of the house sir lindsay speaker of the house sir lindsay hoyle decided that he was going to take on board a labour amendment as well, which was a break away from convention. and there were some suggestions that that was sir keir starmer politicking ahead of the forthcoming guest at general election later on this year, that of course, just the just the idea of a few analysts that were circling around westminster and there has been astonishing scenes in westminster this evening after what happened after that, the government withdrew. then its amendment to the snp's motion on that ceasefire in gaza. don't forget , ceasefire in gaza. don't forget, of course, there are protesters outside of the house of commons today demanding a ceasefire in the middle east and inside the house of commons. quite a different set of circumstances . different set of circumstances. it does seem to be about politics rather than peace. well that ceasefire that was proposed today, today in the house of commons and the subsequent amendment that was put forward

prompted mps from the snp to leave the chamber. and we saw christopher hope, our political edhon christopher hope, our political editor, talking to conservative mps who then followed them in support of the snp, saying that it was too much of a departure from procedure to be the correct way forward in the house of commons. on a matter of this magnitude. that left labour only on its own to vote on its amendment and there were also lines of news which were coming through that labour was voting on whether or not to sit in private. anyway, we're trying to make sense scene you make sense of this scene for you now the house of commons as now in the house of commons as mps. that half empty mps. and that half empty chamber. or not chamber. consider whether or not the house be voting on the house should be voting on this in private. it's this in private. now, it's a rare step. it hasn't happened. we understand since 2001, and that would force members of the pubuc that would force members of the public to leave and live broadcasts from the commons would also have to stop. so you can imagine how much of a departure from what we're used to seeing in the house of commons. this is the official

record of what said would not be produced either. that also unprecedented, certainly in the last couple of decades here in british politics. well, earlier on, the commons leader, penny mordaunt, said the government would take no part in votes on the snp led opposition day debate on gaza . that meant the debate on gaza. that meant the government's amendment today . government's amendment today. their vote would no longer go ahead, making labour's amendment the only one to be voted on tonight. that vote still taking place and we are monitoring events in the house of commons. you can see if you're watching on television, pictures on television, live pictures coming to us of sir lindsay hoyle in the chamber, trying to regain some semblance of control there. and we do understand that snp mps do appear to have filed back into the commons, including the former leader, ian blackford . it looks like they're going back in and they are now sat down, listening to sir lindsay hoyle. let's listen in and hear what they're trying to say, because am very , very because i am very, very concerned about the security of

all members . all members. >> let me just state this way i was very concerned. i am still concerned. and that's why the meetings i've had today is about the security of members, their families and the people that are involved . and i've got to say, i involved. and i've got to say, i regret that. i which send it up that was not my intention . i that was not my intention. i wanted the all i want it all to ensure they could express their views and all sides of the house could vote as it was in particularly the snp were ultimately unable to vote on their proposition . i am, and i their proposition. i am, and i regret it with the deepness . regret it with the deepness. with my sadness that it ended up on like that in this position.

that was never my intention for it to end up like this. i was absolutely , absolutely convinced absolutely, absolutely convinced that the decision was done with the right intentions . i the right intentions. i recognise , i recognise the recognise, i recognise the strength of feeling of members on this issue. clear today has not shown the house at its best. i will reflect on my concern . i i will reflect on my concern. i will reflect on my part in that of the course . i commit myself of the course. i commit myself to ensuring that all members of this house are treated fairly. i do not. i do not want it to have ended like this. i want to say to the house, i will meet with all the key players of each party. i think it is right that i meet with each ones and that can i just put that correct?

i've never met with sue gray today. i didn't bump into it today. i didn't bump into it today. i'm offended by that comment . i today. i'm offended by that comment. i think you'd like to withdraw it . henri paul yeah comment. i think you'd like to withdraw it. henri paul yeah , of withdraw it. henri paul yeah, of course that is the danger that we've ended up with this house's speculation of not what is fact and not factual . i speculation of not what is fact and not factual. i am speculation of not what is fact and not factual . i am honest to and not factual. i am honest to this house. i am true to this house.i this house. i am true to this house. i believe in all members of this house, and i tried to do . i have tried to do what i thought was the right thing for all sides of this house. it is regrettable and i oppose st giles' for the decision that didn't end up in the place that i wished for. so i would say now that i say now, i will meet with the all the just just be quiet please. i will meet with the leaders and with the chief whips and let us have a discussion on what is the best way forward to

try and ensure that . and i say try and ensure that. and i say again, i thought i was doing the right thing and the best thing, and i regret it. and i apologise for how it's ended up. i do share responsibility for my actions and that's why i want to meet . and that's why i want to meet. and that's why i want to meet. and that's why i want to meet with the key players who have been involved. a leader of the house. >> thank you, mr speaker , for >> thank you, mr speaker, for coming to the house for saying that you were. >> well, there you have it. you heard it live. speaker of the house hoyle , offering house lindsay hoyle, offering an apology house as penny apology to the house as penny mordaunt stands up to comment on those extraordinary scenes we've just seen in the house of commons london. commons here in london. sir lindsay saying i regret it lindsay hoyle saying i regret it was not my intention that he said to cause this mess , that said to cause this mess, that the would be unable to vote the snp would be unable to vote on its preposition . it's on its preposition. it's regrettable. i apology lies. i am true to this house. i will now meet with leaders and whips to mollify this situation.

extraordinary scenes in the house of commons will monitor them consistently for you. let's get some analysis now from nigel . farage. good evening. >> well, i think some of the most dramatic scenes in the house of commons, certainly in living memory and maybe some of the most dramatic for a couple of because today was of centuries, because today was supposed to be the day that we had the snp motion, and this was a motion about gaza. but the way nothing has happen today has anything to do with the united kingdom, nothing to do with the cost of living, nothing to do with open door immigration, nothing to do with the national health service. this is all about about gaza. that is what is now dominating british politics. it is, of course, a direct result of the increasing sectarianism in british politics and in particular within the labour party, because keir starmer is tried from the start,

ever since the 7th of october to take a relatively nuanced position. on the one hand, that israel has the right to defend itself. but on the other that we don't want to see excess casualties in gaza. but that line has become harder and harder for him to take. as many in the labour movement, particularly those on the muslim side of politics, are speaking out about the way israel is behaving and calling it a genocide. which of course, in any historical sense is a complete and utter outrage . that complete and utter outrage. that is the genesis of all of this . is the genesis of all of this. and what happened was the snp had a motion down to be voted on in the house of commons. now, bearin in the house of commons. now, bear in mind, this is not legislative. it's not executive. it doesn't change anything, least of all here, and certainly not in gaza itself . but it's not in gaza itself. but it's a statement of intent of where british political parties sit. now, i'm sure there are many of you out there saying, do you know what? this is not our priority. well no, that may well be right, but it's been the

priority of parliament and almost the obsession of a labour party for the few months. party for the last few months. well, snp were asking for well, the snp were asking for was immediate ceasefire in was an immediate ceasefire in gaza and in israel. they condemned any military assault, namely what may be about to happenin namely what may be about to happen in rafah and most controversially, they want an end to the collective punishment of the palestinian people. it's a motion effectively so , saying a motion effectively so, saying that israel should give up , that that israel should give up, that israel should surrender , that israel should surrender, that there should be no attempt to go after hamas, who not only committed those atrocities on the 7th of october, but have promised to repeat them now . promised to repeat them now. now, that was what was supposed to be debated and voted on today with a government amendment against it. but what sir lindsay hoyle, the speaker, did this morning, was he allowed allowed a labour amendment to an snp motion . okay, i'm trying not to motion. okay, i'm trying not to lose you, but in effect, the labour party amendment was really a peace offering to their

own backbenchers, an attempt not to split the party. the last time there was a vote on whether there should be an immediate ceasefire, 56 labour mps, including eight frontbenchers, went against sir keir starmer. so sir lindsay hoyle, who is neutral as the speaker. but remember, remember has been was elected to begin with as a labour mp, has made what is being seen by many as a highly partisan political gesture which , incidentally, we're told, breaks . article 31 of the breaks. article 31 of the standing orders of the house of commons. and he does it much to the favour of the labour party . the favour of the labour party. and that has caused anger that has caused outrage. so much so that william wragg , a that william wragg, a conservative backbench member of parliament, has even put down a motion saying the speaker should be replaced. an extra . be replaced. an extra. ordinarily, whilst much of this debate was going on, sir lindsay

hoyle was literally nowhere to be seen and the most dramatic moment that came , and we can see moment that came, and we can see this footage on our screens right now , was when snp and right now, was when snp and conservative members of parliament lit, walked out of the house of commons, leaving the house of commons, leaving the whole thing in a state of complete and utter chaos . then complete and utter chaos. then there came a labour motion for there came a labour motion for the debate to continue . you but the debate to continue. you but to do so in private. and that would mean not just the public galleries being cleared, but radio and television transmissions would have to have stopped as well . this did happen stopped as well. this did happen back in 2001, when terrorist was being discussed, and as a matter of national security, it was felt that mps should be able to debate very sensitive matters in private. but but the idea that labour even put this motion forward, why should this be debated in private? this is not

a matter of national security . a matter of national security. this is about what's happening in israel and gaza. this is the extent to which religious sectarianism is now dominating british politics and the house of commons. it is regrettable, to say the very least. well, sir lindsay hoyle has reappeared to a very, very stormy house of commons accusations being made that he met with sue gray the real boss of the labour party. these days, and he denied that very, very strongly in the house of commons. but there's also talk that the labour party said to sir lindsay hoyle, you know what, you know what? unless you keep unless you keep our motion there, we are, and we certainly won't be allowing you to be the speaker if we win the next election . some of the truth of election. some of the truth of this, we probably will never, ever know . but it this, we probably will never, ever know. but it is an extraordinary decision that hoyle made. if it takes us back to the days of john bercow. in fact, some sarcastically were

shouting out bring back john bercow when bercow was seen to make very, very controversial decisions in terms of what votes he allowed, what amendments he allowed during the whole brexit debacle , which went on pretty debacle, which went on pretty much for two years. however dramatic, however passionate the scenes were in westminster dunng scenes were in westminster during brexit, they are, frankly, as of nothing compared to what we have seen today . that to what we have seen today. that is my take on it. i'm very pleased to say that i'm joined now live live from westminster by christopher hope gb news political editor. christopher, good evening . welcome to the good evening. welcome to the program . this has been moving so program. this has been moving so quickly. i'd love to know what is the current state of play ? is the current state of play? >> well, the current state of play >> well, the current state of play is mps are wandering around the members lobby , very near to the members lobby, very near to where i'm standing in houses of parliament not parliament now. nigel, not knowing what to do. you heard that extraordinary statement knowing what to do. you heard that eon aordinary statement knowing what to do. you heard that eon aord news statement knowing what to do. you heard that eon aord news bulletin it knowing what to do. you heard that eon aord news bulletin with there on the news bulletin with polly. uh saying there that that

the speaker essentially apologised , saying this is not apologised, saying this is not where the position he'd wanted to happen. almost to my mind, begging for his job. i mean, i've been talking to mps. they think his position is getting untenable over this row . now, untenable over this row. now, what that means is, is you don't normally have, um, speaker as even normally have, um, speaker as ever, having their jobs questioned . questioned, um, why questioned. questioned, um, why is happening now viewers might wonder why on earth this has fallen apart in the house of commons tonight. this is an election year. nigel. the snp want to raise the issue of an immediate ceasefire. that is their honest opinion. the government won't go as far as that. some labour mps want to go to the snp's position , but they to the snp's position, but they feel they can't and that's what's happening in in a year of, of an election. and that's why the snp are pushing it. it has caused division. they knew that the wording of their motion meant some labour would meant that some labour mps would have it, and then have to support it, and then probably frontbench probably resign frontbench roles. so labour stepped up with its amendment. normally that

couldn't be selected because he can't amend an opposition amendment, but the speaker allowed it to go ahead . allowed it to go ahead. essentially a game of essentially in a game of football, the referee has changed the rules. moments before the game starts and so that change favours one team, not the other. and therefore the other teams have walked out , other teams have walked out, walked out of a house of commons. it's very, very difficult. he's meeting tomorrow morning the leaders of all morning with the leaders of all the main parties, their the main parties, plus their chief . this is the biggest chief whips. this is the biggest crisis that's a point of order. >> yeah. i mean, i mean, i mean, chris point of order and what what happens next? do we get a vote on this tonight or don't we in this place today in being utterly embarrassed, we i think we don't get a vote on it tonight. >> they voted on trying to hold a session in private . this goes a session in private. this goes ahead.the a session in private. this goes ahead. the snp may be granted their opposition day debate again. we may go through all this again in a few weeks time. but as things stand, there's no vote tonight. but i think what people outside are campaign. the

palestinian protesters outside make i don't know. it is make of it. i don't know. it is not edifying for parliament for this to happen. you're right. but equally we are in an election year and politics is at play election year and politics is at play . play. >> two quick points, christopher , before i let you go, the first in your long, long, long career covering what goes on in parliament, have you ever seen anything like it? and the second part and the second part of the question is, do you think our viewers have a right to say what the hell is going on? what does this have to do with me ? my this have to do with me? my life, my standard of living? do you think the public will just look at this as westminster games ? games? >> on the last point, yes, it is westminster games i have never seen. i've seen some mps walk out during the budget . the snp, out during the budget. the snp, alex salmond, nigel used to lead his mps out during the budget as a show of, uh, of upset about the way the uk government was spending scotland's money. scotland's oil money. i have

never seen two political parties, two of the three main parties, two of the three main parties leave the chamber and thatis parties leave the chamber and that is all on the speaker. the speaker of the house of commons had not changed the rules today , had not changed the rules today, gone against precedent . uh, he gone against precedent. uh, he his defence by the way, i should say, nigel, he did it because he felt that all mps wanted to vote for something. he felt that mps are being threatened their are being threatened in their local therefore local seats and therefore give them a an opt out. and that was what the labour option was. he wasn't part of wasn't trying to be part of political, his friends say, but let me you, there is fury let me tell you, there is fury about position. about his role and his position. it edifying thing. um, i'm it is an edifying thing. um, i'm afraid this is politics. in an election . election year. >> yeah. unedifying but somehow different . uh, chris hope, thank different. uh, chris hope, thank you. and different folks, i think because and i've been using this word, i think before anybody sectarianism , religious anybody sectarianism, religious sectarianism , that is what we sectarianism, that is what we are seeing in british politics. i believe that. and it's a word i believe that. and it's a word i think you'll hear a lot more of. sadly over the course of the next few years. i'm very pleased

to be joined now by ivor caplan, chair of the jewish labour movement, former member of parliament of course, parliament and of course, a former defence minister. um, thank you very much indeed, ivor , for joining thank you very much indeed, ivor , forjoining us on this very , , for joining us on this very, very dramatic evening. i mean, l, very dramatic evening. i mean, i, i put it to you that the sort of almost not just growth of anti—semitism, but almost mainstreaming of anti—semitism, of anti—semitism , um, and the of anti—semitism, um, and the growth of islamism within certain parts of the labour party. that's what's led, isn't it, to this chaos today. >> well, nigel, if i may just start by saying i'm former , uh, start by saying i'm former, uh, member, uh, leader of, uh, jewish labour movement . so just jewish labour movement. so just so we correct . sorry about that. so we correct. sorry about that. uh, just for the purposes. look, |, uh, just for the purposes. look, i, i agree, and i've said constantly that there have been very high levels of anti—semitism. we saw that in some of the reports , um, a some of the reports, um, a couple of weeks ago . uh, whilst

couple of weeks ago. uh, whilst a lot of it is down to what we've been seeing , you know, in we've been seeing, you know, in london on, on, uh, saturdays, it's not a very nice, uh , it's not a very nice, uh, experience to go and be in london on a saturday when people are charging around and shouting about, you know, we must have a ceasefire now. we must have a ceasefire now. we must have a ceasefire as i've said constantly, and i and i know, you know, you and others have said similar things. there's no way of getting to a ceasefire over night. that's for the birds . international diplomacy has to come. if we're going to get to a ceasefire. and i think from both, um, the, the, the, the, you know, from both jewish and muslim , uh, religions , i think muslim, uh, religions, i think we all want to see, um, issues resolved so that both of those, uh , religions in particular can uh, religions in particular can start to see things fairly and

squarely again , uh, in, in the squarely again, uh, in, in the right way. and i think that's part of what, what we need to get to as a, as from, from the house of commons point of view, certainly, but just generally from the british public. well i understand that i've of course, very well, but isn't the problem here that those who have sympathies that tend towards the hamas position. >> and i say that as opposed to outright support for a completely banned terrorist organisation , but those whose organisation, but those whose sympathies tend that way when they march in london, they don't just say ceasefire . now they just say ceasefire. now they talk about from the river to the sea, knowing exactly what they're saying and what we now have. i'm afraid, um, is a growing number of people in this country and not all of them are muslims, even though there's quite a lot of there's quite a lot of other people appear to be on these marches and probably, you the right

you know, part of the mob. right right outside house of right outside the house of commons, literally , as you commons, literally, as you and i are speaking, isn't the problem here that what we're dealing with isn't just two sides of a dispute? you know, you and i can disagree on brexit or whatever it strong positions. disagree on brexit or whatever it problem strong positions. disagree on brexit or whatever it problem here ng positions. disagree on brexit or whatever it problem here is positions. disagree on brexit or whatever it problem here is that tions. disagree on brexit or whatever it problem here is that there's the problem here is that there's a growing voice and we're seeing it country too, that it in our country too, that literally wants israel destroyed as a country. and frankly , wants as a country. and frankly, wants its people wiped out . isn't that its people wiped out. isn't that the heart of the problem ? the heart of the problem? >> i have to say that, uh, there was rather a, um, strange set of conversations. i think about 24 hours ago. yes, i can, i'm looking at six people in other three, uh, organisations , three, uh, organisations, regions. um, we're talking about, you know, how israel needed to be dealt with, how hamas should have the rights to destroy israel and all these sort of things, and, and, and at the centre of , of what needs to the centre of, of what needs to happen apart from the obvious things of international diplomas

, kc which both you and i will be familiar with, but what also needs to happen is we need to get to a point where there is a proper two state solution for the long terme future of israel. yes, a great country in my view, and of palestine , because and of palestine, because palestine deserves its own, um, place to in this and that's why since 1997, the, you know , the since 1997, the, you know, the issue about a two state solution has always been at the centre of what we want. i actually think that, you know, it would be good for britain and for the european union and for the us, of course , union and for the us, of course, to try and come together and actually have some conversations about how do we get to a two state solution, work with that, because then you can start to deal with taking out , uh, hamas deal with taking out, uh, hamas and hamas have been an awful organisation to palestinians , organisation to palestinians, let alone to what they did on

the 7th of october in israel, which was a complete and utter disgrace and should never be allowed again . allowed again. >> yeah. i mean, you know, i'm talking to you from america where the white house position now is that there should be a temporary ceasefire as soon as is practicable . and that sounds is practicable. and that sounds okay, but just getting back to your point about hamas , how can your point about hamas, how can your point about hamas, how can you have and this is perhaps a very difficult question to answer. and must be an incredible bind for the israeli government. how can you have a ceasefire and how can it even be practically be possible if all the while hamas are publicly boasting that they will repeat the atrocities of the 7th of october does make it rather difficult , doesn't it? yeah, difficult, doesn't it? yeah, i look, i think from where you are at the moment, i think in washington, nigel, you know , washington, nigel, you know, you're very close to the white house there, and i'm absolutely

sure that in the white house they are really, really thinking of how they're going to get to future. >> that is the benefit of both. pallister and israel , >> that is the benefit of both. pallister and israel, and >> that is the benefit of both. pallister and israel , and that pallister and israel, and that doesn't contain hamas of any sort. and stopping hamas is absolute critical to this. i think for, for, for, for, for the world. you know, i agree with that. >> and i mean, look, you know, the abraham accords, let's face it, they were an american achievement , you know, getting achievement, you know, getting israel to sign up to the normalisation of relations and trade and tourism and all of those things with a number of arab countries and saudi arabia on the verge of joining it. now i think there is great dismay here in washington that those achievements are being destroyed. let's get back to destroyed. but let's get back to sort of finish off if we can. on with the labour party. you know, we direction that we know the direction that jeremy corbyn took. the labour party in. and i've been i've been very complimentary about

sir keir starmer on this one point that he really has, and i genuinely believe did his best. and, you know, getting rid of corbyn, said he can't stand again, saying we're a different party. we've changed. we've left all this behind us. this to me seemed to be starmer's biggest achievement and in many ways, you know , a sort of you know, a sort of detoxification of the labour brand. that's where we were until the 7th of october. but now you can see and we've got, you know, people being suspended from the party. and i won't get into the details of various elections that might be taking place. but what does starmer place. um but what does starmer do now? i mean, if he's too tough on those that don't want israel to exist , then you israel to exist, then you probably finish up, don't you? by probably finish up, don't you? by the 2029 election, with the party to the left of labour, with predominantly muslim support , what does he do now . support, what does he do now. >> well, look, nigel, we're in

an election year. everyone is fraught about this. you know that. i know that we can see it on on all, uh, broadcasts that are going on at the same. true. of course , in america as well. of course, in america as well. the same thing is happening there for us in the labour party. we've been very clear about the changes that needed to make. and i think keir starmer has done a fantastic job since 2020. in driving that change. and i think in general terms , and i think in general terms, the public do have an empathy with the labour party . we've with the labour party. we've been out of office for 14 years. we've learned these hard, uh, issues that are there and we know that , you know, to make an know that, you know, to make an ask people to vote for the labour party is a big thing to do . and as i've said, constantly do. and as i've said, constantly , not a single vote has yet been cast. , not a single vote has yet been cast . and therefore we've still cast. and therefore we've still got to make sure that we're not just saying to people, you know, that this is the right thing to

do. we've actually got to give them the reasons to vote for the labour party. and i think over the next few weeks , we will see the next few weeks, we will see that in much more detail from keir starmer and his team. this has been a distraction to some extent. that's not that we're not, you know, absolute clear about what we want to do with israel and palestine. the two state stuff that i just talked about. but at the same time, you've got all the internal issues here in, in the uk that have got to be dealt with as well. and there are lots of issues. the nhs comes to mind and others that that will need. the labour party to be in that good place . good place. >> yeah. no, no of course there are lots, there's lots of stuff with the nhs and immigration numbers and cost of living and real bread and butter, things that really matter to people. um, and yet it just seems to me that this gaza debate could dominate the labour party for a long time. i mean, final question to you, if i may, and

thank you joining me. has thank you for joining me. has sectarian politics now arrived in britain . sectarian politics now arrived in britain. in. >> um, in terms of that, but i think there are issues in many of the religions that do need to be dealt with. um, but i think in general terms, nigel, i'd rather say that i hope that doesn't ever happen . okay doesn't ever happen. okay >> ivor caplin, thank you very much indeed for coming on and over there. you know , clearly over there. you know, clearly very, very, very passionate . you very, very, very passionate. you know, the labour party has been a huge part of his life. he's represented it. he's done so much for it . represented it. he's done so much for it. it must be heartbreaking for people like him to see what is happening. and for keir starmer to see this really not whilst not yet damaging his election chances, making much of the work he's tried to do in the last couple of years really, really difficult. now we're going to go

back hope, back to chris hope, our political before we political editor. but before we do that , let's just have a look do that, let's just have a look at this extraordinary moment when not just the snp, because as was accurately pointed out, you know, alex salmond often used to lead snp walkouts during the budget. we weren't giving scotland enough money, clearly. um, but for conservative mps to leave the chamber en masse, let's just have a look at that moment . yes. okay. i can hear moment. yes. okay. i can hear you . so there you are. i mean, you. so there you are. i mean, quite extraordinary . you know, quite extraordinary. you know, as i say, the snp walking out one thing, but the conservative members of parliament to walk out en masse , uh, really is out en masse, uh, really is pretty extraordinary stuff. and it shows us the anger at sir lindsay hoyle and i. i don't know , you know, he may well have know, you know, he may well have finally come back into the chair and said that he regrets what's happened. um i would have thought sir lindsay hoyle is.

yeah, i would thought he's literally fighting for his survival as speaker. i don't think that's too great an exaggeration , but a man with his exaggeration, but a man with his ear closer to the ground than me , physically in every sense, is, of course , phys|cally |n every sense, |s, of course , , physically in every sense, is, of course , chris hope, who joins of course, chris hope, who joins me again live from westminster. chris, it difficult to see how lindsay hoyle survives. this isn't it? i mean, the anger is the anger is astonishing . the anger is astonishing. >> yeah, he's playing with fire. you heard that, didn't you? just then, uh, nigel, that that statement around 7:00, he said he was sorry . statement around 7:00, he said he was sorry. this statement around 7:00, he said he was sorry . this wasn't he was sorry. this wasn't somewhere. somewhere he wanted to end up. but i've been standing in the house of commons central lobby just now, and mps are furious. we've got labour mp jess phillips really upset, saying how can we expect people to lay down arms if we can't lay down words ? the amendments, down words? the amendments, which labour proposed has now gone through unchallenged. the

snp have walked out from the house of commons with mps, with the entire party of the tory party it's not expected. it shows that the tension in this place over the gaza issue combined that with the issue of the election approaching, in short order later this year, you've got a very , very tense you've got a very, very tense place. parliament i think, that bubbled over today when the referee in charge was accused of taking the sides of helping labour mps out of a sticky hole, allowing themselves to vote for allowing themselves to vote for a motion which fitted their party policy not having to vote for the snp policy of a much tougher line on the ceasefire. and that's where we are at the moment. number 10 is staying well out of this. i've asked, um, privately has, uh, what's the view on does, does uh, mr sunak rishi sunak the pm have , sunak rishi sunak the pm have, um, confidence in, in the speaker they're saying correctly, it's a house of commons matter. we will see this play commons matter. we will see this play out tomorrow. tomorrow is leader of the house of commons

questions. mordaunt. questions. um, penny mordaunt. of she gave that of course. she gave that statement earlier , making clear statement earlier, making clear that the tory party was withdrawing from the from the for vote . it could be a very for the vote. it could be a very difficult time tomorrow for lindsay entirely lindsay hoyle. it's entirely a crisis of his own making . he crisis of his own making. he didn't have to do this. he should probably have all should probably have let it all just like has done just play out like it has done previously. covering previously. i've been covering parliament for 20 years now. i've difficult opposition i've seen difficult opposition day debates are day debates. these debates are are worded the are scheduled to make sure make it difficult for the governing party mps to vote for it or vote against it by stepping in, by getting involved , to try and make it easier for some labour mps to vote in a way which they felt it was more reflective of their position. he's made it much worse. i think for them , so it's really, for them, so it's really, really difficult times here. um, in the house commons for house of commons here for lindsay we're to lindsay hoyle, we're trying to get the show, get more guests on the show, nigel, i can get more nigel, and when i can get more to camera, to come to the camera, we'll bnng to come to the camera, we'll bring them you straight away. >> yeah. no, absolutely . do. and >> yeah. no, absolutely. do. and just one thing, if you may , just one thing, if you may, chris. there's thing chris. there's one thing i didn't understand . and i'm didn't quite understand. and i'm

sure lots of things we sure there are lots of things we don't about don't understand fully about today, i didn't quite get is today, but i didn't quite get is when hoyle went back into the chair , you know, gave his chair, you know, and he gave his regrets . he chair, you know, and he gave his regrets. he said he was chair, you know, and he gave his regrets . he said he was sorry, regrets. he said he was sorry, was he sorry for the furore , or was he sorry for the furore, or was he sorry for the furore, or was he sorry for the furore, or was he sorry for allowing the labour amendment ? i didn't quite labour amendment? i didn't quite pick up the distinction there of what he was actually saying. okay >> yeah. so, so lindsay hoyle team, tell me that what the speaker was trying to do was he was recognising lots of mps across all parties are under pressure locally from their constituents . the whole issue of constituents. the whole issue of gaza, hamas , israel has fiercely gaza, hamas, israel has fiercely divided communities. gaza, hamas, israel has fiercely divided communities . we know divided communities. we know that from our postbag at gb news, he was trying to find a way that would allow mps to vote for something and a way forward, and that's why he tried to create this third option by going against the rules set out in 1979. the reasoning was that back then, there were only two main parties. now there are three. snp is seen to be

three. the snp is seen to be a major party with its dozens of mps, that's why he did it. mps, and that's why he did it. he was to be helpful to he was trying to be helpful to mps under pressure locally, and it wasn't really in his mind or his team's mind as a party political because that's how it appeared and what he's doing here. he's messing with the delicate balance in parliament of the rules are what they are. they be we saw of the rules are what they are. theyduring3e we saw of the rules are what they are. theyduring brexit. we saw of the rules are what they are. theyduring brexit. it we saw of the rules are what they are. theyduring brexit. it massively that during brexit. it massively queers the pitch. i think on future opposition day debates when if the rules don't apply now, will they apply? apply again in a future issue which may be awkward for the governing party, the tories, not just for labour and that's why he's really playing with fire, and he's doing so in an election year. he's doing so in an election year . was to do the year. he was trying to do the best thing in his terms, best thing in his in his terms, it's gone completely wrong and tomorrow will play out. there'll be he'll meet with the chief whips from all parties and whips from all the parties and the party leaders to apologise . the party leaders to apologise. tries to work out a way forward , tries to work out a way forward, but position looking but his position is looking questionable tonight. that's been made to me very clear by mps here. will he get through

this ? while the last mp to quit this? while the last mp to quit the speaker was michael martin over the mp expenses scandal in 2009. we are not there yet, nigel, but this is getting very, very tricky for the speaker to survive . survive. >> no it is, and it sort of does bnng >> no it is, and it sort of does bring back shades of memory from john bercow, who during the brexit debates did on more than one occasion break with normal precedent of that. there's no doubt. but you see, if i was , if doubt. but you see, if i was, if i was and i understand william wragg is talking about putting down a motion of no confidence in the speaker. it's not difficult, is it, if i'm william wragg or someone like that to say, well, a second, you say, well, hang on a second, you know, sir lindsay hoyle may be the speaker and may be seen to be neutral, but actually has been a member of the labour party all of his life, has been a labour mp . his father before a labour mp. his father before him was a labour mp, went on to become a labour peer. you know, this is a family steeped in the labour party who have made a highly partisan varne decision outside the normal rules that

massively favours the labour party. at a moment when sir keir starmer is facing , without a starmer is facing, without a doubt, the biggest challenge of his leadership. if i'm an angry tory backbencher , i'm going to tory backbencher, i'm going to want this to be brought to a vote, aren't i? >> well, you might do. and normally those votes, of course, aren't secret for the speaker of the commons . aren't secret for the speaker of the commons. it's quite hard. a lot of mps don't really want to speak out and come on air with us and elsewhere , us on gb news and elsewhere, because they speak because they feel if they speak out against the speaker, he would them to would then won't call them to speak of commons. speak in the house of commons. it's powerful it's a very, very powerful position. when worked position. i recall when i worked for nigel, revealed for telegraph, nigel, i revealed how john bercow voted to remain in the brexit referendum and that caused a huge problem because the speaker has to be seen to be impartial at all times in their private and pubuc times in their private and public utterances, and by doing what he did, it appears he was favouring labour. i've got a statement here sent to me just now from by michael fabricant, the mp. he says this the the tory mp. he says this the lesson mr speaker, should learn it is never wise to tamper with

the benches of the house of commons, both written and unwritten. it works by interfering . he has caused utter interfering. he has caused utter chaos and damaged his and the house's reputation. but mr fabncant house's reputation. but mr fabricant says it's not over for the speaker. he's admitted his mistake, but it must not happen again. it may be. it just may be that that apology from the speaker's chair at 7:00 tonight might have saved his job. >> well, it might, chris. hope we will see what's for certain. don't go away. by the way , what don't go away. by the way, what is for certain is we're in for a very , very dramatic day again very, very dramatic day again tomorrow . now, one thing ivor tomorrow. now, one thing ivor kaplan talked about where the protests , the marches that we've protests, the marches that we've seen happening in london and other cities are happening. well, pretty much every saturday. and some pretty unpleasant things at times being chanted and being said and some very disturbing imagery as well . very disturbing imagery as well. flags that look like isis.

very disturbing imagery as well. flags that look like isis . and flags that look like isis. and of course, the famous case of the three women with the paragliders on the back of their anoraks. but whilst we, of course do give people the right to protest in our country and, and whilst we're used to having campaigning groups and little protests outside the house of commons, and one in particular can think of the loud mouthed, slightly thuggish steve bray, who's been out there abusing anyone that supports brexit. now for about the last eight years. i wonder whether what happened outside and what is happening as we speak out outside the house of commons right now , actually of commons right now, actually moves ever so slightly beyond what we would consider to be normal protests almost becoming slightly intimidatory. i don't know , but gb news is adam cherry know, but gb news is adam cherry has been down looking at these protests today, and he joins me now from the westminster studio. adam, tell us, please , please, adam, tell us, please, please, what you've witnessed, what you've seen. love to know what

the mood in there in parliament square is like and whether it could perhaps be seen to be intimidatory in some way. >> well, nigel, i was there earlier this afternoon at about 4:30, which was just before it really started to swell. at the moment it's extraordinary. the whole of parliament square footage you're seeing here is from earlier when it was it was relatively tame, but the whole of parliament square is now completely full of protesters. and i'm told in the last few minutes that it is now getting slightly more hostile out there . slightly more hostile out there. of course, it's now dark, and this tends to happen as things escalate few hours and as escalate over a few hours and as the votes and as the chaos in the votes and as the chaos in the on folds. what was the commons on folds. what was interesting when i spoke to people of course , there people was, of course, there were there were plenty of people there recognised this were there were plenty of people th ae recognised this were there were plenty of people th a complex :ognised this were there were plenty of people th a complex issue ad this were there were plenty of people tha complex issue and this were there were plenty of people tha complex issue and we this were there were plenty of people tha complex issue and we can is a complex issue and we can have a nuanced discussion about it, but it didn't take very long for me to find people who were immediately dismissing the

relevance , even of talking about relevance, even of talking about hamas in this debate. i had one person say, all you want to do is talk about hamas. and i said, well, that relevant when well, isn't that relevant when you're a permanent you're calling for a permanent ceasefire, a ceasefire with only one side agreeing to stand down, ceasefire, a ceasefire with only ornot de agreeing to stand down, ceasefire, a ceasefire with only or not deceasefire. to stand down, ceasefire, a ceasefire with only or not deceasefire. to st.isd down, is not a ceasefire. that is a surrender that immediately kicked things off. was told i kicked things off. i was told i was condescending, i was, i was asking the wrong questions. i shouldn't be, i shouldn't be, i shouldn't be, i shouldn't be, i shouldn't even be pursuing this line of inquiry. and wouldn't line of inquiry. and i wouldn't say intimidatory at that say it was intimidatory at that point, it was certainly if point, but it was certainly if i'd stayed for much longer, it would hostile. would have become very hostile. and christys had and i think patrick christys had a experience. so i would a similar experience. so i would imagine and we must keep an eye on this over the next couple of hours. there is a strong police presence there , would presence there, but i would imagine next or so imagine over the next hour or so it it will escalate even it will. it will escalate even more and become even more agitated . agitated. >> yeah. and you wonder , don't >> yeah. and you wonder, don't you? when mps finally leave the house of commons tonight, what are they supposed to do? are they to walk through are they supposed to do? are thejcrowd to walk through are they supposed to do? are thejcrowd to to walk through are they supposed to do? are thejcrowd to goo walk through are they supposed to do? are thejcrowd to go to /alk through are they supposed to do? are thejcrowd to go to the through the crowd to go to the underground? mean, what you underground? i mean, what you know what this is beginning to

raise isn't about raise questions, isn't it, about mp mps freedom to speak mp safety mps freedom to speak out themselves? i find that pretty disturbing too. adam. >> yeah , absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> and in fact, one mp told me that they they were not available to speak on this show tonight precisely for that reason. they wanted drive reason. they wanted to drive home as quickly as possible. so yeah, a problem. yeah, of course it's a problem. and there's only much and there's only so much the best force in the world, best police force in the world, which can debate whether which you can debate whether the met that there's no way they which you can debate whether the met contain there's no way they which you can debate whether the met contain everything. /ay they can contain everything. certainly not crowd of the certainly not a crowd of the scale is, is growing and scale that is, is growing and indeedis scale that is, is growing and indeed is already outside. so it is a problem. and i, i don't blame mps for for, being a little bit skittish on this one in these circumstances. yeah it's pretty scary. >> and i mean, just i mean , to >> and i mean, just i mean, to me, i have to say the very thought that here we are with over 7 million people on the nhs waiting list with legal migration at numbers, we could never have dreamt of illegal migration across the channel, driving a majority of the population absolutely potty because they can't work out

what's going on. the cost of living crisis that people have been through , the increased been through, the increased taxes people are paying , and taxes people are paying, and just how tough people's lives are . and here we are in the are. and here we are in the midst of all of this. and parliament square, folks, is full of palestine flags. full of flags. palestine flags. i mean, this is quite extraordinary that a important though it is. and i'm not saying that it isn't important an awful what has been happening in so many ways since october the 7th. but the fact that is now dominating british politics is quite extraordinary. now adam, it wasn't long ago when jeremy corbyn put a palestinian flag on the seat of every delegate at a labour party conference, and keir starmer tried to do it or did do away with that. and now that presence is back. what i also want to know, though, and you're not physically at you're not physically there at the understand that the moment. i understand that and recommend you go and i wouldn't recommend you go back, but are we back, frankly, but but are we now beginning to see, uh, when you said the mood is turning a

bit in parliament square? are we now beginning to get the kind of chants and slogans that we've seen on some of those london marches ? marches? >> uh, i'm afraid so , yes. in >> uh, i'm afraid so, yes. in fact , not even just now. but fact, not even just now. but earlier in the afternoon, before it was a significant protest, i heard, uh , israel is a terrorist heard, uh, israel is a terrorist state and the occupation we've heard these phrases before. they are already there, and they will be stronger now as we speak . and be stronger now as we speak. and yet i was advised not to, uh, not to go out there myself. later. i am at this point scheduled to chat to patrick about this as well, but questions are being raised about that because it is it is starting to get a little bit hostile. so yeah, we know. hostile. so yeah, we don't know. it's scary . it is hostile. so yeah, we don't know. it's scary. it is. it's quite scary. it is. >> adam cherry, thank you very much indeed . and you know, much indeed. and you know, there's adam just trying to do his job as a reporter in what is supposed to be an open democracy, what is supposed to be a free country. and him telling us that mps getting in their cars and driving home, they feel safe . they don't

they don't feel safe. they don't want be there. what is want to be there. what is befalling nation as a direct befalling our nation as a direct result of policies of labour governments and conservative governments and conservative governments is changing everything about the essential and actually very tolerant nature of our country. changing it in ways that are quite beyond belief, changing it in ways that are depressing, changing it in ways that are free lightning. changing it in ways that i'm not sure we can ever, ever row back from on that rather depressing note, we'll take a break. >> sir keir starmer may have been saved from a major gaza rebellion by the skin of his teeth , thanks to the speaker's teeth, thanks to the speaker's decision to call labour's amendment against the advice of the clerk and we'll be talking about the perilous state of our armed forces with missiles that don't go off and woke ideology infest , don't go off and woke ideology infest, hating the don't go off and woke ideology infest , hating the army, the infest, hating the army, the navy and the air force. tune in

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>> right. a change of gear, if i may. do you remember during and after the brexit referendum , after the brexit referendum, being told that the city of london, our financial markets , london, our financial markets, institutions, would lose hundreds of thousands of jobs, as many as 400,000 may well leave london and other financial centres around britain as a direct result of brexit. it was going to be a disaster and in particular because of the strength of the uk clearing houses, we would lose all of that. houses, we would lose all of that . it would all go to that. it would all go to germany, it would be a disaster. yet it appears that perhaps that's not quite the case. well, i'm very pleased to be joined by professor daniel hodson, formerly the deputy ceo and financial director of the nationwide now , daniel, you and nationwide now, daniel, you and i both remember being told that woe is us doom is headed to us directly. but when it comes to

this very, very important business of clearing houses, it now appears that the french banks actually want to go on using london. >> well, they'd love to have it. of course, in france and one of the great things about the city of london clearing is that it's multi—product , multi—currency multi—product, multi—currency and the euro clearing insofar as it exists on the continent , is it exists on the continent, is very much euro oriented. it's a very much euro oriented. it's a very expensive business from the point of view of participants. there's loads of capital involved, there's loads of costs . and actually, uh , most people, . and actually, uh, most people, i think, who know about this have been aware of the fact that for a while, the french in particular in paris, had been at it. and they've demonstrated, of course, terms of the stock course, in terms of the stock exchange and so what they exchange and so on. what they want to do, we shouldn't give up here. a it's good here. but it's a it's a good step report. and step, it's a good report. and yes , uh, the city of london, yes, uh, the city of london, i can remember handing out pamphlets outside bank underground station and, uh , uh, underground station and, uh, uh, it was very difficult to get rid of rid of those of the, uh, get rid of those pamphlets . the white suits. pamphlets. the white suits. i can believe you. believe you?

me? >> yeah , yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> no, no. people didn't >> no, no, no. people didn't want to know. but the truth is that london that in reality, london does still have a lot to offer. now, the one thing it doesn't have to offer, of course , i'm afraid offer, of course, i'm afraid through banking industry , we through the banking industry, we very often are adequate banking services. and we learn today from an all well , it's not from an all well, it's not a surprise, but you know, a parliamentary committee, all party committee saying that basically banks are using fraud or the risk of fraud as a reason to close down people's accounts, and that the number of accounts that's closed due to fraud risk cut a doubled in the year to 2023 from the year before. and this is what i've seen. you know, anything that counts as a slightly unusual transaction often, you know, maybe i don't know, maybe you sell a motorbike that was in the garage for years for a couple of grand. this appears in the account . and appears in the account. and rather than the bank having to go through all of the compliance checks as demanded by the money

laundering directives from the eu that came into british law, it's actually easier for the bank to simply close your account. i mean , that is account. i mean, that is happening, isn't it? >> it seems to be. and actually the statistics are a little bit more, um, sort of, uh, disparity. there's more disparity. there's more disparity than you'd think, because i think i'm right in saying the report says that in 300 cases have been bought for crime, as against 300,000 accounts being closed. it's something like that. it's that sort of statistic . and what sort of statistic. and what i think the banks are using in many cases is using crime as a cover for de—banking. and in fact, if i may say so, i suspect that your de—banking episode was partly in that particular category. uh, no, it isn't right. but of course, it's a matter of statistics, and it's an area where i think both the regulators and the banks could be doing a lot better, and certainly the numbers in terms of the crimes reported and those actually, where there's been a case should be much more

compatible. and if people , you compatible. and if people, you know, are actually reported for potentially having some kind of crime affiliation and they don't , that should be proved and they should be let go . and it's should be let go. and it's simple as that . and of course, simple as that. and of course, the other thing, by the way, in the other thing, by the way, in the quickly to say the report, just quickly to say this that they're talking this is that they're talking very about , uh, this is that they're talking very about, uh, and the very much about, uh, and the treasury recommending this, treasury is recommending this, that their that people get told by their accounts getting closed, accounts getting being closed, but they're not being very specific about sort of specific about what sort of reasons that reasons you can give so that there's plenty of opportunity for the banks of slither for the banks to sort of slither out of that one. >> know , i know, tipping off >> i know, i know, tipping off rules and everything. daniel, it's a theme. return to it's a theme. we'll return to again again and again. thank again and again and again. thank you , uh, forjoining. again and again and again. thank you my h, for joining. again and again and again. thank you my pleasure. ing. again and again and again. thank youmy pleasure. nice again and again and again. thank you my pleasure. nice to you >> my pleasure. nice to see you again, nigel. >> to good see you. now i'm joined now by jacob rees—mogg. jacob extraordinary scenes in parliament. what do you make of it? >> absolutely extraordinary scenes in parliament and really disgraceful exhibition today . disgraceful exhibition today. when the deputy speaker did not allow a vote on the motion before the house that you have

the voices, first you have people shout and then if it's contested, you go to a division and we weren't allowed a vote, which is quite extraordinary in my experience, absolutely unprecedented and awful. >> awful. i'm going to end on this. >> a message from a member of parliament to adam cherry. some of us are really to of us are really scared to leave. one of female leave. one of my female colleagues leave. one of my female collea protesters leave. one of my female colleaprotesters westminster nasty protesters in westminster hall earlier and filmed, etc. she was in tears when she came back into the room. it's back into the tea room. it's intolerable . and it is. let's intolerable. and it is. let's see the weather looks like things are heating up boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on . boilers, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> this is your latest weather update from the met office. four gb news. good evening i'm alex deakin. more wet and windy weather to come. particularly lively gusts tomorrow across parts of the south. we've seen plenty of rain today from this set weather fronts. they are set of weather fronts. they are heading out into the north sea, but more are following on behind, bringing showery rain to northern ireland and a good part

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gb news. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg on state of the nafion jacob rees—mogg on state of the nation tonight. well, i've just come from disgraceful scenes in the commons today with being the commons today with mps being denied a vote on as crowds denied a vote on gaza as crowds gathered outside protest, which broke with convention. the commons ended up or the snp ended up walking out and the speaker apologised . appalling speaker apologised. appalling say to the armed forces is once again on display as a trident

submarine missile test fails for the second time in a row, the ministry of defence faces the latest chapter of woke capture. trans women, that is to say, biological men are allowed into female only barracks. plus, the eu loving bbc's programme about statistics didn't like my use of the eu's own figures , however, the eu's own figures, however, as my source is the eu itself, the europhile bbc ought to be criticising its idol rather than me. state of the nation starts now how. now. i'll also be joined by my most pugnacious panel this evening. former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie , and the historian and mackenzie, and the historian and broadcaster dunlop . as broadcaster tessa dunlop. as always, know, i want to always, as you know, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of the programme. email me mailmogg@gbnews.com . now mailmogg@gbnews.com. but now it's news the it's time for the news of the day middleton first.

day with polly middleton first. jacob thank you and good evening to you . to you. >> well, there have been unprecedented scenes in westminster this evening after the government withdrew its amendment to the snp's motion on amendment to the snp's motion on a ceasefire in gaza , it turned a ceasefire in gaza, it turned from peace into politics. and that prompted mps from the snp to leave the chamber and then for the tories to follow, leaving only labour to vote on its own amendment. well, i can tell you that mps have now approved a labour party call for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire in gaza. but to bring you up to date on events earlier on, we saw members file out of the chamber in protest . then the chamber in protest. then they came back in. they were trying to absorb seeing the speaker of the house, sir lindsay hoyle, apologise to them all for breaking with convention and considering a labour amendment today, something which doesn't normally happen. well sir lindsay hoyle apologised to the house in a heartfelt plea, saying it was not intention saying it was not his intention to cause such a mess.