also as well. are we failing british farmers.7 rishi sunak today became the first prime minister in 15 years to address the national farmers union. he's trying to convince them that he has their back . trying to convince them that he has their back. has he trying to convince them that he has their back . has he convinced has their back. has he convinced you and how passionate are you about buying british produce? do we do enough to support our farmers ? also tonight, it's been farmers? also tonight, it's been suggested that courts need to start operating 24 over seven to clear the case backlog. would you agree with that also as well? why keep it restricted just to cause that's what i want to know. also as well, the foreign secretary , david foreign secretary, david cameron, he has left the falklands today after what was the first visit by a foreign secretary since 1994. you tell me , was this a much needed trip me, was this a much needed trip or . not? yes,

me, was this a much needed trip or. not? yes, indeed. i want to get stuck into all of that. and of course, speaking about israel, gaza labour party have now got a new line on that. apparently they're calling for what call an immediate what they call an immediate ceasefire. make ceasefire. does any of this make a of difference? we'll get a jot of difference? we'll get into of and more. but into all of that and more. but before do, let's cross live before we do, let's cross live for tonight's latest news headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well the breaking news tonight is that the chief inspector of borders and immigration been sacked and immigration has been sacked after found to have after he was found to have breached of breached the terms of his appointment lost the appointment and lost the confidence of james cleverly, the secretary , david neal, the home secretary, david neal, said he'd received home office data showing that the uk border force had failed to check the occupants hundreds of private occupants of hundreds of private jets arriving at london city airport, but the home office disputed those claims, with the minister for legal immigration, tom pursglove , insisting that tom pursglove, insisting that checks are performed on all scheduled passengers . he said it scheduled passengers. he said it was deeply disturbing that the

independent chief inspector leaked what he described as false information given to a newspaper after reports were published by the daily mail . the published by the daily mail. the home office says it is investigating the breach. we'll have more information on that, of course, as it comes to us. meanwhile, in other news today, a body has been recovered from the river thames, which police detective strongly believe is that of chemical attack suspect abdul ezedi. earlier, police said they believed ezedi had gone into the river at chelsea bridge . that was based on cctv bridge. that was based on cctv evidence. the body was recovered by the metropolitan police's marine unit at around 4:00 yesterday afternoon , after a yesterday afternoon, after a report from the crew of a passing boat, his former partner, who was attacked alongside her two daughters, remains in hospital but is no longer under sedation . met longer under sedation. met police commander john saville says a formal identification will take time because of the amount of time that the body has beenin amount of time that the body has been in the water, it's not been

obvious to do an easy visual identification or indeed get immediate fingerprints. >> however, with the very distinctive clothing that was being worn and the property that we found on the body, we are able to strongly believe that this is abdul ezedi . this is abdul ezedi. >> now, the sentence of a man who killed three people in nottingham may have been unduly lenient , and nottingham may have been unduly lenient, and it's now going to be reviewed by judges. faldo calocane killed students barnaby weber and grace o'malley kumar , weber and grace o'malley kumar, as well as school caretaker ian coates in june last year. as well as school caretaker ian coates in june last year . their coates in june last year. their families welcomed today's announcement by the attorney general , saying they're hopeful general, saying they're hopeful for an outcome that will provide some of the appropriate justice they've been calling for . as they've been calling for. as you've been hearing , prince you've been hearing, prince william says fighting in the middle east between israel and hamas must end as soon as possible , adding there's possible, adding there's a desperate need for increased

humanitarian support for gaza. the prince of wales has said he's deeply concerned about the terrible human cost of the conflict , with too many lives conflict, with too many lives lost , it follows lord cameron's lost, it follows lord cameron's warning to israel that the fighting needs to stop, and labour has also called for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire. in a major shift in the party's stance on the war, shadow foreign secretary david lammy says the world wants the fighting to stop the rafah attack cannot go ahead. >> we are following our five eyes partners australia, new zealand and canada, who a few days ago made it clear that there has to be an immediate humanitarian ceasefire. we are mirroring that language and indeed the language now of the united nations . everyone wants united nations. everyone wants the fighting to stop . the fighting to stop. >> david lammy now police in leicester are searching for a missing two year old boy, say they believe cctv footage shows they believe cctv footage shows the moment he fell into a river.

the child was with his family on sunday at the aylestone meadows local nature reserve when he fell into the river soar. it's understood the little boy's father went into the river to try to rescue him, but was unable to find him. police say they're grateful for the local community's help . birmingham community's help. birmingham city council says it needs a bailout worth £1.25 billion, as it looks to recover from effective bankrupt city. council leaders say a combination of austerity and underfunding has hit the city hard . they're hit the city hard. they're looking at selling assets to cover some of the expenses, but residents are also facing cuts across essential services, including those in adult social care , highway maintenance and care, highway maintenance and assisted transport, dimming streetlights is expected to save around £900,000 annually, while cutting refuse collections to every two weeks could claw back £4 million every year. and

finally, the body shop will shut nearly half of its 198 uk shops today after falling into administration . it's understood administration. it's understood around 270 head office jobs will also be cut in moves that administrators say will renee buys the brand. the body shop employs around 2200 people across the uk today. that's the news for the very latest on news stories. do sign up for gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen right now or go to gb news. common alerts . thanks very news. common alerts. thanks very much for that, paul. >> i've got to say a very sad news there for anyone employed and affected by the body shop, that was a pretty much an institution, wasn't it? now, institution, wasn't it? for now, for years. but i've also for so many years. but i've also got to say it was the bane of my life when i was at school. so it was because, of course, my surname dewberry what

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you at home well. what's you guys at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get us all. the get in touch with us all. the usual ways. gb views at gb news. com or you tweet x me com or you can tweet an x me @gbnews now. something that's very much got you guys talking tonight. very much got you guys talking tor said twitter x asking this on said twitter x asking this question because prince of wales william issued william of course has issued a statement he's calling statement today. he's calling for an end to the fighting in gaza as possible. i have gaza as soon as possible. i have to say there's been a huge reaction in response to this. many people actually saying that he should never have got involved. remain involved. he should remain politically as i politically neutral. so as i said, i've got a poll running on twitter x now i've retweeted twitter and x now i've retweeted it so you can see it on michelle dewberry on thread. get dewberry on my thread. get involved whether or involved and tell me whether or not think he should have not you think he should have issued this statement. but i shall to i say cross. i'm shall cross to i say cross. i'm literally sitting next to you. i shall turn to our royal correspondent cameron correspondent now, cameron walker . first correspondent now, cameron walker. first and foremost. how unprecedented is it for a senior royal to issue a statement like this? >> incredibly rare and it's >> it's incredibly rare and it's incredibly prince incredibly bold of prince william i'm getting william to do so. i'm getting the from a statement he the sense from a statement he released he's trying his

released today. he's trying his hardest neutral as hardest to be as neutral as possible. so as you in your possible. so as you said in your introduction, michelle, he said he calling for the fighting he is calling for the fighting in the israeli hamas war to end as as possible. but he also as soon as possible. but he also is the hostages to is calling for the hostages to be as well. but it's be released as well. but it's for . i that's for timing. i think that's significant because there's significant here because there's fears escalation in fears about an escalation in violence . um, israeli forces violence. um, as israeli forces enter rafah or attempt to enter rafah, there's an snp led gaza ceasefire motion tomorrow in the house of commons. and it all sounds very political, doesn't it? something which some gb news viewers really been viewers have really been voicing, voicing their concerns oven voicing, voicing their concerns over, , some context here. over, um, some context here. prince william, of course , is prince william, of course, is the future king. we live in a constitutional monarchy . he has constitutional monarchy. he has to be politically neutral. but this afternoon, michelle, the government's come and government's come out and actually prince actually supported prince william with this william for coming out with this statement. street statement. a downing street street says his street spokesperson says his message is consistent with the government's position. and we welcome that intervention. it is important we speak with one voice as a nation. i'm also told that the foreign office was fully briefed on that statement,

and people are saying, but and many people are saying, but his of course, the his grandma, of course, the queen, the queen, she queen, the former queen, she would never have done something like this. >> you agree with that? >> would you agree with that? >> would you agree with that? >> you're probably >> yeah, i think you're probably right. william became right. and prince william became the first senior to visit the first senior royal to visit israel the occupied west israel and the occupied west bank 2018. i'm told by bank back in 2018. i'm told by his he's his spokesperson that he's really abreast what's really kept abreast of what's been ever since then. been going on ever since then. prince charles, then prince charles, now king, of course, followed his son in 2020. so, um , there is some, um , precedent , there is some, um, precedent for this. but as you say , i for this. but as you say, i think we're really seeing a clear difference here between queen elizabeth the second and what the future king is doing. >> and lastly , many people, >> and lastly, many people, because i've really been looking at a lot of response to this. many people are saying, well, i've gone a second. why didn't he, um, release a statement immediately october 7? immediately after october 7? yeah. he did issue something, didn't he? he did. >> so his spokesperson released a even stronger statement calling for war, saying that israel is exercising its rights to self—defence and calling out the horrors inflicted by hamas

terrorist attack. and that's what the quotes are. he didn't repeat the israeli is exercising its right to self—defence . in its right to self—defence. in the statements he released this afternoon . clearly, it's become afternoon. clearly, it's become afternoon. clearly, it's become a very polarising issue . um, but a very polarising issue. um, but he has clearly been following this. i'm also told, though, that this engagement was meant to happen a few weeks ago. but of course, the princess of wales has had abdominal surgery, so all prince william's, all his all prince william's, um, , engagements been um, uh, engagements have been rescheduled . so that's why it's rescheduled. so that's why it's come now. well i've got to say, cameron, i'm looking at my inbox now, and there is not a lot of appreciation for his intervention now. >> many people are >> i mean, so many people are saying this, and i told you, saying on this, and i told you, i've got a poll running, so get involved there too. but so many people he should have people are saying he should have stayed with it. it's stayed out with it. it's absolutely disgraceful, victor said. politics to do said. politics is nothing to do with had such great with you. we had such great hopes and you've hopes for you and you've collapsed. hopes in minutes. >> yeah, and i well, minutes. >> yeah, and i well , the >> yeah, and i think, well, the government clearly is pleased that prince william has so. that prince william has done so. and the sense that and i'm getting the sense that almost him a bit of an almost using him is a bit of an asset here, like the power of

soft diplomacy. i'm not actually sure or not that's a sure whether or not that's a good thing. >> the government, if you're >> if the government, if you're supposed to be politically neutral government of neutral and the government of the coming out and the day is coming out and virtually fiving to virtually high fiving you to some not really sure some effect, i'm not really sure that position it needs to that is the position it needs to be in. and also, what is what difference is it actually going to the ground in gaza to make on the ground in gaza and israel? >> i think we'll have to >> and i think we'll have to wait and what the power of wait and see what the power of prince william's will have prince william's words will have in lands. in foreign lands. >> indeed. for now, >> yeah, indeed. well, for now, thank very cameron thank you very much. cameron walker. haven't seen walker. and if you haven't seen that full, i'll try that statement in full, i'll try and pop up on the screen and pop it back up on the screen so you can have read of so you can have another read of it. basically he's saying, it. but basically he's saying, as just been mentioning, as we've just been mentioning, that wants see an end to that he wants to see an end to the fighting as soon as possible. all desperate need for increased support possible. all desperate need for in

yes, making making yes, the making making the statement think live statement i think he will live to regret with due respect to to regret it with due respect to the prince and indeed to the government, there is a difference their roles, difference between their roles, the government and the government of the day and indeed the opposition of the day. hear about what day. and we'll hear about what labour doing to are entitled labour is doing to are entitled to positions to nay bound to take positions on our and on things. but our monarch and our monarch be is different, our monarch to be is different, and with due respect to politicians, politicians are here tomorrow. here today, gone tomorrow. if the survive, it the monarchy is to survive, it needs its neutrality needs to maintain its neutrality on perspectives. it on such perspectives. it is fortunate sides when i fortunate for both sides when i say besides, i mean westminster and the palace, that they happen to the same position to be in the same position today, set today, but they've set themselves a position themselves up into a position now one day they might not now where one day they might not be. it not be about be. well, it may not be about israel, it may be about another position, may be about another debate. taking debate. once you start taking positions, to positions, there is no end to it. people will expect you to take a stance, a moral stance on everything. and once you start doing in the end doing that, you will in the end wind doing something with wind up doing something with which the day which the government of the day at with at westminster disagrees with you. the you. and that's that's the height of foolishness. and it's not good for monarchy. not good for the monarchy. >> i disagree with that. >> prince william, future king, has a constitutional not

has a constitutional role not just government, but just in our government, but actually and actually overseas realms and territories as well. i think territories as well. and i think actually, when you look his actually, when you look at his statement and you've made that available, which is great, and you read it, it is absolutely proportionate moderate and proportionate and moderate and thinking about the motion that's coming before the house of commons, obviously amended by the labour opposition, it's clear the way the wind is blowing on this, which is essentially call to cease. essentially a call to cease. what is a humanitarian disaster unfolding in the gaza strip for international community and the arab states to come together to find not just a short time solution, but a long terme, one, and therefore i don't feel like the monarch is taking sides . the monarch is taking sides. what he's trying to do, i think, is reflect what is probably the majority public mood in this country. and the public mood in the countries where he's also the countries where he's also the prince of wales . the prince of wales. >> so let me grab the 5% of that. agree with. in the that. i agree with. in the spirit building bridges, uh, spirit of building bridges, uh, the is blowing that the way the wind is blowing that bits. right. but it's not the job the monarchy to blow with

job of the monarchy to blow with the job of the wind. it's not the job of the wind. it's not the job of the monarchy to seize the currently popular or political line with which line of the day with which everyone uk environment everyone in the uk environment happens at the moment to agree this to be our one this is going to be our king one day. what are the people in israel supposed to think and from not our ally by the way, one of the people in israel specifically when he comes to the having the throne at a time when having exhausted other options , exhausted all other options, having negotiate, having sought to negotiate, having sought to negotiate, having sought to use surgical strikes, having to do all strikes, having sought to do all they to the hostages they can to have the hostages returned to them, having been seized under most brutal returned to them, having been seizebander most brutal returned to them, having been seizeby hamas most brutal returned to them, having been seizeby hamas , most brutal returned to them, having been seizeby hamas , they,t brutal returned to them, having been seizeby hamas , they, having acts by hamas, they, having exhausted those options, wishing now to go and seek to rescue their own civilians, their own hostages, effectively, given hostages, and effectively, given the here, the prince of the timing here, the prince of wales, our future king, is saying wrong. saying you're wrong. >> alex where i agree with >> tom. alex where i agree with you the motion that's before you and the motion that's before the as the house of commons, as amended, says israel cannot be expected cease fighting if expected to cease fighting if hamas, terrorist hamas, which is a terrorist organisation, continues with violence israelis violence and that the israelis have to the assurance have the right to the assurance that of 7th of that the horror of 7th of october cannot happen again. >> course , there's two sides >> of course, there's two sides in this conflict. is

in this conflict. one is a democratic government israel, one proscribed terrorist one is a proscribed terrorist organisation , one, the hostages , organisation, one, the hostages, over 130 of them do need to be released . but i don't think it's released. but i don't think it's stepping over the line of partisanship or impartiality for our future king to reflect a mood, which i think is increasingly there in the public. but let me put this to you, tom, because there were an awful lot of conflicts going on in this world. >> there are an awful lot of children currently being killed, whether it's in civil wars or broader whatever. so don't broader wars, whatever. so don't you a little bit concerned you feel a little bit concerned that prince william is perhaps . that prince william is perhaps. i mean, i'm trying not to be crass with my language, but essentially cherry picking this conflict , this devastation , this conflict, this devastation, this civilian death over all the other ones occurring in the world right now. well i think the no, i don't think that actually, i think he is making a proportionate statement at a time of great humanitarian crisis for the world. >> and you know, that's something of course, he's he gets from his mother to a large

extent. but even on the point about the late queen, i mean, she did in intervene in places like south africa with the commonwealth. obviously, the scottish referee . um, it is not scottish referee. um, it is not unprecedented for a monarch to make their feelings known at a time of national crisis . yes. time of national crisis. yes. >> you know, i, um again, i don't want to trivialise the royals and their role and all the rest of it, but i think back and i thought back to wembley stadium, you'll be familiar with the they to, uh, the fact that they used to, uh, illuminate their arch all the time. the ukraine, this time. so the ukraine, this conflict, that conflict. well as soon this conflict came along soon as this conflict came along , they realised that , they then realised that actually very actually this was very complicated was, um, complicated and it was, um, creating very strong feelings either side . and then they either side. and then they decided not to illuminate their arch. and i think that taught them strong lesson. them quite a strong lesson. think carefully before you think very carefully before you make, uh, statements and positioning and all the rest of it on conflicts, etc, when that's not really your modus operandi. look i want to talk politics because we just alluded to there is situation to it. then there is a situation in the house of commons,

in in the house of commons, isn't tomorrow where isn't there tomorrow where there's be vote there's going to be a vote potentially snp potentially on the snp amendment. it's all about whether there should be whether or not there should be immediate or labour. immediate ceasefire or labour. of course it's going to be very interesting what happens there. some people saying keir starmer perhaps a strong perhaps will face a very strong rebellion. well, how does he try and head that off. would just be mentioning a new amendment text has been proposed by labour. let's have a little listen let's just have a little listen to david justifying some to david lammy justifying some of these changes. >> keir starmer and i have been calling for weeks for the fighting stop, calling for weeks for the fighting stop , for aid, to fighting to stop, for aid, to get in the situation has evolved and on the ground it is intolerable and the raf attack cannot go ahead. we are following our five eyes partners on to new zealand and canada , on to new zealand and canada, who a few days ago made it clear that there has to be an immediate humanitarian ceasefire i >> -- >> now, i've got to say, labour have been criticised quite a bit and this has been a hugely

contentious issue for many supporters of the labour party. it's really the party as it's really divided the party as to they're doing. uh, are to what they're doing. uh, are they calling for an immediate ceasefire? flip ceasefire? are they not the flip flops around on a fair bit, flops around on it a fair bit, as you've just been hearing there, they now emulating the five essentially five eyes position, essentially saying immediate ceasefire. how do you think this is going to play do you think this is going to play perhaps and play out tomorrow? perhaps and also the labour also broadly for the labour party? on view it's smart >> well, on one view it's smart politics from starmer. this was the first real bump in the road he'd hit for some time. polls have reflected he's doing well in general perspectives. but he of course lost ten members of his is broader team who said they couldn't put up with his less than wholly critical view of israel hitherto. so in immediate political terms , it immediate political terms, it will help him within the labour party. but you've got to ask, is that the right thing to priority? these is your own internal party dialectic, the right thing to prioritise, and it's can hide behind it's clear you can hide behind it's clear you can hide behind it eyes position. it being a five eyes position. all like. this is internal all you like. this is internal labour politics. and mean, i'm labour politics. and i mean, i'm not embarrassed, you're labour politics. and i mean, i'm n

bit more about it than i do, but it seems to me this is not being dictated what's happening on dictated by what's happening on the this is the ground in gaza. this is what's on the ground what's happening on the ground in british politics and starmer's his starmer's desire to keep his party starmer's desire to keep his parthom jurek well, i think >> thom jurek well, i think internal politics always to some extent in these kind of extent features in these kind of motions. but what's been actually you read actually put down when you read the one sided the text is not a one sided motion. it calls , of course, for motion. it calls, of course, for a ceasefire, for humanitarian aid to be allowed into rafah and other parts of gaza, where there's absolutely no functioning health care service , functioning health care service, any kind of services available to the civilian population . but to the civilian population. but importantly, and this is what i support , it makes it clear that support, it makes it clear that israel has the right to receive those hostages back and that, you know, we should not allow now the current mood to get in the way of the fact that what happened on the 7th of october was an absolute barbarian act by a proscribed terrorist organisation that beheaded babies and raped women at a music festival. so it's right, i think that there is a motion

thatis think that there is a motion that is seeking now to unite the whole of the house of commons, and it'd be interesting actually, alex, whether you, you know, you would support this, do you think the government should support this motion? >> i wouldn't least two >> i wouldn't for at least two reasons. is that reasons. the first is that i disagree with them about calling for a ceasefire, which people only a ceasefire is only ever think a ceasefire is going of a going to affect one side of a conflict. hamas will never give you ceasefire. fact, you a ceasefire. in fact, they've made it very clear they won't israel doesn't won't rest until israel doesn't exist the idea of exist any longer. so the idea of calling a ceasefire, which calling for a ceasefire, which only one side's hands are bound, is ridiculous. you're just going to give the most generous interpretation. hamas, a chance to rearm. at the to redeploy and rearm. at the worst interpretation, you give to redeploy and rearm. at the worst more)retation, you give to redeploy and rearm. at the worst more timeion, you give to redeploy and rearm. at the worst more time to , you give to redeploy and rearm. at the worst more time to hang give to redeploy and rearm. at the worst more time to hang one them more time to hang on hostages, time to seek to hostages, more time to seek to get, resupply from iran and get, um, resupply from iran and their and take the their friends and then take the attack israel and, um, attack back to israel and, um, and visit more horror upon them. israel has asked to back down and back away when it's defending itself, and it's the only country in the world where, having had this kind of thing done to them, is asked not to defend itself robustly and seek to get its citizens back. so i wouldn't vote with the labour

position for that reason. not least, way. i also least, by the way. i do also note that they are a political and be elected, neither which and be elected, neither of which prince at least give prince william is at least give labour credit that. labour credit for that. the second is second reason i wouldn't is claiming that statehood is the inalienable right of the palestine people. at the end of this statement, another position that because they're talking about the two state solution, another position that hamas doesn't because doesn't subscribe to because they israel should they don't think israel should exist, want to wipe israel exist, they want to wipe israel off map. off the map. >> i'm assuming you support >> but i'm assuming you support the solution. the two state solution. >> i, as i do it happens. >> i, as i do as it happens. >> that's the only long time >> so that's the only long time peaceful settlement in the region, isn't it? >> it isn't. are there >> no it isn't. there are there are several things can are several things that can happen, least that 20% happen, not least given that 20% of population are arab of israel's population are arab and the quality of and have the best quality of life of royalty life outside of arabian royalty and the middle and of anyone in the middle east. the reason i say east. but the reason that i say no that they are claiming no is that they are claiming here that, in effect, with this, the idea of a ceasefire between two is that hamas is a two parties is that hamas is a legitimate hamas is legitimate player, that hamas is someone plain dealer someone who, with a plain dealer who abide by ceasefire who will abide by a ceasefire clue. they won't. and moreover, that they should then a that they should then be given a state. there has not been an

election gaza in 17 years. election in gaza in 17 years. their effective representative group, is poised group, hamas, is poised to do nothing but wipe out israel. so the should hand the idea that you should hand statehood to those people for me is the birds. is for the birds. >> but you well, you've got a million and a half people crowded that area near crowded into that tiny area near rafah. potential rafah. there's a potential offensive planned by the offensive being planned by the idf. called for idf. what's being called for here those here is a pause in those hostilities so that humanitarian relief can get across the egyptian border and via the mediterranean into that part of gaza. mediterranean into that part of gaza . why wouldn't you agree gaza. why wouldn't you agree that that's something that is needed? i've explained . needed? i've explained. >> i've explained already israel shouldn't be asked to give up when succeeding its when it's succeeding in its objectives and when it's seeking to crush which an an to crush hamas, which is an an objective should agree with objective we should agree with as a proscribed terrorist organisation its organisation and to get its citizens back . and no other citizens back. and no other country the will be country in the world will be asked to take its foot off the accelerator it's trying to accelerator when it's trying to do well do you do those things. well do you know what? >> a very emotive topic >> this is a very emotive topic for many people, isn't it? very very strong opinions on all different as well. different sides also as well. what you think this, um, what do you think this, um, parliamentary debate will

actually think actually achieve? do you think the or wherever the leaders of hamas or wherever sitting there paying attention to outcomes these to the outcomes of these debates, do you think it will influence their next steps? do you it'll make any you think it'll make any difference all, apart difference at all, apart from perhaps domestically, politically , for future of politically, for the future of people here anyway, notwithstanding any of that , notwithstanding any of that, tell me your thoughts on it all. a reminder i've got that poll running about prince william's intervention well where intervention as well on where you it the break, you stand on it after the break, i'll bring you into that conversation, some of your responses. but i also to responses. but i also want to talk farming. rishi sunak, talk about farming. rishi sunak, uh, the national uh, addressing the national farmers today, says uh, addressing the national farm got today, says uh, addressing the national farm got the today, says uh, addressing the national farm got the backsay, says uh, addressing the national farm got the backs of says uh, addressing the national farm got the backs of british; he's got the backs of british farmers. has he? you tell me.

radio. hello there. >> michelle dewberry till 7:00 alongside me, alex dean and tom buick remain that poll that's running about prince william's intervention on the israel—gaza currently 84% of you are saying that prince william was wrong to issue that statement , that he

issue that statement, that he should remain politically neutral . but john says we live neutral. but john says we live in a democracy and we have so—called free michel so—called free speech. michel surely extend to the surely that should extend to the prince and beyond. and he says, how could anyone at all be criticised for wanting an end to the fighting in gaza ? um, the fighting in gaza? um, elizabeth says i have no problem with wales making with the prince of wales making this i'm happy to this statement. i'm happy to hear his views on and other hear his views on this and other subjects. be happy to subjects. would you be happy to hear his views if it was completely at odds with your own? would that perhaps, though, if be king, or when he if he was to be king, or when he is king, would that is to be king, would that distance support for the distance your support for the monarchy? elizabeth, get in touch tell me your thoughts touch and tell me your thoughts on of that. but anyway , on all of that. but anyway, let's farming, shall we? let's talk farming, shall we? because to rishi because according to rishi sunak, today he has their back. he speaking to the farmers. he is speaking to the farmers. he's the first pm actually to speak to the national farmers union about 15 years. after union in about 15 years. after gordon brown was the last one. anyway, let's have a little listen to some of the things that he had to say. >> walk the fields up and down in swaledale and wensleydale and enjoyed our high quality british

meat, which, let me tell you , we meat, which, let me tell you, we will continue to support people to eat. i visited upland farms, hill farms, arable and livestock farms . i even tried my hand at farms. i even tried my hand at milking once , not very milking once, not very successfully i must say . successfully i must say. >> the certain images i do not want in my mind rishi sunak grappling with a set of teats is among them. anyway, i know , among them. anyway, i know, sorry about it. thanks, michelle. anyway so he was basically saying to these farmers that he understands their concerns. let's be clear, alex. we've process from alex. we've seen process from farmers up and down the land. now a of different now on a variety of different things, whether it's bureaucracy, green, um, regulation issues. yeah, cheap grain from ukraine, etc. what did you make to him ? firstly, did you make to him? firstly, even been there. what was he doing there? >> i think it's right that >> oh, i think it's right that that minister speaks that our prime minister speaks to all different sectors. so i think it was good he think it was good that he was there. i think are three there. i think there are three issues the first is issues here. the first is universal the two are universal and the two are specific to the uk, the universal big universal one is that big conglomerates, supermarket universal one is that big congl0|and tes, supermarket universal one is that big congl0|and the supermarket universal one is that big congl0|and the b2brmarket universal one is that big congl0|and the b2b piecest universal one is that big congl0|and the b2b pieces that buyers and the b2b pieces that procure from um, from farmers have down. that's have forced prices down. that's not the uk , that's not just true in the uk, that's

true whole world. so true across the whole world. so that's a pressure that farmers are under. can recognise are under. and we can recognise that. but it is a universal issue too. the two specific to the uk. and two things can be true at once. the first is that it was always going to be the case that as we do, deals with friendly countries, the first ups that were always likely australia, canada and so forth, britain immensely from britain can gain immensely from those but our are those deals. but our farmers are going challenged by going to be challenged by competition with farmers in those much bigger, those markets with much bigger, um, bigger farms and um, with much bigger farms and so now, in the immediate so forth. now, in the immediate terms those people be terms, those people can be assisted the uk , but in the assisted in the uk, but in the longer tum they're to have longer tum they're going to have to live with that to learn to live with that competition, think, competition, not least i think, with assistance from british people agreeing to buy british more, something more, which is something hitherto not really hitherto we've not really succeeded in doing. but the last thing is also at the thing that is also true at the same time is that the european is an agricultural protectionist racket, friends across racket, and our friends across the channel don't have those same rules on free trade. when i said it, we're going to have to learn to compete with australian and canadian farmers. what i

meant was as long as they are not receiving state aid, which more less, broadly more or less, and broadly speaking, it's a speaking, they don't, it's a different story in the european union. farmers are union. and if our farmers are being squeezed the loss of being squeezed by the loss of european least to european subsidies, at least to help glide path to help them on a glide path to competition, going need help them on a glide path to co supportn, going need help them on a glide path to co support them going need help them on a glide path to co support them before g need help them on a glide path to co support them before i need help them on a glide path to co support them before i bringed to support them before i bring tom in, i just want to go back to that point. to that first point. >> when asked you what we was >> when i asked you what we was doing you said, oh, well, doing there, you said, oh, well, it's to basically to it's great to basically talk to all people, but this all different people, but this is time a prime is the first time a prime minister has addressed this conference years. conference for about 15 years. as i i think the last time as i said, i think the last time was 2008. gordon brown, he was there. let's be absolutely clear, because was clear, alex, because there was a recent showed that recent poll that showed that within communities, within rural communities, farming the farming communities, etc, the tories get tories are going to get a kicking. well, you can't really win, can you? >> because one hand >> because if on the one hand you don't go, people say you continue to ignore the community and on other hand, if you do and on the other hand, if you do 90, and on the other hand, if you do go, you're only go, people say you're only responding to the fact that polling so well, polling said this so well, what's he supposed to do? >> where are you on >> tom, where are you on it? >> tom, where are you on it? >> i think you've >> well, i mean, i think you've hit the nail on the head in terms you this terms of, you know, this government realising the political the political ramifications of the falling the

countryside. >> represents said, labour countryside. >> represents somethingour countryside. >> represents something like only represents something like 1% rural seats at the moment. 1% of rural seats at the moment. they've they say, to they've got a plan, they say, to respect the countryside more whatever means. i think whatever that means. but i think it for example, it would mean for example, signing eu veterinary signing up to the eu veterinary agreement,align of essentially align a lot of regulations with the common agricultural the agricultural policy and the european union. i certainly wouldn't support what wouldn't support that. and what actually i found quite puzzling about prime minister turning actually i found quite puzzling ab(essentially1e minister turning actually i found quite puzzling ab(essentially1e a nister turning actually i found quite puzzling ab(essentially1e a producerning up essentially at a producer conference today, he said he's got of farmers and got the back of farmers and producers. but what about consumers? got consumers? surely we've got a cost of living crisis. you mentioned prices have mentioned that, yes, prices have been, um , drawn down. but for been, um, drawn down. but for people who are struggling for the weekly shop, alex, that's a good thing. >> so not only is that true, but as a percentage of people's average expenditure, the weekly shop dropped dropped shop has dropped and dropped and dropped 1950s, dropped in britain in the 1950s, 1960s, spent on 1960s, 1970s. what you spent on food for your house was much larger, larger percentage of people's disposable income than it is today. but there is a contrariwise point on that. and liz truss, much mocked for talking about the, uh, cheese. the cheese and apples and so forth. there was a point there

about having our own produce and being food sufficient. and it's not the point about not just the green point about food miles. it's also the broader about being broader point about being self—sufficient anation self—sufficient as a nation when troubles you have troubles come and you don't have to people. it was to buy from other people. it was a minette a good point that minette batters, the outgoing batters, you know, the outgoing president made today president of the nfu made today where about where she talked about government to government does have a role to procure, , quality procure, for example, quality school by sourcing quality school meals by sourcing quality produce from our farms is the same for our hospitals . same for our hospitals. >> so there are ways in which farming can be assisted. it doesn't have to be seen as anti competitive, think it's competitive, but i do think it's interesting that the prime minister today and minister goes along today and essentially sides the essentially sides with the producers and not with the people who have to make ends meet with the weekly shop that the the groups the divide between the groups you're about once you're talking about once wouldn't a wouldn't have been seen as a stark as as is today, because stark as as it is today, because of course, past a large, of course, in the past a large, much larger percentage of british population were worked in lived in rural areas. >> the de—population of those places and the industrialisation of agriculture is what we're seeing. we're seeing here. and i don't think you should criticise the prime minister for going. i think might criticising

think we might be criticising predecessors going. think we might be criticising pre um,;sors going. think we might be criticising pre um, also going. think we might be criticising pre um, also as going. think we might be criticising pre um, also as wellgoing. think we might be criticising pre um, also as well ,)ing. think we might be criticising pre um, also as well, ing. think we might be criticising pre um, also as well, i think >> um, also as well, i think there's a few points this because as part of this speech, rishi was basically saying rishi sunak was basically saying to audience, you to this audience, you know, i know you farm you know that you farm because you love what do and one of the love what you do and one of the leaders conference leaders of the conference basically responded basically afterwards responded and let's basically afterwards responded an

live the right life of riley. you know, they're not multi—millionaires , not many of multi—millionaires, not many of them anyway, unless part of them anyway, unless they part of huge agri firm production . so huge agri firm production. so absolutely, we need to support them. but i'll just say this, michel , farming income has michel, farming income has doubled since the 2016 referendum. it's now £8 billion a year. and we subsidise farming by about £3 billion a year. i mean, it's a very heavily subsidised part of industry . i subsidised part of industry. i would support that. but i think, you know, we've got to look at the balance between protectionism, supporting the producer interest and ensuring that people get a good deal at the supermarket shelves as well, which also asking which is about also asking questions supermarkets questions of the supermarkets when negotiating these when they're negotiating these pnces when they're negotiating these prices with farms. >> well, that part i agree with. but, you know, i'm really wary of these things of romanticising these things either side on hand, either side. on the one hand, you for a generation, the you know, for a generation, the average of farmers has crept average age of farmers has crept up people aren't up and up. people aren't going into . people, not just into it. people, not just because they it, it's because they love it, it's because they love it, it's because into it because they were born into it and a farm. and that's

and have got a farm. and that's what have to do, what they feel they have to do, is people are farming, rates is why people are farming, rates of even suicide of depression and even suicide amongst community amongst our farming community has high. but so has been alarmingly high. but so i'm romanticise i'm not romanticise it there, but from the other perspective, michel, it's true that michel, it's also true that amongst farmers, amongst our farmers, their income since brexit. income has gone up since brexit. so doesn't get reflected in so that doesn't get reflected in the debate either. >> a farmer? what you >> are you a farmer? what do you make it all? one of my make to it all? one of my viewers here says michel, i think you've misspoke. you think you've just misspoke. you said he's the said sunak said he's got the farmers i what you farmers backs. i think what you meant to say was sunak got the farmers up, you, farmers backs up, i hear you, i'll bring you into this conversation after the break. i also want to talk you about also want to talk to you about courts. a backlog courts. we've got such a backlog in is it time in this country now. is it time that sit 24 over seven that courts sit 24 over seven until the clear? these backlogs? why just restrict that strategy to tell your thoughts to courts? tell me your thoughts

radio. hi there. >> i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven. alex stein and tom buick remain a long side. me, neil says michel, please, can you tell prince william just

to cut the ribbons and shut up? not appreciating that statement there. i can tell you . i want to there. i can tell you. i want to talk to you about courts. have you ever been a victim of crime? what was your justice process like? how quick was it because some are apparently some cases are apparently waiting five years for waiting up to five years for their cases to go to court. i mean, that's pretty disgraceful really, on many different, really, on so many different, um, avenues, whether it's the person been held on person that's been held on remand who by the way, be remand who by the way, could be innocent, whether the innocent, whether it's the victim justice, victim trying to get justice, apparently a backlog apparently we've got a backlog of more than 66,000 outstanding cases. there was a suggestion in this week, and you are a barrister, so i haven't practised for a long time. but yeah, you see, in my eyes you'll always be a barrister. there was always be a barrister. there was a suggestion made this week that courts essentially do courts should essentially do what they did after the riots. i think was in 2011 and run 24 think it was in 2011 and run 24 seven. in to order get through this backlog, what do you think? there's a reason i think you can't do that. >> and i say that knowing that alex chalk, with whom i was in chambers and now our justice

secretary, i wasn't a very good barrister, really barrister, but alex chalk really was good barrister and was a very good barrister and knows doing here. knows what he's doing here. we'll thinking these we'll be thinking about these things. those courts sat in things. when those courts sat in the of riots and were the aftermath of riots and were doing hearings with doing quick hearings with people, the cases were people, um, all the cases were very . people were very similar. people were charged with similar offences. the matters can be dealt with quite the matters can be dealt with quhe and the matters can be dealt with quite and you were quite quickly and you were deaung quite quickly and you were dealing basically on an emergency footing. what you're talking about, it wouldn't be wouldn't be a month. it wouldn't be a couple of weeks. you're talking about putting our courts on an emergency full time sitting get the sitting for years now. i get the kind we taking action kind of are we are taking action kind of are we are taking action kind but a large part of kind of. but a large part of that time would be spent sort of sitting around for the virtue of sitting around for the virtue of sitting because you're sitting for it, because you're not to get the witness not going to get the witness to come court at a.m. not going to get the witness to come court at am. to give come to court at 3 am. to give their evidence. you're not going to a part we're going to to a part unless we're going to really eye—watering rates. really pay eye—watering rates. you're to get the you're not going to get the expert scientist and expert forensic scientist and the to and the doctors to come and give their evidence at 4:45, or to sit as a floating witness between 3 and 8 am. and so , you between 3 and 8 am. and so, you know, there'll be simpler cases, though, that don't have all of those component parts.

>> surely you could look >> surely you could just look at your go right, your your backlog and go right, there's complex cases off there's your complex cases off you go. stay you be you go. stay there. you can be deau you go. stay there. you can be dealt time, dealt with during work time, work the funny work days. uh, so the funny thing quite the thing is that quite often the case think is going to be case you think is going to be complicated isn't. >> case you think that >> and the case you think that is complicated and one of is complicated is. and one of the that often happens is the things that often happens is that to the door that somebody gets to the door of finds that their, um, of court, finds that their, um, prosecution witnesses prosecution has their witnesses lined pleads guilty . lined up and then pleads guilty. now, thing, and it's now, that's one thing, and it's very to happen. and very frustrating to happen. and they discount on they get a smaller discount on their guilty plea as a result. it's for that it's one thing for that to happen at court on a friday at four. it's quite another thing for happen at 3 am. and for it to happen at 3 am. and then find you've to then find that you've got to send everyone home again and you've courtroom, you've got an empty courtroom, uh, for which paid tens uh, for which you've paid tens of pounds. that's of thousands of pounds. that's going empty overnight. so going to sit empty overnight. so it's a from it's a no from you. >> it's a no. it's no. >> it's a no. it's a no. » ._ >> it's a no. it's a no. >> i don't have alex's , uh, >> i don't have alex's, uh, legal background. my professional background is in education, but i just think talking as a citizen , i mean, talking as a citizen, i mean, it's just not acceptable. is it surely people victims of surely that people victims of crime are waiting five years, and i'm afraid this is a story

now that's repeated across the pubuc now that's repeated across the public sector. we've got record nhs waiting lists. we've got people who need treatment urgently. waiting years in some cases i just take the view . at cases i just take the view. at the end of the day, you know, as electors in a democracy where the rule of law is absolutely paramount and therefore justice for , we need to find a for victims, we need to find a way of resourcing these cases. there are untold 20 nightingale. uh courts still in operation. i do take the point, though. alex is making about would a family social worker turn up at 3:00 in the morning over a family case, not just once again and again? unlikely, but, you not just once again and again? unlikely, but , you know, not just once again and again? unlikely, but, you know, as as with the nhs , i think we need to with the nhs, i think we need to start talking about public services in this country. a reforming them. but be running some of them seven days a week. that's the society we live in now, seven days a week. >> i'm that's a different point and i'm absolutely up for compromise here. i think there's a of compromise to happen. a lot of compromise to happen. you can make up judges and you can make up more judges and sit can

sit at weekends, or you can extend court sitting you extend court sitting hours. you can interlocutory can take the interlocutory hearings, which take up a lot of. hearings are of. so the hearings that are held actual trial , held before the actual trial, which take up a lot of the time, and those into a and you can ram those into a saturday hearing where saturday sunday hearing where none public need to . none of the public need to. nobody's up to nobody's going to turn up to watch an interlocutory hearing, which process of which is about the process of getting something to court. right? but right? you can do that. but the idea for sake, idea of, for machismo sake, saying we're going to sit overnight 24 over seven until it gets that's the difference gets done, that's the difference you be pragmatic you can be you can be pragmatic and flexible without going to this lord. this kind of lord. >> former >> hogan—howe, the former commissioner met police, commissioner of the met police, he was the person that was making suggestions. making these suggestions. and i think he think in his sights, he particularly people particularly had people like, you your protesters you know, your protesters that spend time gluing spend their time gluing themselves to the floor or restricting your ability to move around and all the rest of it. >> sorry, i don't mean to dominate time, but from time to time we have specialist courts that do nothing but that sit and do nothing but right. have. during the right. you have. during the miners were courts miners strike, there were courts that did miner that sat and just did miner strike cases. and they weren't actually vindictive strike cases. and they weren't actualiminers vindictive strike cases. and they weren't actualiminers all vindictive strike cases. and they weren't actualiminers all time ctive to the miners all the time ehhen to the miners all the time either. very either. some were very sympathetic. have riots sympathetic. you have riots and so big so forth. you have big, big protests. but idea it should

protests. but the idea it should become norm that's wrong i >> -- >> you know, human m- m do need radical >> you know, we do need radical thinking this country, thinking in this country, though, don't we? we're a though, don't we? we're in a mess in much all areas, mess in pretty much all areas, all no one can get all aspects. now, no one can get in to see whether it's doctors, dentists, so actually dentists, whatever. so actually radical thinking, radical working is perhaps what is needed. but can you imagine, i don't know, some of the unions if tried say to the if you tried to say to the unions, you workers have unions, right, you workers have now the time now got to start half the time you to get people to you struggle to get people to work on a sunday. you work on a sunday. can you imagine started saying 24 imagine if you started saying 24 over i can just hear the over seven? i can just hear the unions now. goodness gracious me. to all of me. what do you make to all of that also, foreign that? also, our foreign secretary, david cameron, he just left the falkland islands, the first foreign secretary to visit there in about 30 years. was that a much needed visit or not? tell me and i'll see you in two.

hi there, michelle dewberry sol seven pr consultant alex dean,

alongside me and visiting professor at staffordshire university, tom buick. linda, i've just read out your twitter message to alex about him being better looking in the flesh when you saw earlier on, you said you saw him earlier on, you said i read it him, but i wouldn't read it to him, but i did. and thank you very much today. stephen on twitter says michelle today. stephen on twitter says michisitting early at 6 am. start sitting early at 6 am. and carry on going till at least 8:00 at night. we always 8:00 at night. why do we always give potential give those criminals potential criminals a lie in in the morning? has just been morning? but alex has just been explaining can explaining to me that you can already start courts a lot earlier. i'm sure. as early earlier. i'm not sure. as early as no as 6 am. no >> the courts as 6 a.m. no >> the courts are >> you mean the courts are working earlier than they actually sit? so that you can get things sorted out for trial? you know, for example, if you don't know, for example, if your be your defendant's going to be produced from prison. >> well, there go, michael >> well, there you go, michael says, know, sound says, um, you know, you sound like bit of like you've got quite a bit of experience with this. michael i've you're talking i've got to say, you're talking about times. the about the start times. the finishing about finishing times. but what about the breaks? they the lunch breaks? you say they have about a hour have at least about a two hour lunch we could lunch break per day. we could sort out. um, there you go. sort that out. um, there you go. how does a five year wait work? if remand? if the offender is on remand? well, offender on well, the offender sits on remand time has come remand until his time has come to face the court . and this is

to face the court. and this is one of the problems paul . so one of the problems paul. so there anyway. look what there you go. anyway. look what david has become. the david cameron has become. the first foreign secretary to visit the islands in 30 the falkland islands in 30 years. about years. this is all about basically, uh, argentina basically, uh, argentina basically they want to basically saying they want to return these islands to argentina . let's have a listen. argentina. let's have a listen. as long as the falkland islands want to be part of the uk family, they are absolutely welcome to be that, to be part of that family and we will support them and back them and help protect and defend them. >> absolutely . as far as i'm >> absolutely. as far as i'm concerned, for as long as they want. and i hope that's for a very, very long time, possibly forever . forever. >> 16 your thoughts don't regard it as controversial in any way for the foreign secretary to visit part of, as he puts it, the british family . it's visit part of, as he puts it, the british family. it's only controversial because the argentines absurdly claim, contrary to settled law , that contrary to settled law, that they have anything to do with they have anything to do with the falklands islands. and if they stopped that absurd they stopped with that absurd claim, longer claim, then it would no longer be it? be controversial, would it? >> think they'll >> do you think they'll stop with absurd claims? well, with their absurd claims? well, in fact, you they're in fact, do you think they're

upset? agree. in fact, do you think they're upswell, agree. in fact, do you think they're upswell, there's agree. in fact, do you think they're upswell, there's a agree. in fact, do you think they're upswell, there's a of agree. >> well, there's a lot of bellicose rhetoric that's been coming buenos since coming out of buenos aires since that centre right. >> perhaps he calls himself a libertarian president, was elected in argentina, i think the real issue, and i hope i'm not privy, obviously, to the discussions that will be taking place down there in government house and with residents of house and with the residents of the falkland islands. i think the falkland islands. i think the our the real question here for our foreign is why has the foreign secretary is why has the patrols , the royal navy, patrols patrols, the royal navy, patrols around the islands, been reduced since 2017? um, you . know, since 2017? um, you. know, there's just one gunboat apparently available to our armed forces there with four typhoon fighters and of course, a garrison. uh is still there in the falklands now, meanwhile , the falklands now, meanwhile, the, you know, 26 f—16s are about to be sold with us congressional support from denmark to argentina. what's all that about ? so it seems to me that about? so it seems to me there is a case for our posture, our defence posture in the falklands islands being increased, and i hope that that's actually what the foreign secretary is there to do, as

opposed to a long distance opposed just to a long distance foreign office junket at taxpayers expense. >> the argentines will >> well, the argentines will find were they find out, i think, were they to explore the british explore that, what the british response would be. it's response would be. but it's rather telling, isn't it, that you're right, i you're right, lee. i think talking about, um , defence talking about, um, defence provision. only need provision. well, you only need that if someone's going to break international law , take the law international law, take the law into their own hands , commit an into their own hands, commit an act of aggression in the first place. you don't to think place. you don't need to think about you're going to defend about how you're going to defend the falklands. if the argentines are peaceably are going to behave peaceably and reasonably. do you? >> alex, i mean, just >> yeah. but alex, i mean, just to point out to broaden the point out slightly, mean, slightly, i mean, this government over government has presided over an absolute comes absolute disaster when it comes to armed and the to our armed forces and the reduction in armed forces personnel. >> and take the royal navy, for example, 11 an are example, 11 an frigates are being decommissioned . these are being decommissioned. these are ships we because of a ships that we have because of a staffing crisis in the royal navy, that this government has not been able to plug. >> it's a shame we get to a party >> it's a shame we get to a party political point because i actually i don't agree with that. i think provision in >> i think provision in the royal certainly royal navy, certainly ship provision has been led in large degree by what admirals tell us

and tell the politicians they need and the leadership in the navy got they want . navy have got what they want. and often it's led to and quite often it's led to fewer frigates and fewer destroyers we joe public destroyers than we joe public might think is necessary. now we may be right, we may be wrong, but that they followed the advice of the experts in procuring need from procuring what we need from shipping on personnel and manpower. i think wrong manpower. i think it's wrong again it a partisan again to make it a partisan political governments of political issue. governments of all stripes betrayed our all stripes have betrayed our military in last two military in the last two generations, and military should be just a little bit larger. be not just a little bit larger. it lot larger. that it should be a lot larger. that said, can be proud of said, britain can be proud of the fact that we're one of the few that's 2. few countries that's met our 2. nato expenditure, not just nato uh, expenditure, not just this year the last two this last year and the last two years russia's outrageous years since russia's outrageous invasion but for invasion of ukraine. but for generations. but generations. yeah, but mothballing is just mothballing 11 frigates is just a l mothballing 11 frigates is just a , isn't it? of a failure, isn't it? of planning? well, i wouldn't do it myself, we face myself, but i think we face a change environment. of change environment. and of course, in multi course, our navy plans in multi year cycles. not it. perhaps we need to be more flexible in the way think about that. way we think about that. >> well, like mark as well echoing your point yeah echoing your point saying yeah fine. and good. fine. all well and good. cameron's going to cameron's saying he's going to protect the falklands. but what

on protect on earth will he protect them with gerry says was with gerry says it was absolutely that went to absolutely right that he went to the it should the falklands, but it should have a one way have been a one way ticket. you're a manager. gerry you're a harsh manager. um gerry and says i reckon he was and derek says i reckon he was there conjuring to there conjuring up a deal to send to the send asylum seekers to the falkland islands that says derek. oh, derek . derek, i can derek. oh, derek. derek, i can see where you're going with that. people will be up that. i think people will be up in that suggestion , in arms about that suggestion, ian, ever going to ian, if it was ever going to be true. i'm not sure would be. true. i'm not sure it would be. but for now, look, tom, but anyway, for now, look, tom, i've appreciated your company tonight, appreciated i've appreciated your company tonight, i appreciated i've appreciated your company tonight, i youreciated yours too. i asked you on twitter x whether or not twitter and x whether or not prince william was right or wrong that wrong to have made that statement on israel—gaza to, uh, get this. 15% of you said yes, he should have made that statement. 85% of he statement. 85% of you said he should have remained neutral. well there you go. look, that's all that i've got time for tonight. have a fantastic night. don't go anywhere, though, nigel farage i'll you farage up next. and i'll see you tomorrow night tomorrow night. night >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news.

>> hello . very good evening to >> hello. very good evening to you. i'm alex burkill, and here's your latest gb news weather forecast. it is going to be widely very for most of be widely very wet for most of us tomorrow morning. however before still have before then we still have some rain and rain around this evening and overnight, particularly across parts of the south as a front has made its southwards. as has made its way southwards. as we've through today and is we've gone through today and is going to linger across southern parts through the night, bringing , wet weather bringing cloudy, wet weather here, skies further here, clearer skies further north least to start north at least to start the night before. some cloudy, wet and windy conditions feed up from the southwest. like i said , from the southwest. like i said, some clear skies to start the night in the north and so we could see a touch of frost for a time before the unsettled weather pushes its way in. lifting our temperatures. so most tomorrow. most places will start tomorrow. mild, a wet watch out for mild, but a wet watch out for some heavy rain could cause some spray on the roads and we're likely to see a bit of flooding and some travel disruption, especially the especially in parts of the southwest. however the rain will clear towards the east as clear away towards the east as we go through the day with something brighter something drier and brighter following in behind. a few following in behind. just a few showers watch out for here

showers to watch out for here and there. it is going be and there. it is going to be windy though, so that wind windy though, and so that wind will the the will take the edge off the temperatures are above temperatures which are above average time year. average for the time of year. more weather to come more unsettled weather to come through of week. through the end of the week. likely see another band of likely to see another band of rain its way through on rain sweeping its way through on thursday. be thursday. and that could be quite heavy. some downpours possible likely possible, with showers likely elsewhere and more showers to come go through friday, come as we go through friday, it's likely to be bit blustery it's likely to be a bit blustery at too, but there should at times too, but there should be some sunshine in between into saturday looks a little saturday and it looks a little bit , but temperatures bit drier, but temperatures dropping average for dropping closer to average for the year looks like the time of year looks like things are heating up . things are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news .

>> good evening . well, as our >> good evening. well, as our future king, prince william says, the fighting in gaza should end right now . i asked

should end right now. i asked the question should he be intervening in this way? we'll talk about the senior official from the border force who's now been sacked for revealing that hundreds of flights are coming into the united kingdom when nobody is being checked at all. yet many are deemed to be high risk and we'll look the risk and we'll look at the phenomenon particularly the phenomenon particularly in the north of england, young north of england, of young white kids to become kids converting to become muslims and wonder what that's all about. but before that show, let's get the news with polly middleton first. >> nigel. thank you and good evening to you. well, as you've been hearing, the chief inspector of borders and immigration has been sacked today after he was found to have breached the terms of his appointment and lost the confidence of james cleverly , confidence of james cleverly, the home secretary. david neil, said he'd received home office data showing that the uk border force had failed to check the occupants of hundreds of private jets arriving at london city airport , but the home office airport, but the home office disputed the