the home secretary , >> however, the home secretary, james cleverly, rejects his predecessor's claim, saying that britain is a high functioning democracy who's right and £12 billion. >> that's how much taxpayers have sent to ukraine in aid since russia's invasion. two years ago. that's enough to build 30 new hospitals in britain . but with putin more britain. but with putin more belligerent than ever , can the belligerent than ever, can the west afford not to fund ukraine's campaign? >> it's all about money today, isn't it? it's money to ukraine. money for shamima begum. although i think those two are slightly different moral questions. but, um, no money to suella braverman, no to money suella? um, no. but it does seem that there is a lot of money floating around in these questions, and i suppose at a time when budgets seem pretty strapped all over the place ,

strapped all over the place, it's how how do we have a system thatis it's how how do we have a system that is potentially funnelling millions of pounds to shamima begum and her appeals? >> yeah. mean , potentially >> yeah. i mean, potentially millions on this case. and millions going on this case. and she has the right to then appeal this again and potentially again after that . i mean, how much after that. i mean, how much money can we possibly spend on a girl who chose to go off to syria to take part in isis activity , to marry an isis , um, activity, to marry an isis, um, agent or whatever you want to call him a terrorist. and then apparently , according to human apparently, according to human rights advocates , she's a rights advocates, she's a victim. but why? she's being bullied, she is. she's the victim. >> famous people in the country. if she wanted to fund this herself, she perfectly well could do it. >> apparently, she has no resources. >> i don't believe i don't believe someone name believe that someone with name recognition as shamima recognition as high as shamima begum no resources. begum could have no resources. she do a tell all she could do a tell all interview to someone and get some pretty, pretty. she's pretty. penny for that? well yeah, she probably could. >> could start

>> actually. she could start a go fund me. >> someone could ghostwrite a book.she >> someone could ghostwrite a book. she could put that on. and do you know what would sell? do you know what it would sell? probably she could. probably pretty well. she could. she could do modelling. she could um, she could. could start, um, she could. well, have bit well, she did have a bit of a glow didn't she did. glow up, didn't she? she did. i mean, my goodness, so many ways that she could raise private capital to fund this. she capital to fund this. why is she relying taxpayer? relying on the taxpayer? >> i mean, her solicitor saying we going to stop we are not going to stop fighting does get fighting until she does get justice, is safely justice, until she is safely back sounds a bit of back home? sounds a bit of a threat let us know what threat there. let us know what you make of this. all. we're going to be a of going to be having a bit of a fiery debate later in the show, so get your views in before we get to that. views at gb get to that. gb views at gb news. but it's your news. com but it's your headlines. >> emily thank you and good afternoon. your top stories from the gb news room. isis bride shamima begum has lost an appeal over the removal of her british citizenship . the now 24 year old citizenship. the now 24 year old was a teenager when she left the uk to travel to syria and joined the so—called islamic state. her citizenship was later revoked on national security grounds. begum

solicitor has vowed to continue fighting until she gets justice and is safely back home. human rights lawyer david hague says other avenues can still be pursued. >> see what happened with the court of appeal. they've upheld the decisions of the special immigration appeal, um court. earlier um, and this is, you know, a long, long journey that , know, a long, long journey that, um, that miss begum's been on. um, and it certainly , though not um, and it certainly, though not the end of the court battles and it certainly was a resounding rejection. but now we look towards the supreme court , and towards the supreme court, and i'm sure her legal teams will be doing that. so it's not the end . doing that. so it's not the end. >> and britain has signed a new deal with the eu's border agency in a further bid to stop small boat crossings. the deal, agreed with frontex, will see uk border force cooperate more closely with its european counterparts on intelligence and training this morning the home secretary and european home affairs commissioner signed the landmark

agreement. 1716 people have been intercepted illegally crossing the channel so far this year. james cleverly says the deal will help tackle the problem. >> it means we can share information quicker , share information quicker, share intelligence quicker, we can operate more effectively and the reason that's important is because the eu wants to secure its external borders, just as we do so people who are coming into europe from eastern europe, across the mediterranean , in the across the mediterranean, in the european union, want to stop them. we want to help them, stop them, because those people filter through europe and ultimately find themselves on small boats coming across to the uk . how holds will see their uk. how holds will see their energy bills drop to the lowest level in two years? >> energy regulator ofgem has announced it's dropping the price cap by 12.3% in response to wholesale prices effective from april . it means the typical from april. it means the typical energy bill will fall by £238 . energy bill will fall by £238. to £1,690. the prime minister

says it's unacceptable for intimidation to threaten democracy. his comments come after the commons speaker faces growing pressure to resign over the gaza ceasefire debate . sir the gaza ceasefire debate. sir lindsay hoyle says a decision to allow an amendment was motivated by concern about mps safety. rishi sunak police will be given, says police will be given more powers to clamp down on protests around parliament. mps offices and council chambers, with number 10 saying it was wrong to project anti—israel messages on big ben. >> i think mps safety is incredibly important and it's right that in our society , every right that in our society, every democracy needs to be able to function smoothly. people need to be able to raise their views and debate things without the to be able to raise their views and ofbate things without the to be able to raise their views and of being1ings without the to be able to raise their views and of being intimidatedt the to be able to raise their views and of being intimidated or1e fear of being intimidated or indeed attacked. and that's why we are giving the police more powers to clamp down on protests . it's simply unacceptable . . it's simply unacceptable. >> serial child killer lucy netbeez bid to appeal her

convictions will be heard in court in april. convictions will be heard in court in april . she was court in april. she was sentenced to 14 whole life orders after she killed seven babies and attempted to murder six others at a hospital where she worked between june 2015 and 2016. if judges declined to give permission, it'll be the end of the appeal process for let be the appeal process for let be the hearing will provisionally be held on april the 25th. thousands of people in plymouth are evacuating their homes following the discovery of an unexploded second world war bomb . devon and cornwall police found the object in a garden on tuesday morning in the same area. it's set to be transported by a military convoy through the city for disposal at sea. any resident living within 300m of that convoy route will need to evacuate their home between 2 and 5:00 this afternoon. soon over 3200 people have been affected . the biggest ever drug affected. the biggest ever drug bust has been made by uk authorities . in a major blow to

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>> we're going to cross live to downing street and speak to our gb news political editor christopher hope, who is standing there having spoken to the prime minister's official spokesman. just some moments ago and, chris, we understand you have heard a new line from this government on the shamima begum case. that's right. >> hi, tom. and hi, emily. that's right. the government has settled number 10 has said, therefore the pm is speaking through his spokesman, that they welcome this decision not to give shamima begum her uk citizenship back. um, they say that also that they take these decisions on deprivation of citizenship. very careful . and citizenship. very careful. and they're not done easily or lightly. so they don't go further than that. there are other avenues open to begum. number 10 suggests, and it's a

legal case and therefore it must carry on. but they welcome this decision today taken by the courts. christopher, i understand that um, also questions were asked about what happened with the pro—palestinian protests at big ben. >> that projection of from the river to the sea on big ben and the police stood by and did nothing . what did the government nothing. what did the government have to say about that? >> yeah. yet again, i think number 10 is slightly at odds with policy with with the met police, the biggest police force in this country. we saw, didn't we? their videos posted by our colleague martin daubney online of how, um, big ben was there with that, that offensive message to jews and to people from israel saying from the river to the sea, implying that israel should be swept away. those onto big those words were beamed onto big ben. martin daubney saw where that projector was. he said the police were looking at the projector and not doing anything . has now stepped projector and not doing anything . after has now stepped projector and not doing anything . after mps has now stepped projector and not doing anything . after mps raised1as now stepped projector and not doing anything . after mps raised it; now stepped projector and not doing anything . after mps raised it inow stepped in after mps raised it in parliament yesterday. number 10 being very clear, they say while it's operational issue on the

it's an operational issue on the ground and mr sunak spokesman said most people would see said that most people would see that they saw was wrong. so that what they saw was wrong. so it's wrong for those words to be projected onto onto parliament. and there are actually laws stopping that happening . but stopping that happening. but they appeared not to have been appued they appeared not to have been applied in this case. they recognise, of course, that operation. it's to the met operation. it's up to the met police decide how police police to decide how to police safety, how to police all of our pubuc safety, how to police all of our public buildings. clearly public buildings. but clearly rishi sunak thinks that was wrong that those words were wrong, that those words were allowed to be portrayed onto parliament and were not challenged or stopped police. challenged or stopped by police. >> people might raise >> some people might raise an eyebrow there. chris that the government commenting on an operational of the operational decision of the police. after all, the former home secretary , suella home secretary, suella braverman, part lost her job braverman, in part lost herjob through criticising the operational decisions of the police. is it okay for rishi sunak to imply that he's critical of those decisions? but for suella braverman, she's not allowed to . allowed to. >> well , in this allowed to. >> well, in this case, tom, number 10 has stayed the right line of the argument. they're

saying that this was an operational matter. it's for the police to police how they see fit. they know what the laws are, they're also saying fit. they know what the laws are, most|ey're also saying fit. they know what the laws are, most people .so saying fit. they know what the laws are, most people see laying fit. they know what the laws are, most people see what they that most people see what they saw so they're trying saw was wrong. so they're trying to their cake eat it. to have their cake and eat it. in a sense, they're saying people are right to be upset by mps the commons yesterday, mps in the commons yesterday, saying upset it. this saying they're upset by it. this is offensive for jews is offensive language for jews and from being and those from israel being betrayed cradle of our betrayed on on the cradle of our democracy. while that was wrong, it's up to the police to police operationally. so they're trying to draw a line between those two issues describing. there issues you're describing. there >> very curious as to what >> i'm very curious as to what actually an offence actually constitutes an offence in this case. the met police saying it didn't on this occasion, i'm not quite sure the pubuc occasion, i'm not quite sure the public will quite understand the law there and how it's applied , law there and how it's applied, but very interesting how the prime minister's spokesman says perhaps what he's thinking, but through the words that most people think this it's people would think this it's sort it's sort of a very sort of it's sort of a very weaselly way which you can weaselly way in which you can get around that particular issue. >> christopher hope live from downing you very much. >> my opinion. but many would

say say this , and say many would say this, and therefore we can sort of get away with things that away with saying things that otherwise well, otherwise we wouldn't. well, there interesting. from there we go. interesting. from number 10 now isis bride number 10 now the isis bride shamima will not stop shamima begum will not stop fighting her appeal fighting as she loses her appeal to british citizenship to have her british citizenship reinstated after revoked . reinstated after it was revoked. in february 2019. >> court appeal ruling >> the court of appeal ruling means that she remains in syria with no chance of returning to the uk , the upholding the uk, with the court upholding that national security trumps all of her complaints. >> well, shamima begum, solicitor, promised her and the government they not government that they are not going stop fighting until she going to stop fighting until she does justice and until she does get justice and until she is safely back home. shamima begum, course, travelled to begum, of course, travelled to syria 2015 join islamic syria in 2015 to join islamic state at the age of 15 years old. >> well, let's get more on this now with gb news reporter charlie peters and charlie, this has been a saga and a half. it was back in 20 1918 that sajid javid, the then home secretary, she said that she couldn't return to the uk. it's been a long time to get this ruling . long time to get this ruling. >> isla bryson sajid javid defended secretary, made that

decision stripped of her citizenship some four days after that interview with the times newspaper, which made her famous the world over. >> and many are saying today that it's her publicity that has cost her all these legal losses over the years, because , as over the years, because, as you'll recall, back in 2019, when she was expelled , used for when she was expelled, used for travelling to syria and exposed for surviving the operation shader operation to target islamic state in iraq and syria. she said that seeing severed headsin she said that seeing severed heads in a bin did not faze her, and we also heard accusations that she denied that she'd also been involved in stitching suicide vests to isis fighters. she went to on make several other ill fated comments in these turtle interviews with other journalists, including that the yazidi women of the kurdish women of northern iraq , kurdish women of northern iraq, um, she saw them as almost justified in the suffering they faced. the, the, the massive

abuse that happened because the same thing happens to other women in iraq. of her islamic persuasion. she also said that those who had been killed were enemies of islam. but since 2021, she has undergone a sort of a rapid pr campaign, saying that she regrets joining isis. she regrets what she'd been involved with, where she'd given moral and wifely succour, possibly also operational support to one of the world's most evil terrorist organisations. in this latest appeal organisations. in this latest appeal, where she challenged the decision by the special immigration appeals commission, she made five claims saying that it was the case that she'd been trafficked in 2015 when, aged 15, she'd fled from bethnal green to syria. and she also said that there had been a procedural failing in the process insofar as she had not been able to make submissions as to why she should be allowed to return and fight for her citizenship. well, that's the only part of her submission that

the three judges accepted today. but they went on to say that it would have made no difference whatsoever to the outcome, and that national security trumps all. where does shamima begum go next? here? well, it was a unanimous decision today at the court of appeal. so her lawyers might want to fight on, as they say , and possibly take this to say, and possibly take this to the supreme court. but even they must know that the end surely must know that the end is surely nigh when comes to the legal nigh when it comes to the legal approaches. what we are more likely to see i suspect, is likely to see now, i suspect, is a sort of moral campaign to bnng a sort of moral campaign to bring shamima begum home, as they say they might point to the other european and indeed some nafionsin other european and indeed some nations in the anglosphere that have returned and repatriated foreign fighters and their wives . canada last year repatriated 14 women who had been involved in the terror organisation , in the terror organisation, which was heavily criticised by the conservatives in canada . the conservatives in canada. kyrgyzstan also most recently recovered dozens of isis brides. but shamima begum, as it stands, will be receiving this news in

the al—hol camp in northeastern syria . 40,000 people are there, syria. 40,000 people are there, some 10,000 to 20,000 are foreign fighters . what happens foreign fighters. what happens to them remains in the balance . to them remains in the balance. >> well, thank you very much indeed, charlie peters, our reporter, for bringing us that summary, that report. and we're going having a debate going to be having a debate later on in the show on this very issue, whether she should come britain and face come back to britain and face justice or whether she justice here or whether she should essentially left to should essentially be left to rot syria. rot in syria. >> yeah . and it's a really >> yeah. and it's a really fascinating, really strong views on either side. we're going to be speaking person who be speaking to one person who believes fundamentally the only sort can get is sort of justice she can get is rotting a british prison. and rotting in a british prison. and another who thinks that another person who thinks that really our problem really it's not our problem getting her back in any sort of form fundamental form would be a fundamental danger to the united kingdom. >> that question of how much we've been spending on all this? yeah, crazy. someone's yeah, it is crazy. someone's got in said i'd much in touch and said i'd much prefer my money going towards ukraine towards ukraine than going towards begum's legal challenges, but there go . let us know what there you go. let us know what you think. >> you think all of the >> you think with all of the various groups, you'd various advocacy groups, you'd

think the campaigns think with all of the campaigns and charities and open hearted lawyers, they could fund it. they could fund her appeal, lawyers, they could fund it. they could fund her appeal , not they could fund her appeal, not my taxes. >> well , there you go. we're >> well, there you go. we're suckers, aren't we really? um. but has britain been bullied into submission? that's the claim from former home secretary suella braverman , who said suella braverman, who said islamism attacking britain's islamism is attacking britain's institutions well as our institutions as well as our values and freedoms in every walk life. walk of life. >> also issued a rallying >> she also issued a rallying call for brits to not accept defeat and fight against the ever growing influence of islamism , which she called the islamism, which she called the most dangerous terrorist ideology facing the country. >> well , let's get the thoughts >> well, let's get the thoughts of the co—chair of the muslim jewish forum of greater manchester, amin manchester, mohammed amin mohammed. manchester, mohammed amin mojoining d. manchester, mohammed amin mojoining me now. suella forjoining me now. suella braverman has claimed, most controversially , that islamists controversially, that islamists extreme theists and anti—semites are running the country. your thoughts ? thoughts? >> good morning emily. the last i heard rishi sunak was running the country along with the cabinet. i've read suella

braverman telegraph article . braverman telegraph article. suella has never been known to ever be consciously calm and moderate in her language . buried moderate in her language. buried in the article are 1 or 2 valid points. as you'd expect, you can't write an article and get everything wrong, but our islam is running the country. no, the government is running the country . country. >> she got right in that article. >> well, for example , she writes >> well, for example, she writes about the case in batley where a teacher very calmly , carefully, teacher very calmly, carefully, as part of a lesson, showed a an image of a made up sort of image of the prophet muhammad to his class after appropriate warning, etc. >> ah, well, we're going to see if we can re—establish that line to mohammed amin. but yes, it's going to . oh, here we go. we've going to. oh, here we go. we've got mohammed back. sorry about that. we just lost your line for

a second. but you were saying that this case of batley is a real and present problem. >> well, it's not a present problem now, although i gather i don't know if the teacher is still concerned about his safety, but it should never have been allowed to blow up the way that it was. and for a teacher who was behaving in a who was actually behaving in a perfectly calm so perfectly sensible, calm way. so there are nuggets of truth in what she writes. but i think she exaggerates her language, is a moderate and intemperate and the whole thrust of the article overblows the problem. it doesn't mean that there aren't real problems, but i think while the exaggerated um, do you think that perhaps she was using what one might call rhetorical language or or perhaps sleight exaggeration there to drive home a point that perhaps otherwise doesn't get enough attention about the way in which people are perhaps afraid to talk about these issues . these issues. >> not that islamists are running the country, but that the people who are running the country are perhaps sometimes

afraid of tackling the problems and the statements made by people who are extremist . people who are extremist. >> it's well, i don't really want to speculate about her motives for the language that she chooses to use. uh, as i said, she makes1 she chooses to use. uh, as i said, she makes 1 or 2 valid points lost in the extreme language . and what she ignores language. and what she ignores completely is that actually, britain is an incredibly cohesive society . we are cohesive society. we are a society which has a hindu prime minister of indian origin, and nobody blinks. we had a buddhist secretary, home secretary of sri lankan origin until she got herself fired . we have lots of herself fired. we have lots of other senior politicians from different ethnic minority backgrounds. nobody cares . that backgrounds. nobody cares. that is how far we have come . backgrounds. nobody cares. that is how far we have come. in my lifetime. i've lived in this country since 1952, and i've seen it change enormously for the better . we are a much less the better. we are a much less

racist society. we're a much less diverse society. we're much more accepting of people of other faiths, religious faiths, other faiths, religious faiths, other ethnic backgrounds . and other ethnic backgrounds. and it's a society that is going in the right direction . she seems the right direction. she seems to blind to all of this, even when her own life reflects the truth of what i've just said . truth of what i've just said. >> now, mohammed. of course. lastly, this comes after, well, the speaker of the house of commons said that mps were being threatened. uh you've had a number of our politicians standing up in the commons to say that they've received threats from them, what they would call islamist extremists. how do we talk and combat this problem without veering into hyperbole , as you say, the way hyperbole, as you say, the way we deal with the problem and these are real issues. >> i strongly condemn the threats against mike freer mp, for example, is , first of all, for example, is, first of all, by ensuring that we provide as much security as possible and secondly, by being calm with our language every time. suella braverman uses rights . an

braverman uses rights. an article like this tries to whip up tension. actually she's making things. i'm not sure whether calm language is going to solve the problem though. >> with respect mohammed, if there are threats from islamist groups towards our politicians , groups towards our politicians, i'm not sure calm language is going to get anywhere. surely there to be a crackdown of there needs to be a crackdown of sorts of course, if there are threats against groups , groups, threats against groups, groups, groups threatening politicians, they should be prosecuted . they should be prosecuted. >> but it doesn't mean that you have to write hysterical articles like this in the telegraph. well there we go. >> mohammed ahmed, the chair of the muslim jewish forum of greater manchester, thank you very for joining greater manchester, thank you very forjoining us and very much forjoining us and talking through this issue. really important stuff there. yes, i worry if yes, i do wonder, i do worry if these sorts of articles, whilst she has made some very good points , is it, is it helpful? points, is it, is it helpful? >> will it resolve the issue or is it or do we start talking about suella braverman language rather than the actual issue at hand? >> distraction? >> distraction? >> yeah, well let us know what you think. gb views at gb news.

com but coming up, your energy bills fall to their lowest point for two years. this for two years. is this the beginning the cost beginning of the end of the cost of living crisis? and of course, we'll be returning to shamima begum. is good afternoon we'll be returning to shamima begum on is good afternoon we'll be returning to shamima begum on gb s good afternoon we'll be returning to shamima begum on gb news, afternoon we'll be returning to shamima begum on gb news, britain'sn britain on gb news, britain's news .

your listening to gb news radio show . show. >> it's 1226. you're watching and listening to good afternoon britain. lots of you have been getting in touch about shamima begum to have your say. begum wanting to have your say. we'll those. but first, we'll get to those. but first, your household energy bills will fall by £238 per year. good news an average of £20 a month. that's as ofgem unveils its new energy price cap. >> yes, the new price cap means household energy bills should fall by 12.3% from the current rate of over of almost £2,000, down to £1,690 a year. that's from the 1st of april. and of course, this is based on a

typical dual fuel household in england. this sees energy prices reached their lowest level in more than two years, since before russia's invasion of ukraine. >> so joining us in the studio is gb news economics and business editor liam halligan liam, what appears ? liam, is this what it appears? good news. it is broadly good news. >> emily. and it reflects the fact that we've had a relatively mild winter. the second relatively mild winter for, um, since russia invaded ukraine back in february 2022. that's kept wholesale gas prices relatively low, and we still generate at about 40% of our electricity from gas and the spot price of gas, as we say, the market price of wholesale gas really does determine electricity prices due to the weird way our electricity market works. but that's a whole nother story for another time. let's have a look at some of the specific numbers that are going to impact gb news viewers and listeners. their households, their families, their utility bills. and we're talking here about the combined and gas and electricity bill for the typical

household using a typical amount of energy. and here are the specifics. the ofgem energy price cap. that's the regulated amount. that's uh, energy suppliers are allowed to charge will fall from . £1,928 a year to will fall from. £1,928 a year to £1,690. that's from april the first. that's a drop of about 12. that should save the typical household £20 a month . um, you household £20 a month. um, you know, not a huge amounts of money, but certainly helpful to many millions of families. it's worth saying this cap is still 50% higher than pre crisis levels. before russia invaded ukraine, which really rocked global energy markets. so we're nowhere back to normal. prices are cheaper than they were but they're still very elevated by historic standards. so certainly if you're an american household a french household or even a spanish or an italian household, you're paying a lot less for your electricity and your energy

in general than you are here in the uk. and also, it's worth saying the energy companies have been a bit tricksy with the government they government because while they are energy price are lowering their energy price cap lot less , by the way, than cap a lot less, by the way, than wholesale gas prices have come down. so there's some investigations to be done there . investigations to be done there. while they're lowering the energy price cap . and the energy price cap. and the headunes energy price cap. and the headlines your energy headlines are, well, your energy bills are coming down, blah, blah, the rest of blah, blah. all the rest of it. if into the detail, the if you look into the detail, the energy providers actually energy providers have actually chiselled from ofcom , from chiselled out from ofcom, from ofgem, say freudian ofgem, i should say freudian slip there from ofgem . um, the slip there from ofgem. um, the permission to charge households an extra £2.33 a month on average. and what that what is that for the energy companies say that is money which they need the energy companies in order to support households who have got big debts on their energy bills . i don't know about energy bills. i don't know about you, but whenever i talk to people down the pub about energy bills , many of them say, well, bills, many of them say, well, the energy companies got like two grand of my money and it won't give it back to me. what's

going on here? so there are lots of concerns about customer balances with energy companies . balances with energy companies. and it's also worth saying that as part of this announcement, the bit that no one will notice is that the energy companies are being able to charge all households needs and households needs to try and flatter their the energy companies sheets , which companies balance sheets, which to me on first reading seems a bit odd , but um, well, thank you bit odd, but um, well, thank you very much indeed for bringing us that. >> liam liam halligan gb news, economics and business editor thank you very indeed. now thank you very much indeed. now lots of you have been getting in touch about shamima begum. she's lost her appeal again to come back to britain to regain her british citizenship. says british citizenship. peter says shamima was born in britain, so is whether we like it is british, whether we like it or she should never have or not, she should never have had citizenship revoked. i had her citizenship revoked. i say, let's say let her come home. she can face trial and serve in prison here. home. she can face trial and sen heather,on here. home. she can face trial and sen heather, however, thinks how >> heather, however, thinks how come shamima lawyers come shamima begum's lawyers are being legal aid? being paid from uk legal aid? she's been stripped of her british citizenship and therefore is not a british citizen and therefore should no

longer be allowed to claim funds from legal aid. from british legal aid. >> think people probably >> i think most people probably would that. uh, would agree with that. and, uh, alan says if this woman is no longer british how longer a british citizen, how can obtain legal aid? it is can she obtain legal aid? it is this issue of legal aid that is really, irking . are you really, really irking. are you at home and steve? >> what steve says, steve what steve said? >> steve said so her appeal has been denied . been denied. >> how long before she converts to christianity and is welcomed back with open arms? >> and i must say, a lot of you are saying that suella braverman was spot on to was absolutely spot on to talk about threat. uh, about the islamist threat. uh, susan says it's real and growing. we are tolerant and they're being emboldened by our weakness. and i certainly think there is some truth to that. by saying the country is being run by islamists. perhaps that's a little too far. that is a bit extreme. yes, we do have a prime minister, and his name is rishi sunak. he is not an islamist. >> hindu and the last >> he's a hindu and the last time i checked that hindus time i checked that the hindus and the muslims don't always get on parts the world. on in all parts of the world. not i'm casting any not that i'm casting any aspersions all there, but

aspersions at all there, but well, in other news, coming up, the continues to fund ukraine the uk continues to fund ukraine to the tune of £12 billion. >> afford not to fund >> can we afford not to fund them , in their war them though, in their war against putin? we'll be discussing after your discussing that after your headunes discussing that after your headlines tatiana . headlines with tatiana. >> emily, thank you very much and good afternoon. the top stories at 1232 isis bride shamima begum has lost an appeal over the removal of her british citizenship . the now 24 year old citizenship. the now 24 year old was a teenager when she left the uk to travel to syria and joined the so—called islamic state. her citizenship was later revoked on national security grounds. begum solicitor has vowed to continue fighting until she gets justice and is safely back home in. britain has signed a new deal with the eu's border agency in a further bid to stop small boat crossings. the agreement with frontex will see uk border force cooperate more closely with its european counterparts on intelligence and training. 1716

people have been intercepted crossing the channel so far this year. crossing the channel so far this year . serial crossing the channel so far this year. serial child killer crossing the channel so far this year . serial child killer lucy year. serial child killer lucy letby bid to appeal her convictions will be heard by a court in april. the former nurse was sentenced to 14 whole life orders after she murdered seven babies and attempted to kill six others at a hospital between june 2015 and 2016. if judges rule against her, it'll be the end of netbeez appeal process . end of netbeez appeal process. households will see their energy bills drop to the lowest level in two years. energy regulator ofgem has announced it's dropping the price cap by 12.3% in response to wholesale prices effective from april. it means a typical energy bill will fall by £238 . to £1,690, and thousands £238. to £1,690, and thousands of people in plymouth are evacuating their homes following the discovery of an unexploded second world war bomb . it was

second world war bomb. it was found in a garden on tuesday in the same area and will be transported by a military convoy through the city for disposal at sea. residents living within 300m of the convoy route have been told to leave their homes for three hours from 2 pm. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or you can go to gb news. common alerts

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> it's 12. radio. >> it's12. it's radio. >> it's 12. it's 1238. >> it's 12. it's 1238. >> and on the eve of the second anniversary of the war in ukraine, there are, of course, growing concerns about kyivs ability to continue fighting effectively. well the country is desperately short of artillery shells and ammunition and has made little territorial gains

over the past year. there's also division amongst politicians in the united states on continued support for the nation . support for the nation. >> well, the uk, though, has remained steadfast in its support, providing more than £7 billion in military aid and around £5 billion in other aid, as well . as well. >> yes, now a £200 million program to provide thousands of extra military drones has now been agreed , and britain has been agreed, and britain has also trained 60,000 ukrainian troops, provided 6 million rounds of small arms ammunition and 8000 rounds of tank artillery . artillery. >> well, our security editor, mark white, has this special report are the da are . report are the da are. across large parts of eastern and southern ukraine. >> the war with russia continues to rage . and as this conflict to rage. and as this conflict enters its third year, the scale

of the destruction and the number of casualties inflicted on both sides has been immense . on both sides has been immense. it the ukrainian army was widely praised for its early successes. drive the numerically superior and better equipped russian military back from significant chunks of the territory it seized in the early days of the invasion , but military analysts invasion, but military analysts agree the war of late appears to have reached stalemate . have reached stalemate. >> when i think about it now, i can't help but think about world war one 1916, 1917. in a defensive operations capturing very little ground, a lot of casualties , and doesn't seem to casualties, and doesn't seem to be making any advances one way or the other. so i think we're in a stalemate situation, and i rather suspect this is going to be the case for some time. >> there's no doubt ukraine has defied >> there's no doubt ukraine has defied the odds in ensuring russia , for now at least, is russia, for now at least, is unable to do much more than

defend the current territory it holds an assessment of ukraine's achievements so far by the uk's ministry of defence estimates. the country's armed forces have recaptured over 50% of the territory russia seized in 2022, 350,000 russian troops are believed to have been killed or injured . 2600 russian tanks have injured. 2600 russian tanks have been destroyed over the past two years, and almost 5000 russian armoured vehicles have also been destroyed on the ukrainian side, at least 30,000 civilians have been killed , probably many more. been killed, probably many more. the number of military deaths is a closely guarded secret , but a closely guarded secret, but some estimates put it as high as 70,000. in this war of attrition, ukraine is running desperately short of artillery shells and ammunition , and with

shells and ammunition, and with last year's counteroffensive failing to achieve the significant gains, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy had hoped for, he's now removed his top general. had hoped for, he's now removed his top general . add to that his top general. add to that serious concerns surrounding continued support from the united states, with the republicans repeatedly blocking a new military aid package for ukraine on the spectre of a new donald trump presidency just compounds the concern in kyiv that ukraine's biggest supplier of military aid may no longer be as committed to its defence. one russian opposition politician believes that ultimately the war is unlikely to be won on the battlefield, and instead needs new leadership in the kremlin. >> i think that this war, at the end of the day , will not end in end of the day, will not end in ukraine. it will end in moscow. the origin of the problem is in moscow . the source of the moscow. the source of the problem is in moscow , and it

problem is in moscow, and it should be treated in moscow and that's what i am currently doing . i am campaigning for all the different western nations to come to this realisation and help our regiments in the frontlines and our troops inside russia , uh, to grow and, and uh, russia, uh, to grow and, and uh, to be able to change this regime from within for now at least, there seems little prospect of vladimir putin's removal, enforced or otherwise . enforced or otherwise. >> and he's on course to once again win the country's presidential elections next month . moscow has also now month. moscow has also now shifted to a war time economy and invested huge sums in its military, which the west is struggling to match after another year of massive battlefield losses on both sides, neither country has the advantage . but ukraine and advantage. but ukraine and russia agree on one thing

there's no prospect of a ceasefire and negotiations. any time soon, so this bloody conflict is set to rage on. testing not just ukraine's ability to keep fighting, but its allies resolve in staying the course and continuing to supply the military aid this country so desperately needs. mark whyte, gb news. >> well, there you go. a very good sum up there from mark whyte . whyte. >> and it is. i'm on tenterhooks really, about the russian presidential election. who on earth could possibly win? is it going vladimir putin or going to be vladimir putin or any people that any of the multiple people that he's or put in prison? i he's killed or put in prison? i mean, who knows? well, there you go. >> and donald trump said he could the problem in 24 could solve the problem in 24 hours. but zelenskyy says, absolutely couldn't. but he absolutely you couldn't. but he wants meet him. well, wants him to meet him. well, maybe him to meet maybe maybe he wants him to meet him. trump, to ukraine. >> yeah. donald walking >> yeah. donald trump walking through the streets of kyiv, i think would be a sight to see. i'd to see that.

i'd like to see that. >> there you go. but, uh, >> well, there you go. but, uh, coming we're going to be coming up, we're going to be talking little more about talking a little bit more about the bride, shamima begum. talking a little bit more about the viewside, shamima begum. talking a little bit more about the views are shamima begum. talking a little bit more about the views are floodinga begum. talking a little bit more about the views are flooding in egum. talking a little bit more about the views are flooding in onjm. your views are flooding in on this one. she apparently remains defiant course, defiant despite, of course, losing. appeal. losing. yet another appeal. do you think actually end you think she will actually end up ever coming back to britain? she's going take as far she's going to take this as far as it can go. >> phil has an idea. >> phil has an idea. >> on, he says. >> go on, he says. >> shamima ever arrives >> if shamima begum ever arrives at on a dinghy, what at dover on a dinghy, what happens then ? well, what does happens then? well, what does happens then? well, what does happen then? happens then? well, what does hapwellthen? happens then? well, what does hapwell ,ien? happens then? well, what does hapwell , it's very difficult. >> well, it's very difficult. this thing . if she comes this is the thing. if she comes back to britain, will she would she adequate justice in she receive adequate justice in the eyes of the british public? i'm not so sure. lots of appeals, then, weren't there? lots of appeals, lots appeals lots of appeals, lots of appeals to after this

wires and the pipes to bring it to our houses. >> you're listening to tv. news. >> you're listening to tv. news. >> good afternoon , britain. it's >> good afternoon, britain. it's 1248. and before the break we were discussing how the uk has provided more than £7 billion in

military aid to ukraine over the past two years. yes a further £200 million, a program costing thatis £200 million, a program costing that is now on the cards and the question is whether we can keep up this type of spending . well, up this type of spending. well, joining us now is a lecturer from the university of london's department of practice and policy . uh, oksana pesek . uh, policy. uh, oksana pesek. uh, oksana, thank you so much for joining us here on. good afternoon britain. the numbers are pretty large. 7 billion in military aid, another 5 billion in may in aid. that's not military. £12 billion overall, uh, is it worth it for the british taxpayer ? british taxpayer? >> i mean, i think this is the smartest investment that we can make in terms of providing security . we're in a very security. we're in a very vulnerable point in history. this is the first major conventional war in europe since world war two. the first annexation since world war two. the greatest threat since maybe 1950. cold war , uh, nuclear 1950. cold war, uh, nuclear weapons potential . um, so

weapons potential. um, so there's a pretty big consequence of not investing and investing and security is not free. >> oksana, if we had not provided this level of military aid and other western nations hadnt aid and other western nations hadn't done so, like the united states, of course, what would the picture look like right now ? the picture look like right now? >> well , i the picture look like right now? >> well, i think another aspect of this is actually fiscal response ability. >> uh, the us has , uh, spent 113 >> uh, the us has, uh, spent 113 billion and has pledged now debating another 60 billion um, in combined aid for ukraine. um, and if we compare that to uk figures, um , you know, that's figures, um, you know, that's significantly less uh, from the uk side . uk side. >> but even then, if we look at those stats from the us, that's still only 0.65% of their federal , uh, still only 0.65% of their federal, uh, budget. >> so really a tiny proportion , >> so really a tiny proportion, um, and if it had been less than that, we would be looking at potentially russia getting bold

enough to enter into other nato territory , and that in the long territory, and that in the long run is going to cost the taxpayer a lot more. if we invest in terms of ensuring that aid is and support is getting into ukraine now, then we're not going to have to pay a bigger bill down the line. uh, with the potential threat of nato being dragged into it. >> that's such an interesting point. 0.65% of the us military budget. how does that compare to afghanistan or iraq, example ? >> 7- >> so 7_ >> so again, 7 >> so again, this ? >> so again, this is 7 >> so again, this is much less than some of the other 20 year plus wars where the us has been involved in. >> so i think there is a really good argument for not just, uh , good argument for not just, uh, self—interest, but also on a moral perspective. what we're fighting for here is democracy versus autocracy . and i don't versus autocracy. and i don't think that there is really, um, a better investment rather than freedom. >> and, oksana, just lastly , um, >> and, oksana, just lastly, um, what would you say to those who suggest that by, um, by funding

ukraine, we are in some way prolonging this war? >> i would say the exact opposite is true. um, this war of attrition, um, we could get it to come to an end much more quickly on the ukrainian side . quickly on the ukrainian side. and if they had all the resources that they needed, um , resources that they needed, um, so by, uh, this trickling down of resources over the past two years, years, uh, it means that it has been much more slow. uh, if we had fully equipped them from day one without the fear of placating of vladimir putin, then we could be in a very different position today. i think appeasement has been historically , uh, a strategy historically, uh, a strategy thatis historically, uh, a strategy that is not turned out very well for everyone. well on that note, thank you very much indeed, oksana pesek, who is a lecturer from the university of london's department of practice and policy. >> great to speak to you. >> great to speak to you. >> it's so interesting that of course, we did do the appeasement thing when appeasement thing in 2014 when putin took crimea and we said, okay, we'll just let have

okay, we'll just let him have crimea and that will satiate his desire and that's fine. he'll go no further and we all just sort of got on with our lives and then of course, he came back for more. of course he did. yeah. >> lots of you getting in touch saying there's no you can't put a price on peace security. a price on peace and security. um, we also talking about um, we were also talking about suella braverman and her comments the telegraph about comments in the telegraph about how islamists are running the country. course, the day country. of course, the day after happened after what happened in parliament speaker parliament and the speaker saying made decision saying that he made a decision to against because to go against convention because his threatened by his mps were being threatened by such people. well, guy says, with shamima begum and in all refugee appeal cases , the real refugee appeal cases, the real culprits, the real criminals thing, the suella caroline says people who oppose her views will say she's wrong. two outspoken and inflammatory and that it's the government who are running the government who are running the country. but they would say that, wouldn't they? >> helen says maybe she's >> yeah, helen says maybe she's frustrated and angry at the erosion of the british way of life. thinks. life. that's what helen thinks. >> and mike suella >> and mike says suella braverman just using braverman is just using language, say, language, which we all say, and we like her

we understand her and like her for she's not overblowing for that. she's not overblowing the situation. >> whereas noel says the uk is diverse, welcoming and less racist it many years racist than it was many years ago. however, are ago. however, there are thousands country who are thousands in our country who are using own tolerance to using our own tolerance is to promote own into promote their own into references. i think that's spot on. >> i think that is spot on. sometimes we're too tolerant of the intolerant. i would say , but the intolerant. i would say, but keep your views coming in lots are yes. >> and i and i will make sure to read out the right bit of paper. >> i wasn't sure whether to allow you to continue. >> you're completely right. i was sort of as i started reading it. should we just do one final one from sally? she said, um, sally is a big fan of suella braverman. she says she says it how more people ought to how it is. more people ought to have to speak out. i have the courage to speak out. i think is rather the brand think that is rather the brand that is that suella braverman is cultivating. sort of no cultivating. this sort of no nonsense, courageous, sort of conservative ism. yes. >> and lots of mps are speaking out the same thing. robert jenrick big speech yesterday in the of commons, he wasn't the house of commons, he wasn't holding punches, he? holding any punches, was he? >> no. and percy, >> no. and andrew percy, yesterday house of

yesterday in the house of commons, really pertinent commons, a really pertinent moment luck have moment and as luck would have it, speaking to andrew it, we'll be speaking to andrew percy after the break. of percy mp after the break. of course, he moved the house of commons a stunned silence in commons to a stunned silence in his, uh, in his contribution dunng his, uh, in his contribution during that debate yesterday. it was really, really fascinating. >> yes, i'm showing, uh, i'm very interested to hear what he makes of fact that there was makes of the fact that there was that on big ben and that projection on big ben and whether he thinks the police should actually said that, should have actually said that, actually, we actually, that is an offence. we all was an offence. all thought it was an offence. why was not an offence in why was it not an offence in this but anyway, with this case? but anyway, stay with us. we'll straight back after us. we'll be straight back after the this is good the break. this is good afternoon, britain gb news. afternoon, britain on gb news. we britain's election . we are britain's election. channel. a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather boxt solar, sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather update with me. annie from the met office. there'll be further showers through the rest of the day. some sunny spells too, but

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gb news. >> good afternoon britain. it's 1:00 on friday the 23rd of february. >> isis bride remains defiant. shamima begum loses her appeal again but says she will not stop fighting until she's back in britain , despite her appeals britain, despite her appeals costing the british taxpayer millions . we're hosting a fiery millions. we're hosting a fiery debate on this very soon and our

islamists running britain , islamists running britain, suella braverman says. >> islamists extremist and anti—semites are now in charge of the uk. however, home secretary james cleverly rejects his predecessor's claim, saying britain is a high functioning democracy who's right? >> and £12 billion. that's how much taxpayers have sent to ukraine in aid since russia's invasion. two years ago. it's enough to build around 30 new hospitals in britain . but with hospitals in britain. but with putin more belligerent than even putin more belligerent than ever, can the west afford not to fund. ukraine? >> well, we're going to be speaking to andrew percy, who made a barnstormer bombing intervention in the house of commons yesterday. he said he said it was outrageous for a genocidal chant, in his words, to be projected onto big ben. the police have decided not to take any action. there they say it's not a criminal offence . it's not a criminal offence.

lots of people thought it was a criminal offence and it's really cunous criminal offence and it's really curious because it takes some planning, some preparation and it's fairly, fairly obvious if you set up a projector on on parliament square, just opposite one of the most, what should be one of the most, what should be one of the most, what should be one of the most secure buildings in the country, i find it quite hard to understand how the police didn't see where that projection was coming from. >> kind find it quite hard >> i kind of find it quite hard to could police not to think could the police not have put something in front of the projector to stop it from, from projecting ? is that from from projecting? is that beyond the wit of man? >> yeah, it is bizarre, i should say. it was the campaign against anti—semitism said the anti—semitism ism that said the projection genocidal projection was of genocidal language. andrew has language. but andrew percy has spoken against spoken out very strongly against this type of thing, and it'll be very to hear what he very interesting to hear what he has say. about suella has to say. also, about suella braverman intervention the braverman intervention in the telegraph. get to all telegraph. so we'll get to all of with him. but first, of that with him. but first, your headlines with tatiana . your headlines with tatiana. >> emily. thank you. your top stories from the gb news room.

isis bride shamima begum has lost an appeal over the removal of her british citizenship . the of her british citizenship. the now 24 year old was a teenager when she left the uk to travel to syria and joined the so—called islamic state. her citizenship was later revoked on national security grounds. begum solicitor has vowed to continue fighting until she gets justice and is safely back home. human rights lawyer david hague says other avenues can still be pursued. >> see what happened with the court of appeal. they've upheld the decisions of the special immigration appeal, um court earlier, um and this is, you know, a long, long journey that, um, that miss begum's been on. um, and it certainly, though not the end of the court battles, um , and it certainly was a resounding rejection, but now we look towards the supreme court , look towards the supreme court, and i'm sure her legal teams will be doing that. so it's not the end. and britain has signed a new deal with the eu's border agency in a further bid to stop

small boat crossings . small boat crossings. >> the agreement with frontex will see uk border force cooperate more closely with its european counterparts on intelligence and training. 1716 people have been intercepted illegally crossing the channel, so far this year. james cleverly says the deal will help tackle the problem. >> it means we can share information quicker, share intelligence quicker, we can operate more effectively and the reason that's important is because the eu wants to secure its external borders, just as we do so. people who are coming into europe from eastern europe, across the mediterranean , the across the mediterranean, the european union wants to stop them . we want to help them stop them. we want to help them stop them, because those people filter through europe and ultimately find themselves on small boats coming across to the uk. >> the prime minister says it's unacceptable for intimidation to threaten democracy. his comments come as the commons speaker faces growing pressure to resign over the gaza ceasefire debate . over the gaza ceasefire debate.

sir lindsay hoyle says the decision to allow an amendment was motivated by concern about mps safety . rishi sunak says he mps safety. rishi sunak says he expects police to use new powers to clamp down on protests around parliament constituency offices and council chambers . and council chambers. >> i think mps safety is incredibly important and it's right that in our society democracy needs to be able to function smoothly . people need function smoothly. people need to be able to raise their views and debate things without the fear of being intimidated or indeed attacked. and that's why we are giving the police more powers to clamp down on protests. it's simply unacceptable . unacceptable. >> households will see their energy bills fall to the lowest level in two years. energy regulator ofgem has announced it's dropping the price cap by 12.3% in response to wholesale pnces 12.3% in response to wholesale prices effective from april . it prices effective from april. it means a typical energy bill will fall by £238 . to £1,690, serial fall by £238. to £1,690, serial child killer lucy letby bid to

appeal her convictions will be heard by a court in april. the former nurse was sentenced to 14 whole life orders after she murdered seven babies and attempted to kill six others at attempted to kill six others at a hospital between june 2015 and 2016. if judges rule against her, it'll be the end of letby appeal process . now the biggest appeal process. now the biggest ever drug bust has been made by uk authorities. in a major to blow drug cartels. 5.7 tonnes of cocaine with a street value of more than £450 million, was found in a container at southampton port , which was southampton port, which was transporting bananas into europe from south america . national from south america. national crime agency officers believe the haul was heading to hamburg, but they say a significant proportion of the drug would have ended back in the uk . have ended back in the uk. thousands of people in plymouth are evacuating their homes following the discovery of an unexploded second world war bomb

. devon and cornwall police found the object in a garden on tuesday morning in the same area that was set to be transported by a military convoy through the city for disposal at sea . any city for disposal at sea. any residents living within 300m of the convoy route have been told to evacuate their home by 2:00 this afternoon. for three hours, over 3200 people have been affected and coronation street actor john savident, best known for playing butcher fred elliott, has died at the age of 86, confirming his death, his agent said he'll be sorely missed by all who knew him. he arrived on the cobbles in 1994 and became a fan favourite . his and became a fan favourite. his storylines involved his disastrous love life, including three marriages and several failed proposals . for the latest failed proposals. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts now back to tom . and.

to tom. and. >> now there's a powerful moment in the house of commons earlier this week when during that after mouth of the debate or the non—debate, perhaps we should say on wednesday night, thursday was a big day. there was controversy over the speaker. there was controversy over the safety of mps , and one of the safety of mps, and one of the most powerful interventions in the house of commons came from andrew percy, the member of parliament for brigg and goole. this is what he had to say. >> i was in israel last week meeting with friends and survivors and hostage families , survivors and hostage families, and i actually felt safer in israel than i do in this country at this moment in time. >> and i have two reflections on that visit and on what happened yesterday. >> first of all, nobody in this house has any business agency at all in telling the state of israel , where it all in telling the state of israel, where it is able to operate, to seek to rescue

hostages who are being raped by islamic terrorists who hold them, nobody has any business. secondly if we have a rerun of the debate we had yesterday, we will have exactly the same thing happen again, which is that members will not vote with their heart because they are frightened and they are scared . frightened and they are scared. >> and what do we expect for months i've been standing up here talking about the people on our streets, demanding death to jews, demanding jihad, demanding intifadas as the police stand by and allow that to happen. >> last night, a genocide call for from the river to the sea, palestine will be free was projected onto this building that that message says no jew is welcome in the state of israel or in that land . or in that land. >> well, we're now joined by the conservative mp for brigg and goole, andrew percy. andrew, thank you very much for joining us on the show. for a lot of people, it will have been shocking to hear that you have felt safer in israel, a country

thatis felt safer in israel, a country that is under threat from hamas and other terrorist groups. then you do in britain today. i've heard it from otherjewish people . i will say i have heard people. i will say i have heard similar. can you explain why thatis? >> well, look , you know, we've >> well, look, you know, we've had jews attacked in our streets. we've had jewish businesses and jewish community venues targeted . we've had jews venues targeted. we've had jews targeted online. we've had people attacked in leicester square for speaking, for daring to speak hebrew, and then , most to speak hebrew, and then, most shockingly of all, of course, we're subjected to these marches , um, you know, every couple of weeks through central london and other cities , um, where open jew other cities, um, where open jew hate is on display, anti—semitism zhuhai is openly on display. so you know, people, you know, it's not just it's not it's not just jewish people. a lot of, you know, decent, ordinary people in this country feel intimidated by these mobs . feel intimidated by these mobs. >> it's such an important point to make. what did you think of what the speaker had to say about his justification for all of the shenanigans that went on

in parliament and the and the quite frankly, ridiculous display that we saw on wednesday evening. he said that he had to choose that labour amendment in order that mps could could feel safe, that he had to change the rules of parliament. it, uh, almost to, to, to avoid , uh, almost to, to, to avoid, uh, targeting by, by extremists to avoid terrorism . avoid terrorism. >> he went as far as to say i mean, well that's effectively it. >> it is it.- >> it is to it.— >> it is to avoid, uh, terrorism. right. and, you know, um, whatever we think about, i mean, i like the speaker. i think he has our interests at heart, genuinely. i mean, the problem with decision he problem with the decision he made might have made was it might have protected, um, mps on one side of the chamber or in one party, but it threw rest of us but it threw the rest of us under the bus. sadly um, but it's a completely outrageous situation. the situation. but it's not the first had this, which first time we've had this, which is members of is that, you know, members of parliament intimidated, parliament are intimidated, threatened. and had threatened. and i had a conversation with one yesterday who won't name, who me who i won't name, who told me that, know, they would have that, you know, they would have stayed the vote. stayed away from the vote. others this, and they others have said this, and they explained the intimidation

explained to me the intimidation and the abuse been and the abuse they've been coming means that coming under, which means that they they can they don't feel they can exercise their vote or their voice this because voice on this issue because they're just they're frightened and not just frightened electoral frightened of an electoral backlash. okay? politicians always, not always, but often cave of an electoral cave to the fear of an electoral backlash. but violent backlash. but a violent backlash, you know, backlash, one that, you know, a backlash, one that, you know, a backlash on them, which will involve violence to them or their i it's theirfamilies. i mean, it's completely unacceptable. >> what do we do >> andrew. so what do we do about this? because we have freedom of speech. we have freedom of speech. we have freedom of speech. we have freedom of protest. have freedom of protest. we have freedom of protest. we have freedom expression in this freedom of expression in this country . yet what we're seeing country. yet what we're seeing is jewish people unable or they don't feel safe to go into our capital and other areas of the country on certain days of the week when these protests are taking place, how do we balance the different factions in our society , different causes? society, different causes? >> well, we have freedom of speech, but we don't have freedom of hate or freedom of hate speech. and the fact is, from day one, a hopefully it's a minority at these marches have chanted genocidal chants . let's chanted genocidal chants. let's just remember the chant that was

projected the side projected onto the, uh, the side of the house of commons is a chant was endorsed and used chant that was endorsed and used by osama bin laden and such folks as saddam hussein. and of course, leaders hamas. course, the leaders of hamas. and don't allow we and so we don't allow we shouldn't allowing that shouldn't be allowing that that has day one. has been chanted from day one. never the calls for an never mind the calls for an intifada. let's remember what happened intifada in happened in the last intifada in israel. people walked into a pub and blew themselves up. buses were blown up, children were murdered. but yet the police have stood by while people marched streets calling marched to our streets calling for socialist intifada. for a socialist intifada. i mean, what utter nonsense . and mean, what utter nonsense. and of people have been of course, people have been in open display of houthis, open display of the houthis, plus sorts other kinds of plus all sorts of other kinds of anti—semitic imagery and the police stood largely and police have stood by largely and they've people to chant police have stood by largely and the genocide people to chant police have stood by largely and the genocide . people to chant police have stood by largely and the genocide . if people to chant police have stood by largely and the genocide . if this)le to chant police have stood by largely and the genocide . if this haso chant police have stood by largely and the genocide . if this has beennt for genocide. if this has been nipped in the bud from the beginning, may not in this beginning, we may not be in this position, it's emboldened position, but it's emboldened these do you agree with >> so, andrew, do you agree with the of braverman, the words of suella braverman, who very critical of the who was very critical of the police? it's one of the reasons she was, uh, got rid of as home secretary . she critical of secretary. she was critical of the independence of the operational independence of the operational independence of the issue and the police over this issue and described of these marches described all of these marches as had more as hate marches. she's had more words . is she right with

words today. is she right with her forthright view on this? well i actually referred to them as that as marches of hate. >> um, before, um, the former home did actually, one home secretary did actually, one of early interventions, of my early interventions, because raising this because i've been raising this from beginning, but from the very beginning, but that's they are that's exactly what they are for a of people attend a minority of people who attend those marches. it's very clear. look, we've open look, you know, we've had open chanting support chanting for jihad, open support for islamist terrorist organisations. so they they are , organisations. so they they are, are, you know, hopefully it's a minority, but they are happening and it hasn't been attacked . and and it hasn't been attacked. and that a really dangerous point that is a really dangerous point for our democracy. and it's okay. you know, everybody is saying it's wrong. everyone's saying it's wrong. everyone's saying mustn't be subjected saying mps mustn't be subjected to this. i haven't heard a single change or explanation for how we're going to prevent it happening because it will happening again, because it will happening again, because it will happen as these happen on other issues as these people emboldened . people are emboldened. >> andrew, i think you're >> now, andrew, i think you're absolutely right to point out that there extremist voices that there are extremist voices on marches. but a lot of on these marches. but a lot of people would say that that there are many people going on these marches who are simply concerned about the loss of life in gaza

and the deaths of children, and the absolute carnage that we're seeing. how can you ban those types of people who are just concerned about the loss of life ? >> well, 7- >> well, it ? >> well, it would be nice if they turned up then to express their opposition to the continued governance by hamas. then who are the people who are subjecting gazans to what is happening at the moment? but also, if i started and i found myself on a march on a cause i believed in, and i looked around at myself and i happened to find myself with a bunch of neo nazis or neo fascists , i might or neo fascists, i might consider not this is consider whether or not this is the place for me to express those held concerns on those genuinely held concerns on whatever particular issue it is. so you know, buy your friends, be judged, right? if you are prepared to turn up to march week week after week, week after week after week, where are genocide idol where there are genocide idol chants, anti—semitic signs , then chants, anti—semitic signs, then this is not the place you should be expressing what is doubtless for many people, a genuine concern about the humanitarian situation and the conflict. but maybe you should, you know,

find, find a different venue or a different way of expressing that concern, not stand alongside people who have called for the open murder of jews . for the open murder of jews. >> so presumably there needs to be tougher policing on these marches then , or perhaps marches then, or perhaps a greater sense of awareness. i remember it was only last saturday that jeremy corbyn was pictured , uh, at the front of pictured, uh, at the front of one of these marches, and it was just over his left shoulder where you could see the most outrageous trope of a of a jewish baby sucking on a bottle full of blood being held by the united states. statue of liberty, the oldest form of hatred, of blood libel there, just over the shoulder of jeremy corbyn, clearly in a picture and no one seemed to notice , or no one seemed to notice, or perhaps even mind on that march. well, i think with that particular individual , um, it's particular individual, um, it's not the first time he's found himself in close proximity to such signs. >> i believe in some facebook groups, but then let's leave him out of it. the fact is that there have also been labour mps

who've attended these marches and have spoken these marches and have spoken at these marches . and that is . um, you know, and that is something should consider something they should consider very because it is very carefully because it is giving an endorsement to marches that lots of people in the jewish community and beyond actually feel very intimidated and very frightened by my understanding of race and religious hatred laws is that the police should approach it from the view of the victim and we have victims here saying, i feel frightened. i feel scared to be in central london as a jew because , you know, jews have because, you know, jews have been attacked by some of the protesters verbally attacked, at the very least on the way to these marches. um, and i thought these marches. um, and i thought the police were meant to commit from the point of view of the victim here. and that doesn't appear be the case. it's appear to be the case. it's almost some occasions, if the almost on some occasions, if the met have been the pr arm met police have been the pr arm of some of these protests. met police have been the pr arm of syes. of these protests. met police have been the pr arm of syes. and hese protests. met police have been the pr arm of syes. and how protests. met police have been the pr arm of syes. and how many.ts. met police have been the pr arm of syes. and how many jewish >> yes. and how many jewish people their star of people are hiding their star of david taking off their kippah david or taking off their kippah every, every time they in every, every time they go in central very central london? thank you very much for your time. much indeed for your time. andrew percy, conservative mp

for brigg and goole. >> really powerful >> yeah, really, really powerful that i mean, it's not the first time that i've heard someone that i mean, it's not the first time tisay 've heard someone that i mean, it's not the first time tisay 've hiard someone that i mean, it's not the first time tisay 've hi feelomeone that i mean, it's not the first time tisay 've hi feel saferne that i mean, it's not the first time tisay 've hi feel safer in jewish say that i feel safer in israel that is under israel, a country that is under constant threat than they do in this country. but to hear it on the benches so powerfully, the green benches so powerfully, uh, in parliament was uh, yesterday in parliament was was a real moment. >> well, should get should we >> well, should we get should we speak to christopher our speak to christopher hope, our political who's been political editor, who's been listening interview? listening in to that interview? just andrew percy? just there with andrew percy? chris your reaction . chris offer, um, your reaction. >> yeah. andrew percy speaks from the heart to hear him say he feels safer in israel than the uk is shocking. i mean, but that's how far, um, people from the jewish faith feel at the moment. and that's why i think number 10 has made very clear that when that projection was made on wednesday night of from the river the sea, which is the river to the sea, which is about sweeping away the state of israel onto big or the israel onto big ben or the elizabeth tower, to say with big ben inside it, elizabeth tower, to say with big ben inside it , they've made ben inside it, they've made clear that's not something they wanted to see. but of course, they're going to the they're not going to say the police it's the police got it wrong. it's the police got it wrong. it's the police operational decision. but police got it wrong. it's the potermsyerational decision. but police got it wrong. it's the poterms ofational decision. but

police got it wrong. it's the poterms of the|al decision. but police got it wrong. it's the poterms of the pm'scision. but police got it wrong. it's the poterms of the pm's vlewi. but police got it wrong. it's the poterms of the pm's view on ut in terms of the pm's view on that, though, most people would think wrong. is think that was wrong. this is logical. telegraph logical. and to say telegraph um, by suella suella braverman, the former home secretary, is certainly weather certainly setting the weather here westminster. we're here in in westminster. we're seeing sadiq khan, who's the, um, mayor of london. he's just a message on social media saying that suella braverman seems to be doing her best to outflank enoch powell is posing as attempt, he says, to drive a wedge between our communities and serve her own naked ambition. now more than ever, we should be seeking to unite, not divide, just to remind viewers and listeners what suella braverman said, she talked about islamist crank cranks and left wing extremists who hijacking uk institutions , bullying our institutions, bullying our country into suspicion with a quote this is a crisis , she quote this is a crisis, she says. fight back must start now with urgency . she she said that with urgency. she she said that sir keir starmer , who of course, sir keir starmer, who of course, is sadiq khan's party leader, bowed to the mob . um, when, of bowed to the mob. um, when, of course, he persuaded the speaker of the house of commons to accept a second motion to allow mps to vote for their policy.

the party's policy on on the party's policy on gaza on wednesday , forcing a walkout by wednesday, forcing a walkout by the snp and tories. he she said there it's one of the most shameful days of our democracy. she by effectively taking the pm. she also said that sir keir starmer had effectively taken the speaker hostage and had brought parliament into disrepute . so the language is disrepute. so the language is getting more and more , uh, getting more and more, uh, difficult, more and more. maybe inflammatory at the moment. you've the, you know, when you've got the, you know, when you're chucking enoch powell's name between political name around between political leaders, not very good. >> no , good. > no , no , good. >> no , no, not very good at all. >> no, no, not very good at all. thank you very much indeed. christopher hope, our political edhon christopher hope, our political editor. outside number 10. editor. there outside number 10. um say what um what i will say about what andrew had to say, i just um what i will say about what andrethe had to say, i just um what i will say about what andrethe majority to say, i just um what i will say about what andrethe majority of say, i just um what i will say about what andrethe majority of the i just think the majority of the british public who don't feel they have skin in the game in this are fed up they have skin in the game in thiseeing are fed up they have skin in the game in thiseeing it are fed up they have skin in the game in thiseeing it play fed up they have skin in the game in thiseeing it play out fed up they have skin in the game in thiseeing it play out oni up they have skin in the game in thiseeing it play out on our of seeing it play out on our streets. the disruption and the absolute shenanigans in parliament. yeah but but and clearly there are some people who are in breach of the law as it is currently written on those marches, who i think some people

feel are not facing the full force of the law that they could. >> but, but, but it's not like the it would be right to or or proper to arrest everyone on that march. and of course people should have the right to march , should have the right to march, but i suppose it's the most extreme elements that really let the whole thing down. yeah. >> so have we got time for some views on ukraine? i believe we do. i believe we do now. we were talking about and of talking about ukraine and of course of money course the amount of money that we've funding ukraine with we've been funding ukraine with and efforts , and its military efforts, whether it, whether whether it's worth it, whether we give more, whether we should give more, whether we've much but we've given too much even, but caroline says support funding caroline says i support funding for and any right minded for ukraine and any right minded person stopped person would if we all stopped funding would funding ukraine, putin would take whole of ukraine. take over the whole of ukraine. he then force his might on he will then force his might on all the other ex—soviet countries because he's not scared nato . scared of nato. >> interesting as >> hmm. it's interesting as well. this idea that if well. i think this idea that if russia takes ukraine, the fighting stops. i mean, we interview ukrainian people all the time. they are so tenacious. if, if, if, the time. they are so tenacious. if, if, if , if russia were to if, if, if, if russia were to take over kyiv, it's not like

they would suddenly stop fighting. there'd be some sort of guerrilla resistance campaign .then of guerrilla resistance campaign . then it would go on and on and on, even though not officially, but disagrees. says but allen disagrees. allen says we're now too poor and weak to be involved in war games, except perhaps in a very junior role . perhaps in a very junior role. we are unable to run ourselves effectively. even our own nuclear weapons are unreliable and we can't afford a functioning military. >> well, yes, we did see one flop into the sea, didn't we? um, yeah . i flop into the sea, didn't we? um, yeah. i mean, in my view, i think we i think we'd end up regretting it very much if we did not back ukraine in this war. but paddy says simple choice. we either spend money now or shed blood later. putin won't if he takes ukraine. won't stop if he takes ukraine. yes. can you put a price on security and peace? >> well, coming up, a fiery debate on shamima begum. should she be back in the uk? where should she face justice? and frankly, should we be paying for it

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news . radio. news. radio. >> it's 125. you're watching news. radio. >> it's125. you're watching and listening to good afternoon britain with me, emily and tom. now shamima begum , the isis now shamima begum, the isis bride, has lost yet another appeal. but should she come back to britain and take justice here? so we shall see. joining us now is political commentator reem ibrahim, who thinks that her citizenship should not have been revoked in the first place, and gb news presenter martin daubney, who thinks she's surrendered her right be surrendered her right to be british moment she joined an british the moment she joined an islamic death squad. so there you different views. um, you go. two different views. um, now this going to be a bit of now this is going to be a bit of a punchy debate, i imagine. i know very strong know that martin has very strong views on this. indeed there they are. okay martin, let's start with you . martin. martin. with you. martin. martin. martin, should shamima begum be allowed to come back to britain, have her citizenship restored and then be able to, uh, well, the justice system can do what it . will

it. will >> shamima begum um, put her passport and her credibility and her right to return to britain in a shredder the moment she joined isis, whose entire ethos, the entire reason it existed , the entire reason it existed, was to eviscerate the western world from the face of the earth. 6 world from the face of the earth. g hard not the modern interpretation of jihad. oh, you know, let's be nice to islamic people as it is on the streets of britain now. but the actual jihad to eviscerate and remove the west from the face of the earth, they say she was groomed when she was 15. she turned 16 shortly after. well, the labour party wants 16 year olds to vote and so begum didn't know what she was doing when she was in isis. but but she'd know enough to be able to vote. there's all sorts of things came out. did she beheadings ? was she a she see beheadings? was she a part of the torture ? the part of the torture? the killing? certainly m15 will know a lot more than we know or a lot more than the media knows. and on that basis , they have made on that basis, they have made a decision that she poses a security threat . plus, there's

security threat. plus, there's the cost . it will be at least the cost. it will be at least a quarter of £1 million per year every year to taxpayers to keep her in a high security prison. and then if she ever gets out, benefits free housing, secure, taken care of by the taxpayer for life and the current backdrop of tension on british streets. thanks to islamist extremism, should be a poster girl for that. there'd be no deterrent. shamima begum, many people believe, deserves to rot in hell, let alone syria . in hell, let alone syria. >> well, reem, what do you make of that? >> so, martin, i think it's particularly interesting. i don't think that, uh, she is completely should be completely exonerated . exonerated. >> i don't feel sorry for her. i think she is a criminal. she is a disgusting criminal. >> but she is a british criminal. she was born in the uk i >> -- >> she went to a british school , >> she went to a british school, and she left the united kingdom with just a british passport. >> you cannot morally make somebody stateless, purely based on the fact that their parents have a different heritage. now, the reason why i'm trying to

make this point here is effectively this sets a precedent so that any time, if you or i both committed the exact same crime , i could have exact same crime, i could have my citizenship revoked just because my father happens to have been born in egypt. >> even though i don't speak the language i have only been to eqypt language i have only been to egypt a number of times, and yet i could be seen as a second class citizen effectively as a result of me having a different heritage. so this effectively then sets a very dangerous precedent. in my opinion . again, precedent. in my opinion. again, i don't have any sympathy for shamima begum, but i do think that she is british and that she deserves to be rotting in a british cell . british cell. >> martin, that's a strong point from reem. it would create a sort of two tier citizenship . sort of two tier citizenship. >> well, you talk about precedent. what about the precedent. what about the precedent of allowing an isis terrorist to return to britain, to be taken care of by the taxpayer forever , at a time when taxpayer forever, at a time when we see a massive boom in islamic extremism ? um, a huge boom in

extremism? um, a huge boom in anti—semitism . um, shamima begum anti—semitism. um, shamima begum , there'll be no deterrent for anybody committing any act if she was allowed to return to britain. she's also of bangladeshi descent and they don't want her back. why do you think that is? because they've weighed up the security risk and they also don't want her. she made her bed and now she has to lie in it and as for all this kind of crocodile tears of, well, you know, i made bad choices. yes, you did . and bad choices. yes, you did. and bad choices. yes, you did. and bad choices have consequences. and the consequences are she should never be allowed back into this country. reem must go on. >> i'm not saying that i feel sorry for her. >> and i'm absolutely not saying that she made bad choices and that she made bad choices and that we should forgive her. that's not what i'm saying at all. what i am saying is that, legally speaking, we are creating which creating a precedent in which somebody that has a different heritage to somebody else could then have their citizenship revoked, which i think is entirely unfair. now ultimately, you're talking about the issues that we have in the united

kingdom at the moment, the fact that islamists are taking over the streets, or not the streets, whether or not that's the case, that's our problem, that's the police's problem, that's the police's problem blame shamima problem. we can't blame shamima begum for that particular legal issue. and actually, the fact of the matter is, if she gets let out , if she say, for example, if out, if she say, for example, if she came to this country, she was put in prison and then was let out. that is a failure of our our judicial system. >> has she she not >> has she not has she not through actions, reem? >> has she not has she not thr(has actions, reem? >> has she not has she not thr(has she actions, reem? >> has she not has she not thr(has she not ons, reem? >> has she not has she not thr(has she not through m? >> has she not has she not thr(has she not through her >> has she not through her actions shown where her allegiances lie and they don't lie in this country. >> but we can say that about any other criminal in this country. how many other people do have how many other people do we have in country that are in in this country that are in prisons clearly have shown prisons that clearly have shown terrorism, case? terrorism, not a special case? >> is terrorism not special case? >> we have people that have >> we have many people that have been of not been convicted of not necessarily terrorism, but of course, of crimes against the state in our prisons . i don't state in our prisons. i don't see how this is any different. the is that she the only difference is that she left country and that she's left the country and that she's of bangladeshi heritage. what left the country and that she's of barall deshi heritage. what left the country and that she's of barall ofshi heritage. what left the country and that she's of bar all of the 1eritage. what left the country and that she's of barall of the many,3. what left the country and that she's of barall of the many, manyt about all of the many, many criminals our prison criminals in our in our prison system at the moment? i mean,

i'm happy have a conversation i'm happy to have a conversation about that judicial about the fact that our judicial system far too system is broken and far too weak for many of these people. but that's separate but that's a separate conversation. right now. we're talking about begum talking about shamima begum and whether should have whether or not she should have had citizenship revoked. and whether or not she should have hthink citizenship revoked. and whether or not she should have hthink it'sizenship revoked. and whether or not she should have hthink it's wrong,3 revoked. and whether or not she should have hthink it's wrong, becausei. and whether or not she should have hthink it's wrong, because the|d i think it's wrong, because the only reason why she did have her citizenship revoked is because her were bangladeshi . her parents were bangladeshi. >> martin, you've been shaking your yeah it's just your head. yeah it's just entirely symptomatic of where we have our streets are awash with islamist thugs, with terrorists in waiting. >> i was at parliament this week pelted with eggs about, lose fluids, thrown at me. we have a simmering boiling point, a hatred and a cauldron of hatred on british streets. and we haven't. we have enough trouble of our own . we don't need to of our own. we don't need to import more troubles back in, and the public issue the public risk. we have a right in this. two the public the risk , the two the public the risk, the pubuc two the public the risk, the public fallout of a government once again bowing to the mob,

taking the knee to thugs, to islamism at a time when our own parliament is being influenced by the mob on the street , by the mob on the street, getting shamima begum back right now in that context, in that landscape that matters, it sends out a clear message. british people come second. our security comes second, and the security and the human rights of thugs and the human rights of thugs and terrorists and people who joined the islamic state comes before those of the british public. that's why i think these bleeding hearts have blood on their hands. well strong stuff from martin, strong stuff from reem. >> thank you very much indeed. martin will be back at 3:00 with his show. i'm sure he'll be teeing off on this again. thank you very much indeed. great debate there. good, good. proper debate. >> really, really strong debate. proper arguments from either side . uh, i yeah, no. and side. uh, i yeah, no. and actually some things to think about there from. yeah, yeah. >> very good indeed. let us know what you make of that gb views gb news. com should she rot in jail here or should she stay the

hell away? i was going to say in syria anyway, coming up, a us court whether prince court will decide whether prince harry's immigration records unked harry's immigration records linked to his drug use will be released. we'll have the latest after your headlines with tatiana . tatiana. >> emily, thank you. well, as you've been hearing, isis bride shamima begum has lost an appeal over the removal of her british citizenship. the now 24 year old was the teenager when she left the uk to travel to syria and joined the so—called islamic state. her citizenship was later revoked on national security grounds. begum solicitor has vowed to continue fighting until she gets justice and is safely back home. britain has signed a new deal with the eu's border agency in a further bid to stop small boat crossings. the agreement with frontex will see uk border force cooperate more closely with its european counterparts on intelligence and training . 1716 people have been

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>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> it's 139 in the afternoon. you're watching and listening to good afternoon britain. now, a heanng good afternoon britain. now, a hearing in washington today will decide whether harry's us decide whether prince harry's us visa application will be released to the public. >> now, this matters because harry's reference to taking cocaine , marijuana and cocaine, marijuana and psychedelic mushrooms. didn't he try to spare? yeah, it sounds like he's just done. i'm surprised that there wasn't anything about heroin there. i'm not. that's a joke . um. not. that's a joke. um. >> poor taste. perhaps >> poor taste. perhaps >> perhaps poor taste. but this memoir prompted the concern of washington, dc. think tank the heritage foundation to question why he was allowed into the us in 2020. because, of course , if in 2020. because, of course, if you come into the us, you can't have done illegal drugs . have done illegal drugs. >> yes. it's interesting. the heritage foundation is doing all this. isn't it a lawsuit was brought against the department for homeland security after a

freedom information freedom of information act request was rejected. >> we're joined in the >> well, we're joined in the studio now by gb news royal correspondent cameron walker to break down for us. and break it all down for us. and cameron, this this could be a really quite bit of hot water for the prince . yes. for the prince. yes. >> yeah, it could be. excuse me. potentially very tricky for prince harry, but this litigation is not actually been brought or he is not a defendant in this particular case. it's all about this conservative think tank called the heritage foundation , who is suing the foundation, who is suing the department for homeland security in the united states over the release of prince harry's immigration records. as you said in that introduction, the department of homeland security refused to give those immigration records to the heritage foundation . heritage foundation. >> uh, and it is all been sparked by, as you say, prince harry's reference in his memoir, spare to taking marijuana , spare to taking marijuana, cocaine and so—called magic mushrooms. >> psychedelic mushrooms as well, which you cannot do if you want to enter the united states.

so nigel gardner of the heritage foundation says given prince harry's extensive drug use admissions normally disqualifying from entry into the united states as americans deserve to know if prince harry lied on his application and the department for homeland security looks the other way, or gave him otherwise preferential treatment. and that's why it's potentially quite tricky , potentially quite tricky, because either prince harry did not admit on his immigration form that to taking, um, illegal substances or he did say so and the department for homeland security in other words, the biden administration, the us government looked the other way or gave him preferential treatment because he is the prince of united kingdom. so prince of the united kingdom. so there a lot of potentially there are a lot of potentially quite hot water scenarios for prince harry and indeed the us government . if the judge decides government. if the judge decides that the rules in the heritage foundation's favour and orders, the government to release those

immigration records for prince harry and a government lawyer for the department for homeland security had previously written in a court submission. courts hold that a person's visa or immigration status is private, personal information and is therefore is exempt from disclosure. i have contacted prince harry's office for comment . as of yet, uh, nothing comment. as of yet, uh, nothing back from them. the hearing in this case in washington dc expected to happen our evening time , us lunch time and then the time, us lunch time and then the judge will make his decision at a later date. >> so is the heritage foundation. are they attempting to expose potential , uh, double to expose potential, uh, double standards here? >> i think that is the accusation taken against the government , the us government government, the us government here, because i think if they are arguing that an ordinary citizen , if they put on their citizen, if they put on their immigration, uh, application form to enter the united states and they put that they had taken and they put that they had taken a legal substance , is it is very a legal substance, is it is very likely that that immigration

would be refused. they would be refused entry into the united states. they'd need a very specific exemption . so the specific exemption. so the question is, if prince harry was legally warranted an exemption, if he did admit to taking illegal drugs on that form, who made that decision within the biden administration or the department for homeland security? now that may not be the case. prince harry may have admitted , did not may have not admitted, did not may have not put on his immigration record that he had taken illegal drugs, in which case all eyes will turn on prince harry for why he lied on prince harry for why he lied on his immigration records. as i said, we don't know what's on that immigration record, so there's suggestion prince there's no suggestion prince harry at point. harry has lied at this point. but clearly that's the but clearly that's what the immigration tell immigration records would tell us either way. >> yeah, but way, it's >> yeah, but either way, it's not good for anyone, is it? i mean, either he he lied or perhaps he might say he forgot or that, but but or something like that, but but that a criminal offence, if that is a criminal offence, if i'm not mistaken, lie on your i'm not mistaken, to lie on your immigration application form in the so the united states. so it's either fault on his part or fault on the biden

administration's part . there's administration's part. there's no there's no happy conclusion to this saga. >> and this all comes back to his memoir, spare. and got his memoir, spare. and it's got himself lot of hot water himself into a lot of hot water because not has he admitted because not only has he admitted in that book to taking illegal substances at various times , substances at various times, there's also other instances within that book which have since been proven to not be particularly true. i remember breaking exclusively on gb news that, uh, print prince harry. uh perhaps forgot or at least was not aware of the circumstances surrounding the death of his, uh, great great great great grandmother. um the queen mother. he said when he found out she was dying, she died. he was at school. he was actually on holiday skiing with the then prince charles and prince william . so it's all of those , william. so it's all of those, uh, points in his book, which question whether there are more, perhaps serious , uh, allegations perhaps serious, uh, allegations in that book which are perhaps are prince harry's version of the truth rather than the full truth. >> well, thank you very much indeed, cameron walker. you

would have thought his legal team might have told him to edit that bit out spare. might that bit out of spare. might cause problems. prince cause you some problems. prince harry line. quite harry down the line. i quite like with your your visa. >> no, certainly. i quite like like with your your visa. >> phrasetainly. i quite like like with your your visa. >> phrase though. quite like like with your your visa. >> phrase though. princeike the phrase though. prince harry's version of the truth rather full truth. rather than the full truth. >> always about my >> well, it was always about my truth, it? truth, isn't it? >> i don't care the facts. >> i don't care about the facts. it's my truth. my truth and you have to believe my truth because it's mine. >> w- w— >> but what if my truth is in contravention to truth? do contravention to your truth? do you believe my truth? you have to believe my truth? and i have to believe your truth? >> you have to get a neutral arbiter. or both coexist arbiter. or both can coexist in this up world. but anyway, this made up world. but anyway, schrodinger's truth. >> well, coming coming >> well, coming up, coming up. we're rewriting we're asking if ai is rewriting history. well, all will be revealed after this very short break. >> this is spooky. this

pipes to bring it to our houses. >> you're listening to . >> you're listening to. gb news interesting views coming in on shamima begum. >> uh, robert says, i agree with

both martin and reem. whatever, whatever, whatever . happens, she whatever, whatever. happens, she will remain a poster girl for the hard left and islamist terrorist sympathisers. but the establishment do nothing to establishment will do nothing to counter these threats and andy has that home secretary has said that the home secretary should remove her legal should now remove her legal aid status after the loss of her appeal. >> further appeals should be personally funded, which i think is yes but could is reasonable. yes but could they crowdfunded ? well, they be crowdfunded? well, that's fine if they if idiots want give her lots of money want to give her lots of money and then pay expensive lawyers lots of that money, they should be free to do so. >> no one should stop, wouldn't it? >> it would be a bit grim to know that people are giving their own. >> it's not my money. i don't really care. >> fair enough. russell says there needs be a major revamp there needs to be a major revamp of system for of our legal aid system for people begum, it is people like begum, it is ridiculous that we must fund endless appeal after appeal. there a limit one there should be a limit of one heanng there should be a limit of one hearing subsequent hearing with any subsequent heanng hearing privately funded or provided they would hearing privately funded or provided be they would hearing privately funded or provided be a they would hearing privately funded or provided be a lot they would hearing privately funded or provided be a lot of they would hearing privately funded or provided be a lot of lawyerled probably be a lot of lawyers who'd be like, oh, i'll do it a pro bono. yeah, i'll do it pro bono. >> they'd think they were doing

such a nice thing. yes. to the girl who allegedly sue suicide vests all of it. vests and all the rest of it. >> did see a human rights >> i did see a human rights group have come out and said she's victim of bullying. and, group have come out and said she'know. tim of bullying. and, you know. >> yeah, of course she's isis that are the victim. >> victim in all of >> she's a victim in all of this. but darren so pleased this. but darren says so pleased she lost the appeal. anybody who hates this country and what it stands door always stands for, the door is always open for you to leave. so there you that's what, uh, darren you go. that's what, uh, darren has say. has to say. >> well, there we go. shall we talk about historical accuracy now? >> um, okay. >> um, okay. >> and >> because. and stay with me here. has had to temper here. google has had to temper eerily halt its latest ai model. now, something called now, this is something called gemini, program that google gemini, a program that google released and it would allow you to write in a prompt, but that would then generate images , would then generate images, these images of people, images of things , images of anything. of things, images of anything. well it's now been banned from show me a young, handsome tv presenter . show me a young, handsome tv presenter. it would obviously give a picture of me. okay but it probably wouldn't because they've had to turn this system of off after it was generating

images of people that weren't quite what people were asking for. uh it particularly when it came to gender and ethnicity. um for example, if you typed in, show me a picture of a medieval king of england , and this is king of england, and this is what you'd get. medieval king of england , um, one of those. well, england, um, one of those. well, it's a very feminine king of england in the bottom left hand corner there. um, some might say a queen of england and, and in medieval times was the royal family that ethnically diverse? i'm not quite sure it was. >> this is so funny because google is clearly being programmed to well, google is clearly being programmed to well , to be as programmed to well, to be as diverse as possible . so if you diverse as possible. so if you type in a white man , you type in a white man, you actually get men of different colours. you may even get a woman thrown in there. you may get something else completely, entirely. and it's just this is why do you think they're doing it? >> well, shall we have a look at shall we have a look at another

prompt here that was typed in while this system was still online, as again, it's been taken off now google after taken off now by google after they the horrific effects. they saw the horrific effects. let's have a look at this one about, the about, uh, show me the illustration of a 1943 german soldier . illustration of a 1943 german soldier. now, in 1943, the germans were were , um, perhaps germans were were, um, perhaps not the most diverse race regime. that one could possibly think of, but amazingly, these german soldiers are female. and again, there is one white man, but the rest aren't . and it but the rest aren't. and it almost seems like there's this program that whatever you ask for, you can't have more than one of the four options being, uh , being white or male. uh, being white or male. >> i wonder what the, um, defence of this would be. um, would it be based on. oh it's nice that there are different ethnicities and genders represented. well i think. is that it? >> i think if you were to say, show me a group of people, you wouldn't necessarily want every single person there to be white, right? so that would make right? so that that would make sense this thing to sense to program this thing to show more diverse. but show something more diverse. but

but the problem they seem to but the problem is they seem to have this every have applied this to every single instance this single instance s in this program . so you say show me a program. so you say show me a medieval king of england. i think this is this is show me a viking. now all of these vikings are african vikings , asian are african vikings, asian vikings, mongol vikings. i'm not sure there were any vikings from that. and then you ask for what? show me a picture of the pope. now um, i'm not sure there has ever been a female pope, but google seems to think that there has quite extraordinary, has been quite extraordinary, actually. >> are they trying rewrite >> are they trying to rewrite history here, or are they trying to? what on earth are they trying to do? let us know what you think. google is one of the biggest companies in the world, and perhaps the most concerning thing about this, because we can we have of jokes about we can have lots of jokes about it, right? >> but does it matter? perhaps the concerning thing is the most concerning thing is they this product to they released this product to the public without realising this major flaw. how did this major, major flaw. how did they not realise this? how did they not realise this? how did the californian wizkids of technical knowledge not even try to sort of understand that there

is this blatant bias ? because is this blatant bias? because that's what it is. it's a racial bias . bias. >> well, the chatbox program, the chat bots are also quite progressive , aren't they? progressive, aren't they? >> oh, you ask, they say, don't ask that question. yeah. if you ask that question. yeah. if you ask is hamas a terrorist organisation? they say, oh, we couldn't possibly we couldn't possibly say we couldn't possibly say we couldn't question. couldn't answer that question. that's contentious. you that's very contentious. you ask, israel a terrorist or is ask, is israel a terrorist or is the idf terrorist the idf a terrorist organisation? it goes, oh, well, some these some people say so. and these are reasons they say so. are all the reasons they say so. it's completely, completely bonkers. some things it's completely, completely bonktake some things it's completely, completely bonktake a some things it's completely, completely bonktake a stance.;ome things they take a stance. >> the chatbot on, others they, uh, pontificate what world we live they suggest you're live in and they suggest you're wrong even ask. let us know. wrong to even ask. let us know. what think google is up what do you think google is up to but going to be to there? but we're going to be talking the break. we're talking after the break. we're going to talking about suella going to be talking about suella bravermans in the bravermans comments in the telegraph. that telegraph. she was saying that islamist and islamist extremists and anti—semites running anti—semites are running the country. she right, or is country. is she right, or is that a bit much ? stay with . us. that a bit much? stay with. us. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb

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gb news. away. >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:00 on friday. the 23rd of february. our islamist running britain suella braverman says. >> so, she says islamists, extremists and anti—semites are now in charge of the uk. however, home secretary james cleverly rejects this claim, saying britain is a high functioning democracy whose right. >> isis bride remains defiant.

shamima begum loses her appeal again but says she'll not stop fighting until she's back in britain. despite her appeals costing the british taxpayer millions and £12 billion. >> that's how much taxpayers have sent to ukraine in aid since russia's invasion two years ago. that's enough to build 30 new hospitals here in britain. but with putin more belligerent than ever , can the belligerent than ever, can the west afford not fund . ukraine? >> it is so interesting how appeal after appeal after appeal appears to be funded by you and me. well i mean, interesting is one word for it. the shamima begum has been a story that has beenin begum has been a story that has been in the media now for almost a decade. it was 2015 that she all right. that is almost decade. >> that is hard to believe, isn't it, that it's been going on for this long or is it really with our appeal process?

>> well, i mean, how how has it because originally her citizenship was stripped in 2019, that's five years ago by sajid javid as as home secretary . and he's had several other cabinet posts and now no cabinet posts in the intermediate side of this. >> are you on though, tom? they're your cards. who do you think? do you think should think? what do you think should happen her? do you she happen to her? do you think she should or are should face justice here or are you very, quite happy for her to remain in syria? >> i think reem made some really interesting debate interesting points in the debate interesting points in the debate in hour, which was in the last hour, which was she's british, so she should face british justice, she face british justice, but she was citizen. was a dual citizen. >> she's not british anymore. >> so she's not just british. yeah. so that means the yeah. so that means that the home completely home secretary was completely within rights, in my view. within his rights, in my view. and apparently court's and apparently in the court's view to withdraw her citizenship because it didn't make her stateless. she's not stateless because she has bangladeshi citizenship as well. so, so it's a it's a perfectly fine and legal thing to do in my view. >> my view that the human >> my view is that the human rights of the rest of us should prevail, take far more prevail, should take far more importance of shamima importance than that of shamima begum. i really do not like

begum. and i really do not like to think that my earned tax to think that my hard earned tax payer coming out of my payer money coming out of my payslip every month is going towards funding her legal aid. but there you go. that is the britain we live in. let us know what you think. vaiews@gbnews.com. but first your with tatiana . your headlines with tatiana. >> emily, thank you very much. your top stories from the newsroom. isis bride shamima begum has lost an appeal over the removal of her british citizenship. the now 24 year old was a teenager when she left the uk to travel to syria and joined the so—called islamic state. her citizenship was later revoked on national security grounds. begum solicitor , daniel furner, has solicitor, daniel furner, has promised to continue fighting until she gets justice and is safely back home. the agony of waiting . waiting. >> i want to say that i'm sorry to shamima and to her family that after five years of fighting, she still hasn't received justice in a british

court and to promise her and to promise the government that we're not going to stop fighting i >> britain has signed a new deal with the eu's border agency in a further bid to stop small boat crossings, as the agreement with frontex will see uk border force cooperate more closely with its european counterpart parts on intelligence and training . 1716 intelligence and training. 1716 people have been intercepted illegally crossing the channel so far this year. james cleverly says the deal will help tackle the problem . the problem. >> means we can share information quicker, share intelligence quicker , we can intelligence quicker, we can operate more effectively and the reason that's important is because the eu wants to secure its external borders, just as we do so. people who are coming into europe from eastern europe, across the mediterranean , the across the mediterranean, the european union wants to stop them . we want to help them stop them. we want to help them stop them, because those people filter through europe and ultimately find themselves on small boats coming across to the uk .

uk. >> the prime minister says it's unacceptable for intimidate to threaten democracy . his comments threaten democracy. his comments come as the commons speaker faces growing pressure to resign over the gaza ceasefire debate . over the gaza ceasefire debate. sir lindsay hoyle says the decision to allow an amendment was motivated by concern about mps safety . rishi sunak says he mps safety. rishi sunak says he expects police to use new powers to clamp down on protests around parliament constituency offices, constituents offices and council chambers . chambers. >> i think mps safety is incredibly important and it's right that in our society, democracy needs to be able to function smoothly. people need to be able to raise their views and debate things without the fear of being intimidated or indeed attacked. and that's why we are giving the police more powers to down on powers to clamp down on protests. it's simply unacceptable. all >> households will see their energy bills fall to the lowest level in two years. energy regulator ofgem has announced it's dropping the price cap by 12.3% in response to wholesale

pnces 12.3% in response to wholesale prices effective from april. it means a typical energy bill will fall by £238 . to £1,690. serial fall by £238. to £1,690. serial child killer lucy letby , whose child killer lucy letby, whose bid to appeal her convictions will be heard by a court in april. the former nurse was sentenced to 14 whole life orders after she murdered seven babies and attempted . to kill babies and attempted. to kill six others at a hospital between june 2015 and 2016. if judges rule against her, it'll be the end of netbeez appeal process . end of netbeez appeal process. the biggest ever drug bust has been made by uk authorities in a major blow to drug cartels. 5.7 tonnes of cocaine with a street value of more than £450 million was found in a container at southampton port, which was transporting bananas into europe from south america. national crime agency officers believe the haul was heading to hamburg, but say a significant proportion of the drug would have ended

back in the uk. of the drug would have ended back in the uk . thousands of back in the uk. thousands of people in plymouth have been evacuating their homes following the discovery of an unexploded second world war bomb. devon and cornwall police found the device in a garden on tuesday morning in a garden on tuesday morning in the keir mather area. the military is on site to transport the bomb through the for city disposal at sea. residents living within 300m of the convoy route have been told to leave the area until 5:00 this evening, for their safety , and evening, for their safety, and coronation street actor john savident, best known for playing butcher fred elliott, has died at the age of 86. confirming his death, his agent said he'll be sorely missed by all who knew him . he arrived on the cobbles him. he arrived on the cobbles in 1994 and became a fan favourite . his storylines favourite. his storylines involved his disastrous love life, including three marriages and several failed proposals . and several failed proposals. for the latest stories , sign up for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or

you can go to gb news. com slash alerts . now back to tom you can go to gb news. com slash alerts. now back to tom and . alerts. now back to tom and. emily. has britain been bullied into submission ? into submission? >> well, that's the claim of the former home secretary, suella braverman, who has said that islamic ism is attacking british institutions as well as our values and freedoms in every walk of life . walk of life. >> yes. she also issued a rallying call for brits not to accept defeat and fight against the ever growing influence of islamism, which she called the most dangerous terrorist ideology facing the country. >> however, there are fears that such sentiments are fuelling islamophobia too, as new figures reveal that anti—muslim hate incidents have tripled in the uk since the hamas terrorist attack on israel on october the 7th. >> yes, well, let's cross to westminster and speak to gb news political editor christopher hope. it feels as though whenever suella braverman takes pen to paper, it causes huge

controversy . controversy. >> yes, yes, tom. hi, emily. yeah, well, i mean, she knows what she's doing. the article in question is this article in the telegraph . um, she was telegraph. um, she was commissioned to write it by the telegraph. it doesn't pull its punches. it comes after the protests outside , um, parliament protests outside, um, parliament on wednesday night. the words projected onto the elizabeth tower. big ben, uh, that, you know, from the river to the sea. palestine will be free. now, thatis palestine will be free. now, that is about getting rid of israel. deeply offensive to israel, very offensive to jews in britain. seeing that, um, and we're seeing now the images there, our colleague martin daubney was out there and he saw that camera projecting that onto the building. and no one was taking it down, even though martin was saying that is a crime to project those kind of language onto a public building. um, number 10 is unhappy about it. they say very clearly that there's a difference . they won't there's a difference. they won't criticise the police, but they will say that what they saw was

wrong as most people would think they get their holding a fine line between not being harsh on the police, but to go back to the police, but to go back to the remarks from suella braverman, that's a context of when she's speaking in the telegraph. she said there, um, that is cranks and left that islam is cranks and left wing extremists are bullying our country into submission . it's country into submission. it's a crisis and the fightback must start now with urgency. she said that keir starmer had bowed to the mob in pressuring the speaker to allow a second amendment, so labour members could vote for their policy on gaza , rather than the snp or gaza, rather than the snp or government policies. on wednesday night, one of the most harmful days for our democracy. just finally, he says, there that by effectively taking the speaker hostage, brought speaker hostage, he brought parliament disrepute. now parliament into disrepute. now that's language. as suella that's that language. as suella braverman knows , is causing braverman knows, is causing a reaction. sadiq khan , who's the reaction. sadiq khan, who's the london mayor fighting for election in may? he says, and he says that miss braverman is doing her best to outflank enoch powell. he's the tory mp, of

course, the minister who made that famous rivers of blood speech, which caused so much harm to racial to communities and multiracial communities around the country in the late 60s, he says. it's a poisoned attempt to drive a wedge between our communities and serve our own naked ambition. now, more than more than ever , we should than more than ever, we should be seeking to unite, divide . be seeking to unite, not divide. so debate carries on. so the debate carries on. i should say, by the way, on the future of the speaker, 69 mps have now signed that edm the motion of no confidence, confidence in him , his problems confidence in him, his problems haven't gone away more might sign by monday if he gets towards 100. i think he's in some trouble. >> that's really interesting, chris, because obviously most mps are back in their constituencies today, friday, not not usually the busiest day in westminster. what impact might some days of sort of percolating away from westminster have on those calculations? it could go one of two ways. i suppose. yeah >> that's right. what's happening right now is mps are back with their constituents.

they're talking to them, finding out what they think. and that can go one of two ways. it might well be that come on well be that they come back on monday emboldened concern monday emboldened by concern about essentially about the speaker. essentially allowing pressure on mps , uh, allowing pressure on mps, uh, serious pressure, threats to them to dictate what happens in them to dictate what happens in the commons chamber, that that's the commons chamber, that that's the problem has happened. the speaker hoyle appears to have allowed his own personal concern for of mps to undermine for safety of mps to undermine the authority of the office of the authority of the office of the speaker . it's that the speaker. and it's that difference, which is difference, i think, which is the problem. i talked to some rebels earlier today. tom and emily, they say there's still a few go. they're saying few more to go. they're saying that mps waiting that some mps are waiting on others the deed . they're others to do the deed. they're saying others will sign on monday, said because they monday, one said because they can't the online system. can't use the online system. well, surprise to some well, that's no surprise to some of the mps that you and i know. um, but they say that if this gets to 15% of mps rather than 10. so towards 100, then they'd be quite hard for the government not to allow a vote of no confidence in the speaker early next week. he's not out of the woods yet. >> very interesting to see if it

fizzles out or momentum. fizzles out or gains momentum. thank very much indeed, thank you very much indeed, christopher news christopher hope gb news political . you one political editor. you know, one thing suella braverman did thing that suella braverman did write in her article that is quite alarming is that the government, she says the government, she says the government if 75% of government has failed. if 75% of mi5's government has failed. if 75% of m15's caseload consists of islamist terrorism, yet the proportion of islamist referrals into the prevent scheme, which is the counter—terrorism program, is only 11% and falling . so why, if the m15 . so why, if . so why, if the m15. so why, if the mi5 . so why, if the m15. so why, if the m15 has this huge caseload of islamist terrorism cases , why of islamist terrorism cases, why are only 11% of referrals to prevent the government's counter terrorism program to do with islamists? >> i am so staggered by that figure. yeah that, that that that 89% of referrals to the prevent program are nothing at all to do with islamist terrorism. well, this is what william shawcross was saying. >> he did the review into the program, and he said that those working on the program, well, you're far more likely to get referrals of right

referrals of far right white fundamentalist, um, extremists rather than islamists. and the question is, why is that? shall we speak to raqib hasan, who is a social policy analyst and knows a lot about this area. now raqib suella article strong stuff . what did she what did she stuff. what did she what did she get right , stuff. what did she what did she get right, right. and what did she get wrong in your view? >> well, i think that suella is absolutely right that the when it comes to talking about the function of prevent , uh, there function of prevent, uh, there are concerns there. >> there's a fundamental mismatch between the ideological composition of cases which are referred to the prevent program and the ideological composition of the m15's wider terror related caseload . related caseload. >> and, uh, the ideological composition of cases referred to prevent don't reflect the reality that, uh, islamist extremism , um, represents the extremism, um, represents the principal terror threat in modern britain . modern britain. >> and that's also reflected

when you look at the ideological composition of the terror related, uh, population across the prison estate . and i've the prison estate. and i've argued for some time that there are left leaning, progressive leaning, public bodies in education and healthcare . education and healthcare. they're far too involved , uh, they're far too involved, uh, within the prevent scheme when it comes to, uh, the referral system. and i think you have those institutions where there are those progressive biases being paralysed by identity politics and political correctness and that's why you have that fundamental mismatch, why you have those ideological composition of cases where there's actually quite a relatively low percentage of islamist radicalisation cases that doesn't reflect the wider , that doesn't reflect the wider, um, terror. >> are you suggesting that maybe because prevent relies on referrals , doesn't it? it relies referrals, doesn't it? it relies on people to refer to people that they suspect to be extremists in one way or another? so you're suggesting that maybe in schools , for that maybe in schools, for example, teachers are loathe or apprehensive to focus on, uh,

you know, a child might be espousing what seems to be islamist views, but they don't really want to go they're really want to go there. they're worried about maybe accusations of islamophobia sort of thing. >> they could accusations of >> they could be accusations of racism, islamophobia . to be racism, islamophobia. to be honest, i much prefer the tum anti muslim prejudice. uh, there might be fears that they're might also be fears that they're suppressing religious freedom as well. they're well well. so they're well intentioned in the sense that they're not there to offend people. but i think the issue is there, racial and religious sensitivities being sensitivities are being prioritised bread and prioritised over the bread and butter of actually helping the prevent scheme instead of in, uh, in terms of shoring up, uh, pubuc uh, in terms of shoring up, uh, public security in modern britain. now, emily, you asked me where i felt that the former home secretary, what she may have got wrong. i think suggesting that the islamists are in charge of britain. i think that is somewhat loaded. and i'll explain why. and i don't think i can be accused of ever trivialise easing the threat islamist terrorism. threat of islamist terrorism. um, in the uk. but i think if you're talking about islamist being charge, would being in charge, that would include all

include being in charge of all the bodies the the democratic bodies in the country, police force country, all of our police force is the system. the wider is the court system. the wider education system, schools and universities, and indeed the civil service. so i think that you can talk very robustly in terms of , um, you can talk very robustly in terms of, um, addressing the challenge of islamist extremism. the principal terror threat in the country, without , uh, the country, without, uh, engaging in such alarmist language. >> um, so would it be your view that perhaps sometimes these institutions are just too weak to to , stand up uh, groups in to to, stand up uh, groups in society or sort of not wanting to talk that language rather than have been somehow infiltrate and taken over, not. >> tom, i think there is a very serious problem in terms of the institutions who may well be well intentioned , uh, but well intentioned, uh, but ultimately using the excuse, for example, community relations , example, community relations, not wanting to offend the wider muslim population. in fact, it's the bigotry of low expectations taking a soft approach to islamist extremism for fear of offending many british muslims actually isn't treating them very well, because quite often you have more moderate minded,

law abiding british muslims. they that islamist they have to face that islamist intimidation and harassment on a day to day basis. you're doing them a great disservice. but i think ultimately, i think that the one point that i'd really like make is that can like to make is that you can talk very robustly about the threat of islamist extremism without threat of islamist extremism wi'islamist being in charge of of islamist being in charge of britain, because i think that language quite language is actually quite defeatist. interesting. what do we about the >> but what do we do about the problem we have where we problem that we have where we have a huge rise in anti semitism the same time we semitism at the same time we have a huge rise in anti—muslim incidents . how have a huge rise in anti—muslim incidents. how on earth do we restore our what we all want to see some kind of societal harmony ? or is that, uh, is that harmony? or is that, uh, is that , uh, you know, too idealistic, too idealistic? not going to happen. >> well, i'm i'm generally a very optimistic person, so i think that we can definitely make improvements when it comes to social cohesion. but the real worry is, is that under, uh, multicultural policy, we've empowered the wrong actors in

particular communities , particular communities, including those who are in my view, are tribal opportunists within british muslim communities who are, quite frankly, more concentrated on their own social status, gaining control for themselves as opposed to representing their community as well as well as operating in the interests of social cohesion at large. well dr mo khaki bassan, really appreciate your thoughts on, uh, what is a fairly spicy article by the former home secretary in the telegraph? >> parts of it , the telegraph? >> parts of it, uh, very sensible parts of it, perhaps , sensible parts of it, perhaps, um, unhelpful . um, unhelpful. >> well, yeah, he does know his stuff on this. um, but coming up, we will be speaking to our very own nigel farage live from cpac in washington. washington dc. cpac in washington. washington dc. he's due to give a speech later today. what might he say? we'll get the juicy, uh, all the gossip for you

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radio. now. >> gb news presenter nigel farage is in washington dc at a conference called the concert of political action conference. it's known as cpac and he's due to give a speech there later today. it's almost the equivalent of the annual conference for the republicans. >> yes , it's a big deal. >> yes, it's a big deal. meanwhile, nigel has also been offered to work alongside a labour government as britain's ambassador the us to help ambassador to the us to help strengthen a potential relationship between donald trump starmer. should trump and keir starmer. should both men win power later this yeah both men win power later this year. the year. describing himself as the ideal man for the job? should we get all the gossip then? >> well, he told he told us that earlier this week, but we're joined now and nigel. joined now by nigel and nigel. um, are you still serious about this offer to sir keir starmer? is this bridge between the donald and sir keir ? well here's donald and sir keir? well here's the point. >> i mean, labour are 25 points aheadin >> i mean, labour are 25 points ahead in the opinion polls looking like becoming the next government . government. >> trump is ahead quite strongly in the key swing states in this

country . so we may finish up in country. so we may finish up in a few months time with a labour government a new trump presidency. >> the moment, presidency. >> the moment , there is no >> at the moment, there is no relationship between keir starmer's labour party and team trump. >> in fact, david lammy and others have said very disobliging things about him. forget the personalities . what forget the personalities. what matters here is our relationship with the united states of america. the future of nato . so america. the future of nato. so these things are absolutely vital. and the argument i'm making is if you put in a classic foreign office type as the ambassador to washington, they won't even get through the front door of the oval office. you need somebody who knows trump, who knows trump , who trump, who knows trump, who believes in defending, not just our national interests, but actually the safety of the west. >> i think that defence and security are going to become, over the course of the next five years, one of the most important global issues, if they're not already. >> so look, all i'm saying is, you know, i would be more than happy to try and help in the

national interest, if not me, then please pick somebody who's not your usual oxbridge foreign office type. >> well, they're interesting indeed. but nigel, on the issue of security of europe and the west, are you not concerned that perhaps donald trump may pull the plug on funding ukraine, stop backing ukraine and that could leave us all in a far more peril than we would be otherwise . well first things first, nato. >> that's been the big debate over the course of the last couple of weeks. there is no way that a donald trump administration, no way that they would, know, just abandon would, you know, just abandon their like united their allies like the united kingdom . what he is nato kingdom. what he wants is nato to its fair share on to pay its fair share on ukraine. this is much, much more difficult . there is a strong difficult. there is a strong feeling amongst american taxpayers that they're shovelling tens of billions into a country that is one of the most corrupt countries in the world. they have no idea whether the money is getting to the right place and yeah, you know, the future funding of ukraine is going to be a very major

problem. and i think what trump wants is peace talks. but i have to say , after the murder of to say, after the murder of navalny , that becomes very much navalny, that becomes very much more difficult . more difficult. >> yeah. the president of ukraine, vladimir zelenskyy, has offered the hand to donald trump to come to visit him in ukraine. do you think that he might be wanting to accept that offer, perhaps do a walkabout as boris johnson once did? well well, have a think about trump as president. >> they all said this insular american president who will withdraw america from the world. well, in one sense, it's true . well, in one sense, it's true. he's the first president in years, not to launch a new war, but actually, he went all over the world trying to be a peace broker . you know, he crossed the broker. you know, he crossed the line and went into north korea at a time when there were great fears as to what their next actions might be. he helped to broker the most incredible series of peace agreements in the middle east, the the middle east, called the abraham accords , something i abraham accords, something i think that really prompted the hamas attack was a fear that

trump might get back in again later this year. so he has shown himself as a peace broker and yes, i think he would go to ukraine, i have no doubt about it. >> and nigel, have you got your notes ready for your speech this evening? what are you going to say? you probably don't need notes, actually. silly me, i i've never used notes. >> no, i've always spoken from here said think . and here and said what i think. and what going to say this, what i'm going to say is this, that first came here that when i first came here over a decade ago, i was the only foreign speaker. now we have former prime ministers former british prime ministers we elected we have the newly elected president argentina. over 20 president of argentina. over 20 countries represented . and cpac countries represented. and cpac has become a genuinely international global phenomenon. and what i'll say is it's good news that we're seeing conservative style parties right across europe, research agents in america doing very, very well. our country perhaps the exception just at this moment in time. but that time is short and that unless we're prepared to stand up and defend everything, western civilisation was based

on.and western civilisation was based on. and by that i mean family, nation, and judeo—christian identity , which underpins identity, which underpins everything we've been building for 1000 years and more. unless we have the moral courage to stand up to it, we'll finish up with scenes such as those we've seen in westminster. this week, where fear stalks the corridors absolutely fascinate nigel. >> that javier milei , the new >> that javier milei, the new president of argentina , is there president of argentina, is there with you, too. i mean, he's someone who's cut the number of government departments in half . government departments in half. he's taken a chainsaw to the government. he wants to abolish the central bank. he's doing some really rather radical things in a way that perhaps most conservative leaders have been fairly timid to do. do you think there are lessons that could be learned? because one of the big criticisms of donald trump as president, when he was for his four year terms, was that the debt grew, was that spending grew , too? um, could he spending grew, too? um, could he learn something from javier milei, perhaps ? well i think

milei, perhaps? well i think that malay has been incredibly brave. >> i mean, argentina, once a great country, was literally going down the drain . and he's going down the drain. and he's come in, he's done some very radical things. interestingly in the last 48 hours, the markets have turned and the markets are now saying, do you know what? maybe malaysia economics is going to work. maybe it is going to save argentina from literally going down the economic drain. so actually, do you know what? you asked me that question in a year's time, tom. but i wonder whether we might all learn something from what he's doing. it's absolutely fascinating because the liz because people describe the liz truss era in, in the united kingdom as if, oh, this is market economics, this libertarian experiment that has failed when she increased spending, she tried to fix the price of energy. >> she did all of this sort of big state that perhaps was big state stuff that perhaps was more, negative to global more, more negative to global markets. someone markets. you look at someone who's cutting the size who's actually cutting the size of and seems that of government, and it seems that the only conservative leader anywhere in world that's anywhere in the world that's doing actually javier anywhere in the world that's doing and actually javier anywhere in the world that's doing and therally javier anywhere in the world that's doing and the marketsavier anywhere in the world that's doing and the markets respond milei. and the markets respond positively that .

positively to that. >> yeah, yeah, yeah . i mean, you >> yeah, yeah, yeah. i mean, you know, argentinian bonds are at a four year high. uh projections for the fall of the currency have have significantly declined in the futures markets. no, no . in the futures markets. no, no. international investors are beginning to say, you know what? this guy might just be getting it right. and i for hope the sake of argentina that he does. >> thank you very much >> well, thank you very much indeed for talking to us, nigel. good for your speech later good luck for your speech later on. i'm sure it'll be barnstorming as always . good to barnstorming as always. good to speak you, nigel farage. speak to you, nigel farage. there always on form. >> i think we should all we >> and i think we should all we should all think that argentina should all think that argentina should different uk. should different from the uk. they get lot richer they should get a lot richer though, it tends to be though, because it tends to be poor countries with poor countries that with unpopular governments that go scrap for territorial scrap out for territorial ambitions . so i mean i mean ambitions. so i mean i mean russia incredibly poor on a per person basis . no wonder it's person basis. no wonder it's trying to territory . i trying to grab territory. i think the falklands are safer if argentina is richer. yeah >> well, he said he has made it clear to the country that things are going to worse before are going to get worse before they get better. if you slash

government way, government spending in that way, obviously be obviously they're going to be therapy. going be therapy. there are going to be some teething issues, but it's clear that he his ideology clear that he has his ideology and going with it. and he's going to stick with it. he has a vision. wouldn't that be nice in country? be nice in this country? >> think i genuinely >> yeah, i think i genuinely think the most interesting think he's the most interesting leader today. well leader in the world today. well you know what? >> its first >> america landed its first spacecraft the moon since spacecraft on the moon since 1972. we're going to be getting the low on that later in the low down on that later on in the low down on that later on in the show. and also catching up the low down on that later on in theshamimad also catching up the low down on that later on in theshamima begum,atching up the low down on that later on in theshamima begum, who's] up her on shamima begum, who's lost her appeal. she's not going to appeal. but she's not going to stop with . us. stop fighting. stay with. us. emily thank your top stories from the gb newsroom. >> isis bride shamima begum has lost an appeal over the removal of her british citizenship . the of her british citizenship. the now 24 year old was a teenager when she left the uk to to travel syria and joined the so—called islamic state. her citizenship was later revoked on national security grounds. begum solicitor has vowed to continue fighting until she gets justice and is safely back home. britain

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2:36. and after providing more than £7 billion in military aid to ukraine with a further £200 million now on the cards, is this kind of spending really in the better interest of the british public? is it necessary? >> yes. we've been speaking with some of you about your thoughts on this. here's what you had on this. so here's what you had to . to say. >> e�*- t need help in this >> people need help in this country much as need to country as much as we need to help people in ukraine. but we can't back. you know, can't turn our back. you know, we do need more help in this country. most definitely. we do need more help in this couitry. most definitely. we do need more help in this coui think ost definitely. we do need more help in this coui think ost > i think it's outrageous to send that amount of money abroad to anything else. send that amount of money abroad to you1ything else. send that amount of money abroad to you know,] else. send that amount of money abroad to you know, without without >> you know, without without consideration the people who consideration for the people who live in england. so you've got to look after your own people first. >> i think it's a good thing that we're sending aid and helping those that are in need. >> but the same time, we're >> but at the same time, we're also in a cost of living crisis here. >> and we've got lots of people that need assistance here, to be quite honest, disgusting. >> simple reason >> because for the simple reason is we are paying literally. >> on top of what is still >> lee on top of what is still going on and they want more

money. we >> that's very interesting, isn't it, to hear what people out and about. i think that's birmingham was saying about this people's first concern is the cost of living in this country and all the things that could , and all the things that could, you know, be better, run or better done if they had a bit more cash . but then at the same more cash. but then at the same point, people do well, some people do that. we heard from definitely want us to be doing both . yeah. which is, you know, both. yeah. which is, you know, sensible, i'd say. >> perhaps there are >> i think perhaps there are elements of the foreign aid budget that trimmed budget that could be trimmed down, uh, in order to fund some of the important stuff in ukraine. >> well, yes . how ukraine. >> well, yes. how many times have we been told that our defence budget, for example, isn't big enough ? i mean, how isn't big enough? i mean, how many military experts have we spoken to who say that our army is depleted, that we don't have the right kit, that we don't have enough people recruited to our armed forces? >> maybe it's just a matter of prioritisation in where we spend

our money. >> we could spend on what would you axe? >> well, i don't think we'd give shamima millions of pounds shamima begum millions of pounds in in for her military in in help for her military appeal after, um, not military. a her appeal judicial appeals. >> if that was a referendum , >> if that was a referendum, would you rather spend x million on legal aid for shamima begum , on legal aid for shamima begum, the isis bride slash terrorist or helping the valiant ukrainian people fight off putin's ? um, so people fight off putin's? um, so yes, i think that would go down. i think i know what the result would be. yeah. but i think there's probably quite a lot of areas of spending where the question is i do we need question is i mean, do we need to subsidise ballet? >> do we need to subsidise opera? do we need to spend taxpayers cash on subsidising forms of art that very rich people like to go and see? i think would gently suggest perhaps that's an area where we could cut some budgets? >> yes, i think in london we certainly could cut some budgets , some of those budgets that the mayor has control of. for example, the commission of

statues in the public realm , statues in the public realm, diversity and statues or something like this, whatever it is. well, a huge amount of money spent on of these different spent on all of these different things changing the overground lines. >> yeah, that that money could have ukraine. yeah or have gone to ukraine. yeah or even better , we could actually even better, we could actually do some things to grow the economy. so we're not talking about a fixed size of cash with which we can divvy up. but we actually had more cash. wouldn't that perhaps we that be nice? perhaps if we actually some things in actually built some things in this country, maybe if we used our own natural resources a bit more, more more, then we'd have more cash and questions would be and these questions would be less have. less painful to have. >> i think it's because people don't direct of don't see the direct benefit of the going to ukraine. but the money going to ukraine. but let's because isis let's move on, because the isis bride, shamima has lost bride, shamima begum, has lost her appeal to have her british citizenship reinstated. and that was revoked was after it was revoked in february 2019. yeah. >> of appeal ruling >> the court of appeal ruling means remains in syria means that she remains in syria with no chance returning to the uk. shamima begum, solicitor daniel furner has promised her in the government that they are not going to stop the fighting until justice and until until she gets justice and until she's safely back home.

>> sounds a bit of a threat to me. let's get more on this now with gb news reporter charlie peters. so charlie, she's lost this appeal. but this may not be the end of it. well, it was a three nil unanimous decision by the court of appeal, who rejected all five grounds of shamima begum's legal case and while her solicitors say that they will keep fighting, and that likely means an attempt to go to the supreme court, that could take another year. >> which means have you been talking about tom? more legal aid, but also whether or not the supreme this case supreme court will see this case is still yet to be considered , is still yet to be considered, because there was no wiggle room in that unanimous decision given today. all of those proposals rejected even the feeling that sajid javid's decision in 2019 would have left her de facto stateless because the state of bangladesh did not want to take her in. and if they did, they have the death penalty on the books. for those who join terror groups and this view that groups and also this view that she potentially had been

trafficked the supreme trafficked and the supreme immigration appeals court had not taken that into account . so not taken that into account. so what can she do now? what can her team do now? well, many people i've been speaking to today who have been following this case and counter extremism analysts suggest that this could now into a sort of hearts now turn into a sort of hearts and minds where having and minds operation where having failed in the legal mission, they now seek to win the moral argument, proposing that shamima begum has been abandoned in syria and that britain has a moral duty to recover her and see her, make her see any justice she might need to receive, but also to rehouse her. there are at least a dozen more isis brides with british nationality in the al—hol or al—roj camps in northeastern syria. some of them have also lost their citizenship, but those activists who have been engaged with those isis brides do maintain that britain needs to take them back. but how easy is it going to be to win over

the hearts and minds of the british people? after shamima begum made so many outrageous statements in 2019, when she was first interviewed? let's not forget that she said she wasn't fazed when she saw a severed . fazed when she saw a severed. headin fazed when she saw a severed. head in a bin, saying that that head could have belonged to an enemy of islam, and she also said that the yazidi girls, the kurdish sect of islam, those people had been treated as appropriately because other people belonging to shamima, his own persuasion of islam, had been mistreated in iraq . she been mistreated in iraq. she also said that the victims of the manchester arena bombing were dealt with as retaliation for western efforts in iraq and syria. quite frankly, many say that she has said too much for any successful moral argument to now be one. >> it's extraordinary . >> it's extraordinary. >> it's extraordinary. >> we're supposed to believe she's a changed woman, though. she's had this she's been doing these interviews with british press. she dresses differently. >> she straight into her.

>> she straight into her. >> she straight into her. >> she said sunglasses even . um, >> she said sunglasses even. um, but clearly the judges aren't buying it. um one person, one person. >> charlie wrote in to us a little bit earlier saying perhaps all she needs to do is convert to christianity and she'll just be let in. i don't know, um, well, that's what the appeals process, it's, you know, hundreds of people have already made it back. >> foreign fighters >> hundreds of foreign fighters have since have returned to britain since 2014, caliphate started 2014, when the caliphate started to attacked by that western to be attacked by that western led coalition. the only reason many say , that shamima begum is many say, that shamima begum is in the spotlight because she in the spotlight is because she didn't , you know, recount her didn't, you know, recount her views when was first views when she was first challenged journalists. she challenged by journalists. she went defend the actions of went to defend the actions of isis for some time , and it only isis for some time, and it only took until 2021, when the launch of that pr campaign occurred . of that pr campaign occurred. like you said, emily, she shed the niqab in exchange for western clothes , started to wrap western clothes, started to wrap herself in the union flag. you might recall those plush cushions in the background of one interview, which had the union flag on them. it was only then that she started to say that she regretted joining the islamist death cult. when it was

ravaging through the middle east and particular iraq and syria. so to now say that she regrets it, and she needs to come home. well, many just aren't buying it. and at the same time, many counter—extremism and counter—terror experts are saying that all too often the issue of isis brides is swept under the carpet. people assume that because they're women , that because they're women, they're safe. well, there has been a changing role of women in several islamist terrorist organisations , with more of them organisations, with more of them engaging in suicide bombings. beyond just the recruitment and financial phase, as has often been the case in recent decades , been the case in recent decades, an allegation was made soon after shamima begum was discovered in 2019 that she'd actually stitched a suicide vest onto an isis terrorist. she denies that allegation, but it does reflect the changing role of women in terrorist organisations and the changing approaches that security organisations are having towards them. >> absolutely. thank you very much indeed, charlie peters. there our reporter. it's interesting, isn't it,

there our reporter. it's interesting, isn't it , because, interesting, isn't it, because, you know, talk about feminism and but not when it comes to her agency. apparently she's a victim. she's been groomed . she victim. she's been groomed. she didn't know what she was doing. what happened to her women knowing their own minds? a. well, absolutely. knowing their own minds? a. weiyou jsolutely. knowing their own minds? a. weiyou raise:ely. knowing their own minds? a. weiyou raise:elfantastically >> you raise a fantastically important point if you're saying that somehow shamima has no agency, but the men who went off to fight do. you're nothing but a foul sexist. >> well, exactly. there you go . >> well, exactly. there you go. and all these human rights groups are on her side who groups who are on her side who who think she's the in who think she's the victim in all of i think you know, all of this. i think you know, you're sexist. you're sexist. this woman clearly knew what she was doing though she was was doing even though she was 15, on 16. but you might 15, going on 16. but you might feel differently. maybe you want her to to jail in this her to go to jail in this country. but coming up, yes. >> history made as america lands its first spacecraft on the moon since 1972. this this from a private mission this time. more on that after the break. >> this really gets tom going .

and the pipes to bring it to our houses. >> you're listening to gb news. >> you're listening to gb news. >> well, we've got some views coming in on shamima, peter says shamima should never be allowed to return to the uk in the interests of national security and also natural justice. nor should further appeals be funded by the british taxpayer. that sounds a whole lot like common sense. >> simon says. i believe that legal aid should be a right for british citizens only. therefore she should not be entitled . in she should not be entitled. in addition to all these asylum seekers should legal seekers should be denied legal aid to um. it's interesting , aid to um. it's interesting, though, because she was she had her british citizenship removed . her british citizenship removed. then she wanted to appeal that. it's sort of a grey area in between. if she's if, if only british citizenship citizens could get legal aid , is that could get legal aid, is that then a get out clause for the government if they want to go

after anyone without legal aid, they could just say you're not a citizen anymore. >> i think, um, i think there would be quite a few lawyers who would be quite a few lawyers who would pro bono. would do it pro bono. >> yeah, well, i think this is this is it's such a high profile, high profile case. >> she's been made something of a is the thing. >> perhaps there should be a rule. if there are x number of newspaper articles written about you and your case if if you and your case if you if you have level of have reached a certain level of fame, you probably shouldn't get taxpayer support in defence taxpayer support in your defence because that because you could make that money could become because you could make that moinstagram could become because you could make that moinstagram influencer,.d become because you could make that moinstagram influencer, sinnerme an instagram influencer, sinner and loads of money. and make loads of money. >> frank, it's >> i mean, let's be frank, it's an liberty. it does an absolute liberty. it does make a mockery of our generosity. i think perhaps i let us know what you um, but let us know what you do. um, but we've news from last we've got some news from last night. actually, a merica landed its first spacecraft on the moon since 1972. how many years ago was that ? was that? >> that's over 50 years ago. it is 52 years ago, actually. the last time man landed on the moon was that apollo landing. that american december american landing was december 1972. that's before britain joined the eec . that's that long joined the eec. that's that long

ago. >> right. well, let's find out more from our brilliant guest, andy lound , who is space and andy lound, who is space and planetary scientist. thank you very much indeed. is this particularly momentous ? particularly momentous? >> good afternoon. thank you for having me . yes, it is, because having me. yes, it is, because americans have got something on the surface of the moon again. um, it isn't that they haven't done any work on the moon. they've sent orbiters around the moon and concentrate mapping moon and concentrate on mapping the . uh, in exceptional the moon. uh, in exceptional detail before they've gone back to land the surface . but this to land on the surface. but this is a big moment for them, partly because the americans are back on surface of the moon. uh on the surface of the moon. uh partly is private partly because this is a private company this is the first company. this is the first private to successfully private company to successfully land something on the moon. there been a couple of there have been a couple of attempts which sadly have failed, has been very failed, but this has been very successful, with a nerve successful, albeit with a nerve wracking moment when there the radar failed on the vehicle, so it looked as if it wasn't going to do it. but by a fluke, nasa had got some, um, leader on board, which is again a

rangefinding device , uh, to test rangefinding device, uh, to test it. and they're able to use that instead to help get it onto the surface. so it all worked out in the end and managed to get a soft landing in the southern polar region. this is actually close to the south pole than the indian lander. so again, it's a it's a that in itself is a fantastic achievement . but um, fantastic achievement. but um, so this is a big moment for the future exploration of the moon. it's a huge, huge moment. >> and perhaps what's significant about this is that it's not a nasa mission . i mean, it's not a nasa mission. i mean, nasa has been involved to some extent, but obviously it's these private companies coming together, uh, intuitive of, uh, an and their, their technology, but also spacex it is this is what's really this is the, this is where the west has changed. >> i mean we're still seeing in the east, like china and russia, we're still seeing it being very much state sponsored missions. the west has gone beyond that now because private companies have the technology to develop

up, and they can use that technology for themselves or for other purposes . the advantage other purposes. the advantage also they have is they actually can do things much more rapidly without the bureaucracy of a state system, which i think you've seen this with spacex. so spacex have just jumped leaps and bounds with their technology. and course , this technology. and of course, this is to make the missions is going to make the missions cheaper state, because cheaper for the state, because if state wants to send if the state wants to send things to the moon, they don't have to worry. now about all that infrastructure that they need to put together. they can actually let a private actually just let a private company deal with them very quickly. >> how long until back >> andy, how long until man back on moon? on the moon? >> i think we'll probably see a man on the moon before man landing on the moon before 2030, maybe 20, 26, 27. we'll see a human being landing on the surface of the moon. wow. >> well, we'll have to speak to you again in 2026 and 27 to checkif you again in 2026 and 27 to check if it's still then to thank you very much. yes. and hopefully before then too. hopefully more hopefully there's more space exploration. lound exploration. that was andy lound space planetary scientist space and planetary scientist and expert on all of these

things. i used to want to be an astronaut. >> did you? yeah, could still be. but martin, what's coming up in so number 10 has in your show? so number 10 has dramatically rowed in and backed gb news. >> the police should have removed that shameful projector putting those anti—semitic messages onto big ben. we'll have all the latest on that. plus, shamima begum loses her right to appeal. do you care? are we experiencing an islamist takeover? suella braverman. right. we'll speak to nigel farage, live from america. plus we'll have lee anderson and mark francois . one heck of a show francois. one heck of a show coming up. make sure you join us. but first, there's your latest weather forecast . latest weather forecast. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb solar sponsors of weather on. gb news. good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather update with me, annie, from the met office. there will be further through further showers through the rest of some sunny spells of the day. some sunny spells too, for all of us it is

too, but for all of us it is feeling cooler than of late. that's as we've got a colder air mass upon us. much colder than we've through the rest of we've seen through the rest of the beginning february . we've the beginning of february. we've got wind as well got a westerly wind as well that's pushing showers, that's been pushing in showers, mainly western areas so far mainly to western areas so far today, but they will into today, but they will push into the evening, the east through the evening, so it will slightly damp it will be a slightly damp evening parts of the evening across parts of the south—east. further west though, and turn and north it should turn a little drier as the night progresses, and for many areas it will be by the morning. it will be dry by the morning. however, going much however, it's going to be much colder tomorrow colder than recently. tomorrow morning likely see frost morning we'll likely see a frost quite widely. risk of quite widely. also, a risk of ice we have seen any ice where we have seen any showers potential for showers, there's potential for some to develop as some mist and fog to develop as well. that could be slow to clear central areas clear across central areas through saturday morning, but away from should be dry away from that it should be dry and to start the day. and bright to start the day. cloud will bubble up as the day progresses though, and we will see a risk of showers through the afternoon. however, the showers will and showers will be lighter and fewer than on friday, so you've got less of a chance of seeing them. and in any sunshine it won't feel too bad. highs of around or degrees the

around 9 or 10 degrees in the south. there will be another cold start to the day on sunday, but will some more but we will see some more persistent rain spreading in across the south. there is some uncertainty details uncertainty in exact the details of widespread that will be of how widespread that will be across the south. however it does look like it will clear into to give us a fine into monday to give us a fine start new but start to the new week, but further rain will arrive in the nonh further rain will arrive in the north tuesday . that warm north on tuesday. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of weather on .

gb news. away. >> good afternoon and a very happy friday to you. it's 3 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. all across the uk. today after wednesday's protests outside parliament are discussed. suella braverman's

claim that islamists are now in charge of britain and on the same night, pro palestine messages were beamed onto the elizabeth tower. of course , big elizabeth tower. of course, big ben ask a legal expert why the police did nothing and shamefully allowed those images to be projected around the world. plus, we've got a new line from downing street on that. moving on. there's reaction to the news that shamima begum has lost her latest battle to get her british citizenship back. should we care and there's finally some good news for millions of people who are struggling to pay their energy bills. and that's all coming up in your next hour. welcome to the show. it's always a pleasure to have your company. what a dramatic week in politics. it's been. and now it moves on apace. those images i took of that projector, putting those anti—semitic messages onto big ben in the week number 10

has dramatically come out in the