gb news. good morning , welcome to the good morning, welcome to the camilla tominey show >> goodness me, it's been another busy week in westminster and we're going to have a very busy show reflect that as busy show to reflect that as labour lost rochdale to george galloway and rishi sunak gave a speech on the steps of downing street end to mob street calling for an end to mob rule . it seems lee anderson is rule. it seems lee anderson is old news, with this week bringing yet more record immigration figures. and amid an ongoing row over the threat from rising islamic extremism, former immigration minister robert jenrick will be joining me in the studio to give us his two pennies i'll speaking pennies worth. i'll be speaking to secretary to shadow education secretary bridget . what does bridget phillipson. what does the re—emergence of a politician who of making bradford

who boasted of making bradford an israel free zone and has described hamas terrorists as fighters mean for labour and its muslim voters on wednesday? of course, all eyes and ears will be on jeremy hunts spring budget. i'm delighted to say that the chancellor will be joining in studio joining me later in the studio as i grill him. on whether his economic measures can really turn the country , not to turn around the country, not to mention tories electoral mention the tories electoral hopes. former chancellor lord norman lamont will also be joining me in the studio to give his reaction to his successors proposals and at the end of another busy week for donald trump, with an appearance at the us, mexico border, jason miller, his former chief spokesman and senior , will be joining senior adviser, will be joining me from washington to share me live from washington to share his thoughts on the 2024 presidential race. it's going to be a roller coaster, 90 minutes of punchy political chat , so of punchy political chat, so don't go anywhere.

as ever, on a sunday morning, we're going to kick off with the papers and i'm delighted to be joined. now by sam lister, political daily political editor at the daily express. to see you express. sam, lovely to see you this lots go at this morning. lots to go at actually, let's go with actually, but let's go with budget because all of budget bonanza because all of the obviously are trying the papers obviously are trying to what jeremy hunt's to predict what jeremy hunt's going to in the budget. he going to put in the budget. he does interviews. he's done does these interviews. he's done one telegraph one with the sunday telegraph talking to war on talking about going to war on whitehall . fair enough. talking about going to war on whi'don't . fair enough. talking about going to war on whi'don't you . fair enough. talking about going to war on whi'don't you findzair enough. talking about going to war on whi'don't you find it r enough. talking about going to war on whi'don't you find it quitergh. but don't you find it quite funny he these rounds funny that he does these rounds and people say, what's in the budget he goes, no, and people say, what's in the bud sorry, he goes, no, and people say, what's in the bud sorry, i he goes, no, and people say, what's in the bud sorry, i can't, he goes, no, and people say, what's in the bud sorry, i can't, ire goes, no, and people say, what's in the bud sorry, i can't, i can'tzs, no, and people say, what's in the bud sorry, i can't, i can't tello, you. >> and what's the point? why do we through this dance we go through this dance every twice it? so, twice a year now? isn't it? so, um, very difficult um, very, very difficult for, uh, like you to try uh, interviewers like you to try and something out of him, uh, interviewers like you to try and i'm something out of him, uh, interviewers like you to try and i'm sure ething out of him, uh, interviewers like you to try and i'm sure you1g out of him, uh, interviewers like you to try and i'm sure you willrt of him, uh, interviewers like you to try and i'm sure you will succeed, but i'm sure you will succeed, camilla. we'll try our best. um, but, um. yeah, i mean, obviously, we're in this pre—budget period now. everyone's pre—budget period now. evenbute's pre—budget period now. evenbut we're really in kind of um, but we're really in kind of scrabbling around in the back of the sofa territory here. yes uh, there clearly is no money gone. it's disappeared. it started out at 30 billion. we hear now it's down to around 12 billion. you've got to save around half of for rainy day of that just for rainy day

purposes , which leaves you with purposes, which leaves you with only it's not purposes, which leaves you with 0|lot it's not purposes, which leaves you with 0|lot of it's not purposes, which leaves you with 0|lot of money it's not purposes, which leaves you with 0|lot of money to it's not purposes, which leaves you with 0|lot of money to play t's not purposes, which leaves you with 0|lot of money to play with.t purposes, which leaves you with 0|lot of money to play with. so a lot of money to play with. so he's looking clearly at measures to bit of money here. to grab a bit of money here. grab a bit there. grab a bit of money there. >> not very sexy. >> not very sexy. >> this is not to win an election. it's not. it's the >> this is not to win an elecbranded not. it's the >> this is not to win an elec branded today. it's the >> this is not to win an elec branded today. the, s the >> this is not to win an elecbranded today. the, uh1e >> this is not to win an elecbranded today. the, uh the sun branded today. the, uh the tesco helps tesco budget. every little helps . and so he's taken a bit potentially from people who have second homes and rent them out to people little bit here, to people a little bit here, a little bit there. absolutely. to people a little bit here, a litt|maybe1ere. absolutely. to people a little bit here, a littimaybe he'llabsolutely. to people a little bit here, a littimaybe he'll tryolutely. to people a little bit here, a littimaybe he'll try andely. to people a little bit here, a littimaybe he'll try and tap up >> maybe he'll try and tap up angela that front and angela rayner on that front and there's story about that there's a story about that in there's a story about that in the on sunday. um, but also the mail on sunday. um, but also this argument actually he this argument that actually he has to prudent. has to be prudent. it's difficult , isn't it? people are difficult, isn't it? people are crying out for tax cuts. there's a sort of debate going on, at least among the commentariat, as to should be i to whether it should be i or £0.02 income tax. he's then £0.02 off income tax. he's then kind rolled out this pledge kind of rolled out this pledge to whitehall to cut this whitehall waste. although, we've heard although, hang on, we've heard that before. um, he's saying that all before. um, he's saying that all before. um, he's saying that that's going to save so many . but don't people many billion. but don't people need see call in the need to see what we call in the trade offerings ? they trade retail offerings? they have clear about have to be really clear about what getting. what they're getting. >> to be very, very >> yeah, it has to be very, very simple it has have simple. and it has to have a real impact people's pockets.

real impact in people's pockets. yes, no point at this yes, there is no point at this point a few out from point a few months out from a general election doing something point a few months out from a generalsomething)ing something point a few months out from a generalsomething clever mething point a few months out from a generalsomething clever ,1ething tricksy, something clever, something, you know, we take a bit here, we take a bit there. it to be very, very clear it has to be very, very clear what mps are telling is they what mps are telling me is they need very clear offer to need a very clear offer to voters. need able to voters. they need to be able to go doorstep and sell go out on the doorstep and sell something after last something. and after the last few of real hardship few years of real hardship following, to be fair, the covid pandemic, of pandemic, the invasion of ukraine, the government coffers have really been stretched . have really been stretched. people but people do understand that. but i think now patience has run thin. they to see, um, some, some they want to see, um, some, some real action that makes a big impact in their pockets. and that's tory want to be that's what tory mps want to be able doorstep. so able to sell on the doorstep. so he something quite, he has to make something quite, um, offer on um, big, a big offer on wednesday. but obviously the finances are very restrictive. i mean , they can say on the mean, they can say on the doorstep we've cut tax. >> if he does come out with a tax wednesday. but at tax cut on wednesday. but at the same people same time, i suppose people might well, were the might think, well, you were the ones up the first ones who put it up in the first place. your place. you've broken your manifesto course, place. you've broken your man got 0 course, place. you've broken your man got rachel course, place. you've broken your man got rachel reeves. course, place. you've broken your man got rachel reeves. i course, place. you've broken your man got rachel reeves. i knowe, he's got rachel reeves. i know rachel been in the rachel reeves has been in the right quite lot. rachel reeves has been in the righ'did quite lot. rachel reeves has been in the righ'did an quite lot. rachel reeves has been in the righ'did an interviewe lot. rachel reeves has been in the righ'did an interview with)t. rachel reeves has been in the righ'did an interview with the she did an interview with the telegraph yesterday. she's in

she did an interview with the telesunih yesterday. she's in she did an interview with the telesun on'esterday. she's in she did an interview with the telesun on sundayr. she's in she did an interview with the telesun on sunday today,. in she did an interview with the telesun on sunday today, so the sun on sunday today, so she's hoping to she's on manoeuvres, hoping to enfice she's on manoeuvres, hoping to entice disgruntled tories entice some disgruntled tories over labour camp, which over to the labour camp, which is interesting. the other big story weekend, is, of story of the weekend, sam is, of course , the terror threat and course, the terror threat and people are reacting and riffing off this speech that rishi sunak gave on friday. the odd timing that what did you make of it? >> very odd. it very >> it was very odd. it was very odd. got notice very odd. it was we got notice very late the day, uh, obviously late in the day, uh, obviously then that set hares racing. everyone's thinking, is this the prime minister announce prime minister about to announce a to a general election? they had to kind tell us all, kind of then tell us all, actually, this is not going actually, no, this is not going to about general election. actually, no, this is not going to aboutjt general election. actually, no, this is not going to about securityal election. actually, no, this is not going to about security . election. actually, no, this is not going to about security . um,tion. actually, no, this is not going to about security . um, but. actually, no, this is not going to about security . um, but to it's about security. um, but to make a statement downing make a statement in downing street quite unusual street, it's quite an unusual thing it usually is thing to do. it usually is because were announcing because you were announcing a general election because you've won because been won one, or because there's been a attack. i don't a terror attack. i don't remember just a general remember one. just on a general kind of point of principle like this , particularly a this, particularly not on a friday it's late friday night when it's too late to make the 6:00 news. >> political editor of >> as a political editor of a national newspaper have say, >> as a political editor of a natiothe newspaper have say, >> as a political editor of a natiothe front3aper have say, >> as a political editor of a natiothe front page.have say, hold the front page. >> absolutely. we had up >> absolutely. we had to rip up our page . but our front page. but unfortunately the chancellor unfortunately for the chancellor , was be on our , he was going to be on our front but he was, uh, front page. but he was, uh, he

was bumped the minister was bumped by the prime minister >> was weird timing. >> that was weird timing. >> that was weird timing. >> very he wanted to do >> it was very he wanted to do all budget all of the budget stuff. >> talking >> and suddenly we're talking about we now about extremism. yeah. um we now hear the on sunday hear from the mail on sunday that the terror threat is the highest since 9/11. highest it's been since 9/11. >> yeah, i don't think that will come as surprise to people come as a surprise to people because the impact of come as a surprise to people bec middle the impact of come as a surprise to people bec middle east, the impact of come as a surprise to people bec middle east, um,e impact of come as a surprise to people bec middle east, um, unrest, of come as a surprise to people bec middle east, um, unrest, the the middle east, um, unrest, the invasion in, uh, clearly is having huge ramifications, not just in the uk but across the world. um, certainly in america. uh, and obviously we've seen across the uk the demonstrations owns the feeling of unrest , the owns the feeling of unrest, the feeling of tension. um, so i don't think anybody will be surprised by that. i think just on kind of very, um , very kind on a kind of very, um, very kind of personal level. i think a lot of personal level. i think a lot of mps do feel very, very much under threat personally, across the house, actually. it's not just limited to one party. this uh, and they do feel very, very concerned. obviously, we've seen mike announce that he is mike freer announce that he is standing because he's , um, standing down because he's, um, basically cannot cope anymore basically he cannot cope anymore with the level of threat . with the level of threat. >> word of those three female mps having to have bodyguards ,

mps having to have bodyguards, even though they're backbenchers now, . um, now, which is disturbing. um, and also, i suppose there is some chat and i'll put this to robert jenrick in just a moment, because he's going to come into the studio after you, know, the studio after you, you know, is commentary that the is it just a commentary that the government's are government's running? where are the great the solutions? it was a great speech. thought spoke speech. i thought he spoke brilliantly and he reflected very feelings very much the sort of feelings of middle england a way. but of middle england in a way. but at the same time, where are the actions? the measures? actions? where are the measures? ban then ? ban the marches, then? >> was it was his big thing >> it was it was his big thing was introduce a new was we will introduce a new framework that framework. and actually that doesn't feel very much to doesn't really feel very much to people at home, doesn't sound, it doesn't feel like an effective grabbing the bull by the , does it? effective grabbing the bull by the talking does it? effective grabbing the bull by the talking aboutt? effective grabbing the bull by the talking about balls. nice >> talking about balls. nice little red bull and the little segue. red bull and the horns being red bullish. now i mentioned this. we normally talk about but it is about politics, but it is a really big story this weekend andifs really big story this weekend and it's been covered of and it's been covered in all of the spice, geri the papers. gerry spice, geri horner, halliwell she was horner, geri halliwell she was once appears at the once known appears at the bahrain prix after mr bahrain grand prix after mr horner has been accused, obviously, of sending these texts. we haven't got the contents text for privacy

contents of the text for privacy and other legal reasons, but at the same time i just thought we'd conversation, woman we'd have a conversation, woman to woman, about what you feel about of being about geri sort of being produced onto the world stage at the formula one to look as if everything's fine . it was like a everything's fine. it was like a tammy wynette stand by your man moment. was it was all a bit moment. it was it was all a bit 90s sleaze, wasn't it? >> you know, the kind of, um, the tory from the 90s the kind of tory mp from the 90s wheeling wife to wheeling out his wife to the gate garden see gate of the garden to see nothing, to see here. everything is mean, goes on in is fine. i mean, what goes on in a you know, who a marriage, you know, who knows? but wheeling wife in but wheeling out the wife in this always a uh, this way is always a bit, uh, sticks my have to sticks in my craw. i have to say. you know, there she was in the designer dress. um, the white designer dress. um, she his yeah she only holding his hand? yeah >> um, which is an interesting policy from a fashion perspective, then perspective, but. but then again, if she hadn't have turned up the grand prix him, up at the grand prix with him, it looked really it would have looked really sussed , wouldn't it? mean, sussed, wouldn't it? i mean, she's for the she's taken one for the for the red i would suggest. red bull team. i would suggest. >> kind damned if >> yeah, she's kind of damned if she she doesn't. she does, damned if she doesn't. but in day but i feel like in this day and age, really to be age, the women really have to be wheeled in this way. i think wheeled out in this way. i think it's a bit sad, really. >> i i the public >> i know i think the public sympathy jerry's side

sympathy will be on jerry's side very i very much. yeah um, now, i wanted finish with this wanted to finish with this because and because i know gb viewers and listeners very familiar because i know gb viewers and liste|that very familiar because i know gb viewers and liste|that theme amiliar because i know gb viewers and liste|that theme tunear because i know gb viewers and liste|that theme tune of with that iconic theme tune of bergerac . what's happening in with that iconic theme tune of bergnews. what's happening in with that iconic theme tune of bergnews with at's happening in with that iconic theme tune of bergnews with bergeracening in with that iconic theme tune of bergnews with bergerac ?ing in the news with bergerac? >> sam, it's coming back! yayi >> sam, it's coming back! yay! great news. bergerac sunday night viewing everyone loved bergerac. bit of bergerac. i mean, a bit of glamour lovely cars, crimes glamour, lovely cars, crimes with jim nettles and somebody else. i think it's going to be somebody else. but apparently big promised on this. big names are promised on this. >> which big do we think? >> which big names do we think? >> which big names do we think? >> know? know. >> we don't know? we don't know. we don't know. >> i'm we don't know. >> guessing i'm just we don't know. >> guessing that'm just we don't know. >> guessing that i'm just ust just guessing that i'm just a bomber jacket just guessing that i'm just a bomberjacket and a e—type. >> yeah. great. sounds lovely . >> yeah. great. sounds lovely. >> yeah. great. sounds lovely. >> so. so back to jersey with crime being top of the agenda. top tv agenda. sam. top of the tv agenda. sam. always lovely to have you in studio. you for us studio. thank you for taking us through what's been going on this now now the this morning. now now the people's panel, which we know and is in birmingham . and and love is in birmingham. and don't forget, birmingham is in trouble the council, the trouble because the council, the labour run council, has just announced bankrupt. announced it's going bankrupt. so speak so i'm very intrigued to speak to jack carson's, who's there in birmingham the people's birmingham with the people's panel morning find out panel this morning to find out what the main topic of conversation it's a

conversation is. and it's not a no go is it? i know paul no go zone is it? i know paul scully described birmingham or parts that in parts of birmingham like that in the week, but how are the good folk jack folk there? jack >> well, it's certainly been a very friendly welcome this morning here, camilla at the cherry reds cafe right in the city centre of birmingham. cherry reds cafe right in the citybutitre of birmingham. cherry reds cafe right in the citybut of of birmingham. cherry reds cafe right in the citybut of course,1ingham. cherry reds cafe right in the citybut of course, asgham. cherry reds cafe right in the citybut of course, as you1. cherry reds cafe right in the citybut of course, as you were >> but of course, as you were mentioning, a really big week. not, for the not, of course, just for the country but country with the budget, but also here in also the council here in birmingham vote on birmingham are going to vote on their budget. course, birmingham are going to vote on theirall budget. course, birmingham are going to vote on theirallthesejet. course, birmingham are going to vote on their all these hundreds jrse, birmingham are going to vote on their all these hundreds of e, with all these hundreds of millions of pounds worth of cuts coming that coming because of that bankruptcy, we've got our people's this people's panel here. this morning dennis, morning with sabrina dennis, steve and andrew steve hardiman and andrew goodacre us this morning. goodacre with us this morning. sabrina, we're going to come to you. first. run youth you. first. you run a youth charity the city. of charity here in the city. of course, also got a bridget course, we've also got a bridget phillipson on the on the panel on the show today. what kind of questions have got today ? questions have you got today? >> i'm interested to know what would they're thinking >> i'm interested to know what would investment'e thinking >> i'm interested to know what would investment'e tiouring >> i'm interested to know what would investment'e tiour young about investment for our young people the future. i mean, people in the future. i mean, we've looked everything and we've looked at everything and there's to there's cuts everywhere, cuts to school cuts to school budgets, cuts, cuts to youth services , cuts to charity youth services, cuts to charity work, cuts to everything . work, cuts to everything. there's spaces for young there's no safe spaces for young people. to know what they

people. i want to know what they are planning our are planning to do with our young people, there is young people, because there is nothing them. nothing for them. >> steve, run >> okay. and steve, you run a manufacturing in manufacturing business here in the west midlands budget this week . what could jeremy hunt or week. what could jeremy hunt or what you, what questions what have you, what questions have what have you, what questions havwell, like to know what what have you, what questions havvgoing like to know what what have you, what questions havvgoing to ike to know what what have you, what questions havvgoing to do to know what what have you, what questions havvgoing to do forknow what what have you, what questions havvgoing to do for smeswhat what have you, what questions havvgoing to do for smeswh the he's going to do for smes in the budget. i've never known such a hostile business environment as the one we're living in at the moment . and basically, i'm moment. and basically, i'm hoping that he's going to give us some sort of relief from the terrible troubles that we've had, but i doubt whether we're going to get that. >> okay. and andrew, you're part of the british independent retailers what retailers association. so what kind questions have you got kind of questions have you got for chancellor and for, you for the chancellor and for, you know, later today about about know, later on today about about the coming week the budget ? the coming week in the budget? >> steve's business >> well, like steve's business is an sme. members is an sme. our members independent retailers are smes. so we certainly want to see something budget that something in the budget that helps independent retailers, the high have struggled high streets have struggled in the crisis . we the cost of living crisis. we need something that's going to give economic growth, give us growth, economic growth, economic certainty boost economic certainty and boost consumer spending wider than that. consumer spending wider than that . we need to know what

that. we need to know what what's the what's the plan for local communities who need investment , but who need investment, but who need alternative ways of thinking , alternative ways of thinking, not just for our generation, but for younger generations as well? >> well thank you very >> perfect. well thank you very much panel for much for all of the panel for those questions. some big topics for discuss today. camilla >> always big topics to discuss. thank you for that. jack and the people's panellists. don't people's panellists. now don't move because in just a move a muscle because in just a few i'm going be few minutes i'm going to be joined formerimmigration joined by former immigration minister jenrick, who'll minister robert jenrick, who'll be the studio address be here in the studio to address what we should doing about what we should be doing about the from islamic the threat from islamic extremism. the government extremism. is the government doing well also, of doing enough? well also, of course, be speaking to bridget phillipson and i'll speaking phillipson and i'll be speaking to lamont and the to norman lamont and the chancellor, jeremy hunt, in just a moment. don't go anywhere

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conservative mp for newark. nice to see you, robert. good morning. you coming morning. thank you for coming back you've back into the studio. you've written really interesting op written a really interesting op ed, opinion piece in the mail ed, an opinion piece in the mail on sunday, headlined on sunday, which is headlined why the consider it why does the left consider it islamophobe to want to expel the cancer of extremism from britain? a very compelling britain? it's a very compelling piece where you talk about what the government be doing the government should be doing now. my first question now. i suppose my first question is, your reaction to what is, what's your reaction to what rishi said on the steps of rishi sunak said on the steps of downing street on friday night? it was punchy rhetoric , but i it was punchy rhetoric, but i thought conspicuous by thought it was conspicuous by its absence actual measures its absence of actual measures to what's going to stop what's going on. >> well, thought was a good >> well, i thought it was a good start. it's important to recognise problem if you're recognise the problem if you're going to start to fix it. recognise the problem if you're going to start to fix it . but going to start to fix it. but you're right that at you're absolutely right that at this stage all that matters this late stage all that matters are solutions and the first one to me is that you cannot resolve this problem, build a more unhed this problem, build a more united country, which is what the prime minister was calling for a more cohesive country built around british values. unless you end this era of mass migration, we've been living in

a time where up to a million people have arrived in our country every year, and is impossible to successfully integrate so many people. the level of migration that we've experienced as a country over the last 30 years has been unpressed dented, and that needs to change. >> so are you saying that we've been importing islamic extremists? i mean, at the same time, many of the people that may be that vocal minority calling for jihad the may be that vocal minority calling forjihad the streets calling for jihad on the streets of london could be born here. >> absolutely . but i think it's >> absolutely. but i think it's an part of the an important part of the solution that you can't solution to say that you can't integrate people at this pace. and we have to row back on that now, and we have to move to a system where immigration is controlled and orderly, and the numbers are just very significantly fewer. but that's not the only part of the solution. >> do we move back to tens of thousands? >>i thousands? >> i think we need to. i was elected on a manifesto pledge of tens of thousands. if you look at all of the polling of the pubuc at all of the polling of the public that is around the level that they would expect, in fact, many people would like to be

many people would like it to be less and for range less than that. and for a range of reasons, just these of reasons, not just these important social questions economically, in terms of the pressure on housing and public services, we've got to get it down to that level. >> we're migration >> we're told mass migration is a thing economy a great thing for the economy because paying because more people are paying tax . you this is something tax. you know, this is something i'll the chancellor, i'll put to the chancellor, this idea migration has idea that migration has overwhelmingly economic overwhelmingly good economic benefits. i mean, i think that's been disproven by the that been disproven by the fact that there's of housing there's a shortage of housing and services are and our public services are seeming to be completely crippled . but at the same time, crippled. but at the same time, the treasury seems to be addicted well addicted to migration. well i think there's mounting evidence to support what you've just said for past seven quarters, the for the past seven quarters, the british economy has shrunk by gdp per capita. >> and i think that is all that should matter to our government and to politicians. i don't care about the size of the pie overall. i care about the wealth and prosperity of each and every one of our fellow citizens . one of our fellow citizens. >> why won't government ministers put cap on ministers put a cap on migration? mean, i've had so migration? i mean, i've had so many seat, and many people in that seat, and i've asked question i've asked them that question and resist it. even

and they just resist it. even though david was really though david cameron was really clear tens of clear when he gave his tens of thousand pledge. >> think we should move >> well, i think we should move to of system , and i to that kind of system, and i think now need to move think we now need to move to something that's radically different. i was pleased that at the year, i brokered the end of last year, i brokered the end of last year, i brokered the reduction in the biggest reduction in migration seen for migration that we've seen for a very long time, which will lead to 300,000 fewer people coming in . but that's in each year. but that's not enough. need to go much enough. we need to go much further than that. and in the piece i've written today in the mail on sunday, i'm drawing the connection between that and the fraying social fabric that we're seeing as a country. and that, i think, is a very important element of this. >> you risking being >> aren't you risking being accused islamophobia with accused of islamophobia with some of interventions ? um, some of these interventions? um, we've heard from others , we've heard from others, including nick timothy, who was theresa may's former adviser. he's candidate , a tory he's now a candidate, a tory candidate, think, suffolk . candidate, i think, in suffolk. he's saying that the he's saying that actually the government needs to much, government needs to go much, much further, not only should they marches, they ban the marches, they should funding of should also stop the funding of mosques and islamic centres. do you that ? you agree with that? >> agree with much of what >> i do agree with much of what nick has said. we need a completely different approach to

this and you're right say this and you're right to say that many people are too afraid to intervene in this debate , to intervene in this debate, because either they want to pretend this doesn't exist or they know it does, but they're afraid of being labelled as an islamophobe and that is not a healthy way for us to proceed. >> it's lee anderson, an islamophobe robe. >> no, don't think he is. >> no, i don't think he is. >> no, i don't think he is. >> should he have the whip restored? you think? i mean, >> should he have the whip restihej? you think? i mean, >> should he have the whip restihe said you think? i mean, >> should he have the whip restihe said anything k? i mean, >> should he have the whip restihe said anything wrong? an, >> should he have the whip restihe said anything wrong? he has he said anything wrong? he said worse than what said nothing worse than what david said about sadiq david cameron said about sadiq khan said the leader khan in 2016. he said the leader of the labour party is saying it's disgraceful, telling him he's to somebody . the he's referring to somebody. the honourable member for tooting has appeared on platform with has appeared on a platform with an extremist nine times. cameron said this man is said at the time. this man is supports islamic he supports the islamic state. he pointed out. then had zac pointed out. we then had zac goldsmith saying that sadiq khan was politician who had quotes was a politician who had quotes given oxygen and even given platforms oxygen and even cover over and over again to those who seek to do our police and actually, and capital harm. so actually, lee said nothing worse lee anderson said nothing worse than foreign secretary and than the foreign secretary and zac a former minister. >> well, lee is not an

islamophobe. he made comments which were mistaken. he's clarified those now , and i think clarified those now, and i think we need to move on, because the problem with what happened over the last week is that it's closed down. the debate on the really important issue, which is that we have a problem in this country with islamist extremism and we need a proper national conversation about that and a strategy to tackle it. all that matters now are the solutions, and they are reducing mass migration , ending this era of migration, ending this era of careless, naive mass migration. having a new strategy, taking the prevent programme forward with the reforms that suella braverman tell me about prevent is prevent fit for purpose currently. >> i mean, i know william shawcross not working, expressed concern about it. >> that's right. william shawcroft did a very important review, which is being implemented, but it needs to be implemented, but it needs to be implemented very quickly and at the heart of the problem that he identified is that it has been a victim of political correctness. the overwhelming majority of the people who we should be

concerned about today , they are concerned about today, they are islamist extremists . that islamist extremists. that doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned about the far right, the far right is just as divisive and destructive of, but it is a smaller threat today than islamist extremism. therefore, the majority of our effort and focus should be on islamist extremism. and that is not the way that the prevent programme is working today. so we need to reform acas it on the real threat to our country and not be afraid to do that out of misplaced political correctness. >> do you think that there's a problem that enough problem, that not enough moderate are calling out moderate muslims are calling out the extremists midst as well? >> islamist extremism is not islam , and it's not the law islam, and it's not the law abiding british muslim population. >> and we need to make that clear. and it's wrong when people label those of us who are very concerned about islamist extremism as anti—muslim. i care just as much about anti—muslim hatred and prejudice in this country as i do about anti—semitism, for example, not

anti—semitism, for example, not a competition in between the two. we do want need to see. i think , more muslim voices , think, more muslim voices, moderate muslim voices, and there are many people who are making this point coming out and leading this national conversation about how we can get rid of expel this cancer of islamophobia, of anti muslim hatred from the country , wants hatred from the country, wants him for all we see on the front of the mail on sunday that it's now considered that the threat level to people living in britain is the highest it has been since nine over 11. >> do you think there's a correlation between how the police have handled the marches and this fear of extremism escalating even further ? do you escalating even further? do you think the police are perhaps treating the marches almost with kid gloves because they don't want to into, god want it to escalate into, god forbid , a terror attack at some forbid, a terror attack at some point? well i want to see as in fact, the prime minister said last , more active policing. >> we don't want to just manage these protests. we want to police these protests. and many

people , for example, british people, for example, british jews have found the police to be too passive and i found this and have spoken out about this many times. for example , when you had times. for example, when you had a hate preacher near oxford street calling for jihad and the police stood by and allowed that individual to continue, that's completely unacceptable . i mean, completely unacceptable. i mean, it was wrong. >> that led some people to say, oh, jihad has got many different meanings. it's wrong as well, surely? that both factually >> well, that was both factually wrong . wrong. >> it was a misreading of jihad. but it was also completely unacceptable . we need to have a unacceptable. we need to have a much stronger policing presence on the streets of london and elsewhere, to the people who projected from the river to the sea on to big ben, they should have been arrested immediately. sea on to big ben, they should havshouldn't'ested immediately. sea on to big ben, they should hav shouldn't'este sitnmediately. sea on to big ben, they should hav shouldn't'este sit back iately. sea on to big ben, they should hav shouldn't'este sit back and y. we shouldn't just sit back and allow that to happen. i thought that a act, which that was a gross act, which really symbolised where we'd got to as a country where a genocidal chant could be projected onto our parliament. whilst parliament itself was debating some of these issues. i

think that is an example of where the british public are crying out for much stronger policing. and i think there's a fear that there is cowardice here. people are not willing to step up and take the action that's necessary, isn't it, from the prime minister, because on one suella one hand, he decides that suella braverman go. braverman must go. >> the home secretary, the former secretary worked former home secretary who worked closely office closely with at the home office because pointing that because she's pointing out that the are picking the police are picking favourites and that there taking sides. and is repeatedly sides. and she is repeatedly warned against islamic extremism and said about the dangers he then gives a speech in downing street basically saying exactly what suella has been saying has this now vindicated? braverman do ? do you think? >> i think of the arguments >> i think many of the arguments that was making 4 or 5 that suella was making 4 or 5 months ago have been proven to be absolutely right? is there a genuine concern that there is a two tier policing in this country ? yes. i think that she country? yes. i think that she was right to say that. that's a concern . would some of these concern. would some of these incidents be policed differently were they a far right versus , were they a far right versus,

um, the islamic extremist element that we're seeing? i think there's a strong case to say that there is. but what matters now, i think, is less around the personal deities or the sentiments. i'm pleased to see that the prime minister has adopted much of the rhetoric that suella and i have been saying for for, several months, what matters are solutions and answers to this question . that's answers to this question. that's what the public is crying out for now. >> really briefly, because we're running time. running out of time. >> galloway >> rochdale. george galloway i mean, now a no mean, has that now become a no go area for jews, mean, has that now become a no go area forjews, do think? go area for jews, do you think? no i don't think so. >> and i certainly hope not. i think concerning that think it's very concerning that george galloway elected the george galloway was elected the campaign was a nasty and sectarian campaign . i don't like sectarian campaign. i don't like to see someone standing for office in our country putting the flag of another

for. welcome back so much more to come in the next hour. we've got

chancellor jeremy come in the next hour. we've got chancellorjeremy hunt. can his budget turn around the fortunes of the country as well as the tories? and i'll be speaking to shadow secretary shadow education secretary bridget in just bridget phillipson in just a minute. for her take on whether labour needs to start worrying about threat independent about the threat of independent candidates taking on safe seats at the next general election. but first, here's the morning's headunes but first, here's the morning's headlines with sam francis . headlines with sam francis. >> camilla, thank you very much. it's just gone 10:00 and we start with our top story of the day that thousands of people have taken to the streets in pro—palestine protests across britain. this weekend, after the prime minister's warning earlier this week of extreme threats. campaigners also targeted around 50 barclays bank branches, which they accuse of having financial ties with suppliers of weapons . ties with suppliers of weapons. police ordered the protesters to move on and they cited the section 14 of the public order act . it comes after rishi act. it comes after rishi sunak's speech in downing street

on friday, when he warned that islamist extremists and far right groups are, he says , right groups are, he says, spreading poison in british democracy . the government is democracy. the government is reportedly considering blocking hate preachers from entering britain, with more people added to warning lists. britain, with more people added to warning lists . reports to warning lists. reports suggest that current powers could be used to increase the number of people who were prevented from entering the country, if they're deemed to be non—conducive to public good. that could include those who preach racism, intimidate or incite violence . currently, the incite violence. currently, the rules are typically used to ban people who are known to pose a security threat . the chancellor security threat. the chancellor has suggested that changes to tax could come into force, with reforms targeting holiday lets. levies on vaping and changes to non—dom statuses are all under consideration . ahead of consideration. ahead of wednesday's announcement, the treasury has also revealed an £800 million tech package to boost productivity in the nhs

and police, with new a! and drones . labour says the drones. labour says the suggested reforms , though, are suggested reforms, though, are spin without substance as forecasts also appear to show that jeremy hunt has little to no headroom for tax cuts , which no headroom for tax cuts, which will limit the prospect of any pre—election giveaways . labour pre—election giveaways. labour will ensure that compulsory training on violence against women and girls is given to all police officers in the uk . police officers in the uk. that's following the inquiry into sarah everard's killer, wayne couzens labour's also vowed to revamp police vetting procedures to stop those with a history of domestic abuse or sexual offences from joining any police force. a published report this week found that wayne couzens should never have been given a job as a police officer, and the chances to stop the sexual predator were repeatedly ignored and missed. today marks three years since he killed sarah everard, who was 33 at the time, after tricking her into thinking she was being arrested.

he has since been sentenced to life in prison and will never be released . and finally , rail released. and finally, rail passengers in england and wales face a new 5% price hike from today. that's despite train cancellations being among the worst in the last ten years. campaign argue the public are being unfairly punished by the increase . it comes after increase. it comes after thousands of services were cancelled in the past year. one of the worst performances in the rail industry's history. travel expert simon calder told gb news this morning what it will mean for passengers. >> to put it into context, there's one particular journey from didcot parkway in oxfordshire to swindon . it only oxfordshire to swindon. it only takes 14 minutes. um, it's about 24 miles and that is going to be going up to over £30 for less than a quarter of a mile, a quarter of an hour of rail travel, and people are understandably cheesed off. i mean, it's as though your your

rail ticket is now actually a kind of on the spot. fine >> those are the headlines. i'll be back at 11 for more of the top stories . be back at 11 for more of the top stories. in the meantime, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your screen. or course, go to your screen. or of course, go to our website, gb news. common alerts . alerts. >> thank you sam. welcome back to the camilla tominey show. still lots more to come in just a minute. we'll be joined by the chancellor, jeremy hunt. where i'll to the heart of i'll try to get to the heart of what spring what will be in his spring budget next budget announcement next wednesday start wednesday. will this start to bnng wednesday. will this start to bring much needed good news bring some much needed good news for cabinet? i'll be for sunak's cabinet? i'll be asking the shadow education secretary bridget phillipson, whether taxes whether angela rayner's taxes need to have a closer examination . i'll also be joined examination. i'll also be joined by the former chancellor lord norman lamont, an in—depth norman lamont, for an in—depth pre—spring budget analysis. following my interview with his successor, jeremy hunt, and jason miller, former chief jason miller, the former chief spokesman and senior adviser to trump will be live from washington latest washington with the latest verdict the donald is

verdict on how the donald is faring and whether he can fend off those court cases ahead of the presidential elections. well i'm hoping now to be joined by shadow secretary for shadow secretary of state for education bridget phillipson, the houghton and the mp for houghton and sunderland mrs. sunderland south. mrs. phillipson , i know it's quite phillipson, i know it's quite loud there. i hope you can hear me. first of all, i wanted to ask you you agreed ask you whether you agreed with the he said the prime minister when he said that got extreme that we've got an extreme problem with islamic fundamentalism in britain today. >> hello. good morning . i am >> hello. good morning. i am slightly struggling to hear you so i'll do my very best with your questions. i do think we need to make sure that extremism is being tackled in whatever form or shape that takes, and i agree with the prime minister that it agree with the prime minister thatitis agree with the prime minister that it is essential as a country, that we make sure that violence that hatred is, is tackled . tackled. >> are you worried particularly about islamic extremism in schools ? i mean, we note that schools? i mean, we note that that teacher in batley is still in hiding after three years. of course, that is completely

unacceptable. >> and i am worried about extremism right across the board. it takes different shapes and different forms and sadly it has led us to the position where there has been unacceptable violence and intimidation across our society. how would labour change things? >> miss phillipson ? i've heard >> miss phillipson? i've heard from robert jenrick in the studio today saying he studio today saying that he thinks mass migration is a problem and that we need to put a cap on immigration. do you problem and that we need to put a cap withnmigration. do you problem and that we need to put a cap with himiration. do you problem and that we need to put a cap with him ?ition. do you problem and that we need to put a cap with him ? well do you problem and that we need to put a cap with him ? well we you problem and that we need to put a cap with him ? well we ofj agree with him? well we of course we need a migration system that responds to the needs of the economy and has done so in a balanced way. >> but i'm not i'm not convinced that that kind rhetoric is that that kind of rhetoric is going aid the conversation going to aid the conversation that we have as country about that we have as a country about how we make sure we are tackling extreme millom and connecting the that of the two in that kind of way, i don't think is necessarily the right be doing things. right way to be doing things. >> he's making point >> i mean, he's making the point that we accepted 745,000 people into the uk last year. that's a record high. and his point is it's very difficult to police who's coming in when the numbers are that . high.

are that. high. >> well he was the immigration minister, so i'm not quite sure what he's been doing with his time. thinks there's time. if he now thinks there's a problem. had some say in this problem. he had some say in this matter and you know, don't problem. he had some say in this matte know you know, don't problem. he had some say in this matte know why know, don't problem. he had some say in this matte know why he )w, don't problem. he had some say in this matte know why he now don't problem. he had some say in this matte know why he now thinks quite know why he now thinks it's somehow do with it's somehow all to do with someone else. mean, it is someone else. i mean, it is essential that we have strong borders. and borders. of course it is. and i want to action on the want to see more action on the criminal smuggling gangs. want criminal smuggling gangs. i want to stopping to make sure that we're stopping people perilous people making that perilous journey, that we clamp down journey, and that we clamp down on those gangs, that we see tougher action. and that's why labour would that labour would make sure that we've cross border we've got that cross border policing are policing unit so that we are taking action against it. >> labour make sure that >> would labour make sure that immigration is lower under sir keir starmer ? keir starmer? >> well, i would expect immigration to fall. it's partly been a record high because of the ukraine crisis and also the fact that we have quite rightly been taking in people from hong kong, for example . but i would kong, for example. but i would expect migration to fall . yes. expect migration to fall. yes. >> should labour take responsibility for the re—emergence of george galloway in rochdale ? i mean, let's be in rochdale? i mean, let's be honest, it was a safe labour seat. so if it hadn't have been

for your candidate's anti—semitic remarks causing him to be suspend ed, labour would have won that seat and galloway wouldn't be back in parliament. >> i deeply regret what has taken place in rochdale and i'm very sorry that we've ended up in this situation because labour had to pull our candidate because of those unacceptable comments, but sadly it was necessary and keir starmer took decisive action to make sure that he he was clear that the labour party had changed. that did mean that we effectively had to pull support from our candidate. didn't field a candidate. didn't field a candidate by—election candidate in that by—election but what we will make sure is that select a really that we will select a really strong candidate for the general election, which isn't far election, which isn't too far away, that candidate is away, and that that candidate is someone can seek to unite someone who can seek to unite the community more rather the community once more rather than division, which than stoke division, which i think sadly what we're likely think is sadly what we're likely to months to come. there >> although we learned today that labour candidate, that another labour candidate, mohammed , is being mohammed iqbal, is being investigated because of his support to azhar how support to azhar ali. so how many more labour candidates are having to be investigated for potentially anti—semitic views

as . as. >> you'll understand that we have a process in place where complaints are made and there is a full investigation and politicians don't involve ourselves in individual investigations or individual cases. but it is absolutely right that where concerns are raised, they are investigated. we've got strong processes in place that is why we ended up in a situation where we pulled support in support for our candidate in rochdale because the rochdale because of the unacceptable of those unacceptable nature of those comments, it does often come comments, so it does often come at a price, but it is the right thing do because we want thing to do because we want to make labour make sure that every labour candidate elected candidate who stands for elected office that office and going into that general election this year of general election this year is of a calibre and where we can a high calibre and where we can be confident in their ability. >> does angela rayner face questions this council questions over this council house? farage no. two houses. we now find out that the house that she may or may not have been living in some years ago, has had council money spent on it to lower a front kerb . there are lower a front kerb. there are questions to answer here. i mean, the thing is, is miss rayneris mean, the thing is, is miss rayner is the first to start accusing tories not having accusing tories of not having their affairs in order. she

their tax affairs in order. she should answer questions in the house shouldn't she ? house about this, shouldn't she? miss ? miss phillipson? >> my understanding is that where it comes to tax , angela where it comes to tax, angela rayner has sought advice and has been and is clear that she has done nothing wrong. i think on some of the wider points that you're then making there, i'll be honest, i find some that be honest, i find some of that quite because quite uncomfortable because it does to angela rayner's does relate to angela rayner's personal circumstances and her family . and i do think we need family. and i do think we need to be slightly careful around some because of this some of that, because of this does relate to at least one of her children. is my understanding, i know, but she's more than happy to throw stones at others when it comes to their own tax affairs . own tax affairs. >> i appreciate as >> i appreciate tax as a personal matter , but at the same personal matter, but at the same time questions to be time there are questions to be answered, about answered, aren't there, about whether she living this whether she was living in this home, it was actually a home, whether it was actually a second whether she's second home, and whether she's paid enough gains tax ? paid enough capital gains tax? if she's got nothing to hide, then surely she answers the questions put to her. questions that are put to her. >> well, i believe she has. and she has sought advice on the tax implications and has concluded

that she has followed the rules around all of that. but much, i think, of what you're describing is before angela was a member of parliament, i, i so i think there is a there is a distinction there. but alongside that where it relates to politics, families and their family circumstance and i think part of what you're talking about does fit into that category. then i do think we need to trout with just a little bit care, i know. bit of care, i know. >> labour was quite >> but then labour was quite critical prime minister's critical of the prime minister's wife's this is wife's tax affairs. so this is a bit hypocritical , isn't you bit hypocritical, isn't it? you can the tax affairs can scrutinise the tax affairs of others, but not your own . of others, but not your own. well, i think , i think part of well, i think, i think part of what i'm talking about is also where it comes to children in, in this. >> and we do need to , i think, >> and we do need to, i think, particularly exercise some care where it comes to children's privacy . but absolutely, i think privacy. but absolutely, i think where it comes to tax decisions that governments take, where there are potential benefits in there are potential benefits in the way that we've seen, i think thatis the way that we've seen, i think that is absolutely right, because the prime minister has

himself personally gained from from some of this. but if angela rayner has personally gained and there are tax implications and she needs to explain herself, doesn't she ? doesn't she? >> well , as i doesn't she? >> well, as i say, doesn't she? >> well , as i say, she doesn't she? >> well, as i say, she has answered questions on this and she sought advice and is confident that she's followed the rules. >> you've described tories >> you've described the tories childcare pledge as being in tatters. >> would labour do >> what would labour do differently? mrs. phillipson ? differently? mrs. phillipson? >> it is in tatters. it was a year ago that the chancellor promised places for parents new entitlements and as as those deadunes entitlements and as as those deadlines approach, parents are increasingly finding those opfions increasingly finding those options just aren't there because what we got from the chancellor at the last budget was a pledge with no plan to make it happen. i told you that labour will be different, that we we put the we will make sure we put the absolutely, put the absolutely, that we put the support in place that families need, make sure we've got need, but we make sure we've got a happen. that's a plan to make it happen. that's why david bell, why i've asked sir david bell, who the chief who was formerly the chief inspector , to lead inspector of ofsted, to lead labour's early years review to help that work in how help us develop that work in how we make sure we've got the places, got really

places, how we've got the really high provision that high quality provision that families but as first families need. but as a first step, set labour's plan step, i've set out labour's plan for that we've got for making sure that we've got universal free breakfast clubs in primary school in our in every primary school in our country. would a major country. that would make a major difference right difference to people right across country . and i think across our country. and i think would be, you know , gives gives would be, you know, gives gives children great their children a great start to their day. strong day. but also has really strong evidence in terms of evidence behind it in terms of better outcomes . better academic outcomes. >> bridget phillipson, thank you very for joining very much indeed forjoining us this you. that's this morning. thank you. that's the shadow education minister there speaking to me now , you there speaking to me now, you won't miss what's still won't want to miss what's still to today's just to come on today's show. in just a going be a minute i'm going to be speaking chancellor, speaking to the chancellor, jeremy see what he has speaking to the chancellor, jerstore see what he has speaking to the chancellor, jerstore for see what he has speaking to the chancellor, jerstore for us see what he has speaking to the chancellor, jerstore for us insee what he has speaking to the chancellor, jerstore for us in his what he has speaking to the chancellor, jerstore for us in his springe has in store for us in his spring budget wednesday. don't budget on wednesday. don't go anywhere

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emulate nigel lawson's economic boom .joining me now in emulate nigel lawson's economic boom . joining me now in the boom. joining me now in the studio is the chancellor of the exchequer, jeremy hunt. chancellor, lovely to see you. this morning. you much this morning. thank you so much for think it's your for coming in. i think it's your first on gb first appearance with me on gb news. it's great to have you news. so it's great to have you the first one in studio. the first one in the studio. indeed yes, done down indeed so yes, we've done down the um, can we the line interviews. um, can we start before on to start just before we get on to the budget about, uh, the budget to talk about, uh, rishi on friday rishi sunak's speech on friday outside downing street ? um, he outside downing street? um, he talked a lot about the current situation with extremism . situation with extremism. obviously, he was reacting to the of george galloway obviously, he was reacting to th

it's not safe to go out of their homes when they're going on. thatis homes when they're going on. that is not the british way, he said . the government will said. the government will legislate to ban intimidatory marches, give the police the powers they need to stop them. yes but he's also said that there's a response ability on all of us and he pointed out the vast majority of people on these protests want to protest peacefully . yes, they too have peacefully. yes, they too have a responsibility to call out extremism when it happens. >> why aren't people watching that speech and thinking, it's great you've identified the problems, are the problems, but what are the solutions? i mean, are solutions? i mean, people are saying, fact , um, solutions? i mean, people are saying, fact, um, james saying, in fact, um, james cleverly the home secretary cleverly at the home secretary has said, you know, you've made your marches. now your point with the marches. now just stop why doesn't the just stop them. why doesn't the government them? government stop them? we had suella studio suella braverman in the studio a few saying, police few weeks ago saying, the police have they're have got the powers. they're just not using them, so why not stop marches because stop the marches now? because unfortunately, stop the marches now? because unfortun by ly, stop the marches now? because unfortun by a small minority . hijacked by a small minority. >> well, have asked the >> well, we have asked the police use powers they police to use the powers they have. police to use the powers they have . as i said, we've also said have. as i said, we've also said that we legislate to give

that we will legislate to give them powers . we've them additional powers. we've said that we will expel people who cross that line on if they are foreign nationals. and we will prescribe organisation ones that promote those that kind of behaviour, like hizb ut—tahrir. but we are also very clear this is about our whole country. this is about our whole country. this is not just something for the government. this is about restoring that traditional british virtue of tolerance , british virtue of tolerance, that understanding that the way that understanding that the way that you get change in this country is through peaceful protest within the law. but if those protests are within the law of course we will always support people's right to do them. i mean, you've been a politician for a long time. >> do you feel more intimidated and threatened now than you have been well all been in the past? well all i actually live in downing street now, so i hear those protests s often at the weekend . often at the weekend. >> um, personally , i would never >> um, personally, i would never say that i'm worried, but i have

had very disturbing emails, particularly from jewish friends as us who say that some of this behaviour makes them frightened to go out of their front door, and that is not the britain that i want or i think anyone wants. and that's why it's right to take action. >> let's talk about the economic britain want . obviously britain that you want. obviously the budget, there's a of the budget, there's a lot of pressure to pressure on you on wednesday to deliver . many people are saying deliver. many people are saying this last chance for this is last chance saloon for the you recognise the tories. do you recognise that that this budget could be make when to make or break when it comes to the general election ? the next general election? >> course, budgets are very, >> of course, budgets are very, very important this very important moments. this is likely be the last budget likely to be the last budget before the general election . um, before the general election. um, but british people are very smart . they recognise but british people are very smart. they recognise gimmicks. um, they don't want any tricks. what they will get on wednesday is a prudent and responsible plan for long firm growth . i plan for long firm growth. i mean, do they want prudence? >> mr hunt ? at mean, do they want prudence? >> mr hunt? at the same time, they do recognise that the tax burden is highest it's been burden is the highest it's been in they're desperate in 70 years. they're desperate for some relief. they want to

keep of the money they keep more of the money that they earn . and we hear in the papers earn. and we hear in the papers that debate going on that there's a debate going on between or £0.02 income tax between a1p or £0.02 income tax cut. you confirm here this cut. can you confirm here this morning that there will be an income cut ? income tax cut? >> uh, you know, camilla, uh, how this works and chancellors don't the contents of don't reveal the contents of their budgets , even on gb news. their budgets, even on gb news. however amazing the interviewer is . is. >> way. can i answer your question about fiscal headroom for a tax cut? in theory , yeah, for a tax cut? in theory, yeah, well, well, let me answer the questions you asked. >> so first of prudence , >> so first of all, prudence, there nothing less there is nothing less conservative than funding tax cuts by increasing borrowing because then you're just conservative than having a tax rate in the highest region that it has been in peacetime. >> that's, um, conservative, isn't it? >> well, let me answer that. i this is a bit like that sort of, uh, two ronnies sketch. i'm gonna answer the question before last, but i'll just say, first of all, that i do want to bring taxes down. absolutely they're too high. um, and why do i want too high. um, and why do i want to bring them down? because i look world, and the

look around the world, and the most growing most dynamic, fast growing economies in north america and asia are generally countries where the tax burden is lower. so, yes, i want to bring them down. why have they gone up? because we spent nearly £500 billion on supporting families in the pandemic and in the cost of living crisis . that was the of living crisis. that was the right thing to do because of that, unemployment is at a historic lows, and i think we did the right thing there . it did the right thing there. it has to be paid for now. did the right thing there. it has to be paid for now . we need has to be paid for now. we need to get back on a path to lower taxes.i to get back on a path to lower taxes. i will do that in a responsible way . i hope to show responsible way. i hope to show progress . yes, but this is not progress. yes, but this is not something that is going to happen overnight. but we are really managing expectations here. >> that's the vibe i'm getting from you, because at the beginning of the year, you were channelling inner nigel channelling your inner nigel lawson and you were pitch rolling cuts because i think rolling tax cuts because i think you thought you had 30 billion of headroom. the has of fiscal headroom. the obr has turned and said turned around and said you've actually billion, actually got 12.8 billion, but then some of your colleagues questioned reliance on the

questioned the reliance on the obr forecast when they often proved be too gloomy and proved to be too gloomy and wrong is obr now wrong. why is the obr now dictating what should be in your budget, rather than just providing advice on the providing some advice on the sidelines? are you kind of entrapped obr is entrapped by what the obr is telling you ? telling you? >> a concern telling you? >> well, it was a concern of government that set up the obr in 2010. and the reason that we set it up was because people worried that when gordon brown was doing his budgets under the previous labour government, chancellors were cooking the books. they were giving forecasts that gave an unduly rosy picture of the situation , rosy picture of the situation, and people wanted to have confidence that what a chancellor said, the figures that a chancellor announced had been independently verified. and i think that isn't verification. >> and then there's actually dictating what should be in your budget , dictating what should be in your budget, isn't it? >> well, all the obr does is tell the country independently whether i am meeting the fiscal rules that i myself have chosen. >> but what if the obr is wrong,

as it has been historically , as it has been historically, many years over? >> well , in many years over? >> well, in fairness to the obr, they are um, of course they've made mistakes in their forecasts, but they are well, they are more accurate than the forecasts that the treasury used to do when we didn't have an obe. >> and they are broadly in line with other forecasters. but look, i don't say that, you know, there aren't things that you can improve in the systems that we have. but fundamentally, what people at home want to know is that when you cut taxes , it's forever. >> okay ? >> okay? >> okay? >> and that's why we want to go on this path to lower taxes. we want to do do so in a way that is credible, sustainable , and is credible, sustainable, and people know is responsible . people know is responsible. >> okay. you're talking as well about cutting whitehall waste. i mean, gb news viewers and listeners could be forgiven for saying to themselves what again ? saying to themselves what again? i mean, how many times has the government announced that it's going cut whitehall waste ? going to cut whitehall waste? the that this the trouble is that this whitehall has built whitehall waste has built up on your it's built up over your watch. it's built up over the course of the last 14 years, so having unravel

so you're having to unravel things responsible for. >> no, i don't think that's fair . camilla. >> let me. staffing has gone up since pre—pandemic, and indeed the cost of whitehall has gone up.the the cost of whitehall has gone up. the cost of government spending is higher than it was. >> yes, but that is since the pandemic. that's what i want pandemic. and that's what i want to want bring the to do. i want to bring the numbers down numbers of civil servants down to that they were to the level that they were before the pandemic. between 2010 and 2019, we saw sustained increases in public sector productivity over that period. by productivity over that period. by the way, standards in our schools went up. crime went down. we had more doctors and nurses in the nhs treating more people than ever before. the pandemic stopped that. and what i'm saying in the budget on wednesday is i want to restart the process of public sector reform because public sector productivity is 6% lower than pre—pandemic. and it is wrong to say that we should be putting more money into the public sector, fewer civil servants to be more productive. >> correct. >> correct. >> you want fewer people to do more. >> i think we've got to stop

always looking at the inputs and always looking at the inputs and always saying that the way to get public services is to get better public services is to spend more and actually ask if we could be more efficient. >> and one of the ways that i think we particularly interest to gb news viewers is knife crime. now, we've halved violent crime. now, we've halved violent crime. we're very proud of the progress that's been made, but part of that is through these things called violence reduction units, which intervene with people who might be the kind of people who might be the kind of people who might be the kind of people who would commit a knife crime. they have prevented about 130,000 knife crimes and other crimes . so we're actually going crimes. so we're actually going to spend money to roll those out, because we know that will save money down the line . save money down the line. >> that is the change in spending more money on defence. >> well , i spending more money on defence. >> well, i have already spent more money on defence. >> got vladimir putin is >> i've got vladimir putin is spending 7.5% of russian gdp on defence. we're spending 2.2. we need to spend more , don't we? need to spend more, don't we? with everything going on in the world, well, i do think going forward we will need spend

world, well, i do think going forwa money'ill need spend world, well, i do think going forwa money on need spend world, well, i do think going forwa money on defence spend world, well, i do think going forwa money on defence and d world, well, i do think going forwa money on defence and i and more money on defence and i and we have said that as we have we have said that as soon is possible to do so soon as it is possible to do so within our economic context, we'll increase that spending to 2.5% of gdp. >> but can i just say , you know, >> but can i just say, you know, rishi sunak, when he was doing my job as chancellor um, gave the defence sector the biggest sustained increase in funding since the cold war. i know, but we are. >> numbers are low, aren't they? we've got the, the smallest amount of troops since the napoleonic wars. so there's concerns defence. very concerns about defence. very briefly. you're on limited time , briefly. you're on limited time, mr just migration . mr hunt. just on migration. there's been this theory i think , um, that actually migration is inherently a good thing, that it's good for the economy, it's good to get more numbers but good to get more numbers in, but actually true, actually that's not quite true, is the pressure is it? because of the pressure on indeed our public on housing and indeed our public services. so should migration come down, and shouldn't you consider a cap on it as consider putting a cap on it as a government? i think a tory government? i think migration in limited numbers can be beneficial, but what i think is wrong is this idea that you should get economic growth by

allowing. >> why does the treasury keep on sort of being proponents of that theory? >> then the more people that come in, the higher the tax receipts. why don't you put a stop to it? i mean, what was it, 745,000 last year? record amount of immigrants coming into this country . country can't cope with country. country can't cope with that. many people . that. many people. >> first of all, the treasury is not a proponent that. what we not a proponent of that. what we want is create a high want to do is create a high wage, skill economy that is wage, high skill economy that is not dependent on unlimited migration . secondly, there migration. secondly, there migration. secondly, there migration is too high, but it is because there were some very specific international factors. >> would there be a migration cap in the budget on wednesday? perhaps >> well, what is decided for the next parliament will be a matter for the manifesto. but what we want to do and what i'll be doing on wednesday is saying, how do from an economy how do we move from an economy that dependent on that has been dependent on migration for growth to a high wage, high skill economy that is not dependent on high levels of migration ? and that is a migration? and that is a profoundly different approach to the labour party . they have no

the labour party. they have no strategy or no plan to control migration . we do. it's not been migration. we do. it's not been easy with the me be forced . easy with the me be forced. >> if you have to hand over the reins of the treasury to rachel reeves to be leaving a note like liam burdon, and say there's no money left , i'm not planning to money left, i'm not planning to hand any notes to rachel hand over any notes to rachel reeves intending to reeves because i'm intending to win next election . win the next election. >> um, but what i would say is that look at the difficult decisions that i took a year ago as chancellor to balance the books. when labour had a financial crisis , did they take financial crisis, did they take any difficult decisions before the 2010 election? no and that's why they ran out of money. jeremy hunt, lovely to see you this morning. >> thank you forjoining >> thank you for joining me. >> thank you for joining me. >> thank you for joining me. >> thank you. camilla well, coming up next, i'm going to be joined by the former chancellor, lord norman lamont, for his reaction to my interview with his successor, hunt. his successor, jeremy hunt. >> forget, by the way, you >> don't forget, by the way, you can sign to join dewbs& can also sign up to join dewbs& co and farage audiences next wednesday whitehaven for wednesday in whitehaven for their special budget day

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welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news. lord norman lamont joins me in the studio now. he was chancellor of the exchequer from 1990 until 1993. lovely to see you this morning. um, i put a question there to jeremy hunt. i know you just watched the interview about the obr. can you clear this up for us? because on one hand we can understand why the obr was set up under gordon brown. it was to ensure that chancellors budgets had checks and balances, but now it seems as if the obr is informing what should go in the budget. is that right? >> no, i don't think so. i think what obr providing what the obr is providing is information about whether what the government is planning to do in the future is consistent with

responsibility and with the fiscal rules that the government itself has set down. it's not compelling , but it would be compelling, but it would be possible for the obr to say something. and the government to ignore it. >> but then again, we had jeremy hunt there , admitting that the hunt there, admitting that the obr does make mistakes. historically, it's got a lot of its predictions wrong . and yet its predictions wrong. and yet we're obviously saddled as taxpayers with the consequence of those predictions . of those bad predictions. >> well, forgive cynicism, >> well, forgive my cynicism, but , like most forecasts but i think, like most forecasts have to be treated with a degree of scepticism . there's nothing of scepticism. there's nothing guaranteed about any forecast , guaranteed about any forecast, but i think it is important to have some discipline to have have some discipline and to have some rules. it's better than some rules. it's far better than politicians simply deciding we can spend this amount of money without anybody saying, can you afford this? >> what did you make of the chancellor's interview with me? there he was being very cautious. was talking about cautious. he was talking about prudence. that i felt prudence. i said that i felt that he was lowering expectations around income expectations around an income tax . what was your impression? >> well, i think the chancellor is in a very nearly impossible

position. it's the last fiscal event, the last budget before an election. the demand ends and the pressure to do something that will transform the climate , that will transform the climate, which is actually impossible. the budget can't transform the climate, just like that. he's the chancellor exchequer. he's not a conjurer. he can't just suddenly deliver a completely changed environment . and the changed environment. and the most important thing you've got to , you know, he's got to think to, you know, he's got to think about what is in the interests of the country that is the number so it's got number one priority. so it's got to responsible . it's got to to be responsible. it's got to be affordable all. but at the same time, he wants to do something that will create the framework in which growth is at least possible . least possible. >> yes, but what about it being attractive to electorate? attractive to the electorate? i mean, got the mean, you've got the conservatives points behind, conservatives 20 points behind, got people taxed at the highest rate since the second war. rate since the second world war. we've mps come in and out we've heard mps come in and out of studio we've got of the studio saying we've got to have something to sell on the doorstep. cut doorstep. and if he doesn't cut taxes, they sell on taxes, what will they sell on the doorstep? >> just the doorstep? >> well, that's just what i'm saying is saying to you, that this is a very difficult, impossible

position because you won't be able satisfy all the demands able to satisfy all the demands and all the expectations. and i think all quite right. he was trying in his interview to get people to be realistic , you people to be realistic, you know, part of being a conservative is about facing reality and being responsible, even if it costs you an election. well, you've got to put the national interest first. and doing the right concern, doing the right thing for that, though. >> um, well, whether you get thanked or not, you've got to do it he in an it. i mean, he said in an interview, i think , with interview, i think, with the sunday morning, interview, i think, with the sun know, morning, interview, i think, with the sun know, they morning, interview, i think, with the sun know, they didn't ning, interview, i think, with the sun know, they didn't get|, you know, that they didn't get thanked they'd you know, that they didn't get thankon they'd you know, that they didn't get thankon national they'd you know, that they didn't get thankon national insurance.ey'd you know, that they didn't get thankon national insurance. and done on national insurance. and indeed, perhaps they don't get the deserve the the credit they deserve for the money that they gave in furlough. to furlough. that seems to have come them. so is come back to haunt them. so is it that the just it the case that the tories just don't thanked giving don't get thanked for giving people don't get thanked for giving peowell, i don't think >> well, i don't think politicians be looking >> well, i don't think polgratitude be looking >> well, i don't think polgratitude . be looking >> well, i don't think polgratitude . yes,3e looking >> well, i don't think polgratitude . yes, i! looking >> well, i don't think polgratitude . yes, i thinking for gratitude. yes, i think that's the wrong thing to look for. but when you just taking this question, which i know you're concerned about, the you're very concerned about, the tax and the tax burden tax burden and the tax burden being the highest for years, being the highest for 70 years, what jeremy said about the successive crises the government

have had to deal with, but particularly covid when you think about covid. and he said the government spent £500 billion, that it is 15% of gdp . billion, that it is 15% of gdp. now, if spending goes up by 15% of gdp, it's hard to surprising that the tax burden has gone up by a few percentage points to cope with it. we've been through an event in its financial impact. it's almost like that of a war. >> do you think the government spent too much money during covid? >> well, i think possibly the government did spend too much money during. you didn't money during. but you didn't hear at the hear anybody saying that at the time . time. >> ? what ?- ? what do you think's >> but then what do you think's been damaging been more damaging for the economy? covid or brexit? that's the big debate that often takes place table. place at the dinner table. >> well, i don't brexit >> well, i don't think brexit has any damaging effect on has had any damaging effect on the be my own. the economy. would be my own. >> tell that to the europhiles . >> tell that to the europhiles. why that? why do you say that? >> may say it to you. >> well, i may say it to you. well if you just look at our trade and our trade trade statistics and our trade statistics they're statistics with europe, they're back they were back on trend where they were before. dispute that before. and i don't dispute that some businesses find a lot some small businesses find a lot of the form filling rather

onerous large businesses. i think like nissan said, the other day, they have had, to their surprise , has found their surprise, has found actually they were coping perfectly well. i don't think it's had any harmful effect . it's had any harmful effect. >> we have a people's panel on it in birmingham at the moment. we've got two chaps on the panel who are businessmen and they're saying the lack of relief saying about the lack of relief for smes . do you for people running smes. do you sympathise that? we've had sympathise with that? we've had 6% off already, fragile 6% shaved off already, fragile profit margins with this rise in corporation tax. we've talked a lot about individual income tax and household tax. what about business taxes? do they need to come down? >> well, i think perhaps they ought to look at things like the vat threshold for small businesses raising that above 85 grand. i think that's not that expensive. as i remember, i think that's something that maybe they ought to think about. it's this all form filling and bureaucracy that small businesses find so difficult . businesses find so difficult. >> and as a former chancellor, what's the one piece of advice you would give jeremy you would give to jeremy hunt before wednesday ? i'd imagine before wednesday? i'd imagine

it's nerve wracking to it's quite nerve wracking to prepare deliver budget . prepare and deliver a budget. >> um, well, i would say stick to your own convictions. what to your own convictions. do what you think is right. the you think is right. that's the most important thing. of course you've got to give some indication about the future. you may not be able to do everything people want with taxes now, but indicate what he hopes to do in the future as well. >> and does he need to pull out that magical from that magical rabbit from the hat? that magical rabbit from the hat! don't think he can produce >> i don't think he can produce a of the hat. as a rabbit out of the hat. as i say, he's not conjurer. say, he's not a conjurer. >> no, indeed or indeed. can he grow trees which is grow magic money trees which is unfortunate, lord lamont. exactly thank you very much indeed joining this indeed forjoining me. this morning. speak to you morning. lovely to speak to you and perspective on and to get your perspective on our the our interview with the chancellor which forget, our interview with the ciyou've)r which forget, our interview with the ciyou've missed,h forget, our interview with the ciyou've missed, you forget, our interview with the ciyou've missed, you canorget, our interview with the ciyou've missed, you can catch if you've missed, you can catch up gb news website . up on on the gb news website. now, coming up next, i'm going to talking to jason miller, to be talking to jason miller, who be donald trump's who used to be donald trump's right man, find out what right hand man, to find out what he the donald's he makes of the donald's presidential hopes. don't go anywhere .

welcome back to the camilla tominey show on gb news now trump's right hand man is going to be joining me very shortly to discuss the donald's chances of making america great again this yeah making america great again this year. but let's first of all hear from the people's panel there in birmingham. jack carson's with them. what's the chatter there in bright old brum ? >> well ?- >> well , ?— >> well , some 7 >> well, some very interesting reactions to what some have, of course , your guests have been course, your guests have been saying on the show , camilla, saying on the show, camilla, we're joined with sabrina. dennis steve hardiman and andrew goodacre on the panel this morning. sabrina we're going to come you we had come to you first. we had bridget phillipson shadow bridget phillipson on shadow education secretary. of course, you're concerned a lot just because the you do with because of the work you do with with what do with young people. what do you make of some of her answers today, particularly around education and supporting young people ? people? >> well, she gave us breakfast clubs, wonderful. clubs, which is wonderful. but, um , breakfast clubs aren't going um, breakfast clubs aren't going to sufficient . you know, to be sufficient. you know, schools falling down and

schools are falling down and they . and there's they need repair. and there's no talk there was no talk talk of that there was no talk of young people to of supporting young people to find we've got the highest find jobs. we've got the highest youth unemployment birmingham youth unemployment in birmingham right was talk of right now. there was no talk of anything to do with that. so, you know, breakfast clubs are going to reduce youth violence if clubs to if breakfast clubs are going to help young people's mental health they're health resilience, if they're going them to going to connect them to opportunities. that's great. opportunities. and that's great. but really know what but i don't really know what a breakfast is going to do, breakfast club is going to do, to be honest. >> and also from from jeremy to be honest. >> anwe're» from from jeremy to be honest. >> anwe're talkingrom jeremy hunt, we're talking we talked about reduction about violent violence reduction units and he mentioned knife crime something crime as well. that's something you work particularly closely with. >> interesting because he mentioned violence reduction units. we have a partnership here in birmingham and it is great. but it is flash in the pan funding. happens is pan funding. what happens is they give they come along, they give funding 3 years funding for 2 or 3 years and then sudden that step then all of a sudden that step down funding is down and that funding is redirected somewhere else. redirected to somewhere else. if we're these we're going to do these things, there a terme there needs to be a long terme investment people investment plan in young people beyond the age of five years old. but all way to the old. but all the way up to the age 25, two, because age of 19 to 25, two, because young people need support and that terme funding, that means long terme funding, not violence reduction, not just violence reduction, partnership for knife crime

today then gone today and then it's gone tomorrow communities sick today and then it's gone tom�*tired communities sick today and then it's gone tom�*tired of zommunities sick today and then it's gone tom�*tired of that. unities sick today and then it's gone tom�*tired of that. they s sick and tired of that. they need something sustainable something that's sustainable and long something that's sustainable and lon all thank you very >> all right. thank you very much, and steve, much, sabrina and steve, what did you make of jeremy hunt's comments around the budget? are you filled any more confidence? >> same old, same old? i'm afraid i'm just fed up as a businessman and basically as a as a general punter have been taken for mugs. as a general punter have been taken for mugs . you know, a lot taken for mugs. you know, a lot of what he said isn't going to happen. of what he said isn't going to happen . um, we need help , happen. um, we need help, particularly as far as smes are concerned . and, um, there's concerned. and, um, there's nothing that is said that's going to improve matters. he may reduce the tax on certain things, but i think basically there's nothing for us. >> so, andrew, we're not going to have time to come to you. and unfortunately , uh, today for unfortunately, uh, today for reaction to, of course, jeremy hunt. but as you heard there , hunt. but as you heard there, um, not the happiest reactions, of course, to your guests today. camilla uh, a glum looking people's panel in birmingham. >> thank you very much to jack for that . uh, now, me is

for that. uh, now, joining me is former defence secretary and of course, fellow gb news course, my fellow gb news presenter, michael portillo. michael we're strapped for time. so very quick run so give me a very quick run through what got through of what you've got coming today 11. good coming up today at 11. good morning camilla. >> to be looking at >> we're going to be looking at elections in iran. we're going to be to american to be talking to american repubuc to be talking to american republic about why they're blocking funding to ukraine. we're going to be celebrating ray's incredible evening . she ray's incredible evening. she won six awards at the brits last night . and we're going to be night. and we're going to be celebrating also 100 years of surrealism . um, so look out for surrealism. um, so look out for melting clocks and disembodied eyeballs. >> surreal ism. it's always a good thing to be talking about on gb news. and indeed, can i congratulate you on that fantastic jacket and tie combo, michael, looking hot to trot as ever now in just a minute, i'm going to be speaking to donald trump's spokesman, trump's former chief spokesman, jason here's jason miller. but first, here's a update a brighter a weather update a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news.

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we'll see some mist and fog patches developing as temperatures fall close to, if not freezing, but not below freezing, but temperatures towards the temperatures rising towards the end of the night towards the very far southwest. as the next weather system moves in, bringing cloud and outbreaks of rain monday morning rain through monday morning across of the uk. across the southwest of the uk. elsewhere, cold frosty start , elsewhere, cold frosty start, but then plenty of sunshine to come through the day, though this turning increasingly hazy as through into the as we move through into the afternoon. best of the sunshine. holding scotland, afternoon. best of the sunshine. holdingthe scotland, afternoon. best of the sunshine. holdingthe northern otland, afternoon. best of the sunshine. holdingthe northern islesd, afternoon. best of the sunshine. holdingthe northern isles seeing though the northern isles seeing further rain, milder further spells of rain, milder and brisk winds coming into the southwest . southwest. >> it looks like things are heating up boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on . gb news. sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> welcome back to the camilla tominey show. now jason miller, bless has waiting very bless him, has been waiting very patiently. it's early in patiently. it's very early in washington we're washington dc. we're very grateful him on the grateful to have him on the show. he's the former chief spokesman senior advisor to spokesman and senior advisor to donald however donald trump. however i understand, jason, you're now back advising the donald. tell us what it's what's it been like

working with recent times ? >> well, ?— >> well, i'm ? >> well, i'm back for a third campaign. you can't go through the first 2 in 2016 and 2020 and then not come back for 2024. so excited to be back. and a senior adviser capacity and things are looking pretty good in the polls. so it looks like i made a good choice. >> all right. so tell us i mean break down for obviously break it down for us. obviously we've seen everything that's been on. um, is it going been going on. um, is it going to a versus biden ? to be a trump versus biden? >> absolutely. and so what we have here in the us is it starts off at a state by state basis. in the primary process, iowa and new hampshire, nevada, south carolina. but then coming up on tuesday , we have super tuesday, tuesday, we have super tuesday, where you have 15 states that will all be going at the same time. and so at the end of tuesday, president trump should be at about 1100 delegates. his chief rival should be at about 90 delegates, less than 100. and you only need 1215 to get the majority and clinch the nomination . so he's right on the

nomination. so he's right on the cusp. and then the general election starts . election starts. >> okay, but what about all of these court cases ? i mean, is these court cases? i mean, is there chance that president there a chance that president trump impeached ? and by trump could be impeached? and by the time that he starts to really start campaigning ? really start campaigning? >> i have no concern. and there's no chance that anything happening the legal front happening on the legal front will impede president trump's return to the white house. in fact , what you see with a lot of fact, what you see with a lot of the and the polling work the surveys and the polling work that's been done is that a plurality, if not a majority of americans think that politics has a lot play with these has a lot to play with these court cases. as president has a lot to play with these court ca�*lead as president has a lot to play with these court ca�*lead over s president has a lot to play with these court ca�*lead over joe esident has a lot to play with these court ca�*lead overjoe bident trump's lead overjoe biden continues to grow , new new york continues to grow, new new york times numbers have him leading 48 to 43. most americans realise, okay, the piling on here, this happening. this is just politics. >> but you're comfortable. are you back working with donald trump after the january 6th riots, after the fact that he claimed that he had actually won the election, that he actually lost? i mean, i remember talking to this for the to you about this for the telegraph, were quite telegraph, and you were quite uncomfortable with his stance at that have you managed that point. how have you managed to put aside now be back

to put that aside to now be back working ? well very working for him? well very simply, what we saw in 2020, as many of the rules were changed dunng many of the rules were changed during the game . during the game. >> and just 2016, we saw >> and just in 2016, we saw different efforts to try to stop president trump 2020. of course , president trump 2020. of course, we saw the social media censorship . there was the censorship. there was the massive scandal over the hunter biden laptop that was covered up, uh, when it came up and the new york post story and others were . and now, as we were censored. and so now, as we look 2024, really the legal look to 2024, really the legal challenges attacks challenges the legal attacks have replaced those. but when it comes down to it, most americans are looking at saying the country is going in wrong country is going in the wrong direction about quarters direction about three quarters of it's going of the country think it's going in direction and so in the wrong direction and so americans believe universal almost universally, that they were off with president were better off with president trump. that's why he's doing were better off with president terell that's why he's doing were better off with president terell . that's why he's doing so well. >> okay. jason, you don't >> okay. but jason, you don't agree him he actually agree with him that he actually won the last election instead of losing it. do you ? losing it. do you? >> well, what i've said over and overis >> well, what i've said over and over is that i thought the 2020 election was legally rigged. and what i mean by that is that they've gone in, they changed

they've gone in, they changed the an unconstitutional the rules in an unconstitutional manner. they didn't through manner. they didn't go through the legislatures . and so, the state legislatures. and so, again, the in again, they changed the rules in the game. so i'm the middle of the game. so i'm not happy with how 2020 not at all happy with how 2020 turned out. but do think 2024 turned out. but i do think 2024 will completely different. i will be completely different. i think landslide think it will be a landslide victory . victory. >> really. okay. and what about the capitol riots? have you the capitol riots? how have you squared circle? you squared that circle? because you can't about what can't have been happy about what happened on january the 6th. >> well, if nancy pelosi , the >> well, if nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house, had taken the extra troops and national guardsmen that president trump had offered, then i don't think that that would happened . that that would have happened. but a day but unfortunately, it was a day that was not very for good our country. but i don't see something like that happening in the future. >> have a sympathy with >> do you have a sympathy with the public of the american public sort of facing hobson's facing a bit of a hobson's choice? it's a man who could be facing a custodial sentence versus who can't seem to versus a man who can't seem to finish a sentence . finish a sentence. >> well, when you look at joe biden, especially as we saw the contrast this week of both joe biden and president trump at the

border, president biden does not look that good these days . and i look that good these days. and i think ever since the disasters withdrawal from afghanistan, all of our foreign adversaries have been their chops. been licking their chops. whether whether it's whether it's putin, whether it's xi, we chaos in the middle xi, we see chaos in the middle east and iran filling , east and iran filling, emboldened once again. and so americans want to have that sense deterrence return not sense of deterrence return not just for country, but for just for our country, but for the world and want the world stage. and they want a strong leader now. strong leader right now. inflation crushing the inflation is just crushing the average american. they want a strong leader back who can return some actual sense of fiscal sensibility. >> okay , but how will >> okay, but how will a president trump times two handle vladimir putin? i mean, we heard what he said about those who weren't fulfilling their nato spending pledges on defence. he was that basically they was saying that basically they deserve invaded by the deserve to be invaded by the russian it's the russian president. it's not the best approach to russia, to geopolitics, is it ? well need to geopolitics, is it? well need to go and split out a couple of things here. >> first of all, keep in mind putin invaded ukraine during obama and biden, and now putin is invading ukraine during biden

.dunng is invading ukraine during biden . during those four years of president trump, we had peace. we had prosperity. not just with regard to ukraine, but also with regard to ukraine, but also with regard to ukraine, but also with regard to the middle east. but now everybody sees weakness with joe biden. now to the second point that you're bringing up regarding nato funding and defending allies. it's very defending our allies. it's very critical that our allies meet the nato threshold for defence spending is a percentage of their gdp. when president trump first came into office, we only had about, believe it was had about, i believe it was about three who were actually meeting requirement meeting the requirement, finished at about 10 11. finished up at about 10 or 11. now more recently, additional countries started to meet countries have started to meet that 2% gdp threshold . but we that 2% gdp threshold. but we need more. you have 31 countries in nato . everybody should be in nato. everybody should be meeting their 2% gdp level. >> but people who suggest that trump returning to the oval office will mean that president zelenskyy is out of ukraine. what's the response to that? i mean, we understand that the trump administration and indeed putin have had a different relationship to, say, biden and indeed obama. i mean, that's a fact, right ?

fact, right? >> well, i think one of the things is many folks are looking at this in the wrong perspective about how do go and win about how do you go and win a war, who wins war, who loses war, who wins the war, who loses the war? but president trump takes says , how do we the war? but president trump takesthe says , how do we the war? but president trump takesthe killing? says , how do we the war? but president trump takesthe killing? how , how do we the war? but president trump takesthe killing? how do ow do we the war? but president trump takesthe killing? how do we do we the war? but president trump takesthe killing? how do we getve stop the killing? how do we get this conflict to stop? how do we make that don't have make sure that we don't have more you look at more deaths? and but you look at ukraine. ukraine is lost. more deaths? and but you look at ukraine. ukraine is lost . an ukraine. ukraine is lost. an entire generation with the deaths that have happened all around ukraine. cities are in rubble , but nobody is talking rubble, but nobody is talking about how you stop the killing. and that's the problem right now is trump will get is president trump will get putin zelenskyy together and putin and zelenskyy together and he say, this has to stop . he will say, this has to stop. he has pressure points for both of them, else. is of them, nobody else. camila is actually talking about how you stop the killing. okay briefly as well. >> jason, how's melania? is she on the scene? are we going to see her husband's see her holding her husband's hand goes hits hand as he goes and hits the campaign ? campaign trail? >> well , mrs. campaign trail? >> well, mrs. trump is very supportive of the president running for, uh, the white house once again. i think we'll see her more as we go into the general election. she's very private person. of course. their

son, a senior in high son, barron, is a senior in high school, so he'll be going off to university fall. but university in the fall. but i think we'll more. more think we'll see more. and more of lady. of the first lady. >> right jason i'm >> all right. jason miller, i'm really you because really grateful to you because i know you've got up very early to speak us on news. thank speak to us on gb news. so thank you good luck with you very much and good luck with the campaign. >> much . >> thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> well, thank to jason and >> well, thank you to jason and all my guests today. i'm all of my guests today. i'm going 9.30 next going to be back at 9.30 next sunday. michael portillo is up next. forget , if you next. and don't forget, if you missed my show you missed any of my show today, you can up on the highlights can catch up on the highlights at 6 here on gb news. enjoy at 6 pm. here on gb news. enjoy the your .

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michael portillo. let us march into spring to melodies of art, culture, politics and world affairs. it is rare for a by—election result to trigger a prime ministerial speech outside 10 downing street, apparently the government was so concerned about the febrile campaign which led to george galloway becoming the mp for rochdale that rishi sunak strode to the podium to denounce the poison that he says puts our democracy under threat . puts our democracy under threat. but his words be followed by any effective actions. why did so many voters respond to george galloway evidently agreeing with him that the election was for gaza ? to answer that, i have an gaza? to answer that, i have an excellent political panel. elections are happening in many places in iran . the places in iran. the parliamentary polls are taking place, which may be used by the ruling ayatollah ali khamenei to entrench a new generation of islamist hardliners. entrench a new generation of islamist hardliners . we've got islamist hardliners. we've got kasra aarabi, an expert on the regime, who warns that the elections will result in more instability and stronger

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