will any of this make a blind bit of difference to the situation there or not.7 and we're all on pretty much the cusp of massive council tax hikes, as nearly all councils are going to raise their tax rates come april. so i'm asking you, is it time now for massive reforms to this system? and if so, what should that look like ? so, what should that look like? and a small cumbrian town has hit out at plans to start turning houses essentially into bedshs turning houses essentially into bedsits to accommodate multiple asylum seekers . i'm telling you, asylum seekers. i'm telling you, there is a real industry now being spawned with massive, lucrative landlord contracts on offer . but at what cost lucrative landlord contracts on offer. but at what cost ? and offer. but at what cost? and also, let me ask you, this would you ever go public if you won the lottery? i can't think of anything worse, but a uk couple today proudly declare they are now worth £61 million. when you want what you want to keep that kind of thing a secret or. not.

indeed so we're going to get stuck into debates on all of that. but before we do, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest news headlines. as . headlines. as. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, as you've been hearing, mps are busy debating today in the house of commons, a motion put forward by the scottish national party, which calls for ceasefire in which calls for a ceasefire in gaza ahead of a vote this evening . evening. >> likely a number of labour hardliners would have voted with the snp . i noticed that at the snp. i noticed that at jeremy corbyn's name was actually on the snp amendment, not that he's currently a labour member, so i think that will probably mean that labour are back their comfort zone . of back in their comfort zone. of course, none of this really matters terms what's matters in terms of what's happening ground in gaza. happening on the ground in gaza. it's a little of sort of

it's all a little bit of sort of political point scoring. and, you minister has you know, the prime minister has an amendment down which i'll be voting for, i think voting for, which i think re—establishes our support for the state of israel and its right to self protection . right to self protection. >> well, that vote taking place in about an hour's time , you saw in about an hour's time, you saw there the tory mp sir robert goodwill. he was telling gb news today's dramatic developments unlikely to have any impact on situation in gaza. it does seem to be, though, an extraordinary turn of events in the house of commons today, with the house speaken commons today, with the house speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, breaking with convention and allowing labour to table their amendments for discussion in the house of commons. well, we'll give you the outcome of that vote, which is taking place at 7:00 right here live on gb news throughout the rest of the evening. well the labour leader was pressing was also today pressing the prime the house of prime minister in the house of commons on allegations made by the secretary that the the business secretary that the former boss former post office boss lied about row over compensation to about a row over compensation to victims . it about a row over compensation to victims. it comes about a row over compensation to victims . it comes after about a row over compensation to victims. it comes after kemi badenoch accused henry staunton

of spreading falsehoods after he said the government had deliberately delayed compensation to victims. rishi sunak insisted though he is standing by kemi badenoch, pointing to the steps the government is taking to support victims of the scandal. and in a related news item, post offices could disappear from some high streets as the government looks into cutting the network to a so—called politically acceptable level . the proposal was revealed level. the proposal was revealed in a memo produced by the former post office chairman henry staunton. the network of around 11,500 outlets has been maintained since the mid 2000, when the labour government pursued a controversial plan which saw the closure of 2500 outlets. the post office didn't say what a politically acceptable number of outlets might be, but said they're pleased numbers have remained stable in recent years. the government has declined to comment . government has declined to comment. now, downing government has declined to comment . now, downing street comment. now, downing street says it still has complete confidence in britain's trident

nuclear programme, despite a missile misfiring and crashing into the ocean from the nuclear submarine hms vanguard . and it's submarine hms vanguard. and it's the second time a test has failed. the government unable to say when the last successful test took place . the defence test took place. the defence secretary, grant shapps , was on secretary, grant shapps, was on board when the £17 million misfire took place. the ministry of defence saying it's unusual, but trident is still safe, secure and effective . less secure and effective. less ayrshire police confirmed this afternoon that the missing two year old's name, the little boy who fell into the river soar on sunday. he's called shiloh maruziva . in a statement maruziva. in a statement released today , the toddler's released today, the toddler's family described him as a cheeky, funny boy who's a bundle of joy. they've also thanked members of the community for their ongoing support in the search for shiloh and specialist police divers are continuing their search today in the aylestone meadows area of leicester. despite difficult conditions caused by recent heavy rainfall . the wikileaks

heavy rainfall. the wikileaks founder , julian assange, will founder, julian assange, will have to wait for a decision on his appeal hearing that could see him spending the rest of his life in a us prison. if fails. earlier, protesters were gathering outside the royal courts of justice, where his lawyers have been presenting his case. it's over an alleged conspiracy to publish leaked documents relating to the afghanistan and iraq wars. some of those gathered outside the court spoke about their hopes for julian assange. >> i hope that he gets a chance to have an appeal because this court hearing is only i mean, there is not. i hope for him to become free immediately . there is not. i hope for him to become free immediately. um, i mean, he's only in prison because of his publications of torture and war crimes. >> yeah, it's really, really important. it's probably one of the most important decisions about free speech. a court that's going to ever, ever make. definitely the, the, the case of the century , the julian assange the century, the julian assange love him to release. >> but i don't think it will

happen. but, um, it's basically the most important thing sonje supporters outside the high court today in london. >> now as you were hearing from michelle, a couple in lancashire have been revealed as the lucky winners of the first uk euromillions jackpot of 2024. they have won a life changing amount, £61 million. and yes, they've decided to go public. richard and debbie nuttall won a share of . a £123 million jackpot share of. a £123 million jackpot prize from the end of last month's draw. the other winning ticket apparently was bought in spain for the very latest stories . do sign up for gb news stories. do sign up for gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news .com/ alerts . alerts. >> thanks very much for that, polly and michelle dewberry. i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight. there is lots i want to discuss with you tonight , but i discuss with you tonight, but i cannot help reflect on that last last story there about the

lottery win. um, can someone please enlighten me? why why on earth anybody would choose to go pubuc earth anybody would choose to go public with a huge lottery win like that ? 60 odd million like that? 60 odd million pounds? why what do you think would become of that? i'd be sitting there thinking, i'm going to become a target and my kid's going to become a target. you're going have begging you're going to have begging letters to kingdom you're going to have begging letterzall to kingdom you're going to have begging letterzall day, to kingdom you're going to have begging letterzall day, every kingdom you're going to have begging letterzall day, every day, dom you're going to have begging letterzall day, every day, iom come all day, every day, i imagine. do gain ? that imagine. what do you gain? that would the last thing i would would be the last thing i would want anyone on to know about me. if i won the lottery, if i had won the lottery, i haven't, by the way. don't worry about haven't, would about that. i haven't, but would you you'd you really go public if you'd won that amount of money? tell me. do enlighten me to the me. do enlighten me as to the mindset that amount me. do enlighten me as to the micasht that amount me. do enlighten me as to the micash with that amount me. do enlighten me as to the micash with the that amount me. do enlighten me as to the micash with the world. amount me. do enlighten me as to the micash with the world. uh,ount of cash with the world. uh, anyway, alongside me, the conservative in the house conservative peer in the house of a former mep, of lords and a former mep, jacqueline foster, and a new face to dewbs& co journalists and buckley. face to dewbs& co journalists and evening buckley. face to dewbs& co journalists and evening to buckley. face to dewbs& co journalists and evening to both buckley. face to dewbs& co journalists and evening to both oquckley. face to dewbs& co journalists and evening to both of you.ey. good evening to both of you. jacqueline would go public jacqueline would you go public if the lottery? no. if you won the lottery? no no. good, sensible would you. good, sensible woman. would you. >> i wouldn't there. >> no, i wouldn't there. >> no, i wouldn't there. >> just would please >> i just if you would please get touch with me because i'm get in touch with me because i'm absolutely fascinated know absolutely fascinated to know

what that mindset what would motivate that mindset to there like to put yourself out there like that. say i'm that. literally just to say i'm really i don't get it. really rich. i don't get it. tell what missing. tell me what i'm missing. anyway. look, can get in anyway. look, you can get in touch with me with that and lots more to come. all usual more to come. all the usual ways. views news. com or ways. gb views gb news. com or you can tweet me x me at gb news. but of course i must kick off tonight with politics because big night in because it is a big night in westminster . why? because the westminster. why? because of the situation . when it comes to the situation. when it comes to the voting on whether or not there should a ceasefire or a pause should be a ceasefire or a pause or whatever over in gaza, let's cross live to our political edhon cross live to our political editor, christopher hope to bnng editor, christopher hope to bring us up to speed with all the very latest christopher, good to you. first and good evening to you. first and foremost, can you explain to the viewers exactly is viewers what exactly is happening . in happening. in >> yes, here in the house of commons, it's been a big debate planned on an snp motion which was to call for an immediate ceasefire and condemn the collective punishment of palestinians. now in convention, the government can amend that because it's an opposition day

debate and normally the other opposition party in this sense, the labour party can don't get involved. but the speaker of the house of commons ruled at lunchtime that a third motion, tabled by labour, can stand and will be debated , and that allows will be debated, and that allows many labour mps concerned about gaza wanting to go further than the government's position to vote for the labour motion, not for the snp motion, because , of for the snp motion, because, of course, this is an election yeah course, this is an election year. michel and the snp's motion would have caused caused several front benches from keir starmer's team to resign had they supported the snp motion. so it's basically politics about what's happening in gaza. the israel response to the hamas attacks from october the 7th, that's what's happening. and that's what's happening. and that's why outside here you'll see an images, of course, of several hundred, um, pro palestinian demonstrators chanting about the issue of the attacks on, on, on, on, on gaza and from, from um, from, from

the israelis. and that's why it's a big issue, i should say , it's a big issue, i should say, just while i'm on the on the on air team, penny mordaunt is making a statement in the house of she's leader of of commons. she's a leader of the house of commons. and when i can get the base of what she said, there , i'll come back to said, there, i'll come back to you because there is a big debate here about why lindsay hoyle, who's independent hoyle, who's an independent speaker the of commons, speaker, the house of commons, why effectively changed why is he effectively changed the rules of debate midway through this parliament? it's like a referee in football changing the rules at half time on offside is a problem . the on offside is a problem. the tories are unhappy. so is the snp, but labour are happy tonight because of course they're their mps won't have to vote for a position which wasn't a party position. >> i'm going to let you go in a second and listen to penny. but before i do, there's been suggestions that actually the reason, uh, sir lindsay hoyle changed position on this and changed his position on this and broke convention essentially was because had put because pressure had been put onto by the labour party. is onto him by the labour party. is there any truth that? do you there any truth in that? do you think? yeah >> well, what happened? um, after pmqs today, michel, the

speaker went for a meeting behind the speaker's chair. we understand that keir starmer was there. the labour chief whip was there. the labour chief whip was there . i'm told by tory mps that there. i'm told by tory mps that no one else was there . the no one else was there. the speaker then came out with his new position, which ripped up the rules , which changed the the rules, which changed the rules established in 1979 and prompted a letter from the clerk of the house of commons, tom goldsmith. so the rules were changed. now tory mps are . changed. now tory mps are. others are wondering why that happened. others are wondering why that happened . what? what will happen happened. what? what will happen later this year when there's a when there's when this place breaks up for the election is a new is sworn in after new speaker is sworn in after that. now there are claims by at least two tory mps to me , that least two tory mps to me, that pressure was put on, um, on lindsay hoyle. that unless you allow this amendment to take place, we won't support you being speaker for another five years. those those claims are dismissed as utter nonsense by labour party and absolute nonsense by friends of lindsay hoyle, who made very clear, he

felt that the rules had to be changed to allow all, allow all mps to vote for one outcome, rather than have a kind of political difficulties for one party. so i want to make clear that and also that he's also concerned about the impact on mps back where they live in their constituencies, and they feel you want to give them feel that you want to give them an option. a third to an option. a third option to vote but changed the vote for. but he's changed the rules parliament and that's rules in parliament and that's really big really annoyed. two of the big teams the snp and the teams here, the snp and the tories. that's why there's tories. and that's why there's cries of foul play and just romanos. >> what time now? because these votes originally scheduled votes were originally scheduled for obviously that's for about 5:00. obviously that's been . so what kind been pushed back. so what kind of expecting that how. >> now. >> that's right. okay the first votes uh, i think on the labour motion will be after 7:00. then the snp motion and finally the government motion after that. so we'll see three big votes happening through. i think nigel farage show seven till eight, and we'll bring the news as soon as they happen to you, to our viewers and listeners at gb news. >> great stuff. thank you very much for that. christopher hope.

now, jacqueline, there's lots of strands to unpick on strands that i want to unpick on this about which way people should want to should be voting. i want to look at the different amendments. at all the different amendments. i whether or not i want to ask whether or not it's to make blind bit it's going to make a blind bit of difference. and i want to talk about the protests and we'll uh, live to those we'll come, uh, live to those protests because our, protests shortly because our, our own patrick christys our very own patrick christys he's on the he's actually there on the ground. come to that bit ground. so i'll come to that bit in second. this was in a second. but this was actually it had the potential today, it, really be today, didn't it, to really be quite politically divisive. there's suggestions as quite politically divisive. thwhy suggestions as quite politically divisive. thwhy the suggestions as quite politically divisive. thwhy the snp suggestions as quite politically divisive. thwhy the snp haveestions as quite politically divisive. thwhy the snp have come; as quite politically divisive. thwhy the snp have come up. quite politically divisive. thwhy the snp have come up with to why the snp have come up with this, motion. was it all this, uh, motion. was it all intended fragment the intended to kind of fragment the labour and cause political labour party and cause political problems? anyway problems? but all of that anyway has seen off now because has been seen off now because essentially there's three separate now, where are separate votes. now, where are you this? because lot of you on this? because a lot of people are saying that the government, should government, it should be the ones calling for an ones that are calling for an immediate ceasefire. and of course, they are not. they're calling for an immediate humanitare pause as part of moves towards permanent, moves towards a permanent, sustainable ceasefire. is that the right approach? >> absolutely . um, the thing is, >> absolutely. um, the thing is, we've known snp position we've known the snp position really the outset because really since the outset because the first minister of scotland made it clear that he was

demanding a ceasefire, this made it clear that he was degoing ng a ceasefire, this made it clear that he was de going back ceasefire, this made it clear that he was de going back weeks re, this made it clear that he was degoing back weeks ago this made it clear that he was degoing back weeks ago . this made it clear that he was degoing back weeks ago . um, s made it clear that he was degoing back weeks ago . um, i is going back weeks ago. um, i think what astonishing here and, uh, i've always been a bit of a fan of the speaker, actually, even though i come from a different party, that this has actually happened. um, i think it's very disappointing. i think it's very disappointing. i think it's very disappointing. i think it's very disturbing because these three amendments are actually all quite different , actually all quite different, but content is quite but their content is quite different . uh, where i'm also different. uh, where i'm also not at all happy is i have seen and not just me over the last week or so, actually , the leader week or so, actually, the leader of the opposition, keir starmer, starts softening and changing his position. now we know that we've had some labour mps and we've had some labour mps and we've had some conservative mps and they've been virtually barricaded into their offices in their constituencies . so it's their constituencies. so it's been they've been put in a very difficult position. but at the end of the day, if you lead a party and you want be the party and you want to be the leader this country or a leader of this country or a prime minister, you cannot kowtow those shout kowtow to those who shout loudest. so wouldn't support loudest. so i wouldn't support either the labour either snp or the labour amendment at all. um, i think

the government's got this right and i would very much support it. and i'm very, very disappointed about what's happened with the protocols in the house of commons well before i you in, mike, actually, i bring you in, mike, actually, let's, play just for anyone let's, um, play just for anyone that's um, brought that's not, um, brought themselves up to speed yet. >> of all, >> so let's first of all, listen, uh, stephen snp listen, uh, stephen flynn, snp speaking about his amendment actually, that's of actually, because that's of course it's uh, opposition day. snp uh, so it's those guys that have actually kicked this have actually kicked all of this off, to speak. let's listen, off, so to speak. let's listen, mr speaker, tonight this house will have the opportunity to join the majority of the join with the majority of the international community and say that enough is enough, that the killing in gaza must stop and that the hostages must be released. >> and the best way to do that is to send a clear and united message that we back an immediate ceasefire. yeah, sure . immediate ceasefire. yeah, sure. we, all of us, our respective of our political allegiance, can agree on that very issue . agree on that very issue. >> well, of course it won't

surprise you. of course, to know that rishi sunak immediately responded to that. let's listen . responded to that. let's listen. >> course we want to see the >> of course we want to see the fighting gaza end as soon as fighting in gaza end as soon as possible. but he talks about the un resolution. but just calling for an immediate full ceasefire now, which collapses back into fighting within days or weeks, is not in any one's interests. mr speaker , we must work towards mr speaker, we must work towards a permanent ceasefire, and that is why the right approach is the approach that we've set out and the united states have set out in their resolution, which is for an immediate humanitarian pause to get hostages out and aid in. now i want to bring in mike, but just before i do, i think it's only fair. >> actually, we've been speaking about zelenskyy. let's listen to him and what he to say him and what he had to say before i do that. him and what he had to say befi'e i do that. him and what he had to say be“ have) that. him and what he had to say be“ have therefore decided to >> i have therefore decided to select amendments, in select the amendments, both in the name the prime minister the name of the prime minister and the name of the leader of and in the name of the leader of the . because the

the opposition. because the operator of standing order number 31 will prevent another amendment from being moved after the government has moved its amendment . amendment. >> so there we are, three votes. he explains why. >> so there we are, three votes. he explains why . mike, where are he explains why. mike, where are you on all this? i mean, there's something un pleasant about this spat in the house of commons when we're talking about gaza, which, to be fair, any vote in the house of commons is not going to affect the israeli government. >> and hamas are not going to sit and think, oh, there's been a vote in the house of commons, let's all down tools or let's carry on fighting, you know, and instead topic being instead of the main topic being the deaths both sides, you the deaths on both sides, you know, deaths gaza know, the 30,000 deaths in gaza and a thousand deaths and the over a thousand deaths in israel october. grief in in israel last october. grief over that a fervent desire over that and a fervent desire to together and decide to come together and decide together. do together. we want to do everything we can to make this violence stop. and using any authority we have, you authority that we have, you know, turning into know, this is turning into a spat parliament, it spat in parliament, and it shouldn't in my view, in shouldn't be that in my view, in terms of what's happened today, i whether lindsay i don't know whether lindsay hoyle's the rules is a

hoyle's change of the rules is a good or bad thing good thing or a bad thing necessarily. going to need necessarily. he's going to need to make his argument on that and convince that he's done the convince mps that he's done the right far, i think right thing. and so far, i think it's just been of a shock it's just been a bit of a shock to parliament. and indeed, he's done in controversial done it in very controversial circumstances. but if circumstances. but again, if you look motions, look at the three motions, yes, the indifferent language. the is indifferent language. yes. they're yes. to some degree they're saying different things, but they all calling for an end they are all calling for an end to violence. it would to the violence. and it would seem me it would be good if seem to me it would be good if we all unify around that. we could all unify around that. >> well, i thought it was interesting. >> david lammy i'll play a clip for in second. david for you in a second. but david lammy, um, came under lammy, he, um, came under criticism yesterday. so let's remember that remember yesterday. at that point likely that point it looked likely that perhaps labour amendment point it looked likely that perhaps get_abour amendment point it looked likely that perhaps get called.amendment point it looked likely that perhaps get called. me he ment point it looked likely that perhaps get called.amehe was: wouldn't get called. so he was asked question about asked a direct question about whether in situation whether or not in that situation he basically back the he would, um, basically back the snp amendment. i found it quite interesting. and again, this accusation of politicking over palestine, uh, has been raised quite let's have a quite a lot. but let's have a listen to david lammy. >> to do anything >> i don't want to do anything in an election year in which the labour party might have the privilege serving, that cuts privilege of serving, that cuts across our ability to do that . across our ability to do that. but and if you look at the

detail of that snp motion, it is not balanced . and that is the not balanced. and that is the problem as i see it with the snp. so something that makes me quite uncomfortable about, you know, you're either passionate about an immediate ceasefire and protecting the lives of these children or you're not, and you kind of lose me a little bit when you start saying, well, you've got to remember, you know, we're in an election year and the of it because and all the rest of it because it shouldn't be about that. >> it shouldn't be about what's best your re—election. best for your re—election. >> think david saying, >> i think what david is saying, and he's quite right, and i think he's quite right, actually, saying, you actually, is he's saying, you know, a few months from now, he may be foreign secretary of may well be foreign secretary of this he will be this country, and he will be deaung this country, and he will be dealing directly with israel and with or with other with the us, or with other players in uh keir players in this. uh keir starmer, who will be prime minister, assuming minister, you know, assuming things that it looks things go the way that it looks like they're going go, like they're going to go, they're going to have to deal with this. he's right with this. he's quite right to say doesn't want to sign up say he doesn't want to sign up to not going say he doesn't want to sign up to be not going say he doesn't want to sign up to be able not going say he doesn't want to sign up to be able to not going say he doesn't want to sign up to be able to abide not going say he doesn't want to sign up to be able to abide by not going say he doesn't want to sign up to be able to abide by when oing to be able to abide by when they're position of power, they're in a position of power, when they're negotiating with their he is their states. and i think he is right to the snp motion

right to point to the snp motion and well, one hand, and say, well, on the one hand, yes, it's that it's calling yes, it's good that it's calling for ceasefire and it's calling for a ceasefire and it's calling for a ceasefire and it's calling for an violence. what it for an end to violence. what it doesn't is strongly doesn't do is strongly enough recognise that israel has a right to defend which it right to defend itself, which it does. recognise violence right to defend itself, which it doeswas recognise violence right to defend itself, which it doeswas perpetrated violence right to defend itself, which it doeswas perpetrated againstence that was perpetrated against israelis ago. israelis only a few months ago. >> um, it seems like electioneering to me. what do you home? you think to it at home? i'm going return topic. going to return to this topic. i mentioned the protests outside of christys of westminster. patrick christys is to is live, so we'll cross to him after and also after the break and also continue

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conservative peer in the house of lords and former mep jacqueline and jacqueline foster, and the journalist commentator mike journalist and commentator mike buckley alongside of course . buckley alongside me, of course. big night. voting in parliament today about whether or not there should be a ceasefire in gaza. our own patrick christys is our very own patrick christys is live of westminster live outside of westminster right now. protests are occurring. what's going on, patrick? >> yeah , well, an incredibly >> yeah, well, an incredibly lively atmosphere, as you would expect . michelle. there's quite expect. michelle. there's quite a lot happening. i'll talk you through it. there's gathering through it. there's a gathering here there's variety here where there's a variety of different obviously here where there's a variety of difipalestine obviously here where there's a variety of difipalestine , obviously here where there's a variety of difipalestine , rishi )bviously here where there's a variety of difipalestine , rishi sunakly here where there's a variety of difipalestine , rishi sunak a for palestine, rishi sunak a wasteman um if we turn wasteman as well. um if we turn around other side, if we around to the other side, if we possibly can, there's a stage there. now on that stage, we've had various different speakers. jeremy corbyn talking. now, jeremy corbyn was talking. now, jeremy corbyn was talking. now, jeremy corbyn was talking. now, jeremy corbyn made very jeremy corbyn made a very interesting actually , interesting point, actually, about why the egyptian government are not opening that rafah crossing letting rafah crossing and letting people said that people in. he said that that would be essentially would then be essentially a total gaza and total evacuation of gaza and exactly what israel wants. so he's standing in support of the egyptians doing that. you can't see it from where i am now, but just the other side by where the entrance, the back entrance ,

entrance, the back entrance, where into parliament. where mps go into parliament. there's gathering there where mps go into parliament. there' much, gathering there where mps go into parliament. there' much, much 1ering there where mps go into parliament. there' much, much smalleriere where mps go into parliament. there' much, much smaller . re where mps go into parliament. there' much, much smaller. um, that's much, much smaller. um, we uh , a van that's we have had, uh, a van that's been going around as well, which i is from the campaign i think is from the campaign against anti semitism, which is making about hamas making points about hamas and palestinian , etc. heavy palestinian jihad, etc. heavy police presence. i mean , police presence. i mean, absolutely, at the moment this is pretty calm really. uh, certainly compared to some of the that seen the things that we've seen previously. worth noting as previously. it's worth noting as well, actually some well, there is actually some confusion and confusion in the crowd here. and i journalists i think amongst journalists around exactly around the country as to exactly what when are going to what and when we are going to get inside the houses of parliament. kind of parliament. uh, it's kind of people's front judea people's front of judea territory, snp territory, really, with the snp demanding immediate demanding an immediate ceasefire, the government tabling for an tabling amendment for an immediate pause. immediate humanitarian pause. and then labour is calling for a ceasefire that lasts and lasts . ceasefire that lasts and lasts. so there go. the biggest so there we go. the biggest thing me, though, speaking thing for me, though, speaking to and to people here, michelle, and i'll to you in a i'll throw back to you in a second, that starmer second, is that keir starmer appears to big villain appears to be the big villain in all expected the all of this. people expected the conservative to not conservative party to not necessarily along the necessarily go along the ceasefire have ceasefire route as they have done now, but they did expect more keir starmer, and he's done now, but they did expect morperson ir starmer, and he's done now, but they did expect morperson thatarmer, and he's done now, but they did expect morperson that aner, and he's done now, but they did expect morperson that a lot and he's done now, but they did expect morperson that a lot of1d he's done now, but they did expect morperson that a lot of people the person that a lot of people are talking about here, venting

are talking about here, venting a of anger and chant of, a lot of anger and a chant of, uh, starmer. uh what were uh, keir starmer. uh what were you doing today? how many children have died today has been around. is been ringing around. so this is this are. and as we this is where we are. and as we can quite a lot can see, there's a quite a lot of i don't know if maybe of people. i don't know if maybe i could try and talk this i could try and talk to this particular i could try and talk to this partiright? um, just to ask what that right? um, just to ask what you house you want from inside the house of commons today, sir. >> that was snp vote to >> that was when the snp vote to go through. >> snp go through. >> you want the snp vote to go through. okay uh. all right. and are you disappointed with what you've there. you want an you've seen there. you want an immediate i take immediate ceasefire now? i take it like the the it i don't like the way that the speaker has changed the order. >> unprecedented . and he's >> it's unprecedented. and he's made labour go first, whereas the snp , uh, put in the motion. the snp, uh, put in the motion. so i don't know why he's done that. so i don't know why he's done that . and i want an explanation . that. and i want an explanation. >> just, just some people are saying that it doesn't really matter what does matter today because it's not going impact because it's not going to impact what happens it's not what happens, because it's not necessarily going to impact what happens you r espond? respond? >> does it matter ? it shows what >> does it matter? it shows what the want. that's what the people want. that's what matters. it shows a sign matters. and it it shows a sign to beau biden and everyone else, and it shows the palestinian

people that we are not represented by our government, who are a racist . and uh, you who are a racist. and uh, you know, look at all these people now. they're all angry , and now. they're all angry, and there are a lot of people we'll just pan around as well. >> we'll just do a little bit of a i think well. a walk through. i think as well. there's there's there's you can see there's a heck a of people all heck of a lot of people all around here. and this crowd is growing hundreds growing by the hundreds and hundreds as more people finish work at work and gather here at parliament square. and it's going over the way going to spill over all the way around parliament and all around our parliament and all the way down past there as well. we're going to be covering it live. i'm going to be doing a couple of vox pops as well. so that'll coming on my that'll be coming up live on my show 11 pm. tonight. show 9 to 11 pm. tonight. michelle so michelle now, now, ever so much for that, patrick. >> shall be watching >> we shall be watching your show at 9:00. >> and that chap that you spoke to is going to have some fascinating pictures of the back of head, of patrick christys head, isn't he? them. of patrick christys head, isn't he?have them. of patrick christys head, isn't he?have inspect them. of patrick christys head, isn't he?have inspect his them. i'll have to inspect his hairline i wonder what's hairline now. i wonder what's going look right, going on anyway. look right, let's cut to the chase, because the technicalities of these

amendments in amendments and the goings on in westminster and this amendment and lot and that amendment, a lot of people don't it all. people don't really get it all. and a of people think it's and a lot of people think it's not really relevant anyway. a lot of people, whoever they are, whichever the fence whichever side of the fence they're they is for they're what they want is for they're what they want is for the for the killing of innocent children in, in hamas to stop. where is that where you are as well. >> look, i think we're the naivety comes into this . there naivety comes into this. there are people calling for a ceasefire . when you had a group ceasefire. when you had a group of terrorists, a lot of them on october the 7th, who went across the border into israel and slaughtered and i mean slaughtered, what 1400 people it is a war crime. they took hostages, which is another war crime . and there are still about crime. and there are still about 130 of these hostages. and they're all civilians, men and women and children and babies , women and children and babies, and they're still held hostage . and they're still held hostage. hamas don't want a ceasefire. they've been given an opportunity for a ceasefire. what they've also said is that

this isn't going to be the first time they're going to do this. they have said in public they're organised nation that they will do it again and again in. so they're not talking about actually stopping what took place again on october 7, obviously . so israel is still obviously. so israel is still being attacked it there is still missiles being fired into israel. israel is also fighting on the northern border against hezbollah. uh obviously from from lebanon . so israel is still from lebanon. so israel is still under attack . so we can all call under attack. so we can all call for ceasefire. of course. everybody wants you know, jam tomorrow. but until they turn round hamas and these other terrorist organisations and they say we will release the hostages now and we will stop doing what we're doing . there is no we're doing. there is no prospect. there is no prospect of moving this forward , no of moving this forward, no matter how many people stand outside and call for it. and that's where they are at the moment. they are belligerent and they are not moving at all. so you know, we're talking about

aid coming in, which is very important. we know for a fact from the panorama program on monday night, they're still siphoning off 30, 40% of the aid. human unitarian aid aid. the human unitarian aid that's being allowed to get through to gaza as well. so they use the women and the children as human shields. they're still doing it with their own people. >> they you're >> when you say they you're referring talking referring to, i'm talking about these and they're these terrorists and they're still and have no still doing it, and they have no they have no value on human life at all. >> they're very happy to use their their own people to do this further their ends , and this and further their ends, and their end up with their ends end up with destruction saw with destruction. we saw it with isis, seen it with isis, and we've seen it with other and will continue. >> do you share that >> so do you share that sentiment then, that there should be no calls for ceasefire until israeli until these, um, israeli hostages have been released? no of course i don't. >> i mean, we have to have a ceasefire and it has to be as soon the vast soon as possible. and the vast majority international majority of the international community is that view, community is of that view, including, crucially, now the united states and president joe biden, the biden, who is, you know, the most person in all most influential person in all of the united of this. so the united states have week a motion have just this week put a motion before the un security council ,

before the un security council, um, saying that there should be an immediate ceasefire. everybody wants the hostages released. course , but we're released. of course, but we're now up to 30,000 deaths in gaza of not of hamas, but of innocent people. >> but that's not the us position . position. >> it is the us position they put in motion . it's the un. put in motion. it's the un. saying that they want a humanitarian ceasefire, that the hostages need to be released before moves forward. before anything moves forward. >> the us position . >> that is the us position. >> that is the us position. >> that is the us position. >> that isn't what that motion says. motion calls for says. the motion calls for a ceasefire that everybody does want the hostages want to get the hostages released. absolutely. but the us is to is now clear that there has to be ceasefire israel needs be a ceasefire that israel needs to go into rafah, because to not go into rafah, because that you even that would cause, you know, even more, more humanitarian , more, even more humanitarian, uh, civilian deaths. >> i there's also there's >> i mean, there's also there's also the question of the international community well also the question of the intof|ational community well also the question of the int of the. 1al community well as of the. >> yes, course, has >> yes, of course, israel has the to defend but the right to defend itself, but it proportionate. it has to be proportionate. yeah, but we've beyond yeah, but we've gone way beyond a proportionate this point. >> look at t“ >> just look at this. there's 2 million israelis who million arabs, arab israelis who live in, in, in israel, million arabs, arab israelis who live in, in, in israel , 1.6 live in, in, in israel, 1.6 million palestinians live in israel . these people are not israel. these people are not fans of hamas. israel. these people are not fans of hamas . they don't fans of hamas. they don't particularly want to see hamas .

particularly want to see hamas. i doubt in in the territory and in the country that they live in the zero tolerance of hamas. they will there will be there is zero chance of getting out zero chance of hamas getting out of you're listening to of gaza if you're listening to what objective time that what their objective time that the happened in october. the attacks happened in october. >> that could happen, but >> yes, that could happen, but it objective of hamas is to >> the objective of hamas is to basically israel , and basically destroy israel, and that includes everybody. that's there. and that includes and will have an impact on the 2 million arab israelis ,1.6 million arab israelis, 1.6 million arab israelis, 1.6 million palestinian jews who live in israel now. >> but however many innocent palestinians, israel kills, that isn't going to end hamas terrorist organisation. >> nobody's talking about that. but it is a key issue here to what actually happens in the future. >> if anybody is denying that hamas is a terrorist organisation but organisation, but indiscriminately killing thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands being thousands of being indiscriminate gazans, women, children , your own children and men, your own borders, of that isn't borders, breach of that isn't going stop hamas being going to stop hamas being a terrorist organisation. isn't going to stop hamas being a terroritoorganisation. isn't going to stop hamas being a terrorito stoplisation. isn't going to stop hamas being a terrorito stop what�*n. isn't going to stop hamas being a terrori to stop what he isn't to going to stop what he wants to stop firing missiles into israel. >> well, israel needs to stop killing innocent needs to killing innocent girls, needs to turn around say, we will

turn around and say, we will release tomorrow. release the hostages tomorrow. that's starting that's where you're starting point is, well, israel also holds of palestinians. holds thousands of palestinians. >> are prisoners. >> they are prisoners. >> they are prisoners. >> they are not hostages . they >> they are not hostages. they are prisoners. they've come under the rule of law in israel. whether people agree with that or not, they've never faced any criminal these criminal courts, hostages. these were war crimes. and these individuals civilians . individuals and these civilians. >> no denying that what >> no one's denying that what hamas was water with anything they in bed. they were in bed. >> were in their villages. >> they were in their villages. they at a music festival. they were at a music festival. and these terrorists went in and they slaughtered them. they raped them, took them raped them, and they took them hostage. fundamental hostage. there is a fundamental difference between what israel is doing or the prisoners. it may have , and what this may have, and what this terrorist organisation did at the behest of iran , because it's the behest of iran, because it's one of their proxies there. it's not there is not a pussyfooting around. >> this is the people in israel were innocent, but the entire population of gaza, israel is not a member of hamas to come in. >> nobody invited them on october 7th to come in and have a cup of everybody a cup of tea. everybody was minding business. minding their own business. hamas broke ceasefire that hamas broke the ceasefire that had been in place for some time,

and nobody invited israel to go in slaughter 30,000 gazans ehhen >> no, israel has gone in as an army and has tried to target the areas hamas, israel in all likelihood, no, no no no martial law as well. >> you can't defend being judged by the international court. hamas deliberately put headquarters tunnels under headquarters and tunnels under schools and hospitals, and we know we've got all of the evidence. have also seen evidence. i have also seen the uncut of what hamas uncut footage of what hamas terrorists did that day. you're looking of looking at two horrific acts of violence , and you're judging violence, and you're judging what perfectly fine and what is perfectly fine and decent behaviour. >> you and the other one is not hamas, neither of accept hamas, neither of israel accept have to retaliate. and i'm staggered that you can't see that. >> e- e see very clearly. i'm >> i can see very clearly. i'm very that you and many very staggered that you and many others can't see what happened by the fact that hamas terrorists walked into a country that was literally minding its own business that day and thought it was going to be perfectly all right with no repercussions, runs to do exactly it did. and it's exactly what it did. and it's had time four to had time for four months to release these hostages, and it hasn't it . hasn't done it. >> i don't think anybody is

denying is a denying that hamas is a terrorist they terrorist organisation. they are. in october are. what happened in october 7? completely are. what happened in october 7? comple' dwelling are. what happened in october 7? comple'dwelling on are. what happened in october 7? comple' dwelling on that. know >> not dwelling on that. we know it's organisation . it's a terrorist organisation. we just not the we were just that's not the point making point i'm making. >> 60s ago >> you were just 60s ago claiming that people were denying to denying it. you're trying to move it, making regular move on it, making regular viewers will viewers on my show will know that people that. that some people do deny that. >> for example, many denying >> so, for example, many denying novara who's show? novara media who's on this show? he show on this he comes on this show on this show, he doesn't regard show, he said he doesn't regard hamas terrorist hamas as a terrorist organisation. so present day people that . people do still deny that. >> and a small minority, you've got the party got members of the labour party who of the who are still members of the labour and they're labour party, and they're denying don't keeping quiet. >> i think there's anybody >> i don't think there's anybody well, certainly there are certainly mps who certainly no labour mps who are denying have to tell you, i >> well, i have to tell you, i have tell you they're doing have to tell you they're doing it with great reluctance. have to tell you they're doing it vbutgreat reluctance. have to tell you they're doing it vbut thet reluctance. have to tell you they're doing it vbut the fact uctance. have to tell you they're doing it vbut the fact that|ce. is >> but the fact that hamas is a terrorist organisation, and what happened terrorist organisation, and what happitozd saying that the have to keep saying that the terror what terror we know that no, what you're moving you're doing is moving away. >> of the points i'm >> some of the points i'm raising as to we're in this raising as to why we're in this situation to we're situation as to why we're in this situation, simply this situation, i'm simply making there have making the point that there have been acts on both been unacceptable acts on both sides an acceptable deaths sides and an acceptable deaths on both sides, but continuing the make on both sides, but continuing the better make on both sides, but continuing the better for make on both sides, but continuing the better for anybody make on both sides, but continuing the better for anybody in make life better for anybody in israel avoidable.

israel or in gaza avoidable. there avoidable deaths there have been avoidable deaths because what happened in the because of what happened in the first none of this what first place. none of this what you to be arguing for is you seem to be arguing for is the continuing slaughter of women gaza. the continuing slaughter of worand gaza. the continuing slaughter of worand i gaza. the continuing slaughter of worand i don't gaza. the continuing slaughter of worand i don't know gaza. the continuing slaughter of worand i don't know whyiza. the continuing slaughter of worand i don't know why you're >> and i don't know why you're doing that. >> do that. because >> no, don't do that. because that absolutely outrageous >> no, don't do that. because thatoutrageously outrageous >> no, don't do that. because that outrageous thing. )utrageous >> no, don't do that. because that outrageous thing. what eous >> no, don't do that. because that outrageous thing. what are; and outrageous thing. what are you record you arguing? i'm on the record as from the very as saying from the very beginning. the innocent beginning. it is the innocent women and children, palestinian women and children, palestinian women and children that hamas and others hide behind. and they are using their own people as human shields. they are the disgrace . so don't think that disgrace. so don't think that people like me because we are taking particular position , taking a particular position, are not aware of what's actually happening. this conversation will second. happening. this conversation wil|i second. happening. this conversation wil|i just second. happening. this conversation wil|i just want second. happening. this conversation wil|i just want to second. happening. this conversation wil|i just want to se clear about >> i just want to be clear about this because it has this un thing, because it has come up. so what was come up. so what happened was the un security council on tuesday, that tuesday, there was a motion that was algeria that was tabled by algeria that called for immediate humanitarian ceasefire. us humanitarian ceasefire. the us actually vetoed that. the uk abstained . then what happened abstained. then what happened was the us, they tabled their own motion basically, which a draft resolution which called for temporary ceasefire in for a temporary ceasefire in gaza as soon as is practicable. so that was the us, the us's

position. now there has been major developments in the goings on in parliament. christopher hope will join us in couple of hope will join us in a couple of minutes up to speed hope will join us in a couple of minlthat. up to speed hope will join us in a couple of minlthat. don't up to speed hope will join us in a couple of minlthat. don't go up to speed

radio. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven. the conservative peer in the house of lords and a former mep , house of lords and a former mep, jacqueline foster, is alongside me as is the journalist and commentator mike buckley . we've commentator mike buckley. we've just the goings on just been debating the goings on in when it comes to in parliament when it comes to the around the gaza the situation around the gaza ceasefire well i can tell ceasefire votes. well i can tell you there's been some quite significant developments in that. live our that. let's cross live to our political christopher political editor, christopher hope, who is live at westminster, bring us all up westminster, to bring us all up to speed. what on earth is going on yeah . on there? oh, yeah. >> well, michelle, unbelievably , >> well, michelle, unbelievably, and i think this hasn't happened before, certainly for my time covering politics. and michelle, that's at least 20 years. and other wiser heads are saying longer government longer than that. the government and the snp have effectively picked football and picked up their own football and walked pitch. labour are walked off the pitch. labour are now, we think, voting on their

own amendment unchallenged. this is because there's concern in the house about the speaker the house about the way speaker lindsay hoyle has managed to allow labour to amend what is an opposition day debate shouldn't be amended by a be allowed to be amended by a second party. big second opposition party. big concerns and this place has gone a bit febrile outside in the members lobby. uh tory mps, snp mps are wandering around in the voting lobbies right now. we think labour's voting on their own in extraordinary times. with me now as brendan clarke—smith, the former party deputy chairman. brendan what on earth just happened in the house of commons? >> well, i mean, i've not seen anything like this before myself and is completely and this is completely unprecedented. in my unprecedented. certainly in my time. um, a lot of very angry people here today. we were expecting an opposition day from the national party. the scottish national party. they that's been taken over they feel that's been taken over now by the labour party. that's not what the procedure normally is. normally, you're is. normally, if you're a smaller party, of course, you get chance vote on get the chance to vote on your own day then the own opposition day and then the government opposition government or another opposition party try amend that and

party may try and amend that and say we prefer another set say, well, we prefer another set of words, otherwise you'd never get own thing. get to vote on your own thing. so procedurally, that's the way it's only twice, i it's done. it's only twice, i think, in the last 25 years that there's been a slight change, and the government and that's when the government hasn't change so hasn't tried to change it. so what the speaker what happened with the speaker this morning? we said again, it's unimpressive and it's fairly unimpressive. and this is so this is why everybody is so angry. so and the concern is angry. so snp and the concern is very much united here. the snp walked out the chamber. we followed them straight after. so there's a bit of solidarity there. isn't right and there. but this isn't right and this isn't why we became members of parliament. >> speaker lindsay >> and what speaker lindsay hoyle, when that hoyle, in the chair when that happened? or was his deputy, rosie deputy was >> well, deputy speaker was there, and this the point. so there, and this is the point. so a of people raised points there, and this is the point. so a order of people raised points there, and this is the point. so a order and people raised points there, and this is the point. so a order and said,le raised points there, and this is the point. so a order and said, wherezd points there, and this is the point. so a order and said, where is points there, and this is the point. so a order and said, where is the |ts of order and said, where is the speaker? we'd like him to explain decision. now. the explain his decision. now. the clerk house commons, clerk of the house of commons, he's given his reasons there. he said not something that said this is not something that goes procedure. normally, goes with procedure. normally, this way it works. he this is not the way it works. he gave his advice. published gave his advice. he published that if you read the that i think if you read the letter, really the first paragraph in the last paragraph particularly damning .

particularly are quite damning. now, our concern that there's now, our concern is that there's been some pressure that's been exerted maybe there's exerted there. maybe there's something bit more something a little bit more sinister, about sinister, whether it's about the speaker's position or whether he'd be removed after general he'd be removed after a general election or on. we feel election or so on. and we feel that labour perhaps bullied that labour have perhaps bullied their through this, and that their way through this, and that is concern. so a number is the real concern. so a number of points of of people raising points of order on floor say not just order on the floor say not just concerned motives. many of the snp are truly snp are there. they are truly outraged this. so we want outraged about this. so we want to know what's happened with this. think this sets this. and we think this sets a really, really bad precedent. so where here, i don't know. >> well, both claims are >> well, both those claims are denied speaker's denied both by the speaker's office and labour party office and by the labour party office and by the labour party of brought to bear on of pressure brought to bear on the it is true, the speaker. but it is true, isn't that speaker isn't it, that the speaker is up? that up for grabs up? that job is up for grabs after election. after the general election. what's his future now? has he lost the confidence of the house of commons? >> well, think there's a lot >> well, i think there's a lot of very angry people there. and those questions those are questions that are going be answered. going to have to be answered. you certainly of you know, certainly in terms of the actually the speaker, someone i actually personally like and respect and so and something like so on, and then something like this and you have to this comes along and you have to say, not how say, you know, this is not how we it. there were people we expect it. there were people

chanting bercow chanting bring back bercow earlier think it's john earlier and i think it's john bercow , the speaker during the bercow, the speaker during the brexit it was brexit wars when it was very controversial, was controversial. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> it's got to be pretty, pretty bad of bad for that. and then of course, also course, what actually also happened tonight is the government, as you know, um, penny announced this, penny mordaunt announced this, that actually that we were actually withdrawing our amendment. so what meant is there was what that meant is there was only labour the snp , one only the labour in the snp, one left. rightly then left. so snp quite rightly then asked, well can we vote on ours first then that's the normal way that goes. that that the procedure goes. that would a basically how you would be a basically how you would be a basically how you would expect things to go. that would expect things to go. that would be but there's been would be fair, but there's been no change. so they whether no change. so they asked whether the suspended. the house could be suspended. while was made. no while that decision was made. no decision has been made . so they decision has been made. so they chose to walk out and i completely respect that and i support well. support them with that as well. >> back, brendan, >> taking a step back, brendan, this is politics in an election yeah this is politics in an election year. that's why this stuff happens. are people happens. but there are people dying in gaza. israel's role is being scrutinised. do you think this reflects badly on the house of commons? >> yes, i think it does. um and i think as well, it's about respecting the institution. we

heard that a lot, uh, for various over the last various things over the last couple on. and couple of years or so on. and this the public were this is a the public were looking they say, looking at this and they say, what is actually what on earth is actually going on so speaking a couple what on earth is actually going onthe so speaking a couple what on earth is actually going onthe sc members a couple what on earth is actually going onthe scmembers on a couple what on earth is actually going onthe scmembers on the)uple what on earth is actually going onthe scmembers on the waye of the snp members on the way out and we said we are quite different really, different positions really, i think we all want see think we all want to see civilian deaths upping. we'd all like see form of like to see some form of ceasefire. we disagree how to do that. we have actually almost polar opposite views how polar opposite views on on how that should tonight , that should be done tonight, which going to vote on, which we were going to vote on, but agreed actually but we both agreed that actually we able to vote we should be able to vote on this and should it this and we should do it properly. we have properly. we shouldn't have these arguments and these procedural arguments and it a political it just turned into a political circus . circus. >> could m be a vote, m— m be a vote, do you >> could there be a vote, do you think, the think, or a debate on the position of speaker in the position of the speaker in the house shortly? house of commons shortly? >> i know that >> that's possible. i know that edm's been tabled. know a lot edm's been tabled. i know a lot of have have that. edm's been tabled. i know a lot othink have have that. edm's been tabled. i know a lot othink peoplee have that. edm's been tabled. i know a lot othink people deserve that. edm's been tabled. i know a lot othink people deserve answers. . i think people deserve answers. certainly. that's why we asked for the house be suspended, for the house to be suspended, why like the speaker why we'd like the speaker to come maybe explain the come back and maybe explain the rationale behind those rationale behind some of those decisions know of mps decisions. i know a lot of mps have getting abuse. there's have been getting abuse. there's a of thousands of people a lot of thousands of people outside. been having outside. we've been having marches and we completely get that mps safety. but what

marches and we completely get tha also mps safety. but what marches and we completely get tha also say/ips safety. but what marches and we completely get tha also say iss safety. but what marches and we completely get tha also say is these :y. but what marches and we completely get thaalso say is these oppositiont i'd also say is these opposition days, we've had them about sewage, we've had them about free school meals and eu referendum. >> by the way, back in the day, which i remember very difficult for, governing party, then. >> absolutely. i've targeted >> absolutely. i've had targeted attacks ads on me saying that i've voted certain way, and i've voted a certain way, and that's opposition are that's what opposition days are for. try and for. they're there to try and either government or either trip up the government or trip somebody else, and trip up somebody else, and that's what expect. but that's what you expect. but today been some some today there's been some some serious sort of shifting around there. has there. and i think this has caused very serious caused some very serious problems. and think it will go problems. and i think it will go a lot further than just tonight's a lot further than just ton the s a lot further than just ton the lesson here, if the >> the lesson here, if the speaker don't change rules speaker don't change the rules in parliament, really, it in parliament, really, when it looks doing helping looks like it's doing helping one and not the others, one side and not the others, well absolutely. well, absolutely. >> think people >> and i think some people suggested number suggested they could be a number of resignations from of frontbench resignations from laboun of frontbench resignations from labour. figures of labour. i'd heard figures of around 80 or 90 people were looking that looking at rebellion that there's that, know, there's rumours that, you know, keir thank keir starmer had said, thank you. for this earlier. he'll you. um for this earlier. he'll be breathing a sigh of relief when actually announced when it was actually announced that were to be that the votes were going to be in that they were. in the order that they were. it's a little nuanced it's probably a little nuanced at thinking , what's at home, people thinking, what's all about amendments and so

all this about amendments and so on. to on. and it doesn't make sense to people . think people on the doors. so i think what to that the what i'd say to them is that the process hasn't been followed properly. we believe we believe process hasn't been followed prop peoplee believe we believe process hasn't been followed prop peoplee beliebeene believe process hasn't been followed prop peoplee beliebeen cheatede process hasn't been followed prop p> time for an apology from the spewell, we'll see. of commons. >> time for an apology from the spewell, we'll see. think mmons. >> well, we'll see. i think certainly explanation. certainly an explanation. and that's wanted. hear that's what we wanted. we hear that's what we wanted. we hear that perhaps that he's back tomorrow. perhaps he'll use that as an opportunity to that. to do that. >> well thank you brendan clarke—smith. well brendan clarke—smith, to clarke—smith, they're trying to explain viewers listeners explain to viewers and listeners at gb news what on at home for gb news what on earth has happened the house earth has happened in the house of me, it's a of commons? for me, it's a straightforward don't straightforward lesson. don't change rules and look like change the rules and look like you're favouring side. it you're favouring one side. it always goes wrong. >> got to tell you, >> i've got to tell you, christopher, whilst were christopher, whilst you were just talking was just talking there, i was scanning , just talking there, i was scanning, um, just talking there, i was scanning , um, twitter just talking there, i was scanning, um, twitter or x or whatever you want to call it. i can tell you now, right. and i will be careful. i won't use any swear words, but people are absolutely furious. mean , absolutely furious. i mean, there's one guy here that says, i'm hospital at the i'm at the hospital at the moment seeing my dad , it would moment seeing my dad, it would appear that there are more sensible on this ward sensible people on this ward than westminster. what an than in westminster. what an embarrassment. thoughts about embarrassment. no thoughts about what on. just

what they're voting on. just the politics it. i've been. politics around it. i've been. i've it called sham i've seen it called a sham bills, a pantomime . uh, they're bills, a pantomime. uh, they're calling people basket cases. people really ? we seem to be people really? we seem to be furious out there because whilst those guys where you are, they're very concerned about parliamentary procedure for this is politics, people are more concerned about the children that are getting killed and stopping that. surely this kind of these kind of antics and this kind of behaviour and the focus of the mps, like the one you've just been speaking to there about procedure, surely that just disconnects people more from politics, doesn't it ? well, from politics, doesn't it? well, michel , from politics, doesn't it? well, michel, you're right, of course you're right. >> and your view and listener in hospital, of course . yeah, of hospital, of course. yeah, of course that is right. i mean, this essentially is parliament having a debate about international issue. let's be honest here. the snp pushed a vote using language which is going beyond the labour position to try and force labour mps to either support that position and

have to resign from the frontbench or not. the government wants to have its its vote normal . only the government vote normal. only the government can amend a an opposition motion , suck it up and deal with that debate or whether they whether they're going to, as you heard there from brendan clarke—smith, maybe 80 mps may have rebelled . maybe 80 mps may have rebelled. it caused problems it would have caused problems for . all of this is for keir starmer. all of this is about election . i mean, about the election. i mean, yes, it's gaza and israel, but it's about gaza and israel, but essentially we're in an election year party trying to cause problems for other parties , a problems for other parties, a divisive issue we know from our email inboxes is gaza and israel . and that's that is probably as much as addressing the issues. and it is a big issue. um that's also why the snp have phrased their motion in that way to cause problems for other parties. it's an issue these mps do care about gaza. they do care about israel , but they also care about israel, but they also care about israel, but they also care about politics. and that's what you've seen tonight. yeah, chris, i shall let you get back to things there. >> keep across it and i'll come straight you. should straight back to you. should

there further there be any further developments. there be any further developmen hope saying christopher, hope they're saying politicians about politicians do care, um, about gaza. politicians do care, um, about gaza . they do care about gaza. they do care about palestine. but they actually care more about getting re—elected . re—elected. >> and mean, i think where >> and i mean, i think where i agree, i certainly agree with you. think this has been an you. i think this has been an absolute appalling , you. i think this has been an absolute appalling, uh, appalling. i mean, i'm just appalling. uh i mean, i'm just astonished that actually that we've actually got to this position in the house of commons and, and where we were in a sensible position , i believed, sensible position, i believed, between the conservative party and the labour party, which is obviously our official opposition, where we had stuck together all this time . and the together all this time. and the fact that now keir starmer moved the goalposts over this last week, in my view , has led to week, in my view, has led to this, because you couldn't have really put a cigarette paper between the government and the official opposition. and by moving his position and in my view, by capitulating to some of these bullies and noisy people who are around who wanted to do this, i think he's made a grave, grave error and i don't think

he's fit to govern. frankly in the way that he's behaved, because this has set this this has set this ball rolling. and notwithstanding the speaker, obviously in the house of commons choosing to go against the normal protocols, which hasn't helped. i mean, ijust find it absolutely astonishing. mike i'm genuinely astonished that, um, a member of the governing party would think it odd that the opposition would have a different opinion than the government. >> i mean, that's opposite the government. >>the1ean, that's opposite the government. >>the job., that's opposite the government. >>the job. we'res opposite the government. >>the job. we're talking posite opinion. we're about. >> we're talking about. >> we're talking about. >> find issue. i know we >> i also find issue. i know we are. find it it's are. i also find it it's incredibly issue. incredibly serious issue. there's serious in incredibly serious issue. the world, serious in incredibly serious issue. theworld, possibly'ious in incredibly serious issue. the world, possibly other in incredibly serious issue. the world, possibly other than in the world, possibly other than ukraine um gaza. ukraine right now. um gaza. yeah, exactly . i'm just yeah, i know exactly. i'm just saying they're both important. gaza and ukraine are important. um, but but it's also completely understandable. normal. it understandable. and normal. it would odd if it didn't happen would be odd if it didn't happen that keir starmer would change his 4 or 5 month his view over a 4 or 5 month period. were period. we are now, as we were saying now up to saying before, we're now up to 30,000 gaza. of 30,000 deaths in gaza. of course, starmer is opinion 30,000 deaths in gaza. of co going starmer is opinion 30,000 deaths in gaza. of cogoing to starmer is opinion 30,000 deaths in gaza. of cogoing to move ner is opinion 30,000 deaths in gaza. of cogoing to move ands opinion 30,000 deaths in gaza. of cogoing to move and of pinion 30,000 deaths in gaza. of cogoing to move and of course is going to move and of course it's going to be more likely that come out and that he's going to come out and call clearly , as he has

call more clearly, as he has done for a humanity , an done for a humanity, an ceasefire. on. ceasefire. hang on. >> though, let's >> come on though, mike. let's let's for a second. let's be serious for a second. are telling keir are you telling me that keir starmer sitting starmer is sitting there and looking toll and looking at this death toll and genuinely his position? genuinely changing his position? or you think starmer is or do you think keir starmer is sitting at, for sitting there looking at, for example, of some example, the response of some of the voters , uh, looking the muslim voters, uh, looking at at his ratings , at looking at his ratings, looking how what do i need to looking at how what do i need to win, of these, how win, how many of these, how many? his position many? and actually his position is not because of, oh, is changed, not because of, oh, you that situation there, you know, that situation there, but because is that but more because of how is that going impact my success going to impact my success at the box? going to impact my success at the i'm box? going to impact my success at the i'm not)ox? going to impact my success at the i'm not in.? starmer >> i'm not in. keir starmer said. can't you why he's said. i can't tell you why he's changed but it changed his position, but it would to me keir would seem to me that keir starmer the only person starmer is not the only person who's changed his mind. for example, um, joe biden, president united states, he's been in glove been absolutely hand in glove with israel throughout all of this. he has now got to the point he's saying this. we point where he's saying this. we don't cannot invade rafah. don't we do cannot invade rafah. there to be a ceasefire. i there needs to be a ceasefire. i do not keir is do not vote. keir starmer is only in the way that only moved in the way that joe biden don't vote to biden is moved. we don't vote to say for biden. >> i don't were keir starmer has lost the plot here. when we've ever been in position ever been in a position historically over these years,

whether it was iraq that was very s conflicts that we've been involved in, the government in the official opposition, will normally be hand in hand because we are then showing the position of the united kingdom. and this in my view, has has the way keir starmer has acted over the last week or so has really, in my view, um, put them really right back on this. >> i'm just going to show you actually, if you're watching that moment actually, because we're discussing what she's we're just discussing what she's gone on in west minster, the snp and the tory mps have walked out of the commons. let's look at that moment . of the commons. let's look at that moment. no, no , no, you that moment. no, no, no, you will listen to the points of . will listen to the points of. order and listen politely . order and listen politely. >> it looks so bad on such an important issue , on such an important issue, on such an important issue, on such an important issue. and no point in shouting me down now to our constituents if they just see people who are raising perfectly

reasonable points of order that they're just shouted down. not good, not good, sir chris bryant, there are perfectly legitimate views on different sides as to the propriety of today's proceedings . today's proceedings. >> however , i would just say >> however, i would just say gently to some honourable members opposite who have said that you cannot possibly have an opposition day motion being amended by another opposition party that some of the members who are shouting the loudest . who are shouting the loudest. about . for yourself, the about. for yourself, the government to leave the premises would be the government. >> yeah , there you go. >> yeah, there you go. >> yeah, there you go. >> i'm telling you, that is very unprecedented up there. go. you will listen, she says. i don't think, sir. they certainly did not. i've got to say, many people in touch, people have been in touch, deeply of the deeply offended by one of the signs that of the protesters signs that one of the protesters

was , uh, when patrick was holding up, uh, when patrick christys talking to them. of christys was talking to them. of course, we apologise any course, we apologise for any offence now , offence caused. look, for now, mike buckley, jacqueline foster, thank you for your time. don't go anywhere. nigel farage. we'll continue a continue this conversation in a couple night couple of minutes. night >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> this is your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. good evening, i'm alex deakin. more wet and windy weather to come, particularly lively gusts tomorrow across parts of the south. we've seen plenty of rain today from this set of weather fronts . they are set of weather fronts. they are heading into the sea , heading out into the north sea, but more are following on behind, bringing showery rain to northern ireland and a good part of scotland through this evening. now for most of england and , much of the night and wales, much of the night will clear. could will be dry and clear. could turn misty. 1 or 2 fog turn a little misty. 1 or 2 fog patches places, look more patches in places, but look more heavy. returns by the time heavy. rain returns by the time we towards dawn. a mild we get towards dawn. a mild night again across the south, but starting little

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perhaps the most dramatic scenes in parliament witnessed in living memory following a highly controversial decision by the speaken controversial decision by the speaker, sir lindsay hoyle , to speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, to allow a labour member a labour amendment on the day that was supposed to be the snp's. >> of course , everyone is >> of course, everyone is talking about gaza , nothing to talking about gaza, nothing to do with uk politics at all, but it's so dramatic that conservative and snp members of the house of commons literally recently walked out of the chamber. demands for the speaker himself to return to the house of commons. chaos. absolute chaos, a bad reflection in many ways on our elected representatives that will dominate the next hour . but dominate the next hour. but first, let's get the news headunes first, let's get the news headlines from polly middlehurst i >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, it has indeed been an extraordinary half an hour in the house of commons here in london. we can tell you that the latest line is, as we show you, those live

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