unionist and political commentator andy mcdonnell and also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy in a few moments time i'll be mucking the week with special advisor to michael gove, charlie rowley. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . good latest news headlines. good afternoon . afternoon. >> it's 3:00. i'm theo chikomba in the gb newsroom. the london mayor has accused the prime minister of condoning racism following a senior tory mps comments on protests in the caphal comments on protests in the capital. lee anderson is under for fire saying sadiq khan had given away the capital to islamists following months of demonstrations. labour is calling for the whip to be removed from the former deputy chair, the london mayor says it's important to call out anti—muslim hatred , just like anti—muslim hatred, just like any other form of hatred . any other form of hatred. >> and look, these comments from a senior conservative are islam

phobic, are anti—muslim and are racist. we've seen over the last two days, uh, confirmation on that over the last few months, there's been an increase in anti—muslim cases by more than 330. these comments pour fuel on the fire of anti—muslim hatred. and i'm afraid , the deafening and i'm afraid, the deafening silence from rishi sunak and from the cabinet is them condoning this is racism . condoning this is racism. >> the uk has reaffirmed its commitment to . ukraine, commitment to. ukraine, promising £245 million to produce artillery shells as the country's war with russia enters its third year. the package will boost critical stockpiles of ammunition as the royal air force completes a further delivery of advanced tank busting missiles. the defence secretary says he's proud. he's proud that since the invasion, the uk has trained 60,000

ukrainian troops, adding that no one has done as much for kyiv than the uk. grant shapps says the west will keep going for as long as it takes to fight russian aggression . russian aggression. >> this is a package which will help to provide some of the artillery that's required, particularly on the front line, where russia has really boosted their production levels. so it's massively important now that we stop putin, it's going to cost us more. if he came further, not least, of course , being terrible least, of course, being terrible for the ukrainian friends, but it would also be disastrous for the rest of the west . shadow the rest of the west. shadow defence secretary john healey says the war in ukraine is a global fight. >> i think first to recognise that this isn't just putin fighting on the battlefield in ukraine. this is a diplomatic, economic and industrial struggle against wider russian aggression and we've got to have a broader uk plan to help defend ukraine and defeat putin. so that does

mean tightening sanctions , as mean tightening sanctions, as you say, closing supply chain loopholes and looking to seize the direct the russian assets that have been stolen to reconstructing ukraine. it also means ramping up our military support . meanwhile the king and support. meanwhile the king and queen have praised ukrainians for their true valour . for their true valour. >> king charles says he's greatly encouraged by the efforts of the uk and its allies in support of kyiv at a time of suffering and need. the monarch was khalife across , showing the was khalife across, showing the monarch was paying his respects at a ukrainian catholic cathedral in central london, where crowds gathered to show their support for the country and its people. commemorations began with an interfaith prayer , began with an interfaith prayer, with similar services taking place across the uk . junior place across the uk. junior doctors in england have walked out for the 10th time since march last year over a pay dispute. the british medical

association has asked for a 35% pay association has asked for a 35% pay rise, which the government has described as unreason , while has described as unreason, while more than 1.3 million appointments and operations have already been cancelled or rescheduled since industrial action began. the health secretary, victoria atkins, is calling for the strikes to end , calling for the strikes to end, saying she wants to see doctors treating patients not on picket lines . lines. >> i want for this to be resolved. i've come to these negotiations with nothing but good intentions and a genuine desire to find a reasonable solution for junior doctors, but also, importantly, for patients and the public and the taxpayer. so i still want to try and achieve that, but i can only do that if the junior doctors committee plays their part by walking out of negotiations in november was not reasonable . november was not reasonable. they know that i want to go further . in they know that i want to go further. in addition to the up to 10.3% that they have already received into their bank accounts . and some breaking news

accounts. and some breaking news to bring you, lee anderson has been suspended from the tory party. >> a spokesperson for the chief whip has said following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday, the chief whip has suspended the conservative whip from lee anderson mp . we'll bring you anderson mp. we'll bring you more on this developing story later . that's all we have time later. that's all we have time for. now it's back to . for. now it's back to. nana >> hello. >> hello. >> good afternoon. this is gp news on tv , online and on news on tv, online and on digital radio. it's fast approaching seven minutes after 3:00. i know what you're thinking. her hair is getting bigger. it really is. it's time to mock the week. and what a busy one. it's been. >> well, cancel culture has from the left come full circle now with those doing the cancelling now, the ones scared of being cancelled . this week we saw cancelled. this week we saw

lindsay hoyle , the supposedly lindsay hoyle, the supposedly impartial labour speaker of the house, changed parliamentary procedures to allow a labour question instead of one from the snp , which would have apparently snp, which would have apparently caused a revolt . caused a revolt. >> we have up to 80 labour mps now . how. >> now. >> it was supposed to be the snp's day for debate. >> instead, the speaker , under >> instead, the speaker, under suspected pressure from sir keir starmer, allowed a labour question and this resulted in mutiny of the benches . it's like mutiny of the benches. it's like school , isn't it.7 lindsay school, isn't it.7 lindsay apologised , claiming that he was apologised, claiming that he was worried about the safety of mps given the latest things like the harassment of people like tobias ellwood. but in doing this he also avoided splitting the labour party , of which he is a labour party, of which he is a member . so labour party, of which he is a member. so has politics labour party, of which he is a member . so has politics been member. so has politics been captured by fear.7 >> is this a taste of things to come from labour under starmer, then big news lee anderson this week said islamists have got control of london following a

wave of weekly pro—palestine protests. >> but he later explained he meant that they've got control of khan . sadiq called his of khan. sadiq called his comments islamophobic , comments islamophobic, anti—muslim and racist. >> but these comments from a senior conservative are islamophobic , are anti—muslim islamophobic, are anti—muslim and are racist. we've seen over the last two days, uh, confirmation on that over the last few months, there's been an increase in anti—muslim cases by more than 330. these comments are pour fuel on the fire of anti—muslim hatred. and i'm afraid , the deafening silence afraid, the deafening silence from rishi sunak and from the cabinet is them condoning this is racism . is racism. >> well, of course , as we know >> well, of course, as we know as as since that , uh, particular as as since that, uh, particular interview, lee anderson has been suspended. now, some people would argue that only a small minority that are causing problems and have the right to

protest in the pro—palestinian protest in the pro—palestinian protest and after all, we are a democracy . but others might also democracy. but others might also point to sadiq khan's record as mayor, with ulez being his crowning glory. but what do you think? and finally , price harry. think? and finally, price harry. oh, sorry prince. prince harry's lawyers are, it would appear, defending his case for saying staying in the us . they're staying in the us. they're saying that he has a right to embellishment in his book, 'spare' which suggests that if they are saying this, that he hasn't mentioned his drug taking on his visa forms, we will follow that story with interest . follow that story with interest. it it's been a mucky old week . it it's been a mucky old week. but first, with some breaking news, we bring you lee anderson has been suspended from the tory party after his refusal to apologise for his comments. party after his refusal to apologise for his comments . a apologise for his comments. a spokesperson for chief the chief whip said that following his refusal to apologise for comments that he made yesterday, the chief whip has suspended the conservative whip from lee anderson mp and lee anderson

said following a call with the chief whip i understand the difficult position that i have put both he and the prime minister in with regard to my comments. i fully accept that they had no option but to suspend the whip in these circumstances. however i will continue to support the government's efforts to call out extremism in all its forms, be that anti—semitism , um, or that anti—semitism, um, or islamophobia . well, joining me islamophobia. well, joining me to discuss this is gb news presenter darren grimes. darren wow. >> incredible . >> incredible. >> incredible. >> ah. i mean, lee was going to be on my show a little while ago, but obviously that's that's out of the question now. >> indeed. his, uh, >> indeed. i imagine his, uh, his his phone are his inbox and his phone are blowing the hook. nana. but blowing off the hook. nana. but l, blowing off the hook. nana. but i, absolutely disgusted and i, i'm absolutely disgusted and outraged by what's just happened, to be quite honest with you, i don't think that an extraction of an apology from lee anderson for actually pointing out nana what we've seen on the streets of this capital city. well once beautiful capital city where people are on the streets supporting everyone from hamas

to the houthis and not saying. and then we saw that projection on on ben. remember where on on big ben. remember where that genocidal chant from the river to the sea, which calls for the complete out of the for the complete wipe out of the jews from the middle east? that's been allowed to go ahead under sadiq khan's watch as mayor of london. he's also the police and crime commissioner for london. under that role . and for london. under that role. and has he allowed these things to go ahead? damn right go ahead? yes. you damn right believe he absolutely has . and i believe he absolutely has. and i think to seek an extraction of an apology and to actually allow people to accuse lee anderson of racism is the kind of intimidatory tactics that we've seen since october the 7th. well, right. >> yes. to actually silence dissent and voices on this who are standing up and saying, i want no part in a capital city, my beautiful capital city, that is being corrupt in such a way that these things are allowed to take place on our streets weekend in and weekend out. but he didn't sort of put it like

that, did he? and some people would argue that the way he phrased it sounded like he was being islamophobic. >> so they would argue that actually, he said that sadiq khanis actually, he said that sadiq khan is being controlled in some way, i think sadiq khan is way, but i think sadiq khan is much more clever than that. i think actually knows exactly think actually he knows exactly what doing. this is a man what he's doing. this is a man who press which who appeared on press tv, which is iranian state television, talking about uncle toms and actually i think that is a really racist , divisive sentiment. >> i would say that is what i mean. he has i mean, sadiq khan has called people out for being far right. if they didn't go along with ulez, which thought along with ulez, which i thought was a insult, just was a bit of a insult, just because, it's almost because, you know, it's almost kind down debate by kind of to shut down debate by name kind of to shut down debate by nar exactly. kind of to shut down debate by narexactly. it's kind of to shut down debate by nar exactly. it's so rich of him >> exactly. it's so rich of him to accuse anybody of being divisive because he is the most divisive. basically an divisive. he's basically an entire can of petroleum . you entire can of petroleum. you know, you can throw him on top of a fire and it would go on for weeks. this is and it's just absurd to suggest that anyone other than this man is probably , other than this man is probably, i would argue, the most divisive politician in the country. >> but what about the fact that

they asked lee apologise ? he they asked lee to apologise? he refused to apologise because he may have offended a few people. so sometimes on tv, if i've said something that may have offended a people, even if i don't a few people, even if i don't think but make think it's offensive, but i make sure that my tracks in sure that i cover my tracks in that i think the point is that way, i think the point is here that he didn't apologise . here that he didn't apologise. >> yeah, absolutely. that the >> yeah, absolutely. that is the point. but i don't think actually apologising for everything has ever everything that anyone has ever been offended with will get you very and age, very far in this day and age, because seems an because it seems to be an increasing things that increasing amount of things that people you people are offended by. you know, say , nana, that know, i can say, nana, that i recognise you as a biological woman because just look at you woman because i just look at you and recognise you're a and recognise that you're a woman. some people woman. now, to some people that's in day that's transphobic in this day and age it's getting ridiculous . and age it's getting ridiculous. actually, the extent to which we are seeking these extractions of apologies from people. so i actually respect lee anderson for saying and i've had my disagreements with him recently, especially over the rwanda plan and his reluctance to vote against the government over that, because i don't think it's going to work. i think we're going to work. i think we're going to work. i think we're going to have open borders for

time to come. many years to come, especially if, you know, a certain party gets into power. this later this year and i think it was brave of him to say, look, i'm not going to apologise for it . and think there will for it. and i think there will be viewers and listeners for it. and i think there will be actuallyvers and listeners for it. and i think there will be actually say, and listeners for it. and i think there will be actually say, good steners for it. and i think there will be actually say, good steiyou , who actually say, good for you, i'll pint , who actually say, good for you, i'll pint, because he i'll buy you a pint, because he was kind of referring to alluding to the fact that expect the city be taken over i the city to be taken over by i think lunatics week in, think he's lunatics week in, week out. >> uh, obviously marching week out. >> there»bviously marching week out. >> there , viously marching week out. >> there , there y marching week out. >>there , there will marching week out. >> there , there will be marching week out. >>there , there will be aiarching on there, there will be a proportion of people who are just people calling for peace. and part of this was and i think part of this was that were that that people were offended that he with the he had tarred everybody with the same . same brush. >> but we have seen >> absolutely. but we have seen on these marches, we have seen the police. i don't think being even handed in the way in which they come after certain protests than they do the pro—palestine protests. there was a guy you love. i think you covered it on the show last week. a guy standing with a sign, a placard that said that hamas is a terrorist organisation and it asked yes or no . now he was he

asked yes or no. now he was he had things thrown at him. he was abused and the police just arrested and told that guy backed him off, away from the protest , as if he was the protest, as if he was the problem and not the ones that were throwing things at him and calling him all of the things under the sun. i don't think actually that's even handed equal policing and i think actually it's shown a real intolerance to those who are opposed to what i would deem to be hateful marches. well, well, we saw the protection of from the river to the sea on big ben, which sadiq khan it just in my view, irrespective of who you support or anything , that to support or anything, that to most jewish people is anti—semitic and as i understand, a big insult. >> so what did sadiq khan do it? and it's also illegal. so i don't understand. and i think what leah's pointing out just just in my view, sadiq khan's record on london as well. yes. because that's one of the things that he could have stopped and he didn't exactly. >> let that go ahead? you

>> so who let that go ahead? you know who's the cheese in know who's the top cheese in london? it's the mayor of london? well, it's the mayor of london, so of london, sadiq khan. so all of these got a record these things, he's got a record where you can suggest that actually he's he's probably not someone that is actually genuinely seeking unity in this country . he's someone that i country. he's someone that i remember that fireworks displayed after the black lives matter riots, where he had the fist , the blm fist projected fist, the blm fist projected into the air. now that was that was really, really upsetting to a lot of people up and down the country. it was just immediately after at the start of the first lockdown, which i've gone through first year of under through that first year of under standing. what a lockdown was like, many in like, miserable for so many in the country. and he decided to have that divisive symbol broadcast into the sky for people to see in their capital city, for people to see on their television screens up and down the country. i think that was a deeply divisive thing to do. but it's really, i think, quite in indicative of a man who really loves stirring the pot. >> but but he would argue that

he is simply just, you know, black lives matter. i thought it was a fake organisation. just capitalising on white guilt. that's how i still see large mansions proved that it has. but at the time a lot of the things that it was doing hadn't been exposed. people exposed. and so some people jumped on the bandwagon of support say that support and he would say that that support, support that was a support, his support for anti—racism . for anti—racism. >> would say it's a show of >> he would say it's a show of solidarity , but i think there solidarity, but i think there would be many jewish people in this country who say, well, where's your show of solidarity with me? yeah. where's show with me? yeah. where's your show of with being of solidarity with me being scared out in london at scared to go out in london at the minute with especially on a saturday with hundreds of thousands of people marching in, what to be what i again deemed to be hateful where's hateful marches. so where's actually his solidarity? there. and that's the a genuine question. i think , which can and question. i think, which can and ought to be asked . and i don't ought to be asked. and i don't think it's racist to do so. >> well, listen, darren, thank you very much . you'll be back you very much. you'll be back saturday. five. absolutely >> 7:00 can't wait. lovely >> 7:00 nana can't wait. lovely >> 7:00 nana can't wait. lovely >> see you there. thanks, darren. that's darren grimes. that's are

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commitment. >> it you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. >> so 21 minutes after 3:00. we are the people's channel. this is gb news. i'm nana akua some breaking news. if you've just tuned in. lee anderson has been suspended from the tory party after his refusal to apologise for his comments. after his refusal to apologise for his comments . a spokesperson for his comments. a spokesperson for his comments. a spokesperson for the chief whip said following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday , the chief whip has yesterday, the chief whip has suspended the conservative whip from lee anderson mp lee anderson said following a call with the chief whip. i understand the difficult position that i've put both he and the prime minister in with regard to my comments. i fully

accept that they had no option but to suspend the whip in these circumstances . however, but to suspend the whip in these circumstances. however, i but to suspend the whip in these circumstances . however, i will circumstances. however, i will continue to support the government's efforts to call out extremism in all its forms, be that anti—semitism or islamophobia. well, joining me to discuss this gb news presenter, benjamin butterworth. benjamin. okay. well, i mean, what do you make of this? what are your thoughts? >> i mean, the first thing, it's quite fall from grace for quite the fall from grace for lee who couple lee anderson, who only a couple of ago was vice chair of of weeks ago was vice chair of the conservative party i the conservative party and so i think, that statement think, you know, that statement that read out very that you just read out very much like looks something like looks like something that would by would have been written by conservative officials for would have been written by const01ative officials for would have been written by const01ativ

completely inappropriate. controlled by islamists, was comple'that nappropriate. controlled by islamists, was comple'that butpropriate. controlled by islamists, was comple'that but but riate. controlled by islamists, was comple'that but but that's his >> but that but but that's his view. i mean, he we are all entitled opinion. we entitled to an opinion. we suffer consequence is if we suffer the consequence is if we say something don't like, say something people don't like, but people might share but a lot of people might share that i think some people >> well, i think some people will share the view, but i think it's a view that has these problems of racism entwined . problems of racism entwined. >> isn't >> why? because islam isn't a race, it's a religion. so where is it racist? >> it's racist because you're talking about a group of people who he's been tied to sadiq khan, despite the fact that there is absolutely no indication in his politics at any point that he into any point that he buys into extreme islam . in fact, he has extreme islam. in fact, he has quite regularly been on the receiving end of a huge amount of abuse from people who buy into that version of islam . he into that version of islam. he had a fatwa put on his life when he voted for same sex marriage as a member of parliament. those are his politics all. and are not his politics at all. and so to associate it only so to try to associate it only because he's a muslim, to because he's a muslim, but to call it racist is being islam phobic isn't racist. >> is a religion. it's >> islam is a religion. it's a belief structure in some countries it's a theocratic political regime. in some

countries . so for example saudi countries. so for example saudi arabia, so how is that racist? because i, you know, maybe lee's words could be interpreted and taken out of turn. people can he could apologise for the way it came across. but i don't think that racist. but just that that's racist. but i'm just questioning notion that it's questioning the notion that it's racist. racist is when i'm called the n word or something like that, i'm black and like that, because i'm black and i'm. that's a different we are one race. human but we one race. the human race, but we see as a different race. see that as a different race. how can't if you're how is i can't tell if you're black, white, green whether you support islam or not. black, white, green whether you supwell,slam or not. black, white, green whether you supwell, i am or not. black, white, green whether you supwell, i mean, not. black, white, green whether you supwell, i mean, look, maybe >> well, i mean, look, maybe islamophobic a better word , a islamophobic is a better word, a more word to explain it. more precise word to explain it. >> but then surely lee could complain being called complain at being called a racist. but know what i racist. but you know what i mean. we're going chuck mean. if we're going to chuck out things out slurs to people for things they've then we can at they've done, then we can at least be accurate about it. >> think it's >> but i don't think it's a slur. think i think slur. i think i think it's accurate to say what, calling him think racism, him racist, that i think racism, islamophobia form racism islamophobia is a form of racism , not. but i think , but it's not. but i think i think might be a little think that might be a little pedantry. that he pedantry. the fact is that he was trying this because was trying to say this because he's muslim. he trying to he's a muslim. he was trying to say in hock to all say that he is in hock to all these people with extreme views

and that a completely and that is a completely unreasonable view that we unreasonable view that if we swapped. well, swapped. well, okay, well, let's you know it. >> no, no, no, >> well, no, no, no, hold on though, but why is it then that the protesters the pro palestinian protesters who . many have been chanting who. many have been chanting from the river to the sea, which is anti—semitic, the jewish people have said that, in fact, only other day that was only the other day that was projected ben. is projected on to big ben. how is it khan not step it that sadiq khan did not step in and do something that? in and do something about that? and lots of things. and there are lots of things. i mean, that was big. it was public. it's not like a little thing. the police thing. why would the police just standing it's standing by doing nothing? it's sadiq london, is he sadiq khan's london, why is he not stepping, stepping up. >> the idea that the >> but i think the idea that the mayor of london would be stood outside parliament to make those decisions spot is decisions on the spot is ridiculous. well what? >> of the police. >> he's in charge of the police. he the metropolitan he deals with the metropolitan police. the police. why could he not? the police functionally police are functionally independent, important. >> there >> now, there have been loads of examples anti—semitism and on examples of anti—semitism and on the marches for gaza , there have the marches for gaza, there have been lots of examples of anti—semitism. a massive anti—semitism. that's a massive problem. yes, it is much the problem. yes, it is as much the problem. yes, it is as much the problem for the home secretary as mayor as it is for the mayor of london. it should london. and i think it should tell us something that it is only tell us something that it is onl'but isn't that what isn't

>> but isn't that what isn't that what have been largely positive sadiq khan? that what have been largely posyou sadiq khan? that what have been largely posyou know, sadiq khan? that what have been largely posyou know, sadiq khélots of meetings. >> i'm not so sure they have been. that's a broad. been. i think that's a broad. that's a statement that you can say, but i don't think you could back that up. you're saying that, evidence that, but on what evidence are you jewish you saying that the jewish people happy with sadiq you saying that the jewish peoplewho happy with sadiq you saying that the jewish peoplewho hap let nith sadiq khan, who has let pro—palestinian protests go on week they're week in, week out where they're shouting, to shouting, chanting from the to river sea, jihad the river the sea, jihad and all the other even other things. in fact, even trying jihad , indeed. trying to justify jihad, indeed. >> things are >> and those things are unacceptable. of unacceptable. i'm thinking of there editor the there was an editor of the jewish news who was writing about how thought sadiq khan about how he thought sadiq khan had unreasonably had been unreasonably treated, and them. and that he'd stood up for them. so there's example. so there's an example. >> when did he. >> when did he. >> i'm it was a couple >> i'm not. it was a couple of days to you afterwards. >> that the clip he >> is that the clip where he said, and, um, anti—semitism. then was a freudian slip. >> but look, the fact is that you know, the home secretary's as much responsible those as much responsible for those things. that if you things. i just think that if you were about another were to say this about another racial group, another religious group, that is group, you would know that it is unacceptable. it's only because he is a muslim he facing he is a muslim that he is facing this and this kind of abuse. and actually, you know, issue actually, you know, the issue here leanderjohnson. you say here is leanderjohnson. you say lee about systemic >> but what about systemic racism? i think this more

racism? no, i think this is more than that. i think this is than just that. i think this is more about ali khan's record in london, because really, let's be honest, ulez and all the other things that have gone on under steve khan, he's got the worst record for knife crime. all the things he's spent money on, silly , frivolous things, just to silly, frivolous things, just to appease certain factions of london. and he doesn't really represent real londoners. they're all saying that. why? well, i mean, lee anderson is pointing out another one of his failings. pointing out another one of his failsurely khan has been >> surely sadiq khan has been elected and won elected twice and he's won more votes than any politician in british history because he's directly elected and he's done very in those very well in both those elections. course to elections. and he's on course to be re—elected by a large be re—elected by quite a large margin in may of this year. but that discussion that is reasonable discussion about how democracy works and who gets elected . all those who gets elected. all of those points are valid points you raised are valid criticisms anderson criticisms that if lee anderson had want to put forward, i'm sure lots of other conservatives and londoners and a few million londoners would have nodded along. but to start saying that the muslim mayor is in the pocket mayor of london is in the pocket of extremists is

of islamic extremists is extremely problematic. and i'd say point, which is say one other point, which is that even if you have even if you care about that extremism, as fine to do so, to say as it's fine to do so, to say that they've got powerful politicians like the mayor of london, that they are controlling them, that is dangerous because empowers dangerous because that empowers others. those islamists, yes, but who tells them that? >> that's all well. but >> that's all very well. but but sadiq said similar sadiq khan has said similar things. so for example , with things. so for example, with ulez, he said it's all because of the far right and he claimed it was the far right who were controlling narrative, which controlling the narrative, which is people protesting. is why people were protesting. you i, i if you're going you know, i, i if you're going to step into the arena and speak in that way people will in that way and people will speak in the same speak back to you in the same language, that if language, i just think that if you've some the things you've heard some of the things that khan has said, which that sadiq khan has said, which have actually personally offended i've listened have actually personally of1them, i've listened have actually personally of1them, because i've listened have actually personally of1them, because i'm e listened have actually personally of1them, because i'm supposedly to them, because i'm supposedly part right, according part of the far right, according to some of the things he's really accusing really supposedly accusing people who've behaved in a certain is it certain way of being. why is it that okay to call people that he's okay to call people far right, which a far right, which would, in a sense be racist slur if we're far right, which would, in a sense that racist slur if we're far right, which would, in a sense that way?t slur if we're far right, which would, in a sense that way? iflur if we're far right, which would, in a sense that way? if youf we're far right, which would, in a sense that way? if you knowe far right, which would, in a sense that way? if you know , going that way? if you know, why, is it okay for sadiq khan to because far right

>> because the far right overwhelmingly be but it overwhelmingly be white, but it doesn't not necessarily. doesn't have not necessarily. >> i've been called far right. it's who it's people who voted who wanted, want ulez wanted, who don't want ulez he called far right. that's called far right. but that's fine political discussion. fine in a political discussion. not really . fine in a political discussion. not really. he was in a fine in a political discussion. not really . he was in a speech not really. he was in a speech saying that in the pocket of a racial group or extremist. racial group or of extremist. >> and think that the far >> and i think that the far right extremists. right are extremists. >> take he he's >> let's take a he is he's a hypocrite . sadiq khan is a hypocrite. sadiq khan is a hypocrite. sadiq khan is a hypocrite because he has said things that would be offensive to people like me. for example , to people like me. for example, claiming that people who wanted ulez are far right. there's a long speech where he laid in a load of insults to people, and i just find that, okay, fair just find that, okay, a fair criticism . if you felt that lee criticism. if you felt that lee spoke in a way that may have inched spoke in a way that may have incited some sort you know, incited some sort of, you know, narrative wasn't friendly, narrative that wasn't friendly, but sadiq khan is a hypocrite. >> but that's fine say. i >> but that's fine to say. i don't accept it at all. i think sadiq clearly was a problem with far right people trying take far right people trying to take down those ulez cameras. why are they criminal damage? they far right criminal damage? >> but they're not. why they >> but they're not. why are they far right people? >> are who they >> these are people who they were criminal acts were committing criminal acts when committing when they were committing criminal when they were committing crimina not saying >> i'm not saying that's

acceptable, why are they acceptable, but why are they far right? almost right? because that is almost like racist kind slur. like a racist kind of slur. you're they're you're saying that they're acting racist manner. acting in a racist manner. also calling might to say calling you might want to say all victims, but all far right victims, but i think, i'm laying them think, no, i'm not laying them out i'm that out as victims. i'm saying that the label that he's given them is not not right. like is not not right. just like calling claimed lee calling somebody. he claimed lee lee racist , but where lee is being racist, but where is there is no racism? there because they're cast because they're trying to cast the worst of a group as him, as his responsibility. >> and you know, if people were to talk about about black people for the black people that have committed terrible crimes and cast that onto you, that would be example listen, get be an example of listen, i get it all the time. >> no, no, i get it. listen, i get these these things get these these sort of things all the time. but um, i'm saying my is this, that sadiq my point is this, that sadiq khan something similar my point is this, that sadiq khan so something similar my point is this, that sadiq khan so just�*nething similar my point is this, that sadiq khan so just�*nethingl'mlilar anyway, so ijust find it. i'm afraid sadiq khan is on the receiving end of an enormous amount far hate. amount of far right hate. >> the politician >> this is the politician in britain that has the most serious more than any of serious threats more than any of the in the cabinet, the people in the cabinet, and thatis the people in the cabinet, and that is extraordinary. that's why he has much security, why he has so much security, because far because he gets it from the far right and also from islamic extremists. he gets it from both sides numbers. and

sides in incredible numbers. and i think sadiq khan is standing up to that. and the tory party should stand to that too. should stand up to that too. >> benjamin butler, >> well, benjamin butler, thank you back, you very much. you'll be back, won't 7 pm. don't won't you, at 7:00, 7 pm. don't miss him. right benjamin butterworth news. butterworth here on gb news. this gb news live on tv, this is gb news live on tv, onune this is gb news live on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, more on lee anderson, former deputy chairman. suspension the conservative suspension from the conservative party. first, let's your party. but first, let's get your latest headlines . latest news headlines. >> it's 3:31. i'm theo chikomba in the gb newsroom. lee anderson has been suspended from the tory party for refusing to apologise for saying the london mayor was controlled by islamists. the former deputy chair said that london mayor had given the capital away to islamists following months of demonstrations. sadiq khan says it's important to call out anti—muslim hatred just like any other form of hatred . lee other form of hatred. lee anderson has issued a statement

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anderson said following a call with the chief whip. i understand that they're in a difficult position that i've put them in and he and the prime minister in with regard my minister in with regard to my comments, i fully accept that they had no option but to suspend in the suspend the whip in the circumstances. however, i will continue to support the government's efforts to call out extremism in all its forms, be that anti—semitism or islamophobia. well joining me now is donna mccarthy and also, uh, advisor to michael gove, former adviser to michael gove, charlie rowley. well, i'll start with you, charlie rowley. he has been suspended . um, what are been suspended. um, what are your thoughts? they, you know, there are a few comments. he made one of them that he he said with regard to london and then he kind of expanded out. but he kind of expanded it out. but what thoughts ? what are your thoughts? >> well, i think it's the right thing do. i mean, the party thing to do. i mean, the party has obviously given lee the opportunity to apologise as he didn't that. ithink opportunity to apologise as he didn't that. i think when didn't do that. i think when asked see party, because asked and see the party, because of way which those of the way in which those comments out comments have sort of broken out and caused division within the conservative party, you've had

sajid out for it. sajid javid call him out for it. you've was you've had paul scully, who was a former front runner, to be the conservative party candidates, mayor of london, uh, tweeting earlier today that language earlier on today that language matters the kind matters and it's the kind of language that lee used, language that lee has used, which is, know , blown this which is, you know, blown this thing than what it thing up even more than what it should have been. so i think it's parties acted. >> but but if he's saying that islamists have got control of london talking about london and he's talking about this following the this is obviously following the weekly protests , weekly pro—palestinian protests, um, is he justified in saying that? >> well, i think what lee was clearly trying to do was just to you know, make it clear to people that sometimes, you know, the of london failed, people that sometimes, you know, the the of london failed, people that sometimes, you know, the the of lcinion failed, people that sometimes, you know, the the of lcin londonfailed, people that sometimes, you know, the the of lcin london have , that the police in london have failed , uh, and effectively, failed, uh, and effectively, that , you know, whether it's that, you know, whether it's those pro—palestinian marches that are taking where you that are taking place where you do speech on the do see, uh, hate speech on the streets of london or whether you see this, eco mob that these see this, uh, eco mob that these crackpots that sort of lie in the street, that chain themselves to buildings that deface architecture, that deface our architecture, that you scale the pm's home. these are people that are out of control . control. >> these are extreme measures by

people who should not be doing what they do, and therefore, particularly in london, the mayor has not got a grip on these people. >> he hasn't got a grip on those ideas. >> he hasn't got a grip on those ideas . was. and so lee, i think, ideas. was. and so lee, i think, was , uh, you know, making a nod was, uh, you know, making a nod to that. but the way in which he explained that and the language that he used is obviously something wasn't at something that wasn't at accurate, and he had the opportunity apologise. opportunity to apologise. >> that's why >> he didn't. and that's why he's suspended. >> he didn't. and that's why he"but suspended. >> he didn't. and that's why he"but why suspended. >> he didn't. and that's why he"but why shouldended. >> he didn't. and that's why he"but why should youed. >> he didn't. and that's why he"but why should you apologise >> he didn't. and that's why heyou'revhy should you apologise >> he didn't. and that's why heyou'revhy �*sorry? you apologise if you're not sorry? >> isn't that >> because isn't that disingenuous to say i'm sorry just your job? but, you just to keep your job? but, you know, i you know what he know, i, i you know what he said. i don't know what i think about that. i haven't really got an either way. but the an opinion either way. but the bottom line is, you know, somebody who stands by their beliefs, disagree beliefs, even if you disagree with that what you with them. is that what you really wanted, your politicians? >> disagree >> i completely disagree with the expressed it, the sentiments he expressed it, and i with you that if he and i agree with you that if he still agrees with them, it shows and i agree with you that if he still he 'ees with them, it shows and i agree with you that if he still he is s with them, it shows and i agree with you that if he still he is that h them, it shows and i agree with you that if he still he is that h themwho hows and i agree with you that if he still he is that h themwho he vs and i agree with you that if he still he is that h themwho he is. that he is that shows who he is. i think what we're seeing here is a basically a civil war in the tory party. we've now around 40 or 50 mps who come from the reform ukip brexit wing of the

tory party. and then we've got the one nation tories. and i think what's happening at the moment battle pre the moment is that battle pre the general election, where it looks like and the like they'll fail, and the battle is going on is what will happen the soul of tory happen to the soul of the tory party. will a lee anderson party. will it be a lee anderson party the general party after the general election. or be a one election. or will it be a one nafion election. or will it be a one nation tory like paul scully? that's, what's that's, i think, what's happening. >> you just put it in >> but but if you just put it in the context of where he's talking about these weekly waves of protests, um , of pro—palestine protests, um, and they do take over the streets of london. if we look only this week we had, uh, projections on big, big ben saying, from the to river the sea, which is anti—semitic and sadiq appear sadiq khan didn't appear to instruct police force to do instruct his police force to do anything about it. seeing as it was public. why on earth is was so public. why on earth is he not? is there not an element of lee anderson being justified in saying, i think we need to be very careful about the terms anti—semitic, like you quite rightly about the bandying rightly talk about the bandying about the word racism , mixing it about the word racism, mixing it up, mixing up racism , um, with up, mixing up racism, um, with islamophobia . islamophobia. >> you had a very clear

discussion about that. >> now there's an absolute and the same. >> same. we need be >> the same. we need to be absolutely crucial. >> same differentiation >> the same differentiation needs to apply to differentiating between anti—zionism, is anti—zionism, which is the philosophy that there should be a state imposed on the palestinian people by the jewish sinus and judaism . sinus and judaism. >> there are millions and loads of jews around the world, including many of my friends. we're appalled action of we're appalled by the action of the zionist government in israel. from the to the israel. so from the river to the sea a phrase used by sea is a phrase used by the likud which is a zionist likud party, which is a zionist party where they want from the river to the sea, a jewish, a jewish national, a zionist state. is that perceived as state. why is that perceived as racist and for the palestinian people who lived there for centuries to not say the same? i don't see. so i think we need to be careful. i well, i've actually listened to what you said terms that, and said in terms of that, and i kind of think that actually there crossover with this there is a crossover with this anti—semitism and, and the zionism because and i think the crossover is when you're chanting those things and you're putting them on on big ben, and the jewish people have told you

this anti—semitic , that at this is anti—semitic, that at that you have to that point you have to acknowledge that that is how it's perceived them. it's perceived by them. >> and the difference. so >> and that's the difference. so you some somebody you know, i've had some somebody using which i using the tum coconut, which i find offensive . that find deeply offensive. that person it was person didn't think it was offensive. eyes offensive. and in their eyes it wasn't. if you find wasn't. but if you find something offensive and you are that person who that thing is targeted to you and you see it as racist, which the jewish people do , then the is people do, then the line is crossed. yeah. >> but for palestinian people to hear say they hear the likud party say they want jewish state from want a jewish state from the river sea, and they've river to the sea, and they've lived for centuries. lived for there for centuries. that's offensive to them. lived for there for centuries. thaand ffensive to them. lived for there for centuries. thaand seeinge to them. lived for there for centuries. thaand seeing 20,000,|. lived for there for centuries. thaand seeing 20,000, 20,000 >> and seeing 20,000, 20,000 people dying is offensive to them. but we are talking about projecting that on big ben in the capital city of london where was sadiq khan when that was happening? >> well, i that's >> well, i think that's absolutely the point. you know, we're talking language. we're talking about language. we're lee we're talking about lee anderson's language . anderson's use of the language. she's had be suspended she's had to be suspended because use language. because of his use of language. language projected because of his use of language. languenot projected because of his use of language. languenot just projected because of his use of language. languenot just any 'ojected because of his use of language. languenot just any old ted because of his use of language. languenot just any old public across not just any old public building. house of building. this is the house of commons. is the commons. this is the uk government's where government's institution where it is wording that has been seen as offensive. that should never

have been allowed to happen because stokes tension. and because it stokes tension. and so anything that can be to so anything that can be done to reduce that tension is obviously so anything that can be done to redlnumbertension is obviously so anything that can be done to redlnumbertensthing obviously so anything that can be done to redlnumbertensthing for/iously so anything that can be done to redlnumber tensthing for the sly the number one thing for the mayor. police, mayor. the police, the government across society, government right across society, but particularly in london, where a diverse where there is a diverse community lots of diverse community and lots of diverse communities where a multicultural and so but multicultural nation and so but particularly london, more so particularly in london, more so than anywhere else in the uk. so it's more important when it's even more important when you these divisions to get you see these divisions to get on the mayor on top of that, the mayor systematically has failed in doing seeing doing that. you're seeing protests week protests after protest week after week. know, where after week. you know, where people are, where tensions are rising. so it is vital to get on top of that. the mayor has failed in that, which is why i think lee anderson would agree failed in that, which is why i think but anderson would agree failed in that, which is why i think but you erson would agree failed in that, which is why i think but you can't would agree failed in that, which is why i think but you can't sayrld agree failed in that, which is why i think but you can't say what ree failed in that, which is why i think but you can't say what lee with. but you can't say what lee said, which is why he's been how can a mayor has failed can you say a mayor has failed when he's actually upholding? >> because seeing when >> because we're seeing when he's upholding and upholding the right speech and right for free speech and democratic protest. thousands of those people , including myself, those people, including myself, have been on many of those protests . been peaceful. protests. i've been peaceful. i've behind jewish i've marched behind jewish people what we people calling for what are we calling for? what you calling for? what are you calling for? what are you calling of the calling for? the end of the slaughter babies and children

slaughter of babies and children in gaza, 20,000. >> are you also calling? are you also calling for the release of the hostages? course. are the hostages? of course. are you? yeah. well, so. so we you? yeah yeah. well, so. so we want to see a lot of that though. >> what the call, the call. >> what the call, the call. >> for example, when the snp motion in, in parliament that labour spiked called for the release of the hostages, called for a cessation of of the for a cessation of the of the slaughter and a political negotiation . we can't continue. negotiation. we can't continue. i'm irish. we've solved for decades slaughter in northern ireland. and what happened in the end? we negotiated a peace between the extremists. >> it depends whether the extremes negotiate extremes want to negotiate with you i know nobody wants to you and i know nobody wants to see slaughter. so that's an obvious thing to and we all obvious thing to say. and we all agree however, we do agree with that. however, we do know that in hamas covenant and it's our article seven, it said that it wanted to kill all jews. no, does, it does. >> it says it wants to replace it wants to get rid of the it with wants to get rid of the jewish and that's jewish state. no, no. and that's really important. >> no, no, really >> no, no, no, that's really important. on. it important. no. hold on. it doesn't . and in fact, doesn't it doesn't. and in fact, i will get you and i'll read you that it says if you see

that article. it says if you see a jew behind a tree, it says kill him. it says that in the covenant. know this because covenant. i know this because i hang no. well, if hang on oracle. no. well, if it's historical. no, hasn't it's historical. no, it hasn't changed. just like the ira hasn't changed. i'm sorry. >> i think we should. do you >> and i think we should. do you think palestinian people think the palestinian people should negotiate? >> changed. >> sorry. it hasn't changed. i'll be straight you. >> sorry. it hasn't changed. i'lhasn't)e straight you. >> sorry. it hasn't changed. i'lhasn't changed|t you. >> sorry. it hasn't changed. i'lhasn't changed because»u. >> sorry. it hasn't changed. i'lhasn't changed because we've it hasn't changed because we've heard they . they've heard that if they. they've actually they'll do actually said they'll do october. seventh again. actually said they'll do octob but. seventh again. yeah, but. >> but what the what the zionists are doing. >> but what the what the zi0|we; are doing. >> but what the what the zi0|we will doing. >> but what the what the zi0|we will carry}. >> but what the what the zi0|we will carry on. listen >> we will carry on. but listen joining now chief joining me now is chief political correspondent katherine forster. she's live from spring rally . from the reform uk spring rally. catherine, very much catherine, thank you very much for me. it's all it's forjoining me. it's all it's all kicking off here. but what's happening in terms of the happening there in terms of the rally and are they are they actually mentioning what's happened lee anderson? happened with lee anderson? i'm wondering . wondering. >> yes, indeed. it was just about half an hour ago or so, wasn't it, that we got the news that, um, rishi sunak has withdrawn the whip from lee anderson ? i've been here at anderson? i've been here at doncaster racecourse all day where reform have been having their spring conference. it's

their spring conference. it's their biggest yet. they've got 30 pages of draft proposals, um, and they're on very good form. i'm joined now by the leader , i'm joined now by the leader, richard tice. richard thank you very much for talking to us on gb news news again. first, can i ask you and lee anderson said you once asked him to come over to reform before, um, he's just lost the conservative whip. would you like to issue that invitation? >> i don't know what's going on in the tory party, and frankly, i don't care. they're toxic. they're infighting. who knows what for? they've what they stand for? they've broken britain. i've just finished speech . when i've set finished a speech. when i've set out going save out how we're going to save britain, for britain, and we're ready for a general whenever it general election. whenever it is. this week that is. i've heard this week that they even bring it forward they might even bring it forward to panicking to may. sunak is panicking as he sinks below the waves. i'm not interested in pathetic tory squabbling. what i'm interested in is our policies , the contract in is our policies, the contract that we've put forward today actually is the essential u—turn we've got to do literally to save britain from going bust, essentially from both morally ,

essentially from both morally, financially and culturally . we financially and culturally. we are at an existential threat in the state of our country. so i said, and i've just literally come off stage, i said, bring it on.the come off stage, i said, bring it on. the sooner the election is, the better. people want. we want rid of the tories. we're sick of them. we're sick of this ridiculous infighting. we want an election. we want to put our case to the british people, and we're going to get a fantastic hearing. i know it, i can sense it. we're ready for it. >> you were talking a lot about immigration in that speech. you were about the were also talking about the pro—palestinian marchers and people not feeling safe. can you just give us a flavour of your views on these marches? what should happen ? have they gone should happen? have they gone too far and why? the police did not stop that projection of from the river to the sea the other day , going on to big ben, the day, going on to big ben, the police's behaviour has been absolutely disgraceful . absolutely disgraceful. >> frankly, sir mark rowley should resign. the man is incompetent . should resign. the man is incompetent. he's weak, he's gutless. i was the first one to call out that these marches

would incite hate, violence and anti semitism. i called that out in the first week after the horrific october seventh attacks, and i've been proven sadly, completely right. if you leave a vacuum then evil will prevail and that is what is happening. i've been into some of these marches. i've asked them, for example, whether they want the hostages to be released, whether they condemn that terror group, hamas, whether they condemn october 7th. i shouted at, i get 7th. i get shouted at, i get abused. it's vile. they ramp up the music. these people are not who they're part of who we are. they're not part of the british culture. and we've got up against got to stand up against it. otherwise, under otherwise, democracy is under threat. the reason the police didn't get rid of that projector on that evening was because they were afraid. they were afraid of the extreme islamism , islamist the extreme islamism, islamist activists that are now essentially trying to undermine fine british democracy. it's never been more serious. mps are terrified . and the speaker broke terrified. and the speaker broke convention because he's terrified. this is unbelievable.

in our country. what's going on in rochdale , where our candidate in rochdale, where our candidate was not allowed to speak at an open hustings in a council building? this is really serious stuff. everybody needs to wake up and understand where we are. i think the british people are furious. i'm furious and it's got to change, but it requires leadership and there's none of that in this gutless tory party >> talking about rochdale . well, >> talking about rochdale. well, george galloway is currently the bookies favourite . you've got bookies favourite. you've got your candidate simon danczuk , your candidate simon danczuk, who used to represent rochdale as a labour mp. do you feel confident that you can take that seat? because in the coming general election you're likely to get a lot of votes that probably won't translate into seats, though, will it? >> well, at first, past the post is brutal system for smaller is a brutal system for smaller parties. polling third parties. we're polling third largest. going and largest. we're going up more and more excited more people are getting excited by message look, not by our message. look, we're not complacent in any way in rochdale. we're working credibly hard right until the finish . who hard right until the finish. who knows will happen. but knows what will happen. but simon danchuk, he's known simon danchuk, he's well known in the agency. he understands

the constituency and he is campaigning for rochdale , not campaigning for rochdale, not for gaza. and that's why i think he's going to do incredibly well and we're all behind him. there were big cheers when you said that there is no mandate for mass immigration, and brexit was supposed to bring control of our borders, wasn't it ? borders, wasn't it? >> what's gone wrong? >> what's gone wrong? >> very simple that the government of the day, the conservative party, they promised to take back control of our borders and they actually deliberately exactly the deliberately did exactly the opposite. our opposite. they've opened our borders with completely borders with a completely hopeless visa system, and the net result is that we've had mass immigration. look, if you have a if you have a vote on something, democratic consent and people have voted for that, that's where we are. but people voted actually for the opposite. and let down by and so we've been let down by them. been betrayed . and them. we've been betrayed. and unfortunately , that's not what unfortunately, that's not what the british people want . and the british people want. and mass immigration is depressing british wages and i think we want smart immigration where

actually it works for everybody, where people integrate , they're where people integrate, they're absorbed into communities. hi value, high skills, high value add above the average national salary. that can be brilliant for our country. but if you have mass , low skilled immigration, mass, low skilled immigration, then actually you you reduce value. you depress british wages. that's what big business. they're sort of addicted to this cocaine of cheap, low skilled immigration. it's a it's a disaster for our economy. it's also it's not good for the british culture. and i think we want everybody should sign up to and empathise and, and be a part of who we are. that great, unique , very special british culture. >> you're pledging a lot of things which will be massively appealing to voters. huge tax cuts and how on earth, though, would you actually afford this? i mean, it makes liz truss's , i mean, it makes liz truss's, uh, measures that she brought in look quite restrained. >> but that's the difference, you see, in this contract that we put today, set out we put out today, we set out where all the savings are and

we've got almost £150 billion worth of savings for example, if you scrap net zero, that's at least 30 billion every year for the next 25 years. if the bank of england stopped paying interest on all the printed money, which is currently costing 35 billion a year, that's a voluntary decision which grossly negligent . which is grossly negligent. those things alone is 65 those two things alone is 65 billion. if all of the spending managers, they've got to save £5 and 100, which many of us in our home budgets our small home budgets and our small businesses, doing businesses, we're all doing the same. don't that , same. if you don't do that, you're fired. that's what we do in business. you had £115 billion. what truss failed to do was set aside how you're was to set aside how you're going pay it. we've going to pay for it. we've clearly laid this out today in some numbers. we've some of these numbers. we've actually really quite actually been really quite concerned particularly concerned lviv, particularly on the net so the madness of net zero. so those are the savings on one side of the equation. and then we set out where you should invest savings of we set out where you should invecuts savings of we set out where you should invecuts for savings of we set out where you should invecuts for individuals of we set out where you should invecuts for individuals , of we set out where you should invecuts for individuals , for of tax cuts for individuals, for businesses. so you get some growth in economy. remember growth in the economy. remember we're recession and we're now in recession and nobody else has got a plan for growth like have. and then

growth like we have. and then you've to invest them. for you've got to invest them. for example, with these savings we've to get to zero we've got a plan to get to zero waiting in just years, waiting lists in just two years, investing £17 billion investing additional £17 billion investing additional £17 billion in health care but not giving it to the incompetent managers running the nhs. so it's a serious plan . i would urge serious plan. i would urge everybody download it from the website, take a serious look . website, take a serious look. we've done it deliberately in draft. it's a very different, businesslike approach. we want comments, what people like, what they think they dislike, what you think we've and if we've forgotten. and look, if there's corrections fine. there's corrections there, fine. thank very none of us thank you very much. none of us are we welcome that. are perfect. we welcome that. we're business like approach are perfect. we welcome that. wethis business like approach are perfect. we welcome that. wethis .business like approach to this. >> richard tice. thank you very much indeed for speaking to us today on gb appreciate today on gb news. i appreciate it. you so back to you in it. thank you so back to you in the studio . um, a really the studio. um, a really positive mood here. the conservative party, obviously in difficult waters, labour having a tough time as well. reform pretty happy here today. >> thank you. catherine. right so the candidates standing in the rochdale by—election as ali labour mark coleman independent simon danczuk reform uk ian

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latest news headlines. nana >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. >> your top stories from the gb news room. lee anderson has been suspended the tory party suspended from the tory party that comes the former that comes after the former deputy chair said london deputy chair said the london mayor given the capital away mayor had given the capital away and controlled by islamists. and was controlled by islamists. the prime minister was under pressure to react after sadiq khan said deafening . silence khan said his deafening. silence was condoning racism . was condoning racism. >> a spokesperson for the party's chief whip says the mp was suspended for refusing to apologise for his comments. >> in a statement, apologise for his comments. >> in a statement , lee anderson >> in a statement, lee anderson said i fully accept that they had no option but to suspend the whip in these circumstance . whip in these circumstance. however, i will continue to support the government's efforts to call out extremism in all its forms, be that anti—semitism or islamophobia . islamophobia. >> the uk has reaffirmed its commitment to ukraine as the country's war with russia enters its third year, £245 million has been promised to boost critical

stockpiles of ammunition. >> the defence secretary says he's proud that since the invasion, the uk has trained 60,000 ukrainian troops, adding that no one has done as much for kyiv than the uk. grant shapps says the west will keep going for as long as it takes to fight russian aggression. >> this is a package which will help to provide some of the artillery that's required , artillery that's required, particularly front line particularly on the front line where has really boosted where russia has really boosted their production levels. so it's massively important now. but we stop putin. it's going to cost us more. if he came further and not least, of course, being terrible for our ukrainian friends, but it would also be disastrous for the rest of the west . west. >> well, shadow defence secretary john healey says the war in ukraine is a global fight i >>i -- >> i think m hm >> i think first to recognise that this isn't just putin fighting on the battlefield in ukraine. this is a diplomatic , ukraine. this is a diplomatic, economic and industrial struggle against wider russian aggression. and we've got to have a broader uk plan to help

defend ukraine and defeat putin. so that does mean tightening sanctions, as you say, closing supply chain loopholes and looking to seize the direct the russian assets that have been stolen to reconstructing ukraine. it also means ramping up our military support. >> meanwhile, the . king and >> meanwhile, the. king and queen have praised ukrainians for their true valour. king charles also says he's greatly encouraged by the efforts of the uk and allies in supporting uk and its allies in supporting kyiv of suffering kyiv at a time of suffering in need. kyiv at a time of suffering in need . although he spoke of need. although he spoke of shoring . the monarch was paying shoring. the monarch was paying his respects at a ukrainian cathedral in central london, where crowds later gathered to show their support for the country and its people . country and its people. commemorations began with an interfaith prayer and similar service . masses have been held service. masses have been held across the country . junior across the country. junior doctors in england have walked

out for the 10th time since march last year. over a dispute over pay, the british medical association has asked for a 35% pay association has asked for a 35% pay rise, which the government says is unreasonable . more than says is unreasonable. more than 1.3 million appointments and operations have already been cancelled or rescheduled since industrial action began . the industrial action began. the health secretary, victoria atkins , is calling for the atkins, is calling for the strikes to end , saying she wants strikes to end, saying she wants to see doctors treating patients not on picket lines . not on picket lines. >> i want for this to be resolved . i've come to these resolved. i've come to these negotiations with nothing but good intentions and a genuine desire to find a reasonable solution for junior doctors, but also, importantly, for patients and the public and the taxpayer. so i still want to try and achieve that, but i can only do that if the junior doctors committee plays their part. walking out of negotiations in november was not reasonable. they know that i want to go further in addition to the up . further in addition to the up. to 10.3% that they have already received into their bank

accounts , thousand of cards of accounts, thousand of cards of support have been sent to king charles following his cancer diagnosis . diagnosis. >> this, the monarch laughed as he read one of them, which had a disgruntled dog on the front, saying at least you don't have to wear a cone around 7000 cars have sent from around the have been sent from around the world their good world offering their good wishes, with one child writing never give up, be brave, don't push your limits. never give up, be brave, don't push your limits . others shared push your limits. others shared their own experiences of cancer, urging the king to stay positive . and the british airways has been rated as one of the worst airlines for passenger satisfaction . a survey by satisfaction. a survey by consumer group, which says the airline had the joint third lowest score for long haul flights. ba also received two out of five stars for boarding experience and value for money, but managed to achieve three stars for other six categories. the company says it was hit by several factors outside its control last year, such as industrial strikes by air traffic controllers . for the

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but to suspend the whip in these circumstances. however, i but to suspend the whip in these circumstances . however, i will circumstances. however, i will continue to support the government's efforts to call out extremism in all its forms, be that anti—semitism or islamophobia. well joining me now is the former labour party spokesperson, james matthewson james. were the conservative party right in their actions to suspend him ? suspend him? >> yes, the word entirely correct. >> and it's actually quite a reassuring thing to see from the tory party because they've let lee anderson get away with far too much to date. >> and i think many of them will probably been waiting for >> and i think many of them will probmoment, been waiting for >> and i think many of them will probmoment, because|iting for >> and i think many of them will probmoment, because it ng for >> and i think many of them will probmoment, because it wasor >> and i think many of them will probmoment, because it was just this moment, because it was just a time. for those of a matter of time. for those of us anderson, us who've known lee anderson, i mean, was in the mean, remember he was in the labour previously. he's labour party previously. he's only a tory for six years. only been a tory for six years. >> us who've had the >> those of us who've had the misfortune knowing lee misfortune of knowing of lee anderson years, anderson for a number of years, we know that it was only a matter of before he crossed matter of time before he crossed a said like a line, said something like this, back on. >> yeah , but you see, this is >> yeah, but you see, this is the thing. >> um, he he is the thing that people have said with lee anderson is that he often says the things that a lot of the

pubuc the things that a lot of the public are thinking, but are too scared to say, hey, um, is there an argument the fact that he an argument for the fact that he is saying things a lot is saying some things that a lot of feel and was what he of people feel and was what he said in islamophobic? i mean, are they truly sentiments of islamophobia or or is there some level of truth in anything that he said ? he said? >> no. what he said was islamophobic. >> um, islamophobe is a form of racism. so i believe what he said is actually racist. um he knows what he's doing. politicians their stock and trade language . this is trade is language. this is language it's selected and language and it's selected and it's careful language. and he's doneit it's careful language. and he's done it for a very particular reason. that reason is because sadiq khan is a muslim. if sadiq khan a muslim, he khan wasn't a muslim, he wouldn't said said. wouldn't have said what he said. and how clear it and that's that's how clear it is. that simple. is. and it's that simple. and you anderson, hold you know, lee anderson, no hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. >> i'm just gonna pull you up on that think he said it. that because i think he said it. and mean, you you're and i mean, you know, you're saying sadiq khan's saying it's because sadiq khan's muslim. really muslim. i think he's really saying you ignore the saying it. if you ignore the fact that khan's muslim. fact that sadiq khan's a muslim. but at the fact that but you look at the fact that there's been weekly

pro—palestinian the pro—palestinian protests on the streets , weekly in london and streets, weekly in london and the other day somebody projected something the river to the something from the river to the sea and things that that sea and things like that that are to jewish are deeply offensive to jewish people. ignore the fact people. if you ignore the fact that khan is muslim and that sadiq khan is a muslim and just things and lots just take those things and lots of are afraid leaving of mps are afraid of leaving their house, you what their house, you saw what happened with ellwood and happened with tobias ellwood and those , you those people were mainly, you know, if they're pro—palestinian. the religion there is usually islam could it not have been could, you know , not have been could, you know, looking at those factors , is looking at those factors, is that not a way of looking at it? >> i mean, lee anderson might argue that, but i can't imagine anybody else doing so because why would we ignore the fact that he. >> khan's a muslim ? >> khan's a muslim? >> khan's a muslim? >> well, but that but that might. but that's not point. might. but that's not the point. is point is, he would is it? the point is, he would say of things say that all of these things that have happened most of the people within these, these, these things are followers of islam. he is saying that, islam. so he is saying that, i mean, i'm not justifying him. i'm just putting to you a reverse perspective, one that you may not have looked at or one explain lee's

one that may explain lee's position, but what what he said is obviously twofold . is obviously twofold. >> he said that islamists control the city and control sadiq khan . sadiq khan. >> and then he said it city. >> and then he said it city. >> khan's mate, he's used the word mate. yeah, and sadiq khan is a follower of islam. so, i mean, it's pretty clear. >> well, not well, he might not have been saying mates as in mates. might have been mates. he might have been saying, as with the ppe issue as well, think, well, let me well, if you think, well, let me finish . i well, if you think, well, let me finish. i mean well, if you think, well, let me finish . i mean just finish. i mean you're just laughing. the ppe laughing. but with the ppe issue, on with the ppe issue, you hang on with the ppe issue. it lots of people issue. um, it was lots of people were saying that the tories were handing things out to their mates. mates might not mates. their mates might not have they have been tories, but they may well been mates, well have been their mates, people they've deals people who they've got deals with was going on with or whatever was going on there. what i'm there. so that's what i'm saying. saying that he saying. i'm just saying that he use the word that could be looked go on. he used looked at. sorry. go on. he used the islamist mates with the word islamist and mates with regard and probably the word islamist and mates with regtmost and probably the word islamist and mates with regtmost prominent and probably the word islamist and mates with regtmost prominent muslim)ably the most prominent muslim politician who receives the most islamophobic on regular islamophobic abuse on a regular bafis islamophobic abuse on a regular basis , uh, you know, politician basis, uh, you know, politician in the country. >> and, i mean, we know those of, lee, those us of, you know, lee, those of us who've lee anderson, who've experienced lee anderson, this . this is a man

this is a chance. this is a man who let's not forget when he stood for election to be mp, stood for election to be an mp, he got his to lie on the he got his mate to lie on the doorstep he didn't doorstep to pretend he didn't know caught by know him, was caught out by michael doing yes michael crick doing so. yes guy's chancer. like the tory guy's a chancer. like the tory party probably been waiting party have probably been waiting for chance to them out. for a chance to put them out. you the labour you know, the labour party was long him. tory party long shot of him. the tory party be and he can go and be long shot and he can go and join truss, over in join liz truss, uh, over in america and rant about muslims as he wants now. and as much as he wants now. and that's probably what he's wanted as much as he wants now. and tha some»bably what he's wanted as much as he wants now. and tha some»bably butit he's wanted as much as he wants now. and tha some»bably but you 's wanted as much as he wants now. and tha some»bably but you know, ted for some time. but you know, understand that be booted understand that he'll be booted out the next election by the out at the next election by the labour party anyway. well out at the next election by the labour he rty anyway. well out at the next election by the labour he rty a|that y. well out at the next election by the labour he rty a|that he ilell out at the next election by the labour he rty a|that he will listen, he said that he will continue the continue to support the government's efforts to call out extremism its forms, be extremism in all its forms, be that anti—semitism and islamophobia . islamophobia. >> yeah. um, look, you know, i his words are clumsy. i would give him that for sure. but he again, the point hang on, the point i'm making is that how he feels? may well be the view of a lot of people. and it feels as though, i think, for some people that whatever you say, even if you didn't mean it that way, people will call it out as that.

so silences people. that's my so it silences people. that's my point with it. >> i understand the point . i >> i understand the point. i don't with it, and i don't don't agree with it, and i don't believe you believe that lee anderson, you know, clumsy in any way, know, is clumsy in any way, shape or form. he's never been clumsy with that stuff. he knows exactly he's saying, he exactly what he's saying, he knows he's saying it and let knows why he's saying it and let me as somebody who was me tell you, as somebody who was fought for more northern voices to for years, to be in parliament for years, you know, know how many people you know, i know how many people in england are in the north of england are incredibly frustrated that later on this month, one of those northern voices, because he doesn't anything, the doesn't represent anything, the northern community stand for, you divide , you know, that divide, passiveness, vitriol passiveness, all that vitriol and bile. it's nothing of what we've represent here. we're very proud in the northeast, in the northwest, across the north of england would be very proud to be diverse communities, welcoming communities. lee anderson's never been on the right side of that. and he's he's exactly where you'd expect him be now. but i believe him to be now. but i believe what is islam phobic. what he said is islam phobic. it's tory party, it's racist. and the tory party, thankfully it . thankfully have dealt with it. but it's time that they keep him out of the conversation from here on out. >> he's not here to defend

>> well, he's not here to defend himself say that he's himself and to say that he's never the right of never been on the right side of those you pointed those issues that you pointed out, i think is a little bit i think that's little bit. think that's a little bit. i think that's a little bit. i think i you're bit think i think you're a bit extreme it's quite extreme that it's not quite right, is it? that's not quite true. well it's well, well hold right, is it? that's not quite truehold.l it's well, well hold right, is it? that's not quite truehold on. s well, well hold right, is it? that's not quite truehold on. no ell, well hold right, is it? that's not quite truehold on. no no well hold right, is it? that's not quite truehold on. no no noell hold right, is it? that's not quite truehold on. no no no no. old right, is it? that's not quite truehold on. no no no no. you've on, hold on. no no no no. you've spoken, listened. now spoken, i've listened. now i'm going and going going to speak and you're going to listen. so lee anderson to listen. okay. so lee anderson isn't here to defend himself. so that's pointing out that that's why i'm pointing out that some the things said are some of the things you said are i would against i think he would argue against that. would argue that. and i would actually argue against knowing him. but the against it knowing him. but the point he was making, point that he was making, i think, was part of wider point think, was part of a wider point about sadiq khan, which is with regard to the fact that sadiq khan has brought in things that general londoners don't really khan has brought in things that geneiil londoners don't really khan has brought in things that genei mean,oners don't really khan has brought in things that genei mean, ulez don't really khan has brought in things that genei mean, ulez has't really khan has brought in things that genei mean, ulez has been.ly khan has brought in things that genei mean, ulez has been a like. i mean, ulez has been a massive, uh, massive flop in terms of how it's been received by the people of london. uh, sadiq khan did call out and call those who opposed it far right . those who opposed it far right. i mean, if he wants respect and people to, why is what he said acceptable ? well i don't think acceptable? well i don't think it is. >> i think two things can be

true. i mean, i think that it's fascinating. >> so you don't think it is. you think it's true that the people who oppose ulez are far right? >> no, no, i'm saying i don't think it's acceptable to call people oppose far people who oppose ulez far right. i'm saying two things can be that's that's the be true. that's that's the thing. you know, lee anderson can know, have made can be, you know, have made islamophobic comments and be inappropriate and should have the suspended and sadiq the whip suspended and sadiq khanisnt the whip suspended and sadiq khan isn't right for saying that , you know, members, everyone who opposes ulez right, who opposes ulez is far right, too. happens to him then? >> what happens to him for those comments? >> why? that's what i'm fascinated by with this nana why are we talking about what happens to sadiq khan when that's not the conversation? the conversation anderson conversation is lee anderson has just the tory just been kicked out of the tory party saying something party for saying something islamophobic. well, i hear islamophobic. well, no, i hear you. regards as you. he clearly regards as islamophobic. >> you have admitted that >> even you have admitted that him people out for being him calling people out for being far right just because they support acceptable. support ulez is not acceptable. so just wondering how, okay, so i'm just wondering how, okay, so we take that lee anderson is out of you know, out of order. you know, and i would agree he should have

apologised as well. but if you stand by what you believe in, you stand by what you believe in. but i'm saying that why does nothing to khan nothing happen to sadiq khan then he's these then when he's making these comments, saying that comments, if he's saying that that should , you that lee anderson should, you know, which lee anderson know, resign, which lee anderson has been has stepped down, he's been suspended. why does nothing happen he happen to sadiq khan when he makes this? makes comments like this? i think i think they're two different things. they're not they're not really i don't think they're not really i don't think they're comparable. they're directly comparable. >> why not? >> why not? >> i don't think they are. >> because one of them's racist and one of them isn't. well hang on a minute. >> islam isn't religion , is >> islam isn't a religion, is it? it isn't a race. it's a religion . so why islamophobia religion. so why is islamophobia racist ? oh no no no no, it's not racist? oh no no no no, it's not though. is it somebody who's white black or whatever white or black or whatever colour support colour you are can support islam. it's it's not race islam. so it's a it's not race is it . because it could be is it. because it could be islamophobic but it's not racist i >> -- >> yeah, but we know that the majority of it is, i believe islamophobia is my belief, my experience is a form of racism. just as they're not a different race because i can be, you know, anyone on the panel, white,

green, whatever colour you are, anyone on the panel, white, greecanrhatever colour you are, anyone on the panel, white, greecan support colour you are, anyone on the panel, white, greecan support islam, you are, anyone on the panel, white, greecan support islam, but are, anyone on the panel, white, greecan support islam, but you you can support islam, but you can islam . that's can believe in islam. that's exactly as exactly the same as anti—semitism . there's anti—semitism. there's anti—semitism, not a form of racism. >> well, i mean, it depends what i mean. i'm asking you about. i'm asking you about islam, islamophobia . islamophobia. >> think i think the whole >> but i think i think the whole thing bigger picture of, thing is a bigger picture of, you know, forms racism you know, forms of racism and different racism, islam different forms of racism, islam , phobia and anti—semitism are forms of racism in my mind. therefore, what lee anderson has said and with his said knowingly and with his language and using the language that he has, because that's what politicians have, that's their skill set, right? they have language and it's important how they hold them to they use it, and we hold them to account for it. the tory party clearly thinks crossed clearly thinks this has crossed the line and, you know, they've suspended them for it. and if the which the tory party, which notoriously of notoriously has a history of an issue islamophobia , you issue with islamophobia, you know, think about the comments of when she, of baroness warsi when she, she raised years. raised these issues for years. if that it's crossed if they think that it's crossed the islamophobia, then the line into islamophobia, then clearly, you know, it just shows you. >> i'm not defending his comments. i'm just saying that there another point of view there is another point of view and to you. and i'm putting that to you. james, you very much for

james, thank you very much for to me. really good to talking me. really good to talk to you. that's james matthewson. yeah, but but like anti—semite ism and islamophobia are behaviours , um, are forms of behaviours, um, which are unacceptable. we know that. which are unacceptable. we know that . so what are your thoughts that. so what are your thoughts on what lee anderson said? vaiews@gbnews.uk um, tweet me at gb uh do you think that at gb news. uh do you think that the conservative party have done the conservative party have done the right thing? lee has. i think he has apologised in a sense. he's just that he sense. he's just said that he will continue to support the tory party in wiping out all those uh , phobias. those forms of, uh, phobias. right. joining me now is the right. so joining me now is the we've him, haven't we? we've done him, haven't we? right. this is gb news on tv. i was about to read the same thing

>> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> good afternoon. it's 19 minutes after 4:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. if you've just tuned in, where have you been? because we've had so much going on. lee anderson has been suspended. breaking news. but let's welcome again panel broadcast from again to my panel broadcast from columnist and also

columnist lizzie cundy and also trade andy mcdonald. trade unionist andy mcdonald. right. well listen, we know that lee anderson has been suspended. i'm going to come straight to you, andrew, because you said that you know lee quite that you you know lee quite well. you've known for well. you've known him for many years. your thoughts years. what are your thoughts on this situation. yeah. >> know, up in >> well, you know, i grew up in mansfield, which is just one seat over from ashfield. his wife my mum's councillor , in wife is my mum's councillor, in fact. been very involved fact. so i've been very involved with anderson family for with the anderson family for quite a long time. and i remember he labour remember when he was a labour councillor and a labour staff member, when was suspended member, when he was suspended from group from the labour group on ashfield council. ashfield district council. so it's of theme, it's becoming a bit of a theme, seemingly, that getting, seemingly, that he's getting, um, the um, getting suspended from the primary political parties. so it's is he going to go and it's just is he going to go and join the lib dems and try and get triple? big get the triple? it's the big question. it's it was question. it's just it was a bizarre they need to suspend their leader first. >> it a bizarre comment for >> it was a bizarre comment for them.was bizarre comment from >> it was a bizarre comment from do do you it's do you do you think it's a bizarre comment though. >> was, know, saying >> it was, you know, uh, saying that islamist take over that he's let islamist take over london given it away to london and he's given it away to his mates. >> that infers that there is a clear friendship between and islamists. >> well, what a bizarre comment. islamists. >> i think/hat a bizarre comment. islamists. >> i think that, bizarre comment. islamists.

>> i think that, to zarre comment. islamists. >> i think that, to be 'e comment. islamists. >> i think that, to be fair»mment. islamists. >> i think that, to be fair to nent. >> i think that, to be fair to lee, says they're taking lee, when he says they're taking over he's over london, i think he's referring pro—palestinian referring to the pro—palestinian protests have going on protests that have been going on every people every single weekend. people >> protest. >> so freedom of protest. >> so freedom of protest. >> say that, but then >> well, you say that, but then how work for the jewish how does it work for the jewish people then? because when they're and lot they're protesting and a lot of that there been that protesting, there have been quite, chanting quite, you know, some chanting that a lot of people would say is anti—semitic, including many jewish afraid jewish people. they're afraid to go protests are go out when these protests are going right to say going on. is he not right to say that there's a level of takeover of streets london? of the streets of london? i think about protests. >> it's difficult to say because i remember going to a campaign against anti—semitism march a couple that against anti—semitism march a cougvery, that against anti—semitism march a cougvery, well that against anti—semitism march a cougvery, well received,1at was very, very well received, very very very well policed, very respectful, were lots respectful, and there were lots of people there. >> but it's hard, you know, are you political figure? >> you know, sadiq khan is a political intervene in political figure to intervene in the police's of the metropolitan police's way of policing protests like, well, deeply worrying should deeply a deeply worrying should be uphold be making sure that they uphold the law. >> you are not allowed to >> so you are not allowed to project things onto houses project things onto the houses of parliament have of parliament or people have been house of parliament. been to the house of parliament. you're minute . you're not. hold on a minute. you're not. hold on a minute. you're do that, you're not allowed to do that, though. something you're not allowed to do that, thou is. something you're not allowed to do that, thouis seen something you're not allowed to do that, thouis seen as something you're not allowed to do that, thouis seen as anti—semitic] you're not allowed to do that, thouis seen as anti—semitic or that is seen as anti—semitic or zionist or whatever, you know, whichever terme to use whichever terme you want to use each both offensive when

each are both offensive when you're referring to people in that surely something that way, then surely something should done should have been done. >> hard to police. >> well, it's hard to police. i mean , when why it, when was mean, when why is it, when was it someone's got protect her. it someone's got to protect her. >> got protect >> somebody's got to protect her. the law to do that. >> are you going to go after ministry of sound as well? you know they well. know they did it. well. >> years, okay. years >> that was years, okay. years ago. don't know what the ago. i don't know what the deal was. spoken was. they may have spoken to them, is something was. they may have spoken to them, is is something was. they may have spoken to them, is a is something was. they may have spoken to them, is a pure is something was. they may have spoken to them, is a pure anti—semiticiing which is a pure anti—semitic behaviour, which unacceptable behaviour, which is unacceptable . of sound have done . ministry of sound have done it. know how it. that was i don't know how many a long, long many years ago, a long, long time ago. right right. let's time ago. right right. so let's talk now. talk about now. >> well, mean, i assume >> well, i mean, it's i assume that there's a police >> well, i mean, it's i assume that tifiled a police >> well, i mean, it's i assume that tifiled and a police >> well, i mean, it's i assume that tifiled and the oolice >> well, i mean, it's i assume that tifiled and the police will report filed and the police will be due pi'ocess. >> process. >> it's okay. >> it's okay. >> it's okay. >> it's not responsibility >> it's not his responsibility as figure to intervene. >> khan as of to >> sadiq khan as mayor of to london decide those london decide whether those things and he's things can go ahead. and he's obviously decided that they can go on and week out. go on week on and week out. >> friend of lee's >> look, i'm a friend of lee's and no way a racist. and he's no way a racist. >> he's actually saying, what a lot people think, and he lot of the people think, and he speaks heart, and he's speaks from the heart, and he's not to say, i'm afraid not afraid to say, i'm afraid people have enough . people have had enough. >> enough of >> they've had enough of intimidation . intimidation. >> had enough of >> they've had enough of threats, of these threats, enough of these

so—called demos , erratic so—called demos, erratic demonstrations. listen, i got caught up in one of them and i was scared. >> i really was scared. and i think people have just had enough of it. and he's saying what a lot of us are feeling. >> they need to arrest. >> they need to arrest. >> and, you know, the people that are chanting hate , that are that are chanting hate, that are projecting hate , hateful words projecting hate, hateful words on our public buildings, this cannot go on. >> but but what would you say to the point that his comments may stoke tensions so they're divisive, which is what wes streeting saying. their streeting was saying. their divisive figure. divisive use a political figure. he's quite powerful he's quite a powerful political figure. following. figure. he's got big following. a people respect if figure. he's got big following. a says people respect if figure. he's got big following. a says thingse respect if figure. he's got big following. a says things like )ect if figure. he's got big following. a says things like that, if figure. he's got big following. a says things like that, thenf he says things like that, then his along with his followers may go along with that in negative manner. that in a negative manner. i totally agree what you said, nana. >> look, i believe in freedom of speech, with responsibility , speech, but with responsibility, and his words were bit and i think his words were a bit clumsy as said. um but clumsy, as you said. um but i think lee is, as i said, unlike many mps who just speak with her head , he speaks with his heart head, he speaks with his heart and a lot of us all are feeling exactly how he is feeling.

>> what would you say to that, though, andy, that a lot of people are feeling that way and he speaks for a lot of people. well seemingly he kind of admitted was admitted that there was a problem what said problem with what he said because statement, because in his statement, i can't remember the words can't remember the exact words he said there were clumsy. >> said, know, >> so he said, you know, he understands he's understands the position. he's put the prime minister the put the prime minister in the chief didn't chief because he didn't apologise. does recognise apologise. so he does recognise that issue. so that there was an issue. so i guess that's well, no, he's recognised apologise. >> that he doesn't >> doesn't mean that he doesn't mean saying. you mean what he's saying. do you see mean? see what i mean? >> if he sees that as an >> but if he sees that as an issue for not apologising, that does an issue does recognise there is an issue with the words he recognises it, but recognised you but he has recognised that, you know, i'm not defending him, i'm just i'm agreeing just saying that i'm agreeing with he has recognised that. >> but either way, he may have been clumsy his my been clumsy with his words. my point well be point is that he may well be saying lot of people are saying what a lot of people are thinking, and actually this thinking, and actually what this has know, it's has created and, you know, it's difficult you difficult because sometimes you say that and then say things like that and then it's obviously taken a very it's obviously taken in a very negative then somebody negative way, and then somebody slaps then slaps a name on you, and then once slapped on you, once the name is slapped on you, you silenced. and i'm saying you are silenced. and i'm saying that in this instance, i don't know whether some people will

think that deserved think that he deserved it. others that, but others might not think that, but this calling type thing is this name calling type thing is where it silences people from actually giving an opinion. >> that he's not >> i would argue that he's not silenced, i how silenced, you know? i mean, how many thousands does many thousands of followers does he i think he have on twitter? i think something 100,000 something like 90, 100,000 quite, and he's got, something like 90, 100,000 quit know, and he's got, something like 90, 100,000 quit know, excellent he's got, something like 90, 100,000 quit know, excellent showgot, something like 90, 100,000 quit know, excellent show here. you know, excellent show here. lee on lee anderson's real world on fridays you know, you fridays at seven. you know, you can it on tv news. you can watch it on tv news. you know, i don't think he is silenced all. i think silenced at all. i think he's got platform say got a large platform to say whatever mean it like that. >> i mean, somebody calls you >> i mean, if somebody calls you something then you something like that, then you have of stop, step back have to kind of stop, step back from what you're saying. >> we've this >> yeah, we've seen this in parliament. being scared parliament. mps are being scared of really feel. of saying how they really feel. this is the problem. and that's what speak the what mps should speak from the heart, and heart, not from the head. and that's happening. that's what's happening. because now been now look, he's he's been suspended, which i think is wrong. >> p- f�*— p— e but again, he is >> well yeah, but again, he is in a position of power. he needs to that words can be to know that his words can be taken in a way. and you know, he. well, let's just see because i'm joined by political i'm joined now by political commentator benedict spence to get his view on all of this. benedict thank you very much for joining what you make joining me. so what do you make of anderson's words?

of lee anderson's words? he didn't initially, but didn't apologise initially, but he position he has recognised the position that he's his party in. that he's put his party in. >> i think it was a potentially foolish thing to have done. i'll say potentially i'll get to on it in a second because i think to make the link between islamism and mayor of london islamism and the mayor of london was always going to be very was always going to be a very incendiary thing to do. >> think it was >> and i also think it was foolish that foolish in the sense that it takes from main issue, takes away from the main issue, which the labour party which is that the labour party were were were claiming that they were being threatened, or that members being threatened, members were being threatened, and that this was going to justify wanting motion justify them wanting a motion putand i think the broader point >> and i think the broader point that make then, is that people could make then, is that people could make then, is that this might influence the labour party once they become the party government. it labour party once they become th not|rty government. it labour party once they become th not unfair government. it labour party once they become th not unfair to vernment. it labour party once they become th not unfair to verr raising it labour party once they become th not unfair to verr raising this it is not unfair to be raising this as a very serious issue. and i think that what mr anderson has done from that think that what mr anderson has done yesterday,:rom that think that what mr anderson has done yesterday, all| that issue. yesterday, all that everybody was it's everybody was saying was it's very very that very serious, very serious that mps being intimidated . mps might be being intimidated. and have sadly found and now we have sadly found ourselves in a situation where labour , having put labour mps, having put themselves this awkward themselves in this awkward situation, able to say, situation, are now able to say, ah, it's not the problem. ah, see, it's not the problem. that's problem. that's not the problem. islamophobia fact the islamophobia is in fact the problem far right and problem and the far right and this, the other.

this, that and the other. so they're to distract they're able to distract from they're able to distract from the issue get out of a very the issue and get out of a very thorny in, uh, for lee thorny situation in, uh, for lee anderson himself, if he has caused, a of, caused, you know, a lot of, uh, hustle bustle , shall we say, hustle and bustle, shall we say, in the tory party, he's flirted with of voting against with the idea of voting against the government a couple of times . been, i think, a very . uh, he's been, i think, a very vocal critic of own party at vocal critic of his own party at times and he's also flirted times. and he's also flirted with joining the reform at with joining the reform party at times. he can't be times. so i think he can't be surprised this was coming . surprised that this was coming. um, and so i have to assume, therefore , he exactly what therefore, he knew exactly what he saying at the time. this, he was saying at the time. this, therefore, is potentially unfortunate he is lost unfortunate in that he is lost the but does it open up a the whip. but does it open up a new avenue? uh potentially with the reform party or as an independent? i don't know, but it will be curious. i don't think we've necessarily heard the him , uh, as a sort the last of him, uh, as a sort of a political figure of significance . significance. >> um, um, because as you said, by, um, kind of saying it the way he did, people then conflated it or or maybe rightly associated it with islamophobia . associated it with islamophobia. it depends on your perspective on that. but the point that he

was trying to get to, i think, is, is a is a fair one, because we saw what happened. and um, in the debates on wednesday when , the debates on wednesday when, of course, the snp and members of course, the snp and members of the conservative party walked out because the motion was changed and the labour party had been influenced or sir keir starmer well of influenced the speaker to change the proceedings. so yeah, there is he is making a point somewhere. >> he is . and i think we also >> he is. and i think we also have to recognise that one of the main sort of facilitators of a lot of this, a lot of the anti—semitism, um, um, that we've seen , which has led to we've seen, which has led to police officers having been having to posted outside of having to be posted outside of jewish schools and synagogues in central london, by central london, and by extension, therefore extension, we therefore have to assume the things that assume one of the things that has this , uh, entire has inflamed this, uh, entire situation has , i think, been the situation has, i think, been the allowance of these protests in central london and not necessarily the allowance of the process themselves, but the seeming tolerance of a degree of anti—semitism by the police, of the marchers and, you know, we

keep on having this, don't we, that, you know, the terms jihad can mean several things. and from the river to the seas, there is context to it. and it's one of those things where you're kind of thinking, if you give people the opportunity to run with you give that with this, if you give them that sort of area to go, oh, no, sort of grey area to go, oh, no, it's not actually genocide sort of grey area to go, oh, no, it':all.t actually genocide sort of grey area to go, oh, no, it':all.t actyeah, genocide sort of grey area to go, oh, no, it':all.t actyeah, we genocide sort of grey area to go, oh, no, it':all.t actyeah, we are enocide sort of grey area to go, oh, no, it':all.t actyeah, we are calling at all. but yeah, we are calling for will on for it. then they will keep on doing it will bolster doing it and it will bolster them it will incentivise them and it will incentivise them. that's, i'm afraid, them. and that's, i'm afraid, actually responsibility them. and that's, i'm afraid, ac'thely responsibility them. and that's, i'm afraid, ac'the mayor responsibility them. and that's, i'm afraid, ac'the mayor of esponsibility them. and that's, i'm afraid, ac'the mayor of london, ility them. and that's, i'm afraid, ac'the mayor of london, given of the mayor of london, given that this is happening london of the mayor of london, given that tiis is happening london of the mayor of london, given that tiis therappening london of the mayor of london, given that tiis the remitiing london of the mayor of london, given that tiis the remitiingthe london and it is the remit of the metropolitan police, uh, that falls very directly the falls very directly into the mayor's influence. so mayor's sphere of influence. so i it's an unfair to i don't think it's an unfair to thing to the issues to thing to link the two issues to the office, saying that the mayor's office, saying that the mayor's office, saying that the is in the hands the that london is in the hands of islamists mayor's of islamists and the mayor's mates, to combine the mates, or trying to combine the two way, that's two in some way, that's obviously overstepping mark. obviously overstepping the mark. that's but again , that's a bit silly. but again, it's obfuscating what is it's sort of obfuscating what is actually rather important actually rather an important conversation be conversation that needs to be had, is relationship had, which is the relationship between safety , the between mps safety, the metropolitan police the role metropolitan police and the role of mayor london, who is of the mayor of london, who is ultimately one of the people that metropolitan police that the metropolitan police answer the thing is, >> yeah, but but the thing is,

what if what can you conclude if somebody this all to go somebody allows this all to go on? as you pointed out with on? so as you pointed out with the pro—palestinian protests , the pro—palestinian protests, seems to be you're allowed seems to be that you're allowed to, you know, chant a jihad from the river sea, hold the river to the sea, hold banners accusing people of being coconuts of coconuts and all sorts of things. you said, things. and that's, as you said, a being allowed and a degree of it being allowed and things projected onto things being projected onto buildings that are as buildings that are seen as anti—semitic. if a degree its anti—semitic. if a degree of its being allowed its continued being allowed and its continued with the protests. um do you with all the protests. um do you think was fair for him to think it was fair for him to kind look at it and say, kind of look at it and say, well, looks you're in well, it looks like you're in bed these people? bed with these people? >> that sadiq khan is an >> i think that sadiq khan is an opportunist. is ultimately i think he's very selfish , think he's very selfish, evolved, and i think that he's an opportunist and he looks at these palestine protests as saying there's saying, well, there's no political for me in coming political gain for me in coming down hard on them or demanding that they be curtailed, because actually, a lot of core actually, a lot of my core voters in london, even if they're the people going on voters in london, even if they'rmarches, people going on voters in london, even if they'rmarches, theree going on voters in london, even if they'rmarches, there isjoing on voters in london, even if they'rmarches, there is aing on voters in london, even if they'rmarches, there is a lot on voters in london, even if they'r marches, there is a lot of these marches, there is a lot of sympathy so i think sympathy for that. so i think the mayor london, as if we the mayor of london, as if we were to accuse him of anything, i think it's probably that he is a tolerant of those a lot more tolerant of those sorts marches than, say , if

sorts of marches than, say, if it were different kind of it were a different kind of political causing the political march causing the same amount saying the amount of damage, or saying the same sorts of things. i don't think mayor think that the mayor is anti—protest you sort anti—protest or, you know, sort of hugely property protest . of hugely pro property protest. i the thing is here i think the key thing is here what allowed get what people are allowed to get away chanting. and don't away with chanting. and i don't think mayor necessarily think the mayor is necessarily in but he looks in favour of those, but he looks at and goes, that's a fight at it and goes, that's a fight that i'm not prepared to pick because end upsetting because i'll end up upsetting a lot my supporters. yeah lot of my own supporters. yeah yeah, but then, yeah, well, yeah, but but then, um, the thing is , with regard to um, the thing is, with regard to that, though, protesting , like that, though, protesting, like you said, he's kind of pushing back on not getting to involved in that, but it is his job as mayor, isn't it really to it is. although equally it's the job of the leader of the opposition, the leader of the opposition, the leader of the opposition, the leader of the labour party, to be forthright and firm when it comes to things like anti—semitism labour anti—semitism in the labour party. actually now party. and actually up until now , i think sir keir starmer had done very job. given done a very good job. um, given given of given the amount of anti—semitism that actually you find the left, think he had find on the left, i think he had done good job stamping done a very good job of stamping out quite lot of high profile out quite a lot of high profile anti—semitism. i think the problem we on

problem is, as we saw on wednesday the of it, wednesday, the scale of it, i think really sort of think has has really sort of slightly overwhelmed the party. it's overwhelmed. slightly overwhelmed the party. it's the overwhelmed. slightly overwhelmed the party. it's the mps.erwhelmed. slightly overwhelmed the party. it's the mps. iwhelmed. slightly overwhelmed the party. it's the mps. i don'tned. slightly overwhelmed the party. it's the mps. i don't think lot of the mps. i don't think that they feel they're well that they feel that they're well enough with enough equipped to deal with it. so that perspective, so from that perspective, if, oh, we've just lost, you know, sorry , am i am i we lost that sorry, am i am i we lost that last you were frozen but you unfrozen at the wrong bit. >> benedict spence. thank you so much. thank you. brilliant. that was benedict spence. what do you think? news uh.com. think? gb views gb news uh.com. i'm is gb news. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. still come. more on lee still to come. more on lee anderson . anderson. >> nana. thank you. your top stories from the gb newsroom. lee anderson has been suspended from the tory party. it comes after the former deputy chair said the london mayor had given the capital away and was controlled by islamists. the prime minister was under pressure to react after sadiq khan said his deafening silence was condoning racism . a was condoning racism. a spokesperson for the party's chief whip says the mp was

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here in terms of compromise, if you like , you're listening . to you like, you're listening. to >> good afternoon. it's fast approaching 37 minutes after 4:00. if you've just joined us, welcome on board. i'm nana akua breaking news today. lee anderson has been suspended from the tory party. that's after his refusal to apologise for his comments . the spokesperson for comments. the spokesperson for the chief whip had said following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday, the chief whip has suspended the conservative whip from lee anderson mp . lee said from lee anderson mp. lee said this following a call with the chief whip. i understand the difficult position that i've put

both he and the prime minister in with regard to my comments. i fully accept that they had no opfion fully accept that they had no option but to suspend the whip in these circumstances. however i will continue to support the government's efforts to call out extreme ism in all its forms , be extreme ism in all its forms, be that anti—semitism or islamophobia. well, joining me now is donal mccarthy, climate columnist and also former special adviser to michael gove, charlie rowley. i'm going to come to you, danica, right. so lee anderson has sort of in a way, he's stepped down. i didn't hear the words actual sorry specifically, but he is saying that he realises the position that he realises the position that he's put his party in. >> yeah. so he'll now be his loss to whip the tory whip. i think what i haven't heard anybody is anybody discussing so far is what me really what to me is really interesting. what about his constituency? you know, he i don't think he will now able constituency? you know, he i do stand nk he will now able constituency? you know, he i do stand as he will now able constituency? you know, he i do stand as the mill now able constituency? you know, he i do stand as the tory|ow able constituency? you know, he i do stand as the tory candidatee to stand as the tory candidate in the next general election. so what ashfield that what happens in ashfield is that such though, the such a big deal though, the tories are heading for a major landslide. >> he goes independent or >> he goes an independent or well, if, what to my

well, if, what if, what if to my mind it interesting is mind makes it interesting is what happen that constituency? >> will he stand for reform against allow against the tory party and allow labour and that's that labour in and that's that constituency fascinating. constituency is fascinating. >> well, it's interesting that you that allow you think that that would allow labour this labour in because a lot of this constituents looking at constituents might be looking at the party right now and the labour party right now and being , especially with being worried, especially with what debate this what happened in the debate this week where labour mps were scared to, you know , answer scared to, you know, answer questions. and the process processes was changed. >> i think maybe i didn't express it well enough. that constituency is fascinating. there has been lib dems within 100 votes of winning. there's been tory labour mps, tory mps and last time around, an independent came within 6000 votes of defeating lee anderson . votes of defeating lee anderson. and the other thing that i think is fascinating is martin daubney was candidate in the same was the candidate in the same constituency for reform last time round. so this is stirring an extraordinary pot. but going back to real issues rather than just kind political nerd just the kind of political nerd that i am, is that i think there's two things that lee anderson stood for. he's really against the action on protecting

our climate. and he's also been very much on the reform thing, attacking free speech, attacking the rights of climate environmentalists like me , environmentalists like me, protesting in our streets peacefully . and he's been also peacefully. and he's been also attacking this, this , this huge attacking this, this, this huge controversy is about the right to protest against the slaughter in palestine. >> i don't think he's fighting for right to protest on these issues. he's probably just doesn't you and doesn't agree with you and expressing a different point of view. >> no, but he actually backed change, the legislation that made punitive to made a punitive for people to peacefully protest. so ten years, we're now worse than russia. we're putting people in jail peacefully protest on jail for peacefully protest on the . the environment. >> very much putting, >> and he was very much putting, imposing that were the people that were putting in for that were putting in jail for protesting or even attacking in protesting or even attacking in protest . seems protest are peaceful. it seems there's harmony. there's that harmony. london, where playing something there's that harmony. london, where it playing something there's that harmony. london, where it seems playing something there's that harmony. london, where it seems christians, mething nice. it seems christians, they're prepared to put stop they're prepared to put to stop protesting, but pro—palestinian protests actually protests that are actually chanting slogans are chanting slogans that are anti—semitic , they seem to be anti—semitic, they seem to be carrying on in london. charlie rowley, what? rowley, um, what? >> i don't think we are worse than russia. >> i think ten years, ten years

jail for protesting peaceful protests. >> it's eight years in russia. >> it's eight years in russia. >> it's eight years in russia. >> i don't think you get eight years. >> eight years for peaceful. >> eight years for peaceful. >> i mean, get nothing. no, i do think you get jail time in jail. you don't get jail time for peaceful protesting . you peaceful protesting. you obviously someone that's obviously someone that's obviously hate or obviously incited hate or something regards you in something that regards you in inciting hate. and you should be off the streets. >> but there are degrees. >> but there are degrees. >> but but but not >> yeah, but but but we're not quickly there degrees of it. quickly there are degrees of it. >> with our justice >> so with with our justice system, taken system, each situation is taken individually in russia. did individually in russia. you did it. those years. it. you're out for those years. but let him finish. let him. let him finish. >> i think mean, in >> but i think look, i mean, in terms answer, i mean, terms of the answer, i mean, look, what he said and look, he said what he said and he's had the whip removed. he could the could have actually owned the situation. out situation. maybe by coming out to he meant to try and clarify what he meant by what he said and kept the whip. i mean, i, you know, who knows, in a few months when knows, in a few months time when time there'll be other time passes, there'll be other news comes news agenda that sort of comes and the whip returned. >> that might be something that i think tory will want i think the tory party will want to manage for him , and to try and manage for him, and he'll sort of see that he'll want to sort of see that happen, sure. he'll want to sort of see that hapbut, sure. he'll want to sort of see that hapbut i sure. he'll want to sort of see that hapbut i think, 'e. he'll want to sort of see that hapbut i think, look , what you >> but i think, look, what you can't is allow for tensions

can't do is allow for tensions to stoke to tensions to rise when it becomes a too problematic and when the stakes are too high at the minute, when you're seeing obviously the sort of in israel , you're seeing obviously the sort of in israel, in gaza of conflict in israel, in gaza and also when you're talking about russia, obviously there's about russia, obviously there's a conflict in ukraine and russia. you know, when there russia. so, you know, when there is so much tension on the international, uh, circuit, you have a politician, have to be, as a politician, able to make sure your language is such that it doesn't stoke those tensions, that it doesn't cause more problems in these areas as it doesn't, uh, bring communities with communities in conflict with each communities in conflict with eacand that's what's >> and that's clearly what's happened this instance. happened in this instance. >> lee's never been known as >> but lee's never been known as the tactful, tactical, sort the most tactful, tactical, sort of tactical and is of tactical person. and he is quite clumsy in his words, sort of, you know, donald trump was clumsy in his as well. clumsy in his words as well. people like that. but he's liked quite a lot by constituents . quite a lot by his constituents. and if they removed and i think even if they removed the want give the whip, they'll want to give it suspect he'll it back because i suspect he'll still his seat. his stance . still win his seat. his stance. >> think that's right. >> no, i think that's right. i mean, you've had from richard mean, you've had a from richard tice earlier and from a few tice earlier on and from a few other commentators. i thought benedict was brilliant to

benedict spence was brilliant to articulate that, you know, even the necessarily articulate that, you know, even the bit necessarily articulate that, you know, even the bit and cessarily articulate that, you know, even the bit and obviously was a bit clumsy and obviously the wrong thing to, to say. but was a bit clumsy and obviously the wis1g thing to, to say. but was a bit clumsy and obviously the wis a thing to, to say. but was a bit clumsy and obviously the wis a sentimento say. but was a bit clumsy and obviously the wis a sentiment acrossbut was a bit clumsy and obviously the wis a sentiment across the there is a sentiment across the country that sometimes, particularly that, country that sometimes, part know,y that, country that sometimes, part know, the that, country that sometimes, partknow, the mayor that, country that sometimes, part know, the mayor 1clearly you know, the mayor is clearly out of and a lot of out of control. and a lot of these it these issues, you know, when it comes to speech, sort of, comes to hate speech, sort of, you we talked earlier on you know, we talked earlier on about of plaster, you know, about sort of plaster, you know, from to the sea on from the river to the sea on parliament. police parliament. you know, the police should on should have cracked down on that. and that is a responsibility of the mayor. and it does seem, you know, you were talking on, you talking about it earlier on, you know, people or sadiq talking about it earlier on, you know,describing or sadiq talking about it earlier on, you know,describing people or sadiq talking about it earlier on, you know,describing people or sare] khan describing people that are anti it anti ulez are the far right. it bnngs anti ulez are the far right. it brings into whole question brings into a whole question about that's not what he said. >> did actually. well, no >> he did actually. well, no, no that's will actually get. that's what i will actually get. >> issue. >> let's get into the issue. >> let's get into the issue. >> but idea that >> but but the idea that actually because i wasn't aware of but idea that of that but the idea that that wasn't well , well the idea wasn't true, well, well the idea well, just trying well, the point i'm just trying to make is that the idea that that wasn't called on that, that wasn't called out on that, that wasn't called out on that, that leapt upon means that wasn't leapt upon means that wasn't leapt upon means that an imbalance that there is an imbalance about what and what what people can say and what people what they people can't say or what they shouldn't say. >> that, you >> now, i'm not saying that, you know, tat. we should just >> now, i'm not saying that, you knclee tat. we should just >> now, i'm not saying that, you knclee anderson should just >> now, i'm not saying that, you knclee anderson get uld just >> now, i'm not saying that, you knclee anderson get awayist >> now, i'm not saying that, you knclee anderson get away with let lee anderson get away with what but we should be what he said. but we should be making sure. exactly. calling out who's sponging those

out anybody who's sponging those sort virtues. out anybody who's sponging those son butvirtues. out anybody who's sponging those son but listen, this show's >> but listen, this show's nothing without you and your views. our views. let's welcome our great british their british voices. their opportunity on show opportunity to be on the show and they think and tell us what they think about we're about the topics we're discussing. to lee discussing. let's go to lee harris. he's there bristol. harris. he's there in bristol. find thinks find out what he thinks about what's lee harris what's going on. lee harris well, i mean, this is big news at the moment. what are your thoughts on this? >> look, i think lee anderson's choice of words could have been a little bit better, but i think a little bit better, but i think a lot of people who've been watching these vile hate marches taking over london every single weekend will totally agree with the sentiment. >> me included. >> me included. >> lee anderson was effectively suspended for speaking the truth and however clumsy it might be. but that's, i think, how the pubuc but that's, i think, how the public will see it. he didn't say anything racist as sadiq khan , uh, suggested. and i think khan, uh, suggested. and i think it's right that he didn't apologise , just like khan didn't apologise, just like khan didn't apologise, just like khan didn't apologise for labelling anyone who disagreed with his ridiculous ulez policy as far right . um, i ridiculous ulez policy as far

right. um, i think he's just trying to articulate what a lot of people are thinking and let's not forget, this follows mps saying they felt directly threatened and, um, by the mob , threatened and, um, by the mob, which led to them changing possibly the way that our government is run and the way that they vote. um and he i understand i think lee anderson is incredibly frustrated and he's right to shine a light on it. this is why i think it's a bad move for the conservatives to suspend him. they are shooting themselves in the foot. it makes them look like they're out of touch with the public, and it will be viewed as another example of a appeasing the mob. this, you know , in my view, this, you know, in my view, sadiq khan is one of the most divisive, nasty , hypocritical, divisive, nasty, hypocritical, useless politicians that we have in this country. >> and he was will you leave this shoot from the hip? he's not here to defend himself , to not here to defend himself, to be fair. understood. but he is. >> he is responsible for the totality of policing in london. and i would strongly argue, to just finish on this, i would

strongly argue that it's the soft touch to tier policing that has directly empowered the mob. they think they own the place nana and effectively they do, because they know the police will let them get away with it and i think that's what lee anderson was trying to articulate. >> but yeah, i think that's it. but some of that wording , um, but some of that wording, um, you know, maybe not, but lee was a bit it was a bit clumsy. >> i, i will admit that. >> i, i will admit that. >> well, well, well, listen, really good to talk to you. thank you very much, lee. good to talk to you. that is lee. he's there bristol. he's he's out there in bristol. he's a british voice. still a great british voice. still loads come. don't loads more to come. don't go anywhere

years is its commitment. >> it you're listening to gb news radio . news radio. >> good afternoon. if you've just tuned in, welcome aboard. it's 49 minutes after 4:00. i'm nana akua . this is a gb news. we nana akua. this is a gb news. we are the people's channel. and unless you've been hiding under a rock, you probably won't know this. lee anderson has been this. but lee anderson has been suspended from tory party

suspended from the tory party after his refusal to apologise for comments . now, for his comments. now, a spokesperson the chief whip spokesperson for the chief whip has said following his refusal to for comments to apologise for comments made yesterday , the chief whip has yesterday, the chief whip has suspended the conservative whip from . uh lee from lee anderson mp. uh lee anderson mp said following a call with the chief whip. i understand the difficult position that i've put both me and the prime minister in with regard to my comments and i fully accept that they had no opfion fully accept that they had no option but to suspend the whip in these circumstances . however, in these circumstances. however, i will continue to support the government's efforts to call out extremism in all its forms, be that anti—semitism or islamophobia. it's forms owe it to us now , right? so anyway, to us now, right? so anyway, joining me to discuss that is independent mayoral , greater independent mayoral, greater manchester mayoral candidate nick buckley . nick, welcome on nick buckley. nick, welcome on board. thank you. thank you very much for making the journey. now i know you're, um, trying going for the, uh, mayoral ship in greater manchester, but i wanted to ask you your thoughts on this because you yourself got in

trouble for some comments that you uh, you were with you made, uh, when you were with your charity. the mancunian way, in regard black in 2020 with regard to black lives matter. uh, give us lives matter. just, uh, give us a on what what what a recap on what what what happened.so a recap on what what what happened. so in a nutshell, i went on to black lives matter website, what were website, read what they were about didn't it, a about, didn't like it, wrote a blog and was called a nazi and a racist just by highlighting what they'd put on their website. they'd put on their own website. >> um , and what's >> um, and that's what's happened this case. it's, um, happened in this case. it's, um, i'm not saying what lee anderson said was right or wrong, i don't know, but he's an elected mp. he should have the right to say what he thinks. it's should have the right to say what he thinks . it's down to should have the right to say what he thinks. it's down to his constituencies to vote him out if they think he's wrong . but if they think he's wrong. but what we do in this country now is use that end in ist is we use words that end in ist or phob to shut people up, because we don't want them speaking. we don't attack the argument, we don't prove they're wrong. we shut them up by using words that end in eastern phobia i >> -- >> um, but 5mm >> um, but but he said that that, uh, that that islamist had got control of london. but then he did later explain that what

he did later explain that what he meant was that they've got control of sadiq khan. so he was kind of referring to the fact that you know, there'd been all these pro—palestinian protests, uh, do you think that, as you said , that people attack the said, that people attack the words and not the actual argument that he's actually making a point, that a lot of people are thinking? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> look, mean, i don't >> you look, i mean, i don't come london that often, come to london that often, but you on every saturday you look on tv every saturday for and you're thinking, for london and you're thinking, what going on in london now ? what is going on in london now? he then said that, you know , the he then said that, you know, the islamist friends are friends of sadiq khan . um, i don't know if sadiq khan. um, i don't know if that's true or not. he he may have evidence. he may not have evidence. but you can make that jump evidence. but you can make that jump sometimes when he's allowing these protests every saturday that are intimidating and we know they're intimidating, you try going to a protest in london on saturday with a union jack flag. the flag of this country. you stand there with that flag, you're more likely to be arrested because the police are scared that's going cause a riot . how can

going to cause a riot. how can the flag of the country cause riot? >> well, we've had quite a few issues because we had that , uh, issues because we had that, uh, that girl harmony london, she was singing christian songs and she was told that she can't do that she has be that because she has to be outside church . uh, it does outside a church. uh, it does feel , you know, like that feel, you know, like that certain elements, especially the christianity, like there was a preacher who was singing outside near a tube station, and the police were going to they started to arrest him for something, and it was like, what is going on in this london? so i people maybe people are conflating maybe wrongly, this because nothing is happening . what do you think happening. what do you think sadiq khan should be doing ? sadiq khan should be doing? you're going to be you're heading to try and become a mayor. yeah. were you mayor. yeah. if it were you and this your thing , what would this was your thing, what would you doing? you be doing? >> all appreciate the >> so we all appreciate the right to peacefully demonstrate on any issue you want to. >> it's not supposed to tell you the issues you can and can't demonstrate on. but when you're demonstrating in a city, we need to make sure that other people can go about their business, that you're not blocking traffic

and ruining other people's businesses . that's where just businesses. that's where just stop oil keep going wrong. it's not. are peaceful, but not. they are peaceful, but they're businesses . they're killing businesses. they're keeping people stuck in traffic . so need to make sure traffic. so we need to make sure other people about their other people can go about their lawful duty. now in london, we're also seeing a small minority of people who who are anti—semitic, who are saying the most awful things. we're seeing those clips online now . we those clips online now. we looked at the, um, projector on big ben. so let's have a look at that. the police should have shut that down straight away. you the thing. you see, that's the thing. >> didn't sadiq khan. >> why didn't sadiq khan. because it there . because he's seen it on there. he that this is he would have known that this is a issue. how would this. a real issue. how would this. but if but has got the power but if but has he got the power to though ? to do that though? >> but what he doesn't want >> yes, but what he doesn't want and what chief of police and what the chief of police doesn't is for those people doesn't want is for those people then turn violent. because then to turn violent. because that will be that will the that will be that will be the headune that will be that will be the headline in papers or the headline in the papers or the news the next day. news channels. the next day. it will like actions caused will be like your actions caused a riot. well, sometimes times we have to risk issues like that to

make sure we control the streets . at the moment we don't control the streets in this country. we've handed them over to criminals and to radicals and to protesters. we need to reclaim those streets back. >> that the same in >> is that the same in manchester, where you are? are you of you getting the level of pro—palestinian week pro—palestinian protests week in, out every saturday or in, week out every saturday or on a much smaller scale than you're getting here? >> the first couple of weeks, they were a problem there. not much of a problem now because you're somewhere between you're looking somewhere between 15 people. the last few 15 or 100 people. the last few i've seen, um, so they managed a lot better. the problem here in london is just a different level altogether. >> mhm, mhm. so what advice would you give to sadiq khan if you shoes. you were in his shoes. >> he's a career politician >> um he's a career politician so there's no advice i could give him all he cares about is being elected again . and we being elected again. and we don't have politicians who are willing to sacrifice their careers to improve the country very well. >> do you think that that's what lee anderson has done? >> i'm really pleased that lee anderson didn't apologise because that would have ruined

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that anti—semitism or islamophobe . the uk has islamophobe. the uk has reaffirmed its commitment to ukraine as the country's war with russia enters its third yean with russia enters its third year, £245 million has been promised to boost critical stockpiles of ammunition . the stockpiles of ammunition. the defence secretary says he's proud that since the invasion, the uk has trained 60,000 ukrainian troops, adding . that ukrainian troops, adding. that no one has done as much for kyiv than the uk. grant shapps says the west will keep going for as long as it takes to fight russian aggression, and this is a package help a package which will help to provide some of the artillery that's required , particularly on that's required, particularly on the front line, where russia has really production levels. >> so it's massively important now that we stop putin, it's going to cost us more. if he came further, not least , of came further, not least, of course, being terrible for the our ukrainian friends. but it would also be disastrous for the rest of the west . rest of the west. >> shadow defence secretary john healey says the war in ukraine

is a global fight. >> i think first to recognise that this isn't just putin fighting on the battlefield in ukraine. this is a diplomatic, economic and industrial struggle against wider russian aggression and we've got to have a broader uk plan to help defend ukraine and defeat putin. so that does mean tightening sanctions, as you say, closing supply chain loopholes and looking to seize the direct the russian assets that have been stolen to reconstructing ukraine. it also means ramping up our military support . support. >> meanwhile, the king and queen have praised ukrainians for their true valour. king charles also says he's greatly encouraged by the efforts of the uk and its allies in supporting kyiv at a time of suffering and need. kyiv at a time of suffering and need . although he spoke of shown need. although he spoke of shown the monarch was paying his respects at a ukrainian cathedral in central london,

where crowds later gathered to show their support for the country and its people . country and its people. commemorations began with an interfaith prayer and similar services have been held across the uk . in services have been held across the uk. in other services have been held across the uk . in other news, junior the uk. in other news, junior doctors in england have walked out for the 10th time since march last year over a pay dispute . the british medical dispute. the british medical association has asked for a 35% pay association has asked for a 35% pay rise, and the government says that's unreasonable. more than 1.3 million appointments and operations have already been cancelled or rescheduled since industrial action began . the industrial action began. the health secretary, victoria atkins , is calling for the atkins, is calling for the strikes to end, saying she wants to see doctors treating patients not on picket lines . not on picket lines. >> i want for this to be resolved . i've come to these resolved. i've come to these negotiations with nothing but good intentions and a genuine desire to find a reasonable solution for junior doctors, but also, importantly, for patients and the public and the taxpayer. so i still want to try and achieve that, but i can only do that if the junior doctors committee plays their part .

committee plays their part. walking out of negotiations in november was not reasonable . november was not reasonable. they know that i want to go further. in addition to the up to 10.3% that they have already received into their bank accounts , british airways has accounts, british airways has been rated as one of the worst airlines for passenger satisfaction. >> a survey by consumer group, which says the airline had the joint third lowest score for long haul flights. ba also received two out of five stars for boarding experience and value for money, but managed to achieve three stars for another six categories. the company says it was hit by several factors outside its control last year, such as industrial strikes by air traffic controllers and thousands of cards of support have been sent to king charles following his cancer diagnosis. yes, the monarch laughed as he read one of them, which had a disgruntled dog on the front, saying at least you don't have to wear a cone . around 7000 cars to wear a cone. around 7000 cars have been sent from around the world offering wishes , with

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from lee anderson mp. uh lee anderson mp said this in response following a call with the chief whip. i understand the difficult position that i put both he and the prime minister in with regard to my comments. i fully accept that they had no opfion fully accept that they had no option but to suspend the whip in the circumstances . however, in the circumstances. however, i will continue to support the government's efforts to call out extremism in all forms, be that anti—semitism or islamophobia . anti—semitism or islamophobia. well, joining me to discuss my panel broadcast and columnist lizzie cundy , and also trade lizzie cundy, and also trade unionist and political commentator andy macdonald, like the burgers, burgers like the burgers. yes. we've had a lot of people getting in touch. i mean, rita got in touch at gb news. com or gb views and she said, i only wish there were more mps likely anderson, who stands up for our country. likely anderson, who stands up for our country . andrew says for our country. andrew says tories really are toast. i look forward to their thrash in the general election. lizzie cundy i totally agree with those comments and to be honest, totally agree with those comments and to be honest , this comments and to be honest, this would never of happened if it if

the met police had taken action and you know when they had that projection from the river to the sea, i was disgraceful that he allowed that to happen without anyone being arrested and prosecuted for this. >> it's disgraceful that the useless home office, the useless police and sorry, useless mayor of london they're not taking enough action. and this would have never happened if they had. >> yeah. andy i mean, i agree with those comments. >> i think i'm looking forward to seeing the tories getting toasted at the next general election. >> but but rita says only wish >> but but rita says i only wish there more likely there were more mps, likely anderson, up for our anderson, who stand up for our country. i'm sure that rita country. um, i'm sure that rita does, but you said you agree with those comments. does, but you said you agree witii those comments. does, but you said you agree witii agree comments. does, but you said you agree witii agree with nents. does, but you said you agree witii agree withnentcomments >> i agree with the comments that should that i think everyone should stand our country. uh, stand up for our country. uh, but don't think necessarily stand up for our country. uh, but you't think necessarily stand up for our country. uh, but you know,( necessarily stand up for our country. uh, but you know, beingssarily that, you know, being anti—protest country that, you know, being an sayingest country that, you know, being an saying that country that, you know, being an saying that the country that, you know, being an saying that the mayoryuntry that, you know, being an saying that the mayor of itry or saying that the mayor of london is controlled by islamists particularly islamists is particularly standing country. standing up for our country. i think just a slightly think it's just a slightly libellous comment. >> yeah , yeah, i could see >> but yeah, yeah, i could see that that's not really probably the wisest way of saying but

the wisest way of saying it. but what he understanding what he is not understanding like a lot of people aren't understanding, is why the mayor of is not taking action of london is not taking action when people are behaving in a very yeah. very illegal manner. yeah. i mean, is he taking mean, why is he not taking action? andrew. the action? andrew. that's the point. he point. people are, you know, he doesn't metropolitan police. >> is em- police. >> is a commissioner of >> there is a commissioner of the police. is the metropolitan police. he is he's on the he's not down there on the ground of london, though, andy. >> the mayor of london and >> he's the mayor of london and he anything. he doesn't do anything. >> difficult for him to >> but it's difficult for him to react individual react to specific individual situations. don't situations. you know, you don't want politician getting situations. you know, you don't want pwith ian getting situations. you know, you don't want pwithian metropolitan involved with the metropolitan police due process, but that's a dangerous precedent. >> what you mean? well hold >> what do you mean? well hold on, he's the of london on, he's the mayor of london that of capital that is in charge of the capital city. something city. if there is something going illegal, going on that is illegal, especially something being broadcast big and broadcast on big ben and interfering with, you know, that's acceptable . that's that's not acceptable. it's illegal. his police it's illegal. and his police aren't doing what they're meant to be he's not really to be doing. he's not really interfering. telling them interfering. he's telling them to jobs. to do their jobs. >> they're not his police. to do their jobs. >> you they're not his police. to do their jobs. >> you know. 're not his police. to do their jobs. >> you know. theyyt his police. to do their jobs. >> you know. theyyt hi our lice. >> you know. they are our police. they're police. they're the they're london's not london's police. it's not semantics. >> you're playing with >> it's not. you're playing with semantics. he's playing with. >> that there has been >> i'm sure that there has been a i'm sure a police report, and i'm sure he's to let it follow its he's going to let it follow its due process. his right.

due process. it's not his right. so get involved in the so he should get involved in the due process. so he should get involved in the due pr he ss. so he should get involved in the due prhe should sit back >> so he should sit back when something is happening >> so he should sit back when so his hing is happening >> so he should sit back when so his capital is happening >> so he should sit back when so his capital city is happening >> so he should sit back when so his capital city because�*ning >> so he should sit back when so his capital city because as|g in his capital city because as you're saying, he he can you're saying, that he he can issue issue statements issue he can issue statements to condemn issue he can issue statements to condercan issue statements to >> he can issue statements to stand it. i'd encourage stand against it. i'd encourage him if. sadiq, if him to do so if. sadiq, if you're watching, i encourage you to do you know, there's to do so. but, you know, there's very do. very little you can do. >> you >> there's a report you shouldn't encourage him shouldn't have to encourage him to he should have done it. >> you know, i got caught up in the demonstrations. the pro—police, was literally pro—police, and i was literally scared. up pro—police, and i was literally sc.aed. up pro—police, and i was literally sc.a policeman up pro—police, and i was literally sc.a policeman and up pro—police, and i was literally sc.a policeman and said, up pro—police, and i was literally sc.a policeman and said, what to a policeman and said, what are going to do? and he are you going to do? and he said, we do anything said, we can't do anything because they're worried. they were it will incite were worried that it will incite more violence . the mayor of more violence. the mayor of london, this out of control london, this is out of control now. every weekend . and look now. every weekend. and look what happened . it was on what happened. it was on wednesday. you know, it's got we can't have mps that are scared to and feel intimidated and speaking the truth. >> what people are really feeling then people coming protesting outside his house. in your is that acceptable? your view is that acceptable? >> obviously there's always a line. >> is that acceptable ? >> is that acceptable? >> is that acceptable? >> but there's genuinely intimidating. can't remember intimidating. i can't remember the out of the exact well, they're out of what doing. so

what they were doing. okay, so if were waving flags if they were just waving flags and chanting, were waving flags. >> had megaphones. they flags. >> about d megaphones. they flags. >> about 601egaphones. they flags. >> about 60 toiaphones. they flags. >> about 60 toiaphofes. they flags. >> about 60 toiaphof them ey flags. >> about 60 toiaphof them out were about 60 to 80 of them out side around his house. is that acceptable? >> i believe the dorset >> well, i believe the dorset police as acceptable police viewed it as acceptable and legal. so yeah, it's not my position. not? no. position. i'm not? no. >> you, what do think? >> t- t— think? >> it's fine as long t— >> i think it's fine as long as you keep. you think it's fine if you keep. you think it's fine if you it respectful and you keep it respectful and legal. if you it legal. yeah if you keep it respectful and legal, if you're ex—girl boyfriend respectful and legal, if you're ex—girl to boyfriend respectful and legal, if you're ex—girl to hover boyfriend respectful and legal, if you're ex—girl to hover boyfrieryour decided to hover outside your house with megaphones >> speakers with about other >> speakers with about 60 other people complaining about you, you not. you don't you'd you not. you don't think you'd phone if i was an phone the police if i was an influential individual in the legislative body, it's completely different. >> no, it's not. >> no, no, no, it's not. >>— >> no, no, no, it's not. >> the principle of it >> it's the principle of it that's intimidation. he's not doing that house. his doing that in his house. in his house. dad or they house. he's a dad or they weren't his house. house. he's a dad or they werthey his house. house. he's a dad or they werthey were house. house. he's a dad or they werthey were oane. house. he's a dad or they werthey were on the pavement outside. >> no, no, no, you're not listening in his house. he's a father. he's a he is not. father. he's a dad. he is not. whatever this political figure is, his job. so when he is, that's his job. so when he gets home, there shouldn't be people outside house people outside his house protesting that's harassment. >> their right protest. >> it's their right to protest. it's harassment it's not harassment because they didn't no no. didn't continue. okay? no no. they no. there's they coming back. no. there's a

difference no no no. difference between no no no. thatis difference between no no no. that is a no. >> that is a bold statement. so if doesn't if somebody just doesn't hangs outside once and outside my house once and repeatedly megaphones, outside my house once and repeat�*say megaphones, outside my house once and repeatysay they're egaphones, outside my house once and repeatysay they're harassing;, outside my house once and repeatysay they're harassing me. would say they're harassing me. whether they've once, whether they've done it once, twice, is that different? >> because the dorset police, they as they didn't see it as harassment. >> as a safe and >> they saw it as a safe and legal process. >> they saw it as a safe and leg theyycess. >> they saw it as a safe and leg they ensured it was a safe >> they ensured it was a safe and legal. >> here we go again. why would they in that they interpret the law in that manner? somebody manner? listen if somebody outside my house with a megaphone other people megaphone and 60 other people complaining megaphone and 60 other people com|on ning megaphone and 60 other people com|on gbg megaphone and 60 other people com|on gb news, i would want to said on gb news, i would want to see arrested. they don't see them arrested. they don't do that. got family inside that. i've got my family inside there. why why? i'm sorry, there. why why? so i'm sorry, but doesn't. exactly. but that doesn't. yeah, exactly. i something i just want to read something that says. i'm that dale says. dale says i'm behind anderson. he spoke behind lee anderson. he spoke the the truth hurts the truth. and the truth hurts this said this country. robin said this, though i'd be interested to know if has considered the if mr khan has considered the impact weekly protests, impact of weekly protests, climbing memorials climbing on war memorials and openly flouting the law has had on rise islamophobia. on the rise in islamophobia. he quoted morning. so that's quoted this morning. so that's the thing . somebody is pointing the thing. somebody is pointing out that all the things that sadiq khan allowing you know, and protests are sadly and these protests are sadly half of them don't really know what they're protesting about. >> they don't know the real

facts the matter. that's the facts of the matter. that's the sad thing. and think the mayor sad thing. and i think the mayor of mayor of london, of london, mayor of london, has a responsibility to actually come i'm come out and say, look, i'm sorry happened, what sorry for what happened, what was big ben. why was projected on big ben. why isn't apologising isn't he apologising for that and going on every and all? what's going on every weekend ? i felt scared, i felt weekend? i felt scared, i felt intimidated , and a woman on intimidated, and a woman on a road i couldn't. you know, i was lucky to get here. nana it was awful. and um. i just don't see an end of it. i think he should be the one apologising what he's done to this , you know, city of oui's. >> ours. >> oh, yeah. he's. i'd say he's destroyed london. but what do you think? you probably don't think you think? you probably don't thirno, i think he's been >> no, i don't think he's been a great i think he's great mayor i don't think he's been is what i'm been a great mayor, is what i'm saying. he's been a great man. um, i think he's a um, i don't think he's been a great but think it's great mayor, but i think it's fair after him for fair game to go after him for his policies and the things that he's whether he's done. you know, whether it's or not done. it's or not done or not done. yeah, it's policy, you yeah, it's keep it policy, you know, go oh, you're know, don't go oh, you're controlled by islamists and you've given london your you've given away london to your mates. that's a quite a deeply personal. it's personal. yeah. well i mean it's people were saying that people people were saying that the had given people people were saying that the to had given people people were saying that the to their had given people people were saying that the to theirfriends had given people people were saying that the to their friends and! given people people were saying that the to their friends and soiven people people were saying that the to their friends and so on] deals to their friends and so on and so forth.

>> the covid and it turned out they would have been. they had they would have been. so, we're so, you know, we're not strangers people making strangers to people making comments that. agree that comments like that. i agree that he shouldn't maybe it, he shouldn't have maybe said it, but people are questioning why sadiq khan is not making sure that out london is policed effectively when ultimately the buck does stop with him and the and the police commissioner and the home office, of course. but ultimately policing ultimately the policing of the streets you know, streets is something, you know, he making he needs to be. he's making policies crime, which he needs to be. he's making po|isn't crime, which he needs to be. he's making po|isn't making crime, which he needs to be. he's making po|isn't making policieswhich he needs to be. he's making po|isn't making policies for, :h he isn't making policies for, like he like knife crime. he's not he doesn't appear doing doesn't appear to be doing anything. he's always ready for some to complain a some pr or to complain about a slur. he's not doing anything. >> i think he's a deeply >> i do think he's a deeply flawed mayor. i you know, useless. i wouldn't say useless, but he's flawed on but i do think he's flawed on a policy perspective. but that doesn't give anyone the right to go. everyone has the right go. well, everyone has the right to but doesn't mean to say it, but doesn't mean they're correct to say you're controlled by islamists. that's a clumsy. it's a a yeah, it's clumsy. it's a weird thing to say. >> he. what? lee is >> yeah, but he. what? lee is saying what you know, saying is what you know, majority of us are feeling and thinking. he he's probably the most honest mp . he really is most honest mp. he really is because he's he's speaking for

the people. and you know, we got rid of suella. there was another one that's you know said what we a lot of us were thinking . a lot of us were thinking. >> and you know she did see a quite large rise of illegal migrants coming to the country while under her ten years as home secretary. >> yes. and also, she did neglect police funding while she was home secretary. >> she wasn't great secretary. >> no, she did say a lot of >> no, but she did say a lot of what she said is true. there what she said is true. but there is invasion. are we have is an invasion. we are we have got that with all coming over. i mean, it's getting out of hand. it's lost control. >> if only she knew someone who was secretary to was home secretary for a year to do something i mean, do something about it. i mean, god, said the home god, look, i said the home office were useless and shambolic and sadly, the state of our country is now fallen on its knees for me. >> i think it's a very sorry >> and i think it's a very sorry day for lee anderson, he's one of the most honest, outspoken mps and need him. mps and we need him. >> well , i mps and we need him. >> well, i mean, some people would differ, but wendy would beg to differ, but wendy says that. we have a lee says that. can we have a lee anderson party? at we'd anderson party? at least we'd have someone who's prepared to say it as it is and give a voice

to the ignored . and michael to the ignored. and michael said, democracy is being silenced. you say silenced. you cannot say anything negative about the region or of peace without being shouted down by all the lefty sympathisers who have their own agenda. with the destruction of our society, hewitt says , what our society, hewitt says, what a huge mistake from the tories always been a tory voter. but now i'm off voting for reform . now i'm off voting for reform. labour are the hate party that's what he says, terry says. anyone being suspended for breaking. truth is on the side of the people, so a lot of support for lee anderson. but again, you know, even lee would admit that his clumsy. right his words were clumsy. right well, coming up to 16 well, it's just coming up to 16 minutes 5:00. this is gb minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on online and on news on tv, online and on digital radio. up, more digital radio. coming up, more on. guessed it. lee on. yes, you've guessed it. lee anderson

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channel. we are live on tv, onune channel. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . um, and if you just nana akua. um, and if you just tuned in, well, you've missed a lot. lee anderson has been suspended from the tory party after he refused to apologise for comments that he made a spokesperson for the chief whip has said following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday, chief whip has yesterday, the chief whip has suspended the conservative whip from mp . uh lee from lee anderson mp. uh lee said following a call with said this following a call with the chief whip. i understand and the chief whip. i understand and the difficult position that i've put both he and the prime minister in with regard to my comments. i fully accept that they no option but to they had no option but to suspend whip the suspend the whip in the circumstance forces. however, i will continue to support the government's efforts to call out extremism in all its forms, be that anti—semitism or islamophobia, islamophobia . so islamophobia, islamophobia. so joining me to discuss is political commentator reem ibrahim . um, hello, reem. uh, ibrahim. um, hello, reem. uh, right. well, reem, what are your thoughts on this ? thoughts on this? >> yeah. thank you. david, look , >> yeah. thank you. david, look, i actually do quite likely. i think he's a fantastic member of

parliament. >> i think that he generally speaking, always hits the nail of the nail on the head, especially when it comes to, uh, economic policy . i do especially when it comes to, uh, economic policy. i do think his choice of language here was quite , um, quite difficult . choice of language here was quite , um, quite difficult. i quite, um, quite difficult. i don't think it was necessarily the right thing to do . i do the right thing to do. i do think it was bordering on islamophobia to effectively saying that the sadiq khan had been allowing islamists, uh, that his mates effectively to take over london, that he had allowed this. i think it's an accurate it's wrong. i do also think that we need to be a little bit more nuanced about this. i mean, effectively, lee has always been a sort of known for using fight language, for using fight clumsy language, using language that isn't necessarily , uh, you know, necessarily, uh, you know, politically correct . and i do politically correct. and i do think that that that means that in he used in this instance, he used language that meant that it misconstrued he actually misconstrued what he actually meant. i think , though, you meant. i do think, though, you know, if he refused apologise know, if he refused to apologise , he has , , which it sounds like he has, uh, you know, suspending the tory whip , uh, for him is

tory whip, uh, for him is probably the thing to do. probably the right thing to do. i think, i mean, just i also think, i mean, just just off back the off the back of the conversation, you had earlier with lizzie and andy. do think with lizzie and andy. i do think we need to have proper we need to have a proper conversation about freedom conversation about what freedom of expression actually means and the the parameters in which the way the parameters in which we allow it to happen . you know, we allow it to happen. you know, gb news is fantastic , and i love gb news is fantastic, and i love it because you guys always stand up freedom of expression. up for freedom of expression. and i think that we need to not be hypocrites this be hypocrites about this pro—palestinian march should absolutely allowed go absolutely be allowed to go ahead. however, we can't have a conversation about the radical elements of those protests, which, by the way, i do believe are very, very small minority of those people. we can have a conversation about that and we can have a conversation about the that islamists have the threat that islamists have without being islamophobic . without being islamophobic. >> um, yeah. but you know, from the inbox what i'm getting is people saying at least he's standing up for what he believes in, because what you're getting a the is these a lot of the time is these politicians saying something, say something, and then suddenly, sort of suddenly, suddenly sort of saying, sorry , saying, saying sorry, sorry, even though they're not really

sorry do think people, sorry. so i do think people, people are about how sorry. so i do think people, peopfeel are about how sorry. so i do think people, peopfeel about about how sorry. so i do think people, peopfeel about things about how sorry. so i do think people, peopfeel about things ,about how sorry. so i do think people, peopfeel about things , ratheriow they feel about things, rather than people who are just going to whatever, whatever they to say whatever, whatever they think, listen , let's get think, well, listen, let's get on let's bring on nick on to let's bring on nick barclay, who is, uh, joining me now, barclay . what do you now, nick barclay. what do you think about that? that was reem. uh, her thoughts were that we need understand need to sort of, uh, understand or maybe put the parameters out for freedom of speech because it seems things people seems that some things people jump seems that some things people jump on and literally will call you an islamophobe or whatever it is to sort of silence. >> everybody wants >> you see, everybody wants freedom speech and freedom of freedom of speech and freedom of expression until hear expression until they hear something don't like. so at something they don't like. so at the we want freedom of the moment we want freedom of speech, apart from lee speech, but apart from lee anderson, he's not allowed to say the words he wants to use. he can't express his thoughts, his feelings, his ideas , using his feelings, his ideas, using the words he wants to use . we the words he wants to use. we clamp down on him now for that. this is almost the stage of soviet , um, russia, soviet union soviet, um, russia, soviet union . and your guest just said then , . and your guest just said then, political correctness. that's why that's what that is that you

can't say those things because they're not politically correct. they may be right, but you can't say it. >> um, well, i want to bring reem in again because she was alluding to that, and i wanted her to sort of finish what she was saying. reem so just we sort of went a bit weird. then there were three of me in the screen, and i heard myself back, and then you vanished. i think people at saw that, too. it people at home saw that, too. it was odd, wasn't three was pretty odd, wasn't it? three of nana are, um. >> seeing three of nana >> we love seeing three of nana all although all the better, although they're just it wasn't as just half of me, so it wasn't as good, but still. >> um, so just just finish your point making point because you're making a point because you're making a point freedom speech . point about freedom of speech. >> mean, we can't >> yeah. look, i mean, we can't be hypocrites about freedom of expression. we need to ensure that we're allowing freedom of expression . it's not just people expression. it's not just people that we necessarily with. that we necessarily agree with. and look, i mean, i think that many people that are on the pro—palestine got pro—palestine marches, i've got family that attended, family members that attended, some them who just felt some of them who just felt incredibly about the incredibly upset about the situation that's going on in gaza and in and in israel. i mean, my own mother attended marches and said know,

marches and said that, you know, she was there because she just wanted to show her solidarity and show how upset she was. exact with the iraq exact same issue with the iraq war and many other protests that have occurred historically. so i do think that we sometimes jump the gun and effectively use the minority of people who are not there to peacefully protest in order to ban everybody from doing it. and i think that's wrong. if we're going to be pro freedom of expression, we cannot just pro free speech for just be pro free speech for those that we agree with. otherwise, it entirely defeats the point. otherwise, it entirely defeats the well, . otherwise, it entirely defeats the well, listen, thank >> well, listen, ryan, thank you so that's ibrahim so much. that's reem ibrahim with uh, nick with her thoughts. uh, nick buckley, she's right . buckley, she said she's right. um, speech. but it we um, freedom of speech. but it we have to be able to hear things that we don't want to hear as well. what of well. that's what freedom of speech of speech speech is, freedom of speech isn't allowing people to talk that agree with. that you agree with. >> it's allowing people to talk that vehemently disagree with. >> but but it's freedom of speech within a democracy, and that democracy determines the parameters with which your freedom exists. it's not like an authoritarian or totalitarian state where you don't have any,

um, or autocracy, and somebody will just tell you what's going on. freedom speech is within on. freedom of speech is within a . and that's a democracy. and i think that's where often misunderstand where people often misunderstand or misread it. so or deliberately misread it. so people on these pro—palestinian protests will be shouting things from the river to the sea. but within, within our democracy, we say sort of thing say that that sort of thing is, is not acceptable. if you're being anti semitic or, or, you know, or whatever, know, islamophobic or whatever, that . so it's freedom that thing is. so it's freedom of but are of speech, but there are parameters always there's parameters, different parameters, there's different types parameters. types of parameters. >> of all you've got >> so first of all you've got the law. so something the law. so you say something that's against law . you risk that's against the law. you risk being other parameters being arrested other parameters will social norms . so that is will be social norms. so that is you legally can say those things. but if you say those things. but if you say those things may look down upon you things i may look down upon you for those things. and for saying those things. and that might be the risk. leandersson um, would, would take by using the phrases he used . he didn't break the law, used. he didn't break the law, but some people may say, i think slightly less of you now. other people may go. i think slightly more of you now for saying those things and being controversial

and sticking up for whoever you thought were sticking up thought you were sticking up for. there's different for. so there's different parameters on every single time we and we make those we speak and we make those judgements ourselves. was judgements ourselves. now, i was talking earlier and, um, i mean, andy saying that sadiq khan andy was saying that sadiq khan actually doesn't have the almost in a sense he shouldn't be interfering in things where the police are involved. >> would you agree with that? >> would you agree with that? >> no, he has the he has the power over the police, the mayors have also the police, crime commissioner. what mayors have also the police, crime commissioner . what the crime commissioner. what the mayors do is get involved mayors can't do is get involved in day to day policing or phone up the chief of police and go right now on tv. this is happening. i want you to do those things. can't do those things. they can't do that. mayor that. the mayor writes strategies policies . so if strategies and policies. so if the mayor writes a strategy to give the chief constable give to the chief constable saying handle saying this is how you handle this is what i want to see on demonstrations . that's the demonstrations. that's the directive the chief directive to the chief constable. and if the chief constable. and if the chief constable doesn't do what the mayor says, the mayor can sack the constable . the chief constable. >> has got control . well, >> so he has got control. well, joining me now to discuss this is labour mp stephen is former labour mp stephen pound. stephen pound, thank you

very much for me. this very much forjoining me. this afternoon. what are afternoon. stephen. what are your what's just your thoughts on what's just transpired lee anderson ? transpired with lee anderson? uh, whip removed? >> absolutely extraordinary success are in success that the tories are in like a death spiral. um you know, we all we all know that freedom that freedom to say something that offends no one is no freedom at all. and in lee anderson, they've probably of all they've got probably of all their who most their mps, the one who most connects a group of people connects with a group of people they're desperately trying to connects with a group of people they'r he's perately trying to connects with a group of people they'r he's peramantrying to connects with a group of people they'r he's pera man who; to connects with a group of people they'r he's pera man who actually keep. he's the man who actually reaches other people reaches across to other people and i have to say, for them to do this, uh, on the basis , as do this, uh, on the basis, as far as i can see, of one incident, is something which is premature, and it's quite simply makes them look desperate. >> look panicking. makes them look desperate. >:looks look panicking. makes them look desperate. >:looks as look panicking. makes them look desperate. >:looks as though look panicking. makes them look desperate. >:looks as though they've nicking. makes them look desperate. >:looks as though they've been|g. it looks as though they've been panicked. with the panicked. i don't agree with the anderson's politics, though, but by heavens i'll to defend the death the right for him to express and the express an opinion and for the tories to do this. >> it's bad politics. >> it's bad politics. >> bad freedom of speech. >> and i also think it's bad for a unique voice british a pretty unique voice in british politics, fair, politics, because to be fair, it's probably a good thing there's no one like lee anderson, isn't, but anderson, no, there isn't, but the is that what he

the argument is that what he said was islamophobic and sadiq khan him racist and khan even called him racist and things like that, which i, i don't conflate the two because islam is not a race, it's religion. >> but we. what are your thoughts on that particular aspect of it? i think the idea that sadiq khan , you know, that sadiq khan, you know, throwing that word around a bit actually demeans and devalues the word racist. >> is a real and >> racism is a real and pernicious foul poison . the pernicious foul poison. the minute you start using it in these sort of contexts, you actually devalue it and it destroys. >> it's like, you know, if you swear, then all the time. >> then when you do swear, it has no, no value. look, i as far as i know, lee anderson has made as i know, lee anderson has made a point. i'd like hear his a point. i'd like to hear his justification for it. >> some bit >> i'd like to hear some bit more side. more from his side. >> a feeling about the >> he has a feeling about the mayor of london. and let's face it, a criticism it, there's many a criticism that can be made quite valid. >> about khan. >> criticisms about sadiq khan. i would accept i think sadiq would accept himself know, not himself. you know, he's not a perfect human but for perfect human being, but for heaven's democracy, heaven's sake, in a democracy, do not have the right to do we not have the right to speak our minds? >> if something which is >> if he said something which is illegal, is actually illegal, which is actually inciting hatred , which inciting racial hatred, which is what says, if he's done

what the law says, if he's done that, then of course he should be up, chucked out of the be banged up, chucked out of the tory put in tory party and probably put in chokey. he's done nothing chokey. but if he's done nothing illegal, a different illegal, then that's a different matter and just matter altogether. and i just think really, think, are the tories really, really that desperate to get rid of their one genuine, authentic voice? >> do you think it's worth them sort of investigating sort of. sadiq khan's allegiances ? um do sadiq khan's allegiances? um do you think it's worth investigating that? not that we'd find anything. it'd be his own police force doing it. >> well, here's an odd thing, nana. 3 or 4 weeks, nana. in the last 3 or 4 weeks, certainly the certainly since the wellingborough by—election in particular, over a week ago, there's been has been there's been nobody has been defending party against defending the tory party against reform uk stronger than lee anderson. lee anderson has been going out there noon going out there morning, noon and saying ignore the and night saying ignore the blandishments uk, blandishments of reform uk, who've done very well in wellingborough, well in wellingborough, very well in kingston. wellingborough, very well in kin stick. the conservatives >> stick with the conservatives support conservatives. support the conservatives. so from party political from a purely party political point of view, it seems ludicrous that their greatest defender at the time and let's face many people face it, not many other people are out to defend are going out to defend the tories the resurgence of tories against the resurgence of reform uk.

>> a lot of tory mps are looking over and over their shoulder and wondering how much the annual membership is. you wondering how much the annual memlthat ip is. you wondering how much the annual memlthat and is. you wondering how much the annual memlthat and i is. you wondering how much the annual memlthat and i know is. you wondering how much the annual memlthat and i know that s. you wondering how much the annual memlthat and i know that for’ou know that and i know that for lee to have gone out and done that, just seemed be bad politics. >> but look, when we had a situation, labour party, we situation, the labour party, we have and we had have our own problems and we had a situation in rochdale. and a situation up in rochdale. and i say, keir starmer i have to say, keir starmer didn't precipitously. didn't act precipitously. he waited did an investigation. >> he did a drill down. did >> he did a drill down. he did due diligence and then he made a decision. seems that decision. it seems to me that lee all people, lee anderson, of all people, with all that done the with all that he's done for the tory sometimes, be tory party, sometimes, to be honest, i wish he didn't. but he's done it. deserves better honest, i wish he didn't. but he's this. it. deserves better than this. >> w a w- w— e a lot better than wow. >> wow. >> ex labour mp stephen pound. interesting from you. thank you >> ex labour mp stephen pound. intmuch1g from you. thank you >> ex labour mp stephen pound. intmuch forrom you. thank you >> ex labour mp stephen pound. intmuch for youryou. thank you >> ex labour mp stephen pound. intmuch for your thoughts.; you so much for your thoughts. right. this is gb news on right. well this is gb news on tv on digital radio. tv online and on digital radio. coming more anderson's coming up more on lee anderson's suspension. but first, get suspension. but first, let's get your latest headlines . your latest news headlines. >> nana. thank you very much. it's 531. your top stories from the gb newsroom. lee anderson has been suspended from the tory party it comes after the former

deputy chair said the london mayor had given the capital away and was controlled by islamists. the prime minister was under pressure to react after sadiq khan said his deafening silence was condoning racism . a was condoning racism. a spokesperson for the party's chief whip says the mp was suspended for refusing to apologise for his comments. in a statement , anderson apologise for his comments. in a statement, anderson said i fully accept they had no option but to suspend the whip in these circumstances. however i'll continue to support the government's efforts to call out extremism in all its forms, be that anti—semitism or islamophobia . the some breaking islamophobia. the some breaking news to bring you now the body of russian opposition leader alexei navalny has been handed over to his mother. he unexpectedly died in prison nine days ago. his death certificate suggested it was of natural causes. suggested it was of natural causes . his suggested it was of natural causes. his spokeswoman suggested it was of natural causes . his spokeswoman says causes. his spokeswoman says it's still not clear whether authorities will allow relatives to hold a funeral the way his family wants, and the way he deserves . the

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here in terms of compromise wise, if you like, you're listening to . gb views. listening to. gb views. >> good afternoon. 36 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua . digital radio. i'm nana akua. now. if you don't know this news, where have you been? because lee anderson has been suspended from the tory party after he refused to apologise to his comments, spokesperson for his comments, a spokesperson for the chief whip has said following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday, the chief whip has suspended the conservative whip from mp . in from lee anderson mp. in response, this response, lee said this following a call with the chief whip. i understand the difficult position that i have put both, he and the prime minister in with regard to comments. with regard to my comments. i fully accept that they had no opfion fully accept that they had no option but to suspend the whip in circumstances . however, in these circumstances. however, i will continue to support the government's efforts to call out extremism in all forms, be that anti—semitism or or islamophobia

. well, joining me now is danica mccarthy , columnist at the mccarthy, columnist at the independent and former special adviser to michael gove, charlie rowley, charlie rowley, i'm coming to you on this. right. well, you know, lee anderson's been suspended. i've got so many comments on my in my inbox telling me how they're all in support of lee anderson. i have yet to find one that's, uh , yet to find one that's, uh, saying otherwise. >> um, and i think, look, you know, the reason why he's been suspended is because i think some of the language you some of the language was, you know, as most people know, i think as most people have said, it's a little have also said, it's a little bit a little bit loose. bit clumsy, a little bit loose. it in it could have been put better in terms wording. terms of the wording. but i think the reason why there's pressure to suspend him is obviously mps obviously because tory mps have come to criticise him, not come out to criticise him, not least paul least for sajid javid paul scully, a front runner scully, who was a front runner to the conservative party's to be the conservative party's candidate london. to be the conservative party's canso ate london. to be the conservative party's canso talking london. to be the conservative party's canso talking about london. to be the conservative party's canso talking about how�*ndon. to be the conservative party's canso talking about how this]. >> so talking about how this particular kind of language has increased tensions rather than trying de—escalate it, which trying to de—escalate it, which is what you should always be trying politician. trying to do as a politician. >> words do matter. >> so words do matter. >> so words do matter. >> matters. >> language matters. >> language matters. >> right. a of >> but you're right. a lot of views have in to say views have got in touch to say that sentiment of what lee that the sentiment of what lee was to articulate one

was trying to articulate is one that, um, know, is something that, um, you know, is something that, um, you know, is something that to that we should be open to talking you we talking about. you know, we should talking about should be open to talking about communities the diversity communities and the diversity and that and the challenges that sometimes that brings and challenges seeing, challenges that we're seeing, particularly in london under a completely mayor sadiq khan. >> well, what about stephen pound's comments that actually sir keir starmer took time to find out what had actually gone on with his mps. >> and then only then did he act on deciding whether he's going to fire someone or suspend someone and, uh, literally within moments, the tory party have just sort of suspended lee anderson quickly without i mean, l, anderson quickly without i mean, i, you know, what do you think of those comments? >> um, well, i don't agree with stephen on that because obviously they've had an opportunity talk lee. opportunity to talk to lee. they've asked him to apologise, and obviously said no. and and he obviously said no. and that's been suspended. and he obviously said no. and that�*by been suspended. and he obviously said no. and that�*by lee's been suspended. and he obviously said no. and that�*by lee's own zen suspended. and he obviously said no. and that�*by lee's own statement ded. and by lee's own statement there, sort of says he agrees there, he sort of says he agrees that he's left the leadership of the leadership the party leadership and the chief no but to chief whip no choice but to withdraw him. but withdraw the whip from him. but he'll the he'll continue to support the government. sure you government. and i'm sure in, you know, passes and when know, time passes and when actually, you know, lee will

have as a as an have time to reflect as a as an mp without the whip, now that he will that whip back mp without the whip, now that he wi some that whip back mp without the whip, now that he wi some stage, that whip back mp without the whip, now that he wi some stage, if that whip back mp without the whip, now that he wi some stage, if he it whip back mp without the whip, now that he wi some stage, if he it that'syack at some stage, if he if that's what he wanted. >> monica. yeah, very >> monica. yeah, i'm very disturbed . disturbed. >> what charlie just said. he said that the sentiment of what lee was, was, was lee anderson said was, was, was worthy. i grew worthy. any discussion? i grew up in ireland. we were very blessed with what views we were very blessed. yes. so much. yes. i that when grew i understand that when i grew up in we a jewish in ireland, we had a jewish mayor lord mayor of cork, a mayor of lord mayor of cork, a jewish mayor, lord mayor of dublin, jewish tds and if dublin, three jewish tds and if anybody said they were controlled, the lord mayor of cork was controlled zionist cork was controlled by zionist extremists. be outrage, extremists. there be outrage, outrage. but had he and quite rightly what he said had he ignored what lee anderson , what ignored what lee anderson, what lee anderson said today, that the mayor was controlled by the islamic extremists, that is raw islamic extremists, that is raw islamic phobia. >> the person that you're describing, had he ignored the projection of anti—semitic messages ben , the mayor messages on big ben, the mayor of london? >> view , if we're talking >> in my view, if we're talking about free speech and lee anderson is against free speech because he wants the mayor of london to step in and get rid of

the peaceful marches in london. and what's wonderful about know what's wonderful. >> hold on, hold on, hold on. >> hold on, hold on, hold on. >> let me finish the point, please . please. >> no, no, because you made a point that isn't quite correct. he hasn't said that. he's kind point that isn't quite correct. hesaying said that. he's kind point that isn't quite correct. hesaying said that he's kind point that isn't quite correct. hesaying said that sadiqzind point that isn't quite correct. hesaying said that sadiq khan of saying that. that sadiq khan isn't responding to isn't really responding to certain issues. and so he's wondering he's in the pockets wondering if he's in the pockets of people . of other people. >> i think my understanding is lee is against the lee anderson is against the continuous peaceful in continuous peaceful marches in london on palestine. he's london on on palestine. he's against and wants the london on on palestine. he's againsto and wants the london on on palestine. he's againsto act. and wants the london on on palestine. he's againsto act. ind wants the london on on palestine. he's againsto act. i think nts the london on on palestine. he's againsto act. i think that's; london on on palestine. he's againsto act. i think that's a mayor to act. i think that's a that's a free speech issue. i think what we have to remember, what's what's what we have to remember about these marches is that they are i watched the scenes from palestine and i break my heart. i bowl on my eyes out . and what those eyes out. and what those marches, for six marches, including me for six weeks, for three months, have been calling for a ceasefire. what's really positive of is not all the political parties now what's really positive of is not all the |that cal parties now what's really positive of is not all the |that in. parties now what's really positive of is not all the |that in parliament,ow support that in parliament, which means that those peaceful marches are achieving their objective to call for a ceasefire, to stop the killing in gaza . in gaza. >> i wahaca dr mo khaki mccarthy

. i was going to corey mcdonald because the other one was donald joe mccarthy. don't joe mccarthy. i don't eat hamburgers, tony hamburgers, charlie. tony hamburgers. tell you're hamburgers. don't tell me you're a well. hamburgers. don't tell me you're a a well. hamburgers. don't tell me you're a a vegetarian of course i >> i'm a vegetarian of course i am. look how fit i am. >> well, listen, before lee anderson had the whip removed, here's the mayor of london, here's what the mayor of london, sadiq had say . sadiq khan, had to say. >> comments from a senior conservative or islamophobic are anti—muslim and are racist. i'm unclear why rishi sunak why members of his cabinet aren't calling this out and aren't condemn this . it's like they're condemn this. it's like they're complicit in this sort of racism. and i think the message it sends is muslims are fair game when it comes to racism and anti—muslim hatred . it's not anti—muslim hatred. it's not good enough. in 2024, in the united kingdom , he's saying not united kingdom, he's saying not calling that out , and they're complicit. >> yet he's not really calling out the stuff with big ben and all that kind of stuff. so i don't know. but let's welcome some of our great british voices

as their opportunity on as their opportunity to be on the us what they the show and tell us what they think topics we're think about the topics we're discussing got four. discussing today. i've got four. i'm julie in i'm going to start with julie in bedfordshire. right. well, bedfordshire. julie right. well, it's anderson bedfordshire. julie right. well, it's what's anderson bedfordshire. julie right. well, it's what's your anderson bedfordshire. julie right. well, it's what's your thoughtson bedfordshire. julie right. well, it's what's your thoughts on it? day. what's your thoughts on it? >> um, i agree actually with what said , um, a what stephen pound said, um, a little while ago where realistically this is his opinion . opinion. >> varne he's entitled to his opinion . opinion. >> i can absolutely see why they've removed the whip from him, but he's under no obugafion him, but he's under no obligation to apologise if he believes saying. believes in what he's saying. >> i also agree with the >> and i also agree with the fact that i think word fact that i think the word racism being used completely racism is being used completely and incorrectly here. it and utterly incorrectly here. it isn't racism when someone's talking about religion. religion isn't a race you've already isn't a race as you've already pointed out. so i think it's a shame had whip shame that he's had his whip removed. ultimately he removed. but ultimately what he said i haven't spoken to anybody myself who's disagreed with him. >> . mhm. well, well let's go >> mhm. mhm. well, well let's go to david in watford. thank you for that julie. >> nana. >> hi nana. >> hi nana. >> actually i agree with what >> uh actually i agree with what juue >> uh actually i agree with what julie said and what i said, but what i'd like to point out sadiq khan has kept quiet about every form of attack on the uk , in the

form of attack on the uk, in the process leading up to this comment by lee anderson . comment by lee anderson. >> if he was a genuine , decent >> if he was a genuine, decent person , then he would not allow person, then he would not allow what has been going on by anyone. >> and then the first thing he does as soon as anyone calls him out, he calls them a racist . out, he calls them a racist. that's the sign of a true racist i >> -- >> he's not british. >> he's not british. >> he's not british. >> he doesn't support britain. >> he doesn't support britain. >> and i think hopefully he'll be a d elected or whatever you want to call it. >> the elections . >> come the elections. >> come the elections. >> well, would probably argue >> well, he would probably argue that trying to protect . the that he's trying to protect. the people of london and, and that he's calling lee anderson out for islam phobia, which that's what sees. um, let's go to what he sees. um, let's go to jonathan. uh, there in cornwall. i haven't got my tea. jonathan >> ah, i'll send you some more nana. i think that's what they're missing, actually, is a good cup of tea. they need to sit talk and sit down and talk about it and be more open with us about be a bit more open with us about why they've been suspended and, you magical you know, demystify this magical process people for process of suspending people for free speech. it's ridiculous, isn't it ?

isn't it? >> do you think? yeah. well thank you for that. interesting thoughts. and lastly, let's go to brian brian dougans in solihull. brian where ill um, i think that , uh, the tory party think that, uh, the tory party clearly are trying to distance themselves from what he has said. >> clearly there's not at no one in the country . and this is the in the country. and this is the party that he's a, an mp for. >> there's not nobody in the country who disagrees with lee anderson. there are many people in the country who disagree with lee anderson. it's quite dangerous what he has said. um i think it's very clear you can say and nana have the utmost respect for you, and you can quite rightly point out that it's not racist , it's it's not racist, it's islamophobic. it's not racist, it's islamophobic . um, and that's islamophobic. um, and that's what's at issue here. um and it's and i think it's really dangerous. and this normalisation of what he has said is equally dangerous. um . said is equally dangerous. um. now, you can agree with him if you like. that's your absolute

right. and point of view. and everybody does have the right to free speech, but we don't have the right to be islamophobic in our language and in our actions. and you are correct. >> but just to just clarify what brian, brian, my point there. brian. my point there was that sadiq khan had called this, that he was being racist and i was pulling him up on that and saying that that's not racist. he could have if you can call it out, if you think it's islamophobic, that's fair enough. but islam is not a race, which is what what i called which is what i what i called out. all right. thank you so much. do hold much. brian. do you hold jonathan jones cornwall? i jonathan jones in cornwall? i haven't cup. i'm so haven't got my cup. i'm so sorry, david in sorry, jonathan. david barbe in watford and julie in bedfordshire. to bedfordshire. lovely to talk to you. are the great british you. those are the great british voices. your thoughts? you. those are the great british voice hear your thoughts? you. those are the great british voice hear your your thoughts? you. those are the great british voice hear your voices thoughts? you. those are the great british voice hear your voices gb ughts? you. those are the great british voice hear your voices gb views’ let's hear your voices gb views at this is gb news at gb news. com this is gb news coming up more on lee anderson

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just tuned in 49 minutes after 5:00, this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. welcome on board. now lee anderson, as you know, if you if you don't know, where have you been? but he's been suspended from party. he refused from the tory party. he refused to comments that to apologise for comments that he spokesperson for the he made a spokesperson for the chief whip said following his refusal to apologise for comments made yesterday , the comments made yesterday, the chief whip has suspended the conservative whip from lee anderson mp. uh lee said in anderson mp. uh lee said this in response following a call with the whip. understand the the chief whip. i understand the difficult that i've put difficult position that i've put both and and the prime both me and he and the prime minister in with regard to my comments, i fully accept that they had no option but to suspend the whip in these circumstance cases. however, i will to support the will continue to support the government's efforts to call out extremism in all its forms, be that anti—semitism or islamophobia. so let's welcome again to my panel, broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. and also trade unionist andy mcdonald. ah the camera . uh, mcdonald. ah the camera. uh,

yes. andy i think it's andy's. is it your turn to go next? probably mostly. who knows. all right i'll first. who knows? right, i'll go first. who knows? calling mcdonald . all calling andy mcdonald. all right, you right, andy, i'll give you a little about, um, bruce . little thing about, um, bruce. bruce of course, he bruce says here. of course, he was going suspended, but was going to be suspended, but he . right. so people he is. right. so people are saying, steve says, clumsy on his words. i don't think he's clumsy. he's not afraid to speak as good on him for as he finds and good on him for it . it. >> i think bruce maybe knows something that we don't. you know, no one's quite been able to prove that sadiq khan is controlled islamists. as lee controlled by islamists. as lee anderson alleged. so, bruce, get in know , i'd love to in touch. you know, i'd love to see you know, how he's right. >> that sadiq is controlled >> that sadiq khan is controlled by islamists. >> well, you know, but but i think the point that lee is making that even despite making is that even despite all the you the various things where you would someone to step would expect someone to step up and things, they and stop these things, that they are carrying on. some of the are carrying on. so some of the way marches been way the marches have been policed, know , whilst policed, um, you know, whilst they're they've gone for the far right to get them or whoever they're far right, they're calling the far right, but they're allowing but yet they're allowing the protests to carry on, even though it feels as though a lot

of those are anti—semitic. do you know what i mean? the projection ben. so projection onto big ben. so tobias house, mean, tobias ellwood's house, i mean, these going on. these things are all going on. well, fairness, you know, well, in fairness, you know, tobias it was his tobias ellwood house, it was his dorset property. tobias ellwood house, it was his dorso property. tobias ellwood house, it was his dorso pibitzrty. tobias ellwood house, it was his dorso prll out of. >> so a bit out of. >>— >> so a bit out of. >> no, no, no, i'm just >> yeah. no, no, no, i'm just listing but question listing things. but my question would is mark rowley in would be where is mark rowley in all this? know, you all of this? you know, you couldn't remember name. all of this? you know, you ccouldn't remember name. all of this? you know, you ccouldn't familiar. er name. i couldn't be familiar. >> that's that's the issue. you remember where remember his name? where is he? >> you remember his name? i told you well, correct. well, you you as well, correct. well, you know, i'm just me. >> a regular person. >> i'm a regular person. >> i'm a regular person. >> mark why? why >> if mark rowley. why? why isn't london? as i isn't the mayor of london? as i said, mark rowley doing more this happened to this wouldn't have happened to lee met lee anderson if the met police had you know, stopped this had had you know, stopped this awful behaviour, these hate marches and the terrible wording up on big ben. where were they? why couldn't they stop the projection ? why couldn't they projection? why couldn't they just put a card in front of it and say, right, come on, come away can't they away with me? why can't they act? why can't they anything? act? why can't they do anything? yeah, becoming broken, yeah, we are becoming broken, lawless britain and i'm scared to go out now . and that's, you to go out now. and that's, you know, this is a terrible times we're in. and i want to know another thing. is lee

another thing. why is lee anderson suspended and not keir starmer being looked at into bringing the influence , um, to bringing the influence, um, to lindsay hall because that why isn't he being brought to task. why starmer and lindsay hoyle with regard to the discussions in that debate, why why is nobody so why is lee anderson you must love being deflected ? you must love being deflected? >> i assume that there will be a referral and a complaint to the parliamentary standards committee, and there will be an investigation, no. investigation, but no. >> well, should be brought >> well, he should be brought to task. >> @ there will be. >> i'm sure that there will be. well, when backbenchers i don't know i well you think don't represent the parliamentary standards the thing is >> you know what the thing is though, thing though, >> you know what the thing is thou�*it? thing though, >> you know what the thing is thou�*it? it thing though, >> you know what the thing is thou�*it? it just thing though, >> you know what the thing is thou�*it? it just seems. g though, >> you know what the thing is thou�*it? it just seems. yeah.|gh, isn't it? it just seems. yeah. okay. you know, can take okay. you know, you can take it that anderson of that lee anderson was out of order. you know, he's accepted. his clumsy. his his words were clumsy. his sentiment was that basically nothing done for things nothing is being done for things where you would expect some action. feels action. so it feels like somebody the pocket of somebody in the pocket of somebody in the pocket of somebody else. does, to somebody else. it does, even to me. i'm thinking you'd think, why nothing being done about why is nothing being done about these the these marches? so that is the sentiment . but the question is, sentiment. but the question is, where rowley? why is he where is mark rowley? why is he not up? and also keir

not speaking up? and also keir starmer be looking at this starmer must be looking at this and great, and thinking, that's great, because to because people are going to forget the week. >> exactly , exactly. >> exactly, exactly. >> exactly, exactly. >> that's the whole >> that's that's the whole thing. the original thing. you know, the original motion was about gaza. >> labour speaker love >> the snp labour speaker love triangle influence thing that distracted away from that motion i >> -- >> now lee anderson's comments have distracted away from that thing. i mean, ijust wonder what the next big thing that will away from lee will distract away from lee anderson ever happened. >> the labour >> bizarre. yeah the labour people, things people, when these things go on like happened speaker people, when these things go on liwhat? happened speaker people, when these things go on liwhat? nothing.»ened speaker people, when these things go on liwhat? nothing. yenerknow, eaker . what? nothing. you know, there's no big outrage. it always seems to be swept under the keir is the carpet. so keir starmer is quite he kept you know, quite he kept on, you know, under radar for everything. under the radar for everything. it's quite annoying. >> to get away with it >> he seems to get away with it like you know all that. like beergate you know all that. he with keir he gets away with it. keir starmer, slippery . oh um starmer, he's so slippery. oh um well listen. >> oh crikey. just realised >> oh crikey. i've just realised that running of time. >> oh crikey. i've just realised tha my running of time. >> oh crikey. i've just realised tha my gosh.nning of time. >> oh crikey. i've just realised tha my gosh. nningsuddenly me. oh my gosh. just suddenly realise. listen , realise. listen. well listen, it's been entertaining. it's been most entertaining. most quickly read most interesting. i quickly read one of john says this is one of these. john says this is a . to take pressure a sideshow. to take the pressure off situation. off the speaker situation. exactly saying, exactly what we were saying, john says anderson john stephen says lee anderson is the he loves is a man of the people. he loves his and love him. his country and we love him. his no approach saying

no nonsense approach to saying what everybody else is feeling. and aaron the and finally, aaron says the quickest to win quickest and easiest way to win a debate in this country now is to be offended to unfortunately be offended by what says what somebody else says who doesn't views . doesn't agree with your views. there is no speech unless there is no free speech unless you what they let you. yeah, you say what they let you. yeah, it that way. well, listen, it feels that way. well, listen, thank much my panel, thank you so much to my panel, andy to lizzie andy mcdonald and also to lizzie cundy you at home for cundy and to you at home for your company. i will be back tomorrow. same place. tomorrow. same time, same place. 3:00 kelly and christine 3:00 danny kelly and christine hamilton be joining me hamilton will be joining me there. join then. take there. please join me then. take care enjoy your day . care and enjoy your day. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boiler oilers, sponsors of whether on . gb news. of whether on. gb news. >> hello. good evening . welcome >> hello. good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather and greg dewhurst. we'll see some frost and fog forming through tonight, but we do have some heavy rain moving into southern parts of england and wales as we go through sunday and into monday. courtesy of

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the court showing her support in defence of assange and the freedom of the press. and finally , i'll be joined by finally, i'll be joined by doctorjohn finally, i'll be joined by doctor john campbell to look finally, i'll be joined by doctorjohn campbell to look at doctor john campbell to look at whether white fibrous clots, which are being found by coroners , are actually an coroners, are actually an indication that we may be facing a new disease in this country. all of that in the company of my panellist , friend, presenter, panellist, friend, presenter, commentator tanya buxton. but first, an update on the latest news from tatiana sanchez . news from tatiana sanchez. >> neil, thank you very much and good evening to your top stories from the gb news room. lee anderson has been suspended from the tory party. it comes after the tory party. it comes after the former deputy chair said the london given the london mayor had given the capital away and was controlled by islamists. the prime minister was under pressure to react after sadiq khan said his deafening silence was condoning racism. a spokesperson for the party's chief whip says the mp

was suspended for refusing to