nice to be back >> good morning. nice to be back . navalny response mps return to discuss the government's action after the death russian after the death of russian opposition alexei opposition leader alexei navalny. foreign secretary lord cameron said there should be consequences . is really do you consequences. is really do you think this is an issue that requires the intervention of british and post british politicians and post office payouts .7 office payouts? >> the business secretary has accused a former chairman of the post office of lying in the handung post office of lying in the handling of the horizon it scandal . kemi badenoch will make scandal. kemi badenoch will make a today in the commons scandal. kemi badenoch will make a refute today in the commons scandal. kemi badenoch will make a refute claimsay in the commons scandal. kemi badenoch will make a refute claims the] the commons scandal. kemi badenoch will make a refute claims the government ns to refute claims the government delayed giving compensation , and delayed giving compensation, and the fighting must stop now. >> that's the message from labour leader sir keir starmer, as he called for an end to the fighting in gaza . and trans fighting in gaza. and trans women's milk row, an nhs trust, claims get this breast milk chemically producing trans women i >> -- >> that's someone born biologically male is as good for newborn babies as that produced by females . we'll find out if by females. we'll find out if they're right and ask who this

benefits. >> did you miss me terribly ? no. >> did you miss me terribly? no. let us know your thoughts on all of our talking points today. >> did you miss me ? there we are >> did you miss me? there we are horribly. >> i miss it . horribly. >> i miss it. i love thisjob and i love being able to talk to you every day here on gb news. let us know your thoughts this morning. views news. morning. gb views at gb news. com but here's news com but first, here's the news with francis . with sam francis. >> beth andrew, thank you very much and good morning from the gb newsroom. it'sjust gone much and good morning from the gb newsroom. it's just gone 9.30 leading the news this morning. new guidance has been issued for teachers in england on how to ban phones schools. it ban mobile phones in schools. it allows head teachers to ban phones during lessons, breaks and with provisions for and lunches with provisions for searches. if necessary. the union representing head teachers, though, says that robust rules already exist and they've dismissed the guideline as what they've called a non policy for a non problem. but

the education secretary, gillian keegan , says the government is keegan, says the government is ensuring that clarity and consistency exists across all classrooms . classrooms. >> what we're trying to do is change the social norm, change the norm in our schools that that phones are not acceptable in our schools. and but some other countries have already done this. quite a few countries have already this. we have already done this. and we just sure that it's just want to make sure that it's consistent it clear , consistent and we make it clear, and head teachers to and we empower head teachers to do this. we think that do this. and we think that mostly , um, this is something mostly, um, this is something that welcome . that parents would welcome. >> a search is underway in leicester after a two year old boy fell into the river soar. emergency services responded just after 5:00 last night to an area near marsden lane. leicestershire police are leading the ongoing operation and have deployed additional special teams today. officers say rising water levels are presenting some danger and they're asking people to keep away from the area . 215 year old away from the area. 215 year old boys are to appear in bristol youth court today, charged with the murder of a 16 year old.

danon the murder of a 16 year old. darion williams was fatally stabbed in rawnsley park in bristol. avon and somerset police have introduced enhanced stop and search measures and they've launched a new operation targeting youth violence and hundreds of people are set to meet on dartmoor for the largest mass trespass in a generation. they're calling . for the right they're calling. for the right to roam in england. challenging what they say is the absurdity of access islands. that's the name that's areas in name that's given to areas in england has a england where the public has a right yet remains right to roam, yet remains inaccessible . without inaccessible. without trespassing. organisers of the mass trespass say the law is broken and that the public should be given comprehensive access rights for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or, of course, go to our website gbnews.com. alerts gbnews.com. forward slash alerts i >> -- >> very good morning . welcome. >> very good morning. welcome. i'm back i've had a lovely week,

did much happen? nothing in my absence. no vaccine injured. look, the prime minister in the eye. nothing like that. when you were i was were glad i was away, i was actually , i have to say on actually, i have to say on i have to say the forum. >> the news forum. i think it >> the gb news forum. i think it was , um, very successful. was, um, very successful. >> very successful. >> it was very successful. >> it was very successful. >> puts the pressure now on keir starmer, leader , to starmer, the labour leader, to do the same because otherwise, otherwise we'll say he's for it. >> absolutely . yeah. no, >> absolutely. yeah. no, i thought it was wonderful. i was gutted week . gutted to be off last week. there was an lot i would there was an awful lot i would have that have said about that conversation. of conversation. this sort of a slight vindication with the whole thing . but anyway, lovely whole thing. but anyway, lovely to back. want to hear from to be back. i want to hear from you this morning, at you this morning, gb views at gb news. we're to news. com and we're going to talk death of the talk now about the death of the russian opposition leader, alexei is alexei navalny. now, this is going discussed by mps going to be discussed by mps today they return to westminster. >> family have accused the >> his family have accused the russian president, putin, of orchestrating his murder and say authorities are still withholding his body . withholding his body. >> that's right. he was the vocal putin critic. of course, he exposed the russian president's most luxu assets to

shine a light on the alleged kremlin corruption on his body, bruised, was found in it was we think it's in a hostel morgue in the arctic two days after he died in nearby prison. >> um, um , substantiated reports >> um, um, substantiated reports say that there were bruises which could have been from chest compressions performed during cpr . cpr. >> that's right. so what should be a reasonable response from the uk now , i've upset andrew the uk now, i've upset andrew pierce because , um, well, not pierce because, um, well, not for the first time i, i said on twitter, when all of the leaders from around the world came out within five seconds of navalny's death being announced and saying, this is definitely putin. and i think we don't know if it is definitely putin at the moment. we don't know. we don't know if he could have died from natural causes. we don't know whether he's been bombed off by putin. we know whether putin. we don't know whether he's been killed by cia he's been killed by the cia to clamp the putin pr clamp down on the putin pr machine , which has been on machine, which has been on overdrive since tucker carlson's interview with the russian leader, which was a disaster for

walking around the supermarket where the shopping trolley saying how cheap , how cheap a saying how cheap, how cheap a goodsin saying how cheap, how cheap a goods in moscow. >> and actually moscow is a much prettier, nicer and safer place even than america , i think even than america, i think probably in one of probably should live in one of the blocks moscow. the tower blocks in moscow. tucker come tucker carlson, before you come to was there to that conclusion, it was there was disaster. >> i mean, he looked like >> yeah, i mean, he looked like putin's fool. >> i'm surprised and disappointed. >> i liked it, but, um, you >> i liked it, but, um, did you watch the whole 2.5 hour sit down? >> didn't i watched about an >> i didn't i watched about an hour and a half of it, and i lost to live by that point. >> well, i think it's really important watch those things important to watch those things in we all in detail because we are all told the british told every day by the british press, the global press, press, by the global press, america is even worse than we are. that putin is bad, the west is good. putin is clearly bad. but it doesn't mean it's that binary. it is not as simple as that. binary. it is not as simple as that . and i think when cameron that. and i think when cameron came out and they're going to be discussing it today and said that have to that there have to be consequence chances for the death this man, why do we death of this man, why do we have to get involved in the uk way to make got to somehow fix

this problem? like i'm genuinely interested to know what your opinion is on that. >> i mean, the thing look, the whole is , is agitated by it whole west is, is agitated by it because in my view, it's 99. i would be astonished if he wasn't murdered because he'd been moved. this was his third prison, 1200 miles from moscow in the in the arctic circle. he looked very healthy in that video , which was sneaked out the video, which was sneaked out the day before . and then day before. and then mysteriously, he's dead. there are the russian are reports that the russian secret arrived in the secret service arrived in the prison the day before he died. secret service arrived in the prison 1gotday before he died. secret service arrived in the prison 1gotday be he; he died. secret service arrived in the prison 1gotday be he can'tiied. secret service arrived in the prison 1gotday be he can't bear putin's got form. he can't bear being mocked. and think it's a being mocked. and i think it's a sign putin's weakness that he sign of putin's weakness that he wants navalny way wants navalny out of the way because elections because there are elections coming didn't to coming up. cia didn't want to bump navalny. wanted bump off navalny. they wanted him alive because was viable him alive because he was viable opposition. none . opposition. now there is none. >> possibly there's all sorts of theories about it, aren't there? it could be that what i find, it could be that putin being emboldened by the tucker carlson interview, which did more , i interview, which did more, i think, for the reputation of putin than anything has done . putin than anything has done. yeah. ever. um, whether you think that is good or bad is

completely personal choice . um, completely personal choice. um, but i think that what was interesting for me from that tucker carlson interview was heanng tucker carlson interview was hearing how putin views the ukraine situation because ultimately that is what is affecting us here more than anything. well, that is what is going on in ukraine. >> and that's and that is why there be further sanctions, there will be further sanctions, because because the of because because the invasion of ukraine, which remember, happenedin ukraine, which remember, happened in 2014 and, and then was extended with the second part of the conflict, huge impact on oil prices, huge impact on oil prices, huge impact on oil prices, huge impact on food prices . and he's impact on food prices. and he's trying to squeeze the life out of, of um of, uh , the ukrainian of, of um of, uh, the ukrainian leader . and of, of um of, uh, the ukrainian leader. and very interesting. i thought it was quite interesting . the house of representatives is on holiday for two weeks, and so the six the extra $60 billion in aid for ukraine is not happening. and we've just seen ukraine withdrawn from a town, a rare russian victory. and this is all coming at a very, very difficult time because we've got, uh , trump in the, in the

got, uh, trump in the, in the wings. is he going to continue to support ukraine? he's the british taxpayer. want to continue to support ukraine? no. but i think what we're and today we'll hear cameron in the house of lords then hear of lords and then we'll hear somebody making somebody in the commons making a statement , there'll be statement, but there'll be unanimity and i suspect very few. bev will in the commons will share your scepticism if that's the right word about how the way he was killed, i just don't don't know, don't know, i don't know, i don't know, i don't know, i don't have any evidence either way does biden, way and neither does biden, neither cameron. if had neither do cameron. if i had to put money on it, if you had to put money on it, if you had to put on it, but you're not put money on it, but you're not putting not putting money on it, you're not putting money on it, you're not putting it. putting money on it. >> what you're doing is you're putting because putting on murdered because he murders putting on murdered because he muaars of people all the time, >> a lot of people all the time, every, every around every, every leader around the world murdered world kills people, murdered people on british. he murdered people on british soil. he murdered on british soil. murdered people on british soil. >> but you can't someone >> but you can't say someone murdered the time. >> but you can't say someone muritherefore the time. >> but you can't say someone muritherefore they the time. >> but you can't say someone muritherefore they tihavere. and therefore they must have murdered i know murdered this man. i don't know his operandi. don't his modus operandi. i don't know. and you know cameron know. and you don't know cameron doesn't know. doesn't know doesn't know. biden doesn't know . that's the point. none of you know. and yet you're all everybody leaping out and saying, oh, he was killed by

putin. cameron saying must putin. cameron saying there must be against him which putin. cameron saying there must be going against him which putin. cameron saying there must be going to against him which putin. cameron saying there must be going to affectst him which putin. cameron saying there must be going to affect us. im which putin. cameron saying there must be going to affect us. well,iich are going to affect us. well, the british people were already being affected amount of being affected by the amount of money in ukraine. money we're spending in ukraine. we're towards we're already tipping towards world three because of our world war three because of our obsession with keeping russia where it to stay. where we want it to stay. there's no suggestion , ian. i've there's no suggestion, ian. i've always said that there's no suggestion, ian, putin is suggestion, ian, that putin is an expansion power. he's got the biggest landmass country in the world. >> i think people in ukraine might disagree with that. he's just expanded into ukraine massively . and if wins that, massively. and if he wins that, where next? the where does he go next? the baltic states, poland . that's worry. >> his logic, if you listen to him and you listen to what he has to say, you can't say there's evidence of an expansionist power. >> in ukraine, bevin. he's >> he's in ukraine, bevin. he's been since 2014. and he's been there since 2014. and he's then stepped up the expansion in then stepped up the expansion in the last two years. the second anniversary this week , he did anniversary this week, he did you notice it ? you not notice it? >> as he will say, when that war started, it was the ukrainians who started to bomb the russians in the donbas region in the east, in donetsk . and that was

east, in donetsk. and that was when he then went in to protect the russian people. the russian speaking people in that area. and here we are two years later with all the western politicians all wanting to spend our taxpayers money on this ridiculous situation. so that ukraine can stay out of russia and kamala harris and the nato is increased five times towards russia, and every single time, i mean, in this interview, we've seen the clip here with tucker. when putin said asked to join when putin said he asked to join nato, to join nato. nato, he asked to join nato. he's asked on multiple occasions. been occasions. he's always been told, want you . told, no, we don't want you. well, said, if i was well, why? he said, if i was part of nato, we would be a force against the middle east, would force against would be a force against china together. and for whatever reason , subsequent american reason, subsequent american presidents no , we presidents have said no, we don't war is don't want you. war is profitable oil. it's very profitable oil. it's very profitable anyway . let us know profitable anyway. let us know what you think. do you know we'd send the emails and what's the address? uh gb views. at gbnews.com. >> now, up next, labour leader sir keir starmer , in a speech at sir keir starmer, in a speech at the weekend he's called for a ceasefire that lasts in gaza. is this another and how are

this another u—turn and how are labour going to vote with that vote on wednesday by for the snp to have immediate ceasefire to have an immediate ceasefire in gaza? this is britain's newsroom on gb news

this morning well , the business morning well, the business secretary, kemi badenoch, has accused the former chairman of the post office this is a war of words. we start in sunday times yesterday of lying in a row over the handling the horizon. it scandal. >> henry staunton claimed that he'd been told by a senior government official to slow down the payment of compensation for sub to allow the sub postmasters to allow the tories into the next election. >> well, joining us now is the tory peer lord arbuthnot, who has led a parliamentary campaign to investigate the post office scandal and was frankly there first. lord arbuthnot, good morning to you. good morning. you and i have been veterans of wars of words between cabinet ministers and people making accusations. kemi badenoch response is pretty full on.

she's accused staunton of lying fiction, and she's even going to the commons to make a statement thatis the commons to make a statement that is a really, really forcible push back. whose side are you on in this ? are you on in this? >> well, i'm suspending judgement. i've been i've been in this battle now since 2009, and i have come to learn that i don't accept anything unless it is corroborated. of course , one is corroborated. of course, one thing i would want to say about this war of words between henry staunton and kemi badenoch is that they both may be telling the truth because clearly kemi badenoch wrote to henry staunton when he took his office in the first place to say, you've got to deliver compensation to the postmasters. but it may also be true that an official told him, slow things down, and i just don't know at the moment. i'm going to wait till i see all the

evidence. >> well, could i just challenge you on that, lord arbuthnot, could official or senior could an official or a senior official henry official say that to henry staunton without the without knowing that that was what the minister wanted him or her to say ? say? >> yes . >> yes. >> yes. >> what they could they could do . the civil servant could do that without the say so of the cabinet minister of the secretary of state. >> yes, i can, i can, i can well see how, how, uh, civil servant uh, could , would say to the uh, could, would say to the chairman of what was, after all, an arm's length organisation and still is, uh, peculiar concept, i must say , uh, could say , uh, i i must say, uh, could say, uh, i know that's what they're saying. these ministers , but what they these ministers, but what they really mean is x, y and z and i can well see that happening . can well see that happening. >> i think the public will be listening to this and saying, yet again , this is one of these yet again, this is one of these situations where politicians are looking at a he said she said ,

looking at a he said she said, who said what? and actually the most important thing is that those postmasters get their compensation and they get it quickly and they get their names cleared. you must you must share our frustration with that. when a story like this is making the headlines, well, i completely agree. >> uh, the key thing is to get the money to the sub postmasters that has been taken away from them . um, it's their money. and them. um, it's their money. and they also deserve , uh, proper they also deserve, uh, proper recompense for the ghastliness that they've been through. uh, so , so that that involves, of so, so that that involves, of course, overturning a lot of convictions and then later on we can move on to holding to account those who are responsible. so this is, in a sense, a row about second order issues. yeah uh, what i do think issues. yeah uh, what i do think is essential is , is that is essential is, is that compensation should not be

delayed for any limping into any general election . it is the key general election. it is the key thing is to compensate or give redress to the sub postmasters whose money it is . whose money it is. >> lord. >> lord. >> lord. >> lord arbuthnot . um, what >> lord arbuthnot. um, what about fujitsu ? an incredibly about fujitsu? an incredibly wealthy, successful company. the chief executive or the chairman ? chief executive or the chairman? whoever it was, was before that committee of mps accepting a moral responsibility , accepting moral responsibility, accepting a financial responsibility . but a financial responsibility. but they're telling us they won't pay up they're telling us they won't pay up until the public inquiry is concluded. that could be 2026. that simply isn't acceptable, is it? why don't they make at least an interim payment ? because it was their they make at least an interim payment? because it was their it system . system. >> i do hope it's going to be before , uh, 2026 of the public before, uh, 2026 of the public inquiry report. i'd like it to be this year, but i suppose that's, uh, wishing against hope for me. um, yes. that's, uh, wishing against hope for me. um, yes . yes, i think for me. um, yes. yes, i think fujitsu should make an interim

payment in. it's not just that. it was their it system . um, they it was their it system. um, they were all touring the accounts of supposed masters without their knowledge and without the knowledge and without the knowledge of the subpostmasters , knowledge of the subpostmasters, without keeping any records of what they were doing, what they were altering , and they were were altering, and they were joining in the prosecution of subpostmasters with evidence . subpostmasters with evidence. acas, which was later found to be simply untrue. now that shows to me that they have not just a moral obligation and a responsibility, but a legal obugafion responsibility, but a legal obligation and a responsibility . obligation and a responsibility. the problem from the post office's and the government's point of view is that fujitsu will probably say that they were keeping the post office fully informed about everything that they were doing. there's a lot to come out in this public inquiry yet . and, uh , the amount inquiry yet. and, uh, the amount of money that fujitsu need needs to pay should be high. i believe

. but the total bill is going to be over £1 billion. and i would say that fujitsu should pay a good half of that, maybe more. yeah absolutely. >> well, i think we all agree with you. um, mp lord arbuthnot there. uh, thank you, former mp thanks so much forjoining us. i think he thanked the lord for people like lord arbuthnot because he's been fighting this, a lonely campaign on the back . a lonely campaign on the back. >> mean, knew i've known for >> i mean, i knew i've known for james was james years when he was a backbencher the backbencher and then the minister, and kevin minister, but i mean, and kevin jones on the labour benches in the of commons and the house of commons because and of kevin, would we of course, kevin, where would we be and that be without alan bates and that tv . tv and andrew bridgen. >> bridgen mp >> yeah. and andrew bridgen mp absolutely . because right absolutely. because he was right about that. absolutely. because he was right abothey,|t. absolutely. because he was right abothey, they, fought >> they, they, they fought and fought you are it fought and fought and you are it is goliath. it is. is david against goliath. it is. >> and it's so infuriating >> and it's just so infuriating to think about people. to think about the people. i mean, payments for mean, we're seeing payments for two of these are two years. some of these are elderly be elderly people. this should be a retirement. enjoying . retirement. they're enjoying. >> have died, bev. some are >> some have died, bev. some are in who have in sick and some who have compensation have seen two thirds up legal thirds of it eaten up by legal fees because the post office have incredibly have employed incredibly

expensive lawyers. and who's paying expensive lawyers. and who's paying ? the taxpayer, paying that? the taxpayer, because the post office is publicly right? publicly owned, right? >> moving on. before my head explodes, labour considering explodes, labour is considering backing an motion calling backing an snp motion calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. hear what the gaza. let's hear what the leader, sir keir starmer , said leader, sir keir starmer, said in scotland yesterday . in scotland yesterday. >> the fighting , not >> an end to the fighting, not just now, not just for a pause, but permanently a ceasefire that lasts . conference. that is what lasts. conference. that is what must happen now. the fighting must happen now. the fighting must stop now . so sounds similar must stop now. so sounds similar to what scottish labour leader anas sarwar said at the same conference on friday. >> so today i once again say loudly and clearly the fighting must stop right now . now must stop right now. now >> let's speak to gb news, a political editor correspondent, olivia utley . good morning olivia utley. good morning olivia, lovely to see you. um, this is this a change from keir starmer ? he's so slippery that i starmer? he's so slippery that i can never quite get a handle on

where he stands on any position. and he very much wasn't calling for ceasefire initially. is for a ceasefire initially. is this the first time he's said that? and could it be do with that? and could it be to do with the that a lot of his the fact that a lot of his muslim voters are going be muslim voters are going to be voting independent voting for independent candidates than labour? candidates, rather than labour? >> well , i candidates, rather than labour? >> well, i think that's a very good question , bev. it is good question, bev. it is a marked shift in tone. previously the labour leader has always said that he would like to see an end to the fighting eventually , but that he does not eventually, but that he does not want israel to have to lay down its tools immediate . he is still its tools immediate. he is still saying that he doesn't want labour to have to the israel to lay down its tools immediately, but he does say that he wants a ceasefire. now to those of us listening at home, that sounds very similar to wanting an immediate ceasefire. keir starmer is in a really politically awkward situation. in november , there was a vote in in november, there was a vote in the commons on whether , uh, the commons on whether, uh, israel should israel and gaza should have a ceasefire . and 56 should have a ceasefire. and 56 labour mps backed that motion,

including ten shadow ministers who ended up leaving their ministerial roles on this wednesday , the snp is tabling wednesday, the snp is tabling a similar motion in the house of commons and keir starmer is very , very worried about a backlash from his labour mps. he does not want to be losing any more shadow ministers. want to be losing any more shadow ministers . what position shadow ministers. what position is the labour frontbench going to take on this motion? last week? i think we all would have said that they would have not yet backed that motion in the same in same way that they didn't in november. they would not call for ceasefire in for an immediate ceasefire in gaza. for an immediate ceasefire in gaza . but we are heading up for gaza. but we are heading up for this rochdale by—election. keir starmer is worried about the people rochdale for people of rochdale voting for independence course, the independence and of course, the situation in rafah is getting more more unstable . it is more and more unstable. it is just possible that keir starmer will now be backing a ceasefire . will now be backing a ceasefire. >> okay. thank you olivia and now still to come this morning the government apparently enforcing mobile phone ban in enforcing a mobile phone ban in schools don't believe a word we've got that already haven't we. this is britain's newsroom

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gb news. >> it's 10 am. on monday the 19th of february. this is britain's newsroom on gb news. andrew pearson, bev turner and eliza january. well, that's because got it wrong. eliza january. well, that's becthee got it wrong. eliza january. well, that's becthe script got it wrong. eliza january. well, that's becthe script shouldn't�*ng. eliza january. well, that's becthe script shouldn't give the >> the script shouldn't give the stuff away. >> navalny mps >> navalny responds. mps returning after returning to westminster after a week's break to discuss what action the government should or shouldn't take after death shouldn't take after the death of opposition shouldn't take after the death of foreignopposition shouldn't take after the death of foreign secretary lord leader. foreign secretary lord cameron says there should be consequences. do you consequences. really, do you think this is an issue that requires the intervention of british, of the british parliament and post office payouts ? payouts? >> the business secretary has accused the former chairman of the post office of lying in the handung the post office of lying in the handling of the horizon scandal. kemi badenoch is going to make a statement today to refute claims that the government delayed statement today to refute claims that thcompensation delayed statement today to refute claims that thcompensation .elayed statement today to refute claims that thcompensation . and ad statement today to refute claims that thcompensation . and to the giving compensation. and to the fighting, not just now, not just for a pause, but permanently a ceasefire that lasts. >> conference . that is what must >> conference. that is what must happen now . the fighting must happen now. the fighting must

stop now. but of course, sir keir starmer still hasn't told us whether labour mps will support a vote demanding just that. >> a ceasefire now in the commons, which has been called by scottish national party by the scottish national party on and schools in on wednesday and schools in england are apparently going to get greater powers to ban mobile phonesin get greater powers to ban mobile phones in a move that the government will reduce government claims will reduce disruption and improve behaviour in the classroom. >> aren't teachers already having this fight? every hour of every single day? and this is guidance, by the way, from the education secretary, gillian keegan. >> guidance and its guidance. the schools already have because you've got kids, you know, lots, lots of my mates have got kids and they say it's up to the headteacher whether the phone is confiscated when they arrive, whether allowed to bring on school premises, whether it's put the locker and schools put in the locker and schools are this anyway, if

are doing this anyway, if you are doing this anyway, if you are or a or are a parent or a teacher or grandparent, you're dealing this. >> let know m" >> let us know what you think about announcement from about this big announcement from the today. gb views the government today. gb views at news. com the government today. gb views at yeah,ns. com the government today. gb views at yeah, thiszom the government today. gb views at yeah, this isn the government today. gb views at yeah, this is a response to >> yeah, this is a response to brianna ghey , i.e. exactly what brianna ghey, i.e. exactly what it is. brianna ghey, i.e. exactly what it irthat's it brianna ghey, i.e. exactly what it itthat's it it's >> that's what it is. it's a response death response to the death of that poor trans child, that young woman who died and her parents obviously came out and said this was to do her death with was partly to do her death with the of mobile phones. but the use of mobile phones. but teachers are already fighting this government are this battle. the government are not giving them any extra powers. were really powers. if they were really serious it . in powers. if they were really serious it. in my opinion, powers. if they were really seri

as a boy, aged seven. a three year old girl and a ten month old boy . officers responded to a old boy. officers responded to a welfare call and arrested a 42 year old woman at the scene. she was taken to hospital and is still in police custody. we understand that forensic examinations are now underway to determine how those three children died . in other news, children died. in other news, new guidance has been issued today for teachers in england on how to ban mobile phones in schools . it allows head teachers schools. it allows head teachers to ban phones during lesson breaks and lunches with provisions for searches if necessary . the union necessary. the union representing head teachers , representing head teachers, though, says robust rules already exist and they've dismissed the guidance as a non policy for a non problem, they say. but the education secretary, gillian keegan , told secretary, gillian keegan, told us this morning on gb news that the government is ensuring clarity and consistency exists across all classrooms. what we're trying to do is change the social norm, change the norm in our schools that that phones are not acceptable in our schools and but some other countries have already done this quite a

few countries have already done this, and we just want to make sure consistent we sure that it's consistent and we make we empower make it clear and we empower head do this. head teachers to do this. >> we think mostly this >> and we think that mostly this is something that parents would welcome a search is underway today in leicester after a two year old boy fell into the river sodi’. 5061“. >> soan >> emergency services responded just after 5:00 last night to an area near marsden lane. leicestershire police are leading the ongoing operation there and have deployed additional specialist teams today. you can see there if you're watching on tv, pictures of those rescue operations or search operations as they are now taking place at that river. officers say rising river levels are presenting some danger, and they've asked people to keep away from the area . to the 15 away from the area. to the 15 year old boys are to appear in bristol youth court today, charged with the murder of a 16 year old daria williams was fatally stabbed in rawnsley park in bristol . fatally stabbed in rawnsley park in bristol. the two fatally stabbed in rawnsley park in bristol . the two attackers in bristol. the two attackers allegedly wore masks before fleeing the scene on bicycles on wednesday evening last week,

avon and somerset police have now introduced enhanced stop and search measures in the city, and they've also launched a new operation targeting youth violence. we understand there will also be additional patrols outside schools and a mobile police station will be in the area over the coming days. it comes just weeks after the deaths of two teenagers, mason wrist and max dixon, who were also stabbed in bristol. wrist and max dixon, who were also stabbed in bristol . the also stabbed in bristol. the death of russian opposition leader alexei navalny is expected to take centre stage in parliament later, as mps return to westminster after recess. mr navalny's widow, yulia, is expected to meet with eu foreign ministers later today. his family has accused the russian president of orchestrating his murder and they say authorities are withholding his body for foreign secretary. lord cameron has signalled the possibility of fresh sanctions against russian officials as international leaders lay blame on vladimir putin. meanwhile, the kremlin has vowed to use its entire

arsenal , has vowed to use its entire arsenal, including nuclear missiles, if it's pressured into withdrawing its forces from ukraine. in a post on the social media app telegram , former media app telegram, former russian president dmitry medvedev warned of all out war against key western cities, including here in london. if russia doesn't get its way in ukraine, us president joe biden said at the weekend that he was confident a $60 billion military aid package would be passed in us congress, giving ukraine a much needed boost. he says in its efforts to contain russia's invasion , lord david cameron invasion, lord david cameron will arrive in the falkland islands today in a high profile demonstration that they are, he says, a valued part of the british family. says, a valued part of the british family . the historic british family. the historic visit, the first by a foreign secretary since 1994, comes amid renewed argentine calls for negotiations on the island's future. lord cameron says the sovereignty of the falklands is non—negotiable , all which he non—negotiable, all which he says is in line with the islanders desire to remain

british and hundreds of people are set to meet on dartmoor next week for the largest mass trespass in a generation , trespass in a generation, calling for the right to roam. they say in england, campaigners will gather at vixen tor in devon on saturday, challenging what they say is the absurdity of access islands. that's the name given to areas in england where the public has the right to roam , but no one can get to to roam, but no one can get to without trespassing. the countryside and rights of way act gives people a right to roam over certain landscapes , over certain landscapes, covering around 8% of england. however, organisers of that mass trespass say the law is broken and the public should be given comprehensive access rights . for comprehensive access rights. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to our website, gbnews.com. forward slash alerts . forward slash alerts. >> good morning. it's 710 seven

with britain's newsroom gb news andrew pearson bev turner right. you've been getting such home. we the top of we had that debate at the top of the alexei navalny's the show about alexei navalny's death, death in death, the sad death in in russia , some people saying russia, some people saying absolutely on your side, andrew, the balance of probability. he was murdered . you don't know was murdered. you don't know what cameron and biden know. bev turner to, somebody calling turner to, um, somebody calling me apologist, that's not me a putin apologist, that's not the situation. >> that. >> i didn't say that. >> i didn't say that. >> you did not. >> you did not. >> wasn't me. >> it wasn't me. >> it wasn't me. >> and , um, but lorraine has >> and, um, but lorraine has said we shouldn't be interfering with maybe our with navalny's death. maybe our government does have intelligence murdered intelligence that putin murdered him. they tell us him. they don't tell us everything. nevertheless, they shouldn't us. paul shouldn't involve us. and paul says point. says bev makes a valid point. putin dreadful . but i'll list putin is dreadful. but i'll list . um, but my belief that the west is any better and our foreign policy constantly inflames conflicts around the world name human world in the name of human rights. tell rights. who are we to tell others to how live? >> well, tony blair >> well, just think tony blair and now, which is and the iraq war now, which is exactly what the business sector became. you bad note coming became. you bad note it's coming out all guns blazing today. in response to a sunday times story where staunton , the former response to a sunday times story where of staunton , the former response to a sunday times story where of the unton , the former response to a sunday times story where of the post] , the former response to a sunday times story where of the post office, ormer chairman of the post office, effectively he'd told

effectively said he'd been told by senior civil servant to by a senior civil servant to delay payments to postmasters and post offices in that horizon it scandal. >> so joining us now is political piers political commentator piers pottinger. pierce . pottinger. good morning, pierce. >> pierce, ran bell >> pierce, when you ran bell pottinger, only did you pottinger, not only did you advise thatcher and advise margaret thatcher and john you advise some of john major, you advise some of the of the biggest captains of industry. absolutely . industry. yep, absolutely. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> british aerospace and all that of thing. henry that sort of thing. henry staunton is a big figure the staunton is a big figure in the city was badly city whose reputation was badly damaged badenoch damaged when kemi badenoch sacked him as chairman of the post office. very publicly and said, you've got to the said, you've got to pay the price. reports he's price. sunday times reports he's saying , oh, doing doing my saying, oh, i was doing doing my orders wasn't senior civil orders, wasn't i? a senior civil servant me i had slow it servant told me i had to slow it all down. it smelled to me. i could almost see, see, see the threads like a public relations firm had organised this interview to try and burnish his credentials . credentials. >> yes, it looked like that to me as well. trying to protect his reputation . ian. um, he was his reputation. ian. um, he was among many other jobs he his reputation. ian. um, he was among many otherjobs he had. he was a non—executive director of ladbrokes at one point, so i think he was taking a gamble

with this article and, and i really don't like the way people turn their departures when sacked into i'm a victim and attack the government. i mean , attack the government. i mean, michelle mone has been turning herself into a victim in a most unpleasant way. i think , and i unpleasant way. i think, and i don't think henry staunton will come out of this very well. judging by kemi badenoch reaction , which is extraordinary reaction, which is extraordinary for a minister, a secretary of state to go on twitter and accuse someone of lying is pretty, pretty unusual as well. >> she's going to make a statement in the comments today because she is so enraged. we talked to james arbuthnot, lord arbuthnot earlier, saying, could this could he have spoken to a civil servant who said that without ministerial consent? he said, could. said, oh yes, he could. >> certainly. and >> yes. most certainly. and i mean, these days, the civil servants, afraid people servants, i'm afraid people still idea of the civil still have the idea of the civil servants from. yes, minister being rather deferential , being rather deferential, slightly machiavellian, but

always behaving impeccably . always behaving impeccably. unfortunately, i don't think that's the case these days. and whoever this civil servant was, if indeed he or she existed, i think was perhaps going well beyond beyond their own brief and perhaps simply conveying their own opinion rather than their own opinion rather than the government's and limping into an election is not something that is actually in any way relevant to the situation in the post office, as i'm sure kemi badenoch will explain. >> i don't think it does. >> i don't think it does. >> i don't think it would help the tories for the compensation to be held up, because the tories want people want to see mr bates and the rest get their compensation . and compared to compensation. and compared to what it's going to cost in the blood, the infected blood scandal, it's quite a small compensation . but i mean, the compensation. but i mean, the tories need to get this compensation paid now, of course they i think everybody wants >> and i think everybody wants this happen . it'sjust >> and i think everybody wants this happen . it's just some this to happen. it's just some of legal problems that we've of the legal problems that we've got sort of catch 22 situations

need to be resolved . and, and need to be resolved. and, and i think the government is doing its best to do it because the groundswell of opinion is huge about the this dreadful injustice that needs to be sorted out as fast as possible . sorted out as fast as possible. i think in the by elections, we've just seen, it was noticeable that the lib dems did very badly indeed. and i wonder how much that's got to do with their leader, ed davey, who still not really come clean himself about his role in the post office. >> minister . >> minister. >> minister. >> he was the minister for the post office and in many ways, and much more involved than henry staunton , henry staunton. henry staunton, i think, was unlucky because he came in to be chairman at the wrong time and then didn't actually do what he was supposed to do. it would appear he was given very clear, written instructions and was eventually sacked. for whatever reason . and sacked. for whatever reason. and there are lots of rumours about why he was actually sacked. and i suspect kemi badenoch is going to go into some detail about

them today . of course, in the them today. of course, in the house of commons you can libel someone. you can slander someone without recourse. the only place in the land you can do it. and so henry staunton's played with fire. he's taken the gamble and i personally think he may have made a very big mistake. and i don't think this will do his reputation for the future. if he wants any other senior non—executive roles any good. and if i'd been advising him, i'd have. i would not have suggested ed. he did an interview like that portraying himself as some kind of victim . himself as some kind of victim. it really doesn't wash while we're talking about by elections. >> the first time that andrew and i have been on a since the by elections last week. um, what's your assessment of it? not for the not good. clearly, for the conservative cause, but perhaps the issue in terms of the bigger issue in terms of democracy was the appalling turnout. yeah a very bad turnout. >> and it is worrying for democracy. i am concerned about

it. >> about 35. yeah >> about 35. yeah >> it was very poor turnout . and >> it was very poor turnout. and again, if you take into account, at least in kingswood, where the reform party vote, if the reform party voters had voted conservative, they would have won just and so it's not a question of huge and where rishi is. right. it's not enthusiasm for the labour party . no one for the labour party. no one really has enthusiasm , partly really has enthusiasm, partly because they don't know what they really stand for. as keir starmer spends his whole time flip flopping. as we know. and again, don't forget, only five years ago, keir starmer said that jeremy corbyn would make a great prime minister and he worked hard to on corbyn's behalf and, you know, whatever starmer's real, uh, feelings are , he still hasn't really , um, , he still hasn't really, um, uh, got rid of his former extreme left views and he is not publicly denounce them. and

that's why i think starmer is such a sinister and worrying man . and when the general election does come, it would be catastrophic for this country if people voted starmer in to be prime minister because some of the things the labour party are planning to do, which they don't talk about, such as changing the constitution, so that there's proportional representation , an proportional representation, an especially geared in a way to keep them in power for the foreseeable future. doing things like changing the work, working rules. so that flexible working becomes the norm, which is a disaster for britain's businesses , and banning people businesses, and banning people from talking bosses talking to their staff outside hours, all these kind of things, which they are, they're cast in stone. they're going to introduce them . they're going to introduce them. it's would destroy britain's it's it would destroy britain's business, make us even less competitive. it will certainly make growth impossible . abel. make growth impossible. abel.

um, starmer is in a very, very , um, starmer is in a very, very, uh, dangerous position in, in my view, in terms of the good of this country, if he was elected , this country, if he was elected, it would be really immensely harmful . but he, you know , the harmful. but he, you know, the problem is the conservatives have nothing to show for 13 years of government other than brexit, which don't forget, i still think was the right thing. but it hasn't produced the results we would have hoped for a variety of reasons, not all the government's fault, but that doesn't matter because the people, the voters haven't seen anything tangible from this government and people who voted in those by elections would say they disagree with you , that they disagree with you, that they disagree with you, that they put labour in those positions there because they think that their policies, or at least that are going to work for them , and that keir starmer does them, and that keir starmer does have a vision and then they're on with 20% on private on board with 20% on private school fees. >> the idea is that the few >> and the idea is that the few things that we do know about him. >> yeah, well, i think very few people any people would agree about any

intelligent people would agree about the private school fees being put up. i think because that damages all schools in this country and is actually a fundamentally stupid thing to do and purely spiteful, fundamentally stupid thing to do and purely spiteful , full and purely spiteful, full socialist spite of the worst kind. um, and also what he's planning to do in the countryside . anyone in the countryside. anyone in the countryside. anyone in the countryside who votes labour must be barking mad. >> what do you have for breakfast this morning ? breakfast this morning? >> right. >> right. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> piers, we wanted to ask you about the forum, but we'll have to do that next time. that's piers pottinger, who never pulls his punches. >> now. come this >> now. still to come this morning. avanti is morning. train company avanti is offering its female staff menopause packages, menopause support packages, including jelly babies, in case you want to buy someone's head off. is it patronising and offensive or just a bit of fun? we're going to be discussing that next and possibly biting off few jelly off the head of a few jelly babies. this is britain's newsroom on .

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radio. >> ain't half hot mum . >> ain't half hot mum. >> ain't half hot mum. >> good morning. it's 1021. >> good morning. it's1021. you're with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce. i'm bev turner now. calm down, everybody . we're joined by everybody. we're joined by matthew laza and emma woolf in the we've also got a the studio and we've also got a few props here that we'll be getting, but we want to ask matthew, first all, can you matthew, first of all, can you explain scottish matthew, first of all, can you explainleader scottish matthew, first of all, can you explainleader said scottish matthew, first of all, can you explainleader said on scottish matthew, first of all, can you explainleader said on fridayh matthew, first of all, can you explainleader said on friday in labour leader said on friday in glasgow at the party conference we want an immediate ceasefire in gaza. >> uh, keir starmer said on sunday yesterday we want the fighting to so why has fighting to stop now. so why has every single labour frontbencher been unable in tv and radio interviews since the weekend, been unable to say whether they will support the scottish national party motion on wednesday calling for an immediate what what immediate ceasefire what what what he up to? what is he up to? >> well, what what labour is up to is making sure that the snp don't play city politics with what's issue that is what's an issue that is obviously a grave importance. no. absolutely not. i mean , no. absolutely not. i mean, look, absolutely look, labour's been absolutely clear the weekend clear over the weekend in scotland wes streeting has scotland and wes streeting has said, uh, uh, today , uh, that an said, uh, uh, today, uh, that an attack on arafat , which will see

attack on arafat, which will see attack on arafat, which will see a million and a half people displaced with nowhere go, is displaced with nowhere to go, is beyond is not beyond self—defence and is not the right thing to do, not least because it will lose israel further international support when we to do is see the when we want to do is see the hostages that holds are hostages that hamas holds are come home. so the snp are playing politics with this. they're trying to make what they want to do is try and paint labour into a corner for their want to do is try and paint labo political corner for their want to do is try and paint labopolitical purposes, their want to do is try and paint labo political purposes, because own political purposes, because they're in such crisis in scotland . so we will, you know, scotland. so we will, you know, over the next couple. i mean, the most important because because the for the motion. because the vote for the motion. >> i don't >> yes. sorry, i don't know. >> yes. sorry, i don't know. >> i'm not not the >> because i'm not i'm not the labour chief whip. but what i do know, to fighting. >> yes. >> yes. >> what i know >> what i do know is, is, is that passing an snp that passing an sme, an snp opposition day motion, which is nothing government opposition day motion, which is nothing is government opposition day motion, which is nothing is entirely)vernment policy but is entirely only a show, political demonstration policy but is entirely only a shnot political demonstration policy but is entirely only a shnot goingtical demonstration policy but is entirely only a shnot going torl demonstration policy but is entirely only a shnot going to stopnonstration policy but is entirely only a shnot going to stopnonstrati so is not going to stop the war. so labour ceasefire , labour will want a ceasefire, but it doesn't. >> i think that we deserve to know. actually, it's monday now. we know your we deserve to know how your party vote on party are going to vote on wednesday. deserve know wednesday. we deserve to know people's positions think people's positions. i think people's positions. i think people taking people respect people taking a position the position. but this is the problem politics problem with politics at the

moment is that you're dancing around issue, to around the issue, trying to appease trying appease everybody, trying to keep single camp keep a foot in every single camp and so we end up having zero respect well respect for politicians. well said. a what you've said said. a lot of what you've said about is absolutely about rafa is absolutely correct, but just be honest. come and talk to the voters come out and talk to the voters as though we're grown ups. >> that that's >> well, i think that that's what did at the weekend. what they did at the weekend. they were outlined policy in some they were outlined policy in sonwes streeting today, >> wes streeting say today, which will vote on which way that they will vote on wednesday they yes wednesday because they yes or no, because because they've they've the they've only just seen the motion they're going to they're going going to going to sit they're going to sit how people sit down and discuss how people want vote. sit down and discuss how people warbecause�*. isn't a motion. >> because this isn't a motion. if this was a motion that would if motion passed, andrew, if this was a motion that would if mhappens. assed, andrew, if this was a motion that would if mhappens. it'szd, andrew, if this was a motion that would if mhappens. it's just ndrew, nothing happens. it's just literally a government nothing happens. it's just literally it's a government nothing happens. it's just literally it's obviously ernment nothing happens. it's just literally it's obviously the nent motion. it's obviously the british government is all the time when they nothing's british government is all the time \tozn they nothing's british government is all the time \to happen nothing's british government is all the time \to happen a nothing's british government is all the time \to happen a result,g's going to happen as a result, because are things because often there are things that are directly the control because often there are things th.the'e directly the control because often there are things th.the british tly the control because often there are things th.the british government|trol because often there are things th.the british government so, of the british government so, you to you know, they can, you know, to put the nhs or to put more money for the nhs or to , to something that's , you know, to something that's actually um, actually domestic policy. um, this the snp playing politics this is the snp playing politics after failed government after their failed government with issue too with an issue that's too important respect, that's important with respect, that's taken 2000 to taken you what, 2000 words to explain that a simple yes or explain all that a simple yes or no would done. no would have done. >> a debate can't

>> it's a debate show. we can't have that. >> it's a debate show. we can't hav exactly . >> exactly. >> exactly. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> bev and phil, but some clarity can feel when you're clarity i can feel when you're reading laza and you are reading matthew laza and you are wriggling, going wriggling, right. they're going to how they're to have to decide how they're going which way going to vote and which way would you vote you were would you vote if you were labour what would you labour leader, what would you say uh, if if i was labour, >> uh, if i was if i was labour, if i was, well , >> uh, if i was if i was labour, if i was, well, i >> uh, if i was if i was labour, if i was, well , i actually if i was, well, i actually haven't read the text of the entire motion. so there we go. because i'm not mp , sadly, because i'm not an mp, sadly, uh, if any constituency wants me, available. um but the me, i am available. um but the on performance , they won't on this performance, they won't want you. oh, andrew. absolutely. you won't want me back so the truth back next week. um, so the truth of the matter is, is that i would like to see the see see the but clearly we need would like to see the see see the need but clearly we need would like to see the see see the need a but clearly we need would like to see the see see the need a ceasefire.arly we need do need a ceasefire. >> there's a response. >> there's a response. >> taken actually a couple >> it's taken actually a couple of to get using of months even to get to using the yeah. earlier, >> yeah. because earlier, earlier >> yeah. because earlier, ear he's a wonderful speaker. at >> he's a wonderful speaker. at least he's got that. >> we want starmer. we >> we didn't want a starmer. we didn't defence. didn't start his defence. >> break under your >> not going to break under your combined weight andrew. >> say just say >> what do you say i just say it's gone that. it's gone beyond that. >> retaliation. it's gone beyond that. >> yes retaliation. it's gone beyond that. >> yes iataliation. it's gone beyond that. >> yes i think:ion. it's gone beyond that. >> yes i think that's think >> yes i think that's i think that's feeling would that's the feeling i would suspect going to that's the feeling i would suspyin going to that's the feeling i would suspyin favour going to that's the feeling i would suspyin favour of going to that's the feeling i would suspyin favour of the going to that's the feeling i would suspyin favour of the motion. 0 vote in favour of the motion. what is get the

what they might do is get the snp change a few words of it. snp to change a few words of it. in a good tradition of the in a good old tradition of the labour party, right? >> woolf phones are >> emma woolf mobile phones are going in schools going to be banned in schools across england under guidance from gillian across england under guidance from was gillian across england under guidance from was chattinggillian across england under guidance from was chatting on. an across england under guidance from was chatting on. we had keegan was chatting on. we had showed a clip earlier this morning. excited morning. she's very excited about this literally about this. this is literally not news that they're not giving the teachers any greater powers. >> they're not. but i hate to look smug. been calling look smug. i have been calling for laugh at me if you for a ban. laugh at me if you will. i've been calling for a ban on mobile smartphones for under 16 seconds for months, and people are finally starting to get on board. >> does it take a total ban? >> does it take a total ban? >> i mean, a ban, i mean a ban. i don't think children need them. i think the internet, the onune them. i think the internet, the online murky. online world is murky. it's dangerous, it's violent, it's pornographic. children pornographic. it makes children anxious. makes them depressed anxious. it makes them depressed . overweight. . it makes them overweight. there to me. there there is nothing to me. there are upsides to children are no upsides to children needing to be. they don't need to be on social media. they need to be on social media. they need to children. that to me to be children. and that to me is up to 16. >> so, so, so as for schools listening, not quite sure. >> and phones. listening, not quite sure. >> they and phones. listening, not quite sure. >>they could and phones. listening, not quite sure. >> they could havei phones. listening, not quite sure. >> they could have another hones. listening, not quite sure. >> they could have another phone i >> -- >> if you 5mm em >> if you insist on your child having a brick phone they

having a brick phone that they can way to school, i can text on the way to school, i know argument access know there is an argument access the internet on that so you're not can you get not online and can you get phones easily? phones like that easily? >> do. they >> yeah, they still do. they still >> yeah, they still do. they stilyeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> there needs to be a middle ground because what >> there needs to be a middle grotfind because what >> there needs to be a middle grotfind teenagers,jse what you find is teenagers, particularly use particularly in big cities, use their find out their phone apps to find out when the next bus is, when the next they need to use next train is, they need to use the map. >> t’- t’— >> bev, we survived without all this. as teenagers, the minute you're online, you're online. >> yes, you're right, but how do they find out what time their train when they out of school? >> have a time. >> have a time. >> well, look, it's a sliding scale because then start scale because then you start to say all their say at school, all of their printing timetables, printing paper timetables, but normally the trains. so we need to world okay, okay. to change the world okay, okay. what more i you what matters more? i mean, you know, know, know, if, you know, i think somebody should be creating a teenage specific phone that has on it. >> okay, map app, it has >> okay, a map app, it has a train app , it has a travel app. train app, it has a travel app. yeah. it you can even maybe have a camera, idea. do well, a camera, an idea. do it. well, somebody it. there is somebody is doing it. there is something but you something like that. but you have social media have no access to social media on you can text your and on it. you can text your mum and your i'm the way your dad to say, i'm on the way home. you can your say. home. you can have your say. absolutely great. >> you think, matthew? >> what do you think, matthew? i mean, mean, say bev's

mean, i mean, i just say bev's right, by way, gillian right, by the way, gillian keegan, she this. keegan, she she she in this. in my this rather my view, this is a rather cynical response what cynical response to what happened ghey . happened to brianna ghey. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> timing is saying no >> the timing is mum saying no smartphones under 16. smartphones for people under 16. this is france. but the guidance is there already for schools and head teachers are doing it already. yeah head teachers are doing it alreso y. yeah head teachers are doing it alreso y. mean it does seem like >> so i mean it does seem like it's it's restatement it's a, it's a restatement of what's happening. just what's already happening. just for purposes to to, for political purposes to to, respond, to the tragic respond, uh, to the tragic murder. i mean, i think i'm with you, bev. i think that, you know, a middle way is a good you, bev. i think that, you know,whatddle way is a good you, bev. i think that, you know,what hle way is a good you, bev. i think that, you know,what i liked|y is a good you, bev. i think that, you know,what i liked in s a good you, bev. i think that, you know,what i liked in the good you, bev. i think that, you know,what i liked in the story idea. what i liked in the story this morning is, you know, because at moment, because at the moment, of course, people have course, in our day, people have to the secretary to to ring the school secretary to tell mum . you to tell your mum. you have to persuade ring persuade your mum to ring the school secretary, to tell her it wasn't texting. and wasn't all done texting. and apparently of apparently it's the return of calling office should calling the school office should be port call. be the first port of call. i remember payphone so remember the payphone was so powerful. remember the payphone was so pov1payphone by the school the payphone by the school office. the school could watch you when on the phone. you when you were on the phone. >> remember mrs. emery. >> i still remember mrs. emery. she was terrifying. yeah, absolutely. >> even more >> yeah, they were even more fierce than gp receptionists. >> were? absolutely. >> they were? absolutely. >> they were? absolutely. >> be off >> if you were going to be off sick you going to sick school, you were going to get a grilling. >> yes. are. absolutely. you

>> yes. you are. absolutely. you needed sure you were needed to make sure you were well 100 degrees thermometer. >> not sure that there thermometer. >:an not sure that there thermometer. >:an announcement that there thermometer. >:an announcement here there thermometer. >:an announcement here that; thermometer. >:an announcement here that the is an announcement here that the government is going provide government is going to provide lockers. government is going to provide lock go. american government is going to provide lockgo. american embassy you go to the american embassy to visa, and you have to get your visa, and you have to get your visa, and you have to your put your phone in to put your put your phone in a locker so you can't, you know, um, whether there's um, i mean, whether there's any money because money attached to that because they'reto one for every so know, to one for every pupil. so a lot of money. >> my school provided these >> my kids school provided these little they are, little pouches. yeah they are, and phone signal. and they block the phone signal. they're them the they're meant to put them in the pouch. what all the pouch. and guess what all the kids just ripped pouch. and guess what all the kids open just ripped pouch. and guess what all the kids open andjst ripped pouch. and guess what all the kids open and they rippedd pouch. and guess what all the kids open and they ripped them them open and they ripped them open. where are open. but this is what where are the consequences that? the consequences for that? >> okay, if you don't >> okay, so even if you don't agree under sixteens agree that the under sixteens don't least don't need phones, at least schools an absolutely schools should be an absolutely mobile zone. there mobile free zone. i mean, there is excuse for them using them is no excuse for them using them at lunchtimes even i just think that to look at the that we need to look at the epidemic the lack of epidemic of social, the lack of social skills people , the social skills people, the loneliness people need to learn how to interact again with other children, other young people, the constant distraction, the lack of eye contact, the lack of i mean, i used to be i was library manager, so i could sit and read the guardian in the warmth and read the guardian

even at school. >> indoctrinated from oh , a i >> indoctrinated from oh, a i read a range of papers, not infant read a range of papers, not infelt not infant school. i >> i no, not infant school. i did lead a strike at primary school against. that's another story were you story for another day. were you single for a long time at school matthew while you entirely, entirely. >> um. >> em- en- em— 5 we will touch on the. >> should we will touch on the. >> should we will touch on the. >> i was warm. yeah. in the library. >> i'd probably quite fancied you for reading a newspaper. don't um. right. don't worry. oh, um. right. baftas 2020. last night. not quite my type anymore. i don't think yours let's be think i'm yours either. let's be honest. right. baftas honest. um right. baftas blushing . honest. um right. baftas blushing. emma. honest. um right. baftas blushing . emma. what happened ? blushing. emma. what happened? >> uh, oppenheimer swept the board . yes. board. yes. >> yeah. has anybody seen it? >> yeah. has anybody seen it? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> me? very, very. >> me? very, very. >> it's three hours. that's what's put me off. >> it's three hours. that's whtand)ut me off. >> it's three hours. that's whtand)ut rafraid the last hour >> and i'm afraid the last hour in particular, you could chop it at really ? >> really? >> really? >> yeah. it goes to all this bonng >> yeah. it goes to all this boring explanation. i shouldn't say was very say boring because it was very important development of the nuclear nuclear nuclear power of nuclear bomb and it. and and all the rest of it. and he was figure. but and all the rest of it. and he w'was figure. but and all the rest of it. and he w'was too figure. but and all the rest of it. and he w'was too long. figure. but and all the rest of it. and he w'was too long. andigure. but and all the rest of it. and he w'was too long. and what but it was too long. and what happened joyful pink film happened to the joyful pink film where barbie, joyful barbie, joyful barbie, well , now that it joyful barbie, well, now that it didn't win anything but barbie.

>> well, nothing. oppenheimer. uh swept the board. and then the film about the auschwitz neighbours was the best british film and the best foreign language film. of interest. language film. zone of interest. yeah. which um, you yeah. very, very. which um, you know, of girding myself know, i'm sort of girding myself up say it's obviously very up to say it's obviously very important, but i mean, what important, but but i mean, what you're about oppenheimer, important, but but i mean, what you're think about oppenheimer, important, but but i mean, what you're think there'soppenheimer, important, but but i mean, what you're think there'sopfissue mer, do you think there's an issue here with, the netflix do you think there's an issue here with with, the netflix do you think there's an issue here with with, getting netflix do you think there's an issue here with with, getting ne' long age, with films getting too long because know, directors have because you know, directors have i you know , everybody's i think, you know, everybody's thinking long thinking in terms of very long stories. all used to ten stories. we're all used to ten parts. like parts. it's not even like the old part serial. so many films. >> what's wrong with two hours? >> what's wrong with two hours? >> there's kind of >> yeah, yeah, there's a kind of self—indulgence directors who >> yeah, yeah, there's a kind of self—justlgence directors who >> yeah, yeah, there's a kind of self—just sit nce directors who >> yeah, yeah, there's a kind of self—just sit down directors who >> yeah, yeah, there's a kind of self—just sit down and ctors who don't just sit down and do a proper edit, you know? >> and if you want to do an extra put on dvd. extra cut, put that on the dvd. >> you know, that out there >> you know, put that out there for absolutely. >> you know, put that out there for and absolutely. >> you know, put that out there for and writing olutely. >> and most of writing is actually and rewriting actually cutting and rewriting and cutting and shaping. and i think film directors need to remember that too. think film directors need to renander that too. think film directors need to renand it that too. think film directors need to renand it thathosted david >> and it was hosted by david tennant not very well tennant and not very well appearance. did you not so ? >> 7- >> he ? >> he seemed to 7 >> he seemed to be shouting a lot. quite shouty . lot. it was quite shouty. >> i thought that sort of >> i thought that he was sort of trying the room. trying to get the room. >> i guess the that >> i guess he's the voice that introduces the leader of the labour party at labour party

events right? events on record. is that right? yeah. certainly wasn't ed miliband today tennant? miliband today david tennant? absolutely. with the absolutely. he stayed with the labour thin. >> appearance e— >> um, appearance by michael j. fox saw the clips. >> um, appearance by michael j. fox that saw the clips. >> um, appearance by michael j. fox that was saw the clips. >> um, appearance by michael j. fox that was thatthe clips. >> um, appearance by michael j. fox that was that was:lips. >> um, appearance by michael j. fox that was that was amazing. >> that was that was amazing. >> that was that was amazing. >> . he has parkinson's. >> parkinson's quite advanced how. >> now. >> pretty debilitated, isn't he? yeah yeah. >> and very young to have yeah yeah. >:so.nd very young to have yeah yeah. >:so advanced.ry young to have it so advanced. >> yes. because he's now, as you say, advanced. say, it's gone quite advanced. but of us who but i mean, for those of us who remember from the future. >> right. matthew. emma. >> yeah, right. matthew. emma. thank much. to thank you so much. still to come. good morning. and come. good morning. hormone and drug induced transgender milk. that's by the that's milk produced by the breasts of somebody that was born a that's right. it's born a man. that's right. it's apparently just as as apparently just as good as breast according to one breast milk. according to one nhs trust . we will tell you the nhs trust. we will tell you the actual facts about this story . actual facts about this story. whether it is as good for babies as milk produced by mothers. we're going to be talking to an expert on this issue. don't go anywhere that and much more after your morning's . news after your morning's. news >> bev. andrew, thank you very much. it'sjust >> bev. andrew, thank you very much. it's just gone half past ten. our top story this morning

from bristol, a ten old from bristol, a ten month old baby among three children baby boy is among three children who were found dead at a house on other victims , we on sunday. the other victims, we understand, were a seven year on sunday. the other victims, we undboyand, were a seven year on sunday. the other victims, we undboy and were a seven year on sunday. the other victims, we undboy and aare a seven year on sunday. the other victims, we undboy and a three seven year on sunday. the other victims, we undboy and a three year| year on sunday. the other victims, we undboy and a three year oldar old boy and a three year old girl. that's to according police reports, officers have responded to a welfare call on sunday where they arrested a 42 year old woman at the scene. she was then taken to hospital and is still in police custody. forensic examinations are now underway to determine how those three children died. police say a local church has been opened for people to gather and to mourn, while uniformed officers will remain at the scene . new will remain at the scene. new guidance has been issued today for teachers in england on how to ban mobile phones in schools , to ban mobile phones in schools, which the government says will bnng which the government says will bring clarity and consistency to all classrooms. the guidelines are said to allow headteachers to ban phones during lessons, breaks and lunches , with breaks and lunches, with provisions for searches of pupils if necessary. but the union rep , pupils if necessary. but the union rep, resenting headteachers, says robust rules already exist and they've

dismissed the guidelines as a non policy for a non problem . a non policy for a non problem. a search is underway in leicester after a two year old boy fell into the river soar. emergency services responded just after 5:00 last night to an area near marston lane, leicestershire . marston lane, leicestershire. police are leading the ongoing operation there and have now deployed additional specialist teams . officers say rising water teams. officers say rising water levels are presenting some danger and they're asking people to keep away from the area . and to keep away from the area. and finally, hundreds of people are set to meet on dartmoor on saturday for the largest mass trespass in a generation . trespass in a generation. they're calling for the right to roam in england, challenging what they say is the absurdity of access island . that's the of access island. that's the name given to areas in england where the public does have a right to roam, but it remains inaccessible without having to trespass . organisers say the law trespass. organisers say the law is broken and the public should be given comprehensive access rights . and for the latest rights. and for the latest

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breastfeeding expert , but first breastfeeding expert, but first in a new gb news series , in a new gb news series, innovation britain, we're looking at the success of british manufacturing around the country. we're here at bowyer engineering in andover , in the south—west of england. >> they took on lots of apprentices every single year. sharon, why are apprenticeships important to bowyer ? important to bowyer? >> they're important to bowyer, but they're in important to all small manufacture and businesses everywhere. really we've got a lack of real skills coming in to the manufacturing and manufacturing business, and this allows to us get the apprentices in from the colleges. we can train them up. we work really closely with them and we can keep the skills that we teach them and you're lucky enough to manage the apprentices here at bowyer. >> sharon, what does the

apprenticeship scheme actually look like? okay >> it's a generally a 3 or 4 year course. we take the apprentices from the local colleges. we work really closely with them. their assessors come out . in three with them. their assessors come out. in three four month periods . they assess them. we work really closely . we get them up, really closely. we get them up, they get them up to the standard that they should to be complete their apprenticeship . their apprenticeship. apprenticeships um, and we teach them all we can here. essential skills for the small businesses that we need. and then hopefully they stay with us and carry on and we've made brilliant machinists , machinists out of machinists, machinists out of them. the local colleges are heavily funded by the government levy . um, so they've got a lot levy. um, so they've got a lot of money in so i think because of money in so i think because of that , the colleges are of that, the colleges are putting in more effort, um, into getting apprentices, apprentices out there to the local businesses because they're funded. so we are only reaping the benefits for that . the benefits for that. >> it's changing attitudes to apprenticeships here in andover

radio. coming up, diversity over competence. >> 1 in 10 met police recruits can't read or write in english. shocking we're going to be putting this to a former detective superintendent. but first, drug induced milk. >> um, from transgender women who were born male is meant to be as good for babies as mothers . breast milk. now, this is according to university hospital sussex nhs trust. >> well , i'm sussex nhs trust. >> well, i'm going to leave bev to the expert here, but this is i'm going to make one contribution here. these people do not do the trans cause any good whatsoever. i'm sure most trans. we just want to get on quietly with our lives and having these idiotic people making claims just sets making these claims just sets their back. and i regret their cause back. and i regret it that point of view. their cause back. and i regret it s0|at point of view. their cause back. and i regret it so this oint of view. their cause back. and i regret it so this is|t of view. their cause back. and i regret it so this is trans'iew. their cause back. and i regret it so this is trans feminine

>> so this is trans feminine induced lactation and joining us now is lactation consultant chloe dimond tucker, who knows all about the pros and cons of breastfeeding. hello, chloe . so breastfeeding. hello, chloe. so nice to see you. now first of all, if we can just start simply on why it is good for briefly moms and babies to be able to breastfeed . breastfeed. >> i mean, the benefits of breastfeeding are just absolutely endless. um, you know , and breast milk is just incredible in terms of, you know, it's , uh, it at the end of know, it's, uh, it at the end of the day, it can, um , do all the day, it can, um, do all sorts of incredible things. it's full of every single type of nutrient a baby needs. it adapts with the age of the baby. um so, you know, from the start, when the babies are first born, the colostrum is , um, exactly what colostrum is, um, exactly what the baby needs . and it's not the baby needs. and it's not just the nutrition, it's also, you know, the benefits of immunity, the microbiome is

passed on to the baby . it's, um, passed on to the baby. it's, um, you know, it's got everything that it needs. and if a mum has a baby prematurely , then the a baby prematurely, then the milk is designed so that that baby will be as healthy as possible . um, and it can really possible. um, and it can really protect that baby against, uh, you know, um, problems and diseases and things like that . diseases and things like that. so, you know, i think , and so, you know, i think, and benefits of milk go beyond. yeah. >> that's right. and it's not easy. and women need a lot of support i think to breastfeed. and often they're sent from and often they're sent home from hospital support sadly hospital with no support sadly these so you might say these days. so you might say well, the case then of well, that's in the case then of a woman maybe. and helping a trans woman maybe. and helping them to carry out this procedure would be good for them. and their baby. but this isn't natural, naturally produced breast milk. chloe so how do the men how are the men, the people who are born male and transition into being women ? how are they into being women? how are they able to breastfeed ? able to breastfeed? >> so, i mean , the process that >> so, i mean, the process that actually, um, is producing

breast milk, uh , does involve breast milk, uh, does involve lots of, um, hormones , lots of lots of, um, hormones, lots of medication , um, you know, which medication, um, you know, which has to be taken over a really long period of time in order to stimulate that, uh, milk , um, stimulate that, uh, milk, um, you know, and i think there's, there's little research at the moment to actually , uh, be able moment to actually, uh, be able to say exactly how nutritive that milk is. and i think, you know, that period of time when babies are just fed on milk, especially in the first six months of life, you know, nutrition is really vitally important in order to make sure that that baby is healthy and that that baby is healthy and that goes, you know, beyond just the them being a baby. but for the them being a baby. but for the rest of their lives. so, you know, i think, um, and also the quantity of milk that can be produced that, uh, you know, by this artificial stimulation is , this artificial stimulation is, is, you know, rarely enough to actually be able to, um , service actually be able to, um, service the baby properly . the baby properly. >> so, so if the, the new mother

is having a combination of oestrogen, progestin drone, um, something called galactagogue. these are words you may not be familiar with. andrew pierce galactagogue, which are, uh, there's one called domperidone. not dom perignon. that's slightly different. dom peridum is the drug that you can, but that women , women, born mothers that women, women, born mothers also will sometimes be given domperidone in order to increase milk supply . domperidone in order to increase milk supply. but what the male born mothers are producing, chloe , is what is it resembling? chloe, is what is it resembling? female breast milk ? female breast milk? >> i mean, the thing is, we don't really know. like you know, all of the facts at this moment in time. um you know, i think there's been a couple of case studies where they've monitored , uh, you know, the monitored, uh, you know, the nutrition value of that milk and, you know, it . the results and, you know, it. the results have been that it is nutritious, but, you know , it it would be but, you know, it it would be crazy to think that it was any

where near as nutritious as the milk that would be produced from , um, the mother of, you know , , um, the mother of, you know, the baby. and they'd carried that baby and given birth to the baby. so it's experimental, chloe. >> it's entirely experimental at this time, and we don't have any idea about the long terme effects of on the baby. and yet a lot of the literature is preoccupied by how this is good for the trans mother. it's for her mental well—being, which is put above necessarily the health needs of the baby . needs of the baby. >> yeah. and actually, i think what's really important to , to, what's really important to, to, um, you know, to, to consider here is that in fact, the are very there are lots of like negative sides for the trans genden negative sides for the trans gender, uh, person woman who is taking all these medications because quite often the side effects of periodontal , um, effects of periodontal, um, medication over a long period of time is that it can cause insomnia , depression, anxiety ,

insomnia, depression, anxiety, uh, nervous system problems . um, uh, nervous system problems. um, so, you know, i think these are facts that really need to be discussed and, and, um, uh, you know. yeah researched are exactly . and, and i think, you exactly. and, and i think, you know, that's really , really know, that's really, really vitally important, especially if you're looking after a little new baby to then have to deal with these kind of side effects from , from taking something like from, from taking something like this . i from, from taking something like this. i mean, i think it's incredible, you know , that we incredible, you know, that we can, you know, that somebody who's a biological mother who's not a biological mother can , um, you know, a can produce, um, you know, a nutritive milk. i think that is brilliant. at the same time, brilliant. but at the same time, you know, i think there's a lot of risk versus benefit factors. and, you know, there's not loads of research really to be able to justify whether it's. right. >> yeah. there's very there's very little research on it. chloe um. thank you. it's really interesting. chloe dymond tucker there, there is very little research actually research on it. and actually one of i've seen , of the papers that i've seen, uh, was piece of research uh, was was a piece of research with one, one person, one mother was, um , created by a midwife

was, um, created by a midwife who is a they them non—binary midwife themselves. >> it's obvious, isn't it? a mother is going to produce natural milk and a bloke who's a trans woman producing natural, you know , it's a no brainer. so you know, it's a no brainer. so farmer induced, uh, male nipple excretion. >> this is the statement which you must read from universities hospital sussex nhs foundation, who were invited to come on. >> we stand by the cited evidence supporting this claim . wow. >> and there's no long terme data as what it is going to do for the babies . for the babies. >> okay, thanks. >> okay, thanks. >> short and sweet. that wasn't it. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> did you learn a few new words? yeah. galactagogue >> sorry. say again they >> i'm sorry. i'd say again they do not do trans community do not do the trans community any come out with this any good. come out with this complete gobbledegook science. it's voodoo science. >> and it's also it's the unequivocal unanimous. >> and it's also it's the unequivocal unanimous . yes, we unequivocal unanimous. yes, we support it. this is great. it's all marvellous. it's as good as breast milk. can we all just calm down and look at the actual evidence, please? up next are calm down and look at the actual evicpolice please? up next are calm down and look at the actual evicpolice tooise? up next are calm down and look at the actual evicpolice too wokep next are calm down and look at the actual evicpolice too woke to 1ext are calm down and look at the actual evicpolice too woke to function? the police too woke to function? there claims that 1 in 10

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>> you're listening to jb news radio . radio. >> a former met police detective has hit out at the service's failings, claiming many recruits. can you believe this? are unable to read or write engush are unable to read or write english because of. oh yeah, here go again. diversity quotas. >> well, murray gibson >> well, david murray gibson said this when he spoke to camilla tominey yesterday. >> something like about 10% of the recruits to the met at that time. at the time of the inspection, were functionally illiterate. what in english functionally illiterate. and that was because of the fact that was because of the fact that , uh, that was because of the fact that, uh, ethnic minority targets were the primary issue for them. and they were they were making allowances to ensure that they could meet those targets. you cannot have a situation where you've got

recruits who actually are passing through the system onto the streets, who can't read and write english. >> well, that is i don't know whether it's a laugh or cry. >> it's terrible if it's true. joining us now is former met police superintendent police detective superintendent shannon. shannon, morning to you. look if a half of what he says is true, it's completely shocking . shocking. >> well, it is, except half of it isn't true. i think he's actually probably misread what the actual hmc findings say. matt. pass is in actual fact , matt. pass is in actual fact, around about 10% of police officers shouldn't be in policing, but that isn't due just to the fact that it's reading, writing that's the issue is around vetting and the recruitment process . however, recruitment process. however, i do agree that in order to be an effective police officer, you need to recruit police officers that have a good level of english, uh, written, uh, language and also to speak it. >> i'm going to play devil's advocate for. oh, sorry, sorry. go on, carry on. >> um, what i was going to say

that in actual fact, this isn't just a roundabout diversity targets diversity , targets because the diversity, um, recruitment processes have been on going for years, but this is actually about recruiting right people. recruiting the right people. i've worked so many people i've worked with so many people from all backgrounds who struggle with the basics of engush struggle with the basics of english written little here, and i'm talking about people from white, asian, all black, all sorts of different backgrounds . sorts of different backgrounds. and that is where policing is falling down in terms of the recruitment processes, the processes have changed, which is actually undermine the credibility of police officers . credibility of police officers. >> given that we have so many people in this country that don't have a great command of english, presumably you need some officers that can some police officers that can communicate with them in their own tongue as well, and they must to the service. must be assets to the service. sometimes must be assets to the service. sorabsolutely. i mean, i speak >> absolutely. i mean, i speak urdu and punjabi and when i joined policing and i was working in tower hamlets, which was predominant at that point, bangladeshi and i don't speak sylhet, but i still had the ability so it's ability to communicate. so it's really important to have a

diversity of officers with a multitude of language, with a multitude of language, with a multitude of language, with a multitude of understanding of people's backgrounds . multitude of understanding of people's backgrounds. but equally, you've got to have officers that have got the ability to communicate so they can protect and serve the members of the public without falling down themselves and actually making look actually making themselves look silly. there is a lot of work silly. so there is a lot of work that needs doing. the processes now have changed. when i joined policing, everything was done face to face, so you'd have your recruitment processes , you'd recruitment processes, you'd have your interviews, you'd have everything that is done online. so actually , you don't even get so actually, you don't even get to see the person until the point they're actually point when they're actually coming to collect uniform . coming to collect their uniform. these processes are so flawed . these processes are so flawed. um, as a as are the vetting processes you ask a question about vetting . have you ever about vetting. have you ever been involved in, you know, racism or sexism or whatever, and someone stops and says , no, and someone stops and says, no, they'll agree with you. >> okay . unfortunately, shannon, >> okay. unfortunately, shannon, we've run out of time. shannon chowdhury don't go chowdhury there. don't go anywhere. to anywhere. we're going to be talking who's talking to somebody who's setting for biological

setting up a bar for biological women only. here's the weather. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello, i'm alex burkill here with your latest gb news weather forecast. there has been a bit of rain around already this morning, that's clearing morning, but that's clearing away leave a largely dry away to leave a largely dry afternoon. the front that brought the rain. some of us had earlier on today has pushed its way towards the east and like i said, the rain is clearing away as well. so for many a mostly dry picture , there will even be dry picture, there will even be some decent bright or sunny spells out. but we do spells breaking out. but we do need to watch out for a few showers, particularly across parts anglia. maybe into parts of east anglia. maybe into western northern scotland as well . a few showers are well. a few showers are possible. temperatures are above average for the time of year. still highs of around 14 or 15 celsius towards the south and even it's likely even further north. it's likely to degrees above to be a few degrees above average, two through this evening overnight . a evening and overnight. a cloudier picture across scotland. wind strengthening

here rain pushes its here before some rain pushes its way staying drier elsewhere way in. staying drier elsewhere but increasing amounts of cloud pushing in from the west. some clearer skies, though towards eastern areas and under these clearer skies it may turn a little chilly. low single figures, that kind of thing. so i'm not expecting any frost, but it could be a of a fresh it could be a bit of a fresh start tuesday morning as we start on tuesday morning as we go the day itself, go through the day itself, though turning windy though, turning wet and windy across scotland and northern ireland of rain pushes ireland as a band of rain pushes its southeastwards, this its way southeastwards, this then feeding into parts of england and later but england and wales later on. but in the south—east it's actually going to stay dry through the day the rain not arriving day and the rain not arriving here until later on. but we are going see temperatures still going to see temperatures still above the time of above average for the time of yeah above average for the time of year. of around 14 or 15 year. highs of around 14 or 15 celsius. again by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> and good morning. >> and good morning. >> 11 am. on monday the 19th of february. this is britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and bev turner. >> very good morning to so >> very good morning to you. so post office payouts. the business accused business secretary has accused the former of the post the former chairman of the post office handling office of lying in the handling of the horizon scandal. one of the affected subpostmasters is going to join us and talk to andrew and i next, navalny responds mps. andrew and i next, navalny responds mps . are back in responds mps. are back in westminster today and they're going to talk about what the government should do after the death russian opposition government should do after the death alexei.ian opposition government should do after the death alexei navalny.;ition government should do after the deaforeign ei navalny.;ition government should do after the dea foreign secretaryy.;ition >> foreign secretary lord cameron be cameron says there has to be consequences . really? you cameron says there has to be consethisices . really? you cameron says there has to be consethis is�*s . really? you cameron says there has to be consethis is a. really? you cameron says there has to be consethis is a issue ly? you cameron says there has to be consethis is a issue that you think this is a issue that requires the intervention of the british . parliament? british. parliament? >> end to the fighting , not just >> end to the fighting, not just now, not just for a pause, but permanently a ceasefire that lasts . conference. that is what lasts. conference. that is what must happen now. the fighting must happen now. the fighting must stop now . now. must stop now. now. >> well, that is the unequivocal message from labour leader sir

keir starmer as he call for an end to the fighting in gaza. willie's mps follow him and the train company of anti get this, it's offering its female staff menopause bags, including jelly babies . babies. >> a bit of harmless fun, ridiculous . >> a bit of harmless fun, ridiculous. hahahahaha . ridiculous. hahahahaha. a . fancy have got into a lot of a. fancy have got into a lot of trouble for this because a lot of women say it's quite patronising. >> i think it's quite funny. apparently babies apparently the jelly babies are in to bite in case you want to bite someone's head off. maybe i should under should have a tub of them under the desk every day. >> no bite, bloody bite blooming. haven't you said for being it's stupid. being so stupid, it's so stupid. also on russia, navalny. we've got mp in the got bob seely, tory mp in the studio, he'll have got bob seely, tory mp in the studio,views he'll have got bob seely, tory mp in the studio,views what have got bob seely, tory mp in the studio,views what parliament got bob seely, tory mp in the studio,'orws what parliament got bob seely, tory mp in the studio,'or shouldn't|t parliament should or shouldn't do. >> first though, >> that's right. first though, here's the very latest news with sam francis. >> bev and andrew, thank you very much. good morning from the gb newsroom. it'sjust gone gb newsroom. it's just gone 11:00 we in bristol

11:00 and we start in bristol where a major crime investigation is now underway after three young children were found dead. there officers responded to a welfare call and found the bodies of a boy aged seven. a three year old girl and a ten month old boy. a 42 year old woman was arrested at the scene. she was then taken to hospital and we understand is still in police custody. forensic examinations are now under way to determine how those three children died. police say a local church has been opened for people to gather and mourn , for people to gather and mourn, while community officers will remain in the area over the coming days . remain in the area over the coming days. new guidance has today been issued for teachers in england to allow the banning of mobile phones in schools, head teachers can now choose to include a ban on phones in their schools behaviour policy , with schools behaviour policy, with provisions for searches if necessary. the union, representing headteachers, though, says robust rules already exist and they've dismissed the guidelines as a non policy for a non—problem. they say . but the education they say. but the education

secretary, gillian keegan, told gb news earlier that the government is ensuring that clarity and consistency exists across all classrooms. what we're trying to do is change the social norm , change the norm in social norm, change the norm in our schools that that phones are not acceptable in our schools and but some other countries have already done this. >> a few countries have >> quite a few countries have already this, just already done this, and we just want it's want to make sure that it's consistent make it clear consistent and we make it clear and we empower head teachers to do think that most do this. and we think that most see, this is something that parents welcome . parents would welcome. >> a search is underway today in leicester after a two year old boy fell into the river soar. emergency services responded just after 5:00 last night to an area near marsden lane. leicestershire police are leading the ongoing operation and have deployed additional specialist teams today. officers say rising water levels are presenting some danger and they've asked the public to keep away from the area . in other away from the area. in other news, the death of russian opposition leader alexei navalny is expected to take centre stage today in parliament as mps

return to westminster after recess . and in the last few recess. and in the last few minutes, navalny's wife yulia, shared a video on social media where she vowed to continue the work of her late husband. his family has accused the russian president of orchestrating. they say , and added that say his murder, and added that authorities are withholding his body accusations. the kremlin has refused. foreign secretary lord cameron, meanwhile, has signalled the possibility of fresh sanctions against russian officials as international leaders continue to lay blame on vladimir putin. meanwhile, the kremlin has vowed to use its entire arsenal, including nuclear missiles, if it's pressured into withdrawing its forces from ukraine. in a post on the social media app telegram , former russian president dmitry medvedev warned of an all out war against key western cities if russia doesn't get its way in ukraine. us president joe biden said at the weekend that he was confident that a $60 billion military aid package would be passed, giving ukraine

a much needed boost. he said in its effort to contain russia's invasion . well, in the last hour invasion. well, in the last hour or so , we've heard that the crew or so, we've heard that the crew on board a uk vessel have abandoned ship in the red sea after it was attacked by yemen's houthi rebels , and we believe houthi rebels, and we believe it's now at risk of sinking the uk maritime authority have confirmed that cargo ship sustained catastrophic damage in the missile attack off the coast of yemen, and it comes as the eu is preparing to launch its new mission to protect commercial vessels in the region , and it vessels in the region, and it follows a similar mission by the uk and us in december, with military ships sent to the red sea. attacks on vessels by houthis backed by iran are starting to have an economic impact , starting to have an economic impact, disrupting shipments between asia and europe . lord between asia and europe. lord cameron will arrive in the falkland islands later today in a high profile demonstration that they say are valued part of british family. the historic visit by is the first by a

foreign secretary since 1994 and comes amid renewed argentine calls for negotiations on the island's future. lord cameron says the sovereignty of the falklands is non—negotiable, which he says is in line with the islanders desire to remain british. and finally , the british. and finally, the average asking price for a home in britain has jumped by more than £3,000 this month, according to the property website rightmove. falling mortgage rates and more stable conditions in the market are driving that surge to just over £362,000 for the average home. now, however , agents are warning now, however, agents are warning sellers to set attractive asking pnces sellers to set attractive asking prices before potential pre—election jitters and the momentum in the market comes as sales agreed in the first six weeks of 2024 are up by 16% on the same period last year. weeks of 2024 are up by 16% on the same period last year . well, the same period last year. well, for the latest stories you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen , or go to gbnews.com screen, or go to gbnews.com slash alerts . good morning.

slash alerts. good morning. >> it's 1107. you're with britain's newsroom on gb news with andrew pierce and me. bev turner. >> well, the business sector kemi come out all kemi badenoch has come out all guns after the former guns blazing after the former chairman the post office chairman of the post office accused her of lying in a row over the handling of the recent scandal. >> that's right. so this is henry's stance, and he claimed that told by a that he had been told by a senior official to senior government official to slow payment of slow down the payment of compensation sub—postmaster ers. >> so who believes who joining us now is one of the youngest victims of the scandal, christopher head, who was wrongly an £88,000 wrongly blamed for an £88,000 shortfall. he still chasing compensation. christopher. good morning . um good morning. this morning. um good morning. this is no you're a victim. you've been a long standing observer. you're caught up in the drama. you're caught up in the drama. you rejected the compensation you were offered because it wasn't enough. what do you make of what henry staunton has said about kemi badenoch? that the government wanted to slow this

all down because they didn't want compensation bill want a big compensation bill before the general election? does ring of truth to does it have a ring of truth to you ? you? >>i you? >> i think mean, obviously, i >> i think i mean, obviously, i mean, i've you know, i don't see what henry staunton's to what henry staunton's got to lose he's saying , what henry staunton's got to lose he's saying, being lose by what he's saying, being outside there. i think it's outside there. and i think it's evidence to all of the postmasters that i'm in contact with that the compensation process is being slowed down. you know, i mean, we're not seeing the full fair seeing the full and fair compensation seeing the full and fair compensato�*n seeing the full and fair compenseto all these people. promised to all these people. i mean, you can see from the offer that i received that alan's received that others received and that many others are what are going down, that's not what has well what has been promised. well what were you offered, chris, because you for an £88,000 you were blamed for an £88,000 shortfall in your till? >> what they offered you as compensation . compensation. >> so what we did is that we prepared a claim, um, using forensic experts, obviously, that were approved and paid for by the government and backed them up with tax records and business and that them up with tax records and busifully and that them up with tax records and busifully quantified,\nd that them up with tax records and busifully quantified, we that was fully quantified, we submitted last june. and submitted that last june. and finally used it in september, and they came on the 28th of december last year and offered less than 15% of the claim

value. ipp put forward less than 15. >> so i understand you may not want to give us an exact figure, but give us an idea how that's calculated. so that would be but give us an idea how that's cachlossd. so that would be but give us an idea how that's cachloss of so that would be but give us an idea how that's cachloss of so that wyforj be but give us an idea how that's cachloss of so that witoi’ that your loss of earnings for that penod your loss of earnings for that period of does also period of time. does it also include some sort of compensation public compensation for the public humiliation and the distress that you've been caused? >> yeah . so it's broken down >> yeah. so it's broken down into a number of areas . so it's into a number of areas. so it's broken down into your past net loss of earnings. it's broken down any future damages. down into any future damages. and then you have uh reputational damage. you have distressing income harassment, malicious prosecution, all of them areas. but to be so far away for you know, i said if they've come down and maybe they started at 50% that you have somewhere to try and close the gap reach an agreement. but gap to reach an agreement. but to be so low, surely there's no one's going to accept, you know, like i'd a proposal on the like i'd put a proposal on the table maybe should be table that they maybe should be offering least 25% of that offering at least 25% of that total value interim total value is an interim payment, assess payment, while they assess the rest and they rest of the claims, and they outright that, uh, outright said no to that, uh, proposal . outright said no to that, uh, pro so al . outright said no to that, uh, pro so christopher , we've all >> so christopher, we've all been marvelled at the impact the

post office drama on itv about alan bates versus post has had, and how mps have been galvanised. everybody's been galvanised, but have you seen any real progress in your own compensation claim and the compensation claim and the compensation claims of your fellow postmasters and postmistresses who've been completely stitched up by the post office and fujitsu ? post office and fujitsu? >> i think what we saw, we saw the massive public outcry and rightly so. and obviously you saw that the politicians and the government were galvanised into action to announce the convictions legislation. but everything is done on to a kind of appease that anger. it's not really thought out, you know, coming out with these announcements of £600,000 final settlement. these the settlement. and these are the kind of areas that doesn't, um , kind of areas that doesn't, um, give compensation to everybody . give compensation to everybody. there just doesn't seem to be any real thought or progress behind it. you know, many, many simple suggestions have been offered to the government and the departments by myself and others, and we're just not seeing the progress. you know, they are coming out to the

pubuc they are coming out to the public making statements in the they are coming out to the public ofaking statements in the they are coming out to the public of commons,ments in the they are coming out to the public of commons, to nts in the they are coming out to the public of commons, to thein the they are coming out to the public of commons, to the media, house of commons, to the media, saying going to offer house of commons, to the media, sayi and going to offer house of commons, to the media, sayi and fair going to offer house of commons, to the media, sayi and fair compensation. r house of commons, to the media, sayi and fair compensation. yet full and fair compensation. yet the offers that myself, alan and others receiving is others are receiving is basically writing, saying we basically in writing, saying we have intention of paying that have no intention of paying that full compensation . full and fair compensation. >> do you think it should come from fujitsu or the taxpayer ? from fujitsu or the taxpayer? >> well, i mean, i had this discussion with kevin holland , discussion with kevin holland, the business minister, and i think obviously there is a portion of blame to be on both sides. and i think at the moment and when members of the public have me this question , i have asked me this question, i said at the minute it said that what at the minute it has be the taxpayer because has to be the taxpayer because obviously are they own the obviously they are they own the post via the government . post office via the government. and then once it's all tidied up, then we need to go to fujitsu. and obviously get a settlement from them, because if we we don't know what we do it now, we don't know what the actual final bill is going we do it now, we don't know what th

referred to the humiliation of being highlighted your local being highlighted in your local community post office community as the post office postmaster in the postmaster had his money in the till. all that money you've lost , the money you haven't got back. you managed to back. how have you managed to rebuild it's been it's been rebuild it? it's been it's been very, difficult because the very, very difficult because the problem it's an problem is because it's an ongoing every day ongoing battle every single day that, know, i've done other that, you know, i've done other types of employment since and tried to rebuild , but tried to try to rebuild, but because this just keeps getting dragged out and dragged out and gets aired again over and over again without any closure any again without any closure of any type, it just means that you're just stuck in limbo. >> you know, waiting for when they going what they are going to deliver what they are going to deliver what they which is the full they promised, which is the full and fair compensation. we they promised, which is the full and start:ompensation. we they promised, which is the full and start torpensation. we they promised, which is the full and start to rebuild on. we they promised, which is the full and start to rebuild our we they promised, which is the full and start to rebuild our lives. e can start to rebuild our lives. >> well, public >> yeah, well, the public is entirely behind you, christopher. channel is christopher. this channel is entirely behind you, and we're very to showcase you here. very happy to showcase you here. and to have your story heard. good luck with your fight. >> just awful . >> just awful. >> just awful. >> yeah, i remember christopher was once the youngest ever winner of postmaster of the year . yeah. because he's. and yet. and stupid ministers like, um.

what's he called? ed davey. he was postmaster for two years. didn't think there was problem. >> now, then, are you feeling menopausal, andrew pierce? you haven't a menopause? no. well, if you get sufficiently angry with me, you can bite the head off a jelly baby, because that is advice from one train is the advice from one train company them to company who's offering them to women certain think women of a certain age. i think it's got a good sense of humour about it's got a good sense of humour abowhat about long suffering >> what about the long suffering customers train customers of this stupid train company train company pay the highest train fares? on fares? the trains never run on time the trains even time. the trains are not even very clean. time. the trains are not even verbritain's newsroom on news >> britain's newsroom on gb news don't anywhere

to gb news radio. >> it's 1116 with britain's news on gb news with andrew pearson. bev turner bev turner been desperate to talk with matthew larson emma woolf nick hewer because she wants to work this ridiculous trains , right? yes, >> a bouncy trains, right? yes, yes, they're in trouble , aren't yes, they're in trouble, aren't they, they they've in they, because they they've in support women who might be support of women who might be experienced some behavioural, perhaps mental, emotional, psychological changes during the

menopause. they've offered a little funny little gift bag. it has in it . it little funny little gift bag. it has in it. it has packets. >> i don't know if they think yes. i don't know they think >> i don't know if they think yes. isdon't know they think >> i don't know if they think yes. is funnyznow they think >> i don't know if they think yes. is funnyznow i'm1ey think >> i don't know if they think yes. is funnyznow i'm notthink this is funny and i'm not at that if they want that stage yet. but if they want a menopause then this is that stage yet. but if they want a me they're; then this is that stage yet. but if they want a me they're going then this is that stage yet. but if they want a me they're going to then this is that stage yet. but if they want a me they're going to get. this is what they're going to get. i think not funny at all, think it's not funny at all, really. quite right. okay, so this little that this is a little bag that they're giving out to women which baby, which contains your jelly baby, a . sorry. employees. a single yes. sorry. employees. yeah. a tissue in case you yeah. yeah a tissue in case you need a little bit of a little bit of a weep, i think. look, this really . this is really. >> is that the tissues are >> is that what the tissues are for? tissue in for? yeah a single tissue in case little cry . case you need a little cry. >> joy, this is really sweating brow. yeah. dab your dab your hot flush. >> what about the male menopause? >> this is really andropause or whatever they call it. whatever. yeah, it's really patronising to women. reinforcing this women. this is reinforcing this silly that women of a silly stereotype that women of a certain age are just a bit irritable . they're having irritable. they're having a moment, they're going to shout at you. the fact is, some women sail through the menopause, some women have a very, very difficult time . it's, you know, difficult time. it's, you know, hormonal. it's a time of great hormonal. it's a time of great

hormonal adjustment for the body. there are serious symptoms . there are things like insomnia. there are cognitive problems. there are there is depression . there's mood depression. there's mood changes. is. depression. there's mood changes. is . yeah. these changes. there is. yeah. these hot flushes that people have. but menopause but to be handing out menopause bags to employees i think is , bags to employees i think is, just as i say, reinforcing that stereotype that women are having a little moment. >> and look the list of >> and look at the list of items, on this list. there items, emma, on this list. there we go. so how long is it? i can't quite jelly babies in case you feel a paperclip , a you feel a paperclip, a paperclip to help you hold it all together. >> a pathetic a pencil to write down the things you might forget that's quite useful. >> a tea bag because tea makes everything better. >> do you see how a kettle do you patronising is? you see how patronising this is? >> paper clip to hold it >> this paper clip to hold it all together. because women are losing plot. no, they're losing the plot. no, they're going through change. going through a big life change. i'm all right with it, matthew. >> people thought i would be my inner feminist and rage against this. i it a sense of this. i think it has a sense of humour. shows warmth humour. i think it shows warmth and empathy. >> going to stay >> so i'm going to stay relatively but i'm

relatively neutral. but i'm going to defend the tea in the sense that they say this was this some this was not like some patronising blokes who patronising group of blokes who came up with this idea, but it was a group it was was some a group of it was a network of staff who were experienced staff, network of staff who were expewere ad staff, network of staff who were expewere experiencing staff, who were experiencing the menopause. so that's why they claim from the staff claim it came from the staff themselves. wasn't some, you themselves. it wasn't some, you know, it wasn't it three know, it wasn't it wasn't three blokes in an office. >> need a breakdown. >> we need a breakdown. >> we need a breakdown. >> i'm if want >> no, i'm sorry. if they want to serious discussion to have a serious discussion about to talk about it, they want to talk about it, they want to talk about women maybe being able to work really work flexibly if they really having a gruelling time, if they want in a grown want to talk about it in a grown up way, but give them a tissue to dab sweating brow, give to dab their sweating brow, give them a paper clip. >> is ridiculous. >> the paper clip is ridiculous. >> the paper clip is ridiculous. >> a jelly paper to >> but this is a jelly paper to make it better, because make it all better, because women treats. women love little sweet treats. that'll okay, think. give that'll be okay, i think. give me a break. >> done they've inspired a >> done is they've inspired a conversation it with their conversation about it with their tongue cheek with a bit tongue in their cheek with a bit of humour, and therefore that might a more serious might lead to a more serious conversation about allowing women to work flexibly if they need to accommodate health issues . you're not convinced, issues. you're not convinced, are you? >> will? male? >> will? male? >> well, i might not be laughing at this. >> will the male employees not be? i think that's the danger. >> them.

be? i think that's the danger. >> they've them. be? i think that's the danger. >> they've turned them. be? i think that's the danger. >> they've turned tiinto >> they've turned it into a subject mockery. of course subject of mockery. of course they do, as opposed to a positive, constructive. >> think i >> i think it's a i think i think the idea as you say, think the idea is, as you say, bev, starts bev, is that it starts a conversation. think just conversation. i think it's just the like paperclip the things like the paperclip and penny . are a little bit and the penny. are a little bit sort of patronising, and therefore that doesn't in the starting that conversation, the jelly baby is in case you need to someone's head off. to bite someone's head off. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> which actually need >> which is actually need i imagine imagine if you're imagine it, i imagine if you're a suffering a long suffering commuter of aviva trains, you would want to bite off people who bite the head off the people who never the train. never run the train. >> run the train time. >> you never run the train time. i prefer to have some i would prefer to have some trains run trains. yeah, exactly. they yours. >> they are yours. >> they are yours. >> but matthew week >> but matthew laza last week rebranding overground >> but matthew laza last week rebrandlines overground >> but matthew laza last week rebrandlines cvastround >> but matthew laza last week rebrandlines cvast public railway lines at vast public expense. railway lines at vast public expensethat's a whole other >> oh, that's a whole other debate, that's a whole debate, andrew. that's a whole other nice. try . other debate. nice. nice try. >> all we want is him to run the train. >> well, avanti. certainly. well . on avanti the on avanti . the . on avanti the on avanti. the government . the government they government. the government they were useless. they got a little bit better. the government said okay, we've renewed the contract

and now they're, and now they're now they're, they're up they're delays are stacking up again. needs again. so certainly avanti needs sorting agree that. >> on that really. yeah. >> on that really. yeah. >> we do all agree on that costing. don't know. but costing. well i don't know. but i one teabag so that much. >> i don't know who's funding it whether coming of whether it's coming out of avanti's whether it's coming out of avaiti's they probably have >> i mean they probably have plenty of profits. all the companies they? companies do, don't they? but i just quite just think it's quite a nice sort gesture. one of sort of gesture. and one of those paid directors with those low paid directors with a huge budget probably think this is will love this. >> people will love this. >> people will love this. >> clever. i bet they had >> really clever. i bet they had a few committees about this. yeah, talk about sewage spills? >> certainly can. spills? >> so certainly can. spills? >> so battleground. spills? >> so battleground seats, emma, are which held are held by the which are held by conservatives the by the conservatives had the highest number of sewage spills of constituencies. highest number of sewage spills of one constituencies. highest number of sewage spills of one consisuencies. highest number of sewage spills of one consis rightes. i mean, the one line is right themselves story. they themselves with the story. they really is >> this is look, this is a sewage scandal. is also a sewage scandal. this is also a leakage a leakage scandal. this is a victorian pipes and and victorian pipes and drains and waterways scandal . the water waterways scandal. the water industry this country , we've industry in this country, we've heard about the huge payouts to bosses and the profits and the dividends and that. this dividends and all of that. this is an absolute scandal. and of course, it's not easy to maintain the water industry of a huge country , but germany manage huge country, but germany manage it. this is what the

government's job is. do many, many other countries manage this? we have a disgusting system. we have seas which are which beaches which are. >> and it's not just the sewage that's toxic human waste, it's the effect . the political effect. >> labour haven't. labour haven't much about their policies. >> well, i mean matthew, so you're so you're right on the sense that labour said was sense that labour said it was going renationalise water going to renationalise the water companies to get companies when kidd said to get elected his companies when kidd said to get electeon his companies when kidd said to get electeon that. his companies when kidd said to get electeon that. now his companies when kidd said to get electeon that. now he's his companies when kidd said to get electeon that. now he's done his companies when kidd said to get electeon that. now he's done it.is mind on that. now he's done it. so that is a definite what u—turn is. >> that was 1443 27 well, >> that was that 1443 27 well, sadly, love to do it, but sadly, we'd love to do it, but there isn't enough money left because there's no money left because there's no money left because have crashed because the tories have crashed the collectively. the economy collectively. don't agree but but 25,000 spills >> but but the but 25,000 spills were marginal constituencies were in marginal constituencies that the tories gain from laboun that the tories gain from labour. and this is one of those issues irrelevant. is one labour. and this is one of those issthose relevant. is one labour. and this is one of those issthose issuest. is one labour. and this is one of those issthose issuest. the one labour. and this is one of those issthose issuest. the libs labour. and this is one of those issthoin issuest. the libs labour. and this is one of those issthoin particular the libs labour. and this is one of those isstho in particular have libs labour. and this is one of those issthoin particular have been dems in particular have been making huge play out. they credit in the credit it for its victory in the chesham amersham by—election chesham and amersham by—election it's, dems are it's, um, the lib dems are literally the obsessed with this and quite rightly, and actually, quite rightly, because issue and because it is a big issue and they're campaigning hugely on it across wall and across that blue wall and ambition because they fibbed about planning about how about planning as well. about how about planning as weltold a pack of well they told

>> told a pack of well they told them people they were against building houses in chesham and they people places they tell people other places they're of building they tell people other places they're the of building they tell people other places they're the typical building they tell people other places they're the typical lib.ding they tell people other places they're the typical lib dems in houses. the typical lib dems in ones where this colour in this part constituency, we're part of the constituency, we're a different colour. in another part, worst. part, they are the worst. >> story bev >> you know what this story bev and a new party, >> you know what this story bev and green a new party, >> you know what this story bev and green party, a new party, >> you know what this story bev and green party, the new party, >> you know what this story bev and green party, the oh, party, >> you know what this story bev and green party, the oh, the ty, the green party, the oh, the green party. not a whoops. you um. >> but this andrew and i going pink. >> this story for me. i don't think to go ask this think you need to go ask this story me. story for me. >> is about the fact that local issues what people will vote issues are what people will vote on and when we're talking about a particularly environmental issues , because, you know, when issues, because, you know, when we they will, but it's not we do, they will, but it's not going lib dems a going to win the lib dems a general election. >> to lose , but >> it's not going to lose, but it win them particular set it might win them particular set of they're of seats, which is what they're targeting, already lost. yeah national's already lost. yeah yeah national's already lost. yeah yea polling 6000 adults national's already lost. yeah yeapolling 6000 adults found >> polling of 6000 adults found that 56% people would that 56% of people would consider sewage consider the raw sewage discharges when voted in discharges when they voted in the general election. the next general election. that's a lot of people. >> i think if that's right. but general it tends to general elections, it tends to be by noises over be drowned out by noises over the , your and spend. the nhs, your tax and spend. should giving money to should we be giving money to ukraine feelings about ukraine and your feelings about the leader? ukraine and your feelings about the theier? ukraine and your feelings about

the the whole whole national conversation? >> absolutely. you're absolutely right. think i think right. but i think that i think that i think this the that on this i think this is the environment. the, environment. all polls show the, the more money you have, the more are about the more concerned you are about the environment. blue environment. and those posh blue wall surrey, wall seats in surrey, oxfordshire, those oxfordshire, uh, across those posh, the posh home, that sweep of counties. of the posh home counties. >> a what >> it's been a scandal. what these . these watercolours. >> water . >> absolutely. and thames water. conveniently the thames goes through those seats. through a lot of those seats. the lib are targeting these the lib dems are targeting these wretched going to spend on >> we're going to spend more on cleaning out cleaning up. it should come out of yeah, and of their bonuses. yeah, and there's more. >> more trouble at >> there's more trouble at thames very weekend >> there's more trouble at thames got very weekend >> there's more trouble at thames got this very weekend >> there's more trouble at thames got this weirdy weekend >> there's more trouble at thames got this weird financiali because got this weird financial structure. guy who was structure. and the guy who was brought from the parent resigned from the parent company. but he's still the company. but he's still on the it's all sort it's all it's all a sort of financial when they financial engineering when they should problems. >> horrific . um, right. >> it's horrific. um, right. emma, all emma, more than half of all murders linked drugs . i mean, murders linked to drugs. i mean, i'm it's not a i'm surprised it's not more in a way, exactly of nearly . way, exactly of nearly. >> so last year, there were nearly 600 murders and over 300 of suspect wanted of those. the suspect wanted murderer in the uk was , yes, murderer in the uk was, yes, sorry. in the uk, as the suspected murderer was a drug usen suspected murderer was a drug user. about a quarter of those. the suspected murderer was a dealer and obviously we know we

have a huge drug problem. but surely, surely this is a wake up call to say we need to tackle the so much crime is the scourge. so much crime is unked the scourge. so much crime is linked to drugs. almost all crime in some way will be linked to drug use or to dealing or drug use or poverty that is also linked to drugs. we need to get a get a grip on this gang culture, gang culture. >> well, i think it's a reminder that the war on drugs has failed. now, we might have wanted it succeed, but look, wanted it to succeed, but look, no politician this. no politician will touch this. it's electric it's the third rail of electric politics. labour will as politics. labour will be as tough tories before . um, tough as the tories before. um, but i think we need but personally, i think we need a grown up debate. a grown up, a grown up debate. debate we legalise debate on whether we legalise decriminalise . absolutely. we decriminalise. absolutely. we need a grown up debate which no politician from any party. i mean, we've been we've just mean, we've just been we've just been the lib dems, the been hard on the lib dems, the lib liz truss, lib dems, a few. liz truss, remember, was the one as lib lib dems, a few. liz truss, reme studentas the one as lib lib dems, a few. liz truss, reme student whoe one as lib lib dems, a few. liz truss, reme student who tried as lib lib dems, a few. liz truss, reme student who tried to. lib lib dems, a few. liz truss, reme student who tried to sort b lib dems, a few. liz truss, reme student who tried to sort of dem student who tried to sort of do a debate back do a debate on cannabis back then, want abolish then, also want to abolish the monarchy. and got monarchy. and she did and got and down on both of and got shot down on both of those. we need a grown up those. but we need a grown up debate about portugal debate about it because portugal has, uh, has tried decriminalisation. it seems to have you know, some impact there. >> there's a debate. so there's an absolute debate to have it.

>> need >> and our politicians need to face the because, face up to the fact because, frankly, on with frankly, we can't carry on with when people to when you push people to the margins they end up margins like this, they end up in prison. >> wm e w— e up on the streets, >> they end up on the streets, they broken they end up with broken families. committing families. they end up committing crime. why can't we be crime. yeah why can't we be grown crime. yeah why can't we be growho's imprisoned for many >> who's imprisoned for many years quite known, years ago? uh, quite well known, he shocking was he said. what was shocking was the of young men came the number of young men who came into prison drug into his prison with no drug problem with absolutely problem left with absolutely real prisons are a breeding ground drugs, and the ground for drugs, and the totally drugs are now being totally and drugs are now being flown by drones over the flown in by drones over the walls into into prisons. >> yeah, it's extraordinary the issue as well. >> of course, is you've got a younger generation look younger generation who look at all the insta fabulous lifestyles, have lifestyles, think they can have that have that money like that and have that money like that and have that without hard work that car without smart hard work and they look at a job they could get which pays them almost. i might almost. absolutely. and i might as well go and sell drugs. as well go and sell some drugs. and a there's and there's a big there's a big class know, between, class thing, you know, between, you know, look the you know, look at all the studies people who you know, look at all the stucthey'd people who you know, look at all the stucthey'd them people who you know, look at all the stucthey'd them and le who you know, look at all the stucthey'd them and then|o you know, look at all the stucthey'd them and then the say they'd use them and then the people selling are people who are selling them are from different social background. >> national >> so a grown up national conversation. no answers conversation. no easy answers because but because there aren't any. but politicians can't avoid it. politicians can't just avoid it. >> person politicians can't just avoid it. >> sticking person politicians can't just avoid it. >> sticking cocaine person politicians can't just avoid it. >> sticking cocaine up'son politicians can't just avoid it. >> sticking cocaine up their who's sticking cocaine up their nose has

nose at the weekend has a consequence for the young man in a ends up in prison or a gang who ends up in prison or stabbed. >> absolutely . >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> which is why we. yeah, we cut the hypocrisy. can't continue. >> navalny >> let's finish on the navalny story. emails story. we had so many emails today and not we haven't managed today and not we haven't managed to a huge amount of to read out a huge amount of them, said. emma this is them, stephen said. emma this is we can't prove that putin killed navalny. if can, why navalny. and if we can, why should britain involved? should britain get involved? we're not willing drop bombs we're not willing to drop bombs directly on russia, so why should direct should we be taking direct action on russia in relation to alexei navalny? one foot in, one foot out. what do you really difficultbeen shocked i wasn't >> i've been so shocked i wasn't fully across the navalny story until a few days. like lots of people, taken people, i think we haven't taken enough and it's enough notice and it's appalling. it's absolutely appalling. it's absolutely appalling . we are now seeing appalling. we are now seeing putin doing literally what he wants and what more sanctions . wants and what more sanctions. that's what david cameron has been suggesting we need while germany is buying german, russian gas. >> i mean , it makes no it makes >> i mean, it makes no it makes no difference. >> no, it's pouring into its coffers almost day zero effect. >> were you not remotely emma concerned about the fact that 30s, death, is 30s, after his death, is announced ? every single leader

announced? every single leader around the world lock step around the world in lock step came said putin has came out and said putin has killed man with no evidence killed this man with no evidence of that whatsoever. saying of that whatsoever. not saying he him he hasn't treated him appallingly, saying think appallingly, not saying i think they killed him even they haven't him, haven't they? >> because broken he's >> because they've broken he's broken even if they broken his health. even if they didn't actually murder him, they just we know. we just sort of we don't know. we don't and may have don't know. and they may have murdered what murdered him, but. because what can out his can i say? a shout out for his wife mother, have wife and his mother, who have been been incredibly been who have been incredibly brave, they? brave, haven't they? >> and the supporters who >> and all the supporters who risk russia to risk their lives in russia to put putting put up put just by putting put up posters flowers up. posters and put flowers up. exactly. know, exactly. so, you know, you know, i i know it i mean, i know it's i know it may us supporting may seem like us supporting juuan may seem like us supporting julian something julian assange or something like that. don't me started >> when you don't get me started on stuff, but. on julian's stuff, but. >> well, well, i don't. on julian's stuff, but. >> julianwell, i don't. on julian's stuff, but. >> julian assange,n't. on julian's stuff, but. >> julian assange, it. on julian's stuff, but. >> julian assange, i think it's appalling have appalling that we have imprisoned for imprisoned julian assange for you on this. you took a disagree on this. >> course we will. started. >> of course we will. started. >> of course we will. started. >> but how are they different? how are how it different to? >> well, we live in a democracy. >> well, we live in a democracy. >> he's not being kept in a siberian prison in punishment, in a punishment cell where he can't move and starve to death , can't move and starve to death, and having his body hidden if he dies, i it's little bit different. >> poisoned with novichok and on and on.

>> navalny, can i just say, let's this is a wake up let's hope this is a wake up call to everybody in america is blocking for we blocking the aid for ukraine. we need our steadfast need to keep our steadfast support up ukraine. of support up for ukraine. and of course, house of representatives gone weeks gone on holiday for two weeks and zelenskyy said, and is um, uh zelenskyy said, um, dictators go on holiday. >> exactly. holiday. >> and tly. front line, the >> and the front line, the soldiers go on a two week soldiers can't go on a two week holiday, can they? the holiday, can they? from the front line. they need, they support, that support, they need the arms that we can give them. >> be so all >> just to be clear. so all three you bought into this three of you bought into this idea that everything that russia does and does always idea that everything that russia does and does always idea that everything that russia doesand everything always idea that everything that russia does and everything that lways idea that everything that russia does and everything that the s bad. and everything that the west wouldn't know. >> i wouldn't say no to this debate recurring everything >> 9% recurring of everything putin is bad, is bad. putin does is bad, is bad. >> in west >> not everything in the west is right. >> f- f death bev, it'll >> and this death bev, it'll come death, this come out, this death, this this death, not death, planned on. >> would the second >> yeah. why would the second now, uh , because there are now, uh, because there are elections coming up and they they this figure they don't want this figure figurehead because he still can get on election. >> i think it's not. i think it might been him for that. >> whether he was a comedian all the whether he was murdered >> yeah. whether he was murdered or not. the state killed him because years because the poisoning two years ago, destroyed health, because the poisoning two years ago conditions;troyed health, because the poisoning two years ago conditions;troyed prison, alth, the conditions in the prison, etc. it just meant that his

health completely. etc. it just meant that his health notompletely. etc. it just meant that his health not forget,sly. etc. it just meant that his health not forget, destroyed etc. it just meant that his health treatment.t, destroyed by the treatment. >> or not was. >> whether or not he was. somebody the somebody killed him in the murdered an murdered him. in this week an interview watched over interview has been watched over 250 million times telling us that that moscow was a much nicer, more ascetic , a much more nicer, more ascetic, a much more peaceful, with very good, with very good value. >> thought it was hopeless >> i thought it was a hopeless interview, thought it interview, though. i thought it was interview . you interview, though. i thought it was let interview . you interview, though. i thought it was let you've/iew . you interview, though. i thought it was let you've got . you interview, though. i thought it was let you've got putin don't let you. you've got putin sitting him sitting there. you don't let him ramble on about ancient russian history . history. >> no, i wanted to hear what he's got to say. doesn't mean i believe him, but do want to believe him, but i do want to hear and hear his perspective and his perspective on perspective are particularly on the ukraine. has never the issue in ukraine. has never wavered he wavered from the eve in which he invaded, was say that invaded, which was to say that ukraine rightfully russian ukraine is rightfully russian and part of us. and and it should be part of us. and he defending russian he was defending the russian people donbas region. he was defending the russian peopliterally donbas region. he was defending the russian peopliterally neveras region. he was defending the russian peopliterally never wavered. no he's literally never wavered. no he has stuck this, stuck to he has stuck to this, stuck to the line. >> but it's fl“— p— >> but it's but it's a lie. >> but it's but it's a lie. >> yes. he his line. >> yes. he stuck to his line. >> yes. he stuck to his line. >> does lie. >> but what does a lie. >> but what does a lie. >> that's his. that's his lie. >> that's his. that's his lie. >> and he's stuck to line >> and he's stuck to his line and invaded . >> he invaded. >> he invaded. >> stuck. >> stuck. >> invaded . >> he invaded. >> he invaded. >> yeah, but that doesn't exonerate him. >> he doesn't just want donbas. >> he the whole thing. >> he wants the whole thing. stand point, bev. stand your point, bev. >> twice. >> he's invaded twice. >> he's invaded twice. >> his being that

>> but his point being that that war started ten ago with war started ten years ago with ukraine the when we all ukraine bombing the when we all ignored because ignored it because. >> it? >> which is it? >> which is it? >> mean, with the >> i mean, that is with the maidan uprising. >> completely ignored maidan uprising. >> they completely ignored maidan uprising. >> they letympletely ignored maidan uprising. >> they let the etely ignored maidan uprising. >> they let the russianiored maidan uprising. >> they let the russian people and they let the russian people be that area. and then be bombed in that area. and then he said he's gone he has he has said he's gone in. he has a view of a very sentimental view of russian . he a very russian history. he does a very sentimental, and he's never altered from what said. sentimental, and he's never alteisd from what said. sentimental, and he's never altei think�*n what said. sentimental, and he's never altei think this1at said. sentimental, and he's never altei think this1at isaid. sentimental, and he's never altei think this1at is but once >> i think this man is but once a kgb thug and always a what he is always a kgb. >> and this man is about to hand himself another six years in power. is, we're power. yeah, he is, and we're powerless, aren't we? really? what laughing at? what will he laughing at? >> imagine not laughing >> us? 89. imagine not laughing at us. >> he's getting to bomb at us. >> which jetting to bomb at us. >> which we ng to bomb at us. >> which we the to bomb at us. >> which we the act to bomb at us. >> which we the act ofo bomb us, which we the act of provocation of nato moving toward it and closer and closer toward it and closer and closer to him. >> five but nato but it's because of his that nato because of his actions that nato is stupid and or doesn't is getting stupid and or doesn't understand russian history. >> for kamala harris to say that we are going to allow ukraine into guess what? into nato and then guess what? she putin with no option she leaves putin with no option and want nuclear weapons and doesn't want nuclear weapons on his. >> but because invasion >> but because of his invasion in to turn in ukraine, he's managed to turn finland sweden from neutral finland and sweden from neutral to , to, to joining nato. and

to, to, to joining nato. and obviously the brought the ukraine possibility of ukraine joining right up the agenda. so he's consequences of his own he's the consequences of his own actions the question actions and the big question really does really ultimately is what does it in this country? it mean for us in this country? >> we want to wind him up >> do we want to wind him up even more and result in world? >> want free democratic >> we want a free and democratic russia friends with? russia we can be friends with? >> and he he say in >> and he and he would say in that interview and he says he tried several times to to be join no , we join nato and was told no, we don't because he knew don't want you because he knew the we don't want you. >> knew the answer. the we don't want you. >> wouldn'tthe answer. the we don't want you. >> wouldn't the a wonderful, >> wouldn't it be wonderful, though, >> wouldn't it be wonderful, tho they had an agreement >> they had an agreement called partnership for peace. but he neven partnership for peace. but he never, then i think that never, never. then i think that the americans panicked that it was getting too close. but i mean, admire bebb's was getting too close. but i mean faith admire bebb's was getting too close. but i meanfaith putin.sbebb's blind faith in putin. >> blind faith. >> it's not blind faith. >> it's not blind faith. >> it's not blind faith. i'm just perhaps bit just saying that perhaps a bit hard. with all stories, there hard. as with all stories, there are questions one, are two questions to this. one, of are of course, and there are questions and that questions to be asked, and that there not two sides with putin. >> it's a hexagon. >> it's a hexagon. >> still to come. >> yeah. still to come. >> yeah. still to come. >> prism of lies crew on board a uk vessel has abandoned ship after it was attacked by yemen's houthi red sea houthi rebels in the red sea >> this now happened. >> this is now just happened. it's at risk of sinking. conservative mp bob seely joins

us next. but first, though, the news with sam . bev and andrew. news with sam. bev and andrew. >> thank you very much. it's 1133. i'm sam francis in the gb news room and we start in bristol where a major crime investigation is now underway after three young children were found dead , officers responded found dead, officers responded to a welfare call and found the bodies of a boy aged seven. a three year old girl and a ten month old boy. a 42 year old woman was arrested at the scene. she was then taken to hospital . she was then taken to hospital. while we understand she is still in police custody, forensic examination are now underway to determine how those three children die. police also say a local church has been opened for people to gather and mourn, while the community officers will remain in the area over the coming days . will remain in the area over the coming days. the widow of will remain in the area over the coming days . the widow of alexei coming days. the widow of alexei navalny has said that russian authorities are deliberately withholding his body until, she says traces of the nerve agent novichok disappear from his

system. in a message posted to social media, yulia navalny vowed to continue his work , vowed to continue his work, saying that she wants to live in a free russia. she also said that the reason for his death is known , and the details of those known, and the details of those who responsible will be who were responsible will be made that comes as made public. that comes as navalny's mother and lawyer were seen visiting the local prosecutor's office and the morgue in the city, near to where navalny died on friday. she says her mother that is she says that her mother that is that prison authorities told her her son had died from what they called sudden death syndrome . called sudden death syndrome. new guidance has been issued in the uk for teachers in england on how to ban mobile phones in schools, which the government says will bring clarity and consistency to all classrooms. the guidelines are said to allow head teachers to ban phones dunng head teachers to ban phones during lessons, breaks and in lunches, with additional provisions for searches if necessary. but the union representing head teachers says robust rules already exist and they've dismissed the guidelines as a non policy for, they say , a

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>> you're listening to gb news radio . high up radio. high up at noon. >> good afternoon with ben and emily. it's ben and emily davies. emily and ben , tom and emily. >> today it's. it's ben and emily. ben is joining me, which is fantastic. >> uh, we've got a lot coming up. of course, going to be up. of course, we're going to be talking britain's talking about what britain's response death response to navalny's death should be, what it will look like. we've heard strong words from but we're from david cameron, but we're already many already sanctioning so many russians. we've frozen billions of pounds worth of assets. what more can we do to actually affect change? and why should

we? it comes to russia. well, that's a question too. so we're going be getting a lot going to be getting a lot of reaction what it reaction about what exactly it means when government means when the government gets tough, tough , what tough, when it talks tough, what in does that mean? do in practice does that mean? do sanctions work? in practice does that mean? do sando»ns work? in practice does that mean? do sando»ns vythink the british >> do you think the british people about this? people really care about this? ben navalny yeah. >> uh, look, there's >> uh, well, look, there's a growing playing devil's advocate. questions advocate. there's questions about why putin do this about why putin would do this now when it only strengthens the case to give aid to ukraine. um, um, i don't want to get too conspiratorial . conspiratorial. >> oh it's fine. it's no, no, no, no. valid question. there are need are conversations we need to have. been having them have. we've been having them this off this morning. i've bitten off a few because few jelly babies heads because of it. >> e i think e ithink >> well, i think we do need to get but does need get tough, but there does need to concerted effort to be a concerted effort and sometimes your that sometimes i take your point that actually sometimes we look rather talk tough. rather weak when we talk tough. and actually our actions and then actually our actions don't have desired effect. don't have the desired effect. >> but i'm okay with looking weak as long isn't edging weak as long as it isn't edging us towards iii. i'm weak as long as it isn't edging us rightds iii. i'm weak as long as it isn't edging us rightds that. iii. i'm weak as long as it isn't edging us rightds that. don't i'm weak as long as it isn't edging us rightds that. don't send weak as long as it isn't edging us children that. don't send weak as long as it isn't edging us children outat. don't send weak as long as it isn't edging us children out to don't send weak as long as it isn't edging us children out to don't seto my children out to ukraine to fight country really fight for a country that really they no dog in that fight. they have no dog in that fight. >> let me tell you >> well, let me tell you about something be something that you may not be very about. is, very happy about. this is, uh, lord former labour lord austin, the former labour minister who's been sacked from

a with a housing association minister who's been sacked from a saying a housing association minister who's been sacked from a saying that using association minister who's been sacked from a saying that hamasssociation minister who's been sacked from a saying that hamas are iation for saying that hamas are islamist terrorists. i mean, what planet are we on where that is criticising that is deemed islamophobic? he didn't say muslims. he said islamists. islamism is a political ideology . it's not a religion. >> it's shocking , actually shocking. >> so we're going to be looking at that elsewhere as well. at that elsewhere today as well. >> excited. i've had my >> i'm very excited. i've had my run ins with oil and run ins with just stop oil and the doom good. the climate doom mongers. good. we've on the show we've got a guest on the show who's to respond to that who's going to respond to that mail sunday the mail on sunday story about the fact that just were fact that just stop oil were plotting occupy to mps plotting to occupy up to 100 mps houses literally go their houses literally go into their houses literally go into their house trouble doing akin house causing trouble doing akin to greenpeace did and to what greenpeace did and trampling all rishi sunaks trampling all over rishi sunaks roof . think absolutely roof. i think it's absolutely disgusting, going to disgusting, but i'm going to hold account. hold them to account. >> it's labour >> an interesting it's labour mps after because mps they're going after because they influence. mps they're going after because they doesn'tience. mps they're going after because they doesn't matter, does >> but it doesn't matter, does it ? it? >> policy on it? they've done >> policy on this. they've done the on the billion the u—turn on the 28 billion a year on spending. year on green spending. >> suppose . >> i suppose. >> i suppose. >> i suppose. >> i so. >> i suspect so. >> i suspect so. >> and they think they're >> and also they think they're going to in government and going to be in government and they're write manifesto. >> right. ben and >> so yeah. right. well, ben and emily fantastic show emily will be a fantastic show this afternoon and we're joined in studio. just

in the studio. now. we just turn our bob is with our chairs. bob seely is with us, mp the isle of wight. us, mp for the isle of wight. >> beautiful part >> you live in a beautiful part of isle of wight. of the world, the isle of wight. >> they'll and >> do you think they'll try and get house? very very get in your house? very very lovely. just up old. >> want to encourage them. >> well, if i was going to be adjustable all houses, adjustable of all the houses, yours the list. adjustable of all the houses, youwell, the list. adjustable of all the houses, youwell, we the list. adjustable of all the houses, youwell, we might the list. adjustable of all the houses, youwell, we might be the list. adjustable of all the houses, youwell, we might be now. list. adjustable of all the houses, youwell, we might be now. well done. >> i really don't want to encourage them. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we do not. um. right. >> no, we do not. um. right. what talk what do you want to talk about, bob? talk the bob? we want to talk about the navalny well. yeah. navalny situation as well. yeah. >> oh, please. >> oh, please. >> yes, go for it. >>— >> yes, go for it. >> the houthis, the british oil tanker. may even be tanker. yeah. may even be sinking. it's hit sinking. yeah, it's been hit by houthi . what what houthi missiles. what what what response have we got to defend ourselves? >> and look, we've got to take action against these people. this about people are this is not about people are going to be. >> we need to defend ourselves and we need to defend international freedom of movement. cannot defend movement. if we cannot defend open world is in open seas, the world is in trouble. i i'm fully trouble. so i i'm fully supportive of the government's action. it's not us that's looking for trouble, it's people lobbing shells major lobbing shells into major shipping lanes where you've got over 10% of the world's trade . over 10% of the world's trade. and i think we've got to defend the of, you know, free

the rights of, you know, free trade the world. it's trade around the world. it's important. and we can't have our sea lanes high jacked by, frankly, the china or extremist groups in the middle east. >> are we a minor player in this because say, oh, here we because people say, oh, here we are pwd or because are being biden's pwd or because germany aren't in in launching, um, drones against the houthis ? um, drones against the houthis? >> no, we're not a minor player. britain's a great power. we're not a superpower. we haven't been since the 1950s, but we're a significant great power. a very significant great power. and , got play and actually, we've got to play our the world, the modern our part. the world, the modern world, which has brought great deal prosperity and peace for deal of prosperity and peace for mankind, humanity since mankind, for humanity since world war two, was created by britain and the us and the other victors in world two, but victors in world war two, but primarily us too. and actually we role in defending it. we have a role in defending it. so are the right thing. so we are doing the right thing. i should be spending so we are doing the right thing. i in should be spending so we are doing the right thing. i in defence.i be spending so we are doing the right thing. i in defence. we spending so we are doing the right thing. i in defence. we live 1ding so we are doing the right thing. i in defence. we live in ng more in defence. we live in a very dangerous which is very dangerous world, which is maybe you're going be maybe what you're going to be coming next. coming to next. >> if this ship sinks, i >> if this if this ship sinks, i mean, the act? mean, is that the worst act? >> it's a it's >> i mean, it's a it's a commercial ship, but i mean, commercial ship, but i mean, commercial . commercial ship, but i mean, coni'm rcial . commercial ship, but i mean, coni'm rcial reading about it. >> i'm just reading about it. >> i'm just reading about it. >> that would one >> i mean, that would be one of the most acts against

the most hostile acts against britain the most hostile acts against britaiiwe're going to take >> if we're going to take action as of as part we are part of a coalition. we've got to keep the shipping is shipping lanes open. that is a responsibility that, frankly, other , it's not us, you other nations, it's not us, you know, why are we looking for trouble? we're not. it's actually other nations like france, like all france, like germany, like all these powers. like, these other nato powers. like, frankly, and in the frankly, egypt and saudi in the middle should be middle east. everyone should be stepping the mark on stepping up to the mark on this. it's not belize flagged. >> registered cargo >> british registered cargo ships called himars , and it ships called rupa himars, and it is at risk of sinking after being hit by missiles. isn't it? >> say again. is it carrying oil? i haven't got to that bit yet. >> but they said it's a commercial ship and crew commercial ship and the crew have to evacuate . and it was have had to evacuate. and it was 35 nautical miles south of the yemeni red sea port of mocha . yemeni red sea port of mocha. explosion in close proximity to the vessel, resulting in damage. we just don't know. it's literally just happened in the last moments. very worrying, literally just happened in the last it? moments. very worrying, isn't it? >> yeah, it's not great. so >> yeah, it's not great. so >> bob, do we want to >> so, bob, what do we want to talk about now? we want to talk about now? do we want to talk about now? do we want to talk about navalny, about russia. you think? well, okay. >> sorry. the idea that somehow navalny killed navalny has sort of killed himself to die to himself or decided to die to embarrass putin. >> well, you mean like epstein

did? let's let's. did? uh, let's let's. >> well, not sure. >> well, i'm not sure. >> well, i'm not sure. >> i think he might. >> i think he might. >> sorry. off. i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. off. i'm sorry. well, that either. either well, funny that either. either navalny beaten to navalny was killed, beaten to death, he was death, injected either he was literally murdered or the responsibility for his death lies with the russian regime. >> so all these people saying, oh , why is he dead now? i don't oh, why is he dead now? i don't know , but i know he was in know, but i know that he was in a penal colony and his immune system was was harmed because the russian state has tried to murder him on at least one occasion before . so the idea occasion before. so the idea that this is anything other than a straight up either assassination directly or indirectly, either he was there until till he his body couldn't take it any more, or he was actually murdered as magnitsky was beau biden coming out. >> and like moments later, president biden standing there and saying categorically, be under no illusion. this man was murdered by putin and his forces . well, of course he was. >> but of course he was. >> but of course he was. >> have any i am disturbed by what he was a penal colony where

you not the same as saying yes. here's we have a picture of putin with a knife in his side. i mean, the idea that the burden of yes, of the probability is such , but but is it in the interest? >> they tried to kill him already, a penal already, and he was in a penal colony, dying . colony, slowly dying. >> and the fact is, he was going to die at some point because he was slowly killed. now, was being slowly killed. now, whether he was quickly killed overnight or beaten to death or injected with poison, or he was slowly killed, he was in a penal colony rotting away after the russians had already tried to assassinate him once. let's live assassinate him once. let's live a look. sorry. there are some facts here. the responsibility for navalny's death is putin. navalny didn't die as some political ploy. he was killed by the russians. >> and let me tell you this, bob, this afternoon, when mps are in the house of commons coming back from their little break and they are discussing the minutiae of this the minutiae of whether this might who might have happened and who might have happened and who might it, and what might have done it, and what these might these sanctions might be from this the british public this country. the british public do not enough when they

do not care enough when they can't pay for their supermarket shopping , what they care when shopping, what they care when they their bills, they can't pay for their bills, when like they're when they feel like they're living of censorship living in a time of censorship and a lack of free speech and ridiculous trans men ridiculous things like trans men breastfeeding baby , they need breastfeeding baby, they need their british people need their the british people need their the british people need their interests looking after. >> okay , i completely agree. their interests looking after. >> and/ , i completely agree. their interests looking after. >> and that'sympletely agree. their interests looking after. >> and that's whattely agree. their interests looking after. >> and that's whattely news. their interests looking after. >> and that's whattely news is. >> and that's what gb news is. and other decent media are therefore so crack on and you've got full and any time therefore so crack on and you've got wantrll and any time therefore so crack on and you've got wantrll to and any time therefore so crack on and you've got wantrll to join and any time therefore so crack on and you've got wantrll to join you any time therefore so crack on and you've got wantrll to join you iny time therefore so crack on and you've got wantrll to join you in thatie you want me to join you in that campaign me know campaign, you just let me know when comes to russia, i'll when it comes to russia, i'll tell you what the british people think. is of their think. is it top of their agenda? people agenda? no. the british people see putin for what he is a murdering tyrant. and the british people believe that britain stands up to murdering tyrants. yeah. okay. so that is the point here. and there the key point here. and there are here that are two elements here that we need focus there need to focus on. look, there are going saying, are people going to be saying, oh, we do this and do that. the important thing that important thing today is that vladimir kara—murza, who now vladimir kara—murza, who is now the profile russian the most high profile russian political prisoner, we put as much attention as possible because he is also a british bob. >> we need we don't want you to leave the studio, but we do have

to take a very quick break. you

the detriment of their education. >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> we're continuing to have a rather heated debate here in the studio with conservative mp for the isle of wight, seely is here. >> bob, can i say, bob, you were raising the other dissident. yeah. who? you. vladimir kara—murza, who's british? >> a british citizen is a british passport holder . british passport holder. >> he's british citizen. uh >> he's a british citizen. uh some of his family are here. he's also russian citizen. and he's also a russian citizen. and the do not recognise the russians do not recognise him as a brit. he is now the most profile political most high profile political prisoner russia. his health prisoner in russia. his health has also been affected by being poisoned twice by the russian state, when they have tried to kill him and he's next on their target and worries . target list. and what worries. me now is that the last time i spoke to yevgenia, his, uh, very amazing and impressive wife, is that she wants him out. now we need something when need to do something more. when it comes to navalny and kara—murza, i talked the kara—murza, i have talked to the british over the last british government over the last yeah

british government over the last year. do you year. privately. do you negotiate? can we negotiate? what options ? and i've what are the options? and i've been clearly been told very clearly by diplomats ministers, we diplomats and ministers, we can't negotiate because you just diplomats and ministers, we can't it gotiate because you just diplomats and ministers, we can't it more e because you just diplomats and ministers, we can't it more likelyiuse you just diplomats and ministers, we can't it more likely that you just diplomats and ministers, we can't it more likely that you'llst make it more likely that you'll get state hostages taken. so more would be taken as more brits would be taken as just pawns. i accept that argument, comes argument, but it comes at a price . navalny now um, price. navalny is now dead. um, he wasn't our citizen. so if anything, the germans were probably the lead and the probably in the lead and the americans the lead on americans were in the lead on that. but kara—murza is our man. and that and what pains me is that the poles and some baltic poles and some of the baltic repubuc poles and some of the baltic republic governments working republic governments are working harder release harder to secure his release than , so we need than we are, so we really need to game on. vladimir to up our game on. vladimir >> otherwise he is next and they're talk about they're going to talk about sanctions state. what do they do? nothing because while germany gas he germany is buying russian gas he doesn't care. >> um, there is going to be a lot of sabre rattling. so we have this. we have do have to do this. we have to do that. magnitsky sanctions. that. the magnitsky sanctions. so yeah john so bill browder yeah john earlier in bought in earlier but bought in bought in the sanctions after the magnitsky sanctions after his magnitsky was his lawyer magnitsky was murdered prison . so you murdered in prison. so you sanction all the way all the people the way through. they're going a badge of going to wear this as a badge of honouh going to wear this as a badge of honour. do it honour. but we need to do it anyway. have to now anyway. but we have to now prioritise . kara—murza. the prioritise. kara—murza. the other we to do, bev,

other thing we have to do, bev, we putin murdering we can't stop putin murdering inside russia. can't stop him inside russia. we can't stop him murdering ukraine. we have murdering in ukraine. we have got to sure that the got to make sure that the ukrainians can arm themselves to defend their country. >> the right. what >> they have the right. what does that look like? >> that through to its >> follow that through to its logical conclusion for me, because putin has been very clear about the fact if we clear about the fact that if we if ukraine and what if he loses in ukraine and what he but he won't, we won't lose. >> you define losing bev. yeah. you define losing. >> define losing. my >> you define losing. this is my point. won't . okay. point. if well, he won't. okay. >> there are a series of options, probably the most options, but probably the most likely. if we don't arm likely. look, if we don't arm the ukrainians now, what's going likely. look, if we don't arm th> in the. no no >> bob in the. no, no no no no no [10 ho, soi’i’y. >> no no, sorry. >> you're going have it in >> you're going to have it in a much greater scale. you're going to of to have a collapse of the moldovan won't moldovan government. putin won't stop not stop at ukraine, okay? he's not going to be invading the uk. nobody's but he we nobody's arguing that. but he we are become best way are going to become the best way for us to avoid conflict with russia in future is for the ukrainians to do the fighting

and to fight the russians to a stop, a standstill. now it's not going to happen. >> it's not going to happen. and in process doing it in the process of doing so, it could the could bankrupt all of the western countries. biden , western countries. and biden, who's money who's laundering his money through . through that country. >> that's important. so your argument invade argument is let putin invade ukraine, let putin kill tens, tens of thousands of more people. and then he'll just and then he'll be a happy bunny. >> no. you at what >> no, no. if you look at what he's from the start, he's requested from the start, it that donbas region, it was that that donbas region, he wanted the east back. >> he's requested from the start is all nato troops back to germany. >> so no nato troops in poland, no nato troops in the baltic . no nato troops in the baltic. >> i understand that i don't i understand why putin wouldn't want nato troops on his border , want nato troops on his border, but we wouldn't want it. >> nato is a defensive organisation. nato ain't invading . invading russia. >> you're buying into why didn't, wasn't didn't, why didn't, why wasn't he? you're buying. >> buying putin playbook. >> i'm afraid she has. i'm afraid bought into afraid you've all bought into the there's one other the idea that there's one other story. you know, like an story. i've, you know, like an apologist for worst dictator in. >> saying that >> i'm just saying that there are to the story. are two sides to the story.

>> there isn't. >> no, there isn't. >> no, there isn't. >> it looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello, i'm alex burchill here with your latest gb news, weather forecast. there has been a bit of rain around already this morning that's clearing this morning but that's clearing away to leave a largely dry afternoon. the front that brought the rain. some of us had earlier on today pushed its earlier on today has pushed its way towards the east and like i said, the rain is clearing away as so for many a mostly as well. so for many a mostly dry , there will even be dry picture, there will even be some decent bright or sunny spells breaking out. but we do need to watch out for a few showers , particularly across need to watch out for a few showeof , particularly across need to watch out for a few showeof east ticularly across need to watch out for a few showeof east anglia.y across need to watch out for a few showeof east anglia. maybe into parts of east anglia. maybe into western northern as western northern scotland as well. showers well. a few showers are possible. temperatures are above average for the time of year. still highs of around 14 or 15 celsius. towards the south and even further north, it's likely to be a few degrees above average two through this evening and cloudier and overnight. a cloudier picture across scotland winds strengthening here before some rain its way in, staying

rain pushes its way in, staying dner rain pushes its way in, staying drier elsewhere there, but increasing amounts of cloud pushing in from the west. some clearer skies, though towards eastern areas and under these clearer skies it may turn a little chilly. low single figures, that kind of thing. so i'm not expecting any frost, but it a of a fresh it could be a bit of a fresh start on tuesday morning as we go through the day itself, though, wet and though, turning wet and windy across and northern across scotland and northern ireland a band of pushes ireland as a band of rain pushes its eastwards, this its way south eastwards, this then feeding into parts of england wales later on. but england and wales later on. but in the south—east it's actually going to stay dry through the day and the rain not arriving here until later on, but we are going temperatures still going to see temperatures still above the time of above average for the time of yeah above average for the time of year. of around 14 or 15 year. highs of around 14 or 15 celsius. again by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news .

>> good afternoon britain . it's >> good afternoon britain. it's 12:00 on monday the 19th of february. >> warning to the kremlin. britain will take action over the death of russian opposition leader alexei navalny as david cameron warns mps today when they return to the house of commons that new sanctions are on the way. >> yes, he does indeed, and sacked for criticising hamas former labour minister lord austin has been controversially suspended as the chair of a housing association after describing hamas as islamist rapists and murderers, housing minister michael gove has demanded an urgent explanation , demanded an urgent explanation, and the families of the victims killed in the nottingham triple murder by valdo cocconi have been left, quote, sickened after they learned that officers shared gruesome details of their loved ones injuries to others using . using. whatsapp i'm ben, have you seen this mega

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