that's and also that's big trouble. and also apathy elections. apathy by elections. >> ring true with >> never really ring true with general either. general elections either. >> turnout. >> tiny turnout. >> tiny turnout. >> know conservative voters >> i know conservative voters who are voting reform. don't who are voting reform. i don't know labour voters who are voting that's just know labour voters who are votiown that's just know labour voters who are votiown personal that's just know labour voters who are votiown personal anecdotal just my own personal anecdotal experience, you're right, experience, but you're right, lots of labour people will be voting reform, particularly in lots of labour people will be voti north, rm, particularly in lots of labour people will be voti north, the particularly in lots of labour people will be voti north, the north, larly in lots of labour people will be voti north, the north, red/ in lots of labour people will be voti north, the north, red walls, the north, the north, red walls, blue walls, red walls, whatever colour. >> i think also in the by elections, the people who are brilliant at tactical voting are the they want, the lib dems and they want, above else to get the tories above all else to get the tories out. so in those by elections, i reckon quite a lot of lib dems

etc. will have voted for the person who would get out. the tories tactical voting will be labouh tories tactical voting will be labour. yes, will be labour. yeah i'm not sure. >> ed davey for starters , >> ed davey for starters, because it's got a wall. where is he on quiet post office thing when he after. before that he'd asked people to resign about 34 times. now he's involved in embroiled in something and he's still clinging on. and no one can find problem with can find the problem with tactical my opinion, tactical voting, in my opinion, is you feel isolated and is that you feel isolated and you think, well, what if i'm the only one who votes tactically? >> you sod this, >> i tell you what, sod this, i'm to vote lib dem or i'm i'm going to vote lib dem or i'm going to vote whoever the lib dems a lot of my guess is that a lot of the dems will have lot of the lib dems will have looked the elections and looked at the by elections and thought, right to defeat the tories. >> we need to vote labour. >> we need to vote labour. >> no, i understand that, but but isolation you may go and but in isolation you may go and your your fingers and hand your your your fingers and hand may over the boxes may be quivering over the boxes and oh, the only and you think, oh, am i the only one who's going to vote tactically? i wasting my tactically? am i wasting my vote? knows exactly. vote? well nobody knows exactly. it's uncertainty. it's the uncertainty. >> apologise. if >> it's just apologise. if anyone was offended by that, by lib dems.

>> w- w“ >> oh, there's loads of them out there. >> what's he said to be a repeat it. >> there's loads of. >> there's loads of. >> what did you say. well i can't repeat it. >> i think i know, i think apologies. >> are you offended by i wasn't, i wasn't offended, no. >> didn't hear it. well look, the offend you is the day the day i offend you is the day this place gets shut down. the day i offend you is the day thisif lace gets shut down. the day i offend you is the day thisif lice gets shut down. the day i offend you is the day thisif i sayjets shut down. the day i offend you is the day thisif i say itts shut down. the day i offend you is the day thisif i say it on hut down. the day i offend you is the day thisif i say it on air. down. the day i offend you is the day thisif i say it on air. yeah, yeah. >> so what do you think, then? more conservative conservatives. >> potentially. >> boris johnson, potentially. >> boris johnson, potentially. >> that's what arade dam andrew jenkins said. said, no jenkins said. she said, oh no boris. said, boris. and i actually said, i remember did monologue. i remember i did a monologue. i said, most stupid move said, it's the most stupid move that tories have ever done that the tories have ever done to of boris was stupid. to get rid of boris was stupid. and now look where they are. >> yeah, but bringing boris back is no solution the problem. is no solution to the problem. but is culpable of all but boris is culpable of all these boris was, but boris is culpable of all thesknow, boris was, but boris is culpable of all thesknow, locked boris was, but boris is culpable of all thesknow, locked down oris was, but boris is culpable of all thesknow, locked down net was, but boris is culpable of all thesknow, locked down net zero. you know, locked down net zero. it's not even a higher taxes, not even an mp, not now. they've not even an mp, not now. they've no boris was was no everything. but boris was was in favour of all the things that have problems the have caused the problems in the first place. >> all i'm saying is that she suggested we should bring suggested that we should bring him drop the him back. but he should drop the net which i would him back. but he should drop the net but which i would him back. but he should drop the net but \shows would him back. but he should drop the net but \shows nothing agree. but this shows nothing without views. without you and your views. let's welcome our great british

voices. opportunity to be voices. there opportunity to be on and tell what on the show and tell us what they about topics they think about the topics we're discussing, go, we're discussing, which we go, oh, where's oh, there's no map, where's my map? we'll go straight to you, john kidderminster. my john reading kidderminster. my maps think maps gone. what do you think a more leader save more conservative leader save the man. the tories. oh, man. >> you so much, >> nana, thank you so much, christine. i'm 101% with christine here. >> think there's >> i don't think there's anything can save the anything that can save the tories now, because i think they've of they've made a complete mess of it believe it in a nutshell, i believe genuinely needs to trust the government and the politicians and how anybody could trust any of these tories. >> now is beyond me, because they make so many things they say they're going to do, and then nothing happens. and i suppose i'm representative or an example of, should we say, a pensioner. >> i'm 75 years of age. >> i'm 75 years of age. >> i'm 75 years of age. >> i'm living on a pension plus a little bit part time work. a little bit of part time work. >> i'm not a rich man. i'm just i joe public and i don't i think joe public and i don't trust him. i wouldn't trust him any than they could any further than they could throw as boris coming back, >> and as for boris coming back, well, forget that he was the beginning of the for me. beginning of the end for me. >> christine, i'm with you. >> so christine, i'm with you. >> so christine, i'm with you. >> john. john >> great. thank you. john. john thank you so much. >> always a pleasure. there he

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listening to gb news radio. >> hello. good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. don't forget, you can also stream the show live on youtube. i'm nana akua and it's time now for world view. donald trump has dipped his toes into the fashion business. the former us president announced his line of trump branded shoes at sneaker con this week . a pair of his con this week. a pair of his shoes will set you back $399, and this cash will come in handy for mr trump, who has been ordered by a judge to pay nearly

$355 million to new york for state apparently lying about the value of his properties. travelling over now to america, let's speak to the host of the politics people podcast, paul duddridge, and find out the latest paul duddridge welcome on board trump loses his third new york civil case in nine months. yeah yep. >> uh, he's half $1 billion in the hole now go to new york. >> now, look, he says he's going to appeal all these cases. so two of these cases were the e jean carroll carroll okay. >> these cases , by the >> these are civil cases, by the way. not been guilty way. he's not been found guilty of any crimes. >> uh, two of the cases >> he uh, two of the cases e jean carroll that's about $100 million. >> and then this one, $350 million, you can't do business in new york for three years, either for, uh , absolute lawfare either for, uh, absolute lawfare going on. >> this is prosecuted by the new york attorney general who campaigned . campaigned. >> and her campaign slogan was , >> and her campaign slogan was, she's going to get trump before

she's going to get trump before she even got into office. >> she knew. so the thing is , he >> she knew. so the thing is, he was at sneaker con , as you say, was at sneaker con, as you say, he literally has to either liquidate companies , borrow the liquidate companies, borrow the money to pay. >> he's going to appeal. all right. he's going to appeal the trick is he has to still put the money into court whilst these appeals are being heard. >> so ironically, he's half $1 billion in, uh, in the hole. he has to actually put about another $100 million into court. it's like 20 to 25% more. while the appeals are being heard. so he has to get a bond broker basically to, uh, and that's going to cost him 20. so he has to come up with like $100 million. just just just to, uh, tread water at this point . but tread water at this point. but it is an absolute abuse . it's an it is an absolute abuse. it's an abuse of the system . the most abuse of the system. the most pernicious lawfare that the us has ever witnessed . and even if has ever witnessed. and even if he wins, which he will, he'll ultimately win these on appeal. it ties this up. this is something you talked about weeks ago. it ties his hands

financially . it ties his financially. it ties his businesses . he can't do business businesses. he can't do business for three years. it ties his hands financially. he can't even make money because his wealth is going to be tied up until these appeals are heard. so he's got his new so he's got his new speaker con, sort of a sneaker con thing where he's selling trainers . trainers. >> is this true? that can't be true . he's seriously selling true. he's seriously selling trainers for $399 to probably try and make some money there. >> well, listen, if you can get a pair, i've got a garage full of them . it's, uh. i think of them. it's, uh. i think they're called the no surrender. i think they're called no i think they're called the no surrender gold high surrender sneakers. gold high tops, and, uh, well, if the thing is, the thing is, these are going to sell, but they're only going to sell a few million. he literally does have to like at $100 to have, like, at least $100 million who's going to million cash. who's going to lend him money to actually appeal these cases ? he's in a appeal these cases? he's in a very, very financial sticky situation. >> i want a pair when if he does

win , though, can he then sort of win, though, can he then sort of quash all this , or does he still quash all this, or does he still have to pay it? >> he can quash it. he will quash it. yes that will exactly, exactly what will happen ultimately. in the meantime , you ultimately. in the meantime, you have to come up with the cash and put it into the court. that's that's the trick . and that's that's the trick. and this look, never go this is how look, never go against city it's always against city hall. it's always going win the these, uh, this going to win the these, uh, this political class has got it in for him literally. i mean, this is the campaign letitia james, uh, ran was basically we've uh, ran on was basically we've got for trump. got it in for donald trump. yeah. he's going to win. but in the you cannot get the meantime, you cannot get hold of your own money. it is going in escrow for years. >> i want to ask you, because keir starmer made some comments >> i want to ask you, because keir regardr made some comments >> i want to ask you, because keir regard t01ade some comments >> i want to ask you, because keir regard to trumpyme comments >> i want to ask you, because keir regard to trump and comments >> i want to ask you, because keir regard to trump and kind1ents >> i want to ask you, because keir regard to trump and kind of|ts with regard to trump and kind of slightly insulted trump with trump's about 2% trump's comments about 2% of gdp, that you know, he gdp, and that he, you know, he would he sort of said to putin, come on, attack these countries that aren't paying, uh, has trump commented on keir starmer making an almost sort of comment about him, or has he even noficed about him, or has he even noticed ? noticed? >> well, i think what we know is

that the leader of the opposition to donald trump is less important than a pair of gold high top sneakers, so he hasn't he hasn't yet, um, found time to comment on keir starmer's retort. uh, asked ing nato signatories to actually stick to their agreement to pay to the 2. so no, he hasn't, uh, he hasn't found time in his busy schedule yet to reply to keir starmer. but gosh, can you imagine if keir starmer was prime minister and trump is president? going to president? it's just going to be the best. mean, that's worth the best. i mean, that's worth that's price that's worth the price of admission alone. >> yeah . and very briefly, admission alone. >> hillaryeah . and very briefly, admission alone. >> hillary clinton|d very briefly, admission alone. >> hillary clinton and ry briefly, admission alone. >> hillary clinton and obamaly, uh, hillary clinton and obama are these what's going on there? we've got about a minute. okay. >> so trump's got a criminal case coming up on march 25th. okay the, uh, the famous, uh, whatever her name is, uh, porn star, uh, hush money, stormy daniels, that's going to be the first. stormy daniels is going to be the first criminal case. okay so now the hillary clinton, obama, both fined for spending campaign funds exactly the same

way they were treated as misdemeanours and just given a fine 350,000, 100,000. trump is absolutely being treated as a as absolutely being treated as a as a felony . and it's a criminal a felony. and it's a criminal case. you're he is being accused of exactly the same thing in this march 25th case. and the point is, the reason it's relevant this week is that the date was confirmed. it's march 25th. the, uh, the president united states is going to be the very first time a president has been tried in a criminal case. i can't say ex—president. i'm sorry. >> no . well, you know, well, >> no. well, you know, well, he's making moves and shapes, and we're getting more action from than joe biden. paul from him than joe biden. paul duddridge, much. duddridge, thank you so much. that's duddridge, that's paul duddridge, host of the podcast. i'm the politics people podcast. i'm nana this is a gb news. nana akua this is a gb news. we're live on online on we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. still to come, my next great british debate. is starmer right to attack donald trump over his nato comments? and tuned for outside. my and stay tuned for outside. my guest restaurants guest is a chef with restaurants across london. he held a world record for the most pancake flips, and one of his flips, and he's one of his siblings. he's one of nine. all of that after this looks like

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hello >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching 5:00. i'm so excited my outside guests. i can't wait . my outside guests. i can't wait. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headunes of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. coming up, i'll joined by a very i'll be joined by a very special mystery that mystery guest who says that george michael helped him cook up storm kitchen . up a storm in the kitchen. that's why i'm excited, because he's brought food. love that. he's brought food. i love that. then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, what's starmer right what's the keir starmer right to take donald trump? take a swipe at donald trump? but let's get your latest but first, let's get your latest news with addison . thanks nana. >> good afternoon. coming up to 5:01 and we start with some breaking news as well. a 42 year old woman has been arrested on suspicion of murder after the deaths of three children in bristol . it's after officers bristol. it's after officers attended a concern for welfare. call in blaise walk in sea mills

this afternoon. the suspect is currently in police custody at a hospital now. this is a developing story and we'll bring you more as we get it. now, sir keir starmer has called for a permanent ceasefire in gaza dunng permanent ceasefire in gaza during a speech at the scottish labour conference it's a change to his previous stance of a pause in the fighting , saying pause in the fighting, saying instead the war must stop now. but he says the ceasefire can't be one sided and calling on hamas to release all of its remaining hostages. he also said a two state solution must be back on the table , an end to the back on the table, an end to the fighting, not just now, not just for a pause, but permanent shortly. >> a ceasefire that lasts. >> a ceasefire that lasts. >> conference . that is what must >> conference. that is what must happen now . now the fighting happen now. now the fighting must stop now . must stop now. >> well, in the us , president >> well, in the us, president biden has assured ukraine that

military aid will be delivered. that's despite delays he's blaming on republicans. the white house says inaction by the gop allowed russia to capture the eastern city of avdiivka. yesterday comes as some republicans cast doubt on the us's future support for ukraine. speaking at the munich security conference, republican senator jd vance said europe must get used to the idea of the us being less involved in the region. >> look, the best way to help ukraine, i think from a european perspective , is for europe to perspective, is for europe to become more self—sufficient. vladimir putin is, of course , in vladimir putin is, of course, in the backyard of the geopolitical backyard of europe , the united as it europe, the united states, as it focuses more on east asia, simply expected to foot simply can't be expected to foot a disproportionate share of the burden . burden. >> russian authorities have been accused of doing everything they can to avoid handing over alexi navalny's body to his family. yesterday, the 69 year old mother of president putin's most vocal critic visited the remote penal colony where he died. she

says she was told his body had been taken to a nearby morgue. but when she arrived , it was but when she arrived, it was closed. meanwhile in london, tributes are continuing today outside the russian embassy as people lay flowers and messages. navalny's spokespeople claim his death was orchestrated murder by putin, and that's been rejected by the kremlin . two people have by the kremlin. two people have been charged by police and will appearin been charged by police and will appear in court after a pro—palestine demonstration in central london yesterday . 134 central london yesterday. 134 year old lucy whittaker, diaz ayub brew, has been charged with failing to remove a face covering the other 48 year old martin prady is accused of obstructing a police constable. it comes after tens of thousands of protesters marched through the irish, scottish and english capitals in major demonstrations against the war in gaza . two against the war in gaza. two ministers have written to police chiefs to express concern concerns over the safety of

politician amid increased protests . security minister tom protests. security minister tom tugendhat and policing minister chris philp took the unusual step after pro—palestinian activists . gathered outside the activists. gathered outside the home of tory mp tobias ellwood. it comes as reports in the daily mail suggest that just stop oil activists are planning to occupy the homes of mps, with one protester reportedly telling a journalist that the group is ready to , quote, look a bit ready to, quote, look a bit loony . the king was seen smiling loony. the king was seen smiling and waving as he attended church in sandringham this morning . in sandringham this morning. braving the wet weather, his majesty and the queen clutched umbrellas in their first public outing since prince harry's interview on us breakfast television. the duke of sussex is said to be willing to undertake some royal duties, while his father. undertake some royal duties, while his father . undergoes while his father. undergoes treatment for cancer, though there's reportedly been no changes to the current arrangements and finally, britain's brightest stars are

putting on their sunday best ahead of the baftas this evening . the nuclear bomb epic oppenheimer is leading the pack with 13 nominations, including . with 13 nominations, including. best film. elsewhere, claire foy is up for best supporting actress for her role in the heartfelt drama all of us strangers . her co—star paul strangers. her co—star paul mescal is also up for a gong, though the film's lead, andrew scott , was notably snubbed. scott, was notably snubbed. sophie ellis—bextor will perform her 2001 hit murder on the dance floor after it re—entered the charts. thanks to a scene in the film saltburn , which is also up film saltburn, which is also up for five awards. well for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen right now, or go to news.com . slash alerts or go to news.com. slash alerts now back to . nana. now back to. nana. >> good afternoon. this is gb news on tv online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and for

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deal with him. so what's he playing at, for goodness sake ? playing at, for goodness sake? and as ever, you can get in touch at gb views at gb news.com or tweet @gbnews . so it's or tweet me @gbnews. so it's just gone seven minutes after 5:00 and each sunday around about this time , i'm joined by a about this time, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp, or someone who's had an extremely interesting career to take a look life the we look at. life after the job. we talk highs , lows and lessons talk highs, lows and lessons learned and what comes next on the week the outside. and this week my outside is without a doubt outside guest is without a doubt a cheese. after his italian a big cheese. after his italian country childhood , he settled in country childhood, he settled in britain, where he became a master chef and has restaurants across london. he once held the world record for the most number of pancakes flipped inside one minute, and he comes from a very big family, one of nine siblings, in and he's siblings, in fact. and he's cooked for madonna, prince edward, thanked george edward, and even thanked george michael for helping put food michael for helping him put food on table. but his skills are on the table. but his skills are not reserved for in the kitchen. he definitely has the x factor. having wowed audiences with his

singing talents. any guesses ? singing talents. any guesses? yeah, you got it. that's right. i'm joined today by the fabulous celebrity chef aldo zilli. well, no varne giorno aldo zilli , how no varne giorno aldo zilli, how are you? i'm very good, thank you. and i'm very pleased to say aldo has brought food because the my heart, always the way to my heart, i always bnng the way to my heart, i always bring the way to my bring food. well, the way to my heart through my gut. i have heart is through my gut. i have to bring when i come to to bring food when i come to this station. >> food. >> it's like food. >> it's like food. >> do want to bring any food? >> yes. >> yes. >> lovely. aldo because never >> yes. >> lwastedrldo because never >> yes. >> lwasted here.ecause never gets wasted here. >> what i love. >> that's what i love. >> that's what i love. >> everyone. they'll be on me like gannets end, but like gannets at the end, but they realise i am the they don't realise i am the worst here. eat all worst gannet here. i'll eat all of it. so, aldo zilli, talk to me you. because me about you. because you brought italy. how long brought in italy. yeah. how long have it's great. have you got? yeah. it's great. and born in italy? and you were born in italy? >> a very small >> i was born in a very small village on the adriatic coast called alba adriatica. village on the adriatic coast caliandilba adriatica. village on the adriatic coast caliand province |tica. village on the adriatic coast caliand province of a. village on the adriatic coast caliand province of teramo , which >> and province of teramo, which is a city in the centre of italy , in the abruzzo region and i'm the youngest of nine. >> wow . >> wow. >> wow. >> so i grew up with seven brothers and one sister. >> oh , no. >> oh, no. »- >> oh, no. >> just one sister. all slept in one bed, all in line. yeah she

did, she did. >> she did. but she ran off in the end because she couldn't cope with with all the boys. bless her heart. >> yeah. so growing up was, you know, food was always a premium because we didn't really have much. >> uh, my dad had a farm, but he wouldn't let us eat anything off the farm because he had to sell it. to his , um, customers. it. okay. to his, um, customers. >> , you know, for me, it was >> so, you know, for me, it was quite a struggle . quite a struggle. >> um, sort of growing up with no food and seven brothers that didn't really. i mean, i say it, they didn't like me, but that's what i thought. >> they didn't like me. >> they didn't like me. >> yeah. uh, my dad thought i was an accident because i came quite and, you know, so it quite late, and, you know, so it was of a struggle. was a bit of a struggle. >> so i left early. >> so i left early. >> left early? and, uh , i >> you left early? and, uh, i had in europe. had a stint in in europe. >> and then i landed in england . >> and then i landed in england. >> and then i landed in england. >> in england. >> in england. >> i'm going to cut this short. otherwise going be. otherwise it's going to be. >> we'll hear your >> yeah. we'll hear about your stories of europe, stories stories of europe, the stories of we'll be like, mate, stories of europe, the stories of 6:00. we'll be like, mate, stories of europe, the stories of 6:00. wee'll be like, mate, stories of europe, the stories of 6:00. we got)e like, mate, stories of europe, the stories of 6:00. we got to like, mate, stories of europe, the stories of 6:00. we got to go. mate, it's 6:00. we got to go. >> chefing wasn't >> but i mean, chefing wasn't something that i wanted do, something that i wanted to do, to be honest.

something that i wanted to do, to ii! honest. something that i wanted to do, to ii wanted. something that i wanted to do, to ii wanted to be an actor. i >> i wanted to be an actor. i wanted to be on stage. i wanted that's what that was. >> my ambition , uh, originally. >> my ambition, uh, originally. >> my ambition, uh, originally. >> , uh, but then i landed in >> and, uh, but then i landed in the kitchen because it's the only language i could talk. >> really? >> really? >> when i first came here, you know, i couldn't speak any english, so i thought if i, if i work in in a restaurant in a kitchen, then show my, my kitchen, then i can show my, my skills , uh, of cooking, because skills, uh, of cooking, because i learned to cook with my mum and you never know when you're going to need it. >> yeah. as i say, you always need cooking. yes i still do. need cooking. yes so i still do. now >> very, very, very good skill. and you've cooked for i mean, how were where was your first restaurant and how did you end up heady heights of up in the heady heights of having in harvey having restaurants in harvey nicks? you on nicks? i mean, you have a on a wednesdays, you're out there in harvey nicks. yeah. >> well , the thing is, um, i had >> well, the thing is, um, i had my first restaurant exactly 40 years ago. i opened my first restaurant in dean street , and restaurant in dean street, and soon enough, people started coming. but i opened the restaurant by. by pure chance,

because the guy that owned the decided to retire, and he said, give me £500 a week, and you can have my restaurant. so i had nothing to lose. yeah, and i paid him rent every week, and he gave me his restaurant all furnished and everything amazing with a few customers. then obviously , brought of obviously, i brought a lot of people believe it or not, in people in believe it or not, in those days you couldn't even find couldn't find olive oil. you couldn't find olive oil. you couldn't find italian ingredients, you couldn't find . it was hard. it couldn't find. it was hard. it was hard to find good ingredients. >> freddie mercury was one of your freddie mercury a your your freddie mercury came a bit later . bit later. >> george michael was one of the first, um , after the wham final. first, um, after the wham final. they all started coming in and then, you know, one person started talking and all the others started coming, and the one in the restaurant in dean street became, uh, a little hub for lots of a—lister celebrities for lots of a—lister celebrities for no reason whatsoever . for no reason whatsoever. >> that was lily's, was it? >> that was lily's, was it? >> that was lily's, was it? >> that was, uh, no, it wasn't called zigi. then it was called scigliano . and then zigi opened scigliano. and then zigi opened after down the road. so after that down the road. so yeah, i mean, it was, uh , we had yeah, i mean, it was, uh, we had the mafia, we had soho. soho was

a different kettle of fish. >> yeah, that's soho , if anyone >> yeah, that's soho, if anyone doesn't know where soho is, that's like in central london. it's know, the hub of it's just, you know, the hub of it near leicester village it near leicester square village . yeah. it near leicester square village . yea describe it as my, my >> i describe it as my, my village where i grew up. really? yeah >> now you've brought some food. i'm it. i'm thinking, i'm looking at it. i'm thinking, well, i brought standard i'm looking at it. i'm thinking, well, i bforght standard i'm looking at it. i'm thinking, well, i bforght because 'd i'm looking at it. i'm thinking, well, i bforght because this is lasagne for you because this is what to make in those what we used to make in those days. then arancini. >> and then this is arancini. uh, is rice balls filled uh, this is rice balls filled with bolognese. uh peas and mozzarella and, um, and loads of parmesan. and it's got a nice hot, spicy sauce . let me, let me hot, spicy sauce. let me, let me cut a little bit of that for you. >> i can see myself spilling this on my little. there you go on my little blue dress. it's not spicy. it's not got pepper in it. >> no, no, it's not spicy. what don't you like spicy food? >> um. >> um. >> tell you like spicy food. >> tell me you like spicy food. mhm, . you're >> tell me you like spicy food. mhm, .you're not going to mhm, mhm. you're not going to talk the same time. see, talk any at the same time. see, i also this pizza now in the i also got this pizza now in the old days you had a margherita . old days you had a margherita. you had very few choices of pizza. nowadays we make this

pizza. nowadays we make this pizza in, in the restaurant in lucarelli in knightsbridge and we, we uh top , top afterwards , we, we uh top, top afterwards, you know, we make a normal margherita . then afterwards we margherita. then afterwards we put all these lovely ingredients on top. >> so what have you got on there? >> on top of this, there's a grilled, grilled courgettes. >> grilled courgettes. there's some people look. yeah. >> there you go. >> there you go. >> look , there's some mortadella >> look, there's some mortadella , some rockets. everybody's going to be you know, they're all going to follow me out there for this. they're not. i left it all in my bag. >> come and see me on a wednesday . wednesday. >> that's lovely because on this pizza yeah. >> that's lovely because on this piz; let yeah. >> that's lovely because on this piz; let me yeah. >> that's lovely because on this piz; let me cut yeah. >> that's lovely because on this pizzlet me cut it yeah. >> that's lovely because on this pizzlet me cut it for yeah. >> that's lovely because on this piz; let me cut it for youah. >> that's lovely because on this pizzlet me cut it for you again. >> let me cut it for you again. i can't believe i haven't given you and fork. no, you you a knife and a fork. no, you meant to. >> used meantto. >> used eat meant to. >> used eat with my hands. >> i used to eat with my hands. yeah. now delicious. yeah. now this. delicious. i'll try that. so it looks try a bit of that. so it looks cheesy. know, cheesy. so you know, the hospitality industry has moved on immensely since i. >> i started here. because >> since i started here. because now can get anything we want. now we can get anything we want. you we couldn't even get you know, we couldn't even get rocket so now now rocket in those days. so now now italian italy is very close .

italian italy is very close. although it's a bit more difficult now, especially with the brexit get ingredients in. but you know we managing. we're managing. all right. >> so you even do. is this dessert. >> this is a tiramisu. >> this is a tiramisu. >> tiramisu. is that coffee. >> tiramisu. is that coffee. >> that's a coffee base . >> that's a coffee base. tiramisu. yes. egg coffee i'm very fan of coffee. mascarpone. mascarpone cheese . mascarpone cheese. >> mm hmm . >> mm hmm. >> mm hmm. >> do you like that? >> do you like that? >> i don't like coffee, but that's nice. >> you don't like coffee? no no. that's going to wake you up, then. i never drink coffee because i'm quite hyperactive . because i'm quite hyperactive. >> will running >> so that will send me running around. oh, yeah. >> i'm addicted. the >> i'm a i'm addicted. i'm the opposite. addicted opposite. i'm addicted to coffee. yes >> so what would say your >> so what would you say in your career has one of the most career has been one of the most defining ? defining moments? >> moments was >> uh, defining moments was opening the first fish restaurant in london. silly fish. when i opened silly fish, everybody thought i was a bad idea because it was just fish . idea because it was just fish. uh, but actually, that was the most successful restaurant i've ever i've. i've ever ever had. yeah, i've. i've ever opened. and everybody came to that restaurant , opened. and everybody came to that restaurant, and i sold it 15 years ago. but now i'm a

consultant, so , you know, people consultant, so, you know, people i like giving back. so i'm giving back my knowledge to restaurants and needed not for free clients and free. the word free clients and free. the word free doesn't exist. i wouldn't get out of bed twice . get out of bed twice. >> no, i totally get it. no. and in your cooking, what's the biggest mistake that you'd say that you've made if you were to pick up something and think, oh god, why i do that? god, why did i do that? >> biggest mistake i made, >> uh, biggest mistake i made, um, probably of opening um, i probably of opening a vegetarian only restaurant. yeah, that was that sounds like a mistake to me. well, it would have been. it wouldn't have been now, but in those days, i was again of the first. so it again one of the first. so it was not a mistake. but it wasn't a great success. >> are a vegetarian ? >> are you a vegetarian? >> are you a vegetarian? >> let's put it that way. no, but i do love a vegetarian food and my client, paul mccartney , and my client, paul mccartney, and my client, paul mccartney, and his family. i cook for them for about 20 years. and and he was a regular in this restaurant . so i turned to the restaurant. he loved into a vegetarian restaurant. not because of him,

but he had a lot. he had a lot to do with it. >> and your view on that sort >> and your view on on that sort of because and veganism in of food because and veganism in general veganism, vegan general veganism, i love vegan food. general veganism, i love vegan foo�*i vegetarian , i mean, >> i love vegetarian, i mean, veganis >> i love vegetarian, i mean, vegan is great, but i don't like the vegan replaced . the vegan replaced. >> yeah, just stick to what it is that that thing is. yes. instead of because i don't like it when they say, oh, a vegan chicken. is it? it when they say, oh, a vegan chicken. is it ? just chicken. well, what is it? just say it is. what have you say what it is. what have you putit? say what it is. what have you put it? is we want to know what that is. >> t- t— e not good for you. >> so that's not good for you. >> so that's not good for you. >> no, because of course it's processed. there's processed. it's. yeah. there's lots that food as well. >> yeah. fresh food if you if >> yeah. fresh food if you go if you're vegan, lots you're going to go vegan, lots of food, of pulses, of fresh food, lots of pulses, lots of protein you get from lots of protein you can get from other, don't other, other sources. you don't have meat, but you know, have to eat meat, but you know, i mean, pescatarian is my year. >> fish, that's the best. >> i love fish, that's the best. >> i love fish, that's the best. >> bag. i don't >> it's my, uh, my bag. i don't i can't go vegan or vegetarian . i can't go vegan or vegetarian. no, i love fish. >> this is good for you. >> this is good for you. >> i have to eat a bit of it. and also, i'm a chef, so i have to taste every day. i have to taste foods. taste different foods. >> el tel. listen, i'm so >> well, el tel. listen, i'm so grateful come and grateful for you to come and

talk about all if talk to me about all this. if people out more people want to find out more about stuff, what's going about your stuff, what's going on have got on with you? have you got anything coming or anything? anything coming up or anything? >> zigi we have casa also >> zigi we have casa deli also in surrey. the website in in surrey. uh the website will everything. casa will tell you everything. casa village.com . um, and we have village.com. um, and we have i have a lot on the pipeline that i will only talk when i sign. i'm with you. the dotted lines . i'm with you. the dotted lines. >> although . thank you so much. >> although. thank you so much. i think we should leave this food on the table for danny to see if he can resist touching any of it. and also because i don't want to share it. i think danny will this . aldo danny will wipe this. aldo zilli, thank you very much. celebrity chef aldo zilli. he was my outside guest. did you guess? fabulous. well, listen, stay tuned with us. it's just coming up to 18 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news coming up. i'll have clickbait or clickbait even. i'll have clickbait or clickbait even . and it's sadiq khan's even. and it's sadiq khan's freudian slip is in the spotlight this week. but up next, time for the great spotlight this week. but up next, debate for the great spotlight this week. but up next, debate this he great spotlight this week. but up next, debate this hour.aat british debate this hour. and i'm asking, right to is i'm asking, is trump right to is trump ? is starmer right to trump right? is starmer right to attack donald trump over nato

radio. on i'm so happy i've got a food. >> it's lovely. i had to take a load of myself because what happens is it will go out there and i'll never see it again. if you in. welcome you just tuned in. welcome aboard. i'm talking aboard. the reason i'm talking about that is because aldo zilli was guest, now was my outside guest, but now it's approaching 21 it's fast approaching. 21 minutes i'm nana minutes after 5:00. i'm nana akua is gb news on tv, akua. this is gb news on tv, onune akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. and it's online and on digital radio. and wsfime online and on digital radio. and it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, keir i'm asking, what's the keir starmer to attack trump starmer a right to attack trump on nato ? now, sir keir starmer on nato? now, sir keir starmer has a swipe at former us has taken a swipe at former us president donald trump for criticising nato members. the labour leader has pledged that he'd stand up for our allies if he'd stand up for our allies if he were to become the uk's next prime minister. of course, this follows mr trump suggesting that he'd encourage russia to attack any nato members that failed to

spend enough on defence. but with trump slightly ahead in the polls, with starmer right to criticise him, or is he damaging uk, us relations , what do you uk, us relations, what do you think? so joining me to discuss this former adviser to the bank of england, doctor roger gewolb and chair of republica overseas, of england, doctor roger gewolb and (svenssonepublica overseas, of england, doctor roger gewolb and (svensson i'm lica overseas, of england, doctor roger gewolb and (svensson i'm going/erseas, of england, doctor roger gewolb and (svensson i'm going to seas, of england, doctor roger gewolb and (svensson i'm going to start greg svensson i'm going to start with you, greg. seeing as your chair of republicans overseas was he right? sir keir starmer the short is no. the short answer is no. >> think he could been >> i think he could have been much constructive if he's much more constructive if he's thinking that trump might be president, he should be a little bit more constructive about it, maybe suggest that the maybe even suggest that the countries are not countries that are not contributing 2% of their gdp to military spending maybe should step up and do it. and that's , step up and do it. and that's, you know, obviously, nato is completely dependent on us involvement. so president trump has a funny way of saying things sometimes, but his point is correct that, you know, with with only 11 members of nato spending 2, that's just inadequate . inadequate. >> well, after he said it, after trump made his comments, a lot of them started to cough up. so

whatever he did work roger gewolb me. gewolb pardon me. >> i think there are two >> well, i think there are two points. one pardon me, one about the men and the other about the issue regarding the men. i think that, uh , keir starmer, who when that, uh, keir starmer, who when bons that, uh, keir starmer, who when boris calls him the human bollard, you know, it does kind of call him that. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> not that . >> not that. >> not that. >> oh, he's called him that many times. >> the human, the human bollard. >> the human, the human bollard. >> and it does ever so slightly resonate . but the thing being resonate. but the thing being that he's now trying to make , at that he's now trying to make, at least with the anti—semitism issue , uh, a show of himself as issue, uh, a show of himself as a stronger leader, a bit of a strong man. whether he'll carry that through if he's elected, i don't know whether we'll have jeremy corbyn, whom he tried to get elected twice, of course, appear from the woodwork is anybody's guess. >> but he's trying to put on a show of strength. >> and i think he killed it all by criticising former president trump for doing one of his usual

things tricks to get some results, which he always seems to do. moving to the issue, i think that it's just absolutely unacceptable for these countries, not to meet their commitments and yet expect to be defended. >> i, i don't support trump in saying that he would encourage putin to attack them, but i do support him in scaring the pants off of them. >> i mean, as i've said on other programs, if you belong to, do you belong to a club? >> does the club let members in who don't pay their dues? >> why is the uk the only country with the united states counter attacking the houthis, for example? i think it's shameful. >> um, i mean, that's the soccer that others aren't stepping in and getting involved in that. and actually protecting the interests of those in the west, which is what america are doing. and the houthis are thugs and pirates, you know, even actually and the houthis are thugs and pirthe;, you know, even actually and the houthis are thugs and pirthe pro—palestine en actually and the houthis are thugs and pirthe pro—palestine protest,|lly at the pro—palestine protest, people were support of people were in support of houthis. mean, this is this is houthis. i mean, this is this is how gone. but you how crazy it's gone. but you know, what me is, though, know, what gets me is, though, you you seem to equally

you you both seem to equally criticise trump for the way he said it, but don't criticise said it, but i don't criticise him. think he's absolutely him. i think he's absolutely spot what happened spot on because what happened after that way, a lot after he said it that way, a lot of have stepped up. sure. of them have stepped up. sure. >> so, you know, it went from what other way could he say? >> he's even the president. >> yeah. well started in >> yeah. well he started this in 2017 there was only five 2017 when there was only five countries meeting the commitment. you know, commitment. and then, you know, they moved up to 11. so progress. better than than progress. it's better than than nothing. so you know good for him. and if he if he says it in a in a in an unfiltered way, that's just trump's nature. and so he's not always perfect with, with the delivery. but but the point is absolutely correct . point is absolutely correct. >> and i didn't criticise him at all. i simply said that he might not have said i would encourage putin. rest. he's putin. all the rest. he's absolutely right. putin. all the rest. he's abswell,y right. putin. all the rest. he's abswell,y don't know does >> well, i don't know what does neil hamilton think of that? he's joining he's ukip he's joining us now. he's ukip leader. he's there in wiltshire. neil hamilton, your thoughts on this? was trump, right? and actually way said it actually even the way he said it as well . as well. >> yeah, think trump was >> yeah, i think trump was absolutely spot the button , absolutely spot on the button, uh, in these european countries have been freeloading off the

united for decades. united states for decades. >> and now that the geopolitical plates are moving in different directions with the rise of china, the us is inevitably going to concentrate more on the far east than they are in europe, where we are mature democracies. >> some of the richest countries in the world can well afford to pay in the world can well afford to pay for our own defence in alliance with the united states . alliance with the united states. there's no reason whatever for anybody to fail to meet the nato commitments. i mean, the us is spending 3.5% of its gdp on defence. >> you know, britain only barely spends 2. i don't think we are spending enough in this country even though we meet our nato commitment. >> well , you know, commitment. >> well, you know, and greg is nodding his head there. >> yeah, but can i just neil, just to briefly ask you then, if you trump's delivery you do think trump's delivery was acceptable, though, because that's of it. that's the other side of it. people talking about the people are talking about the delivery the way he said it. delivery and the way he said it. and towards putin and the threat towards putin should attack the other countries that don't it . countries that don't pay it. >> trump is not a >> well. i mean, trump is not a sort of polished oxford union debater, is he?

>> so he's a rough, tough property magnate from new york. uh and you mustn't expect the kind of manners that you would expect from , uh, oxford or expect from, uh, oxford or cambridge student in a debating chamber . uh, cambridge student in a debating chamber. uh, you just have to accept that's the nature of the man. he knows what gets results . man. he knows what gets results. you know, the art of the deal is , book, and it's written , is his book, and it's written as a result of his own experience . he did it. experience. he did it. >> and, you know, i've realised i've deals using the art of i've done deals using the art of the even knowing the deal without even knowing it. too, right? it. so i'm good too, right? let's bring on. let's bring on nigel as well, because nigel nelson as well, because nigel nelson as well, because nigel nelson as well, because nigel nelson , they're in nigel nelson, they're coming in from there there we from all over and there there we go. nigel nelson, thoughts go. nigel nelson, your thoughts then trump. you know the then was was trump. you know the delivery. people delivery. some people are complaining but he complaining about. but was he right was keir starmer right right and was keir starmer right to sort attack him for to then sort of attack him for what he said was clearly wrong that that you don't that the that you don't encourage a encourage russia to attack a nato member where he was right originally was it was absolutely that of course people should pay up what they owe . up what they owe. >> uh, what nato is, it's a

club. it's there to defend us all. and as with all clubs, there are membership fees that if you want to continue , you you if you want to continue, you you have to actually stump up. so, uh , britain's been very good on uh, britain's been very good on this that , that, uh, back in this that, that, uh, back in 2014 when the, when the 2% defence target was set, uh , uh, defence target was set, uh, uh, us and the americans in greece were the only ones to , uh, to were the only ones to, uh, to pay were the only ones to, uh, to pay the money. um uh, as you as you've just said that now we're up to 11 of 31 members, but even so , that's only a third. so it so, that's only a third. so it is quite right for trump to get angry about america having to fund europe's defence umbrella. but don't go around telling putin to go to go. and, uh , uh, putin to go to go. and, uh, uh, attack a european country. it wasn't. >> but you, you and i know that that wasn't a literal meaning . that wasn't a literal meaning. you knew. i mean, come on, let's not pretend here that we're stupid. that wasn't a literal meaning. was play , and it meaning. that was a play, and it was and i'm quite was a tactic. and i'm quite clear that that's what he was saying find it saying. i just i find it incredible that people want to

take this out of context, but nigel nelson very quickly was keir then sort keir starmer right then to sort of criticise trump . of comment and criticise trump. >> yes, i think he was. i mean, bearin >> yes, i think he was. i mean, bear in mind he didn't actually he mention trump by he he didn't mention trump by name. but yes, i do think name. um but yes, i do think i do think the criticism is right. he's that keir starmer is going to have to work with whoever is the american president. it could well be donald trump later on this year . i well be donald trump later on this year. i think it's not a bad thing to lay down a marker saying, hang on, let's get the language right. but broadly, we will be agreeing with you about the amount of money people should should pay into nato . should should pay into nato. >> so, um, yeah, but it just doesn't seem very wise of him. he could have done it differently. i mean, if we're talking doing talking about people doing things differently, keir starmer perhaps things perhaps should have done things differently. quick, i'm differently. one quick, i'm going to come to you. roger gewolb was gewolb a final word to you was he what are you he right? and what what are you going to say? bucha one other going to say? bucha i one other thing like to say very thing i'd like to say very quickly also picked up quickly is that i also picked up what thought was a of a what i thought was a bit of a dog whistle. >> in keir starmer's fulsome >> um, in keir starmer's fulsome and obsequious

and almost obsequious s, uh, reaction and body language with the european is. >> it made me wonder if i wonder where this is all positioning him to ask them to let us back in and tear up brexit. >> yeah, you know, that's that's where all probably up . so where we all probably end up. so do think then i'll ask do you think then i'll ask you rogeh do you think then i'll ask you roger. yes. or no. was keir starmer to criticise starmer right to criticise trump. you're asking me. >> absolutely wrong i think. >> no. absolutely wrong i think. i think it hurt him when he's trying to show himself as being a stronger leader. >> henderson ma'am . >> greg henderson no ma'am. >> greg henderson no ma'am. >> uh, neil hamilton , big mistake. >> and if he. yes yes. >> brilliant. all right. thank you so much for your thoughts. brilliant uh roger gewolb. chair. republicans overseas. greg svenson, leader of ukip neil hamilton and also gb news political commentator . and nigel political commentator. and nigel nelson, so right nelson, thank you so much. right right. so what do you think, vaiews@gbnews.uk tweet at vaiews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at gb this is gb news. we are gb news. this is gb news. we are the people's channel and nana akua. it's fast approaching 31 minutes after 5:00, coming up, we'll continue with the great british debate this hour. i'm asking was sir keir starmer

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leader sir keir starmer has pledged that he'd for stand up our allies if he were to become prime minister. and this follows mr trump that he'd mr trump suggesting that he'd encourage any encourage russia to attack any nato that failed to nato members that failed to spend enough on defence. but some have argued that starmer's actions could threaten uk. us relations , seeing as trump is relations, seeing as trump is likely to be the next president and starmer to be the and starmer likely to be the next prime minister. so i'm asking right to asking will starmer right to attack nato? attack trump over nato? well, joining discuss that joining me to discuss that author and broadcaster christine hamilton and also broadcaster and danny kelly, and journalist danny kelly, danny kelly. >> look, i mean, keir starmer is tapping into the left of his party who loathe donald trump, i think 5 or 6 years ago, when trump was invited over with the p°mp trump was invited over with the pomp and the ceremony afforded to him and the speaker of the house of commons was spouting off and gobbing off, and you had all of these. bercow yeah . and all of these. bercow yeah. and you of these lefty mps you had all of these lefty mps saying he shouldn't be. it was a disgrace. it was an absolute scandal. and this i'm not one to use the cliche virtue

signalling, but that was a great example of virtue signalling. and here we go again. anti—donald trump i don't think donald trump was inviting russia to, to invade any nato country whatsoever . he was to, to invade any nato country whatsoever. he was speaking metaphorically and he was trying to drive home a point that he's been making when he was in power. i remember he had the great and the good. all the european leaders or the nato leaders and he was saying, you need to start paying your way, pal. yeah. and it's something that a bee in his that is, he's got a bee in his bonnet about this. i didn't realise that the paid 3. i realise that the yangs paid 3. i thought everyone just paid the two and a bit percent or whatever it was. pay 2. >> correct. and after he said it, of them started pay it, a lot of them started to pay their so it obviously worked. their 2. so it obviously worked. >> yeah. and also is, this >> yeah. and also this is, this is from who's not is from someone who's not actually exactly. he's actually in power. exactly. he's got in got for someone who's not in power, so much power . power, he's got so much power. yeah. it's remarkable. so what's starmer right . yeah. it's remarkable. so what's starmer right. uh, i don't think he was right. i just think he i just think once again, he's just reminds himself how much how many people loathe trump . yeah.

many people loathe trump. yeah. it's unnecessary. christine hamilton, he was 100% wrong. >> i mean, he's alienating the person who is most likely to be the next leader of the western world. you in a mess in world. if you were in a mess in a war, in a pickle, who would you want on your side? the usa or the french? no no contest. and it is ridiculous. and as as as people have said in different ways , you know, if you don't pay ways, you know, if you don't pay your insurance dues, you're not going to get cover when the roof blows off. but listen, it isn't just starmer. i unearthed this. this is what david lammy, if you can believe he is set to be our foreign secretary when lord cameron has to move over, he did. he described trump as a woman hating, neo nazi sympathising sociopath . and this sympathising sociopath. and this is this is the man who is yes. is yes. is this is the man who is yes. is yes . seriously, who is this is the man who is yes. is yes. seriously, who is going to be our next foreign secretary and to alienate the states like that? i mean , it's absolute, an that? i mean, it's absolute, an utter madness. and of course,

these other countries in nato have to start paying their dues. why should the states pay for us? why should they also what david lammy said if he did, did he say that? >> no. trust that you've taken that? absolutely quite eloquent and perfectly and you're perfectly intelligent. um, you know , intelligent. so, um, you know, they are alienating those that could potentially help us. i don't think it's wise in terms of diplomacy to be insults your allies way. and we need allies in that way. and we need america. and the point that donald correct . donald trump made was correct. he was right, wasn't he? >> yeah, but trump was clumsy. you you could equally you could you could equally argue trump's and argue that trump's clumsy and his are necessary. his rhetorics are necessary. look, donald trump look, i don't hate donald trump one bit, but you could you could equally he needs to equally argue that he needs to rein in little as well rein it in a little bit as well with rhetoric. with his rhetoric. >> it worked. it worked. >> so since he that, which >> so since he said that, which countries started countries have started chiselling more quid, chiselling in a few more quid, 30 have now chipped in 30 countries have now chipped in or a lot of them chipped >> so a lot of them are chipped in so since he said that in now. so since he said that there's so that's there's been action so that's there's been action so that's the hustler. >> hustler. >> hustler. >> yeah. yeah. >> yeah. yeah. >> oh yeah. no definitely yes. yes it's worked. it has. yes it has. it's worked. it has. well i'm not sure. >> there are even 30 countries in well i can't

>> well whatever i can't remember remember, remember what i can't remember, but countries but there the other countries are get our are in nato. we'll get our producer to check that for us. but i take your point though. >> they have definitely >> no, no, they have definitely they've shamed pub they've been shamed is a pub quiz question you. quiz question for you. >> nato never >> do you know why nato never helped the brits with the falklands? >> never think >> why did nato never think about it? >> it's to about it? >> it's m about it? ms >> it's going to be bad. no, because the north atlantic. because it's the north atlantic. the falklands the south the falklands was in the south atlantic or in a different, different region completely . no, different region completely. no, it's if there's a it's only it's only if there's a it's only if a member is attacked in the nonh north atlantic. it's a geographical . geographical thing. >> i didn't know that. >> i didn't know that. >> how many? >> how many? >> 31. so in my head i'm thinking 31 countries. you're right. >> but it's, that's the point. >> well once again you're the unbreakable all >> well once again you're the unb nato)le all >> well once again you're the unb nato countries all >> well once again you're the unb nato countries have all >> well once again you're the unb nato countries have made all >> well once again you're the unb nato countries have made is. the nato countries have made is that of them on that if one of them on everything . everything. >> sorry, christine, i'm gonna have the word. this have the last word. listen, this show you and show is nothing without you and your they're just your views. they're just babbling. them. so babbling. the two of them. so let's british voices. let's welcome british voices. their opportunity to the their opportunity to be on the show tell what they show and tell us what they really think about the topics we're discussing. i've got four of going to with of you. i'm going to start with juue of you. i'm going to start with julie chair. julie ford in bedford chair. juue julie ford in bedford chair. julie ford in bedford chair. julie ford was keir starmer julie ford was a keir starmer right to have a go at trump or

kind of drop in a slight sort of insult. >> no, absolutely not. and i think he's done it from across the water because otherwise he'd be a bit scared to say it to his face. um, but i think, you know, i agree with and christine i agree with danny and christine at of the day, these are at the end of the day, these are our allies. start poking our allies. if you start poking the where is that going the bear, where is that going to end is that going end up and where is that going to us? the thing with to leave us? the thing with trump, you know, lot of people trump, you know, a lot of people don't him. but what is it don't like him. but what is it about him that they don't don't like him. but what is it aboutfor him that they don't don't like him. but what is it about for me,�*|im that they don't don't like him. but what is it about for me, he's:hat they don't don't like him. but what is it about for me, he's somebody on't like? for me, he's somebody who's come into politics from a business perspective. so he has a business mind. so he has done something for reaction because he wanted something to happen to get done. he needed these people to pay up. i haven't seen keir starmer getting people to pay. >> all of a sudden trump says something they paid. >> they pay exactly method >> they pay exactly whose method is working ? trump >> they pay exactly whose method is working? trump or >> they pay exactly whose method is working ? trump or starmer? is working? trump or starmer? it's trump. go to gareth it's trump. let's go to gareth wyn jones. he's there in snowdonia. wyn jones. he's there in sncyeah ia. wyn jones. he's there in sncyeah it's really interesting >> yeah it's really interesting isn't it. >> you know , if keir comes in, >> you know, if keir comes in, how is he going to face donald trump if he becomes the president that's that should be

an interesting first meeting. >> americans are our friends >> the americans are our friends and we need to keep them closer and we need to keep them closer and closer because it's tricky times. >> now we have to stick together. and i think, you know , together. and i think, you know, people are trying to push the left right divide while left and the right divide while the majority of people are just middle of the road. and i think this is really important. we have to watch how people push these narratives because it causes major problems. and whoever is voted into america or to great britain, they should take control and start bringing together to build a better britain and america , agreed britain and america, agreed jacqui samson , you're there in jacqui samson, you're there in saint albans, jackie. >> hello. i don't view it as an attack. >> um, because it wasn't direct, but without a doubt from a diplomatic point of view , it was diplomatic point of view, it was very clumsy. >> how ever. i don't think keir starmer is wrong to air concerns that an alliance should be about an alliance pushing each other. >> but then again, donald trump is right in saying everybody

should be paying their way. >> mhm mhm. good good point. now david palmer in watford david i just another bit of just think it's another bit of postulating by keir starmer because he thinks he can flex his muscles. >> so he's going to be the next prime minister um i think he thinks same thinks himself the same character actually as , character in love actually as, as minister who stood as the prime minister who stood up to americans as nasty up to the americans as nasty people , forgetting have people, forgetting they have always the, uh, the posse always been the, uh, the posse of the world, they've gone in and support everyone. and we do need to support each other in nato and stop paying off people . nato and stop paying off people. he's doing it again now. he says, oh, everyone's upset with me. i'm going support me. i'm going to support a ceasefire because everyone's upset and i'll lose the upset with me and i'll lose the muslim vote. so he's trying to find anyway every way. find votes anyway in every way. yeah you try and please everyone. >> please no and >> you please no one, and then you everyone. that's you lose everyone. and that's what's going on there. listen, thank much to you. julie thank you so much to you. julie ford from bedfordshire. gareth thank you so much to you. julie fordjones bedfordshire. gareth thank you so much to you. julie ford jones bedenowdonia, reth thank you so much to you. julie fordjones bedenowdonia, jackie ben jones and snowdonia, jackie sampson from saint albans and david watford thank david bohm in watford. thank you so well listen stay so much. right. well listen stay tuned. up, cliff bates tuned. coming up, cliff bates and this time it's sadiq khan who's spotlight. and who's in the spotlight. and of course it'll be time for

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listening to gb news radio. >> so welcome back . right now >> so welcome back. right now i'm nana akua tomorrow i might be somebody else, but we are loving here on gb news 49 minutes after 5:00 and it's time for clip bait. and this week the clip that caught my eye. the conservatives were quick to pounce on a sadiq khan's freudian slip became apparent. have a listen. i'm only going upon what i've read in the media so i've not seen the transcripts. >> but as far as i'm concerned, that sort of language is unacceptable and it certainly shouldn't a shouldn't be acceptable in a party like mine. >> uh, that is proud to be both anti—racist but also anti—semitic. >> and we'll come back to some. >> and we'll come back to some. >> no, but we should have played the other bit because he actually then says, oh, no. and he corrects himself just to let you yeah. so that's you know. so yeah. so that's what right? what he said, right? >> point, didn't he.

>> freud had a point, didn't he. >> freud had a point, didn't he. >> he did correct himself, >> then he did correct himself, but not after he sort of went back presenter. think back to the presenter. i think that on the bbc. and that was a clip on the bbc. and then he corrected himself. danny, was a bit of maybe danny, that was a bit of a maybe a true word, said in jest, not that was jest. that that was in jest. >> you're going to >> and you're going back to freud those years ago . freud all those years ago. >> had a point, didn't >> well, he had a point, didn't he? slip. ever i >> well, he had a point, didn't he? slip. everi saw he? freudian slip. if ever i saw one heard one. one or heard one. >> that's he seems to be like >> so that's he seems to be like a cat with a thousand lives, because his latest new renaming of tube lines, the windrush of the tube lines, the windrush line, mean, in fairness, line, i mean, in fairness, everybody make a mistake . everybody can make a mistake. >> can't who it was. >> i can't remember who it was. there's bbc presenter there's some bbc presenter got jeremy name wrong . jeremy hunt's name wrong. >> yeah, but that's. >> yeah, but that's. >> what did they call him? >> what did they call him? >> well, no , we can't say that. >> well, no, we can't say that. you know perfectly well, danny of show. you know perfectly well, danny of stop|ow. you know perfectly well, danny of stop being naughty. >> stop being naughty. >> stop being naughty. >> off right now. it's time >> sent off right now. it's time for supplement sunday, my for supplement sunday, when my panel of the panel and i discuss some of the news that caught their news stories that caught their eye. uh let's start with, um, joining me, christine hamilton and danny kelly. i'm going to start christine start with you, christine hamilton . hamilton. >> t“ n e i mean, >> oh, well, this i mean, honestly, it was april, honestly, if it was april, i'd think was full a vanity. think it was a full a vanity. the trained people who should be

running they have taken running trains, they have taken it in head to issue it in their head to issue a menopausal pack to people that they think are menopausal or perimenopausal. i am not making this up. the pack includes a fan handy for hot sweats, a jelly babyin handy for hot sweats, a jelly baby in case you feel like biting someone's head off tissue. if you're feeling a bit emotional, a paper clip to help you keep it all together for a tea bag because tea makes everything better. a pencil to write down the things you might forget and a penny to bring you. good luck. i mean, this is unbelievable . they're supposed unbelievable. they're supposed to be operating trains and they're dishing this patronising garbage out to men to women that they think we'll be giving it to men, too shortly. it's just unbelievable . unbelievable. >> well, know it's absurd. >> well, i know it's absurd. >> well, i know it's absurd. >> an april it's >> it's an april fool. it's just patronising rubbish. >> yeah. danny kelly okay. >> yeah. danny kelly okay. >> the most horrible breed of dog ever created by man excel, a bully. and it was genetically modified by man. okay a bloodless dog. these things are the devil incarnate. i hate the

damn things. and even with a muzzle , it's managed to sort of muzzle, it's managed to sort of remove its muzzle and attack a horse. and the horse has been violently ripped apart . and this violently ripped apart. and this thing had a muzzle on. now the law says you've got to the muzzle. it got past the muzzle , muzzle. it got past the muzzle, got to the muzzle, it got through the muzzle. and of course, you know how sensitive horses horses most horses are. horses the most sensitive to be sensitive animal ever. and to be attacked that is attacked by something that is chomping knees and everything. >> and they okay, no, >> and they thought, okay, no, the horses , it's not going to be the horses, it's not going to be put anything, but it's put down or anything, but it's in a bad way. >> it's in a bad way anyway. so that's the xl bully and the owners are obeying the law. walking the damn thing with a muzzle. damage can do muzzle. the damage it can do with it's unbelievable. >> i don't think horrible dogs are allowed that dog. are allowed to have that dog. horrible. animal, are allowed to have that dog. horriblbut animal, are allowed to have that dog. horriblbut it's animal, are allowed to have that dog. horriblbut it's like animal, are allowed to have that dog. horriblbut it's like aanimal, are allowed to have that dog. horriblbut it's like a wild al, really. but it's like a wild animal. like a line animal. it's like having a line in house. well, this one, in your house. well, this one, paul duddridge talked my paul duddridge talked about. my supplement trump, supplement is donald trump, who's gold. who's promoting his gold. never surrender. trainers for surrender. hi, top trainers for $399. brilliant. because obviously they've tried to cap his and his way of making money and they've literally on for they've he's literally on for about half a billion. so he's now set this up at 399. would

you buy a pair, danny. >> no, but when i come down to london every sunday, i see lots of people who would walk around in a of these trainers. in a pair of these trainers. they're ghastly. it's the sort of that in london of thing that i think in london you'd i don't think you'd you'd see. i don't think you'd see of the country. >> i can see lot of people in >> i can see a lot of people in england they might england buying they might not buy because got the buy them because they've got the trump but buy gold trump on them, but buy gold trainers. yes. trainers. gosh, yes. >> right. gold trainers, especially flashing especially with flashing lights on but he's never ceases to >> but he's never ceases to amaze innovation. amaze me with his innovation. extraordinary. think he's extraordinary. and i think he's absolutely to absolutely right. i'm going to buy pair can find buy myself a pair if i can find someone because never someone because they never surrender gold. surrender their bright gold. they're emblazoned with a t american detail on the back american flag detail on the back and a red and white sole . and and a red and white sole. and he's hopeful that he can make a stop a sneaker con on his way to political rally to promote his new branded footwear. so his plan is obviously to raise some to money pay for actually keep financing campaign as well, financing his campaign as well, because literally trying because they're literally trying to him from doing that. to stop him from doing that. anyone radio, anyone who's listening on radio, we trump there we actually have trump there with i think with his new trainers. i think they're fetching . they're quite fetching. >> think great. >> i think they're great. i mean, think they're lovely mean, i think they're lovely gold trainers. i don't know, i

want a pair with trump on them, gold trainers. i don't know, i wani a pair with trump on them, gold trainers. i don't know, i wani wouldn'tth trump on them, gold trainers. i don't know, i wani wouldn't mind np on them, gold trainers. i don't know, i wani wouldn't mind a) on them, gold trainers. i don't know, i wani wouldn't mind a pairthem, gold trainers. i don't know, i wani wouldn't mind a pair with , but i wouldn't mind a pair with a on never mind. a union flag on never mind. >> david lammy happy. a union flag on never mind. >> ohyid lammy happy. a union flag on never mind. >> oh don't. lammy happy. >> oh don't. >> oh don't. >> he would, would them. >> he would, he would suit them. >> he would, he would suit them. >> think ? >> you think? >> you think? >> yeah i mean again , going back >> yeah i mean again, going back to a serious point, there are some people who just have this pathological disposition towards hating it's just so, hating the guy and it's just so, you he's done things , you know, yes, he's done things, but please, you know, objectively could be the president. let's get on with him. well biden hasn't him. yeah. well biden hasn't exactly himself . exactly excelled himself. >> one from les in >> has this one from les in newcastle . les why love les. newcastle. les why we love les. he says trump was indeed so very much correct in his strong words about nato coughing up about nato members coughing up his last speak up was about russian gas in germany. and look how that turned out. well, trump was right. wasn't he, when it came to that as well. lots of you've been getting in touch with your thoughts as well. but i've messages. i've lost a lot of my messages. >> of a poop >> is that an emoji of a poop that was getting i was getting that was getting i was getting that ready dale. that ready for jim dale. >> surprise when he says >> it's a surprise when he says something ridiculous. >> got a bit used >> we've kind of got a bit used to now, haven't we? i

to trump now, haven't we? i mean, when he first started with his extraordinary outbursts and everything, we really were quite shocked. think, shocked. but now you just think, well, that's trump. >> it's a like simon >> well it's a bit like simon cowell did the x factor cowell when he did the x factor and he told people how bad and then he told people how bad they america. can they were in america. i can remember watched remember when they first watched that, like, my god. that, they were like, oh my god. and we've got to it. and now we've got used to it. you've accepted you can be criticised. the criticised. yeah. and that's the waywe've got over the shop. do >> we've got over the shop. do you think biden's going to be the nomination? you think biden's going to be the nonfortion? you think biden's going to be the non for the ? you think biden's going to be the non for the democratic. >> no. for the democratic. >> no. for the democratic. >> all the my, >> he's going to go all the my, my informed view. of course my well informed view. of course he's all the way he's going to go all the way through because if through the process because if they now, we get they they pull him now, we get they get kamala they don't get kamala harris and they don't want they're going put get kamala harris and they don't wantall they're going put get kamala harris and they don't wantall the 'hey're going put get kamala harris and they don't wantall the way re going put get kamala harris and they don't wantall the way through. put get kamala harris and they don't wantall the way through. thent him all the way through. then they realise, my they will suddenly realise, my goodness, it. goodness, he's not up to it. well, thank you well, listen, thank you very much that. well, listen, thank you very mu christina t. well, listen, thank you very mu christina will not be a >> christina will not be a candidate author candidate panel author and broadcaster christine hamilton, thank much, christine. thank you so much, christine. you do this every time. that's thank you so much, christine. you christine, lery time. that's thank you so much, christine. you christine, that'sne. that's thank you so much, christine. you christine, that's danny. t's thank you so much, christine. you chrand e, that's danny. t's thank you so much, christine. you chrand broadcaster|ny.t's hamilton. >> thought you were going >> oh, i thought you were going to too much of danny kelly. to talk too much of danny kelly. >> and thank you for you at home for look forward for your company. i look forward to you time, same for your company. i look forward to next'ou time, same for your company. i look forward to next week time, same for your company. i look forward to next week at time, same for your company. i look forward to next week at 3:00�*, same for your company. i look forward to next week at 3:00 oname place next week at 3:00 on saturday. don't forget to follow us i'll leave

us live on youtube. i'll leave you with the. weather. >> looks like things are heating up boxt boiler is sponsors of weather on gb news . weather on gb news. >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we hold on to unsettled weather across the uk over the next few days. all some rain at days. all seeing some rain at times staying mild for the times but staying mild for the times but staying mild for the time being. at this time being. at least this weather fronts outbreaks weather fronts pushed outbreaks of south—east weather fronts pushed outbreaks of england south—east weather fronts pushed outbreaks of england the south—east weather fronts pushed outbreaks of england the course east weather fronts pushed outbreaks of england the course of ;t of england during the course of the so we've the afternoon. so we've got a ridge pressure building ridge of high pressure building in quieting in from the west, quieting things down for the overnight period. but further rains gathering west period. but further rains gatrthat] west period. but further rains gatrthat will west period. but further rains gatrthat will move west period. but further rains gatrthat will move in west period. but further rains gatrthat will move in acrossest period. but further rains gatrthat will move in across the and that will move in across the far uk as we far north—west of the uk as we head overnight head into the overnight period. elsewhere though, showers will tend ease through the tend to ease through the evening. we'll lots clear evening. we'll see lots of clear weather, sunny, quite misty though, patches though, with some fog patches across wales and across parts of wales and the south—west during south—west of england during the early falling on from early hours. falling on from that band, see that rain band, we'll see showers turning blustery showers turning quite blustery there towards the far north—west. morning. north—west. by the morning. quite temperatures quite a mild night. temperatures down 4 or 5 degrees across down to 4 or 5 degrees across rural of scotland, but rural parts of scotland, but elsewhere the high rural parts of scotland, but elsewrfigures the high rural parts of scotland, but elsewrfigures as the high rural parts of scotland, but elsewrfigures as for the high rural parts of scotland, but elsewrfigures as for monday,1igh single figures as for monday, well, outbreaks of rain continue their journey south eastwards

across and wales and across england and wales and weakening all the while so giving some patchy rain across the far southeast into the afternoon. in elsewhere, it's a day with a few day of sunshine with a few showers around. those showers quite north quite blustery towards the north and but once and west of scotland, but once again mild day for the again it's a mild day for the time of year. temperatures mostly figures, 9 or mostly in double figures, 9 or 10 best in the north, 10 degrees at best in the north, up to 13 or 14 celsius down towards the south—east as for tuesday, further wet and tuesday, we'll further wet and windy will move in windy weather will move in across north—west of the uk across the north—west of the uk towards the south east, towards the south and east, though a quieter picture, a though it's a quieter picture, a bit but plenty bit breezy but plenty of sunshine staying sunshine around and staying quite the of year . quite mild for the time of year. outbreaks their way quite mild for the time of year. outbr(eastwards their way quite mild for the time of year. outbr(eastwards later their way quite mild for the time of year. outbr(eastwards later ttuesday south eastwards later on tuesday and stays and it then stays quite unsettled on wednesday and thursday, colder thursday, but turning colder towards north later . that towards the north later. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of weather on boilers, sponsors of weather on gb news .

arresting a 42 year old woman on suspicion of murder following the deaths of three children in bristol . officers attended a bristol. officers attended a concern for welfare call in blaze walk in sea mills this afternoon . they say the suspect afternoon. they say the suspect is currently in police custody at a hospital . the force said it at a hospital. the force said it was contacting the iopc due to pnor was contacting the iopc due to prior police contact . while sir prior police contact. while sir keir starmer has called for a permanent ceasefire in gaza dunng permanent ceasefire in gaza during a speech at the scottish labour conference, it's a chance change rather to his previous stance of a pause in the fighting, saying instead the war must stop now. but he says the ceasefire can't be one sided, calling on hamas to release all of its remaining hostages. he

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