gb news. >> it's 11:00 here with gb news. and tonight lee anderson has told gb news. he refuses to apologise and sadiq khan has lost control of to london a tiny majority of extremists. his comments come after the london mayor accused the former tory deputy chairman of pouring petrol on the flames of islamophobia. mr anderson has admitted his words were clumsy when he previously suggested islamists had got control of the

mayor of london. he said he intended to highlight what he believed was mr khan's failure to tackle pro—palestine protest . to tackle pro—palestine protest. >> sadiq khan is london, he runs london. he's responsible for everything . he is mr london, so everything. he is mr london, so i stick by my words in that we have lost control or losing control of the city. when people, like i say, patrick again and again can come out and demonstrate hate and shout murderous chants and put these graphics onto, onto big ben from the to river the sea and nothing happens. the to river the sea and nothing happens . we got yobbos running happens. we got yobbos running around with masks on, which is now illegal, and the police stand idly by and do nothing. who has got control of parliament square .7 is it the parliament square? is it the extremists it mayor khan extremists or is it mayor khan and the metropolitan? metropolitan police? lee anderson, now the home secretary , is set to call on the international community to take collective action on migration . collective action on migration. >> speaking during a two day visit to america , james cleverly visit to america, james cleverly will urge countries to work together to address the migration causes. root causes of

migration causes. root causes of migration and smash the people smuggling gangs. he'll also call for a global conversation over the impact on countries that migrants decide to leave of a trans gender killer has been jailed for life and told to serve a minimum terme of 24 years for the murder of george martin chirino, 26 year old scarlett blake targeted him as part of a fantasy inspired by a netflix documentary. george was . netflix documentary. george was. hit on the head as he walked home from a night out in oxford in july 2021 and pushed into the river cherwell, where he drowned. his murder came four months after blake live streamed the killing of a cat , the the killing of a cat, the ministry of justice has confirmed . blake is being held confirmed. blake is being held in a male prison. confirmed. blake is being held in a male prison . the nhs has in a male prison. the nhs has spent a third day under severe pressure today as junior doctors walked out across england. it's the 10th time doctors have stopped work since march as their bitter row with the government over pay continues . government over pay continues. the british medical association

says the government is happy for the strikes to proceed, but rishi sunak denied trying to run down nhs, insisting instead down the nhs, insisting instead his government had delivered record funding for the health service . for the latest stories, service. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. >> hello and welcome to headliners, your first look at tuesday's newspapers. >> i'm simon evans tonight i am joined by comedian stephen allen and nick initials dickson. how are you both ? are you both? >> pretty good. thanks. yeah. >> pretty good. thanks. yeah. >> anything you want to say? >> anything you want to say? >> um. feeling a little. >> um. feeling a little. >> a little under the weather, but i'm here because i don't work for the government . so you work for the government. so you just have to come in. work for the government. so you justyou're to come in. work for the government. so you justyou're goingie in. work for the government. so you justyou're going to n. in the >> you're going to die in the saddle, aren't you, nick? yeah. these days, whereas more these days, whereas added more sexual. had

sexual. well because you've had paternity . sexual. well because you've had pat yeah. . sexual. well because you've had pat yeah. and there's nothing >> yeah. oh, and there's nothing more than a month more restful than having a month old so squalling old child at home so squalling and bawling . and bawling. >> i do a bit of that. yeah, i do a lot of crying. >> and that's just good to see. >> and that's just good to see. >> you look well on it. you do? thank you. you look well rested. >> you look well on it. you do? tguess'ou. you look well rested. >> you look well on it. you do? tguess'ou. yo the ok well rested. >> you look well on it. you do? tguess'ou. yothe makeup'ested. i guess that's the makeup department. a look at department. let's take a look at those pages. the times those front pages. the times kick off. i'm in proof that britain it says kick off. i'm in proof that britain and it says kick off. i'm in proof that britain and there it says kick off. i'm in proof that britain and there j—los kick off. i'm in proof that britain and there j—lo looking sunak and there is j—lo looking like a gigachad telegraph army wives force mod u—turn over housing and a radio four present. i'm not sure what that story is. guardian experts warn hunt over dubious case for unfunded budget tax cuts . man unfunded budget tax cuts. man pictured looking for tax cuts. financial times sweden clears last hurdle to join nato as putin's war shifts alliance borders and the eye news hunt has six days to find tax cuts to save tory mps . finally, the save tory mps. finally, the daily star sing for your supper. hopefully we will get to on

that. those were your front pages. that. those were your front pages . so we that. those were your front pages. so we start that. those were your front pages . so we start with the pages. so we start with the times , steve. times, steve. >> yep. headline is i'm proof that britain isn't racist. not my words. >> the words of rishi sunak, who's proved well , it says here who's proved well, it says here he wants to take the heat out of the row over islamophobia. well as a well known islamist . wait as a well known islamist. wait a minute. maybe there's a bit a minute. maybe there's a bit of a gap in the logic on this one. but mean, he's done well for but i mean, he's done well for himself, financially , both himself, both financially, both in of the career and matt in terms of the career and matt ridley. but i suppose it ridley. um but i suppose it makes us circle back over to the class issue. if you've got a lot of money, you go to a good school, you can do well in this country. so maybe the problems are actually more about how poor people struggle. people have to struggle. >> i at length about >> i wrote at some length about this to be honest, was this and to be honest, i was disappointed that i didn't manage perceptively shift the manage to perceptively shift the national conversation. but a couple of years ago, yes, well , couple of years ago, yes, well, when, um, when she, um , uh, kill when, um, when she, um, uh, kill a mockingbird and there was an

attempt in the jon rahm to tie that story to the death of george floyd, which had happened about six months and about six months earlier. and i was just annoyed with it because exactly for what you say, the dividing lines in this country always boil down to money. i don't it used to be class, which was distinguishable from money. of course, to an extent you could be a financially distressed still distressed aristocrat and still have a higher social standing than than a well—off, you than a than a well—off, you know, nouveau riche or that's probably still true. >> nouveau riche are >> but the nouveau riche are doing pretty well for themselves i'iow. now. >> absolutely. you can insulate yourself from the worst of it. nick. yes >> yeah. i mean, is that i mean, that's not main thing i took that's not the main thing i took from is about, from this. this is about, um, richard tice sunak can, you know, sort of quell know, trying to sort of quell the of this, lee the fires of this, uh, lee anderson issue by talking about racism and saying, you know , racism and saying, you know, we're racist country and we're not a racist country and so on. and sadiq khan has just come and done a on come out and done a bit on channel 4. he's still he's saying there's no firm condemnation the condemnation of this from the prime minister. he's obsessed with this apology that with getting this apology that lee anderson says he give . lee anderson says he won't give. and sunak sort of in the

and sunak just sort of in the middle about racism. middle talking about racism. even that statement released even that statement he released in was in the second paragraph, he was already talking about racism, never used the word islam or islamic, even though mps have been he about been threatened. he talked about terror. about terror. he talked about extremism. they extremism. then he said they said, i'm proof that said, oh, i'm i'm proof that this country is not racist or i've. and all this kind of thing. it's weird of thing. it's this weird kind of i mean, people and the feeling is we a phrase actually on we coined a phrase actually on on twitter recently, me and a small in a dm chat, which small gang in a dm chat, which is, , squirrel, goat is, um, uh, squirrel, goat escape, squirrel . escape, squirrel. >> sorry. escape. squirrel. yes. as in scapegoat . >> sorry. escape. squirrel. yes. as in scapegoat. but it's like trying to find a distraction on, uh, on which to focus . and the uh, on which to focus. and the idea that, of course, lee anderson presents a greater threat to national security, peace and calm on the streets than what we've actually seen for the last. goodness knows how many saturdays. being many saturdays. and being projected onto the of the projected onto the side of the of parliament and of the houses of parliament and so a classic example of that. >> yeah, i'm not sure if also covering later the show covering it later in the show may well say it now. lee may as well say it now. lee anderson, thing about anderson, this thing about whether not, he whether you apologise or not, he put initial statement put out this initial statement on it's confusing me on x, which it's confusing to me where went. anderson mp

where it went. lee anderson mp said though it was on lee said even though it was on lee anderson's x account following a call whip, blah call with the chief whip, blah blah ended by blah blah, and it ended by saying fully they had saying i fully accept they had no option but suspend no option but to suspend the whip. continue to whip. however, i'll continue to support efforts support the government's efforts to call out extremism in all forms, anti—semitism forms, be that anti—semitism or islamophobia. forms, be that anti—semitism or islgive)hobia. forms, be that anti—semitism or islgive in>bia. forms, be that anti—semitism or islgive in toa. forms, be that anti—semitism or islgive in to this notion to give in to this notion of islamophobia. gb islamophobia. but tonight on gb news, just clearly he news, he's just clearly said he doesn't terms doesn't understand the terms islamophobia. blasphemy doesn't understand the terms islarandiobia. blasphemy doesn't understand the terms islarandiotshould blasphemy doesn't understand the terms islarandiotshould be lasphemy doesn't understand the terms islarandiotshould be separate! law, and it should be separate from , um, you know, separate from, um, you know, the separate race and religion, which is what khanis race and religion, which is what khan is trying to not absolutely. >> is ridiculous, obviously, to claim that any criticism of islam is racist. there are apart from anything else, something like 2 billion muslims around the world. now who are absolutely, literally of very distinct races. indonesia is muslim and they have no kinship. you know, i mean, i'm not saying you could sometimes you use these things. and of course, the trouble is with anti—semitism that that traditionally is a murky area insofar as the nazis were not interested whether you were not interested whether you were a practising jew , you was were a practising jew, you was whether you were racially jewish. yeah exactly. >> it's not same.

>> yeah. so it's not the same. and attempt conflate and this attempt to conflate them dangerous. can't them is very dangerous. can't keep doing christopher keep doing it. christopher hitchens years in this hitchens said years ago in this video i've on that video that i've shared on that sort viral he sort of gone viral again, he said, know, the introduces said, you know, the introduces word it's an accusation of word as if it's an accusation of race, hate or bigotry rather than , uh, merely the objection than, uh, merely the objection to the preachings of a very extreme and absolutist religion. that doesn't mean you have to agree with what he about agree with what he said about islam, do have to agree. islam, but you do have to agree. if faith actor, if you're a good faith actor, that not racism. that it is not racism. >> correct. i absolutely >> i correct. i absolutely agree. that's, um, that one tied up hopefully up neatly. hopefully we won't hear more nonsense . hear any more of that nonsense. tuesday's telegraph. yeah tuesday's telegraph. nick. yeah >> so telegraph have army >> so the telegraph have army wives force mod u—turn over housing. and the great news here is that we've had an instrumental part of this . we instrumental part of this. we covered this story the other night and like we made a night and i feel like we made a difference. mainly was difference. but mainly it was the so happened is the wives. so what happened is the, introduced the, um, the army introduced this idea you, this terrible idea that you, you will accommodation based on will get accommodation based on the your family rather the size of your family rather than this was than rank. and so this was always it was a more meritocratic thing. you got your rank, earned the rank, and rank, you earned the rank, and you slightly bigger you earned the slightly bigger house. all good. house. and this is all good. this british way. but

this is the british way. but they to get rid this they tried to get rid of this and everyone incredibly unpopular , so unpopular the unpopular, so unpopular that the wives we're not wives have said no, we're not doing it's actually doing it. and it's actually being the wives were forced >> and so the wives were forced through non—egalitarian. >> and so the wives were forced throug amazingi—egalitarian. >> and so the wives were forced throug amazing thing. itarian. >> and so the wives were forced throug amazing thing. could. >> and so the wives were forced throug amazing thing. could this that's amazing thing. could this be the dawn of a bright new era? >> because, well, because they want a bigger house. it's the one thing they like more than egalitarian is a big house. >> it interesting, >> i mean, it is interesting, isn't it? because 100 years ago that never you that would have never you wouldn't you would. that would have evidently. have been self evidently. nonsense. even years have been self evidently. nonsltlse. even years have been self evidently. nonsit is. even years have been self evidently. nonsit is kind even years have been self evidently. nonsit is kind of ven years have been self evidently. nonsit is kind of what years have been self evidently. nonsit is kind of what thezars ago. it is kind of what the welfare delivered welfare state is delivered though, right? in a way not within army. the that within the army. the idea that essentially larger essentially you get a larger house, on many house, depending on how many kids incentives. house, depending on how many kids yeah.1centives. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> which which you know, arguably. well yeah. if not a perverse incentive. it certainly, say a new and certainly, let's say a new and untested one. >> there must still be, even >> but there must still be, even though the story say they're going back to rank, it must also still the size of the still include the size of the family because no way family, because there is no way if you just look at rank, you could, in theory have a seven child family in a two bed house. yeah, something would be done to nofice yeah, something would be done to notice that mere colonels in

notice that not mere colonels in cavernous mansions. >> yeah , but you would hope >> yeah, but you would hope other than size, there would be other, quality of other, you know, quality of fixtures and fittings, i suppose, or availability of staff possibly a south facing staff or possibly a south facing garden, i don't know. >> sorts of ways you >> there's all sorts of ways you can it, aren't there can tweak it, aren't there to make appealing. make it more appealing. >> and also these army wives, they probably a good they probably want a good acoustics that singing they probably want a good acou do.; that singing they probably want a good acoyes, ; that singing they probably want a good acoyes, that's that singing they probably want a good acoyes, that's true. it singing they probably want a good acoyes, that's true. i singing they probably want a good acoyes, that's true. i seem|g they probably want a good acoyes, that's true. i seem to >> yes, that's true. i seem to remember and blair swapped remember brown and blair swapped houses, they houses, didn't they, when they were on downing street? just on family uh, the family size. anyway uh, the guardian, steve labour is tackling misogyny now. yeah. >> misogyny in schools . labour >> misogyny in schools. labour plan to battle misogyny in schools. probably easier i schools. probably easier there i imagine. it says here imagine. well it says here though that they want to help schools train young male influencers to counter the negative impact of people such as andrew tate, the story, it makes it look as though they're going have a go at, young going to have a go at, uh, young boys being misogynist. the boys for being misogynist. the solution here is to stop being solution here is to stop being so mean to young boys. it's the opposite. stop creating a opposite. yeah stop creating a vacuum into which an andrew tate can you taught can fit in. if you are taught the all masculine the narrative that all masculine anti is toxicity , then why not anti is toxicity, then why not go with someone who says being

toxic is good? yeah. whereas if you actually get taught the message that you aren't inherently yeah then you inherently toxic. yeah then you don't have you could actually be a version man. a good version of a man. >> the other hand, nick will >> on the other hand, nick will say tate good say that andrew tate is good either doesn't and either way and doesn't and doesn't some kind of doesn't require some kind of dysfunctional schooling to create i even come in. create a, uh, i even come in. >> wasn't feeling that well. i >> i wasn't feeling that well. i should have stayed at home. you just do bit me. just do my bit for me. yeah, it's completely mean, it's completely absurd. i mean, the idea that labour, we all know labour is going to be a hellish level social hellish new level of social engineering, and they're focusing on absolute focusing on this absolute nonsense putting nonsense combat and putting in little influencers schools to little influencers in schools to combat complete combat misogyny. it's complete madness. glimpse of combat misogyny. it's complete mad depressing glimpse of combat misogyny. it's complete mad depressing labour'sipse of combat misogyny. it's complete mad depressing labour's going how depressing labour's going to be. don't we? be. but we do know, don't we? >> statistically speaking, it's been established maybe been established for maybe 50 years now there's been years now that there's been a huge in male role models huge decline in male role models in a male presence , adult male in a male presence, adult male presence in schools, especially infant schools. i mean, remember, even i went to a state jmi school, uh, from what, 71 to 76 or something, and, um, you know, there was one male teacher and about 12 female teachers of various ages, you know, and i don't remember thinking it was

weird. it seemed to me kind of normal, you know, that women were looking after small children, as as you children, but as you, as you reach the age of sort of 10 or 11, you started to think, wouldn't mind there wouldn't mind if there was a bloke know, not bloke here, you know, and not just doing is i thought, just be doing is i thought, i thought were gonna say is thought you were gonna say is that, know, white boys thought you were gonna say is that, least w, white boys thought you were gonna say is that, least likely white boys thought you were gonna say is that, least likely demographic thought you were gonna say is th.go least likely demographic thought you were gonna say is th.go luniversity. demographic to go to university. >> they be focusing on how >> they could be focusing on how to work with them and improve that, rather than saying, oh, you're misogynist because you've watched a tape or at least get them sandhurst, is them into sandhurst, which is going a urgent, uh, going to be a more urgent, uh, priority, finally ending with the daily star. >> uh, let's understand >> let's, uh, let's understand this on, least. >> yeah. sing for your supper. i'm not going to promise you complete understanding, but it's boffin star boffin again. you know, the star likes boffin reveals likes a boffin. boffin reveals we serenade food . so we should serenade our food. so a guru at a celebrity health guru at unnamed , at least on front unnamed, at least on the front page, says need to sing to page, says we need to sing to our food to improve wellbeing. and we should eat pudding before dinner. this schaffer ? dinner. was this lewis schaffer? this sounds mad. just like mad dietary stuff. >> terrible putting >> terrible idea. putting pudding and pudding before dinner and singing to it. i mean, that will give you blood sugar give you a blood sugar spike. you line your stomach, you need to line your stomach, rid any annoying social

contacts. >> if you're going around eating your pudding first singing your pudding first and singing to the song can't go to it, there's the song can't go back slavery now, if you back to slavery now, so if you if you john shuttleworth . if you open john shuttleworth. >> yeah, you open with >> yeah, if you open with pudding, it. you're done. pudding, that's it. you're done. >> yeah, absolutely >> yeah, it's absolutely true. and way, both and by the way, you're both saying pudding though. that's good. you speak good. that's mitford. you speak thatis good. that's mitford. you speak that is dessert is nouveau. we're that's the we're back to class. that's the front page dealt with in the front page is dealt with in the second part. we dig a little deeper. second part. we dig a little deeper . is second part. we dig a little deeper. is paul scully islamophobic? is the english channel. see in a couple channel. we'll see in a couple of moments. thank you

the voice of common sense as even the voice of common sense as ever. thank you very much for joining us on the show. it's. and welcome back to headliners with me, simon evans , still with with me, simon evans, still with comedian stephen allen and nick dixon taking a look at tomorrow's newspapers. >> so steve gb news continued to set the agenda and lead the conversation. and the guardian are once again reduced to reporting on its aftermath. >> yeah, early anderson , you >> yeah, early anderson, you might have seen him in the canteen. attack on canteen. um stands by attack on sadiq khan and launches fresh

broadside . is the way they broadside. is the way they phrased it. so not getting that whip back, he definitely whip back, um, he definitely says some true things here that when you're right, you when you think you're right, you should apologise. would should never apologise. it would be weakness. also be a sign of weakness. he also said if you think you're wrong, you apologise. you spoke you should apologise. you spoke of frustration about what's of his frustration about what's happening decision have. definitely his decision to have. but that says he but the fact that he says he thinks his wording was clumsy. you could a little you could whip up a little apology for being less apology for not being less clumsy. small amount of clumsy. it is small amount of humble pie like 30 peas worth. yeah. then think yeah. um, and then so i think he made error by, by made he made an error by, by focusing the story in the wrong area. even suella managed to phrase things better, saying the islamists and extremists and anti—semites are now in charge . anti—semites are now in charge. such vague target. such a vague target. >> let me just say this. the >> but let me just say this. the scape squirrel would have been found and the hunt for the scape squirrel was of such a magnitude and intensity that escaped squirrel would have been identified and brought to bay, and that would have happened . and that would have happened. and it turned out that lee anderson made it a fairly easy capture. but actually, i think what the aftermath, what he's done in the aftermath, and agree, nick, is

and i think you agree, nick, is he's handled it quite he's actually handled it quite skilfully . i people skilfully. i think people do actually underestimate him a little bit because he presents as a fairly sort of, you know , as a fairly sort of, you know, uh, i don't know, like a fairly straight speaking, not particularly sophisticated . but particularly sophisticated. but actually what he's done is he's held the focus and then shifted the messaging slightly. so rather than just going, i'm sorry, i shouldn't have said that. and i terribly apologise and i'm going to scuttle off to my, you know, uh, rural abode now nurse wounds. he's now and nurse my wounds. he's actually of he's modifying actually sort of he's modifying his message within the space that's been created. yeah. >> as i said before, all i didn't like was that initial strange ex where he seemed strange ex post where he seemed to, , accede to the that to, uh, accede to the idea that islamophobia and anti—semitism are the same thing. but since then, very clear. then, he's been very clear. he hasn't has hasn't done that, and he has been clear. he said, no, no, been clear. and he said, no, no, i'm not apologising while i've got breath in my body. he even said said, said tonight. and he said, when's condemn the when's khan going to condemn the extremist mps ? extremist threats against mps? when's condemn the when's khan going to condemn the projection river to the projection from the river to the sea on ben or whatever it sea on big ben or whatever it was, or parliament, whatever it

was? and khan hasn't condemned those. to point those. and that's right to point out. to stop out. so you've got to stop playing and playing their game and you can't. not like me can't. it's not like me apologising to you, simon, if i've annoyed you backstage or something. can't apologise to politics. you can't apologise to people because people like sadiq khan because they're actors, they're not good faith actors, and there any impartial and nor is there any impartial third party looking on adjudicating the whole thing going, oh, he was right to apologise. it's war. it's apologise. it's just war. it's a culture war. >> i absolutely agree with you. if had apologised to khan, if he had apologised to khan, would in case would have gone. in which case you out of the you should be thrown out of the party. he, you know, and party. or was he, you know, and he still. is he the thing? he still. is he the whole thing? yeah. where's yeah. he's saying where's the condemnation gone then? >> want to squirrel part >> you want to squirrel part two. the that we never two. the point is that we never should had this particular should have had this particular squirrel in the first place. it is to say, whereas is so true to say, whereas khan's condemnation of these things, that things, you don't make that happen making him to happen by making him out to be some of manchurian some sort of manchurian candidate. true. however it >> no, that's true. however it is reasonable to say these marches after marches have happened week after week. become more and week. they have become more and more, uh , dominant know, more, uh, dominant or, you know, they've they've in they've they've gained in confidence. seen, uh, confidence. we've seen, uh, a very controversial slogan being projected onto the side of the houses of parliament. we've seen

tower bridge captured and so on, and there's essentially what you're seeing is the manifestation of something . so manifestation of something. so what exactly is it? yeah you know, and that's a reasonable way of bringing that to the conversation . conversation. >> right. and one last point here, it shows the distinction between and the tories, between anderson and the tories, which is why there is already rumours about him joining reform, because the tories have proved able meet proved they're not able to meet this they just want they this task. they just want they are just the same as labour. they want to be, wear and play along sadiq because along with sadiq khan because they're people. along with sadiq khan because they're afraid people. along with sadiq khan because they're afraid you're)ple. along with sadiq khan because they're afraid you're right. >> i'm afraid you're right. continuing is britain continuing with the is britain plunging into a medieval arabian nights theme, nick and the nights tale theme, nick and the question of no zones in the question of no go zones in the telegraph. yeah, well, very much on same theme of the scape on the same theme of the scape scape squirrel of obe calling it so it's tory mp claims birmingham and london have no go areas amid islamic phobia row. >> and paul scully, who >> and this is paul scully, who ran conservative london ran to be conservative london mayoral on mayoral candidate. this was on bbc london. and he said if you look parts of tower hamlets look at parts of tower hamlets there areas. parts of there are no go areas. parts of birmingham, sparkhill where there go mainly

there are no go areas, mainly because doctrine, of because of doctrine, because of people using, abusing in many ways meaning ways their religion meaning islam. saying they're islam. so he's saying they're abusing they're creating abusing it, but they're creating these no goes as whether they are know, are or not, i don't know, i haven't there and why would haven't been there and why would i go to birmingham? not i go to birmingham? so it's not going zone. >> go zone. »- >> go zone. >> of course i wouldn't. >> it's of course i wouldn't. yeah exactly. >> i didn't go to a no go zone. >> at least a good >> it was like at least a good point. so and of course jess point. um so and of course jess phillips the usual phillips and all the usual leftists to say, oh, leftists are going to say, oh, this awful and appalling. and this is awful and appalling. and it's diversion. it's another diversion. again it's another diversion. again it's clumsy it's very similar. it's clumsy language. it's not ideal. it takes off the real takes the focus off the real threat real problem. and threat and the real problem. and it's very similar in that it feels i don't feels like it's i don't know where from. where it came from. >> odd phrase, isn't it? >> it's an odd phrase, isn't it? it's got a sort of 70s tabloid ring to something. i don't ring to it or something. i don't i means the police i assume it means the police have and accepted have given up and have accepted that is a sort of like that there is a sort of like shana that there is a sort of like sharia law there. i heard it like but don't know if like that, but i don't know if that's means. i've heard that's what it means. i've heard it of parts of paris. yeah. it said of parts of paris. yeah. which police just go which the police just don't go to because they're police cars. get fire. get set on fire. >> you're it's bad >> but you're right, it's a bad phrase could phrase because we could be having conversation about having a conversation about integration, conversation . when having this conversation. when you read the way that it was

phrased, comes across more as phrased, it comes across more as a no go zone, place he a not a no go zone, a place he doesn't want don't doesn't want to go or don't want to which is to go to zone, which is a different vibe. >> yeah. and all we're >> yeah. and it's all we're losing sight of what nature losing sight of what the nature of the protest is that are that are every saturday. are happening every saturday. >> and we've just seen that. did you see death threat against you see the death threat against the who the reform candidate who was called devil a in called a white devil by a guy in a video? you see that? that's a video? do you see that? that's just come out today. but again, we're this the we're talking about this and the left pearl clutching left get to do pearl clutching and so terrible. and say, so. so terrible. >> yeah. well uh, steve, >> yeah. okay. well uh, steve, no the supply no problem with the supply side of islamo jewish tensions of the islamo jewish tensions equation. according sun , equation. according to the sun, i suppose. >> small boat crossings >> yet small boat crossings surge past the 2000 mark this year as rishi sunak faces pressure on illegal migration. it's a good job he didn't make this one of his five priorities or pledges or something like that, and mentioned in every single. one of his main single. yeah, one of his main refs on every single interview, who brings it up a total of 209 people crossed channel in people crossed the channel in five dinghies on sunday amid warmer weather. this could be the some people the thing that gets some people to upset about climate to really be upset about climate change, because warm weather this you know,

this time of year, you know, numbers to an issue numbers are going to be an issue for them. the article then goes on to talk the rwanda for them. the article then goes on to one the rwanda for them. the article then goes on to one that the rwanda for them. the article then goes on to one that i the rwanda for them. the article then goes on to one that i think1wanda for them. the article then goes on to one that i think i'anda for them. the article then goes on to one that i think i always plan, one that i think i always like bring this up in like to bring this up in its current be you current state. it would be you can asylum seekers, which can send asylum seekers, which also seems like it should be the name like like to name of a band like i'd like to teach world swim . um, the teach the world to swim. um, the you send people rwanda you can send people to rwanda and would get sent and the ones who would get sent back be they committed back would be if they committed a what great filtration a crime. what a great filtration system to make sure only get system to make sure we only get criminal asylum seekers. >> more >> yeah, it couldn't be more dysfunctional, could it's dysfunctional, could it? it's never happen now . i never going to happen now. i mean, tried to think the best mean, i tried to think the best of them, but even as a hideous deterrent, i think is obviously failed, isn't it? >> i'm thinking absolute failed, isn't it? >> i'mi'mnking absolute failed, isn't it? >> i'mi'm nowl absolute failed, isn't it? >> i'mi'm now thinking olute failed, isn't it? >> i'mi'm now thinking that, worst. i'm now thinking that, um, the purpose of um, that quote, the purpose of a system it does. stafford system is what it does. stafford been system is what it does. stafford beer, you know, i'm thinking they now just want the small boats to come over. we saw in france how quickly you can deport someone if you want to. you was you know, i know that was a certain set of laws, reasons that law went through the that law went through with the tunisian. deported tunisian. a man they deported him tunisian. a man they deported hinand france is still of >> and france is still part of the yeah, right. the eu. yeah, right. >> why it so? is it so >> why is it so? why is it so hard to anything? i just

hard to do anything? i just think they want to go back to wednesday problematic wednesday night's problematic reordering in the reordering of protocol in the house reordering of protocol in the hotnick, new evidence has >> nick, a new evidence has emerging front as well. emerging on that front as well. >> a shocker. this in >> this is a shocker. this is in the refuses the independent speaker refuses to a second gaza as to grant a second gaza debate as snp into snp demands investigation into labour the snp demands investigation into lab0lbulk the snp demands investigation into lab0l bulk of the the snp demands investigation into lab0l bulk of the piece the snp demands investigation into lab0lbulk of the piece is; main bulk of the piece is actually about chris bryant, who had extraordinary interview had this extraordinary interview with cathy newman. i mean, there's been extraordinary interviews newman there's been extraordinary interviiand newman there's been extraordinary interviiand this newman there's been extraordinary interviiand this was newman there's been extraordinary interviiand this was anotheran there's been extraordinary interviiand this was another and, before and this was another and, um, and he said, i think the whole day was grubby and we need a system that doesn't allow people to manipulate the rules to be able to get what they want. she goes, which you want. and she goes, which you did. laughed and went, did. and he laughed and went, yeah, you you yeah, because you need you need rules like me rules to stop people like me doing is what he's doing bad things is what he's saying, an saying, which is an extraordinary to say. he's extraordinary thing to say. he's saying that all the saying that they used all the tricks, know, they tricks, you know, they filibuster to whatever the labour he's admitting labour side. so he's admitting they saying they did it. he's saying you need in laws stop need to bring in laws to stop people like me doing bad things, which i just find so extraordinary. so. and as, extraordinary. so. and hoyle as, um, he won't a um, said, he won't allow a requested emergency on requested emergency debate on gaza government will gaza because the government will bnng gaza because the government will bring relevant bring forward a relevant statement tomorrow. but the whole hoyle whole thing is, is ugly. hoyle needs labour have been

needs to go. so labour have been terrible this. and yeah, it's terrible on this. and yeah, it's i was interesting, i think it was interesting, wasn't it? >> the, uh, the parliamentary procedure on procedure episode i wasn't on that to that night, but, um, to be absolutely you, absolutely honest with you, i still a little to still struggle a little bit to understand the nature of the of the that was broken and the protocol that was broken and so on, because it was so extraordinary. right. it was an opposition day. then opposition day. and then the government the first government get to make the first amendment, then, mean, amendment, but then, i mean, it's it's government do an it's a it's a government do an amendment. >> you're not allowed to have your so your amendment. yeah, yeah. so that i know it is quite. >> but we have it has been explained times now that explained enough times now that it was. was, uh, it definitely was. it was, uh, distorted order to protect distorted in order to protect mps legitimate and mps from from legitimate and plausible of violence. plausible threat of violence. >> but if we if we were in general having a conversation and i said to you, you know, yesterday stick to yesterday they didn't stick to all rules in the of all of the rules in the house of commons, you'd be like, why you get wetherspoons? commons, you'd be like, why you get yeah. wetherspoons? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> but this particular thing is about setting a trap. and yes, some parties annoyed some parties were annoyed that the not actually the trap was not actually triggered that could the trap was not actually triggebeen. that could the trap was not actually triggebeen. so, that could the trap was not actually triggebeen. so, you hat could the trap was not actually triggebeen. so, you know, could the trap was not actually triggebeen. so, you know, ifuld the trap was not actually triggebeen. so, you know, if they have been. so, you know, if they actually would have voted it, actually would have voted on it, labour's would labour's amendment would have been so would been voted down. so they would have the snp one have got to vote on the snp one and could gone

and everyone could have gone home apart the trap home happy apart from the trap wasn't activated, i think. >> there an element wasn't activated, i think. >>truth there an element wasn't activated, i think. >>truth to there an element wasn't activated, i think. >>truth to that. an element of truth to that. >> isn't it about labour pressuring the speaker? and isn't it about the violent threat and about that the it's about all of that. >> yeah, definitely. about all of that. >> it's h, definitely. about all of that. >> it's about nitely. about all of that. >> it's about you're right, it's chris his ilk and chris bryant and his ilk and their utter cynicism, or at least problem as least as much of a problem as the threats. the actual islamist threats. >> of this was about >> this none of this was about trying to stop war in the trying to stop a war in the middle this was about middle east. this was about people playing. >> that's not even the table. people playing. >> this's not even the table. people playing. >> this's abouten the table. people playing. >> this's abouten tiplaying >> this is about people playing politics, they're politics, isn't it? and they're all upset that they didn't get to play politics. >> almost. imagine the children of standing of gaza just standing there watching tvs. watching on their tvs. >> i was writing recently saying, netanyahu is going saying, as if netanyahu is going to what? to be saying labour, think what? what? known what? the party that's known for anti—semitism. i'll have a listen to them. >> male. now, steve, very quickly, from house quickly, from the house of commons buildings of commons to buildings full of rude, undisciplined ruffians and a exasperate a handful of exasperate authority figures living in fear of their lives. yep. see what i've done there? >> yeah. um. scared teachers are now locking the classrooms to keep pupils in there. keep violent pupils in there. imagine or outs either way. well, i'd keep them in. they've done this wrong. they don't understand the prison system in

the old days, the parents and the old days, the parents and the were both on the the teachers were both on the same side. and you would a same side. and you would fear a parents because the two parents evening because the two forces to meet. but now it forces got to meet. but now it seems the parents back the children, and that doesn't work, becausevillage raise takes a village to raise a child, the village to team child, the village has to team up against the child. yeah. and that's only way make this that's the only way to make this work. think there's no work. and i do think there's no threat. there's threat. the threat is there's been the number been an increase in the number of expulsions ins. you don't of expulsions ins. oh, you don't have to school anymore. have to go to school anymore. it's that much threat it's not that much of a threat that you think it is. >> and i think it's become a weaker threat because the weaker threat because of the pandemic. broken . pandemic. i think that's broken. the it's broken the, uh, almost sacred principle that a child should be at school. >> they say it clearly here. they say school was seen as a fundamental element of good parenting. now it's seen as one of several often competing options. is, options. the only difference is, they pandemic. say they say pandemic. and i say lockdown. yeah, lockdown lockdown. yeah, the lockdown showed matter. lockdown. yeah, the lockdown shovit's matter. lockdown. yeah, the lockdown shovit's very matter. lockdown. yeah, the lockdown shovit's very the matter. lockdown. yeah, the lockdown shovit's very the elites matter. lockdown. yeah, the lockdown shovit's very the elites don'tr. and it's very the elites don't care about school schools. and now for them to now it's very hard for them to pretend does. again do pretend it does. again do you want me of we've all want to reminds me of we've all been stand comedians. been stand up comedians. >> it when go on >> i hate it when you go on stage comedy club a

stage at a comedy club and a previous has allowed members previous act has allowed members of stand on the of the public to stand on the stage. yeah, get them. never do that. never, ever that. it's that. never, ever do that. it's sacred. we're the sacred. right. we're at the halfway up, halfway point. coming up, charities culture charities provoking culture war is church provoking is charlotte church provoking actual wars . and are either of actual wars. and are either of them as outrageously offensive as the celtic manager? find out

news radio. >> uh, where are we? i think i may have jumped ahead a couple of stories. okay. welcome back to headliners i'm sorry about that. i had the wrong story up. nick. we are going to do culture war. first of all, it's an irregular noun, isn't it? >> so this charities >> yeah. so this is charities warned fighting warned over fighting public battles around culture wars. and it comes from orlando fraser kc , it comes from orlando fraser kc, chairman of the charities commission . and he's saying that commission. and he's saying that we live in a more and more atomised society, with fewer universally and universally shared values and norms decades, and norms than in past decades, and certainly in certainly less trust in institutions . can't argue with institutions. can't argue with any of that. i say that every

night so his point is night on here. so his point is he's saying. but when charities find the biting find themselves at the biting edge been come to edge of what have been come to known culture wars, then known as the culture wars, then there problems. and he's there are problems. and he's absolutely this might absolutely right. and this might be an example of what a brilliant youtube channel called academic calls. putting academic agent calls. putting the woke we sort the woke away are. we now sort of saying, tone of slightly saying, let's tone down more egregious down some of the more egregious examples of wokeness . this is examples of wokeness. this is what from this. he's what i'm taking from this. he's saying what i'm taking from this. he's say staying being too off staying out of being too woke and just do charity stuff , woke and just do charity stuff, which this is the chap that you've interviewing , is you've been interviewing, is that right? >> coming next monday. >> it's coming out next monday. >> it's coming out next monday. >> it's coming out next monday. >> i want to plug it. >> it's coming out next monday. >> i thinkto plug it. >> it's coming out next monday. >> i think it plug it. >> it's coming out next monday. >> i think it is ug it. >> it's coming out next monday. >> i think it is interesting. i mean, the first mean, i remember the first little, bat squeak of little, um, bat squeak of trouble oxfam you trouble when oxfam started. you know, to, they felt like know, to, uh, they felt like they switched from raising money to campaigning against capitalism and in favour of natural disasters. >> yeah, it was it wasn't exactly culture war in that case. >> it was more like old fashioned socialism. it was more like just too many. too few people have too much of the money. but you can obviously money. but but you can obviously imagine there's a certain imagine that there's a certain kind of individual gets kind of individual who gets attracted to the, what do they

call it, the non—profit sector or whatever. and if you start to alienate the people who give the money, that's, um , that's money, that's, um, that's problematic, right? >> yeah. i mean, not only charities should stay in their lane.i charities should stay in their lane. i don't even mean that in a can we just a patronising way. can we just separate world separate out the world i products general? i'd love to products in general? i'd love to eat an ice cream without having to care whether my ice cream is pro—palestine. >> did you know that haagen—dazs , hidden agenda ? is it , uh, has a hidden agenda? is it as a as a is a include nuts. it's a cryptic clue. crossword clue. it's got the word agenda in the middle of it. clue. it's got the word agenda in the middle of it . are in the middle of it. are haagen—dazs great, great. it's quite clever, isn't it? >> crossword . >> crossword. >> crossword. >> that's a pure radio four turn. >> yeah, but it's guilt by omission. it's the, um. why aren't you signalling that virtue? are you in favour of the bad side ? yeah, and that's why bad side? yeah, and that's why everyone feels like they have to. >> yeah. that's why taylor swift, was the fence. she swift, she was on the fence. she eventually came out as eventually just came out as a lefty. but for ages, she. she maintained like, maintained the signs like, is she trump with silence? >> yeah. i always thought in

1994 or 5 or something, i got a job early on as a journalist on the big issue and the big issue, of course, was, you know, launched to help homeless people raise a bit of money with honest graft flogging a magazine. graft by flogging a magazine. but, couldn't but, um, you couldn't help noticing you know, the noticing the, you know, the editorial of that magazine was pretty hard left as well. and i did think actually, if you just if the idea is you're providing did think actually, if you just if magazine s you're providing did think actually, if you just if magazine thatr're providing did think actually, if you just if magazine that londoners 1g a magazine that londoners generally making generally want to read, making it quite divisive politically is probably a little bit, i don't know, it feels like i've given you me £1.30. can i not just read interesting stuff read some interesting stuff about london life generally . about london life generally. doesit about london life generally. does it all have to be? >> i thought you were going to say if you want to sell to the london market, you want to aim for who are annoyed by for people who are annoyed by homeless a homeless people. it's a difficult for them all difficult position for them all about how great the eu is. >> to be a happy >> it's going to be a happy medium anyway. daily mail now steve church steve charlotte church claims she's but it she's not anti—semitic, but it has to with that has to be said with that surname. it presumably runs in has to be said with that surrfamilyt presumably runs in has to be said with that surrfamily charlotteibly runs in has to be said with that surrfamily charlotte synagogue the family charlotte synagogue is will known is now actually will be known henceforth and cleared up henceforth, and she's cleared up this totally . this issue totally. >> yeah. she's insist that in no

way anti—semitic. so way she anti—semitic. so she took part a performance to took part in a performance to raise think the way took part in a performance to rais

to maybe a modern spiritual. you don't necessarily. it doesn't. it's not like throw the jew down the well, is it? you know what mean? >> well, let me answer this. firstly, by the way, you mentioned a surname. some people are it charlotte mosque are calling it charlotte mosque online, a bit online, which is a bit i condemn. absolutely. but on this song, least song, yeah, it's a very least anti—israel. where do you believe the believe it's calling for the eradication or it's eradication of israel? or it's the not very the very least, not very pro—israel? agree pro—israel? we could agree on that. lot celebrities that. but a lot of celebrities are time where you are thinking of a time where you can easily be side. can just easily be on one side. you just take the most left wing side and you win. but on this issue, you get an easy issue, you don't get an easy win. to win. but what's fascinating to me she's me is she says this she's charlotte church says, i'm fighting for liberation of fighting for the liberation of all people. i have a deep all people. and i have a deep heart all heart for all religions and all difference. all difference. the phrase all difference. the phrase all difference is borderline meaningless. who? meaningless. difference to who? and it was and then she goes on it was a beautiful, event, but beautiful, beautiful event, but unfortunately, that beautiful, beautiful event, but unfcan't ately, that that beautiful, beautiful event, but unfcan't ately,that can't that beautiful, beautiful event, but unfcan't ately,that can't havet be can't have that can't have such a symbol such a powerful symbol of resistance. and again, one asks against what she is against whom and what she is trying is this kind of trying to do. is this kind of very interesting liberal 60s paradigm. we're still stuck in. she be part of some she wants to be part of some resistance something, she wants to be part of some resi�*something something, she wants to be part of some resi�*something very omething, she wants to be part of some resi�*something very vague ng, she wants to be part of some resi�*something very vague and but something very vague and safe, so that she's always in the right. but that's just not

an option anymore. and especially issue. especially on this issue. >> why can't we all get >> why can't we all just get along? also a welsh along? she's also been a welsh independence campaigner, so there when she sings there is a chance when she sings from river to sea, we're from the river to the sea, we're talking seven and irish. >> it reminds me when they say where the resistance, in where the resistance, like in america, where the resistance, like in ameicnn and all the with cnn and all the corporations imagining they're resisting something. so she wants resist wants to vaguely resist something. but that's completely safe something. but that's completely saf> yeah. gravity staying with women's , nick and the women's issues now, nick and the times have a story of sexist language used the celtic

language used by the celtic manager that i hesitate to repeat even this late after the watershed. good girl . i think he watershed. good girl. i think he called her a girl. is that right? yeah. >> shocking language . rodgers >> shocking language. rodgers condemned by women's groups after . good after calling reporter. good girl. rodgers was girl. so brendan rodgers was annoyed after a game he was doing a thing football doing a thing that football managers lot. they managers do quite a lot. they sort an imaginary sort of create an imaginary enemy, the story enemy, he said. the story has already written this already been written about this group, like, you know, everyone's they've everyone's against us. they've written against it, but written a story against it, but we'll own story and we'll write our own story and she to. she said, do she wanted to. she said, what do you mean? because was being you mean? because he was being all sort of self—pitying all a bit sort of self—pitying and bitter, just was and bitter, and he just was like, done. good girl. like, okay, done. good girl. well was dismissive. well done. so he was dismissive. now really think it was now i don't really think it was necessarily sexist. just think now i don't really think it was ne when he was in court over the many ways that you just john terry, the first thing that

comes head is whatever comes to your head is whatever it you most it is that you think is most likely to wound, but he's just trying patronise. trying to patronise. >> trying be rude. trying to patronise. >> yeah.'ing be rude. trying to patronise. >> yeah. and be rude. trying to patronise. >> yeah. and so3e rude. trying to patronise. >> yeah. and so yeah,e. trying to patronise. >> yeah. and so yeah, you yeah, yeah. and so yeah, you don't add anything to that. >> you know, i hate that i agree so much. >> right. w“ so much. >> right. was someone >> you're right. it was someone being he just happened being rude and he just happened to land that gender. so i know what's the right what's happening with the right what's happening with the right what's pill. what's happening with the right whtl 's pill. what's happening with the right whtl wouldn't.l. what's happening with the right whtl wouldn't know what joey >> i wouldn't know what joey barton says. graph. now, barton says. terry graph. now, steve, understandably steve, they are understandably delighted to be reporting on the guardian, reports by one of their dismal reports by one of their dismal reports by one of their award winning reporters. >> yeah, there's a guardian writer boycotting the newspaper for failing to tell readers that the cat killer murderer was transgender. the cat killer murderer was transgender . yeah, it's louise transgender. yeah, it's louise tickle who makes a really good point. this doesn't even have to be getting riled up about trans issues, right? the story properly with the information newspapers are annoying for adding extra facts about people by the second paragraph. you know their age. by the 10th paragraph might have the paragraph you might have the word in word leggy. if you're in a tabloid some point, this tabloid at some point, this should uh and it was should crop up. uh and it was scarlett blake described as the cat killer. that's the other cat killer. now that's the other thing i would say. killed

someone known as the cat someone and known as the cat killer. i think there's of the two murders to focus on with the name. >> i was confused because i remember bin lady. do you remember bin lady. do you remember cat lady? was remember cat bin lady? this was about early days of about 2010, early days of twitter, was cctv twitter, and there was cctv footage of a middle aged woman, an actual woman, um, who just walks past a cat i think was maybe sitting on a wall, and she picked it up and chucked it in a wheelie bin in class and like, the country was absolutely appalled. and it on for appalled. and it went on for weeks. but, um, this she weeks. but but, um, this she didn't go on to kill someone. no, did not just kill no, this woman did not just kill a cat. she live streamed and disembowelling it like putting it in a liquidiser or something. i mean, it was it was proper textbook. this woman is a psychopath. and you're saying woman. >> the point here is the argument is it's a man because he's a man. yeah. i mean, and so louise, congratulations for doing this. sincerely though. why boycotting the why weren't you boycotting the guardian already? i mean, she says the newspaper is says here that the newspaper is actively says here that the newspaper is activelthat's practically mean, that's practically the slogan guardian. yeah. so slogan of the guardian. yeah. so i even dominic i mean, and even dominic cummings i say even, cummings has posted, i say even, um, the old media organisations

are constantly, deliberately lie to they're are constantly, deliberately lie to biggest they're are constantly, deliberately lie to biggest sources they're the biggest sources of misinformation. misinformation, the biggest sources of misinf still tion. misinformation, the biggest sources of misinf still trust misinformation, the biggest sources of misinf still trust misinfon 1ation, if you still trust them on anything political, you're a dope. but reality dope. i mean, but the reality is, the trans men are is, if the slogan trans men are men or trans women are women, if they are , or if that the they are, or if that the implication of that is that there is literally no these are their rules, right? >> yeah, yeah, yeah. we it goes yeah. >> it's going to skew the data. this is why we're seeing there will end up being more, uh, murderers are women and murderers who are women and a massive in prostate massive increase in prostate cancen massive increase in prostate cancer. that's true cancer. there will that's true film news. >> nick, having already >> now nick, having already poisoned of untold poisoned the minds of untold millions, andrews can no millions, julie andrews can no longer her filth at our longer throw her filth at our poppins kids. >> shocking stuff. mary >> yes, shocking stuff. mary poppins uk age rating raised to pg to discriminatory pg due to discriminatory language, the khoikhoi language, which was the khoikhoi who were referred to as hottentot, which is now banned and not allowed. so it's gone up from u to a pg, that from a u to a pg, proven that history this linear cycle history is not this linear cycle of . it's a a of progressivism. it's a it's a sort of it's a back and forward. of progressivism. it's a it's a sort we're�* a back and forward. of progressivism. it's a it's a sort we're going k and forward. of progressivism. it's a it's a sort we're going intod forward. of progressivism. it's a it's a sort we're going into the rward. of progressivism. it's a it's a sort we're going into the dark. and we're going into the dark ages i'd say dark ages ages again of, i'd say dark ages . not sure. yeah. we want to get up . not sure. yeah. we want to get up is uh, is hot and tough. >> is it, uh, is hot and tough. not that's like slang then is

it? it's used by settlers. it? it's used by dutch settlers. >> okay . evil dutch settlers. >> okay. evil dutch settlers. and imitating the and it was imitating the language in the sound of the language in the sound of the language . hence it was offensive. >> oh, okay. like going hong offensive. >> oihongl. like going hong offensive. >> oihong kong, going hong offensive. >> oihong kong, hong hong offensive. >> oihong kong, hong ho the kong, hong kong, hong for the french wouldn't do that on national tv. french wouldn't do that on nat and. tv. french wouldn't do that on nat and then french wouldn't do that on natand then so read this story >> and then so i read this story and about three hours and it took me about three hours to i know to realise where else i know that from. and it's that word from. and it's shakespears i don't shakespears sisters, i don't care. i thought you were care. oh i thought you were gonna shakespeare. gonna say shakespeare. >> no, i know, >> i was gonna no, no, i know, but more likely i work in local radio. i care if there's hotte ntot. >> hottentot. >> there's a bit there's >> there's a bit where there's kind in the middle of kind of speak in the middle of the say, hottentot lot. >> amazing. if they got cancelled. yeah. >> this happened . >> let's make this happened. >> let's make this happened. >> at get parental >> or at least get a parental advisory the advisory sticker. yeah. on the tv . tv. >> what happens when you play shakespears backwards ? shakespears sister backwards? just the section to come just the final section to come now. and this is where it gets intense. psychopaths, intense. female psychopaths, more extinct men. and more of them extinct men. and worst of all, the death of the high gsm business card. we'll see you in a couple of

>> welcome back to headliners. >> welcome back to headliners. >> so the guardian now steve, they are claiming that women can be psychopaths too though given their definition of women earlier , that must be viewed earlier, that must be viewed with caution . with caution. >> uh, yeah. more women may be psychopaths than previously thought, says someone who's never dated . how are you just never dated. how are you just learning this now ? doctor clive learning this now? doctor clive body says the assessment skews towards men. the test was developed by analysing psychopaths in prison, so male psychopaths in prison, so male psychopaths who'd gone to prison and were kind of the prisoner psychopaths. yeah. whereas that way we lost nuance. so it's not about being violent. it is. hang on. here's the definition. psychopaths are generally considered empathy and considered to lack empathy and guilt. , be guilt. live frequently, be ruthless and manipulative, and seek control. doesn't sound like any women i'm willing to talk about, but i might have to travel home to later and it reminds of when the deaf, the reminds me of when the deaf, the legal coercive legal definition of coercive control, in. yeah, and that control, came in. yeah, and that was where a victim has do was where a victim has to do what abuser fear what the abuser wants for fear of physical, financial or emotional . um, happy

emotional distress. um, happy wife, happy life is a phrase that people throw around , but that people throw around, but effectively so this effectively means this. so this stuff's been hiding out there. some estimate that 23% of men are psychopaths, could are psychopaths, and that could be for women. be the same for women. >> suppose the key thing >> i suppose the key thing in most minds , um, it's most people's minds, um, it's are you willing to embrace criminal activity in order to pursue your ends? whereas i think a lot of people would recognise that women are at least as capable of men as being kind of low key psychopaths, i.e. will dissemble , i.e. they will dissemble, deceive, use underhand tactics in order to get their way and feel utterly , um, you know , feel utterly, um, you know, indifferent to any pain and discomfort that they've caused as much as men not like that. that's what women are like. that's what women are like. that's just sound like every divorced man. but the question is, are men more capable of actually seeing that through to murder? and that's the point. at which a psychopath becomes of interest to people, rather than it kind you it just being a kind of, you know, one end of a spectrum. yeah. >> you mean like, disagreeable or something ? or something? >> yeah. as peterson they've

said here, female psychopaths are more prone to expressing violence verbally. >> the mean thing . >> it's the mean girls thing. yeah, we have told that. yeah, we could have told that. and subtly it more and more subtly, they do it more subtly. way down verbally. subtly. they way down verbally. maybe they could maybe they get people themselves people to kill themselves by wearing them down, like those eyes said to that eyes that were said to do that to vulnerable. >> that terrifying >> oh, there was that terrifying prospect, wasn't there , that prospect, wasn't there, that they certain eyes would they thought certain eyes would be you into killing be able to talk you into killing yourself? yeah yourself? exactly. yeah. yeah >> like women. >> i'm saying that's like women. yeah apparently their had yeah apparently their wives had that on national tv. >> but there it is. are they? >> but there it is. are they? >> yeah. i'm single. it's fine. no one cares. the other thing that i think is, uh, would be interesting into interesting to look into is whether, do it whether, how often women do it that not aware of, that they're not aware of, they're it because they're they're doing it because they're doing for a third party's doing it for a third party's benefit. doing it for a third party's ber usually their >> usually their children. i think a lot of single, childless women are not capable of psychopathy . but once their psychopathy. but once their child starts to get bullied at school or is overlooked by the games department or whatever, that's when it becomes competitive urge. yeah i don't think that would by proxy or whatever. >> and all three of us, i just want to say, are scientists. yeah, that wouldn't into the

yeah, that wouldn't fit into the definition yeah, that wouldn't fit into the d> but, um, no, i think these the lack of empathy is a trait rather than a behaviour. yeah, yeah. >> well, i rememberjohn ronson's book the psychopath test very interesting. and he essentially comes to the conclusion that it's very difficult to say for certain, whether it's the one thing that stuck on me was that one where they electrocute you, the electrocution test and a psychopath anticipate the psychopath won't anticipate the next little zap. >> completely >> he'll just be completely fine. whereas a normal person will, worry it. will, like, worry about it. yeah, kearse levels of yeah, yeah. leo kearse levels of metro news now nick and children of men scenario eases ahead of the handmaid's tale again. >> yeah it's the y chromosome is vanishing and what will happen to men. >> so because of soy and endocrine disruptors the y chromosome men are gradually being eradicated. and too much guardian reading. and basically uh the y chromosome has 55 genes compared to roughly 900 on the x. and so the problem is it's getting it's reducing. and they've estimated that over 166

million years, uh, that they've been evolving separately. there's been loss of about there's been a loss of about five genes per million years . at five genes per million years. at this rate, the last 55 genes will be gone in 11 million years. so more men in 11 years. so no more men in 11 million years. in theory, however, say, however, i have to say, following hero goldblum, following my hero jeff goldblum, that finds a way. so that life finds a way. so i think you're probably. >> parthenogenesis, >> but that's parthenogenesis, wasn't well then they wasn't it? well then they say found without us. >> mentioned >> you mentioned parthenogenesis. the metro throws anti—christian throws in an anti—christian statement say we know statement here. they say we know virgin births or parthenogenesis is never going to happen. so that's deliberate at. that's a deliberate dig at. >> well, means except >> well, never means except in miraculous. mean miraculous. no, they mean they're having but they they're having a dig, but they do point out it could happen because some give because of some got to give stephen scientist. stephen the scientist. >> parthenogenesis >> yeah, well, parthenogenesis doesn't humans, does >> yeah, well, parthenogenesis doturkeys. humans, does >> yeah, well, parthenogenesis doturkeys. that's humans, does >> yeah, well, parthenogenesis doturkeys. that's aiumans, does >> yeah, well, parthenogenesis doturkeys. that's a weird 5, does >> yeah, well, parthenogenesis doturkeys. that's a weird one.as in turkeys. that's a weird one. it reptiles. you'd accept in turkey. >> turkey, all the time. >> in turkey, all the time. >> in turkey, all the time. >> that's pretty. this article that makes some errors saying , that makes some errors saying, uh, start off by uh, that you start off by female, develop into male female, you develop into male and brackets. hence and it says in brackets. hence why nipples. no that's why men have nipples. no that's for the clamps. >> i remember that being a great chat at sort of teenage chat up line at sort of teenage parties, discussing why men have

nipples. it was a great way of introducing a slightly salacious topic . different times the topic. different times the bigger question then the bigger question is why mannequins question is why do mannequins have they definitely don't >> yeah, they definitely don't need why do they have need them. why do they have navels? huge >> that is where >> uh, maybe that is where they're from though i they're extruded from though i don't that's seam. >> yeah, that's the seam. there's million years there's only 11 million years left. how will we cope? but left. so how will we cope? but there bit in there that there is a bit in there that actually could all actually says it could all happen quickly, happen very quickly, though, couldn't determining couldn't it? the sex determining thing will elsewhere in the thing will be elsewhere in the chromosomal information that there that don't there are species that don't have but that have a y chromosome, but that you still have genders you can they still have genders like the mole vole jokes aside, what earlier is far what you said earlier is a far greater threat. >> endocrine disruption, collapsing sperme counts, testosterone and so on, or the desire to mate. i mean, that's going, isn't it? >> second kid. potent >> my second kid. so i'm potent tinder news now steve, on that subject and the daily star have further evidence that it's only, uh, sparking addiction rather than love affairs. >> yeah . >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so this this is a quote i had to get therapy for tinder addiction . i was swiping on 500 addiction. i was swiping on 500 women a day, which sounds worse than it is swiping on the

curtains afterwards . that's is curtains afterwards. that's is that not too much? is that too not much? can you say that on at midnight ? midnight? >> i must be able to get away with no, 5 am. somewhere. with that. no, 5 am. somewhere. >> i don't try on the blinds . >> i don't try on the blinds. >> i don't try on the blinds. >> um , the other things he could >> um, the other things he could have done to make his wrist sore, that would have been w0 i'se. woi'se. >> worse. >> i suppose. this 27 year old ed turner says he was obsessively on tinder, basically, he just cries about, oh couldn't out your room. >> @ name sounds room. >> name sounds like a >> grow name sounds like a mixture of tinder and someone who swipes things. mixture of tinder and someone wh(anyway, things. mixture of tinder and someone wh(anyway, 1brilliant >> anyway, it's brilliant though. the though. that is the end of the show, enough. show, appropriately enough. let's another look at let's take another quick look at tuesday's pages before we tuesday's front pages before we wrap proof wrap up the times. i'm proof that britain isn't racist, says sunak as somebody on twitter pointed out would be if he'd been elected or voted for telegraph. army wives force mod you turn over the housing and emma barnett joins the today programme. i discovered that's what that picture is. guardian experts warn over hunt over dubious case for unfunded tax cuts financial times sweden

clears last hurdle to join nato as putin's war shifts alliance borders i news hunt has six days to find tax cuts to save tory mps. and finally, the daily star sing for your supper and indeed to it. those were your front pages and that's all we have time thank you time for. thank you to my guests, allen nick guests, steven allen and nick dixon. back at 11 pm. dixon. i'll be back at 11 pm. tomorrow with steven allen and scott capurro. very scott capurro. thank you very much. night . scott capurro. thank you very much. night. that scott capurro. thank you very much. night . that warm much. good night. that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update with me. annie from the met office could be quite a cold and foggy start for some areas tomorrow morning. we'll also see some pushing to in the some rain pushing to in the north west. have got high north and west. we have got high pressure dominating for the rest of and through the of the day and through the night, we do also have this night, but we do also have this northeasterly breeze and cold air, will be a cold air, so it will be a cold evening cold night. evening and a cold night. in fact particularly we're fact, particularly where we're exposed winds exposed to a stronger winds across the far southeast . but across the far southeast. but

many will see a frost many areas will see a frost developing in inland rural areas. also, there's a risk of some mist and fog, particularly across central and southeastern areas where we have had quite a lot of rain recently. it will be a very cold tomorrow , a very cold start tomorrow, where be down to minus where we could be down to minus three or four, but the far northwest frost will be more limited as some wet weather is arriving course of arriving through the course of the will bring the night. that will bring a damp start to the day, particularly northern particularly for northern scotland, but that wet weather will parts of southern will push into parts of southern scotland as north wales, scotland as well as north wales, northern england. two will see some of rain through some of that rain through tuesday further south tuesday afternoon. further south and east it should stay largely dry, it will be a bit of dry, but it will be a bit of a cloudier day compared to today. the will sink the the rain will sink into the southeast over course of southeast over the course of tuesday it clears tuesday night to once it clears though, we'll see another clear night and clear to night and clear start to wednesday. potentially some further fog. but then further mist and fog. but then the batch arrives the next batch of rain arrives from west. this time. so from the west. this time. so pushing into many western areas of the morning of the uk through the morning and then further later on and then further east later on in the day. but that will pick the a little the temperatures up a little bit, temperatures rise bit, so temperatures will rise through wednesday and thursday

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