gb news. >> a very good afternoon to you. it's 3 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. all across the uk. in a few minutes and uk. now, in a few minutes and we're speaking to conservative mp tim loughton. there's loads and loads to talk about with him. of course we're getting his views on mps safety in the wake of all those pro—palestine protests. the government spending . an astonishing £31 spending. an astonishing £31 million of taxpayer money on beefing up those security arrangements and the hardline , arrangements and the hardline, another highly . and the french another highly. and the french say it with fire. the welsh say it with a choir because thousands of welsh farmers are protesting outside the senate in

cardiff , and they say the cardiff, and they say the government's net zero policies could kill off the farming industry altogether. and i've also got news of a new de—banking scandal that's affected more than 140,000 small and medium sized businesses , and and medium sized businesses, and this news of a bad defeat at yet another bad defeat for prince harry in the high court. another bad defeat for prince harry in the high court . and harry in the high court. and that's all come in between now and 6:00. thank you forjoining and 6:00. thank you for joining me on the show, as always, your company is a huge pleasure . company is a huge pleasure. thank you very much. now get in touch. all the usual ways. we've had a very lively week so far. vaiews@gbnews.com. we've got more on lee anderson. the man of the moment will he flip to reform and historic red wall revolution could be coming. what do you think about £31 million on mp security . haven't they on mp security. haven't they created this mess through their

inactivity, their refusal to deal with the mob on the streets 7 deal with the mob on the streets .7 why should we pick up the tab.7 let me know what you think. and also , we'll have one of the also, we'll have one of the organisers of those pro—palestine marches the pro—palestine marches in the show later on. i'll be asking him , as james cleverly did. him, as james cleverly did. you've made your point. surely it's now time to stop, get in touch. but before that, it's your news headlines with your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> thanks, martin. it's 3:02. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . we start with some newsroom. we start with some breaking news. 51 year old ian packer has been found guilty of murdering emma caldwell, who disappeared almost 19 years ago in glasgow . the 27 year old's in glasgow. the 27 year old's body was found in limefield woods in south lanarkshire . the woods in south lanarkshire. the farmers are warning the whole industry is at risk in the welsh government goes ahead with proposed changes to subsidies as liam halligan for the el tel

will outside parliament, they staged a protest against plans which require 20% of agriculture land to be set aside for trees and wildlife habitats. the labour government insists the changes are necessary to fight climate change, but conceded the plan could still be adjusted at the end of a consultation. unions warn there'll be thousands of job losses and leader of the welsh conservatives, andrew rt davies, told gb news it will be disastrous for the country. >> well, let's not forget people need food to survive and live on their everyday existence, so we're not talking about an industry here that isn't required nation. and required to feed the nation. and if don't have we if we don't have farmers, we don't and the don't have food. and by the government's figures, government's own figures, if this goes ahead and this scheme goes ahead and changed, 5500 farmers will lose their livelihoods . 125,000 their livelihoods. 125,000 cattle will be lost in wales, 800,000 sheep and £200 million worth of economic activity will be lost. so it will be a devastating income impact on rural communities. the length and breadth of wales.

>> former rugby referee and farmer nigel owens says the privilege of being at the protest is greater than when he was a referee . was a referee. >> it's taken years and years of hard work to achieve a goal, >> it's taken years and years of hard work to achieve a goal , to hard work to achieve a goal, to get a smallholding and a small herd of pedigree herefords , and herd of pedigree herefords, and i do it because i care, because i'm passionate about the industry that we are in, not just for our way of life , but just for our way of life, but without farmers . there is no without farmers. there is no food . there can be no six food. there can be no six nafions food. there can be no six nations game in cardiff during next saturday against france , so next saturday against france, so there is no referee . there can there is no referee. there can be no food on the table if there is no farmers . in other news, is no farmers. in other news, the duke of sussex plans to appeal a high court ruling after he lost his challenge against the government over his personal security. >> prince harry launched legal action in february 2020 after he was told he would no longer be given the same degree of taxpayer funded protection when he's in the uk. his lawyers told the court he was treated less favourably and his children

wouldn't feel at home if they couldn't be safe. government couldn't be safe. the government had argued prince harry's protection should be dismissed because considered on because it's considered on a case by case basis . the home case by case basis. the home office has welcomed the ruling and said it's considering its next steps . mps facing threats next steps. mps facing threats to their safety will get extra security money as part of a new £31 million government package. it follows growing concerns over mps being targeted by protesters in the recent months. since the outbreak of the israel—hamas war. the home office said the package would be used to increase private sector security provisions, with all elected representatives to have a dedicated, named police contact to liaise with on security matters . policing minister chris matters. policing minister chris philp says democracy won't function without their safety. >> it's vital for democracy that elected representatives gives members of parliament and others can discharge their duties without fear or intimidation . without fear or intimidation. >> if mps can't do their jobs and use their judgement without any sort of external, intimate

station, then democracy itself can't function . can't function. >> labour mp for greenwich and woolwich , matthew pennycook woolwich, matthew pennycook backs the government in taking action. >> i think every mp, particularly over recent years, has experienced threats . some of has experienced threats. some of my colleagues in far greater numbers than i certainly have, have particularly female mps and i think intimidation, threats and hate crime have absolutely no place in our democracy. and we think the government are right to be taking action on this. no one either, for themselves or their families, should face threats simply because of the role they play in the democratic process and the high court in belfast has ruled the uk government's controversial legacy act breaches human rights laws. >> the case was brought by the relatives of troubles victims. the act includes a conditional amnesty for people suspected of committing offences in delivering his ruling, the judge said there's no evidence immunity will in any way contribute to reconciliation in the country. northern ireland

secretary chris heaton—harris says the government still intends to implement the act. >> this is a complex case and is likely to head to further court cases. likely to head to further court cases . further action in likely to head to further court cases. further action in higher courts. but we want to i do want to consider this judgement carefully and i want to look at all the 200 pages and take the legal advice that he would expect me to take in such circumstances , and for the circumstances, and for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. >> com slash alerts now it's back to . martin. back to. martin. >> great loads get stuck into, so let's get cracking. and we start with the increased threat to mps safety, which of course been triggered by the israel hamas war and the ongoing protests in our streets. and the home secretary , james cleverly, home secretary, james cleverly, has announced a £31 million

package that will be, of course, paid for by you and me. the good old fashioned british taxpayer. and this comes after conservative mp tobias ellwood home, if you recall, was targeted earlier this month by those pro—palestine protesters outside his house while his wife and children were present and the family homes of both rishi sunak and sir keir starmer have been set upon by environmental protest recently and earlier today, labour mp stella creasy spoke to my colleague gloria de piero about the scale of the problem in an article you wrote last week in the guardian, saying that public life is drowning in hate and violence. >> what does that mean on a day to day level? >> it means it's really sad because it means you can't have a proper conversation. and actually all of us as mps want to be talk to our to be able to talk to our constituents. we want hear constituents. we want to hear people disagree this. people who disagree with this. i like disagree like hearing people who disagree with it makes me like hearing people who disagree with about it makes me like hearing people who disagree with about whether makes me like hearing people who disagree with about whether theyes me like hearing people who disagree with about whether they might think about whether they might have a point or whether actually i'm thing. you i'm doing the right thing. you can't if people can't do that if people are screaming shouting or screaming and shouting at you or sending threats or sending you death threats or

rape and sadly, rape threats, and sadly, that is happening lot frequently happening a lot more frequently now. angry then now. people start angry and then they have questions we they have the questions we need to it around. to turn it around. >> this £31 million of >> is this £31 million of comfort you? the announcement that the government will up the security by spending extra 30? 307| -| 30? i don't want >> i don't want to live in a bubble. want to able to go bubble. i want to be able to go out in my constituency and chat to people. love to to people. i'd love them to spend finding people spend money finding the people doing it's not doing this, because it's not democracy. 50% the democracy. if 50% of the conversation in fear democracy. if 50% of the co its rsation in fear democracy. if 50% of the co its life,on in fear democracy. if 50% of the co its life, it's in fear democracy. if 50% of the co its life, it's the in fear democracy. if 50% of the co its life, it's the people ear of its life, it's the people doing this. we need to challenge, point, well made. >> the people y—l >> it's the people doing it we need challenge. i'm need to challenge. and i'm joined studio now by our joined in the studio now by our political correspondent katherine forster, by katherine forster, and by the conservative member of conservative mp and member of the home affairs select committee, . welcome committee, tim loughton. welcome to you both. start with you , to you both. start with you, catherine. so £30 million, lots of money been precipitated by mostly by the events of what's happened since october the 7th and the ongoing protests and the mob outside parliament. mps increasingly being very, very afraid. but of course, this has been paid for by the taxpayer . been paid for by the taxpayer. is this a fair use of money or or are we treating the symptom

and not actually dealing with the cause? >> well, you need to deal with both , don't you? and in the both, don't you? and in the lobby briefing straight after prime questions with prime minister's questions with journalists, the prime minister's spokesman was making that very clear. it's not enough just to step up security , to try just to step up security, to try to put a wall of protection around mps. you've got to deal with the reasons that people are making these threats, becoming increasingly violent and extreme at source . that is very, very at source. that is very, very difficult, as we've seen, because look where we are now in a situation where the speaker this time last week, uh, chose an amendment, he said, because he was worried about the very real threat to mps. he was worried about the very real threat to mps . so the real threat to mps. so the measures that have been announced today, um, specifically in terms of protecting mps in their homes, protecting mps in their homes, protecting mps in their homes, protecting mps , protecting the protecting mps, protecting the palace of westminster itself because one of the organisers of

the protest last last wednesday was later turned out that they'd said they wanted so many people to turn up to that demonstration that they had to lock the doors of parliament. so, yes, a lot of money being spent. we know that three female mps have been given bodyguards, many of them have panic buttons. many of them already . we do have more already. we do have more protection and many of them have already adapt the way that they do things , because, of course, do things, because, of course, following the murder of sir david amess and jo cox and constituency surgery , his, you constituency surgery, his, you know, some people wear stab vests, they have to be very tightly controlled . some people tightly controlled. some people are doing them on zoom. but harriet harman suggest an um, of hybnd harriet harman suggest an um, of hybrid working, saying why can't if mps are feeling particularly threatened , work from home threatened, work from home contribute to parliament from home like they did in covid? the prime minister's spokesman at lunchtime saying that the prime minister views that suggestion

as, quote , appalling and that as, quote, appalling and that they mustn't let these people, these extremists change the way that mps are behaving. >> so, catherine, stick around, we'll turn now to tim loughton. tim, on this issue, you know, this didn't start on october the 7th, but we've seen huge 7th, but we've seen a huge increase since october seventh. those disgusting, shameful scenes last wednesday we saw from the rivers to the sea being projected onto elizabeth tower, the big ben tower of course, and the big ben tower of course, and the mob outside is part of the problem here. we're refusing to address the elephant in the room. and in fact, albeit in a clumsy manner, when people like lee anderson do confront the potential root cause of this, everyone clams up . everyone everyone clams up. everyone leaps in and says, stop being islamophobic. and meanwhile this goes on. it's becoming now expense live and dangerous and i think it's a sad time when we've had to come to almost give mps personal bodyguards . personal bodyguards. >> i mean, the absolute tenet of a of a free democracy is that

people are able to say uncomfortable truths under unto other people without feeling personally threatened. the nature of parliament must not change. we must be able to go and debate, face to face on really difficult, sensitive issues . we must allow people to issues. we must allow people to be able to protest and express their views. but that is not the same as intimidation , as bawling same as intimidation, as bawling into the faces of lawmakers and mps and others threatening them with violence. and as we've heard from other colleagues who have death threats, who've had their offices firebombed and in extreme cases , obviously we've extreme cases, obviously we've had two deaths of colleagues in the that i've been in the time that i've been in parliament well . so there parliament as as well. so there there be line , but it's there has to be a line, but it's got to be a sensitive line between maintaining free speech, which why we are all here. which is why we are all here. but making sure done an but making sure it's done in an orderly and there are orderly way. and there are people stepped beyond orderly way. and there are peofline stepped beyond orderly way. and there are peofline which stepped beyond orderly way. and there are peofline which step|now)eyond that line which has now made this necessary. >> catherine and tim, are you worried, too, that people looking on at westminster, people who might be considering

standing as a parliamentary candidate , who might think, i've candidate, who might think, i've got something to offer , i've got got something to offer, i've got experience in a different sector or whatever, i'd like a change. i'd like to do this may actually look at what you guys are facing the threats, the fear, the panic buttons, the bullet—proof vest , buttons, the bullet—proof vest, the security guards and think , the security guards and think, i'm not going to do this. and we're going to lose really, really good people because of this. >> and we are already losing really good people. >> and there's lot of my >> and there's a lot of my colleagues who are standing down >> and there's a lot of my colle from; who are standing down >> and there's a lot of my colle from parliament anding down >> and there's a lot of my colle from parliament foriing down >> and there's a lot of my colle from parliament for various'n from from parliament for various reasons but element of that reasons. but an element of that is i really want all the is do i really want all the grief stress that goes with grief and stress that goes with this, with this job? um, and all the impact it has on my family, the impact it has on my family, the special arrangements that you have make for your for you have to make for your for your family. so there are people who retirement who are well below retirement age. i'm, you know, i've been around years, there around for 27 years, but there are people are many really talented people in who've in parliament who've decided, you pve you know, enough is enough. i've done and i'm moving on. done my bit and i'm moving on. let alone all the people we desperately need into desperately need to get into parliament really smart, parliament who are really smart, talented people reflecting our

nafion talented people reflecting our nation a whole, who we need nation as a whole, who we need inside the chamber, making laws for the population as a whole are going to think, why on earth would i want to and that? would i want to go and do that? i'd stay in in i'd much prefer to stay in in business, or i have a successful career in academia or whatever it be, but need those it may be, but we need those sorts talents in parliament sorts of talents in parliament as and they're to as well, and they're going to think now. and that's think twice now. and that's really sad. think twice now. and that's reaitim,id. think twice now. and that's reaitim, i'd like to ask you >> tim, i'd like to ask you about neal, of course, who about david neal, of course, who was inspector was the chief inspector of immigration, for simply immigration, sacked for simply doing his job. we reported yesterday . may sit on the yesterday. may you sit on the home select committee. home affairs select committee. he yesterday he was questioned yesterday a bit of context. he claimed 25% of those coming in on care visas from abroad were abusing the system. he also claimed that people were coming in via private jets and getting straight through immigration checks. for that, he was sacked. but the bigger point to meet him is this revelation. he claimed 14 reports. he put to the home office, went unpublished. why on earth are we not hearing the truth? are the home office trying to hush this down and

what's in those reports? will we ever get a chance to see them? >> fact, it's 15 reports. >> so david neal is actually a good guy and he's he's really experienced. was in experienced. he was brought in as chief inspectors of as the chief inspectors of borders immigration, borders and immigration, which is big issue at at is a really big issue at the at the moment. everything from boats the channel boats coming across the channel to rwanda scheme and everything and everything else. and i think he's done and the committee thinks a really good thinks he's done a really good job. in of us job. we've had in front of us committee many times. he's been really frustrated he puts really frustrated that he puts in of time to produce in loads of time to produce these reports , which are really these reports, which are really important reports , but he can't important reports, but he can't pubush important reports, but he can't publish without the publish them without the permission of the home office, for whom effectively is his his his boss, who don't want these inconvenient truths to come out? >> will. >> they will. >> they will. >> eventually >> they will eventually be published. they are supposed published. but they are supposed to be published conventionally within eight weeks, and there are several. there are now 15 of them. some them have been them. some of them have been over a year. there is no excuse for of them, when for that. and some of them, when they published, then they do get published, then heavily redacted. the point of having of borders having an inspector of borders is have an outside is to have an outside independent scrutiny of what the

home office is getting wrong and what it's getting right. so the home office is going to prove the way it's keeping our borders safe. so for him not to be able to publish has been deeply frustrating for him and for us. and it's not good for the job the office is doing the home office is doing as well. got to be well. so they've got to be published. now. >> ask as a favour >> could i ask you as a favour to to, country and certainly to to, the country and certainly the viewers to try and the gb news viewers to try and get reports get them get those reports and get them out get get them, out there. let's get get them, let's get on tv and talk about it. >> i've spoken to the speaker's office today , and we had office today, and we had a meeting of the home affairs select morning to select committee this morning to ask question tomorrow ask an urgent question tomorrow of the home office ministers. >> that one, what's going to happen to his role, because there's going be gap there's now going to be this gap . to take six, nine . it's going to take six, nine months to replace him. in the meantime, nobody can the work meantime, nobody can do the work of the chief inspector. he doesn't deputy and will doesn't have a deputy and will these reports now be published as a matter of urgency? because there are important security matters all need to see. matters that we all need to see. and what the and we need to know what the home is doing about them here. >> here. here. >> iiere. here.

>> i mean, ijust sort here. >> i mean, i just sort of think you couldn't really make it up, could you? and in in 2016, the brexit vote take back control. astonishing borders. you know, people expected this government it to get net migration legal net migration down under the points based system . it's three points based system. it's three quarters of a million to triple what it was , was um when boris what it was, was um when boris johnson came in and illegal migration. sure. it's down a third, but you're a million miles from stopping the boats, aren't you? i how do you really think voters are going to have faith in the conservatives controlling borders with, with things like this coming out? well there's two issues. >> there's legal migration and there's illegal migration. so you've got a whole issue about are there too many people coming here legally at the invitation of government? of the government? there's a whole but we whole separate issue. but we have got the coming have got the numbers coming across down. but across the channel down. but we've get them much we've got to get them much further grander scheme further down. the grander scheme is but is important part of that, but it really essential that you have independent have somebody independent working out. is the home office

doing job properly. our doing its job properly. our border stopping people, border force stopping people, checking people at city airport, which is the latest report which got sacked, where he said got him sacked, where he said hold on minute. these planes hold on a minute. these planes are properly checked. are not being properly checked. so he said that and he's so concerned about it. he made clear to us yesterday that he's gone public on it because he thinks this is a security issue. the home office address the home office must address this . we're going to haul a home this. we're going to haul a home office minister in front of us to say was what he said true? and so , what are you and if so, what are you doing about we're going to about it? and we're going to go to and find for to city airport and find out for ourselves exactly is going ourselves exactly what is going on. shouldn't and it on. it shouldn't take us and it shouldn't take the inspector having effectively to put his head on the block and now be sacked to force the home office to the home office, to act. the home office, i think, been , regardless of think, has been, regardless of what ministers think what ministers may, may think has dysfunctional far has been dysfunctional for far too too long. and i pay tribute , too too long. and i pay tribute, as we all did, to david for neil sacrificing his job because of the greater issues of making sure safe and sure our borders are safe and our are safe from people our people are safe from people who coming in through who do us ill coming in through

them. tim. them. indeed tim. >> and you know, it asked the big who's running the big question who's running the country of our country in terms of our immigration why are immigration policy and why are the home office seemingly so pressing the truth? and we're going you to that. let's going to hold you to that. let's get those reports out and let's get those reports out and let's get telly. can't get them on the telly. i can't let you go without probing you about man. about that, man. >> lee anderson, the >> lee anderson, a member of the home affairs select committee. >> rhetoric ramped up last >> the rhetoric ramped up last night, on this show night, broke on this show so that anderson met with that lee anderson met with reform party uk leader richard tice, the big question is, will he go or is there should there can there be a route back into the conservative party for lee anderson? >> well, i've been a colleague of lee's on the home affairs select committee for quite a while now, and i and i like lee and whatever you think about lee's views and i don't share some of his views, he has a way of communicating with many constituents that cuts through in actually much the same way as though i wasn't a fan of his. bofisis though i wasn't a fan of his. boris is able to communicate people from a completely different background, including my constituency , and there's

my constituency, and there's something in that. lee some times goes over the top and says things which some people may believe in, he may believe in, but actually it's not very helpful. but can he colleagues to say it? i think there's always a way for lee to come to come back, but he has to acknowledge that politics has to be a balance between saying inconvenient truth and doing what is also practical as well. and so he has caused offence to some people, for which i think he should have acknowledged that. if he does that, then that. and if he does that, then ihope that. and if he does that, then i hope there is a way back, because i think he has he has talents as well. but you know, the prime minister has said what he said was unacceptable. i agree with that in the way that he did it, um , so let's he that he did it, um, so let's work practically . we come work practically. we come together to see how we can address some of these problems that we have in our society that lee is highlighting. if lee sticks by his and he won't sticks by his guns and he won't apologise for what he said, can he come on terms or. apologise for what he said, can he (i me on terms or. apologise for what he said, can he (i mean, on terms or. apologise for what he said, can he (i mean, the1 terms or. apologise for what he said, can he (i mean, the prime terms or. apologise for what he said, can he (i mean, the prime hasms or. apologise for what he said, can he (i mean, the prime has made no, i mean, the prime has made it what he said it very, very clear what he said was unacceptable he

was unacceptable in the way he he it. he refused to he did it. he refused to apologise and acknowledge some of the hurt that those remarks had had had done. whatever people think about it, unless he he acknowledges that and says, okay, i went too far in this case, but there is a problem and i think we need to address it. i don't disagree with with that. then he can't just come back after a few weeks when it's all it's blown i hope we it's all blown over. i hope we can a an accommodation, but can find a an accommodation, but we are a party of many different, um, views within that party and he needs to remember he's part of a larger party. he can't be a one man show. so interesting celebrity though he is on your news channel and others. he's not about the telly. >> he's popular with voters. >> he's popular with voters. >> he's popular with voters. but he's first and foremost the mp for his constituency , see in for his constituency, see in nottingham. and he was elected because he was a member of the conservative party and put forward as a conservative candidate the same that i was.

and therefore have and you therefore have to play by the rules , although you may by the rules, although you may not quite like all of those rules. that's how party politics works. and he just needs to acknowledge then acknowledge that. and then hopefully we can talents hopefully we can use his talents again. okay. hopefully we can use his talents agathankay. very much tim >> thank you very much tim loughton. excellent and loughton. excellent stuff. and katherine to katherine forster great start to the we still have the show. seems we still have a standoff around lee anderson. great now we'll lots great stuff. now we'll have lots more mp safety and that £31 more on mp safety and that £31 million bill throughout the show and in the next hour i'll talk to the member of the house of lords who had a suspicious package sent to his home this morning. plenty of morning. and there's plenty of coverage on our website, gbnews.com, and you've helped to make it the fastest growing national website the national news website in the country very much. country. so thank you very much. now we've covered the farmers protests across europe extensively on this show. and now they've arrived onto these fair shores because thousands of welsh farmers have been demonstrating in cardiff today. they put on a superb choral display . more of that soon. i'm display. more of that soon. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel .

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their bank accounts closed in the last year, following on, of course, from what happened to nigel farage. now we've all seen the farmers protests that have swept across the continent in recent months. well, now the welsh farmers have well and truly got in on act and have truly got in on the act and have ibannau truly got in on the act and have i bannau ayat nouri me stirring stuff and up to 4000 sang the welsh national anthem as they demonstrated outside the welsh parliament in cardiff . and they parliament in cardiff. and they say plans to change farming subsidies threatens their entire industry. well let's cross now to cardiff and speak to our political correspondent olivia utley. olivia magnificent seems the french say it with fire. the welsh said it via a choir. >> well, absolutely it was. the whole occasion was very welsh indeed, as you can probably see. i'm very wet from standing in the rain for a few hours, but the rain for a few hours, but the protest today was about a very serious issue. and as you

say, martin, there were lots of echoes to what's been happening across europe, in france and in spain over the last few months. what welsh farmers were protesting against today was the labour welsh government's plan to introduce this new farming subsidy scheme, whereby welsh farmers would have to give over 10% of their land for environmental causes , environmental causes, specifically for growing trees . specifically for growing trees. and that's land that would have to be removed from food production in order to grow trees instead. now the welsh farmers i've been speaking to today were making the point that food security has never been more important in a globally unstable world. when you look at what's happening in russia, you look at what's happening in israel being able to supply our own food is more important than ever. own food is more important than ever . and yet they claim this ever. and yet they claim this scheme would mean that hundreds of farmers across wales would go out of business. i saw one sign which very pithily put it as

mark drakeford, my sheep don't grow on trees, so that was the issue being talked about today and i can you there was and i can tell you there was real, real anger with the laboun real, real anger with the labour, welsh government . one of labour, welsh government. one of the nigel owen, spoke the speakers, nigel owen, spoke particularly powerfully. is particularly powerfully. this is what to say . what he had to say. >> it's taken years and years of hard work to achieve a goal, >> it's taken years and years of hard work to achieve a goal , to hard work to achieve a goal, to get a smallholding and a small herd of pedigree herefords , and herd of pedigree herefords, and i do it because i care , because i do it because i care, because i'm passionate about the industry that we're in, not just for our way of life , but without for our way of life, but without farmers. there is no food there can be no six nations game in cardiff and next saturday against france. so there is no referee , there can be no food on referee, there can be no food on the table if there is no farmers i >> -- >> and 5mm >> and what we also heard a lot of anger about was net zero. one speaker said that we were all here to achieve the net zero goals set by the government, and there was a huge amount of booing was really booing to me. what was really particularly interesting about

this it felt forced this was it felt like a forced shadowing of perhaps the years ahead labour government ahead under a labour government in the uk as whole. there is in the uk as a whole. there is fury about net zero when it starts to hit people's pockets . starts to hit people's pockets. it is hitting farmers pockets now and the rest of us might just be next. olivia utley the excellent report. >> thank you very much for joining us on the welsh farmers protest live from cardiff . thank protest live from cardiff. thank you. now there's lots more to come still between now and 4:00. and i've got news of a very damaging defeat once again for prince harry in the high court. but first, it's time for your latest news headlines with sophia wenzler. >> thanks, martin. it's 331. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom . a serial rapist has newsroom. a serial rapist has been convicted of murdering emma caldwell, who disappeared almost 19 years ago in glasgow . the 51 19 years ago in glasgow. the 51 year old ian packer was found guilty of killing the 27 year old sex worker . guilty of killing the 27 year old sex worker. during the trial, the jury visited the site

where her body was found in linfield woods in south lanarkshire . police scotland has lanarkshire. police scotland has apologised to emma caldwell's family for being let down by policing in 2005, farmers are warning the whole industry is at risk if the welsh government goes ahead with proposed changes to subsidies outside the final stage of mod . outside stage of mod. outside parliament, they staged a protest against plans which require 20% of agricultural land to be set aside for trees and wildlife habitats. the labour government insists the changes are necessary to fight climate change, but conceded the plan could still be adjusted at the end of the consultation. unions warn there'll be thousands of job losses as. warn there'll be thousands of job losses as . and the duke of job losses as. and the duke of sussex plans to appeal a high court ruling after losing a challenge against the government over his personal security , over his personal security, prince harry launched legal action in february 2020 after he was told he would no longer be

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the gb news financial report. >> thank you, sophia . now after >> thank you, sophia. now after nigel farage, his bank account was closed by coutts. we've got yet another de—banking scandal on our hands this time more than 140,000 small and medium sized businesses had their bank accounts closed in the last yeah accounts closed in the last year. an absolute scandal . we'll year. an absolute scandal. we'll have more on that after this. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel .

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step of this journey in 2024 gb news is britain's election . channel >> and welcome back to the show. >> and welcome back to the show. >> it's 338. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news. now. later this hour i'll have news of a major decision that will affect soldiers who are in northern ireland during troubles. soldiers who are in northern ireland during troubles . and ireland during the troubles. and guess yes our old friend. guess what? yes our old friend. or is it our enemy ? human rights or is it our enemy? human rights legislation is heavily involved. that's right . strasbourg has that's right. strasbourg has poked its nose and you will not believe that . now mps have believe that. now mps have raised concerns over the treatment of small businesses by major banks after figures showed that more than 140,000 accounts were shut down by the lenders over the past year. and joining me now in the studio is our business and economics editor , business and economics editor, liam halligan with on the money reporter .

liam halligan with on the money reporter. liam always an absolute pleasure to have you on the show. so first they came for nigel farage, now they're going for the everyday business man and woman in the street. absolutely outrage. what's the details ? details? >> good to be with you, martin. also as ever, a new word has entered the english lexicon, hasn't it, to be de—banking? that's not cockney rhyming slang. that's when your banking services are removed . and you services are removed. and you mentioned our colleague nigel farage and of course, uh, coutts , the very up—market bank owned by natwest , indeed took away by natwest, indeed took away nigel's accounts. he complained about it. he did a freedom of information request. it turned out that ft. coutts insiders had been putting together dossiers saying that they didn't like the cuts of nigel farage's political jib , and they didn't want him jib, and they didn't want him involved with their company. nigel appeal and with attitude.

i think we can say, and of course, natwest had to stand aside, died and the chief executive lost her job. so what we're talking about today is slightly different. it's when individual companies, small and medium sized enterprises are de—banking their banking services taken away, not so much because they may be seen as politically distasteful to certain bureaucrats working ceaselessly in our financial services industries or because they may be what's called a pep , they may be what's called a pep, politically exposed person . but politically exposed person. but just because they're too small for the banks to be bothered with, frankly, that's the dangen with, frankly, that's the danger. that's what the treasury select committee, a group of cross—party mps doing good work who are members of the parliament, who are particularly interested in economic and business issues. i know many of them well. they are investigating this issue of small and medium sized enterprises being d banked, and they have used their good offices, their power to extract data and call witnesses . and

data and call witnesses. and they've come up with these numbers that over the last year around . 3 to 5% of bank accounts around. 3 to 5% of bank accounts of small and medium sized enterprises have been shut down. almost 150,000 in a particular year. almost 150,000 in a particular year . as you say, martin, which year. as you say, martin, which is a huge amount. year. as you say, martin, which is a huge amount . and it's just is a huge amount. and it's just because the banks feel they wouldn't admit this , that these wouldn't admit this, that these small businesses aren't worth the candle. but you know what small businesses they account for two thirds of all jobs in this country. they account for half of the uk economy. they are the lifeblood of many local and regional economies. big employers . they are very, very employers. they are very, very important to our entrepreneurial business, culture and indeed the future of uk economic growth . future of uk economic growth. and have a look at this for a statement from martin mctague martin, your namesake . he is martin, your namesake. he is national chair at the federation of small businesses, an extremely well regarded long

standing lobby group . there is standing lobby group. there is a power imbalance , says the power imbalance, says the federation of small businesses between small firms and their banks. between small firms and their banks . those who've had their banks. those who've had their accounts closed without warning. see, we're not making this up, are not just effective financially and operationally, but there's also a reputational and emotional aspect to consider. banks should not be making decisions lightly or on a hair trigger. imagine, martin, that you are running a small or medium sized enterprise . imagine medium sized enterprise. imagine you've got 20 or 30 odd employees. you've got to make payroll every month . we here in payroll every month. we here in britain , we are very good at britain, we are very good at starting small firms. it's what we do. we're not very good at those small firms becoming big firms. and a lot of the reason is because the financial services industry, in my experience doesn't funding services industry, in my experi firms. doesn't funding services industry, in my experi firms. it»esn't funding services industry, in my experi firms. it doesn't funding services industry, in my experi firms. it doesn't like nding small firms. it doesn't like deaung small firms. it doesn't like dealing with small firms. small firms. it doesn't like dealing with small firms . they, dealing with small firms. they, the rooty tooty people in the city think that small firms are a little naff. in my a little bit naff. in my experience. and of course ,

experience. and of course, regional banking that is largely dying away as our banks retrench and focus more on investment banking activities rather than, you know, utility providing the plumbing and the financial services industry. and we've got a situation now where a lot of our small companies are losing bank accounts very, very quickly against their wishes . so imagine against their wishes. so imagine you've got people you need to pay- you've got people you need to pay. you've got suppliers who you need to pay, you've got people paying you who have got your banking details. you know, many , many standing orders set many, many standing orders set up. imagine that happening in your own personal life. the stress and the aggro are. then imagine that you've got 30 employees as well and then being paid and your business is turning over. will determine whether or not your family gets fed. and you can keep a roof over their head. i personally think martin mctague of the federation of small businesses has been understated has been incredibly understated when he talks about the emotional aspects to this, i think they're absolutely huge.

>> superbly malagon. >> yeah, superbly malagon. thanks again for shining a light on this. always on the money and you're a big lad. fancy you turn up my sort them out. up at my bank to sort them out. well done mate. always a pleasure . now in a few minutes pleasure. now in a few minutes i'll ask why. emmanuel macron wants nato troops to go wants to put nato troops to go into the ukraine. do you want to drag us into a full scale war, or is it simply once again or is it simply him? once again having a napoleon complex? but first news series first in a gb news series innovation britain, we're looking at the success of the magnificent british manufacturing around the country i >> -- >> we've come to the oldest borough in england. >> it's malmesbury. >> it's malmesbury. >> that's correct. >> that's correct. >> king athelstan. >> king athelstan. >> uh, gaffe. um, if we would have had the thames, i think we would have been london. but unfortunately, we're not. but unfortunately, london. >> we're in malmesbury >> no, we're in malmesbury and might be of the oldest might be one of the oldest places in the uk. >> yeah, we've got actually places in the uk.

>.reallyyeah, we've got actually places in the uk. >.really brand ne've got actually places in the uk. >.really brand new got actually places in the uk. >.really brand new product ually places in the uk. >.really brand new product here. a really brand new product here. >> chris. yeah. >> chris. yeah. >> what have you guys designed. >> what have you guys designed. >> absolutely. sweetenham and >> absolutely. so sweetenham and bradley are bradley so we work we are a subcontract company, subcontract sheet metal company, but looking into but we're actually looking into making our own products now. um, this guardian, so this is a manhole guardian, so it's device to it's an arrest device to fit inside the manhole cover when you're working on it. so will you're working on it. so it will literally clamp inside the chamber of the manhole and they will people access. but will people to still access. but more importantly, fall into more importantly, not fall into the , which does happen. the manhole, which does happen. um we actually develop this because we work on defib tablets. we manufacture defib cabinets, we manufacture bleed kits. um, so it was a natural step for us to look into the safety industry . um, problem safety industry. um, the problem arose, um, we took a concept, so we took a very rudimentary concept, uh, which was some mild steel, rusty old mild steel box section. and then we actually used, uh, radco and all of our software to be able to develop. i it's quite a sexy i think it's quite a sexy product but maybe, you know, product, but maybe, you know, sexy to not sexy to sexy to me is not sexy to others, it's a great looking others, but it's a great looking product. it's lightweight . it's safe. >> you know? i mean, it will stop lots of accidents and huge

potential for the utilities industry , water boards, industry, water boards, construction happen anywhere. >> there's a manhole. uk is, you know, we should be making more as the uk. i'm a huge advocate for uk engineering. i think i explained to you earlier on, i've seen uk engineering go away offshore times . i'm seeing it offshore times. i'm seeing it come back now, it's important come back now, so it's important that companies sweetenham that companies like sweetenham and there's of and bradley, there's lots of them actually do them out there, can actually do their own thing as well

i >> welcome back. it's 349. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news a 4:00. i'll have the latest on lee anderson. could he really defect to reform and start a red wall revolution? we'll have some more information on that. the biggest story in politics this week. now to big news coming from northern ireland today . and from northern ireland today. and british soldiers who served

there decades ago at the height of the troubles, could find themselves facing criminal charges . and it's all to do with charges. and it's all to do with european human rights law. you couldn't make it up. gb news northern ireland reporter dougie beattie is in belfast, draghi. we were hoping for a lifeline to be thrown to these veterans and now strasbourg's waded . in now strasbourg's waded. in >> yeah, well, strasbourg has waded in and what has actually happenedis waded in and what has actually happened is they haven't killed the whole policy around and, uh, legacy. >> but what they have done is take out the part where the british government is able to give out immunity, uh, as it sees fit in other words, the immunity for information . immunity for information. >> that's how the loved ones of people that died in the troubles, they've never got to the bottom of. >> course, we're going to >> of course, we're going to find happened those find out what happened to those people families took a case >> four families took a case against this legislation that's coming in, and today, of course, it then came back that that that part, the carrot, if you like,

uh, to make people come forward and say exactly what happened in those incidents has gone, which means that those soldiers and security forces will still be brought back to court to face, uh , the courts here to face, uh, uh, the courts here to face, uh, prosecution and possibly for things that happened maybe 50, 55 years ago. >> but of course, it does flip another interesting side to this, because of course , in 1998 this, because of course, in 1998 or every prisoner got out under the good friday agreement and those that were left, those cases that were left, it was then found that tony blair had done a side deal with the ira, and many of those people are now senior members of sinn fein and some of them have letters of comfort . comfort. >> some of them have queen's pardons of mercy. >> uh, in order that they would not be brought up in front of the courts here when they were in government. >> so, of course, if the european legislation or the european legislation or the european have said, well, european courts have said, well, that cannot be possible for the british government to give out

immunity it likes. immunity as it likes. >> you can imagine where >> well, you can imagine where this going when police this is going when police officers , widows will be looking officers, widows will be looking to out what happened to to find out what happened to their, , husbands . their, uh, husbands. >> thank you. dougie beattie concerning stuff. i thought we'd left the european union. thank you very much, mate. superb as even you very much, mate. superb as ever. now moving on. the uk has rejected french suggestions to send nato troops to the war in ukraine, warning that it will be a major escalation in the conflict. well, obviously. and the french president, emmanuel macron, has said after meeting with foreign leaders in paris, the troops being deployed was not something that should be ruled out. but this has since been rebuffed by britain as well as most countries in the eu , as most countries in the eu, including germany. and with the kremlin warning that any deployment of troops would lead to an all out war between russia and nato, well , to an all out war between russia and nato, well, i'm asking a simple question now. so military historian defence analyst at historian and defence analyst at um, yesterday and that is this chris newton . thanks forjoining chris newton. thanks forjoining us, chris. look, macron doesn't

pay us, chris. look, macron doesn't pay its 2% of gdp to nato anyway. in the old days this would have been seen as a direct act of war towards russia . and act of war towards russia. and nobody else wants it. what on earth is macron playing at. >> oh good afternoon . um, i >> oh good afternoon. um, i think there are potentially a few reasons why he's done this. >> one reason is that, you know , >> one reason is that, you know, is simply an off the cuff remark that went wrong . um, another that went wrong. um, another reason is that , uh, macron is reason is that, uh, macron is seeking to establish , like he seeking to establish, like he always does, france is position, um, in the international system and, and you know, he's trying to project , you know, french to project, you know, french power and he thought that this might be a way of doing it. >> and another reason is that he he might be seeking an opportunity with trump's remarks about nato and ukraine. >> and with biden effectively leading, leaving a leadership void in the west,

leading, leaving a leadership void in the west , that macron void in the west, that macron might see himself as potentially the man to step into it, into that, um, that leadership void . that, um, that leadership void. but, um, this is spectacularly backfired, as you say , because backfired, as you say, because pretty much everyone has rejected what he said. >> okay . i mean, we'll have to >> okay. i mean, we'll have to leave it there. chris. we're simply out of time for this houn simply out of time for this hour. it just begs the question, you know, mark isn't in charge of the european army. probably would like to be. he'd like to be charge of the european be in charge of the european union. and doesn't the union. and he doesn't pay the money into nato . this just reeks money into nato. this just reeks of fashioned posturing. and of old fashioned posturing. and napoleon complex, you might say chris newton , thank you very chris newton, thank you very much for joining chris newton, thank you very much forjoining us on the show. much for joining us on the show. okay now, yesterday we broke the big news that lee anderson met reform uk leader richard tice. lesson they they called it the houdayin lesson they they called it the holiday in gate they met a junction 28 on the m1 . and now junction 28 on the m1. and now the big question is this will lee anderson turn his back on the tories and defect to reform uk ? okay, um, i have some more

uk? okay, um, i have some more information on this. i'll keep it close to my chest for now, but you will find out after this. i'm martin daubney on gb news, news channel . news, britain's news channel. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> hi there. it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast . cloudy for the gb news forecast. cloudy for most of us today. outbreaks of rain moving from west to east, but it will be milder compared with recent days. we've got a warm front moving in that's bringing a slice of mild and moist atlantic air, and it's bringing outbreaks of rain, the wettest weather through the rest of the day will be across western hills, especially wales, north—west england, and then later for western it later for western scotland. it does hs later for western scotland. it does its way south does push its way south eastwards, so a spell of rain through for the through the evening for the south—east and then clearer spells for scotland and northern ireland the end the night,

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next hour. welcome to the show, as always. an absolute pleasure to have your company also coming up shortly , i'll be speaking to up shortly, i'll be speaking to one of the organisers was one of the groups behind the weekly pro—palestine marches that are taking place in london. what would you like to ask him? i'd like to ask him. is it time to stop? have you made your point and with £25 million and rising of public money going on, the policing of these events should you pay policing of these events should you pay the bill? we'll find out what he's got to say in a minute. send me your questions sharpish. and i can put them to him. vaiews@gbnews.com. and also , do you think that that lee also, do you think that that lee anderson should defect to reform? is it time for a revolution , or is he best off revolution, or is he best off being let back into the conservative party? but first, it's conservative party? but first, wsfime conservative party? but first, it's time for your latest news headunes it's time for your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst

i >> -- >> martin, thank you and good afternoon to you. let's bring you some breaking news just in to us from red bull formula one team. we can tell you the principal, christian horner , principal, christian horner, will remain in his post as team principal after being cleared of inappropriate behaviour. principal after being cleared of inappropriate behaviour . an inappropriate behaviour. an investigation was launched earlier this month after he was accused of action against a female colleague. the 50 year old, who's arrived in bahrain today ahead of this weekend's opening race of the formula one season, denied the claim and will on as team principal will stay on as team principal of the british team in a statement, red bull said it's confident that the investigation has been fair, rigorous and impartial . has been fair, rigorous and impartial. but the has been fair, rigorous and impartial . but the main has been fair, rigorous and impartial. but the main news today is that a serial rapist convicted of murdering emma caldwell, who disappeared 19 years ago, has been sentenced to life in prison with a minimum tum to serve of 36 years. the 51 year old ian packer was found guilty of killing the 27 year

old, as well as a series of rapes and assaults over two decades. during the trial , the decades. during the trial, the jury decades. during the trial, the jury visited the site where her body was found in south lanarkshire . police scotland has lanarkshire. police scotland has apologised for failings in the investigation, saying emma caldwell, her family and other victims were let down by policing . in 2005. now farmers policing. in 2005. now farmers are warning the whole industry is at risk if the welsh government goes ahead with proposed changes to subsidies. however laura beddow . will however laura beddow. will outside parliament, they staged a protest against plans which require 20% of agriculture, land to be set aside for trees and wildlife habitats. the labour government insists the changes are necessary to fight climate change, but conceded the plan could still be adjusted at the end of a consultation. unions though, are warning there'll be thousands of job losses and the leader of the welsh

conservatives, andrew davies, told gb news it will be disastrous for the country. well let's not forget people need food to survive and live on their everyday existence, so we're not talking about an industry that industry here that isn't required to feed the nation. >> don't have farmers, >> and if we don't have farmers, we don't have the we don't have food by the government's figures. government's own figures. if this ahead and this scheme goes ahead and changed, 5500 farmers will lose their livelihoods . 125,000 their livelihoods. 125,000 cattle will be lost in wales 800,000 sheep and £200 million worth of economic activity will be lost. so it will be a devastating income impact on rural communities. the length and breadth of wales. >> meanwhile, former rugby referee and farmer nigel owens says the privilege of being at the protest is greater. when he was a referee . was a referee. >> it's taken years and years of hard work to achieve a goal to get a smallholding and a small herd of pedigree herefords , and herd of pedigree herefords, and i do it because i care , because i do it because i care, because i'm passionate about the industry that we are in, not just for our way of life , but just for our way of life, but without farmers . there is no

without farmers. there is no food. there can be no six nafions food. there can be no six nations game in cardiff during next saturday against france , so next saturday against france, so there is no referee . there can there is no referee. there can be no food on the table if there is no farmers . well also in the is no farmers. well also in the news today, the duke of sussex plans to appeal a high court ruling after losing a challenge against the government over his personal security . personal security. >> prince harry launched legal action in february 2020 when he was told he would no longer be given the same degree of tax payer funded protection, while in uk . his payer funded protection, while in uk. his lawyers told payer funded protection, while in uk . his lawyers told the in the uk. his lawyers told the court his children wouldn't feel at home if they couldn't be kept safe. the government had argued prince harry's protection should be because it's be dismissed because it's considered on a case by case bafis. considered on a case by case basis . the considered on a case by case basis. the home office has welcomed the ruling and says it's now considering its next steps. mps are facing threats to their safety will get extra security as part of a new £31 million government package . million government package. concerns are growing now about mps being targeted by protesters

since the outbreak of the israel hamas war, the home office says the money will be used to increase private sector security provision and all elected representatives will have a dedicated name, police contact to liaise with policing . to liaise with policing. minister chris philp says democracy can't function if members aren't safe. >> it's vital for democracy that elected representatives , members elected representatives, members of parliament and others can discharge their duties without fear or intimidation. if mps can't do their jobs and use their judgement without any can't do their jobs and use theirjudgement without any sort their judgement without any sort of external intimidation, then democracy itself can't function well. >> labour mp matthew pennycook supports the move . supports the move. >> i think every mp, particularly over recent years , particularly over recent years, has experienced threats . has experienced threats. >> some of my colleagues in far greater numbers than i certainly have, particularly female mps . have, particularly female mps. and i think intimidation , and i think intimidation, threats and hate crime have absolutely no place in our democracy . and we think the

democracy. and we think the government are right to be taking action on this. no one, either for themselves or their families, should face threats simply because of the role they play simply because of the role they play in the democratic process . play in the democratic process. >> uh, let me just bring you some breaking news. we're receiving from the english channel. i can tell you , uh, a channel. i can tell you, uh, a major search is now underway for gb news understands uk and french authorities are searching for victims after three are reported to have gone missing . reported to have gone missing. um, we understand that the bodies of at least three suspected migrants are thought to have been pulled from the water after an incident in the channel this afternoon . in that channel this afternoon. in that search, ongoing . and, uh, the search, ongoing. and, uh, the french authorities are suggesting that there could be more victims the water. more victims in the water. reports fourth body has been reports of fourth body has been spotted floating in the spotted sadly floating in the sea there as bad weather sweeps back into the channel we'll try and get you more detail on that , and get you more detail on that, but it does seem that three have perished in the english channel

this afternoon . so that's the this afternoon. so that's the news for for greater news for now. for greater clarity on those news stories, do scan the qr code on the screen right now or go to gb news. com slash alerts . thank news. com slash alerts. thank you polly. >> and of course we'll have lots more on that breaking news story very shortly about the search and rescue operation in the channel. but we start this hour with the that we broke with the story that we broke exclusively on this show yesterday at 5 pm, and that is that lee anderson's meeting with the leader of reform uk, richard tice . the pair met on sunday tice. the pair met on sunday amid speculation that anderson could defect to reform after he lost the tory whip last weekend. of course, that was because he came on this show at 5:00 on friday and made those comments about sadiq khan and cabinet office minister alex burgess and labour mp stella creasy . they labour mp stella creasy. they clashed when they discussed

anderson's comments on gb news this lunchtime. i want to live in trump's america . in trump's america. >> i probably think you don't want to either, alex. we've got a choice to make whether we're going bring and import that going to bring and import that kind behaviour here or kind of behaviour here or actually when it happens, just say lee anderson, say sorry, lee anderson, because he and he said he can't say sorry. and he said in that article not going in that article he's not going to guys, um, and to apologise, guys, if um, and it's that you use it's interesting that you use the read the word nuance, having read lee's actually lee's piece where he actually goes to make that goes out of his way to make that new, or saying, i really i'm not criticising 99.99% of the muslim community. >> so just read that and you >> so you just read that and you didn't refer to which is a didn't refer to it, which is a bit disappointing he says. i'm bit disappointing, he says. i'm not criticising 99.99% of muslim people in this country. what i am saying is that there are very small of extremists who small minority of extremists who we have to call out, and i think that's absolutely one of that's absolutely right. one of my colleagues my friends and colleagues was killed by islamic extremist. my friends and colleagues was killehadi islamic extremist. my friends and colleagues was kille had one islamic extremist. my friends and colleagues was kille had one islimy: extremist. my friends and colleagues was kille had one islimy colleagues i've had one of my colleagues have burnt down by have their office burnt down by extremists, and we've had protests outside of a colleague's house. these are very sensitive subjects, and it's quite right that mps feel that they can stand up to that tiny minority of extremists.

>> alex jo was my friend. so was david. >> i know that well. i'm making the point. david amess making my friend my side . friend from my side. >> but is not about islam >> but this is not about islam and what he did in that article and what he did in that article and what he did in that article and what says in the daily and what he says in the daily express, says, i'm not going express, he says, i'm not going to differentiation express, he says, i'm not going to the fferentiation express, he says, i'm not going to the fferei majority express, he says, i'm not going to the ffereimajority . how between the vast majority. how have we got hope? >> and i hope you'll listen to what said piece , what lee said in that piece, because you didn't you didn't refer in the article. refer to it in the article. yeah. and you refer to it yeah. and you didn't refer to it in remarks, did you? in your remarks, did you? >> i did read article. >> i did i did read the article. >> i did i did read the article. >> refer to it just >> you didn't refer to it just now you summarising now when you were summarising it. to respond to your >> why not to respond to your question? fact question? i've read the fact that he says he's not going to apologise, i think. are you saying okay, saying that language is okay, that say that that when he tried to say that sadiq because of his sadiq khan, because of his religious background, was connected people connected to all these people that okay thing a that that is an okay thing for a politician to say. i don't think you believe that, alex. i just think we've a position think we've gotten to a position in politics where in british politics now where people sides. people have to take sides. let's come and say, actually, come together and say, actually, we america here. >> okay. it all kicked off >> okay. well, it all kicked off earlier and joined earlier and i'm joined the studio by our political correspondent katherine forster. so catherine, it's become a huge

mexican standoff. they after day. now lee anderson has adamantly claimed he will not apologise. and we had tim lawton in from the home affairs select committee earlier in the show . committee earlier in the show. he said the only way back is to apologise. echoing james cleverly's position yesterday, it seems increasingly likely there's no way back for him into there's no way back for him into the conservative party now. >> well, sorry really does seem to be the hardest word, doesn't it? and of course , lee anderson it? and of course, lee anderson is digging in and you know, when he made those comment he admitted he'd been clumsy number 10 wanted him to apologise when he wouldn't. they took the whip off him . now, clearly there's off him. now, clearly there's regret in number 10 and the conservative party more broadly at losing him because he speaks in a way that resonates with many people up and down the country . he says things in a way country. he says things in a way that rishi sunak can can't. that's why they brought him in. he's really valuable to them. they don't want to lose him, but

many people feel that he crossed the line with those comments now. he said yes , i was clumsy now. he said yes, i was clumsy and he's gone out of his way to stress 99.9% of muslims are good, honest , decent people. good, honest, decent people. this is about a small number of extreme lists, but the fact that he conflated a muslim mayor of london with extremists , he would london with extremists, he would say he's talking about the protests , the fact that the protests, the fact that the mayor is ultimately in charge of policing, that he hasn't cracked down on them . but it's very down on them. but it's very difficult. and he seems like he's not going to budge . the he's not going to budge. the conservative party, for their part , feel he can only come back part, feel he can only come back if he expresses regret. i'm sure he wishes he'd phrased those comments differently on your show last week, but we are where we are and my goodness, why would the reform party not want him? i imagine they would welcome him with open arms .

welcome him with open arms. >> well, we know that they met on sunday. tuc and lee. um, if i'm a gambling man, i think lee's going to go . i do, i think lee's going to go. i do, i think now they've both dug in. they're both their positions are so recalcitrant. neither can back. the tories can't back down. they can't allow him back in on his terms . he's can't allow him back in on his terms. he's said he won't go back in on their terms. that could change behind the scenes . could change behind the scenes. we know things are like, we know what things are like, but if he goes to reform , it but if he goes to reform, it will give them undeniably a big boost, particularly in the red wall. the last general election , wall. the last general election, catherine, as you know, was one and lost in the red wall. it could be a crucial move and it could be a crucial move and it could be a crucial move and it could be very it could be very stabilising for the conservative ground game in the red wall. >> yes. i mean, it'd be dreadful for the conservatives if he goes to because he won that to reform because he won that seat in 2019. uh, you know, the brexit party as they were then, were nowhere to be seen. >> i stood against him. i was the brexit party candidate. he

annihilated me. >> i know you did. with your 5. i wasn't going to mention. but anyway, um, but but yes, but you know, he is a man of the area. he's , very popular in that he's very, very popular in that area. and more broadly, if he decides to go, i would think it's quite likely he that reform could win that seat. and also, what message does it send to dis affected conservative voters who are fed up with the tories? but who are natural conservative voters ? if a man like lee voters? if a man like lee anderson goes to reform , it's anderson goes to reform, it's not a message that number 10 will want to see. and of course, they're very worried about reform eating into their votes. and ultimately, the fact that it's likely to have is to mean that the tories lose more seats, not necessarily that reform will win them. and if it's all to keir starmer's advantage . yeah. keir starmer's advantage. yeah. >> well i think this one has got some legs. thank you very much catherine. we have to move on because we've got some more some news that broke breaking because we've got some more some news that that broke breaking because we've got some more some news that we that broke breaking because we've got some more some news that we broke roke breaking because we've got some more some news that we broke roke areaking because we've got some more some news that we broke roke a fewing story that we broke just a few minutes ago . and there are

minutes ago. and there are reports that the bodies of at least suspected migrants least three suspected migrants are have been pulled are believed to have been pulled from water after an incident from the water after an incident in of the english in the middle of the english channel this afternoon . and channel this afternoon. and joining now for more details joining me now for more details on this is home and on this story is our home and security editor , mark white. security editor, mark white. mark, another tragedy in the channel? do we know any more details ? details? >> yeah , more loss of life in >> yeah, more loss of life in the channel from the initial information that we've got, we're awaiting the home office to put out a statement confirming this. but that the information, as we understand it, is an incident that unfold in french waters . and initially in french waters. and initially involving, um , we think involving, um, we think a migrant boat with three people pulled from the water, three described to us as dead bodies were pulled from the water. also reports that another body may have been spotted floating. uh, face down in the water. but that body, as we understand it, has not yet been recovered . offered

not yet been recovered. offered now, as we speak . sukh. uh, not yet been recovered. offered now, as we speak. sukh. uh, uk lifeboat and border force vessels. coastguard helicopter and a coastguard plane are up assisting french authorities. uh, this time they're also looking at an area around the varne lightship, uh, which is about nine miles or so south—west of dover. and it's an area between the varne light shift and the m. uh mchp buoy , shift and the m. uh mchp buoy, which is further down towards saint margaret's bay. uh, that is, of course, in uk waters now , is, of course, in uk waters now, what we don't understand, because , uh, as yet, we don't because, uh, as yet, we don't have all the full information to hand. have all the full information to hand . uh, whether this is hand. uh, whether this is related to that first incident involving leaving the recovery of three bodies or whether this is a separate incident, i've got to you that weather to tell you that weather conditions in the english channel conditions in the english channel, speak are pretty channel, as we speak are pretty horrendous. the weather, horrendous. uh, the weather, there was a slight weather window today which people

smugglers, as they always do take, took advantage of that. and they pushed a number of small boats out into the english channel from these french beaches. uh, we can also report that at least six small boats have made it across today into uk waters, with, we think, at least 300 people on board these vessels . um, least 300 people on board these vessels. um, and that if that is confirmed, martin would be the highest one day total of small boat migrant arrivals in a february uh, in the month of february. since this crisis beganin february. since this crisis began in 2018. in fact, the previous record was just surpassed last weekend when 290 migrants crossed in five small boats. so very busy out there, really treacherous , uh, weather really treacherous, uh, weather conditions with high winds and waves now are can't produce or filmed as the dungeness lifeboat

carrying about 40 migrants arrived into dover harbourjust within the last hour, fighting through, battling through those waves and winds as they try to get to dover harbour. so not pleasant conditions at all. out there. very dangerous . and now there. very dangerous. and now we're looking at more in the way of deaths in the english channel. >> thank you for that update, mark white and that's three confirmed dead in the channel 12 perished last year. confirmed dead in the channel 12 perished last year . and the perished last year. and the record in 20 2127 people died making that crossing. and of course we'll have lots more on this tragedy throughout the show. now yesterday we covered the shocking story that it's cost the metropolitan police £25 million to police the pro—palestine protests in london since october and now the home secretary, james cleverly, has urged those protesters to stop demonstrating. he told the times today the question i ask myself is what are these protests genuine , hoping to achieve? they

genuine, hoping to achieve? they have made their point and they made it very , very loudly. and made it very, very loudly. and i'm not sure that these marchers, every couple of weeks add value to the argument . add value to the argument. they're not really saying anything new. so will these protests stop ? well, let's ask protests stop? well, let's ask now. arthur west from the scottish friends of palestine, who joins us on the show. arthur, welcome to the show . arthur, welcome to the show. thanks for joining arthur, welcome to the show. thanks forjoining us. james thanks for joining us. james cleverly has said you've made your point . it's time to stop. your point. it's time to stop. are you going to listen to him ? are you going to listen to him? >> no, i'm afraid we have to keep the activity going because we are really looking for you know, the british political, the british political parties to call for a clear ceasefire and a move towards , um, you know, move towards, um, you know, peace and justice for the palestine people. >> so i'm afraid we're in a situation where the various activities, demonstrations and gatherings in small towns will continue . continue. >> okay. and what about this, um, notion of what happened last

wednesday? from the rivers to the sea projected onto big ben , the sea projected onto big ben, parliament square. i was there, the police were standing by idly. they weren't arresting anybody in full face. balaclava as that image was beamed around the world. a lot of people find that extremely offensive. they think it's shorthand for genocide. do you think these kinds of tactics are that are actually winning hearts and minds, or just dividing the nafion? minds, or just dividing the nation? no no, i mean, certainly the evidence i've got i mean, i can speak for myself and other people, certainly when i'm doing pubuc people, certainly when i'm doing public work and i'm not, i actually don't really particularly work in the cities, but that people are really, you know, very , you know, very know, very, you know, very shocked by what, uh, there's really government in the military are doing and really , military are doing and really, you know, i think because of some of the personal stories to give the media credit, some of the personal stories that the media have put over about whole families being wiped out. >> i think, um, people are generally not everybody, but people are, in my experience, are generally you

are generally supportive of, you know , the protests and the know, the protests and the activities . activities. >> yeah. sure people that >> yeah. i'm sure people that you talk to might be, but meanwhile on streets of meanwhile on the streets of london, seen huge london, we've seen a huge anti—semitic think anti—semitic boom. do you think these, messages being these, these messages being projected this are helping? projected like this are helping? i mean, they are dividing communities ? communities? >> well, i don't i don't really think they are , um, dividing think they are, um, dividing communities. i mean, i think, um , you know, the situation, i mean, we've got to concentrate on the situation, this, this is an absolute humanitarian disaster . i an absolute humanitarian disaster. i mean, an absolute humanitarian disaster . i mean, 30,000 people, disaster. i mean, 30,000 people, uh , have been killed. children uh, have been killed. children uh, have been killed. children uh, aid workers, journalists . uh, aid workers, journalists. it's i mean, it's an absolutely true , sick, um, situation . and, true, sick, um, situation. and, um, that's why , you know, across um, that's why, you know, across society , people are protesting, society, people are protesting, but not just protesting. you know, they're silent vigils , you know, they're silent vigils, you know, they're silent vigils, you know, faith communities. uh you know, faith communities. uh you know, are involved and, and politicians, you know , it's politicians, you know, it's beyond politics. you know, sometimes you just got to take a

humanitarian view of a situation and say, right, i'm going to stand up for what's what's decent and humanitarian . and too decent and humanitarian. and too many of them are not really prepared to do that. um, with some notable exceptions, although these protests began, the next weekend after the hamas invasion of israel, a lot of people think these marches support hamas. >> i mean , are you clear in your >> i mean, are you clear in your mind ? are hamas terrorists ? mind? are hamas terrorists? >> yeah, yeah. no, not nothing . >> yeah, yeah. no, not nothing. could be nothing could be further from the truth . you know what? >> hamas aren't terrorists. >> hamas aren't terrorists. >> don't don't don't support , >> don't don't don't support, uh, hamas. you know, they don't support hamas. but i mean, there's a united nations general secretary said, you know , hamas, secretary said, you know, hamas, hamas didn't come out of a of a vacuum and things just didn't start on october the 7th as a context in a very sad history to this . but, context in a very sad history to this. but, um, you know, nobody in these demonstrations, you know, supports violence, particularly political violence that kills people . and the

that kills people. and the demonstrations are about a call about a call for peace . about a call for peace. >> and we're living there have been lots of arrests, although there have been lots of arrests on these marches. and the police said their statement said in their statement yesterday, as as the £25 yesterday, as well as the £25 million price, as there have been hate crimes, every single time these marches have gone out, can you please condemn those hate crimes and call for peace ? peace? >> yeah. i'm cool. i'm i'm i'm calling for peace, you know, and, um , you know, i think , you and, um, you know, i think, you know, there's been there's been a lot of marches. i mean, i think, i think, i think the, the, the one of the people from palestine solidarity campaign has probably been about 900, um, protests . yes. and there's been protests. yes. and there's been arrests. but compared to, for instance, arrests that could happen at that number of football matches or a big music festival. so it's kind of got to be seen in context. i mean, i'm not supporting i mean, people, you should most you know, should behave and most people behave peacefully. people do behave peacefully. and, um , you know, that's, and, um, you know, that's, that's, that's a situation, you know, with i mean, certainly i

can speak about my experience . can speak about my experience. you know, people conduct themselves peacefully. people want to see i mean, there's a lot of people really upset, you know, not just political activists, but the public are really upset by what they're seeing you people being seeing, you know, people being killed families being killed whole families being wiped it's no wonder wiped out. and it's no wonder that there's protest and other activities . activities. >> okay. well, arthur west from the scottish friends of palestine, thank you for joining us on the show. and give us giving your candid opinion. giving us your candid opinion. please touch. viewers out please get in touch. viewers out there, what do you make of that ? there, what do you make of that? he thinks that these should be allowed of allowed to go on. we do, of course, a free and open course, live in a free and open democracy, but are they going too far? gb views at gb news. com now moving on. it's been yet another bad day for prince harry. he's lost his high court challenge against the home office level office over the level of security he when he visits security he gets when he visits the uk . security he gets when he visits the uk. boo—hoo i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. it's approaching 428. you're watching or listen to martin daubney on gb news. now a reminder of this hours gb news. now a reminder of this hour's breaking news story. and there are reports that the bodies of at least three suspected migrants are believed to have been pulled from the water after an incident in the middle of the english channel. this afternoon . and now the news this afternoon. and now the news of a very damaging defeat for prince harry again. and he's lost his high court challenge against the home office over that decision to change the level of his personal security when he visits the u.k, however , when he visits the u.k, however, harry, being harry, is going to try to appeal the ruling once again to pick over this now i'm joined in our studio in westminster by royal correspondent cameron walker. cameron, welcome to the studio. always a pleasure. another court appearance and the defeat for harry. >> yeah, it's certainly a bit of a bitter blow for prince harry, let's say. so when he stood back

as a working member of the royal family, a home office committee decided is decided that prince harry is no longer entitled taxpayer longer entitled to taxpayer funded police, same level as funded police, the same level as taxpayer police taxpayer funded police protection. is in the protection. when he is in the uk. protection. when he is in the u.k. prince harry then decided to sue said committee for various reasons. i suppose to sue said committee for various reasons . i suppose the various reasons. i suppose the main was, he alleged that main one was, he alleged that members royal household, members of the royal household, who disagreements with, who he had disagreements with, were part of that committee, making the decision to take away his in words, his security. in other words, a kind of punishment for megxit , kind of punishment for megxit, as the judge this as it were. the judge this morning disagreed with that assessment and said that the home office's decision or the decision was not irrational, not unlawful, and was not procedurally unfair. unlawful, and was not procedurally unfair . prince procedurally unfair. prince harry is now appealing that ruling, which will happen at a later date . his lawyer says that later date. his lawyer says that the duke is not asking for preferential treatment, but for fair and lawful application of the rules of the home office and cameron. >> one fascinating story within this was that near catastrophic car chase , as harry's team call car chase, as harry's team call it, that happened. the paparazzi in new york and cameron, this

falls into one of those recollections may vary moments. >> yeah, this was very deep within the judge's ruling today. so if you remember, back in may 2023, prince harry's spokesperson put out a statement saying they were involved in a near catastrophic car chase in new at the time , mayor new york. at the time, mayor adams of new york city and an nypd spokesperson both disputed that claim by prince harry's spokesperson. but today, in black and white, in court documents, an nypd d senior official, the chief of intelligence, no less, said the investigation found about this so—called car chase that there was reckless disregard of vehicle and traffic laws, persistently dangerous and unacceptable behaviour on the part of the paparazzi, and there was sufficient evidence to arrest two individuals for reckless endangerment. >> but the key moment is no formal charges have been brought against anyone. my point is that it was made out to be like something out of grand theft auto. an actual fact a few red

lights seemed to have been jumped. yeah in a gridlocked new york city. >> so that's kind of the allegation. but then it's like two nypd , pd officials two separate nypd, pd officials are saying separate things about this alleged car chase that happenedin this alleged car chase that happened in gridlocked new york city. | happened in gridlocked new york city. i think this is another case, as you said, martin of recollections may vary behalf recollections may vary on behalf of this harry. meghan, of this of harry. meghan, because cameron and how because of cameron and how quickly a lot quickly on prince william, a lot of are getting in touch. of people are getting in touch. >> news very concerned about >> gb news very concerned about him his his him pulling out of his his appointment dramatically at the last minute yesterday and the starting to say, is it because there's an issue around princess? >> it was incredibly last minute kensington palace shows us that the princess is still doing well, but what they didn't do was rule out the reason prince william for not being there was to do with princess catherine. they are to go into any they are refusing to go into any further more further details. if we get more information, course we'll information, of course we'll keep . keep you updated. >> cameron walker. as >> aslef cameron walker. as always . excellent. thank always. excellent. thank you. now there's lots more still to come between now and 6:00 and i'll ask why. emmanuel macron, the sized napoleon , wants the pint sized napoleon, wants nato troops to go into the

ukraine. does he really want to drag us into a full scale war with russia or what? what's he playing at? but first, here's your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst . polly middlehurst. >> the top stories this hour gb news. sources say the bodies of at least three suspected migrants have been pulled from the water english channel the water in the english channel after an incident there this afternoon . now, a major search afternoon. now, a major search and rescue operation is underway . day and gb news understands uk and french authorities are cooperating in this operation . cooperating in this operation. it's feared there may be more victims following reports a fourth body has been spotted in the water. also in the news serial rapist ian packer has been jailed for life with a minimum time to serve of 36 years for murdering a sex worker in glasgow. 27 year old emma caldwell disappeared 19 years ago. her body was later found in

south lanarkshire . 51 year old south lanarkshire. 51 year old packer, who targeted the red light district, was also found guilty of a series of rapes and assaults over two decades. police scotland has apologised for its failings in the investigation , saying emma's investigation, saying emma's family and many other victims were let down in 2005 and red bull's christian horner will remain in post as team principal after being cleared of inappropriate behaviour. after being cleared of inappropriate behaviour . a inappropriate behaviour. a female colleague made a complaint earlier this month which triggered an investigation. he's always denied the claim . in denied the claim. in a statement, red bull said it was confident the investigation into the allegation had been fair, rigorous and impartial and added the complainant had the right to appeal and farmers are warning the whole industry is at risk. the welsh government goes ahead with the proposed changes to subsidies outside parliament. thousands of people staged a protest against plans which require 20% of agriculture land to be set aside for trees and

wildlife habitats. the labour government insists changes are necessary to fight climate change, but conceded the plan could still be adjusted at the end of a consultation on. for the latest news stories, do sign up for gb news alerts. scan that qr code on your screen right now or go to gb news. com slash alerts . alerts. >> thank you paula. now the threats faced by politicians on a daily basis have got so bad that the government is now spending £31 million of taxpayers money on beefing up security for mps discussing that next. i'm martin daubney on gb news britain's news

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tobias ellwood home was targeted earlier this month by the pro—palestine protesters , and pro—palestine protesters, and his wife and kids were inside at the time, and the family homes of both rishi sunak and sir keir starmer have been set upon by environmental protesters recently. well, i'm joined now in our westminster studio by the labour mp peter dowd and the tory peer lord robert hayward. gentlemen, thank you very much for joining us. let us start forjoining us. let us start with you . um, £31 million. and i with you. um, £31 million. and i have to be blunt, you know, i've got hundreds of emails have come in onto the show today. lord hayward , and they're saying, why hayward, and they're saying, why should taxpayers have to pay for a problem, which seems to have been created singly by the failure of the government and the police to crack down on the mob on the streets? since october 7? >> i think that's not a fair judgement in terms of security. >> there's been a problem for years. all politicians, not just mps , but members of the house of mps, but members of the house of lords as well, mps, but members of the house of lords as well , have faced lords as well, have faced difficulties. there are

questions in terms of policing, but police cannot be there all the time. you cannot have individual policemen protecting every single politician , but every single politician, but there needs to be some forms of security and i was subjected when i was an mp to serious security problems because i was working against the iraqis and against the ira. but the problems now are much greater than they used to be, and therefore action does have to be taken. peter of course, this isn't just something that's been directed at conservative mps tobias ellwood and of course, mike freer standing down after what happened to david amess >> of course, sir keir starmer has been chased off the train in scotland. anneliese dodds on friday night at a labour meeting . angela rayner, rachel reeves, has been harassed by pro—palestinian protesters while out doing their ground campaign . out doing their ground campaign. is the problem that we're not deaung is the problem that we're not dealing with that at source? £31 million is a lot of money to

throw at something which the police just seem to stand off. >> i think this has been coming for a time . for a time. >> people talk about social media, people just able to go onto social media, say what they want, when they want, where they onto social media, say what they want, andn they want, where they onto social media, say what they want, and about want, where they onto social media, say what they want, and about whom where they onto social media, say what they want, and about whom theye they onto social media, say what they want, and about whom they want( onto social media, say what they want, and about whom they want, and are no consequences. >> well, that's that's okay. consequences. >> ifell, that's that's okay. consequences. >> if they're:'s that's okay. consequences. >> if they're not1at's okay. consequences. >> if they're not going kay. consequences. >> if they're not going to 1. consequences. >> if they're not going to be any consequences. that then though, feeds in whole though, feeds in to whole environment of aggressiveness. abusiveness that you can say in whatever you want , whenever you want. >> so that then has consequences because we are public figures, figures , and we then can be the figures, and we then can be the focus of the attention. so many of my colleagues are the focus of my colleagues are the focus of the attention. and to be honest, it's not our fault that people , in a sense, are people, in a sense, are challenging us or being abusive to us. so there's a responsibility . as for me, as responsibility. as for me, as a taxpayer , to say, if i was in taxpayer, to say, if i was in the if i wasn't an mp, would i want our mps to be protected or our politicians or members of the house of lords or whoever, to be public figures to be protected? >> and i would say, well, yes, i

do. >> it's not there fault, but the frustration people have is that yesterday the story was there are no go zones in london and britain. >> everyone was outraged that that even tabled as that was even tabled as a motion. now mps are saying the streets are a no go zone for them and particularly parliament. saw last parliament. we saw last wednesday and the palestinian solidarity campaign admitted they tried to get 1000 people inside of parliament and that affected what was happening at that vote. that that disgraceful scenes in parliament last wednesday. so is it a case of double standards? it's like that. don't be don't be ridiculous. ridiculous. there are no no go zones. but now mps are no no go zones. but now mps are too afraid to even go into parliament. well i don't necessarily agree with the argument that there no go zones. >> that's that's in sense not >> that's that's in a sense not a different i don't a different argument. i don't necessarily that. necessarily accept that. >> i have a phrase like lots >> i, i have a phrase like lots of people do. are we of people do. we are where we are. we to deal with what are. we have to deal with what we've we've got now, if things, so calm down. so to speak, calm down. >> in due course, there would be a review of security for members

of parliament. >> always a review as part of parliament. >>a always a review as part of parliament. >>a security ys a review as part of parliament. >>a security risk review as part of parliament. >>a security risk assessment. rt of a security risk assessment. it happens all the time . it happens all the time. >> goes up, goes down. we have that now. don't we? you sometimes see it, you that now. don't we? you sometimes see it , you know, sometimes see it, you know, threat at this threat threat level at this threat level that, it goes down level at that, and it goes down or up depending on the circumstances. >> lord hayward, let me turn to you. >> so james cleverly has been very he's very queensberry rules. he's saying, it's to saying, i think it's time to stop marches you've stop these marches now. you've made point. not made your point. they're not going that. they going to listen to that. they ban marchers in france. ban these marchers in france. they germany . they banned them in germany. surely we save millions of surely we could save millions of pounds the same here. pounds by doing the same here. >> a different >> i think that's a different issue a different approach. >> we british. handle >> we are british. we handle demonstrations in a way, in france. but we're not handling in france . they turn water in france. they turn water cannon on nurses. now, nobody in britain would accept that . what britain would accept that. what we're talking about here is an approach to demonstrations , approach to demonstrations, which is british. and james cleverly has made his comments. the security for politicians is something, to be honest, none of us want. we would love to be able to go about our daily work

in our constituencies, in other parts of the country . we parts of the country. we unharassed it's just that because certain things are now happening, the temperature has risen, the home secretary and the police are taking sensible decisions . and as peter said, if decisions. and as peter said, if the temperature goes down somewhat , then you'll review it somewhat, then you'll review it and you'll take away some of those security costs . we would those security costs. we would love that to be the case. but it is being british about it working. >> i mean, for example, lee anderson, you know , he made his anderson, you know, he made his comments about the situation in london. now, you may disagree with his methodology. it's like a it's like a note tied to a house brick. right. sometimes the way he talks . but we seem to the way he talks. but we seem to have stuck our head in the sand about the issue of islamism and extremism on our streets. that seems to be behind some of the mindset of these marchers. and yet, when it's raised, we scream about islamophobia and we don't deal with the issue. you use the terms we in several ways.

>> there , and i think it's a bit >> there, and i think it's a bit different. no, it's different groups who are reacting in different ways. and there is no question in my mind that the police do have some questions to answer about why they have not dean answer about why they have not dealt with certain things, but equally , the demonstrators have equally, the demonstrators have questions to answer. you said about the shining of from the river to the sea on big ben, you have to ask why are demonstrations starting each time they do close to a synagogue , the pro—palestinian. synagogue, the pro—palestinian. so there , everybody's got so there, everybody's got questions to answer . and the questions to answer. and the right approach is to tackle them slowly, sensibly and calmly. and if people don't respond in that way, then action needs to be taken against them . but taken against them. but uncertain, uncertain, unfortunately , there are certain unfortunately, there are certain minorities within society who will take action regardless, and that's what we're trying to address in terms of security here. >> peter, do you think this

british, this soft soaping route 7 british, this soft soaping route ? i know we're talking now about the protests and not about , ? i know we're talking now about the protests and not about, um, mp security, but the two are to go hand in glove. and i mean, this £31 million has been put forward now in, i would argue, in direct response to, to the increased tension on the streets caused by the marchers since october the 7th. surely we need to clamp down a bit harder . to clamp down a bit harder. would labour if you're in power just stand by and watch these things happen week after week after week? or is it time to draw a line in the sand? >> now let me let me put >> now look, let me let me put it like this is that there are already security measures in place mp depending upon what place for mp depending upon what the there there the threat is, there is as there always have been since i became always have been since i became a member of parliament. always have been since i became a nyomer of parliament. always have been since i became a nyou get>f parliament. always have been since i became a nyou get securitynent. always have been since i became a nyou get security checks. the >> you get security checks. the police come regularly to your constituency police come regularly to your constitthey're already in place >> so they're already in place and i just repeat, sometimes those security measures peak up and sometimes they go down. the other aspect to it is that people who might, might have, uh , may just react to sets of

circumstances, and that happens all the time. >> what we're seeing now , it >> what we're seeing now, it just seems to be more public sukh it seems to be more out there, but lots of the security measures that go on are pretty, um , let me say silent. um, let me say silent. >> let me put it like that. >> let me put it like that. >> all right. we'll have to leave it there. gentlemen, thank you very much for joining us. peter dowd, labour and tory peter dowd, labour mp and tory peen peter dowd, labour mp and tory peer, hayworth peer, lord roberts. hayworth thank you very for joining thank you very much for joining us studio. and us in the studio. and a spectacular ties you've spectacular pair of ties you've got gentlemen. thank you got there, gentlemen. thank you for in. now raf, air for coming in. now raf, air cadets have told members to stop using the word mark osman. you've guessed it. as part of a gender neutral rebrand . what on gender neutral rebrand. what on earth is happening to our armed forces? putin must be quaking in his boots. i'm not in daubney on gb news, britain's news channel .

welcome back. it's 451. you're watching . or listen to martin watching. or listen to martin daubney on gb news now at 5:00. i'll have lots more on this hours i'll have lots more on this hour's breaking news. and there are reports that the bodies of at least three suspected migrants are believed to have been pulled from the water after an incident in the middle of the engush an incident in the middle of the english channel. this afternoon . english channel. this afternoon. now, in the latest disaster for our armed forces, our woke army, royal air force cadets have been ordered ordered members to stop using the word mark osman and marksmanship as part of a gender neutral rebrand. putin will be petrified and this of course, is coming after a row with the ministry of defence over diversity policies which have led to defence secretary grant shapps intervening over fears about the effectiveness of our armed forces . well, i can get armed forces. well, i can get the view now of social policy analyst doctor raqib hassan. welcome to the show. raqib

always a pleasure. what can you say about this? are you remotely surprised? we have an army now more obsessed with pronouns and diversity and inclusion than actually doing the job? >> well, i'm not surprised at all when it comes to the royal air force, as we know. um this is an organisation which is found to, uh , conduct unlawful found to, uh, conduct unlawful activities in its recruitment processes in its ethnic minority. uh recruitment drive where you had recruitment officers referring to the useless white male pilots . so useless white male pilots. so this latest identitarian embarrassment doesn't come as any surprise to me at all. and i think the main issue here is that in the sphere of defence, we're seeing a lot of this identitarian thinking, um, in an effort to be more inclusive. but i think in a sense that this, this culture, this unholy trinity of diversity, equity , trinity of diversity, equity, inclusion, it actually put people off, i think, in terms of joining these organisations . joining these organisations. >> well, you're absolutely right. and the figures back that up, rakesh. we've got the

smallest army since napoleonic times, the smallest raf since it was formed after world war one. so many broken ships, they're being decommissioned . we've got being decommissioned. we've got no missiles to fire. and our trident launch was about as effective as a box of fireworks. meanwhile, raqib , we've got 93 meanwhile, raqib, we've got 93 diversity networks , including diversity networks, including ten for gender issues. diversity networks, including ten for gender issues . plus, ten for gender issues. plus, we're about to not give any more money to defence. meanwhile putin is spending 8% of gdp on defence and is on a war footing and we are worried about pronouns . how on earth do we pronouns. how on earth do we sort this nonsense out? well i firstly, i'd make the point, martin, that we're in this, uh, dire situation . dire situation. >> after 14 years of tory led rule. it's quite remarkable to see these, um, developments in the spheres of defence and security. and it's quite shameful , really, that we have shameful, really, that we have this developing de infrastructure, developing in these spheres when many of the people who have the responsibility of protecting our

interests, putting their lives on the line, are actually very poorly paid, martin. and quite often they're given forms of accommodation which are anything but decent. i think there's but decent. so i think there's a grave injustice terms grave injustice there in terms of how do we go about people are talking about, oh, we need a new defence strategy. defence defence and strategy. defence and review . and security strategy review. but is that but the reality is, is that we're devoting enough of our we're not devoting enough of our pubuc we're not devoting enough of our public towards public expenditure towards defence and security. and if we are devoting , um, defence and security. and if we are devoting, um, public expenditure towards it, there's a great deal of wastefulness on these kind of initiatives, which a great deal of wastefulness on th

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gb news. >> a very good afternoon to you. it's 5 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. all across the uk . on today's show, a search uk. on today's show, a search and rescue mission is now underway after reports that at least three suspected migrants were recovered from the english channel. we'll bring you all of the details on this tragedy and also cover the latest on mp safety. in the wake of all those pro—palestine protests, because now the government is spending £31 million pounds of our money on beefing up security around it's taxpayers money to mop up this mess. next i discuss emmanuel macron's extra ordinary suggestion that nato troops could be sent to fight in the ukraine. is he looking for a

war? and we'll find out why. people who provide one of our favourite meals are asking the government help us save our chippies . they're feeling a bit chippies. they're feeling a bit battered by the taxman, and that's all coming up in your next hour . apologies for that next hour. apologies for that poor battered pern. there'll be plenty more to come. you look forward to those as you would look forward to a delicious steaming fish supper. now, i want to hear from you . email me want to hear from you. email me all the usual ways gbviews@gbnews.com. earlier on i ask you about this mp security. £31 million of your money is being used to mop up this mess, andifs being used to mop up this mess, and it's fair to say i had 200 emails in 15 minutes. you're not at all happy about the public purse. your money goes towards the security, protection of mps because you believe that they've simply failed to deal with the mess on our streets since

october the 7th. tons to go through in this next hour. but first, what is your latest news headunes first, what is your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst . martin? >> thank you and good evening . >> thank you and good evening. well, the top story this evening as you've been hearing gb news sources say the bodies of at least three suspected migrants have been pulled from the water after incident in the english after an incident in the english channel this afternoon , a major channel this afternoon, a major search rescue operation is search and rescue operation is now underway, in which uk and french authorities are believed to working together. it's to be working together. it's feared there may be more victims following reports of fourth body has been spotted in the sea, but the main news today is that the serial rapist ian packer , has serial rapist ian packer, has been jailed for life with a minimum time to serve of 36 years for the murder of a sex worker in scotland. 27 year old emma caldwell disappeared 19 years ago and her body was later found in remote woodland in

south lanarkshire, 51 year old packer, who targeted glasgow's red light district, was also found guilty of a series of rapes and assaults over two decades. police scotland has apologised for its failings in the investigation, saying emma's family and many other victims were let down by them . in 2005, were let down by them. in 2005, red bull's christian horner will remain in post as team principal after being cleared of allegations made against him. a female colleague made a complaint of inappropriate behaviour earlier on this month, which triggered an investigation , an he's always denied the claim . in a statement, red bull claim. in a statement, red bull said it's confident that the investigation into the allegation had been fair, rigorous and impartial and added the complainant has the right to appeal farmers are warning that their industry will be at risk if the welsh government goes ahead with proposed changes to farming subsidies. however laura beddow will well outside the

welsh parliament. they protested in full voice against plans which require 20% of agricultural land to be set aside for trees and wildlife habitats. the labour government insists that changes are necessary to fight climate change, but conceded the plan could still be adjusted at the end of a consultation. unions have warned there will be thousands of job losses , and the thousands of job losses, and the leader of the welsh conservatives , andrew davies, conservatives, andrew davies, told gp news it will be disastrous for the country . disastrous for the country. >> well, let's not forget people need food to survive and live on their everyday existence, so we're not talking an we're not talking about an industry isn't industry here that isn't required to feed the nation. and if don't have farmers, we if we don't have farmers, we don't food. by the don't have food. and by the government's figures, if government's own figures, if this ahead and this scheme goes ahead and changed, 5500 farmers will lose their livelihoods . 125,000 their livelihoods. 125,000 cattle will be lost in wales , cattle will be lost in wales, 800,000 sheep and £200 million worth of economic activity will be lost. so it will be a devastating income impact on rural communities. the length and breadth of wales. >> former rugby referee and now farmer nigel owens told protests

those without farmers there's no food . food. >> it's taken years and years of hard work to achieve a goal, >> it's taken years and years of hard work to achieve a goal , to hard work to achieve a goal, to get a smallholding and a small herd of pedigree herefords, and i do it because i care, because i'm passionate about the industry that we're in, not just for our way of life , but without for our way of life, but without farmers. there is no food . there farmers. there is no food. there can be no six nations game in cardiff during next saturday against france, so there is no referee. there can be no food on the table if there is no farmers i >> -- >> well, in other news today the duke of sussex said he faces a greater risk than his late mother with additional layers of racism and extremism. following discussions about the future of his personal safety , the high his personal safety, the high court heard prince harry believed his family faces an international threat. it comes as he plans to appeal a high court ruling after losing a challenge against the government over his personal security. the duke of sussex launched legal

action in february 2020, when he was told he would no longer be given the same degree of taxpayer funded protection, while in the uk, the home office has welcomed the ruling and says it's now considering next steps . it's now considering next steps. mps facing threats to their safety will now get extra security as part of a new £31 million government package . million government package. concerns have been growing about mps being targeted by protesters since the outbreak of the israel—hamas war. the home office says the money will be used to increase private sector security provision and all elected representatives will have a dedicated, named police contact to liaise with policing. minister chris philp says democracy can't function alone if members aren't safe . if members aren't safe. >> it's vital for democracy that elected representatives, members of parliament and others can discharge their duties without fear or intimidation. if mps can't do their jobs and use their judgement without any can't do their jobs and use theirjudgement without any sort their judgement without any sort of external intimidation , then of external intimidation, then democracy itself can't function

very well. the labour mp matthew pennycook supports the move. >> i think every mp, particularly over recent years, has experienced threats. some of my colleagues in far greater numbers than i certainly have, have particularly female mps and i think intimate threats and hate crime have absolutely no place in our democracy . place in our democracy. >> and we think the government are right to be taking action on this. >> no one, either for themselves or their families, should face threats simply because of the role they play in the democratic process . process. >> process. >> that's the news for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts. can that qr code on the screen right now or go to gb news. com slash alerts . news. com slash alerts. >> thank you polly. now we start with that story which broke whilst we've been on air today. and that's gb news has details of emergency playing out in of an emergency playing out in the the english the middle of the english channel the middle of the english channel, and the reports that

the of at least three the bodies of at least three suspected being suspected migrants are being pulled the water, and a pulled from the water, and a major search and rescue mission is currently underway . after is currently underway. after this tragic incident this afternoon . and for more details afternoon. and for more details on this now, let's speak to our home and security editor , mark home and security editor, mark white. mark, welcome back to the show. another tragedy in the channel. what's the latest details ? details? >> well , that rescue operation >> well, that rescue operation is involving vessels from both the uk and france. as well as aircraft coastguard helicop tas and a coastguard plane involved in that search at the moment and conditions out there are absolutely horrific. we want to play absolutely horrific. we want to play some video that we filmed exclusively through our team in dover off the dungeness lifeboat coming back into dover, having picked up a group of migrants battling through the waves and the winds coming into dover harbour. it's utterly horrific.

it's unbelievable that anyone would push small boats out on any given day, but it's completely reckless to be doing that in these kind of weather conditions. our kent producer tells us that the weather is 25 knots and increasing visibility. very poor . knots and increasing visibility. very poor. it's raining at the moment, really whipping up the waves . now the information that waves. now the information that we got is of an incident on the french side of the channel that three bodies had been recovered from , from the water by french from, from the water by french authorities. a fourth body had been spotted floating face down in the water in the area of the varne lightship, which is about nine miles south—west of dover. search and rescue activity in that area, as well , search and rescue activity in that area, as well, and also reports that a small boat is upturned in that area . so lots upturned in that area. so lots of detailed, uh, bits and pieces

coming in, but no proper clear picture of what exactly happened, whether given the very high winds and waves some people were swept off a boat as it was coming across, or whether it was actually a boat that overturned throwing people into the water. we don't know. but as we speak , we don't know. but as we speak, the coastguard is radioing shipping in the english channel, telling those ships and of course, the cross—channel ferries , uh, to be on the ferries, uh, to be on the lookout for people reported in the water. so this incident is still very much ongoing . still very much ongoing. >> why thank you for the latest on that tragic three dead more are being searched for 12, of course , perished last year. the course, perished last year. the record being 27 who perished in 2021. astonishing scenes . the 2021. astonishing scenes. the water is so dangerous and yet those crossings were still attempted. we'll have more on that story as we get more details throughout the show. now

to the increased threat to mp safety, which has been triggered by the protest . of course, of by the protest. of course, of those pro the israel—hamas war since october the 7th and the home secretary , james cleverly, home secretary, james cleverly, has announced now a £31 million protection package for politicians. and of course , that politicians. and of course, that will be paid for by me and you. the good old fashioned british taxpayer . and it the good old fashioned british taxpayer. and it comes after conservative mp tobias elle edwards home as you can see on screen, there was targeted earlier this month by pro—palestine protesters while his wife and children were inside and the family homes of both rishi sunak and sir keir starmer have also been set upon, but this time by environmental protesters. recently labour mp stella creasy spoke to my colleague gloria de piero and chris hope about the scale of the problem . the problem. >> earlier, an article you wrote last week in the guardian saying that public life is drowning in hate and violence . what does hate and violence. what does that mean on a day to day level?

>> it means it's really sad because it means you can't have a proper conversation and actually as mps want actually all of us as mps want to able to talk to our to be able to talk to our constituents. we want to hear people this. people who disagree with this. i like who disagree like hearing people who disagree with makes with me, because it makes me think might think about whether they might have or whether actually have a point or whether actually i'm doing the right you i'm doing the right thing. you can't that people are can't do that if people are screaming at or screaming and shouting at you or sending threats sending you death threats or rape threats and that is rape threats and sadly, that is happening frequently happening a lot more frequently now. angry then now. people start angry and then they questions need they have the questions we need to around. to turn it around. >> is this £31 million of comfort to you? the announcement that government that the government will up the security spending extra security by spending an extra 30? >> i don't want to live in a bubble. i want to be able to go out and chat out in my constituency and chat to love them to to people. i'd love them to spend money finding the people doing this, because it's not democracy. if 50% of the conversation fear conversation is living in fear of it's the people of its life, it's the people doing we need to challenge. >> and that was earlier from prime minister's questions on gb news cleverly wants news james cleverly wants pro—palestine protests to stop, but organisers claim that they have a fundamental right to protest and the participants have been peaceful during those demonstrations . demonstrations. >> i think there is a long

tradition in this country, a very precious tradition of protesting and the right to protesting and the right to protest , and protesting and the right to protest, and i think it's something that has been under attack over the last number of years, with a whole series of new laws that have been passed that make it much more difficult to organise protests , but that to organise protests, but that actually we shouldn't allow any more restrictions on protests at all. and i think that the argument that in some way , the argument that in some way, the protests that we're organising are a threat to politicians or to anyone else, is , quite to anyone else, is, quite frankly, a fiction . it's quite frankly, a fiction. it's quite frankly, a fiction. it's quite frankly, a fiction. it's quite frankly, a fantasy . there have frankly, a fantasy. there have been no incidents of any assault, any physical attacks on any passers by or anyone during the whole of what is an unprecedentedly large cycle of protests involving millions of people . people. >> well, perhaps that fellow is in a parallel universe. i was pelted with eggs last wednesday

at one of those protests. i'm joined now in the studio by our political editor , chris hope. political editor, chris hope. chris earlier on in the show, i asked gb news viewers for their take on this. i was astonished i had 200 replies in about 15 minutes. i want to read out a couple of them to you because there's been a very, very visceral response to this. i asked , is it fair that the asked, is it fair that the taxpayers got to pick up the bill for this? and here's a small a tiny minority of those responses. laura says , is this responses. laura says, is this funny how the government can come up with £31 million to protect themselves, but they can't come up with money for doctors nurses , or indeed doctors and nurses, or indeed our own national protection. john says this i think it's utterly disgusting that £31 million for protection for mps , million for protection for mps, £31 million that should go towards the military to protect all of us. i wonder how much of the £31 million will slip into mps back pockets. that's probably a touch too far, john, but nevertheless, chris, you take the temperature of the nafion take the temperature of the nation and they are not at all

happy. they feel they're picking up the tab for what's basically been seen as soft soap in these protesters since the start . protesters since the start. >> okay. well, yeah, i mean, some of those comments are, you know , not what you might expect know, not what you might expect because we have got mps telling us they are under lot of us they are under a lot of pressure. we've got mike freer being politics being firebombed out of politics because attack on on the because of an attack on on the tory constituency office. tory mps constituency office. um, lindsay hoyle last week we saw him allow a labour amendment to an snp motion to take the pressure off mps locally. he's worried about people being hurt and what we hear. let's work out what the government's announced. a £31 million bodyguards for mps, most at risk. additional police patrols, a hotline the mps can call, any problems, come and find , come, come and come. and find, come, come and come. come to us at and get rid of the protesters. i think people, um, you know, without you know, i think mps are out there. they have to meet with, with constituents. you heard that from creasy on pmqs live from stella creasy on pmqs live earlier. equally, i think earlier. but equally, i think people pressured and people do feel pressured and

they do feel not very safe. and when have pressure being put when you have pressure being put on family members, when on family members, that's when it gets worse. hoyle, it gets worse. lindsay hoyle, who's the house who's the speaker of the house of under pressure who's the speaker of the house of a under pressure who's the speaker of the house of a week under pressure who's the speaker of the house of a week ago,der pressure who's the speaker of the house of a week ago, of' pressure who's the speaker of the house of a week ago, of courseire who's the speaker of the house of a week ago, of course ,5 because a week ago, of course, he amendment he allowed that that amendment to motion on gaza. he to the snp motion on gaza. he welcomes this . he says will welcomes this. he says it will allow us on allow us to build on improvements we've over the improvements we've made over the past working with improvements we've made over the past and working with improvements we've made over the past and the working with improvements we've made over the past and the home ng with improvements we've made over the past and the home office] improvements we've made over the past and the home office to police and the home office to enhance security. mps homes, offices when offices and crucially, when they're meeting they're out and about meeting with constituents. with their constituents. >> under fire as well. >> but he's under fire as well. as things stand, we have 92 mps, have backed a motion of no confidence in his leadership as as speaker of the house of commons is very febrile. as speaker of the house of con butns is very febrile. as speaker of the house of con but going'ery febrile. as speaker of the house of conbut going backzbrile. as speaker of the house of conbut going back toile. as speaker of the house of con but going back to that, yeah, >> but going back to that, yeah, £31 million sounds like quite a lot. i think there is wider lot. but i think there is wider pressure the moment . pressure on mps at the moment. so i think it may some would say it's spent, but can it's money well spent, but i can see news viewers are see why gb news viewers are upset it. well well, upset about it. well well, i just think it's is this a case of treating symptom and not of treating the symptom and not the cause? >> is that the issue? £31 million won't make this go away. so if you police it more aggressively right than you stop it at the source . it at the source. >> but i think this goes to

social media. it goes to physically being at someone's house. you saw the images there from ellwood's house. from tobias ellwood's house. he's for a constituency on he's an mp for a constituency on the south coast. it's across the country. this pressure is being brought bear. brought to bear. >> those got nicked. they >> those people got nicked. they might not do again. might not do it again. >> laws are there. as >> and the laws are there. as we know laws are there know. we know the laws are there to stop the portrayal of language building of language on the building of parliament. you saw for yourself the fact that the projector wasn't being stopped. so the powers are there for the police, wasn't being stopped. so the powits are there for the police, wasn't being stopped. so the powit seemsiere for the police, wasn't being stopped. so the powit seems that for the police, wasn't being stopped. so the powit seems that the he police, wasn't being stopped. so the powit seems that the police ce, wasn't being stopped. so the powit seems that the police are but it seems that the police are happy more. and this is happy to take more. and this is this is for private security, by the for the police. so the way, not for the police. so you'll be for policing you'll be access for policing hotlines, of hotlines, but there's lots of money for security money here for private security to support mps work. money here for private security to sbutort mps work. money here for private security to sbut there 3s work. money here for private security to sbut there are 'ork. money here for private security to sbut there are a'k. money here for private security to sbut there are a lot of people >> but there are a lot of people walking streets of london walking the streets of london too, even out, too, afraid to even go out, particularly in the jewish community. they're not getting private are in some cases community. they're not getting privatis are in some cases community. they're not getting privatis a are in some cases community. they're not getting privatis a degreee in some cases community. they're not getting privatis a degree ofn some cases community. they're not getting privatis a degree of private cases there is a degree of private security in some jewish communities in london that is happening, shameful happening, which is shameful in itself is shameful. of itself, which is shameful. of course it course it's shameful. it shouldn't happen in the shouldn't have to happen in the capital streets of modern day uk. there's no question. uk. um, but there's no question. i think we did see last week, i think moment in politics when

think a moment in politics when lindsay the speaker, did lindsay hoyle, the speaker, did bow to the mob in a sense that he allowed labour mps to vote for their policy rather than choosing between the snp policy or government policy they or government policy as they should under standing should have done under standing orders. and we now seeing orders. and we are now seeing pubuc orders. and we are now seeing public spent try public money being spent to try and won't happen again. >> and the palestine solidarity campaign admitted afterwards they tried get people they tried to get 1000 people inside they tried to get 1000 people insithere going to be an >> there was going to be an organised lobby of which organised lobby of mps which which allow on a big which you do allow on a big debate day. you allow people debate day. you do allow people into i heard into parliament, but i heard from some mps very unhappy that that was allowed at all. and why on earth with people can come here pressure on in here to put pressure on mps in person. what what's the person. and what what's the evidence are? they evidence that they are? they can only in if they're actually only come in if they're actually constituents, if they're not, no proof why can get in? >> and now lot of people, >> and now a lot of people, chris, wrong thinking chris, for wrong thinking that once taxpayer once again, the taxpayer is picking tab. move picking up the tab. let's move on to lee anderson. similar point he's the on to lee anderson. similar pointhat he's the on to lee anderson. similar pointhat raised he's the on to lee anderson. similar pointhat raised this he's the on to lee anderson. similar pointhat raised this issue the on to lee anderson. similar pointhat raised this issue ofe one that raised this issue of the islamist extremism taking hold the streets. he's he's hold of the streets. he's he's been islamophobic hold of the streets. he's he's been and islamophobic hold of the streets. he's he's been and shoutedamophobic hold of the streets. he's he's been and shouted down obic hold of the streets. he's he's been and shouted down ever racist and shouted down ever since. and that's precipitated a situation where it appears, um,

the tory party have dug in and tim loughton, home affairs select committee on the show earlier echoing the position of james cleverly yesterday . there james cleverly yesterday. there could be a way back for lee, but only if he says sorry . only if he says sorry. >> he's not going to say sorry. martin and the politics here, why they got this wrong as we said yesterday, was james cleverly in new york. you heard tim today. tim loughton today. he's a backbenchen tim loughton today. he's a backbencher, not of of backbencher, not part of the of the you know, the government. but you know, they're saying say and they're saying say sorry and we'll back in. lee we'll let you back in. lee anderson being very clear in anderson is being very clear in quite an interesting article for the which the daily express today, which he thousand words of he dictated a thousand words of it we've made it in which we've made clear he's saying he he he's not saying sorry. he he doesn't sadiq khan is doesn't think that sadiq khan is islamist, but he's not going to resile from saying that he and keir were controlled by keir starmer were controlled by islamism . i've got a text from islamism. i've got a text from lee anderson just now while i'm on i asked him , um, any on air. i asked him, um, any update whether are going update on whether you are going to and he says, to join reform uk? and he says, ihave to join reform uk? and he says, i have no idea what you're talking about. >> yeah, yeah, right . okay, so, >> yeah, yeah, right. okay, so, so but we broke the story yesterday at this time .

yesterday at this time. >> that was his talks over the weekend , a meeting with richard weekend, a meeting with richard tice, reform uk leader. tice, the reform uk leader. >> course, he's not >> of course, he's not commenting either, but it's my job out for you, martin, job to find out for you, martin, what's happening. yeah what's really happening. yeah i'm there have i'm pretty certain there have been. there have been. well, i know there have been. well, i know there have been talks in person this been talks in person within this this week between this so far this week between tice anderson, and it's tice and anderson, and it's where out and how they where they play out and how they play where they play out and how they play bring the as play out. i'll bring the news as soon it on gb news if soon as i get it on gb news if you're a gambling man, do you reckon he's going to jump ship you're a gambling man, do you re(reform 's going to jump ship you're a gambling man, do you re(reform orgoing to jump ship you're a gambling man, do you re(reform or he's| to jump ship you're a gambling man, do you re(reform or he's goingnp ship you're a gambling man, do you re(reform or he's going to ship you're a gambling man, do you re(reform or he's going to beip to reform or he's going to be allowed in the cat flap? to reform or he's going to be all(|'mi in the cat flap? to reform or he's going to be all(|'m not in the cat flap? to reform or he's going to be all(|'m not a in the cat flap? to reform or he's going to be all(|'m not a gambling flap? to reform or he's going to be all(|'m not a gambling man.�* >> i'm not a gambling man. >> i'm not a gambling man. >> i'm not a gambling man. >> i think he could be off. >> i think he could be off. >> you're right. >> i reckon you're right. i reckon this going to see how reckon this is going to see how you it. you resolve it. >> because one side is saying, if red line the if the red line of the government, scott, saying government, scott, is saying sorry, doesn't sorry, lee anderson doesn't think to see think he should say sorry to see khan and that that bridge khan and that that that bridge is that gap sorry? is not being is that gap sorry? he's being bridged at the he's not being bridged at the moment. >> well, to watch. and >> well, it's one to watch. and of bring the of course we'll bring all the latest chris excellent as of course we'll bring all the lates'we'll. excellent as of course we'll bring all the lates'we'll have excellent as of course we'll bring all the lates'we'll have allxcellent as of course we'll bring all the lates'we'll have all the .ent as of course we'll bring all the lates'we'll have all the newss of course we'll bring all the lates'we'll have all the news on ever. we'll have all the news on that one as it breaks . and it that one as it breaks. and it could happen, i think quite sharpish. now you get lots more on on our website . on that story on our website. and thanks to gb news. com

and thanks to you gb news. com is the fastest growing national news in the country. news website in the country. it's got breaking news and all of the brilliant analysis you've come from gb news. so come to expect from gb news. so thank you very much . now, 7 come to expect from gb news. so thank you very much. now, 7 pm. this evening, nigel farage will react to the extraordinary sir keir starmer attacking him twice in pmqs today. and here's a reminder of what the labour leader said earlier on this diverse tory party. >> just welcome nigel farage, the prime minister two months, two months, two months ago, the prime minister said the tory party is a broad church. i welcome lots of people who want to subscribe to our ideals and our values. this is the same nigel farage who said he agreed with the basic premise of enoch powell's rivers of blood speech and bemoan the influence of the jewish lobby. so is the prime minister simply too scared to stand up to the gaggle of tory mps who moonlight as tv

presenters or does he genuinely think nigel nigel farage shares the ideals and values of the tory party he >> well, for a fella who doesn't like to talk about the culture wars, it seems like he's starting one. and tune in at 7 pm. this evening for nigel farage, his very first reaction to that extraordinary outburst at pmqs today from sir keir starmer. and you will not want to miss that. nigel will be firing with both barrels . now, firing with both barrels. now, why does french president emmanuel macron want nato troops to go into ukraine? does he want to go into ukraine? does he want to drag us into a full scale nuclear war? or is he once again just a pint size napoleon? i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel .

>> earlier on breakfast. top story. today is dominated by royal matters. yesterday was a day of drama and tragedy in the

royal household. a royal pulling out an hour before an event. >> it simply doesn't happen. they do not like to let people down. i mean, they're never late, let alone pulling out of something. >> if mps can't do their jobs and use their judgement without any sort of external intimidation, then democracy itself can't function. >> the streaming channels that we have today and children have access to, and they are watching and we're damaging these children . children. >> every morning it's breakfast from 6 am. hope you can join . us >> welcome back. it's 526. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news. now, later this hour we'll be discussing yet another de—banking scandal and this time with small and medium sized businesses . now the ukraine has businesses. now the ukraine has rejected french suggestions to send nato troops to the to the war in ukraine, warning that it would be a major escalation in

the conflict . the french the conflict. the french president, emmanuel macron , has president, emmanuel macron, has said that troops being deployed was not something that should be rule out, but this has since been rebuffed by britain as well as multiple countries in the eu, including germany . now, with the including germany. now, with the kremlin warning that any deployment of troops would lead to all out war between russia and nato, i can now speak with defence analyst and former british army officer stuart crawford . welcome to the show, crawford. welcome to the show, stuart . this crawford. welcome to the show, stuart. this just seems to fly in the face of common sense. for starters, france doesn't pay its 2% of gdp towards nato anyway . 2% of gdp towards nato anyway. and now macron seems to be taking it upon himself to become sort of some sort of military leader for the european bloc. what on earth he thinking ? what on earth is he thinking? >> well, i mean, only he , i >> well, i mean, only he, i think, knows what he's thinking . think, knows what he's thinking. but, um, i just would like to sort of premise everything on the fact that there are already nato troops in ukraine. uh, not

in any numbers, but, um, in a training and advisory capacity and no doubt, uh, intelligence gathering as well. i think what, uh, macron seems to be trying to do here is, first of all, maintain some sort of strategic ambiguity, if you like . uh, so ambiguity, if you like. uh, so he's basically saying, let's not take anything off the table at all when it comes to confronting , uh, russia in its aggressive foreign policy . , uh, russia in its aggressive foreign policy. i think also, he's also saying, uh, foreign policy. i think also, he's also saying , uh, well, foreign policy. i think also, he's also saying, uh, well, and just by the way, france is an important player in all of this , important player in all of this, and there's a historical background of competition with germany . and then finally, i germany. and then finally, i think he's trying to sort of promote himself as a as someone who needs to be listened to within both the european context and the nato context . but as, as and the nato context. but as, as for actually sending troops into ukraine, nato troops into ukraine, nato troops into ukraine, i think that's something that would be so provocative of that. it's highly unlikely to happen. >> yeah . and this is not the >> yeah. and this is not the position of like a putin

apologist. stuart i mean, even as far back as donald rumsfeld and, and indeed the drawing up of perestroika, the entire ethos of perestroika, the entire ethos of that piece, that newfound peace was that nato would not expand towards the east. it would not put boots on the ground. certainly that would be seen as an outright provocation as something changed. does macron think that those rules don't apply now ? don't apply now? >> well, i mean , to a certain >> well, i mean, to a certain extent, they've been overtaken by events because obviously , uh, by events because obviously, uh, nato's boundaries with russia have advanced considerably to the east. and we have to remind ourselves that it's highly unlikely that putin would have invaded ukraine had ukraine been a nato member, because that would have triggered article five and brought russia into direct confrontation with nato. and as i've said, until i'm blue in the face, that's the last thing putin and russia want. because if they go into direct war, direct confrontation with nato, russia will lose and lose

badly. >> it can't compete . >> it can't compete. >> it can't compete. >> so, i mean, these things come around every so often. but i think that basically putin has by his attack on a non, uh, nato member on his western boundary , member on his western boundary, actually, as we all know, enhanced nato with now the accession of finland and most recently sweden to nato's ranks. so he's really hoist by his own petard . petard. >> and stuart, can i quickly ask you to comment on the fact that while putin is spending 8% of gdp on defence and seems to be ramping up for war, our own budget seems will seem to have nothing in there for defence. is this a terrible moment to go tight fisted on spending on defence? >> absolutely. i mean, we're to led believe that there'll be no additional funding for, uh, defence in next week's budget, which i think most people, certainly with the military background would think is a big mistake . um, the problem is that mistake. um, the problem is that when war happens, it's , you

when war happens, it's, you know, it's the world's biggest come as you are party. uh, not come as you are party. uh, not come as you are party. uh, not come as you'd like to be. and we go to war with what we've got. and there's no doubt at the moment we don't have enough of anything be a serious anything to be a serious military , uh, a credible military, uh, a credible military, uh, a credible military presence in europe. okay we'll have to leave it there. >> former british army officer stuart crawford. thanks for your input. no doubt, though, all of those troops will have the appropriate pro noun badges. now, there's lots more still to come between now and 6:00, and i'll discuss the claim from a distinguished historian that islamist islamist fanatics are the most serious threat to parliament since guy fawkes . but parliament since guy fawkes. but first, here's your latest news headunes first, here's your latest news headlines with polly middlehurst i >> -- >> the top stories this hour gb news. sources say the bodies of at least three suspected migrants have had to be pulled from the water today after an incident in the english channel this afternoon in a major search

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course, latest course, i'll have the latest on, um, the situation the channel um, the situation in the channel you know, many people, you know, so many people, martin, you martin, say. well you can't introduce back introduce things like turn back pushbacks will pushbacks because people will drown course, people, drown. but of course, people, very drowning anyway. very sadly, are drowning anyway. so time now to really so is it time now to really properly focus on that as perhaps a future policy or not? of course. it'd be remiss of me not to look at all the ridiculousness going on in politics. when is all politics. still, uh, when is all of going to calm down? if of this going to calm down? if at what would it take? at all? and what would it take? uh, also as well, there's a council proposal think it's council proposal. i think it's great, everyone that's great, actually. everyone that's into all this green stuff, they're going start they're going to start crowdfunding can crowdfunding so that people can put own cash in and invest put their own cash in and invest in all green developments. in all the green developments. brilliant so if you're on that side fence in you go with side of the fence in you go with your own cash. and if you're not, let us stay it. not, but let us stay out of it. i think that's a great idea. so i think that's a great idea. so i want to get into all of that. and course, that debate and of course, that debate rumbles about rumbles on, doesn't it, about prince harry. he's appealing that get that decision. so should he get that decision. so should he get that police protection not? that police protection or not? jacqueline foster panel jacqueline foster on my panel tonight. backwards tonight. she's never backwards in coming forwards, is she? i can't wait to hear her thoughts in coming forwards, is she? i carit wait to hear her thoughts in coming forwards, is she? i carit all.t to hear her thoughts in coming forwards, is she? i carit all. superb r her thoughts on it all. superb >> and i'll tell you what, if

your emails are anything like ours, we've hundreds and ours, we've had hundreds and hundreds emails and people hundreds of emails and people are not happy about having to pay are not happy about having to pay £31 million for security pay £31 million for mp security because they think it's a situation they've created themselves. that's dewbs& co six till 7 pm. don't miss it. thank you. now now so many of you have been getting in touch. as i said throughout the show, and please keep messaging me gbviews@gbnews.com. in a few minutes i'll read out the best of and trust me, you have of them and trust me, you have not with your opinions not held back with your opinions today. thank you very much for that. i'm martin daubney on gb news britain's channel .

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should be celebrated. >> i slept during it, you know, and from 6 am. friday, join michael portillo on gb news breakfast for his take on the results. >> gb news. britain's election . channel >> welcome back to the show. it's 540. you're watching or listen to martin daubney on gb news. now, later this hour, i'll tell you why. people who run fish and chip shops are pleading for support in next week's budget because they're feeling battered by the taxman. but before that , following the before that, following the government's announcement that £31 million will now be invested into mp security and protection , into mp security and protection, i want to know if now is the most dangerous time to be a politician . well, the respected politician. well, the respected historian robert tombs has already claimed today that islamist fanatics are the most serious threat to parliament since guy fawkes . well, joining since guy fawkes. well, joining me now to discuss this

provocative point is the former merseyside police inspector and the lecturer at liverpool john moores university, peter williams. peter, welcome to the show direct and to the point. the biggest threat to democracy since guy fawkes is islamist terror. what's your take on that ? >> well 7- >> well , 7 >> well , several points ? >> well , several points really . >> well, several points really. um, what we do know about terrorism , um, which is what we terrorism, um, which is what we call modern terrorism, which , call modern terrorism, which, uh, started after guy fawkes about 1888, um, sort of around the time of discovery of dynamite . dynamite. >> but, um, what we do know from that, it sort of does come in waves, which last about 40, 45 years in this current wavering, which is often referred to as being the religious wave started about 1979 and is often referred to as the new terrorism because it's, um , it's sort of, uh, it's it's, um, it's sort of, uh, it's noted for, um, mass casualty

type attacks. >> um, no , no warning given. >> um, no, no warning given. unlike what we've seen before. but one of the points i think i'd like to make to the viewers is that each individual wave of terrorism introduces different tactics as well, to some extent different targets . different targets. >> given the ideology and the cause. >> but , uh, cause. >> but, uh, it's an interesting point. you raise martin about parliament because of course , as parliament because of course, as some of your viewers , some of some of your viewers, some of our viewers really will remember. march 1979 varne when the shadow home shadow secretary for northern ireland, um airey neave mp, of course, was was assassinated by use of a car bomb in the underground house of commons car park , uh, by the commons car park, uh, by the inla . inla. >> for now, those in the days when there was nil in relation to anti—terrorism measures and certainly very little in the area of counter—terrorism measures, which is what the

current risk assessments to the mps are relying upon. so whether or not the threat to parliament now is greater or not is , uh, now is greater or not is, uh, something which we sort of got to decide really. >> um , airey neave mp, of course >> um, airey neave mp, of course , was a high profile individual . , was a high profile individual. >> the first british escaper from colditz , a man who went on from colditz, a man who went on to be part of the prosecutor team in the nuremberg trials. >> and he was, uh, targeted because of the target that he was what we call was identified dunng was what we call was identified during the first wave as being the propaganda of the deed . the propaganda of the deed. >> now parliament will always be remain a target. >> that's why we see high profile or , uh, the venues of profile or, uh, the venues of attacks , particularly in london, attacks, particularly in london, because they are high profile venues which terrorists target for this simple concept, the

propaganda of the deed. >> okay, we have to leave it there. fascinating stuff. thank you very much. peter williams, who's a lecturer at liverpool. john moores university. my point is this parliament's already been attacked by by a terrorist trying to get in there and they surrounded. you saw those images already by steel barriers to stop it. when will we wake up to this? what will it take? david amess murdered mike freer , amess murdered mike freer, leaving politics because of those death threats. a thousand people tried to get inside parliament last wednesday to do heaven knows what. when will they wake up to this threat? now we've got another de—banking scandal on our hands. and this time more than 140,000 small and medium sized businesses had their bank accounts closed in their bank accounts closed in the last year. we'll be discussing this next. first, i came from farage and now the small businessmen and women i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's .

channel. welcome back. 548 is the time and you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news. now fish and chip shop owners are pleading with the government to help them in next week's budget . they've been badly hit budget. they've been badly hit by the cost of living crisis and we sent our east midlands reporter will hollis, to the seaside . seaside. >> jack carson, a national favourite. it's hard to go wrong with fish and chips when brits get hungry. we've got two cod and chips with some scraps, salt and chips with some scraps, salt and vinegar, slice of lemon . but and vinegar, slice of lemon. but being the best in the business means taking on more than 10,000 other chippies at the national fish and chip awards . danielle fish and chip awards. danielle and matthew at marina fish and chips have been serving seaside customers from chapel saint leonards in lincolnshire since

2018. in the summer, the holidaymakers they're coming for a quality fish and chip shop with the scenery of the beach as well, but also our locals. >> they also want a good quality fish and chips all year round . fish and chips all year round. >> the couple says fresh food is what keeps the customers coming back. >> everything is freshly cooked to order so each customer is getting the getting consistent product every time. >> nobody wants an oily, soggy fish. >> definitely not. >> definitely not. >> brits eat a whopping 167 million portions a year , more million portions a year, more than a few of those at the seaside. >> it's just part of our culture, isn't it? i think you come to the seaside. you just expect to be able to have fish and chips somewhere. >> the awards is a celebration. >> the awards is a celebration. >> despite the tough times, the industry has been battered by the cost of living and international turmoil. >> there you go, andrew won cod chips, mushy peas and homemade tartar sauce.

>> enjoy fantastic . >> enjoy fantastic. >> enjoy fantastic. >> looking forward to these. andrew is president of the national federation of fish friers fish and chips are still popular. >> we're still getting people through the door, but it's the profit margin that's affected. it's leaving shop owners with very little at the end of the month. >> he hopes the chancellor can think fish and chips in the think of fish and chips in the upcoming budget . upcoming budget. >> all of hospitality is calling for reform of vat, and with the budget coming up, we hope that they've got their ears open and they're and they're willing to be brave and act it . act on it. >> a hundred thousand brits rely on fish chip jobs. >> a hundred thousand brits rely on fish chip jobs . millions on fish and chip jobs. millions of customers for their favourite meal . will hollis gb news meal. will hollis gb news chapel meal. will hollis gb news chapel, saint leonard's so just wiping away the drool there. >> that's what i want fort tonight. fish and chips. i can almost taste it . chapel tonight. fish and chips. i can almost taste it. chapel and leonard's. i used to go there as a kid and ingamells the blue anchor caravan site. superb part of the world. yum. now mps have raised concerns over the treatment of small businesses by

major banks after figures showed that more than 140,002nd accounts were shut down by lenders over the past year. and joining me now to discuss this is our business and economics editor , liam halligan with on editor, liam halligan with on the money reporter . liam welcome the money reporter. liam welcome back to the show. always a pleasure. so first they came for nigel farage. now they're going for small and medium business enterprises. what on earth is going on? it's a scandal. >> we at gb news know all about this new ill fangled word of our time, don't we? de—banking because our colleague nigel farage was debunked by coutts, no less , the sort of toffee no less, the sort of toffee nosed bank that's owned by natwest . uh, they said it was natwest. uh, they said it was because he didn't have enough money for coutts. it turned out when he did a freedom of information request that various bankers within coutts didn't like the cut of nigel's jib. politically and they wanted him out . and, of course, alison

out. and, of course, alison rose, the chief executive of natwest, ended up resigning over the scandal. what we're talking about today is something different. it's not about individuals being de—banking for their political views or because they're so—called politically exposed people. this is martin about small and medium sized enterprises losing their banking services by the big high street clearing banks because of, frankly, the big high street clearing banks don't think they're worth the candle for them financially. they're not making enough money out of them. they'll with other they'll come up with other reasons. that to me , is one reasons. but that to me, is one of the main reasons. reasons. but that to me, is one of the main reasons . as you say, of the main reasons. as you say, there are some interesting numbers out this morning. the treasury committee, a treasury select committee, a cross party of mps with cross party group of mps with particular financial particular interest in financial and economic issues. particular interest in financial and economic issues . they do and economic issues. they do good work. i know many of them personally. they've come up with some numbers after making quenes some numbers after making queries that, as you say, around 140 to 150,000 bank accounts of small and medium sized enterprises closed in the last yean enterprises closed in the last year, above and beyond those who

just went bankrupt . and there's just went bankrupt. and there's a really interesting statement that we've got from martin mctague and martin mctague. he's not just your namesake martin daubney, he's also national chair of the federation of small businesses . and this is what he businesses. and this is what he says there is a power imbalance between small firms and their banks. those who have their accounts closed without warning . accounts closed without warning. it happens and not just affected financially and operationally, but there's also a reputational and emotional aspect to consider. banks should not be making decisions lightly or on a hair trigger. making decisions lightly or on a hair trigger . martin, to be hair trigger. martin, to be clear, i'm not saying that any of our big high street banks have been breaking any laws . i have been breaking any laws. i am saying that there's an assumption of a universal service obligation , though. when service obligation, though. when you have a banking license . and you have a banking license. and if running the financial if i was running the financial conduct authority, uh, probably that ship has sailed. then i'd be looking very closely at this. imagine you've got ten, 15, 20, up imagine you've got ten, 15, 20, up to 50 employees. you've got to make payroll, you've got money coming in from your customers, you've got money going out your suppliers, and

suddenly you've got no bank that is safety critical mission critical to any one's business. this should be looked at. >> superb stuff as ever and well done. liam halligan always on the money shining a light on the de—banking scandal and fighting for the small and medium business owner. thank you very much . now you've been getting in much. now you've been getting in touch throughout on touch throughout the show on the issue mps security. hundreds issue of mps security. hundreds and hundreds of emails. i'm so sorry . don't have enough time to sorry. don't have enough time to read them all out, but here's a couple. um, steve says this. they refuse to allow us to meet the means to protect ourselves from extremists, but they find £31 million plus police security to protect themselves. and jenny says this if the police carried out the appalling, the police sort it out. the appalling civil unrest in london and other cities then mps would be much safer . this is cities then mps would be much safer. this is poor policing, cathy quickly says this and the mps are now crying wolf. they should reap what they sow.

thanks for all of your comments today. i'll be back three till six tomorrow, but after this it's michelle dewberry with dewbs& co and 7:00. nigel farage responds . the extraordinary responds. the extraordinary attack from keir starmer , a attack from keir starmer, a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hi there, it's aidan mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast first cloudy for most of us today. outbreaks moving from outbreaks of rain moving from west to east, but it will be milder compared with recent days. we've got a warm front moving in that's bringing a slice mild and moist atlantic slice of mild and moist atlantic air, and it's bringing outbreaks of rain. the wettest weather through the rest of the day will be across western hills, especially wales, north west england, and then for england, and then later for western scotland. does push western scotland. it does push its south so its way south eastwards, so a spell through the spell of rain through the evening south—east and evening for the south—east and then clearer spells for scotland and northern ireland by the end of night, albeit with a of the night, albeit with a strengthening wind and frequent

showers in. colder here showers moving in. colder here but staying mild for england and wales, and a damp start for much of england and wales. first thing thursday . the rain does thing thursday. the rain does tend to push south eastwards so it dries up across wales. the midlands and certainly a bright day to come for scotland and northern ireland, albeit with those blustery showers and gales for the north and northwest of scotland and feeling cold in that wind. but it stays damp throughout the day across east anglia and south of england. anglia and the south of england. 12 celsius here, 6 or 7 in the far north and northwest. but then the colder air that exists in the northwest on thursday pushes across the whole of the uk through friday with a spell of rain, sleet and some significant hill snow for wales and northern england. as well as later on for scotland and northern ireland. that clears through drier conditions for many on saturday and sunday and milder in the south. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers , sponsors of boxt boilers, sponsors of weather on .

story. and i've got to say, the political mess in this country. it does indeed continue. it's been announced today , £31 been announced today, £31 million is set to be made available to protect mps. also now there's calls for them to be able to work and vote from home. you tell me, are things going to settle down any time soon and what would that take? and in pmqs today, sir keir starmer accused the tories of dancing to nigel farage's tune. do you agree with that ? i was just away agree with that? i was just away with myself there, wondering what on earth that tune would be. give me your thoughts. uh,