gb news. >> good afternoon britain . it's >> good afternoon britain. it's 12:00 on tuesday. the 27th of february. >> lee anderson has refused to rule out defecting to the reform party as the row over his comments enters its fourth day. home secretary james cleverly has called on the former tory deputy chairman to apologise and the liberal democrats have now tabled a motion of censure in the house of commons. no go areas. >> another tory islamophobia row after an mp refers to places in birmingham and london with large muslim communities as unsafe . muslim communities as unsafe. he's been criticised by mps in his own party, but some say he's made a fair comment and prince william has dramatically pulled out of attending his godfather's

memorial service due to what the palace are calling personal reasons . reasons. >> as the last minute announcement is raising eyebrows among some royal watchers. this news about the windsor memorial service just breaking in the last hour or so is really quite concerning because prince william, it's the memorial service for his godfather. >> yeah . it was only down the >> yeah. it was only down the road from where he lives. he was meant to do a reading at this memorial service. and there's this this last minute pulling out for% reasons. and what does personal reasons mean? >> is he unwell? does it have to do with the princess of wales , do with the princess of wales, who we know is in recovery ? uh, who we know is in recovery? uh, what could it be? it has to be. he needed with the king. is he needed with the king? because the queen was supposed to be leading this on behalf of the

royal family, camilla, royal family, queen camilla, that is. and, uh, now, now, prince william's not going to be there . could be? it's curious. >> it's very curious. and it has to something incredibly to be something incredibly significant he was meant significant because he was meant to a big part of this to be a big part of this memorial service for someone who was quite close him. was really quite close to him. so big questions there. and we'll discussing this through we'll be discussing this through the we learn more the show as we learn more information on potentially what could be the cause of this, do get your thoughts coming in gbviews@gbnews.com is the address to email? >> yes, but first it's your headunes >> yes, but first it's your headlines with sofia . headlines with sofia. >> thanks, emily. good afternoon . it's 12:02. >> thanks, emily. good afternoon . it's12:02. i'm sofia >> thanks, emily. good afternoon . it's 12:02. i'm sofia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story this hour. ministers are refusing to call a suspended mps. comments. islamophobic senior conservatives are under growing pressure to explain why lee anderson's remarks were wrong , after the former deputy wrong, after the former deputy chair criticised the london mayor. he's refusing to

apologise and maintain sadiq khan has lost control of london to a tiny minority of extremists . mr anderson says he's simply trying to highlight what he believes is the mayor's failure to tackle pro—palestine protests . the conservative party is facing more backlash after mp paul scully claimed there were no go areas in birmingham and east london. the former minister made reference to areas with large muslim communities, which he says he now regrets. west midlands mayor andy street responded by saying westminster needs to stop the nonsense slurs . meanwhile, mps are warning protests are putting unsustainable pressure on police resources . they're calling on resources. they're calling on the government to give more support as demonstrations continue over the israel—gaza war. a cross—party committee found that policing protests between the 7th of october and the 17th of december last year cost forces more than £25 million pounds. former scotland yard detective peter bleksley

says the marches are having a massive impact on resources in the committee has said the organisers of these protests probably should be forced into giving more notice of them because literally they're telling the met within days that there's going to be 100,000 or more people on the streets of london. >> and of course, that's putting huge pressure on the police and their resources. >> in other news, there's been no breakthrough on negotiations for a gaza ceasefire, but qatar says it remains optimistic. it's after a proposal to swap israeli hostages for palestinian prisoners, and it was sent to hamas . several days of hamas. several days of multinational talks have been held in paris discussing the possibility of a temporary truce . reports suggest the deal would see all israeli women children under 19, elderly and sick hostages released in exchange for a number of palestinian prisoners under water. experts who supported the search for nicola bulley are joining the operation to find a toddler in leicester. two year old xylo

maruziva fell into the river soar nine days ago while out with his family. police say the search area is being widened with teams checking various points along the river. the home secretary will call on the international community to take collective action on migration in a major speech in new york, james cleverly will urge countries to work together to address root causes and to smash the people smuggling gangs. he'll also say that doing the right thing by migrants doesn't necessarily mean relocating them to the uk , and labour vows to to the uk, and labour vows to tackle misogyny in schools if they win the next general election . the party will give election. the party will give teachers the tools to end the scourge of sexual harassment by young men, influenced by online misogyny. under new plans, boys will mentor younger male pupils on how to call out misogyny in classrooms. recent data from ofsted found. the mention of the terms sexual harassment in schools grew by more than 3,000% between 2019 and 2022. shadow

education secretary bridget phillipson said it's a growing issue , it is a big problem and issue, it is a big problem and the reports that i hear from students and staff alike is that this can involve bullying online of a of a sexual nature, misogynistic comments, but also, sadly within the classroom as well. >> so sometimes towards staff or students, unaccept behaviours, physical intimidation and misogynistic language and attitudes. and i believe we've got a responsibility to tackle it. >> queen camilla is leading the royal family at memorial service for the late king constantine of greece, the prince of wales , who greece, the prince of wales, who was due to deliver a reading at the service, has pulled out due to a personal matter. kensington palace didn't elaborate but confirmed the princess of wales, who's recovering from abdominal surgery, continues to be doing well. the king is also missing the service as he continues treatment for cancer . the service as he continues treatment for cancer. and thousand aides have gathered will gather in portsmouth later this year as the city becomes the uk's official host to mark

80 years since d—day. the names of 13 normandy veterans will be added to the city's memorial wall as part of the commemorations, the hampshire city played a key role in preparing for the invasion of the normandy beaches in 1944, a turning point for the war. and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts . now gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to tom and . emily it's back to tom and. emily >> good afternoon britain. it's 12:07 and the home secretary, james cleverly, has joined calls for lee anderson, the former deputy chair of the conservative party to apologise after suggesting that sadiq khan is controlled by islamists. >> yes, despite senior conservatives facing mounting pressure to describe mr anderson's comments as islamophobic , he is refusing to apologise. >> this comes as the liberal

democrats have tabled a motion aiden to call for the former tory deputy chair, lee anderson, to come to the house and apologise for his comments about the mayor of london. also to censure him. >> they're all joining in, they're joining in. shall we they're all joining in. shall we speak to news political speak to gb news political editor christopher hope from westminster , about all this? i westminster, about all this? i also want to get you on paul scully and his his comments about no go areas to which have added to this whole islamophobia row. let's start with lee row. but let's start with lee anderson. where does he sit at this moment ? this moment? >> well, yes. afternoon, tom. hi emily. yes, he is weighing up his future as an independent mp. of course, he was interviewed for patrick christys show last night on this channel by me and patrick yesterday he made very clear he's not sure what to do next. he says he's on a journey. of course. he was a labour councillor until he became a tory mp in the first time he voted tory was for himself in ashfield back in 2019. in that election, he's clearly thinking

that should he go to reform uk, that's what we wouldn't refuse to answer that question properly. last night i've been talking to senior tory mps. properly. last night i've been talking to senior tory mps . just talking to senior tory mps. just now in parliament. one mp who knows him quite well says he's 5050 on going across to reform uk. could we see lee anderson crossing the floor of the house of commons tomorrow at pmqs to sit on the independent benches as a reform uk mp ? that is as a reform uk mp? that is possible. i think, james cleverly remarks you were reporting there overnight from america are not helpful at all because he feels he's very clear. he has nothing to apologise for in his world. lee anderson thinks he made fair comment about sadiq khan. he said his remarks were clumsy, but his point remains the remains the same. this idea of a double standard in policing, he thinks the mayor of london should speak out more about that. so i think what what i'm seeing is the tory party pushing lee anderson into a corner and what will he do next? well, it seems to me he could be on the way to joining reform that would

be an incredibly significant moment. >> after all, we had two by elections just over just around two weeks ago that showed that these reform polling numbers have of around 11, 12% are beanng have of around 11, 12% are bearing themselves out in real votes. now for the first time. so some representing in parliament could be, uh , an parliament could be, uh, an ignition to that, perhaps gunpowder ready to blow. but but christopher hope this is day five now of this story. it's remarkable that it's dragged on from friday to saturday, sunday, monday, tuesday . the liberal monday, tuesday. the liberal democrats today , uh, putting democrats today, uh, putting down an early day motion in the house of commons, a motion of censure. what does this mean ? censure. what does this mean? well not much really. >> i mean, it's an edm, an early day motion, like a petition . um, day motion, like a petition. um, it says that this house censors , it says that this house censors, um, the member for ashfield regarding his comments regarding the mayor of london, which were islamic phobic , damaging, islamic phobic, damaging, divisive and risk bringing the house into disrepute. and calls on anderson to come to the

on lee anderson to come to the house and apologise for these remarks. well, there's more chance, snowflake chance, frankly, of a snowflake in june than him saying sorry for these remarks, particularly under pressure from the liberal democrats. it's of a it's democrats. it's more of a it's more performative by the lib dems. you will see labour mps, snp mps , uh, and of course lib snp mps, uh, and of course lib dems signing it, but it will mean little more than that. but i think i think yeah, there's a question here. lee anderson was asked last night. we asked him will the next election will he fight the next election as as a tory mp, if a tory as an mp as a tory mp, if a tory candidate he said yes, i'll fight election and then left fight the election and then left a blank. so will you go to reform that's the question reform uk? that's the question we're at the moment we're all asking at the moment and elsewhere. this morning i should say richard tice has told another broadcaster, that should say richard tice has told anot turned adcaster, that should say richard tice has told anot turned down er, that should say richard tice has told anot turned down two that should say richard tice has told anot turned down two requests he's turned down two requests from tory mps to join reform. the question now is who were they turn down two requests. >> yes, the question is who could those two be? absolutely >> why would he turn them? why would he turn them down? really make sense to me. make much sense to me. >> i mean, christopher, can i ask paul scully? ask you about paul scully? because conservative mp

because another conservative mp who to sunak who will add to rishi sunak headache, uh, today and over the weekend, he's been widely criticised for suggesting there are no go areas religious, no go areas in some areas of east london and birmingham. now he's written a pretty curious piece in the telegraph, actually , in the telegraph, actually, where he explains his comments. he seems to see himself as a moderate voice on these types of issues of religious extremism and islamist extremism and such things. he's now been called an islamophobe for what he said, and he's suggesting that now he's going to walk away from the conversation altogether and stop his support for these communities . it's quite communities. it's quite interesting . yeah interesting. yeah >> i've just seen him also in the portcullis house area of parliament. he is trying to dial it down a bit . again, no go it down a bit. again, no go areas is the kind of language which was used during the troubles and the different sectarian issues there. i mean, it's not a helpful language to

use at all, but he's trying to say that some parts of the uk, um, you know, it maybe doesn't feel feel comfortable in them. and is a man who is a and this is a man who is a minister of course, minister for london, of course, for, during the covid for, for during the covid pandemic, small business pandemic, a small business minister to be the minister who tried to be the tory fight the tory candidate to fight the london elections, london mayoral elections, i mean, he's trying he's quite a moderate tory and i think the language here has surprise even his friends. but he's trying to wind a bit and try to wind it down a bit and try to explain what he meant. explain more of what he meant. >> he's winding it >> i'm not sure he's winding it down, though, though he does give examples. give some examples. >> that he's talking >> he says that he's talking about, um, vigilante muslim patrols, a vigilante patrols, which were a vigilante group hamlets. he also group in tower hamlets. he also talks hizb ut—tahrir, and talks about hizb ut—tahrir, and they're organised protests in east london. so he's giving a bit an explanation, but then bit of an explanation, but then he's well, that's it, he's saying, well, that's it, i'm to i'm to leave i'm going to i'm going to leave the it's a bit the conversation. it's all a bit all bit odd. all a bit odd. >> yes. although i think i think he sort he might wound he sort of he might have wound back he sees why back to say that he sees why there's the perception of no go areas, rather than saying there areas, rather than saying there are areas. in actuality , are no go areas. in actuality, but there will be much more on this, no doubt, throughout the

day. christopher hope, day. for now, christopher hope, thank much for joining thank you very much for joining us here on good afternoon britain. >> stuff. well the prince >> good stuff. well the prince of wales, as toby saying , is of wales, as toby was saying, is no attending the memorial no longer attending the memorial service the service of his godfather, the late king constantine of greece, taking place at windsor castle today, pulling out due to a personal matter that's according to kensington palace. well, the palace released any palace has not released any further information but further information, but confirmed princess confirmed that the princess of wales well wales is still recovering well from abdominal surgery . from abdominal surgery. >> uh, the queen camilla will lead the royal family at the memorial service. >> well, overall , correspondent >> well, overall, correspondent cameron walker is here with us now. um, can. aaron. i guess we don't know too many details. and, uh, why should we? >> well , exactly. i suppose >> well, exactly. i suppose they're saying it's a personal matter for prince william. and we know he's a very private individual. so we're not elaborating further . i think the elaborating further. i think the big question this morning is it was why was it cancelled so last minute? prince william is heir to the throne was due to be giving a reading at this memorial that at memorial service that ended at around today at saint

around midday today at saint george's chapel in windsor. he is the godson of the late king constantine, the second of greece . and yet we get a message greece. and yet we get a message from kensington palace. uh, just over an hour ago now, saying that the prince has pulled out of the service due to a personal matter. now, i've been assured that it's nothing to do with the princess of wales's health. she continues to recover. well, as you in your introduction you said in your introduction from surgery three, i from abdominal surgery three, i also understand that prince william's future engagements are unaffected by this and i quote personal matter . but now, of personal matter. but now, of course, all these everybody speculating as to what this personal matter could be. i think we're certainly getting a sense of caution from royal sources . they don't want us to sources. they don't want us to go into panic mode, and they're very keen to stress that it's nothing to do with the princess of wales. but of course, king charles has cancer, a cancer diagnosis . we also know that diagnosis. we also know that it's nothing. the reason prince william's out nothing william's pulled out is nothing to health to do with the king's health either . but it's got to do with the king's health either. but it's got us into a situation where a big royal

event where several different european royal families are attending, led by her majesty the queen, is happening in windsor only one of our british senior royals is actually in attendance, which is queen camilla, because king charles has cancer and isn't doing any pubuc has cancer and isn't doing any public engagements. the princess of wales obviously has has had an abdominal surgery and continues to recover , which just continues to recover, which just leaves prince william. but then he's pulled out last minute and that not have been that would not have been a decision taken lightly. i think it's pretty significant it's a pretty significant personal matter as to why prince william decided not to william has decided not to attend minute. attend. quite so last minute. >> no , really concerning there. >> no, really concerning there. but cameron does this show perhaps fatal flaw in the perhaps a fatal flaw in the king's idea of a slimmed down royal family? frankly there are fewer people now to take the slack. and if an unexpected event like has happened to the prince of wales today does take place, then perhaps they're left in a sticky situation. yeah and to quote princess anne, the princess royal, who's the king's

sister, who was speaking to canadian television just before the coronation she said the idea of a slimmed down monarchy sounded better idea sounded like a much better idea when were a few more when there were a few more people around because, we people around because, as we know, william, prince know, prince william, prince harry no longer harry and meghan are no longer working members of the royal family. working members of the royal fanthey're california. and >> they're in california. and then has obviously then prince andrew has obviously had as a member of had to step back as a member of the royal, as a working member of family in disgrace. of the royal family in disgrace. but prince andrew but both prince andrew and fergie , duchess of york, walks fergie, duchess of york, walks together , arrives together at together, arrives together at this service today in front of all the cameras as well. so let's see how well that went down with prince william. and, uh, perhaps other working uh, and perhaps other working members family. but members of the royal family. but of would have been of course, it would have been sanctioned probably the king sanctioned by probably the king and queen camilla. and it was a personal private service. this wasn't a kind of working member of the royal family events, which is perhaps we saw which is why perhaps we saw prince and, uh, sarah, prince andrew and, uh, sarah, duchess of attend, and lots duchess of york attend, and lots of people getting in touch, actually inbox saying actually in our inbox saying it's our business what's it's none of our business what's wrong prince of wales wrong with the prince of wales and his personal matter is. and what his personal matter is. >> guess the royal family >> but i guess the royal family has been revealing more about

their health and personal matters. it's become almost a norm for us to know a little bit too much detail. so i guess that's why there will be speculation . speculation. >> well, quite possibly. i think there's also a clear difference between buckingham palace and kensington palace. it's clearly the king's wish that he gives his as medical his public as much medical details possible with a the details as possible with a the enlarged prostate and b the cancer diagnosis, although we don't it is don't know which cancer it is other it's not prostate other than it's not prostate cancen other than it's not prostate cancer. kensington palace do have they they only discuss medical details if it's absolutely necessary. so the fact we know about the princess of wales is because as she was in hospital for pretty big surgery she's no longer surgery and she's no longer carrying engagements carrying out engagements until easter, they kept very quiet easter, and they kept very quiet when prince william had covid back in 2020, they didn't give us any until after us any details until after prince william had recovered, possibly stop mass panic. um, possibly to stop mass panic. um, and that is a very clear distinction. prince william and catherine are both very private individuals. it's a different type of member of the royal family, as it were . so there is

family, as it were. so there is a clear distinction there. well thank much indeed. thank you very much indeed. >> walker >> cameron walker of royal correspondent, speak to correspondent, great to speak to you. i mean, tom, look, brian , you. i mean, tom, look, brian, brian's just written in. he says , what's all fuss about? , what's all the fuss about? maybe just has a toothache or maybe he just has a toothache or a migraine. maybe he just has a toothache or a nyesnine. maybe he just has a toothache or a nyes .1e. maybe he just has a toothache or a nyes . and graham said >> yes. and graham has said that. please refrain from speculating to the personal speculating as to the personal reasons behind his absence from a memorial service. i doubt you would welcome this intrusion into your life. well, quite. >> but i guess the bigger question that mentioned question that you mentioned there this says about there is what this says about this , slimline royal family this slim, slimline royal family do we have enough people? let's speak former bbc royal speak to former bbc royal correspondent michael cole. mike cole, cameron walker has set the scene very nicely for us. heanng scene very nicely for us. hearing that prince william has had to pull out of this event well, very much at the last minute. what's your assessment ? minute. what's your assessment? >> yeah, he always does. >> yeah, he always does. >> cameron sets the scene . >> cameron sets the scene. >> cameron sets the scene. >> um, i hope it's not serious, but i think it is worrying . but i think it is worrying. let's put it like that . uh, it let's put it like that. uh, it has been made clear from an unnamed source that, uh, the

reason for him pulling out of this memorial service for his godson , father and second godson, father and second cousin, uh, king constantine ii of greece has nothing to do with with, uh, kate. and there we see her looking lovelier in happier times. uh let's hope it's nothing to do with that . we do nothing to do with that. we do nothing to do with that. we do not know. i think it is unusual, as you've said at the last minute, uh, to pull out that said , the royal family was well said, the royal family was well represented there. queen camilla was there and, uh, of course, other members of the royal family, including, uh, the duke of york and, uh, sarah ferguson, one of the rare events where royal events where there presence is not only accepted , presence is not only accepted, but probably welcome, because this is very much a family affair for king constantine of greece was very close to the royal family, and all members of his royal, of his own family

were very close and very friendly . there we see the duke friendly. there we see the duke was this when he was on the air ambulance. yeah, there he is with his wingman , uh, tom with his wingman, uh, tom cruise, and he got off a couple of good jokes there. he's been flying solo, of course, since the 17th of january. very well . the 17th of january. very well. that shocking day of double, uh, and royal announcements of , and royal announcements of, first of all, uh, the princess of wales and then the king going into the london clinic for for, treatment and of course , he's treatment and of course, he's making, uh, a brave face of it all. he's affable with everybody. he was a very good guard up here in east anglia, a very excellent, uh, pilot of the air ambulance up here. and he saw a lot of terrible things and rode accidents and so on. he did the job. and of course, he was at bafta smiling and schmoozing with the stars on sunday. but he did look slightly. did you not think emily and tom a little bit alone? a little bit lost without , uh, his wingman, his real wingman in life? uh, kate . so we wingman in life? uh, kate. so we don't know what is going on. as

i said at the beginning, uh, to you both, i hope it's nothing serious, but it is unusual. not unprecedented, but it's unusual at the very last minute. however being the gentleman that he is , being the gentleman that he is, uh, prince william did make it clear to king constantine widow and his heir , uh, prince pavlos. and his heir, uh, prince pavlos. um that he wouldn't be there . um that he wouldn't be there. and i'm quite sure that nobody tookit and i'm quite sure that nobody took it untoward. they understood that he had a personal matter, and he had to deal with it. >> well, michael, let's hope that we see him again soon. you're right to remind us we did see him as recently as as sunday. but michael cole, former bbc correspondent, bbc royal correspondent, thank you time. you for your time. >> let's quickly cross >> well, let's quickly cross over poland, where farmers over to poland, where farmers are absolutely are holding an absolutely massive downtown massive protest in downtown warsaw. now, is escalating warsaw. now, this is escalating their month long strike that began two weeks ago and this is all against various eu agricultural policies. >> yes. it follows on from dramatic scenes yesterday in brussels, where we saw cordon was breached and streets ablaze ,

was breached and streets ablaze, and in madrid with an enormous protest marching down the street, things have spread now to eastern europe and warsaw with these farmers gathering. and of course, right from spain to poland and everywhere in between, we have seen these protests erupt from farmers upset, angry and aggrieved at eu agricultural policy. >> yes, they want the polish government to withdraw from the eu's green deal. so that's all the measures to help the environment and climate change. but they so often come at a cost to, uh, farmers directly, you know, using land for various things that they weren't intending to producing less food, producing less higher pnces food, producing less higher prices for consumers. food, producing less higher prices for consumers . well, that prices for consumers. well, that indeed flare going off there . indeed flare going off there. the red flare lots of, uh, national flags being waved. >> we will be, of course, back with this protest and see what develops in warsaw throughout the program. but coming up, a report finds protests over the

gaza conflict and the disrupt of tactics of some groups are putting unsustainable pressure on police resources. we'll dig into the details . into the details. >> £25 million. it's costing the police so far, apparently . police so far, apparently. >> well, this is good afternoon, britain on tv.

up on this one? >> you're listening to gb news radio . radio. >> good afternoon, britain. 12:27 and protest organisers may have to give the police more nofice have to give the police more notice of demonstrations. yes yes. >> the home office has been encouraged to require protest groups to inform the authorities earlier due to the frequency and the scale of demonstrations over the scale of demonstrations over the middle east conflict. >> well, a home affairs committee report found the disrupt active tactics of some groups causing unsustainable groups are causing unsustainable pressure on police resources. >> yes, protests between october and december last year cost get this cost. police forces across

the country more than £25 million of your to money police. well, gb news reporter charlie peters joins us now. charlie, £25 million. just so far since october the ninth. i believe that first pro palestine protest was a huge amount of money. >> it is significant. and of that, 25,000,081 is a cost. being held by the metropolitan police, which has about 25% of the budget for policing for england and wales, where of course, london is seeing the most significant and high profile israel gaza protests and the key finding from this report is you've mentioned, tom, is that the committee, the home affairs select committee , wants affairs select committee, wants the police to have the time of which they can be notified of upcoming protests raised from six days. so amid all this concern about cost and the availability of police officers, distracts ing from resources ,

distracts ing from resources, their main recommendation is quite limited. just improving the number of days required for protests . actors to alert the protests. actors to alert the authorities of an upcoming demonstration. they've also found that some 4000 rest days have been lost by police officers in those three months, while the demonstrations have taken place. this, they say , has taken place. this, they say, has detracted from police attention elsewhere and reduced the well—being of police at a time when they are desperately trying to improve of their recruitment . to improve of their recruitment. and how is this report being received by activists and campaigners? well, the headline response, i think, has come from the campaign against anti—semitism, has anti—semitism, which has described the report as disappointing. the report found that it condemned the protest acts outside mps houses , which acts outside mps houses, which it says was intimidating and interrupted the democracy in britain. but the campaign against anti—semitism have said that british jews feel the same

level of intimidation when these large protests take place. they say that insufficient attention and action is being taken by the police to deal with cries of jihad in british cities , and jihad in british cities, and also incidents like the yemeni houthi terrorists chant is being allowed to continue . and also allowed to continue. and also that genocidal chant perceived by many of from the river to the sea. israel palestine, sorry, shall be free, which they say is a call to destroy by the british. the jewish homeland in the middle east. so amid those concerns , they say, well, mps concerns, they say, well, mps are expecting more protection . are expecting more protection. but british jews, some 90% of them are afraid and unwelcome . them are afraid and unwelcome. they feel in city centres when these major protests take place . these major protests take place. >> yeah, well, charlie peters, thank you very much for giving us the detail there. it's hugely concerning you don't think that so many millions of pounds are

required to police these demonstrations. but but that's when they take such a standoffish approach. >> i mean, i've walked through these protests and you can see misbehaviour or illegal behaviour or what you might think is illegal behaviour , and think is illegal behaviour, and the police just sort of stand there watching. and i know they don't want to incite, you know, mob like behaviour, but i mean, come on, when you've got that projection on big ben , when projection on big ben, when you've got people with the most hideous placards, when you've got people draped in in face masks that make them look extremely intimidating, the police should probably be, you know, do a little more. >> but then again, isn't that the point that when you have numbers such as we see on these protests, people covering their faces looking intimidating, if you have half a dozen police, there and hundreds of intimidating protesters , others, intimidating protesters, others, i can sort of understand why they'd rather step back , then they'd rather step back, then take picture, pursue the take a picture, pursue the arrest later rather than getting into a dangerous. >> this annoys me though. this annoys me though, because i, i

don't. they come across as fearful . well now perhaps that's fearful. well now perhaps that's not say . perhaps our not fair to say. perhaps our police are the bravest people out world, but to out there in the world, but to me , sometimes when see them me, sometimes when i see them standing back, allowing whatever behaviour to go on right in front of their eyes, it does give impression at least, give the impression at least, that there's a little of that there's a little bit of fear there. >> well, i have no doubt that there is. but you've seen this again and again in statements. the metropolitan will the metropolitan police will say what in what we prefer to do in in situations that could ignite into something bigger, into something violent is stand back, record incident out and record the incident out and pursue arrests later . pursue arrests later. >> now, i don't know, they'd be very quick to try and move on. far right protesters. >> well, that that. >> well, well, that is that. >> well, well, that is that. >> mean, come on, they were >> i mean, come on, they were interesting not interesting thing when it's not a threatening when a threatening situation when it's preacher standing on it's a lone preacher standing on the streets, they'll happily make arrest because there's the streets, they'll happily maia arrest because there's the streets, they'll happily maia big arrest because there's the streets, they'll happily maia big threat because there's the streets, they'll happily maia big threat of cause there's the streets, they'll happily maia big threat of violence. re's not a big threat of violence. >> and perhaps that's not the way our police should be run, that they're cowered and threatened by violence. but i think explain a lot of think that does explain a lot of these decisions. these policing decisions. >> to be, you >> well, they need to be, you know, need they need

know, they need to be they need to that they have the to know that they have the support coming from top. support coming from the top. i think that's one of the issues. but up, reports have but coming up, reports have emerged of emerged that the ministry of defence get further defence will not get further funding next budget. funding in next week's budget. this despite growing geopolitical tensions. and we're always of always told of the threat of world we'll be world war iii. well, we'll be speaking to the former head of m16 speaking to the former head of mi6 were mi6 after your headlines were severe . severe. >> thanks, emily. it's 1233. severe. >> thanks, emily. it's1233. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . ministers are refusing newsroom. ministers are refusing to call a suspended tory mps comments islamophobic. the prime minister says lee anderson's comments were wrong because they conflated all muslims with islamist extremists . but rishi islamist extremists. but rishi sunak doesn't believe he's racist. the former deputy chair is refusing to apologise for criticising the london mayor and maintains sadiq khan has lost control of london to a tiny minority of extremists . the minority of extremists. the conservative party is facing more backlash after mp paul

scully claimed there were no go areas in birmingham and east london. the former minister made reference to areas with large muslim communities, which he says he now regrets. west midlands mayor andy street responded by saying westminster needs to stop the nonsense slurs . underwater experts who supported the search for nicola bulley are joining the operation to find zealand eras tour. the two year old, who fell into the river soar in leicester nine days ago. police say the search area is being widened with teams checking various points along the . river. an 18th century pub the. river. an 18th century pub that was destroyed in a fire in the west midlands is set to be rebuilt. the crooked house was demolished two days after the blaze last august, causing widespread outrage in the local area. an enforcement notice has been issued against the owner for its unlawful demolition . for its unlawful demolition. local authorities says the building will now be built back to what it was prior to the fire, and queen camilla is

leading the royal family at memorial services for the late king constantine of greece, the prince of wales , who was due to prince of wales, who was due to deliver a reading at the service , has pulled out due to a personal matter . kensington personal matter. kensington palace didn't elaborate but confirmed the princess of wales, whose recovering from abdominal surgery is doing well. the king is also missing the service as he continues treatment for cancer. he continues treatment for cancer . and for the latest cancer. and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. uncommon shirts.

forest are going to get your listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. >> good afternoon britain. it's 12:38 and some breaking news for you now . according to the sun you now. according to the sun newspaper, the bbc has reportedly apologised to the

family of the young person at the centre of the huw edwards scandal for the way that the broadcaster had handled the complaints. yes this comes after the sun published claims in july last year that bbc star huw edwards paid thousands of pounds to a teenager for sexual images. >> the welsh star has been suspended, of course , on full suspended, of course, on full pay, suspended, of course, on full pay, though, since the investigation began . so there investigation began. so there you go. the bbc has now apologised to the family of the young person. the teenager at the centre of the huw edwards scandal, for the way that the broadcaster handled the complaint. >> yes, the bbc presenter is said to have given the young person on more than £35,000 since this individual was 17 years old. these details are, of course, all published in the sun newspaper and created the most enormous media storm. >> yes, and the bbc have been looking into how they can improve all their processes asses to make sure that this type of thing doesn't happen again. but has. the bbc has ,

again. but he has. the bbc has, of course, apologised. now that's the breaking news the that's the breaking news to the family of the teenager involved in all of this. family of the teenager involved in all of this . well, there you in all of this. well, there you go. there's the breaking news. >> moving on. reports suggest that the ministry of defence is not set to get any extra funding in next wednesday's budget . in next wednesday's budget. >> the treasury is likely to argue that stretched public finances will limit the spending in the package unveiled next week by the chancellor, but this is despite stark warnings about the current state of our armed forces and the growing geopolitical tensions . elianne. geopolitical tensions. elianne. >> meanwhile, slovakian prime minister robert fico has said that eu and nato countries are considering sending soldiers to ukraine on a bilateral basis. french president emmanuel macron has not ruled out sending french troops , but german chancellor troops, but german chancellor olaf scholz has ruled out sending any ground troops from germany into ukrainian territory. >> well, we can now speak with the former head of mi6, sir richard dearlove. richard, thank you very much indeed for joining us. are you concerned to read

that the ministry of defence may not have an increased budget at the time of the budget ? the time of the budget? >> yes, of course i am. >> um, i think that at the moment what we have to make some tough choices and. okay there isn't sufficient money to go around all the options, but we have to cut things for security and national defence. and i think that's one of the realities that the country is facing at the moment. >> that's going to be a pretty hard pill for a lot of people to swallow. although public spending is of course at record highs in this country, people still feel like these services are stretched. and i suppose spending on defence is something thatis spending on defence is something that is precautionary. and you can't feel the immediate benefits of . perhaps it's benefits of. perhaps it's understandable that politicians would rather spend more on another 10,000 nurses than on something that is preventing , something that is preventing, uh, threats in the future . uh, threats in the future. >> but if you're faced by a serious national security threat, what on earth is the

point of not having as it were, a secure base for all other expenditure ? um, okay, this is expenditure? um, okay, this is an argument which would, you know, has been conducted since roman times. i think it was cicero who said the first duty of the government is the security of the state and, uh, traditional lists like me think that we have massively underspent on defence in recent years and we're now in a danger , years and we're now in a danger, grossly underfunded position . an grossly underfunded position. an the navy needs to be bigger. the army needs more boots on the ground . and you know, there is ground. and you know, there is always the expense of aircraft as well. so there's no question that this is a priority . that this is a priority. >> it's quite alarming actually. if you think about it, that we're not priority rising extra spending for defence, considering all the threats. we're constantly talking about and told about it by ministers and told about it by ministers and the government, we've heard from the ministry of defence that we're facing huge numbers of threats, not least from

russia in ukraine. but of course, lots has been happening in the middle east with various conflict acts. and now we're saying, oh wait, we can actually do without out a boost in expenditure . at the same time, expenditure. at the same time, we're told that our army numbers are dwindling. i'm not sure it makes of sense . makes a lot of sense. >> uh, i'm afraid it doesn't. to someone like me with my background and, you know, we have to face the fact that we have to face the fact that we have a major war on the european continent and that absolutely, fundamentally affects the security of the united kingdom. and, you know , the old adage, if and, you know, the old adage, if you wish for peace, prepare for war. we need larger , more war. we need larger, more significant armed forces. we need more boots on the ground. one of the lessons of the war in ukraine is the importance of soldiers . um, maybe more soldiers. um, maybe more important in some respects than equipment . important in some respects than equipment. but, you know, there's a balance there, but we

just haven't got large enough armed forces at the moment. >> so, richard, what do you make of these sort of hints and remarks from various european leaders about euro indian soldiers going to fight in ukraine, about soldiers from nato countries going to fight in ukraine? is there a real risk of spill—over from this conflict that we and the americans and the canadians and everyone else in nato could be drawn in? >> there's a risk of spill—over if there's some sort of accidental confrontation, but i do not believe at the moment that a nato member country , even that a nato member country, even on a bilateral arrangement, is going to deploy soldiers into the conflict in ukraine and the ukrainians themselves don't want that. ukrainians themselves don't want that . they need equipment ukrainians themselves don't want that. they need equipment, ukrainians themselves don't want that . they need equipment , they that. they need equipment, they need funds, and they say quite clearly, we're here to do the fighting. we don't want you to do it for us. so i think some of

these statements at the moment are probably rather misleading. there are certainly be some advisers out of uniform that they're on a contract or individual basis. i mean, i don't know the detail . that's don't know the detail. that's a speculative comment, but i'm pretty sure that there will be people there that's different. but the idea, i mean, the slovak prime minister is just alleged some sort of deployment of armed forces actually into the conflict from from western europe. i personally, i just europe. i personally, ijust don't believe it. it's not going to happen, not at the moment. absolutely not. >> well , that's a reassuring >> well, that's a reassuring note to end on. sir richard dearlove, former head of mi6, really appreciate your time here on good afternoon britain. thanks for coming on. on good afternoon britain. thaveryor coming on. on good afternoon britain. thavery interesting)n. on good afternoon britain. thavery interesting indeed . very >> very interesting indeed. very interesting why would we interesting indeed. why would we not put more money into defence? well, could there be anything more critical than that? >> one of the arguments, though, is amount that put is just the amount that we put in now. it being spent in the in now. is it being spent in the right we know the right way? we know the procurement a disaster. we procurement is a disaster. we know that our aircraft carriers that spent billions on

know that our aircraft carriers that get spent billions on know that our aircraft carriers that get sp oft billions on know that our aircraft carriers that get sp of harbour. on can't get out of harbour. >> well, that's a very good point, too. a very good point, too. that's a very good point. coming we're point. but coming up, we're looking to a major speech looking ahead to a major speech from the home secretary in which he'll call for an international push address push to address global migration. what exactly will he say you're watching? good afternoon britain on gb news. we're the

listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. >> it's 1249. you're watching and listening to good afternoon britain. now the home secretary, james cleverly, will lead an international push to address global migration in a major speech today during a two day visit to the united states, the home secretary will outline how this global issue can only be met with global action to reform migration policy and urge the international to community unite international to community unite in facing this challenge . in facing this challenge. >> all right. >> all right. >> well, joining us now is gb news home and security editor mark white. mark, thank you very much . is this an exceptional much. is this an exceptional speech that he's making today ?

speech that he's making today? who will be there? who will be listening and what he say ? listening and what might he say? >> yeah, i mean, it's at the carnegie institute in new york, and i think it's an important speech. he raises an important issue, which is the need for countries around the world really , to get together to really, to get together to tackle what is a global crisis . tackle what is a global crisis. now, he says that really, it needs the same kind of effort and enthused ism that countries and enthused ism that countries and individuals have adopted in deaung and individuals have adopted in dealing with the climate crisis. but of course, we know that there are many people who are probably less enthusiastic about necessarily talking about just how significant the climate of the immigration crisis is or will be in the years ahead . but will be in the years ahead. but we know that there have been estimate of at least a billion people over the coming years who will be on the move for a variety of reasons , uh, be that variety of reasons, uh, be that war or famine , uh, lack of

war or famine, uh, lack of opportunities at home and the like. and james cleverly, in this speech will say that it really needs an international effort for countries to come together to look at ways in which they can, uh, try to make more of an impact and give opportunities, he says , to, uh, opportunities, he says, to, uh, people in countries that they're leaving , uh, to come to the leaving, uh, to come to the likes of the us or the uk or wherever they might be headed. now, on that score, of course, he's talking about more investment in a lot of these countries. well, this comes at a time, of course, as far as the uk is concerned, where the international development budget has been cut quite significantly and no indication as yet that that's going to be increased any time soon. >> is he not talking about trade , though? more than aid . , though? more than aid. >> well , he's , though? more than aid. >> well, he's he's talking about trade opportunities , but he's trade opportunities, but he's also talking about giving these

countries the kind of opportunity , uh, that they need opportunity, uh, that they need in terms of being able to build the infrastructure, the training , uh, that these people, uh, who are living in these countries can then adopt and then realise , can then adopt and then realise, uh, opportunities within that country rather than looking overseas . these, um, to, to overseas. these, um, to, to move. but of course we know it's not just to down the economics. there are other issues at play that are drivers for people leaving their country . and that leaving their country. and that can be down to very dysfunctional governments as well. threats, uh, at home, war and famine. as we discuss. so it's not necessarily just about giving them opportunities in terms of trade as well. >> mark. quite just one final question for you. is this the culmination of really what we've seen for many, many years? we saw tony blair call for a change

to the international migration system. we've seen emmanuel macron call for it too. are we now reaching a point where perhaps these old 1950s treaties could actually be updated . could actually be updated. >> well, it's certainly possible . and one of the issues that he will raise as well is a need for the global community to look at, uh, human rights laws, for instance, that were, uh, refugee laws that were put in place , of laws that were put in place, of course, for a different era, uh, and that really are not fit for purpose when it comes to, to the modern era. so that's one thing they're looking at. i mean, he's saying as well, of course, that the uk government is leading the way when it comes to migration policy. i think there's many people disagree with people that might disagree with that. what we've been that. given what we've been seeing in terms of the small boats crisis for instance, he says rwanda is says that rwanda is a groundbreaking policy, but it's two years almost since that policy was announced . not a policy was announced. not a single flight has left for

rwanda . um, so, you know, some rwanda. um, so, you know, some some people would suggest that perhaps it's, uh, the, the british government in terms of its migration policy, is not as leading as james cleverly might seem to suggest . seem to suggest. >> well, thank you very much indeed for your time. mark white, our homeland security edhon white, our homeland security editor. there >> it does seem that politicians have always pointed to the fact that there were treaties drawn up after the second world war that applied to the movement of tens of thousands of people. but we're looking at the movement of potentially people potentially a billion people now. are these systems are now. and are these systems are these structures you have these structures where you have to let anyone to automatically let in anyone from part of the from any troubled part of the world, fit for purpose in world, they fit for purpose in a day an age of mass migration ? day in an age of mass migration? >> well, there's a question, i think not. but coming up, we're debating is it wrong to say there are no go areas in the uk? or of course, this relates to paul scully . mps comments that paul scully. mps comments that uh, uh, got him into quite a bit of trouble. this is good afternoon britain. we're on gb

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gb news. >> good afternoon britain . it's >> good afternoon britain. it's 1:00 on tuesday the 27th of february. >> lee anderson has refused to rule out defecting to the reform party as the row over his islamist comments enters its fourth day. home secretary james cleverly has called on the former tory deputy chairman to apologise . and now the liberal apologise. and now the liberal democrats have tabled a motion of censure in the house of commons and prince william has dramatically pulled out of attending his godfather's memorial service due to what the palace are calling personal reasons . reasons. >> the last minute announcement is raising eyebrows, though, among some royal watchers, no go areas. >> another tory islamophobia row after an mp refers to places in birmingham and london with large muslim communities as unsafe . muslim communities as unsafe. he's been criticised by mps in

his own party, but some say he's made fair comments. will debate the issue. hearing from both sides of the argument. >> well , what do we sides of the argument. >> well, what do we make of these no go area comments? of course, many people have suggested that it's islamophobic and bigoted and whatnot that paul scully said this about some areas of east london, i think, he said. and areas of birmingham, including sparkhill. >> well, um, well, i suppose it all depends on your definition of what a no go area is. i mean, any fool can see there are some parts of some of our big cities in the uk that you wouldn't want to walk through at night, or wouldn't be as comfortable walking through at night as compared areas. i mean, compared to other areas. i mean, i think that you'd have to be, frankly , fairly moronic to not frankly, fairly moronic to not think that . think that. >> i think he's talking about it's religious element, it's the religious element, though, controversial though, that's the controversial element, he it's

element, because he said it's due uh, um , the highly, due to, uh, um, the highly, highly muslim populated communities. now he has clarified somewhat what he said. and he did say this is because there have been vigilante groups called the muslim vigilantes . i called the muslim vigilantes. i think it is. he said, um, who have been out in areas of east london. you can check that muslim patrols, muslim patrols, and also he talked about hizb ut—tahrir, the now proscribed terror group , um, well, islamist terror group, um, well, islamist group with organised protesting . group with organised protesting. so he's talking about pockets . so he's talking about pockets. >> yes. and i think, i think his new clarified comments, which he's which he released this morning seem to row back a little bit from his comments yesterday. >> he talked about no go areas in their entirety yesterday. now he's saying the impression of no go areas has been given by some of these groups. these muslim patrols and ut—tahrir , patrols and hizb ut—tahrir, which little bit different which is a little bit different to saying yesterday. to what he was saying yesterday. but perhaps rings more true. >> he also talks about how he's a voice and how he's a moderate voice and how he's going out after he's been going to bow out after he's been told islamic phobe. um, told he's an islamic phobe. um, from within the community,

from some within the community, if means whatever that if that means whatever that means. yes, let us know. means. but he. yes, let us know. do think there are no do you think that there are no go in this country? go areas in this country? perhaps live near1 or 1 perhaps you live near 1 or1 where you perceive it to be a no go area. do you think that's a bit of an outrageous thing to say? know. say? let us know. vaiews@gbnews.com. we're going to in just to be debating it in just a little bit. but first your headlines. >> tom, emily. thank you. it's 1:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . ministers are gb newsroom. ministers are refusing to call a suspended tory mps . comments islamophobic. tory mps. comments islamophobic. the prime minister has reiterated his views, saying lee anderson's remarks about the london mayor were wrong because they conflated all muslims with islamist extremists . but he islamist extremists. but he doesn't believe he's a racist . doesn't believe he's a racist. the former deputy chair is refusing to apologise and maintain sadiq khan has lost control of london to a tiny minority of extremists. mr anderson says he's simply trying to highlight what he believes is the mayor's failure to tackle pro—palestine protest . it's and

pro—palestine protest. it's and the conservative party is facing more backlash after mp paul scully claimed there are no go areas in birmingham and east london. the former minister made reference to areas with large muslim communities which he says he now regrets. west midlands mayor andy street responded by saying westminster needs to stop the nonsense slurs . meanwhile, the nonsense slurs. meanwhile, mps are warning protests are putting unsustainable pressure on police resources. there calling on the government to give more support as demonstrations continue over the israel—gaza war. a cross party committee found that policing the protests between the 7th of october and the 17th of december last year cost forces more than £25 million. former scotland yard detective peter bleksley says the marches are having a massive impact on resources and the committee has said the organisers of these protests probably should be forced into giving more notice of them because literally they're telling the met within days that there's going to be 100,000 or

more people on the streets of london. >> and of course, that's putting huge pressure on the police and their resources . their resources. >> other news, there's >> as in other news, there's been no breakthrough on negotiations for a gaza ceasefire. but qatar says it remains optimistic. it's after a proposal to swap israeli hostages for palestinian prisoners was sent to hamas several days of multinational talks have been held in paris discussing the possibility of a temporary truce. reports suggest the deal would see all israeli women, children under 19, elderly and sick hostages released in exchange for a number of palestinian prisoners. the bbc has apologised to the family, embroiled in the huw edwards scandal over the way their complaint was handled. it follows, claims the news presenter paid for explicit photos of a teenage for a review into how non—edge complaints are handled, identified a number of failures and says there's a greater need for greater consistency when it comes to addressing concerns . the report addressing concerns. the report found the initial complaint about edwards was not logged on

the relevant case management system , so could not be seen by system, so could not be seen by senior figures . an 18th century senior figures. an 18th century pub that was destroyed in a fire in the west midlands is set to be rebuilt. the crooked house was demolished two days after the blaze last august, causing widespread outrage in the local area. an enforcement notice has been issued after against the owners for its unlawful demolition. local authorities say it will now be rebuilt back to its original state and underwater. experts, who supported the search for nicola bulley are joining the operation to find a toddler in leicester. a two year old xylo maruziva fell into the river soar nine days ago while out with his family. police say the search area is being widened, with teams checking various points along the river. the home secretary will call on the international community to take collective action on migration . collective action on migration. in a major speech in new york, james cleverly will urge countries to work together to address root causes and to smash the people smuggling gangs.

he'll also that doing the he'll also say that doing the right thing by migrants doesn't necessarily mean relocating them to the uk . and the prince of to the uk. and the prince of wales has been forced to pull out of an event due to a personal matter . queen camilla personal matter. queen camilla is leading the royal family attending a memorial service for the late king constantine of greece . prince william was due greece. prince william was due to deliver a reading at the service for the monarch, who was his godfather. kensington palace didn't elaborate, but confirmed the princess of wales, who is recovering from abdominal surgery, well. the king surgery, is doing well. the king is also missing the service as he continues treatment for cancer. he continues treatment for cancer . and for the latest cancer. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts . now it's back com slash alerts. now it's back to tom and . to tom and. emily >> it's 107 now. the home secretary, james cleverly, has joined calls for lee anderson to

apologise. that's after he suggested sadiq khan is controlled by islamist . controlled by islamist. >> it's despite senior conservatives facing mounting pressure to describe mr anderson's attacks on khan as , anderson's attacks on khan as, quote unquote, islamophobic . the quote unquote, islamophobic. the former tory deputy chair is refusing to take back his comments . comments. >> yes, and this all comes as the liberal democrats table a motion to call for the former tory deputy chair, lee anderson , tory deputy chair, lee anderson, to come to the house and apologise for his remark about the mayor of london. >> well, former liberal democrat minister norman bakerjoins us now . and, norman, this is a bit now. and, norman, this is a bit of a stunt liberal of a stunt by the liberal democrats, isn't it? an early day really have day motion doesn't really have any sort of effect in the house of commons. it's just just a bit of commons. it's just just a bit of a really . of a petition really. >> well, the motions don't have an effect. and, but an effect. and, uh, but nevertheless , tabled nevertheless, mps tabled hundreds thousands them hundreds and thousands of them every parliamentary session. >> can look it in >> so you can look at it in those terms. look i mean, what lee anderson was lee anderson said was, was wrong. uh, as in fact, the prime minister has used that word. >> khan. whatever you >> uh sadiq khan. whatever you think of his, think about him in terms of his, uh, morality is not in the in

the in the clutches of extremists or islamists. >> it's simply not true. i mean, sadiq khan who is not my party. of course , but i'm looking at of course, but i'm looking at transport issues as far as i can tell. so now, lee anderson has said that he didn't want to apologise, but he didn't. >> he stands by his remarks and in that sense, fair enough. >> i mean, if he if he now realised that he shouldn't have said things and i think he said those things and i think he ought to realise that, then he should apologise. >> genuinely holds the >> but if he genuinely holds the view that he was right, then he shouldn't that shouldn't apologise because that would yes would be insincere. mm. yes >> i agree with you on that one, norman. isn't it what we want politicians who stand by their words. uh, whatever the repercussions . repercussions. >> yes. and i think he genuinely thinks he's right. then then fair enough. i think he's totally wrong . but that's just totally wrong. but that's just my personal view . and what my personal view. and what i would say is that there's an unfortunate when people pour petrol on, on flames and, and the fact of the matter is we have appalled behaviour by hamas

in massacring israeli citizens . in massacring israeli citizens. but equally we've got appalling behaviour in my view, from benjamin netanyahu in the way that gaza has been treated subsequently and so i think we should be concentrating on on the extremists on either side and recognising that the vast majority of jewish people and the vast majority of muslim people want none of this behaviour . behaviour. >> um, just to roll back a second to where lee anderson's comments were based , he also, of comments were based, he also, of course, said that he thought that sir keir starmer was controlled by islamists . i think controlled by islamists. i think he's subsequently said that he regrets the phraseology he used , regrets the phraseology he used, but the point he was trying to get across was that labour politicians from the mayor of london to the leader of his majesty's loyal opposition, uh, are to face down some are too weak to face down some of the more extreme elements of these protests. um, is that an islamic islamophobic notion in of itself ? is that a notion of of itself? is that a notion of anti—muslim prejudice in and of itself ? itself? >> i don't think so, but i think it's absolutely nonsense. i

mean, keir starmer has demonstrated by his behaviour of anything that he's he's bending over backwards to not repeat the mistakes of jeremy corbyn. and i think many in the labour party and outside the labour party feel he should have been more , feel he should have been more, uh, forceful in terms of condemning the behaviour of the israeli defence forces in gaza. >> it's frustrating , though, >> it's frustrating, though, isn't it, because the issue of islamist extremism is a very real one. we know that from the m15's real one. we know that from the mi5's caseload, and we know that from our counter—terrorism programmes . and instead what the programmes. and instead what the pubuc programmes. and instead what the public are seeing is politicians rallying over what one mp said. we've also heard we've also got an ongoing row over what paul scully said. now about no go areas. that's been called islamophobic, too. and i think i would hazard a guess that most people in this country would much rather we talked about the threat of islamist extremism and what a future labour government might do about it, and what our current government will do about it. >> it. think that's helpful >> i don't think that's helpful to try and force people into boxes of other people's descriptions, is what i

descriptions, which is what i think is happening on both sides at the moment. uh, it's wrong to try and force lee anderson to a box, wrong to try and box, and it's wrong to try and force sadiq khan a box. it force sadiq khan into a box. it just simply hasn't worked. i think what most people want is peace middle two peace in the middle east, a two state solution where the israelis palestinians can israelis and palestinians can live in harmony. very difficult to to that point, but that's to get to that point, but that's what they want. think what they actually want. i think we concentrating on we should be concentrating on that rather trying pick up. >> what about the threat >> but what about the threat here? what people are here? that's what people are concerned about. the threat here of . of extremism. >> well, i mean, there's the threat from both the extreme left and the extreme right in this country. there always has been. yes, there are probably islamic extremists pose islamic extremists who pose a threat our way life. but threat to our way of life. but equally, there are people on the on far who pose a on the far right who pose a threat. the mi5 caseload threat. and the mi5 caseload will demonstrate that if you listen to speeches from the head of m15, listen to speeches from the head of mi5, you'll find out that the threat from the far right occupies them a great deal, a great deal, but nowhere near where near as portion of islamist terror threats. >> i mean, as a former home

office minister, are you concerned ? learned that concerned? learned that squabbles in the middle east and serious, serious fighting in the middle east is to some extent spilling over onto the streets of britain ? of britain? >> yes it is. i mean , it is >> yes it is. i mean, it is absolutely unnecessarily spilling over on both sides , uh, spilling over on both sides, uh, whereby jewish people are being subject to intimidation quite improperly and wrongly . uh, but improperly and wrongly. uh, but equally muslims are being subject to allegations which are completely unfounded. the vast majority of jewish people and muslim people are perfectly law abiding in this country, and we need to hang on to that. >> yes, but i think some of our politicians have a very hard time talking about the extremes and they want to close their eyes to it and pretend it's not happening. and it's much easier to talk about lee anderson and his comments and allow that to dominate twitter and dominate their twitter feed and dominate their twitter feed and dominate to dominate the airwaves than to actually about the issue. actually talk about the issue. so what's frustrating. norman >> yeah, people do want to sometimes behave in now we have others want to seem to me stoke

the fires by trying to label entire groups in a way that's inappropriate. i think we have to calm the temperature down. mm >> thank you very >> yes. well, thank you very much indeed. norman baker, always great to speak to you. former liberal democrat minister, course. minister, of course. >> before the we were >> well before the break we were looking james cleverly, looking ahead to james cleverly, the secretary. his speech the home secretary. his speech in new york, addressing in new york, this addressing global migration . it comes as global migration. it comes as the continuous bibby stockholm barge itself embroiled in barge finds itself embroiled in yet another dispute. >> yes. the portland mayor, carolyn parks, is bringing a judicial review against dorset council, challenging the local authority over having no planning authority to house asylum seekers on the bibby stockholm barge . it rumbles on. stockholm barge. it rumbles on. >> well, joining us now from the royal courts of justice is gb news reporter ray addison. and ray, what's the complaint here? what are the specifics ? what are the specifics? >> well, to be specific, carolyn parks is bringing this case in her private capacity despite being the mayor of portland in dorset, she essentially is saying that it's wrong that the

home office continues to avoid planning control over the stockholm barge by claiming that it's on crown land now. >> dorset council says that they do not have authority over this area of land in the harbour. she argues that they do, and that's basically why we're here at the high court to decide who has authority over that territory. this is going to be by the looks of it, a three day hearing. now, in her claim, miss parks is arguing that the bibby stockholm barge is engineless as it's permanently moored in portland harbour and therefore , she says harbour and therefore, she says it should be treated essentially like a pier and therefore should be subject to council planning law says if that fails , dorset law says if that fails, dorset council should actually consider planning enforcement over for the change of use of the access road that is used to gain access to the bibby stockholm and also the finger pier that connects to the finger pier that connects to the barge . and we've all seen

the barge. and we've all seen those images of asylum seekers being brought along that finger pier , and then up the gantry to pier, and then up the gantry to the bibby stockholm. now, miss parks is also arguing that the barge is a hugely expensive. she says it's dangerous as well , barge is a hugely expensive. she says it's dangerous as well, and she says that the experience of those who are accommodated on the bibby stockholm , um, has the bibby stockholm, um, has shown how disastrous this plan has always been . of course, we has always been. of course, we saw tragically in december , one saw tragically in december, one man took his own life , um, on man took his own life, um, on that barge. now parks is arguing that barge. now parks is arguing that if the barge is allowed to stay in portland harbour, more men will be will be suffering depression, isolation, overcrowding and deteriorating mental health. and essentially, she wants the barge to be closed for good and towed back out of portland harbour. >> well, thank you very much indeed , ray addison, for indeed, ray addison, for bringing us that outside the royal courts justice . royal courts of justice. >> um, a really interesting treating a boat as a building. not going to back down on this bibby stockholm are they? bibby stockholm barge, are they? >> out.

>> they want it out. >> they want it out. >> well, people just don't want migrants anywhere. whether it's our old disused raf bases, hotels , private rented hotels, private rented accommodation, . i mean, accommodation, barges. i mean, while they're here, they have to go somewhere, surely. well quite. >> but where now? prince william has unexpectedly pulled out of attending a memorial service for his godfather, the late king constantine of greece, due to a personal matter , the palace personal matter, the palace confirmed prince william has called the greek royal family to let them know unable to let them know he's unable to attend , but hasn't elaborated on attend, but hasn't elaborated on the matter. >> the princess of wales , who's >> the princess of wales, who's recovering from abdominal surgery , continues to be doing surgery, continues to be doing well. so say palace sources. well, queen camilla will lead the royal family at the memorial service. >> well, overall , correspondent >> well, overall, correspondent cameron joins us now. uh, cameron walker joins us now. uh, cameron walker joins us now. uh, cameron and prince william, very last minute announcement. yeah it absolutely was. >> and unexpected , bearing in >> and unexpected, bearing in mind king constantine of greece was prince william's godfather . was prince william's godfather. father prince william was also due to give a reading at the service at saint george's chapel in windsor. so his name

presumably would have been printed the order of service. printed on the order of service. and then we find out that prince william has pulled out last minute personal matter. minute due to a personal matter. now, as you can probably imagine, lots of alarm bells started ringing on various fronts, but we have been assured that princess wales is that the princess of wales is still recovering well from her abdominal surgery. of course, we're expected to see her we're not expected to see her until easter. king charles has been diagnosed with cancer, as we know. he was therefore not expected to attend this service. but i am also told that prince william's absence is nothing to do with king charles's health either . kensington palace are either. kensington palace are not going into any further details, although i do understand that william's understand that prince william's future engagement are unaffected by personal matter. it is by this personal matter. it is just a day that has been affected, but it does just does show that this slimmed down monarchy is incredibly slim because we've only got queen camilla as the british senior member of the royal family represents that family at this service, where we have royal

families across europe turn up to to windsor pay tribute to this memorial for king constantine. the second. so this slimmed down monarchy is incredibly slim today, as credited, incredibly slim indeed today. and it does show perhaps , today. and it does show perhaps, the fragility of that kind of royal family. >> a lot of people across the country will be deeply concerned about what this issue is with the prince of wales. it seems that to some extent , buckingham that to some extent, buckingham palace has been a lot more open about private matters than kensington palace has been. >> yeah, i think that's fair to say, tom. i mean, they've been incredibly open buckingham palace about the king's health with first the enlarged prostate and the cancer diagnosis. and then the cancer diagnosis. kensington palace really only confirms that the princess of wales hospital for wales was in hospital for abdominal surgery because, of course , they to, because it course, they had to, because it meant she's out meant that she's been out of action for already. and action for months already. and isn't expected to be seen until easter. kensington do easter. and kensington palace do have form for this, when have form for this, because when prince william covid in prince william had covid in 2020, they also kept pretty

silent. so it does show the differences between the two royal differences between the two roy.well, you much >> well, thank you very much indeed. cameron walker, our royal correspondent. of course , royal correspondent. of course, i it's something i think unless it's something major, we don't need to know your guess. >> yes. but then again , there's >> yes. but then again, there's a bit of me that does sort of want to know and wants to make sure that everything's fine. and it's not just nosiness, it's no, no, it's worry . it's worry for no, it's worry. it's worry for the state of the sort of constants continue city that constants and continue city that our royal family provide for us in britain. yes. >> that's very true. but coming up, another tory islamophobia row mp paul scully, has said areas in birmingham and london with large muslim communities are no go areas . does he have are no go areas. does he have a point? will her both sides of this rather controversial debate very shortly. you're watching good afternoon britain on .

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radio. >> good afternoon britain. >> good afternoon britain. >> it's 1:23. >> good afternoon britain. >> it's1:23. and do you feel that there are neighbourhoods in the uk which are no go areas ? the uk which are no go areas? >> well, that's what former government minister paul scully claimed in a media interview yesterday, referring to sparkhill in birmingham and tower hamlets in london as places people aren't safe. both have large muslim populations andifs have large muslim populations and it's put the tory party at the heart of yet another islamophobia row. >> mps within his own party, as well as the conservative mayor of the west midlands, andy street, have condemned scully's comments and to some extent he's later clarified them , saying he later clarified them, saying he meant that there's the impression of no go areas in these places. but what are no go areas? and frankly , do they areas? and frankly, do they exist in the united kingdom ? and exist in the united kingdom? and should we be talking about them? we're joined now by the sociologist doctor lisa mckenzie, who says the only no go areas in britain are gated communities. and director of communities. and the director of the common sense society, emma

webb who with paul webb, who agrees with paul scully's comments. well, emma, since agreeing with paul since you're agreeing with paul scully, let's hear your argument first. well, i think the first thing to say is, do jews count? >> because there are certainly places in this country where a jewish person who's visibly jewish, who might be wearing traditional jewish clothing, would not be safe go . would not be safe to go. >> i've never been to sparkhill in , but i know for in birmingham, but i know for sure there are certain sure that there are certain parts where wouldn't parts of london where i wouldn't feel safe, particularly feel safe, and particularly where safe if, where it wouldn't be safe if, um, if you like i say, if you were a jewish person to go. >> so, um, i think that paul scully is wrong in his condemnation of anderson's condemnation of lee anderson's comments, don't think comments, because i don't think that what lee anderson said was islamophobic either. >> i don't think it's right to condemn what scully said, condemn what paul scully said, because known this because we have known this for a very time, that we have very long time, that we have what has been referred to as plural monoculturalism societies that are not it's not really a multicultural society. it's just close communities that live side by side. >> and some of those and this has been an ongoing issue that

various people have pointed out, including baroness cox, over the course of many years, where women's particular are women's rights in particular are affected these affected in some of these communities , because sharia law communities, because sharia law is dominant . is so dominant. >> so, um, i think it would be disingenuous suggest that disingenuous to suggest that this isn't a problem. now, you may disagree , um, if think may disagree, um, if you think that what means is that you that what he means is that you simply into these simply cannot go into these areas, of course you can. um, but there may be places whether it's for community reasons than being a particularly strong , uh, being a particularly strong, uh, monoculture in a particular area or whether it's because of crime, because i know that there are for sure parts of london where i wouldn't feel safe going at night. >> and that's a problem we need to address. >> emma paul scully was very much talking about religious no go 90 areas. >> go areas. >> said, um, there are no go >> he said, um, there are no go areas, because of areas, mainly because of doctrine, because of doctrine, mainly because of people using abusing in many ways religion . um, and he ways their religion. um, and he he goes on and he says this is a concern that needs to be addressed. like he was addressed. seems like he was maybe going a bit around the houses with what he actually

meant there. but he's very much talking about what, uh, religious this religious elements causing this no but lisa, let's get no go area. but lisa, let's get your views. you've made the comment that it's actually gated communities that are the only no go back that up? go areas. can you back that up? yeah >> um, um, first of all, can i just say that i imagine being jewish in the country at the moment is particularly is very difficult . difficult. >> so i'm not taking that away from any jewish person and how they feel at the moment in the country. >> i'm not going to take that away. i imagine that it is very worrying. >> um, but regarding gated communities, the only places that never i used communities, the only places that neveri used live that i have never i used to live in tower hamlets. >> i lived there for seven years and the only places in and around london and actually where i live in nottingham, where i live now in nottingham, where i live now in nottingham, where i go , are those that have i cannot go, are those that have either got private security that roam around them , or they are roam around them, or they are gated community his everywhere else. you know, i am free to go. um, you know, whether does that mean that there are communities and there are areas in the country that do suffer from

crime and also, you know, when those people phone the police, that the police don't come ? that that the police don't come? that is also true. but if we're looking at no lisa in particular, as a woman myself, l, particular, as a woman myself, i, i do refuse to believe that there aren't areas in in london and other cities where you don't feel safe. >> you must be much stronger than me. >> no, no , i mean, look, as >> no, no, i mean, look, as a woman, it doesn't matter where you are in the country. >> you have to. let's be honest, as a woman, you have to be aware of what you're doing. being a woman in britain at the moment is you can feel very unsafe. and let's remember that, you know, as officer that sort of as a police officer that sort of battered , um, raped and murdered battered, um, raped and murdered , uh, a woman in the lockdown. um, so, you know, it does this doesn't refer to one community or another . doesn't refer to one community or another. being unsafe as a woman is a reality . so i'm not woman is a reality. so i'm not going to deny that at all. but that doesn't connect to, uh , i that doesn't connect to, uh, i suppose this argument around islamophobia. um, like i said , i islamophobia. um, like i said, i lived in tower hamlets for seven

years. um i didn't feel that it was a no go area for, you know, i heard the call for prayer every friday at the east london mosque and, and, you know, i didn't feel threatened by any of that. >> um, emma, what do you make of this that perhaps there are areas where certain communities or certain genders might feel less safe in the united kingdom, but linked directly to but it's not linked directly to areas with any particular religion ? religion? >> there are parts of the country where, um, particularly the islamic community there, there are a very or we should say they're very orthodox. um, where an uncovered woman walking through an area of women who are completely covered up would of course, feel not welcome . um, so course, feel not welcome. um, so i just think it's , you know, we i just think it's, you know, we need our politicians to be straightforward about this. it's not islamophobic to criticise islam , islamic doctrine, certain islam, islamic doctrine, certain islamic traditions, um, and all religions should be open to criticism in that way. in a free country , that is what it means country, that is what it means to live in a free country. and

what we see time and time again is the is the terms islamophobia use it to shut down legitimate criticism , um, anything criticism, um, of anything relating to islam. and in the case of lee anderson's criticisms of sadiq khan, islamophobia is being used to try to shut down debate over , try to shut down debate over, um, palestine. and i think the fact is that we know that sadiq khanisin fact is that we know that sadiq khan is in hock to these protesters because he agrees with them. he's been very , very with them. he's been very, very unequivocal in saying that he agrees with what the protest ers are asking for. so i think it's disingenuous to suggest that either paul scully or or lee anderson's comments are islamophobic. >> sukh lee's oh, sorry, that's not the debate here, though , is it? >> the debate here is about no go areas. and you know , if we go areas. and you know, if we are being completely honest , are being completely honest, there are only a few places in there are only a few places in the country that are no go areas . actually, there is a place in london, um, right outside city hall. it's owned by, uh, the qataris . and you walk, you walk

qataris. and you walk, you walk down that side of the thames with permission from the qataris. that can take that permission away from you at any point. and actually, they did take that permission away from me once for protesting, uh, at the shard. so there are definite no go areas , but they, you know, no go areas, but they, you know, in my experience, they are not unked in my experience, they are not linked to religion. >> lisa, what do you make of the argument that emma was putting forward, to some extent, that there are areas where, um, there's a very orthodox muslim community and everyone is dressing very conservatively , dressing very conservatively, and if you were to walk down there in a miniskirt, you might feel like you were being told to go away. you think that if go away. do you think that if there was sort of a rural, conservative christian community that was sort of forcing young women who dressed, um, less conservative out, that would be treated in the same way as a, as an orthodox muslim community that was doing that. >> i'm not sure that is >> but i'm not sure that is happening. like i said, i lived in bethnal green, so i have actually experienced it myself. >> i probably shouldn't say, but

ihave >> i probably shouldn't say, but i have been told to cover up by, um, a couple of muslim men in east london that is happening. >> and if that has happened, i'm not saying it happens all the time. >> i'm not saying it happens all the but i have experienced the time. but i have experienced it happened in britain. the time. but i have experienced it hthen,ed in britain. the time. but i have experienced it hthen, you1 britain. the time. but i have experienced it hthen, you know,in. the time. but i have experienced it hthen, you know, those people >> then, you know, those people need to mind their own business and their own lives and get on with their own lives because, know, that not because, you know, that is not who we are in britain. that's not we should be. and all not what we should be. and all i'm is that i think i'm saying is that i think sometimes we can sort of get too carried this idea that sometimes we can sort of get too cyou d this idea that sometimes we can sort of get too cyou know, this idea that sometimes we can sort of get too cyou know, there this idea that sometimes we can sort of get too cyou know, there are. idea that sometimes we can sort of get too cyou know, there are no ea that sometimes we can sort of get too cyou know, there are no go :hat , you know, there are no go areas, there are definite points in the country where different groups may feel unsafe in, including, um, homosexuals . including, um, homosexuals. there may be areas that, that, that could feel safe that isn't right . and we should be focusing right. and we should be focusing on that. but i think by saying that this is related to religion and they are absolute no go areas, that's not helping the conversation . ian. conversation. ian. >> well, thank you very much indeed for that fantastic debate . emma webb and lisa mckenzie, they're great to speak to you

both. >> emily, can i just say that was an incredibly brave of you to say. it shouldn't be a brave thing for you. >> i probably shouldn't have said it. so i don't want to, you know, cause any trouble. but more should speak up when they. >> when they face things like that. and you should be, um. >> well, thanks. >> well, thanks. >> for support. >> thanks for the support. it was long ago. it was a was a long time ago. it was a long time ago be fair. and, long time ago to be fair. and, uh. no, i was not wearing a mini skirt. >> no, it's probably just short sleeves, isn't it? um, well, um. moving on. in response to the conservative scully, conservative mp paul scully, tower hamlets council have said his surprising his comments were surprising and extremely adding his comments were surprising and extrone ly adding his comments were surprising and extrone of adding his comments were surprising and extrone of the adding his comments were surprising and extrone of the most adding his comments were surprising and extrone of the most populariing it's one of the most popular places country to live, places in the country to live, work visit and they are an work and visit and they are an example of all example of how people of all backgrounds together . backgrounds get on together. >> and martin daubney will >> yes, and martin daubney will be to tory mp scully, be speaking to tory mp scully, right after 3:00. so look forward to that. see what he has to say for himself. um, and coming up , the latest from coming up, the latest from westminster is sir starmer westminster is sir keir starmer faces a possible probe over claims he put pressure on speaker lindsay hoyle over the gaza in commons. gaza debate in the commons. >> yes, that's to come after your headlines.

>> thanks, tom. it's 133. your headlines. >> thanks, tom. it's133. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . your headlines, newsroom. your headlines, ministers are refusing to call a suspended tory mps comments. islamophobic the prime minister says lee anderson's comments were wrong because they conflated all muslims with islamist extremists. but rishi sunak doesn't believe he's a racist . the former deputy chair racist. the former deputy chair is refusing to apologise for criticising the london mayor, and maintains sadiq khan has lost control of to london a tiny minority of extremists . the minority of extremists. the conservative party is facing more backlash after mp paul scully claimed there are no go areas in birmingham and east london. the former minister made reference to areas with large muslim communities which he says he now regrets. west midlands mayor andy street responded by saying westminster needs to stop the nonsense slurs . the bbc has the nonsense slurs. the bbc has

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radio. >> well we've got lots of views coming in off the back of that debate we just had on no go areas. >> do they exist? are they a problem in this country? interesting andy's got in touch. he says emily and tom, i wonder if you might have ever considered . there some areas considered. there are some areas where would feel unsafe where a muslim would feel unsafe to walking. uh, is to be walking. uh, which is a very interesting point. and of course, may true , course, that may well be true, that if you go if a muslim went into a into an area in one of these countries, noticeably muslim, they may well receive, they may well not feel safe. >> it's interesting. it's almost the point that emma webb brought up plural monoculturalism, up about plural monoculturalism, not multicoloured ism, not sort of lots of different people living side by side in one big melting pot, but almost like a patchwork society . we've got one patchwork society. we've got one culture and then a dividing line, and then a different culture, and then a dividing line, and then a different culture. plural monoculture ism. and i think that's a lot more of a concerning way to run a

society than this big melting pot where everyone gets along together and there's some shared identity. yeah we have all of these siloed little ghettoised communities. then no one gets along. yes. >> and there are too many >> and there are far too many incidents muslim women in incidents of muslim women in particular, getting particular, ever getting targeted they're wearing targeted when they're wearing the they're covered, the hijab, when they're covered, being the streets being shouted at in the streets and sort of thing. um, and that sort of thing. um, particularly as well, since everything that's been going on in middle east. in the middle east. >> yes. well, anne has got in touch there's been no touch saying there's been no go areas and when i say areas for years. and when i say years i mean going back as far years, i mean going back as far as 1970s, they being as the 1970s, they being councils, governments, police, etc. always want to play it down. that's the problem that the agency's never dealt with it then certainly aren't then and they certainly aren't deaung then and they certainly aren't dealing now. dealing with it now. >> david says there may >> yes. and david says there may not sign up saying no go not be a sign up saying no go area. but people in london know where to go. and this is the where not to go. and this is the thing, sort mixing two thing, we're sort of mixing two things scully was things because paul scully was talking about religious no go areas, he protests by areas, and he cited protests by hizb ut—tahrir, and he cited muslim patrols, sort of vigilante groups in some areas of the country . and then there's

of the country. and then there's also just talking about areas where you don't quite feel safe, where you don't quite feel safe, where you don't quite feel safe, where you wouldn't walk at night, where as a young woman, night, where i as a young woman, wouldn't to, walk young wouldn't want to, uh, walk young ish women wouldn't to walk ish women wouldn't want to walk very very young. very young, very young. >> john. john agrees. he >> but no. john. john agrees. he says, have been. says, you will have been. you have be blind to see these no have to be blind to see these no go areas in birmingham, leicester and peterborough. why are so people afraid to say are so many people afraid to say what blatantly obvious? what is so blatantly obvious? >> your views coming >> well, keep your views coming in views news. com you in gb views or gb news. com you know email shall we move on? >> yes. the labour leader could face an investigation into claims that he broke house of commons by putting commons rules by putting pressure speaker whilst pressure on the speaker whilst under pressure before last week's vote on a ceasefire in gaza. >> yes. the leader of the commons, penny mordaunt, is said to believe that sir keir starmer's sir lindsay starmer's push for sir lindsay hoyle break with precedent hoyle to break with precedent was break privilege . the was a break with privilege. the labour hit back and labour leader has hit back and has categorically denied threatening the speaker, saying has categorically denied thrsimplyg the speaker, saying has categorically denied thrsimply urgedspeaker, saying has categorically denied thrsimply urged him (er, saying has categorically denied thrsimply urged him to. saying has categorically denied thrsimply urged him to ensurei he simply urged him to ensure that we have the broadest possible debate . right. that's possible debate. right. that's the is much the line he is very much sticking the line he is very much sticwell, let's cross to >> well, let's cross to westminster now and speak to our

political correspondent, katherine forster, because catherine, uh, penny mordaunt, the leader of the commons, is considering to put a motion before the house. we understand. and this could refer sir keir starmer to the same committee that boris johnson was referred . to >> yes, it could, and it could potentially be extremely serious for sir keir starmer. the privileges committee cross uh cross party, if it found that it he had breached privilege um then very serious sanctions including suspension if it got to that point, i have to say that i very much doubt that it will. and i think it's worth remembering that everything that happensin remembering that everything that happens in westminster this yean happens in westminster this year, we've got to see it all through the lens of a looming general election. um but let's just cast our minds back . general election. um but let's just cast our minds back. uh, not even a week when sir keir starmer looked like he was in a

huge amount of trouble over the vote on the situation in gaza, it looked like, uh, lots of his mps might have voted with the snp, might have defied him . it snp, might have defied him. it looked like the splits in the party would pour into the open. that would be very damaging indeed. now, of course, none of that happened because luckily for labour, um, the speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, decided to break with precedent and select labour's motion . even then, the labour's motion. even then, the government pulled their motion. labour's motion went through on the nod. it was the scene of utter and total chaos, and none of this was going to have any impact. bear in mind of what actually happened in gaza. so labour were dug out of a very, very big hole by the speaker. and subsequent to that, there has been a lot of accusations that sir keir starmer or somebody else in labour put undue pressure on sir keir starmer to allow that labour

amendment through. now it was reported in the sunday times at the weekend that in the minutes immediately put for the speaker, announced the amendments he'd chosen. uh labour figures came out of a meeting with lindsay hoyle looking very , very glum hoyle looking very, very glum indeed.then hoyle looking very, very glum indeed. then minutes later, sir keir starmer went into a private meeting . keir starmer went into a private meeting. him, keir starmer went into a private meeting . him, the chief labour meeting. him, the chief labour whip and lindsay hoyle moments after that, they came out looking very happy and sir lindsay hoyle announced that indeed they were going to have the labour amendment after all. so we may never know what actually went on in that room or tipped the balance. sir lindsay hoyle, of course , says his hoyle, of course, says his primary motivation was concern for the safety of mps. sir keir starmer denies that any threats or undue pressure was put upon him. but it worked. or undue pressure was put upon him. but it worked . certainly him. but it worked. certainly worked out very convenient for labour and it might be now. the snp are still very , very cross

snp are still very, very cross indeed. um, and the conservatives potentially spy an opportunity to make a whole world of trouble for the labour leader. but i'm not sure if they will go down that route. uh they've got enough problems of their own at the moment. possibly. >> well, catherine, it is fascinating because we've now seen senior labour mps admit that they were, in effect, playing games , was trying to playing games, was trying to delay the selection of this amendment by time with spurious points of order and the like. chris bryant admitted to such , chris bryant admitted to such, uh, such an instance live on television , actually, which was television, actually, which was quite remarkable . so it does quite remarkable. so it does seem that there were some games going on. but yes, it will be fascinating to see if this does get referred onwards. katherine forster, you for forster, thank you so much for the explanation, ryan. >> you much indeed. >> thank you very much indeed. now, up, reports the now, coming up, reports the ministry of defence will not have their funding increased in the upcoming despite the upcoming budget despite growing geopolitical tensions , growing geopolitical tensions, despite the threat of war around the world. you're watching good

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listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. >> it's 150 or watching listening to gb news radio. >> it's150 or watching and listening to good afternoon britain. now reports suggest that the ministry of defence is not set to get any extra funding in next wednesday's budget . in next wednesday's budget. >> yes, the treasury is likely to that stretched public to argue that stretched public finances limit spending finances will limit the spending in package unveiled next finances will limit the spending in byackage unveiled next finances will limit the spending in by the ge unveiled next finances will limit the spending in by the chancellori next finances will limit the spending in by the chancellor ,next finances will limit the spending in by the chancellor , despite week by the chancellor, despite stark warnings about the current state of our armed forces and growing geopolitical tensions. >> , slovakian prime >> meanwhile, slovakian prime minister robert fico has said eu and nato countries are considering sending soldiers to ukraine on a bilateral basis . ukraine on a bilateral basis. >> hmm. well, we can speak now with the former british army officer, hamish de bretton—gordon and hamish, let's start with this question. is it is it seriously being considered that that troops from nato countries could enter into . ukraine >> well, that's difficult to

say, but it certainly should do. >> um, absolutely . um, and you >> um, absolutely. um, and you know, the topic you're talking about here is uk defence spending. we are you know, we have never really since the end of the second world war, been closer to another war in europe than we are at the moment. um, and if russia prevails in ukraine, absolutely . um, europe ukraine, absolutely. um, europe will be at war with russia . we will be at war with russia. we need to prepare for that. so but actually, when one looks at pure sort of military strategic thinking, you know, we, we if we have to fight the russians, we want to fight them as far away as possible . and if the russians as possible. and if the russians can be stopped in ukraine, that will be the best place to do it. and if it requires nato troops, it requires nato troops. i think what you're seeing in europe today is they're looking at absolutely the worst case. and i think the other thing to say about this, you know , some of about this, you know, some of the leaders are saying, oh, absolutely not. we're never

going to go into ukraine. well if thinks that the freedom if putin thinks that the freedom of manoeuvre that that gives him is extraordinary. so i'm sure it is extraordinary. so i'm sure it is not top of people's agenda. and sure, it's not what we want to do, but yeah, we absolutely have to plan for it because because otherwise we could be fighting in in france and in the low countries and even this country. if putin is not stopped in his tracks . in his tracks. >> well, hamish, if it's true that they're considering sending troops over there to fight , then troops over there to fight, then what on earth are the government thinking in not increasing defence spending ? defence spending? >> well, absolutely . 33 years >> well, absolutely. 33 years ago today , may i, with a lot of ago today, may i, with a lot of other young men and women, were fighting in kuwait in tanks to repel the iraqis who had illegally invaded kuwait. now the army we had then is three times the size of the one we've got now. and you know, the thought of putting 200 tanks into the field in ukraine is way

beyond us. so i am pretty disappointed that none of the leading political parties, you know, and they're all thinking about their own re—elect or election later this year and not really looking at the elephant in the room, which is potential having to fight the russians in europe and at the moment, you know, if we can't afford a bit more money on that , you know, more money on that, you know, quite frankly, everything else that the money's been spent, spent will be spent on everything else. that's vexing us at the moment, from cost of living to climate change, could be if we're all be irrelevant if we're all fighting russians next year. fighting the russians next year. and key with putin, putin is and the key with putin, putin is a tyrannical bully and the only thing that he respects is strength. but, you know, if you look at the british military and you look at other militaries around europe , you know, you can around europe, you know, you can see, you know, they are not showing strength and a strong showing a strength and a strong and united front. so yeah, although nobody wants to spend any more money than they need to on defence, actually at the moment and the fact we paid lip

service to it since the end of the cold war, we need to regain and produce a military that is , and produce a military that is, you know, the right size and strength to protect this country because at the moment we could because at the moment we could be found wanting. >> i'm reading here that we're spending about $68 billion, uh, $68 billion a year on our military . it seems that this military. it seems that this isn't perhaps getting the best value for money in terms of what we're procuring . we're procuring. >> well , i we're procuring. >> well, i mean, that that that is a sort of different point, you know, what are the balance of forces that you need ? of forces that you need? certainly we've spent an awful lot of money on some very expensive aircraft carriers. we've spent an awful lot of money on some very sophisticated jets. one of the things that is showing us about ukraine, actually mass use has a quality of its own . and, uh, you know, of its own. and, uh, you know, in my background , i was a tank in my background, i was a tank commander for many years. actually, it is the tanks that, you know, 100 years after their

first use are still , you know, first use are still, you know, the key element on the battlefield . but but we have battlefield. but but we have sort of traded our i'm so sorry , sort of traded our i'm so sorry, but we've come to the end of the houn >> it's been great to speak to you though. hamish de bretton—gordon, former british army officer. sorry to cut him off but, uh, coming up, off there, but, uh, coming up, mps warn that mass protests in london police london have put other police priorities costing us priorities at risk, costing us over £25 million. so farjust priorities at risk, costing us over £25 million. so far just to police these protests . stay with police these protests. stay with . us. >> for a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. on. gb news. >> good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather update with me, annie from the met office. rain will continue to push southwards through the rest of the day, and that's because we do have a weather front sinking northern front sinking into northern areas parts of areas of england and parts of wales, the midlands by this wales, and the midlands by this afternoon that's going to be bringing that spell of cloudier and wetter weather behind it, though much drier though it will turn much drier and . but that drizzly

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gb news. >> good afternoon britain . it's >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:00 on tuesday. the 27th of february. >> the lee anderson row home home secretary james cleverly has urged him to apologise for his comments and the lib dems have waded in, calling for a formal parliamentary disapproval. anderson, meanwhile , has refused to rule out defecting to the reform party . defecting to the reform party. >> police, under pressure palestine marches are costing the taxpayer tens of millions of pounds and putting neighbourhood policing at risk. pounds and putting neighbourhood policing at risk . that's policing at risk. that's according to a group of mps who

want protest organisers to give a longer notice period . a longer notice period. >> and donald trump says prince harry betrayed queen elizabeth and treated her with disrespect . and treated her with disrespect. the former president says he wouldn't protect the duke of sussex if he regains the presidency. what does that mean . presidency. what does that mean. >> well, leander in this row is now in its fifth day and it seems that it's not quietening down. uh, it's interesting that the home secretary, speaking from new york, has asked him to apologise . apologise. >> yes, i guess they can't say no comment when asked , can they? no comment when asked, can they? and then they get drawn into this line of questioning and they don't want to say what he said was islamophobic. they don't. they don't want to say it was prejudice. i'm actually quite. was prejudice. i'm actually quhe.then was prejudice. i'm actually quite. then they get stuck in this, in this sort of vortex , this, in this sort of vortex, don't they? >> i'm pretty fed up with everyone using word

everyone using the word islamophobic, i think. i think i'm make a real, um , i'm going to make a real, um, conscious effort, conscious effort stop saying it myself effort to stop saying it myself because a nebulous because it's such a nebulous terme. does it mean? does terme. what does it mean? does it mean critical of the idea of islam, or does it mean being bigoted toward muslim people? because ultimate . if we want to because ultimate. if we want to talk about people and respect towards people, we should use the terms anti—muslim bigotry and islamophobia be and islamophobia could be attributed to ideas. we had this debate yesterday think debate yesterday, and i think it's really important perhaps it's really important to perhaps steer using the word steer away from using the word islamophobia here. >> lots of people have said >> yes, lots of people have said anti—muslim hatred would be a better terms because then it's not about criticism of a religion per se , but of religion per se, but of individuals. and it's perfectly okay to criticise a religion or a philosophy or a set of ideas. >> we should we should allow that. we should even encourage that. we should even encourage that in society. >> you're an atheist, aren't you? well >> well, we should also be critical of any religion, any religion, any ideology , any any religion, any ideology, any any belief system critical of veganism. you're allowed to be critical of free market

ideologues and communists. you're allowed to . these are all you're allowed to. these are all ideas. well critical of ideas is good. >> lee anderson was talking about islam phobia as a terme last night. actually on a patrick christys tonight when he did that sit down interview, he was getting, uh, going around around that a little bit. um, let us know what you make of it all. vaiews@gbnews.com. the lib dems getting involved as well, trying to get him censured. >> mhm. >> mhm. >> um, but let's get your with a with a motion that doesn't really mean anything but anyway it's your headlines with sofia . it's your headlines with sofia. >> thanks tom. >> thanks tom. >> good afternoon. it's 2:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . ministers are refusing newsroom. ministers are refusing to call a suspended a tory mps comments. islamophobic the prime minister has reiterated his views, saying lee anderson's remarks about the london mayor were wrong because they conflated all muslims with islamist extremist ism. but he doesn't believe he's a racist.

the former deputy chair is refusing to apologise and maintain sadiq khan has lost control of london to a tiny minority of extremists. mr anderson says he's simply trying to highlight what he believes is the mayor's failure to tackle pro—palestine protest posts and the conservative party is facing more backlash after mp paul scully claimed there are no go areas in birmingham and east london. the former minister made reference to areas with large muslim communities, which he says he now regrets. west midlands mayor andy street responded by saying westminster needs to stop the nonsense slurs . meanwhile, mps are warning protests are putting unsustained pressure on police resources . pressure on police resources. they're calling on the government to give more support as demonstrations continue over the israel—gaza war. a cross—party committee found that policing protests between the 7th of october and the 17th of december last year cost forces more than £25 million. former scotland yard detective peter bleksley says the marches are

having a massive impact on resources in the committee has said the organisers of these protests probably should be forced into giving more notice of them because literally they're telling the met within days that there's going to be 100,000 or more people on the streets of london. >> and of course, that's putting huge pressure on the police and their in other news, their resources in other news, there's been no breakthrough on negotiations for a gaza ceasefire. >> but qatar says it remains optimistic . it's after optimistic. it's after a proposal to swap israeli hostages for palestinian prisoners was sent to hamas . prisoners was sent to hamas. several days of multinational talks have been held in paris discussing the possibility of a temporary truce , but reports temporary truce, but reports suggest the deal would see all israeli women children under 19, an elderly and sick hostages released in exchange for a number of palestinian prisoners. the bbc has apologised to the family embroiled in the huw edwards scandal, over the way their complaint was handled. it follows, claims the news presenter paid for explicit photos of a teenager for a

review into how non—editorial complaints are handled, identified a number of failures and says there's a need for greater consistency when it comes to addressing concerns . comes to addressing concerns. the report found the initial complaint about edwards was not logged on the relevant case management system , so could not management system, so could not be seen by senior figures . an be seen by senior figures. an 18th century pub that was destroyed in a suspected arson attack in the west midlands is set to be rebuilt. the crooked house was demolished two days after the fire last august. an enforcement notice has now been issued against the owners for its unlawful demolition and local authorities are ordering it to be rebuilt back to its original state. underwater experts who supported the search for nicola bulley are joining the operation to find a toddler in leicester. two year old xylo maruziva fell into the river soar nine days ago while out with his family. police say the search area is being widened with teams checking various points along the river. the home

secretary will call on the international community to take collective action on migration . collective action on migration. in a major speech in new york, james cleverly will urge countries to work together to address root causes and to smash people smuggling gangs. he'll also say that doing the right thing by migrants doesn't necessarily mean relocating them to uk , and the prince of to the uk, and the prince of wales has been forced to pull out of an event due to a personal matter. queen camilla led the royal family and attended a memorial service for king constantine of greece . king constantine of greece. prince william was due to deliver reading at the service deliver a reading at the service for monarch, was his his for the monarch, who was his his godfather. kensington palace didn't elaborate , but confirmed didn't elaborate, but confirmed the princess of wales , who's the princess of wales, who's recovering from abdominal surgery , is doing well. the king surgery, is doing well. the king also missed the service as he continues treatment for cancer. and for the latest stories , sign and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. common alerts. now it's back to tom and .

it's back to tom and. emily >> well, the prime minister rishi sunak, regards lea anderson's comments as wrong because they conflate all muslims with islamist extremism. that's what downing street has said. >> but the prime minister's official spokesperson emphasised that rishi sunak does not believe that lee anderson himself is a racist. >> it okay, well, this comes as senior conservative has faced mounting pressures to describe mr anderson's remarks as islamophobic. mr anderson's remarks as islamophobic . labour has islamophobic. labour has labelled the tories reluctance to refer to islamophobia as as weak. >> but let's talk to our gb news political correspondent olivia utley, who joins us now live from westminster. and, olivia, this is a fascinating distinction between the labour party and the conservative party the labour party has adopted this very broad, broad ranging definition of islamophobe to. but the tories have not, and they prefer the terms anti—muslim bigotry .

anti—muslim bigotry. >> yes, tom, and i think that gets really to the crux of why this row over lee anderson has caught the attention and imagination of parliament to such an extent. essentially what it's done is expose a huge schism in the conservative party on the left of the conservative party, the more moderate wing of the party. they call themselves the party. they call themselves the one nation. as a group of mps who believe, in short, i mean, this is a broad brush strokes i'm going with here. but essentially believe that the threat of islamist extremist ism is overstated by some on the right of their party and that a serious concern in the uk at the moment is a surge of islamophobia. what they're worried about is heightening community tensions as a result of these pro—palestine protests and possibly some sort of islamophobic backlash . they're islamophobic backlash. they're worried, in short, about the writer . the rise of far right writer. the rise of far right terror in response to these pro—palestinian protests. on the other side of the party, the

opposite wing of the party, the right of the party, there are a group of mps who are very, very worried about the threat of islamist terror and they believe suella braverman is among their leaders that the islamophobia , leaders that the islamophobia, the calls are actually hysterical . that's the word that hysterical. that's the word that the former home secretary used this morning. those are two deeply opposing views. and what rishi sunak is trying to do at the moment is to tread a very thin tightrope between the two. he can't afford to lose either wing of his party. if you cast your minds back quickly to the rwanda vote, the last parliamentary tum , he had to try parliamentary tum, he had to try really, really hard to keep those two sides of the conservative party on side . conservative party on side. that's what he's trying to do here again. but that's left him in a bit of a corner. he has to say that he believes that lee anderson's comments were wrong to appease those on the left of his party, but he doesn't want to go as far as to say that they were islamophobic, because he doesn't want to annoy those on the right his party. he's the right of his party. he's come up with this phrase anti

anti muslim hatred. and as you say, this might be say, tom, this might well be a more appropriate phrase than islamophobia because obviously in a free country we have the right criticise religion . right to criticise any religion. anti—muslim hatred is something different and rishi sunak is going to try and stand by this line that what lee anderson said wasn't islamophobic, but it might have been anti—muslim and that's why he should apologise. the problem is that that's a pretty precarious position to be in, and the more that this row plays out, the more questions are asked of him and we can expect a lot more in pmqs tomorrow. the more difficult this very technical definition comes to maintain. and actually earlier , one of rishi sunaks earlier, one of rishi sunaks ministers, michael tomlinson , ministers, michael tomlinson, the immigration minister, was asked six times whether what lee anderson said was islamophobic and he couldn't come up with an answer. and to me, i think that's sort of foreshadowing of the possibly weeks the days and possibly weeks ahead row. there is ahead with this row. there is a serious in the serious division in the conservative party and rishi sunak walking a very thin sunak is walking a very thin tightrope between the two sides

of his party. >> it's interesting you say that i was going to ask. you've reported on many scandals that have been based comment have been based on comment s remarks made by politicians that others deem controversial, and have caused a lot of offence. do you think this particular one will continue to rumble and rumble and rumble on? what's your what's your feeling . your what's your feeling. >> i think it might well continue to rumble on, partly because of the sort of character of lee anderson . he was a hugely of lee anderson. he was a hugely popular mp in the conservative party. he was made vice chairman of the conservative party because he, it was believed that he was someone who was able to speak to the red wall, that huge constituent of the country who lent their votes to boris johnson in 2019. he's supposed to be a sort of voice for the ordinary people and indeed, there was a backlash in the red wall when he was stripped of the conservative whip. so lee anderson's character makes this a problem for the prime minister. but also, i think what this row represents is a problem

for the prime minister. that's what makes think this will what makes me think this will really on. has shone really rumble on. it has shone a light a quite serious light on a quite serious division within the conservative party over what the definition of islamophobia actually is . of islamophobia actually is. >> mm. >> mm. >> really important points there. olivia utley lee, thank you so much for bringing them to us live from westminster. and, emily, i've been reading this definition of islamophobia , the definition of islamophobia, the one that was put up by the appg one that was put up by the appg on on islamophobia, the one that the labour party has adopted. they said that they would bring to the country. and there's some really, isn't it? there's some really, isn't it? there's some really concerning stuff in here. it that accusing muslims as it says that accusing muslims as a group or muslim majority states of inventing or exaggerating islamophobia for ethnic cleansing or genocide perpetrated against muslims, accusing anyone of saying that that's an exaggeration would itself be islamophobic . which itself be islamophobic. which means that if you were to say , means that if you were to say, hang on, if, for example , the hang on, if, for example, the palestinian liberation organisation said that there's a genocide in gaza and you said ,

genocide in gaza and you said, hang on, there might not be, shall we try this out in a, in a, in a legal court case? well, one side would be by this definition automatically islamophobe . and there's another islamophobe. and there's another line in this in this definition which says that claims of muslims spreading islam by the sword or subjugating minority groups under their rule would be considered islamophobic. but anyone who knows their history knows that's precisely what muslim states did. they spread islam by the sword just as christian states spread christianity. >> by the way, is there something nebulous about muslimness or showing muslimness or something like this? it's very nebulous. it's a very vague i'm. i'm personally glad that the government didn't adopt this definition of islamophobia, but i do imagine the labour party will, if they get into government. >> it's just got huge , huge >> it's just got huge, huge holes in it. i don't see how i don't see how you could run a society and particularly conflicts like the arab—israeli conflict, where one side is automatically islamophobic if they disagree with what a muslim

majority state says . mhm, mhm. yeah. >> i think people should read that definition. it's actually and see if they agree with it. but um, shall we move on because protest organisers may have to give the police more notice of demonstrations. the home office has encouraged to require has been encouraged to require protest the protest groups to inform the authorities earlier, due to the frequency scale of frequency and scale of demonstrations the middle demonstrations over the middle east believe east conflict. now, i believe that they're supposed to give six days notice, but apparently that's enough because people that's not enough because people are to just are very much leaving it to just six days. >> well, home affairs >> well, a home affairs committee found that committee report found that these tactics of some these disruptive tactics of some groups are causing unsustainable pressure on police resources. >> yes, protests between october and december last year cost police forces across the country more than £25 million as well. >> the former met police officer, chris hobbs, joins us now and chris, uh, people will think that £25 million is a staggering sum of money. what what is this sort of money being spent on specifically ? spent on specifically? >> well, i mean, there's a huge question of police resources , question of police resources, liz. and a lot of it is, is over

time. >> um, for some big protests that we've had , you've had to that we've had, you've had to bnngin that we've had, you've had to bring in officers from other forces just to make sure that policing in london overall can continue . continue. >> so it is a huge drain on resources when you bring officers down from other forces, you don't just bring them down, you don't just bring them down, you also have to accommodate them. you can't expect them to drive overnight, say from the north—east and then expect them to perform duty for 12 hours. so all in all, the costs mount up over time. cancelled rest days and yeah, it's a big expense , and yeah, it's a big expense, but people will argue that's the price you pay for democracy and the freedom to protest . the freedom to protest. >> yeah, chris, because prison shaun bailey um , met police shaun bailey um, met police officers are used to policing demonstrations, but people from police officers from other areas of the country may not be as well trained for this type of policing . or is everyone know policing. or is everyone know how to do it ? how to do it? >> no, i, i do go out on these

protests not to protest , but protests not to protest, but just to observe because i prefer to see things for myself rather than rely on others. and certainly people from other force officers from other forces really do know their stuff. they're highly trained in public order. if there's a problem, they're capable as capable of deaung they're capable as capable of dealing with it as their metropolitan police colleagues. so i don't think we lose anything . in fact, in some anything. in fact, in some respects, we gain because some of these public orders serials, as we call them, groups of officers now are level ones . so officers now are level ones. so they are very highly trained to deal with almost any situation action. and they're also quite restrained . and in other words, restrained. and in other words, they're not aggressive . they they're not aggressive. they will get on reasonably well with the marchers from whichever side they come from. um providing those marchers obey the law . so those marchers obey the law. so it's , uh, it's necessary at the it's, uh, it's necessary at the moment if you're going to sustain a reasonable level of policing in london, having said that, at the last protest at, uh, which i witnessed , the

uh, which i witnessed, the general estimate for numbers was somewhere between 20 and 30,000, as opposed to the huge numbers that we saw early on. so perhaps they won't be needed so much in in the near future. i think there's another march coming up on, uh, march the ninth. so we'll see what the bosses decide to do there. but numbers have certainly decreased as you would expect, as the months have gone on. >> it is fascinating, though, to see so many of these marches leaving it, as emily says, to the last possible moment, to declare it. presumably that makes things more expensive. last minute hotel rooms are far more expensive than ones that can booked longer in advance. can be booked longer in advance. is there some extent some of these organisers of marches sort of deliberately causing as much obstruction and difficulty for the policing operation as they can? >> yeah . i can't hear you quite >> yeah. i can't hear you quite clearly , but i think i've got clearly, but i think i've got the general gist of it. um, by and large, the shorter the notice, the more expensive it is to police. um, because if

officers are cancelled, have their rest days cancelled at short notice, that costs a lot more money in wages. so the longer the notice , the better it longer the notice, the better it is for the police or for the met and other police forces. uh, to cope with it. having said that, you will run into a problem where, for example, you may have something very dramatic happens on the world stage where there's mass loss of life . it could be mass loss of life. it could be ukraine. it could be somewhere else. and people want to get out on the streets and protest. so if they have to give , say, ten if they have to give, say, ten days notice as opposed to six, um, you're going to have problems enforcing that because you could get tens of thousands out on the streets to protest against something diabolical that has just happened on the world stage. so it's possibly not always going to be easy to enforce. and then , of course, enforce. and then, of course, where you've got people, people talk about these talk about banning these demonstrations , don't they? um demonstrations, don't they? um for one reason or another. but if all of a sudden you get 30,000 people out on the streets , what are you going to do with

them? and with these palestinian protests as staggers me, the protests, as it staggers me, the number of babies in prams, toddlers in pushchairs , children toddlers in pushchairs, children who were on the protests and of course, if police forcibly then had to end the protest, which would inevitably lead to violence, what are people going to say if you've got children who are injured or sobbing and all the rest of it so very, very difficult all round for police and by and large, i think the mps are speed read the report. um, i think the mps seem fairly satisfied with the way the met have handled it. despite these allegations that we've heard of two tier policing . um, by and two tier policing. um, by and large, the mps seem. yeah, yeah. well they seem okay with it. >> that's an accusation that's often levelled at the met police when it comes to policing protests. but you say lots of mps , most mps are are happy mps, most mps are are happy enough with the way that they've been policed . thank you very been policed. thank you very much for your time. chris hobbs, former police officer. great former met police officer. great to experience and to get your experience and knowledge this one. i mean,

knowledge on this one. i mean, for is concerning that for me it is concerning that perhaps are being perhaps resources are being taken away from where they could be know , for more be used. you know, for more important perhaps. important matters perhaps. >> i mean, it's quite frankly shocking that if there's a part of the country that has a police force at a certain size that will be depleted, and just because there's a large march in london, well, what if what if the the country needs to the rest of the country needs to be that's big be policed? that's a big concern. yes. >> lots people would say, >> and lots of people would say, why earth did the police not why on earth did the police not do anything when, uh, chants were being projected onto big ben well? ben as well? >> up, the home >> coming up, the home secretary, cleverly, is in secretary, james cleverly, is in the states setting out the united states setting out his migration. his vision for global migration. but how will it impact us here in britain? you're watching. good afternoon britain here on .

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listening to gb news radio. >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:24 and the home secretary is leading an international push to address global migration. in a major speech today. >> yes, during a two day visit to new york, james cleverly will outline how tackling global migration can only be met with international action to reform migration policy worldwide . migration policy worldwide. >> and well, joining us now to discuss this is gb news home and security editor, mark white. and mark, i suppose one of the big issues that's holding back many national governments around the world from addressing international, uh, movement of people are all these old treaties that all of these countries signed up to in the wake of the second world war? >> i think you're right there. i think that's a big issue. and one that in his speech he will touch on, uh, there is discussion, uh, in internationally, of course, about just how fit for purpose these treaty seas are, many of which were drawn up, of course, in a completely different era where you're not looking at the

mass migration of individuals across the globe , with estimates across the globe, with estimates saying that more than a billion people in the next few years will likely be on the move for a range of issues, from the climate to the famine to wars to lack of opportunities in their own countries . and yet those own countries. and yet those treaties , as james cleverly will treaties, as james cleverly will argue , really need to be looked argue, really need to be looked at again and perhaps be redrawn to take, uh, um, you know, account of what we are now witnessing, he says. really that the international community needs to treat the migration crisis in the same way that the international community has been treating the likes of the climate crisis coming together very effectively . uh, on that very effectively. uh, on that particular issue , the same kind particular issue, the same kind of resolve is required, really, to make an effective difference as far as , uh, the, um, the as far as, uh, the, um, the

migration growing migration crisis is concerned, we're just heanng crisis is concerned, we're just hearing that, uh, james cleverly is stuck in traffic, so he's running a little bit late. >> um, for the event, i want to ask you about about something , ask you about about something, um, in france now, an imam made some inflammatory remarks recently in france about the flag, the french flag being satanic . i believe his words satanic. i believe his words were he arrested. he was arrested. and then 12 hours later was deported from the country back to his home country. now the french have been able to do that very quickly. is that because they've introduced strict , tougher laws introduced strict, tougher laws than we have in this country? how come the french are able to do that? but we struggle sometimes with, uh, deportations 7 ? >> well 7- >> well , 7- >> well, i ? >> well, i think the likelihood is that they probably have very similar laws to the uk in terms of criminal offences and their ability , of course, to deport , ability, of course, to deport, uh, foreign national offenders or anyone else it might be deemed odd not to be conducive

to the public good and potentially a threat to public safety . we have these laws, but safety. we have these laws, but we've seen in the past, of course, issues dragging on for years. i remember , uh, covering, years. i remember, uh, covering, uh, for more than a decade, the, uh, for more than a decade, the, uh, fight to get rid of the islamist extremism .abu uh, fight to get rid of the islamist extremism . abu qatada , islamist extremism. abu qatada, before he was eventually kicked out of the country , uh, and out of the country, uh, and returned to jordan. and we had the same issues . okay. this was the same issues. okay. this was a legal issue in terms of criminal, but abu hamza, another one that dragged on and on in the courts, and perhaps we're seeing a situation where politicians , uh, have the politicians, uh, have the resolve of, uh, in france that they've decided to take a more no nonsense , uh, approach. and no nonsense, uh, approach. and to be more forthright in their decisions to get those people out of the country . uh, will it out of the country. uh, will it happenin out of the country. uh, will it happen in the uk? will i don't

know , no. know, no. >> really interesting stuff there. mark white thank you very much for bringing it to us here on good afternoon britain. i appreciate your time. >> now, this all comes as portland mayor parks is portland mayor carolyn parks is bringing review bringing a judicial review against council, against dorset council, challenging authority challenging the local authority over planning over having no planning authority to house asylum seekers on the bibby stockholm barge . barge. >> well, joining us now from the royal courts of justice is gb news reporter addison. and news reporter ray addison. and ray, what is this appeal? all about and might it be successful 7 ? >> well, this 7 >> well, this is ? >> well, this is really carolyn parks last roll of the dice here at the crown court. uh previous attempt to bring a case against the home office was refused by the home office was refused by the judge in that case. and, in fact , he suggested that actually fact, he suggested that actually miss parks should bring the case against the local authority . against the local authority. now, of course, miss parks as well as being the mayor of portland , uh, in dorset, is also portland, uh, in dorset, is also a local councillor. she said she was extremely reluctant to make that decision, but i guess she

believes she had no other option . so this case is really going to be what's described as a rolled up hearing today. to be what's described as a rolled up hearing today . so rolled up hearing today. so firstly, the judge will have to decide, um, if miss parks can have permission to proceed to a full judicial review if permission is not granted , then permission is not granted, then it's over. everybody goes home. if the judge decides that the full judicial review is allowed, then we move into this. what is expected to be a three day heanng expected to be a three day hearing now , the key point of hearing now, the key point of contention is the extent of local authority power . miss local authority power. miss parks believes that dorset council does have the jurisdiction to enforce planning authority over the barge . dorset authority over the barge. dorset council says no, we don't . the council says no, we don't. the barge is on crown land and therefore the jurisdiction goes to the home office. now, in her claim, miss parks is arguing that the bibby stockholm is actually its engineless. she says it's permanently moored in portland harbour and therefore

it should be treated in the same manner that a local council might treat a pier. although it's obviously over water, it is a permanent fixture and therefore comes under their jurisdiction . action. now, if jurisdiction. action. now, if that, uh, argument fails , she's that, uh, argument fails, she's going to argue that dorset council has jurisdiction over the access road to the barge and also to what they're calling the finger pier, which is the route that we've seen those asylum seekers take when they've dropped off. they walk along the finger pier and then up the gantry into the barge. and she's saying, at least you should have jurisdiction and jurisdiction over that. and obviously you can put controls and measures in place now alongside these technical arguments, miss parks is also arguing very strongly that the barge is expensive . and she says barge is expensive. and she says it's dangerous. she's citing obviously the tragic suicide which took place in december , which took place in december, where one man on the barge took his own life. she says it's been

a disastrous plan and she argues that if men continue to be housed on that barge and of course, it houses up to around 500 or so men, many multiple people in in one room. and there's been many much concern over , um, their access with in over, um, their access with in that barge and the resources that barge and the resources that are available to them. she says that this will lead to potentially further disasters . potentially further disasters. she wants that barge to be moored back out rather towed back out to sea. >> thank you very much indeed . >> thank you very much indeed. and, ray, i hope that construction noise wasn't too painful for your you're painful for your ears. you're battling against there. but battling against it there. but we everything and we heard everything well and clear. very for clear. thank you very much for your time. >> now, james cleverly beat >> now, james cleverly has beat the started speaking the traffic and started speaking in new york. is where he is in new york. this is where he is talking at the carnegie council about what his ideas of reforming the global migration system. he's outlining a new migration vision during this visit, calling on the global community to take collective action on migration. at this speech, he's trying to lead an

international push to tackle issues around global migration. this is what the home office are saying . saying. >> not sure what i was imagining there, but that room isn't particularly impressive, is it? no it's like a cupboard. >> it's not sort of a grand big speech with lots of dignitaries there. but this is the carnegie council for ethics in international affairs and the home secretary's speech that he's hoping will start some sort of international movement . yes. of international movement. yes. >> and we'll bring you any highlights. will. highlights. of course we will. but up, has prince harry but coming up, has prince harry been comes as the been trumped? this comes as the former president says prince harry betrayed queen elizabeth and disrespect . and treated her with disrespect. hencote, that's after your headunes hencote, that's after your headlines severe . headlines with severe. >> thanks, emily. it's 233. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . ministers are refusing newsroom. ministers are refusing to call a suspended tory mps comments islamophobic. the prime minister says lee anderson's comments were wrong because they conflated all muslims with islamist extremism . but rishi

islamist extremism. but rishi sunak doesn't believe he's racist . the former deputy chair racist. the former deputy chair is refusing to apologise for criticising the london mayor, and maintains sadiq khan has lost control of london to a tiny minority of extremists . it's and minority of extremists. it's and the conservative party is facing more backlash after mp paul scully claimed there are no go areas in birmingham and east london. the former minister made reference to areas with large muslim communities, which he says he now regrets. west midlands mayor andy street responded by saying westminster needs to stop the nonsense slurs . the bbc has apologised to the family embroiled in the huw edwards scandal over the way their complaint was handled . it their complaint was handled. it follows, claims the news presenter paid for explicit photos of a teenage for a review into how non editorial complaints are handled , complaints are handled, identified a number of failures and says there's a need for greater consistency when it comes to addressing concerns . comes to addressing concerns. queen camilla has attended a memorial service for king

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listening to gb news radio . listening to gb news radio. >> good afternoon britain. >> good afternoon britain. >> 2:38, and you have all been getting in touch on islamophobia for this role. this definition five days now of conversation about the former deputy chairman of the conservative party, lee anderson, and his views. >> yes, indeed , sienna says, how >> yes, indeed, sienna says, how can it be that there is so much negativity instead of positive productive discussion around someone with a backbone saying what a heck of a lot of us think so? sienna certainly agrees with lee anderson and clive does too. >> he says it's neither islamophobic nor anti—muslim to express the perception that islamists have taken over our streets when ordinary people have distressed and have to fear distressed and alarm at visiting areas in our cities , then it's very real. and cities, then it's very real. and clive, i think i think you've got a fair point there about perceptions and about perhaps not standing certain not standing up to certain extreme groups, but the

extreme groups, but but the problem is, lee anderson didn't say that. he said that sadiq khan and keir starmer had been concerned , sold by islamists, concerned, sold by islamists, which which is even he admits is clumsy phrasing. perhaps it would help if he said sorry for the phrasing and expressed it how he meant to say it. >> originally, yes, probably , >> originally, yes, probably, probably, probably, linda says. well done. anderson for well done. lee anderson for sticking his and most of the sticking to his and most of the general views, in her general public's views, in her view, were mps view, wish there were more mps like straight talking, like him. straight talking, saying not saying what they believe in, not backing yes, this is the backing down. yes, this is the thing that whether you agree or disagree anderson, disagree with lee anderson, is it refreshing that he actually stuck to what said? didn't stuck to what he said? didn't say i'm sorry? or do we like to hear our politicians apologise for that? did he stick to what hear our politicians apologise for said,’ did he stick to what hear our politicians apologise for said, though, stick to what hear our politicians apologise for said, though, because what hear our politicians apologise for said, though, because het he said, though, because he didn't apologise, he refused to apologise, he did say i used apologise, but he did say i used sloppy language. >> i shouldn't have used that language that is true. using the word was obviously word controlled was obviously idiotic. i think would agree idiotic. i think he would agree with that. idiotic. i think he would agree witiand that. idiotic. i think he would agree witiand tcourse he said keir >> and of course he said keir starmer is also controlled by islamists. go . islamists. but there you go. >> let's get to another >> yeah, let's get to another one, robert said. khan has a

habit of addressing any criticism by immediately claiming racism or phobia or extremism, thus moving away from the issue raised. and robert, i think it's tricky because there's obviously been a displacement activity . we're displacement activity. we're talking about lee anderson when we were well, we should all be talking about the fact that parliament's rules were changed due a threat extremism. due to a threat of extremism. that's issue. but that's a far bigger issue. but again , to what extent is lee again, to what extent is lee anderson himself to blame for this? because he used such a stupid phrase in clumsily by getting across a point that might have some merit and a hell of a lot of people agree that what anderson they think what lee anderson or they think that lee anderson said was islamophobic. >> so khan's says that >> so sadiq khan's says that too. so there you go . but too. so there you go. but joining us now from westminster is gb political editor, is gb news political editor, christopher hope. uh, christopher hope. uh, christopher , thank you very much christopher, thank you very much indeed. you've heard some of the views coming into our inbox here. lots of saying lee here. lots of people saying lee anderson right stick. oh, anderson is right to stick. oh, we've call that lee we've had a phone call that lee anderson is right to stick to what he said and that he shouldn't, uh, cowed down to

pressure and sort of thing. pressure and that sort of thing. but does he actually stand but where does he actually stand when uh, what's all when it comes to, uh, what's all been going on? >> that's right, tom. that's right. well all on on, on right. well all eyes on on, on the house of commons today, there were votes in the house of commons. which way will the anderson course. he anderson vote? of course. he says to gb news vote says last night to gb news vote with the government. will he with the government. but will he try the floor? in try and cross the floor? in fact, we've heard from number 10 this about what this lunchtime time about what actually wrong, because actually he did wrong, because until now been problems until now there's been problems with ministers they can't until now there's been problems witrwhat ministers they can't until now there's been problems witrwhat lee nisters they can't until now there's been problems witrwhat lee anson they can't until now there's been problems witrwhat lee anson actuallyan't until now there's been problems witrwhat lee anson actually did say what lee anson actually did wrong when he made he made his remarks about controlled by islamists and of course that was denied sadiq khan. well, denied by sadiq khan. well, number 10 now say that the issue they have with this individual, they have with this individual, they than him, they say rather than naming him, was conflated all was that he he conflated all muslims with islamist extremist ism. so the idea of banishing all muslims as islamist, which i don't think lee anderson was doing, in fact, he said he wasn't doing in a statement to us yesterday. but that's what that's why he lost the whip originally. so so that may offer a way back for lee anderson,

because now they've said what the problem is. it's something which lee hanson can deal with. what you said what he won't do is you said there, tom very eloquently is he won't terms he will won't say sorry in terms he will regret clumsy language , but no regret clumsy language, but no more than that. and so this goes to this takes on a day six, uh, frame. we may see more news on him tomorrow. i do think, though , he is definitely weighing up whether he should go and join the reform uk party. from his remarks to patrick christys and me last night. >> no, that is a really significant issue because of course , uh, richard tice has course, uh, richard tice has been making overtures towards , been making overtures towards, uh, lee anderson. he hasn't ruled it out, but also we hear today that that richard tice has been saying that two unnamed conservative members of parliament have have tried to join reform. and he said , no, i join reform. and he said, no, i find it really hard to believe that. why why would richard tice say no to two potential defects? >> he's that desperate to you . >> he's that desperate to you. >> he's that desperate to you. >> i that is that's the today's

westminster parlour game is working out which mps would turn down, you know, roles with or sorry who would who would richard tice turn down to join their party? it's hard to think of anyone they wouldn't rather have than nobody, because it gives position, a chance gives them a position, a chance to debate issues in parliament and their banner. mean, and with their banner. i mean, that's do it. of course, that's why you do it. of course, the to leave to the last tory mp to leave to join a minor party was andrew bridgen, who joined reclaim. uh, briefly. that's the kind of free speech party. came. he's speech party. then he came. he's now falling now independent after falling out . so. that's out with them. so. so that's that. we're sure who that that. we're not sure who that is. it seems unusual that he is. and it seems unusual that he would but i'll try and would say that, but i'll try and find you both. find out for you both. >> that would be very >> yes. that would be very interesting. >> yes. that would be very intelasting. >> yes. that would be very inte i astin see >> yes. that would be very intelastinsee i can think of >> i can see i can think of a few richard tice turn down. i can think of a few names who were elected as conservative mps, now longer mps, but are now no longer conservative mps, and there are quite a few people who sit in on varying disgrace. yes actually. >> now i can think of a couple. >> now i can think of a couple. >> yeah, i would say, well, i don't, i don't know if it's, it's opportune to, to say that perhaps we shouldn't, perhaps we'll back you,

we'll have to come back to you, christopher after we've, christopher hope after we've, uh, checked with uh, after we've checked with some names some lawyers about which names we're talk about and we're allowed to talk about and which we're not. >> yes, it might be some disgraced mps that, uh, richard tice doesn't tice says he doesn't particularly fancy having on team. >> well, christopher thank >> well, christopher hope, thank you joining us. you very much for joining us. oh, yes well , i should oh, sorry. yes well, i should say if, um, lee anderson does swap sides back to reform uk, it would be a complete disaster for, for the pm. >> i mean, he is seen as, as someone once said, the red wall made flesh and where he defined that, it doesn't suit him or he's not got the right accent or the person for the tory the right person for the tory party would the party party it would set the party quite lot back a long way in quite a lot back a long way in terms winning back and terms of winning back and holding on to these red wall seats in the forthcoming election. >> thank you very much >> well, thank you very much indeed for your time, christopher. hope gb news christopher. hope our gb news political course. political editor. of course. >> coming up, rowling >> well, coming up, jk rowling criticised sky news for referring to a cat killer as a woman . this, of course, was woman. this, of course, was a transgender woman talking and, uh, jk social media. >> jk rowling took to social

media saying she's sick of men being labelled as females when they've committed a crime . so they've committed a crime. so we'll get to the root of this. i have some thoughts

get. >> you're listening to gb news radio . good afternoon radio. good afternoon britain. >> just coming up to 10 to 3 and donald trump has said that prince harry will be on his own if he returns to the president following what he believes to be unforgivable, disloyal to the queen? yes. >> the former president said that joe biden's administration had been too gracious to the duke of sussex since he moved to america with his wife, meghan markle, in 2020. well we're joined now by the former royal correspondent at correspondent at the sun charles rae and charles. >> this all relates to, i suppose, harry's immigration status. and a row over what he

did or did not declare on his immigration documents . yes, immigration documents. yes, absolutely . absolutely. >> uh, we know from a court case that was last friday because the, uh, conservative think tank wanted to make harry's application public. what did he say on that application? where you asked the question, have you ever taken drugs? did he answer yes. did he answer no? who knows? >> it was kept secret. now then, of course, the think tank said , of course, the think tank said, well, hang on a minute. he's written this book. spare. he's been on magic mushrooms, been on heroin, heroin. he's been on, uh, marijuana. >> heroin , heroin. >> heroin, heroin. >> heroin, heroin. >> charles a bit. >> charles a bit. >> apologies, apologies. wrong drug. he has . >> apologies, apologies. wrong drug. he has. sorry. apologies for that. yes uh, cocaine. uh and, uh, so the biden administration has have said, well, that's not actually proof that he's taking drugs . uh, the that he's taking drugs. uh, the they're suggesting that he may have said he was taking those

drugs to sensationalise his book, as if it wasn't sensationalised enough. um, but we have to remember that in this country, we know that he has taken drugs because there has been reports of it and admissions about it in this country . country. >> yes. so, charles, donald trump, he's never thought that much of a prince harry and meghan markle. well, ever since. uh megxit . what some people uh megxit. what some people coined it when they moved to california, moved to the states . california, moved to the states. um, so he's going to take a bit of a tough line. i mean, what does that actually mean? donald trump's not going to do anything. not going anything. he's not going to banish he? banish them, is he? >> no, don't think so. >> no, no, i don't think so. i mean, it's donald trump and his rhetoric again. and also let's not meghan the not forget meghan was the one who going to who said, i'm never going to live in america, uh, with a donald trump as president and what does she do? she goes to live america. there is a live in america. so there is a lot of, you know, animosity between think donald between the two. i think donald trump is playing to the crowds . trump is playing to the crowds. and i suspect that if he does

become president, that he's got a few more much more and more important things to sort out . important things to sort out. first of all, uh , than, you first of all, uh, than, you know, whether prince harry, harry is status should stay in america or where he should come back to the uk. i hope he doesn't come back to the uk, but that's that's just me because i think too much has happened under the under the bridge so far. he's done so much wrong. i want him to stay in america, america want wants their they can have him well charles rae former royal correspondent at the sun. >> thank you very much for your thoughts on on this issue. >> i always get told off for saying i'd love to see him back here. uh, but i do. you know thatis here. uh, but i do. you know that is my view. but anyway, to finish the show, jk rowling has sparked trans row as she sparked a new trans row as she criticised the media for failing to that a murderer is to make clear that a murderer is transgender rather than a woman. well, sky news is tweet read a woman who filmed herself killing a cat before putting the animal in a blender has been jailed for life for murdering a man. >> four months later.

>> four months later. >> so, as you can see, uh , sky >> so, as you can see, uh, sky news decided to call the perpetrator of a hideous murder a woman . and jk rowling has a woman. and jk rowling has said, i'm so sick of this beep. this is not a woman. these are not our crimes. now, she's clarified what she had to say. she said, crime statistic are rendered useless if violent and sexual attacks committed by men are recorded as female crimes. activists are already clamouring for the statistic killer to be incarcerated in a women's prison. now, she's not going to be incarcerated in a women's prison go man's prison. prison to go to a man's prison. >> this is about how a tweet wrote it. i think the article no, no, no, we see this no, no, no, no, no, we see this so— no, no, no, no, no, we see this so much. >> see this so much. the >> we see this so much. the guardian didn't mention that it was a transgender woman till the fifth something was a transgender woman till the fifththis. something was a transgender woman till the fifththis. um, something was a transgender woman till the fifththis. um, we'veymething like this. um, we've seen a guardian columnist actually write a public letter to the guardian complaining about this. we can't just go around pretending. >> yeah, but i don't think any of these articles did as you said. they did. >> the news has said they've done it. >> should have done it. sky news

doneit >> should have done it. sky news done it earlier. >> woman it's biological male. >> the sky news in early paragraph said it was a trans woman. so you see no woman. i mean, so you see no problem with that. >> you don't accuracy is important? >> i think they probably should have women the have said trans women in the headline, i see a big headline, but i see a big problem actually, with what jk rowling said when she said hashtag, our crimes. hashtag, not our crimes. we don't punishment don't have collective punishment in do you in this country. what do you mean not our crime? no, i'm sorry, but when it comes to violence, crimes, violent violence, these crimes, violent assault and murder. assault like this and murder. >> are types more, far >> these are types more, far more be male crimes. >> these are types more, far myou be male crimes. >> these are types more, far myou then be male crimes. >> these are types more, far myou then put)e male crimes. >> these are types more, far myou then put it male crimes. >> these are types more, far myou then put it down crimes. >> these are types more, far myou then put it down asmes. >> these are types more, far myou then put it down as aas. if you then put it down as a female crime. and i responsible for every crime that a man you're distorting. you're you're distorting. no, you're distorting if distorting the statistics. if you put that down as a female crime, you're crime, not our crimes. you're absolutely wrong on jk rowling is right on she's saying is right on this. she's saying that this is that essentially this is misinformation. it's ideologically sky ideologically driven. and sky news done the wrong thing news has done the wrong thing here calling perpetrator here by calling this perpetrator of female . of this crime female. >> we can we can do two things here. we can say that sky news were in their tweet , but were remiss in their tweet, but also but don't also remiss. but we don't have to lie the fact that this to lie about the fact that this will be recorded as a trans woman crime. this person is

going a male prison. i mean going to a male prison. i mean that what's happening here. >> no, i'm sorry, it's not information. >> i don't think it's not just one tweet. >> it's not just one tweet. anyway, that's it for today. happy families over here. we shall you tomorrow. it's shall see you tomorrow. it's martin up . next. martin daubney up. next. a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather update with me, annie, from the met office. rain will continue to push southwards through the rest of the day, and that's because do have a weather because we do have a weather front into northern front sinking into northern areas of england and parts of wales midlands. by this, wales and the midlands. by this, after going to be after noon, that's going to be bringing spell cloudier bringing that spell of cloudier and weather behind it, and wetter weather behind it, though it will turn much drier and but that drizzly and clearer. but that drizzly rain will sink into parts of the south—east southeast end the south—east southeast to end the day, it does turn clearer and dner day, it does turn clearer and drier behind that rain, but

we'll also see a risk of some mist and fog and low cloud developing by the early hours. that could is most likely across central southern areas of central and southern areas of england, parts of scotland, england, but parts of scotland, as as parts of southern as well as parts of southern wales, are likely see some of wales, are likely to see some of that mist and fog to develop as well. it will be a chilly well. so it will be a chilly start. frost be a little start. frost will be a little bit limited than this bit more limited than this morning, however, will be morning, however, there will be some thing across some sunshine first thing across eastern of england as well eastern areas of england as well as areas scotland, as eastern areas of scotland, but quickly across the but quite quickly across the west it will turn wetter and cloudier as as across cloudier, but as well as across northern areas . but the most northern areas. but the most persistent rain will into persistent rain will push into parts of wales and southwest england for many of us, though, it feel milder as it will start to feel milder as the day moves on. as we get a more southerly wind direction develop, band rain develop, another band of rain pushes through pushes south eastwards through thursday , bringing some thursday, bringing some wet weather central and weather to more central and southeastern behind it, southeastern areas behind it, though, it will turn more unsettled , so there's a risk of unsettled, so there's a risk of showers for the rest of the week for areas. but temperatures for most areas. but temperatures will dip down much closer will also dip down much closer or a little bit below average to end week . that warm feeling

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gb news. way. a very good afternoon to you. >> it's 3 pm. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting. as ever, live from the heart of westminster. all across the uk. today we've got the very latest on the ongoing john lee anderson row as the home secretary calls on the red bull rottweiler to apologise. but he told me earlier this read my lips i am not apologising . my lips i am not apologising. we've got plenty more coming from lee anderson too. next we'll get the inside track on the royal family as prince william pulls out of an engagement due to a personal matter . what engagement due to a personal matter. what could that be about 7 matter. what could that be about ? i also have news of the extraordinary cost of policing the pro—palestine protests. is