absolute frenzy . are you one of absolute frenzy. are you one of them also , though proposals now them also, though proposals now suggest that mps should be banned from engaging with protest groups such as palestinian solidarity campaign and stop oil as examples. and just stop oil as examples. is that the right approach or not.7 also, michael gove, he has been asked to update the definition of extremism . what definition of extremism. what should be included in that definition? and of course, it's budget week this week. what do you want to see in it? yes, indeed. so we're going to debate all of that and more in the next houn all of that and more in the next hour. but before we do, let's cross live to polly middlehurst for news for tonight's latest news headunes.

for tonight's latest news headlines . michelle thank you headlines. michelle thank you and good evening to you. >> well, the top story today is that the prime minister has suffered a second defeat to the rwanda bill at the hands of the house lords today. they house of lords today. they backed . by 282 to 180 on a backed. by 282 to 180 on a demand that parliament can't declare rwanda to be a safe country until the treaty is with promised safeguards and is fully implemented that way. it comes after the first blow, which saw after the first blow, which saw a majority of 102 peers back a motion to ensure his safety of rwanda bill is fully compliant with the law, so nearly 50 amendments have so far been put forward and are being voted on this evening. and on wednesday . this evening. and on wednesday. full coverage right here gb news. meanwhile, gb news understands around 330 migrants have been intercepted crossing the english channel today in six small boats. that's after 327 made the crossing yesterday day. the same day a seven year old girl died after her boat capsized . she'd been travelling capsized. she'd been travelling with her pregnant mother , her

with her pregnant mother, her father and three siblings when the boat got into difficulty in the boat got into difficulty in the early hours of yesterday morning . now the chancellor has morning. now the chancellor has said he wants to move the uk to a lower tax economy but will only do so in a responsible way. jeremy hunt made the comments while visiting a new digital engineering plant in wiltshire, where he where he also announced a £360 million funding boost for manufacturing income tax has reached a historic high and while promising some tax cuts, the chancellor has also been trying to temper expectations ahead of wednesday's budget , ahead of wednesday's budget, wants to move to a lower taxed economy, but we're only going to do so in a way that is responsive, able and recognises is that there are things that taxes pay for that we couldn't cut taxes by borrowing. >> we'll do so in a responsive way. but if we can spend money on public services more efficiently, then then that will mean less pressure on taxpayers .

mean less pressure on taxpayers. >> well, the former home secretary, dame priti patel, told gb news. the government also needs to be more efficient when it comes to its spending . when it comes to its spending. >> the 500,000 civil servants now even to shave a degree off, that would cut public expenditure by at least £1 billion and that would be great. back again in 2010, 2016, we had under,i back again in 2010, 2016, we had under , i think, around 400,000 under, i think, around 400,000 civil servants and that saved a significant amount, amount of money, the spending, the costs alone. i think, came down to something like £11 billion. this is where we have to be again, to be an agile government that's fit in the sense of financially sound, sound money, conservative principles, but actually making sure the public keep more of their their money. >> well, newly elected rochdale mp george galloway has been sworn into parliament today by almighty god that i will be faithful and bear true allegiance to his majesty king charles, his heirs and successors according to law.

>> so help me god. >> so help me god. >> well, as you're hearing, the workers party of britain leader pledging allegiance to the king as part of that ceremony , he was as part of that ceremony, he was also accompanied by albert party mp neale hanvey and conservative mp neale hanvey and conservative mp sir peter bottomley, the father of the house. mr galloway won last week's rochdale by—election by more than 5500 votes to stand at a very dangerous crossroads in our country's affairs, perhaps as dangerous as any since since the summer . and autumn of 1940, 41. summer. and autumn of 1940, 41. >> and there's no mr churchill in this picture , for there is no in this picture, for there is no one. it seems, able to step forward and steady the ship of state and begin to rally and unite our people to face what is a very difficult future. well to the united states now, where

donald trump has cleared another hurdle in his bid for the us presidency after a supreme court victory today , the ruling means victory today, the ruling means the republican candidate will appear on the ballot in tuesday's colorado primary . tuesday's colorado primary. >> we, the justices unanimously reversed a decision by colorado's top court to exclude him from the ballot following accusations about his involvement in the capitol riots involvement in the capitol riots in 2021. speaking in palm beach, florida, donald trump thanked the supreme court for the important decision and blamed political motivation . political motivation. >> essentially , you cannot take >> essentially, you cannot take somebody out of a race because an opponent would like to have it that way. the voters can take the person out of the race very quickly, but . a court shouldn't quickly, but. a court shouldn't be doing that. and the supreme court saw that very well, and i really do believe that will be a unifying factor, because while most states were thrilled to have me, there were some that didn't . and they didn't want didn't. and they didn't want that for political reasons. they

didn't want that because the poll numbers, because the poll numbers are very good. we're beating president biden in almost every poll for the latest stories. >> do sign up for gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts . slash alerts. >> hello there. thanks for that, polly. i'm michelle dewberry and i'm keeping you company till 7:00 tonight alongside me, my panel of pr consultant alex dean and the broadcast journalist judy da silva. good evening . judy da silva. good evening. good evening to you. of you. you know the drill as well on this program . it's not just about program. it's not just about austerity. it's very much about you at home well. what's you guys at home as well. what's on tonight ? there's so on your mind tonight? there's so much i want to into with you much i want to get into with you again. uh, quite a crazy day in british . politics what are you british. politics what are you making to all of this, george galloway, he's been sworn in as well. i'm telling you, he is

sending into an absolute sending people into an absolute frenzy. what do you frenzy. uh, what what do you make all the goings on there? make to all the goings on there? things like conversation, talking wedding, talking about the wedding, extremism. now, apparently that definition needs to be expanded. what definition look what should that definition look like? should include? so like? what should it include? so i thoughts on all of i want your thoughts on all of that. all the usual ways gbviews@gbnews.com how you gbviews@gbnews.com is how you email you can tweet or x email me. or you can tweet or x me at gb news. just polite me at gb news. just a polite reminder as well. what's really important to me on this program? as all know, as regular as you all know, as regular viewers, we do robust, viewers, is we do robust, respectful debate on this program hear anything program. so if you hear anything or see anything, quite frankly , or see anything, quite frankly, that you disagree with, that's great. that's fine. that is the nature of debate. but please can i just ask that if alex, for example, is talking nonsense as he frequently does, can make example, is talking nonsense as heabout ently does, can make example, is talking nonsense as heabout they does, can make example, is talking nonsense as heabout the sentiment] make example, is talking nonsense as heabout the sentiment, make example, is talking nonsense as heabout the sentiment , the nake it about the sentiment, the opinion, and not the person ? if opinion, and not the person? if indeed that is okay with you ? so indeed that is okay with you? so polite, respectful debate is what we like here. and, uh, should we get straight into the top story ? then another big day top story? then another big day for the government. it's not a good day for i was about to say for any of them, but

particularly for rishi sunak, big votes taking place on the rwanda bill over in the house of lords should we cross live now to olivia utley to bring us up to olivia utley to bring us up to speed with exactly what's been going on? olivia, for those people that don't , cannot eat people that don't, cannot eat and breathe and sleep , this kind and breathe and sleep, this kind of stuff, just a reminder as to what the plan for today it was supposed be and how been supposed to be and how it's been going. so far. >> well, as you say , michelle, >> well, as you say, michelle, it's all pretty complicated . the it's all pretty complicated. the rwanda bill was voted through in the state that the government tabled it in the commons a few weeks ago. it's now going through the house of lords and on the whole, the house of lords is essentially a little bit more left wing than the house of commons. the conservative party does not have an overall majority in the house of lords , majority in the house of lords, and peers tend to and conservative peers tend to be a bit more on the left. my lord. before in the commons. so what we were expecting to see today and what indeed we have seen, is the lords essentially attempting to water down the

rwanda bill. and there were 50 different amendments to the rwanda bill tabled by various peers. five of them have been selected today , and at the selected today, and at the moment, the peers are voting on them. now, just about half an hour ago, uh, the house of lords defeated the government on one amendment. this was an amendment tabled by lord goldsmith's former labour attorney general and essentially that amendment, uh, said that the rwanda bill could only go through if it was seen to be compatible with international law. now, we know that as it stands, it's believed that as it stands, it's believed that the rwanda bill is not compatible with international law. so essentially that amounts to the house of lords defeating the government's rwanda plan. now . in the the government's rwanda plan. now. in the last the government's rwanda plan. now . in the last five the government's rwanda plan. now. in the last five minutes or so, another amendment has just gone through. and this is the one which says that rwanda will only be designated a safe country when rwanda makes specific changes to its own immigration policy. now, the rwandan government have promised to make these, uh, changes to

its own immigration system, but they haven't yet been implemented. so basically, what that amendment is trying to do is to slow everything down, meaning that it would be very unlikely that the prime minister could get flights off the ground to rwanda before the next election. now they're voting on it. yet another amendment in the next minutes, and we'll have next few minutes, and we'll have the results of that soon. but essentially house of the results of that soon. but essen is lly house of the results of that soon. but essen is trying house of the results of that soon. but essen is trying to house of the results of that soon. but essenis trying to do house of the results of that soon. but essen is trying to do here ;e of the results of that soon. but essenis trying to do here isof the results of that soon. but essenis trying to do here is to lords is trying to do here is to water down this legislation in as many ways as possible. now, actually, michel, that doesn't really in really matter that much in the long run because this long run because as this legislation will back to the legislation will go back to the house commons a in a thing house of commons in a in a thing known as parliamentary ping pong and the house of commons, it is thought where there is a government majority just government majority will just vote the amendments vote down all of the amendments that the lords have tabled. so why it matter? well, why does it matter? well, optically good. optically it's not very good. rishi sunak is already weak rishi sunak is already a weak prime minister. look at where he is in the polls and having the house of lords vote against him

on this flagship bit of legislation, and with such enormous there were 271, enormous defeat, there were 271, 274 to 172, i think for the first amendment is a very bad look indeed. the other thing, of course, is that it really slows things down, things down for the government. rishi sunak is desperate those flights desperate to get those flights going . and the longer this takes going. and the longer this takes going. and the longer this takes going lords then going through the lords and then the commons , then back to the the commons, then back to the lords, the more amendments that there the less likely it is there are, the less likely it is that rwanda plan that this rwanda plan will actually before actually be implemented before an election . an election. >> well interesting stuff, olivier . you're going to stay olivier. you're going to stay across for us. so we'll across that for us. so we'll bnng across that for us. so we'll bring speed viewers bring you up to speed viewers and listeners with the goings on as happen. alex dean , what as they happen. alex dean, what do you make to the goings on? >> well, i think olivia put her finger on the most important aspect for government in the aspect for the government in the end, is the timing, end, which is the timing, because the peers who are mounting to the mounting this opposition to the government's freely government's agenda are freely acknowledge, as they and acknowledge, as they should and must, ultimately must, that ultimately the commons have its commons can and will have its way. is to say that the way. that is to say that the unelected house ultimately gives way house. um, on way to the elected house. um, on issues of manifest issues especially of manifest commitments government

commitments and government pledges. and she also says , pledges. and as she also says, the government has a majority in the government has a majority in the and can vote the commons and can vote down their amendments. lords their amendments. but the lords can certainly things down can certainly slow things down and they are doing and that's what they are doing now as their right, now. and as is their right, they're entitled examine the they're entitled to examine the legislation puts legislation the government puts forward interrogate it . and forward and interrogate it. and so in the end, the government will have their way, but it makes it less likely that the prime minister makes his spring commitment to commitment for flights to rwanda. it makes it rwanda. and indeed, it makes it less see less likely that you see meaningful to rwanda or meaningful flights to rwanda or anywhere else before the general election. i think there's one other that i think is other point that i think is quite interesting not exactly to do what you're mentioning, do with what you're mentioning, but look the breakdown but if you look at the breakdown of of people of the numbers of how people voted crossbenches voted here, if the crossbenches had other way, the had voted the other way, the government won, which government would have won, which is matter these is doesn't matter for these these it does matter these votes. but it does matter if wins the next if labour wins the next election, because suggests election, because it suggests that going to that if labour is going to deliver big tranche and big deliver a big tranche and big changes in upper house, changes in the upper house, they're need new peers. they're going to need new peers. they're going to have to make up new of the upper house. new members of the upper house. at labour's position at the moment, labour's position has sceptical about has been very sceptical about the lords. they've the house of lords. they've flirted abolishing flirted with abolishing it and some conversations in

some of their conversations in fringe, at fringe, fringe meetings at their, party their, um, their party conference. talked about conference. they've talked about a smaller. those a making it smaller. those are reasonable ambitions for a political party have. in political to party have. but in the immediate terms, pragmatically, to pragmatically, they're going to have larger. have to make it larger. >> i can tell you now. i can hear you. i can hear you on your surfers groaning at that suggestion, because already people getting people have been getting in touch michelle, touch with me, saying, michelle, they're out of touch. close down they're out of touch. close down the house of lords. they're all unelected. serious the house of lords. they're all unelect so serious the house of lords. they're all unelect so i serious the house of lords. they're all unelect so i bet serious the house of lords. they're all unelect so i bet youserious the house of lords. they're all unelect so i bet youseric not reform. so i bet you are not very keen on alex's suggestion. it's suggestion. it's not my suggestion. >> the it's just the >> it's just the it's just the parliamentary maths. >> i was just to say, >> i was just about to say, albeit i suspect will albeit one that i suspect will come theresa, do you come true. theresa, what do you make all? um i think that make of it all? um i think that it's quite fascinating that there's aspect the there's a certain aspect to the whole conversation that isn't being that is being addressed, that why is this difficult? this overall so difficult? >> think that it's the >> and i think that it's the by—product established by—product of an established perception that has been perpetuated western for perpetuated by western media for decades, because do you now perpetuated by western media for deca(the because do you now perpetuated by western media for deca(the salvation do you now perpetuated by western media for deca(the salvation or do you now perpetuated by western media for deca(the salvation or the you now perpetuated by western media for deca(the salvation or the silver ow have the salvation or the silver bullet or whole the glory bullet or the whole the glory solution , be country that solution, be a country that decades has been painted to the perception of the general british public as impoverished , british public as impoverished, dangerous, bruised , battered.

dangerous, bruised, battered. the people there are are barely clinging to a civilised form of existence. but now that's the country that you send people to for a better life. now you have to think about the kinds of conversations about africa, about the middle east, about the far east, that are established and perpetuated through media, that give the people a perception of those countries that they might never visit. so now when you posit them in a position that is complete, bloody, um, antithetical to what you established, you have previously established, it's to be problematic. it's going to be problematic. and so you can't make people see it told it a different way. having told them, way for so long, them, it's one way for so long, i mean, i think that's a i mean, i mean, i think that's a fair criticism, by the way. >> yeah. there'll be people shouting the screens about, shouting at the screens about, um, and i get my football um, and i do get my football teams was arsenal? teams mixed up. was it arsenal? is it arsenal? >> i don't know you're >> i don't know what you're about say yet. about to say yet. >> visit rwanda sponsored by the rwandan many rwandan tourist board. many people, , will have to people, um, will have gone to rwanda you know, not rwanda and not, you know, not think um, you think it's this kind of, um, you know, awful environment. but i think it might be fair criticism, but it's about technicalities , isn't it? one of technicalities, isn't it? one of the reasons that people are

saying or that those in power are not safe, is one are saying it's not safe, is one of the reasons that they're having this secondary treaty that and tries that comes along and tries to support the notion actually support the notion that actually it many people will it is safe. many people will say, hold on second. um, say, well, hold on a second. um, because un, i'm sure it's because the un, i'm sure it's the un, they people to the un, they send people to rwanda, refugees to rwanda as already. they would argue already. so they would argue that unsafeness is just that the unsafeness is just technicality. >> in fairness to those people, technicality. >> i|would3ss to those people, technicality. >> “would point those people, technicality. >> “would point to )se people, technicality. >> “would point to the people, they would point to the technicalities different technicalities of the different schemes requiring different um, uh, require having different requirements, both the requirements, but both the european and all members european union and all members thereof and the united nations at different times have sent people seeking asylum or refugee status elsewhere. that's true. but i make a i thought the but i would make a i thought the point about the way that we talk about countries like rwanda was fair. i wanted to a fair. so i wanted to make a different point about what the expectation is here, because the supreme said we are supreme court never said we are sure is not safe. sure that rwanda is not safe. they we need to be sure they said we need to be sure that it they said we need to be sure thatitis they said we need to be sure that it is safe, and you need to offer us the following things. and the government said, well, we knew what we doing. we knew what we were doing. we've right. but one of we've got this right. but one of the amendments and one the

the amendments and one of the reasons having reasons the government's having difficulty principle of the so—called principle of the principle of so—called non—refoulement. principle of so—called non—ref< somewhere where they run sending somewhere where they run the risk of being sent on somewhere it's rwanda's somewhere else. so it's rwanda's own policy somewhere else. so it's rwanda's own is policy somewhere else. so it's rwanda's own is causing policy somewhere else. so it's rwanda's own is causing some policy somewhere else. so it's rwanda's own is causing some concern. that is causing some concern. >> indeed. um there's been an update over in house of update over in the house of lords. let's back to lords. let's cross back to olivia utley for that latest olivia utley for that latest olivia , what can you tell . us? olivia, what can you tell. us? >> just, uh, hearing that amendment seven is now going through the house of lords, and it's expected that there's going to be a another government defeat there . uh, amendment defeat there. uh, amendment seven is explained how the rwanda can only be deemed a safe country. as alex was saying there, uh, once the specific treaties have been put into place, rwanda has promised to shake up its own asylum system. but there is a danger that if rwanda fails to do that, then it it then it will. there will be a

principle of international law will be broken because , uh, will be broken because, uh, migrants who were sent to rwanda could end up being sent on somewhere where they are no longer safe . now, we've had longer safe. now, we've had a vote on that. the government has been defeated on that. there is now an amendment saying that that treaty, that treaty that rwanda is saying that it will implement to toughen its own implement to toughen up its own immigration policies, to stop anyone being deported illegally to another country. the amendment being voted on now , amendment being voted on now, the government would be forced to check every three months that rwanda is actually sticking to its word , and it is remaining, its word, and it is remaining, uh, remaining loyal to the treaty that it has signed. so this would be a real nail in the government's coffin, as it were . government's coffin, as it were. as i say, though, none of this matters too much in the long run because the government will eventually be able to vote all of these amendments down, and we are expecting that they will manage to do that in a couple of weeks but it doesn't look

weeks time. but it doesn't look good, and it is very bad for timing. the government is desperate to get these flights going. the longer this all takes. if they have sign off takes. if they have to sign off an amendment saying that rwanda has to, they have to check in with rwanda every three months, then would be really, then that would be really, really the government. >> olivia, for that. um, >> olivia, thanks for that. um, theresa, there really are quite passionate rishi sunak about getting this over the line, and many people will say, hang many people will say, but hang on second, we're on a second, because we're talking numbers on a second, because we're ta|people numbers on a second, because we're ta|people and numbers on a second, because we're ta|people and there numbers on a second, because we're ta|people and there is numbers on a second, because we're ta|people and there is a numbers on a second, because we're ta|people and there is a like nbers on a second, because we're ta|people and there is a like a»ers of people and there is a like a clause in there that many people don't even realise that actually, in return , varne we actually, in return, varne we have to take people, some of the most vulnerable people from rwanda and provide kind of care and refuge to those people in return. are you actually somebody who's on the side of the fence that thinks this whole rwanda thing is ridiculous, or are on side of the fence are you on the side of the fence that actually think it's worth pursuing? to be an pursuing? it is going to be an active deterrent. >> kind of to i'm leaning >> i, i'm kind of to i'm leaning towards the ridiculous, but not completely idea completely because was the idea of they're doing . of what they're doing. >> is viable, but >> the formula is viable, but the country itself isn't .

the country itself isn't. because at the end of the day, when you're thinking about the way to execute, you way you're going to execute, you cannot give transfer the cannot then give transfer the problem rwanda and then try problem to rwanda and then try to micromanage it on the country while they're doing it . they're while they're doing it. they're autonomous in their own existence. so that what happens there is their business. you can urge them so in which case urge them to do so in which case you have a case of money talks, capitalism walks. give them the financial what financial incentive to do what you do. but then you need them to do. but then the conversation back home will be, look at all the money we're pumping someone to pumping into getting someone to do want offshore. what do what we want offshore. what about problems at about the problems you have at home? do we abandon them home? so then do we abandon them to the to the discretion of the rwandan government? becomes rwandan government? that becomes another you control an issue. you cannot control because too much of a distance. >> but do we just have completely different standards to because as to other countries? because as we've touching on we've just been touching on rwanda and this scheme to put people in rwanda, refugees in rwanda other rwanda is deemed safe by other entities, . entities, by other countries. >> and i've said that >> his so and i've said that because at the end of the day, there are people who live in rwanda who are happy live rwanda who are happy to live there content there.

there and content to live there. so whole narrative about so this whole narrative about you condemning them to you are condemning them to degradation once they cross the atlantic to, oh, savage africa, that that's that is something that's antiquated and i do not like because it speaks to tropes from a colonialist mentality . see, a colonialist mentality. see, nigeria, like africa, is not savage. we do wear clothes. we do speak english, and we are conscious and decent people. so sending them to rwanda is not sending them to rwanda is not sending them to the ends of the earth, it's sending them to a different country functions different country that functions in the way different country that functions in should the way different country that functions in should look, the way different country that functions in should look, you the way different country that functions in should look, you lookway different country that functions in should look, you look at/ you should look, you look at a china or anywhere else, you could look at africa. if you choose again, it goes to choose to. but again, it goes to the narrative of optics. you have established something that's shake that's too ingrained to shake this think that's this quickly. i think that's spot this quickly. i think that's spoand thought one of the most >> and i thought one of the most interesting interventions was the government in this the rwandan government in this debate look at the way debate who said, look at the way you're and the you're talking about us and the rest the british media class you're talking about us and the rest yeah, british media class you're talking about us and the rest yeah, all ish media class you're talking about us and the rest yeah, all right.edia class you're talking about us and the rest yeah, all right. thanksss said, yeah, all right. thanks very much. not very interested in your view. carry in your view. let's carry on talking if you're talking about you as if you're not, though they have to not, even though they have to them the first place. them in the first place. >> now, you really think you can micromanage you've micromanage them once you've kicked ball down the court. kicked the ball down the court. >> think as well, the guy

>> and i think as well, the guy that i think he that you referenced, i think he even got to point where even he got to the point where he was saying, if you try and push any further, uk push this any further, uk government, it's going to even cross line and we're cross the line for us and we're going start rejecting that going to start rejecting that policy as well. what you make policy as well. what do you make to home when you see to it all at home when you see this? the goings in the house this? the goings on in the house of you people of lords, then you hear people like ultimately, of lords, then you hear people like know ultimately, of lords, then you hear people like know what? ultimately, of lords, then you hear people like know what? lthefately, of lords, then you hear people like know what? [the end y, of lords, then you hear people like know what? [the end of the you know what? at the end of the day, doesn't really matter because of commons because the house of commons can basically this anyway. basically overrule this anyway. does that make you feel frustrated do frustrated with democracy? do you bit of a you think it's all a bit of a waste of time, or do you think what's happening the house of what's happening in the house of lords sensible, um, lords is good? a sensible, um, consideration rest consideration and all the rest of touch and let me of it get in touch and let me know the break. want know after the break. i want to talk you george talk to you about george galloway. he's been galloway. of course. he's been sworn mp today. many galloway. of course. he's been sworn i'm mp today. many galloway. of course. he's been sworn i'm telling today. many galloway. of course. he's been sworn i'm telling you, iy. many galloway. of course. he's been sworn i'm telling you, iy. miare people i'm telling you, they are on on the edge of a on the on the edge of a breakdown over this. where are you you you on it all? and what do you think it means broadly, more broadly politics?

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tonight alongside. me. my panel remain. i've got pierre, consultant alex dean and the broadcast journalist auditore da silva . uh, in broadcast journalist auditore da silva. uh, in case you broadcast journalist auditore da silva . uh, in case you have just silva. uh, in case you have just tuned in, you've missed the first part. where the house of lords are voting . i've lords basically are voting. i've got to say, i'll summarise it by saying against the saying against it. um, the government's , when it comes to government's, when it comes to whether not essentially whether or not essentially rwanda those rwanda is a safe country, those votes continuing . and i'll votes are continuing. and i'll bnng votes are continuing. and i'll bring latest on them as bring you the latest on them as we get them. but it's not looking rishi sunak. i looking good for rishi sunak. i can tell you he's getting a spanking if i am, to quote the likes of george galloway , likes of george galloway, because of course you'll know what's happened today. weren't you george galloway ? he has been you george galloway? he has been sworn in as an mp at the house of commons. listen . i swear. by of commons. listen. i swear. by almighty god that i will be faithful and bear true allegiance to his majesty king charles, heirs and successoi’s. >> successors. >> according to law. so help me god . god. >> i'll tell you now, right? he

sent so many people into a spin. just remind ourselves, because we've had a couple of sleep since then, haven't we? just remind ourselves, um, of what he was saying when he got elected last keir starmer this is for gaza >> keir starmer this is for gaza . you have paid and you will pay a high price . a high price. >> and you want to remind ourselves as well of how rishi sunak responded to that win. listen . and it is beyond listen. and it is beyond alarming that last night the rochdale by—election returned a candidate who dismisses the horror of what happened on october the 7th, who glorifies hezbollah and is endorsed by nick griffin , the racist former nick griffin, the racist former leader of the bnp . i can tell leader of the bnp. i can tell you now, it's such a mixed bag on my inbox and my inbox because bryson says that galloway basically terrifies all the mps because he cannot be bought, nor

bullied. matthew says galloway beenin bullied. matthew says galloway been in the commons doesn't make one bit difference to my life one bit of difference to my life . um, and john says i don't agree with george galloway, but i've got say going to i've got to say he's going to liven parliament. he's going i've got to say he's going to liven the 'liament. he's going i've got to say he's going to liven the mpsent. he's going i've got to say he's going to liven the mpsent. to's going i've got to say he's going to liven the mpsent. to's g(fire to keep the mps feet to the fire and maybe even bring them to their senses , as is george their senses, as is george galloway going bring mps galloway going to bring the mps to their senses? >> alex dean well, i think he's a orator. just disagree a superb orator. i just disagree with everything he says. and that's that's the that's um. yeah that's the nature of democracy. he unless the is going the election is going to be impugned don't know impugned and i don't know anything the anything about that. he won the election. so is now until at election. so he is now until at least the general election. the mp for that part of world, mp for that part of the world, i lament for a couple of lament it for a couple of reasons. i lament it first of all, very blase all, because he makes very blase generalisations and declarations for example, when asked by another channel whether hamas, which is a proscribed terrorist organisation in this country, should run gaza, he said the very question was dripping with imperial condescension , wasn't imperial condescension, wasn't actually it's a reasonable question and he went on to say, i wouldn't have voted for hamas myself, people picked myself, but the people picked hamas. there hasn't been hamas. well, there hasn't been an in in years.

an election in gaza in 17 years. so when what basis he might feel free to declare that the people had for a terrorist had voted for a terrorist organisation? i don't know, but people watching this is the point. watching without point. people watching without knowing think , here's knowing that might think, here's a who stands up to the a man who stands up to the establishment . here's a man who establishment. here's a man who says is. for says it how it is. i'm for him. and says is okay, and if he says hamas is okay, then hamas is okay. he's actually purveyor fake actually a purveyor of fake news. won't point it out news. people won't point it out in that just have. but news. people won't point it out in is that just have. but news. people won't point it out in is what that just have. but news. people won't point it out in is what fake just have. but news. people won't point it out in is what fake news have. but news. people won't point it out in is what fake news thate. but news. people won't point it out in is what fake news that hamas he is what fake news that hamas is somehow the legitimate representative of the of representative of the people of gaza. you can think many things. you believe in solidarity you can believe in solidarity for palestine. you think for palestine. you can think that doing is that what israel is doing is wholly and still think wholly wrong and still think that wrong that hamas is the wrong organisation be viewed as organisation to be viewed as their representative . their legitimate representative. >> tell you, you really, >> i can tell you, you really, really divided. inbox . really are divided. my inbox. heather just says, i think he's the man many have been hoping for. brainwashed this for. we're brainwashed in this country to support war, war and forever war. this for forever war. this man is for peace , she says. what do you peace, she says. what do you make to it all? i'll tell you who's coming up at 7:00 tonight. nigel farage. good evening to you, nigel. what have you got for us?

>> well, our friends at ofcom have announced today they're launching an investigation into me because apparently i'm a politician , which means i can't politician, which means i can't cover contemporary breaking news stories. i'll be giving an answer to ofcom live at 7:00, and it will be clear. i promise you, i will be waiting and watching that. >> i can tell you, nigel. look forward to it. see you at 7:00. cor blimey . um, i will come back cor blimey. um, i will come back to george galloway in a second. but i do just want to say this whole ofcom thing, it blows my mind people seems to be mind how many people seems to be dedicating massive dedicating such a massive part of life to getting in of their life to getting in contact with ofcom about our content. so many people say they don't the channel, but yet don't watch the channel, but yet literally their favourite literally it's their favourite pastime. finding clips and pastime. uh, finding clips and desperately report us desperately trying to report us to . goodness me. anyway, to ofcom. goodness me. anyway, i'm sure he will be picking up on that as he says. but back to george galloway judita where are you on him? george galloway judita where are you (find m? galloway >> i find george galloway disturbing in a disturbing but fascinating in a very dysfunctional way because like the point you've made, he's

a very emotive orator and a lot of successful politicians can motivate a lot of people by saying the right thing in the right way and the wrong thing the right way, but in a compelling way . and he has the compelling way. and he has the ability to do that. and what i think is most potentially threatening about him and the position he's building for himself is that at this point in time in society, there are a lot of there's a lot of people who will speak offline, who will speak away from a camera and say, i feel suffocated, like i can't question things. i can't challenge things. i can't express an opinion . it doesn't express an opinion. it doesn't come from a negative place. it just as soon as i offend someone , i'm attacked. i can't exist like that. what he's doing is showing that i am somebody that's willing to stand at the forefront and take all the sungs forefront and take all the slings arrows of my slings and arrows of my righteous crusade to speak truth to power and say i think to power and say what i think and feel. and that's very and what i feel. and that's very inspiring to people, even if they disagree with him. so, for instance, when you're thinking about the things he said that instance, when you're thinking aboanti—semitic he said that instance, when you're thinking aboanti—semitic ,ie said that

instance, when you're thinking aboanti—semitic , like id that instance, when you're thinking aboanti—semitic , like whent are anti—semitic, like when people are of people talk, there are a lot of groups lgbtqia+ or pro—black groups lgbtqia+ or pro—black groups or anti racism groups who say that if only we had the kind of power that the jewish community has, that they can police the way people talk about us. you get someone like george galloway who says the wrong thing, in that speaks thing, but in a way that speaks to to have similar to the desire to have similar power and influence. you've got an audience. that's why he's dangerous. he knows how to speak to people, even if he's saying something they shouldn't be listening to. >> , i mean, what what one >> well, i mean, what what one person might deem as that something that you shouldn't be listening another person something that you shouldn't be listeni deem another person something that you shouldn't be listeni deem actually person something that you shouldn't be listeni deem actually ,erson something that you shouldn't be listeni deem actually ,this1 something that you shouldn't be listeni deem actually , this is would deem actually, this is information that i really, desperately want to listen to. and actually, i get to and actually, i don't get to hean and actually, i don't get to hear, um, in the way or form or whatever it is in current debates, many people are saying , debates, many people are saying, like say this, like keith says, i'll say this, michel , at you know michel, at least you know exactly where he stands, what he believes in. how many politicians can you honestly say that about these days? so that agenda, notion that actually agenda, the notion that actually he's got agenda you he's got a clear agenda and you can with agenda can disagree with that agenda all of their

all you like. it's each of their own. i do, and that's own. well, i do, and that's fine. yeah. has you know fine. yeah. but he has you know what you know where what he is. you know where he stands, he stands for. what he is. you know where he stands, he stands for . and stands, what he stands for. and you a lot about you can't say that a lot about a lot of mps. >> well, sure. but you know what you're at. wasn't you're hinting at. there wasn't quite your point but quite what your your point but what hinting the what you're hinting at is the fact get fascinated fact we get fascinated with political with political figures who are, with no meant to them no disrespect meant to them because they're across the political rather political spectrum, rather marginal. excited marginal. we get very excited about george galloway winning one seat for the workers party. i confidently predict there'll be between one seat be somewhere between one seat and the general and no seats after the general election. and equally, you were just your colleague just talking to your colleague nigel farage. no disrespect meant to him. different part of the political spectrum to galloway. may not galloway. he may or may not return politics. return to frontline politics. the go bananas. the media will go bananas. should he do there'll be should he do so, there'll be fascinated will fascinated by it. it will be well proportion any well out of proportion with any actual results for the party that he may or lead , that he may or may not lead, which will be somewhere between 0 terms of a 650 seat 0 and 1. in terms of a 650 seat parliament. so we get very , very parliament. so we get very, very interested in figures who are like that with, of course, part of the reason people be interested in reform is their

prospect of depriving the conservative party of seats. they might or might not otherwise . that's not even otherwise win. that's not even the galloway and the the case with galloway and the workers party. and they might. i mean, they might make a difference in a dozen difference about in a dozen seats if they as in dozen seats, that other people might win , but that other people might win, but not for themselves. well, in a second hear from second we can hear from george galloway whole galloway because this whole question to question about is he going to be a hit wonder, so to speak, a one hit wonder, so to speak, in by—election? in this by—election? >> to more >> is he going to have more seats? can you he seats? i can tell you now. he passionately , um, absolutely passionately, um, absolutely believes know, believes that he, um, you know, he is going to get the seats. so let's just have a listen to that . we've got 59 parliamentary candidates ready to go and we'll stand in there for three. >> score. labour seats and either defeat them ourselves or cause their defeat. so he's not mincing his words. >> let's listen to how keir starmer responded to that. then shall we? >> galloway only won because labour didn't stand a candidate .

labour didn't stand a candidate. i regret that we had to withdraw our candidate and apologise to voters in rochdale , but i took voters in rochdale, but i took that decision. it was the right decision and when i say i changed the labour party, i mean it . obviously we will put it. obviously we will put a first class candidate, a unifier before the voters in rochdale at the general election . the general election. >> right. so, you know , we can >> right. so, you know, we can have this debate in a second in terms of, you know, how effective you're thinking. terms of, you know, how effectiv gallowayhinking. terms of, you know, how effectiv galloway will ng. terms of, you know, how effectiv galloway will be on a george galloway will be on a broader i found broader election. but i found keir there. keir starmer's response there. so turns so egotistical when he turns around and goes, george galloway won only because we didn't stand a candidate and will a candidate and he he will genuinely . i kind genuinely believe that. i kind of think, who do you think you are? somehow that are? that somehow that that election victory was yours, but because your candidate was an absolute wrong'un and you had to withdraw him because you picked the wrong fella, that was the wrong fella, that that was the wrong fella, that that was the that didn't win. the reason that you didn't win. i so egotistical and i think it's so egotistical and so many people, theresa, that are not massively politically engaged, is one of engaged, this is one of the reasons why that's exactly the point making, that you, point i'm making, that if you,

george potentially george galloway, can potentially preach rhetoric that has a universal appeal for different reasons, even though it's not the agenda he's really standing on, like you've said, just by the reaction to him, you've managed that reaction will sway people that otherwise wouldn't care for galloway, but are anti starmer towards having some opfion starmer towards having some option that just isn't starmer and that's what plays into galloway's hands , because at the galloway's hands, because at the end of the you've got end of the day, you've got a situation are a lot end of the day, you've got a sit people are a lot end of the day, you've got a sit people . are a lot end of the day, you've got a sit people . who are a lot end of the day, you've got a sitpeople . who are are a lot end of the day, you've got a sit people . who are apathetic, of people. who are apathetic, that are disenchanted , ed, that that are disenchanted, ed, that are undecided , that are in the are undecided, that are in the middle and all they need is someone who looks like they have the motive, enough motivation and to stand and enough ability to stand their ground to be effective . their ground to be effective. >> and that will galvanise them and that's a dangerous thing. so thinking george galloway is thinking that george galloway is something it's something you can dismiss, it's not the wise move to make because he has potential power in you've underestimated. >> it is not a role i anticipated for myself on this panel , but i anticipated for myself on this panel, but i want to try to be fair to keir starmer, um, because he may because i think what he said may well right, actually. and well be right, actually. and we'll course, come the

we'll tell, of course, come the general whether or not general election whether or not he right. a conservative he was right. i'm a conservative and rochdale and i hope that rochdale returns and i hope that rochdale returns a i hope in a conservative, as i hope in every nevertheless every constituency. nevertheless i'd it's likely that i'd rather feel it's likely that should the party get its should the labour party get its act that george act together, that george galloway will enjoy nine months in parliament before the seat returns labour party returns to the labour party in which case what keir starmer broadly would broadly said said would be broadly said said would be broadly after all, in broadly correct. after all, in the end, it seems that the the end, it seems to me that the labour at war . to labour party, being at war. to the knife in rochdale with its ancient enemy, the labour party, was a big part of the reason for galloway's labour galloway's success. the labour party, nominations party, after nominations had closed, its closed, decided to disown its own candidate. well, no one was realistically vote realistically going to vote for them the them in those circumstances. the leader entitled leader of that party is entitled to that we would to say. but for that we would have done a lot better. and perhaps one. >> i've got to make the as >> i've got to make the point as well, know some of you well, because i know some of you watching this opinion. watching will have this opinion. there'll be many people, of course, voted course, many of them voted for george galloway. that are so horrified upset by the horrified and upset by the scenes coming out of i scenes coming out of gaza. i mean when you see mean, who cannot be when you see all children, being mean, who cannot be when you see all or children, being mean, who cannot be when you see all or killedhildren, being mean, who cannot be when you see all or killed orjren, being mean, who cannot be when you see all or killed or orphaned being mean, who cannot be when you see all or killed or orphaned or ng hurt or killed or orphaned or whatever, there's so many people there that are in camp of there that are in this camp of ceasefire now. what they ceasefire now. that's what they desperately want. they will

desperately want. and they will see galloway as being see george galloway as being their of opportunity to their kind of opportunity to bnng their kind of opportunity to bring and put pressure on, um, to change the uk position on that. perhaps are you one of those people and do you think it will be effective? and if you're not of people, do not one of those people, what do you to get in touch you think to that? get in touch and know. gb views at gb and let me know. gb views at gb news. com is you get hold of news. com is how you get hold of me. to you me. there's lots to talk to you about break. want to about after the break. i want to ask definition the word ask the definition of the word extreme that extreme ism. what should that be? michael gove is looking at expanding and updating that. tell and i'll see you in two.

hello . hello. i'm hello . i'm michelle dewberry hello. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight alongside me, alex stein remained, as does juditha da silva. welcome back everybody. i can tell you now, you wouldn't expect less. george expect anything less. george galloway , really, galloway has really, really, really divided opinion among you guys at home. one of the things that i guys at home. one of the things thati do guys at home. one of the things that i do think it has kind of

sparked, i would say the speech that rishi sunak gave on friday that rishi sunak gave on friday that we watched live on this channel, i think that was sparked in massive part due to george galloway. there was a bit of it that really caught my eye. listen, want to remind you of listen, i want to remind you of it . it. >> when groups it. groups tell >> and when these groups tell our children they cannot our children that they cannot and will not succeed because of who . are, when they tell who they. are, when they tell children that the system is figged children that the system is rigged against them, or that britain is a racist country. this not a lie, but this is not only a lie, but a cynical attempt to crush young dreams and turn impressionistic minds against their own society. i stand here as our country's first non—white prime minister leader of the most diverse government in our country's history . to tell people of all history. to tell people of all races , all faiths and all races, all faiths and all backgrounds , it is not the backgrounds, it is not the colour of your skin, the god you believe in or where you are born that will determine your success. but just your own hard work and endeavour.

>> so i mean, lots of his speech caught my eye, but at that particular paragraph for me, alex, i feel like for so long now , um, in this country, we've now, um, in this country, we've allowed pretty much all all minority groups basically to batter the majority of people in minority groups basically to batt countryrajority of people in minority groups basically to batt country andity of people in minority groups basically to batt country and basically ple in this country and basically there's not institution that there's not an institution that seems to have gone on touch that's not institutionally racist or institutionally mis or institutionally this or institutionally this or institutionally that. most people white privilege. people have got white privilege. everyone's human being , everyone's an awful human being, and i think it's finally you've got someone actually talking up the country and saying that you can have, do and be anything that you want as you're that you want as long as you're committed know, committed and you, you know, you're going persevere and you're going to persevere and all i just don't all the rest of it, i just don't know why it's taken so long for rishi sunak come and talk rishi sunak to come out and talk like say that like that. well, you say that about prime minister time. >> was a spurred g was a spurred recent >> he was a spurred by recent events. we've discussing events. we've been discussing for but i think it's for the show, but i think it's the prime the first time any prime minister about minister has talked about society quite these society like this in quite these terms. and i think he speaks from a position of unchallengeable authority in terms of leading the most diverse governments in our history. is that is fact .

history. that is that is a fact. and it's, my view, rather and it's, in my view, a rather under—discussed one, perhaps because precisely because it's a conservative party that forms that government. think the that government. but i think the speech two different speech was about two different things. on the one hand, it was about succeed doing about people succeed doing whatever backgrounds , and whatever their backgrounds, and on the other hand, it was about extremism and think extremism. and you might think those things don't those two things don't necessarily quite fit together comfortably speech . the comfortably in a speech. the part you've chosen to highlight comfortably in a speech. the péabout've chosen to highlight comfortably in a speech. the pé about people ;en to highlight comfortably in a speech. the pé about people succeeding ght is about people succeeding regardless background . regardless of their background. and the thing that which and the thing about that which the didn't quite and the thing about that which the but didn't quite and the thing about that which the but have didn't quite and the thing about that which the but have longidn't quite and the thing about that which the but have long feltt quite and the thing about that which the but have long felt is uite and the thing about that which the but have long felt is .ite say, but i have long felt is. that since time immemorial, in our best souls, we've tried to say to people, it doesn't matter, as in word of doctor king, not about colour matter, as in word of doctor ki|your not about colour matter, as in word of doctor ki|your not it's)ut colour matter, as in word of doctor ki|your notit's about colour matter, as in word of doctor ki|your not it's about the our of your skin, it's about the content of your character. but then first, first time, then for the first, first time, this generation now being raised, not raised, being told that's not true the important true, what the most important thing of your skin thing is the colour of your skin is background. can is your background. you can never it. you will always never escape it. you will always be by race. you be defined by your race. you will defined by your will always be defined by your background. you will always have this guilt with you. you will always have this privilege or under privilege with you, and you and you can never escape it. and i think very good that the you can never escape it. and i think ministergood that the you can never escape it. and i think minister and that the you can never escape it. and i think minister and thet the prime minister and the government, implication, government, by implication, are combating you think? government, by implication, are comlthink you think? government, by implication, are

comlthink always nk? when you >> i think i always say when you get question the get a message, question the messenger. at the end of the day, unelected. day, he's unelected. so he's speaking experience that day, he's unelected. so he's spehasn't experience that day, he's unelected. so he's spehasn't exactly(perience that day, he's unelected. so he's spehasn't exactly earned.e that day, he's unelected. so he's spehasn't exactly earned. butit he hasn't exactly earned. but then i back then at the other time i go back to a what do you mean when he says he says that the position he now occupies , he wasn't elected into occupies, he wasn't elected into that occupies, he wasn't elected into tha yeah, that's system >> yeah, but that's how a system that system that we have. that is our system that we have. >> if you've got a leadership election , they don't have to go election, they don't have to go back general election . back to a general election. >> but who knows how he would turn if it was really put to turn out if it was really put to the people them to vote him the people for them to vote him into position. find the people for them to vote him intoif position. find the people for them to vote him intoif he oosition. find the people for them to vote him intoif he when n. find the people for them to vote him intoif he when it find the people for them to vote him intoif he when it comesind the people for them to vote him intoif he when it comes toi the people for them to vote him intoif he when it comes to an out if he when it comes to an election it really is to election where it really is to down the the people down the votes, the people to put what the point put him back. but what the point i'm is that i back i'm getting to is that i go back to during the covid era, where they black lives they had the black lives matter protests and they were interviewing an mp and they asked the asked him, he said, it's the most government you had. most diverse government you had. and then the news broadcaster just there black just said, are there any black people and he people in the cabinet and he wouldn't kept wouldn't answer. he just kept it's most it's the most diverse, the most diverse. chop . and diverse. so you can't chop. and change how you use that banner of definition. because at the end of the day, there is an experience that is had by the ethnic minority britain that ethnic minority in britain that is don't walk is undeniable. we don't walk around is a

around saying that britain is a racist no we suffer racist country. no we suffer racist country. no we suffer racist experiences that have to be acknowledged. and why must we have endure that? that is have to endure that? that is what the conversation we wish to have. what the conversation we wish to have . it's not about branding have. it's not about branding the country. it's about saying understand of understand the nuances of different happen and different experiences happen and experience by the different peoples that occupy country peoples that occupy that country to better. to make the country better. >> you kemi >> but what would you kemi badenoch black and she's in the cabinet. >> i don't kemi badenoch okay, that's different conversation. that's a different conversation. >> have of offline, >> we should have of offline, but i don't think she's black. no, is black. but kemi no, she is black. but kemi badenoch is a specific kind badenoch is a very specific kind of black who rages of black person who rages against the black community and the perspectives in to order ingratiate herself into spaces that benefit her. a lot of people do that racist thing. >> to say that is not the right kind of black person. no, no , kind of black person. no, no, it's not the right kind of black person. >> it's that she occupies a certain position that >> it's that she occupies a certain her position that >> it's that she occupies a certain her occupy, that >> it's that she occupies a certain her occupy, t01at >> it's that she occupies a certain her occupy, to get enables her to occupy, to get certain benefits. she knows she's it and she does it she's doing it and she does it in the way she does it, because it helps her stand out and stand out to the people will out to the people that will benefit on path that

benefit her on the path that she's herself. it's she's chosen for herself. it's something happens the she's chosen for herself. it's someining happens the she's chosen for herself. it's somein whetherhappens the she's chosen for herself. it's somein whether it's)ens the she's chosen for herself. it's somein whether it's in1s the time in whether it's in the jewish in black jewish community, in the black community, in the asian community. it's community. it happens. it's something the something that i won't use the terminology have terminology now writers have written have written about it. we have terminology within our community for people who do that. it's no, it's not favourable . so but it's not very favourable. so but we know what it is. but i'll tell you about it. but it's not favourable. i shouldn't use it on but the thing is on television. but the thing is that because comes that it's because it comes from something elemental something very elemental in human survival human nature as a survival instinct, people will make choices that they. it's almost the crabs in bucket the crabs in the bucket mentality that they feel will benefit even to the benefit them, even to the detriment well, explore. >> let's explore then >> let's explore this then let's come it. after the come back to it. after the break. i'll see you in two.

hello, everybody. welcome back to dewbs& co. if you're just wondering what on earth has gone on in the house of lords? long story short, the government got battered over the rwanda bill. doesn't really matter, though, because probably

because they'll probably overturn comes back overturn it when it comes back to anyway , the optics to them. but anyway, the optics are not good and rishi sunak will be a bit will probably be sweating a bit more perhaps more tonight than he was perhaps this a good this morning. it's not a good day for him. uh, george galloway continues remain , uh, as continues to remain, uh, as a divisive for all of divisive character for all of you, but a lot of people are saying actually, politics will finally become interesting in the but interesting for the the uk, but interesting for the right not. that's right reason or not. that's what i'd ask you anyway. we're just having conversation , this having this conversation, this whole about extremism and whole notion about extremism and division and all the rest of it. i played you a clip before the break sunak. he's break of rishi sunak. he's saying you've got these saying that you've got all these groups that tell people that they and we're they won't succeed and we're a racist all that. so racist country and all that. so i just applauding basically i was just applauding basically someone finally coming out and celebrating uh, what's in celebrating, uh, what's good in the anyway? just have the country anyway? we just have this you were this conversation, uh, you were talking about diversity, uh, in the cabinet. and why your words, not mine . um, the black people not mine. um, the black people that are in the cabinet are perhaps not the right kind of black really black people, which really stopped really stopped me in my tracks. really because thought that was quite because i thought that was quite a because it's it's >> it's because it's not. it's not that's not >> it's because it's not. it's not terms that's not >> it's because it's not. it's not terms theology not >> it's because it's not. it's not terms theology and not >> it's because it's not. it's not terms theology and that's the terms theology and that's not the meaning i had. it's not that if you're a black person,

you're a black person. it's the perspective , the choices and the perspective, the choices and the execution plan. when it comes to occupying positions of power . occupying positions of power. because it's this is something that it goes back to, like i said, the elemental, um, aspects of human nature and survival when you're in an oppressed group or a disenfranchised group or a minority group, the desire to do something to break free of the rest will make you make choices. that goes against that collective, and you see it as a singular choice, which is your right to have. but then you cannot dispute the reaction that the rest of community has the rest of the community has for you. made that choice i >> -- >> alex. >> alex. >> well, i think his community is very proud of rishi sunak becoming prime minister, and i, um, he's a person of an ethnic minority . so suella braverman minority. so suella braverman and you want to talk and if you want to talk specifically black, um, i mentioned kemi badenoch before the break and you didn't say she was the wrong type of black person. said a very person. you said she was a very specific type of black person. if james cleverly, of if i choose james cleverly, of course, another person in

course, another black person in the the most the cabinet. perhaps the most interesting example, because the career come to fruition is, career has come to fruition is, is kwasi kwarteng , who became is kwasi kwarteng, who became our first black chancellor, not very, very long, but of course, he rose in the conservative party perceived merit . he party on perceived merit. and he fell quickly perceived fell very quickly on perceived merit people would merit or however people would judge that performance. and there is a, uh, somebody who's political career rose and fell within the party to which i belong, based on what the perceptions of his merit were. and would say that's good and i would say that's a good thing british my thing in british society. but my point if you you can of point is, if you you can of course, say that the prime minister and sevilla braverman are not specifically black, but kemi badenoch, as james cleverly is the former chancellor is i mean, you start picking up these examples of people serving minorities and the prime minister's point about the diversity the cabinet diversity of the cabinet is right, it? no. right, isn't it? no. >> then i actually really be >> but then i actually really be glad that you made that comparison about sunak and comparison about rishi sunak and his community. is proud of him. all do is just scratch all you need do is just scratch the surface and invest gate what the surface and invest gate what the general black community feels about kwasi kwarteng and

kemi badenoch. and there you will see where the cracks lie that have, i've described that i have, that i've described because i said, the asian because i like i said, the asian experience is not the same as the black experience. black experience is not the same as the far eastern experience . and the far eastern experience. and that that tarring that is why we feel that tarring us with the same brush and saying that we're we're calling the racist, should be the country racist, we should be grateful that's what grateful or go back. that's what creates problem. if creates a problem. because if you nuances you listen to the nuances of conversation asian, when black people about institutional people talk about institutional racism lives matter, racism and black lives matter, we're saying that identify that we're saying that identify that we have to endure certain lived experiences, that if only you would engage with us in a form of understanding, it could be it could be recalibrated and be different for us. >> and you have a life experience that i don't have in this country. interestingly, experience that i don't have in tidon'tjntry. interestingly, experience that i don't have in tidon't think interestingly, experience that i don't have in tidon't think you're:erestingly, experience that i don't have in tidon't think you're suggesting i don't think you're suggesting that fail recognise those that i fail to recognise those things. think saying things. i think you're saying that we're that the black people we're discussing in government fail to recognise that. >> and so basically telling us as collective that, well, as the collective that, well, we've black person, we've elected a black person, you should grateful. isn't we've elected a black person, you remedy grateful. isn't we've elected a black person, you remedy . grateful. isn't the remedy. >> blimey, what do you make to all of that? i'm sure some

strong opinions will be had at home. get in touch and let me know. don't forget nigel farage. he is after the break at 7:00 tonight. he wants to talk all things ofcom. you know, when i was air on friday, campaign was on air on friday, a campaign group was emailing of my group was emailing many of my viewers who were on their database them that they database telling them that they should together, get in should come together, get in touch and petition to touch with ofcom and petition to close us down. i don't mean to be rude, but i certainly think that some people need to get a life. goodness me. anyway, alex steen , thank thank very steen, thank you. thank you very much. uh, for your company, judhha much. uh, for your company, juditha silva. thank you too, juditha da silva. thank you too, for yours always . thank you for yours as always. thank you for yours as always. thank you for of your company at home. for all of your company at home. uh it's never a dull day, is it? in british politics, tomorrow is going to be no different. and i'll then. but for now, i'll be back then. but for now, nigel night . nigel farage night. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> evening . welcome along to >> evening. welcome along to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. but

a fog forming overnight wet weather is pushing its way northwards . and then tomorrow, northwards. and then tomorrow, well, a few showers, but for many it's going to be a fine day. far from fine out there this though, this evening though, low pressure moving in, pressure has been moving in, bringing weather across bringing some wet weather across the , and these weather the southwest, and these weather fronts continue to track north overnight. to heavy for overnight. nothing to heavy for most, but a damp, dank kind of night as it turns quite misty and murky . a few fog patches and murky. a few fog patches around touch of frost possible through parts of wales and southwest england. most towns and cities are holding a couple of degrees above freezing, but nevertheless a chilly start . but nevertheless a chilly start. but certainly across the midlands . certainly across the midlands. and it will be quite murky here. some fog patches for central and eastern parts of england. rain and drizzle eastern england and drizzle over eastern england and drizzle over eastern england and northeast and lingering in northeast scotland a of wet start scotland. a bit of a wet start for of northern ireland for parts of northern ireland too. that rain will spread into western scotland, but for a good chunk be chunk of the country it'll be a dry and a bright once we've dry and a bright day. once we've lost morning mist and fog. dry and a bright day. once we've lost somerorning mist and fog. dry and a bright day. once we've lost some heavy| mist and fog. dry and a bright day. once we've lost some heavy showersd fog. dry and a bright day. once we've lost some heavy showers across but some heavy showers across the southeast. temperatures here could reach 12 celsius for most

10 or 11 degrees. the wind is fairly though, probably fairly light though, so probably feeling a touch than feeling a touch warmer than today. touch of frost returns, today. a touch of frost returns, though on tuesday night into wednesday morning and wednesday, looking fairly grey again in eastern areas with a few light showers possible and many western areas dry and bright with some decent spells of sunshine . temperatures again sunshine. temperatures again where it's grey, 8 or 9 with a bit of sunshine. 11 or 12. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers as sponsors of weather on .

gb news. good evening. >> ofcom have decided that myself and this programme are now under investigation . i'll now under investigation. i'll tell you why in a moment and what my response is. george galloway enters the house of

commons after a very, very sectarian vote in rochdale . i sectarian vote in rochdale. i ask, is this a dark day for parliament? and gary goldsmith , parliament? and gary goldsmith, the uncle of kate middleton, goesin the uncle of kate middleton, goes in to the big brother household . there are worries he household. there are worries he might let the side down. i know, gary, i'll tell you what i think in just a bit. but before all of that, let's get the news with polly middlehurst . polly middlehurst. >> nigel, thank you and good evening to you. well, let's start this bulletin with some breaking news. we tell breaking news. we can tell you that record 385 migrants that our record 385 migrants crossed the english channel today. that is the largest number on a single day so far this year. and gb news understands a seventh small boat crossed into uk waters this evening. it was carrying 49 more migrants . it follows six other migrants. it follows six other boats from earlier on today, which were carrying 336 people. they were intercepted by border