story. and i've got to say, the political mess in this country. it does indeed continue. it's been announced today , £31 been announced today, £31 million is set to be made available to protect mps. also now there's calls for them to be able to work and vote from home. you tell me, are things going to settle down any time soon and what would that take.7 and in pmqs today, sir keir starmer accused the tories of dancing to nigel farage's tune. do you agree with that .7 i was just away agree with that? i was just away with myself there, wondering what on earth that tune would be. give me your thoughts. uh,

also, meanwhile , over in local also, meanwhile, over in local council land, we're seeing councils now launching crowdfunding schemes so that locals can pay for green projects. is this the future? then let those who this then let those who want this kind pay for it and kind of thing pay for it and leave the rest of us alone. and prince has lost his bid to prince harry has lost his bid to get his security funded by us taxpayers. that's not the end of the matter, though, because an appeal should we be appeal beckons. so should we be footing bill or. not appeal beckons. so should we be footing bill or . not well, footing that bill or. not well, we're going to get stuck into all of that and more. but before we do, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for tonight's latest news headlines . michelle news headlines. michelle >> thank you. well, the top story this hour as you've been heanng story this hour as you've been hearing from michelle, the bodies at least three bodies of at least three suspected migrants have been pulled the english channel pulled from the english channel this afternoon, a major search and rescue operation is underway following that incident. we understand the uk and french authorities now working together on that because it is fears

there may be more victims following reports of a fourth body was spotted in the water. more detail on that of course, as we get it. a serial rapist has been jailed for life with a minimum tum to serve of 36 years for murdering a sex worker in scotland 19 years ago , 51 year scotland 19 years ago, 51 year old ian packer, who targeted glasgow's red light district, was also found guilty of a series of rapes and assaults committed over two decades. the family of 27 year old emma caldwell is calling for a judicial public inquiry into how the offenders crimes were handled after police scotland had to apologised for their failings in the investigation. lawyer . failings in the investigation. lawyer. aamer failings in the investigation. lawyer . aamer anwar says her lawyer. aamer anwar says her mother believes she was betrayed by the force. >> margaret believes that officer systematically sabotaged an investigation into packer for an investigation into packer for a decade and have blood on their hands for far too long they have remained in the shadows, but

must now answer for their betrayal. today, margaret caldwell calls on the scottish government to order an independent judge led public inquiry into what went wrong , inquiry into what went wrong, the scale of the crimes and the failures are so catastrophic that nothing less than a judicial public inquiry will suffice . suffice. >> in other news today, red bull's christian horner will remain in post as team principal girl after being cleared of allegations made against him. a female colleague had made a complaint of inappropriate behaviour there earlier this month, which then triggered an investigation. he's always denied the claim. in a statement , red bull said it's confident the investigation into the allegation had been fair, rigorous and impartial, and added the complainant had the right to appeal . farmers were right to appeal. farmers were warning today that their industry will be at risk if the welsh government goes ahead with proposed changes to farming subsidies . for laura beddow subsidies. for laura beddow outside the welsh parliament.

the farmers protested in full voice against plans which require 20% of their agricultural land to be set aside for trees and wildlife habitats. the labour government insists the changes are necessary to fight climate change, but conceded the plan could still be adjusted at the end of a consultation. varne unions warn there'll be thousands of job losses and the leader of the welsh conservatives, andrew davies, told gb news it will be disastrous for the country. well, let's not forget people need food to survive and live on their everyday existence, so we're talking an we're not talking about an industry that isn't industry here that isn't required nation . required to feed the nation. >> and if we don't have farmers, we don't have food. and by the government's own figures, if this scheme goes ahead and changed will lose changed 5500 farmers will lose their . 125,000 their livelihoods. 125,000 cattle will be lost in wales, 800,000 sheep and £200 million worth of economic activity will be lost. so it'll be a devastating income impact on rural communities. the length and breadth wales. and breadth of wales. >> well, also there today was former rugby referee and farmer nigel owens, who told protesters

without farmers there is no food i >> -- >> it's taken years and years of hard work to achieve that goal, to get a smallholding and a small herd of pedigree herefords , and i do it because i care, because i'm passionate about the industry that we are in, not just for our way of life, but without farmers . there is no without farmers. there is no food . there can be no six food. there can be no six nafions food. there can be no six nations game in cardiff and next saturday against france. so there is no referee, there can be no food on the table if there is no farmers . is no farmers. >> now the duke of sussex has said he faces a greater risk than his late mother, with additional layers of racism and extremism following discussions about the future of his personal security, the high court heard prince harry believed his family faces an international threat. he plans to appeal a high court ruling after losing a challenge against the government over his personal safety. the duke of sussex launched legal action in

february 2020, when he was told he would no longer be given the same degree of taxpayer funded protection whilst he was protection within, whilst he was in the uk. the home office has welcomed that ruling and says it's now considering next steps . it's now considering next steps. meanwhile, mps are facing threats to their security will get extra security as part of a new £31 million government package. new £31 million government package . concerns are growing package. concerns are growing about mps being targeted by protesters since the outbreak of the israel—hamas war. the home office says the money will be used to increase private sector security provision and all elected representatives will have a dedicated name. please contact to liaise with and the high court in belfast has ruled the uk government's controversial legacy act breaches human rights laws. the case was brought by the relatives of northern ireland's troubles victims. the act includes a conditional amnesty for people suspected of committing offences. in delivering his ruling, committing offences. in delivering his ruling , the judge delivering his ruling, the judge said there's no evidence

immunity will in any way contribute to reconciling in the country. northern ireland secretary chris heaton—harris says the government still intends to implement the act. that's the news for the very latest stories. do sign up for gb news alerts . scan the qr code gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen right now or go to gbnews.com slash alerts . to gbnews.com slash alerts. >> thanks very much for that , >> thanks very much for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, i've got my panel of conservative peer in the house of lords and the former mep jacqueline foster, and the journalist and commentator mike buckley . good evening to both of buckley. good evening to both of you and you know the drill already, don't you, on this programme. it never changes night after night. it's not just about us it's much about us three. it's very much about us three. it's very much about you guys at as well. about you guys at home as well. what's mind tonight? what's on your mind tonight? i've to say you've already i've got to say you've already started making me chuckle. and you in this and you know what? in this day and age, we need a of laugh age, we need a bit of a laugh sometimes, don't we'll come sometimes, don't we? we'll come on to the fact that in pmqs, sir

keir starmer was saying the keir starmer was saying that the tory are dancing to tory party they are dancing to the of nigel farage. will the tune of nigel farage. i will get that serious debate. get into that serious debate. but also thinking but it's also got me thinking what tune be? um what would that tune be? um you've started getting you've already started getting your in what your suggestions in as to what nigel's tune is, and like i say, you are making me chuckle. terence said, surely no question . the theme tune of politics generally . is the benny . the theme tune of politics generally. is the benny hill theme tune. nigel mark. sorry, says surely nigel s tune is simply the best. mark says it's only one tune and that is surely . my way. you're going to have me singing all these tunes now in my head anyway. get in touch with me. i've got a packed show i want to talk to you about the state of politics. i want to talk as well about councils. do you think crowdfunding green measures forward? and measures is the way forward? and prince we're prince harry as well, we're going mention him as well. do going to mention him as well. do you should paying going to mention him as well. do y0lthe should paying going to mention him as well. do y0lthe security|ould paying going to mention him as well. do y0lthe security of ld paying going to mention him as well. do y0lthe security of his paying going to mention him as well. do y0lthe security of his family?; for the security of his family? he's going to be appealing that court case outcome from today. but look, it's been but for now, look, it's been confirmed migrants

confirmed that three migrants have falling into the have died after falling into the engush have died after falling into the english channel in french waters. this afternoon. well, let's cross live to our politics and home. sorry. home affairs editor mark white for the latest . good evening, mark to you. bhng . good evening, mark to you. bring us up to speed with this developing story, if you will. well . all still very much an well. all still very much an active search and rescue operation underway in the engush operation underway in the english channel this evening . english channel this evening. >> there may be two incidents. we have not got all of the details bottomed out as yet. we want to show you some exclusive video that our team in dover took a little earlier to give you an idea of the conditions it shows the dungeness lifeboat returning with a group of migrants recovered from the engush migrants recovered from the english channel trying to get into dover harbour, ploughing through the waves and the winds . through the waves and the winds. absolutely horrific conditions out there. it's unbelievable that people would push these small, flimsy boats out at the

best of times, but it's just utterly reckless to do that in these conditions. now, what we've had is confirmation from the prosecutor in boulogne sur mer of this incident in french waters that unfolded this afternoon north of boulogne, with a boat and migrant case that ended up in the water. there when rescue services got to the scene, they pulled three people from the water, all dead. they couldn't be resuscitated . they couldn't be resuscitated. and then we got reports of another body, this time face down in the water, but a bit away from boulogne sur mer, this time over by the varne light ship, which is about nine miles southwest of dover. that sparked a very significant search and rescue operation, which is still underway this evening. we don't know if that is linked directly to the earlier incident. north of boulogne, or whether it is a separate incident. there are

reports thoughts that in this second incident, if it is a separate incident, that a boat was spotted upside down, upturned and in the water itself , a lot of assets out there at the moment. the coastguard helicopter , various border force helicopter, various border force and lifeboats involved in a systematic search of that area. but absolutely horrific conditions out in the channel. michel but still, the people smugglers are pushing these boats out into the water. around 300 migrants, we think, made it to uk waters today, despite the conditions in a six small boat. >> i mean, it is absolutely a horrendous i mean, for any one that's listening on radio as opposed to watching, i mean, to call that water choppy is an absolute understatement. and of course, mike, you're alluding and mark, sorry, you're alluding to the point now that actually even bad weather isn't even bad weather now isn't deterring people starting those crossings. can you just remind us terms of numbers where

us all in terms of numbers where are we at this year? so far ? are we at this year? so far? >> well , are we at this year? so far? >> well, we're about for the year so far . and this is year so far. and this is despite, remember really bad weather conditions. we're in the middle of winter. what would you expect. but it's been particularly bad. the last couple of months. still while we are pushing close to 2500 people who have crossed the english channel who have crossed the english channel, and that number has actually higher than it was in the record year of 2022, when close to 50,000 across the engush close to 50,000 across the english channel on that year. it was down last year by about 36. the government said that this was all down or a significant reason behind the reduction in small boat crossings was down to government policy. but those in terms of the channel migrants we've spoken to quite regularly on the other side of the channel say it was all to down the weather conditions and i think any time there's any kind of

window at all in the weather, these criminal gangs will push these criminal gangs will push these flimsy boats out into the channel and clearly, although there was a break in the weather, it wasn't as horrific as it was as the day before. it was still really bad. and this is the net result. tragedy in the channel. >> can i just ask a simple logistical question that many of my viewers might be pondering? mark, if these people are getting into difficulties in french waters , why are they then french waters, why are they then being brought to the uk? why aren't they then being taken back to france ? back to france? >> well, it depends this is a multiple rescue scene in terms of there being the incident of belonging somewhere. now those bodies were taken back to france. we don't know what happened to the rest of the migrants that were on board that boat. it's possible, they continued their journey despite those migrants being swept off the boat . and that may have been

the boat. and that may have been the boat. and that may have been the boat. and that may have been the boat that they're now currently searching for. in terms of other people that might be missing in in the area around the varne lightship lightship. but the varne lightship is in uk waters just in that sandbank there , just over the halfway there, just over the halfway mark into uk waters. so it it just depends on the assets that are out there. if everybody's pitching in and people have come in to uk vessels, then sometimes out of expediency and depending on where the, the rescue services are , they might be services are, they might be taken to the french side. they might be taken to the uk side, to the likes of dover . to the likes of dover. >> goodness me. i mean, you know, whatever way you look at this, it's just a horrendous situation something now that situation and something now that we do need be figuring we really do need to be figuring out solutions to. but for now, that's our and security that's our home and security editor white. thank you editor mark white. thank you very that, jacqueline. very much for that, jacqueline. i very much for that, jacqueline. | , very much for that, jacqueline. i , you know, again, i will i mean, you know, again, i will just describe it because a lot of people listen to the of people listen to us on the

radio opposed watching on radio as opposed to watching on telly. um you know, there are horrendous scenes nobody really of clear thought want to of clear thought would want to be deliberately on water when it is those kind of conditions. this is mess. it's going this is a mess. it's not going to stop . um, the rwanda plan, to stop. um, the rwanda plan, i mean , if that's going to get mean, if that's going to get across the line or not. i mean, no one cares. we're just hearing already that thousand of people already that thousand of people already this year are making already that thousand of people alreaccrossings. r are making already that thousand of people alreaccrossings. iare making already that thousand of people alreaccrossings. i mean, king already that thousand of people alreaccrossings. i mean, does those crossings. i mean, does this government really have any solutions? jacqueline >> well, we've tried to have solutions for the last probably, i'd say serious the last 3 or 4 years at. and the big problem in all of this is, um, i'm not remotely surprised. i mean, i think there were 300 today. um, and this is obviously. and then we've got these fatalities as well, which is absolutely horrendous. but you've got horrendous. but what you've got to um, you know, to remember is, um, you know, these people smugglers , um, they these people smugglers, um, they frankly, they make millions on the back of misery. and they have done that all along. and also , in my view, we've never, also, in my view, we've never, ever had enough of a deterrent,

um, for when people actually start this journey and this is one of the reasons why we've had to try to bring in rwanda, actually taking people, uh, somewhere else. and um, unfortunately, you know , when we unfortunately, you know, when we went right through the illegal immigration bill and were still on the rwanda bill, and it's in the house of lords as well, and i am surrounded by people. and i'll, you know, i'll be quite blunt. we have bleeding hearts who think, i don't know sometimes that world is made sometimes that the world is made up marshmallows. isn't. up of marshmallows. it isn't. it's made up of ruthless crooks and gangsters and the people who are the victims in all of this are the victims in all of this are these migrant ? its. and as are these migrant? its. and as we've said, they're generally young men between 18 and 34. they're not fleeing persecution generally. it's generally for an economic reason. and that makes it even worse. frankly. michael crick makes it all well. >> i mean, jacqueline's last comment just simply isn't true. the government's own asylum system. and we this is system. and as we know, this is not a government that has particularly favourable towards migrants, government's particularly favourable towards migrsystem government's particularly favourable towards migrsystem statesjovernment's particularly favourable towards migrsystem states that nment's particularly favourable towards

migrsystem states that three t's own system states that three 4/5, rather of people who apply for asylum and have their cases heard are given asylum. so that's the government's own system saying these are system saying that these are genuine seekers need genuine asylum seekers that need to safety and security to be given safety and security and refuge. and it's that other 20% that are not, though, as we know , government fails to know, the government fails to return that 20. but obviously the today people are the context today is people are making journeys, are making journeys, people are dying. through today. dying. we've been through today. there have been many, many more. and a tragedy every time . and it's a tragedy every time. and it's a tragedy every time. and course, we don't know and of course, we don't know those life stories those people's life stories who don't family members. don't know their family members. but know that tragic but we do know that it's tragic and know we would feel and we know how we would feel whether family member ours, whether a family member of ours, the doing isn't the government is doing isn't doing to doing anything constructive to stop which stop the crossings, which it should do by closer engagement with france and establishing with france and by establishing safe which are safe and legal routes which are consistent, fails to do so. on the one hand, if you have a government saying we want to stop boats, on the other stop the boats, on the other hand, don't do anything hand, they don't do anything constructive hand, they don't do anything construcpolicy, even if it goes rwanda policy, even if it goes through, won't anything through, won't do anything to stop which i think stop the boats, which i think everybody of everybody with any degree of understanding the sector understanding of the sector fully understands. a fully understands. it's a complete fully understands. it's a conthete fully understands. it's a conthe bottom here is these

>> the bottom line here is these aren't that are fleeing aren't people that are fleeing from zones. from war zones. >> we've already >> well, we've already established of established people just 4/5 of them france . them are france. >> france is not a war zone. they can claim asylum in france . they can claim asylum in france. >> shapps your own home office determines that 4/5 of them are genuine about what? genuine asylum. about what? >> the home office? i am saying that are quite, uh, allow that people are quite, uh, allow allowed claim asylum in allowed to claim asylum in france . these people risking france. these people are risking their lives and they are predominantly economic migrants. they are predominantly men. we have actually managed to have a reasonably good deal with 1 or 2 of the countries with albania, for example, because you could come albania your come to albania with your passport uk . this isn't passport to the uk. this isn't straightforward, but there isn't. as i've said all along, you have to have proper deterrence place to stop deterrence in place to stop people trying to get here in. >> hold on though, because >> but hold on though, because the that is making, the point that mike is making, i don't disagree with some of the points. mike is making is a valid right? because at the valid one, right? because at the end of day, i mean, i think end of the day, i mean, i think it's absolutely ludicrous that end of the day, i mean, i think it's abso sayly ludicrous that end of the day, i mean, i think it's abso say that dicrous that end of the day, i mean, i think it's abso say that iicrous that end of the day, i mean, i think it's abso say that i asz that end of the day, i mean, i think it's absosay that i am asylum you can say that i am asylum seeker. for my seeker. i'm terrified for my life. actually, what i'm life. but actually, what i'm going is i'm going to go

going to do is i'm going to go for these different random for all these different random safe countries. i'm going to cherry because don't cherry pick because i don't think there's wrong think there's anything wrong with economic migrant, with being an economic migrant, but that with being an economic migrant, but what that with being an economic migrant, but what most that with being an economic migrant, but what most of that with being an economic migrant, but what most of these: with being an economic migrant, but what most of these people that's what most of these people are. notwithstanding are. however, notwithstanding that, valid that, mike's point is a valid one. as currently one. the system as it currently stands acceptance stands has a huge acceptance rate of these people. so the system as it currently stands is disregards saying, disregards what you're saying, disregards what you're saying, disregards what you're saying, disregards what saying, disregards what i'm saying, and confirms that they are asylum seekers. hasn't that seekers. so why hasn't that system been changed? because everyone that it's everyone can see that it's ludicrous because you've got the one key difficulties as well. >> most these people that >> most of these people that come the boats get rid come across on the boats get rid of paperwork. you're then come across on the boats get rid of a paperwork. you're then come across on the boats get rid of a situation work. you're then come across on the boats get rid of a situation and. you're then come across on the boats get rid of a situation and it'su're then come across on the boats get rid of a situation and it's quite 1en in a situation and it's quite difficult, uh, actually, for the immigration officers to determine nationality determine what their nationality is actually determine what their nationality is from. actually determine what their nationality is from. now, actually determine what their nationality is from. now, you actually determine what their nationality is from. now, you canally determine what their nationality is from. now, you can only come from. now, you can only return somebody home return somebody to their home country if know where the country if you know where the home is. so that's home country is. so that's again, complicated and the again, been complicated and the entire matter, because this is what they tend to do as well. >> so quickly tell me, mike, from the labour side of the fence, how would their speed up the processing someone is the processing of someone who is deliberately discarded? their identification documents? deliberately discarded? their ideiwell,tion documents? deliberately discarded? their ideiwell, ti willocuments? deliberately discarded? their ideiwell, ti will just1ents? deliberately discarded? their ideiwell, ti will just answer, >> well, i will just answer, jacqueline, if you don't mind. i

mean, the home office is a very i mean, i've worked with them on this. they have a very robust set of procedures and they can work out where people come from, of i mean, for example, of course. i mean, for example, by they speak, by what language they speak, even have even if they don't have documents. s and it isn't a system that set citizen. system that is set up, citizen. it it isn't a system that it isn't it isn't a system that is set to let people in who is set up to let people in who aren't genuinely asylum seekers at the at all. but of course, the system we have has to system that we have has to comply with international law. and an international and there is an international definition asylum seeker, definition of asylum seeker, which the government cannot, thankfully, which the government cannot, tharto ully, which the government cannot, tharto answer your question, um, but to answer your question, um, um, don't think um, i don't i don't think labour's set out exactly what its asylum policy be, but its asylum policy would be, but its asylum policy would be, but it would be a humane policy. the first most first and foremost, the most important would do, important thing they would do, because little because it's getting a little bit actually. bit tiring actually. >> lecturing the >> everyone lecturing the government about what a poorjob government about what a poor job they're the i they're doing. and by the way, i agree. i think they are doing a poor job. agree. i think they are doing a poorjob.| agree. i think they are doing a poor job. i think it's an poorjob. i think it's an absolute shambles. think it's absolute shambles. i think it's embarrassing, that embarrassing, and i think that people sitting there people must be sitting there having a right old laugh in whatever countries on, whatever countries they're on, watching whatever countries they're on, watch over four star hotels lured over into four star hotels because our asylum system is an absolute i think

absolute joke. but i think it's very of people from the very rich of people from the labour side to constantly criticise the backlogs and all the being the rest of it, whilst not being able articulate if able to clearly articulate if someone has deliberately discarded identity discarded their identity documents. way, if documents. which, by the way, if you're want asylum, documents. which, by the way, if you'iwould want asylum, documents. which, by the way, if you'iwould do ant asylum, documents. which, by the way, if you'iwould do that?.ylum, documents. which, by the way, if you'iwould do that? massive why would you do that? massive fat question mark. anyway, fat question mark. but anyway, if that if they don't answer that question to what they would question as to what they would do, take them seriously? >> i mean, it's not inconceivable somebody inconceivable that somebody would documents would lose their documents in the midst of making thousands of miles going on a miles long journey or going on a boat to dover. boat from calais to dover. >> i've seen footage of them deliberately discarding their stuff, mobile. >> i'm not suggesting it never happens, is also happens, but it is also legitimate think that some legitimate to think that some people them. but. but people might lose them. but. but in terms of what labour would do, and foremost, do, first and foremost, they would asylum claims. would process the asylum claims. we've thousands by we've got tens of thousands by employing the home employing some staff in the home office. we used to do it, you know, takes germany a month, office. we used to do it, you krtakes takes germany a month, office. we used to do it, you krtakes us

public and as of the government, millions of pounds. we're paying 8 to house these 8 million a day to house these people processed their people who've processed their claims. them claims. they then give them refugee then and refugee status. they then go and get lives and then get on with their lives and then they their i they pay their own bills. i don't i generally don't understand why the government doesn't want that, because doesn't want to do that, because it's public it's a huge waste of public money. understand money. and i don't understand why to why other people don't want to do well it seems do it as well. well it seems ludicrous me. ludicrous to me. >> what do you think to all? >> what do you think to it all? get in touch. you know how by now gbviews@gbnews.com we just go circles all go around these same circles all the actually the time. do you actually think that whatever that anybody of whatever political genuine, political colour is genuine, really serious about stopping people illegally claiming as well illegally entering the country asylum country to try and claim asylum in actually, quite in routes that actually, quite frankly, be frankly, those routes should be closed. are we why are we closed. why are we why are we all these years on, still sitting these sitting there watching these boat crossings? the mind absolutely to why no absolutely boggles as to why no one seems to have got a hold of it by now. doesn't it? anyway, give me your thoughts on that. i want politics though, want to talk politics though, after the break, because £31 million is the amount of money that's assigned to that's now been assigned to protect mps. do you with protect mps. do you agree with that not? see you in two.

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jerk to the left and clowns to the right. uh marianne says surely it sings. can only get better. um, i do love seeing. i love a bit of karaoke, so some of these songs that make me want to sing to you. but for your own well—being, i won't. i'll refrain from that. i've been asking the top of the asking you at the top of the program about awful program about that awful situation the channel. what situation in the channel. what on about it? on earth do we do about it? sigh, the only way to stop sigh, says the only way to stop these crossings are take these crossings are to take people to france. only once people back to france. only once they know that they will never be able to get entry to uk shores, will that stop them from coming? but how do you do that though? see, that is a question because mark, you've got the same solution as well. but how how? phil says, well, you'd how? uh, phil says, well, you'd station but station the royal navy, but surely i thought the royal navy had said that they didn't want to involved i might to get involved in that. i might be getting that wrong. but tell me that. uh, me your thoughts on that. uh, wendy need better wendy says we all need better communication with the french and border force . uh, and with the border force. uh, you think that is perhaps a solution? and lee says sometimes michelle, you've to be cruel michelle, you've got to be cruel to kind. i desperately to be kind. i feel desperately

sad anyone lost their sad for anyone who's lost their lives, they lives, he says. but they wouldn't making that journey wouldn't be making that journey if knew that those birds wouldn't be making that journey if be ew that those birds wouldn't be making that journey if be ew that back; birds wouldn't be making that journey if be ew that back toirds wouldn't be making that journey if be ew that back to france . would be pushed back to france. keep your thoughts coming in on that. keep your thoughts coming in on that . but now, talk that. but for now, let's talk about the state of our parliament, shall we? because we know, don't we? by now , that know, don't we? by now, that things it's not ideal, is it? whatever the fence whatever side of the fence you're you're you're on. i mean, surely you're not looking with wonder and pride at the goings on in our parliament? are you at the moment, at the latest development today is that now mps going to get some extra mps are going to get some extra cash for extra security . we cash for extra security. we there's been amount of money, there's been an amount of money, £31 million to be precise, which will go to mps that are, uh, concerned for their safety. jacqueline what do you make to this development ? this development? >> well, i think it's absolutely appalling , frankly. um, i have appalling, frankly. um, i have no objection to the package. the fund that's been put in place to make sure that the members of parliament are safe . um, but parliament are safe. um, but thatis parliament are safe. um, but that is merely a sticking plaster on what is going on on the rail politique and what we

have seen is we've seen some of these pro—palestinian , i call these pro—palestinian, i call them extremists , frankly. um, them extremists, frankly. um, they were tobias. tobias elwood's home, uh, labour mps offices. uh, they sort of being barricaded in their staff . uh, barricaded in their staff. uh, even keir starmer's office, i think, had a problem at, uh, fairly recently as well. and then we've got these groups and their sort of storming into councils and council meetings and even i think we had something i think it was a conservative fundraising dinner. and these people stormed in. yeah this is not acceptable . um, yeah this is not acceptable. um, in this country, we have a democracy . and that democracy democracy. and that democracy says your representative, represents everybody in that constituency . see, it's constituency. see, it's irrelevant of their colour, their creed, their religion . their creed, their religion. they try and represent. and i was an mep for 15 years. you try and represent everybody equally . and represent everybody equally. and this isn't just about all. it appears to be about those who shout loudest. and i think people are getting sick to death of certain minority groups who

are shouting loudest because they then want the mp to do exactly what they say . this exactly what they say. this isn't how a democracy works . you isn't how a democracy works. you can certainly lobby your mp. you can certainly lobby your mp. you can go to parliament and lobby your mp. you can stand for parliament yourself . but what parliament yourself. but what you do is demand that you cannot do is demand that your member of parliament or your member of parliament or your councillor votes in a particular you can't do particular way, but you can't do that yours. that is yours. >> can do that. no, you >> but you can do that. no, you can demand it. what happened last week happened. >> what saying. >> no, that's what i'm saying. and that is and also of course. but that is not how democracy not actually how our democracy works those continue to works. so those that continue to do they have to be stopped. do it, they have to be stopped. this acceptable . it this is not acceptable. it didn't didn't help didn't happen. it didn't help with controversy of the with the controversy of the house of commons last week. that was an absolute disgrace. the way unfolded . and you know , way that unfolded. and you know, things need to be sorted out. as i said , the sticking plaster is i said, the sticking plaster is no good. we've got to get to the bottom this. and people need bottom of this. and people need to a democracy to understand how a democracy works, well , i'm not works, like, well, i'm not entirely sure what channel is advocating, but that's okay. i'm advocating. >> thanks very much . advocating. >> thanks very much. i'm advocating. >> thanks very much . i'm sure >> thanks very much. i'm sure you do. i didn't really understand, but that's fine. i

don't need to necessarily comment that, um, i think this 31 million is good. i mean, obviously because we want our parliamentarians to be safe and i we live in a country i think we live in a country where generally speaking, probably do feel safe probably most of us do feel safe most the time. most of the time. i mean, certainly however, we certainly i do. um, however, we also live in a country where we've had very sadly had two mps murdered in the last eight years, one of them by a far right extremist, one of them by alex norris extremist . so it is alex norris extremist. so it is the case that mps need to be safe. and it is the case that certainly during the brexit period, it's, um, period, and i think it's, um, recurring now due to recurring again now due to what's in israel and what's going on in israel and gaza, mps subject to gaza, that mps are subject to threats been subject threats and have been subject to certainly violence as certainly threats of violence as well. so this 31 million is definitely a good thing because we want our elected representative. >> a question though, you >> a question you though, if you say people say like, you know, most people in feel safe and in this country feel safe and all the rest of there'll be all the rest of it, there'll be loads viewers that are loads of my viewers that are jewish, shouting jewish, they'll be shouting at their well, their screens now, going, well, i safe. i don't feel safe. >> i like can't even go >> i feel like i can't even go into london on a into central london on a saturday. right, right. and that's that's not an that's not that's not an infrequent occurrence. no, no

it's i was reading earlier >> i mean, i was reading earlier about statistics and there's been there has of course, been there has been of course, been there has been of course, been in anti—jewish been an increase in anti—jewish violence. an violence. and there's been an increase violence violence. and there's been an incwell. violence violence. and there's been an incwell. the violence violence. and there's been an incwell. the anti—muslimiolence as well. the anti—muslim violence it's violence has gone up by it's trebled in the last year. yeah. and one result of and this will be one result of the fact that, know, there the fact that, you know, there are, course , understandable are, of course, understandable tensions around what's going on in . and understandably, in gaza. and understandably, people very, deeply people are very, very deeply held this is held opinions. no, but this is we society do need to we as a society do need to manage it, and we need to enable people protest, but it needs people to protest, but it needs to handled in way where it to be handled in a way where it is safe and the police need to step make sure that any step up and make sure that any violence dealt violence is being dealt with. this predominantly this is predominantly anti—semitism . anti—semitism. >> this is predominantly islamic extremist groups who are basically threatening and frightening the life out of our elected representatives, and also members of the public. we'll probably come on to the consequences of these marches and protests that have gone on for the last four months. but as michelle quite rightly says, if you are jewish and you live in london or around the country, you are under threat. people are terrified to go out of their

houses. they're worried about their children going to school and that has to be dealt with. and this is about a minority. these minority is these are these are minority is these are minority groups and they are trying call the shots and trying to call the shots and they cannot be allowed to. and we to get together and we all have to get together and band together sure they band together and make sure they understand how a democracy works. and and what the rule of law is. if you don't want to comply the rule law, if comply with the rule of law, if you bully everybody to you want to bully everybody to death, living in the death, you're living in the wrong country. >> mean, i'll play clip in >> i mean, i'll play a clip in a minute chris bryant. you minute of chris bryant. you might couple of might have seen this a couple of days um he was actually days ago. um he was actually talking the pressure talking about the pressure that had placed house, had been placed on the house, how dare flies, isn't it? was it a week ago now? was it last wednesday? let's just have a little listen. remind ourselves of what he had to say. >> way we our business in >> the way we do our business in parliament is terrible. i mean, we brought terribly we brought ourselves terribly into think, wednesday. >> will you up to that >> but will you put up to that filibuster, or did you it filibuster, or did you take it upon yourself? uh a bit of both, if honest. if i'm honest. >> the whole day >> i think the whole day was grubby need a system grubby and we need a system which doesn't allow, um, people

to manipulate the rules to be able to get what they want, which you did . which you did. >> see, i found that pretty damn disgraceful. actually, i don't find that funny. and i don't know why. chris seems to find that quite amusing. um, and this whole situation that are a whole situation that we are in a situation, all well and situation, it's all well and good saying, oh, yeah, we're a democracy but evidently democracy and all, but evidently if threaten people, you've democracy and all, but evidently if harrietten people, you've democracy and all, but evidently if harrietten peopnowou've democracy and all, but evidently if harrietten peopnow saying , had harriet harman now saying, actually, be able to actually, mps should be able to work from home. work from and vote from home. and that's disgraceful and i think that's disgraceful because then you're kowtowing to extremist people that are influencing democracy, that are making it less like a democracy and almost some kind of weird , and almost some kind of weird, uh, edge towards some kind of dictatorship, which we are not in this country. when you saw chris bryant responding like that, what did you make it? that, what did you make to it? >> think just being >> i think he's just being incredibly to be honest. incredibly honest, to be honest. and look, have incredibly honest, to be honest. an�*outdated look, have incredibly honest, to be honest. an�*outdated system k, have incredibly honest, to be honest. an�*outdated system in have incredibly honest, to be honest. an�*outdated system in ihouse an outdated system in the house of commons, didn't of commons, which didn't function the that it function in the way that it should last week, and should have done last week, and it updated. it it needs to be updated. it really made point that when really made the point that when he be a hackney he used to be a hackney councillor, the councillor, i was watching the clip they would clip earlier on. they would take, they would take a motion

and take all the and they would take all the amendments and amendments of that motion and all heard. all of them would be heard. whereas commons at the whereas in the commons at the moment, you know, a motion moment, as you know, if a motion is put forward, as last week by the standard is the snp, standard procedure is only amendment only the government amendment can not the labour can be heard and not the labour motion. and saying, well, can be heard and not the labour motishouldi saying, well, can be heard and not the labour moti should be saying, well, can be heard and not the labour moti should be changed, well, that should be changed so that all, all different amendments that should be changed so that all, all heard, nt amendments that should be changed so that all, all heard, whichendments that should be changed so that all, all heard, which just|ents that should be changed so that all, all heard, which just seems can be heard, which just seems quite to is more quite logical and to me is more democratic. raised democratic. i'm sorry he raised that before. democratic. i'm sorry he raised tha i've before. democratic. i'm sorry he raised thai've got before. democratic. i'm sorry he raised tha i've got no afore. democratic. i'm sorry he raised tha i've got no idea. >> i've got no idea. >> i've got no idea. >> i've got no idea. >> i mean, i don't know. this is why been now. why it's been raised now. and clearly last week, clearly in light of last week, we that this is an issue, we know that this is an issue, but this something ludicrous. but this is something ludicrous. >> practice and >> we have a practice and a protocol in the house of commons which has valid for years, which has been valid for years, giving opposition parties their days. and that's absolutely quite right. what happened last week was interference with week was an interference with the speaker by the labour party . the speaker by the labour party. whoever the individuals are, it's entirely to i'm not going to point fingers at exactly who it it was absolutely it was. it was absolutely outrageous . and it and it outrageous. and it led. and it wasn't just that there were other things that they have been doing on their twitter account over the last few months against certain certain policies of the conservative party, and it was a

culmination of frustration in the end, actually, even by the snp as well as the conservative mps. and they ended up walking out. so for chris brian to sit there in this sort of, uh oh, well , it was there in this sort of, uh oh, well, it was only, you there in this sort of, uh oh, well , it was only, you know, it well, it was only, you know, it wasn't really a nice thing to do. it's appalling. he's a senior mp and to even, you know, look at this in a sort of light hearted fashion or think, oh, well, we should change the rules now, we don't have to change the rules. rules rules. we've got the rules you can rules. we don't can apply to the rules. we don't always the rules, but always like the rules, but that's why they're there. and this escalated a lot of this has escalated a lot of this, horrendous behaviour this has escalated a lot of this, is horrendous behaviour this has escalated a lot of this, is takingendous behaviour this has escalated a lot of this, is taking place; behaviour this has escalated a lot of this, is taking place , behaviour this has escalated a lot of this, is taking place , as1aviour this has escalated a lot of this, is taking place , as wellur that is taking place, as well as showing to river the showing from the to river the sea big ben. i mean , just sea on big ben. i mean, just appalling this. >> i'm sure mike will want to respond that. >> i'm sure mike will want to res|uh,i that. >> i'm sure mike will want to res|uh, also hat. >> i'm sure mike will want to res|uh, also .at. >> i'm sure mike will want to res|uh, also . so we'll let him do >> uh, also. so we'll let him do so after the break, but also as well. farage. um, he was brought so after the break, but also as well. fareine. um, he was brought so after the break, but also as well. farein pmqs he was brought so after the break, but also as well. farein pmqs today.1 brought up again in pmqs today. apparently, starmer reckons that the tories are dancing to his tune. the tories are dancing to his tune . do you agree with that? tune. do you agree with that? onazi and two.

hi there. michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. jacqueline foster and mike buckley remain alongside me. um, one of my viewers has been in touch with me talking. uh, ronald actually said, i love the way pmqs was all about nigel. let's listen then, to a little clip that shows us what you perhaps are referring to when will he ever stand up to them and end the pathetic spectacle of a tory party that used to try and beat nigel farage? >> now giving up and dancing to his tune instead ? his tune instead? >> mr speaker , mr speaker, >> mr speaker, mr speaker, utterly shamed from someone who stood by while anti—semitism ran rife in his party, oversaw the appalling situation in rochdale . appalling situation in rochdale. >> well, you're a tory. >> well, you're a tory. >> are you dancing to nigel farage's tune jacqueline ? farage's tune jacqueline? >> i mean, i couldn't i was in the chamber, i was watching and

i couldn't believe that, you know, the leader of the opposition gets six opportunities to ask a question and he comes out with something like was, frankly like this. it was, frankly bizarre dancing tonight. i mean, i've known for nigel many years. i've known for nigel many years. i was an mep concert mep, and obviously , um, ukip were in the obviously, um, ukip were in the european parliament. uh, we'll have similarities on certain points of i'd say policy, um, because he was a sort of an old tory, but in fact, are we dancing to his tune ? um for keir dancing to his tune? um for keir starmer actually, to raise that, he must be worried about something you're not answering, are you? >> or aren't you? >> or aren't you? >> well, of course we're not dancing to nigel farage's tune. we're of a party that's been in, you around than you know, around for more than 200 we make policy. 200 years. so we make policy. i mean, i am a thatcherite conservative and my views haven't changed, particularly since margaret thatcher's day . since margaret thatcher's day. >> well, like she says , they're >> well, like she says, they're not dancing to the tune. chris says , uh, that tune should be says, uh, that tune should be the only way is up. anyway, i

made it. i'm guessing i'm desperately wanting to sing. i'm desperately wanting to sing. i'm desperate . i am wanting to. desperate. i am wanting to. i would love to hear you sing as well. >> i mean, it won't surprise you. you that don't you. surprise you that i don't agree with nigel farage's worldview. and i mean, personally, he's personally, i think he's done a huge amount harm to our huge amount of harm to our politics amount politics and a huge amount of harm our i mean, he harm to our country. i mean, he was, the cheerleader was, of course, the cheerleader for brexit, which has a for brexit, which has done a huge amount of harm our huge amount of harm to our country and damage to our economy. you um, which is, economy. you know, um, which is, you documented you know, well documented now. so don't need you so we don't really need you wanted referendum? wanted a second referendum? i think, um, i did because i wanted to, i wanted to i wanted to prevent the harm that would be done to our country, we be done to our country, but we didn't get one. and here we are. we've the best we've now got to make the best of it. unfortunately, we're all poorer. we're poorer poorer. we're all poorer as a result. more democracy, result. i wanted more democracy, not less democracy. anyway, this is. is is. this is ancient. this is ancient think ancient history. but i think it's perfectly reasonable for keir use prime keir starmer to use prime minister's to point minister's questions to point out that the conservatives are , out that the conservatives are, in many becoming a far in many ways becoming a far right extremist party because they're reform vote, they're chasing the reform vote, as happened , as happened in the as happened, as happened in the middle, as happened in the middle, as happened in the middle of the last decade when they ukip vote.

they were chasing the ukip vote. they the reform vote they now chasing the reform vote because that they now chasing the reform vote bec right that they now chasing the reform vote bec right wing that they now chasing the reform vote bec right wing vote that they now chasing the reform vote bec right wing vote is that they now chasing the reform vote bec right wing vote is goingt they now chasing the reform vote bec right wing vote is going to the right wing vote is going to be split next election. be split at the next election. do call far right extremism? do you call far right extremism? >> right. me >> no, it means a great many things. >> i want you to define because people throw around this time and stupid . so and i think it's stupid. so you've it around. you've just thrown it around. so what mean, right. extremism. >> there is a difference between, a conservative between, say, a conservative party like margaret thatcher, which and which which was pro—business and which was pro—immigration and which was pro—immigration and which was eu. was pro eu. >> you mean, and a far right, which is what the conservative party the far right party well, the far right is associated, course, right extremists. >> accused of being a far >> i'm accused of being a far right politician by people in the labels. >> i'm not accusing you of that. >> i'm not accusing you of that. >> not. i'm not, not >> i'm not. i'm not, i'm not here. i'm to criticise here. i'm not here to criticise individuals. but as he was, i mean, the policies that were put out certainly the out by ukip and certainly the policies they put out reform, policies they put out by reform, you referring, you know, very often referring, say, a big say, to immigration as a big problem the country or problem affecting the country or asylum benefit asylum seekers or benefit claimants or effectively minorities and people who are clearly not the problem when it comes to our society, but they don't to not have don't tend to not have solutions. you regard tries to whip whip up

division. >> so you regard, um, brexit as far extremist policy, not far right extremist policy, not brexit in and of itself. >> we're obviously various ways to do brexit, but certainly it was used by the far right to gain notoriety and you do you and do you regard the people's concerns about the changing of their community parties at a rate of pace, which is quite alarming, something that they didn't have a say in? >> do you regard those concerns as far right extremism ? no. as far right extremism? no. >> it's perfectly reasonable to be concerned about changes happening society, happening in your society, in your community. how we your community. but how we respond there are good respond to that there are good ways to respond to and bad ways to respond to that and bad ways to respond to that and bad ways . and ways to respond to that. and certainly that certainly it's the case that there politicians. i there are politicians. and i would these people people would deem these people people on the far who will say to on the far right who will say to the, general the, you know, the general population to population now, if we want to turn life is bad for turn them, your life is bad for example. i mean, one example. i mean, here's one example. i mean, here's one example. normal example. people saying to normal people country, this people in the country, this happened referendum, happened in the referendum, you can't appointment can't get a gp appointment because coming because of immigrants coming into country, which not because of immigrants coming intocase.:ountry, which not because of immigrants coming intocase. people which not because of immigrants coming intocase. people couldn't not because of immigrants coming intocase. people couldn't getot the case. people couldn't get a gp appointment and can't gp appointment and still can't because underfunded the because we've underfunded the health years. health service for 14 years. under government, one

under this government, one of the core reasons that people can't public services, can't access public services, whatever that is, let's just use your gps is your example of gps is unquestionably because the population has expanded at a rate of knots. >> one of the reasons for that is uncontrolled immigration. >> reason we people >> yeah, the reason we people can't get the appointment is they underfunding and b lack of people of working in people of working age in this country because we've got an ageing so we've got ageing population. so we've got more older people, haven't more older people, we haven't got working more older people, we haven't gothe working more older people, we haven't gothe country, working more older people, we haven't gothe country, which working more older people, we haven't gothe country, which worwhy in the country, which was why we've nearly a million job we've got nearly a million job vacancies at minute, which we've got nearly a million job vawhyies at minute, which we've got nearly a million job vawhyies at gotminute, which we've got nearly a million job vawhyies at got hundreds hich we've got nearly a million job vawhyies at got hundreds ofh is why we've got hundreds of thousands or more job vacancies in nhs social care as in the nhs and in social care as well. example. so if a well. for example. so if as a result, i mean, your government genuinely knows need genuinely it knows we need inward which why genuinely it knows we need inw going which why genuinely it knows we need inw going around which why genuinely it knows we need inw going around the ch why genuinely it knows we need inw going around the world, 'hy it's going around the world, hanging visas hanging out, handing out visas like , but the same like confetti, but at the same time saying, no, we need to time was saying, no, we need to reduce tension. >> diverted >> immigration diverted attention. from attention. no, i haven't from what is about calling what the point is about calling people far right, which you'd probably describe me. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> you guys move the conversation on immigration and actually saying that we actually sort of saying that we can't have a discussion can't actually have a discussion about things like illegal immigration or whatever it is, i will just make the point. it's

not illegal to claim asylum without being called far right. >> this nonsense. had >> this is nonsense. we've had over 3 million people over the last 3 or 4 years that have come into the country. it's the speed also of immigration that you have to look at. it's not just the illegal your government has been visas like confetti. >> disagree, i do not >> i don't disagree, i do not disagree because it that disagree because it knows that we of working age in we need people of working age in the, the in country for the, in the in the country for the, in the in the country for the we also have far too many >> we also have far too many people should be working people who should be working when they're fully able to work as there's whole raft of as well. there's a whole raft of reasons exactly we've reasons this is exactly we've got people. reasons this is exactly we've got tum ople. reasons this is exactly we've got tum ales. reasons this is exactly we've got tum ale because you've >> long tum ale because you've underfunded, underfunded >> long tum ale because you've unde|right?d, underfunded nhs, right? >> not that at all. excuse me, both right. what we're both of you. right. what we're going to do is simple. i was going to do is simple. i was going to do is simple. i was going to about prince harry going to talk about prince harry and but, you know and his security. but, you know what? for what? i can save that for another because think this another day because i think this is point you're is a crucial point you're referring. waving pen. referring. i'm waving my pen. sorry. referring to far sorry. you're referring to far right extremists. to right extremists. i want you to define you're define what you mean. you're saying get saying that you didn't get the opportunity because opportunity to respond because i moved conversation moved the conversation on, so i'll give you the opportunity to respond break, because respond after the break, because i this is point. i think this is a key point. these phrases, far right extremists, they are bandied

around i want around all the time and i want to to the bottom of what to get to the bottom of what people are

hi there, i'm michelle dewberry and i'm with you till 7:00 tonight alongside the conservative peer in the house of lords and a former mep , of lords and a former mep, jacqueline foster, and the journalist and commentator mike buckley . look, i was going to buckley. look, i was going to move on and i was going to talk about prince harry and his protection. if you're desperate to don't worry, to talk about that, don't worry, i'll another but i'll do it another night. but for now, there is something i want to explore. and if you've only you've only just tuned in, you've missed have watch missed it. you'll have to watch it but we have it on catch up. but we have conversations the moment, conversations at the moment, don't we? in this kind of landscape, in the media, whatever, about how important language is? we've had this whole last whole conversation over the last few about the word islamist whole conversation over the last few all about the word islamist whole conversation over the last few all the out the word islamist whole conversation over the last few all the restthe word islamist whole conversation over the last few all the rest of word islamist whole conversation over the last few all the rest of it,)rd islamist whole conversation over the last few all the rest of it, whether|ist and all the rest of it, whether or appropriate or not that's an appropriate word, i can't help word, whatever. and i can't help but there is this phrase but notice there is this phrase that around all the that gets bandied around all the time and so right time that so and so is far right or far right. this and far right that. i'm even sure what that. and i'm not even sure what it so mike, my it means anymore. so mike, my panellist the break,

panellist just before the break, you terms far you was using the terms far right that was your right extremists. that was your terms . and i want to know what terms. and i want to know what you mean that. said you mean by that. and you said that interrupted you that we interrupted you explaining. want to explaining. so i want to give you space to what you that space to explain what you that space to explain what you because genuinely, i you mean, because genuinely, i don't people are don't understand when people are saying right extremists, saying far right extremists, what is it that you're referring to? >> well, i mean , let's take one >> well, i mean, let's take one example. let's the example. so let's take the example, example, the example, for example, of the rwanda or indeed lee rwanda policy or indeed lee anderson's the other anderson's comments the other day. what you found with that day. so what you found with that was some conservative was you have some conservative mps who are defending lee anderson or will defend the rwanda example. but rwanda policy, for example. but you will find you've got older conservative. say chris conservative. so say chris patten, in the patten, who was around in the 90s, was governor of china. 90s, was then governor of china. and have, know, older and you have, you know, older conservatives, of them in conservatives, a lot of them in the lords, actually , the house of lords, actually, who the conservative who will say the conservative party changed in ways i party is changed in ways that i don't doesn't represent don't like and doesn't represent my for my views anymore. or, for example, go back to example, you would go back to say, the conservative party as mrs. thatcher, which was pro—business, pro—europe, pro—immigration and their view of making the a success was, of making the uk a success was, yes, economics as yes, conservative economics as in the private in prioritising the private sector and prioritising free

enterprise. but it was very much outward global looking and was , outward global looking and was, you know, was was kind of confident and certainly pro—business in that sense. whereas the conservative party that shifted that we have today has shifted to the right. right. in the sense that it is really sense that it is not really concerned with those things at sense that it is not really con

some extreme examples of the far right, would be, you know, right, which would be, you know, nazis or fascism germany nazis or fascism in germany and that kind of thing. and of course, not suggesting that course, i'm not suggesting that in the slightest, but far in the slightest, but the far right one the it right is one of the things it is, a politics which is not is, is a politics which is not intended to win, you know, improve lives. but is improve people's lives. but is intended to form a, you know, form sinner form a division and sinner extremism create extremism intended to create division different extremism intended to create divisiorof different extremism intended to create divisiorof people different extremism intended to create divisiorof people rather nt extremism intended to create divisiorof people rather than groups of people rather than bnng groups of people rather than bring people together. and it's intended inflame anger rather intended to inflame anger rather than reduce anger. >> can i come in one second because, yeah, you can. i just want to get off my chest want to get us off my chest because i feel very frustrated about it. i just to be about it. i just want to be absolutely language does absolutely clear. language does matter i take on board matter here, and i take on board the we've had the conversations that we've had about language about some of the language that's etc. but it that's been used, etc. but it matters this banding matters also, this banding around loosely of time around loosely of this time far right not far right extremism. it is not far right extremism. it is not far right to want to right extremist to want to control the borders in this country. it is not far right extremism to be concerned about the change of your communities , the change of your communities, the change of your communities, the rate of pace, the difference of cultures , the lack of of cultures, the lack of integration. it is not far right. extremism um, to be concerned about the fact that if you're jewish or whatever, you can't go into your own town

centre. so i would appeal to you and to other people on the left. stop using this phrase far right extremism , because all it's extremism, because all it's doing is alienating . it's doing is alienating. it's dividing us even more , and it's dividing us even more, and it's creating an anger and a frustration that doesn't need to be there. jacqueline, you want to come in? go. >> i do, just briefly, because this started expand >> i do, just briefly, because thisuse started expand >> i do, just briefly, because this use of started expand >> i do, just briefly, because thisuse of this,ad expand >> i do, just briefly, because thisuse of this, um, expand >> i do, just briefly, because thisuse of this, um, postand the use of this, um, post brexit. and then those of us who supported brexit were then being described by remainers, etc. as far right, and it seems to have stuck and it's absolutely appalling , frankly. and it's appalling, frankly. and it's just a sort of really lazy way of doing politics. the way that somebody would be described because they're on the right of politics. i think it's just appalling, frankly . appalling, frankly. >> well, look, i don't know. do you know i'm not sure we you know what? i'm not sure we resolve that last resolve much in that last conversation, just think conversation, but i just think language does and just language does matter. and i just want everyone. stop want to appeal to everyone. stop using terms that using these silly terms that don't the far don't mean anything. the far right extremism. it if right extremism. back it up if you by all means you can. back it up by all means and it where it's necessary, and use it where it's necessary, but just use it a blanket

but just use it as a blanket statement. now. statement. i mean, come on now. anyway, that's we have anyway, look, that's all we have got jacqueline foster. got time for jacqueline foster. thank you for your time, mike. mike thank also for mike buckley, thank you also for yours. you know the yours. uh, also, you know the drill. for your company yours. uh, also, you know the drinigel for your company yours. uh, also, you know the drinigel for you next.ipany yours. uh, also, you know the drinigel for you next. don't to nigel farage. up next. don't go anywhere night . go anywhere. no night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello again. it's aidan mcgivern here from the metalfest with the gb news forecast. mild at first, but we're going to see outbreaks of rain move across the country over the next 24 hours, ushering in colder weather. by friday. now we've got low pressure at the moment, anchored to northwest of anchored to the northwest of scotland, bringing series of scotland, bringing a series of weather in. but those weather fronts in. but those weather fronts contain mild, albeit and increasingly albeit cloudy and increasingly wet weather. the wettest weather will be across scotland through the evening into northern england and eventually clearing from wales that rain sweeping into the midlands , east anglia into the midlands, east anglia and the southeast. by the end of the night, where we've got the cloud and rain, it stays mild, 8 to celsius, but clearer

to 10 celsius, but clearer spells scotland northern spells for scotland and northern ireland begin ireland colder here as we begin thursday but blustery thursday, but blustery with strengthening winds. gales for the west and the north of scotland and had quite a number of showers moving in across northern ireland and scotland. those showers in the colder air falling snow above around 2 falling as snow above around 2 or 300m. the showers also falling into wales in the southwest but east anglia in the south—east stays dull and damp through the day , albeit with through the day, albeit with milder air in place. the cold conditions, though, develop widely by friday, with a system bringing some outbreaks of rain and hill snow to wales. the nonh and hill snow to wales. the north midlands , northern north midlands, northern england, northern ireland and eventually into parts of scotland . rain showers for the scotland. rain showers for the south and in the far north it stays bright, but by saturday and sunday many places will be a little milder, with a mix of bright spells and showers . highs bright spells and showers. highs of 11 celsius look like things are heating up . are heating up. >> boxt boilers sponsors of weather on .

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