hunt, did you see the of jeremy hunt, did you see the graffiti on his office windows? tory scum die? how on earth do we calm things down in this country? and let's talk as well about policing , because about policing, because something caught my eye in new york. they've now got soldiers on the underground. when you look here in this country, apparently attacks on underground staff were up 75% last year, some suggesting it might be time to roll out the soldiers on our underground. really your thoughts on that? and what do you do about the whole issue of truancy in schools? a headmaster in doncaster has been in trouble. he's been going round to the houses of absent kids. looking at your bins out. are your cars on the drive? he says, is checking that everything's okay. some people saying, though, some people are saying, though, that snooping it's all that he's snooping and it's all overreach. it time, though, overreach. is it time, though, to bring back truancy officers or not? and let's talk e—scooters. there's been another accident which resulted in a death. is it time to ban these things once and for. all? well,

we're going to get stuck into all of that and more. but before we do, let's cross live for tonight's latest news headlines. >> michelle, thanks very much. good evening from the gb newsroom. it'sjust good evening from the gb newsroom. it's just gone 6:00 and we start with more budget reaction. we understand that stabilising british economy will likely mean more taxes. that's according to the international monetary fund. despite yesterday's cut to national insurance , the £0.02 cut from insurance, the £0.02 cut from jeremy hunt comes as a cost to the government of around £10 billion. however any benefits for the taxpayer are likely to be cancelled out by an expected rise in council tax. but jeremy hunt told gb news earlier that the budget is proof that the government's fiscal plan, he says, is working. >> we want to end the unfairness is the direction of travel. we've gone is to reduce national insurance by one third. the fact

that labour are opposing this today is really because labour don't have any plans to reduce taxation. it sort of makes my point for me, their plan is basically that tax should remain at its current levels. we say we don't have to accept the status quo. if you make difficult decisions, if you stick to our plan for the economy , that's plan for the economy, that's seen inflation falling and growth starting to rise , we can growth starting to rise, we can bnng growth starting to rise, we can bring down the tax burden . bring down the tax burden. >> well, sir keir starmer says that the conservatives are giving with one hand and taking with the other. and he said that unlike the government, labour's policies are funded . policies are fully funded. >> contrast that with the government where yesterday at the end of the budget, the chancellor made a staggering £46 billion unfunded commitment to aboush billion unfunded commitment to abolish national insurance. that's bigger than liz truss's commitment. so they've learnt absolutely nothing. we need change. it's time for change. >> well, i just want to bring you some breaking news that we're getting from kyiv tonight,

that secretary has that the defence secretary has announced a further £125 million of british military support to ukraine in a major move against putin's invasion. our home and security editor, mark white joins us live now for more on that. mark, thanks for being with us tonight. what does this latest announcement from grant shapps mean for ukraine? >> well, it is significant . >> well, it is significant. since the start of this war, the uk has committed more than £7 billion to ukraine's defence. but there's no doubt that this extra package announced by grant shapps on a visit to ukraine is very significant. hundreds of pounds millions of pounds in extra commitment from the uk to provide 10,000 military drones. now the vast majority will be first person view drones, fpv drones , which can loiter over drones, which can loiter over the battle space and drop their munitions on russian tanks and artillery. but it will also

provide a thousand new one way attack drones. in addition to that, more maritime attack drones that are being used to devastating effect in recent months. in fact , just this week, months. in fact, just this week, a maritime attack drones attacked and sunk a russian patrol ship in the black sea. >> mark, thank you very much. mark white, there are home and security editor with the latest coming to us from kyiv tonight. well, that news comes as sweden has officially today joined nato, marking a historic moment for the nation and the military alliance. the move in response to russia's invasion of ukraine strengthens nato's defence. and it's also a significant shift for sweden, ending its long standing policy of military neutrality. russia though, has threatened retaliation, although with unspecified countermeasure measures . with unspecified countermeasure measures. back here in the uk, an independent public inquiry will be held to examine the police's response in scotland to the murder of emma caldwell

almost 20 years ago. the announcement comes after both the scottish first minister, humza yousaf, and his justice secretary met with emma's mother earlier this week . miss caldwell earlier this week. miss caldwell was killed by serial rapist ian parker in 2005, but it was only last week that he was convicted of her murder, along with a series of rapes and other offences. her family says that the police failed their daughter due to a toxic culture of misogyny and corruption. at the time . christian horner's accuser time. christian horner's accuser has been suspended following red bull's investigation into an alleged inappropriate behaviour. the formula one teams principal was allowed to remain in his role after red bull's parent company, gm , dismissed the company, gm, dismissed the accusations that were made against him. we understand that the female member of staff has now been suspended as a result of that inquiry , and to the of that inquiry, and to the united states, where president joe biden is preparing to deliver his state of the union speech later this evening , he's speech later this evening, he's expected to use his fourth

address to present a sharp distinction between his style of leadership and that of his likely opponent , donald trump. likely opponent, donald trump. touting a strong economic performance. he'll also look to allay voters concerns about his age, despite being just four years older than mr trump . and years older than mr trump. and finally, tails are wagging in birmingham today as the world's biggest dog show returns. canines in colourful coats and scarves, even in leg warmers, have descended on the city for this year's crufts. a selection of agility and jumping tasks are on the agenda for the first day of the show , as well as a music of the show, as well as a music competition, obedience challenges and of west midlands police display . those are police dog display. those are the headlines. for more, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code there on your screen or if you're listening on radio, go to gb news. common alerts. >> thank you very much for that. i've got to say, i'm in awe of those dogs and some of their

behaviours. the better behaved than most children these days aren't i think what we aren't they? i think what we could do, perhaps that's a new strategy. some of those dog strategy. get some of those dog trainers out about in some trainers out and about in some of they'd be of the nurseries, etc. they'd be able some of the able to sort out some of the problems society overnight. problems in society overnight. those dogs. you have you those dogs. how do you have you got? oh, i'm just to start got? oh, i'm just about to start to talking my panel. i forgot to even introduce i even introduce them. i was getting about that getting so excited about that story. alongside story. everyone alongside me, i've story. everyone alongside me, pve the story. everyone alongside me, i've the editor of i've got the former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, and the unionist and the trade unionist and broadcaster macdonald. have broadcaster andy macdonald. have you dog, andy? you got a dog, andy? >> i don't know. >> i don't know. >> dog? kelvin yes >> do you have a dog? kelvin yes i is it as well—behaved as i do. is it as well—behaved as some those ones at crufts, some of those ones at crufts, no. but interesting thing, no. but the interesting thing, apart dramatic news of apart from the dramatic news of the military drones the 10,000 military drones going to ukraine, is thing that to ukraine, is the thing that really you to the news really attracts you to the news is see, dogs on there, is when you see, dogs on there, well, say, it did well, i've got to say, it did really prick my ears up there. >> now, some of the way that i just think some the way that just think some of the way that groomed these dogs, the behaviour, are just behaviour, they are just so obedient. think cracked obedient. i think i've cracked it, you get these dog it, you know, get these dog trainers into some of the schools of britain sort schools of britain that sort them wouldn't them right out, wouldn't they? i want about the schools

want to talk about the schools of little bit later on of britain a little bit later on in the programme. many kids, in the programme. so many kids, you they're not attending you know, they're not attending schools. about schools. what do you do about it? one headmaster, he's decided to round the houses make to go round the houses and make sure everything's well, sure that, everything's well, which good, isn't it? which is right. good, isn't it? apparently, it's not. apparently, no it's not. apparently it's all snooping. strange these strange world. we live in these days, anyway, i want days, isn't it? anyway, i want your on all of that. your thoughts on all of that. and thank by the way, to and thank you. by the way, to everyone who came to whitehaven last night, much enjoyed last night, very much enjoyed that it was a very that programme. it was a very lively audience, but lively audience, wasn't it? but we're a more calm we're back in a more calm environment tonight, back the environment tonight, back in the studio know the drill, studio and you know the drill, don't it's not just about don't you? it's not just about us here. very much us three here. it's very much about guys home well. about you guys at home as well. what's on mind tonight? what's on your mind tonight? vaiews@gbnews.com you what's on your mind tonight? va hold 2gbnews.com you what's on your mind tonight? va hold of)news.com you what's on your mind tonight? vahold of me.'s.com you what's on your mind tonight? vahold of me. orom you what's on your mind tonight? vahold of me. or you you what's on your mind tonight? vahold of me. or you can you what's on your mind tonight? vahold of me. or you can tweet get hold of me. or you can tweet or text me at gb news. and yes, i it's not called twitter i know it's not called twitter anymore. pound for anymore. i've had a pound for everyone in touch everyone that gets in touch saying, you tell michelle to saying, can you tell michelle to educate it's not called educate herself? it's not called twitter. know that just twitter. i know that it just sounds better, it? sounds better, doesn't it? anyway, you know drill. get anyway, you know the drill. get in your thoughts are very in touch. your thoughts are very welcome programme welcome on the programme tonight, to cast your tonight, but i want to cast your mind yesterday. of mind back to yesterday. of course, indeed the course, it was indeed the budget. eyebrows budget. many people's eyebrows were by the

were raised, though, by the opening the opening statement of the chancellor. remind chancellor. let's remind ourselves that was ourselves about what that was about as we mourn the tragic loss of life in israel and gaza. >> the prime minister reminded us last week of the need to fight extremism and heal divisions. so i start today by remembering the muslims who died in two world wars in the service of freedom and democracy. we need a memorial to honour them . need a memorial to honour them. ihave need a memorial to honour them. i have decided to allocate £1 million towards the cost of building one. whatever your faith or colour or class, this country will never forget the sacrifices aussies made for our future. >> well, our political editor , >> well, our political editor, christopher hope, today interviewed the chancellor of the exchequer and asked him about a variety of things, but of course touched on the opening sentiment. let's have a listen. >> i think it is important to recognise the contribution of 170,000 muslims who died defending our freedoms. 170,000 muslims who died defending our freedoms . we have defending our freedoms. we have already, as a government, supported a memorial to sikh

soldiers who died. we supported a memorial to black and african soldiers who died in windrush square in brixton . and a very square in brixton. and a very good proposal. i also, by the way , remembered, the sufferings way, remembered, the sufferings and worries of people of the jewish faith in my autumn statement. so a very good proposal was made to me by sajid javid, who is a colleague and a friend, and i decided that that had merit. >> i've got to tell you as well, there's been a big reaction to that announcement, you know, very different opinions and quite strong opinions on both sides. i'm pleased now to be joined down the line by naveed asghar, deputy chair of the asghar, the deputy chair of the conservative forum. good conservative muslim forum. good evening this evening to you. what does this memorial mean you? memorial mean to you? >> evening michelle. i >> good evening michelle. i think it's very important. and as the chancellor has said, i don't want to repeat what he said. i think it goes a long way in healing the rifts have in healing the rifts that have been recently. the been caused recently. with the war middle east. we have war in the middle east. we have seen of thousands of

seen hundreds of thousands of people marching in towns and cities uk, cities across the uk, and i think is really important think it is really important that, chancellor that, you know, the chancellor has the 4 million has shown that the 4 million population muslims uk are population muslims in the uk are valued members of society. and you that the chancellor, you know that the chancellor, the there to the government is there to represent protect everybody. the government is there to repr> and let me ask you, because i must naveed, must confess, naveed, i personally thought very personally thought it was very odd to say the least, that here we are. we've got very we are. we've got a very important about, important announced all about, specifically finances specifically about the finances of the nation, how people at home, how their back pockets are going to look in the year ahead,

what's going more what's going to be more expensive, what's hopefully going cheaper, i going to be cheaper, etc. i found utterly bizarre that to found it utterly bizarre that to start that process with talk about a memorial, irrespective of who the memorial is and for and all the rest of it was irrelevant, it's the notion that that was the first priority of the chancellor. what did you make to that? >> i can't give an >> that i can't give you an answer on, you know, i'm asking you what you thought it being priority number one at the top of a financial budget. that's right. so here's the thing. i don't think that's what the opening would opening statement would be, i had that it was had some inclination that it was going part of the budget going to be part of the budget as somewhere the line. and as somewhere along the line. and because such a small because it was such a small amount compared to the amount of money compared to the 20 worth savings 20 billion worth of savings since the autumn and now since the autumn budget, and now that in for that they're putting in for national insurance and cuts, you know, self—employed know, for self—employed vat thresholds businesses thresholds for small businesses and system and and reforming the tax system and vapes, know, that's vapes, etc. you know, that's where were really focussed. where we were really focussed. so this not something that i so this was not something that i thought anywhere thought was going to be anywhere near thought it near the start. i thought it might have been discussed as, you closing shot or you know, as a closing shot or something that. be something like that. i'll be honest.

>> yeah. let me ask you a >> yeah. and let me ask you a question, because i feel a little i worry little little bit and i worry a little bit, actually, naveed, whether or muslim vote is or not the muslim vote is essentially being weaponized, politicised, people now essentially being weaponized, politi(this, people now essentially being weaponized, politi(this vote people now essentially being weaponized, politi(this vote in eople now essentially being weaponized, politi(this vote in order now essentially being weaponized, politi(this vote in order to now essentially being weaponized, politi(this vote in order to gain' using this vote in order to gain political advantage. do you feel that way or not? >> absolutely. i'm really >> absolutely. and i'm really against and you know, it against that. and you know, it definitely should the definitely should not be the case because we're just hard working know, working people. you know, a majority of muslims in this country hard country are moderate, hard working people into the working people who pay into the tax and, you know, they tax system, and, you know, they came third, fourth came here second, third, fourth generation. grandparents came came here second, third, fourth genein ion. grandparents came came here second, third, fourth genein 1950. grandparents came came here second, third, fourth genein 1950. and,indparents came came here second, third, fourth genein 1950. and, you arents came came here second, third, fourth genein 1950. and, you know, came here in 1950. and, you know, here in 1950. and, you know, here based in scotland, here we are based in scotland, in glasgow. you know, we're third, fourth generation. my kids adults and, you kids are now adults and, you know, here, we're going to know, we're here, we're going to be for you know, be here for the, you know, eternity essentially. so we're a part society and, and and eternity essentially. so we're a pariprotection and, and and eternity essentially. so we're a pariprotection ofld, and and eternity essentially. so we're a pariprotection of the|nd and eternity essentially. so we're a pariprotection of the uk. and eternity essentially. so we're a pariprotection of the uk. the|nd the protection of the uk. the well—being is my well—being of the uk is my priority. just like yourself. but, you know, i want to make sure my kids have a good sure my kids have got a good education. they've got good jobs, interest jobs, i've got low interest rates. cost of living crisis rates. the cost of living crisis is affecting everybody. all these are dealt we these things are dealt with. we don't want to be just labelled as targeted for our faith or our religion. and i don't think any faith wants to be

faith community wants that to be the i think we need to get the case. i think we need to get on and get past this. this is something that you used to see in, you know, in, you know, something that you used to see in, you 100 w, in, you know, something that you used to see in, you 100 w, in, ago know, something that you used to see in, you 100 w, in, ago orow, maybe 100 years ago or something. immigrants first something. when immigrants first started think started arriving, i don't think that be the now, in that should be the case. now, in this and age, i mean, you this day and age, i mean, you know, going back to the war memorial, it's a fantastic thing. 170,000 muslims died and 3.5 the 3.5 million people from the indian to indian subcontinent came to fight bodies. those fight with those bodies. those able fighting world able bodied men fighting world war world ii. the war i and world war ii. the chances the wars won by chances of the wars being won by the were going to the allied forces were going to be slim. these people came be very slim. these people came in and actually made a fantastic contribution. we contribution. and this is why we have the freedoms we have today, so think absolutely right have the freedoms we have today, so they absolutely right have the freedoms we have today, so they (to olutely right have the freedoms we have today, so they (to be tely right have the freedoms we have today, so they (to be valued.|t that they have to be valued. >> i completely agree with everything said everything that you've just said there. this notion, though, of creating separate memorials, based fear for based on whether it's fear for whatever, you think that that whatever, do you think that that is unifying? because of is more unifying? because of course, we already have dirty war and memorials that war memorials and memorials that already all the already commemorate all of the dead. for example, dead. you've got, for example, the cenotaph , you've the the cenotaph, you've got the memorial hyde park, memorial gates near hyde park, for example . for example. >> all that commemorates the problem with that is that there

hasn't been any mention, really, of any notable mention of all the allied forces in those countries that did support. now, you'd understand if it was just a amount, but 3.5 million a small amount, but 3.5 million soldiers wars soldiers over two world wars is a contribution , and a phenomenal contribution, and it's never really sort of brought a point. and that's why faith communities want ensure faith communities want to ensure that great that their great great grandparents , their sort of, you grandparents, their sort of, you know, family members, etc, are , know, family members, etc, are, commemorated in this kind of way. and then for people to go and you know, pray and, you know, have a peaceful time there at these places. so this one is going be it's going to going to be made. it's going to be, you know, £1 million spent. it's a fantastic proposal. and i think is important you think it is important that, you know, different than know, it's no different than having of worship for having places of worship for each religion, etc. you know, people their own people want to have their own safe to go and, you know, safe space to go and, you know, to to, mourn their loved ones and lost ones and, you know, yesterday, jeremy hunt, he brought up the connection. >> he was saying, on the one hand, he was talking about extremism. then he was talking about therefore, the need for this memorial. what do you feel

about on the one side? because i completely agree with everything that you're saying, by the way. absolutely should, acknowledge and lost and value anyone that's lost their lives. >> many people asked me that as being chair of the being deputy chair of the conservative forum. many conservative muslim forum. many people conversations conservative muslim forum. many peopme, conversations conservative muslim forum. many peopme, repeatedly.ations conservative muslim forum. many peopme, repeatedly say ns with me, and i repeatedly say the there is no room the same thing. there is no room in country extremists, in this country for extremists, regardless of culture, regardless of which culture, which country which religion, which country they from, and there is no they come from, and there is no different left wing different to even left wing extremists , right wing extremists, right wing extremists, right wing extremists religious extremists or religious extremists or religious extremists britain is extremists we want. britain is a country which is welcoming and open to everybody. everybody who is should be here legally. is here should be here legally. and we know, i want to and we want to know, i want to make sure that my children are safe. i am safe, and everybody in safe. in my society is safe. >> why is jeremy hunt >> but why is jeremy hunt connecting extremism memorial? >> i don't think he was connecting it with this memorial . it's a separate . i think it's a separate conversation. know, it's not conversation. you know, it's not connected to this memorial. the memorial is a standalone thing that, know, javid and that, you know, sajid javid and his organisation had, with his , his organisation had, with his, connected with had a fantastic proposal several proposals proposal and several proposals like this up and down the country, actually, but that is

the key one they've decided the key one that they've decided to fund. >> thank you ever so much for that insight, naveed, that's naveed arshad, the deputy chair of muslim of the conservative muslim forum. thank you very much, kevin mckenzie, your thoughts? >> well, i i'm not in favour of religious memorials to the war, it doesn't really matter whether you're christian, sikh, hindu, jew or whatever you are fighting for your nation. you weren't fighting for your religion , so fighting for your religion, so i don't agree with that, he says he said in there that peace there that that there was no link between extremism and there was no there was no room in our nafion was no there was no room in our nation for extremism. well the only extremism that i can think of, which has led to anybody being killed is, is muslim extremism. and so i feel quite upset about that. we should be taking £1 million of taxpayers to , money, to hold on though, to, money, to hold on though, because there is a difference, because there is a difference, because you say muslim extremism

and many, many people that are normal, decent muslims would absolutely push back against that and say it's not muslim extremism, it's islamists . extremism, it's islamists. >> it's people that are not tolerant, decent muslims . it's tolerant, decent muslims. it's people that actually want to replace the whole belief system, the whole framework of this country. it's the islamists. they're completely two different things. >> they can say that, but there are examples all over the world. where islam , followers of where is islam, followers of islam, islamists, and they seem to have managed to drive a line between being muslim and being an islamist . but i think some an islamist. but i think some people would find that difficult to, to kind of bridge, to be honest with you. i so look at the end of it all, i am not in favour of and the holocaust argument is completely wrong. the holocaust right we are what we're doing there is we're celebrating the fact that we feel so upset about what happened to 1 or 1 complete

religion . and this happens all religion. and this happens all over the world. so this is happening in berlin. it's happening in berlin. it's happening everywhere. so i, i do not like the idea of conflating those two particular. >> yeah, i've got to say, there are a variety of dedicated memorials. there's a sikh one, a world war one sikh memorial, there's a jewish memorial, there's a jewish memorial, there's an african and caribbean war memorial. there are war memorial. so there are already a few separate already quite a few separate different memorials also as well. i do have to say there'll be a of shouting at be a lot of people shouting at the like, you the screen, things like, you know, lot of different know, there's a lot of different groups actually have groups actually that have committed will committed terrorism. people will be places like be shouting about places like the people like the ira, for example. what do make example. andy, what do you make of it all? >> yeah, i think, you know, even i memorial for i think there's a memorial for horses the two horses that died in the two world so i think world wars. so i don't think saying, oh, we can't have it for individual groups is really individual groups is a really valid idea. there are valid idea. when there are a range of different religious, ethnic know, ethnic and even, you know, species there. i species memorials out there. i think you said is think the point you said is i think the point you said is i think you said islamist extremism the one that's extremism is the only one that's killed anyone. that's objectively not you know, objectively not true. you know, you the us very you look at the us very recently, white recently, there's some white nationalist a

nationalist extremism. i think a lot black people would argue lot of black people would argue in country, in our country, in our country, in our country, the ira, have been way the ira, there have been way north ira were north of 100, kill the ira were predominantly christians. yeah. >> so what are you saying? we should we should start giving a million ira. should we should start giving a mili'm ira. should we should start giving a mili'm just ira. should we should start giving a mili'm just saying that you're wrong. >> no, i am saying islamist extremism isn't the only extremism isn't the only extremism kills people. extremism that kills people. extremism? well, the ira. >> yeah, so you can't >> yeah, exactly. so you can't see at that point, then? actually it's not. it's wrong. see at that point, then? actuewhats not. it's wrong. see at that point, then? actuewhats not. it'sbecause you yeah what you said because you just extremism is just said muslim extremism is the only force basically. >> it's only way in >> well, it's the only way in this discussion . it's the only this discussion. it's the only one. not suggesting we one. you're not suggesting we should memorial to the should have a memorial to the ira you? oh, right. i'm ira, are you? no. oh, right. i'm just saying. well, that was my. that my argument. yeah. that was my argument. yeah. >> i do just reiterate, >> i do want to just reiterate, though, because many peaceful, decent know some of decent muslims i know some of you and also i know people will be watching you with an absolutely fit into that category. and you will you will passionately push back on the nofion passionately push back on the notion celebrating passionately push back on the notion that celebrating passionately push back on the notion that lost celebrating passionately push back on the notion that lost theiralebrating passionately push back on the notion that lost their lives,ting people that lost their lives, that lives for our that gave their lives for our freedom, in any way shape or freedom, is in any way shape or form linked to why should they be defined by religion , michel? be defined by religion, michel? >> should why should? surely >> why should why should? surely it collective ? the religion

it is a collective? the religion is a separate issue. this is a national campaign against some country, you know, fighting for some country . we are all in it some country. we are all in it together. we don't need to also be divided on the basis of whatever religion we're. so do you object to the sikh one as well? i have done had i well? i would have done had i known about it. i've only known about recently. about it recently. >> yeah, also must >> yeah, but also i must say that people's religious identity, whatever that is, whether christian, jewish, whether it's christian, jewish, muslim, i must muslim, whatever. i mean, i must confess, not massively confess, i'm not massively religious, know many religious, but i know many people are. that is a huge part of proud actually, of who of proud part, actually, of who you the conversation, i'm you are. the conversation, i'm sure, continue. and want sure, will continue. and i want to bring into it at to bring you guys into it at home as well. what are your thoughts on all of that? vaiews@gbnews.com i've got a lot that i want to talk to you about before program about before the program finishes. to finishes. i want to talk to you about train stations over in new york. they've now started putting guards on the putting armed guards on the trains there. some people suggesting given the rate of violence and abuse towards staff here, we should follow suit. really thoughts on that

? >> 7- >> this ? >> this sunday on 7 >> this sunday on free ? >> this sunday on free speech nation. with me. andrew doyle. i'll be delving into the w path files. explosive revelations leaked by whistleblowers that show how the world's top transgender medical experts put a whole generation at risk . i'll a whole generation at risk. i'll be speaking to a range of guests, including journalist michael shellenberger , best michael shellenberger, best selling author helen joyce, leading physician doctor kerry mendoza, psychotherapist stella o'malley , and many more. find o'malley, and many more. find out about one of the biggest medical scandals of the century in free speech nation. this sunday at 7 pm. on . gb news. sunday at 7 pm. on. gb news. >> hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. alongside me, the former editor of the sun , kelvin former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie, and the trade unionist and broadcaster andy mackay . donald. now, we spoke mackay. donald. now, we spoke before the break about jeremy hunt. it really did. you see this today? i have to say some

of these things. they just stopped me in my tracks because i think what kind of absolute pillock behaves in this manner? what referring to? i'm what am i referring to? i'm referring jeremy hunt's referring to, jeremy hunt's office. the words, i'll actually bnng office. the words, i'll actually bring it up on the screen. he's just had graffitied, over the windows and the doors . i'll show windows and the doors. i'll show you it now. di tory scum . i you it now. di tory scum. i mean, i just, i just, i you it now. di tory scum. i mean, i just, ijust, i look you it now. di tory scum. i mean, i just, i just, i look at mean, ijust, ijust, i look at that and i just think , what? that and i just think, what? like i said, what kind of moron kind of does that , andy, when kind of does that, andy, when you see that, what do you think to it ? to it? >> well, it's disgusting, isn't it? really. you know, any threat of violence against a mp is obviously dreadful, i think it's really quite troubling that the house of commons and kind of whoever looks after mp security, i guess that would be the met police haven't done anything. you know, we've seen over the last few years. jo cox, sir, david amess, even, you know, the recent incident with mike freer, he had the i think it was arson in his office and nothing tangible seems to done. and tangible seems to be done. and this is going back years. i

mean, you know, mean, jo cox was, you know, sadly in 2016. i mean, sadly murdered in 2016. i mean, we're in 2026, and we're here almost in 2026, and there been many advances there haven't been many advances done by either the police or the house of commons safety committee it is just committee or whomever it is just something needs to be done david amess after amess as well after that. >> something needs >> but you say something needs to done. actually when to be done. but actually when you you look at you sit and you look at politicians themselves and the you sit and you look at polittheys themselves and the you sit and you look at politthey behave,3lves and the you sit and you look at politthey behave, ives and the you sit and you look at politthey behave, i mean,i the you sit and you look at politthey behave, i mean, this way they behave, i mean, this whole notion of the whole notion that are if you vote that you are scum if you vote for the tory party, those seeds were planted, for example, by the angela rayner. the likes of angela rayner. >> don't they were >> i don't think they were planted angela rayner. planted by angela rayner. i think the tory scum go think the tory scum does go back.i think the tory scum does go back. i think it predates 2021 or do it was that angela rayner back. i think it predates 2021 or d(it. was that angela rayner said it. >> but you think that it's >> but do you think that it's okay for angela rayner? and okay then for angela rayner? and i'll direct quote, i'll do the direct quote, because think it's only fair, because i think it's only fair, she we cannot get any worse she says we cannot get any worse than bunch of scum, than a bunch of scum, homophobic, racist, misogynist, absolutely banana republic, homophobic, racist, misogynist, abso nasty banana republic, homophobic, racist, misogynist, abso nasty etonian|ana republic, vile, nasty etonian pieces of scum , i, i just want to describe scum, i, i just want to describe it's kind of listening to this on the radio. you found that funny. >> you kind of laugh because it's so ridiculous. you know, it's so ridiculous. you know,

it's a laugh of shock and surprise. >> that's why you're laughing, that you think it's ridiculous. >> i think it's incredibly bizarre that she would say that as of the as the deputy leader of the opposition, but i don't know the context i don't context that was said. i don't know what the context of that was said. >> e come w“ >> oh, come on, come on, andy, unless living under unless you've been living under a mean, you can't a rock. i mean, you i can't remember the specific context. >> i think it was directed at a specific incident was on. specific incident she was on. she on the stage. she was on the stage. >> was on the microphone. >> she was on the microphone. and that's what she was shouting into microphone. not into the microphone. i'm not sure found a little bit odd sure i found it a little bit odd that you would you're that you would say that you're not sure about this not really sure about this incident, mean, it incident, because, i mean, it was all over the was publicised all over the place. a very, very, very place. it's a very, very, very few ago. place. it's a very, very, very fewin ago. place. it's a very, very, very fewin fact, go. place. it's a very, very, very fewin fact, there have been 20, >> in fact, there have been 20, 21 a there's it's almost 21 a lot. there's it's almost three ago. three years ago. >> do you think that's acceptable? >> it's acceptable >> i don't think it's acceptable for leader of the for the deputy leader of the labour to saying labour party to be saying no. >> it's odd to say >> yeah. i think it's odd to say the absolute least and completely kelvin completely unacceptable. kelvin mackenzie, thoughts? mackenzie, your thoughts? >> of course it will >> you know, i of course it will be have, be your party that would have, would on that, on would have written on that, on that. think that's bold that. i think that's bold to assume. you think that's bold. >> you think. well it's a member of the labour party.

>> no. but certainly somebody who didn't care for the conservatives. who didn't care for the conservati�*part that group your, your part of that group aren't you. so think aren't you. so i do think that there is great dangers ahead of us terms of the tensions us in terms of the tensions within the country in relation to the financial position of the country, because if it's true , country, because if it's true, we are going to be poorer at the we've been poorer in this parliament. we're going to be even poorer in the next five years. i could see nothing but more tension and one of the issues that comes out of this kind of thing is that the police look, i don't know how many police would need tens police we would need tens of hundreds thousands , hundreds of thousands, i suspect, over london. suspect, but all over london. and the rest of the and i suspect the rest of the country. but i don't know as well. are people spraying stuff on buildings? right? nobody ever gets arrested as far as i know. and there is no urgency to do it. and if you take that new york mayor of , you know, york mayor of, you know, literally what now, 20, 25 years ago, he said the little things lead to the big things, i, i suspect that there will be more of that as the years go out and

i it's upsetting. angela rayner. right. actually, i think i hope she learned a lesson about that kind of stuff. i haven't noticed across that line before. and i suspect if she tried it again with starmer, she would literally lose her job. whatever job that is you're talking about. >> i'm sure it was giuliani when he was talking. you're talking about broken windows theory when he got he was talking about you've got to the small stuff. to get tough on the small stuff. and if clamp down and actually, if you clamp down at level crime, it at that level of crime, it actually escalate. you've actually will escalate. you've just me a nice segue, just given me a nice segue, actually, the actually, because one of the other stories that caught eye other stories that caught my eye was story in new york. don't was a story in new york. i don't know if ever been to new know if you've ever been to new york. course, the is york. of course, the subway is quite similar. some of the, undergrounds or metros or whatever country. whatever here in this country. well, they're going to well, now what they're going to do, they're they're going to put essentially call a essentially what they call a national police, national guard. so armed police, armed subways armed officers on those subways to and stop attacks and to try and stop attacks and violence. it made me look here, you've had a 75% rise in attacks on just here, just in london underground staff in 2023. you used to have this thing called the guardian angels, they used to kind of patrol,

the guardian angels, they used to kind of patrol , the to kind of patrol, the undergrounds in a variety of different countries. actually and we debated once before whether or not we should have a return to those . someone return to those. someone actually got in touch with me, a viewer, and said that there used to be a guardian angel and that they would never return back to that because they said in this day yeah, people day and age now, yeah, people would nice. yeah, you'd be, would be nice. yeah, you'd be, yeah, knifed. just yeah, you'd be knifed. it's just not your so no, not worth your while. so no, thank but this whole notion thank you. but this whole notion of having of actually having armed officers , whether it's on the officers, whether it's on the underground or the streets, underground or on the streets, and a step too far, and is that a step too far, well, i the trouble is , the well, i the trouble is, the london underground is a lot more sophisticated than than the new york subway, to be absolutely honest with you , they've hardly honest with you, they've hardly spent any money on it. there is a tension within the underground in new york, which we don't have over here, or i don't believe we have over here, but it is the preferred form of travel in london. and one of the troubles is there are tens of hundreds of thousands of people travelling on it. and i, there is a fear of

violence , i think, in our, in violence, i think, in our, in our, in our underground system , our, in our underground system, which actually in, in, in the new york one. yes. there was, there have been, as you pointed out, there have been three murders there in the last month. if there were three murders in the london underground, would the london underground, i would be got to be saying, yes, we've got to have thousands of have tens of thousands of officers . don't believe officers. i don't believe it's as i would not be in as bad. and i would not be in favour of it. and i do take your point. i like you. i used to live in, i used to live in new york and when that subway there, do you know what they did there? they used to pull petrol into where ticket collector was. where the ticket collector was. who'd be locked in, and then they'd throw match in there they'd throw a match in there and would literally burn and people would literally burn alive. people so that's what alive. so people so that's what you're that's what you're deaung you're that's what you're dealing with. there are aspects of new york city which are very, very dangerous . and in london, very dangerous. and in london, thank god for it is not as bad. >> andy, i have to apologise to my trade union colleagues because i have to say i agree with kelvin mackenzie, i don't think it's the same as new york.

i mean , if you go on the tube, i mean, if you go on the tube, you're at risk of maybe having your bag snatched or your phone snatched. you're not going to be generally violently generally seriously violently attacked. mean, this attacked. like, i mean, this week already been week there have already been three violent incidents last week, three last month . week, three murders last month. i mean, the numbers just aren't even remotely the same. i can't remember last anyone remember the last time anyone had violent incident had a serious violent incident on you know, the on the tube. you know, the stations. that's a different question. but on the tube itself , you know, the met police are already to their already stretched to their limit. think that limit. i don't think that we need be prioritising bringing need to be prioritising bringing in armed british transport police guards as well. >> violent incidents on >> on violent incidents on london underground. as i said, it rose 75. those will be it rose at 75. those will be tainted figures . they recorded tainted figures. they recorded 3542 incidents in the 12 months, up to october, the 31st, 909 sexual offences , excluding rape, sexual offences, excluding rape, were reported and so on and so forth. and i do think actually there's probably something, different if you're a man on the underground versus if you're a woman on the underground

because, you know, i wonder, do you are you female? do you use these undergrounds, whether in london whichever city, do you london or whichever city, do you feel them? there feel safe on them? because there are quite disturbing stories that you hear, i remember heanng that you hear, i remember hearing a story not that long ago about a woman, she was either raped, on a, like, a tube , overground train or whatever, or she was severely sexually assaulted , and it was kind of assaulted, and it was kind of within, like, normal daytime hours . it wasn't like some hours. it wasn't like some random hour o'clock. it was absolutely appalling. and those kind of things frighten women. and actually scare people off using them, whether or not they need to go to the extent of having armed officers and all the rest it. i think that is the rest of it. i think that is a most people a question that most people would that . the flip would say no to that. the flip side of that, though, andy, would be it would make people feel a sight safer, perhaps feel a damn sight safer, perhaps knowing those were knowing that those people were around about it. around and about it. >> yes. but i guess there obviously, if you have policemen with guns, it's obviously going to safer. but it's to make people safer. but it's also quite an intimidating thing, well, i think maybe if

you're a wrong'un, you need to be intimidating. well, not really. i mean , i'd like to really. i mean, i'd like to think not wrong'un, but if think i'm not a wrong'un, but if i know, five police i saw, you know, five police officers with, you machine officers with, you know, machine guns i'd guns lined up on the tube i'd feel no, no. feel quite intimidated. no, no. >> i don't with >> well, i don't agree with that, always enjoy that, andy. i always enjoy seeing police officers, either on the station platform at on the station at waterloo and i'd also, if i saw them on the tube, it would make me feel better, to be honest with you. but we have to accept we haven't as we have now learned from mr hunt, we're going be skint from now until going to be skint from now until eternity. we apply our eternity. we have to apply our capital in different ways. >> and howard makes good >> and howard makes a good point, because was just about point, because i was just about to airports. he's just point, because i was just about to i airports. he's just point, because i was just about to i arrivedrports. he's just point, because i was just about to i arrived into s. he's just point, because i was just about to i arrived into gatwickjst said i arrived into gatwick airport today. we were headed on the travellators between the terminals by armed police carrying quite heavy guns. i know exactly the kind of police that you're referring to, and i've to say, they do make i've got to say, they do make you actually, if you feel safe. actually, if you're on causing you're someone intent on causing harm and doing stuff you shouldn't be doing, whatever your motivations are, your intentions motivations are, your intentions motivations are, you are surely going to be

forced thinking twice at forced into thinking twice at you. if you see someone stood there with couple of those there with a couple of those things them. tell me things attached to them. tell me your on that views your thoughts on that gb views at com is how you get at gb news. com is how you get hold me i've got hold of me tonight. i've got a lot coming up. i also want to ask next about whether or ask you next about whether or not kids don't go schools, not if kids don't go to schools, what do about this? do we what do we do about this? do we send teachers or truancy officers to their house and find out what's going on? or in this day age, is that little day and age, is that a little bit step far ? nanny state bit step too far? nanny state gone thoughts i'll gone mad? your thoughts and i'll see

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with utils seven alongside me. kelvin mackenzie and andy macdonald remain. let's talk. what i would call swagging. i found it so odd, this whole truancy notion. i regard it as tagging, but whatever you call it, we've got a problem. now haven't we? with so many schools that kids that just that have got kids that just don't school for whatever don't go to school for whatever reason, this isn't new thing, reason, this isn't a new thing, but to certainly be

but it seems to certainly be getting well, what do you getting worse. well, what do you do then? there do about it then? there is a school. that's the school. now that's the headmaster. been in headmaster. there has been in trouble because he's basically been and sending been going around and sending teachers around to look at, well, where have these kids gone? the cars on the not gone? so are the cars on the not the kids but other parents the kids cars, but other parents cars. drive? are the bins cars. on the drive? are the bins empty, there heating on? is empty, is there heating on? is there coming out or there steam coming out or whatever? saying, there steam coming out or whatejust saying, there steam coming out or whatejust trying saying, there steam coming out or whatejust trying to saying, there steam coming out or whatejust trying to check saying, there steam coming out or whatejust trying to check say on, we're just trying to check up on the welfare. why are they the kids welfare. why are they not school? is that bit of not in school? is that a bit of a though? i mean, a backlash, though? i mean, nothing day nothing surprises me in this day and age, is that a backlash, and age, but is that a backlash, kelvin, people this kelvin, from people saying this is overstep the mark, this is snooping. kind of stick snooping. this is kind of stick control the control gone mad and all the rest of where are you, rest of it. where are you, right. well first of all, congratulations head congratulations to the head teacher. it's quite a big school. it's an academy. and and these these, by the way, this is parent led, so this is parent led because they say that their holidays are cheaper , right? so holidays are cheaper, right? so they they've got to the point they they've got to the point they get their phones out, right. and they change the number and it says number on it. and it says doctors surgery. right. and then they school the school

they call the school the school secretary and say tommy won't be in today . i'm secretary and say tommy won't be in today. i'm calling you from here to be signed off for seven days. actually the whole thing is a complete racket, right? yeah. what? >> so a parent changes. this is many. >> this is parent led because it's so much cheaper and they're prepared to take the fine and they're prepared to take the fine because the fine for not turning up to school is less than the amount that they would have to pay if they went on the houday have to pay if they went on the holiday during the during the school holidays. it's a total racket . and so it is parents who racket. and so it is parents who are fundamentally to blame on this particular case. and i admire the teacher. now what about this? now this is to your lot, andy. so the national education union, what do they say. they say, oh , this is say. they say, oh, this is inappropriate and it'll break down the relationship between teachers and pupils. come on. you don't believe that, do you? >> i think you know david scales. that's the head teacher's name. he needs to get a bit of a grip. you know, his school was rated inadequate last

yeah school was rated inadequate last year. know, only 2023. year. you know, only in 2023. and rated inadequate by and to get rated inadequate by ofsted, know, you've got to ofsted, you know, you've got to be something wrong, be doing something wrong, something be doing something wrong, sori'd hing be doing something wrong, sori'd probably say these kids so i'd probably say these kids are on holiday than are better off on holiday than they adequate they would be in an adequate academy. you know, it's just ridiculous. academy. you know, it's just ridiculoucrossed the line there >> he's crossed the line there sending off these. >> he's sending off these teachers. know, we've an teachers. you know, we've got an employment not enough teaching industry. not enough teachers. they're all leaving the . and he's sending the profession. and he's sending the profession. and he's sending the teachers he's got the few teachers that he's got in inadequate school to in an inadequate school to go and check the bins and, you know, boiler know, check if the boiler lights. so would you what lights. so what would you what would you do? >> andy? the you're the >> andy? you're the you're the head right? left head teacher, right? you've left your at tuc, and your job at the tuc, right? and you're head teacher. what you're the head teacher. what would you do? >> i would, probably ensure that my giving proper my teachers are giving proper lessons. the resources are. >> the reason they won't turn up is because the parents are taking their kids out of school to have cheaper holidays, right. these are a load of thick parents who are going to make their even thicker by their children even thicker by not up at school. not turning up at school. >> i don't think that >> i don't i don't think that there's a link between intelligence school intelligence and school attendance. i left attendance. you know, i left school and like school early and i'd like to well, left we both school early and i'd like to welischool left we both school early and i'd like to welischool quitet we both school early and i'd like to welischool quite early. oth school early and i'd like to welischool quite early. i:h school early and i'd like to welischool quite early. i left left school quite early. i left i 17 gcses and i got one, so

i had 17 gcses and i got one, so i had 17 gcses and i got one, so i think without stupid. i don't think without stupid. and we left school early. >> people, people be >> people, people will be watching this and they are. yeah. good. thanks. yeah. good. yeah. thanks. thanks for be people for that. there'll be people parents or grandparents or whatever programme whatever watching this programme and kids and they have taken their kids out school deliberately out of school deliberately because extortionate because the, the extortionate costs of the holidays within school they are not school holidays, they are not only eye—watering, they are unaffordable for so many families . so unaffordable for so many families. so then unaffordable for so many families . so then they sit there families. so then they sit there and they're not thick, they're completely opposite. they completely the opposite. they sit go, do you sit there and they go, do you know what? i'll basic know what? i'll do my basic maths here. my and maths here. if i take my kid and i i'm still i take the fine, i'm still saving absolute small saving an absolute small fortune. if i go fortune. king's ransom. if i go on this week, as opposed on holiday this week, as opposed to week. it makes to that week. but it makes perfect economics. >> supposed be being >> you're supposed to be being taught, is the taught, michelle. that is the that job. and it's the that is the job. and it's the job of the parents to. quite job of the parents to. i quite understand that there are problems relation to holiday problems in relation to holiday costs. they are not going to be. and by the way , 99.98 97% of the and by the way, 99.98 97% of the parents are doing the right thing, 2 or 3% are going like that to the going like that to the system. and you have to worry about supposing 100% said

that to the system. we much prefer , do you know what would prefer, do you know what would happen the holidays during tum time would be more expensive than they are during holiday times. >> you just put your finger somewhere shouldn't have somewhere you shouldn't have done. viewers in the done. to my viewers in the camera, because if you camera, no good, because if you did, i was to say did, i was going to say i apologise for that, but i'll let you off hook because you off the hook because apparently he's just saying he didn't go on. >> actually. didn't go on. >> covid actually. didn't go on. >> covid actdon't do that, >> covid if we don't do that, kelvin, apologise. it's like >> covid if we don't do that, kelvi|it's apologise. it's like >> covid if we don't do that, kelvi|it's like ogise. it's like >> covid if we don't do that, kelvi|it's like that, it's like >> covid if we don't do that, kelvi|it's like that, uncle,(e >> covid if we don't do that, kelvi|it's like that, uncle, you that. it's like that, uncle, you know, you've got every family's got uncle that you can't got that uncle that you can't let out in case they do let them out in case they do something. you're like that. anyway, something. you're like that. anyway by the way, i've only asking, by the way, i've only been for tonight. been allowed out for tonight. one of my viewers, susan, is asking kelvin, why ain't he got his tonight? asking kelvin, why ain't he got his enjoyed tonight? asking kelvin, why ain't he got his enjoyed lastnight? asking kelvin, why ain't he got his enjoyed lastnight’.he you've enjoyed that last time he had says had them on, helen says michelle, absolutely, fed up michelle, i'm absolutely, fed up of harassed by teachers of being harassed by teachers any my child is not in any time my child is not in because of genuine illness , because of a genuine illness, it's all going too far, she says. what do you make of it all? what about this all? what about also this obsession the only way that obsession that the only way that a learns is if it's sat on a kid learns is if it's sat on a desk in school being taught something a book? what something from a book? what about experience? don't about life experience? don't you learn on your

learn stuff when you go on your holidays? surely do. yeah. holidays? surely you do. yeah. >> right dear. >> right dear. >> got. he's got his head >> he's got. he's got his head in his hands now. >> now. well, >> i've heard it all now. well, do when we look where do you know when we look where we are in the global education league? yeah. this happening league? yeah. all this happening , is it's , all this happening is it's going about 100 miles going down about 100 miles an houn going down about 100 miles an hour. singapore take going down about 100 miles an hou complete gapore take going down about 100 miles an houcomplete opposite. take going down about 100 miles an hou complete opposite. andie going down about 100 miles an houcomplete opposite. and going the complete opposite. and going through the roof. exactly. we want brighter children. and that comes education comes through education and schooling to school schooling turning up to school is not is an obligation. >> singapore is going to. >> singapore is going to. >> we'll carry this conversation on. also want to you about on. i also want to ask you about banning as well. i'll banning e—scooters as well. i'll see

hi there. i'm michelle dewberry with you till 7:00 tonight. kelvin mackenzie and andy mcdonnell remain alongside me. i just want to carry on this conversation about truancy on absent children. what do we do about it, one of my viewers, yvonne, says back in the day, we used to have truancy officers with dark green 1100s. she assures me it's a type of car.

i've never heard of it, she says.i i've never heard of it, she says. i shudder even thinking back to that, sean, you say you used to be a truancy officer. perhaps we need to go back to those days, he points out that we've closed schools. we've gone back to zoom and all the rest of it . mike says all of this back to zoom and all the rest of it. mike says all of this is just a load of bureaucracy. the pupil is not in school. it's obvious. a simple call to the parents to the bottom parents will get to the bottom of all, you see, we're of it all, yeah. you see, we're having this argument about you're saying it's you're basically saying it's lazy parents taking kids out of school. i passionately disagree with that. i think it's people trying to save a small fortune on their holidays, but there's only notion that can only only notion that you can only learn in a classroom . learn sitting in a classroom. whom share that view? andy. >> it's ridiculous. you know, you sit in these schools, and i'm sure would agree that i'm sure kevin would agree that if were school, they'd if they were in school, they'd be indoctrinated by the woke teachers. are teachers. all the unions are going them. no, going to indoctrinate them. no, i mean, i don't agree with that part, that part, but i think that sitting in isn't only part, but i think that sitting in that isn't only part, but i think that sitting in that you isn't only part, but i think that sitting in that you can1't only part, but i think that sitting in that you can learn. only part, but i think that sitting in that you can learn. your way that you can learn. you know, there a range of

know, there are a range of holistic teaching techniques or even just going not be holistic teaching techniques or eistereotypeing not be holistic teaching techniques or eistereotypeing but not be holistic teaching techniques or eistereotypeing but going be holistic teaching techniques or eistereotypeing but going toe a stereotype here, but going to the of real you the university of real life, you know, going know, actually going out, working, work experience know, actually going out, wori seeing work experience know, actually going out, wori seeing what work experience know, actually going out, wori seeing what woriisexperience know, actually going out, wori seeing what woriis actuallye and seeing what life is actually about. i think that is the most valuable learn. about. i think that is the most valllable learn. about. i think that is the most val|i had learn. about. i think that is the most val|i had asked learn. about. i think that is the most val|i had asked one'n. about. i think that is the most val|i had asked one of my shows, >> i had asked one of my shows, if you didn't watch whitehaven last night. was was last night. i was asking, was there anyone that felt there anyone at all that felt better after since the last better off, after since the last general put general election and someone put their only their hand up, there was only one could find that was one person i could find that was happy, he explained me it happy, and he explained to me it was he was 14 at was because he was 14 at the time of the last general election, so he happy now election, so he was happy now because a young he's because he was a young lad. he's managed get work. so actually managed to get work. so actually that of actually that whole notion of actually getting getting real getting out there, getting real world experience, is very world experience, it is very beneficial. world experience, it is very bene michelle, all says michelle, with all the work, nonsense and indoctrination work, nonsense and indoctri|these days, quite schools these days, quite frankly, i think the less time kids school, the better. >> you're laughing at that, i called it, i called it, you know, can't win know, you can't. you can't win either they're off on either way. if they're off on holiday, if holiday, they're losing out. if they're school, they're they're in school, they're losing they're in school, they're losiyou can i just say that >> you know, can i just say that on the amount of the amount of life skills you learn lying life skills you will learn lying on torremolinos and on the beach in torremolinos and thinking april thinking in march or april is nil all the if we're going if we're going to have if we are

going to have a society which we want , in going to have a society which we want, in which going to have a society which we want , in which people going to have a society which we want, in which people are going to have a society which we want , in which people are the want, in which people are the clever people, there are more and more of them, rather than less and less of them, which looks a bit like it today is we need our kids to be educated. they have to do it within a school . right? and the idea that school. right? and the idea that we can do it in some other way, that we're going to move the entire the entire world to the south of france in order that they can they can they can learn what business looks like in nice or calais or something. it is absolutely ridiculous. >> that's that's you >> that's not that's not you know, you left school with what was one gcse you were was it, one gcse and you were the most editor of the most successful editor of the sun 17. >> yeah, exactly. >> yeah, exactly. >> but that doesn't equate going that qed that isn't a, that isn't a qed that isn't a, that isn't a qed that though you know, i mean that though the you know, i mean like having all gcses like having all these gcses doesn't you'll be doesn't mean that you'll be successful today , that for successful today, that for instance, anything did instance, anything that i did would be absolutely impossible. >> impossible. >> totally impossible. >> totally impossible. >> you you couldn't >> jenny, why you you couldn't possibly be the editor of a well of something successful. >> you couldn't run something successful unless you have a

natural entrepreneurial spirit. so i'm in favour of technical colleges coming back in massive numbers. and honestly, the tradesperson today is absolutely at the top of every tree, isn't it? top of plumbing, top of woodwork. sorry. carpentry. chippy >> and there's a snobbery towards those people because so many. >> not now, not now . there was >> not now, not now. there was a decade, 15 years, i would say there still is. >> i would say there still is. >> i would say there still is. >> definitely not want their children. all children. they're pushing all these to these children to go to university, this university, university this degree and all the rest of degree that and all the rest of it. and actually a lot of parents, if their child said to them, what, i want them, do you know what, i want to apprenticeship and to go do an apprenticeship and i want a sparky or whatever. want to be a sparky or whatever. i think it's a lot of the parents be oh, parents would be going, oh, no, son, a university city and son, go to a university city and you get x, y, and z. jenny you can get x, y, and z. jenny says, i used to be a teacher. michelle. need michelle. children need the discipline getting and discipline of getting up and going to school, she says life discipline of getting up and gc not to school, she says life discipline of getting up and gc not aboutool, she says life discipline of getting up and gc not about doing|e says life discipline of getting up and gc not about doing whatevera discipline of getting up and gc not about doing whatever you is not about doing whatever you feel doing. you feel like doing. well, there you go. ask you very go. let me quickly ask you very quickly the end the quickly before the end of the program. someone has very program. someone else has very sadly falling off the back sadly died falling off the back

of e—scooter. time to of an e—scooter. is it time to ban things completely or ban these things completely or not them from pavements? not ban them from the pavements? >> most difficult part of a >> the most difficult part of a scooter in london scooter for anybody in london right now is not when they're making their way down the middle of the road. if they want to kill themselves, that's fine, is that they come onto the pavements. it's an absolute nightmare. again , and nightmare. and once again, and this is a problem, right? it's is something that the police aren't doing anything about. perhaps police and perhaps we need more police and it's quite clear we haven't got the money to enable. >> these things not even >> these things are not even really so many places. really legal in so many places. i you can use in i think you can use them in certain rental and all the certain rental zones and all the rest of it, but you shouldn't really broadly really be just more broadly out and of the and about on all of the different streets. but anyway, where are you on it, andy? >> oh, i used a lime e—scooter to here today. in fact, i'm to get here today. in fact, i'm slightly biased. did indeed. slightly biased. i did indeed. i have say the lime ones, have to say the lime ones, they're fantastic. you know, you can't ban e—scooters. >> course are available. >> of course are available. look, go. flies, look, there you go. time flies, doesn't it? when you're getting stuck all got stuck in. that's all i've got time tonight, a very much time for tonight, a very much appreciated andy. thank you . appreciated it, andy. thank you. kelvin, for your kelvin, thank you for your insight started the insight too. we started off the program reflecting on the news about those dogs, didn't we? was

it , says michelle, it crufts, kitty, says michelle, i will put it simply, dogs over children any day of the week. she says. i can't quite work out whether or not you're talking pure sense there or not. i'll leave it to you guys at home to thrash that one out, that's all from me. but up next is farage. don't go anywhere but night don't go anywhere but good night from me . from me. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. who's . news. who's. >> good evening. here's your latest gb news. weather update brought to you by the met office. a few showers and a touch of frost for some of us tonight. then a mostly fine day tomorrow at the moment the uk is sandwiched between low sandwiched in between low pressure the bay of pressure around the bay of biscay and high pressure across scandinavia, leading to a strengthening southeasterly flow through the night. we are going to see a few showers, particularly across parts of

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i >> -- >> well, it's after the lord mayor's show. it's the fallout, of course, from the budget. can we trust what jeremy hunt actually said to us yesterday ? actually said to us yesterday? and as trump storms super tuesday, will biden fight back tonight with his state of the union speech? and joining me on talking pints? a man who was a stunningly good footballer but had a few demons to conquer , had a few demons to conquer, which indeed he did. paul merson, all of that of course. in a moment after the news with sam francis .

sam francis. >> nigel, thank you very much. good evening from the newsroom , good evening from the newsroom, 7:00 and we start with the top story of the day. latest developments in the budget fallout and the government ministers are now challenging labour to set out its own funding plans , after the funding plans, after the opposition party backed the government's to cut government's decision to cut national insurance. the non—dom tax status will be scrapped, with the aim of raising revenue to make up for the 2% cut. figures suggest any benefits , figures suggest any benefits, though, for the taxpayer, are likely to be cancelled out by an expected rise in council tax. however, jeremy hunt told gb news earlier that his budget is proof that the government's fiscal plan is working. >> we want to end the unfairness . the direction of travel we've goneis . the direction of travel we've gone is to reduce national insurance by one third. the fact that labour are opposing this today is really because labour don't have any plans to reduce taxation. it sort of makes my

point for