citizens assemblies to help them make key policy decisions . is make key policy decisions. is this a good idea or not.7 also. would you even volunteer to be on one of those things and get this a fire service has come under fire today. do you see what i did there? yes. uh, they basically refused to get into four foot flood water help four foot flood water to help rescue a motorist that had been trapped his car. so, long trapped in his car. so, long story was left to a story short, it was left to a member public to help rescue member of public to help rescue the fella instead. why? well, you and you guessed it, health and safety. i'm asking you, do you think rules sometimes are think these rules sometimes are more hindrance than a help ? more a hindrance than a help? and last but not least, do you think all drivers should have to retake their driving test at the ripe old age of 65 years of age? thatis ripe old age of 65 years of age? that is a proposal that parliament looks set to discuss.

your that . yes, your thoughts on that. yes, indeed. we'll be debating all of that and more. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest news headlines. mitchell thank you and good evening to you. >> let's start with some breaking news this hour. the three children found dead at a house bristol have house in bristol yesterday have been named police . they are been named by police. they are siblings. faris bash , who was siblings. faris bash, who was aged seven. three year old jewry bash and nine month old mohammed bash, a police presence remains in the area after the children were found dead yesterday by police officers who were responding to a welfare call. a 42 year old woman was arrested at the scene. she's been taken to hospital. she does remain in police custody . those names police custody. those names released in the last half hour now , a man who piloted a people now, a man who piloted a people

smuggling small boat across the engush smuggling small boat across the english channel has been found guilty of manslaughter. if you're watching on tv, you'll be able exclusive able to see this exclusive footage obtained by gb news of the rescue operation, which took place in december of 2022. the four migrants had drowned during that channel crossing after the boat had run into some difficulty. ibrahim abbas , who difficulty. ibrahim abbas, who is a senegalese migrant, claimed he'd sailed before and that meant he was allowed to make the journey free of charge while the others had paid thousands for the crossing. the judge in the case said the boat was navigated using mobile phone using only mobile phone technology and as result of technology and as a result of his actions, four people lost their lives as. his actions, four people lost their lives as . now, his actions, four people lost their lives as. now, kemi badenoch has been taking aim at former post office chairman henry storton in the commons today, accusing him of making a series of inaccurate claims. a row broke out yesterday after mr staunton suggested he'd been made a scapegoat for the post office scandal and that the

government had deliberately delayed compensation payouts. but speaking in the commons, the business secretary refuted those claims robustly. mr staunton claimed that when he was first appointed as chair of the post office, he was told by a senior civil servant to stall on paying compensation . compensation. >> there is no evidence whatsoever that this is true . in whatsoever that this is true. in fact, on becoming post office chair, mr staunton received a letter from the bays permanent secretary, sarah mumby, on the 9th of december, 2022. it welcomed him to his role, making it crystal clear that successfully reaching settlements with victims of the post office scandal should be one of his highest priorities . one of his highest priorities. as kemi badenoch sukh speaking about an hour ago now, specialist dive teams are continuing to search the river soarin continuing to search the river soar in leicester this evening in a search for a two year old boy who fell into the water yesterday. >> officers are saying rising river levels and recent heavy rainfall has resulted in very difficult search conditions. leicestershire police assistant

chief constable michaela kerr says the force is stepping up its search efforts to find the little boy. >> we have today reinforced our resources searching for that little boy we have been able to secure additional support from colleagues in, uh, in local regions and from national police resources . we are using resources. we are using specialist divers within the river soar , and we continue to river soar, and we continue to use the helicopter and aerial technology to try and locate the little boy . our priority for little boy. our priority for leicestershire police is to make sure that we find this little boy, michaela kerr of leicestershire police . leicestershire police. >> now, new guidance was issued today by the government for teachers in england on restricting the use of smartphones in schools as concerns continue to grow over the impact of social media on young people, headteachers can now choose to include a ban on phonesin now choose to include a ban on phones in their schools behaviour policy, with provisions for searches if

necessary, but a union rep resenting headteachers says the guidelines aren't needed because robust rules already exist . a robust rules already exist. a just stop oil protester has defended the disruption caused by her demonstration , arguing by her demonstration, arguing that dramatic action was needed to get the group's point across. cambridge university student cressida gethin was convicted of causing a nuisance after she climbed onto a gantry over the m20 five during her trial , the m20 five during her trial, the court heard the protest caused the delay of almost 4000 british airways passengers , not to airways passengers, not to mention the thousands of people trapped in traffic. as a result . trapped in traffic. as a result. miss gethin told gb news she never intended to cause any harm. >> well, i needed a protest in a way that would break through the media narrative, break through and get the message heard , um, and get the message heard, um, that you know, 40 degrees in the uk is extraordinary. there's a massive moral dilemma involved. and and, um, uh , whilst i feel

and and, um, uh, whilst i feel it was absolutely necessary, i don't want to, um, you know, disavow the fact that it will have had an effect on people. and that doesn't sit easy with me. >> campaigners have lost a high court challenge over renewed plans to build a road tunnel near stonehenge in wiltshire . near stonehenge in wiltshire. the department of transport approved the plans in july last yean approved the plans in july last year, despite concerns over its potential impact . mental impact potential impact. mental impact the save stonehenge world heritage site group launched a bid in the high court to halt the construction, but a judge to dismiss that today. national highways says the tunnel will remove the sight and sound of passing traffic in the area and cut journey times for drivers . cut journey times for drivers. lord cameron has been visiting some key battle sites in the falkland islands as part of a high profile visit to show that the islands are a valued part of the islands are a valued part of the british family . the historic the british family. the historic visit, the first by a foreign secretary in 30 years, comes amid renewed calls by argentina

for negotiations on the island's future at goose green, one of the key sites from the war, in 1982. he visited the museum there and spoke to local residents at the community hall. he also visited san carlos and laid a wreath at the memorial to those who lost their lives there. lord cameron says the sovereignty of the falkland islands is non—negotiable , which islands is non—negotiable, which he says is in line with the islanders desire themselves to remain british. but the very latest news stories do sign up for gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts . go to gb news. com slash alerts. >> thank you very much for that, polly. i've got to say. gosh, some of those stories, they're very, very sad out there. those three children there in bristol . three children there in bristol. and of course that little boy is in the river really, really sad news, course, i'm hoping. and news, of course, i'm hoping. and praying good outcome . in praying for a good outcome. in that latter case, just so sad.

if anyone does know any good news, any positive , uplifting news, any positive, uplifting things, i'm always open ear to those kind of things because sometimes it can be hard yards, can't it? listening to the news in this country, i've got to say. anyway keeping me company until tonight, i've got until 7:00 tonight, i've got business owner, political commentator and former labour councillor craig. good councillor kevin craig. good evening. i've got some good news. >> what is that? two by—election wins for labour last week. >> took couple of seconds >> took him a couple of seconds to that one didn't it? to get that one in, didn't it? do you think that's good news? lord moylan alongside him? >> think it's good >> no, i don't think it's good news all. are >> no, i don't think it's good nevthere|ll. are >> no, i don't think it's good nevthere yourre >> no, i don't think it's good nevthere you go. the bubble was bare. >> sorry. >> sorry. >> you know, with kevin in the lead, where we're heading over the edge of a cliff. >> and there you that >> oh, and there you go. that was the. was supposed to be was the. that was supposed to be a nice, cheery, cheery segment. on a serious note there. anyone out anything out there? any anything good happening? whereabouts you are? do touch with me. do get in touch with me. because, you know, the drill was not about it is about not just about us. it is about you guys as well. vaiews@gbnews.com is how you can of or can vaiews@gbnews.com is how you can me of or can vaiews@gbnews.com is how you can me ex of or can vaiews@gbnews.com is how you can me ex me or can vaiews@gbnews.com is how you can me ex me at or can vaiews@gbnews.com is how you can me ex me at gb' can vaiews@gbnews.com is how you can me ex me at gb news.an vaiews@gbnews.com is how you can me ex me at gb news. let's tweet me ex me at gb news. let's start then, shall we? uh, talking about is a subject that

i get into the goings on i always get into the goings on within schools, but smartphone, as these days as you know, everyone these days pretty has them, uh, set pretty much has them, uh, set only as well. young children . only as well. young children. i've got to say, i'm not sure how healthy that is. anyway, the government's come out today with a new policy this regard. a new policy in this regard. let's listen to gillian let's have a listen to gillian keegan. education secretary. keegan. our education secretary. >> do is empower >> what we want to do is empower head teachers to make that head teachers to make sure that mobile phones are, you know, not used in school. and i think that's something that all parents will probably welcome. well, there's lots of problems. it's, um, texting and being on social media when you should be, um, you know, being taught and learning your lessons . it's, um, learning your lessons. it's, um, sometimes bullying and sometimes it's, um, you know, people sort of ostracise teasing somebody on social media. that's something else that you see, you know, it's very pervasive . it's very pervasive. >> there you go. let me start with you. uh, lord moylan, this whole notion, i mean, i want to be clear, everybody, by the way, because a lot of schools are

already doing stuff like this in schools. this policy today, i'll just bring you up to speed if you're not already. this four opfions you're not already. this four options it. option options basically on it. option one, phones the one, no mobile phones on the school all. option school premises at all. option two phones handed on two mobile phones handed in on arrival. mobile arrival. option three mobile phones secure phones kept in a secure location. option for never used seen or heard. basically, you can have it at the bottom of your bag switched off. where are your bag switched off. where are you on of this, lord moylan? you on all of this, lord moylan? well i personally think well i personally don't think mobile phones should be allowed in think the in schools, but i think the important thing here is the government actually government isn't actually telling is telling headteachers this is what to do . what you've got to do. >> they're saying if these if this is a problem for you, here are four options. and if you choose one of those options, then the government. and as far as we understand it, the law will back you up. you have the right do and these are right to do this. and these are suggested options you could take right to do this. and these are suggtheyd options you could take right to do this. and these are suggthey range»ns you could take right to do this. and these are suggthey range from»u could take right to do this. and these are suggthey range from the)uld take right to do this. and these are suggthey range from the milderze and they range from the milder to the more, the more extreme, but it remains the choice of the headteacher, the schools policy. what to do? i personally think, um, not having them in school is a really good idea . yeah. um, it

a really good idea. yeah. um, it doesn't mean to say non—smartphones can't be available. it doesn't mean to say that children have to be totally have contact with their parents they're travelling totally have contact with their parentor they're travelling totally have contact with their parentor whatever're travelling totally have contact with their parentor whatever .e travelling totally have contact with their parentor whatever. um,velling totally have contact with their parentor whatever. um, but ng home or whatever. um, but smartphones are addictive and they do distract and i think, you know, this really the key point is we need children to pay attention to what's going on in school by the age of 12, 97% of children earn a phone. >> i don't think it's a smartphone, but they earn certainly a phone. is that necessary in this day and age? you tell me where are you on it, kevin? >> well, i look forward, michel, in a few years time. yeah. when your son. yeah starts having the conversations . with you. right. conversations. with you. right. based on peer pressure and asking for a phone. okay. it's a nightmare. and it starts earlier and earlier, and the. it's hard for parents to say no devices . i for parents to say no devices. i do agree with much of what daniel said. i think mobile phones with all the wonders of technology, they're great, but they are often very unhelpful to learning . and i think today

learning. and i think today today's story is basically a rehash of old, old news by the government. but it gives headteachers now get on with it, get on with it. control mobile devices in schools because you need to. yeah. >> and i get i know what you're saying about the whole peer pressure scenario . but pressure scenario. yeah. but what never really what i've never really understood can have understood and yeah we can have this conversation about ten this conversation in about ten years again, we can ask years or so. again, we can ask me back this, but why me back about this, but why don't together then don't parents come together then and collectively, all and say, look, collectively, all these in the class, they these kids in the class, they want smartphones and want these smartphones and stuff. years of stuff. they read ten years of age. don't think it's age. we don't think it's appropriate. let's collectively come together as a parental group and we all draw the line and no kids, not and say, no kids, you're not having them. >> michelle. it sounds so easy like that, right? but i can tell you as the father of two daughters, aged 18 and 16, that would never have worked okay if i'd ever said to nulla and i'd have ever said to nulla and tulla, you're not. you're not having they have having them, they would have just from me and my just not had it from me and my partner. it work like partner. it doesn't work like that. impossible. that. it's impossible. >> buying the mum, >> but you're buying the mum, you're buying the phones for them.

>> you are. but they talk then about they're isolated. they don't the odd ones. don't want to be the odd ones. it's never going happen. it's just never going to happen. so what's really important is that do this. that schools do this. i think it's good. and can i say it's really good. and can i say i've got a good friend. so many viewers show, one of viewers of your show, one of them, pitman in cumbria, them, edith pitman in cumbria, in kendal, thinks the in in kendal, she thinks the same this of older same about this of an older generation. same about this of an older gerand on. same about this of an older gerand 01think where's edith >> and i think where's edith comes because she's of comes from because she's one of your and she your viewers and she passionately says much she passionately says how much she loves oh. hello, loves the show. oh. hello, edith. we like that. hello, edith. oh, we like that. hello, love. hope you're watching tonight. think you are. um tonight. big i think you are. um it's kind of it's just you're kind of offsetting your parental duties a bit. you're saying? oh, a little bit. you're saying? oh, yeah. really yeah. it's really hard. parenting be parenting is supposed to be hard. parenting is hard. a good parenting is supposed be hard. supposed to be hard. >> listen, any anyone listening to or watching it, who's >> listen, any anyone listening to kidsr watching it, who's >> listen, any anyone listening to kids overching it, who's >> listen, any anyone listening to kids over the g it, who's >> listen, any anyone listening to kids over the age who's >> listen, any anyone listening to kids over the age of1o's >> listen, any anyone listening to kids over the age of ten is got kids over the age of ten is saying, let's let michelle dewberry give me a ring when her son is old enough . son is old enough. >> um, do you have kids or grandkids? maybe over the age of ten or they're. or thereabouts. are you in this camp now? which kevin's explaining to me that actually these ten year olds run

the your house, and the roost in your house, and it's on there. they are dictating you out it's on there. they are dict'spend you out it's on there. they are dict'spend your you out it's on there. they are dict'spend your wages/ou out it's on there. they are dict'spend your wages on. out it's on there. they are dict'spend your wages on. kevin: and spend your wages on. kevin and spend your wages on. kevin and provide them with £1,000 plus is that like plus phone. is that am i like being a little bit naive here because got to you, if because i've got to tell you, if my year old thought he was my ten year old thought he was coming into my house telling me that mummy, going give that mummy, you're going to give me pound plus for me this thousand pound plus for this i be like this telephone so i can be like my friends. uh, my child would be short, sharp. be getting a very short, sharp. no not. that's not going to no i'm not. that's not going to happen, young man. where are you on this whole that on it? this whole notion that parents actually, because we've discussed school thing, discussed the school thing, i think all in agreement, think we're all in agreement, actually, that within a school environment. actually, that within a school environmentso got a nice, telephones. so we've got a nice, um, element of agreement. we like but this parental like that. but this parental aspect, think that aspect, do you think that parents to be bit parents need to be a bit tougher, am i a bit tougher, or am i being a bit naive or what? >> i'm not a parent. i've never been a parent, so i don't think i'm best person you've got i'm the best person you've got to. i am a god parent. i'm a god parent i've got seven parent to. i've got seven godchildren, coolblue me quite a lot. that's expensive. daniel, i drew the line. >> you must have a bob or two then, because people tend to choose they choose godparents. well, they think a bit of. think they've got a bit of. >> think you see that i've

>> they think you see that i've got money, but but they're got some money, but but they're going to discover in due course that it's all been blown and none it, of it's going none of it, none of it's going to be anyway. whatever to be left anyway. whatever little there is. so i don't little there is. um, so i don't think i'm in a position to preach to people, but i will say that generation, that in an older generation, when back, there was when i'm going back, there was a fought amongst parents that actually saying no to children was wasn't was good for them, and it wasn't just of i'm saying no just a case of i'm saying no because don't to say yes, because i don't want to say yes, but actually denying children some of the things they wanted was good them and was good for them because and i think gone i think think that idea has gone i think there are parents of course, who still say no because it's ridiculous of to ridiculous amount of money to spend on via a phone or something else. but when you see the money, they do spend on children, sometimes, um, and, and what they do, i think this idea that actually bringing up children of children to a sense of self—denial , um, is, is has self—denial, um, is, is has gone. and i think that is a bit of a loss. i think it is good for their character if they. yeah.i for their character if they. yeah. i learn that some things, they're not going to get everything they want . everything they want. >> mean, i think making

>> no, i mean, i think making sure you don't spoil kids and discipline, no is one discipline, saying no is one thing, really thing, but i'm just really interested any interested if there are any viewers or listeners with kids , viewers or listeners with kids, you know, 13 and over who've said no phone, no device, i'd love to meet one. >> um, well, like i said, you need to reconnect with me. in about ten years time, i will be the first. i will be the first person. >> no you won't. you'll be eating your hat. >> i don't think you see, i was, uh, at legoland this weekend . uh, at legoland this weekend. other theme parks are available. everyone and i really everyone and i was really struck, actually , by the amount struck, actually, by the amount of children and i'm talking, like, often as well. babies or not babies, but small toddlers and prams. and they were in their prams with like, um, an ipad thing, a tablet in ipad type thing, a tablet in front of them. and i'm thinking to you've paid this to myself, you've paid all this money, brought your money, now you've brought your children you children to somewhere that you see that. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> and then you're shoving your kid um, boogie , kid around in this, um, boogie, watching whatever it an watching whatever it is on an ipad. like why? agreed. why would you do such thing would you do such a thing anyway? uh katharine birbalsingh

. she. i've got to say, i quite like this lady. you'll know she she's very tough. she's the headmistress of michaela school. she tweeted out today about the smartphone thing. excellent news. but we need much more than this. smartphone and social media must be banned for under 60 again, maybe 60 year olds. but again, maybe i'm maybe i'm being really harsh. maybe you're shouting at me. i'm saying i'm naive as a parent. why can't you just stop your child going on social media? >> it's very difficult to enforce i mean, enforce that. i mean, i ultimately agree with you about that. it's parents responsibility. parents or carers to do this . but it's carers to do this. but it's really difficult. you know, and i do believe in discipline and there have been loads of rules in my house about phones and there will carry on being it, um, and the youngest has had to sign a sign up to not deleting tiktok till gcses are over. so i'm living this right now and i'm living this right now and i'm glad that schools have already been able to and should carry on taking a tough line. but you know, there are the bigger challenges in schools about budgets, staff about funding, budgets, staff

and building. >> indeed, michelle, >> indeed, louise says michelle, i've year old. he's i've got a ten year old. he's just walking to school i've got a ten year old. he's jushimself, walking to school i've got a ten year old. he's jushimself, wahe1g to school i've got a ten year old. he's jushimself, wahe phoneshool i've got a ten year old. he's jushimself, wahe phones me. by himself, so he phones me whilst he's walking. he then switches then hands switches it off and then hands it the office at school to it into the office at school to collect at home time, she says it all works absolutely perfectly. an perfectly. andy you make an interesting there, interesting point there, my friend. says michelle mobile friend. he says michelle mobile should not just in should be banned not just in schools, also co in schools, but also co in parliament. um, i can tell you now, you brought glint to my eye then because i was thinking about, um, the guy i called tractor boy. do you remember what he was up to? um, looking at a brand of tractors, apparently. um, whilst parliament was sitting, you parliament was sitting, do you remember that? so, actually, that's bad that's probably not a little bad idea throw in there, idea that you throw in there, andy. look, you guys andy. anyway, look, you guys are bringing in good news. i like that have some of that for that i'll have some of that for you break. i've also you after the break. i've also got i want to discuss with got lots i want to discuss with you assemblies. you you citizens assemblies. do you think the in this think that is the future in this country help our politicians country to help our politicians to key policy decisions? to decide key policy decisions? would be on one would you volunteer to be on one of assemblies or not? tell of these assemblies or not? tell me i'll see you in two.

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radio . radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. the conservative peer lord daniel moylan and the former labour councillor kevin craig, alongside just former labour councillor kevin craig, a aboutde just former labour councillor kevin craig, a about telephones there, talking about telephones there, lee says, when are we going to stop just banning things that we've got issues with? i don't think we should ban phones in schools, but perhaps we should put them into lockers. i also think it would be a good idea, he says, to have lessons in school. on the safety of using mobile phones and social media. do think smartphones have do you think smartphones have been for in our been a force for good in our society? so people now society? so many people now they're them, aren't they're addicted to them, aren't they? time sitting they? all the time just sitting there. hours and hours go by, don't you're don't they? when you're scrolling kinds stuff, scrolling at all kinds of stuff, you dinner with someone. you go for dinner with someone. now around the restaurant. now look around the restaurant. everyone's on everyone's just sat there on their i find that their mobile phones. i find that latter the height of latter one the height of rudeness. it rude. i think it rudeness. it is rude. i think it is as well. i constantly argue about this in my private life because you're going because i think if you're going for dinner with someone, get off

your telephone. >> silly man. >> yeah. silly man. >> yeah. silly man. >> i'm just a bit boring. >> maybe i'm just a bit boring. maybe it says about me than >> maybe i'm just a bit boring. maypersonays about me than >> maybe i'm just a bit boring. mayperson sitting about me than >> maybe i'm just a bit boring. mayperson sitting oppositene than >> maybe i'm just a bit boring. mayperson sitting opposite me.�*|an the person sitting opposite me. anyway, labour party anyway, labour the labour party is plans now to is working on plans now to introduce citizens assembly as is working on plans now to inthe uce citizens assembly as is working on plans now to inthe party tizens assembly as is working on plans now to inthe party getss assembly as is working on plans now to inthe party gets into ;embly as is working on plans now to inthe party gets into power. as if the party gets into power. long story this long story short, this will be a collection british collection of the great british pubuc collection of the great british public and they'll be getting involved, looking at involved, debating, looking at evidence, could recommendations, etc. it could be really from housing, be anything really from housing, devolution stuff, constitutional reform. on forth. now reform. so on and so forth. now in they . have these in ireland they. have these citizens assemblies already and what a treat for you ladies and gents at home, because i have not one but two. uh ukip irish dual citizens on my panel tonight. what do you make to these citizens? uh, assemblies? >> very, very >> i think they're very, very dangerous because there dangerous indeed because there are undermining our are means of undermining our representative democracy. there used in ireland. indeed. and as they means they will be here as a means whereby, , the powers that be whereby, um, the powers that be can manipulate opinion, the people who end up on them and are willing to give the time to them, are normally committed to a particular side in a debate, and they they are there, as the irish they prepare the

irish say, they prepare the ground for change. but that's the that powers that the change that the powers that be want to see achieved anyway. um, and, and they move in a particular direction . they particular direction. they undermine parliament and i will just say we did have a meeting of the biggest citizens assembly that we've ever in this that we've ever had in this country in we did. and sir country in 2016. we did. and sir keir starmer wouldn't accept the result because he didn't like it. so you know, let's be honest, this is about forgive me, i'm not sure this is going to this is anti democratic. >> it's all about it's all about people. >> this is anti—democratic. um, and also my view and it also shows in my view that distraction because that it's a distraction because labour doesn't have any policies. so let's see what their policies are. rather than you know when. all right. fair enough. closer to an enough. you get closer to an election. have to have election. they have to have a manifesto. i'm not saying they have have all their policies have to have all their policies out show today, we need out on show today, but we need to what labour's policies to see what labour's policies are. this is not a policy. this is a way of not talking about policy and kicking all. the policy and kicking it all. the other of the general election. >> so it would be a disaster. would it? >> uh, well, where to start with

that? this is where the consensus because consensus ends, okay. because what about is the what we're talking about is the fact kia's new of fact that kia's new chief of staff, relatively sue gray staff, relatively new sue gray has given a quote to a book coming out at the end of the month, and in it, she talks about, uh, importing the idea of citizens assemblies from ireland and i actually, there's and i think actually, there's a different way of looking at this, which is a lot of listeners and viewers this listeners and viewers of this channel are interested in politics that listens more to people, that talks down to them less. right. and i think we should look at this idea, which i don't know the detail of. i look forward to seeing more of it when the book comes out and talking to sue gray. if i have a chance, we should look at this as soon select committees that people with people can get involved with themselves. um ultimately, as it's happened in ireland , it it's happened in ireland, it still has to come back to government . but people want to government. but people want to be involved more and they don't want done them. and want stuff done to them. and that's there's a you know, that's why there's a you know, keir spoken about and keir starmer is spoken about and ignonng keir starmer is spoken about and ignoring for now. daniel's jibe

that labour hasn't got any policies because we could do an hour on the policies we have got. but keir starmer is into politics that does less to people and asks more and people and asks them more and ultimately it still has to come back through the parliament, common laws and the government . common laws and the government. i think it's interesting because people are, in a way fed up with the political class not listening enough. >> help me >> but then, sir, help me understand a few things, because already we're trying already when we're trying to create new and all the rest create new laws and all the rest of often we do have of it, often we do have a consultation period, don't we? so people, your average joe can get give their get involved and give their feedback. average joe, if feedback. so the average joe, if you call them that, they you want to call them that, they are involved in policy you want to call them that, they are shaping nvolved in policy you want to call them that, they are shaping outcomes policy you want to call them that, they are shaping outcomes and cy you want to call them that, they are shaping outcomes and letting and shaping outcomes and letting them, letting them, um, you know, letting their known and their thoughts be known and all their thoughts be known and all the of so to me, you've the rest of it. so to me, you've already got that the already got that step. the second is people will second thing is many people will say that parliament essentially is some citizens is some form of citizens assembly we assembly because we go out, we involve ourselves in the, you know, general election or local election whatever. the election or whatever. at the very that, you know, very point being that, you know, what my in my life, what in my in my general life, i've things to do what in my in my general life, i've think things to do what in my in my general life, i've think aboutings to do what in my in my general life, i've think about x,|s to do what in my in my general life, i've think about x, y, to do what in my in my general life, i've think about x, y, and»

what in my in my general life, i've think about x, y, and z. so than think about x, y, and z. so you i've voted you, you off. you go and i can interact with you. if i'm in your constituency, i can get in touch, email you, whatever. so this just a whatever. so isn't this just a form passing? form of kind of book passing? >> i can see in debating >> i, i can see in debating terms why you might say that one, 1y1 might say that, but, you there's lot of you know, there's a lot of things currently wrong with our democracy, don't have democracy, right? we don't have proportional representation. good, daniel, proportional representation. gthink daniel, proportional representation. gthink there's daniel, proportional representation. gthink there's many)aniel, proportional representation. gthink there's many votes, i think there's too many votes discounted in this country. okay >> counts. >> every vote counts. >> every vote counts. >> if . it doesn't there's >> well, if. it doesn't there's a different there's a disagreement about that actually because loads of votes in seats where one mp has got a massive majority, know, don't count. majority, you know, don't count. right. count. but hang right. they do count. but hang on. but to go back to michelle, your question, think it your question, i think that it is to parliament and is in addition to parliament and in ireland, some very difficult constitutional issues have benefited it's benefited from this system. it's still abortion and things like that. back to abortion then. there's live discussions now about more constitutional reform. you know, i think there are elements of this that are worth looking at because i think what of politics do what people of all politics do agree is there's a lot of

disillusionment with politics. and people feel that their voice doesn't . i mean, don't doesn't matter. i mean, don't we? >> but then i mean, look, look the way as i understand it, the way it works in ireland, you have a panel randomly selected of persons plus a chair, plus of 99 persons plus a chair, plus an independent, um, some moderator, a chair and moderator, a chair manage, and the whole thing. >> um, what are the risks of the country do while these 99 persons deliberating on persons are deliberating on their behalf, these 99 persons who haven't been elected, who have no mandate for what they're discussing, in discussing, who are filling in the policy that the details of a policy that people might well not with people might well not agree with or want to have a say on. or might want to have a say on. and yet, on the other hand, they're being asked to vote for their mp, their tds, as they are in ireland, to vote their in ireland, to vote for their tds, to sit in parliament and twiddle their thumbs while all this is going of course, this is going on. of course, i understand, you know, any decision to go through decision has to go through either legislative process or either a legislative process or a constitutional referendum . in a constitutional referendum. in ireland. if it if it meets that standard, that threshold, of course, i understand that happens. but by then you've shifted the debate so far in a particular direction that

almost, almost all of almost, you know, almost all of these are preordained these decisions are preordained in difficult to see them in very difficult to see them reversed and how a lot reversed. and that's how a lot of see it in ireland, and of people see it in ireland, and they have no say in it. they have no vote in it. they have no say it. it's anti—democratic. say in it. it's anti—democratic. >> there's very healthy >> look, there's very healthy disagreement around that. a lot of think it's of people like it think it's been very beneficial. um, but, you know , um, are you one of you know, um, are you one of those people? >> because i've had a couple of people already ireland people already from ireland getting actually. um, getting in touch, actually. um, not setups at all. not liking these setups at all. liam says it's basically a cop out by our government. unrepresentative and just a way of public for of softening up the public for unpalatable measures . um, unpalatable measures. um, martin, you say michelle, to the point which was made earlier. surely this is what the house of commons is supposed to be, or it certainly was when it got set up, he says. doesn't this just show westminster has show how westminster has essentially forgotten its core purpose? keith only purpose? keith says only left wing activists will volunteer for citizens assemblies, he for citizens assemblies, and he says mine . that's says his words, not mine. that's why starmer's sneaky socialist thoughts are in favour of them. keith that's bit rude, mate. keith that's a bit rude, mate. >> uh, saying that because

>> okay, uh, saying that because basically the rude about that, well, not the idea is only well, it's not the idea is only socialists lefties that are socialists or lefties that are going involved in this. going to get involved in this. actually you'll that some actually you'll find that some of involved people in of the most involved people in communities, the people communities, some of the people you from on big you hear most from on big planning campaigns planning permission campaigns are right of centre in are from the right of centre in politics. so keith , there politics. so keith, there doesn't sound like what one would call a swing voter. sounds like he's in the made up his mind and he can have a pop mind box and he can have a pop at starmer about that. but at keir starmer about that. but actually a lot of people think that more democracy and getting people more involved help the people more involved to help the litvinenko perfectly litvinenko democracy perfectly democratic . democratic. >> there's democracy. >> there's no democracy. >> there's no democracy. >> democratic as an >> it's as democratic as an unelected house of lords , isn't unelected house of lords, isn't it? is the democracy? it? where is the democracy? isn't it? it's as democratic as an unelected house of lords. >> just >> house of lords just scrutinises legislation mainly and actually, know, improves and actually, you know, improves it and everything that it in detail and everything that goes through ends having goes through it ends up having to be agreed by the commons goes through it ends up having to be agto ed by the commons goes through it ends up having to be agto agreethe commons goes through it ends up having to be agto agree with ommons anyway to agree with you. >> but, know, you should be >> but, you know, you should be welcoming different welcoming a different role. >> about scrutinising >> this isn't about scrutinising legislation. about legislation. this is about shifting and shifting on a debate and involving people who have, who have, whom there's no

have, for whom there's no accountability, deliberately random . there's random. there's no accountability on their part, uh, at all. and i'm not saying they're all going to be lefties, but i am saying that many of them are going to be engaged in those topics. i mean, if you got the call from you know, whoever allocates these things says, allocates these things and says, you you been picked you know, you you've been picked for this panel and it's on railways, but you're interest is actually in how to improve nature conservation. you might say, no, i'll give up on the railways. one, i'll wait for the nature to one to nature conservation to one to come along, because where come along, because that's where i expertise. but you i have my expertise. but you have your expertise almost certainly because you've got particular the topic particular views on the topic and also, mean, if you'll walk and also, i mean, if you'll walk away from random one, it is away from the random one, it is all engagement. away from the random one, it is all i engagement. away from the random one, it is all i imagine agement. away from the random one, it is all i imagine that|ent. away from the random one, it is all i imagine that ant. of >> i imagine that a lot of people that are volunteering to do kind of role, they're do this kind of role, they're already politically engaged. if you're your you're going to give up your weekends forjust weekends often for just voluntary only, it's voluntary expense, only, it's because politically because you're politically engaged. so to me, you're not reaching new breadth reaching this whole new breadth of you should be of people that you should be trying engage . you're just trying to engage. you're just talking with talking and engaging with us already and speaking already. engage and speaking about engagement says about engagement, paddy says

citizen assembly should citizen citizens assembly should only a good idea if they only be a good idea if they replace the politicians that we have, and speaking of politicians, i was looking today and i we're up to 90 so and i think we're up to 90 so far. of the 650 sitting mps have basically said that they weren't run again, uh, for our election, i've got to say , when you go i've got to say, when you go through some of these mps and their names and all the rest of it the house of it and just the house of commons, uh, more generally, really half the people, no one even knows who they are. and it got thinking, do got me thinking, kevin, do you think moved think we've kind of moved on from era we used to from the era where we used to have the kind of big titans of politics in, um, the house of commons representing people because a lot people now, you because a lot of people now, you know, be able pick know, you won't be able to pick these of a line up. yeah. >> well, we have had more mps >> well, so we have had more mps standing i think , uh, than standing down. i think, uh, than in generations, decades. right i think that some of the mps are very well known. they're ex—cabinet there are other members of parliament who work very for five, ten, 15 very hard for five, ten, 15 years and who are not household names. absolutely why? i think what's really interesting about

this michel, today, and this story, michel, today, and it in to my fellow guest, it links in to my fellow guest, is there are so many conservatives who have stood down and the reason is they , i down and the reason is they, i think, agree with lord moylan, who has been very vocal in the last week, that unless the conservative party get rid of rishi, they haven't got a chance and i think that's what's causing say that i haven't called for rishi to go. >> what i've said is i think we should get on and have an early general election because i don't think things so. you know think things so. kevin, you know your reading isn't working your lip reading isn't working out clearly. need to out very clearly. you need to take letter by letter. well, when it, what were you when you put it, what were you quoted when you put it, what were you quclad when you put it, what were you quci want to very fair. >> i want to be very fair. >> i want to be very fair. >> so there was a poll that said you could that there's a path to victory. i said, um, that my view if you read my column, view is if you read my column, the i had in the sunday the column i had in the sunday telegraph yesterday, you read telegraph yesterday, if you read it it's too late it says clearly it's too late for a change leadership. for a change of leadership. we're going to do that. we're not going to do that. i think what to do is move think what we need to do is move on, because i don't myself see that are going get that things are going to get better. that's the government's wish, russell. >> you would want a general

election? >> i think we should. yeah. i think it's time we should think about having election. about having a general election. why? don't think from why? because i don't think from this from this is purely from a conservative point of view. i don't the don't think that the government's plan, the government's plan, the government's idea, are government's idea, is things are going better over the going to get better over the next 10 months. yeah they next 9 or 10 months. yeah they have a better chance of winning. i see that happening. some i don't see that happening. some things better, other things might get better, other things might get better, other things get worse. things are going to get worse. and don't think a lot is going and i don't think a lot is going to change the way we're to change the way, the way we're going. that's what i said. going. so that's what i said. >> that isn't that quite >> isn't that isn't that quite defeats though, defeats us though, because surely if you are. >> it isn't defeatist in >> well it isn't defeatist in a democracy say, i shouldn't democracy to say, i shouldn't say this, i'd be shot for saying it, isn't defeatist. in it, but it isn't defeatist. in a democracy to that democracy to say that occasionally the other guy should at running should have a shot at running the you know, what the show. you know, that's what democracy about. it's about democracy is about. it's about alternating parties. they will democracy is about. it's about altethat ng parties. they will democracy is about. it's about altethat at parties. they will democracy is about. it's about altethat at the ties. they will democracy is about. it's about altethat at the nextthey will democracy is about. it's about altethat at the next generall get that at the next general election. going to election. if labour are going to get labour are going win get if labour are going to win the next general election. >> and do you think they will? >> and do you think they will? >> well, all polls seem to >> well, all the polls seem to indicate i know indicate and i don't know any better you there better than do you think there should do you should the opinion polls, do you think don't think they should win? i don't think they should win? i don't think they should win? i don't think they should. no, but i

don't i don't think they should win. but different win. but that's a different matter. are to matter. if labour are going to win, what are we going do win, what are we going to do as a country? i we want them a country? i mean we want them to succeed. we want them to be a good government the country good government for the country because we're good government for the country becinvested we're good government for the country becinvested and we're good government for the country becinvested and saye're good government for the country becinvested and say in all invested in. and as i say in all invested in. and as i say in a democracy, you can't spend all your crying, but your time crying, but occasionally lose an occasionally you lose an election. that's election. that's because that's what about. what democracy is about. it's about occasionally what democracy is about. it's about losing. occasionally what democracy is about. it's about losing. um,»ccasionally what democracy is about. it's about losing. um, otherwisey what democracy is about. it's about the ;ing. um, otherwisey what democracy is about. it's about the point?n, otherwisey what democracy is about. it's about the point? buttherwisey what democracy is about. it's about the point? but then, sey what's the point? but then, wouldn't you give wouldn't you want to give yourself longest yourself the longest runway possible the possible between now and the next election? possible between now and the nexwell, election? possible between now and the nexwell, that'saction? possible between now and the nexwell, that's ation? possible between now and the nexwell, that's a different >> well, that's a different matter. the question. matter. that's the question. >> a question for the >> that's a question for the government the government as to or for the party leadership to which is party leadership as to which is going be which going going to be the which is going to give you the best outcome in terms seats. and terms of number of seats. and that's tactical issue where that's a tactical issue where i'm entirely sure that their i'm not entirely sure that their plan going work. plan is that is going to work. well, fine. >> i'll say to you at home, what do think that? you do you think to that? do you think because it trends all over twitter x, whatever you call twitter and x, whatever you call it trends all the it these days, it trends all the time, hashtag time, doesn't it? hashtag general is that general election. now is that the that you're would general election. now is that the want that you're would general election. now is that the want to at you're would general election. now is that the want to be you're would general election. now is that the want to be going would general election. now is that the want to be going to would general election. now is that the want to be going to the uld you want to be going to the polls do you want a polls right now? do you want a little longer? you think little bit longer? do you think the tories turn it around? the tories can turn it around? do change do you think things can change

or your thoughts or not? what are your thoughts on that? i'm fascinated to hear your response that also your response to that one also as coming on the show, as well. coming up on the show, i to a couple of i want to ask you a couple of things coming the things coming up, the firefighters this? firefighters did you see this? a guy 9°t firefighters did you see this? a guy got trapped guy basically got trapped in floodwater and i'm playing it on the screen. i'll describe it if you're listening. firefighters just stood there basically waiting specialist waiting for specialist assistance come of assistance to come because of health and safety in walks a member of public basically, member of the public basically, and all out is and helped sort it all out is health safety, or are our health and safety, or are our health and safety, or are our health and safety rules more hindrance help hindrance than they are? help also, , i want ask also, as well, i want to ask you, uh, over year olds, do you, uh, over 65 year olds, do you, uh, over 65 year olds, do you think should sit you think you should have to sit your test again? tell your driving test again? tell me. see you in two.

you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> hi there. michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. i was asking you, is anyone out there got any good news? sheila says yeah. what about this small but simple pleasures ? the but simple pleasures? the snowdrops are out here in norfolk, says, the norfolk, she says, and the daffodils ? spring is on its way.

daffodils? spring is on its way. yes, it is also easter eggs as well. they've been in the shops for weeks now, haven't they? but anyway, talk health and anyway, let's talk health and safety, because you safety, shall we? because as you see, driver to get see, this, a driver had to get rescued by passers by. long story short, i'll get some of this rescue up on the screen actually, because he drove into actually, because he drove into a flooded area. um, as you can see on the screen, the water has gone up there almost to the top now of the driver's side door. i'm just describing it, in case you're listening to it's you're listening to us. it's about floodwater . about four foot of floodwater. firefighters there, they just stood there basically watching on their radios. there waiting for specialist assistance . for specialist assistance. because of health and safety. they couldn't go in, uh, water. that deep. i've got to say, apparently there's, uh, signs everywhere saying , um, you know, everywhere saying, um, you know, don't go into this area . it's don't go into this area. it's flooded and all the rest of it. i don't want a victim blame or anything, but this fella was a driving uh, driving instructor. but, uh, parking second. parking that for a second. a member the public goes in in member of the public goes in in his opens and his waders, opens the door and gets fella and think gets the fella out. and i think to myself , health safety. to myself, health and safety.

surely wouldn't you just sit there, daniel, and go, look, that fella needs a bit of help in akua. no, i feel a bit, um, conflicted about this. >> it's very to easy say that's what they should do, but it raises the question, what do we expect of people whom we pay a certain wage in terms of the certain wage to in terms of the risks they take to their own lives and the threat to their own families from, you know, going doing i going in and doing something. i used chairman of used to be deputy chairman of tfl people would say to me, tfl and people would say to me, why bus drivers, you why don't the bus drivers, you know, off the get out of know, get off the get out of their cab confront the their cab and confront the people causing mayhem on people who are causing mayhem on the deck? say we the lower deck? and i'd say we don't to that. don't pay them to do that. we don't pay them to do that. we don't to danger money. don't pay them to danger money. we ask them to take risks we don't ask them to take risks with their lives, which it could be if they somebody be if they confront somebody who's armed with a knife. we give them , we give them contact, give them, we give them contact, we give them radio contact with the them touch the centre. we get them in touch with away. but with people straight away. but we challenge our we don't actually challenge our own employees to put their lives at risk. and we shouldn't. and we shouldn't be asking people to do now , this is slightly do that now, this is slightly different because expect

different because you do expect fire, um, of people working in the firemen, firemen , fire the firemen, firemen, fire people to try to be politically correct. what do they call firefighters? >> firefighters? >> firefighters? >> well , they're not fire flood >> well, they're not fire flood fighters will call them. you do expect flood fighters to sort of they will take certain risks as part of their a normal work. but but every attempt the what was up to his knees sorry the what was up to that firefighter knees. >> i'm not asking him to go wading neck deep . wading neck deep. >> yeah. no, no i accept that. and maybe they should have done. but they did know there was a special team on the way that had the equipment. >> it was going to take about an houn had >> it was going to take about an hour. had some idea how hour. they had some idea of how it going and presumably they it was going and presumably they might do might have been able to do something if the water had carried rising, which carried on rising, which apparently carried on rising, which appumltly carried on rising, which appum ,ly carried on rising, which appum , what do you think, kevin? >> um, what do you think, kevin? >> um, what do you think, kevin? >> is the answer. >> so basically is the answer. pay might pay them more and people might risk little bit more. >> i, i don't want to burst this balloon, michel, but my view of this is we're in danger of this story is we're in danger of whatever it looks like the whatever it looks like with the footage you've described. >> actually . see, um, the crews

>> actually. see, um, the crews there found the cars. the article said in the mail, stuck in over 1.2m of flood water. they requested additional support. the driver got out of the car themselves, says the emergency services. and i'll always listen first to the emergency services , not a emergency services, not a filmmaker who was passing by or the daily mail. >> yes , they did say that. but >> yes, they did say that. but as just shown you the as i've just shown you on the footage, actually happened footage, what actually happened was, according people, was, according to the people, that there, the electrics that was there, the electrics had in the car. so this had failed in the car. so this fella apparently couldn't get himself out, but they had to double. there's some. i am a double. there's some. i am not a mechanic, there's something mechanic, but there's something that on a that that you can do on a car that that you can do on a car that that if you it twice or that if you do it twice or something, overrides lock something, it overrides the lock and allows you to open the and it allows you to open the door outside so then and it allows you to open the doo rescuer, outside so then and it allows you to open the doo rescuer, they tside so then and it allows you to open the doo rescuer, they go,e so then and it allows you to open the doo rescuer, they go, look, then and it allows you to open the doo rescuer, they go, look, you1 the rescuer, they go, look, you can there. he opens the can see him there. he opens the door like so. the guy that's a member the public, he member of the public, he does that. overrides the locking that. he overrides the locking system. i really don't know what i'm it comes i'm talking about. when it comes to and then he to car mechanics. and then he helped guy out. yes, helped the guy out. so yes, physically, what fire physically, what the fire bngade physically, what the fire brigade yes, you brigade is saying is, yes, you can member of the can see the member of the public, driver public, sorry, the driver got himself car , but only himself out of the car, but only on assistance from this member

of public. of the public. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> look, i think i'd like to wait for a full report from the county fire services there because they were in attendance . because they were in attendance. and there's more to this than meets. >> so you can tell that you're a former local councillor. you see all these? let's wait for a pubuc all these? let's wait for a public inquiry. let's wait for a report. my eyes look at my glasses and everything. can glasses and everything. i can see just going on. thanks, michelle. >> emma wm- >> um, what do you make to it? >> um, what do you make to it? >> and safety gone >> has health and safety gone mad, fair? actually mad, or is it all fair? actually protecting services? protecting emergency services? and that notion that and what about that notion that if pay people more, they if we pay people more, they might be willing, to might be willing, perhaps, to take do you take more risks? where do you stand ? let's talk, shall stand on that? let's talk, shall we? we just mentioned driving instructor think instructor there. do you think when the age of 65, when you get to the age of 65, whoever we are, we should have to retake driving test? yes to retake our driving test? yes or i'll see you in two.

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven. former labour councillor kevin craig and conservative peer lord

daniel moylan alongside me. let's cut to the chase. do you think that you should have to retake your driving test once you hit 65 years of age? i mean, i've got to say right now there's no mandatory testing or health screens or anything like that. once you pass at 17 or whenever you do, quite frankly, then i think then you are aware. i think you have renew your licence. so have to renew your licence. so every years, you turn every three years, once you turn 70, certain situations , i can 70, in certain situations, i can tell you now, right? lots of people are getting in touch on twitter and places like that and saying me, a joke. saying to me, this is a joke. they to increase the they want to increase the pension then all of a pension age, and then all of a sudden using 65 sudden they're using 65 potentially as yardstick for potentially as a yardstick for a sign of kwarteng old age to start testing . what do you think start testing. what do you think to these potential conversations about monetary retest thing? >> well, i don't think this is coming from the government. i think this is coming from a couple of people who seem to have started a petition, but they've offered no evidence whatsoever um, that whatsoever for that, um, that people over 65 are, um, causing more accidents or leading to more accidents or leading to more injuries or deaths. so i

don't know what it is that's, you know, driving them. i, i am quite open to being i'm quite open to being evidence based about this. perfectly frank. if you if you come to me and you say there's evidence here that there's a particular group of people who unsafe on the people who are unsafe on the road generally, and maybe they should asked to their should be asked to take their test an eye test at test again, or an eye test at least, or make they're not least, or make sure they're not colour whatever else colour blind or whatever else it might then would say, might be. then i would say, yeah, there's evidence there yeah, if there's evidence there to show it, but i don't. that doesn't that that to show it, but i don't. that does automatically that that to show it, but i don't. that does automatically that'sthat to show it, but i don't. that does automatically that's the says automatically that's the elderly doing that. that might be cohort, be be a younger cohort, it might be different types people. who different types of people. who knows. come forward and knows. and you come forward and you the evidence you say, there's the evidence we should say, yeah, should do it. i say, yeah, safety road matters. a safety on the road matters. a driving licence not an driving licence is not an absolute entitlement. you you should to it if should be entitled to it if you're, you know, pass a test and you've got certain competencies and so on, you shouldn't. if you lose your sight, wouldn't expect you to sight, we wouldn't expect you to carry driving carry on having a driving licence. so i'd say, yeah, licence. um, so i'd say, yeah, but isn't based on any but this isn't based on any evidence at all. as far i can evidence at all. as far as i can see that older people are more dangerous than anybody else.

>> saying it's >> many people are saying it's the should have the young that should have to retake licence . retake their driving licence. what about 25 year olds? um, suggested that is the age suggested that is the age suggested by people getting in touch with me. where are you on it, kevin? well, i think i was just about to make that point, michelle, statistically, just about to make that point, micithe,, statistically, just about to make that point, micithe,, moreistically, just about to make that point, micithe,, more dangerous the, the, the more dangerous driving is newly driving cohort is the newly qualified in the first five or so years, particularly young men. >> but i think like daniel said, the common sense , i would say the common sense, i would say british answer is it can only be a good thing to get checked again at 65. you get older, your eyes do get worse. your reactions slow down. um it hopefully shouldn't . if there is hopefully shouldn't. if there is evidence , i would hope it's not evidence, i would hope it's not something that people get too irate about. >> that's also something i imagine that's quite hard to be honest with yourself about . so honest with yourself about. so when we're saying that you get older and things slow down and you might cognitive decline you might have cognitive decline or reactionary , uh, time wise or reactionary, uh, time wise decline, i think admitting that to yourself , i decline, i think admitting that to yourself, i imagine in some cases you don't want to admit that.

>> absolutely, absolutely . >> absolutely, absolutely. >> absolutely, absolutely. >> i think you make a very good point. but i think, as daniel said, we're all all of us, you know, want safer roads. you know, want safer roads. you know, there has been some good progress, in some progress, actually, in some areas. think if there's areas. i think if there's evidence for it, you know, most people will sign up for it. >> do you think, um, i find it fascinating what we're doing with car drivers at the moment, because you'll all be familiar with the fact that you've 20 with the fact that you've got 20 mile zones up mile an hour zones popping up all the place . now you've all over the place. now you've got spaces. was got all these ulez spaces. i was on motorway the weekend on the motorway at the weekend and to reduce speed to and i had to reduce my speed to 60 pollution reasons, 60 for air pollution reasons, and thought sheffield. no, i and i thought sheffield. no, i was on the m4 all right. and i thought, well, i've done it down there as well. well you're a transport man. what, what is the point in us? i mean, it was for such a short period of time, i know, and i thought, well, what in the grand scheme of life near heathrow. >> yeah. heathrow ulez. yeah, they've it on the near heathrow. >> but what is that achieving in such because it such a short space? because it was short distance, was a really short distance, almost nothing. >> and the really funny thing

is, driving an is, if you're driving an electric it has electric vehicle, it has no emissions. applies to emissions. it still applies to you. emissions. it still applies to youso is interesting. >> so that is interesting. >> so that is interesting. >> you're still >> so that is interesting. >> you're you're still >> so that is interesting. >> you're yotoe still >> so that is interesting. >> you're yo to go :ill >> so that is interesting. >> you're yoto go at 60 told you're going to go at 60 miles hour. um, why you miles an hour. um, why you should be going at 80 or 90 or whatever, know. no 70. whatever, i don't know. no 70. >> daniel i think the speed limit 70 point view. limit 70 point of view. >> not making >> you are not making a difference . difference. >> you see, i find that fascinating because i do think there's this strange agenda going and think he makes going on, and i think he makes a really point. there why, if really good point. there why, if you are in an emission free car, are you to abide by are you having to abide by emission zones , speed limits? emission zones, speed limits? >> that is a good point, and i can see why people don't feel the to that. the logic to that. >> mean, there is, of course, >> i mean, there is, of course, a debate about pollution a bigger debate about pollution in and air quality, and you in um and air quality, and you know, the 20 mile an hour speed limits. i know, are hugely controversial to people, and they frustrate a lot of folks . they frustrate a lot of folks. you know, i love to cycle , but i you know, i love to cycle, but i also love to drive. i get it from from both sides. but the more that we can do to reduce road deaths and increase the quality of our air is a great thing. >> i mean, last time i checked,

i thought there was only one person who had, um, air pollution listed as a cause of death . death. >> i think there's more evidence than than that. but you know, that's one to come back to. >> what do you think twitter home anyway? listen, you're having none of it. uh, basically, when it comes to retesting people, really retesting older people, i really don't think anyone seems to be in of that at all. andy in favour of that at all. andy says. by the way, the dvla, they can't even the backlog of can't even clear the backlog of leonard never mind. leonard drivers. uh. never mind. how going all how are you going to get all this capacity suddenly this spare capacity to suddenly start randomly retesting anyone at whatever that potentially at whatever age that potentially could be? i think you make a very good point. that's, um, nofion very good point. that's, um, notion about extending our pension increasing our pension age, increasing our pension age, increasing our pension age. so what about that? if we want to make people work longer, then then we're longer, then surely then we're expecting in good longer, then surely then we're expecti|so in good longer, then surely then we're expecti|so why in good longer, then surely then we're expecti|so why on in good longer, then surely then we're expecti|so why on earth good longer, then surely then we're expecti|so why on earth would we health. so why on earth would we even so if that does even consider? so if that does get in parliament, one get debated in parliament, one would then perhaps would hope then perhaps it's going short debate. going to be a very short debate. um also as well, darren, he says, can you point out to all of your viewers it's international tug of war day ? international tug of war day? um, i got to confess, i did not

know such a thing existed . know such a thing existed. although it doesn't surprise me. there's an international day for absolutely everything these days, he says if days, isn't there? um he says if anything little bit too anything gets a little bit too hot to handle on your program, maybe of settling maybe that is a way of settling the debate. >> have you brought >> well, kevin, have you brought the well the rope for kevin and me? well i could put something i think you could put something like that on pay per view. >> daniel, at one end. kevin like that on pay per view. >>the daniel, at one end. kevin like that on pay per view. >>the daninice one end. kevin like that on pay per view. >>the dani nice bite end. kevin like that on pay per view. >>the dani nice bit ofend. kevin like that on pay per view. >>the dani nice bit of fat kevin at the other. nice bit of fat rope in between them. i think people would actually pay to watch that. would you? are you one anyway? one of those people anyway? look, all we've got time look, that's all we've got time for. interesting for. lots of interesting discussion. come up discussion. points have come up out labour policies. out of this labour policies. perhaps we'll those perhaps we'll get into those happy day. happy to one for another day. citizen assembly. i've got to say there is not much love for those kind of things . uh, in my those kind of things. uh, in my inbox tonight. as inbox tonight. and as i mentioned, people in ireland getting as well, saying mentioned, people in ireland gettithey as well, saying mentioned, people in ireland gettithey don't as well, saying mentioned, people in ireland gettithey don't like well, saying mentioned, people in ireland gettithey don't like themsaying mentioned, people in ireland gettithey don't like them andig mentioned, people in ireland gettithey don't like them and of that they don't like them and of course are active there. course they are active there. not a lot of love that that was a tongue twister. not lot of a tongue twister. not a lot of love smartphones school love for smartphones in school as look daniel as as well. but look daniel as well, you for company well, thank you for your company . home to nigel . thank you at home to nigel farage is up next. i'll see you tomorrow night . tomorrow night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt

solar sponsors of weather on . gb solar sponsors of weather on. gb news. hello >> very good evening to you. i'm alex burkill . here's your latest alex burkill. here's your latest gb news weather update. there will be a spell of wet and windy weather for many of us tomorrow, but that, we do a but before that, we do have a relatively quiet night ahead. that's have high that's because we have high pressure to south of us, pressure to the south of us, which keeping our weather pressure to the south of us, which settled.g our weather pressure to the south of us, which settled. that weather pressure to the south of us, which settled. that beingier largely settled. that being said, a weak front is pushing its way eastwards across scotland evening , its way eastwards across scotland evening, bringing scotland this evening, bringing some some some thick cloud and some outbreaks of rain for time. outbreaks of rain for a time. then, through much the night. then, through much of the night. for it is going to be for many of us it is going to be largely perhaps some largely dry. perhaps some thickening in the west thickening cloud in the west will bring few outbreaks of will bring a few outbreaks of drizzly rain here, watch out drizzly rain here, and watch out for and fog patches. for some mist and fog patches. two be a touch fresher two it may be a touch fresher than some recent nights, particularly in the where particularly in the east, where we may some clearer skies, we may get some clearer skies, temperatures perhaps dropping to low staying low single figures but staying above freezing . however, we above freezing. however, as we go tuesday , a wet go through tuesday, a wet morning scotland morning across parts of scotland and northern ireland as a band of pushes its way in, that

of rain pushes its way in, that is going slip further is then going to slip further south eastwards into england is then going to slip further soutwales eastwards into england is then going to slip further soutwales as;twards into england is then going to slip further soutwales as we|rds into england is then going to slip further soutwales as we head|to england is then going to slip further soutwales as we head|to e|the nd and wales as we head into the afternoon, though, across the southeast likely to southeast here it's likely to stay during the stay dry at least during the daytime and mild again. highs of around 14 or 15 celsius. some showers pushing in behind that front later on tuesday, but it's on wednesday where we get the heavy rain likely to be pretty persist tonight and could cause some localised problems , some localised problems, especially in the southwest where have a warning as where we do have a warning as some travel disruption and some localised flooding quite localised flooding is quite likely that rain does clear through go into thursday. through as we go into thursday. but more unsettled weather to come go through end of come as we go through the end of the weekend. the week and into the weekend. with temperatures close with temperatures dropping close to time year, to normal for the time of year, looks like things are heating up. >> boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on .

gb news, a think tank , produces a report a think tank, produces a report saying that he three quarters of a million migrants are no longer working and costing us, the taxpayer, over £5 billion every single year . single year. >> have the arguments for mass migration in terms of economics just been holed below the waterline? plus i will give you the latest on the de—banking crisis with natwest and ask the question , is it really the place question, is it really the place of the secretary of state for education to tell heads of schools what their mobile phone policy should be, or would it be better to leave them to get on with it themselves? is the nanny state just incapable of leaving people alone ? but before all of people alone? but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gp newsroom tonight. is that a man who

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