deputy chair of the tory former deputy chair of the tory party could be about to detect to the rival party. gb news understands they for met in person talks in derbyshire on sunday. the meeting happened a day after mr anderson lost the whip for refusing to apologise after saying islamists had control of the london mayor sadiq khan . well, also in the sadiq khan. well, also in the news today, mp paul scully has apologised for saying there are no go zones in birmingham and in east london. the former minister made reference to areas with large muslim communities, comments which he says he now regrets. mr scully admits he could have chosen his words more carefully . carefully. >> i used that time and i've used i spoken a lot about the need to use sensible language. i clearly didn't use the right language. there and why is that? because actually it's a distraction from the direct opposite. what i was trying to say, which is basically there are areas around every city in the country, frankly, that are which people are about

which people are worried about going whether it's often going to, whether it's often based or handful of based around gangs or handful of idiots , frankly, that are idiots, frankly, that are threatening or intimidating or whatever. like that . whatever. like that. >> mps are warning that protests are putting unsustainable pressure on police resources. they're calling on the government to give more support as demonstrations continue over the israel—gaza war. a cross—party committee found that policing protests between the 7th of october and the 17th of december last year cost police forces more than £25 million. now an 18th century pub that was destroyed in a suspected arson attack in the west midlands, must be rebuilt by order of the local council. britain's wonkiest pub, the crooked house, was quickly demolished just two days after the fire last august. an enforcement notice has now been issued against the owners for its unlawful demolition and south staffordshire council is ordering that it be rebuilt in its original state within three years. meanwhile, a police

investigation into the fire that burned it down in the first place continues, and anyone with any information is urged to come forward . now the prince of wales forward. now the prince of wales has pulled out of a royal event to honour his late godfather because of what's being described as a personal matter. instead, queen camilla led the royal family during a memorial service for king constantine of greece . prince william had been greece. prince william had been due to deliver a reading at the service . kensington palace service. kensington palace hasn't elaborated , but has also hasn't elaborated, but has also confirmed the princess of wales, who's recovering from abdominal surgery, is doing well . the king surgery, is doing well. the king also missed the service as he continues treatment for cancer. the and in some news that reached us this afternoon, the prince and princess of kent's son in law, thomas kingston, has died. the king and queen have sent their most heartfelt thoughts and prayers to lady gabriella kingston and mr kingston's family.

gabriella kingston and mr kingston's family . the 45 year kingston's family. the 45 year old was found dead at an address in gloucestershire on sunday evening. gb news understands the prince of wales is absence from today's memorial is not related today's memorial is not related to mr kingston's death . that's to mr kingston's death. that's the news for the very latest stories. do sign up for gb news alerts. scan the qr code that comes up on your screen now and again. it's not there right now, but it does come up or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now let's take you back to . farage. take you back to. farage. >> well good evening i'm still here in sunny florida. as you can probably see. and yes, after the show yesterday i did go to mar—a—lago to meet donald trump. what's mar—a—lago like? it's like a palace. it is the most extraordinary premises, the most beautiful place . materials were beautiful place. materials were imported from all over the world to build it. it was originally thought that it could be the winter white house for a us president. and in the end, of

course, that is what it turned out to be. it's an incredible place. and just to think that it that new york court valued it at $18 million, when probably it would sell in 24 hours for $500 million, or perhaps substantially more tells you a lot about what is going on here in america. the judicial system is being used against trump in the most extraordinary way that judgement last week said he'd borrowed money from banks to launch new projects, and he borrowed the money on the basis that he'd inflated the prices of his properties. and even though the banks got paid back, all of their money with interest, somehow , now somehow a somehow, now somehow a prosecutor gets in the middle of that and finds him $350 million. oh, by the way, they've now backdated that to the time when the so—called offence took place and increased the fine to $450 million. and that's all ahead of the next trial that starts on

the next trial that starts on the 25th of march. there is this endless process to try and put trump out of the game , to try trump out of the game, to try and put trump out of the race. and i have to say, i really do believe just look and think about that new york court judgement to realise just how corrupted and politicised the judicial system in america is. and yet, despite that , he is on and yet, despite that, he is on rare form . he gave ten major rare form. he gave ten major speeches last week and a trump speeches last week and a trump speech is at least an hour and a half, often two hours. he has the resilience, unlike anything i've seen in any other human being. he's optimistic, he's bullish. the polls are definitely going in his direction. he showed a huge amount of interest in uk politics, and we talked at length about rishi sunak boris johnson. obviously we talked about sir keir starmer and you'll learn more about that over the course of the next few weeks and tell you what is for certain, he's not a fan of prince harry. i wonder what will happenif prince harry. i wonder what will happen if he's president. i wonder whether there'll be someone having real look into someone having a real look into how got a us visa, given

how harry got a us visa, given that he's admitted repeatedly to taking illegal drugs . and yes, taking illegal drugs. and yes, i got given a new version of the trump hat signed by him. now let's get back to the united kingdom, where it seems anything conservative members of parliament say is taken to be divisive . i've taken to be divisive. i've taken to be islamophobe , nick. taken to be islamophobe, nick. taken to be bad. no longer do we talk about the intimidation of members of parliament. no longer do we talk about some of the appalling scenes we see on the streets of our city. no we're just focussed on what tory mps say. in this case, it's london mp conservative mp paul scully who had this to say on radio london yesterday . yesterday. >> you're right, if you were just about the, um, name would comment. if you're just looking at colour of skin , um, and you at colour of skin, um, and you know, for example, when, uh, a number of indians were coming in in the 70s and, you know, my father's half burmese. so i've seen, you know, i've seen it first hand. um, and if it's about the colour of skin, that's

one thing you do see what i'm trying to the point i'm trying to make is look at, um, to make is if you look at, um, parts of tower hamlets, for example, where, where people are, there go areas, are, there are no go areas, parts of birmingham, sparkhill, but are areas, but there are no go areas, mainly doctrine and mainly because of doctrine and mainly because of doctrine and mainly people. mainly because of people. um, sort uh, they're sort of using uh, they're abusing in many ways their religion to , uh, to, you know, religion to, uh, to, you know, because it's not the doctrine of islam to , to, to espouse some of islam to, to, to espouse some of these what some of these people are saying that i think is the concern that needs to be addressed . addressed. >> well, i know all about this subject because in 2015, i said there were cities in france, particularly parts of paris and marseille, that were effectively no go zones. what it is a no go zone. well, it's somewhere where the police themselves are afraid to go, somewhere you would not want to walk late at night, and perhaps when we come to cultural and religious issues somewhere where perhaps a couple of gay guys holding hands would receive a torrent of abuse or a woman out on a saturday night, perhaps

not wearing that many clothes would expect to receive some abuse. it's difficult to define exactly what a no go zone is . exactly what a no go zone is. and crime, gang violence and religion are all contributors. there are multiple reasons why there are very, very bad areas in our cities. in the case of tower hamlets, it is worth remembering that it is one of the top ten crime boroughs in the top ten crime boroughs in the whole of the country. so i don't think that what paul scully said was wholly unreasonable. but of course, the usual outcry how dare he say such a thing? and unlikely, anderson , of whom we'll hear anderson, of whom we'll hear a bit more in just a moment. unlike lee anderson, paul scully decided to come on gb news today to clarify why his position ? to clarify why his position? >> because you know what? what? i want to have those substantial discussions. and if there are people that are , um, you know, people that are, um, you know, triggered upset and offended triggered and upset and offended by it, and there are other people are agitating people that are agitating politically for political reasons of reasons and those kind of things, but the substantial

people are offended by it, people that are offended by it, let's rally back from that and get on to the substantive debate. what lee doing is debate. what lee is doing is perpetuating this populist approach because by calling sadiq khan , you know, selling sadiq khan, you know, selling london to his mates, i think there was a clear dog whistle there was a clear dog whistle there that actually just totally there's things i can there's loads of things i can throw sadiq khan. throw at sadiq khan. there's a big shopping list being having mates are islamist and mates that are islamist and selling or selling london to them, or giving them . giving london over to them. >> so there's paul scully retracting and now aiming his fire at lee anderson . the fire at lee anderson. the conservatives are literally tearing themselves to pieces on this. well, gb news adam cherry went to tower hamlets today, albeit during daytime . um, to albeit during daytime. um, to ask people whether they thought there were no go zones . there were no go zones. >> yesterday, conservative mp paul scully said there are certain areas of tower hamlets that are no go areas. do you agree with him ? agree with him? >> definitely agree that in some aspects of london it's a bit, you know, i mean rough. i will totally agree with it because that's like what? it's a bit

racist to require . honest racist to require. honest everywhere. you have little pockets , uh uh, rough areas in it. >> i don't know is any, uh, no go areas. i'm quite happy to walk around here. like any areas you've got to be careful where you've got to be careful where you go, i suppose, but that's the same in all areas of london. >> things should be said >> these things should be said if they're reality. we there if they're a reality. we there are of london that no are areas of london that are no go zones. go zones. >> go zones. >> i think he's wrong. how so? i think there's a great community here. i think that you can't judge by how much judge an area by how much opportunity given. opportunity people are given. and i think like, it just and i think that like, it just feels fear mongering feels like fear mongering from a politician who doesn't know the area. you area. um, depends what you define a no go area. tower define as a no go area. tower hamlets been somewhere i've hamlets has been somewhere i've go so i wouldn't call go every day. so i wouldn't call it no go area though quite safe. >> so today , uh, scully has >> so today, uh, scully has slightly rowed back on his words. what would you say to him if you could speak to him today? imagine he's standing right here. >> um. i'd like him to come down and, you know, we could go for a curry to face see how. >> as i say, the absolute >> well, as i say, the absolute definition of what is a no go zone is tricky. difficult, zone is tricky. it's difficult, but are certainly places

but there are certainly places i would want to go. certainly would not want to go. certainly after dark. and i wonder whether that's give that's how you feel, too. give me your thoughts on no go zones. do really in our do they really exist in our country? farage at gbnews.com well, i'm joined now by mark bracewell, former gang member and managing director of the children's mentoring company blinded faith. and i'm also joined by heather binning, founder rights founder of the women's rights network. mark bracewell . you network. mark bracewell. you were part of a gang. you were involved in drugs and violence from a very , very early age . um, from a very, very early age. um, from a very, very early age. um, from your experience and what you've been through, and i know you've been through, and i know you've lost the sight of one eye as a result of a knife attack. do you think that the drugs gangs, the battles we see between them , have they made between them, have they made parts of our cities no go zones ? parts of our cities no go zones? >> um, i wouldn't go as far as to say there's no go zones. um, because , like you say, there's because, like you say, there's people that do go into them areas. obviously people that are not from them, them sort of areas. obviously people that are not frtendiem, them sort of areas. obviously people that are not frtend to 1, them sort of areas. obviously people that are not frtend to have m sort of areas. obviously people that are not frtend to have a sort of areas. obviously people that are not frtend to have a lott of areas. obviously people that are not frtend to have a lot more areas tend to have a lot more fear. um, they feel a lot more

fear. um, they feel a lot more fear about going into them areas . but they are areas within our country that are not as safe as others. um, and, and yes, people like obviously who are in gangs and gang violence and things like that do make it a lot . and gang violence and things like that do make it a lot. um, not as safe as other areas . not as safe as other areas. >> i mean, mark, you've turned your life around and congratulations to you . you congratulations to you. you know, you've done that as a big achievement. but but in your view , is the gang situation in view, is the gang situation in our cities worse than it was when you were involved in this, or is it any better ? or is it any better? >> um, i think there's a lot more young youngsters getting involved in it, and, um, and yes, it's now the youngsters are involved in our scare, are scared for themselves . and scared for themselves. and that's why you have got a rise in knife crime and things like that. and obviously they're carrying knives to protect themselves. is what's themselves. and that is what's obviously tributing to the, obviously a tributing to the, um, the violent crimes within these areas . these areas. >> yeah. i mean , the argument

>> yeah. i mean, the argument i've been, i've heard myself from, from teenagers in the london area, the argument i've heard is they now carry knives for protection because they're worried that the bad guys have got knives . and this just got knives. and this just spirals and spirals and spirals. i mean , just i mean, a thought i mean, just i mean, a thought or two from you, do we need stop and search? do we need metal detectors? what can we do to reduce the number of people actually carrying knives and causing hideous harm, such as you've suffered ? you've suffered? >> um, i keep on saying it starts at home. it starts within the home. we need to be giving the home. we need to be giving the parents the skills to obviously teaching their children of the correct way that they need to be they that they need to be handung they that they need to be handling themselves when they are the streets and when are out on the streets and when they into contact they are coming into contact with have with other people. um, we have to the children to police the children ourselves. um, in inside the home before they go out on the streets. and yes, the police do have a big part to play and stop and search. does it is going to make a difference. it's just the way the stop and searches way that the stop and searches are done that have

are done that people have a problem with that causes the argument. >> no, i know heather from the women's rights network work. i mean , there are certainly aren't mean, there are certainly aren't there, there certainly must be for women, particularly if they're on their own. quite a lot of parts of our cities where, you know, late evening into the night, women would feel extremely uncomfortable . well we extremely uncomfortable. well we all make risk assessments every moment of the day . moment of the day. >> you said yourself, nigel, so there's some places that you might reconsider going to. this is a fundamental part of the everyday life of women making that risk assessment of where they go when they go, if they're on their own, are they out at night time? um, um, you know, who might be? you listen out. there's a checklist for women. you listen out for footsteps behind you. it doesn't matter where you are. you could be in bayswater. you could be in lewisham. you could be in birmingham anywhere. these things part of the things are a part of the everyday for women. and you everyday life for women. and you know, this is i feel it's

political point scoring to narrow it down and focus on a couple of areas that might have high crime for any number of reasons . the i am a woman is reasons. the i am a woman is killed in this country by a man every three days. sorry i lost you. >> i understand that violence, violence against women, i fully understand. but the other point i wanted to make is how women are dressed , how they appear in are dressed, how they appear in some parts of our cities is that becoming an issue? and i say that because as i went into molenbeek , a district of molenbeek, a district of brussels, not very far away from the city centre , and i went the city centre, and i went there with an assistant that worked for me at the time in the european parliament, hair colour, the same as colour, very much the same as yours. a minute of yours. and within a minute of getting out of the car, she was told she needed to cover up. are there cultural issues now becoming an and maybe in becoming an issue? and maybe in tower hamlets or sparkhill about the women, about the way that women are actually appear ? women are actually appear? >> i don't think there are

particularly, but you would have to say in that regard, the problem is the problem of the is a male problem. it's not how we look or we dress or, you know, we have a hijab on or a short skirt on. that's not the issue . skirt on. that's not the issue. the issue is it's is male violence. it's addressing the cause of it. there was a an example. there was an article in the times last week about the spiking of drinks and but nowhere in that article said this was a male crime. and unless we can address that as the problem, then we can't solve it. it brings this argument. it does bring me back to the days of the yorkshire ripper, when women are told not to put themselves in danger , and not themselves in danger, and not that the men weren't told, stop attacking women. it's the it's the women that we are told that we have to take care. i want to pick up on the birmingham um element. we've got groups all over the country and the, the birmingham group reports that in

this area, sparkhill , there are this area, sparkhill, there are some lovely family restaurants . some lovely family restaurants. there's um cafes and bars. it's a very nice area to be. they feel they don't feel threatened there at all. in fact, in some cases less because the restaurants aren't selling alcohol. they say this not the same issues on the street. one woman worked at a primary school there and said the kids were fantastic . there were no issues, fantastic. there were no issues, so , you know, i think there's so, you know, i think there's a problem in, um, putting, uh, wood on the fire of, of this, which is unrealistic . there's a which is unrealistic. there's a fundamental problem. men are violent , but women are the violent, but women are the victims predominantly. >> okay, not all men. let's be very, very clear. not all men. heather. thank you. >> i did say predominantly, nigel. i don't i know, i know, i know, i know, i know. >> thank you, thank you, thank you. well that's a debate. we're going to hear a lot more of. i suspect, over the course of the coming years. now, the lee anderson row does not go away .

anderson row does not go away. it looks to me like rishi sunak has doubled down in what he said about lee anderson. and now even james cleverly, the home secretary, coming out to demand that he apologise. but i'm joined news political joined by gb news political editor in westminster, chris hope. there's not much sign from what i can in particularly what i can see in particularly with the big interview with patrick last night , not patrick christys last night, not much sign that lee's going to back down, is there? no there's not nigel. >> and indeed, remarks by >> and indeed, those remarks by james are difficult for james cleverly are difficult for lee anderson. he's trying to find, way out of find, i think, a way out of this. but lee james cleverly saying anderson must saying that lee anderson must apologise. i won't apologise. he's saying i won't apologise. he's saying i won't apologise. feel i have apologise. i don't feel i have to. words were clumsy when he to. my words were clumsy when he said that sadiq khan was controlled or his office was controlled, controlled way controlled, controlled some way by denied, by islamists. that was denied, of sadiq khan, who of course, by sadiq khan, who attacked but we're attacked the language. but we're revealing tonight, of revealing on gb news tonight, of course, that lee anderson course, nigel, that lee anderson has met with richard tice, the reform uk leader in a hotel off the m1 on sunday for talks for about 20 minutes. that was the day after he lost the whip. so it may be that that lee anderson

finally is going to come across to reform uk imminently. what have heard, nigel? have you heard, nigel? >> no idea . i have you heard, nigel? >> no idea. i don't have you heard, nigel? >> no idea . i don't know what's >> no idea. i don't know what's happening, chris. i'm the honorary president. i'm letting richard tice getting on with running the thing. and for what i see, he's doing quite a i can see, he's doing quite a good job of it, so i have no idea what's going to idea myself what's going to happen regard. but is happen in that regard. but is the conservative party looking at anderson row to a at the lee anderson row to a slightly lesser degree, the paul scully row and seeing tory mps and peers lining up to condemn anderson, others lining up to say, for goodness sake , say, for goodness sake, reinstate the whip. they do appear as a party to be literally tearing themselves to pieces over this. >> that's right. i think the interview that i was able to carry out with patrick christys last night with, with lee anderson, he was very clear and he got lots of support from other tory mps from members sending messages saying that they understood he meant, they understood what he meant, even them in even though he used them in quite language . he drew quite clumsy language. he drew attention fact, didn't attention to the fact, didn't he, cameron had used he, that david cameron had used pretty harsh language about

sadiq khan 2016, as did zac goldsmith . he said that, you goldsmith. he said that, you know, perhaps i, i don't express my what i feel in the same way and i'm being. he suggested that maybe class in the maybe a class issue in the party, unfairly party, he's been unfairly treated by the party, but he does feel , i think, and if he does feel, i think, and if he went across to reform uk and that could happen at another tory mp told me today, that was a 5050 of happening . um, a 5050 chance of happening. um, that real moment, i that would be a real moment, i think, the tories, because think, for the tories, because he the poster, poster boy, he is the poster, poster boy, the boy for red wall, the pin up boy for the red wall, for the tory party. if he went across others follow him. it for the tory party. if he went acrossignalrs follow him. it for the tory party. if he went acrossignal,1 follow him. it for the tory party. if he went acrossignal , i follow him. it for the tory party. if he went acrossignal , i think, llow him. it for the tory party. if he went acrossignal , i think, that him. it for the tory party. if he went acrossignal , i think, that the. it may signal, i think, that the breaking with that relationship between wall, as it was in between red wall, as it was in 19 and now . 19 and now. >> well, there's no doubt that lee anderson has become a significant figure in british pubuc significant figure in british public life. christopher hope, thank you very much indeed for joining me . well, david neil was joining me. well, david neil was the senior civil servant in this country in charge of dealing with immigration policy, illegal immigration policy. with immigration policy, illegal immigration policy . and he's immigration policy. and he's appeared this afternoon before a parliamentary committee and basically said, i've been sacked

by the home secretary. cleverly for simply doing my job. gb news is mark white joins me in

all. well, those problems i talked about for the conservative party mount further as we learn that scott benton, the conservative member of parliament for blackpool south, has been suspended by the house of commons for 35 days for some very injudicious comments he made to an undercover reporter. and that means if they want to , and that means if they want to, the electors of blackpool south can trigger yet another recall election. now moving on. let's get some of your thoughts on these no go zones. yes, there are no go zones in london and other areas. gloria says my son joined the met in the early 2020s and there were no go zones then christine says yes , there then christine says yes, there are no go areas. bradford in

west yorkshire is one of them. david says there were no go streets in oldham in the late 70s. even the police would not go down. those streets on their own. and another viewer says nearly every street in london becomes a no go zone at night. well, can assure you well, actually, i can assure you probably argue many probably we could argue in many market country , market towns around the country, effectively just after closing time on friday and saturday. time on a friday and saturday. it's not too far away from being a no go zone . and that's the a no go zone. and that's the trouble with that whole debate around no go zones. there are a whole raft of different issues that could make it a reality , that could make it a reality, but i think to deny it would be rather stupid. now. david neil, we heard a lot from him over the course of the last couple of weeks. he had the job to control illegal immigration. he's argued he was prevented from doing it. he appeared before the home affairs committee this afternoon. this one most afternoon. this is one the most important things that he to important things that he had to say . say. >> he sacked for doing my job. i think i've been sacked for doing what the law asks of me. um, and

i breached a fallen down over , i breached a fallen down over, um, a clause in my employment contract, which i think is a is a is a crying shanks. like i've done my job extremely well . i've done my job extremely well. i've been candid with this committee . been candid with this committee. we've produced, um , multiple we've produced, um, multiple reports that have, um, exposed the, um , sometimes lack of the, um, sometimes lack of effectiveness and the lack of efficiency. well there we are. >> he couldn't really have been clearer, could he? were following every minute detail of what happened today was gb news home affairs and security editor mark white. mark, tell all what happened this afternoon and how much of a problem is david neil's testimony for james cleverly , the home secretary ? cleverly, the home secretary? >> well, it's certainly awkward and embarrassing, i think, for the home secretary and indeed senior officials at the home office , david neil, saying that office, david neil, saying that there is a serious deficiency in there is a serious deficiency in

the management at the home office, the most senior levels. he said that the reason he had gone to the press was out of frustration at the fact that he had some 15 reports that he had sent over to the home office since april of last year. that he was still awaiting the publication of and in growing frustration , he spoke to the frustration, he spoke to the press, spoke to the mail, gave them a story, of course, about these flights going into a number of airports in the country , including city airport country, including city airport in london, where there wasn't adequate checks that were taking place by border force on some of these flights from small private jets that were described as high risk. now, he said in that article in the mail that there was real concern, of course, that organised criminals contraband and, uh, illegal immigrants , anything could be immigrants, anything could be coming in on these private jets. now, that was the story. i think

that really did it for the home office . forjames cleverly. they office. forjames cleverly. they decide then to end his tenure as the independent inspector for immigration and borders. and and immediately, uh, sacked him. now, he said that his sacking nigel was done over uh, teams , nigel was done over uh, teams, that they didn't even meet him in person on that he had no time to even tell his team of 30 members of staff that they learned about it in the media. and he says as well, that he has seen evidence that the home office had wanted actually him to have another three years in office. he was due to end his tenure as the, uh, chief inspector of borders and immigration in march. uh, the home office had wanted, he says , home office had wanted, he says, uh, to extend that for another

three years. but he said that was blocked by downing street. so he's a very angry man. he is demanding that these, uh, 15 other reports are published, uh, as soon as possible as are labour and other opposition parties. the home office have said tonight they are committed to publishing these reports . said tonight they are committed to publishing these reports. uh, they will, uh, do that in a timely manner. and they've also begun the process to get a replacement, uh, for david neil. but the difficulty with that is it's going to take months to get a new replacement for david neil. there are several reports that he was in the middle of trying to finish that will not now, uh, be sent to the home office. reports that that in all likelihood may well have been critical of the way in which some of the borders and immigration services were being run . run. >> yeah. mark what interests me is i'd have thought in some ways a government that wanted to be tough on illegal immigration

often would embrace much of what neil had said. and yet do i detect from james cleverly a completely different tone when he's now saying he wants developing western countries to get together and collectively sold , solve the problem of mass sold, solve the problem of mass migration , as opposed to what we migration, as opposed to what we heard before , which was stop the heard before, which was stop the boats and send them back . boats and send them back. >> yes, indeed , he's asking for >> yes, indeed, he's asking for that. international collaborate on this was a speech. he was giving in new york this afternoon , uh, where he said afternoon, uh, where he said that the, the, um, the immigration crisis, a global problem should be treated in the same way as climate change is treated by international, um, countries. right around the globe. uh, to try to get together, to do all that they can not just to, uh, clearly stop illegal immigration, but to look at ways of ending mass migration by creating more opportunity . his, uh, back home

opportunity. his, uh, back home in the countries that these people come from. um, so, yeah , people come from. um, so, yeah, you're right, in a way, it, uh, it seems to be a step back from the hard line. stop the boats rhetoric just i mean, they still have that, but, uh, coupled with thatis have that, but, uh, coupled with that is this desire. it seems to get a global coalition together to try to do more for, uh, to address the very big problems of mass migration that we're facing in the years ahead with estimates of well over a billion people on the move, because of various issues . various issues. >> mark white, thank you. as even >> mark white, thank you. as ever, very much indeed. in a moment, we'll look at the costs of policing the pro—palestine demonstrators and what that's doing to the police's ability to deal with other and often very serious crimes

well, the right to protest is something that we do treasure in a democratic society. but if it's the same protest week after week after week, you begin to ask about what the cost of that is. now we're told that the met has incurred costs of about £25 million in going to one after another pro palestinian demonstrations and home office report makes it clear that the amount of days that have been lost to policing these events mean that this police force and others around the country are less able to deal with serious crime. but it's not exactly an easy one to answer. rory geoghegan, former special adviser to the prime minister on justice and home affairs, joins me now. this is rory, not a straightforward issue, is it, to balance this, the right to protest against what the police force need to be doing for everyday policing of our society ? >> 7- >> yeah. 7_ >> yeah. that's 7 >> yeah. that's right. i mean, there are there are, i think,

some important questions perhaps , that have arisen out of the recent months. think recent months. so i think firstly, there's probably pretty much fairly widespread much a fairly widespread dissatisfaction with the nature of the police response to the protests , particularly the crime protests, particularly the crime and disorder that we've seen . and disorder that we've seen. there's fact that by there's also the fact that by not getting a proper not actually getting a proper grip early on, we've grip of that early on, we've allowed marches to allowed these marches to continue to that. numbers continue to that. the numbers involved huge . and obviously involved are huge. and obviously this comes at a point where we've just about got back to something resembling level we've just about got back to so police g resembling level we've just about got back to so police officernbling level we've just about got back to so police officer numbers, level we've just about got back to so police officer numbers, asvel of police officer numbers, as was present in 2010. so there's that element . then there's also that element. then there's also the fact that actually our police officers, the public order officers that we rely upon in of situations, in these sort of situations, they obviously aren't just sat around, you know, when there isn't protest, not isn't a protest, they're not just sat around doing nothing. they're officers are in they're officers who are in neighbourhoods, they're officers working on response teams, they're sort they're officers working on sort of, know, squads of, you know, crime squads and the and to take them the like. and so to take them away from, you know, their day to bread and butter, crime to day bread and butter, crime fighting these fighting to have to police these events and protests and to be doing so sort of relatively

ineffectually in terms of the crime and disorder , i think, crime and disorder, i think, begs real questions about actually the tactics and the kit available you available for officers. you know, need at know, you only need to look at whether france the us or whether it's france or the us or canada see actually quite canada to see actually quite different a much more different tactics in a much more robust to sort of crime robust response to sort of crime and disorder within these protests . protests. >> we're sticking with the london theme . you know, sir mark london theme. you know, sir mark rowley, of course, is, you know, the boss of the met, but the ultimate police man in charge of policing in london is, of course, the mayor, sadiq khan. i think fact that often think that's a fact that often gets forgotten by people. what does , say about does khan had to say, say about the policing of the protests and the policing of the protests and the amount of police time it takes up and the £25 million cost? >> well, of course, not much in reality , we're, what, nearly reality, we're, what, nearly 3000 days into the khan sort of premiership over london. and unfortunately, i think all we've seen often is carnage rather than anything else. and this is just the latest example. i mean, you know, he's he's busy pumping out videos about sort of diversity and how you know, london is amazing and it's welcome for everyone and all of

those things. of course, those things. but of course, silent actually the real silent on on actually the real issue that affects, know, so issue that affects, you know, so many people, particularly the jewish others jewish community, but others too, obviously upset too, who are obviously upset about that not only are about the fact that not only are they so of this hate they seeing so much of this hate on street, but of course, on their street, but of course, they're also having their local policing diminished. policing presence diminished. you hear about you know, when we hear about sort the amount of officers sort of the amount of officers involved in protests , we involved in these protests, we really do need to recognise that these officers aren't sort of magicked up of a box. magicked up out of a box. they're sort of hiding in they're not sort of hiding in a cupboard they're wheeled cupboard and they're wheeled out when these when there's a protest. these are have day jobs. are officers who have day jobs. these are officers who have case files waiting, criminal investigations on investigations to be getting on with go answered with 999 calls to go answered and so does heavy and so it does exact a heavy toll. and think there's also a toll. and i think there's also a reality if protests reality here. if these protests were indeed as peaceful as some would claim sort of, you would claim and as sort of, you know, sort of, you know, know, utterly sort of, you know, benevolent claim , benevolent as some would claim, why would there be such a need for police activity for the scale of police activity around as is present, and around them as is present, and is evident almost every is evident on almost every weekend ? weekend? >> rory , thank you very much >> rory, thank you very much indeed for joining >> rory, thank you very much indeed forjoining us. and we indeed for joining us. and we will this program on gb news.

we're going to write to mayor khan and put some of these questions directly to his office. thank you very office. rory, thank you very much indeed. now, on that question and policing question of cost and policing and gb is and demonstrations, gb news is christina curtis earlier on today asked the palestinian ambassador, zomlot , about ambassador, husam zomlot, about the issue . the issue. >> i think many of those who are using the financial argument in my opinion, are using it because they have not found sufficient pretexts to stop the demonstrations and now they are pulling that card, that rabbit out, that rabbit, a few million, few million , few million pounds , few million, few million pounds, uh, to make sure that the entire people of the uk are heard . uh, people of the uk are heard. uh, might not the big issue here, the big issue is to make sure that people are heard and people continue to have the to space demonstrate peacefully within the rule of law that is granted to them in the uk. >> well, there's the answer , i >> well, there's the answer, i guess, that you would have expected in a moment. the

government is proposing a new gambling act. will this be a good thing to tackle the problem? the very real problem of gamblers who wreck their lives ? or is this something that lives? or is this something that is massively over the top will drive gambling underground and threaten potentially in the racing industry and gambling industry, tens of thousands of jobs as

well, once again, a conservative government is preparing to bring in legislation described by some of its own backbenchers as completely . outrageous because completely. outrageous because it sees the state interfering more in people's lives. but gambling is a real problem. i certainly in my years working in the city london, saw many the city of london, saw many people's absolutely, people's lives absolutely, literally wrecked and destroyed through it. but does legislation which puts the onus on bookmakers to monitor how much their clients lose and if they lose more than £1.37 a day,

namely £500 a year, that somehow checks have to be done and these checks, these financial background checks would be, frankly , i think, too expensive frankly, i think, too expensive for the bookmaker to continue taking bets from that person is this well—intentioned legislation that will damage the bookmaking industry and in turn, the racing industry, which employs up to 85,000 people in this country . employs up to 85,000 people in this country. have employs up to 85,000 people in this country . have they got the this country. have they got the balance on this right? well, i'm joined by independent bookmaker joe f banks. jeff, i'm guessing that your fear with this will be excessive red tape and cost and maybe even gambling. going back to what it was years and years ago , an underground illegal ago, an underground illegal activity . activity. >> we absolutely . >> we absolutely. >> we absolutely. >> nigel and i want to say i'm very grateful that you're getting involved here defending consumers, british consumers in what is being asked of them is utterly unprecedented. it is an outrage , and it's perhaps not outrage, and it's perhaps not understood . good that we have

understood. good that we have a bit of a schism going on here in the gambling industry with on one side we have the gambling commission, which desire these affordability checks, that desire that people share their sensitive financial data with gambling companies in order to have a bet and they are allied with major gambling companies such as flutter, entain and bet 365 who are drunk on the data being presented to them by their customers. they're already demanding in advance of the white paper. they're already demanding these checks take place quite illegally , in my place quite illegally, in my opinion, and they are demanding this data in to order profile their customers and profit from their customers and profit from their customers. as never before. and this , quite frankly, before. and this, quite frankly, is an outrage . and it is being is an outrage. and it is being dnven is an outrage. and it is being driven by people who do not understand the nature of the problem . problem. >> interesting . those points you >> interesting. those points you made are one thing that is that that that classic split , that that that classic split, that classic split that goes on often

between the big corporate companies and the small independents. and in response to what you've said, you know, we will ask bet365 and others to give us an answer. but from your perspective, you've got people you know that want to put bets on through you. maybe a series of bets throughout the course of the year. this is presumably would very costly for you as would be very costly for you as well . well. >> well, it is extremely costly , >> well, it is extremely costly, of course. i mean, about 25% of our staff right now work in compliance. we have to be very active in terms of compliance . active in terms of compliance. so yes, it is very expensive . so yes, it is very expensive. but more importantly than that , but more importantly than that, nigel, that the punters themselves , our customers don't themselves, our customers don't desire these checks. they don't want them to go on. they don't want them to go on. they don't want to share their data with gambling companies. i mean, if you if there's a major gambling company that we've all heard of, high street gambling operation that has its customer service centre based in the philippines, so, so british consumers are sharing their sensitive data with agents working in the

philippines and that data can be shared with worldwide by that company under their privacy agreement. so the consumer, the punter has no protection. nigel, from these checks and nobody but nobody is telling us what what what impact affordability checks will have on the real problem , will have on the real problem, which is problem gambling. nobodyis which is problem gambling. nobody is explaining to us why they would be in any way successful . it appears to be successful. it appears to be something that has just been dreamed up. uh initially from the anti—gambling lobby , leapt the anti—gambling lobby, leapt upon as an opportunity to make, to make, make , to make larger to make, make, to make larger profits by the major gambling companies and the gambling commission itself, of course, glorifying themselves in this new this new opportunity to, to, to impose state controlled regulation on british consumers. it is an outrage . and the it is an outrage. and the punters are set dead against what is happening to them. nigel and nobody's speaking for them . and nobody's speaking for them. right. well jeff, i think you've

made some very, very powerful arguments. >> as i said at the start of this, i've seen problem gambling. i've seen lives ruined. i'm not convinced this will do anything to stop it. thank you for joining will do anything to stop it. thank you forjoining me on the thank you for joining me on the program. now to get a view on this, maybe a different view. we're joined by peter and steph shilton, who of course have been campaigning about gambling and in particular problem gambling and welcome both of you back on the program. i mean, jeff made some arguments there . he made some arguments there. he made some arguments there. he made some arguments there about data and the way in which it could be used. and i, i generally , you used. and i, i generally, you know, am suspicious of big government legislation. i fear my worry with this. i put this point to the two of you is if you put all these checks in place and you ask people that want to have a punt on a horse or whatever it may for be a whole stack of their personal financial data, um, that you might drive gambling back might just drive gambling back to old days of the to the bad old days of the underground . underground. >> um, well, we've always supported , um, the white paper ,

supported, um, the white paper, um, affordability checks and obviously other things with the advertising, the amount of advertising, the amount of advertising that goes on. and, uh, yeah , i mean, people's lives uh, yeah, i mean, people's lives are getting ruined. um you know, by by, uh, you know, by their losses , you know, for committing losses, you know, for committing fraud or that type of thing going to prison, families getting ruined . so something's getting ruined. so something's got to be done . and, um, you got to be done. and, um, you know , the ways that it's going know, the ways that it's going to be done needs to be looked at obviously, very closely . obviously, very closely. >> i think this in particular, nigel, is , is, i think the nigel, is, is, i think the threshold, the problem is it's the threshold, isn't it? is it set too low? is that what they're saying ? and also, um, of they're saying? and also, um, of kc we support safeguarding measures , measures in place. and measures, measures in place. and we know that bookmakers are you know, i don't always do that. so if they're doing the affordable checks, they need to also make sure that they're adhering to safeguarding policies . sure that they're adhering to safeguarding policies. um, so i think it goes a lot deeper. it's

a lot more complex than just ticking a box on the affordability check that they're putting through . putting through. >> no , but i think, i mean, the >> no, but i think, i mean, the truth of it is that, you know, background checks, financial information checks, these are expensive, time consuming things for companies to do . i'm with for companies to do. i'm with you all the way on problem gambling. like you, i've seen people's absolutely ruined people's lives absolutely ruined and destroyed by it. you know, i'm with you all the way on that. it'sjust i'm with you all the way on that. it's just about how government deal with it. government should deal with it. and i'm. i'm very often struck that the people that make our laws about laws know nothing about the industries businesses or industries or the businesses or the they're engaged the sports that they're engaged with. and i, i would have thought that for £500 a year, we were setting the threshold of affordability checks far too low for most people. and perhaps somewhere for some sort of compromise can be found . compromise can be found. >> yeah, i think i think you're probably right on that point. >> it is a bit low. probably right on that point. >> it is a bit low . um, i mean, >> it is a bit low. um, i mean, obviously it's not going to be

easy to, to get a system which , easy to, to get a system which, which, which looks at this problem, but certainly something needs to be done because the gambling companies profits are going up and up and up, you know, every year they're billions and billions of pounds and, uh, you know, it's coming from somewhere and it's coming from somewhere and it's coming from most problem gamblers. people are losing far more than they should do. and and, um, you know, you've got to admire the people trying the government in particular for trying to do something about it. and until we know the details of, uh, of these checks , until we know what these checks, until we know what what sort of checks they're going to be personal. i think, you know, if they look at a new client and, and check the client before they take them on to know roughly, you know, what they can afford to lose , you know, then afford to lose, you know, then that might be some way forward. it's just an idea. but certainly, um, you know, i admire the government for trying to do something. >> and it doesn't help that, um, philip davies is, is in

parliament, isn't he ? and he's parliament, isn't he? and he's anyone that's trying to raise gambling harm. awareness. he's now labelling us all as anti—gambling anti gamblers, which is not helpful at all, is it? it really isn't when all we're trying to say is we have philip in place . philip in place. >> philip is the son of a bookie. his mum was a bookie and he feels very strongly about it. and believes in freedom of choice. i know how, i know how passionate. i know how passionate. i know how passionate both of you are on this we're to this subject. we're going to find monday. find out more on monday. there'll big debate in the there'll be a big debate in the house of commons and it is an issue that of have issue that both of you have helped on the map. thank you helped put on the map. thank you for joining me. now jacob rees—mogg next. forjoining me. now jacob rees—mogg next. jacob, rees—mogg is up next. jacob, what on earth is going on? it seems that , uh, your party in seems that, uh, your party in parliament just tearing each other to pieces over this lee anderson row. >> um, well , i anderson row. >> um, well, i don't think we're tearing ourselves to pieces. i mean, it's obviously not a good row to be having. i think lee

has accepted that. he spoke clumsily . people like me feel clumsily. people like me feel that that is not a hanging offence. he's very popular within the party, all of us over a political career misspeak occasionally. i've certainly done it. you may not have done, but almost every mere mortals almost invariably do in a political career . and he said he political career. and he said he spoke clumsily . i think, spoke clumsily. i think, therefore we should welcome him back, forgive and forget. he's a very valuable asset to the conservative party and i'm afraid we don't want him to defecting to reform . defecting to reform. >> well , jacobs view that very, >> well, jacobs view that very, very clear , ladies and very clear, ladies and gentlemen. and but there are others in the conservative party who take a different point of view. well, that's the end of my rather marathon trip to the usa, which went on much , much longer which went on much, much longer than it was supposed to. i shall be back here again within a space of a few weeks, but now it's overnight flight it's on the overnight flight back i'll join you back to london. i'll join you live in the studio from westminster tomorrow evening at 7:00, before all of that, i 7:00, but before all of that, i want to find out. like you, what

kind of weather will i land . to? kind of weather will i land. to? >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers . as sponsors of up. boxt boilers. as sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello. good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather update with me. annie from the met office will be a foggy start for some of us tomorrow, but it should stay dry across eastern areas, but through this evening we'll see a weather front push into the southeast. so that's when the greatest risk when there's the greatest risk of chance of rain across of a chance of rain across southeastern it, southeastern areas. behind it, though, it will turn much clearer. so some cloud and rain through this evening across the southeast. but elsewhere it should dry evening. should be a fairly dry evening. but will start to but some fog will start to develop quite quickly through the night, it will be a bit the night, so it will be a bit of a murky start for many areas, particularly across central southern also up southern england, but also up through pennines and across through the pennines and across eastern areas of scotland as well. we'll feel quite cold well. so we'll feel quite cold tomorrow once again, but well. so we'll feel quite cold towon'tn once again, but well. so we'll feel quite cold towon't be once again, but well. so we'll feel quite cold towon't be quite once again, but well. so we'll feel quite cold towon't be quite as nce again, but well. so we'll feel quite cold towon't be quite as frosty|ain, but well. so we'll feel quite cold towon't be quite as frosty as|, but it won't be quite as frosty as it won't be quite as frosty as it was this morning and there will be some early sunshine where see any fog

where we don't see any fog through tomorrow, particularly across east coast and across the far east coast and many southeastern areas should stay through much of the stay dry through much of the day, but elsewhere it will turn much wetter the day goes on, much wetter as the day goes on, particularly across parts of the south—west england and wales, south—west of england and wales, where see some quite where we'll see some quite persistent at times, persistent rain at times, but also ireland, also across northern ireland, much scotland and northern much of scotland and northern england. it feel milder england. but it will feel milder across the uk . the back of that across the uk. the back of that rain will push into the southeast thursday, so quite southeast on thursday, so quite a day to in the a wet day to come in the southeast on thursday. elsewhere, will a elsewhere, though, it will be a mix sunny spells and showers mix of sunny spells and showers at once. that rain does clear through and that's the story as we head through the rest of the week. a showery picture through friday and saturday as well, and after spell through after a milder spell through wednesday thursday, looks wednesday and thursday, it looks to turn colder from friday, a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on .

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