>> good evening. it's 9:00 on television, on radio and online, in the united kingdom and across the world. >> this is mark dolan tonight coming up, in my big opinion. why are the conservatives losing 7 why are the conservatives losing .7 well, because they're not conservative anymore. i'll be deaung conservative anymore. i'll be dealing with the tories identity crisis in just a moment. dealing with the tories identity crisis in just a moment . also, crisis in just a moment. also, sir flip flop strikes again a ceasefire that lasts . ceasefire that lasts. >> conference that is what must happen now. the fighting must stop now . stop now. >> we'll get reaction from ann widdecombe on keir starmers gaza u—turn . also in the big story is u—turn. also in the big story is immigration good for britain?

we'll be joined by a fearless academic who says no in my take. at ten, john lewis are in hot water for promoting a magazine which recommends breast binders for young girls. as britain's favourite department store. finally lost the plot. i'll be deaung finally lost the plot. i'll be dealing with this woke madness . dealing with this woke madness. at ten. also, tonight should william forgive prince harry and bnng william forgive prince harry and bring him back into the royal fold, we'll put that to legendary royal author angela levin. lots to get through. it's going to be a busy show. two hours of big opinion, big debate and big entertainment. i'll see you after headlines with ray you after the headlines with ray anderson . thank mark. anderson. thank mark. >> it's ray addison in the gb newsroom. and we start with some breaking news as well. avon and somerset police say 215 year old boys have been charged with murder . boys have been charged with

murder. that's after 16 year old darren williams died after being stabbed in a park in bristol on wednesday . stabbed in a park in bristol on wednesday. in a stabbed in a park in bristol on wednesday . in a statement, the wednesday. in a statement, the force said that darren died after being attacked in raunds park in the eastern area of the city. the boys, who have also each been charged with possessing a knife in a public place, currently remain in police custody and will appear at bristol youth court tomorrow. we'll bring you more on this developing story as we get it. well, staying with avon and somerset police and the force has referred itself to the independent police watchdog. that's after arresting a 42 year old woman on suspicion of murder following the deaths of three children in bristol. officers attended a concern for welfare. call in blaise walk in sea mills this afternoon. they say the suspect is currently in police custody at a hospital. one local woman says the family had two boys, aged around eight and six months and a girl aged around four. the force said it was contacting the iopc due to prior

police contact , as well . contacting the iopc due to prior police contact, as well . sir police contact, as well. sir keir starmer has called for a permanent ceasefire in gaza dunng permanent ceasefire in gaza during a speech at the scottish labour conference. it's a change to his previous stance of a pause in fighting, saying instead the war must stop now . instead the war must stop now. but he says the ceasefire can't be one sided. he's calling on hamas to release all of its remaining hostages. he also said a two state solution must be back on the table and an end to the fighting, not just now, not just for a pause, but permanently a ceasefire that lasts. >> conference . that is what must >> conference. that is what must happen now . the fighting must happen now. the fighting must stop now . stop now. >> and finally, the prince of wales has been attending the bafta film awards tonight , his bafta film awards tonight, his first high profile royal engagement since his wife's operation will liam, who is

president of the arts charity he stopped to take selfies with members of the public as he made his way down the red carpet. oppenheimer has won baftas for best film, best director, best actor and best supporting actor, whilst emma stone has won best actress for poor things. meanwhile, the zone of interest has won outstanding british film . well, for the latest stories sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news .com/ alerts . back now to . mark. my alerts. back now to. mark. my thanks to ray addison, who returns in an hour's time. >> welcome to a busy market, ellen. tonight, in my big opinion , why are the opinion, why are the conservatives losing ? well, conservatives losing? well, because they're not conservative anymore and i'll be dealing with the tories identity crisis in just moment. and we've got just a moment. and we've got a special guest in the big story. is immigration good for britain? we'll be joined by a fearless

academic who says no . also, academic who says no. also, should william forgive prince harry and bring him back into the royal fold, i'll be asking legendary royal author angela levin , my mark meets guest is levin, my mark meets guest is former blairite mp and celebrated diarist chris muller . celebrated diarist chris muller. is labour on the verge of another decade in power ? it another decade in power? it might take at ten. john lewis are in hot water for promoting a magazine which recommends breast binders for young girls. as britain's favourite department store finally lost the plot. i'll be dealing with this woke madness in no uncertain terms at 10:00. also tonight, with this call for a ceasefire in gaza today, has sir keir starmer caved in to pressure from the left of his party? ann widdecombe weighs in on another u—turn from our would be prime minister we've also got tomorrow's front pages at 1030 sharp, with three top pundits who haven't been told what to say and who don't follow the script. tonight, annunciator rees—mogg, neil parish and annie

mcdonald . plus the most mcdonald. plus the most important part of the show your emails, they come straight to my laptop. mark at gbh news.com and this show has a golden rule we don't do boring. not on my watch . i just won't have it. so a don't do boring. not on my watch . i just won't have it . so a big . i just won't have it. so a big two hours to come. lots of very special guests and we start out with my big opinion . a new poll with my big opinion. a new poll suggests the tories would have a better chance of winning the next election if they embraced traditional conservative values. this news is about as surprising as the pope's catholicism and the fact that bears relieve themselves in the woods . the themselves in the woods. the poll, commissioned by long standing conservative party supporter lady mcalpine, found that 8 in 10, one time conservatives those who have voted tory in the past but are now planning to back another party, agreed with the statement that the party would have a better chance of winning the

next election with someone who has more traditional conservative values than it does with rishi sunak . now, i don't with rishi sunak. now, i don't doubt that this is true, but the problem predates rishi sunak bofis problem predates rishi sunak boris johnson promised a political revolution in 2019, failed to materialise, with red wall seats levelled down rather than up, largely thanks to bojo's three disastrous national lockdowns and the economic catastrophe that followed. liz truss's blink and you'll miss it stint as prime minister and her gamble on growth was snuffed out by the blob. and yes, the bookish and managerial rishi sunak, the 21st century's answer to john major, has failed to get anyone's pulse racing , with the anyone's pulse racing, with the possible exception of mrs. sunak and who could disagree with britain's most fearless political academic professor matthew goodwin. taking to twitter on friday, he said to his army of followers the tories said they would lower migration,

then put it on steroids. the tories said they'd control the borders , then lost control. the borders, then lost control. the tories said we're sovereign but won't leave the echr . the tories won't leave the echr. the tories blame labour but won't change new labour law. the tories promise a new economy, then gave us more of the same. matt goodwin goes on this isn't hard. people people are leaving the tories because they were promised one thing only for the opposite to happen . well, opposite to happen. well, professor matthew goodwin joins me on the show in ten minutes time and whilst goodwin is right and the findings of this poll are unarguable, the choice in may or november of this year remains a simple one. conservative or labour? why is a country which this polling suggest it wants more robustly conservative policies about to deliver a labour government? well i think it's far from certain that they will, in our increasingly presidential

system, when faced with a choice of starmer and his u—turn and woke politics, varne versus sensible sunak, the kind of boy you'd happily bring home to meet your parents. it's no contest. the tories may be hated, and perhaps rightly so, but there's no great love for labour either. and frankly, i'm not sure that sunak has to shift to the right of attila the hun. all he's really got to do is deliver . of attila the hun. all he's really got to do is deliver. and i'd argue with the return of power sharing in stormont, reduce inflation, fewer illegal crossings and the avoidance of a deep economic downturn. sunak has done just that. he's only been there, don't forget, for over a year if rishi sunak can get growth up, stop the boats, tackle the debt and fix the nhs . tackle the debt and fix the nhs. and yes, remember why he became a conservative in the first place. he may prove a lot of people and the polls wrong .

people and the polls wrong. let's get reaction from my top panelin let's get reaction from my top panel in just a moment. but first, we're joined live for her first, we're joined live for her first ever appearance on mark dolan tonight by the woman who commissioned that poll, lady mcalpine, conservative party supporter and member of one of the country's foremost construction families, mcalpine . construction families, mcalpine. lady mcalpine. welcome to the show . what is your key takeaway show. what is your key takeaway from the polling that you commissioned . commissioned. >> golly. um the fact that you sound as though you were totally wrong. >> um. i'm fascinated. i could be everything you just said, but, um . the thing that comes but, um. the thing that comes loud and clear is that people want to go back to the what we call good old fashioned conservative values . they want conservative values. they want lower taxes , obviously. they lower taxes, obviously. they want to get rid of. they want to stop the boats. they want to sort out dress. they want to get rid of some of the civil servants . um, they just want

servants. um, they just want common sense and we haven't got it and we haven't had it for a long time. >> um, well, indeed . lady >> um, well, indeed. lady mcalpine, you've supported boris johnson in the past, but based upon his actions in high office, amazingly high levels of legal and illegal migration, eco zealotry, and three national lockdowns , was boris johnson lockdowns, was boris johnson really a proper conservative? >> yeah, i think he was . and i >> yeah, i think he was. and i think given if he was allowed to actually do what he wanted to do, we might get somewhere . i'm do, we might get somewhere. i'm i'm horrified by the negotiations going on behind , negotiations going on behind, behind the cabinet office. but what was going on in conservative head office, conservative head office, conservative central office was definitely making a hell of a difference to what was happening in the cabinet office. can't be right. like we need we need a squeaky clean new conservative

party >> lady mcalpine, you're. polling suggests that those who had previously voted conservative but are now disaffected would would look warmly upon a replacement to rishi sunak , someone with more rishi sunak, someone with more conservative values. would you like to see a change at the top? >> absolutely. yeah. well nobody voted for rishi and he might be a very nice man, but he's pretty useless as a prime minister. and, you know, i'm afraid what this poll shows, though, that wasn't published today, i think it's going in tomorrow, is that about 90% of the people who voted were quite happy that bofis voted were quite happy that boris back, because most people actually don't think he did that much wrong . and he didn't really much wrong. and he didn't really have a chance. he got us out of out of europe and then we got covid and then they stabbed him in the back . and i'm not just in the back. and i'm not just a bofis in the back. and i'm not just a boris apologiser or something,

but i really think we all felt that with someone as dynamic and charismatic as he had been when he was mayor of london, that he actually could make things work if he'd been able to put in place the people he needs to put in place to make it work. >> lady mcalpine, is it? sorry to interrupt you, lady mcalpine. is it conceivable that boris johnson could be placed in the house of lords and return as leader of the conservative party pnor leader of the conservative party prior to the next general election ? election? >> well, i wasn't thinking that, but yeah, i don't see why not. there are certainly an awful lot of people who would like him. yeah in the absence of boris johnson, who might make an appropriate replacement for rishi sunak, given the logistics of bringing back joe bojo . oh, of bringing back joe bojo. oh, dear. of bringing back joe bojo. oh, dear . um, the of bringing back joe bojo. oh, dear. um, the only one i can think of is rees—mogg. >> and why do you why do you why

do you suggest jacob rees—mogg ? do you suggest jacob rees—mogg? >> because he's got the brain and boris has got the brain and quite frankly , their brains quite frankly, their brains really are outstanding. and i'm and also although an awful lot of people complain about the way jacob speaks, but if he's speaking like that since he was ten years old, that it's really not a problem what he says is good fun and good sense. and he has a of he makes his has a way of he makes his audience, but he's actually , you audience, but he's actually, you know, he's intelligent . we need know, he's intelligent. we need intelligent , good all round intelligent, good all round intelligence . intelligence. >> lady mcalpine, he's been speaking like that since he was ten years old. he's been dressing like that as well. please stay with us, lady mcalpine, because his sister mcalpine, because his his sister is with us in the studio as one of my top pundits, former brexit party mep annunziata rees—mogg , party mep annunziata rees—mogg, farmer and ex tory mp neil pansh farmer and ex tory mp neil parish and trade unionist and political commentator andy macdonald. your reaction there?

annunziata rees—mogg to the suggestion by lady mcalpine that your brother jacob rees—mogg should be the leader of the conservative party? well i can confirm that he has been talking like that since he was ten years old, but he's ten years older than me, so i can't tell you before that. >> and would very, very >> and i would feel very, very sorry for his children. i think it a miserable life growing it is a miserable life growing up in downing street. i think it's a very hard life and i think there is so much negativity for a prime minister at moment that i wouldn't at the moment that i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy and actually he's a very nice brother. however, i think lady mcalpine done really mcalpine has done really amazingly good in getting amazingly good work in getting this poll undertaken by andrew hawkins, who is one of the most respected pollster in the country. it was a sample of over 13,000 people, which is far bigger than most of the polls. we see in our newspapers. and it demonstrates something that i think an awful lot of conservatives have been thinking ring and saying amongst themselves for a long, long time

that the conservative party needs to demonstrate, needs to express us and needs to enact real conservative common sense values in order to win. neil parish, your reaction to this polling and the comments of lady mcalpine ? mcalpine? >> she'd like to see rishi sunak evicted from number 10? >> well, i think we are in the conservative party. we've become a bit trigger happy and i think we're sort of very keen on on finishing off one leader and bringing on another, and i don't think it would make very much difference now at all, because i think, you know, if you're talking bright people, i talking about bright people, i would to that rishi would suggest to you that rishi sunak of the sunak is probably one of the brightest ministers we've brightest prime ministers we've ever he's got brains ever had. so he's got the brains for the job. if we see the taxes come down if we see interest come down and if we see interest rates come down and we actually get back as the poll get back as it's as the poll says conservative values, i says to conservative values, i think a real fight will be on. but of course, what you've got to be careful of is if you move too to right is exactly

too far to the right is exactly what the labour party want, because then and the because then they and the liberal democrats move in and take know , the more take the, you know, the more moderate tory vote. so in the end you'll end up if you're not careful trying to get more and more votes on the right and losing some in the centre ground. so leave it centre right. and i think rishi will get it right. and i am have every confidence in him . and i every confidence in him. and i think at the end of the day, the conservative party is the one that's unpopular here. and i think you'll find, i think we forget sometimes with boris johnson. um how unpopular he was when he came out of office. so you know, when, when he's out of office, we suddenly have a great deal of more sympathy for him. so, you know, let's keep going. um, and i believe the election is still there to be held , is still there to be held, however difficult it might be. >> andy mcdonald . this >> andy mcdonald. this psychodrama is great news for the left, great news for labour. >> yeah, yeah, i mean absolutely. if i was, uh, if i was in keir starmer's office,

i'd be, uh, i'd be bringing out the bubbly. i'd be very happy. you know, this just more you know, this is just more division amongst the conservative know, conservative party, you know, the by the fallout from these by elections enough elections already caused enough issues. rise issues. you know, a slight rise for they're one of for reform uk. they're one of their better results in by elections obviously that elections. so obviously that will up the right will be rearing up the right of the conservative but it's the conservative party. but it's not issue. it's not a personal issue. it's a brand issue. the conservative party have been in charge for 14 years they've made a lot of years and they've made a lot of mistakes. so not just mistakes. so it's not just wheeling through the leaders. you know, if you replace rishi, he'll know, he'll have had, you know, a fourth prime minister a terme fourth prime minister in a terme of years. it's the brand of five years. it's the brand that's damaged. what need that's damaged. what they need to just on, you know, to do is just work on, you know, trying get public trying to get the public services to where they services back to where they should take the should be and just take the defeat, they defeat, you know, like they should, then what they should, and then do what they want opposition. it's want to do in opposition. it's just ridiculous that, you know, lady mcalpine wants to get a new leader. she thinks that boris johnson in the back. johnson was stabbed in the back. what you know, he what by himself? you know, he lied covered up the chris lied and covered up the chris pincher scandal. i mean, it wasn't. it wasn't on wasn't. it wasn't stabbed on ba.2. wasn't. it wasn't stabbed on ba. briefly, you can. and the >> briefly, if you can. and the last word lady on theatre. >> i think they're both my

fellow are making a fellow panellists are making a fundamental mistake. is not fundamental mistake. it is not about brand , it's about about a brand, it's about principles. if the principles. and if the conservative party, whether under rishi sunak or anyone else, gets back to common sense conservative principles , then conservative principles, then they're in with a chance lady mcalpine, we disagree over rishi sunak, but i'm so grateful that you've joined us on the show. >> i hope the first of many appearances, the last appearances, you get the last word you can. word briefly if you can. >> all right . as far as i'm >> all right. as far as i'm concerned, if all the people who claim have conservative claim to have conservative values up and at the values just joined up and at the moment we were far too many factions , if they all got factions, if they all got together as as new conservatives and maybe help reform and reform, help them , we could reform, help them, we could still beat labour. that's all i'm going to say. >> uh, brilliant stuff . uh, my >> uh, brilliant stuff. uh, my thanks to lady mcalpine , who thanks to lady mcalpine, who commissioned that explosive poll. lots more to get through, let me tell you. keep those emails coming at gb news dot com. but next up in the big story is immigration good for

britain? we'll be joined by a fearless academic who has his doubts. plus in an exclusive mark dolan tonight people's poll, we've been asking would a change of leader save the tories 7 change of leader save the tories ? well, the results are in and i shall reveal all

radio. >> welcome back to the show. i'll get to your emails very shortly , but we've been shortly, but we've been conducting an exclusive mark dolan tonight people's poll. we've been asking, would a change of leader save the tories? 35.9% say yes. but a damning 64.1% say no . so it's damning 64.1% say no. so it's time now for the big story. and it's been revealed that uk companies are now looking to foreign workers because managers have found it so difficult to attract british staff. the economist max mosley told the telegraph newspaper that international workers are propping up the labour market. more than 9 million people of working age have quit the jobs

market, and the number of companies registering to become sponsors to hire over staff sea staff overseas. i should say, has doubled in the past two years. meanwhile, the times newspaper report that the home office is facing unprecedented demand for work visas before the rise in the minimum salary threshold . in april, 169,000 threshold. in april, 169,000 work visas were offered last yean work visas were offered last year, so whilst the debate rages about current levels of legal net migration, last year, almost 700,000 people in. is immigration good or bad for britain? well, politics professor and best selling author matthew goodwin, who is the author of one of the uk's biggest substacks at matthew goodwin. org always a must read . goodwin. org always a must read. well, i'm delighted to say that matthew goodwin joins me now. matthew, good to see you in the studio. going to be studio. you're going to be hosting live debate studio. you're going to be hostinthis live debate studio. you're going to be hostinthis on live debate studio. you're going to be hostinthis on the ve debate studio. you're going to be hostinthis on the 18th ebate studio. you're going to be hostinthis on the 18th of ate studio. you're going to be hostinthis on the 18th of march. about this on the 18th of march. we'll get the details in a moment, in short, what's moment, but in short, what's your view? immigration good moment, but in short, what's yo bad ew? immigration good moment, but in short, what's yo bad for’ immigration good moment, but in short, what's yo bad for the mmigration good moment, but in short, what's yo bad for the country? on good or bad for the country? >> well, kind of immigration

>> well, the kind of immigration that we have mass that we have now mass immigration, skill immigration, low skill immigration, low skill immigration, low skill immigration, low migration, immigration, low wage migration, i for britain. i think is bad for britain. >> you remember the 2019 general election? boris johnson said , election? boris johnson said, we're going to get high skill, high wage , highly selective high wage, highly selective migration , which is going to migration, which is going to drive productivity drive innovation. australian points based , australian based points, based, australian based points, points system. >> what we got actually was, was the opposite the the opposite of that. the conservatives , i would argue, conservatives, i would argue, really failed on migration. and what they've given is an what they've given us is, is an economy that is really based mark on lots low skilled, low mark on lots of low skilled, low wage migration from outside of europe you look at the europe. now, if you look at the latest that been latest studies that have been done, university done, the university of amsterdam in denmark, sweden, they say the same thing, the they all say the same thing, the kind of migration that we are now dependent upon takes more out the economy than it puts out of the economy than it puts into the economy . so that's why into the economy. so that's why i'm arguing that this kind of mass migration is bad for britain. and also fundamentally, mark, it's not just about what it adds or takes away from the economy. it's bad for the country in terms of pressure on pubuc . country in terms of pressure on public . it's worsening public services. it's worsening the almost the housing crisis. almost all

of evidence recently shows of the evidence recently shows that clearly, and that quite clearly, and culturally, i think it just makes people feel very anxious about the direction of society. how are we going to hold this country we're country together when we're going scale of going through this scale of change at this speed? and i think that's why many people , i think that's why many people, i think that's why many people, i think watching the show will be thinking not right here. >> what that >> what about that well—established correlation between a growing economy and a rising population? yeah. >> so it's interesting . we just >> so it's interesting. we just had the latest economic data and you know, the argument you have more have gdp. more people, you have more gdp. i that's basically how it i mean, that's basically how it works. but gdp per head productivity person productivity per person is actually going down. why is actually going down. now why is that happening? one reason i would argue , is because we are would argue, is because we are basically now in an era where we've got mass immigration for the next 20, 30 years, built into the forecasts. it's the wrong kind of migration. it's not productive migration. it's basically low wage workers coming in to keep big business happy, to keep their profit margins high, to keep labour costs low and to keep consumption high. but it's not

actually generating good, robust, meaningful growth. so what i'm saying we need is a completely different kind of conversation about immigration in this country. because to be frank, most people out there in the country , not the people the country, not the people watching this show, they're clued into politics. they know what's most people out what's going on. most people out there even figured out there haven't even figured out what's going in the country what's going on in the country at moment. and that's why at the moment. and that's why we're big debate. we're having this big debate. >> why have the conservatives allowed happen? because allowed this to happen? because that brexit, that was the promise of brexit, wasn't of our wasn't it? control of our borders that, of that, you borders of that, of that, you know, ties with stopping the know, ties in with stopping the boats illegal immigration. boats and illegal immigration. but of is but the implication of brexit is that overall numbers that overall migration numbers would drop. why have the tories let this happen ? let this happen? >> to honest, mark, it's >> to be honest, mark, it's because the conservatives don't really understand who's voting for them today and the conservative parliamentary party leans much further to the cultural left than the average voter . so they are basically voter. so they are basically comfortable with legal migration. look, i've been at this level. i've been at dinners with cabinet ministers and what they'll the real they'll say to you is the real issue is the boats stopping the

boats. well, actually, we've had 112,000 people come into the country on the small since country on the small boats since 2018, way too high. 2018, which is way too high. it's we should leave any it's a joke. we should leave any international convention that stops us from controlling the echr. i would argue that we should, but 112,000 is nothing compared to the 1.2 million people who came in via legal migration routes over the last two years. how many of those came to work? about 15. the rest were students, relatives of students. the relatives of workers or asylum seekers. migrants coming in on humanitarian routes. so look, some immigration is good. high skill immigration is good migration that genuinely benefits the nhs. fine i don't have a problem with that. what i have a problem with that. what i have a problem with that. what i have a problem with is this model of mass migration based on low skill, low wage migration from outside of europe , which is from outside of europe, which is weakening, not strengthened british society. >> is there . a case for a five >> is there. a case for a five year pause on all immigration in order for britain's infrastructure, for housing to

support school places, nhs capacity to recover, to catch 7 up. up? >> yeah, well, my argument would be that somehow we need to break this elite consensus. so we've we've got both the labour party and the conservative party. and i'd also add big business committed to ongoing mass migration for the future. just look at the forecasts from the office for budget responsibility and others . they are now and others. they are now assuming we're going have at assuming we're going to have at least net net migration of at least net net migration of at least year, going least 300,000 each year, going forward. so we need to break this. maybe we should have a 3 to 5 year break on migration and say, let's just absorb the mass migration of the last 20 years. or maybe let's have a referendum. let's see what the british people want in terms of net migration. and i would argue what they want is net migration. maybe of between 50,000 and 100,000 a year, not 700,000 a yeah 100,000 a year, not 700,000 a year. i think the average british voter mark is out there thinking, i accept we need some migration. we have an ageing population . we need to keep population. we need to keep things like the nhs and so on ticking over. but i people

ticking over. but i think people are looking at these numbers. here's another number over the next years, going to next 12 years, we're going to have people added have 6.6 million people added to this , 6.1 million of this country, 6.1 million of those will be because of migration. so what does that mean ? we're going have five. mean? we're going to have five. what is equivalent to five cities the size of birmingham , cities the size of birmingham, or 70% of the way to another london in 12 years? mark. so that's currently what we're going to see based on official official forecasts from the office for national statistic six, somebody in government needs to get their arms around this issue . and firstly somebody this issue. and firstly somebody needs to answer this question. if mass migration is so good for britain, if it's so good for the economy, why is our growth so slow ? and why is gdp per head slow? and why is gdp per head a key measure? why is it so weak? because we've had mass migration for 20 years. nobody in the treasury or government seems to be able to answer my question. why are we seeing this weak economy after 20 years of mass migration? if it is a silver bullet that we're often told it

is, why are the political left so pro—immigration , given that so pro—immigration, given that unsustainable levels often impact poorer communities ? the impact poorer communities? the greatest? i think it's a great question , and i think the left question, and i think the left views immigration as a luxury belief. it's an issue they use to project their sense of moral righteousness, their virtue. but you're absolutely right, mark. i mean , robert putnam, one of the mean, robert putnam, one of the world's most esteemed professors, has shown this in in countries that experience large scale migration, which are very diverse levels of trust are lower. and you also get a big pressure on the welfare system because people become less willing to pay tax into into the collective pot because they don't really know who they're supporting through the welfare system. you know, why is it, for example, that the british taxpayer should be happy to pay money into the collective pot while also seeing things like the protests after october 7th? or you know, criminal gangs in london or abdul ezedi idi running around the country or, you know, pouring acid over a

poor family , even though he was poor family, even though he was already a convicted sex offender. the british offender. i think the british people very sense people have a very strong sense of play , and i think what of fair play, and i think what they feel now is that that that principle of fair play is consisting , being violated, not consisting, being violated, not just by illegal migrants. and so on, but actually by their leaders, by people who are supposed to put the british people before illegal migrants and a system that's clearly broken. >> well, matthew, stay with us. let me bring in my top pundits into this conversation. annunciator rees—mogg, andy macdonald and neil parish . andy, macdonald and neil parish. andy, what do you think is a sensible number for legal net migration annually ? annually? >> well, i think it'd fluctuate every year. you know, at the moment in construction we are lacking 50,000 skilled workers. so you know, if you look at construction, we need more migrants because realistically, the education system pushes people towards university rather than learning a trade. so in construction we need more migrants. if you , you migrants. but then if you, you know, at hospitality, know, you look at hospitality, you'd but

know, you look at hospitality, you'cif but know, you look at hospitality, you'cif you but know, you look at hospitality, you'cif you look but know, you look at hospitality, you'cif you look at but know, you look at hospitality, you'cif you look at the but know, you look at hospitality, you'cif you look at the policet then if you look at the police service, you'd need less migrants. so, you know, there are across different are challenges across different industries. are challenges across different induswhy. get brits to are challenges across different indthesel. get brits to are challenges across different indthese jobs get brits to are challenges across different indthese jobs ? get brits to are challenges across different indthese jobs ? because rits to got do these jobs? because we've got an education system that tries to overintellectualize and push people into academia . mm. that's why. >> yeah , yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> then they'll turn out like matthew goodwin. that could be. it could be worse. what do you think about this neil parish, your reaction to what matthew goodwin to you think goodwin had to say? do you think immigration good britain? immigration is good for britain? >> think what matthew >> i mean, i think what matthew says principle absolutely says in principle is absolutely right that the problem is in, in practice, that since sort of covid, we've had what millions of workers not come back into the workplace . and so, you know, the workplace. and so, you know, i mean, the government get lambasted for too much migration, but they would also get lambasted if there was nobody to care for the nhs, nobody to care for the nhs, nobody to care for the nhs, nobody to work in the care home. so we rely far too much on migrant labour. i get that entirely. but we do have to do something about our training systems and making sure that

people will can do those jobs . people will can do those jobs. but, you know, you take, um, having workers to pick vegetables and fruit. we do need , albeit they come in on a temporary basis. um, those are very much needed because when we try to get local workforce almost impossible . so, i mean, almost impossible. so, i mean, it's a great principle, but if you talk to a lot of the employers and perhaps say, bring in migration on labour too easily, i accept that . but easily, i accept that. but you'll find very difficult to employ sometimes. our own workers. so it's not quite as simple as the principle of it. >> annunciator. i mean, many would argue we do have an ageing population . we need young blood. population. we need young blood. plus we are a country that's always welcomed. people from overseas, you know, in the past few years you've had ukrainians, people from hong kong coming to this country, syrians as well. and the point is that if immigration came down to zero, the nhs would probably collapse overnight. >> we can't afford to keep running the nhs.

>> we can't afford to keep running the nhs . the care system running the nhs. the care system are farming or anything else. is are farming or anything else. is a ponzi scheme and just constantly bringing in new workers to feed the top end pay outs is never going to be sustainable. we would have to keep growing this country ad finitum , and we'd have to be finitum, and we'd have to be adding a birmingham every few months . we cannot do it. we months. we cannot do it. we cannot justify doing it for the people who are already here, and we don't have the space or the wherewithal to be able to also fundamentally be the wrong thing to do. but both of my fellow panellists are correct that we completely need to change our training system . we need to put training system. we need to put money into training our own doctors so that we're not stealing the brightest and the best from other countries, but that bringing own. that we're bringing on our own. the other side of that is that this massive effect this is having a massive effect on wages , is that they are on wages, is that they are constantly under pressure from importing cheaper foreign labourers, meaning that it's not even often worthwhile for our own people doing the jobs

because they can be undercut. we need to restructure our the economy so that we actually train and rely on british workers for british jobs. >> well, we can agree on that brilliant stuff. let me tell you that. matthew goodwin's substack is one of the most popular in the country . regular articles the country. regular articles about the state of our politics andifs about the state of our politics and it's a substack. you can be found at matt goodwin org. so head over there. matt goodwin.org for the substack and the debates at hand. is immigration good for britain? well, matthew will be debating this alongside constant kissing polly toynbee and aaron bastani . polly toynbee and aaron bastani. on the 18th of march at 7 pm. at the emmanuel centre in london. tickets available via eventbrite. my thanks to professor matthew goodwin. okay, coming up, should william forgive prince harry and bring him back into the royal fold , him back into the royal fold, we'll put that to legendary royal author angela levin, who joins me live in the

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listening to gb news radio. >> welcome back. now buckingham palace aides have reportedly told the daily telegraph newspaper that there is a 0% chance that prince harry could return to a temporary role working for the royal family dunng working for the royal family during his father's illness. clearly, charles's judgement will influence harry's fate, but what about his brother william? should the prince of wales forgive harry and bring him back into the royal fold? is it time for the brothers to bury the hatchet? let's get the views of renowned royal biographer angela levin. angela lovely to see you on a sunday evening. thank you. welcome back from your holiday. ihope welcome back from your holiday. i hope was restful. um, king i hope it was restful. um, king charles seems to be a touch more sympathetic to harry. would sympathetic to harry. it would appear is the tough appear that william is the tough nut to crack . nut to crack. >> well, fathers can love their sons , but not like what they're sons, but not like what they're doing . doing. >> but i think brothers can really have a go at each other and i think that william is much

more furious with harry because of the things that he's said about his wife. i think like a lot of couples , you can take lot of couples, you can take something , but actually the something, but actually the person you love, princess catherine, does nothing wrong. she tries very hard. she's a perfect example of a young royal, um, that it's very, very painful. and she's not used to that. painful. and she's not used to that . she comes from a painful. and she's not used to that. she comes from a very stable , loving family. and to be stable, loving family. and to be called all sorts of things very , called all sorts of things very, very rude and unpleasant, um, and specially written down. varne. uh, i don't think he can possibly forgive that. and i think he also feels very strongly about the monarchy. and you can't call them racist. you know, these are things that have been dropped. and one minute they say, no, they didn't call everybody racist, and the next minute they are, the minute minute they are, the next minute it's then there's it's one person. then there's two it's very unstable, two people. it's very unstable, but everyone feel very but it makes everyone feel very stressed about it. and i think that he's behaved so badly to

the late queen, his grandmother . the late queen, his grandmother. um, and i think that's another reason why william adored his grandmother. harry was supposed to, but harry sort of, um, made her life very difficult in the last months . but demanding money last months. but demanding money when knowing that she was ill and putting on the oprah winfrey show . so when the late duke of show. so when the late duke of edinburgh was in hospital, very ill again, and it's sort of not actually thinking about anybody else, it's the me me me situation and he's not going to have any of it. >> of course, the sussexes would argue that they hold princess catherine in the highest regard . catherine in the highest regard. um, prince william, the prince of wales has appeared at the baftas on the red carpet this evening and gala, um, he really cuts a statesmanlike figure, doesn't he? the contrast between him and his own brother couldn't be more stark. >> well, he's so dignified . died >> well, he's so dignified. died when you looked. i watched a bit of it, and i came here. but he was appearing as if nothing was

wrong. he didn't want to spoil it for other people. he didn't want to look harassed or miserable or concerned. you know, he wanted to be in that job. and, um, he's been principal for since 2010, and he wanted to do what is expected of him . his wanted to do what is expected of him. his shoes wanted to do what is expected of him . his shoes shone brilliantly him. his shoes shone brilliantly . he looked very smart. he was smiling and he was, um, very respectable. and you think if he's an heir to the throne, it's absolute brilliant. >> particularly given the fact that his wife is still recuperating at home from a major operation and that his father has been diagnosed with cancer. >> cancen >> yes, he obviously thought >> yes, but he obviously thought that's to my that's not what i take to my work . i'm that's not what i take to my work. i'm going to do it thoroughly and properly and make sure that the people who put all the effort into acting and filming actually come out of it feeling satisfied . feeling satisfied. >> palace insiders have told the telegraph there is 0% chance that harry could perform a temporary royal role. that's clearly a humiliating story. if true , is there anything harry

true, is there anything harry can do to build bridges? well. i'll actually i'll be honest with this. >> and that is to ditch meghan. really? i think if he ditched meghan and waited a bit, then that would be good. but i think he can't do that because, you know, you think your wife is more important than your family really . and i think that that really. and i think that that won't work if she doesn't want to be in the uk. won't work if she doesn't want to be in the uk . she didn't like to be in the uk. she didn't like the british royal family so it's going to be very difficult and she has to be in control. you can see that way she holds can see that the way she holds his and doesn't let him his hand and doesn't let him move out of, you know, one foot from where she is and she controls him. and he's okay with that , but she controls him. and he's okay with that, but she can't start controlling the family , the controlling the family, the monarchy, if she came over or if she just stayed there and just told him what he had to do, it would be the most horrible mess eve r. >> even >> of course, meghan markle would argue that prince harry is very much his own man, but you're entitled to your view, especially on this show. angela

the clock's against us. but, um, are you honestly saying that the only way back for harry in relation to his family and perhaps the country is to divorce meghan markle ? divorce meghan markle? >> well, i don't think he will ever divorce her, but i think that that would right . people that that would be right. people really don't like meghan. she's been very , um, negative about been very, um, negative about the royal family and she wanted to be next to the queen and help her modern it. well, you can't come over and do that within five minutes, can you? >> angela levin, what a treat to have you in on a sunday night. thank welcome for thank you and welcome back for your impressive tan your holidays. impressive tan claire americas, tenerife claire de las americas, tenerife . it suits well. um, listen , . it suits you well. um, listen, lots more to get through. my mark meets former mark meets guest is former blairite mp and celebrated diarist chris mullin. is labour on the verge of another decade in power ? we'll discuss that

next. uh, welcome back to the show. i will get to your emails shortly , will get to your emails shortly, but coming up in my take at ten, john lewis are in hot for water promoting a magazine which recommends breast binders for young girls , has britain's young girls, has britain's favourite department store finally lost plot? but finally lost the plot? but first, mark meets . and tonight first, mark meets. and tonight my mark meets. guest is former blairite mp and celebrated diarist chris mullin. chris mullin welcome to the show . mullin welcome to the show. >> good evening. >> good evening. >> a real treat to have you on the program. so much to talk about. you've got two books out at the moment. you're more published stephen king in published than stephen king in your first book. is the latest instalment in your diary , as instalment in your diary, as i think it's to 2010, 2022. that's your time frame. after having left parliament, the new book is called didn't you used to be chris mullin? you've had huge success with the first three volumes. what stands out from this latest volume ? chris well,

this latest volume? chris well, it's my take on the, uh , on the it's my take on the, uh, on the extraordinary politics of the last 12 years, really. >> it starts, uh, with the, uh , >> it starts, uh, with the, uh, with new labour leaving government and ends with the death of the queen. uh, if you're wondering where the title came from , i was, i was came from, i was, uh, i was walking around the house of commons about two years after i retired, and i ran into a former colleague who looked at me over the top of his glasses and, and, uh , said, didn't you used to be uh, said, didn't you used to be chris mullin? and i said, thank you very much. that'll do for the title of volume four. so here we are. >> uh, listen , keeping a diary >> uh, listen, keeping a diary involves enormous discipline. how did you keep it going for all those years? particularly you know, serving in a labour government? you've been a very busy guy. where did you find the time and energy ? well it's not time and energy? well it's not very difficult, really, but you do have to be a bit disciplined about it . about it. >> uh, whenever anything

interesting happens, i, um, i make a note of it. i i carried around for years a little red notebook in my inside breast pocket and even sitting occasionally on the front bench in the house of commons. i scribbled the occasional note and, uh. and then i stopped . and, uh. and then i stopped. really? in 2010, when i left parliament, because i thought that life wouldn't be sufficiently interesting. but actually the last 12 years have turned out to be very interesting. so i started again. well your diaries, chris, your diaries are renowned. >> so entertaining . but >> they're so entertaining. but they also an important they are also an important historic document. now aren't they? >> well, that's very nice of you to say so, mark. i i, i do see them quoted from time to time. uh but quite whether they'll outlive me , i think we the jury outlive me, i think we the jury is still out on that. >> of course in one of your volumes, you charted the rise of new labour. you entered the house of commons in 1987. so you

were there for the modernisation of the party under neil kinnock , of the party under neil kinnock, the late, great john smith, and then tony blair. uh, do you think there's a similar sort of political revolution happening right now ? is there a kind of right now? is there a kind of 1997 fever happening for keir starmer and the current crop ? starmer and the current crop? >> i don't detect any fever . uh, >> i don't detect any fever. uh, i do think , uh, and, and i don't i do think, uh, and, and i don't think that starmer is going to be anything like as radical as blair was. he has adopted some of the same strategies, which was to promise, uh, very little in blair's case. i remember what he said to me at the time that, uh, that labour had a history of overpromising and under—delivering , and he was under—delivering, and he was going to do it the other way round. and he kind of did that. uh, certainly until the great shadow of iraq fell over the laboun shadow of iraq fell over the labour, new labour project. labour, the new labour project. um, i it remains to be seen where starmer is going. >> uh, well, of course, you'll be hoping that he'll be in number 10 before the year is out

. what about your other book, which is coming out? i think at the end of february, and it's all about one of the great miscarriages of justice in relation the birmingham six. relation to the birmingham six. i think, alastair, might i think, alastair, you might have a still of the book. yes. it's called error of judgement. the birmingham bombings and the scandal that shook britain . now, scandal that shook britain. now, chris, not only are you a former mp and government minister, but you were a journalist on itv tv's world in action. when you expose this story , yes , expose this story, yes, actually, a friend of mine , actually, a friend of mine, peter chippendale, who was a guardian journalist , had guardian journalist, had attended the trial in 1975 and he remarked to me at the time that he thought they got the wrong people . wrong people. >> he also said that the answer lay in ireland. you had to go and find the people who'd really done to done it. if you were going to crack and it was years crack it, and it was years before i was an impoverished freelance journalist those freelance journalist in those days, before days, and it was years before i had the resources. uh to, uh, to do anything about it until i got a book was commissioned that an

error of judgement? uh, um , but error of judgement? uh, um, but even so, i didn't have the resources . it wasn't until i resources. it wasn't until i persuaded roy fitzwalter, the editor of world in action, to take me on, um , to see if we take me on, um, to see if we could come up with anything new. we made three programmes. one, one, one, uh, destroyed the forensic evidence. one blew a hole in the police. uh evidence. and the third one was an interview with one of the actual bombers. uh, and, uh, and so gradually bricks started to fall from the arch. i have to say , from the arch. i have to say, the legal establishment and the powers that be, uh, pulled every trick in the book not to have to own up, uh, and even after the convictions were quashed in 1991, uh , i lost count of the 1991, uh, i lost count of the number of people who said to me, oh, i had dinner with lord justice so—and—so last night, and you should hear what he's saying about the birmingham six. they carried among they just carried on among themselves, oh, well, themselves, saying, oh, well, yes , maybe the police did soup

yes, maybe the police did soup up evidence. the up the evidence. maybe the forensic got it forensic scientists got it wrong. but we know they did it. >> okay, well , chris mullins, >> okay, well, chris mullins, i wish we had longer. i do hope you'll return to the programme , you'll return to the programme, but let me tell my viewers and listeners that error of judgement, an updated version about out about the birmingham six is out now didn't you used to be now and didn't you used to be chris mullins ? chapter four, chris mullins? chapter four, episode four of his best selling diaries ? okay, lots more to get diaries? okay, lots more to get through. i'll be dealing with john lewis next. find out why shortly . shortly. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> hello, i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office . we update from the met office. we hold on to rather mixed conditions wise across conditions weather wise across the uk during the week ahead. all rain at all of us seeing some rain at times turning colder from times and turning colder from the on. we've got the north later on. we've got a small ridge of high pressure moving west tonight. moving in from the west tonight. quietening moving in from the west tonight. quiete weather fronts moving in from the west tonight. quieteweather fronts gathering notice weather fronts gathering out the north—west out towards the north—west and they'll unsettled out towards the north—west and they'll during unsettled out towards the north—west and they'll during the unsettled out towards the north—west and they'll during the unsfewzd weather during the next few days. as we go into the

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well -- well . good evening. well. good evening. >> it's 10:00 well. good evening. >> it's10:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight in my take a ten. john lewis are in hot water for promoting a magazine which recommends breast binders for young girls. as britain's favourite department store. finally lost the plot. i'll be dealing with this woke madness in just a moment. meanwhile, sir flip flop strikes again a ceasefire that lasts conference. >> that is what must happen now.

the fighting must stop now . the fighting must stop now. >> now we'll get reaction from ann widdecombe on what appears to be sir keir starmer's gaza u—turn . plus tomorrow's u—turn. plus tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from tonight's top pundits, a packed show, lots to get through . i'll show, lots to get through. i'll be dealing with john lewis in no uncertain terms, straight after the news headlines and ray addison . on. addison. on. >> cheers. mark. our top stories tonight . >> cheers. mark. our top stories tonight. night 215 year old boys have been charged with murder. that's after 16 year old darian williams died after being stabbed in a park in bristol on wednesday. in a statement , avon wednesday. in a statement, avon and somerset police said darian died after being attacked in rawnsley park in the eastern area of the city. the boys have also been charged with possessing a knife in a public place, and they currently remain in custody. they'll appear at bristol youth court tomorrow ,

bristol youth court tomorrow, while avon and somerset police has referred itself to the independent police watchdog after arresting a 42 year old woman on suspicion of murder following the deaths of three children in bristol, officers attended a concern for welfare. call in blaise walk in sea mills this afternoon . they say the this afternoon. they say the suspect is currently in police custody at a hospital . one local custody at a hospital. one local woman says the family had two boys aged around eight and six months and a girl aged around four. the force said it was contacting the iopc due to prior police contact . well, as we've police contact. well, as we've been hearing, sir keir starmer has called for a permanent ceasefire in gaza during a speech at the scottish labour conference. it's a change to his previous stance of the pause in fighting , saying instead the war fighting, saying instead the war must stop now. but he says the ceasefire can't be one sided. he's calling on hamas to release all of its remaining hostages. he also said a two state

solution must be back on the table , an end to the fighting, table, an end to the fighting, not just now, not just for a pause, but permanently a ceasefire that lasts. >> conference . that is what must >> conference. that is what must happen now . the fighting must happen now. the fighting must stop now . now . stop now. now. >> and the prince of wales attended the bafta film awards tonight at his first high profile royal engagement since his wife's operation. a warning for those of you watching on tv the following footage contains flashing images. the following footage contains flashing images . william, who is flashing images. william, who is president of the arts charity, took selfies with members of the pubuc took selfies with members of the public as he made his way down the red carpet . oppenheimer has the red carpet. oppenheimer has won baftas for best film , best won baftas for best film, best director, best actor and best supporting actor , whilst emma supporting actor, whilst emma stone has won best actress for poor things. meanwhile the zone of interest, starring sandra huller, has won outstanding

british film . well for the british film. well for the latest stories sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gbnews.com slash alerts back now to . mark. to. mark. >> thanks, ray. welcome to mark dolan tonight with his call for a ceasefire in gaza today , has a ceasefire in gaza today, has sir keir starmer caved in to pressure from the left of his party? ann widdecombe weighs in on what looks like another u—turn from our would be prime minister. plus tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from tonight's top pundits this evening , former brexit party mep evening, former brexit party mep annunziata rees—mogg , ex tory mp annunziata rees—mogg, ex tory mp and farmer neil parish and trade unionist and political commentator andy macdonald, plus , they'll be nominating their headune , they'll be nominating their headline heroes and back page zeroes. a packed hour and those papers are coming and ann widdecombe is waiting in the wings. but first, my take at

ten. john lewis has been quite the hot topic this week, and not because of a deal on flat screen. tellies or its women's spnng screen. tellies or its women's spring wear collection. even though i do love their fabrics, no ? so gone are the days when no? so gone are the days when businesses like john lewis made headunes businesses like john lewis made headlines for doing their actual job and selling you home furnishings, fashions or electronic goods. this is a company whose disastrous management under chairman dame sharon white, appointed with a stellar cv but zero retail experience, has seen its profits collapse and widespread store closures , whilst seemingly more closures, whilst seemingly more focussed on box ticking political correctness. we had to put up with the rainbow flags at branches of waitrose, which some gay people consider homophobe , gay people consider homophobe, and which some women can consider misogynistic . we had consider misogynistic. we had that strange home insurance ad a

couple of years ago in which a little boy dressed as a girl in a lovely bit of social engineering, smashes up the family home whilst mother and daughter look on aghast . and now daughter look on aghast. and now the telegraph report that john lewis has distributed a magazine for more than 70,000 staff that advised parents on how to find breast binders for transgender children . so what is a breast children. so what is a breast binder? if you don't know ? binder? if you don't know? frankly, i envy you . frankly, i envy you. essentially, it's a medieval style device which straps down a growing girl's breasts in order to restrict their growth and give these female teenagers a more masculine shape . they are more masculine shape. they are designed to stop young girls breasts from growing . what breasts from growing. what a time to be alive . the magazine time to be alive. the magazine recommends support for the charity mermaids, which tells young people that they may have been born in the wrong body.

murmrr aids is currently under investigation by the charity commission over safeguarding concerns. there's a surprise mermaids also supports so—called puberty blockers . what are puberty blockers. what are puberty blockers. what are puberty blockers. what are puberty blockers ? well, if you puberty blockers? well, if you don't know, once again , i envy don't know, once again, i envy you. this is a cocktail of chemicals given to teenagers to stop them going through puberty, which has huge potential implications for their long time health. the development of their reproductive organs, and their ability to have children in the future . now, furious gps have future. now, furious gps have branded the department store's in—house magazine irresponsible and the telegraph. telegraph quote doctor louise irvine , quote doctor louise irvine, co—chair of the clinical advisory network on sex and genden advisory network on sex and gender, who has said that these bizarre devices , the strange bizarre devices, the strange chest flattening devices which would surely double up as an instrument of torture in a different era, risk , and i different era, risk, and i quote, damage to the breasts , quote, damage to the breasts, damage to the skin, chest , wall,

damage to the skin, chest, wall, muscles and ribs . they can cause muscles and ribs. they can cause pain restriction in breathing and make young girls less likely to participate in sports or exercise . these charming the exercise. these charming the magazine is called identity . magazine is called identity. it's been distributed by john lewis to its staff and is produced by a group called the lgbt ikea plus network . that's lgbt ikea plus network. that's a lot of letters, isn't it? well, i can think of a word compared list of just for the magazine features a piece on raising trans and non binary children, whatever that means , and it whatever that means, and it focuses on a mother who we can call jennifer, who says she was not surprised that her daughter wanted a transition to be a boy as he hadn't worn anything girly since he was eight. she has this mother. never heard of tomboys ? mother. never heard of tomboys? i'd put that poor child into care. trans ideology , which care. trans ideology, which peddles the biologically impossible idea that you can change your sex, is so extreme and so bonkers that these breast

binders are actually the least shocking intervention out there. that's just entry level stuff. it's hormones, double mastectomy , and the removal of reproductive organs, which are the ultimate destination for many young people who may just have been confused, vulnerable , have been confused, vulnerable, misguided, gay or depressed . i'm misguided, gay or depressed. i'm honestly not clear how chopping up your body or stopping it from growing properly is going to boost your mood or enhance your life outcomes, make it make sense. this whole story saddens me because i really love john lewis , especially its brilliant lewis, especially its brilliant staff . i want this fantastic staff. i want this fantastic business to prevail, but with an established and iconic brand like john lewis now caught up in this madness and platforming, what many argue is the mutilation of children and at the very least, physical damage , the very least, physical damage, it's just a matter of time before the wider public realise how in the grip of this crazy

leftist ideology , our private leftist ideology, our private and public institutions have become, and with people being ordered to sign up to this nonsense by having to present their pronouns in emails and meetings, it is tyranny posing as empathy. come back and see me in ten years time when those poor young people who have had their bodies butchered regret their bodies butchered regret the decision and can't go back . the decision and can't go back. work with the likes of john lewis participating in this no wonder their profits are tumbling . this once great tumbling. this once great institution , like many, is in institution, like many, is in the grip of woke ideology and has forgotten that it's there to sell us fruit and veg , samsung sell us fruit and veg, samsung tvs and sensible shoes. john lewis, a famously never knowingly undersold but for scores of their customers shocked by this woke madness, they will never knowingly go there again . your reaction there again. your reaction market gb news news.com. now let

me tell you that my team has beenin me tell you that my team has been in touch with john lewis all day. they've been very communicative, they've been very fair and we've had an awful lot of feedback from them about this story . so let me provide you story. so let me provide you with the statement that they've given to mark dolan tonight. they've that lewis they've said that john lewis partnership welcoming place partnership is a welcoming place for people work or shop , for people to work or shop, irrespective of their background or beliefs. the identity magazine was created by members of our lgbtq+ network, in which our partners, as we call our employees, share their experiences. as the magazine was not edited or funded by the management of the john lewis partnership, it's wrong to suggest the magazine provides advice from the partnership . advice from the partnership. there you go. well, look, thanks to john lewis for that reply . i to john lewis for that reply. i don't want them to close down, but i want them to wise up . but i want them to wise up. let's get reaction from my top pundits. former brexit party mep annunziata , farmer and annunziata rees—mogg, farmer and ex tory mp neil parish and trade unionist and political commentator andy macdonald . and

commentator andy macdonald. and ihave commentator andy macdonald. and i have to start with you and uncata, because we're talking about young girls here being encouraged to wear chest flattening devices . your reaction? >> i think it's absolutely horrific. >> it's a practice that is known to have potentially lifelong consequences for girls who have not yet fully developed, let alone the more temporary back pain, skin rashes , breathing pain, skin rashes, breathing problems , even broken ribs that problems, even broken ribs that can be caused by, uh, binding girls breasts. the idea for that john lewis , a bastion of this john lewis, a bastion of this country , is allowing this to go country, is allowing this to go out under its name. and whether funded by it or not, it is that one of their in—house mags means it has therefore , a sort of it has therefore, a sort of authority from the john lewis brand . and of course , they're brand. and of course, they're inclusive. we all want everyone to be treated equally no matter

what their preferences in any way , but to think it's okay to way, but to think it's okay to encourage children to take lifelong decisions can never be right. and i'm pretty sure that the 70,000 partners or staff at john lewis would have rather had their bonus in 2023. we then get a magazine telling them how their children can deform themselves . themselves. >> now andy macdonald . this is a >> now andy macdonald. this is a sort of magazine within a magazine distributed by john lewis. they didn't sort of fund it or publish it themselves, but obviously they've platformed it. and this recommendation of certain types of chest flattening devices came from one of the individual partners offering their experience . i offering their experience. i think of a trans child . and so think of a trans child. and so what's your reaction to this story ? um, are, um, are john story? um, are, um, are john lewis guilty only of being inclusive ? inclusive? >> i mean, you know, the statement from john lewis made it quite clear they didn't fund it. they didn't particularly support done by a support it. it was done by a network staff members. you network of staff members. you

know, to put the know, it's hard to put the i doubt that chief executive know, it's hard to put the i do any that chief executive know, it's hard to put the i do any oft chief executive know, it's hard to put the i do any of the chief executive know, it's hard to put the i do any of the board: executive know, it's hard to put the i do any of the board knowrtive know, it's hard to put the i do any of the board know what or any of the board know what goes on in these kind of memo networks to such a great detail that they're reading every single struggle single article. um, i struggle to comment on it because it's a group of individuals who are writing personal writing about their personal experiences they're experiences, whether they're gay or they've had gay or or trans, or they've had gay or trans you know , it's trans children. you know, it's just experience. it's just someone's experience. it's i just i think just someone's experience. it's ijust i think some just someone's experience. it's i just i think some of the rhetoric that's come out about this has been incredibly this has just been incredibly damaging, considering, you know, the tragic loss of brianna ghey and the of that over the and the fallout of that over the last weeks. think just last few weeks. i think we just need it back. on the need to roll it back. on the anti—trans rhetoric just anti—trans rhetoric and just let it a while. well you're it sit for a while. well you're absolutely right. >> first of i've got >> first of all, i've got friends, andy, who trans, >> first of all, i've got frierthey've y, who trans, >> first of all, i've got frierthey've y, whion trans, and they've been on that important journey. it's who they feel they but i've got to feel they are. but i've got to say , i draw line at say, i draw the line at recommending medication to pubescent children to stop puberty happening, or young girls strapping their breasts down. for me, that's a red line. would you tend to agree? >> sure , i guess, but, you know, >> sure, i guess, but, you know, they're acting as an an individual opinion. you know,

they're not a medical doctor. they're staff member john they're a staff member at john lewis. think if you're taking lewis. i think if you're taking serious medical from serious medical advice from a staff member john lewis, then staff member at john lewis, then you got bigger staff member at john lewis, then you to got bigger staff member at john lewis, then you to worry got bigger staff member at john lewis, then you to worry about bigger staff member at john lewis, then you to worry about .igger issues to worry about. >> yes. and neil parish , i'm not >> yes. and neil parish, i'm not sure this is necessarily an sure that this is necessarily an anti—trans story , and it's anti—trans story, and it's certainly not the sentiment of my take at ten, but it's certainly anti—children in making decisions about their bodies, which they could well come to regret. >> yeah. mark i think we're we're in a very dangerous path with all of this because once somebody is old enough to make up their own mind about what sexual city they are, then fine , sexual city they are, then fine, let them do that. but i think there's far too much pressure on on children and young people and this sort of thing just does not help. i mean, i'm concerned . i'm help. i mean, i'm concerned. i'm unashamedly concerned with a small c on this because i think, you know , sexuality. let's be you know, sexuality. let's be what we want to be. but let's be old enough and let's not start taking drugs and strapping

ourselves up and doing all sorts of things that were perhaps change our sexuality . and as the change our sexuality. and as the point that you made is later on, hugely regretted. so why are we you know, we don't. we try to protect children in so many ways, quite rightly. and yet, in a way, with all of this , we're a way, with all of this, we're going in the opposite direction that we would normally do to protect children. and i think, you know, let's sort of be realistic about this and let children grow up and be what they want to be, but not influence them too much . influence them too much. >> in the meantime, of course, many would argue that trans people , particularly young trans people, particularly young trans people, particularly young trans people, suffer from terrible abuse in society , mental health abuse in society, mental health issues, and therefore they need support. they need understanding and they need to be included. perhaps they even need to be treated . and let me know your treated. and let me know your thoughts. mark at gbnews.com mark dolan tonight. the home of diverse opinion. now coming up with its call for a ceasefire in gaza today. how sir keir starmer

caved in to pressure from the left of his own party. and also what's the leader of the opposition right to have a bit of a go at donald trump? after all, he might be the next president and widcomm reacts. plus, those papers are on the way . you

>> gb news radio . >> gb news radio. >> gb news radio. >> uh, listen, greg's given me 10s for emails on john lewis . 10s for emails on john lewis. uh, one of their publications has been talking about chest binders for children. uh, this from derek. uh, mark. go, woke. go broke. it's well on the way for john lewis and, uh, martin forjohn lewis and, uh, martin says, uh, chest binders. mark can i get one for my man boobs? martin, i'm sure you don't need it. i'm sure you've got a lovely figure. uh, more of your emails at 1030 with the papers, but speaking at the scottish labour party conference in glasgow today, the leader of the opposition , keir starmer, today, the leader of the opposcloser keir starmer, today, the leader of the opposcloser than air starmer, today, the leader of the opposcloser than he starmer, today, the leader of the opposcloser than he ever|er, today, the leader of the opposcloser than he ever has came closer than he ever has done to calling for an instant ceasefire in gaza . here's what

ceasefire in gaza. here's what he told conference. an end to the fighting . the fighting. >> not just now, not just for a pause, but permanently . a pause, but permanently. a ceasefire that lasts. conference thatis ceasefire that lasts. conference that is what must happen now . that is what must happen now. the fighting must stop now . now the fighting must stop now. now this former former lawyer, as always , was very careful with always, was very careful with his words and significantly, is still not calling for an immediate ceasefire , which is immediate ceasefire, which is what the snp wants to happen when they lead votes in this issue. >> in the house of commons on wednesday . but >> in the house of commons on wednesday. but this is the strongest language we've had from starmer so far since the hamas attack on israel. on october the 7th. so is sir keir starmer caving in to pressure from the left of his party? let's get the views of tonight's newsmaker. former government minister and broadcaster ann widdecombe. and what is your interpretation of what sir keir starmer had to say today ? starmer had to say today? >> well, he's trying very much

to be all things to all men . to be all things to all men. >> he doesn't quite want to say, you know, the fighting must stop immediately and then we'll work out all the rest later. >> uh, he hedges around that by calling for a ceasefire, which is permanent and sustainable. uh, and i understand entirely how people feel when they see the awful pictures of what's happening in gaza . uh, but the happening in gaza. uh, but the fact is that hamas began this. and until will, israel has convinced itself that it is a reduced hamas to rubble , uh, reduced hamas to rubble, uh, then it's not going to stop . and then it's not going to stop. and many of us would say, including me, nor should it stop. >> we need to put an end to this once and for all. >> and the way you do that is certainly not through a ceasefire, which allows hamas to regroup , uh, stock up the regroup, uh, stock up the weapons again . weapons again. >> uh, it gets it. and then start the whole thing off again. you do have to finish it permanently . and that is what permanently. and that is what keir starmer has said . but he

keir starmer has said. but he also implied at the same time, in a weasel sort of words of a lawyer. he also implied at the same time, uh, that he wanted it in inverted commas. now, well, you can't have a permanent solution now that is yet to come i >> -- >> of course, keir starmer would argue that he wants the carnage to end in gaza, something we can all of course agree on. an end. and but how mindful is the leader of the opposition of the muslim vote, which historically has gone to labour? >> oh, i think he will be very mindful of that. and he'll also be very mindful of the enormous pressure coming from his own parliamentary party. um, you know, he's he's on a roll, uh, labouris know, he's he's on a roll, uh, labour is generally expected to win the next election . he win the next election. he doesn't want a situation which the civil war within his party over this. so he's hedging his bets, basically. i mean , he's bets, basically. i mean, he's absolutely hedging his bets. he's talking about a permanent ceasefire. yeah we'll all ceasefire. yes. yeah we'll all sign up to that. but that is very different. uh, from , um, a

very different. uh, from, um, a ceasefire. now with nothing solved. well indeed. >> of course, lord cameron , >> of course, lord cameron, foreign secretary was talking about a permanent ceasefire a couple of months ago. and this is not new language . it sounds is not new language. it sounds to me like a bit of a diplomatic fudge from keir starmer. perhaps not out of character. do you think, however, it's possible that in the end starmer will call for an immediate ceasefire? do you think that's coming down the line ? the line? >> all right, well, he has a history of changing his mind on everything. so it wouldn't be a tremendous surprise if he changed his mind on this as well. uh, but, uh, i think if the pressure is sufficient from his own, his own parliamentary party, he probably will move a bit closer towards it, whether he will actually say, now , he will actually say, now, regardless of the future, i don't know, uh, briefly, an how much of a problem is it if we have a prime minister in keir starmer who doesn't support israel's right to self—defence and their military goal of

eliminating hamas , oh, it's eliminating hamas, oh, it's seriously worrying. which is why he hasn't quite taken that position. so far. he hasn't quite taken that position. he got as close as he's come to it today and let's stay on keir starmer because he will likely be our next prime minister. >> as you've said. speaking at the munich security conference, he seek to rebuild, he said he'd seek to rebuild, renew and resource the nato alliance rather than divide and threaten in in what has been perceived as a thinly veiled reference to donald trump , who reference to donald trump, who last week warned that he would not protect countries that failed to pay their bills. is it right for the leader of the opposition to attack trump in this way? someone that may well be the next president of the united states ? united states? >> well, it's quite right that the leader of the opposition and indeed anybody else in a senior position british politics position in british politics should support nato and should talk about building up nato. that that absolutely right. that that is absolutely right. but if that is to be interpreted as a direct rebuke to donald

trump after remarks that he made recently , um, then given that recently, um, then given that keir starmer could be our prime minister, it would not and trump could president, could be the american president, it not be a particularly it would not be a particularly good thing for diplomatic relations between , you know, two relations between, you know, two very important and senior members in nato and just a couple of seconds to ask you about the comments of illegal migration minister michael tomlinson , who said he can tomlinson, who said he can guarantee flights carrying asylum seekers to rwanda will happen before the next election. >> it's a bold statement . if it >> it's a bold statement. if it does happen, what will be the political significance ? political significance? >> well, bold is a very kind description. one might say rash would be a more appropriate description . i mean, if they do description. i mean, if they do get through and are grand and they get it off the ground in time for it to make a difference , that second one is actually often ignored. we talk if often ignored. we talk as if getting plane the air. is getting a plane in the air. is it? you know, but it isn't. it's actually got to make the difference. um, if they do manage that the manage to do that before the next election , uh, now it sounds

next election, uh, now it sounds as definitely going to as if that's definitely going to be october, because they're as if that's definitely going to be going»ber, because they're as if that's definitely going to be going to r, because they're as if that's definitely going to be going to do ecause they're as if that's definitely going to be going to do it ause they're as if that's definitely going to be going to do it before 1ey're as if that's definitely going to be going to do it before may. not going to do it before may. if they're going to do that before the next election. yeah, that but that would help them. but they're we know they're not. >> ann widdecombe have a splendid week and we'll see you next sunday. my thanks to former government minister and popular broadcaster ann widdecombe. coming up, tomorrow's newspaper front pages with pundit front pages with full pundit reaction . so don't go anywhere

radio. >> welcome back. it is 1030, so time for tomorrow's front pages . time for tomorrow's front pages. okay, thank you to ben for bringing these in. uh, the independent british army hero. give my afghan comrade a home. veteran paratrooper demands britain reverse his decision to deny sanctuary to the commando who fought with him against the

taliban and now faces death. if he is sent back . daily mail he is sent back. daily mail cannot police sink any lower ? an cannot police sink any lower? an exclusive from the paper nottingham stabbing victims families sickened to learn that officers shared graphic details officers shared graphic details of injuries on whatsapp in a latest horrifying scandal. also, just peachy. emma is the bell of the baftas. baftas best actress winner emma stone at the awards tonight , but winner emma stone at the awards tonight, but also in the mail. i've discovered the weight loss drug ozempic has an incredible side effect . that's from doctor side effect. that's from doctor max pemberton in the guardian. putin accused of covering tracks over navalny death, surely not perished the thought parish hey, listen, don't be too rude about putin. you know , he might look putin. you know, he might look out for me. >> he might visit your farm. >> he might visit your farm. >> exactly. fighting must now stop in gaza , says starmer. and stop in gaza, says starmer. and ministers confirm phone ban for engush ministers confirm phone ban for english schools. ministers have confirmed plans to ban mobiles

in english schools releasing guidance which some unions said included practices that have already been widely adopted . already been widely adopted. baftas 2024 emma stone wins for poor things but it is oppenheimer's night daily telegraph badenoch accuses post office boss of lying in horizon row . the business secretary, row. the business secretary, kemi badenoch , has accused the kemi badenoch, has accused the former chairman of the post office of lying in a row over the handling of the horizon scandal. head teachers told to search pupils for mobile phones victims of crime waiting five years for cases to go to court and russia jails navalny. protesters for laying flowers and candles. the eye newspaper jeremy hunts, chancellor but tax cuts possible without reducing pubuc cuts possible without reducing public spending jeremy hunt tries to allay fears that he will cut public spending in next month's budget. treasury sources tell the eye newspaper that cutting services to fund personal tax reductions will

only be necessary if economic forecasts further limit the chancellor's financial headroom . chancellor's financial headroom. daily mirror post office scandal now make them pay subpostmasters tonight urged voters to oust the tories amid claims the government tried to delay compensation. axe to post office chief henry staunton sparked fury today by alleging he was told to stall on payouts to victims on the horizon scandal until after the next election . until after the next election. metro putin planned murder down to the second and financial times. apple faces . ,500 million times. apple faces. ,500 million antitrust fine for blocking music streaming rivals. i've got a deer idea an idea. why don't apple remove apple music from the eu and see how they get on without them? okay, let's get reaction to tomorrow's front pages.in reaction to tomorrow's front pages . in the reaction to tomorrow's front pages. in the company of three good friends of mine, former brexit party mep annunziata

rees—mogg , farmer and ex—tory mp rees—mogg, farmer and ex—tory mp , he saw the error of his ways. neil parish and trade unionist and top political commentator andy mcdonald had lots of stories to get through. but let's start , if we can, with let's start, if we can, with this story in the daily telegraph if victims of crime andy mcdonald waiting five years for cases to go to court mean our criminal justice system is on its knees , isn't it? on its knees, isn't it? >> yeah, without a doubt. i mean, this is, i think comes under the remit of the home secretary's office, though the home they deal with the home office, they deal with the police and, you know, the processes you know, processes around it. you know, we've had was it five home secretaries five years. secretaries in five years. so this clearly not issue this is clearly not an issue that the conservative government are know, that the conservative government are home know, that the conservative government are home distracted/, the home office is distracted with migration, fair with migration, a fair distraction. you all distraction. but still you all these home secretaries, they can't just ignore the police force and the things that are happening just a happening at home. it's just a government taking it government that isn't taking it seriously. government that isn't taking it seriand y. didn't we, >> and we saw, didn't we, annunziata, during austerity cuts to justice department cuts to the justice department of think 40% when ken clarke of i think 40% when ken clarke was justice secretary. it seems

like we're paying the price now. >> the justice >> i think the justice department has huge problems that got the issue with that we've got the issue with overcrowded prisons , um, that, overcrowded prisons, um, that, you know, in scotland, they're discussing out discussing letting people out early there aren't early because there aren't enough places. but we're in a pretty situation here. pretty similar situation here. the prison that came out last week with the most horrific, um , week with the most horrific, um, cases of falling down and bad treatment , it was cases of falling down and bad treatment, it was appalling. but that's not to say it should be cushty , but if justice is to cushty, but if justice is to exist and be respected, it has got to be swift and keeping people in limbo for five years is not justice. is that the first time you've ever used the word cushty? >> by the way, i doubt it sounds very becoming from your rather illustrious tongue. what do you think about this story, neil? because you mean we don't have safe streets? if the courts are blocked? >> i mean, right from sort of closing magistrates court right the through to the high the way through to the high courts, has courts, you know, everything has been delayed . um, getting rid of been delayed. um, getting rid of magistrate was a huge magistrate courts was a huge mistake. , of course,

mistake. and also, of course, you know, after covid and during covid, lots of cases got delayed andifs covid, lots of cases got delayed and it's never been put right. it was bad before, but it's a damn sight worse now . and i damn sight worse now. and i think, you know, victims do expect justice. and i think, you know, we have got to review our prison system as well to make sure actually we're, you sure that actually we're, you know, we lock right know, we lock up the right people. not actually people. but we're not actually locking that don't people. but we're not actually lockirto that don't people. but we're not actually lockirto lock that don't people. but we're not actually lockirto lock up that don't people. but we're not actually lockirto lock up because don't people. but we're not actually lockirto lock up because that'st need to lock up because that's wrong, too. i mean, the whole the and the whole thing is broken and somebody to get it by the somebody needs to get it by the scruff of the neck and make it work. >> well, andy, could that be the labour party who likely to labour party who are likely to win election? do you win the next election? do you think law order think they'll fix law and order in country the courts? in this country and the courts? >> i they've got a good >> i think they've got a good chance , you in in the chance, you know, in the in the home got yvette home office, you've got yvette coopen home office, you've got yvette cooper, very cooper, you know, a very experienced parliamentarian. i mean, in commons mean, she's been in the commons since you know, since the blair years, you know, at the helm. keir starmer, former director of public prosecutions. knows former director of public prosjustice is. knows former director of public prosjustice is. like knows former director of public prosjusticels. like the knows former director of public prosjusticels. like the backs the justice system like the back of experienced of his hand experienced barrister, public barrister, experienced public servant they are servant i think. yeah they are the government to do it. there you go. >> em- you go. >> argue with that neil >> can you argue with that neil i changes to be made. >> i'd be interesting to see

what labour does do. >> i'd be interesting to see whtbuthour does do. >> i'd be interesting to see whtbut keir does do. >> i'd be interesting to see whtbut keir starmer, law and >> but keir starmer, law and order minister, he knows order prime minister, he knows the out. the law inside out. >> it'll be it's quite a broken system now. i think you know also it will be putting the right funds in place to make it work as well. so, you know, i wish him well if he if he's able to succeed in doing it because it's not going to be easy. >> he's quite good at doing his own pr and remembering the cases that he investigated as chief prosecutor. that went well , but prosecutor. that went well, but not so much. those that didn't work out. and you just have to look at the post offices. um, there are various other cases i don't even want to think about, but just taking credit doesn't mean you've got to the nitty gritty . and in fact, this is gritty. and in fact, this is a structural fault as much as it is a legal one. >> yes, of course. i mean, keir starmer, perhaps not directly responsible for the post office scandal, but on his watch, this miscarriage of justice occurred. indeed. >> and some of the prosecutors actions were done under his auspices. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> okay. that's labour of course

have said he wasn't aware of that, but he was the boss at the time. and you can't argue with that. let me ask you that. annunciator let me ask you about this story in in both the telegraph and, and also just gathering my notes here. the guardian as well. ministers confirm phone ban for english schools . it's amazing to think schools. it's amazing to think that up till now children have been allowed a mobile phone in the classroom. >> well, you see, i don't agree that they have and i know this from bitter personal experience and my daughter will not forgive me probably the only me for naming. probably the only time she's trouble at time she's been in trouble at school. she's pretty well behaved young girl, behaved and a nice young girl, but after she started her but just after she started her secondary school, her grammar school , was caught with a school, she was caught with a phone trying to text me from the loos . because you're not allowed loos. because you're not allowed to have your phones at school. i mean, i hate to intrude on private grief about what the text related to. >> was it a complaint about the lunch box or something? >> it do with collection? >> it was to do with collection? that exciting subject , that really exciting subject, and the instantly got on and the school instantly got on to me and told reminded me of

the rules i didn't know the rules which i didn't know and her how she could and reminded her how she could get a message to if she get a message to home if she needed to , that there are needed to, that there are schools already take this schools that already take this kind of thing very seriously, that they are without doubt a distraction in the classroom. um, that that it izadora knows children in other schools who are perfectly capable of texting without looking at their phone. they can type an message . they can type an entire message. they're on them all the time under their desks. and i think it's preventing pupils learning. it's teachers it's preventing teachers teaching and banning them in the classroom is a very good thing . classroom is a very good thing. >> i mean, >> most definitely. i mean, certainly my son's local state school, they're not allowed a phonein school, they're not allowed a phone in the building on the premises, and they've had that policy for a couple of years. >> i mean, absolutely right. because, i mean, we're i'm worried that as the generations go on, they won't actually go on, that they won't actually be be communicate be able to be communicate verbally, you know, and i'm being serious now because so much messaging , so much texting, much messaging, so much texting, so much done on the social media. and yet fashion is what we need and interaction in

social. so it's not only it's not only about the it's not only about the learning, it's not only about the it's not only about the learning , it's also about the learning, it's also about the learning, it's also about making sure they're actually talking to each other and having, you know, what i call a proper schooling, where you've got the social side. i mean, i didn't enjoy school for the academic side of it, but i did enjoy it for seeing all my mates. and when i left school to go farming, i found it very lonely on the farm. hence i went into politics. whether that was a good thing or not, i don't know in hindsight, but that's that's why i did it. well, indeed , neil, you'll know the indeed, neil, you'll know the perils of looking at your mobile phone do, do indeed resist. >> how could i not a&e i'm going to . to. >> i knew you were going to get me on that. >> to the farm on tuesday. >> going to the farm on tuesday. did that? yeah and did you know that? yeah and there be will there will be there will be photos my to neil's photos of my trip to neil's farm. i can't wait. good. and he's promised. farm. i can't wait. good. and he's prccowsi waiting. >> the cows are waiting. >> the cows are waiting. >> i'm going to my >> well, i'm going to have my hands udders thing. hands on the udders first thing. >> i'm going to persuade >> no, no, i'm going to persuade you. difference you. the difference between a milking cow beef cow. right >> i'm not sure the cow will

like finding out, but, uh. andy, listen, let's get listen, um, let's let's get to a couple other stories. if we couple of other stories. if we can, to this story. can, um, listen to this story. badenoch accuses post office boss lying horizon row now boss of lying in horizon row now and then. another story in relation to the post office. now make them pay. subpostmasters tonight urge voters to oust the tories amid claims the government tried to delay compensation . compensation. >> i mean, what a mess this entire thing is and i really do feel sorry for these subpostmasters because they're just being used as a political football, you know, by the papers, by mps , by political papers, by mps, by political activists. i just feel dreadful for them. yeah. you know, who knows what's happened here. you know, everyone's saying, oh, well, was him, her, it well, it was him, it was her, it was was her. everyone's was him, it was her. everyone's like, just mess. like, it's just such a mess. there needs be. i know there needs to be. i know there is independent inquiry going is an independent inquiry going on, but there needs to be another independent inquiry to this whole mess about the payments. tried payments. whether it was tried to used as a political to be used as a political action. mean, gone off? action. i mean, what's gone off? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> i mean annunziata, you >> i mean annunziata, do you have whether the have any intel about whether the government did try to sort of delay until after delay these payments until after the election ? do we know whether

the election? do we know whether such and dagger activity such cloak and dagger activity goes ? goes on in government? >> i think we can be pretty confident under confident that it does under governments of every type, that we only have to look to the blood scandal and the delays on that, the lymphedema, the delays on compensation for that, that governments fundamentally try to avoid admitting fault and handing out money, no matter how much it is owed to the people who have suffered . and i have who have suffered. and i have absolutely no insight into this specific case. but we do need to understand and we most importantly need to get decent compensation to people whose lives have been ruined and in some cases, lost. i just think that no political party comes out of this smelling of roses , out of this smelling of roses, and we have just got to get the compensation to those postmasters. >> i think it's appalling what they have been through . they they have been through. they have been persecuted. they've been ruined. some of them actually committed suicide over it. yes. i mean , i just think, it. yes. i mean, i just think, for goodness sake , just pay out for goodness sake, just pay out them and stop these cases. you

see, the post office should never have been able to bring their prosecute actions. and their own prosecute actions. and that's problem . and i think that's the problem. and i think governments all colours, governments have all colours, you know, include the leader. you know, ed davey of the liberal democrats when he was in coalition and they knew too coalition and they knew far too much what was going on. and they didn't do anything about it. and i don't think anybody let's sort of draw a line under it. i don't think we actually need another inquiry because we've had too many inquiries. now just many blasted inquiries. now just get on and actually pay them out ' pay get on and actually pay them out , pay them compensation and stop prosecuting them. meaning why is it that there was never any problem with postmasters ? and problem with postmasters? and then all of a sudden you get hundreds and hundreds of them that are the fiddle? mean, that are on the fiddle? i mean, it was just crazy . it should it was just crazy. it should never done. it was just crazy. it should never done . um, and never have been done. um, and for goodness sake, can we not draw a line on it? and under it? and can we not actually stop prosecuting them, pay them out , prosecuting them, pay them out, and for goodness sake, you know, give them a pardon, if like, give them a pardon, if you like, for all of those that have been

so wrongly treated, because i know if was a postmaster and know if i was a postmaster and was honest and this had been done to me, i would just feel horrendous and their families and everybody else are affected by it. so for goodness sake, government, you know , just do government, you know, just do something about it, get it sorted . sorted. >> the compensation will never undo the pain. >> and of course it won't. >> and of course it won't. >> being caused, of course, but it will at least allow them to live. >> and certainly, know, >> and certainly, you know, acknowledge who's acknowledged really they wrong . really that they were wrong. nobody's really acknowledged that they were wrong. you know, i if you make a mistake, i mean, if you make a mistake, that's thing. know, that's one thing. you know, i did all my sins, you did do for all my sins, you acknowledge your wrong and apologise and get it sorted. but nobody's doing it. and they're just sort of covering everything up and pretending it never happened. up and pretending it never happened . when these people's happened. when these people's lives were destroyed . lives were destroyed. >> absolute scandal. i couldn't agree more , sir. well, lots more agree more, sir. well, lots more to come. my pundits will nominate their headline hero and back page zero of the day, plus more newspaper front pages.

we've got the time and the sun and a story from inside the papers. why you're no longer allowed to call old people's sweet or kind. find out why

next. okay folks, more front pages are in and let's have a look. where should we go first? alistair, let's have a look at the times newspaper and thousands of foreign care workers are breaking uk visa rules. schools will get greater powers to ban mobile phones, and google chief says ai fakes pose a serious threat to democracy . okay, next threat to democracy. okay, next up, the sun newspaper margot robbie over bafta. but she gets andy macdonald's vote he'd like to give. you'd like to give her a trophy, wouldn't you? >> i would give her many baftas. okay there you go. >> i would give her many baftas. okeuh,iere you go. >> i would give her many baftas. okeuh, exclusive 0. >> i would give her many baftas. okeuh, exclusive aces. shock. >> uh, exclusive aces. shock. drugs factory in prem stars

house as a premier league star was shocked to find out that one of his houses had been turned into a cannabis farm. police, acting on a tip off, raided the semi part of the aces buy to let empire and found hundreds of drug plants , probably all the drug plants, probably all the all the tenants were dribbling after that would have thought, okay, uh, and uh, look folks, thatis okay, uh, and uh, look folks, that is a cracking set of stories. let's catch up on the emails before we get to your headline. heroes and back page zeros. uh, first of all, we were discussing prince harry earlier in company of angela levin. in the company of angela levin. should the prince of wales, prince william, forgive of his brother and bring him back into the royal fold ? margaret says, the royal fold? margaret says, mark, are you mad? no one wants harry back . he cannot be harry back. he cannot be trusted. not more to sell more info about his family and only wants to come back temporarily to get more fodder for his next broadcast , etc. thank you broadcast, etc. thank you margaret jacks says mark. thank goodness prince william doesn't fall for harry's rubbish. we

don't need harry and don't want him back under any circumstance . him back under any circumstance. princes, please can't he become an american citizen and stop annoying us? pat says mark. no william should not ever forgive harry. remember the book, 'spare' meanwhile, john lewis have got themselves in hot water. it was the topic of my take at ten, and essentially they've released a public version. they didn't pay for it themselves, but it was carried by them. they platformed a magazine which recommended breast binders to their 70,000 star staff. a big reaction on email this from another margaret, who's margaret lee phillips , who says, mark, this phillips, who says, mark, this is the end of john lewis. once again, stonewall and mermaids are bringing down another once loved british institution . um, loved british institution. um, any others on john lewis? let's finally get to illegal immigration and legal immigration. is immigration good for the country? we debated that with professor matthew goodwin and val, says mark. nobody can

dispute that. we need immigrant workers , but we don't need to workers, but we don't need to give permanent leave to stay to anyone. work visas should have to be renewed every year or so according to the job. look so many great emails tonight. i want to say that it's been a really busy show and i've not had time for as much of your feedback as i would like, and we'll put that right next weekend. more reaction weekend. okay more reaction to the stories . the day's big stories. annunziata rees—mogg, neil pansh annunziata rees—mogg, neil parish and andy macdonald. um, a quick, uh, a quick word. if we can, on this story in the telegraph calling older people sweet or kind is a damaging stereotype, say campaigners andy, would you agree? >> i've met some very nasty old people and in fairness, you know, um, so i think, god, it must be a slow news day. honestly, if this is the stories that are filling up the papers, you know, this drug factory premiership, old premiership, this kind of old story, the school phone ban, i mean, neil, your sweet and mean, well, neil, your sweet and kind, you're not old. kind, but you're not old. >> i'm older, >> exactly. i'm getting older, aren't so i shall hope that aren't i? so i shall hope that somebody will call me sweet and

kind. i think well kind. i mean, i think well preserved . preserved. >> i that west country air >> i think that west country air is kind complexion. is very kind on your complexion. >> got my mother's >> do you? i got my mother's skin, think, which i'm skin, i think, which i'm fortunate for, but seriously, i think , you know, if somebody is think, you know, if somebody is nice and sweet, can't we call them that ? if they're horrible, them that? if they're horrible, we'll call them we'll probably call them horrible you horrible too, can't we? so, you know, mean , what's, you know, horrible too, can't we? so, you kthink mean , what's, you know, horrible too, can't we? so, you kthink it's�*an , what's, you know, horrible too, can't we? so, you kthink it's just what's, you know, horrible too, can't we? so, you kthink it's just the il's, you know, horrible too, can't we? so, you kthink it's just the wholeu know, i think it's just the whole world has gone crazy when we got a we can't call them nice, can we? >> stop policing the language? >> stop policing the language? >> oh, please, please, can we stop policing language? stop policing the language? >> am fed up with this. >> i am so fed up with this. call a spade spade. if she's call a spade a spade. if she's nice and sweet, cool and nice and sweet. whether or and sweet. whether she's 9 or 90. there you go. 90. yes, there you go. >> joe biden's quite sweet 90. yes, there you go. >> cuddly,3 biden's quite sweet 90. yes, there you go. >> cuddly, isn'tan's quite sweet 90. yes, there you go. >> cuddly, isn't he? quite sweet and cuddly, isn't he? well, well, let's shall we? well, let's not, shall we? >> debate that , shall we? >> we might have to debate it. okay. headline and back okay. headline heroes and back page is your headline page zeros. who is your headline hero page zeros. who is your headline herso mine is full fat dairy. >> so mine is full fat dairy. yes, i am aware it is not a person, but it is fantastic. and it turns out finally being recognised for its health benefits. they've been known about for years. but the government, the nhs and mainly the food industry wouldn't like

us to know too much about it. keep discouraging people of keep discouraging people and of all , tick tock has all places, tick tock has discovered that full fat dairy is much better for you. better outcomes for cardiovascular , for outcomes for cardiovascular, for heart disease, for, uh, preventing strokes . go full fat preventing strokes. go full fat dairy. well indeed. >> when we went to a sort of low fat eating protocol which started in the 70s and 80s and 90s, what happened? we became obese. >> we became fatter and less healthy. and in fact, going back to natural products is incredibly good for you and bnng incredibly good for you and bring back the gold top every time. >> always, all day long. neil, briefly, if you can. >> your headline hero previous dairy farmer i agree entirely with the nazi . with the nazi. >> i'll be drinking your unfiltered milk on tuesday, right? >> okay, by the way, that could be misconstrued, right? >> okay. >> okay. >> family show. we've all had a dnnk. drink. >> the tractors was tractors. >> the tractors was tractors. >> please. um to >> be quiet please. um to be serious for a moment. this is very serious . my. my hero serious for a moment. this is very serious. my. my hero is alex navalny, who . you know, he

alex navalny, who. you know, he he he faced up to putin. um, he campaigned against him after being poisoned by him . he then being poisoned by him. he then goes back into russia . he's then goes back into russia. he's then imprisoned, basically tortured and then murdered. and i'll be blunt about it. and as for , you blunt about it. and as for, you know, putin visiting me on the farm, i mean, he's already banned me from going to russia when i was still in parliament. you're list. i'm on that you're on that list. i'm on that list. and so therefore, you know, hope he doesn't turn up know, i hope he doesn't turn up at the farm, but we might have to deal him if he did. to deal with him if he did. putin because, you know, he needs sorted this needs to be sorted. this man, he's a murderer. sorry . and he's a murderer. i'm sorry. and you me to be careful, you told me to be careful, but i'm to be. um, and i'm not going to be. um, and i think, know, time the think, you know, it's time the west, mean, and also, you west, i mean, and also, you know, cameron talks about know, david cameron talks about sanctions and so does biden. let's actually do it. >> let's not talk about it. >> let's not talk about it. >> gun by your bed briefly. just a couple seconds, your a couple of seconds, andy, your headune a couple of seconds, andy, your headline hero i got two, uh, damien egan and kitchen , the damien egan and jen kitchen, the winners the by elections winners of the by elections in kingswood wellingborough winners of the by elections in kingswood performanceorough winners of the by elections in kingswood performance by ugh winners of the by elections in kingswood performance by both winners of the by elections in ki|them od performance by both winners of the by elections in ki|them in performance by both winners of the by elections in ki|them in difficult ance by both winners of the by elections in ki|them in difficult by:e by both of them in difficult by elections. >> win name. >> what a win name. >> what a win name. >> briefest, uh, back

>> only the briefest, uh, back page zero if you can. >> arthur f engoron the judge >> arthurf engoron the judge who's just fined trump politically motivated, counterproductive live rallying trump's support name only. >> mine, of course, is putin who we know why and nasty man richard holden lost the by elections . elections. >> what a loser you go blimey. well, look, thank you to my brilliant team, greg. lottie at home and ben , i'll see you home and ben, i'll see you friday at eight. headline is. next. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsor us of weather on gb news >> hello. i'm marco petagna. here's your latest weather update from the met office. we'll hold on to rather mixed conditions weather wise across the during week the uk during the week ahead, all seeing rain at all of us seeing some rain at times and turning colder from the north later we've the north later on. we've got a small ridge pressure small ridge of high pressure moving the west tonight. moving in from the west tonight. quietening down, but quietening the weather down, but nofice quietening the weather down, but notice gathering notice weather fronts gathering out and out towards the north—west and they'll unsettled they'll bring further unsettled weather the few weather during the next few days. into the days. so as we go into the evening during the overnight

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>> hello , i'm ray anderson in >> hello, i'm ray anderson in the gb news room. headliners is up next. but first our top stories . 215 year old boys have stories. 215 year old boys have been charged with murder. that's after 16 year old darian williams died after being stabbed in a park in bristol on wednesday . stabbed in a park in bristol on wednesday. in a stabbed in a park in bristol on wednesday . in a statement, avon wednesday. in a statement, avon and somerset police said darian died after being attacked in rawnsley park in the eastern area of the city. the boys have also been charged with possessing a knife in a public place, and they currently remain in custody. they will appear at bristol youth court tomorrow as well . avon and somerset police well. avon and somerset police

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