to join reform uk.7 as anderson to join reform uk? as nigel farage says lee anderson would be welcome in reform uk, so should he join the party and finally break loose from the tories? then should politicians have bodyguards ? as it's have bodyguards? as it's revealed private companies are providing mps with security after intimidation by pro—palestinian activists. so should we increase the security for our elected representatives and is there any place for diverse party and inclusion in the army ? i think we all know the army? i think we all know the army? i think we all know the answer to that. only ten female recruits started the infantry and royal armoured corps basic training last year. so is it realistic for these inclusion targets which impact the strength of our armed forces and then our labour leaders? hypocrites again, we know the answer to that. one, two and la reina pockets a tidy profit from the sale of a council house that she bought under the right to buy a policy that she now wants to scrap. so our labour leader is guilty of double standards, and we'll finish off this and then we'll finish off this hour is he right to

hour with trump is he right to be hard on prince harry as the republican front runner attacks the duke of sussex for his betrayal of the late queen and pledges to clamp down on his immigration status should trump go after prince harry. well, that's coming up in the next houn that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gb views gbnews.com or tweet me at gb news. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> very good afternoon to you. i'm pip tomson in the gb newsroom. labour is demanding assurances that suspended mp lee anderson won't have the whip returned. the former deputy chair is still refusing to apologise for saying that the london mayor was controlled by islamists. shadow cabinet office minister jonathan ashworth has now written to the prime minister to confirm that he won't be allowed back into the party. deputy prime minister oliver dowden says he does not

believe anderson is believe mr anderson is islamophobic, and told camilla tominey that while it was right to remove the whip, he could not say whether it would be returned. is he going to be allowed back into the conservative party if he shows more contrition . more contrition. >> well, that's a matter for the chief whip . but we've set out chief whip. but we've set out the reasons why the whip withdrawn. was that failure to apologise? that's a matter you can't rule out him returning, having the returned. >> he may have the whip returned, will he? if he apologises, i certainly i, i, i, i certainly wouldn't rule that out but that's a matter for the chief whip . chief whip. >> another debate on gaza will be held in the commons after the chaotic vote last wednesday day. the snp says it will take up the speaken the snp says it will take up the speaker, sir lindsay hoyle , speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, offer of a meaningful debate on a new ceasefire motion. there was uproar after he allowed mps to vote on a labour amendment leading to calls for his resignation . snp westminster resignation. snp westminster leader steven flynn says his party will seek to move the

debate forward. that will push parliament to support what he describes as concrete actions . describes as concrete actions. the uk launched another round of airstrikes overnight against houthi targets in yemen in a joint operation with the united states. 18 sites were hit across eight locations. the ministry of defence says precision guided bombs were used against drones and launchers . it follows and launchers. it follows a surge in attacks on commercial ships in the red sea it's the fourth time the uk has been involved in strikes against the iranian backed group since mid—january . migrants have been mid—january. migrants have been intercepted trying to cross the channel for the first time in a week. more than 230 people were found on five small boats and were later taken to the border force processing centre in dover . sources suggest that as many as 12 boats could attempt the dangerous crossing today to take advantage of the brief window of better weather, an action group has won its fight over plans to house asylum seekers in cumbria , house asylum seekers in cumbria, despite a serious housing

shortage in the millom area, eight properties were earmarked for 40 migrants. it sparked backlash in the community, with police forced to increase patrols after one house was vandalised . in a letter seen by vandalised. in a letter seen by gb news, the home office has now ruled that the site is not fit for asylum seekers . as dean for asylum seekers. as dean myers from millom community action group told us, it's a huge relief the community has just been totally confused . just been totally confused. >> we didn't know who was actually coming into to the hmos . uh, no one consulted us and it just sparked a bit of anger. i think donald trump is another step closer to becoming the republicans presidential nominee i >> -- >> it's after he beat nikki haley in her home state of south carolina , claiming 60% of the carolina, claiming 60% of the vote. it's his fourth straight primary win despite being engulfed in legal problems as an even bigger win than we anticipated. >> and . i was just informed that >> and. i was just informed that we got double the number of

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also political commentator suzanne evans. so let's kick things off wherever you can join in. gb views. our gbnews.com, or tweet me at gb news. first, lee anderson has been offered a place in the reform party by nigel farage after he was stripped of the conservative whip . nigel remarked that the whip. nigel remarked that the party would open up its doors to saying i'm just. just think saying i'm just. i just think lee has a very good heart. he's still relatively new at politics. he's had a few ups and downs, but i think it's heart is in the right place and he'd be a massive help to the cause. he'd probably feel happier in reform than is in the current than he is in the current conservative party so would you advise uk? right. let's let's reform uk? right. let's let's see what my clashes think of that. see what my clashes think of that . i'm see what my clashes think of that. i'm going to start with you, susanna. >> of i'm someone >> well, of course, i'm someone who asked by nigel to who was asked by nigel farage to join few years ago. so join ukip. a few years ago. so lee's suppose, a similar lee's i suppose, in a similar kind situation, although kind of situation, although i hadnt kind of situation, although i hadn't been chucked out of the conservative at that conservative party at that at that of course is that stage, which of course is effectively what's happened to lee, suspect if he lee, although i suspect if he decides with the decides to stay with the conservatives, will only be conservatives, it will only be temporary. so do it?

temporary. so will he do it? i guess that's up to him. there's nothing stop him doing it. nothing to stop him doing it. people exercised about people get very exercised about people what people jumping parties, but what they that lee anderson they forget is that lee anderson was elected an as lee was elected as an mp as lee anderson not as anderson and not as a conservative. he might have had conservative. he might have had conservative on the ballot papen conservative on the ballot paper, but when it comes to electoral law, it's he who was elected. so effectively he has the right to be whichever the right to be in whichever party chooses to be or no party he chooses to be or no party he chooses to be or no party at all. um, is it worth his while? i don't know , he's his while? i don't know, he's not got a very big majority as conservative. >> he's got a six short of a 6000 majority. >> the local independents are snapping at his heels. he might not feel it's worth the risk. he might think he'll struggle to get re—elected as a conservative, but perhaps he'd struggle even more at reform. they're not exactly at the moment, um, you know , riding moment, um, you know, riding high in the polls. reform is popular among a certain wing of the of the, i think. >> well, i think where lee anderson is in ashfield, i think that they probably snap at him to if he joins reform, i think they he might well i think there

ashfield sorry they elected the man not the party but what do you nigel. you think nigel. >> i think that nigel. >> well i think that nigel. >> well i think that nigel. >> farage right. he >> nigel farage is right. he probably be in probably would be happier in reform would with the reform than he would be with the conservative um, it really conservative party um, it really depends lee wants to do depends on what lee wants to do next. mean, i think that next. i mean, i think that unless apologises , why should he? >> though? he's not sorry about. well, he's clearly not sorry, but. but what we now say it just to make what we now know is that this slip of the tongue. >> otherwise, if it had been, he'd have apologised for it. >> but why should he, though, if he's not sorry? >> mean, even if he even >> well, i mean, even if he even if he has to apologise if you said he has to apologise and then we'll it back to him. >> but then it's just a disingenuous apology that, that people for. people are calling for. >> it would seem be the >> well, it would seem to be the fact hasn't apologised. and fact he hasn't apologised. and that's mean. it had that's what i mean. if it had been slip of the tongue and he been a slip of the tongue and he thought i didn't really express myself terribly i would myself terribly well, i would have words have chosen those words differently a chance differently if i'd had a chance to. that would be fine. mean, to. that would be fine. i mean, at the moment, lee anderson doesn't have any political career um, so without career left. but, um, so without an won't have the an apology, he won't have the tory won't restored.

tory whip it won't be restored. he able to stand in he won't be able to stand in ashfield the general election. >> i don't if that's true, >> i don't know if that's true, though, because we've had several before when people several cases before when people have they haven't have lost the whip, they haven't necessarily but it's necessarily apologised, but it's been thinking, for been restored. i'm thinking, for instance, in the conservative party, those mps that decided party, of those mps that decided they were going to oppose brexit, lost the whip. brexit, they all lost the whip. they taken back into they all were taken back into the without having to apologise. >> yeah, mean, but they >> yeah, i mean, but they weren't back. that's >> yeah, i mean, but they werpoint. back. that's >> yeah, i mean, but they werpoint. some back. that's >> yeah, i mean, but they werpoint. some were 1. that's >> yeah, i mean, but they werpoint. some were 1. that back, the point. some were taken back, some left. >> yeah, but can happen then. >> yeah, but it can happen then. >> yeah, but it can happen then. >> you could restore the >> so you could restore the whip. in situation like whip. but in a situation like this actually got got this we've actually got got a real issue about saying sorry a bit like jeremy corbyn is now out of the labour party. so there are lots more reasons why jeremy corbyn was out of the labour party. >> i mean, lee is saying what a lot of people are thinking but haven't been dared to express it. >> okay. but i mean that obviously it's a value judgement whether you think what he said was islamophobic racist. um, was islamophobic and racist. um, personally i do. obviously personally i do. and obviously the conservative party, the chief whip , has taken the same chief whip, has taken the same view , which is why he lost the view, which is why he lost the whip unless he effectively

retracted those words and said, sorry for saying them. so when it comes down to the original question, why not join the reform? why not join reform ? um, reform? why not join reform? um, again, the same problem applies that reform, even if they maintain their current support at around 1,013, they won't return a single mp to westminster after the general election. >> i think i think that's that's right. and but perhaps he's taking the view that he's done his time in politics. he's got a very high profile here on gb news. he's a very popular presenter. maybe he's decided he's had enough. after one short time in office that is not unheard of. he might be very comfortable at home in reform. he has more of an he might feel he has more of an ideological connection with the reform party rather than the conservative as it has conservative party as it has become. um but, you know, i, i think i like to think that a lot of us have achieved a lot in politics without actually being elected. it's possible . elected. it's possible. >> won't he be, though, if he does say, okay, he's switched to reform, won't he be the only mp

in parliament now? because until the end of the conservative. >> yes. that's right. >> yes. that's right. >> i mean, so he'll be in parliament if he wins his parliament and if he wins his seat with reform then he could keep he could be he would carry on. i think he's more on. yes. and i think he's more likely to keep his seat if he leaves party leaves the conservative party and you not say. >> well, i mean, i mean, certainly he would remain. >> he can he can change parties while he's he would then while he's an mp. he would then be, um , the mp reform all be, um, the mp for reform all the through the general the way through to the general election. at the moment, the election. but at the moment, the way the polls are looking under the first past the post system , the first past the post system, he probably almost certainly wouldn't get elected. >> he might have a better chance if he did what douglas carswell and reckless did when they and mark reckless did when they left the conservative party and joined ukip, and they stood down and in their and held by elections in their constituencies and, of course, both of them originally both of them were originally returned parliament in those. returned to parliament in those. >> carswell did >> and douglas carswell did win at general election were the at the general election were the one, ukip mp . but bear one, the one ukip mp. but bear in mind you had in those in mind you had 15% in those days the vote. days of the vote. >> i think you know , looking

>> so i think you know, looking at the two parties that seem almost exactly the same, the tory and the labour party tory party and the labour party feel two socialist parties, feel like two socialist parties, which richard which is something that richard tice to . i think that tice alluded to. i think that actually lee might actually lee anderson might probably chance probably have a better chance to, to, win his seat with to, to to, win his seat with reform because i don't think the tories get very tories are going to get very far. but so what do you think gb views and gb news. com tweet views and gb news. com or tweet me news. we'll carry on me at gb news. we'll carry on the theme because for the theme with mps because for fear of attack, more and more of them using private security them are using private security to them close to provide them with close protection their protection in their constituencies. amid warnings that conflict that the israel—hamas conflict is generational radicalising is a generational radicalising moment. so should politicians automatically be given bodyguards to. i'll pose this to you, nigel nelson . you, nigel nelson. >> not automatically. no. um, no . what should happen is that there is a security review every year by the police. um, they decide which mps are under threat and what the security arrangements should be for that mp. so for instance, northern ireland secretary does tend to get, um , protection for years , get, um, protection for years, years after they leave office.

roy mason, who was a labour northern ireland secretary, managed to keep it up for 30 years. and he did it because he liked having a car drive him liked having a car to drive him around place. so he did it around the place. so he did it on the of making anti—ira on the basis of making anti—ira speech just before the security review. and so he kept his his bodyguards , guards. as other bodyguards, guards. as for other mps, if the threat warrants having a bodyguard. yes they should have one. >> but how do you measure that, though? do you wait? because, for example, someone like david, sir david amess, nobody. he would have even thought that he needed protection. and needed any protection. and obviously happened needed any protection. and ob him. ly happened needed any protection. and ob him. um, happened needed any protection. and ob him. um, tobias happened needed any protection. and ob him. um, tobias ellwood d to him. um, so to tobias ellwood , camped his , people camped outside his house pro—palestinian house with pro—palestinian protests like that. protests and things like that. other mps have their homes, other mps have had their homes, their constituencies firebombed and things like that. it's you we're acting afterwards. >> it's an assessment, and it's an assessment that's done by security services based on intelligence, done by the police, based on the threat that they perceive it to be. so no, you're right, it's not an exact science, but you get some idea

of mps who are particularly under threat and that's the ones i've listed, though. >> would probably not be on the list, is the point. so if you think about it like jo cox wouldn't be on this list of supposed security checks and sir david amess wouldn't have been on out, would probably on and out, would probably wouldn't on. so that's why asked. >> i think this is a very difficult one. i agree with nigel. i don't think mps should get automatically, get bodyguards automatically, but are clearly but i think there are clearly circumstances that the circumstances that we that the security or the police security services or the police do about. and then do come to know about. and then i it's inevitable. all i think it's inevitable. all nigel farage always had bodyguards, ukip bodyguards, which of course ukip and his private backers funded for him because he was clearly threatened on a daily basis . i threatened on a daily basis. i was with him on occasion when i saw a mob try to get to him, and it was absolutely terrifying . it was absolutely terrifying. but i'm also really quite a little bit cross about this too, to be honest. nana because who caused problems of mps not caused the problems of mps not being particularly in the being safe, particularly in the current climate? you've got massive anti—semitism, you've got rise in islamophobia as well. you've got mps who are

under attack quite often from terrorist threats, who let these people into our country . people into our country. >> well, some of them we've grown ourselves, some of them we've grown ourselves , we've we've grown ourselves, we've grown of them ourselves as grown some of them ourselves as well . well. >> um, and how often do we hear of attacks? and they're known to the authorities. so why weren't they locked up? why weren't they prosecuted? they locked up? why weren't they pro because that's not how this >> because that's not how this how the system works at the moment. have, moment. am m15, m15 have, um, finite resources. so they have a list of people around about 2500 who do stay on that list and are kept a fairly close eye on. the trouble is, that's the maximum they can get to. so when a new when a new threat comes on the horizon, they have to drop one of the old ones. so when that old one comes back and launches a terrorist attack situation where not even allowed to where we're not even allowed to talk threat, is talk about this threat, which is exactly we've just been talk about this threat, which is exactly about,'e've just been talk about this threat, which is exactly about, lee just been talk about this threat, which is exactly about, lee anderson, talking about, lee anderson, because in this position because he's in this position where talked about where he's talked about a particular issue. >> now, not agree with >> now, you might not agree with him or not, but i'm absolutely

defend his right to say what he wants to say. we have got a problem in this society. there is in is violence everywhere. and in a sense, talking about whether or not mps need bodyguards is not actually addressing real actually addressing the real issue. is how the issue. the real issue is how the heck has this country got to a situation nation where we have constant death threats against mps , where where we feel they mps, where where we feel they need have bodyguards? there need to have bodyguards? there has been massive towards has been a massive shift towards violence intimidation and violence and intimidation and terror in our society, and i think it sounds a bit trite, but i think a lot of that's come from social media. i think the time come to say nobody time has come now to say nobody can be anonymous on social media. vitriol, hatred, media. the vitriol, the hatred, the horror, the threats. you have no idea. >> i go along with that entirely. i think the point entirely. i think the only point where disagree there is where i would disagree there is what we to deal with is the what we have to deal with is the immediate threat, and that's the immediate threat, and that's the immediate threat, and that's the immediate threat to the mps at the , when it comes down the moment, when it comes down to the cause of it and how to deal with that, that's a bit more of a long terme, long terme effort. >> it is again, i suppose you could so. we give all mps could say so. we give all mps bodyguards what happens then? uh, criminals our society

uh, the criminals in our society are going to go off to are probably going to go off to their families. think that's a their families. i think that's a danger well. really their families. i think that's a dari er well. really their families. i think that's a dari do well. really their families. i think that's a dari do thatell. really their families. i think that's a dari do that anywayly their families. i think that's a dari do that anyway . look, if >> i do that anyway. look, if somebody's nasty so look at somebody's nasty and so look at those people. >> we they've done it in >> we know they've done it in the past, but look at those people outside. >> ellwood which >> tobias ellwood house, which i have no idea whether that was allowed. i'm sorry, but people trying oh, it's trying to justify, oh, it's okay, mean, did okay, because i mean, what did you that, nigel? do you you think of that, nigel? do you think acceptable? no, think that's acceptable? no, it's acceptable. it's not acceptable. people to protest house. protest outside your house. >> no isn't. >> no, no it isn't. >> you don't think it is not acceptable? i mean, it's acceptable. why did the police think it's acceptable? >> ordinary citizens >> mps are are ordinary citizens who families and they who have families and they should started should be protected. started protesting outside parliament is a matter. certainly protesting outside parliament is a not matter. certainly protesting outside parliament is a not outside r. certainly protesting outside parliament is a not outside someone's not. not outside someone's private ridiculous. private home. it's ridiculous. >> you imagine >> i have no idea. you imagine i always say this. i keep saying this. going to an this. imagine me going to an ex—boyfriend's with ex—boyfriend's house with placards and flags and loud placards and flags and a loud speaker a couple of my speaker and a couple of my mates, and harassing him at the doorstep i'd be doorstep whilst his i'd be arrested and i'd arrested. so arrested and i'd be arrested. so why weren't they? it's ludicrous. but listen, you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb tv, online and on gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up as

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undermining combat effectiveness after it emerged that the military has 111 diversity champions, is 111 diversity champions, is 111 diversity champions and advocates. champions, is 111 diversity champions and advocates . and champions and advocates. and this comes as the decision to allow women to join the frontline army fighting units has been described as a failed exercise in political correctness. after the government figures revealed that only ten female recruits started infantry and royal armoured corps basic training last year, so is there any place for diversity and inclusion in the army? well, to start with, you , army? well, to start with, you, suzanne evans. i mean, just very briefly , very briefly. we don't briefly, very briefly. we don't want to take this out. i don't want to take this out. i don't want bins out. i want to take the bins out. i don't really want to fight in combat unless can wear combat unless i can wear stilettos. really good stilettos. my really good looking vest you're looking sort of vest and you're right, probably right, they probably wouldn't recruit exactly. i'd be recruit you exactly. and i'd be running going, hey, that running around going, hey, that would worked would have worked out. >> would be. no, >> it would be. but no, i wouldn't this is wouldn't actually, no, this is a specific job. >> you know, i do think this idea that you can be anything you want, you can do anything you want, you can do anything you an absolute you want is an absolute nonsense, and nonsense, actually. and there's nowhere see more, nowhere where you see that more, more don't think on

more bluntly, i don't think on kind showbiz like the kind of showbiz shows like the x factor, people you want to factor, when people you want to be singers and they be superstar singers and they actually cut the tone deaf and can't a thing, know, can't sing a thing, you know, there that people there are some jobs that people are at and some that are good at and some jobs that people bad at, and we all people are bad at, and we all have to do what we think we can do. the is like that. do. and the army is like that. and it's a particularly important job because you're talking about security of our country and you're talking about people you need fit. people you need to be fit. you need brave, and you need need to be brave, and you need to be strong. um, and nana, you probably cut probably wouldn't cut it my level, i think you could level, though. i think you could surely have another job all the surely have anotherjob all the things you just said. surely have anotherjob all the thiri've'ou just said. surely have anotherjob all the thiri've gotiust said. surely have anotherjob all the thiri've got onesaid. surely have anotherjob all the thiri've got one ofd. surely have anotherjob all the thiri've got one of those. i'm >> i've got one of those. i'm fit, brave, i'm strong. so fit, i'm brave, i'm strong. so do i would do you know what i would actually love? i would love to be like, i would do territorial army something like that. army or something like that. i would love the would love it. i love the assault courses and everything. i all that. well, it. i love all that. well, do it. but not going to because but i'm not going to because i've a nice job here. nigel. i've got a nice job here. nigel. >> all right. okay on sundays you a problem you have a bit of a problem going to go and do your going out to go and do your training, wouldn't you? yeah. um, there be diversity um, should there be a diversity in inclusion? of course there should every should be. in every organisation. organisation organisation. every organisation

should have a diversity and inclusion policy. i agree with suzanne, there suzanne, that the there is a point there. it mustn't point there. um, it mustn't reduce the operational effectiveness of army . i get effectiveness of the army. i get that there's no reason why women can't serve on the front line. i mean, the israeli army for instance, is largely made up of young women. um, but but the when it comes down to, um, these 111 diversity officers is the kind of thing they're sorting . kind of thing they're sorting. it is lgbt. there's no reason why why a gay man or woman can't fight equally well. >> what's that got to do with fighting? that's my question. which got to do with recruiting. yeah, but what's that got to do with it? like i get it. oh, you want people who this want some people who like this and some people who look like that actually, i argue that actually, i would argue that actually, i would argue that real that those people are the real racists or the real ones. if they're looking for someone with specific characteristics, irrespective their ability, irrespective of their ability, because ends because that's what it ends up being. just, well, you're being. you're just, well, you're doing as you would do doing the same as you would do in any organisation. doing the same as you would do in (you're anisation. doing the same as you would do in (you're anis'trying to >> you're just trying trying to broaden of staff base. broaden the kind of staff base. and that's diversity and that's what diversity and inclusion is about.

>> the only person that >> but the only person that needs that kind of training or the that needs to the only person that needs to be, think there should be, uh, i think there should be blind entries actually, blind cv entries actually, because prejudice because where that prejudice will exist would be, say, in the hr department, where they might be cutter be recruiting cookie cutter people the people who look exactly the same way and but everyone way they are. and but everyone has inbuilt thing has a sort of inbuilt thing where recruit people are where you recruit people who are , are similar you in some , who are similar to you in some way. yeah. i don't think way. yeah yeah. so i don't think it's necessary. i think there should be blind cvs you should be blind cvs and you don't make don't need to make specifications what specifications as to what someone needs be black. no. yeah >> and also to say, look, everyone's welcome in the army. you think you can cut it in the army? you apply. that doesn't take message take 111 people that message out. insane. out. it's insane. army recruitment haven't been recruitment targets haven't been met for the last 13 years. that is an appalling indictment of just how badly the recruits it's being done. and arguably, i think possibly also just how badly the our politicians seem to have run down our army and made it weak and made it ineffectual and put this focus on diverse city and inclusion and, you know, can you be a

female? can you be gay in the army? yes, you can, but for goodness sake, let's start talking our army up again, making it an attractive, wonderful career, something that that people be proud of . that people can be proud of. instead of going on and on about how an army is something terrible, we don't need it. the kind of snowflake that war kind of snowflake idea that war is well, i'm sorry, it is dreadful. well, i'm sorry, it is dreadful. well, i'm sorry, it is dreadful, but sometimes it's necessary . necessary. >> other thing is >> well, the other thing is there 111 of people, there are 111 of these people, and the bottom line is the reason why the women probably don't want to join the army is because there's levels of sexism and got stories abuse and you've got stories of abuse that's what they're there for. >> but they're there to >> yeah, but they're there to deal of thing. deal with that kind of thing. >> all they know but 111 of >> but all they know but 111 of them know what you need are people actually change people who actually change policies the to make policies within the army to make sure women anyone can sure that women or anyone can join, job. join, and this is their job. >> mean, there's no diversity, >> i mean, there's no diversity, and inclusion means you and inclusion just means you want people. want more black people. >> more white people, >> you want more white people, people tattoos on there. people without tattoos on there. >> overall aim. but >> that's the overall aim. but the of these diversity the job of these diversity champions got champions is they've got a particular make particular specialities to make sure the army isn't discriminating against certain people. i mean, you people. i mean, when you

discriminate everybody discriminate against everybody because it , because nobody's joining it, they've been a failure. >> i'm not talking about that, though. that's not about discriminating saying discriminating. what i'm saying is made the army a is that if they made the army a place for people want to be, place for people to want to be, so say, give veterans better pensions, look after the pay. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> look after the who were >> look after the staff who were there. look after their wellbeing and mental health instead of spending a fortune on these 111 people that are just going for certain visual going to look for certain visual characteristics that you have a lot, a lot of it is about things like that. >> it's not, though. is. >> it's not, though. it is. >> it's not, though. it is. >> it's not, though. it is. >> i mean, you're making that up now. no, i'm not. you don't know that. >> go back to the example i was giving of a of a gay soldier that until 2000, was that up until 2000, it was a criminal offence to be gay in the armed forces for which you could be martialled could be court martialled and end prison . right. >> well, we'll move that policy, isn't it? well they have they've they've all that. they've changed all that. >> a but you it >> but there's a but you it takes a while to get rid the takes a while to get rid of the residual bias against gay people. what these people. and that's what these people. and that's what these people are there to do . so there people are there to do. so there are other ways. there are other

areas where there's been a problem um , uh, problem we can't get, um, uh, people from the commonwealth to join the intelligence corps because they're not passing the security vetting. they're not passing it because you you have to be, um, resident in britain for five years before you, before you can take the security vetting. now they're looking at can we reduce the time? this seems to me sensible, kind of reforms that that's what these people are doing. >> well, that was one of it. but i'm sure they were loosening some of the other checks as well, which is not good. i just don't get why you need to be saying someone needs to be a woman, or someone needs to be this, or gay straight, or we this, or gay or straight, or we need people. we need need some trans people. we need and not working. is it? and it's not working. is it? because people are looking, because the people are looking, going, i don't want to be in this because there'll be this thing because there'll be no pension me something no pension for me if something happens. there is, but it's happens. oh, there is, but it's not very good if something happens looking. happens to me, nobody's looking. i'm going to look after me. that is the army should be is what the army should be focusing paying people better. >> i know people in the armed forces who are actually

increasingly annoyed at the emphasis kind woke emphasis on the kind of woke culture. they're culture. exactly they're furious about and what i'm about it, actually. and what i'm heanng about it, actually. and what i'm hearing is, you know, the sort of talk about what of hierarchy we talk about what we're diversity and we're doing for diversity and inclusion, not inclusion, but actually it's not really actually really like that. and actually it's fine. and most women who go into the army can put up with a bit of it's not the bit of sexism. it's not the end of world. it really isn't. of the world. it really isn't. >> but why should they? >> but why should they? >> well, i don't think you can listen, i don't. >> where draw the line exactly? >> it never ends flirting. >> it never ends flirting. >> that right or is that >> is that right or is that wrong? most meet wrong? um, most people meet their partners in the their future partners in the forces they. when they forces when they. when they join up. you know, you can push up. so, you know, you can push it far. this. and it becomes it too far. this. and it becomes a terrifying place to work when you're not even in the front line. >> well, listen, that's the thing. if they're going do thing. if they're going to do that, just spend money that, just spend more money on combating that, combating things like that, rather want rather than saying, we want females, we want black people, we people with tattoos we do want people with tattoos on face. don't want any on their face. we don't want any white in the air force or white men in the air force or whatever it was they were doing. maybe, should just maybe, perhaps they should just focus the army a place focus on making the army a place for everyone and anyone so that it's place to be. but it's a good place to be. but right now, this is news.

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made £48,500 of profit on her excuse . castle house, thanks to excuse. castle house, thanks to the right to buy policy. uh, she now wants to reform. now, there's obviously no no discussion that she's done anything wrong by that. but critics say that the labour's deputy leader wants to pull up the ladder to make it harder for others. other social housing tenants to benefit in the same way that has. actions way that she has. her actions follow a long running criticism of sir keir starmer, who wishes to a vat on private school to put a vat on private school fees his grammar fees even though his grammar school converted into a fee school was converted into a fee free paying school when he was still a pupil there. and i think his fees were paid. so nigel and susanna, what do you make of this? i'll start with you, nigel nelson . nelson. >> well, first of all, this idea. know we're election idea. we know we're an election yeah idea. we know we're an election year. like this year. when stories like this come and angela gets accused come up and angela gets accused of hypocrisy , which is complete of hypocrisy, which is complete nonsense. why ? nonsense. well, why? >> is it nonsense? >> why is it nonsense? >> why is it nonsense? >> nonsense. because >> it's nonsense. because because, um, everybody, we were saying mps are saying earlier that mps are people too, and they have to they go along with the government system of the day. so

so, um, it may well be that, that they would like to change tax rates, but they pay the tax that actually the rate as it is now, all angela rayner was doing, she wasn't even an mp at the time . um, she took advantage the time. um, she took advantage of right to of margaret thatcher's right to buy her. her bit was 25% off. that was the rule there. um, the tories have changed that in 2012 to 60% off when the labour come to 60% off when the labour come to power, they will review whether that figure is actually fair. the fact that she did all this, you know, um, nearly sort of 20 years ago does not seem to me particularly hypocritical. she had every right to do it, as you said. and why not? >> well, because now she's an mp and she's in a position to make it easier for people like herself and the things that she benefited also the benefited from and also the labour supposed labour party is supposed to be helping working helping the sort of working class, as it were. why why is she pulling the drawbridge? she pulling up the drawbridge? suzanne that seems suzanne evans well, that seems to be exactly doing to be exactly what she's doing now. >> she's obviously nothing >> she's obviously done nothing wrong. said, that's >> she's obviously done nothing wrongthat's said, that's >> she's obviously done nothing wrongthat's quite aid, that's >> she's obviously done nothing

wrongthat's quite clear.iat's quite that's quite clear. personally i think margaret thatcher off thatcher was wrong to sell off all council houses. i think all the council houses. i think we those houses for we needed those houses for people who were poor, who couldn't afford a market rent, needed somewhere to live. i think was one her secret think it was one of her secret socialist in this sense. on this one, but i think one, i am actually, but i think it was wrong because we need those that they could those houses so that they could afford it. >> the poorer people were able to the ladder. so to get up top on the ladder. so why is that wrong? >> that's fine, because we didn't every council didn't replace every council household house. so household with a new house. so basically happened is that basically what happened is that a taken of the a house was taken out of the marketplace. now, you marketplace. and now, as you know, have massive housing know, we have a massive housing shortage, never going shortage, which were never going to able to fulfil what to be able to fulfil what particularly we've still particularly not we've got still got 750,000 people coming into the year. so the country every year. so angela nothing angela rayner has done nothing wrong . hypocrisy. yes. i think wrong. hypocrisy. yes. i think she is hypocrite. um, you she is a hypocrite. um, you know, labour have constantly talked about, about, as you say, stopping this discount and making it smaller when they've already benefited. it's exactly the same as the grammar school thing that you mentioned in your introduction. how many labour mps green benches

mps sitting on the green benches went to grammar school and now actually don't others to actually don't want others to benefit that same education benefit from that same education andifs benefit from that same education and it's a nasty vindice active politics. and, and i have to disagree, nigel, with you saying , you know, there's an election coming up so people are talking about this where nothing about this where there's nothing in it. i'm afraid this is good old fashioned journalistic bread and actually delving and butter, actually delving into gritty of into the nitty gritty of people's arrangements people's housing arrangements always and it's always always comes up and it's always something. >> it's just. but >> well, yeah, it's just. but it's interesting. election it's interesting. it's election year michael has year that michael ashcroft has decided book where decided to write this book where the is, is contained the revelation is, is contained in this particular, particular year and takes a huge interest in angela rayner sort of personal circumstances . the personal circumstances. the point i'm making is why ? why can point i'm making is why? why can you not want to change a policy just because you may have benefited down the road because it doesn't look good, does it? >> it stinks. >> it stinks. >> it stinks. >> it doesn't look good. but realistically about it, why hasn't she? >> why did when she was talking about this, didn't she say about this, why didn't she say i have to admit, hands up. honestly, i benefited from this. i that now. i'll give

i regret that now. i'll give some of the money to charity. she hasn't done any of that, has she? >> it's a lot of that about just said, she's kept quiet about it. >> she's not talked about it. it's been lord ashcroft's investigation that's brought this yeah, think this all to light. yeah, i think if going push a policy if you're going to push a policy that benefits you in some way that it benefits you in some way , it doesn't have to be honest. >> doesn't benefit her. >> it doesn't benefit her. >> it doesn't benefit her. >> mean, this is well, it >> i mean, all this is well, it has all this is in the past, so i can't see and i can't see why she shouldn't have done it. >> if that was the existing system at the time. >> if that was the existing sys'we're: the time. >> if that was the existing sys'we're note time. >> if that was the existing sys'we're not saying she >> we're not saying she shouldn't it. what i'm shouldn't have done it. what i'm saying she should have been saying is she should have been open honest open and upfront and honest enough talk about it. instead enough to talk about it. instead of all having come out in of it all having to come out in a book. >> well, i mean, i don't think it was a secret. um, but it was ever a secret. um, but i mean, whether you actually talk about your personal about all your personal circumstances you're circumstances is when you're trying new laws, trying to bring in new laws, i don't know, mean, i, um, it's don't know, i mean, i, um, it's only very recently we've seen a bit of the tax returns of people like the prime minister and the leader of the opposition, like the prime minister and the leader othez opposition, like the prime minister and the leader othe law josition, like the prime minister and the leader othe law changed. because the law changed. >> they to >> and so they now have to pubush >> and so they now have to publish their tax returns.

>> a recent thing >> but it's a recent thing i mean, that people didn't didn't do you know, and mean, that people didn't didn't do not you know, and mean, that people didn't didn't do not againstyou know, and mean, that people didn't didn't do not against the know, and mean, that people didn't didn't do not against the idea', and mean, that people didn't didn't do not against the idea of nd i'm not against the idea of transparency. i just think it would be a bit odd to actually say right list everything say right to list everything you've for the last 20 you've done for the last 20 years, in it has a bearing years, in case it has a bearing on a policy about bring in. on a policy about to bring in. >> that's not point, is >> but that's not the point, is it? fact is she's she's it? the fact is she's she's looking at a policy that will take away something that she's benefited directly, which benefited from directly, which has to do lot has enabled her to do a lot of the done. and the things she's done. and that's beneficial that's actually very beneficial for the 60% discount. >> she benefited from was >> what she benefited from was a 25% discount. >> it also seems that she, >> and it also seems that she, uh, despite the fact got uh, despite the fact she got married and her husband had another she another house, it also seems she kept council house that kept this council house that she'd bought. and until a period had gone by, she could make the full benefit from it, despite the fact that they'd got another property. >> and she may not have been living in it again. >> there's nothing slightly. >> there's nothing slightly. >> not just nothing illegal >> it's not just nothing illegal about anything illegal. about done anything illegal. >> it's again, it's not >> yeah, it's again, it's not illegal, it's she was illegal, but it's she was clearly very canny in the way she did this. i think she she did this. and i think she should have been open

should have been much more open and honest it. well then and honest about it. well then arguably a canny deputy prime minister, no fool. >> mama didn't raise no fool with angela rayner be sure. with angela rayner to be sure. yes, she's. she's made some good moves i just think moves for her. but i just think it's bit, it doesn't it's a bit, uh, it doesn't really leave very nice taste really leave a very nice taste in people's mouths if you've benefited and then then benefited from it. and then then those are coming after you those who are coming after you don't benefit because don't benefit on it because you've changed rules. so you've changed the rules. so that good all. that doesn't look good at all. but do think? gb views that doesn't look good at all. butnews. do think? gb views that doesn't look good at all. butnews. com think? gb views that doesn't look good at all. butnews. com orthink? gb views that doesn't look good at all. butnews. com or tweet gb views that doesn't look good at all. butnews. com or tweet me views that doesn't look good at all. butnews. com or tweet me atews that doesn't look good at all. butnews. com or tweet me at gb gb news. com or tweet me at gb news. next up though, as donald trump accuses prince harry of betraying queen betraying the late queen and pledges down on his pledges to crack down on his illegal on his legal status . illegal on his legal status. sorry, the us, is he right to sorry, in the us, is he right to be so hard on

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pubuc said what the majority of us public saying. steve i public are saying. steve says, i think lee anderson join think lee anderson should join reform. conservative party reform. the conservative party are a treacherous bunch that have abandoned thousands of ex—council lives like me. yes, i'm sure, lee says. lee anderson, lee's says lee anderson, lee's says lee anderson is a breath of fresh air. he is outspoken in articulating the views of a number of people in the country, and many of whom have no time for mayor and he says lee for mayor khan, and he says lee anderson should leave the tories . they do not deserve him. and carol says, yes, i definitely think lee anderson should join reform uk. speaks how it is reform uk. he speaks how it is for british people and i think he guts to say what everyone he has guts to say what everyone else thinks now this else thinks right now with this government. london government. it's the london mayor that should be suspended and he's running and sacked. he's running london to assess pit. a lot of people . to assess pit. a lot of people. we're looking for other people, other views. if you think that, uh, differently, please other views. if you think that, uh, in differently, please other views. if you think that, uh, in touch.:erently, please other views. if you think that, uh, in touch. we'd.y, please other views. if you think that, uh, in touch. we'd like .ease other views. if you think that, uh, in touch. we'd like to se other views. if you think that, uh, in touch. we'd like to hear get in touch. we'd like to hear them. far, that's not them. but so far, that's not what getting. donald what i'm getting. donald trump. next has said that next up, trump has said that prince harry will be on his own if trump wins a second time if he trump wins a second time this year. the former president criticised for what he criticised harry for what he called unforgivable betrayal

called an unforgivable betrayal of elizabeth ii and, uh, of queen elizabeth ii and, uh, mr trump said that joe biden's administration had been too gracious to the duke of sussex since he moved to america in 2020. so is trump right to be hard on prince harry? i'll come to you, suzanne evans. >> oh, crumbs. i think we've all earned the right in britain to be hard, and possibly in america as well, hard on prince as well, to be hard on prince harry. i mean, there's no doubt he's running country he's been running our country down. he's trashed the down. um, he's he's trashed the royal uh, sour grapes. royal family uh, sour grapes. doesn't even come close to. i think we're seeing from think what we're seeing from prince harry. and he's obviously now in this legal case now embroiled in this legal case which has been brought in america because they're saying he shouldn't allowed to stay he shouldn't be allowed to stay in the in the usa because he's a confessed in his book, 'spare' to taking drugs. he confessed to taking marijuana and cocaine and magic mushrooms. now, of course, for anyone else in america, they'd be turfed out of the country and not allowed in. if they confess to taking drugs. so i think there's a very good argument here. why is harry still allowed to stay there?

arguably he shouldn't be. or perhaps everyone else that's confessed to drugs and confessed to taking drugs and has been kept out of america now has been kept out of america now has very good argument to be has a very good argument to be let in. >> nigel nelson um, i think that prince harry should be treated absolutely like anybody else . absolutely like anybody else. >> um, he should neither be favoured for his visa application , nor should he be application, nor should he be penalised because of who he is. if the rules are you, keep your application private, then i think it's quite right that his application should be private. equally he shouldn't be getting help from the from the current administration . so he should be administration. so he should be an ordinary citizen when it comes to the drugs bit. there is a waiver on the on the visa where you can wear , you can say, where you can wear, you can say, yes, i have taken drugs. you ask for the waiver and they give it to you . for all we know he did that. >> i don't think so. >> i don't think so. >> well, well, this is what they're trying to find out. the reason for trying to make the visa application public in the pubuc visa application public in the public interest is did he answer? yes to that question or

did he say no? i've never taken drugs in which case we've had the problem of what he said in the problem of what he said in the book. >> but then they're saying his lawyers currently saying lawyers are currently saying that with book you're allowed that with a book you're allowed to yeah that's a to embellish. yeah that's a weird argument. >> is genuine , a >> that's a that is genuine, a weird argument. but enough. the one would be surprised one thing i would be surprised about is if harry would about about is if harry would have drugs have confessed to taking drugs in the book, knowing that that that could jeopardise his stay in america. >> yeah, because he has said that these some of the things he's taking are now used as part of his recovery and all that. >> so in places where he may have got the waiver is the point i'm making. they actually knows he's got the waiver, but there's no reason why public should no reason why the public should see application. no reason why the public should see shouldation. no reason why the public should see should see]. no reason why the public should see should see the public >> he should see the public interest here. issue because if you did go to america and if he didn't have that waiver and then he confesses in the book, i think people have a right to know , i really do. there is a know, i really do. there is a very strong public interest argument here, i think. and as

for immigration and authorities saying, well, you know, application private, come application is are private, come on. harry doesn't want anything about his life kept private. he's laid it bare for us to all see, including, you know, what he does with certain types of day cream on certain parts of his body. >> i mean, give me the extent to which this man has gone to basically say, i don't want any privacy. >> it's quite astonishing, quite astonishing. >> well , yes. astonishing. >> well, yes. i mean, he does want privacy. one of his basic things is the has been the president keep his mouth shut, his constant battle is against press intrusion. i'm not saying that's right. >> by the way, i've got to stop you there when you say he doesn't, he does want privacy. if want privacy, you if you want privacy, you probably wouldn't do something. on winfrey, who on oprah winfrey, who is a global tv star, expose your global tv star, to expose your family. not privacy. if family. that's not privacy. if you you'd you wanted privacy, you'd probably netflix all probably not do a netflix all encompassing what encompassing documentary. what harry is complaining? no. with the crew or, you know. yes, the film crew or, you know. yes, i what you're going to say. i know what you're going to say. oh, and you also probably wouldn't. right. >> what i going to say?

>> what am i going to say? >> what am i going to say? >> you're going to say that he wants his terms. well, wants it on his terms. well, that's what everyone weren't that's what everyone you weren't going to say. >> everyone wants on their >> everyone wants it on their terms. he's talking about terms. what he's talking about is running this campaign, is he's running this campaign, spain against press intrusion. i'm that i'm not in favour of that campaign. by the way. i think he deserves much of the press intrusion but intrusion in he's got. but everybody is entitled to a measure private the measure of private life. the more public you are , then the more public you are, then the less you going to have. >> that's his own fault, then, isn't it? by your very admission, it's his own fault. yes, but it doesn't mean you're. >> mean your personal >> it doesn't mean your personal private should be made private documents should be made pubuc private documents should be made public of it. well, public as a result of it. well, it whether you up it depends whether you make up stories or you say something that then perhaps look that would then perhaps look like about something like you've lied about something that's your visa. >> so there is a reason we're not just nobody. people aren't just oh, to see just saying, oh, we want to see harry's visa application. that's just saying, oh, we want to see harry'we're application. that's just saying, oh, we want to see harry'we're applicait)n. that's just saying, oh, we want to see harry'we're applicait because; right. we're saying it because he admitted to taking drugs he has admitted to taking drugs in his spare his tell all in his book, spare his tell all memoir, where he his memoir, where he trashed his family suddenly , the family and now suddenly, the americans are going, well, if you took drugs before you. yeah. that's right. did you write it on the application? we need on the application? so we need to so if but why do we need to

>> so if but why do we need to know if lied? because the know if he lied? because the american authorities, the immigration authorities know that. then they that. and they would then they would deport him the would then deport him from the country. know country. well, we need to know that's point about treating that's my point about treating anybody that's my point about treating anythere others that's my point about treating any there others who've that's my point about treating anythere others who've been >> there are others who've been deported, it deported, i think. was it nigella lawson who didn't get in because her? you know, because of her? you know, her drug is trump's drug taking? so this is trump's point, it? point, isn't it? >> is being given favourable >> is he being given favourable treatment. and again, that's something american something else that the american pubuc something else that the american public deserve know . public deserve to know. >> um, so would you kick him out then, nigel? >> well, if he'd lied on his visa application form. yes. but i mean , that can be done by the i mean, that can be done by the authorities. what i'm saying is that we have to see that we don't have to see everything put down on his everything he put down on his application to enter america. >> i don't care about that. i just want to see the bit where he's. if he's lied, if he's being protected because of who he is. >> and i'm saying he shouldn't be. >> i'm saying, i'm saying i'm saying he shouldn't be protected or any how do or given any favour. how do we know not he's being know whether or not he's being protected unless we see that form, we can't tell. well, we know know that. that's why we know we know that. that's why we know we know that. that's why we know the white house

know that it's the white house lawyers the lawyers who are fighting the case behalf. so quite case on his behalf. so quite clearly, he's being protected quite clearly he's getting special are special treatment. these are the white about that. white house is right about that. he be having it. he shouldn't be having it. >> are the white house >> these are the white house lawyers who, as you said, said, oh, just because wrote oh, just because he wrote something mean something in a book doesn't mean they're the ones. yeah. really yeah, really. >> which seem agree >> which we seem to all agree that pretty lousy case to that was a pretty lousy case to put to a court. put forward to a court. >> well, i'm actually really worried about the calibre of white if that's white house lawyers, if that's the of argument they're the kind of argument they're putting i wouldn't i wouldn't >> well, i wouldn't i wouldn't hire one of them. >> well, prince is hiring >> well, prince harry is hiring a of these people is costing a lot of these people is costing him so, suzanne, him a fortune. so, suzanne, would you chuck him out then if he's lied? >> yes, absolutely. you'd have to, because quite to, because as nigel quite rightly said, cannot treat rightly said, you cannot treat him from anyone rightly said, you cannot treat him and from anyone rightly said, you cannot treat him and else m anyone rightly said, you cannot treat him and else would)ne rightly said, you cannot treat him and else would be else, and anyone else would be kicked else, and anyone else would be kiciyeah, well, they kicked me >> yeah, well, they kicked me out heartbeat, wouldn't out in a heartbeat, wouldn't they? be like, she lied they? they'd be like, she lied on the form. get her out of here. she wrote a book and said stuff. do think? stuff. what do you think? would you out? yeah, they're you kick him out? yeah, they're all saying, yeah, we would. i can see them now. yeah, absolutely. yeah. don't blame you. listen, if you've you. well, listen, if you've just welcome

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gb news. >> hello, good afternoon and welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this all about opinion. this show is all about opinion. it's mine , it's theirs, of it's mine, it's theirs, and of course it's yours. we'll be debating it at times. debating discussing it at times. we but no one we will disagree, but no one will be cancelled . so joining me will be cancelled. so joining me today is donal mccarthy , the today is donal mccarthy, the director of the climate media coalition, and also danny kelly, a broadcaster and journalist .

a broadcaster and journalist. yes. before we get started , yes. before we get started, let's get your latest news headunes. headlines. >> nana. thank you very much and good afternoon. your top stories from the gb newsroom . labour's from the gb newsroom. labour's demanding assurances that suspended mp lee anderson won't have the whip returned . the have the whip returned. the former deputy chair is still refusing to apologise for saying the london mayor was controlled by islamists. the london mayor was controlled by islamists . shadow cabinet by islamists. shadow cabinet office minister jonathan office ministerjonathan ashworth has now written to the prime minister to confirm he won't be allowed back into the party. deputy prime minister oliver dowden says he does not believe mr anderson is islamophobic and told camilla tominey while it was right to remove the whip, he couldn't say whether it would be returned. is he going to be allowed back into the conservative party if he shows more contrition? well that's a matter for the chief whip. >> but we've set out the reasons

why the whip withdrawn. was that failure to apologise? that's a matter you can't rule out him returning, having the returned. >> he may have the whip returned, will he? if he apologises? >> no, i certainly i, i, i, i certainly wouldn't rule that out but that's a matter for the chief whip. another debate on gaza will be held in the commons after the chaotic vote on wednesday . wednesday. >> the snp says it will take up the speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, offer of a meaningful debate on a new ceasefire motion. there was uproar after he allowed mps to vote on a labour amendment leading to calls for his resignation. snp westminster leader stephen flynn says his party will seek to move the debate forward . that will push debate forward. that will push parliament to support what he describes as concrete actions . describes as concrete actions. the uk launched another round of airstrikes overnight against huti targets in yemen in a joint operation with the us. >> 18 sites were hit across eight locations as the ministry of defence says precision guided bombs were used against drones

and launchers. it follows a surge in attacks on commercial ships in the red sea. >> it's the fourth time the uk has been involved in strikes against the iranian backed group since mid—january. against the iranian backed group since mid—january . migrants have since mid—january. migrants have been intercepted trying to cross the english channel for the first time in a week. >> more than 230 people were found on five small boats and were later taken to the border force processing centre in dover i >> sources suggest as many as 12 boats could attempt the dangerous crossing today to take advantage of the brief window of better weather, the. a local action group has won its fight over plans to house asylum seekers in cumbria , despite a seekers in cumbria, despite a severe housing shortage in the millom area, eight properties were earmarked for 40 migrants. >> it sparked backlash in the community, with police forced to increase patrols after one house was vandalised . in a letter seen was vandalised. in a letter seen by gb news, the home office has now ruled that the site is not fit for asylum seekers. dean

myers, from millom community action group, told us it's a huge relief . huge relief. >> the community has just been totally confused . we didn't know totally confused. we didn't know who was actually coming into the hmos . uh, no one consulted is hmos. uh, no one consulted is and it just sparked a bit of angenl and it just sparked a bit of anger. i think . anger. i think. >> and donald trump is another step closer to becoming the republicans presidential nominee . it's after he beat nikki haley in her home state of south carolina, claiming 60% of the vote. it says fourth straight primary win despite not being engulfed in legal problems , an engulfed in legal problems, an even bigger win than we anticipated and. >> i was just informed that we got double the number of votes that has ever been received in the great state of south carolina, so that's pretty good. so it's a record times two for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the

qr code on your screen. >> or you can go to gb news. carmelites. now back to . carmelites. now back to. nana. >> thank you. tatiana, you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news news on tv, online and on digital radio. shameema bagan wants to come back of course she does. after running away with her mates to syria in 2015 at just 15 to join isil and marry an isis fighter, where it was reported she sewed on a suicide vests and actually said that she wasn't bothered or fazed by watching beheadings. shamima bagan wants to come back to the uk, which is no longer her home by the way, because of her citizenship, which has been revoked. although we are still paying revoked. although we are still paying for her legal appeals, she's apparently received nearly £250,000 of legal aid since

2021. she gave birth to three kids, all of whom died in cunous kids, all of whom died in curious circumstances . now the curious circumstances. now the war is lost and she is in a camp in syria. she's realised she's better off in the uk . i could better off in the uk. i could have told her that before she left the other day, shamima lost her court appeal to challenge against removal of her british citizenship . citizenship. >> for these reasons , as we >> for these reasons, as we unanimously dismiss the appeal, it could be argued that the decision in miss begum's case was harsh. >> it could also be argued that miss begum is the author of her own misfortune tune, but it is not for this court to agree or disagree with either point of view . our disagree with either point of view. our only disagree with either point of view . our only task disagree with either point of view. our only task , disagree with either point of view . our only task , sukh, disagree with either point of view. our only task , sukh, is to view. our only task, sukh, is to assess whether the deprivation decision was unlawful . we have

decision was unlawful. we have concluded that it was not, and the appeal is dismissed. so all three judges unanimously ruled that it was lawful on national security grounds, such people argue that it was unfair that her citizenship was revoked, and that it's a two tier system. >> so if you have dual heritage, you can be sent back to another country. but if you don't, you get to stay here because you can't someone stateless . can't make someone stateless. easy solution don't leave the uk to join an anti the west death cult. people are saying that because she's got darker skin , because she's got darker skin, she's been judged more harshly because apparently black girls are seen as more mature. but she's not black, is she? and i'm not sure this applies to lighter skinned brown women. in any case, the race card doesn't work here because home secretary here because the home secretary at time , priti patel, as at the time, priti patel, as well as the subsequent home secretary, sajid javid, who actually took away her citizenship, as well as suella braverman. notice anything here? they're pretty much the same colour as shamima. you can't

blame this on white people. the only person responsible for her demise is shamima herself. if you've committed heinous crimes elsewhere, that that country has the right to try you. they're and i suspect the authorities in syria probably want to make sure that she gets punished properly. they've seen the weak soft touch justice system here. and as for the notion that she was groomed well, maybe at the start, you could argue this could have been partially the case, but her planning was pretty calculated, and subsequent interviews showing her lacking of any remorse or empathy make this difficult to accept. anyway her citizenship was stripped in 2019, four years later, she was an adult then and is now a grown woman at 24, and she only wanted to come back when isil fell. her lawyer said that they will keep fighting and will appeal to the supreme court , and if they fail, supreme court, and if they fail, there , then they'll try the echr there, then they'll try the echr . well, she's no longer a citizen , so she should fund that citizen, so she should fund that herself . the british people need

herself. the british people need to be protected now more than even to be protected now more than ever, especially from high risk individuals who have exposed their hand with pro—palestinian protests and anti—semitic messages being allowed in our caphal messages being allowed in our capital. mps are being hounded outside their surgeries and homes. and what with that parliament changing procedures for fear of any comeback , we for fear of any comeback, we should not be subjected to having to pay for ordeal with someone who abandoned the uk and, if reports are to be believed, was complicit in acts of terror. i say good riddance to bad rubbish . well before we to bad rubbish. well before we get stuck into the debates, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, has our politics been captured by the by fear, sir lindsay hoyle said that his decision to allow a labour amendment to the gaza ceasefire vote was sparked by concerns over mps safety. so

is our democracy threatened by intimidation ? at 450, its intimidation? at 450, its worldview will cross live to paul duddridge, the host of the politics people podcast in los angeles, to get the latest on donald trump and with his sweeping victory in south carolina, then stay tuned at five. it's this week's outside as we go outside ukraine with journalist andrew drury and an exclusive interview with vitaly klitschko. he's the mayor of kyiv as after two years of war. have a listen to the biggest mistake to think the war for wales doesn't touch me personally . personally. >> his biggest mistake this war king touched everyone . one of king touched everyone. one of the worst case scenarios. the frontline right now in zaporizhzhia is one of the largest, uh , nuclear stations in largest, uh, nuclear stations in europe . yeah, the nuclear europe. yeah, the nuclear station a couple of months ago was on the fire because in the frontline , if explosion will be, frontline, if explosion will be, can be 20 times bigger than chernobyl. in this worst case

scenario , this war can touched scenario, this war can touched everyone in our planet. and that's why we have to do it. everything to stop. >> well, that's coming up in the next hour. you won't want to miss that as ever. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. all right, let's at. gb news. all right, let's welcome again to my panel. uh climate scientist and columnist donna mccarthy. also broadcaster . and journalist danny kelly. right well, you know how it goes. welcome by the way. thank you. nice to have you on board. i'll start with you, danny kelly, shamima pagan, nice to have . on board well, have me to. on board well, you're here every week. great to see you both. shamima pagan. you're here every week. great to see look,)oth. shamima pagan. you're here every week. great to see look, ith. shamima pagan. you're here every week. great to see look, i deferiamima pagan. you're here every week. great to see look, i defer torima pagan. you're here every week. great to see look, i defer to the! pagan. you're here every week. great to see look, i defer to the experts >> look, i defer to the experts if that was if they think that it was a lawful decision to strip her of her, of her citizenship. >> what confuses me is that the girl was in london. when girl was born in london. when i use the word girl, i used that loosely. like i would say, the boy doesn't mean that they're

under because i that she under 16, because i get that she was london, but of was born in london, but of bangladeshi so why bangladeshi heritage, so why lump it on the syrians? i don't know, slightly conflicted know, i feel slightly conflicted about experts about that. but if the experts say potential , she still say potential, she is still radicalised . and that's that's radicalised. and that's that's where concerns that where i have my concerns that this is radicalised, still this woman is radicalised, still now the wool over now she can pull the wool over people's eyes and she can wear baseball can wear baseball caps and she can wear sunglasses. for wear sunglasses. designer for wear and in this syrian camp. and dresses in this syrian camp. now, necessarily mean now, does that necessarily mean that she's being de—radicalised or is she just sort of like swinging the lead, trying to get back trying a one back home, trying to get a one way ticket back to heathrow airport? problem airport? the problem is, of course, she is still course, is that if she is still radicalised, she's not alone. there are thousands of muslims, radicalised , hundreds of radicalised muslims, hundreds of which are probably walking the streets of capital right now streets of the capital right now as speak . as we speak. >> you don't want more, do >> but you don't want more, do you? >> but you don't want more, do youwell, don't want another >> well, you don't want another one. no. but then need to one. no. but then we need to look it as objectively and look at it as objectively and say, 15 years of age, say, okay, at 15 years of age, she, she was, if you like, indoctrinated. she had her mind poisoned religious death poisoned by this religious death cult. does still, for cult. so does she still, for example, of the example, is she still of the mindset if sow a

mindset that if you sow a suicide vest onto a bomber who goes kills innocent people, goes and kills innocent people, that the that she's going to spend the rest her life in paradise? is rest of her life in paradise? is she still of that ridiculous mindset? if so, we can't let her back she was asked mindset? if so, we can't let her back that she was asked mindset? if so, we can't let her back that andhe was asked mindset? if so, we can't let her back that and shevas asked mindset? if so, we can't let her back that and she said sked mindset? if so, we can't let her back that and she said that she about that and she said that she wasn't bothered about the beheadings and things that were happening beheadings and things that were hapbuting beheadings and things that were hapbut what now, what's >> but what she like now, what's her now like? her mindset now like? >> well, you see, that's the thing. >> who to take that risk? >> who wants to take that risk? >> who wants to take that risk? >> tanaka sure. i think the first of all point is that she was underage. she was 15. she was underage. she was 15. she was decision, but she's not. was underage. she was 15. she was i decision, but she's not. was underage. she was 15. she was i decisto , but she's not. was underage. she was 15. she was i decisto actuallyy's not. was underage. she was 15. she was i decisto actually punish and i think to actually punish somebody for action somebody for life, for an action taken. agreed. but the action she when was she took was when she was underage. she took was when she was uncyeah,. had she been so >> yeah, but had she been so therefore. >> so therefore we should judge her. >> should have been 16. yeah, but wasn't. but she wasn't. >> she was underage. so that's but she wasn't. >> firstwas underage. so that's but she wasn't. >> first point. derage. so that's but she wasn't. >> first point. ierage. so that's but she wasn't. >> first point. i think so that's but she wasn't. >> first point. i think we're at's the first point. i think we're judging somebody life or judging somebody for life or something. underage. something. they took underage. it's that it's not something that our legal normally does. and legal system normally does. and the would like to the second point i would like to make is i i think the make is i think, i think the concept citizenship should be concept of citizenship should be sacred. the of giving sacred. and the idea of giving a government or government minister or a government minister or a government the power to take our citizenship away terrifying. citizenship away is terrifying. >> should be in an >> well, if you should be in an uncivil citizen like manner,

uncivil un citizen like manner, what's what's problem? what's what's the problem? >> is you >> what's the problem is you should be in court should then be be tried in court and punished by our in and punished by our state in syria. not. she won't. syria. not by not. she won't. there a legal system she's there isn't a legal system she's in. she's >> that's that's unfortunate for her. >> but if you're a british citizen, you have the right to have well have british. is she. well because government took it because the government took it away exactly so. and away from her. exactly so. and i'm saying shouldn't have i'm saying you shouldn't have the do that. the right to do that. >> well, she's not a british citizen. do you still think we should paying her? should carry on paying for her? >> that we should >> no. i think that we should actually try her here. put her, bnng actually try her here. put her, bring her back, put to bring her back, put her to the courts. should because courts. why should we? because she's a citizen. she's not anymore. if you take away, you're not a citizen. anymore. if you take away, youyeah,t a citizen. anymore. if you take away, youyeah, but:itizen. anymore. if you take away, youyeah, but that's that's authoritarianism. >> that means me >> that means you and me and danny risk of our danny have are at risk of our system. it depends what you do. that's the fundamental bedrock of our society. >> start and suicide >> you start so and suicide vests people. i'm more vests on to people. i'm more than happy for you to be released country as released from this country as a citizen. >> think you should go to jail. >> well, yeah, in a jail in that country that you've done it in, i think also, hat there i think also, donna hat there are here. are differences here. >> monica. oh, sorry. forgive me. monica sorry. it's monica

>> monica. oh, sorry. forgive me. monica.sorry. it's monica >> monica. oh, sorry. forgive me. monica. exactlys monica >> monica. oh, sorry. forgive me. monica. exactly that'sca outrageous. >> n outrageous. >> i told you that? >> did you say i told you that? >> did you say i told you that? >> you're supposed say >> you're not supposed to say that there. that in there. >> who's it? not. who's that for? off there only. is it monica and monica? okay >> said. >> he never said. >> he never said. >> don't think you can >> i don't think you can compare. don't you compare. okay. i don't think you can compare crime of can compare the crime of somebody been poisoned. somebody who has been poisoned. ideally motivated warped ideally be motivated by a warped misinterpretation ideally be motivated by a warped misinterpra ation ideally be motivated by a warped misinterpra peaceful religion. speaking, a peaceful religion. i don't can compare don't think you can compare that ideology that ideology with something that motivates, example, motivates, for example, the murderers james bulger. >> i'm not comparing it. >> i'm not comparing it. >> no, no no, no. but what you're saying is that because she's we need treat you're saying is that because she in we need treat you're saying is that because she in the we need treat you're saying is that because she in the same we need treat you're saying is that because she in the same manner! treat you're saying is that because she in the same manner as treat her in the same manner as someone who committed someone else who committed a murder bolger murder like of jamie bolger under think it's slightly under 16. i think it's slightly different because what motivated her was religious ideology, different because what motivated her that's religious ideology, different because what motivated her that's reconcerndeology, different because what motivated her that's reconcern.deol

saying, well, what about other under 16 who commit heinous crimes? the point the point we're making here is, is a crime is a crime. >> whether it's a foul murder or whether terrorist and whether it's terrorist and you're a citizen and what you've actually what you're doing, danny, crossing danny, is you're crossing the line a specific line of saying that a specific ideology is the government's entitled to step in and take away our citizenship rather than allow us going to court. and that's terrifying. >> i think >> well, no, it's i think terrifying an exaggerate. no. >> well, no, it's i think terrlosing an exaggerate. no. >> well, no, it's i think terrlosing my| exaggerate. no. >> well, no, it's i think terrlosing my losing|erate. no. >> well, no, it's i think terrlosing my losing my:e. no. >> well, no, it's i think terrlosing my losing my point. >> well, no, it's i think terrlosing my losing my point is >> losing my losing my point is thatis >> losing my losing my point is that is that you can't rehabilitate someone's ideology . rehabilitate someone's ideology. >> so that's my point is somebody who sews suicide somebody who sews on suicide vests is not what vests terrifying is not what danny said. >> terrifying is somebody who does that. >> we're all we're all >> we're all agreed. we're all agreed isis is a terrible agreed that isis is a terrible ideology . we're all agreed that ideology. we're all agreed that that terrorism is a crime. yeah, but what we're not agreed on is what should happen to a citizen who a crime. and i'm who commits a crime. and i'm arguing that allowing the state to citizenship away to take our citizenship away on the ideology they the basis of which ideology they approve or disapprove makes, makes us all at what we makes us all at risk. what we should is go to court. should do is go to court. >> makes us all at risk if we

>> it makes us all at risk if we so on suicide vests and go off to country and join to another country and join a death but not going to death cult. but i'm not going to be that. so because i've be doing that. so because i've realised have my realised that i could have my citizenship revoked, not citizenship revoked, so i'm not going that, perhaps you going to do that, perhaps you should thought about should have thought about because you are dual nationality, your nationality, because your mum and and send me and dad had gone and send me back to but i don't. back to ghana, but i don't. ghanais back to ghana, but i don't. ghana is a bad country to be honest. >> were you born in ghana? no >> were you born in ghana? no >> no. newcastle. >> no. newcastle. >> so to be >> no. newcastle. >> back. so to be sent back. >> the point is this is i >> see, the point is this is i get it that people say yeah, but if a national if you're not a dual national then you'll stay in this country. all they country. yeah, well all they might allow to back might not allow you to come back from wherever that from wherever you are. that could happens. but could be what happens. but that's not the here. that's not the point here. the point you've committed point is, you've committed a heinous therefore heinous crime. so therefore you need and agree on need to be punished and agree on that. is a good that. citizenship is a good punishment, deterrence as well. >> it makes it makes second class of around class citizenship of around 6 million this country. class citizenship of around 6 millreally. this country. class citizenship of around 6 millreally. why? this country. not really. why? >> why are you >> because why are you conflating this with 6 million muslims? because i didn't, i'd say, million say, well, who are the 6 million then? million people are then? the 6 million people are then? the 6 million people are the with dual nationality ships. >> f now, eli-a f now, a dual >> well, now, i'm not a dual national. you mean dual national. but you mean dual heritage, no no no, heritage, so no no no no no no, it doesn't mean no. >> dual nationals. >> dual nationals.

>> is, is jemima >> the issue here is, is jemima given had two. they claim she's got two nationalities bangladeshi because of her parents because parents and british because of where born. so there where she was born. and so there is million years heritage. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so there's six. there's around 6 million people. they're >> so there's six. there's around going.ion people. they're >> so there's six. there's around going tor people. they're >> so there's six. there's around going to they'ree. they're >> so there's six. there's around going to they're not|ey're not all going to they're not going fight isis though. going to fight with isis though. are million in this are 6 million people in this country. dual country. yeah who are dual nationals. dual nationals. yeah. we saying that they can have we are saying that they can have their they their citizenship if they committed like that. committed a crime like that. yes. of country can't. >> if they committed a and i agree that there is a disparity there. yeah. yeah i that was my starting it i felt conflicted. >> i already said that in my monologue. so what the monologue. but so what the bottom line is don't commit acts of terror like that. and that risk is not there. well, no, i to an extent i agree with donna . to an extent i agree with donna. >> the woman was born in bethnal green, not bangladesh. but if you listen, let's imagine this fact. >> you commit a crime in america. yeah, right. do you get brought here automatically to be tried that crime? tried for that crime? >> your porridge >> you do your porridge in america? >> you do your porridge in am exactly. you have it. >> exactly. there you have it. so, she crime so, shamima, she did a crime there. >> $- @ i get to t“ >> yeah, but i get to come back, though. get my though. i don't get my nationality stripped. >> you do >> no, but what if you do something could

something really bad? you could be death row and you be end up on death row and you could be executed well. so you might attack. might not attack. >> those 6 million >> so those those 6 million people may not ever people who may not have ever spent any day in country of spent any day in the country of heritage, spent any day in the country of h> throw the book at her in syria right? right. i think we're on aren't we? we're agreed on that, aren't we? they're on there. they're agreed on me there. i agree with nana agree you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, onune akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming we'll coming up. worldview. we'll cross angeles, cross live to los angeles, hosted politics hosted the politics people podcast you saying that podcast. you try saying that paul duddridge , give you paul duddridge, we'll give you the latest what's going the latest on what's going on there trump. but

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consent . not at age of consent . consent. not at age of consent. thank you for that. oh, reg says she should never come back . she should never come back. she's a traitor and a risk to our country. john says i wonder what would happen if shamima bagan made her way back to france and took a boat to the uk south coast. the spineless border force would welcome her with she'd probably with open arms. she'd probably be given a hotel mate. that's what would she honestly what would she mean. honestly you know that. that's probably the move . well, listen, if the next move. well, listen, if you joined welcome keep you just joined us. welcome keep your views. your thoughts coming. gb views. our it's now our gbnews.com. it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, how's our captured by our politics been captured by fear islamism? it's a vocal fear of islamism? it's a vocal politician. lee anderson . he's politician. lee anderson. he's had his tory whip removed after he made divisive comments about sadiq khan, now a former home secretary suella braverman claimed that islamists were in charge of britain following the gaza ceasefire debate. so i want to get your thoughts on it for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, has our politics been captured by the fear of islamism? well, fear of islamism? um. uh, well, joining now political

joining me now is political commentator suzanne evans and also senior political also gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson . uh, commentator nigel nelson. uh, right. i'm going to start with you, nigel. do you think that our has been captured our politics has been captured by ? no. by islamism? no. >> um, what i do think is that that the because of gaza emotions are running high community tensions are at breaking point . we've seen, um , breaking point. we've seen, um, uh, and seen anti—semitic crimes go uh, and seen anti—semitic crimes 9° up uh, and seen anti—semitic crimes go up six fold. muslim hate crime has gone up . go up six fold. muslim hate crime has gone up. um, uh, triple is triple since october the 7th. so i think that there is there is serious stuff going on outside in the country . is there is serious stuff going on outside in the country. i don't think that translates into the idea that islamism has somehow taken over politics. >> well, what about what happened? uh with the speaker, lindsay hoyle, who changed procedures because he's worried about , uh, the safety of mps. about, uh, the safety of mps. >> yeah. and think, well, >> yeah. and i think, well, that's capturing that's the capturing there, right there. i think the safety, the of mps is indeed, um, the safety of mps is indeed, um,

a problem understand a problem i can understand totally why lindsay hall did what he did. if the mps had behaved better themselves, the system he put in place would have actually gone through. they would those would have debated all those various amendments. would have debated all those various amendments . yes, but. various amendments. yes, but. and voted on procedure and because they were scared of a revolt, when were scared of revolt, when they were scared of losing 80, it's labour losing 80, i think it's labour mps would have against motion. >> well, mean , what the >> well, i mean, what the speaker was doing was actually looking at the safety mps , so. >> well, that's what he was saying. >> but he was told by i mean, as we understand it, keir starmer. um, you know, that or um, you know, suggested that or sort a bit pressure on him. >> well, i mean, there's no evidence for that. i'd very evidence for that. i'd be very surprised. i've known known lindsay years, and lindsay hall for 25 years, and the idea you could pressure him into something, i think would be a nonsense. well, he. i don't believe, doing believe, coerced into doing this. believe keir. keir this. i don't believe keir. keir starmer have it starmer would have done it enhen starmer would have done it either. think he would have either. i think he would have known think keir known better. what i think keir starmer him is that starmer did say to him is that there is risk to a number there is a risk to a number of labour if they cannot vote labour mps if they cannot vote for , for the labour amendment, for, for the labour amendment, and that's why lindsay hoyle

then broke with convention varne and tried to get the labour amendment tabled, which, of course it was eventually but passed through and it didn't please anybody. i mean, no labour mp actually got to vote on it . on it. >> ? yeah- @ yeah. well, i on it. >> yeah. well, i think you >> um, yeah. well, i think you just describing example of just describing an example of it, but what you think then ? it, but what do you think then? >> let's look at the evidence, shall we? wish was just shall we? i wish it was just politics that been taken politics that had been taken over by fears of islamization, but not. it's whole but it is not. it's the whole structure of society. it's structure of our society. it's the police. it's the education system, rochdale grooming system, the rochdale grooming gangs. turned out wasn't just gangs. turned out it wasn't just rochdale. was all the rochdale. it was all over the country. years did the country. how many years did the police turn a blind eye to that? the marches that we have the hate marches that we have every sadiq khan is every saturday. sadiq khan is not anything about not doing anything about them. the not doing the police are not doing anything jewish anything about them. jewish people scared to go into people are scared to go into london. genital london. female genital mutilation. it was made illegal in this and that's mostly practised in the in black community, but not exclusively made this country. in made illegal in this country. in 1984 it took 35 years to get the first prosecute, and they've still only been two, despite the

fact that the nhs is seeing 12,000 cases every year . as 12,000 cases every year. as suella braverman said in her recent article, 75% of m15's caseload is to do with islamist terror threats. but prevent only gets 11% referrals from for islamist threats, which says that people in authority are not referring them to the prevent service . teachers still in service. teachers still in hiding in batley for showing the cartoon . the charlie hebdo cartoon. the charlie hebdo cartoon. the charlie hebdo cartoon . two years he's been in cartoon. two years he's been in hiding now the for children in wakefield , who brought us wakefield, who brought us scuffed copy of the quran into school and were suspended. everybody is running scared of this, this cohort of people of this, this cohort of people of this community. and yet look how quick the police are to arrest a christian street preacher. now, i don't like them as much as anyone else. i think they're a bit of a nuisance , but they're bit of a nuisance, but they're very aren't they? we very quick, aren't they? what we have this country now, and have in this country now, and i think i've just have in this country now, and i think is i've just have in this country now, and i think is incontrovertible.;t have in this country now, and i think is incontrovertible. we shown is incontrovertible. we have blasphemy law by the back have a blasphemy law by the back doon have a blasphemy law by the back door. blasphemy law was abolished in england and wales in as islam is

in 2008, but as far as islam is concerned, it's still operates. i've just given you the evidence . i think it's appalling. well, let's ask counter—terror ism expert hurley , who joins expert kevin hurley, who joins us now. us now. >> us now. >> kevin . so do you think that >> kevin. so do you think that our politics is being captured by ? by islamism? >> um , i wouldn't say politics >> um, i wouldn't say politics has been captured by islamism , has been captured by islamism, but the public sector appears to be in terms of how, uh, if you like, actors within the public sector, the police , social sector, the police, social services, education and so on are running scared of correcting inappropriate behaviour by people who happen to be muslim as they are. >> they stand in fear and trepidation of that. so i think it's we're not. >> if you like, completely politically captured , but the politically captured, but the people, if you like, who maintain our standards and deliver for us, um, are fearful of criticism , as we've heard of criticism, as we've heard with the rochdale cases. uh et

al. um, and indeed some of the action we see in relation to the demonstrations in london at the moment, uh, where people are chanting from the river to the sea, etc, and little action is being taken. so i think we're at a point where we need to consider our what is going on in the nation in terms of ensuring that police officers, the courts , teachers do their job without fear or favour for any particular belief system or any particular belief system or any particular agenda , etc. particular agenda, etc. >> mm . we're particular agenda, etc. >> mm .we're good if it would >> mm. we're good if it would work that way. but for some odd reason it's not quite working out that way. let's now give nigel nelson the final word on that, because , um, i believe it that, because, um, i believe it is captured by i think suzanne thinks that as well. but, uh, nigel, to you. nigel, final to you. >> i think all the examples have been given are been that have been given are absolutely . but certainly absolutely right. but certainly when comes to the grooming when it comes to the grooming gangs that that a fear of racism played a part in not dealing with them, that doesn't mean our politics have been captured by

islamists . it means there are islamists. it means there are certain areas where we need to deal with it. when it comes down to to the policing the protests, thatis to to the policing the protests, that is a matter for the police, right? >> well, listen, thank you for your thoughts. nigel nelson and suzanne evans and also counter—terrorist expert kevin hurley. think our hurley. what do you think is our politics captured the fear of politics captured by the fear of islamism? nick gibb islamism? gb views nick gibb news.com. me at gb news. news.com. tweet me at gb news. i'm nana akua. we'll continue with the great british debate this hour . what do you think? this hour. what do you think? get touch. you'll hear the get in touch. you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. donna mccarthy but mccarthy and danny kelly. but first, your latest first, let's get your latest news headlines . news headlines. >> nana. thank you. your top stories from the gb newsroom. labouris stories from the gb newsroom. labour is demanding assurances that suspended mp lee anderson won't have the whip returned today. the former deputy chair still refused . to apologise for still refused. to apologise for saying the london mayor was controlled by islamists. the shadow cabinet office minister, jonathan ashworth, has written

to rishi sunak to confirm he won't be allowed back into the party. deputy prime minister oliver dowden says it was right to remove the whip from mr anderson . anderson. >> i do not believe that lee anderson is an islamophobe, but words matter and the choice of words matter and the choice of words that he used , the choice words that he used, the choice of words that he used, was not appropriate . he was given the appropriate. he was given the opportunity to apologise . lies opportunity to apologise. lies didn't take that opportunity and therefore the chief whip took therefore the chief whip took the decision to remove the whip from him . from him. >> the snp says it will take up the speaker, sir lindsay hoyle , the speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, offer of a meaningful debate on a new gaza ceasefire motion . a new gaza ceasefire motion. there was uproar after he allowed mps to vote on a labour amendment on wednesday , leading amendment on wednesday, leading to calls for his resignation . an to calls for his resignation. an snp westminster leader , stephen snp westminster leader, stephen flynn, says his party will now push parliament to support what he describes as concrete action, as . migrants have been as. migrants have been intercepted trying to cross the channel for the first time in a

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with you. sure. what do you think? >> i thought the idea that the statement that our politics is captured by islamism implies that our government and, for example , the mayor of london, is example, the mayor of london, is ruled islamists. is ruled by islamists. that is clearly the mayor of clearly untrue. the mayor of london is a popular mayor. he's ruling on behalf of the people of london. lee anderson came up with no evidence to , to state with no evidence to, to state a group of islamists. no, no controlling the mayor. >> i'm saying for fear of islamism. yeah. so do you think because remember what happened this week with lindsay hoyle where he changed the motion because he was worried about the safety of our mps ? so that's why safety of our mps? so that's why the question is there fear of islamism? so nobody's saying that there's islamic fundamentals or anything like that. we're saying that people are afraid to speak because of this . this. >> what do you i accept that the differentiation you're making. that's fair. i don't think that differentiation was by lee differentiation was made by lee anderson the anderson when he made the accusation mayor of accusation of the mayor of london ruled by islamists. london being ruled by islamists. but lindsay hoyle , i but in terms of lindsay hoyle, i have i think he was

have to say, i think he was playing politics, dangerous politics. with that, it was very clear that starmer and clear that keir starmer went and lobbied him to get labour out of a difficult and then for the speaker to use islamism. fear of islamism as the excuse. i'm, i'm, i'm querying that i do think that there's some divisiveness going on and i'm heanng divisiveness going on and i'm hearing that there's a there's a portion of what you're saying that i actually agree uh , that i actually agree with, uh, danny that i actually agree with, uh, dari'm reading his comments. i >> i'm reading his comments. i don't actually believe that the islamists of islamists have got control of our country. what i do our country. but what i do believe is that they've got control of khan and they've got control of khan and they've got control of khan and they've got control of thankfully, control of london. thankfully, i don't a don't live in this hellhole of a city. i'm delighted when i drive up don't like up the m40 home. i don't like london. has changed. london. london has changed. changed since 20, 25 years ago when i used to come down as a young for a weekend in young man for a for a weekend in london, recognise. london, i don't recognise. >> were doing on those weekends? >> i would be getting up to mischief as any 20 odd year old man would do in london. so i don't know whether he's got lots of hair. i had loads of hair. >> i'd love to see your picture with you. >> hair. there is a picture >> with hair. there is a picture on the fridge me wearing

on the fridge of me wearing glasses and a full head of hair, which going whatsapp glasses and a full head of hair, whi> i don't think khan is in the pocket of his islamist pocket of, of his islamist puppeteers. don't so. puppeteers. i don't think so. i think one of the interesting things what happened things about what happened with lee is that lee anderson and khan is that the mayor actually has a security detail. >> i'm an environmentalist in london. i do a lot of cycle

campaigning, so i follow the mayor's twitter feed. the amount of abuse that our mayor gets is quite shocking , and the idea quite shocking, and the idea that mayor is in a way, and that the mayor is in a way, and i lee anderson's statement i think lee anderson's statement has that fear that he has added to that fear that he has added to that fear that he has of far right violence against our mayor. and i think we should be proud of mayor we should be proud of a mayor who is who is from a diverse background and the culture of attack has got out of bounds, in my view. no, no, but but i'm not talking about that, though. >> i'm talking about the fact that there does seem to be some people perceive that there is a fear of saying things or, you know, stepping out of turn or know, or stepping out of turn or saying you're feeling about saying how you're feeling about something because you will be silenced in some way or other. and part of that fear comes from islamism. so is so i'm islamism. so that is so i'm asked whether you think that our political arena has got is captured in that respect. and i think that there is i think there is some truth in it, because people do appear to be afraid to things. i mean, afraid to say things. i mean, what the labour what happened with the labour mps either voted for mps who who either voted for a ceasefire or decided not to

abstain from the vote , i think abstain from the vote, i think that the muslim council of great britain or one of the organisations said that they're going to stand a seat in every somebody in a seat in every one of those seats where an mp has either not called for the ceasefire or abstained from the vote . politics. yeah, but but vote. politics. yeah, but but that's that's democracy , isn't it? >> but there's a fear that's a democratic system. >> okay. >> okay. >> what about if i if i'm an mp and people disagree me, and people disagree with me, surely right to surely they have the right to stand . that's british values. >> but that's okay. what about tobias then? tobias ellwood then? >> tobias ellwood? >> what about tobias ellwood? >> what about tobias ellwood? >> about people >> what about the people protesting his house? protesting outside his house? >> i disagree with protesting outside people's houses. i think i where think that he's going i where i think that he's going to afraid to speak just in to be afraid to speak just in case. well, we're we agreement is should be is that we should not be protesting people's protesting outside people's houses family. houses because they're family. we involvement . we have no have no involvement. they be involved. they should not be involved. i do you have right to do believe you have a right to protest outside the office of an mp. yeah, but if you believe the mp. yeah, but if you believe the mp is supporting genocide, that you're about, you're really upset about, but then to acknowledge

then you have to acknowledge then you have to acknowledge then a fear of then that there is a fear of islamism because politicians islamism because the politicians know or people like to tobias ellwood would have been fearful. >> i think you're wrong. donica to compare sadiq khan's security detail and the abuse he gets on twitter to what happened when baying mobs tried to storm local for example, in walsall, local democracy hubs and um , you know, democracy hubs and um, you know, i don't live in london, but every weekend in london, it's seems to be overrun by tens of thousands of people. hang on, look at the when you say overrun. >> yes. yeah. i'm one of those people that are overrunning. okay. >> but you know, whilst you're marching down on those protests >> but you know, whilst you're machewish)wn on those protests >> but you know, whilst you're machewish people, hose protests >> but you know, whilst you're machewish people, may protests with jewish people, may i qualify ? let finish. qualify? let me finish. you don't say when you don't come on to say when you are walking down these streets and you're no doubt very peaceful, individual, some of the who are protesting the people who are protesting with not peaceful. in with you are not peaceful. in fact, come across as to me fact, they come across as to me only watching it on the television potentially television as potentially incredibly and incredibly violent people and i wouldn't classify you as that. so when i say overrun, if i'm trying walk down the street trying to walk down the street of with family, for

of london with a family, for example, year old example, or my 90 year old father, my in—laws jews, father, my in—laws are jews, they would not feel safe. they would feel you can say that would feel now you can say that there's few there in the there's a few jews there in the protest and you say protest march, and you can say that yes, and i'm that to them. yes, yes. and i'm sure right. but that sure you're right. but that doesn't that all feel doesn't mean that all jews feel that how do you how do you >> and how do you how do you think people who actually >> and how do you how do you thirconcerned ple who actually >> and how do you how do you thirconcerned about|o actually >> and how do you how do you thirconcerned about the :tually >> and how do you how do you thirconcerned about the genocide are concerned about the genocide in . are concerned about the genocide in yeah, not talking about >> yeah, i'm not talking about that. i'm talking about streets being values british >> british values british values are i'm talking about streets >> i'm talking about streets being overrun. okay. >> don't think it's, you >> so i don't think it's, you know, okay, we've got to be careful we start talking careful when we start talking about gaza, careful when we start talking about we gaza, careful when we start talking about we know gaza, careful when we start talking about we know thataza, careful when we start talking about we know that everyone because we know that everyone would agree that nobody wants to see it a see people dying, but it is a war. it started by a war. and it was started by a terrorist attack. hang on. sorry let me finish. you already. are you don't know what it was. the situation was inflamed because there a ceasefire there. but there was a ceasefire there. but it was restarted. or reignited or whatever word you want use or whatever word you want to use by a terrorist attack on october the okay and there have the 7th. okay and there have been situations where been other situations where those who part of this those who are part of this terrorist organisation, hamas, have that they will carry have said that they will carry on they'd like to do this

on and they'd like to do this again. so israel have responded, as did against when it was as we did against when it was the 9/11. america responded and so israel have responded . they so israel have responded. they have asked for the release of the hostages and they said they will stop this. so the fight and let's not forget that israel has been bombarded repeatedly before all of this. and the only reason israel doesn't like gaza is because of the iron dome. so i just think that when you say that, i think it's wrong. nobody wants die but let's that, i think it's wrong. nobody wa honest die but let's that, i think it's wrong. nobody wa honest about die but let's that, i think it's wrong. nobody wa honest about it; but let's that, i think it's wrong. nobody wa honest about it. let'st let's be honest about it. let's qualify put it in its qualify it and put it in its well, what what we've got nana is a situation where there was a terrorist attack that nearly everybody on marches everybody on these marches condemn it. >> well, they're not, but we. yes yes, almost everybody that condemned and they've asked for the hostages no they the hostages back. no they haven't. we have to haven't. but but we have to accept slaughtering 36,000 people is unacceptable. no, it's not a war. >> it's a war. »- >> it's a war. >> how can you. >> how can you. >> where is the army? >> where is the army? >> where is the. where is the palestinian army? >> reason why israel doesn't look gaza? they look like gaza? because they have dome. let's not have an iron dome. let's not forget bombs coming forget that bombs are coming from on a daily basis. and

from gaza on a daily basis. and they have. so can i ask you one question? no. one question. no, no, is well, this show no, no, this is well, this show is nothing without you and your views. so let's talk views. um, so, so let's talk about great british voices on to the their opportunity to the show, their opportunity to be show and tell us what be on the show and tell us what they really think about the topics we're discussing. where are going to are we going to? we're going to lee does he get lee again. bristol. does he get to be twice one week? to be on twice in one week? what's wrong with us? can we find else? lee lee find anybody else? lee lee harris, what do you think? charming. >> um , look, there are certainly >> um, look, there are certainly visible signs that it has nana. i mean, it's captured mps who are fearing for their lives. it's captured our parliament, and without a doubt , it's and without a doubt, it's captured the met police >> it's influencing this country's most important institutions. >> and all you have to do is look at what happened last week with the absolute farce in the house of commons, where they literally changed parliamentary procedure , uh, because of procedure, uh, because of threats to mps islamist threats to mps from islamist extremists. it doesn't get much more serious than that. every every single weekend, londoners

taken over by hate marches . and taken over by hate marches. and we all, you know, watch sadiq khan and the met police sit back and do nothing. people are not stupid and we can see, you know, the disgraceful two tier policing , useless soft touch policing, useless soft touch policing, useless soft touch policing , i should say, to know policing, i should say, to know that this is directly responsible for what we're seeing . seeing. >> um, so, you know, going back to what lee anderson was saying, i think it's absolutely right that called out sadiq khan. that he called out sadiq khan. i think he admits in his own words that his that his the way that he was clumsy. and he put it was clumsy. and i would agree with that. um, but he responsible for the he is responsible for the totality policing in london. totality of policing in london. um, and he has capitulated. and i this is partly where i think this is partly where this conversation is coming from. it's not wrong to point that out. i think it's absolutely vital that we point that out . um, so him and along that out. um, so him and along with mark rowley, in my view, should stand down. but they've lost control of london. and that is what lee anderson was trying to articulate. so i would i wouldn't say that it's completely, completely taken over politics. i think that's i

think that's a bit too far. but there are really serious signs showing that it is absolutely influencing. >> but we're running out of time. lisa, i'm going to have to quickly shift this, but some people might argue it's a democracy. we and therefore we balance and if that's balance all views. and if that's the it's shifting, that's the way it's shifting, that's the way it's shifting, that's the it shifts. harris, the way it shifts. lee harris, thank you very much. he's our great voice what do you great british voice what do you think? news. com think? gb views gb news. com coming up in next hour, the coming up in the next hour, the great debate i'll be great british debate i'll be asking anderson's asking wesley anderson's suspension of the last straw. but next worldview get the but next worldview will get the latest what's going in latest from what's going on in the paul duddridge, host latest from what's going on in the politicsiul duddridge, host latest from what's going on in the politics people dridge, host latest from what's going on in the politics people podcastiost

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read some of those, but let's quickly go to worldview now and travel over to the united states and speak to the host of the politics podcast, paul politics people podcast, paul duddridge, out what duddridge, and find out what goes there. because trump goes on there. because trump wins nikki haley wins south carolina nikki haley vows to stay in the race. why is she staying in the race? uh i'll tell you why she's staying in the race because she's largely funded by the democrats and so if she does rains trump of campaign resources, just because he has to stay in these pointless battles , it just means pointless battles, it just means it depletes his resources. >> it's the only strategy they have now. it's the old rope a dope, or it's muhammad ali's rope but you're just rope a dope, but you're just tire your candidate, out the tire out your candidate, out the tire out your candidate, out the tire out your candidate, out the tire out opponent. that's tire out your candidate, out the tire oshe's opponent. that's tire out your candidate, out the tire oshe's attempting. that's tire out your candidate, out the tire oshe's attempting. tido.; what she's attempting to do. she's used as a stalking she's being used as a stalking horse the democrats . horse by the democrats. >> yeah, wise because >> yeah, it's not wise because trump will not happy with trump will not be happy with that. but he's also supporting ivf, isn't he? after alabama supreme court ruled that frozen embryos are children . embryos are children. >> well, this is look, this is the little hidden story of the

week as far as i'm concerned. okay. we've talked on this a lot. they can have as many shenanigans as they want in these primaries and in the election. it's going to come to down six states and it's going to come down abortion. to come down to abortion. i'm absolutely and absolutely 100% on this. and trump's very, very trump's got a very, very difficult win in november difficult job to win in november . alabama this week , uh, the . alabama this week, uh, the supreme court in alabama said that a foetus, a frozen embryo rather is a baby is a child . and rather is a baby is a child. and so there are lots of suddenly there are lots of fertility. uh practitioners leaving the state or stopping practice. well this is absolutely huge. i don't know why these conservatives, why these republicans have to keep shooting themselves in the foot. but anyway, that is now such a hot topic that trump this week has very almost subliminally stood against alabama and said like, no, you've got to be able to have ivf. this is crazy, you know? so it's beginning now. i think it might be too little, too late for him to begin undoing the damage of the repeal

of roe. roe v wade, politically . of roe. roe v wade, politically. so that's my big concern. we've talked about this for ages, and so many excited conservatives are going, oh, trump the trump train in november. and it's all wonderful . everybody that's on wonderful. everybody that's on side is on side. he's going to lose the independence and he's going to lose the women vote in november because of this, november just because of this, not because of him. november just because of this, not becyou of him. november just because of this, not bec you know,n. november just because of this, not bec you know, he doesn't you >> uh, you know, he doesn't you know, need this, know, he doesn't need this, really. you know, a really. but we, you know, a lot of people want win. now, of people want him to win. now, i biden, uh, he's i know biden, uh, he's fundraising going well, fundraising is going well, but i want to quickly on prince want to quickly get on to prince harry had at harry because trump had a pop at harry. happened there? harry. uh, what happened there? >> great he's found. he >> it's great he's found. he didn't mention nikki haley in his speech. okay, he's not his speech. okay, so he's not mentioned nikki in his mentioned nikki haley in his victory he's found victory speech, but he's found time prince harry. time to mention prince harry. just did to the just going. what he did to the queen. i could queen. i wish i could do the voice. he to the queen voice. what he did to the queen is terrible. he's not going to be protected been be protected by me. he's been absolutely disloyalty be protected by me. he's been ab the itely disloyalty be protected by me. he's been abtheitely she's disloyalty be protected by me. he's been abtheitely she's adisloyalty be protected by me. he's been abtheitely she's a wonderful to the queen. she's a wonderful woman. me. etcetera woman. she loved me. etcetera etc. i do the voice, but, uh, so prince harry has come out for special special special mention, special treatment trump a victory treatment by trump in a victory speech. basically going like,

i'm protect if i'm not going to protect him if i'm not going to protect him if i if i'm president. again, i'm not sticking up for him. it's fantastic . fantastic. >> what saint. paul duddridge, >> what a saint. paul duddridge, always to talk to always a pleasure to talk to you. very for you. thank you very much for joining that is paul joining us. that is paul duddridge. host of the duddridge. he's the host of the politics people podcast. this is gb online and on gb news on tv, online and on digital still loads more gb news on tv, online and on digcome. still loads more gb news on tv, online and on digcome. stuned.|ds more gb news on tv, online and on digcome. stuned. i'venore to come. stay tuned. i've got a special guest , vitali klitschko. special guest, vitali klitschko. no, live the studio, but no, not live in the studio, but andrew drury, who interviewed him live in ukraine few days him live in ukraine a few days ago . let's get an update ago. let's get you an update though, your weather, though, with your weather, a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hello there, i'm jonathan vautrey here with your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. southern districts are bearing brunt of the are bearing the brunt of the rainfall today. we've seen it sweeping way in some sweeping its way in some heavy pulses times, it will pulses at times, and it will stay persistent, stay very persistent, particularly in the south—east right throughout tonight with this rainfall adding this additional rainfall adding on top of what we've already had this could some this winter, we could see some disruption places elsewhere,

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and andrew drury will be joining me live. he interviewed him and said andrew was also somebody who interviewed son heung—min begum. so it will be an interesting tuned interesting watch. stay tuned then, the great british then, for the great british debate this hour. asking debate this hour. i'm asking wolseley anderson suspension. the last straw. but first let's get your latest news headlines . get your latest news headlines. >> nana. thank you very much and good afternoon . your top stories good afternoon. your top stories from the gb newsroom . labour is from the gb newsroom. labour is demanding assurances that suspended tory mp lee anderson won't have the whip returned after the former deputy chair is still refusing to apologise for saying the london mayor was controlled by islamist . its controlled by islamist. its shadow cabinet office minister, jonathan ashworth, has now written to rishi sunak to confirm he won't be allowed back into the party. deputy prime minister oliver dowden says he does not believe mr anderson is an islamophobe, and told camilla tominey while it was right to remove the whip, he couldn't say whether it would be returned . whether it would be returned. >> is he going to be allowed

back into the conservative party if shows contrition ? if he shows more contrition? >> well, that's a matter for the chief whip. but we've set out the reasons why the whip withdrawn. was that failure to apologise? that's a matter you can't rule out him returning, having the whip returned. >> he may have the whip returned, will he, if he apologises ? apologises? >> no, i, i certainly wouldn't rule that out. but that's a matter for the chief whip. >> another debate on gaza will be held in the commons after the chaotic vote on wednesday . the chaotic vote on wednesday. the snp says it will take up the speaken snp says it will take up the speaker, sir lindsay hoyle's offer of a meaningful debate on a new ceasefire motion. there was uproar after he allowed mps to vote on a labour amendment, leading to calls for his resignation . an snp westminster resignation. an snp westminster leader, stephen flynn, says his party will seek to move the debate forward that will push parliament to support what he describes as concrete actions . describes as concrete actions. the uk launched another round of airstrikes overnight against houthi targets in yemen in a

joint operation with the us. 18 sites were hit across eight locations, the ministry of defence says precision guided bombs were used against drones and launchers as it follows a surge in attacks on commercial ships in the red sea it's the fourth time the uk has been involved in strikes against the iranian backed group since mid—january . migrants have been mid—january. migrants have been intercepted trying to cross the channel for the first time in a week. more than 230 people were found on five small boats and were later taken to the border force processing centre in doven force processing centre in dover. sources suggest as many as 12 boats could attempt the dangerous crossing today to take advantage of the brief window of better weather. a local action group has won its fight over plans to house asylum seekers in cumbria, despite a severe housing shortage in the millom area . eight properties were area. eight properties were earmarked for 40 migrants. it sparked backlash in the community, with police forced to increase patrols after one house was vandalised . and in a letter

was vandalised. and in a letter seen by gb news, the home office has now ruled the site is not fit for asylum seekers. dean myers , from millom communication myers, from millom communication action group, told us it's a huge relief . huge relief. >> the community has just been totally confused. we didn't know who was actually coming into the hmos. uh no one consulted us and it just sparked a bit of anger. i think . i think. >> and donald trump is another step closer to becoming the republicans presidential nominee. it's after he beat nikki haley in her home state of south carolina, claiming 60% of the vote. it's his fourth straight primary win despite being engulfed in legal problems , an even bigger win than we anticipated. >> and . i was just informed that >> and. i was just informed that we got double the number of votes that has ever been received in the great state of south carolina, so that it's

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job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learned and what comes next on outside and today, next on the outside and today, my guest. well, it's my special guest. well, it's been years since russia's been two years since russia's invasion of i'm joined by invasion of kyiv. i'm joined by filmmaker andrew drury with a world exclusive. his interview with vitali klitschko, the renowned mayor of kyiv, two years on from the russian invasion, have a listen to the biggest mistake to think the war for wales doesn't touch me personally. >> his biggest mistake this war can touched everyone on one of the worst case scenarios the frontline. right now in zaporizhzhia, near gadara, is one of the largest, uh , nuclear one of the largest, uh, nuclear station in europe . yeah, the station in europe. yeah, the nuclear station. couple of months ago was in the fire because in the front line, if explosion will be can be tragic times bigger than chernobyl in this worst case scenario, this war can touched everyone in our planet. and that's why we have to do it . everything to stop to do it. everything to stop this war. >> then for the great british

debate, this hour, i'm asking, was lee anderson suspended in the last straw for you ? it's not the last straw for you? it's not getting any easier for the tories. it's lee anderson was stripped of the tory whip over his comments on khan, with his comments on sadiq khan, with new suggesting right new polling suggesting right wing voters in rural areas are turning away from the party in their droves . so what do you their droves. so what do you think? are they toast? as ever? email gbviews@gbnews.com or email me gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. right tweet me at. gb news. right though. it's now time for this week's outside and it's been two years since russia's invasion of. keith and my guest today sat down for a world exclusive interview with vitali klitschko, the mayor of kyiv. now the renowned mayor of kyiv. now i'm pleased to say i'm i'm pleased to say that i'm joined now filmmaker andrew joined now by filmmaker andrew drury . andrew, thank very drury. andrew, thank you very much joining me. you've also much forjoining me. you've also interviewed shamima bayegan. we'll to there hahahahahahahahahahaha. >> ah, not again, not again. >> ah, not again, not again. >> you have been doing the rounds about it, of rounds talking about it, but of course been kyiv. you course you've been in kyiv. you were there um, a couple of weeks ago , as i understand yeah.

ago, as i understand it. yeah. talk me about what you saw talk to me about what you saw and, you know, how did you get the interview? >> just friends. the interview? >> just friends . um, just normal quy- >> guy- >> um, 9”!!- >> um, he's very approachable. and for me, it was important because we've all been watching israel, and i thought everybody's . everybody's. >> you hardly see anything in the pages of the papers about, um, ukraine anymore. >> so i wanted to find what was happening. >> so i took the journey from warsaw . a long journey and warsaw. a long journey and a shocking journey . it wasn't shocking journey. it wasn't dangerous, the journey into there. >> but it. i think for me, the striking thing was, um, driving past graveyard full of the blue and yellow flags and the amount of death of soldiers and each equally being in kyiv and, and just it looked like a normal, ordinary city, like london. you're booking your hotel. the first thing that's striking, you've got your your air raid shelter, which is obviously isn't normal. um, didn't really there was nothing really unusual about it or it didn't seem it it was only when we went to bed at night and the sirens go off and

you wake up to the news in the morning. another 40 or 50 dead. >> oh, god . >> oh, god. >> oh, god. >> so the real and i think 120 to 250 people die on the front line every day. >> so what are we seeing here on our screens? because we've got, uh, rockets and things these are from your from your footage . from your from your footage. >> i know, but they'll be, um, the targets of the major cities . the targets of the major cities. >> i think that's the russian stuff that's targeting the main cities of ukraine. >> yeah, it's frightening, isn't it? well, listen, shall we play a part of your interview with vitaly? you let's have vitaly? thank you. let's have a listen to. this is andrew drury speaking to vitali klitschko in kyiv . kyiv. >> we never believe . starting >> we never believe. starting war in ukraine. ukraine always was peaceful country where live more than 70 nations. and we was never ever aggressive to anyone. and as goodwill we give up our nuclear weapons. uh as uh neutral country and uh , war in

neutral country and uh, war in our homeland . and in the last our homeland. and in the last second, the last minute, we don't want to believe in that , don't want to believe in that, but it happens. it was shocked . but it happens. it was shocked. um, the first days, i guess everyone was in shock . and, uh , everyone was in shock. and, uh, but i have a couple of stories. when i tell i proud to be ukrainian. the points where you can be part of the territorial defence, the line , i guess a defence, the line, i guess a couple of miles. people stay day and night , couple of miles. people stay day and night, night and day. couple of miles. people stay day and night, night and day . to and night, night and day. to fill an application to receive the uniform, to take the weapons. and they decide to defend the city. three guys asking me, uh, first of all, i asking me, uh, first of all, i ask who you are. one of them was

musician , another was actor. musician, another was actor. third one was doctor . a very third one was doctor. a very peaceful profession . they asked peaceful profession. they asked me not to help them. they told in any second russian tanks coming to our checkpoints and we didn't have heavy weapons. coming to our checkpoints and we didn't have heavy weapons . they didn't have heavy weapons. they not ask to move from that to save his lives. they ready to fight and ready to die. i never forget the body, smell the whole streets, the body , civilians . streets, the body, civilians. it's not special operation. it's not the war by the way, war have rules. never touched civilians , rules. never touched civilians, woman's children , old people , woman's children, old people, the butcher shocked whole world. it's not the, uh. it's not the war. it's terrorism. >> we're looking likely to have

keir starmer as our next prime minister i know boris johnson's very friendly here. do you have an opinion on keir starmer ? do an opinion on keir starmer? do you know much about him? no >> um. i'm sorry. uh, i'm not ready to give you a clear answer , but in a way , we expect from , but in a way, we expect from any politician around the world after the election, support of ukraine is critically important . ukraine is critically important. ukraine is critically important. ukraine is critically important. ukraine is biggest, is largest, uh, european country. and stability in largest country in europe depends uh, depend whole stability in europe , not just in stability in europe, not just in europe. around the world. wow >> so that was you speaking to vitali klitschko. he said the butcher. was he referring to putin? >> no no no. sorry. butchers and area. sorry. butcher bucha is um it's his pronunciation. bucha is the area where they found the mass graves. yeah i visited there and i think that's probably the most shocking place i've in life. i've ever been in my life. and i've ever been in my life. and i've to front lines i've been to most front lines and obviously it wasn't active. we a church and we were there as a church and they kind of a monument to

they have kind of a monument to they have kind of a monument to the people were killed there, and i was driver and and i was with a driver and i didn't really notice him because we're about and we're going about our things and all a sudden , um, driver all of a sudden, um, the driver grabbed me he was in grabbed hold of me and he was in floods tears because that's floods of tears because that's how impact it had on how much it the impact it had on them it's horrendous them. um, it's a horrendous place. went and place. and we went and interviewed some people who witnessed genocide that witnessed the genocide that carried out and that was carried out there. any legitimacy of out there. so any legitimacy of the i mean , this is not the war, i mean, this is not these are these are animals, whatever. i mean, rape , murder, whatever. i mean, rape, murder, just horrendous . just horrendous. >> um, and i suppose it's because they can who's going to, you know, who's going to protect the people. it's almost lawlessness , i should imagine. lawlessness, i should imagine. >> shocking. but i mean, vitaly said to me , um, he doesn't know said to me, um, he doesn't know what the war is about. nobody does. they just thinks that putin wants the land and he wants genocide. he wants to wipe off all ukrainian people. off all the ukrainian people. that's mhm that's their view. mhm >> are the people of >> so how are the people of ukraine faring with this? because as you said, it sounds feels like they're just moving around then the around normally. but then the next you hear have next day you hear people have just they take it as just

just died. they take it as just normal every day occurrence. >> air raids night. no >> the air raids at night. no one to the shelters. one goes to the shelters. everybody just carries on. the markets are open. mean, markets are open. i mean, when i was there, went and witnessed was there, i went and witnessed one of the attacks and market shops open around it after shops were open around it after the explosion. happened ten the explosion. only happened ten minutes ago, just people just continuing normal because it continuing as normal because it is normal them now . continuing as normal because it is normal them now. mhm. um, continuing as normal because it isthinklal them now. mhm. um, continuing as normal because it isthink they'rerem now. mhm. um, continuing as normal because it isthink they're frustrated mhm. um, continuing as normal because it isthink they're frustrated that|. um, i think they're frustrated that the world's media are staying away from there, don't really care they feel they care anymore. they feel they haven't got enough weapons , haven't got enough weapons, they're enough stuff they're not getting enough stuff from from us because from us or help from us because we know what happened when we saw ukrainians flooding over the border. mass help. border. there was mass help. that's gone now. the borders are empty. it's complete empty. um, so it's complete change. wanted to bring it change. and i wanted to bring it . thankfully you, . and thankfully to you, although watching although vitale is watching this, watching, actually this, he's watching, actually watching gb news at this minute. yeah um, so he'd glad the yeah um, so he'd be glad the message is going over. and message is going over. yeah. and i for that . i thank you for that. >> yeah, well, listen, we, you know, good of him to talk to know, so good of him to talk to you. thank you so much. you. vitaly. thank you so much. we appreciate we really appreciate you actually your to actually giving us your time to tell us about what's going on. so, andrew, did get so, andrew, how did you get there? there there? you just fly. are there still going?

still flights? just going? >> fly in. >> no, you can't fly in. obviously there's no fly zone. i went in from warsaw . okay. um, went in from warsaw. okay. um, went in from warsaw. okay. um, we just went over. it was a long day. i think it was about 12, 13 hours warsaw on the road. hours from warsaw on the road. um, a normal road. normal um, just a normal road. normal motorway. wasn't motorway. there was. it wasn't anything to apart the anything really to see apart the striking i mean, striking graveyards. i mean, they with i've they will stay with me. i've never new graves in never seen so many new graves in my um , well, listen , you've been >> um, well, listen, you've been busy. you've been talking about shamima bayegan. yeah. of course . let's do a brief one on her then. i . let's do a brief one on her then.ii . let's do a brief one on her then. i i said that we shouldn't really be funding any more legal aid because longer aid because she's no longer a citizen country. yeah. citizen of this country. yeah. what's view on all? what's your view on it all? because, you know, people, there's been a lot of sympathisers and sympathisers towards her and rightly their rightly so. everyone has their own what was your own opinion. but what was your actual opinion of as person? >> she's hideous . and from the >> she's hideous. and from the beginning when i met her, the sympathy had. and over the two years i spent with her, she's not the person everybody thinks that some sort of that she's some sort of vulnerable . the only vulnerable young girl. the only reason she wants to be back here is doesn't like her is she doesn't like her surroundings. a hot camp. is she doesn't like her ngetsrdings. a hot camp. is she doesn't like her sl gets cold s. a hot camp. is she doesn't like her ngets cold in a hot camp. is she doesn't like her sl gets cold in thea hot camp. is she doesn't like her sl gets cold in the winteramp.

is she doesn't like her sl gets cold in the winter and it gets cold in the winter and she just doesn't. she? you know, she just doesn't. she? you know, she just doesn't. she? you know, she just wants to home she just wants to come home because and safe here. because it's nice and safe here. now two, two. bad, luck. now two, two. bad, bad luck. you've done. you've done what you've done. um. i'm surprised that um. and i'm surprised that people keep bringing this 15 thing into it, you know, saying she's a victim because she was 15. you're no different, 15 year olds. can and olds. nana. you can be 15 and 15, and she was more like, well, a lot older 15 than you. i mean, she planned it, you know, she was biggest instigator of was the biggest instigator of going out of those three girls. >> could say that >> but people could say that she's been, you know , used so she's been, you know, used so somebody, somebody somebody, especially somebody who's has more , uh, who's older, who has more, uh, nous of the world would, could come her all sorts come up and tell her all sorts of and, you know, use all of things and, you know, use all sorts of manipulating tactics to get do that. and people get her to do that. and people could that that's could argue that that's what happened. >> think it's a nonsense . >> but i think it's a nonsense. i think that even if that be the case, went on own case, she still went on her own free it's like, i hear free will. it's like, i hear this radicalisation. i hear this, she you know, this, that she was you know, taken over by some old men. and i think she didn't. she planned it. she what wanted. it. she got what she wanted. she went over there, she got married. somebody she fell in love with. hear that he now,

love with. i hear that he now, um, mentally abused but um, mentally abused her. but that's said to me um, mentally abused her. but thaa; said to me um, mentally abused her. but thaa year. said to me um, mentally abused her. but thaa year. she said to me um, mentally abused her. but thaa year. she told said to me um, mentally abused her. but thaa year. she told me! to me um, mentally abused her. but thaa year. she told me howne um, mentally abused her. but thaa year. she told me how much for a year. she told me how much she and she liked she loved him, and she liked to go with go back with him. >> she might been saying >> she might have been saying that some women do, that to you, as some women do, to sort make everything sound to sort of make everything sound rosy. nonsense. rosy. n0 nonsense. >> rosy. no nonsense. >> exactly she did. >> that's exactly what she did. she and now it she loved him. and now it doesn't. doesn't help her by doesn't. it doesn't help her by saying . no. saying she loved the guy. no. that's nonsense. not at all. she's where should let's she's where she should be. let's keep there. keep her there. >> keep there. >> yeah, keep her there. and finally, to ukraine. um, what do you think needs then? you think ukraine needs then? you've firsthand . vitaly you've seen it firsthand. vitaly talked vitaly . what would talked about vitaly. what would he want the world to be doing for ukraine? >> vitaly . as he said, the >> vitaly. as he said, the losing soldiers , which is the losing soldiers, which is the biggest fear. there's not enough men and need weapons. men and they need weapons. they're not getting the weapons like and they're like they used to. and they're saying up and slowed like they used to. and they're sayand up and slowed like they used to. and they're sayand slowed up and slowed like they used to. and they're sayand slowed up,up and slowed like they used to. and they're sayand slowed up, and nd slowed like they used to. and they're sayand slowed up, and withouted up and slowed up, and without those weapons, they can't fight. the will be in. think the russians will be in. i think they that the fight they are that close. the fight is harder. they've is hard. it's harder. they've just winter. um as i just come for a winter. um as i say, losing about 250 people a day. when you think about that in numbers of soldiers , it's in numbers of soldiers, it's unbelievable. what about on the russian side? >> they must be losing a lot of

people well. people as well. >> don't any >> yeah. we don't hear any reports that, obviously. reports about that, obviously. so nothing i would so nothing comes back. i would imagine losing imagine they're losing more. it's yeah i don't know it's just end. yeah i don't know why it's going on. i don't think anybody does. >> years, two years, two >> two years, two years, two years, two years. >> yeah. but i've got a good friend in vitaly. although the interview looked like it was sombre had good fun sombre, we had some good fun too. spoke about the usyk too. we spoke about the usyk fight . um, he spoke about his fight. um, he spoke about his boxing and, um, he believes usyk will beat tyson fury. he says he needs to go on a diet . tyson. needs to go on a diet. tyson. so, tyson, if you listen to this , you need to get yourself on a diet. >> well, and that's on vitaly. so take it seriously. so if people want to find out, have you put this anywhere on youtube or that? full or somewhere like that? the full interview, it be somewhere interview, will it be somewhere for people to watch? interview, will it be somewhere for it'll)le to watch? interview, will it be somewhere for it'll be to watch? interview, will it be somewhere for it'll be released’ interview, will it be somewhere for it'll be released on youtube >> it'll be released on youtube and does watch and i hope everybody does watch it i think some it because i think he says some important things. right. important things. all right. >> find it on >> where will they find it on youtube? um we haven't released it search name. it yet, but search my name. >> you'll definitely one >> you'll definitely find one thing say. one thing thing i will say. one thing i want about our want to say to you about our mayor his mayor our mayor mayor and his mayor our mayor puts cameras up in every puts ulez cameras up in every corner. have guns. is

corner. he has to have guns. is the well, the difference in job well, andrew thank much. andrew drury, thank you so much. >> to talk to you. >> really good to talk to you. andrew filmmaker and andrew drury, filmmaker and journalist. he interviewed vitali is vitali klitschko. that is a exclusive news. we thank exclusive to gb news. we thank him that. tuned is him for that. but stay tuned is just coming 19 minutes just coming up to 19 minutes after 5:00. this gb news. we after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua next up it's time for the great british debate this hour i'm asking was lee anderson suspension the last for suspension the last straw for you .

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it's approaching. we are gb it's fast approaching. we are gb news whether people's channel. it's time for the great it's time now for the great british debate this hour. and i'm , was lee anderson's i'm asking, was lee anderson's suspension the last straw for you?ifs suspension the last straw for you? it's not getting any easier for the tories , as lee anderson for the tories, as lee anderson was stripped of the tory whip over his comments on sadiq khan, and new polling suggesting and with new polling suggesting that wing voters in rural that right wing voters in rural areas are turning away from the party in their droves, the tory vote appears to be collapsing among its rural voters. so what do you think? since the 2019 election signals a significant shift in allegiance , with only shift in allegiance, with only 27% now supporting them , 27% now supporting them, compared to 69% previously? what is your view? this also comes as reform uk threatens to fracture the conservative coalition, further favouring farage over to freeze. so is sunak right to suspend him and well, do you think that perhaps this is the last straw for you? so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking is lee anderson suspension the last straw? joining now to discuss denis

joining me now to discuss denis macshane, former labour minister for europe , henry hill, deputy for europe, henry hill, deputy editor the conservative home. editor of the conservative home. also andrew he stays to also andrew drury. he stays to join a filmmaker and join me. he's a filmmaker and a journalist. well, i'm going to start henry hill. what start with you, henry hill. what are your thoughts ? are your thoughts? >> i mean, to the headline question. no, i don't think it's the last straw because the suspension is a perfectly, uh, is the right thing to do. >> there are all sorts of criticisms that you can level at sadiq khan varne as a conservative about way he's conservative about the way he's run london, about the way that the the metropolitan the he and the metropolitan police of the police have lost control of the palestine protests. all of those are legitimate criticisms, but what lee anderson did was, was slander . he what lee anderson did was, was slander. he alleged that the mayor of london was under the control of the, um, islamic extremists. now if he has evidence to back that claim up, he hasn't presented it. and if he hasn't presented it. and if he hasn't, then it is slander. i'm astonished that he then didn't apologise . didn't apologise. >> so what's the difference in your view , with sadiq khan, for your view, with sadiq khan, for example , saying that, uh, people example, saying that, uh, people who voted ulez are under control of the far right and what lee

anderson said, because that's sadiq claiming that those sadiq khan claiming that those who voted against ulez are far right . so what's in your view? right. so what's in your view? is there much difference in that? >> well, that's a that's also no, that's also a stupid slander by sadiq. >> got away with it >> what. he got away with it though . though. >> well in which case that's an injustice. the is injustice. but he's the thing is he elected. he is an independently elected. >> independently >> he's the independently elected mayor of london. >> is eventually >> and so he is eventually answerable electorate in answerable to the electorate in the way that the the same way that the conservative party can't sack lee an they can lee anderson as an mp, they can withdraw his withdraw the whip, but his mandate the people mandate comes from the people of ashfield, for ashfield, and it will be for them decide whether or not to them to decide whether or not to return mp. return him as mp. >> get the opportunity >> if they get the opportunity at election. i'm not. at the next election. i'm not. so, what sadiq khan so, yeah, so what sadiq khan said was also stupid wrong. said was also stupid and wrong. but mean that what but that doesn't mean that what lee anderson was okay. and lee anderson said was okay. and if you want to be able to make if you want to be able to make if you want to be able to make if you want to create the space for making the many legitimate criticisms that you can make of the london the last the mayor of london the last thing you to do is be thing you want to do is be associating legitimate associating that legitimate criticism of criticism with the kind of things the anderson said. things that the anderson said. so sorry, especially given so i'm sorry, especially given that apologise. that he didn't apologise. he should or should have either put up or shut when he didn't apologise

shut up when he didn't apologise , conservative party , as the conservative party had no the whip no option to withdraw the whip and right decision. and it was the right decision. >> denis macshane i know, first of all, that the conservative candidate for mayor of london, sarah hall , candidate for mayor of london, sarah hall, so i don't even know her name. >> this is awful. >> this is awful. >> sarah suzanne hall, suzanne hall, excuse me. >> stayed well out of this >> she stayed well out of this because she knows that to pile in on lee anderson side will just lose her all of london. >> not she's going to lose anyway. >> i also noticed that robin robert jenrick, who's been constantly on the television today, said said when asked about it, said, i'm not commenting on that. >> we took the right decision. so will he come back? well, you know, he didn't apologise. so we're firing him for not apologising. we're not firing him for one of the senior figures in the conservative party making the most racist anti—muslim comment that i've heard in 50 years of politics. so i think the tories actually are going to have a lot more

lost straws. they don't know how to handle this, but denis islam isn't a race, is it? >> i mean, neither, neither is judaism. they are belief systems. usually um, islam is usually in theocratic regimes, so it's not racist , is it? if so it's not racist, is it? if you want to call it islamophobic , that's fair enough, but that's what , that's fair enough, but that's whil'm sorry. i actually >> i'm sorry. i actually i dislike terms islamophobia dislike the terms islamophobia because i remember the pope tried to get into the european treaty 20 years ago, which i helped negotiate. the idea that it would be catholic phobia to criticise a catholic church . i criticise a catholic church. i mean, the french and everybody else. >> and jack straw, we just laughed it out of court. >> no. but when he actually says that khan is . in on the control that khan is. in on the control and represents what is a criminal conspiracy , i mean, i criminal conspiracy, i mean, i can be very boring about islamist . uh nana. that is, it islamist. uh nana. that is, it was defamation. but you know, top politicians don't sue each other for defamation. >> and rishi, mr sunak didn't stamp on it, didn't stamp on it. >> he said it was interesting that his great leader, keir starmer, stood for sadiq khan,

calling people far right. andrew drury . drury. >> well for me, i am probably the rural right. um, for me it's the rural right. um, for me it's the last straw. i think you take away his voice. i think what lee anderson was saying was a lot of people's fear. anderson was saying was a lot of people's fear . um, and i don't people's fear. um, and i don't think he should have to apologise in my view. um, so i think and i don't think there's anything for him to apologise about. >> well, i mean , if i say now on >> well, i mean, if i say now on this program that the jews control whoever you like, i would be booted out of the studio. >> nana in what evidence would you have? >> look, lee, i mean, let's imagine. okay, lee, even accepts that the wording was clumsy, but if you look at the evidence, why did not respond to did sadiq khan not respond to projection on big ben? i mean, that's illegal. we know you're not supposed to be doing that. what the pro—palestinian what about the pro—palestinian protest out, protest week in week out, they're from the river they're chanting from the river to which many jewish to the sea, which many jewish people are very heavily offended to the sea, which many jewish people anti—semitic. ly offended to the sea, which many jewish people anti—semitic. and fended to the sea, which many jewish people anti—semitic. and thenid by this anti—semitic. and then you and other situations you had and other situations which , you know, mps are now

which, you know, mps are now also because the also frightened because the speaker the house sort of speaker of the house sort of changed parliamentary procedure because fear . because of fear. >> you're asking me ? well, >> you're asking me? well, there's a lot of roll ups there. >> well, there's three things. >> well, there's three things. >> yeah. for firstly, from the river to the sea, that is the, the first paragraph of the likud charter . the first paragraph of the likud charter. likud is the most right wing party. it's been it's been taken by, by taken over by, by pro—palestinians. i don't understand it . it was always a understand it. it was always a zionist slogan . zionist slogan. >> okay, okay. it doesn't matter who's over . the jewish who's taken over. the jewish people offensive. who's taken over. the jewish peo i've offensive. who's taken over. the jewish peo i've thought fensive. who's taken over. the jewish peoi've thought abouta. who's taken over. the jewish peoi've thought about that quite >> i've thought about that quite a lot, and i've been to observe some of not a lot. some of these demonstrations. i live in one of the areas where get on with it very, very simply, i see a lot of pained middle class british citizens of muslim faith , angry citizens of muslim faith, angry as an upset as i am as a strong supporter of israel , that 30,000 supporter of israel, that 30,000 women, children, baby as old men have been killed, uh, in some

kind of response by dennis. >> dennis. >> dennis. >> it's not it's not a war. >> nobody wants to see death and destruction, but it is war. and let's not forget that they still have the hostages. they're not giving and that hamas giving them back. and that hamas has rockets has been firing rockets throughout this period. and even before. final you, henry before. final word to you, henry hill. think you hill. um, well, i think you touched on the protest. >> the protests are exactly the kind of thing that can kind of thing that you can criticise. mayor of london criticise. the mayor of london for, have seen the for, because we have seen the metropolitan moving on metropolitan police moving on peaceful metropolitan police moving on peaceithan protecting rather than protecting their right when they've right to protest when they've been have seen been threatened. we have seen anti—semitic slogans, we have seen extremists by no seen religious extremists by no means protesters. but means all the protesters. but those there. those elements have been there. and efforts to criticise those elements have been there. and for efforts to criticise those elements have been there. and for allafforts to criticise those elements have been there. and for all of)rts to criticise those elements have been there. and for all of those criticise those elements have been there. and for all of those thingse those elements have been there. and for all of those things are him for all of those things are undermined. make baseless undermined. if you make baseless slanders . slanders. >> final word for you, andrew drury . drury. >> i think the protest for me watch, seeing the protests have all been one sided. um, i only ever see the palestinian flags when driving through london and it seems, um, that's kind of what's been thrown down our throats all the time. i don't think there's an equal argument

for both. i really don't , and i for both. i really don't, and i think people have got that islamic fear. i spend most of my time in islamic countries , and time in islamic countries, and there is a fear within the country. and it has to be addressed, and there has to be a voice . voice. >> you see? f you see? russian >> what do you see? russian flags kyiv? flags in kyiv? >> um, yes, i do no, i don't, of course. obviously no ukrainian. so what is so what's your point? what is your point that? what's your point about that? what's the about that? very the point about that? very simply, i don't understand simply, uh, i don't understand the though. simply, uh, i don't understand the pointiugh. simply, uh, i don't understand the point is,h. simply, uh, i don't understand the point is, no one the >> the point is, no one in the uk, no one in kyiv is going to be out there supporting russia , be out there supporting russia, despite many people, including . despite many people, including. >> let me tell you about those. let me tell you about those 10s. and i've got to go. let me tell you about those palestinian. if you about those palestinian. if you them, which you stop one of them, which i have, and asked gaza have, and asked them where gaza is, none of them can you is, none of them can tell you where is not one person where it is not one person that's that's a lot of that's that's that's a lot of these are full of these are margins are full of some very ignorant people. >> might say >> but i suspect they might say that because that they're protesting because of destruction. of the deaths and destruction. but you to but listen, thank you so much to denis labour denis macshane, former labour minister hill, minister for europe. henry hill, deputy of deputy editor of the conservative home, and andrew drury, journalist. drury, filmmaker and journalist. well, to 32

well, it's coming up to 32 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. people's news. we are the people's channel. to come . channel. uh, still to come. we'll continue with the great british this hour. i'm british debate this hour. i'm asking, was lee anderson's suspension the last straw for you? the thoughts of you? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel. but first, let's get your headlines. your latest news headlines. >> nana. thank you, and good afternoon. your top stories from the gb newsroom. labour is demanding assurances that suspended tory mp lee anderson won't have the whip returned to today. the former deputy chair still refused to apologise for saying the law . london mayor was saying the law. london mayor was controlled by islamists shadow cabinet office minister jonathan ashworth has written to rishi sunak to confirm he won't be allowed back into the party. deputy prime minister oliver dowden says it was right to remove the whip from mr anderson i >>i -- >>ido -- >> i do not believe that lee anderson is an islamophobe, but words matter and the choice of words matter and the choice of words that he used , the choice words that he used, the choice of words that he used, was not

appropriate . he was given the appropriate. he was given the opportunity to apologise . i opportunity to apologise. i didn't take that opportunity and therefore the chief whip took therefore the chief whip took the decision to remove the whip from him . the from him. the >> the snp says it will take up the speaker's lindsay hoyle's offer of a meaningful debate on a new gaza ceasefire motion. there was uproar after he allowed mps to vote on a labour amendment on wednesday, leading to calls for his resignation. the snp westminster leader , the snp westminster leader, stephen flynn, says his party will now push parliament to support what he describes as concrete actions . migrants have concrete actions. migrants have been intercepted trying to cross the channel for the first time in a week . the channel for the first time in a week. more the channel for the first time in a week . more than 230 people in a week. more than 230 people were found on five small boats and were later taken to the border force processing centre in dover. sources suggest as many as 12 boats could attempt the dangerous crossing today to take advantage of the brief window of better weather. for

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things like that. >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> good afternoon 37 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. don't forget as well, you can stream the shows live on youtube or download the gb news app for free. i'm nana akua and it's time for the great british debate this hour . and british debate this hour. and i'm asking wasley anderson suspension the last straw for you now with lee anderson losing the tory whip over remarks the tory whip over his remarks about khan and recent about sadiq khan and recent polling, which indicates a decline in support among right wing voters, especially in rural areas, the conservative party is facing a mountain of challenges . facing a mountain of challenges. the collapse in the tory vote

share among the rural right since 2019 election has plummeted from 69% to just 27 on. this underscores a significant shift in allegiance that the party cannot afford to ignore . so adding fuel to the ignore. so adding fuel to the fire reform uk , under the fire reform uk, under the leadership of nigel farage, poses a formidable threat to the conservative coalition, with farage gaining traction among rural voters. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, was lee anderson's suspension the last straw for you? well joining me now, my panel you? well joining me now, my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly, and also columnist of the independent ceo titles changed again. doc mccarthy . right. i'll start with mccarthy. right. i'll start with you, danny kelly. >> it's interesting that the plummet in the support for the conservatives in rural areas. now, i don't know whether that's to the performance of to do with the performance of this current government or whether are consequences whether there are consequences of, brexit, for example, of, of brexit, for example, because i've been watching the news and there's lots of discussion and unhappiness with with brexit. so i'm not sure whether it's right to just lump it all together. but let's just

say it is it's just general say it is then it's just general disappointment and disillusionment with the conservative government. i think when lee anderson said what he what he said, i don't buy into the fact that that was racist . i the fact that that was racist. i don't think it was. i think what he was saying, i know danica , he was saying, i know danica, you were nodding there or no, i agree with him. you agree with oh good man. thank you. yeah. i don't think i don't think it's racist don't think i don't think it's racireligious bigotry, but not >> religious bigotry, but not racism . racism. >> okay. right. okay so >> okay. well all right. okay so semantics aside, i don't think that that was racist . i don't that that was racist. i don't think really it was religious bigotry. and we disagree bigotry. and we could disagree about is it the end of the about that. is it the end of the conservatives or further decline because of what he said then? i think it probably is. i think that, you know, it's just that the another like building the just another like building block complete block of just complete disillusionment for so many conservative voters and, and reform will, will, will be the benefactors of this reform will pick up lee anderson, whether you like reform or you don't pick up lee anderson, whether you reform orm or you don't pick up lee anderson, whether you reform reforms.ou don't pick up lee anderson, whether you reform reforms. you on't pick up lee anderson, whether you reform reforms. you know, like reform reforms. you know, modus and raison d'etre modus operandi and raison d'etre is just to demolish and just get

rid of the tories completely. so long terme game . not this long terme game. not this election, not the election after that. but the. that. but maybe the. >> know if everyone >> how do you know if everyone just enough the tories >> how do you know if everyone just loadsiough the tories >> how do you know if everyone just loads ofigh the tories >> how do you know if everyone just loads of people �*ie tories >> how do you know if everyone just loads of people are ories >> how do you know if everyone just loads of people are sick of and loads of people are sick of the as well, the labour party as well, especially all this, these especially with all this, these weird with weird things going on with regard things like regard to voting and things like that. parliament that. and houses of parliament and and potentially and keir starmer and potentially influencing hoyle to influencing sir lindsay hoyle to change procedures and everything. a of everything. i think a lot of people the protest people are seeing the protest week they're week in, week out. they're probably of the probably getting sick of the split labour party, split between the labour party, who have probably lost the jewish and muslim jewish vote, and the muslim vote seems behind. danica, seems not far behind. danica, what think ? what do you think? >> well, mean, the majority of >> well, i mean, the majority of british support the aims british people support the aims of those peace marches . so of those peace marches. so i think that's going to move the rural vote. what's happening to the rural vote is quite interesting. latest polling interesting. the latest polling shows leading tories shows labour is leading tories are way behind and it looks like the tories will lose their heartland seats to a pincer. movement. yellow yellow seats going to liberal democrats, red wall going anywhere in rural seats in rural seats . they won seats in rural seats. they won the by elections in somerset. i'm a former farmer. i'm not a

member of any party. i'm a floating voter. i'm not a fan of keir starmer. but the polls are saying that in rural areas, the tories are going to lose two ways. to one, the lib democrats and the other to tories to sorry to labour, because and reform rising in those votes will split the right wing vote and allow both the liberal democrats and the labour party. >> not to say that it is actually a more you call it a right wing vote. i'm not so sure, i think that what sure, because i think that what has happened is the labour party and tory have become and the tory party have become socialist parties, which is something tice something that richard tice alluded that's what alluded to because that's what i'm taxes i'm seeing. high taxes have never higher, and of never been higher, and lots of state seems to be state control. that seems to be what tory party all what the tory party are all about. i'm not seeing any tory policies coming out from tory about. i'm not seeing any tory poliiand coming out from tory about. i'm not seeing any tory poliiand lyming out from tory about. i'm not seeing any tory poliiand i think out from tory about. i'm not seeing any tory poliiand i think what'sm tory hq, and i think what's happening, find that a happening, you'll find that a lot of labour voters might also shift reform, i don't lot of labour voters might also shift the eform, i don't lot of labour voters might also shift the labour i don't lot of labour voters might also shift the labour party i don't lot of labour voters might also shift the labour party represent think the labour party represent their votes voters, their heartland of votes voters, because they're more working class, more hard working. that's really that's really interesting. anderson character. >> it's not showing in the polls at the moment labour votes at the moment that labour votes are is are moving to reform. it is

showing labour are showing labour, labour are soaring in the polls at the moment. but what is what point? what point valid was what danny's point valid was about voters . about rural, rural voters. what's happened rural areas what's happened in rural areas is they're hammered by by the new trade treaties. there have been agreed by the tories in the far east and in australia , new far east and in australia, new zealand. danny cameron bringing in cheap imports. >> when say sorry , you should >> when i say sorry, you should close your mouth. >> donna. >> donna. >> kissed the blarney >> you. i've kissed the blarney stone times. for goodness sake. >> you claimed earlier on that the majority of the public, the british public, are behind these pro—palestine marches and anti—israel and the conflict marches in israel. >> but they want anti—israel and the conflict. >> i said, yeah, i'm talking about the, you know, the government israel, not the government of israel, not the country. talking country. i'm not talking about zionism, think zionism, although i think there's blurred between there's a blurred line between some protesters and what some of the protesters and what they're to achieve and they're trying to achieve and zionism. that zionism. but but just that, that aside for second, where do you aside for a second, where do you get statistic that most of get your statistic that most of the the the country are behind the palestinian well, palestinian protests? well, there when the there was a vote taken when the parliament on the ceasefire. >> was it? so you're talking about mps? >> was it? so you're talking aboi'm/ips? about public. >> i'm talking about the public. >> i'm talking about the public.

>> said most of the country. >> you said most of the country. yeah. >> let talk >> let me talk about representation. so when representation. yeah. so when parliament voted on the on parliament voted on on the on the ceasefire, was it two months ago, 71% of mps voted against the ceasefire. and but let me finish 79% of the polling in the pubuc finish 79% of the polling in the public said they favoured the ceasefire. 79. >> okay, okay. enough of you know, that's different . know, that's different. >> that's that's different to what their protests are. about 10% are be quiet. >> let him finish . >> let him finish. >> let him finish. >> no, no. so 79% of the public want want a ceasefire. absolutely. okay. but the protesters, not all of them are after a ceasefire . a lot of after a ceasefire. a lot of them, i would say are an unhealthy minority. want to see the eradication of israel. >> right. okay. well, listen, let's nothing without let's chase nothing without you and welcome and your views. let's welcome our great voices, their our great british voices, their opportunity be the show opportunity to be on the show and what they think and tell us what they think about topics we're about the topics we're discussing. i've got two of you are pickings. right. are slim pickings. right. i'm going then. going to start with you, then. alan mcneilly . he's in alan mcneilly. he's there in grimsby . alan, what do you grimsby. alan, what do you think? is this the last straw for lee anderson for you? seeing lee anderson suspended ? for what? a lot of

suspended? for what? a lot of people well be thinking. people may well be thinking. >> afternoon . >> uh. good afternoon. >> uh. good afternoon. >> now, i think lee anderson's perfectly entitled to say whatever he believes to be true. >> i don't see that anyone's been particularly offended . been particularly offended. >> i watched just a short time ago, and i couldn't be anything that would be either racist or particularly bad about it. yes, somebody is not offended. >> everybody's got the right to be offended, but everybody's got the right to say what they believe to be true. >> all right. uh, brian, do good and sorry. >> yeah, i don't think it's a i don't think it's a case nana or, uh, of everyone having the right to free speech. we said this yesterday. of course, everyone does have the right to that, but you don't the to be you don't have the right to be indulging in an outright fearmongering and classic dog whistling and what he said was, um , questionably islamophobic . um, questionably islamophobic. uh, as we said yesterday , no, uh, as we said yesterday, no, it's not racism , but it is it's not racism, but it is islamophobic. it's not racism, but it is islamophobic . and this fear that

islamophobic. and this fear that that the likes of lee anderson is attempting to spread, along with suella braverman and others is very dangerous for our society at large. the country as a whole . we should be united a whole. we should be united around issues whereby, as donna has pointed out, despite danny trying to um , knock him down, trying to um, knock him down, 79% of the people of this country would prefer to see a ceasefire in the conflict in gaza. ceasefire in the conflict in gaza . and that's what it's gaza. and that's what it's about. it's about it's about people not killing one another. that's what the majority want. >> people . most people want to >> people. most people want to see an end to the conflict. that's really, you know, absolutely. nana absolutely. the poll that says 79. i'm hoping that also said a release of that it also said a release of the immediately, which the hostages immediately, which i i agree with i agree >> i agree with you. i agree with you. >> you know, that would be >> and you know, that would be the the war, frankly. so the end of the war, frankly. so what then? so for what do you think then? so for you, mcnealy you think you, alan mcnealy, do you think that anderson that seeing lee anderson suspended straw and suspended was the last straw and would your vote, would influence your your vote, yes ? uh, briefly, it will

yes or no? uh, briefly, it will it won't make any difference to vote . okay. i same to brian vote. okay. i same to brian dugan not brian. yeah. same to you . makes a difference. yeah. you. makes a difference. yeah. >> i think it'll be one of the last straws for the tory party. and they'll be voted out for sure. >> yeah. all right, listen, thank you so much for your thoughts. that's, uh, alan mcnealy and also brian dugan. sorry. voice what it, sorry. my voice is. what is it, danny? >> may i just address what that lad said? okay. donaghy said that population agree that 79% of the population agree with argument. that 79% of the population agree with said argument. that 79% of the population agree with said they argument. that 79% of the population agree with said they finished rgument. that 79% of the population agree with said they finished .|ument. >> i said they finished. >> i said they finished. >> stop. be quiet. okay. be quiet. let him finish. >> but talking about the >> but we're talking about the protests point is protests as well. my point is that majority or that an unhealthy majority or a minority, hopefully, of those protesters want to see the eradication israel from the eradication of israel from the rivers to the sea, whatever that song is. okay, which have you sung song? my point sung that song? my point is, likud, jewish, the zionist likud, the jewish, the zionist state said they want from the river sea. river to the sea. >> so there's terrorism . >> so there's terrorism. >> so there's terrorism. >> have you sung that song? >> you're doing the right thing. >> you're doing the right thing. >> sung that song? >> have you sung that song? >> have you sung that song? >> song, whoever >> listen. that song, whoever made now, it's been made it up right now, it's been used anti—semitic chant. used as an anti—semitic chant. that's what we want to hear.

>> you sung have >> have you sung it? have you sung it? >> don't know song. >> i don't know the song. correct telling it's anti—zionist. >> honestly. listen, this is gb news gb gb news. com. news on gb views. gb news. com. i'm akua. um, i think it's i'm nana. akua. um, i think it's time for a break now, isn't it? we're back a moment

things like that. >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. and it's time now for supplements. sunday the part of the show where i pick up some stories that caught my eye. but let's do the first. bbc let's do the debate first. bbc director—general tim davie has told staff they should be told his staff they should be proud to be progressive in a leaked he the leaked recording, he made the remarks during an online question and answer session, with employees saying the bbc's coverage is fair and balanced . coverage is fair and balanced. hahahahaha! sorry technically, in terms of impartiality. hahahahaha! sorry technically, in terms of impartiality . oh in terms of impartiality. oh what? in his defence of bbc spokesman, said the director general meant progressive in a in relation to areas uh like market led technological change

and that any other interpretation is wrong. right? so there was a mini debate. i'm asking you is the bbc proud and progressive? uh, is it progressive? uh, is it progressive danny kelly. >> well, it is progressive and i'm victim of its progressive i'm a victim of its progressive ness. i was talking to danica , ness. i was talking to danica, uh, during one of the breaks that being progressive means that being progressive means that it's no longer a meritocracy, in my opinion. so you're levelling up. and whenever, whenever you level up and you just tick boxes and you, you just tick boxes with for diversity's sake, then in my opinion, it no longer becomes a meritocracy. >> impartial ? >> is it impartial? >> is it impartial? >> uh, no. in my experience, it's not antarctica. >> uh, no. in my experience, it's you've tarctica. >> uh, no. in my experience, it's you've gottica. >> uh, no. in my experience, it'syou've got about >> uh, no. in my experience, it's you've got about 20s. >> uh, no. in my experience, it'syou've got about 20s. it's >> you've got about 20s. it's not progressive enough. >> with it. how >> it's my problem with it. how often do you see green voices? lib voices on bbc? i lib dem voices on on bbc? i listen to always there. i listen to the world. i listen to the world at one every, every, every, every day. usually for my news. and it's always a tory debating a tory. and if you look at that top of the bbc, it is true. and if you look at the what tim davie was talking about tories tim davie talking tories tim davie wasn't talking about and balance . if about politics and balance. if you the top of bbc, you look at the top of the bbc, he been appointed he was they've been appointed

tories he was they've been appointed toriyeah. well they might have >> yeah. well they might have appointed you can't appointed tories but you can't really that they're, really say that they're, they're not conservatives in a not really conservatives in a sense. but then neither are the tory to see. uh, sense. but then neither are the torlet's, to see. uh, sense. but then neither are the torlet's, uh, to see. uh, sense. but then neither are the torlet's, uh, it's to see. uh, sense. but then neither are the torlet's, uh, it's time see. uh, sense. but then neither are the torlet's, uh, it's time see. for, so let's, uh, it's time now for supplement sunday with my panel, and discuss some of the news and i discuss some of the news stories that caught i. i'm stories that caught that i. i'm going with, uh, you, going to start with, uh, you, danny, haven't got. okay. danny, you haven't got. okay. i'm going with you, i'm going to start with you, danica. your story. >> okay. the what what >> okay? okay. um, the what what i we should about i suggested we should talk about is geeky subject is the a really geeky subject called the energy charter treaty. the good news treaty. and what's the good news is that britain has come out of it. have thought it. and i would have thought from of the viewers of gb from many of the viewers of gb news who are were pro—brexit, that because that this is good news because what it means is britain's taking sovereignty , that it taking back sovereignty, that it gave this treaty gave way to this crazy treaty that allowed oil billionaires to sue britain. if we did some anetsi action to reduce costs and bring and clean our and bring and clean up our energy across the across europe, oil companies are suing governments if they take action to protect their society. so, for example , italy, italy wanted for example, italy, italy wanted to protect its beaches. it brought ban on on drilling, brought in a ban on on drilling, on drilling oil its coast on drilling oil off its coast for miles and an oil company

for ten miles and an oil company sued them for 210 million. outrageous okay, the really good news. >> my sunday supplement is slightly more interesting than has donald trump threatened to deport prince harry by warning, i won't protect you like biden, donald trump has told daily express us that the royal family has been too gracious to harry and that he would not protect him like joe biden has done in the us . does this mean that he's the us. does this mean that he's going to deported? going to be deported? personally, not. i've personally, i hope not. i've got nothing the but nothing against the lad. but anyway, just shows how much anyway, it just shows how much donald trump really likes the royal doesn't royal family, isn't it? doesn't it and do you think >> yeah. and what do you think on ? on this? >> well, i just think that talking we had talking about trump and we had the with klitschko the interview with klitschko earlier. i think the real tragedy trump block being tragedy of trump block being american aid to klitschko and ukraine is big tragedy. we ukraine is the big tragedy. we should be talking, but he's not the that's blocking the one that's blocking it, is he it. no, no he biden isn't it. no, no, no it's actually biden wants to give 60 billion aid ukraine give 60 billion aid to ukraine and israel questioning and to israel questioning whether trump instructed the republican, uh, house of representatives to block the aid

the republicans in the senate have said yes, but the republicans in the in the house of reps are saying no. and i wish trump would lift that veto on this crucial aid for klitschko and ukraine. >> well , klitschko and ukraine. >> well, we'll find out more about that. but this my supplement is this wonderful book that handed me the prostitute state. that's what it's called. donna by danica mccarthy. >> yeah , i thought i thought >> yeah, i thought i thought nana you needed some wokeness in your life. so i thought if you bnng your life. so i thought if you bring a book full of wokeness, it's about how british politics got corrupted. how got corrupted. it's how democracy bought . and i democracy has been bought. and i think reading it. think you'll enjoy reading it. >> okay, have known that >> okay, if i'd have known that i allowed shamelessly i was allowed to shamelessly plug i was allowed to shamelessly plug have brought plug my book, i'd have brought it in. it's a cookbook that was written when written about 20 years ago when i bbc. it's obviously i was at the bbc. it's obviously really good. i'll shamelessly bnng really good. i'll shamelessly bring everything bring it in and plug everything in it right ? in it right? >> yeah. as ever. but on today's show, i've been asking, how's our politics been captured by the fear of islamism ? and the fear of islamism? and according to our twitter poll, 92.5% of you say yes 77.5% of you say no . i've got to say a

you say no. i've got to say a huge thank you to my panel, broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. thank you very much , kelly. thank you very much, danny. and also columnist and independent at the independent, donald mccarthy, thank you very much , john mauger. you've been much, john mauger. you've been fab very much. and as a huge thank you to you at home for your company. i'll see you next week. same time, same place at three. lady the . weather. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. fabric is continuing on its reasonably unsettled picture and it has been a very wet end to the weekend for many southern areas of england. we've got continuing got this band of rain continuing to sweep its way eastwards, particularly southeastern particularly for southeastern england, into the england, overnight and into the early tomorrow morning. early hours of tomorrow morning. some rainfall some very persistent rainfall could disruption could provide some disruption and localised flooding in

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anderson won't have the whip returned , and the former deputy returned, and the former deputy chair is still refusing to apologise for saying the london mayor was controlled by islamists. shadow cabinet office minister jonathan ashworth has now written to the prime minister to confirm he won't be allowed back into the party. deputy prime minister oliver dowden says he does not believe

mr anderson is an islamophobe . mr anderson is an islamophobe. he told camilla tominey while it was right to remove the whip, he couldn't say whether it would be returned. >> is he going to be allowed back into the conservative party if shows more contrition ? if he shows more contrition? well that's a matter for the chief whip. >> but we've set out the reasons why the whip withdrawn was that failure to apologise ? that's failure to apologise? that's a matter. you can't rule out him returning, having the whip returned . returned. >> he may have the whip returned. will he, if he apologises , i, i certainly apologises, i, i certainly i certainly wouldn't rule that out but that's a matter for the chief whip . chief whip. >> another debate on gaza will be held in the commons after the chaotic vote on wednesday . the chaotic vote on wednesday. the snp says it will take up the speaken snp says it will take up the speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, offer of a meaningful debate on a new ceasefire motion. there was uproar after he allowed mps to vote on a labour amendment leading to calls for his resignation. snp westminster leader steven flynn says his party will seek to move the

debate forward. that will push