and online in the united radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight in my big opinion. the bbc director—general admits we are woke by saying the organisation is proudly progressive, that will come as no surprise to its long suffering viewers and listeners . as my mark meets listeners. as my mark meets guest is the inventor of the tesco clubcard card, the biggest and most successful loyalty card scheme in the world, and edwina dunn obe tells her extraordinary business story shortly in the big story. have the tories bottled it by throwing lee anderson out of the party.7 i'll be asking britain's feisty journalist kelvin mackenzie and his labour's angela rayner guilty of hypocrisy after seeking to reform the right to buy policy , even though she buy policy, even though she reportedly made thousands from the sale of her own council house. and in my take at ten, it's the only story in town lee anderson may have used clumsy words and crossed a line, but

the message is an important one. britain is now in the grip of dangerous extremism . i'm killing dangerous extremism. i'm killing the messenger. won't make the problem go away . so two hours of problem go away. so two hours of big opinion, big debate and big entertainment. lots to get through. first, the headlines and a good friend of mine , and a good friend of mine, tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> mark, thank you very much and good evening. your top stories from the gb newsroom labour is demanding assurances that suspended tory mp lee anderson won't have the whip returned. the former deputy chair still refusing to apologise for saying the london mayor was controlled by islamists. the london mayor was controlled by islamists . shadow cabinet by islamists. shadow cabinet office minister jonathan office ministerjonathan ashworth has written to rishi sunak to confirm he won't be allowed back into the party. deputy prime minister oliver dowden says he does not believe mr anderson is an islamophobe ,

mr anderson is an islamophobe, and he told camilla tominey that while it was right to remove the whip, he couldn't say if it would be returned . would be returned. >> is he going to be allowed back into the conservative party if contrition .7 if he shows more contrition.7 well that's a matter for the chief whip. >> but we've set out the reasons why the whip withdrawn. was that failure to apologise? that's a matter you can't rule out him returning, having the whip returned. >> he may have the whip returned. will he? if he apologised, certainly i, i, apologised, i certainly i, i, i certainly wouldn't rule that out but that's a matter for the chief whip. >> another debate on gaza will be held in the commons after the chaotic vote on wednesday. the snp says it will take up speakers lindsay hoyle's offer of a meaningful debate on a new ceasefire motion . there was ceasefire motion. there was uproar after he allowed mps to vote on a labour amendment, leading to calls for his resignation . an snp westminster resignation. an snp westminster leader , stephen flynn, says his leader, stephen flynn, says his party will seek to move that debate forwards that will push

parliament to support what he describes as concrete sanctions , describes as concrete sanctions, as migrants have been intercepted trying to cross the channel for the first time in one week, 290 people were found one week, 290 people were found on six small boats today and were taken to the border force processing centre in dover. the latest arrivals mean that more than 2000 migrants have crossed the channel so far this year. a local action group has won its fight over plans to house asylum seekers in cumbria , despite a seekers in cumbria, despite a severe housing shortage in the millom area. eight properties were earmarked for 40 migrants sparked backlash in the community, with police forced to increase patrols after one house was vandalised . in a letter seen was vandalised. in a letter seen by gb news, the home office has now ruled it's not fit for asylum seekers . dean myers, from asylum seekers. dean myers, from millom communications action group, told us it's a huge relief if the community has just been totally confused. >> we didn't know who was actually coming into the, uh, hmos . uh, no one consulted us hmos. uh, no one consulted us and it just sparked a bit of

angenl and it just sparked a bit of anger. i think sukh and the prime minister has called on the us to continue providing boulder military support for ukraine following the second anniversary of russia's invasion , often of russia's invasion, often writing in the sunday times, rishi sunak said ukraine's allies should use money obtained through russian sanctions and assets fund ukraine's defence. >> will that comes as president volodymyr zelenskyy has told a conference of world leaders in kyiv today that russian forces will attempt another offensive in ukraine in late may or in the summer . well, in response, summer. well, in response, zelenskyy says there's a clear plan for a new ukrainian offensive but that he cannot share those details . for the share those details. for the latest stories , you can sign up latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen . or the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gb news. common shirts. now it's back to . mark shirts. now it's back to. mark >> thanks, tatiana. welcome to a very busy mark dolan tonight. i

hope you've had a great weekend in my big opinion. the bbc director general admits we are woke by saying the organisation is proudly progressive. i'll be deaung is proudly progressive. i'll be dealing with them in no uncertain terms in just a moment. in the big story. have the tories bottled it by throwing lee anderson out of the party? i'll be asking. britain's feistiest journalist kelvin mackenzie. plus is labour's angela rayner guilty of hypocrisy after seeking to reform the right to buy policy, even though she reportedly made thousands from the sale of her own council house? my mark meets guest is the inventor of the tesco clubcard, edwina dunn . obe tesco clubcard, edwina dunn. obe tells her extraordinary business story shortly in my take at ten, it's the only story in town. it's got the nation all split and divided. lee anderson may have used clumsy words and crossed a line, but the message is an important one. britain is now in the grip of dangerous extremism, killing the messenger won't make the problem go away .

won't make the problem go away. i'll be addressing the lee anderson situation at ten, and should lee anderson defect to nigel farage's reform uk, given that he doesn't have a party, i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker, former government minister and reform uk supporter ann widdecombe . plus tomorrow's ann widdecombe. plus tomorrow's front pages at 1030, with three top pundits who haven't been told what to say and who don't follow the script tonight, and broadcaster and author nina myskow, journalist and communications adviser linda jubilee and the leader of ukip, neil hamilton . also tonight , neil hamilton. also tonight, donald trump has blasted prince harry, saying he will be on his own if the former president re—enters the white house condemning the duke of sussex's betrayal of queen elizabeth the second. how hard could life be for prince harry if donald trump wins in november? we'll head to america and get the views of margaret thatcher's former adviser nigel gardiner. plus plus, the most important part of

the show, your emails, they come straight to my laptop mark at gbnews.com and this show has a golden rule we don't do boring, not on my watch. i just won't have it. a big two hours to come. lots to get through lee anderson at ten, but first my big opinion . the mosque has big opinion. the mosque has slipped, hiding in plain sight. the director general of the bbc, tim davie, told staff in a private meeting. the corporation should be proud to be progressive . give the daily progressive. give the daily telegraph newspaper , have got telegraph newspaper, have got their hands on a recording of their hands on a recording of the bbc boss saying the beeb walks a joyous tightrope of the culture wars and said being progressive was something that staff should be proud of. now this won't surprise viewers and listeners to the bbc, whose output is suffused with woke ideology. whether it's doctor who with its finger wagging, politically correct storylines, a perceived bias in its news

output and the unfiltered views of its highest paid star, gary lineker, who is probably the wokeist man in britain with his luxury beliefs on illegal immigration and climate change. the real world consequences from which he is nicely insulated , which he is nicely insulated, and the bbc may be a national organisation, but it is steeped in the north london progressive groupthink, which says that brexit is terrible. britain's history is shameful and patriotism is embarrassing. remember those breakfast show presenters laughing at a politician who was sat next to our national flag? it's an organisation that tried to scrap land of hope and glory from last night of the proms and flogged a nice bit of trans ideology with a female nurse preparing for a double mastectomy to become a boy in an episode of casualty, without properly featuring the potential downside of such a procedure . eastenders was used procedure. eastenders was used dunng procedure. eastenders was used during the pandemic to flog

vaccinations , which may have vaccinations, which may have saved many lives , but one of the saved many lives, but one of the characters expressing some concerns about the vaccine and danng concerns about the vaccine and daring to decide whether or not he would have the jab, suffered a massive pile on from the other characters in what felt like orwellian state propaganda , and orwellian state propaganda, and in the wake of steve wright's relegation to weekends before his sad passing, we've seen the bbc's war on older talent that appear to be seen by bosses as male , pale and stale. what about male, pale and stale. what about the departure of ken bruce , the departure of ken bruce, whose great crime was having the most listened to radio show in europe? he didn't tick any progressive boxes, though, did he? ken bruce, which is why i suspect he's gone . the bbc risks suspect he's gone. the bbc risks the accusation of being instituted finally woke, not helped by the words of their leader and don't take my word for it, a new poll has found that working class viewers are turning off the bbc because they find it too woke . the policy

find it too woke. the policy research business public first found that a perception of political correctness in bbc news coverage means a significant minority of working class viewers are going elsewhere . this is bad news for elsewhere. this is bad news for the bbc, which i want to survive and i want to thrive. i love the bbc, i just want it to be politically and culturally neutral and for everyone with an extraordinary brass neck. a spokesperson from the bbc told the telegraph that the director general meant progressive in relation to areas like market led technological change, and that any other interpretation is wrong . bloody hell, this is wrong. bloody hell, this is gaslighting in the extreme market led technological change, where do they get that from? do they really think we're that stupid? davies comments were clearly based around the theme of political balance. as per the rest of his remarks and his answer was a response to an

internal question from a colleague about whether the bbc needs needs to be less woke , to needs needs to be less woke, to which he says being progressive and diverse is something they should be proud , said well, let should be proud, said well, let me tell you that i am a bit woke myself. yes, i am. i'm a great believer in diversity. i've got a diverse team . what do i a diverse team. what do i believe in? diversity of thought. diversity of opinion? of background , of gender, of of background, of gender, of culture, of sex? yes, you name it. race bring it on. diversity with a small d is something that most people would support. what they don't support is needless box ticking, in which the bbc seems to specialise. so tim davies says the bbc is proud to be progressive. would that include the bbc radio five live presenter nihal arthanayake , who presenter nihal arthanayake, who declared proudly that working with the team that is predominantly white was bad for his mental health? he said it's really affecting me that i walk in and all i see is white people

crumbs. did nihal not face censure or punishment? did they have a firm word? was he fired? of course not, because it is progressive and yes, woke to see everything through the narrow prism of race, even if it means that what you're saying is categorically and undeniably in that case, actually racist . how that case, actually racist. how so? well, can you imagine if a white presenter said that it affects their mental health? working with people of colour, the p40 five would be headed their way before they had finished the sentence , and finished the sentence, and rightly so. not so much at the progressive bbc. and i'm so glad that the boss, tim davie, has now admitted it. what sticks in the craw is that you're paying for this for a narrow set of politically correct and often radical , which the radical ideas, which the politics professor, matthew goodwin suggests is shared by little more than 10% of the population . well, that means population. well, that means that in time, the 90% will find somewhere else to watch their tv and listen to their radio. a

good place to start would be this show mark dolan tonight why ? this show mark dolan tonight why 7 why? this show mark dolan tonight why ? why? well, because it's balanced , it's fair. and most balanced, it's fair. and most importantly , it doesn't cost you importantly, it doesn't cost you a penny . that's what i call a penny. that's what i call progressive . your reaction progressive. your reaction market gb news. com we'll get to your thoughts shortly. but first, my top pundits tonight , first, my top pundits tonight, broadcaster and author nina myskow , journalist and myskow, journalist and communications adviser linda jubilee, and the leader of ukip, neil hamilton. nina myskow, your reaction to this leaked tape from tim davie, the director general, admitting that the bbc is progressive aka woke ? is progressive aka woke? >> i don't think you can equate progressive with woke. >> i really don't. i think you're extrapolating too far, mark. >> um , progressive. >> um, progressive. >> um, progressive. >> what's wrong with being progressive? progressive means that you just you look forward rather than backward . you, um, rather than backward. you, um, you you accept new ideas, you

accept new technology, and you use them and move forward and diverse just surely means that it reflects society today in this country . this country. >> our country is diverse and our television and what we see and hear on the radio should reflect that. you mentioned east enders and the anti—vax , uh, enders and the anti—vax, uh, pylon. well that was that was i would i would put to you is just merely reflecting the conversation and, and scenes that were going on within this country because the soaps i mean, i haven't watched eastenders in years, but the soaps are meant to reflect what is what is happening in our country. they try and pick things up and also show, um, casualty. so i think we're going over the top with this. i think he's just saying we are looking forward and outwards rather than inwards and backwards . inwards and backwards. >> well indeed, nina, but the word progressive with a small p absolutely . that means progress. absolutely. that means progress. and by the way , i've extolled

and by the way, i've extolled the virtues of diverse city with a small d as well. i've got an amazing team here at gb news and they diverse in in every they aren't diverse in in every sense you can imagine, but the issue is with progressivism, with a large p, and i think that's what the dg is admitting to. he's admitting that the bbc has signed up to an effectively leftist agenda, because that's what progressivism is, and that might be the right agenda or the wrong agenda, but not for our national broadcaster. >> no, i don't see how you >> nina. no, i don't see how you can equate progressive , can equate progressive, progressive progressivism with left. >> surely the right or whoever you think progress is, is all, as i say, moving forward and accepting change. it's about change. you can't say that progress is merely be something that can be attributed to the left. okay well, it's an interesting debate. >> linda jubilee , do you >> linda jubilee, do you interpret these words from the director general that essentially the beeb is happy to be woke, happy to be slightly left wing, happy to be progressive? >> well, let's just back to >> well, let's just go back to that little way out that tim

davie found saying that davie found of saying that progressive actually progressive was actually attached atechnological issue. >> i think that's a little disingenuous. i think that, of course people should be progressive, but there are very, very big problems with the bbc right now. i hear that and i see that from people in my family, from my wider circle of friends and colleagues. from my wider circle of friends and colleagues . there are from my wider circle of friends and colleagues. there are big issues there now. it should be fairly simple. you said in your monologue that what you want is for the bbc to survive . i want for the bbc to survive. i want that too. i don't just want it to survive though. i want it to thrive because it should be the gold standard. it should be what we aim at, what we look at, particularly as journalists . now particularly as journalists. now it has a fine newsgathering team and some of the best journalists on the planet. it has a great, um, raw record in doing dramas that are meaningful across the world, and they actually make the bbc a lot of money. now we pay a the bbc a lot of money. now we pay a licence fee and we deserve

an unbiased , well balanced an unbiased, well balanced output from the bbc. that's what should be happening here. and everything else is irrelevant and extraneous to the discussion. well indeed. >> i mean, neil hamilton, if you ask an american, they would say that a progressive is somebody that's on the political left. are we getting caught up in semantics here? what did he mean by the word progressive? >> well, the word progressive is used by the left as a badge of honoun >> you know, they regard us as hoary old reactionaries, whereas , you know, they're the progressive that are progressive forces that are looking to the future whilst we're stuck the it's we're stuck in the past. it's nonsense , of course, but i mean, nonsense, of course, but i mean, the whole of the media establishment is really woke and progressive in that sense. and that's not only true of britain, it's true of the united states. you know, the washington post, the new york times, or people like that. the nbc, the big television corporations in america are infused with the same mindset as you get here with the guardian or north

london mentality in every nook and cranny . and, you know, and cranny. and, you know, i frankly, i hardly ever watch the bbc. i might watch a few things on iplayer now and again, but i never listen to their news, which is usually climate change propaganda and the usual woke stuff in its various manifestation lines. but um , you manifestation lines. but um, you know, i think it's the least surprising revelation that you could possibly have unearthed to tim davie has been lauding the progressive ethos of the bbc because that's exactly what it is and has been for a big part of my lifetime . you know, there of my lifetime. you know, there was a time when it was pretty impartial, but no longer because the mental assumptions of most of the people who are behind the programmes of the bbc, particularly in news and current affairs, are our guardian. north london. so it may be unconscious bias on their part. their part, they probably think they are okay, impartial, but

they probably think they are okay, impartial , but they're not. >> it's worth noting that millions of people watch and listen to the bbc every week, every day, every hour . many every day, every hour. many would argue they're getting it right. many would argue that it's good for the to bbc be progressive. there to progressive. it's there to reflect modern britain . so if reflect modern britain. so if you want to defend the beeb, i'd love to hear from you. mark at gbnews.com but mark dolan tonight diverse tonight is the home of diverse opinions, you think, opinions, so whatever you think, let me know. lots more to get through . next up in the big through. next up in the big story have tories bottled story have the tories bottled it by anderson out of by throwing lee anderson out of the party? now at 10:00 i'll be tackling the issue head on in my take at ten, with my first on air views on this subject. but after the break, i'll be asking britain's journalist britain's feistiest journalist kelvin we don't go kelvin mackenzie we don't go anywhere

earlier on gb news radio show. >> well, a big reaction to my big opinion. the director general, tim davie, has said

that he's proud that the bbc is progressive. someone interpret that as being proud to be woke . that as being proud to be woke. how about this from meghan markle? isn't it progressive to defy biology and believe a male can be a female and wear what you want, but keep out of my private and safe spaces and sports. oh, and leave teens alone, says megan matthews . good alone, says megan matthews. good evening mark. have you become or always were a champagne socialist? your program is changing i switch off more changing and i switch off more and more. well, listen, matthew, i to happen. i don't want that to happen. mark tonight the home mark dolan tonight is the home of diverse opinion and yours matters everyone matters just like everyone else's. those else's. so keep those emails coming, mark at gbnews.com now it's coming, mark at gbnews.com now wsfime coming, mark at gbnews.com now it's time for the big story and let's get more on lee anderson gb news star and member of parliament for ashfield , who parliament for ashfield, who lost the party whip this lost the tory party whip this week for his comments about london mayor sadiq khan having effectively the capital effectively gifted the capital city islamic extremists. mr city to islamic extremists. mr anderson now sits as an independent in the house of commons. so is this sanction self—inflicted or is this ex tory mp guilty only of speaking

his mind and representing the views of many ? well, let's get views of many? well, let's get the views of the most influential journalist of his generation. the former editor of the sun newspaper, when it sold over 4 million copies a day. kelvin mackenzie . hi, kelvin. kelvin mackenzie. hi, kelvin. >> yeah. hi there . mark. >> yeah. hi there. mark. >> yeah. hi there. mark. >> first of all, i doubt you'll disagree with the message, but did lee anderson the wording did lee anderson get the wording wrong ? wrong? >> i think he probably did get the wording wrong, but the sentiment is one which divides the conservative party are in turmoil tonight. this is an issue the islamic issue. the muslim issue is an issue which, if it lasts to the duration , we if it lasts to the duration, we say the general elections in november, it will decide . boy, november, it will decide. boy, the conservative party there is too much division between the liberals and those mps who believe , first of all, that believe, first of all, that there is a fundamental issue about how to accommodate , uh, about how to accommodate, uh, islamic views within a liberal

society and the way to look at, um , islam is to look at it as um, islam is to look at it as a political party. so i think lee anderson is correct in calling out some aspects of it . but, you out some aspects of it. but, you know, there are political aspects about the way women are treated sexually , the way that treated sexually, the way that the workplace works. there are a whole series of issues which are are should demand analysis both on the labour and the conservative side. lee anderson has now taken the cat out of the tory bag , and they will be the tory bag, and they will be the ones that suffer . the people ones that suffer. the people that will be whistling gipsy tunes tonight will be reformed, not because lee anderson may or may not join them, but because this debate about islam becomes centre stage alongside died. well, inflation is going to go down. hopefully interest rates will. unemployment is virtually defeated. there is a big issue out there and now it's going to be it's now going to be islam. and the conservative party have

got baroness warsi climbing in tonight . you've got the editor tonight. you've got the editor of the spectator criticising um criticise ming lee anderson. now the editor of the spectator is basically the conservative party at prayer. you know, it's taken over from the telegraph. telegraph is very critical of the conservative party right. so you're seeing you're seeing real heavyweights climbing into an issue and it will not go away. and it will be the conservative party i could see the following happen. i could see come november if this is still a mainstream thing , i could see mainstream thing, i could see reform passing the conservative party at the general election. i could see it very close to being 2121 or become the conservative party are going to be they are tearing themselves apart tonight and it will not go away. this issue, lee anderson has is done. the conservative party a disservice. but he's done the voters a service because a lot of them talk about these issues. but you never hear it discussed

within parliament. >> that's extraordinary. you think that reform uk could potentially match the tories in terms of the popular at the terms of the popular vote at the next course , as next election? of course, as will agree, first past the post means won't seat, means they won't get a seat, but they get many thousands of votes. >> absolutely . and that the >> absolutely. and that the cleverest person in all this is always nigel farage, who by the way, is by by my miles and miles from the centre right onwards, the cleverest guy, right. he'll keep his powder dry the last six weeks. there'll be plenty of this kind of debate going on. and that's where i see rishi. and that's where i see rishi. and who doesn't know what to say for the best. he turns out that guy oliver dowden, tonight and oliver dowden basically says, well, you're quite wrongly . but well, you're quite wrongly. but however, some of the points you make are worthwhile, he can't say what he's thinking. no conservative politician, no mainstream conservative politician can be seen to say , politician can be seen to say, well, actually, i don't agree with some of the stuff that lee anderson said. it's clearly preposterous that khan has got

his got his mates in. however it has to be said there is a guy running tower hamlets council right now who, after all, got banned for five years for vote rigging . right? i've never heard rigging. right? i've never heard khan turn on him right. so could that be connected with their with their mutual faith ? i don't with their mutual faith? i don't know all. all. anyway so i think he overstepped the mark. i don't see the problem going away . if see the problem going away. if they. if for instance, members of islam decide to shut down tower bridge and that kind of stuff and become like, just stop oil, this will be a catastrophe for all politics, to be honest . for all politics, to be honest. because because it's all right for starmer to be climbing in tonight and saying this, that, and the other. but what happens if the country feels that we are threatened by a what i think is a political religious group? i think it's a massive issue for our nation . our nation. >> well, indeed. now, kelvin, let's move on, because the deputy leader of the labour party, angela rayner, has been

accused of hypocrisy after it emerged that she made a significant profit from margaret thatcher's right to buy policy, which she has since criticised. and now wants to reform exclusive revelations kelvin, set to be published in a new book by lord ashcroft , suggests book by lord ashcroft, suggests that she made 48,500 pounds after selling her former council house at market rates , having house at market rates, having received a generous 25% discount when she originally bought the property in two thousand and seven. what does this story tell us about angela rayner and the labour party ? labour party? >> well, let's first of all say that the right to buy was the greatest single policy of the people, which was discovered dunng people, which was discovered during that period of when thatcherism dominated the 80s. it was fantastic . a good mate of it was fantastic. a good mate of mine's dad. you know, postman didn't have much , and a clapped didn't have much, and a clapped out council house in downham, which is pretty rundown . part of which is pretty rundown. part of lewisham, right? eventually ends up retiring down in poole. has the time of his life . right.

the time of his life. right. thank you very much to margaret thatcher for that. so what it does point out is that is that she kept completely schtum about all this . so she thought that all this. so she thought that nobody knew that she'd made 48,500 pounds. well, along comes a very clever lord ashcroft writes this book and blows her out of the water when she starts saying that the discount that she got the 25% should not be available . it should be available. it should be thoroughly reduced. we can imagine under socialism what that's reduced to, it's reduced to nothing or reduced to because they actually don't want anybody who has a council house to buy the council house because they say it reduces the stock. i say it gives the opportunity for ordinary people to have lives which they don't have to rely on.the which they don't have to rely on. the council being their landlord, and the painting's never done and the plumbing never done and the plumbing never works , and the gardens never works, and the gardens never works, and the gardens never done . they can just get on never done. they can just get on with it themselves . so actually, with it themselves. so actually, it's a fantastic piece of

journalism. i congratulate lord he doesn't need my congratulations. he's got he's got two. he's had a fantastic, successful life. but now in his later life, he's become a bloody good journalist and it's that kind of stuff where you where you point out the hypocrisy of people who are who trouser money at one point thinking everybody's forgotten about it, then it's revealed now what does she say? she hasn't said a word tonight. and in fact, if you read the party, what read the labour party, what they've don't you they've said is why don't you leave that's leave her alone? that's basically her attitude. >> well, calvin, listen, you're right. ashcroft is a very right. lord ashcroft is a very compelling journalist. of course, let's bring course, as are you. let's bring in journalistic legend, in another journalistic legend, because with in the studio is because with me in the studio is nina meshkov, queen of fleet street. nina agree with street. nina do you agree with what had say? there what kelvin had to say? there about and double about angela rayner and double standards over right to buy? about angela rayner and double sta|iiards over right to buy? about angela rayner and double sta|i absolutelytight to buy? about angela rayner and double sta|i absolutely do |t to buy? about angela rayner and double sta|i absolutely do not. buy? about angela rayner and double sta|i absolutely do not. when >> i absolutely do not. when angela bought that house, angela rayner bought that house, she was a single mother of 26 with a very and had a very ill child. after that, she sold child. after that, and she sold it before she ever became an mp . it before she ever became an mp. so this has got nothing to do with it. the implication is that

somebody should not be making any kind profit all. you any kind of profit at all. you know angela rayner, she's laboun know angela rayner, she's labour. shouldn't be making labour. she shouldn't be making a profit. well, anybody who sells profit and sells a house makes a profit and that's they hope the that's what they hope the situation is that i think that although it gave people an enormous opportunity , as kelvin enormous opportunity, as kelvin said. but but the right to buy your own council house was disastrous. actually for our housing stock because as the nobody actually replaced it, nobody actually replaced it, nobody replaced it. and our social housing is a disaster as anybody will tell you in this country. so although you know kelvin and i really disagree on that , but why. that's the worst that, but why. that's the worst thing that ashcroft can find out about. angela rayner trawling , about. angela rayner trawling, trawling, trawling to bring out a book before the, uh, before the general election that is going to somehow tarnish angela rayner if that's the worst he can find . well, good luck to can find. well, good luck to him, kelvin. >> you've just received a handbag from dame nina myskow. >> your response ? >> your response? >> your response? >> well, the point i was making was and the point that actually

the piece made was that she benefited , you know, quite benefited, you know, quite nicely. i've got nothing against her making the money. i love her making the money. fantastic. and what she was saying was, instead of a 25% discount, she wants a vastly reduced discount. i don't agree with that. i think we should encourage more people to buy their own council houses, and it affects the and nina says it affects the housing stock. well, actually the less social housing we have, the less social housing we have, the better . i the less social housing we have, the better. i think people should stride out in life a bit more. >> kelvin. >> kelvin. >> real treat to have you with us a sunday we'll us on a sunday night. we'll catch my thanks to, of catch up soon. my thanks to, of course, street legend course, fleet street legend kelvin mackenzie and nina myskow. pundit myskow. my brilliant pundit returns just a few minutes returns in just a few minutes time, i'll be addressing the lee anderson situation in no uncertain terms at 10:00. in my take at ten. one thing i will say is important to separate out islam as a religion and islamic extremism . of course, that will extremism. of course, that will further develop as we talk about it later in the show. but next up, donald trump has blasted prince harry, saying that he will be on his own if the former

president re—enters the white house condemning the duke of sussex's of queen sussex's betrayal of queen elizabeth the second. so how hard could life be for prince harry if donald trump wins in november ? well, we're going to november? well, we're going to head to united states and head to the united states and get of margaret get the views of margaret thatcher's top adviser, thatcher's former top adviser, nigel . that's

um, lactation earlier on, gb news radio . news radio. >> uh, listen, let's have a look at this, dear mark clive, in response to our conversation about angela rayner and the right to by maggie thatcher, told councils, for every house sold, they must build one. guess who stopped that ? yes, labour. sold, they must build one. guess who �*blairad that ? yes, labour. sold, they must build one. guess who �*blair and|at ? yes, labour. sold, they must build one. guess who �*blair and gordon;, labour. sold, they must build one. guess who �*blair and gordon brownur. tony blair and gordon brown stopped it. clive, i think some would challenge that view. but you're entitled opinion. you're entitled to your opinion. um, i like you as a massive sunak support , but my opinion sunak support, but my opinion wavered. change what wavered. don't change what you're doing for other viewers, says k.j. and listen , more says k.j. and listen, more emails to come. so many emails to get through. but first, let's get to this other story. donald trump has said that prince harry

will be on his own if he wins a second time this year. as the former criticised him former president criticised him former president criticised him for an unforgivable betrayal of queen elizabeth ii. mr trump said that joe biden's administration had been too gracious to the duke of sussex since he moved to america in 2020. speaking at the conservative political action conference near washington, dc, on saturday, mr trump told the express i would not protect harry. he betrayed the queen. that's unforgivable . he would be that's unforgivable. he would be on his own if it was down to me. meanwhile, prince harry's immigration status has become the subject of legal disputes by the subject of legal disputes by the heritage foundation, a conservative think tank, which argues that he cannot legally have entered the us because he admitted to taking illegal drugs. in his memoir, spare . drugs. in his memoir, spare. well, let's get reaction to all of this. we head straight to the united states and a good friend of the program, niall gardner, our foreign policy analyst contributor to the telegraph newspaper and former aide to

margaret thatcher. niall, we'll get to the comments of donald trump you are trump shortly, but you are a leading figure at the heritage foundation . ian, is your foundation. ian, what is your case against prince harry and his claim for us residency ? his claim for us residency? >> uh, mark, uh, great to be on the show today and, uh, on friday, actually , uh, the friday, actually, uh, the heritage foundation , uh, took heritage foundation, uh, took the, uh, the biden administration in to federal court in washington , dc to court in washington, dc to secure the release of prince harry's immigration records, especially in light of his revelations of widespread and extensive, uh, drug use. so this was actually the second court heanng was actually the second court hearing heard by a federal judge. and at the end of the hearing, the judge indicated that he may seek to see the records himself in the course of the next few days . that that's a the next few days. that that's a huge, uh, development . right. huge, uh, development. right. and i think the biden ministrations attempts to hide, uh, prince harry's immigration records ultimately will not succeed. uh, our view at the heritage foundation is that we have a very good chance of

winning this case. but the american people will will be able to see exactly what prince harry down harry put down on his immigration records and if indeed prince harry lied on his application, that would be a serious matter . that would be a serious matter. that would be a criminal offence. and also, we want to see whether or not he was given any kind of preferential treatment by the us authorities. so it's a big case in the united states. we had an extremely positive hearing on on friday. i think there is a very good chance that the biden administration will be forced to release prince harry's immigration records to the american people, and what is the desired outcome of the heritage foundation ? well, the desired foundation? well, the desired outcome simply is for the records are to be released so that the american people can see exactly what prince harry put down on his immigration, uh, application. and of course, lying on an application, if indeed that was the case that is a very, very serious matter. it is a criminal offence . and so

is a criminal offence. and so we're calling for transparency and accountability. no one should be above the law . and should be above the law. and that includes, uh, royalty like, uh, prince harry. >> you just want the truth. >> you just want the truth. >> and that's entirely laudable. um, if you are to prevail, what is the worst case scenario for harry? >> well, that's that's a great question. ultimately that will be a matter for us. authority to handle. but if it was revealed that harry, uh, had lied on his application , uh, that would be a application, uh, that would be a criminal offence. normally individuals in those circumstances would be subject to removal from the united states . so the stakes are states. so the stakes are extremely high. uh, for prince harry, right now. >> uh, listen, i wish we had longer a quick, quick one, if you can. niall. donald trump, as you've just heard, has said that prince harry will on his own prince harry will be on his own if wins a second time in if he wins a second time in november . if he wins a second time in november. how hard do you think president donald trump in the white house could make life for the sussexes . the sussexes. >> well, i think president trump

, uh, spoke the truth when he, uh , condemned, uh, prince harry uh, condemned, uh, prince harry at the cpac conference, uh, earlier, earlier, last week actually. and i think that , uh, actually. and i think that, uh, donald trump takes a very dim view of, uh, prince harry and meghan markle after all, they have become sort of leading woke, left, uh, figures who have intervened, frankly , in american intervened, frankly, in american politics. and donald trump said correctly , of course, that, uh, correctly, of course, that, uh, prince harry had demonstrated, uh , incredible disloyalty to, to uh, incredible disloyalty to, to the queen. uh, and he, he really blasted harry for that. and i think , uh, donald trump's words think, uh, donald trump's words would be supported by tens of millions of, of americans. i mean, harry and meghan are deeply unpopular figures in the united states. i think that everything, uh, donald trump said was accurate about prince harry and i think the vast majority of american people would actually, would agree, actually, with, uh, with trump, with with president trump, with with what about, uh , about

what he said about, uh, about prince harry, uh, at the cpac conference, of course, uh, the sussexes would point to the popularity of their netflix show, the sales of the book, 'spare' by way of disagreement with you. >> but it's fascinating what you've to niall and you've had to say. niall and i do hope you'll join us again sooi'i. 500“. >> soon. >> i will many thanks mark. >> i will do many thanks mark. >> i will do many thanks mark. >> brilliant stuff. my thanks there margaret there to you. margaret thatcher's adviser, thatcher's former adviser, a contributor to telegraph and contributor to the telegraph and something of an international diplomat the diplomat in his own right. the one nigel gardiner at one and only nigel gardiner at ten, be tackling the li ten, i'll be tackling the li anderson issue head on in my take at ten, i'm not pulling my punches. you won't want to miss it, first mark meets it, but first my mark meets guest inventor of the guest is the inventor of the tesco clubcard , edwina dunn. obe tesco clubcard, edwina dunn. obe tells her extraordinary business story next .

at. coming up in my take a ten. lee anderson used clumsy words and crossed a line, but the message is an important one. britain

threats being the grip of threats being in the grip of dangerous extremism, killing the messenger won't make the problem go that's my take at ten. go away. that's my take at ten. at 10:00. but first mark meets . at 10:00. but first mark meets. yes. and tonight, the brains behind the world's first and largest loyalty card scheme, the tesco clubcard. edwina dunn was awarded an obe in the queen's birthday honours in 2019 for her service to the world of data and business. she's been described as one of the most creative and influential entrepreneurs of our time . she's also a champion of time. she's also a champion of women in the workplace, having launched the non profit organisation the female lead, which encourages young girls to become the next generation of leaders. her new book explores that very theme when she's in the room how empowering women empowers the world. now, the bookis empowers the world. now, the book is out on thursday the 29th of february, but you can pre—order it on amazon and at waterstones.com or indeed at

your local bookshop. edwina dunn obe. welcome to mark dolan tonight . tonight. >> thank you. mark. >> thank you. mark. >> how has the workplace changed for women since the beginning of your career ? your career? >> a lot, a lot, uh, um, when i travelled around the world meeting big multi billion dollar retailers , the euro pound, retailers, the euro pound, everything , it was all men, the everything, it was all men, the whole boardroom was male and i was the only woman in the boardroom. and so it was a strange place and yet an exciting time. so i kind of adapted and, and i suppose learned to speak in a slightly different way with less words and a bit slower. >> is that right? did you have to become more male ? did you to become more male? did you have to relinquish your female qualities? >> um , i don't know that i could >> um, i don't know that i could or that i did . i >> um, i don't know that i could or that i did. i mean, iwas or that i did. i mean, i was a mother , um, with very young

mother, um, with very young children at that stage. so a lot of the time i just felt slightly uncomfortable . um, in that role . uncomfortable. um, in that role. but i fell back on the fact that we were the only people doing what we did. so so it was a pioneering time . it was an pioneering time. it was an exciting time . and to be really exciting time. and to be really honest , they were all forward honest, they were all forward facing because everybody around the world wanted to do what tesco had done. >> well, you know, they were very lucky that you were a voice in the room that you were in the room. she became yours. you transformed the fortunes of tesco, think is the uk's tesco, which i think is the uk's biggest retailer now and certainly of supermarket certainly sort of supermarket retailer. massive, isn't it retailer. it's massive, isn't it 7 retailer. it's massive, isn't it ? um, message empowering ? um, the message empowering women powers the world is a fantastic message. what is it? do you think that women uniquely bnng do you think that women uniquely bring to an organisation ? bring to an organisation? >> great question. so women have three roles. they do most of the unpaid and low paid work around the world. number two, they are

colleagues in our workplace . but colleagues in our workplace. but as we know, they don't always rise to the very top. but number three, which is the one that's been forgotten, is women are the consumer. those that decide and buy everything around the world. so their pounds , their dollar, so their pounds, their dollar, their pounds, their euro is immensely powerful . they decide immensely powerful. they decide 70% of everything that we buy in the household. so that's definitive, isn't it? >> um , the book is out. i've >> um, the book is out. i've actually got a copy of it. it's out next week, but here it is. it's winning rave reviews already. but will men be afraid of this book? are they going to be cancelled by this book? are men bad ? men bad? >> a son. >> i have a son. >> okay, so six foot five. i've heard he is. >> he's the same height as you. >> he's the same height as you. >> he's the same height as you. >> he's a very dashing young man i >> -- >> well, -_ >> well, he. >> well, he. >> i'm biased , of course. as >> i'm biased, of course. as indeed. are you . indeed. are you. >> oh, god bless you for that. >> oh, god bless you for that. >> um, but no, it isn't going to alienate men because it's about using the data that we've been

collecting about women to show that we can understand them better by understanding them better by understanding them better , we can do what we did better, we can do what we did with consumers. so for tesco, when we doubled their market share in three years, it was all about showing that consumers are different. they want and need different. they want and need different things. well, here we go. women are different . those go. women are different. those nuances are being missed today and so those nuances, i think , and so those nuances, i think, can make organisations billions of pounds if they do it right. and that data we want to share so that we can put women in that light of being , um, influential, light of being, um, influential, powerful decision makers. >> well, i've been in the media for a couple of decades, and for me, you know, a show or indeed a production team that doesn't have female input, it has got a colossal blind spot within it because you are losing half of

the population and more. >> and as you said, there are a unique qualities that women bnng unique qualities that women bring to the workplace . um, the bring to the workplace. um, the tesco clubcard is an amazing achievement. why has it been such a resounding success? why do these loyalty cards work ? do these loyalty cards work? like why not just have cheaper biscuits and cheaper milk ? biscuits and cheaper milk? >> because when you respond to consumers and what they want, it is much more complex because we don't all want the same things as you could argue and certainly at this point in time , we all at this point in time, we all want lower prices , but we also want lower prices, but we also want lower prices, but we also want to go to a store where we get the products we want and we want good service , and we want want good service, and we want clean stores and we want it to be local. so so actually getting all of those things right means that it changes our choices and where we go. so if you get it right a little bit better , right a little bit better, better than your competitor , you better than your competitor, you win and you win one extra item in the shopping basket or one

extra visit from that customer. and that's what creates the billions of dollars. >> well, indeed. and of course , >> well, indeed. and of course, your membership of the community as well aren't you? you're a member of a community. the club card. it's a club. clue's in the name. and we all like to be in a club. smart club, smart club. well that's other well that's it. other supermarkets are available. i've got cards. got all of the loyalty cards. sainsbury's, you name sainsbury's, morrisons. you name it, . sainsbury's were it, and tesco. sainsbury's were a little sniffy about the club card when it came out, weren't they? they were a bit late to they? they were a bit late to the party, they were, i think at that time they down as that time they went down as calling it just another green shield stamp and they got it very wrong and they didn't see it coming. >> they didn't see how much it could change just by knowing what people wanted. and so from that point on, they went from being the number one to being a rather poor number two. >> briefly, a good number of my viewers and listeners were concerned that tesco had to

recently change the way that clubcard points are valued, and they felt a bit cheated out of that. did you do you have a view on that? >> well, i'm a bit out of that and don't represent and and you don't represent and i don't tesco, but i don't represent tesco, but i think where they've gone to is very much more than the american model. and so as we know, a lot of things that play out in america come over here, whether it will have the same staying power, i don't know, but it's important to keep customers with you. >> we could do an hour. congratulations. in your career, which continues . congratulations. in your career, which continues. i'm curious to find out what happens next, but let me tell you that right now the book is out. let's take a look at it in all its glory. it is called when she's in the room how empowering women empowers the world. edwina dunn obe. thank you so much for joining us. catch you again soon. next up folks, i will be dealing with lee anderson. i won't pull my punches. see you in two.

>> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers spon hours of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there. i'm jonathan vautrey here of your gb news weather forecast provided by the met office. february is continuing on its reasonably unsettled picture , and it has unsettled picture, and it has been a very wet end to the weekend for many southern areas of england. we've this band of england. we've got this band of england. we've got this band of continuing sweep its of rain continuing to sweep its way particularly for way eastwards, particularly for southeastern overnight southeastern england, overnight and hours of and into the early hours of tomorrow some very tomorrow morning. some very persistent rainfall could provide disruption and provide some disruption and localised flooding places, so localised flooding in places, so do to take care further do continue to take care further north. there be some clear north. there will be some clear spells some showers spells overnight, some showers falling on frozen surfaces where we frost developing we see a patchy frost developing across scotland , so we we see a patchy frost developing across see scotland , so we we see a patchy frost developing across see someycotland , so we we see a patchy frost developing across see some icy.and , so we we see a patchy frost developing across see some icy stretchesne might see some icy stretches first monday morning . first thing on monday morning. otherwise there will be some sunny many of us, sunny intervals for many of us, but this rain in far but this rain in the far south—east just a south—east will just take a little time to eventually little bit of time to eventually clear off. quite brisk clear its way off. quite a brisk north easterly breeze coming clear its way off. quite a brisk northe asterly breeze coming clear its way off. quite a brisk northe north' breeze coming clear its way off. quite a brisk northe north seaeze coming clear its way off. quite a brisk northe north sea and:oming clear its way off. quite a brisk northe north sea and isning clear its way off. quite a brisk northe north sea and is going off the north sea and is going to quite cold and to make it feel quite cold and crisp. showers crisp. some showers just filtering that for filtering in on that for

northeastern eastern northeastern england and eastern scotland temperatures scotland as well. temperatures will where we'd expect will be around where we'd expect them for the time of year. them to be for the time of year. but as i said, that cold breeze could make a could certainly make it feel a little bit bitter into tuesday. this high pressure that this ridge of high pressure that has fine has brought us the fine conditions monday will slowly conditions on monday will slowly slip its way southwards , slip its way southwards, allowing front to then slip its way southwards, allowiits front to then slip its way southwards, allowiits way front to then slip its way southwards, allowiits way in front to then slip its way southwards, allowiits way in from nt to then slip its way southwards, allowiits way in from the) then move its way in from the northwest. so increasingly turning wet windy turning wet and windy for scotland ireland. scotland and northern ireland. first watch that first thing, we'll watch as that front pushes way front slowly pushes its way south during the day south eastwards during the day it to fizzle out, it will tend to fizzle out, turning patchier. so turning lighter and patchier. so certainly far south—east certainly the far south—east will dry for portion will stay dry for a good portion of we continue to see of the day. we continue to see though further bands of rain and showers moving their way in throughout of throughout the second half of the but enjoy the of the week, but enjoy the rest of your evening by looks like things are heating up boxt boilers . boilers. >> as sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> it's 10:00 news. >> it's10:00 on news. >> it's 10:00 on television, on >> it's10:00 on television, on radio and online in the united kingdom and across the world. this is mark dolan tonight in my take at ten, lee anderson may have used clumsy words and crossed the line, but the message is an important one. britain risks being in the grip of dangerous extremism , and of dangerous extremism, and killing the messenger won't make the problem go away . should lee the problem go away. should lee anderson defect to nigel farage's ukip and reform uk? i should say i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker, former government minister and reform uk stalwart ann widdecombe , plus uk stalwart ann widdecombe, plus tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from tonight's top pundits . so from tonight's top pundits. so a packed show, lots to get through. i'll be tackling the lee anderson issue. my first on air comments after the headlines with tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> mark, thank you very much. these are your top stories from the gb newsroom . labour is

the gb newsroom. labour is demanding assurances that suspended tory mp lee anderson won't have the whip returned today. the former deputy chair still refused to apologise for saying the london mayor was controlled by islamists. shadow cabinet office minister jonathan ashworth has written to rishi sunak to confirm that he won't be allowed back into the party. deputy prime minister oliver dowden says it was right to remove the whip from mr anderson i >>i -- >>ido -- >> i do not believe that lee anderson is an islamophobe, but words matter and the choice of words matter and the choice of words that he used , the choice words that he used, the choice of words that he used, was not appropriate . he was given the appropriate. he was given the opportunity to apologise . lies opportunity to apologise. lies didn't take that opportunity and therefore the chief whip took therefore the chief whip took the decision to remove the whip from him . another debate on gaza from him. another debate on gaza will be held in the commons after the chaotic vote on wednesday. >> the snp says it will take up the speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, offer of a meaningful debate on a new ceasefire motion. there

was uproar after he allowed mps to vote on a labour amendment, leading to calls for his resignation . an snp westminster resignation. an snp westminster leader , stephen flynn, says his leader, stephen flynn, says his party will seek to move the debate forward that will push parliament to support what he describes as concrete actions . describes as concrete actions. now some breaking news. this houn now some breaking news. this hour. the body of a missing teenage boy has been recovered from a lake in staffordshire shire. police were called to rudyard lake shortly after 930 last night after three boys were last night after three boys were last seen in the water. two of them were able to get out of the lake and were taken to hospital. specialist search teams attempted to find the third teenager, the 17 year old was eventually recovered this afternoon. police are not treating his death as suspicious . in other news, migrants have been intercepted trying to cross the channel for the first time in one week. 290 people were found on six small boats. today and were taken to the border force processing centre in

doven force processing centre in dover. the latest arrivals mean more than 2000 migrants have crossed the channel so far this year. crossed the channel so far this year . and the prime minister has year. and the prime minister has called on the united states to continue providing bolder military support for ukraine. that's following the second anniversary of russia's invasion . when writing in the sunday times, rishi sunak said ukraine's allies should use money obtained through russian sanctions and assets to fund ukraine's defence. this comes as president zelenskyy has told a conference of world leaders in kyiv today that russian forces will attempt another offensive in ukraine in late may or the summer. well, in response, zelenskyy says there's a clear plan for a new ukrainian offensive , but that he cannot offensive, but that he cannot share the details . for the share the details. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gb news. common arts. now it's back to . mark.

arts. now it's back to. mark. thanks tatiana. >> welcome to a busy mark dolan tonight night. should lee anderson defect to nigel farage's reform uk, i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker, former government minister ann widdecombe , plus tomorrow's widdecombe, plus tomorrow's newspaper front pages and live reaction in the studio from tonight's top pundits , tonight's top pundits, broadcaster and author fleet street legend nina meshkov , street legend nina meshkov, journalist and communications advisor linda jubilee and the leader of ukip, neil hamilton . leader of ukip, neil hamilton. plus, they'll be nominating their headline heroes and back page zeroes of the day, a packed hour and those papers are coming . but first, my take at ten. lee anderson has been on a journey that would make phileas fogg look like a home bod. born in nottinghamshire in his youth, he was a member of arthur scargill's national union of mineworkers, and in 1983 he campaigned for the labour party under michael foot. the most left wing labour leader in a

generation. lee anderson cites scargill and old school socialists like dennis skinner and tony benn as major influences in his early political beliefs . lee anderson political beliefs. lee anderson worked as a coal miner for ten years, just like his father, after which he served his community at the citizen's advice bureau and latterly in hospital and hostels supporting the homeless who had left care . the homeless who had left care. a lifelong member of the party, he was elected as a labour councillor in 2015, in ashfield , councillor in 2015, in ashfield, but in 2018 he defected to the tories in response to labour's position on brexit and what he called the takeover of the party by the hard left. hardly a controversial view, given that the momentum backed jeremy corbyn was their leader. he was elected a conservative councillor in mansfield in 2019, and the rest is history and now his career with the conservative leaves looks to be history to. after a poorly judged set of

remarks about the london mayor sadiq khan , speaking on this sadiq khan, speaking on this very channel, lee anderson, who is a good friend of mine and remains so, said that islamists had maya khan in their pocket. he said i don't actually believe that these islamists have got control of our country, but what i do believe is that they've got control of khan, they've got control of khan, they've got control of khan, they've got control of london. he's actually given our capital city away to his mates . given our capital city away to his mates. now i think it was deeply wrong to label khan in this way . lee anderson was given this way. lee anderson was given the opportunity to apologise, and if he had done, he would have remained a conservative member of parliament. it's unfortunate that he has not apologised , and what's not apologised, and what's not unfortunate is that he has rightly sparked a debate about the very real threat of islamism or islamic extremism to our democracy, to the rule of law and to the british way of life. it's misleading for sir keir starmer to label lee anderson's

remarks as racist or xenophobic, or even islamophobic. anderson is calling out extremism . people is calling out extremism. people on the so—called peace marches are chanting anti—semitic slogans, and just this week , slogans, and just this week, projecting anti—jewish hate speech onto big ben as glaring an assault on our values. as you can imagine, short of blowing the whole building up now , i've the whole building up now, i've had people on the show saying , had people on the show saying, from the river to the sea is not anti—semitic. well, the words by definition imply the disappearance of israel from the map , and many disappearance of israel from the map, and many say that disappearance of israel from the map , and many say that the words map, and many say that the words imply genocide. sounds pretty anti—semitic to me. i've done a few gigs at bar mitzvahs and jewish weddings, and let me assure you, from the river to the sea would not be my opening line . now, the vast majority of line. now, the vast majority of british muslims are our friends, our neighbours and our relatives. they're watching the show tonight. fellow brits, they make a huge contribution to this

country and our peace loving . country and our peace loving. but to vilify lee anderson for voicing concerns about dangerous extremists is to ignore a deeply sinister and growing problem in our country , and one which, as our country, and one which, as we saw in parliament, this week, strikes at the very heart of our democracy . after all, it was the democracy. after all, it was the leader of the opposition himself, sir keir starmer , who himself, sir keir starmer, who pressurised the commons speaker , pressurised the commons speaker, lindsay hoyle, into accepting a labour amendment which meant that labour mps did not have to vote on an immediate ceasefire. he made it clear to lindsay hoyle that if labour mps had not supported an immediate ceasefire, they would have faced threats of violence and possibly even murder. when they left the chamber. is that not worthy of comments on the part of lee anderson or any other member of parliament? starmer is rightly worried about islamic extremism. so is he islamophobic to do? miah khan and the met police not have a case to answer for the amount of anti—jewish rhetoric

displayed at those pro—palestinian marches. i think the political commentator and author douglas murray put it very well on twitter this weekend when he said it's become a great tradition in uk public life to not confront islamic extremism. instead each time there's an attack or threat , we there's an attack or threat, we sacrifice someone who said something about the threat and i see this season that lee anderson is the votive offering . anderson is the votive offering. brilliant. that'll solve everything, he said . here is the everything, he said. here is the lesson of the story. lee anderson has now gone, but the problem facing our country remains . as lee anderson been remains. as lee anderson been hung out to dry. let me know your thoughts. i'd especially like to hear from you. if you don't agree with what i've just said. mark gb news. com but first, my top pundits, broadcaster and author nina myskow, and myskow, journalist and

communications linda communications adviser linda jubilee, the leader of ukip , jubilee, and the leader of ukip, neil hamilton. linda, your reaction to the suspense of the whip on the part of lee anderson? well, i was inevitable that the whip had to be withdrawn . withdrawn. >> he certainly overstepped a line . in fact, i've had >> he certainly overstepped a line. in fact, i've had a conversation with him about that several weeks ago where he said, you did indeed have to be very careful about that line . but on careful about that line. but on this occasion he seemed to be shooting from the lip at the end of the day, he should have thought more carefully, carefully about what he was saying. and i'm talking about this in the capacity as a communications adviser. he should have got his hand on the edit button to try and work out exactly what he was going to say. now i agree with henry hill, the deputy editor of conservative home, who was on this earlier on today , this channel earlier on today, who said that most of the what he said was okay. and it supports what you're saying. mark but the bit about mayor khan could in fact, be actionable . it could be slander

actionable. it could be slander because remember, the only defence to that in law would be the one of fair comment and you actually have to prove with hard evidence the truth that underpins the fair comment and that i'm not sure that we've got that i'm not sure that we've got that now . so the situation is that now. so the situation is complicated with with lee anderson , who i know appeals to anderson, who i know appeals to many people , and i'm a great many people, and i'm a great admirer of his background and how far he's come. but but i think we all have to understand that he he cannot. it's been said that the whip has been removed. removed temporarily, perhaps , and that he will have perhaps, and that he will have to apologise if indeed he's going to be taken back into the fold. but the problem is it's not a problem actually . but my not a problem actually. but my observation is that i don't think that lee anderson will apologise , because it's got apologise, because it's got nothing to do with being intransigent. he does not believe he has said anything to believe he has said anything to be sorry about, so he isn't going to apologise. the question

is, what does he do next that is interesting . um, but the other interesting. um, but the other part of my observation is that i don't believe that london is in the grip of extremism. so i don't agree with you. i don't think that's happening. i'd like to see more evidence than just people protesting at the weekend. i would have to be really convinced to think that our capital city is actually in the grip of extremism. >> well, well, linda , do you >> well, well, linda, do you believe it's just the words and the concerns of the leader of the concerns of the leader of the opposition, sir keir starmer, who begged linda hoyle to accept that labour amendment because if labour mps did not back and vote for an immediate ceasefire , they would face ceasefire, they would face violence when leaving the house of commons. >> potential murder? that sounds pretty extreme to me. >> yeah, but it's also subjective and it's an observation and we don't know what went on in the room with with sir lindsay hoyle. we don't know exactly what the

conversation was because there were only two of them in the room. there even ejected the clerk, who was the person who understands the legal process inside chamber. he wasn't in inside the chamber. he wasn't in the room with them. no >> well, indeed. so although i understand that this decision to accept labour amendment , it accept the labour amendment, it went the advice of the went against the advice of the house of commons clerk working under the speaker. but listen, let me get your thoughts on this. neil hamilton, your reaction to this whole story . reaction to this whole story. >> i'm underwhelmed >> well, i'm rather underwhelmed by it in a way, because all that lee pointed out was the reality of what's happening in this country in particular in country and in particular in london. course, is all london. of course, this is all part the tories grand part of the tories grand electoral strategy to try to alienate possible alienate every possible grassroots tory voter before the election comes. and so we'll have a complete clean sweep. and they're very that they're doing very well at that at minute. and i think they at the minute. and i think they were latest were on 21% in the latest opinion poll, which is far , far opinion poll, which is far, far worse than john major in 1997. so what we've got running the tory party today is a collection of social democrats and wet centrist liberals who have

nothing in common whatsoever with ordinary people whom lee anderson represents and speaks for . you know, london has for. you know, london has changed, you know, 36% of the people in london identified themselves as white british in themselves as white british in the 2021 census, 36% in our capital city, there are now 4 million muslims in this country, whereas 20 years ago there were only 1.5 million and by 2050 it's projected that we shall have 13 million muslims in this country. now that's going to make a great difference to the way our political system works, because in the 2019 general election, 72% of muslims voted laboun election, 72% of muslims voted labour. so of course they've got a stranglehold on the labour party and sectarian politics has arrived in britain. big time. what we used to associate only with northern ireland is now increasingly going to affect in particular, our big cities in which the labour party is overwhelmingly preponderant. and so they're going to, in effect, have a stranglehold on the labour party. this is inevitable

with the figures as they are developing now . if we ignore developing now. if we ignore this, we ignore it at our peril and what we see on the streets in london with these pro—palestine marches is just a symptom of the problem and is a foretaste of what is to come. however neil, your concerns , however neil, your concerns, your projections about growing number of british muslims in the population, is that not islam phobic? >> no, i'm just saying 72% of them voted labour in 2019 and therefore your people who are muslim activists in the labour party are going to become more preponderant within it. >> and that means and you know , >> and that means and you know, who is driving these pro—palestine marches? the average member of the british pubucis average member of the british public is not, uh, as exercised about this issue as the. >> neil, you're completely wrong. the average member of the british public is not just exercise, but horrified by what is going on in gaza and before

we just well, i don't know what you're basing that on. extend this. the number of children and women that are being slaughtered, the number of people who had died innocent people, innocent victims blame hamas , not israel. you can you hamas, not israel. you can you can blame who you like. but the point terrorist state which point a terrorist state which attacked israel and slaughtered 15 on that as it may 15 people on that as it may innocent women and children are dying and we are seeing it on our televisions every night. and it's horrifying. it's very hard. >> why doesn't hamas surrender and hand over the hostages? >> hard to get through >> it's very hard to get through a news bulletin on gaza when you see children maimed or see young children maimed or crying . crying. >> but nina , we can all agree. >> but nina, we can all agree. >> but nina, we can all agree. >> but nina, we can all agree. >> but but does that justify violence and murderous threats on labour mps if they don't back a ceasefire, which is the reason why the vote was cancelled. >> that's that's, that's that's that's not it. the look, i have no , uh, truck with religion of no, uh, truck with religion of any kind, whether it's catholic , any kind, whether it's catholic, jewish, mormon or islam. i think

religion is the root of all of our problems. when it comes down to it. uh so i am not for, for, for any side. and i want to distinguish between jewish people, the israeli state and netanyahu, because those are all very, very different things. but l, very, very different things. but i, i want to say that we are london is not in the grip of islamist extremism . this is islamist extremism. this is inflammatory , it's divisive, and inflammatory, it's divisive, and it's the sort of rhetoric that we should not hear. and those marches, as far as i can tell apart, there are extremists in any organisation or any group of people , there will be an people, there will be an extremist, but the majority are are marching for just extremist, but the majority are are marching forjust peace. are marching for just peace. okay. cease fire now . cease fire okay. cease fire now. cease fire now. that's what they're saying. okay >> no problem. but there's no extremism in islamic extremism in britain except in the area around westminster. according to sir keir starmer. but listen, we're going to debate this at 1030 because my pundits are back for the papers. it's all over the papers. but up, should

the papers. but next up, should lee anderson defect to nigel farage's , i'll be farage's reform uk, i'll be asking tonight's newsmaker, former government minister and reform uk stalwart ann widdecombe , who's.

earlier on gb news radio . well, earlier on gb news radio. well, a big reaction to my take at ten, of course , lee anderson is ten, of course, lee anderson is now an independent in the house of commons. >> after his comments about the mayor of london, sadiq khan. dear mark lee anderson speaks for hundreds of thousands of people, maybe millions , with his people, maybe millions, with his comments about a muslim extremist takeover of the uk, says barry. glennis says could you please tell nina myskow that women and children were killed and destroyed when hamas went in to kill and do atrocities on their planned raid . on the 7th their planned raid. on the 7th of october? for the tories , says of october? for the tories, says annie in norwich , are totally

annie in norwich, are totally wrong to suspend lee anderson. he's the only mp who understood bands ordinary people . well, bands ordinary people. well, okay. fascinating stuff. well look, let's, uh, let's do more on this now and lee anderson's comments about the london mayor, sadiq khan, have been poorly received in some quarters. his subsequent subsequent suspension from the tory party has happened . so let's get reaction from tonight's newsmaker, former government minister, television personality and reform uk supporter ann widdecombe. and great to see you again. first of all, did lee anderson go too far in his remarks about the london mayor? well superficially it looks that way. >> but what i always say when these sorts of rallies blow up, which is every five minutes in westminster, but when these sort of rows blow up, i always say there is a stage before demanding apology . and that demanding an apology. and that stage say , would you stage is to say, would you please justify what you've said ? please justify what you've said? now, as far as i can make out, nobody's actually asked him to do and can't do that. and if you can't justify what you say, then of course should required to

course you should be required to apologise. but if you can apologise. um, but if you can explain justify what you explain and justify what you say, um, then that is a different matter altogether. and that stage seems to me, uh, to have been missing in the way that the conservative party has reacted . um, now, this is a that the conservative party has reacted. um, now, this is a man who who does speak up for the ordinary person who is very popular in what you might call the red wall. uh, and, uh, i think there should have been that, that intermediate stage where you say, hang on, you've just said this now explain why you've said it. just said this now explain why you've said it . justify it. you've said it. justify it. that's what i would have said before moving on to the apology. the suspension , the great the suspension, the great grandstanding . for heaven's grandstanding. for heaven's sake, calm down, everybody, and do you think there's any chance that the conservative whip will be reinstated ? i don't know, be reinstated? i don't know, i mean, i've given up quite honestly, trying to understand the mentality of the people who are running the conservative party. if you like the high

command, i simply don't understand it any more. and therefore i cannot predict what they will do. um, all i can say is that it would not surprise me if they rode back and decided to reinstate it. equally, it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't. i don't know what they'll do. they, they they no longer act along predictable line. i mean, john major's line. you mentioned john tonight, for example. john major's line was always in isn't until proved guilty. if guilty , then we act. guilty. if guilty, then we act. now that seems to me straightforward and whitcombe were the conservatives wrong to suspend the whip? >> has rishi sunak bottled it? >> has rishi sunak bottled it? >> i really, honestly i can't answer that because as i say, that that intermediate stage is missing where you say justify it, explain it, you know, did you get something? did you miss phrase something or did you really mean this? and if so, what's your evidence for heaven's sake? that praises heaven's sake? um, that praises that that is missing .

that that is missing. >> and sorry to interrupt you, lee anderson made a statement and he said, look, i make no apologies pointing out the apologies for pointing out the law and disorder in london and every weekend, anti—social semitic slogans being chanted and among extremists with impunity. so that's the context in which he placed his remarks. >> ah, yes. but he talked about taking over the mayor of london that then personalise the issue. that's slightly different. i'm totally with him. uh, when he talks about you know, what we're seeing on the marches and there is under reliably discriminatory policing. no, no, you police very hard uh, when it's an anti palestinian. but you let the, the um i almost said pro hamas. uh but you let those who are against the war in gaza actually beam stuff on to big ben, uh, which is unlawful . and the which is unlawful. and the police just stood there and let it happen. and yet these are the same police who will come down like a ton of bricks if some middle aged, harmless christian woman is praying in her head,

saying nothing out loud within so many yards of an abortion clinic, you know, the same police now, is that evenhanded policing? >> most definitely . or if you >> most definitely. or if you had the temerity a couple of years ago to protest against those ruinous and scientific debateable lockdowns , an now, debateable lockdowns, an now, you mentioned that lee anderson is a very popular figure nationally , as are you. of nationally, as are you. of course. do you think that lee anderson should defect to reform uk ? uk? >> well, that's got to be a matter for lee anderson. and let me say right away, mark, i do. i'm not in charge of vetting membership. >> would you would you like would you like lee anderson to join reform uk. >> what your reaction be >> what would your reaction be if to defect? ann what if he were to defect? ann what would your reaction be? would you i would you welcome him? i would certainly likes of certainly welcome the likes of lee anderson, because i think that , um, you lee anderson, because i think that, um, you he speaks that, um, you know, he speaks for ordinary people, uh, a for ordinary people, uh, in a way that an awful lot of politicians do not. >> uh, he is not out of touch with feeling on the ground. he's very much in touch with uh, very much in touch with it. uh,

but as i say, i am not responsible vetting responsible for vetting membership applications. um, and it's up to lee. i, you know, i make no presumption that lee wants to join reform. i don't know what he wants to do. wants to join reform. i don't knoand 1at he wants to do. wants to join reform. i don't knoand we'lle wants to do. wants to join reform. i don't knoand we'll catchs to do. wants to join reform. i don't knoand we'll catch up» do. wants to join reform. i don't knoand we'll catch up ino. >> and we'll catch up in a week's time. my thanks to former government minister ann widdecombe. fascinating thoughts. reaction to what thoughts. your reaction to what ann had to say. market gb news. com next up, the papers with full pundit reaction. see you into .

an earlier on gb news radio . an earlier on gb news radio. >> welcome back. it's time now for tomorrow's front pages . for tomorrow's front pages. >> we start with the express. uh, dame esther backed by the chancellor, over a vote on assisted dying. read delight after last gasp winner for klopp's men and damning claims of 250,000 extra migrants a year

under labour. sir keir starmer's open door policy on migrants could lead to an extra quarter of a million arriving in britain every year , according to a new every year, according to a new report out i newspaper. tory party in the gutter over racism . party in the gutter over racism. um warns baroness warsi. she's a former chair of the party. she says muslims are treated as electoral campaign fodder with racism tolerated . metro tv's racism tolerated. metro tv's kate court in spike epidemic tv reporter kate mccann has told of the horrifying night her drink was spiked at a club, leaving her feeling out of her body and slumped on the floor. >> the daily telegraph now red wall revolt over lee anderson sacking. >> rishi sunak is facing warnings from red wall tory mps of a voter backlash over his sacking of lee anderson, according to leaked whatsapp messages that can be disclosed by the telegraph. some tory mps privately told colleagues their

inbox were flooded with supportive messages about mr anderson after he was stripped of the whip at workers in their 20s, more likely to be signed off sick and plan for foreign criminals to be deported rather than jailed . the times now than jailed. the times now cleverly warns of ai fakes and a threat to the election , and poor threat to the election, and poor mental health keeps young adults out of work. the guardian sunak urged to speak out as islamophobia row deepens within the conservative party and fears that hunt's tax cuts will trigger a new era of austerity , trigger a new era of austerity, britain's stretched public services will buckle under the weight of spending cuts planned for after the election, economists have warned . as economists have warned. as jeremy hunt prepares for another round of tax reductions in next week's budget generation. sick note young people are increasingly blaming mental health problems for being jobless, say the mail. the number of 18 to 24 year olds who

are economically inactive due to health issues has more than doubled in the past decade, rising . from 93,000 to 190,000. rising. from 93,000 to 190,000. son newspaper arsenal aces protection prem stars xl bully guard dog and last but not least, a daily star leap day downpours to make it rainiest february in 258 years. wet, wet, wet is the headline torrential rain on leap day this week will confirm february as the wettest since records began in 1766. muddy, marvellous , say the daily muddy, marvellous, say the daily star . muddy, marvellous, say the daily star. fascinating stuff. let's get reaction now from my top punst get reaction now from my top pundits tonight. i'm delighted to welcome the one and only nina michkov. we have linda jubilee and neil hamilton . that's right. and neil hamilton. that's right. last but not least, worth the wait. i think you'll agree . i wait. i think you'll agree. i thought the director had gone to the pub there. listen, let's get to a good number of our stories. can i just ask you, are there 29

days february year? days in february this year? >> there yes. you can >> yes, there are. yes. you can propose your propose 29. your >> you're any of it? well, you're already married, so see you're already married, so see you're out. christine's not going to give you a shock. >> she does that every day. >> she does that every day. >> i know that she might >> well i know that she might fall her but for fall to her knees, but for a different reason. >> i'm not married. >> i'm not married. >> are are you >> you are, are you? are you courting the moment? no. all courting at the moment? no. all right. at right. so there's a i'm at a disadvantage. i right in disadvantage. am i right in thinking that the gentleman. no. the can propose. that's the lady can propose. that's right. >> f- f 29 point of it. yeah. >> on the 29 point of it. yeah. >> on the 29 point of it. yeah. >> and you have to give you >> and if you have to give you a pair of gloves or something, there really arcane. there was some really arcane. >> knew you'd know that. >> i knew you'd know about that. nina what's story with nina what's the story with you and happily unmarried >> we're very happily unmarried and up to our 34th year and coming up to our 34th year in june . all right. in june. all right. >> thursday is the 29th. >> thursday is the 29th. >> yes. so >> yes. so >> so should should grant get ready for some special conversation? >> no no no no, neither of us are. no, not not really . it's are. no, not not really. it's his birthday tomorrow, by the way. >> first of all, grant, don't panic, because that could be a double bluff. and secondly, happy birthday he happy birthday tomorrow. he looks that man, it's looks about 25. that man, it's totally unfair. happy birthday. grant is in the

grant who i think is in the green room watching the show. now let's some now listen, let's get to some rather political stories. rather juicy political stories. um, and, look, appears um, and, uh, look, this appears to damaging tory to be very damaging for the tory party tory party in party nina myskow tory party in the over warns the gutter over racism, warns their former chair, baroness warsi . warsi. >> yes, i mean, and, uh, baroness davidson, the former ruth davidson , um, leader of the ruth davidson, um, leader of the scottish conservative party, calls it absolute bollocks. and you know, there is no you know, there are extremists , as i said there are extremists, as i said before. but to say there's extremism in london and we've been taken over somehow is nonsense. >> it's absolutely. but if members of parliament are afraid to vote a certain way , have the to vote a certain way, have the extremists not one, no , they extremists not one, no, they haven't one. >> they haven't one. >> they haven't one. >> is there better example of >> is there a better example of them not won than them having not won than influencing our democracy? >> well , the decision that >> well, well, the decision that was taken , uh, the other day was was taken, uh, the other day was the wrong decision . the wrong decision. >> and you can't you can't, you know, lindsay hoyle made a decision for whatever reason. but it was the wrong decision .

but it was the wrong decision. >> i mean, are they scared to vote? how do we know that? and even if they are nervous about voting and i appreciate it's horrific that the houses are actually the protesters are outside houses . i do actually the protesters are outside houses. i do think that's very wrong. >> and constituency offices, i mean, you're in politics for goodness sake. >> well, know , alexei >> well, you know, alexei navalny didn't get where he was by being scared . by being scared. >> i'd know exactly what he's got. sadly i was a minister in northern ireland and i was on an ira death list. >> but you know , the >> yeah, but you know, the reality today is that on the mainland of great britain , when mainland of great britain, when there are threats of violence which you have to take seriously, two members of parliament have been murdered. >> in recent times, >> yes, but not in recent times, not lone wolf. not by lone wolf. >> lone wolf attacks. she. >> lone wolf attacks. she. >> she was jo cox was not >> well, she was jo cox was not point. was. she was murdered point. she was. she was murdered by right fanatic. yes, by a right wing fanatic. yes, yes. that's completely david >> so that's completely david amess murdered islamist. >> so you go. so but on >> so there you go. so but on the streets we've seen in in recent weeks the, the placards which are basically calling for the annihilation of israel can't

be any other meaning attached to it. >> from the to river the sea. that's exactly what it means. hamas is explicitly committed to the destruction of israel. the 10 million people who live in israel, israel , and 10 million people who live in israel, israel, and find it surprising . surprising. >> but that's not palestinian people. no, this is the point. >> we're talking about britain and what's happening at the time. >> finish w“ ? point, neil, >> you finish your point, neil, i'll come to nina. >> about what's >> you're talking about what's happening in happening on our streets, in our country happening country and what's happening to our there our political system. um, there was an poll that was done was an icm poll that was done for 4 recently for a for channel 4 recently for a programme entitled programme that they entitled what british muslims really think, and 12% of those who were polled thought that terrorist acts could be extenuated or forgiven if there was a political motive behind them . political motive behind them. now this you can ignore this . now this you can ignore this. you can poo poo it. it's growing and we know what's happening through migration, which is uncontrolled . we have no idea uncontrolled. we have no idea who these people coming here are. >> the people in small boats, other people behind death other people behind the death threats hate threats and projecting hate speech ben , the speech onto big ben, the inflammatory ones. >> it's debateable whether >> well, it's debateable whether what was what put on, on, on

what was what was put on, on, on big ben is hate speech because do you think from the river to the sea is anti—semitic? >> i, i'm not sure that it is. i think it can be, but i think the original. >> is that not enough for it to be a problem ? be a problem? >> the original meaning was not that. >> and the thing is. no, no, i think nina is right. >> the original meaning was not that. >> the original meaning was not that . but it >> the original meaning was not that. but it has come to mean that. but it has come to mean thatis that. but it has come to mean that is there a single jew in the country that would be comfortable with the terms from the river the sea? the river to the sea? >> obviously not. >> no. obviously not. >> no. obviously not. >> well, then why don't you condemn heartedly? >> a whole heartedly? being projected onto big ben? >> well, i think it's definitely wrong wrong wrong to do. it's wrong to do that. >> of course that is. of course it's wrong it. but to say it's wrong to do it. but to say that in the grip of some that we are in the grip of some kind terror, terrorist kind of terror, terrorist explosion, it's like explosion, i mean, it's like it's how many, it's like saying how many, how many arena explosions do many monster arena explosions do we have to have before you accept the reality? that's many years now. i take you years ago now. and i take you back when the ira were to back to when the ira were to where we did live through that. and it was. and we are not we don't want to replicate it in this context. the more you say

these things, the more inflammatory more inflammatory it becomes, more the more become the more people become terrified, the more they look at, are we not? >> when you say that, are we not simply talking about a problem which exists, which is extremism? >> course , because extremism? >> course, because feel >> of course, because i feel like you're extremism denier. like you're an extremism denier. >> no, am not an extremism >> no, i am not an extremism designer. but how has it manifested on our streets every weekend since october the 7th? they're just demonstrated nations, and we were allowed to have a we must have the right to demonstrate. >> you've got to look at it in perspective. they are demonstrations. these these are happening every week. and many people, you know, i've got many family members close friends, associates. they don't like these demonstrations . but the these demonstrations. but the number of extremists in them is relatively small. >> you don't need many. >> you don't need many. >> and i would and i would also like to come back to the reader who the reader, the, um, viewer who the reader, the, um, viewer who came to you. um, i of course, i abhor what happened on october the 7th, but that goes without saying. i'm not saying

that. without saying. i'm not saying that . but two wrongs don't without saying. i'm not saying that. but two wrongs don't make a right. >> is it wrong to defend yourself? >> you can defend yourself, but that's what israel is doing. but then you can't have then i think 30, you can't have a disproportionate response . a disproportionate response. >> i that's the key. 30,000 people. it's obvious it's disproportionate. >> what would solve the problem is if hamas were to disarm to and hand over the. >> that's not going >> no, that's not going to happen. just i just happen. may i just may i just may i continue that 30,000 people just careless , it's people isn't just careless, it's collateral damage as far as i'm concerned. >> well, these are hamas, not. >> well, these are hamas, not. >> do you not think that hamas needs to be completely destroyed, given the fact that they are have made a stated aim of october the 7th of repeating october the 7th again again again, and again and again and again, and that's threat. that's a direct threat. >> cannot destroy an ideology. >> you can't destroy an ideology because you can disarm an ideology , though can't, ideology, though you you can't, you know, battalions in, you know, the 24 battalions in, in, in gaza have now been taken out by israel. >> all six left and they're in rafah. all of the all of the relatives , those surviving relatives, those surviving relatives, those surviving relatives of the 30,000 people who have been killed , if they who have been killed, if they were to join hamas, would that

be a big surprise? well, why don't they get rid of hamas and don't they get rid of hamas and do something positive? >> i think i've got to say, i think you're right. i'm think you're both right. i'm very this issue, and very torn on this issue, and it's complex, it? it's so complex, isn't it? should we a more local should we get to a more local issue? and this is issue? nina myskow and this is about young people suffering mental health issues who are daily mail are labelling generation sick notes the number of 18 to 24 year olds who were economically inactive due to health issues has more than doubled in the past decade, rising . from 93,000 to 190,000. rising. from 93,000 to 190,000. i mean , this is not good, is it? i mean, this is not good, is it? >> no. well, no, it's not good. and i don't want to fall into the trap of saying, well , the the trap of saying, well, the younger generation, they're all snowflakes, idiots fall into the trap. no, no, no , no. but the trap. no, no, no, no. but the thing is, i think they have been brought up in a different way. and they've been brought up. yeah, the issue is that the we medicalize things that happen in normal life and life being tough and life being tough , you have

and life being tough, you have to accept life has challenges and you have to learn how to overcome them. >> you can't just medicalize every single bad incident that happens. >> i think they haven't been given chances to, to, to, to, to, to be resilient. >> nina, i look at you, you've had a very successful career in journalism and broadcasting. >> i doubt you've had a day off work your whole career for, work in your whole career for, um, nearly. >> never pulled i've >> i've never pulled a i've never a in my life. >> so what's gone wrong with this had >> so what's gone wrong with this health had >> so what's gone wrong with this health issues. had >> so what's gone wrong with this health issues. you've had mental health issues. you've had a life. you've worked hard. a hard life. you've worked hard. life's not easy. what's the difference between your generation and the next? >> because given it >> because i was given it because the things that because of all the things that went, know, went went, you know, that went wrong in i was given in my life. i was given a chance. had to sink or swim. chance. i had to sink or swim. but think this but i don't think this generation learn that, generation has to learn that, nina, should they learn that , nina, should they learn that, they learn that. and the they should learn that. and the thing you, thing is, i think also when you, as linda says, when you medicalize things , you know, medicalize things, you know, people talk about, oh, my mental health, my mental health, there's much are there's too much there are genuinely many, there's too much there are genui|people many, there's too much there are genui|people are many, there's too much there are genui|people are suffering, many people who are suffering dreadful mental health and too much introspection, too much

navel gazing, much introspection, too much navel gazing , too much rowing in navel gazing, too much rowing in the culture wars, there's not enough focus on actually achieving points. >> study hard work , hard merit, >> study hard work, hard merit, merit . pass your exams, get a or merit. pass your exams, get a or don't pass your exams. go for a practical job. >> it's so easy to get a sick note for something which has no physical manifestation, which you yes, and do you you can see. yes, and do you think that the important issue of mental health and if someone's struggling out there, they must, especially people watching or listening, they should reach out help. should reach out for help. >> suicide is >> oh, male male suicide is through but but you through the roof. but but do you think are weaponising think others are weaponising mental health in order to not have to go to work? neil. yeah, i'm sure there are lots of people doing that. >> and there are 6.5 million people benefits this people on benefits in this country. they're not old country. and they're not old people who can't physically work or suffer from real mental problems, which make them impossible to employ. but, you know, if you're self—employed and you can't get a sick note because if you don't work, you don't earn well . you been don't earn well. you been self—employed for years , and i self—employed for years, and i hardly ever have a day off.

>> you've just got to look at this with a question. it's got to have perspective and balance. i a child that had quite i do have a child that had quite serious issues in serious mental health issues in his now he's he's his teenage years. now he's he's got a fantastic job and he he's got a fantastic job and he he's got in fact master's got in fact two master's degrees. and he ended up fine and married and and he's getting married and he's but needed he's really happy. but he needed a degree of help through years when he was a teenager. now you can't ignore that kind of mental challenge . i'm not saying that, challenge. i'm not saying that, but i am saying that you can't not give a pill every time someone has a wobbly moment and briefly , neil, my concern, neil, briefly, neil, my concern, neil, is that, uh, you know, we've got this many young people not going to work at a certain point, the economy is going to fall over, isn't it? >> yeah. well, they're to >> yeah. well, they're going to be supported rest of be supported by the rest of us who working. 75 who are still working. i'm 75 years and still working , years old and i'm still working, and expensive wife and i've got an expensive wife to maintain. >> well, no doubt she's >> well, i'm no doubt she's she's bling. she's bling bling. >> christine, let's not get to all of your opinions very shortly. listen, josh, you haven't got that express front page on you, have you? because we're to do that after the

we're going to do that after the break. take a look at this story. damning claims say story. um, damning claims say the daily express tomorrow, uh, of 250,000 extra migrants a year under labour, are the floodgates about to open ? we'll debate that about to open? we'll debate that next. okay so there you go. look. there you go. that's back. back to me, josh. that's fine, because let me tell you, we've also got my pundits. uh headline heroes but heroes and back page zeroes. but uh, are going to have an uh, are we going to have an influx migration under influx of migration under a labour government? we will discuss two minutes. discuss that in two minutes. don't anywhere .

okay now, listen, let's a look at the daily express. this is a shocking story, a damning claims of a quarter of a million extra migrants, a year under labour. sir keir starmer has open door policy could lead to policy on migrants could lead to an extra 250,000 arriving in britain every year , according to britain every year, according to a new report . thought not only

a new report. thought not only are you a consultant , a new report. thought not only are you a consultant, a political communications consultant , political communications consultant, um, linda, your former newspaper person as well, do you buy this story? do you think there's anything in this? doesit think there's anything in this? does it stand up, this three out of an extra quarter of a million migrants a year under labour? well want to know is how well what i want to know is how they've come that 250,000 they've come to that 250,000 figure. like to know what >> i'd like to know what underpins first, it's underpins it. first, but it's not in conceivable that this could happen. and if it did happen, it would be disaster. truss because we can't carry on this way. funding even controlled immigration even of this level . i controlled immigration even of this level. i mean, i'm not talking about the boats, i'm talking about the boats, i'm talking about the boats, i'm talking about controlled immigration. also flow is a problem in this country. >> well, let me offer you the intel that you were asking for the right . it's that the express right. it's that cosying up to brussels by joining wide returns joining an eu wide returns agreement would increase net immigration by almost 130,000 a year alone , scrapping the year alone, scrapping the government's rwanda scheme may

ramp the figure up by a further 10,000 a year. >> that's not nonsense. >> that's not nonsense. >> the henry jackson society report also points out that labour may reverse the rule, blocking care workers from bringing their dependents to the uk, increasing immigration by a further 120,000. i mean, will there be more immigration under a labour government? linda? >> well, if you scrap , let me >> well, if you scrap, let me just take that rwanda policy first. if you scrap that , you're first. if you scrap that, you're you're going to be adding to the figures by £10,000. that's just not true, okay? they just can't shift enough people they haven't got policy. shift enough people they haven't got this policy. shift enough people they haven't got this is policy. shift enough people they haven't got this is assuming that that >> this is assuming that that rishi sunak is going to get 10,000 people into on a plane on planes to go to rwanda, right where there's only housing for about five. >> right. >> right. >> so you're dismissing the rwanda what about rwanda aspect, but what about the agreement with the the returns agreement with the eu? will there more migration eu? will there be more migration under more in? under labour, bring more in? >> if we get a returns >> surely if we get a returns agreement, we can we can return them. it's not people being what do there be more migration >> will there be more migration under labour. >> i don't think >> yeah, but i don't think there'll that many more there'll be that many more compared with what happens under the you know the

the tories anyway. you know the doors been blown long doors have been blown off long ago. yeah. >> saying there's not >> so you're saying there's not much a difference in the much of a difference in the figures labour or figures whether it's labour or conservative? 700,000. figures whether it's labour or con that's ve? 700,000. figures whether it's labour or conthat's right. 700,000. figures whether it's labour or conthat's right. last 700,000. figures whether it's labour or conthat's right. last year. 10,000. >> that's right. last year. >> that's right. last year. >> 750. >> 750. >> yeah, yeah we've added 6.5 million people. this is a typical daily express hysterical headune. headline. >> what we would have called a beat up. >> yes, exactly. there you go. >> yes, exactly. there you go. >> well, listen, nina's not having it. listen, let's get to your headline, and back your headline, heroes and back page your headline, heroes and back page of day and, page zeroes of the day and, nina, who's your hero today? christopher nolan. >> because in the sag awards last night, oppenheimer, his film won even more awards than it looks like. he's going on his way an oscar, which would be way to an oscar, which would be fantastic , which is wonderful fantastic, which is a wonderful showcase for the british film industry. know ? good, good industry. you know? good, good on him. >> i forward to watching >> i look forward to watching that soon. and how about that film soon. and how about you, headline you, linda? your your headline hero. i'm not a cricket fan, but i was struck by an obit in the financial times talking about i was struck by an obit in the finegreat times talking about i was struck by an obit in the finegreat mike; talking about i was struck by an obit in the finegreat mike procter] about i was struck by an obit in the finegreat mike procter , about i was struck by an obit in the finegreat mike procter , whot i was struck by an obit in the finegreat mike procter , who was the great mike procter, who was a player for south africa, who was said to be one of the greatest cricket all rounders in

20th century cricket , who never 20th century cricket, who never had a test, um, career, never had a test, um, career, never had a test series career. >> because of this, sporting sanctions in south africa from the beginning to the end, it never happened. and when asked about it, did you ever , you about it, did you ever, you know, feel regret for that not happening ? he it's nothing happening? he said it's nothing compared to the suffering of 40 million people and hence he went on from his home in durban to coach young black kids in cricket. and i think that shows such integrity and such humanity that he is my hero. >> what a hero. um briefly, neil, you've gone for lee anderson , my man of the people. anderson, my man of the people. >> lee anderson, who's welcome to defect to ukip any time we welcome with open arms most definitely. >> well, look, let's get to your back. zero briefly. if you back. page zero briefly. if you can. nina, who's your loser of the ? the day? >> the entire house of commons for playing politics in what is really a dreadful situation where people are dying in gaza and they were running around whosever fault. it was whoever won. you want to blame. but the entire house of commons just

disgraced themselves . disgraced themselves. >> and linda, you're not happy with parliament namely, with parliament either. namely, the snp the leader of the snp in westminster . westminster. >> yeah, think stephen >> yeah, yeah, i think stephen flynn , um, looked me to be flynn, um, looked to me to be disingenuous and manipulative and a little machiavellian, but i think what i really didn't like was this ranting that went on, you know, i've seen kids in primary schools have more self control and more gravity , control and more gravity, frankly. okay. >> well, of course , many would >> well, of course, many would argue that stephen flynn was doing his job and doing it very well. some people think he might be leader , having be the next snp leader, having impressed a few people. >> i don't think. i >> maybe, but i don't think. i don't think you should lose control that way. if you're in any of authority. any position of authority. >> is angela rayner in >> neil, why is angela rayner in hot water with you? >> leader? >> labour deputy leader? >> labour deputy leader? >> obvious hypocrisy >> well, the obvious hypocrisy of take away the of wanting to take away the right of people their own right of people to buy their own council houses or flats whilst having herself pocketed the profit at which she's sitting on. >> on. >> does she not want to just look at the detail of the policy and make it more fair ?

and make it more fair? >> no, i think certainly in wales i know that the labour party have actually removed the right i guess that's right to buy and i guess that's the policy of the labour party right to buy and i guess that's thewell. :y of the labour party right to buy and i guess that's thewell. :y of isn't_abour party right to buy and i guess that's thewell. :y of isn't at our party right to buy and i guess that's thewell. :y of isn't at the party as well. if it isn't at the moment, sure it will moment, i'm sure it will be okay. >> e’- okay. >> look, thank you w look, thank you so okay. >> look, thank you so much >> well, look, thank you so much to my fabulous top pundits. uh, linda nina myskow and linda jubilee, nina myskow and neil hamilton . really enjoyed neil hamilton. really enjoyed your company and really enjoyed your company and really enjoyed your company and really enjoyed your company the radio and on your company on the radio and on tv. the show is nothing without you. thanks the emails. you. thanks for the emails. thank watching thank you for watching and for listening. i am back on friday at 8:00 and of course saturday and sunday nine till 11 for all your favourite aspects of the show. the big opinion the take at ten mark meets and my top pundits. so lots to get through. don't forget. next up you have the headliners with a very witty and entertaining look at tomorrow's big stories. well done to maria , nicola and done to maria, nicola and mezhgan plus of course josh as well. what a dream team! see you on friday at eight.

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filtering in on that for north eastern eastern eastern england and eastern scotland as well. temperatures will where expect will be around where we'd expect them the time of year, them to be for the time of year, but as i said, that cold breeze could certainly it feel a could certainly make it feel a little bitter even into little bit bitter even into tuesday, of tuesday, this ridge of high pressure brought us the pressure that has brought us the fine on monday fine conditions on monday will slowly slip its way southwards, allowing cold front to then allowing this cold front to then move its way from the move its way in from the northwest. increasingly northwest. so increasingly turning windy for turning wet and windy for scotland and northern ireland. first that first thing, we'll watch as that front slowly pushes its way south eastwards during the day it to fizzle out, it will tend to fizzle out, turning lighter and patchier, so certainly far south—east certainly the far south—east will a good portion will stay dry for a good portion of the day. we continue to see though further bands of rain and showers moving their way in throughout the second of throughout the second half of the week, enjoy the rest of the week, but enjoy the rest of your by. your evening by. >> looks like things heating >> looks like things are heating up boilers sponsors of up boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

gb news. >> good evening. let's start with some breaking news this evening. a man is in a critical condition after setting himself alight outside the israeli embassy in washington. that's according to local authorities. the fire was put out by the secret service . the man is now secret service. the man is now in hospital with life threatening injuries. local police and secret service are

investigating the incident. the embassy of