is now a massive threat to the uk. is he right on that? and we are on the cusp of massive council tax hikes as nearly all councils raise their tax rates come april. i'm asking you a simple question. is it time now for huge reforms to this system? and if so, what should that look like? and we all know by now that shoplifting is on the rise. so now lockable units which rely on artificial intelligence , are on artificial intelligence, are being trialled in supermarkets to protect high value items from being stolen. get this though right, the units can be unlocked by things like using a mobile phone number to be sent, an access code or facial recognition systems. is this really what is going to take to finally stop the tea leaves ? yes

finally stop the tea leaves? yes indeed. we're going to have robust on all of that. i can tell you now, my panel completely disagree on pretty much all of those topics. but before we get stuck in, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's news for tonight's latest news headunes. headlines. >> michelle, thank you and good evening to you. well, the top story from the newsroom tonight is that the prime minister has now criticised the commons speaker's handling of gaza speaker's handling of the gaza ceasefire vote yesterday, saying it was very concerning . more it was very concerning. more than 65 mps have now declared no confidence in sir lindsay hoyle, calling for him to resign. he, since reiterated his apology for allowing both the government and labour amendments to be debated in the chamber. but rishi sunak said changing the usual way, parliament works is a very slippery slope. >> the speaker has apologised as my understanding for what happened last night, because the usual ways in parliament usual ways in which parliament works were changed and that is concerning, the speaker said

he's going to reflect on that. the substance the the substance of this and the government's very government's position is very clear. we want to see an immediate pause in what's happening in gaza so that we can get more aid in crucially, get more aid in and, crucially, get more aid in and, crucially, get the hostages out, including the british hostages , and we can the british hostages, and we can use that as foundation to use that as a foundation to build sustainable , lasting build a sustainable, lasting ceasefire. but that involves hamas having no part to play in future governance of gaza . future governance of gaza. >> rishi sunak well, sir keir starmer says the speaker did the right thing by selecting labour's amendment but denies threatening him or influencing any decision on. >> i can categorically tell you that i did not threaten the speaker in any way whatsoever . i speaker in any way whatsoever. i simply urged him to ensure that we have the broadest possible debate and your mps, the broadest possible debate. um, so that actually the most important thing, which is what do we do about the awful situation in gaza could be properly discussed by mps with a number of options in front of them. that's the right thing to do. the speaker

did the right thing in making sure the debate was broad. >> sir keir starmer. well, snp westminster leader stephen flynn told the speaker his position is now untenable. it's ultimately turned to in a labour opposition day that, quite frankly, is not acceptable . acceptable. >> and as i have expressed to you privately prior to the proceedings here today , we do we proceedings here today, we do we do not on these benches. therefore believe that you can continue to. >> well, in other news today, the uk and jordan have airdropped aid to a hospital in northern gaza, supplies include essential medicines, fuel and food for patients and staff, with the foreign secretary, david cameron, saying it'll help thousands of people. it's all part of an agreement signed by the uk this week to deliver £1 million worth of aid to gaza . million worth of aid to gaza. now the mother of putin, critic

alexei navalny, says she's now seen her son's body with his death certificate suggesting he died of natural causes . died of natural causes. navalny's family accused the russian president of orchestrating the murder , orchestrating the murder, something the kremlin has denied . his mothers also accused russian investigators of blackmailing her over the funeral of her son in a video published online, she said officials had threatened her that they would do something with his body if she refused a secret burial without mourners is here in the uk. hundreds of victims of the post office horizon it scandal will have their names cleared under new legislation. the government says the law set to come into force in july, will overturn the convictions of hundreds of wrongly accused subpostmasters . wrongly accused subpostmasters. post office minister kevin hollinrake conceded some guilty individuals may be exonerated, but he said the unprecedented intervention will deliver long overdue justice. households could see their energy bills fall to the lowest level in two

years. the energy regulator , years. the energy regulator, ofgem, is due to announce the latest price cap tomorrow, with experts predicting it will drop by £293 a year. that would see the average household bill falling by 15% from just over £1,900 to about £1,600 annually, from the start of april . for the from the start of april. for the latest stories to sign up for gb news alerts, scan the qr code on the screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts . slash alerts. >> thanks very much for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, i've got the leader of reform uk, richard tice, and the co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. good evening, novara media, aaron bastani. good evening , gents to both of good evening, gents to both of you. evening you know the drill as well, don't you, on this programme, it's not just about us three. much about us three. it's very much about you guys at home as well. what's on your mind tonight? you can get touch me all the get in touch with me all the usual vaiews@gbnews.com

usual ways. vaiews@gbnews.com is email me or can is how you email me or you can tweet or text gb boy tweet or text me at gb news. boy oh boy, there is a lot to get into tonight. and if you were following the proceedings on the programme last night, you'll know, of course, to what i refer. it's been a fast moving day today, let's just take day today, so let's just take a moment and bring moment to reflect and bring ourselves up to speed with all the latest with our political edhon the latest with our political editor, christopher hope . editor, christopher hope. >> the political future of sir lindsay hoyle, the speaker of the house of commons, is hanging by a thread tonight . his by a thread tonight. his problems back to last night problems go back to last night when second when he selected a second amendment snp motion on amendment to an snp motion on calling for an immediate ceasefire in gaza . that really ceasefire in gaza. that really annoyed the snp , which walked annoyed the snp, which walked out of the house of commons and then, course, we saw the then, of course, we saw the tories doing the which tories doing the same, which meant labour, labour meant that the labour, labour amendment to the original snp motion unopposed . and motion was passed unopposed. and the fallout today has been brutal and swift . at the last brutal and swift. at the last count, 65 mps have signed a motion of no confidence in the speaker . added to that, the snp speaker. added to that, the snp mps , the third biggest grouping mps, the third biggest grouping in house of commons, has said

they'd have no more confidence in the speaker. it is a real problem for him and that is why he has been meeting with leaders all afternoon. what he does next is key. by monday, as as is key. by monday, as many as 100 may have signed that 100 mps may have signed that motion confidence, motion of no confidence, and that could make it very hard for him to hang on. saw earlier him to hang on. we saw earlier today mordaunt , the house today penny mordaunt, the house of of the house of of leader of the house of commons, making it very clear that she felt it was labour's mistake to put pressure on mistake here to put pressure on the and choose the speaker to try and choose their amendment. hadn't their amendment. if that hadn't happened, have happened, it wouldn't have put so much heat on the speaker and made him choose that motion. the question whether he can question now is whether he can get this, it will get through this, and it will hang over the weekend on him, and whether can try and make and whether he can try and make sure come back sure that enough mps come back and him. how? and say they support him. how? where it goes from here is anyone's guess . anyone's guess. >> well, you go. i think >> well, there you go. i think the numbers so far, i think we're to 67, to be precise, we're up to 67, to be precise, but should we just reflect? because sir lindsay hoyle, he's actually but two actually issued not one, but two apologies. so one last night and then again afternoon. then one again this afternoon. so have a listen to so let's just have a listen to what he had say. this is his

what he had to say. this is his second apology which took place today. i had serious meetings yesterday with the police on the issues and threats to politicians , threats, heading to politicians, threats, heading to an election . an election. >> and i do not want anything to happen again . so yes , i will happen again. so yes, i will apologise. i always will when i make a mistake i did. i offer an 24 that is within my gift and power, but i will also say i will do whatever it is to protect anybody in this chamber or anybody who works in this house. that is my duty of care. well, i again, i just want to be clear, by the way, because we're mentioning these numbers, um, of the no confidence motions, sir lindsay hoyle is not duty bound. >> he doesn't have to resign. wants a number of x. wants to get to a number of x. so, i mean, a lot of what will happen next will interested. happen next will be interested. but this is all about but of course, this is all about showing him the strength of feeling from people right across the that house of

the spectrum in that house of commons. i mean, there's so much i unpick and unpack i want to unpick and unpack tonight with you two gents. um, everything . i want to explore everything. i want to explore everything. i want to explore every aspect whether or not everything. i want to explore eve believe :t whether or not everything. i want to explore eve believe that whether or not everything. i want to explore eve believe that his/hether or not everything. i want to explore eve believe that his decision r not everything. i want to explore evebelieve that his decision was: we believe that his decision was really, genuinely driven by threats or whether it was driven by political pressure from the labour party. i want to come on to aspects in a second. to those aspects in a second. but before i that, just more but before i do that, just more broadly, was your broadly, what was your reflection the absolute reflection on the absolute shambles westminster last shambles in westminster last night? >> it was a shambles and i think people looking would be utterly, utterly . it was also very utterly aghast. it was also very sad because actually lindsay hoyle he's a good man hoyle is he's a he's a good man by all accounts . he's been an by all accounts. he's been an excellent speaker . uh, everybody excellent speaker. uh, everybody i think sort of unanimously feels that. so look, it's a real shame , but i think he's in real shame, but i think he's in real trouble . and i think that this trouble. and i think that this actually it's not about his apologies. it's about the politics of it between the various parties, which has all been going on and i think the tories are going to bring him down, because if they wait until after the election, then essentially all of their

leverage has gone and if they bnng leverage has gone and if they bring him down, they might get a tory speaker. when all the polls are showing that labour would form the next government. so i think we're now into completely different sort game playing different sort of game playing with the future of the with with the future of the speaker and aaron. >> right. so cashman, to >> right. so cashman, back to last your last night. what was your reflections on of that? reflections on all of that? >> well, shambles is the right word. don't think word. i don't think anybody watching night's watching last night's events would is a sensible would think this is a sensible way legislature to way for our legislature to comport itself, and i have to say, my read on it is this was the speaker of the house doing a favour for the leader of the opposition and sir lindsay isn't just a former labour mp. his father is a labour lord. and i don't think it's his job to assist any party leader in internal management. this internal party management. this was a massive headache for keir starmer . he a was a massive headache for keir starmer. he a get out of starmer. he got a get out of jail card and i think that's why sir lindsay should resign . sir lindsay should resign. >> uh, just let's bring to be fair to him then let's listen to sir keir starmer, because of course it won't surprise anyone to know that he categorically denies what arrange said. he's saying, of course, that he

didn't put pressure on. let's listen to as well. listen to him as well. >> issue is to have >> the real issue is to have that proper debate and that didn't happen because the snp walked off, because all they were interested in doing was dividing the labour party. and once they saw they couldn't do that, they walked off and the government then walked off. the government then walked off. the government of the country walked out debate on gaza because out of a debate on gaza because they thought they were going to lose a i think that we lose a vote. i think that we should have continued with that debate, had it at the right level, and for parliament to be able to speak on one of the most important issues of the day. >> so you're saying that you think he essentially, uh, sir lindsay hoyle did a favour to sir keir starmer? i thought it was quite interesting last night when all of this of stuff when all of this kind of stuff was unfold and you could hear was on unfold and you could hear shouts of sue gray. yes. so a lot of people were actually saying that she was the one that was levers and all the was pulling levers and all the rest it. so today, fast rest of it. so today, fast forward and actually forward to today. and actually he suggesting this last forward to today. and actually he asuggesting this last forward to today. and actually he as well, ;ting this last forward to today. and actually he as well, but this last forward to today. and actually he as well, but he's last forward to today. and actually he as well, but he's doubled night as well, but he's doubled down today. sir lindsay

down on it today. sir lindsay hoyle, is saying that he made hoyle, he is saying that he made his decision because of threats to labour party. what i to the labour party. what i thought interesting that thought was interesting was that the bbc's newsnight editor, nick watt, he yesterday actually said that senior labour officials had said that actually what said to him that actually what had really gone on within the labour was senior labour party was that senior members of labour party put pressure to , on to, um, sir pressure to, on to, um, sir lindsay basically saying if you don't allow us this amendment, we probably won't back you when it comes to re—election. so do you, because i actually i can't help but think what i think is that it was this political pressure, him trying to save his own job and now this kind of convenient excuse , jews, has convenient excuse, jews, has kind of emerged about threads which denying. by which i'm not denying. by the way, don't that that was way, i don't think that that was a that's know, a lie a that that's a, you know, a lie or but i don't think or anything, but i don't think that his reason. so that was his primary reason. so let's just explore this politicking. yeah because it's not on it's really not on. and actually it didn't become about palestine night . it came palestine last night. it came literally to down individuals politicking for their own futures. >> well quite right i mean keir

starmer there said let's have the debate. that's precisely what was stopped last night. you didn't debate because didn't want the debate because your party is divided on the snp proposals therefore you did proposals and therefore you did this politicking. and this isn't a conspiracy theory. we're not trying to attack keir starmer because we don't like him or disagree him or like disagree with him or don't like his on this his position on on gaza. this was labour sources briefing, one of the most senior bbc political journalists they it. journalists. they have said it. it's like somebody robbing a bank saying it was me. so it's embarrassing for lindsay hoyle. he probably wasn't expecting them to do that. >> they obviously have do >> they obviously i have to i do have say obviously they've have to say obviously they've denied they've denied that. yeah. they've denied that. yeah. they've denied that. yeah. they've denied that. they're that denied that. they're saying that didn't denied that. they're saying that did but actually , uh, >> but but but actually, uh, nicholas has doubled down nicholas watt has doubled down on it this morning and reinforced that when, when i listen to him and i think there's no doubt that actually he it may not have been keir starmer, someone put starmer, but someone put pressure to bear on the speaker from the labour party and, and the sort of rumours that he came out of a meeting room sort of looking puce, white and shocked. so there was no question there

was pressure brought bear for was pressure brought to bear for a whole bunch of reasons. i think some genuinely out of think some is genuinely out of the issues, which is the security issues, which is horrific. i'm afraid that's horrific. but i'm afraid that's that's the consequence of what i believe is weak, gutless leader by the prime minister and the boss of the met police, sir mark rowley. should have banned boss of the met police, sir mark rowle horrific,;hould have banned boss of the met police, sir mark rowle horrific, hateful|ave banned these horrific, hateful anti—semitic marches. when i called for it, which was the very first week after october 7th, we wouldn't have any of this nonsense. now, if they'd shown leadership . but if shown that leadership. but if you have a vacuum leadership, you have a vacuum of leadership, then evil will prevail. and that's what's happening. >> you've just said that's what's happening. >> you you've just said that's what's happening. >> you thinkyou've just said that's what's happening. >> you think sir've just said that's what's happening. >> you think sir lindsay said that you think sir lindsay should should be should resign. he should be gone. think that, do gone. you don't think that, do you? i'm right you? if i'm right in understanding position, understanding your position, then understanding your position, the i'm unusual. i'm. >> i'm actually unusual. i'm. i'm the edge. i think he i i'm on the edge. i think he i think he probably will go. think. >> do you think he should i think it's a real shame. >> but ultimately he's bent to the pressure and he's supposed not to. and he it's a really fine call. but i think he i think he will do you and i know you think that he should, but do you think that he should, but do you think that he should, but do

you think he will in all likelihood , probably yes. likelihood, probably yes. >> because the tories still have this large majority. we have got 650 parliamentarians. this is meant to be the person with the most integrity, the most honesty , the most impartial, the most objective . and i think with objective. and i think with lindsay hoyle and john bercow, my goodness, you know, i think we have to have a conversation in this country. and i don't think this is a left right issue actually, about how the profession is, ah, giving up on professionalism. yeah. civil service media. i saw justin welby speak to a welby wouldn't speak to a religious from bethlehem religious figure from bethlehem because he a platform because he shared a platform with corbyn. well this is with jeremy corbyn. well this is be professional. you know, do your job, be professional. you know, do yourjob, put be professional. you know, do your job, put your feelings to be professional. you know, do yourside. put your feelings to be professional. you know, do yourside. put yl ur feelings to be professional. you know, do yourside. put yl feel�*elings to be professional. you know, do yourside. put yl feel likegs to be professional. you know, do yourside. put yl feel like with one side. and i feel like with bercow , with lindsay bercow, with lindsay hoyle, we're seeing a snapshot of that a little bit. >> but bercow was was naked bias. lindsay it sort bias. lindsay hoyle it was sort of behind scenes but he was of behind the scenes but he was warned lindsay hoyle his own warned lindsay hoyle by his own clerk the letter was clerk in writing the letter was then published and the professionalism that you refer to is deliberately chose to to is he deliberately chose to overrule that . and that was overrule that. and that was a serious misjudgement for which

he's apologised . but ultimately he's apologised. but ultimately confidence in him across many of the parties in the commons is now semi shattered and i think it's. yeah, so i think he's. >> so what will happen next then. because you just said starmer, then he's going on about, oh yeah, we need to have these votes and all the rest of it. but to your point, the reason that you didn't have the votes one you removed your votes is one of you removed your amendments. the other set you amendments. the other set of you walked babies. so walked off like babies. so that's was a choice not that's why it was a choice not to votes. so what to have those votes. so what happens then? they happens next then? will they will they recast all these, do you possibly. you think possibly. >> also don't think by the >> and i also don't think by the way this helps keir starmer with regards a significant regards to a significant subsection of his vote, feels very and very strongly about this. and they labour mps they think that labour mps should on should be voting with the snp on on proposals that were meant on the proposals that were meant to put forward yesterday. i to be put forward yesterday. i don't managed this in don't think he's managed this in terms parliamentary terms of his parliamentary party and the media. but and the optics of the media. but if anything, this is actually going to make activists people that when labour that are, you know, when labour canvassers knock on people's doors, getting doors, they're getting doors slammed face this slammed in their face over this issue. that's going to get worse. as a result of

worse. i think, as a result of yesterday's events, is yesterday's events, this is going to lead to the next topic on in terms of where on the show in terms of where this all goes. >> but i think that, yeah, starmer real trouble on starmer is in real trouble on this. the truth is, all of this. but the truth is, all of this. but the truth is, all of this different wording, all semantics, it's virtue semantics, it's all virtue signalling, make a blind signalling, make not a blind bit of difference. >> is a key point. >> and that is a key point. >> and that is a key point. >> that's the point you >> that's the key point you make. blind bit of make. not a blind bit of difference to hamas, not a blind bit of difference to netanyahu or israeli defence force. or the israeli defence force. they all these things. they look at all these things. they look at all these things. they you playing they look at all these things. thewe've you playing they look at all these things. thewe've our| playing they look at all these things. thewe've our own playing they look at all these things. thewe've our own agendas at? we've got our own agendas and we're going to push on. >> many people been >> many people have been critical labour position critical of the labour position because saying, because what they're all saying, like, for like, um, stephen flynn, for example, he's saying, why did you take our opposition day to call ceasefire? had call for a ceasefire? you've had loads opportunities to call loads of opportunities to call for ceasefire? loads of opportunities to call for never ceasefire? loads of opportunities to call for never called.efire? loads of opportunities to call for never called for'e? loads of opportunities to call for never called for that you've never called for that ceasefire on own ceasefire for ever on your own watch. so why are doing watch. so why are you doing on us whole flopping of us this whole flip flopping of the position? david lammy the labour position? david lammy it seems me anyway, that it seems to me anyway, that what's with labour is what's happened with labour is they've the. what they've now followed the. what they'll is the five eyes they'll say is the five eyes position. because i don't position. so because i don't know, had like new know, you've had like your new zealand whoever, because zealand or whoever, because they've been a bit

they've come out and been a bit stronger language on stronger with language on ceasefire. labour have ceasefire. therefore labour have followed. really followed. but is that really what doing with our what we should be doing with our foreign just following what we should be doing with our forethe just following what we should be doing with our forethe people?|ust following all the people? >> know, i've always said i >> you know, i've always said i think it's pretty obvious that britain doesn't determine its own london own foreign policy. london doesn't, really doesn't, you know, really determine get involved, determine where we get involved, where you know why. that's broadly speaking, down to the white and the oval office. white house and the oval office. i think that's wrong with that. >> it's because we're collegiate with like minded allies, and we're part a team are we're part of a team that's are we're part of a team that's are we team, though? we part of a team, though? >> look, so here's the thing. us foreign policy means invading iraq, afghanistan, iraq, invading afghanistan, russia right now. what that means europe is refugees. means for europe is refugees. >> we're not invading russia. >> we're not invading russia. >> hold on. let me finish. no, the ongoing, you know, affairs with regards what with regards to russia. what that means for europe is millions refugees coming millions of refugees coming here. going the here. they're not going to the united states. energy united states. and high energy prices. the united states, of course, exporter course, is a net energy exporter . the have foreign . so the us can have foreign policy objectives. it's allowed to those for it. it's to have those for good it. it's looking out its national looking out for its own national interests. those interests. but sometimes those national don't align national interests don't align with ours because we get the downside. the millions of downside. we get the millions of refugees, high energy

refugees, we get the high energy costs. doesn't. so costs. the us doesn't. so sometimes our sometimes i think our politicians, know, they need politicians, you know, they need to say no. to learn to say no. >> well, i'll tell you , one of >> well, i'll tell you, one of the that, um, that was the things that, um, that was saying sir lindsay hoyle, saying no to sir lindsay hoyle, he saying night and he was saying last night and again today, what wants to do again today, what he wants to do is say no. he wants to say no to picking up the phone ever again and having what he calls one of his friends on either side, having murdered having been murdered by a terrorist. this one of terrorist. and this is one of the points i want to explore the key points i want to explore with the break. are we with you after the break. are we really, really in a situation now where you can have an extremist dictating what is extremist mob dictating what is supposed to be a democracy in this country ? is that really how this country? is that really how things should be? it's certainly the way it seems to be. what do we do about it, nigel farage, for he's saying now for example, he's saying now that we've got a problem with religious sectarianism in this country and indeed it is a threat to our democracy, is it? you tell me. i want to get into that after the .

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radio. >> hello there. i'm michelle dewberry with util 7:00 tonight alongside me leader of reform uk richard tice and the co—founder of novara media, aaron bastani. now look, we've just been talking about the situation , the talking about the situation, the absolute shambles. it was like some kind of clown school yesterday in westminster. and quite frankly, i think all of you actually, if any of you is watching, i think you should all be um, we talk about be ashamed. um, we talk about why people disconnected with why people are disconnected with politics. well, look in the mirror night showed why. mirror last night showed why. that's what got to say that's what i've got to say anyway. look, one of the key core aspects to this, though, is whether we have whether or not we have a situation now basically situation now where basically extremist mobs are running around basically dictating , uh, around basically dictating, uh, british democracy . and nigel british democracy. and nigel farage, for example, he's come out and said religious sectarianism is a threat. um, and that actually many people are basically turning a blind eye. let's explore this. richard do you agree with that? >> i do entirely, and i've seen it already . we saw it last night it already. we saw it last night with the demonstrations outside

the house of commons. uh, the sort of portraying images and words onto the big ben that is a criminal offence. >> well, look, let's be blunt and i'm sorry to offend anyone, but what you're referring to was the fact that some fella with a projector was projecting. but he was. >> he was breaking the law, and the police were standing there watching and they watching it. and the reason they didn't arrest him is that they're they're afraid they're afraid. they're afraid of these people. they've been they're afraid. they're afraid of trtoe people. they've been they're afraid. they're afraid of trto dumb le. they've been they're afraid. they're afraid of trto dumb it. they've been they're afraid. they're afraid of trto dumb it down 've been they're afraid. they're afraid of trto dumb it down andyeen they're afraid. they're afraid of trto dumb it down and not to told to dumb it down and not to arrest them. even though they know breaking law . know they're breaking the law. and because of the fear and that's because of the fear thatis and that's because of the fear that is now pervading through these demonstrations, because of a lack of leadership. and you're seeing it in you're seeing it in elections going on at the moment where it's about a local where it's not about a local town, it's about gaza . and town, it's about gaza. and you're thinking, what on earth is going on here? and we're going to have independent islamist candidates standing in this general election, this yean this general election, this year, who are probably going to beat labour candidates. and that is happening as we speak. and we

could well end up a situation by december this year. we've got 10 to 20 such candidates on the green benches as mps , and i green benches as mps, and i think that was a big shock. >> aaron. >> aaron. >> well, people can stand for parliament regardless of their beliefs. i mean, that's i think that's that's reasonable in a, in a democratic free society . in a democratic free society. and obviously people have the right protest break right to protest if they break the that's the police the law. that's for the police to and to deal with. to determine and to deal with. what i would say is as well, though, is that i think mr farage's comments understate. actually, history of british actually, the history of british politics. you go back politics. if you go back a century, you had the suffragette 1913. they blew up the country home in surrey of david lloyd george . you had, of course, george. you had, of course, irish republicanism. you had a war on the island next door to this one. you had a labour movement, very militant in the 19 tens. so this idea, i'm not suggesting that's good or bad or anything. i'm simply providing context. the idea that british democracy deal democracy hasn't had to deal with crises of various kinds over the decades , from world war

over the decades, from world war to the ira. things i just listed. >> it's a new phenomenon. >> it's a new phenomenon. >> it's a new phenomenon. >> it's certainly not new. >> it's certainly not new. >> all right. so many people would agree with that. it's not new, that change new, but that doesn't change things in the here and now. so in the here and now, what do you say this whole notion that say to this whole notion that actually group actually there is this group of let's honest what it let's be honest about what it is, because it's not extreme buddhist, it? extreme buddhist, is it? it's extreme islamist have an islamist people that have an extreme, um, um, ideology about how country how they want this country to look run and what's look, operate and run and what's the what belief system they want people adhere and that is people to adhere to. and that is being, um, having a blind eye turned against. is that what they're protesting over there? well, and this is where it becomes interesting. >> this is where it's heading. and i actually think we need a law explicitly says that no law that explicitly says that no one can conduct in any walk of life. in the united kingdom, shana life. in the united kingdom, sharia law , because that is sharia law, because that is where this is heading. and it's really news. frankly , we really bad news. and frankly, we want to keep religion out of politics because otherwise you see sectarianism . um, see this sectarianism. um, you're about the context, you're right about the context, but happens, generally but when that happens, generally it in extreme tension, it ends in extreme tension,

extreme divisions, violence and death. and we should keep it out of our politics, out of our democracy. do you agree with that? >> oh, i certainly don't think, you know, i think extreme political positions generally , political positions generally, they need to be mediated through they need to be mediated through the democratic process. if they're it tends to be very they're not, it tends to be very bad news. i think , by the way, bad news. i think, by the way, that's argument that's an argument for proportional representation. and what say richard is maybe what i'd say to richard is maybe we we you know, we disagree. we you know, maybe it's bad if you have it's not so bad if you have quote unquote, an islamist mp, because the reality is those ideas, those individuals are then the democratic then tested by the democratic system. if they fail, they get the this is why when for the boot. this is why when for instance, the bnp won two members the european members of the european parliament don't parliament in 2009, i don't think thing because think that's a bad thing because if they don't perform, their ideas are revealed as not particularly think particularly effective. i think with system as we with the two party system as we have , it's prone to whingeing have it, it's prone to whingeing by people like me, people like richard, because it's very hard to break through that. and i think some of the people whingeing, if they were tested, some succeed and some some would succeed and some would the country better some would succeed and some wou some the country better some would succeed and some wou some wouldn't, ntry better some would succeed and some wou some wouldn't, and better some would succeed and some wou some wouldn't, and they'd be and some wouldn't, and they'd be found i that that might

found out. so i that that might sound like a strange, counterintuitive response. i would that's why we pr. would say that's why we need pr. >> i wonder because there >> see, i wonder because there might some muslim viewers might be some muslim viewers watching. i mean, my best friend, she actually converted, she to islam, she will say reverted to islam, and she is just a normal, decent. you know, she kind of gets on with her life and there's no problems. and so i want to be clear, i'm not saying i'm not suggesting that there's a problem with all muslims in the land, course. absolutely the land, of course. absolutely not. absolutely not. but it's absolutely undeniable is undeniable that there is a fragment of these people that want to cause harm to the western civilisation in the way that we know it. i think that it's interesting that you regard , um, from the river to the sea, uh, palestine will be free. you regard that like regard that as almost like a genocidal chance . oh, without genocidal chance. oh, without question, you that question, do you share that sentiment that you see? so let's just netanyahu says the same thing. >> he can say it. i don't i don't it's just words. it's just words. i believe in free speech. unless it's incitement. i believe in free speech. >> well, me you, i've >> well, let me tell you, i've been on a couple of these marches in and asked marches and gone in and asked

the on them as to whether the people on them as to whether or they condemn hamas, or not they condemn hamas, whether condemn october the whether they condemn october the 7th, want to 7th, and whether they want to free hostages. and get free the hostages. and i get shouted i abused, i get shouted at, i get abused, i get hollering, drums, hollering, banging the drums, the big megaphone. never the big megaphone. they'll never engagein the big megaphone. they'll never engage in debate and they engage in the debate and they won't agree with that. that won't agree with that. and that shows they deep. is shows they are deep. this is all about supporting hamas and being deeply, deeply anti—semitic. and we've allowed that to happen through weak leadership by our police. and it's awful . police. and it's awful. >> but there will be some people there, though, on those protests who are just normal average joes who are just normal average joes who are just normal average joes who are heartbroken the who are heartbroken at the concept innocent children concept of innocent children getting orphaned, getting maimed. michelle. >> michelle, i'm sorry. i was there on october the 9th before israel had responded at all outside the israeli embassy , i outside the israeli embassy, i was abused, i was ranted at. they were already. they had their banners out, ceasefire. now free palestine. this is this is all about anti—semitism ism and their hatred of israel. that's what it's about. i accept there are plenty of peaceful people on those marches, but there is a significant number who are not.

>> you've been on this, i haven't. >> i've a small child. i've >> i've got a small child. i've got a 14 week old baby. so it's almost up. almost perfectly lined up. >> i would have done if he was available. >> n available. >> i would have. >> of course i would have. >> of course i would have. >> yeah. and so what do you think what he's what think about what he's what richard's saying. this characterisation then that they're people are they're all like people that are quite and quite extremist. and all the rest of it. >> no. i think overwhelmingly the people on these protests and demonstrations decent, demonstrations are decent, upstanding law abiding, good, honourable, upstanding law abiding, good, honouraljew christian. you muslim, jew or christian. you will obviously, will have people, obviously, who are, deplorable or are, uh, deplorable or dislikeable disreputable dislikeable or disreputable. and unfortunately, dislikeable or disreputable. and unfortl by tely, dislikeable or disreputable. and unfortl by the way, we saw this cause, by the way, we saw this with brexit leave , people with brexit and leave, people will well, this will say, well, this characterises all the characterises everybody. all the leave ridiculous. >> but is undeniable that >> and but it is undeniable that a of jewish people say that a lot of jewish people say that they feel really intimidated and actually they wouldn't go into central london on a weekend when that protest is occurring. two things. >> firstly, hugely >> firstly, that's hugely important, not important, and i'm not dismissing that the dismissing that in the slightest. i would say slightest. but what i would say is doesn't mean is that doesn't mean the majority of protesting majority of people protesting are those things that have been described. know, you be described. you know, you can be worried something it's described. you know, you can be worra d something it's described. you know, you can be worra d smallnething it's described. you know, you can be worra d small minority it's just a very small minority that's justifiable. secondly,

there people these there are jewish people on these protests. again, you say protests. and again, you say that's a minority the jewish that's a minority of the jewish community, is true, but community, which is true, but there jewish people these there are jewish people on these protests, wouldn't protests, and i wouldn't want to mischaracterise protests, and i wouldn't want to mischaractto se protests, and i wouldn't want to mischaractto play you a clip, >> i want to play you a clip, actually, um, of sir lindsay hoyle, because it actually really me out. i alluded really chilled me out. i alluded to it the earlier part of to it in the earlier part of this program, listen to this program, but just listen to what to say. uh, on some what he had to say. uh, on some of these issues. >> listen, i will defend every member this house. every member in this house. every member in this house. every member to me this member matters to me in this house. has been said , house. and it has been said, yes, both sides . i never, ever yes, both sides. i never, ever want to go through a situation where i pick up a phone to find a friend of whatever side has been murdered by terrorists. >> you see, obviously, i mean, i do want to just because sometimes i do feel like you've got to state the obvious, but obviously nobody wants anyone to be murdered by any terrorist. i just want to put that out there. but there is something quite concerning the people that concerning about the people that are our democracy that are leading our democracy that when you give the impression

are leading our democracy that whe|actually'e the impression are leading our democracy that whe|actually , the impression are leading our democracy that whe|actually , if1e impression are leading our democracy that whe|actually , if you npression are leading our democracy that whe|actually , if you wantsion are leading our democracy that whe|actually , if you want to1 that actually, if you want to change laws or influence democracy in this country , all democracy in this country, all you've got to do is stand outside of the house of commons and you've got to say that you've just got to ring up someone and say, you know what? i'm going to, i'm going to bomb your i'm going to your friend, or i'm going to attack and such mp. and attack such and such an mp. and thatis attack such and such an mp. and that is a route to changing democracy. >> we appalling. and >> we it's appalling. and look, aaron's is the extreme aaron's right, it is the extreme elements and you're quite right. the vast, vast majority of muslims peace people muslims are peace loving people who their who want to get on with their lives contribute to their lives and contribute to their work and their communities, which is the which is fantastic. it is the extreme it's the extreme elements, but it's the extreme elements, but it's the extreme elements, but it's the extreme elements who are out there stuff and there doing this stuff and they're extreme people who they're the extreme people who are terrifying whether it's are terrifying mps, whether it's tobias ellwood with his home, whether it's whether it's other labour mps dotted around the country and that's what happens when the police don't step in urgently, rapidly, robustly and say, no, this is not where it goes. last night there were people in defiance of the new law about wearing masks on these

marches, just being waved on by the police, just doing the square root of zigi. >> well, actually , i don't know >> well, actually, i don't know if you saw. i mean, i don't know why i'm laughing because it's not um, i don't know not funny, but, um, i don't know if you saw gb news last night. martin daubney. he actually had an egg an. i mean, don't an egg for an. i mean, i don't know goes to a protest know why. who goes to a protest carrying a six eggs? carrying a six pack of eggs? i mean, it baffles me. got mean, it's it baffles me. got one here. >> exactly. >> exactly. >> won't won't tell anyone. >> i won't i won't tell anyone. i won't send anyone. but what do you think to not you think to that? not not martin daubney be next. the, um. >> i want being >> i don't want martin being egged, ironic. egged, but it was ironic. somebody showed a tweet of his taking the mick out of jeremy corbyn egged, and i corbyn when he was egged, and i thought but for the grace thought there. but for the grace of look, i'm putting it of god, go look, i'm putting it on the screen. but, you know, i think it's. that doesn't mean. martin. look at by if martin. look at by the way, if you're not watching, you're listening, not watching, let you. let me just tell you. >> sorry to interrupt. you've >> sorry to interrupt. so you've seen girl? wandered seen this girl? she's wandered up she's launched up to martin. she's launched this this copper is this egg and this copper is about, i don't maybe like about, i don't know, maybe like 30cm whatever. behind i 30cm or whatever. behind her. i mean, could been mean, that could have been anything. she was throwing him. the copper just didn't

the kind of copper just didn't really anything. nothing really do anything. nothing really do anything. nothing really of really happens. he just kind of stands , what stands there. yeah, well, what i would say is that with the police, their jobs to police, one of their jobs is to maintain public order, and they have to a calculation. have to make a calculation. >> and in the moment, is >> and in the moment, which is if prosecute a certain if i, uh, prosecute a certain course action, that course of action, will that create order situation? create a public order situation? you can agree or disagree, but that's be their rationale. all right. >> all right. >> all right. >> me the fair point. >> let me that's the fair point. >> let me that's the fair point. >> that absolutely proves the point. it's about fear. who is who the most. and who is threatening the most. and the are of that the police are afraid of that mob. and it's appalling. and the police leadership should hang their heads in shame for allowing. they've literally left their own frontline officers unprotected and defenceless without the right gear. they should have had the tsg there with serious kit. no nonsense and actually respect the law or you're going to be arrested. so they well, i'd scrap the tsg if that's a separate debate. >> i think the amount of compensation claims people get out of them, it's costing the taxpayer an arm and a leg. but what i would is on this, you what i would say is on this, you know, margaret thatcher went through it's very important through and it's very important to dismiss what lindsay

to not dismiss what lindsay hall's hugely hall's saying, that hugely important the ira important mark thatcher, the ira tried her couple of tried to blow her up a couple of times. indeed. and look, times. indeed. and i look, i'm on the i don't like on the left. i don't like margaret but fair play on the left. i don't like mttheret but fair play on the left. i don't like mtthe woman. but fair play on the left. i don't like mtthe woman. she but fair play on the left. i don't like mtthe woman. she carried play on the left. i don't like mtthe woman. she carried oniy to the woman. she carried on with her political agenda and it didn't put her off. and i do wonder and worry about a political class won't political class which won't want to critiqued , want to to be critiqued, won't want to be held accountable they'll be held accountable and they'll use language safe space use the language of safe space offence . uh, hashtag be kind . offence. uh, hashtag be kind. and i'm not suggesting serious things have happened. mike freer, jo cox, etc. but i'm worried you can over compensate. >> and i remember david emerson , >> and i remember david emerson, i remember all so you, sir david, of course you'll be familiar. he was, um, killed by murdered by an islamist fanatic. and i remember the conversation in the house of commons was not about how on earth do we clamp down on islamist extremists ? um, down on islamist extremists? um, it all about hashtag bekind. it was all about hashtag bekind. can we all start talking to each other nicely and tweeting nice things to each other? it's an absolute shambles. and this , i'm absolute shambles. and this, i'm telling you, is going to get absolute, absolutely worse. and i'll that woman

i'll just say this that woman that chucked egg at martin that chucked that egg at martin daubney, you imagine for daubney, can you imagine for a split second if that was someone like a tommy robinson in one of his supporters, someone on the opposite that if opposite side of that fence? if they , they wouldn't even have they, they wouldn't even have got in the pocket to got the hand in the pocket to pick they'd have pick anything out. they'd have been their been pepper sprayed in their eyes pushed to down that eyes and pushed to down that floor. complete and utter floor. it is complete and utter double standards in policing floor. it is complete and utter dwhat standards in policing floor. it is complete and utter dwhat are ndards in policing floor. it is complete and utter dwhat are we rds in policing floor. it is complete and utter dwhat are we going policing floor. it is complete and utter dwhat are we going to policing floor. it is complete and utter dwhat are we going to do»licing floor. it is complete and utter dwhat are we going to do about . what are we going to do about it all? get in and tell me it all? get in touch and tell me i've got yeah, i've got a supporter there. you tell me what think to all of that at what you think to all of that at home. much to home. there is much more to discuss. evening i want discuss. uh, this evening i want to talk to you about council tax and lots more. and i'll bring you into conversation. see you into the conversation. see you

give these people a voice because they are voiceless. >> earlier on, gb news radio earlier on breakfast. >> pressure is mounting on the speaker of the house of commons to resign after proceedings yesterday descended into absolute chaos . absolute chaos. >> and i feel bad for him today because he's taking the blame and apologising for a situation that he couldn't have foreseen. >> we're talking about women at

the peak of their career, women with lots of experience who are then struggling with menopausal symptoms. >> honest to god, at this very moment in time. it's like the river thames down top. i am river thames down my top. i am sweating so much. i'm 43 and it's embarrassing . it's embarrassing. >> in every morning it's breakfast from 6 am. hope you can join . us can join. us >> hi there, i'm michelle dewberry with you till seven richard tice and our ambassador braverman alongside me. i just want to take a second to bring you guys into last you guys into that last conversation. says sir conversation. barry says sir lindsay hoyle absolutely should remain in office. uh, he would rather put his trust and belief in him rather than the vast majority of the mps he sees in the chamber. june says. why did john becker get away with all of this convention breaking and all the rest of it over a number of years? but sir lindsay makes one mistake under pressure, alistair, the mob now have control our democracy. and control of our democracy. and britain, once knew it, is

britain, as we once knew it, is dying. philip says. no doubt in my mind that sir lindsay hoyle was out the labour was got out by the labour bullyboys chris is to bullyboys chris starmer is to blame and has lied about threatening hoyle. i can tell you now , um, you are divided , you now, um, you are divided, steve says. he's got to do the right thing and resign. there's not a lot of respect, i have to say, for the goings on in westminster last night. that's hardly surprising, is it? when you see scenes like that, are you see scenes like that, are you more inclined to connect with politics or less? i better know answer to that know the answer to that one. anyway, your anyway, let's talk about your council shall we? because council tax, shall we? because 136 in england and 136 councils in england and they're increase they're going to increase your council maximum council tax by the maximum amount allowed, 4.99. amount allowed, a 4.99. otherwise they have to go to a referendum . um, um, you've got referendum. um, um, you've got other places by the way, like slough and all the rest of it. they're going to raise it by 10. birmingham i mean, the absolute shambles of a shambles, the absolute that is absolute shambles that is birmingham city council have said going to raise said that they're going to raise it by 21% over the next two years. i wouldn't mind if you actually had a half a decent service, but most often we don't

anyway, where are you on it all? >> don't think the >> well, i don't think the council model itself is broken. >> michelle. what's broken is the ability the council the ability of the council rulers and the senior officers to run a proper budget . budget to run a proper budget. budget and to decide actually where you really need to spend money as opposed to spending money unnecessarily procuring services badly . whole load of massive badly. whole load of massive spend on wokeist shoes and they've got to be really tough. you know, we all are tough with our budgets and you say you can't afford this, you can't afford you can't spend too afford that. you can't spend too much are a number much money. there are a number of that have already of councils that have already gone like birmingham gone bust, like birmingham city council . i gone bust, like birmingham city council. i think there are dozens and of others who dozens and dozens of others who are on the brink, who are right on the brink, who probably go over the next probably will go over the next year it's year or so. so look, it's serious, it's a complete serious, but it's a complete failure the management the failure of the management by the councils, opposed to the councils, as opposed to the model being broken. councils, as opposed to the modeithat being broken. councils, as opposed to the modeithat do yeing broken. councils, as opposed to the modeithat do you| broken. councils, as opposed to the modeithat do you agreeen. councils, as opposed to the modeithat do you agree with >> is that do you agree with that? the model is fine, but it's the individuals that are managing it. >> think we need reform of >> i think we need reform of council that's council tax, but that's a separate you know, people separate issue. you know, people have years and have said that for 30 years and it moved. i agree with

it hasn't moved. i agree with richard in terms of bad procurement is a huge issue. um, pay procurement is a huge issue. um, pay attention to what happens in your closely. so your local council closely. so many made. your local council closely. so many tory, made. your local council closely. so many tory, lib made. your local council closely. so many tory, lib dem. made. your local council closely. so many tory, lib dem. it�*nade. labour, tory, lib dem. it doesn't um, with lib dem doesn't matter. um, with lib dem councils, i always ask how is it possible to spend so much money on bollards? but that's a rather niche issue on on birmingham city council, there's 21, partly because of, well, overwhelmingly because of, well, overwhelmingly because of, well, overwhelmingly because of these historic claims about which is around about pay quite which is around £1 billion, 21% increase in council tax, 600 layoffs. they're going to have to sell about £1 billion worth of assets, huge cuts to adult social care , child care social care, child care provision , huge cuts and i just provision, huge cuts and i just think, look, if we want growth in this country, we're going to have to get it from manchester, leeds, birmingham , smaller leeds, birmingham, smaller cities to nottingham , cities to nottingham, southampton, portsmouth. that's the lowest of the low hanging fruit and crucifying them like this is not the way to do it. that's not to let the people responsible off the hook, but by the way, most of them aren't in

office anymore. >> so yeah, but hang on a second. >> so why should my viewer in, i don't know, grimsby or wherever? why they be responsible don't know, grimsby or wherever? wh'their they be responsible don't know, grimsby or wherever? wh'their taxesey be responsible don't know, grimsby or wherever? wh'their taxes for3e responsible don't know, grimsby or wherever? wh'their taxes for bailingynsible don't know, grimsby or wherever? wh'their taxes for bailing outile via their taxes for bailing out what this council who quite frankly broke the law , frankly basically broke the law, didn't follow basic rules didn't even follow basic rules when it comes to equal pay. >> well , when quote unquote >> well, when they quote unquote broke law , the body broke the law, the body which determined the law, determined they broke the law, the supreme court didn't even exist. >> so i think we have to have a conversation about actually that case itself. you have two case itself. look, you have two bodies workers birmingham, case itself. look, you have two bodithis workers birmingham, case itself. look, you have two bodithis willrkers birmingham, case itself. look, you have two bodithis will be 's birmingham, case itself. look, you have two bodithis will be a birmingham, case itself. look, you have two bodithis will be a case'mingham, case itself. look, you have two bodithis will be a case for1gham, and this will be a case for dozens of councils across the rest of the country. some workers a trade workers decided to join a trade union. better paying union. they got better paying conditions. workers conditions. other workers didn't. then seen post didn't. that's then seen post facto retrospectively as unfair . facto retrospectively as unfair. and those workers, despite not being in a union, got rewards. i don't know if that's necessarily a wise way to do things, because the cost is crucifying a whole city. >> well, look, you say that we should have the conversation about reforming this model a different day, but actually, jeremy says it is time to completely reform this whole thing. >> bring the poll tax back. he

says , well, let's have this out says, well, let's have this out then, shall we? don't go anywhere into let's carry on this conversation then. we this conversation then. do we need reform council tax ? have need to reform council tax? have you got a better model the you got a better model than the current ipso tell me what current one? ipso tell me what it see

hi there, i'm michelle tew brit school 7:00 hour in boston and richard tice remain along side me. um, again, i'm telling you, you really are getting in touch about this situation in westminster. carol says it's obvious from last night who is in charge. and put it this way, michelle, it wasn't the people inside parliament. a lot of people, carol, will agree with that sentiment, i'm sure. anyway, the break, anyway, look, before the break, we just talking about we were just talking about council mess. so council tax. absolute mess. so many councils now putting up their taxes the maximum their taxes to the maximum amount allowed before a reference . um, one of my viewers reference. um, one of my viewers says reform the whole system. so if you were going to reform the whole system, richard, how would you reform it? >> i wouldn't the system.

>> i wouldn't reform the system. >> i wouldn't reform the system. >> i wouldn't reform the system. >> i don't think it's the system. i think unfortunately, it's people. the it's the people. it's the councillors, the senior officers. down officers. they're letting down their voters. >> all their voters. >> they can't all be ridiculous. >> they can't all be ridiculous. >> why they're >> no, but that's why they're going bust. >> michelle, because they're running and running their budgets and their councils that's the councils badly. and that's the consequence. so what what consequence. and so what what voters got do is you've voters have got to do is you've got use your vote and you've got to use your vote and you've got to use your vote and you've got out incompetent got to vote out incompetent councillors in do councillors and put in place. do you competent, system you think competent, fair system then it's based now? then the way it's based now? >> so in of the values and >> so in terms of the values and all rest no system is perfect. >> but i certainly haven't heard of better system. of a better system. >> so no reform from richard. >> so no reform from richard. >> would you reform it? >> would you reform it? >> if you keep it then i think you increase capital you have to increase capital gains because obviously gains tax because obviously people increase in gains tax because obviously peo value increase in gains tax because obviously peo value of increase in gains tax because obviously peovalue of their increase in gains tax because obviously peovalue of their increasese in the value of their increase taxes. >> they spend it so badly i would cut vat and would would cut vat and i would increase capital gains. >> i would say is where >> but what i would say is where we agree is there are so many incompetent councillors would incompetent councillors i would halve councillors halve the number of councillors and them double, so we get and pay them double, so we get more professional more serious professional people involved. a hobby involved. right now it's a hobby for who are serial incompetents. >> as clare i live in >> as clare says, i live in france and our council tax. there month. maybe the

there is ,30 a month. maybe the uk needs to go over to france and ask some on how and ask for some tips on how they it . and many, many they manage it. and many, many people i've got to say are saying is the fairest saying poll tax is the fairest way to dennis or denise. i think it is , says poll tax was the it is, says poll tax was the fairest tax ever. the more people in a household , the more people in a household, the more services they use, and therefore the you pay, he says. the most tax you pay, he says. or she says it was the free loaders that didn't like that system. or you're a harsh person , morris said. look, this is simple . it's , morris said. look, this is simple. it's all , morris said. look, this is simple . it's all about the simple. it's all about the decline of local news papers. now, nobody essentially is holding these local councils to account, and that is why all of these shenanigans are going on. well, there you go, aaron agrees with that one. look, i just want to squeeze another topic in before i do depart. um, because shoplifting, we know now, don't we? it is absolute sky high in certain places. well now we've got shops that are trialling artificial intelligence to help them protect certain goods. so stuff alcohol basically. so stuff like alcohol basically. so you've got these cupboards and you're putting stuff you're essentially putting stuff behind key. way you

behind lock and key. the way you unlock these you can unlock these stuff, you can vary. can have different vary. you can have different options. you can do it as simple as a passcode. you can be getting sent to your getting codes sent to your mobile do facial mobile phone. you can do facial recognition. are we getting to the now where people are the point now where people are such tea leaves that we need to start stuff away more in shops? >>i shops? >> i mean, sadly, that's the reality. >> that's why these stores are are looking at these these trials . because shoplifting to trials. because shoplifting to me, because it's no deterrent . me, because it's no deterrent. you have to have a deterrent in to order get people to comply with law. and order. >> and i remember speaking of deterrent, you was on my program not that long ago. we was talking shoplifters, talking about shoplifters, and you that you thought you said to me that you thought shopkeeper be shopkeeper shopkeepers should be armed taser. armed with a taser. >> now, look, i think we've got to a proper deterrent. what to have a proper deterrent. what i and foremost i would have first and foremost is, example, you shouldn't is, for example, you shouldn't be able to masks or hoods be able to have masks or hoods in so that you be seen in shops so that you can be seen on cctv and then actually when you're one strike you're caught, it's one strike and take them away and you're out, take them away for three months. what if someone's a burqa? someone's wearing a burqa? >> not allowed in? >> are they not allowed in? >> are they not allowed in? >> we have to deal with >> well, we have to deal with these we have to talk

these issues. we have to talk about because otherwise, about it because otherwise, that's what the shoplifters will about it because otherwise, tha'the'hat the shoplifters will about it because otherwise, tha'the shopliftersyplifters will about it because otherwise, tha'the shopliftersypliftthen ill do. the shoplifters will then abuse headwear in abuse that religious headwear in order to get around the issue . order to get around the issue. >> aaron, what do you make to it? >> i mean, if you're wearing a baseball cap and sunglasses on a sunny it's probably quite sunny day, it's probably quite irritating. i can logic. irritating. i can see the logic. what i would say is i think technology actually solve technology actually can solve this. article. this. i saw the article. i thought, that's really smart, but i think what we're seeing right now with shoplifting, which problem, is really which is a problem, is really the social downside of self—service checkouts. you know, growing up it was so normal to people there normal just to see people there that that was that that itself was a disincentive . you see it also, disincentive. you see it also, by the way, with fewer conductors on on trains, just that human presence changes the feel of the interaction since they've gone . i think people they've gone. i think people feel a bit more at ease to do this kind of thing. and that proposal seems very smart. >> what do you make to that? do you?i >> what do you make to that? do you? i mean, have you seen the footage that i've seen? i've seen so many examples of it now where they are so where people, they are so brazen, go to different brazen, they go up to different shelves whatever, and they shelves or whatever, and they

are filling their pants are just filling their pants quite not even quite literally. i'm not even joking, their pants with joking, filling their pants with whatever would you a whatever it is. would you stop a shoplifter saw someone shoplifter if you saw someone nicking whatever? shoplifter if you saw someone niciyeah, whatever? shoplifter if you saw someone niciyeah, i whatever? shoplifter if you saw someone niciyeah, i would, vhatever? shoplifter if you saw someone niciyeah, i would, i|atever? shoplifter if you saw someone niciyeah, i would, i would? >> yeah, i would, i would actually and in the good old days you give them a damn good clip round the ear, frankly. days you give them a damn good clipbut nd the ear, frankly. days you give them a damn good clipbut nowadays, frankly. days you give them a damn good clipbut nowadays, frankly sort of >> but nowadays you get sort of charged with assault. that's the problem. there's a lack of deterrent, respect, deterrent, the lack of respect, and deal with it. and we've got to deal with it. >> you intervene and stop >> would you intervene and stop someone nicking stuff if it was an independent store? >> if it's a >> absolutely. if it's a supermarket a chain, don't supermarket or a chain, i don't know. but if you know, i have a local store where local independent store where i know the person i know the person who owns it, i know the person who owns it, i know workers. i know they know the workers. i know they looked absolutely. looked after, absolutely. i'd stop going to stop them. yeah this is going to sound weak. sound really weak. >> and i know that >> and liam and i know that you're going have a go at me, you're going to have a go at me, but i. i don't think i'd put my life on the line for a six, six pack of smoky rashers. pack of smoky bacon rashers. i just don't. and i get it. and i don't want shops to go under and i don't want prices to rise. but i don't want prices to rise. but i would worried. and this is i would be worried. and this is one of the nuts and bolts of this knife crime. i would be worried that fella had worried that that fella had a knife his pants and i would

knife in his pants and i would think, i don't know, a pack of cheddar life. my life cheddar versus my life. my life would win out. i have to say. >> but but it's all it's all related to the lack of a deterrent that creates a complete of respect for law complete lack of respect for law and you know, it's low level >> and, you know, it's low level sort of shoplifting and at the worst level, it's carrying a knife and using it. >> um, well, they go and by the way, some these security >> um, well, they go and by the way, s0|even these security >> um, well, they go and by the way, s0|even thes don'trrity >> um, well, they go and by the way, s0|even thes don't want to guards, even they don't want to intervene, do uh, many intervene, do they? uh, many people would you people would say, well, you should pair more and then should pair them more and then perhaps they would intervene. should pair them more and then perifranklyey would intervene. should pair them more and then perifrankly says,jld intervene. should pair them more and then perifrankly says,jld intencall. uh, frankly says, can you call shoplifting it's actually shoplifting what it's actually called there is called organised crime. there is a lot of thought and consideration this. consideration going into this. i hear saying anyway. hear what you're saying anyway. look, aaron, that's all got look, aaron, that's all i've got time thank you time for. richard. thank you very uh importantly, thank very much. uh importantly, thank you of at i you to all of you at home. i appreciate each and every one of you. all got time you. that's all i've got time for. but don't go anywhere because nigel farage is up next. have night. now. night have a good night. now. night >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your

latest weather update with me, annie, from the met office. a mixture of sunshine and showers for many of us on friday. there is a risk of hail and thunder, though, it will feel though, and it will feel a little bit cooler than of late. that's because this cold front has swept across country has swept across the country through today, bringing that heavy it we heavy rain. but behind it we have a slightly more have got a slightly more typically air mass this typically warm air mass for this time so it will be time of year. so it will be feeling much to average . feeling much closer to average. that a colder night that means a colder night tonight we will see a tonight and we will see a westerly in westerly wind bringing in showers so parts showers from the west. so parts of the southwest, of wales, the southwest, northwest many western northwest england, many western areas will see some areas of scotland will see some quite persistent showers overnight. and will fall overnight. and these will fall as the highest ground as snow over the highest ground above 3 or 400m. so it will be a colder start to the day. we could be down as low as —3 or 4 across parts of northeastern scotland , but many eastern areas scotland, but many eastern areas will see a much drier and brighter start to there brighter start to friday. there will be some fairly pleasant feeling. sunshine as well. however, in the west we will see showers quite quickly developing and will push into the and these will push into the east the afternoon. these east by the afternoon. these bnng east by the afternoon. these bring hail and bring that risk of hail and thunder it could be quite thunder so it could be quite

unpleasant if do get caught unpleasant if you do get caught in however in sunny in one. however in any sunny spells continue to feel spells it will continue to feel fairly highs of 9 or fairly pleasant. highs of 9 or 10 degrees on saturday after a fairly dry start to the day, we will see the mist and fog clear. we'll be fairly chilly though and many areas will see a dry rest of the day as well. though some northern areas could see some northern areas could see some showers lingering. we'll see some more persistent rain move the south on sunday, move into the south on sunday, but northern areas will get but many northern areas will get away fairly dry weekend . away with a fairly dry weekend. >> things are heating >> looks like things are heating up boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on

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cpac in maryland . i'll be joined cpac in maryland. i'll be joined by donald trump's daughter in law, lara trump, now a co—chair of the rnc . we'll talk about of the rnc. we'll talk about trump's takeover of the conservative movement in america and i'll be joined by a british guest that's here. yes, former prime minister liz truss will join me live on the program, too. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you. and good evening to you. well, the top story from the gb newsroom tonight is that the prime minister says he is very concerned about commons concerned about the commons speaker's the gaza speaker's handling of the gaza ceasefire debate yesterday . it ceasefire debate yesterday. it comes after dozens of mps stormed out of parliament last night , with tempers flaring stormed out of parliament last night, with tempers flaring as three of the biggest political parties sought to outmanoeuvre one another over the vote . sir one another over the vote. sir lindsay hoyle has since reiterated his apology for allowing both government and labour amendments to be debated . labour amendments to be debated. rishi sunak says changing the