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news headlines. >> good afternoon. it's 3:00. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story this houn newsroom. your top story this hour. the princess of wales has thanked the public for their support as the first photo of the royal was published after her abdominal surgery. the image, posted on social media to mark mother's day, was taken by the prince of wales in windsor earlier this week. sitting down, princess catherine is surrounded by her children prince george, princess charlotte and prince louis. she was admitted to hospital on january 16th and left two weeks later following planned operation. she's expected to return to her royal dufies expected to return to her royal duties after easter , and police duties after easter, and police say an incident at buckingham palace is not being treated as terror related. armed officers detained a man in the early hours of yesterday morning after a car crashed into the gates. he was arrested on suspicion of criminal damage and has since been sectioned under the mental

health act. police say he's been released on bail and enquiries continue . in other royal news, continue. in other royal news, princess diana's brother charles spencer says he was sexually abused from the age of ii at boarding school. in an extract from his memoir published in the mail on sunday. earl spencer says he was targeted by a female member of staff at made maidwell hall in northamptonshire, leaving him with lifelong demons. in a statement, the school said it's difficult to read about practices which were sadly sometimes believed to be normal and acceptable at that time. pro—palestinian protesters are being warned they could be lending credence to extremists . lending credence to extremists. the community secretary is urging people to question which groups are organising the marches. michael gove, who is due to publish a new official definition of extremism, told the sunday telegraph there's no excuse for ignorance and good hearted demonstrators need to be aware they risk fuelling hate and intimidation. a us military ship carrying equipment to build

a temporary pier off the coast of gaza is on its way to the middle east. us central command confirmed the vessel, general frank espersen, set sail from virginia. it's after president biden confirmed the us would build a floating harbour to help get more aid to gaza by sea, saying deliveries by land and air were proving difficult and dangerous. the un has warned that famine in the strip is almost inevitable and children there are starving to death . a there are starving to death. a number of bodies have been removed from a funeral director in yorkshire as part of a police investigation. cordons remain in place at three branches of legacy independent funeral directors . it's after humberside directors. it's after humberside police received reports of concern for care of the deceased. the bodies have been taken to the local authority mortuary in hull, while they try to establish whether any criminal offences have been committed . police have set up committed. police have set up a direct line for anyone who might be affected , and a group of be affected, and a group of mothers are staging a hunger

strike outside parliament. the five day protest aims to draw attention to parents who can't afford to eat and are skipping meals to feed their children. their list of demands include enforcing free school meals and universal credit to guarantee life's essentials. mps are due to address the issue on tuesday , to address the issue on tuesday, and cars that don't comply with london's ulez rules can now be donated to ukraine under the scrappage scheme . mayor sadiq scrappage scheme. mayor sadiq khan says from next week, drivers who give up their vehicles will be able to apply for grants of up to £2,000. kyivs mayor vitali klitschko, reportedly suggested the idea of exporting the cars in a letter to his counterpart. a charity will facilitate the move. the donated vehicles will be used to support humanitarian and medical needs. there and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. carmelites. now let's return to .

nana. >> good afternoon. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and it's just coming up to five minutes after 3:00. two tier policing. excuse me . two tier policing. excuse me. two tier policing. excuse me. two tier policing is empowering islamists . michael gove has pointed out something that has been clear to me and many jewish people from the beginning of the pro—palestinian protests. some of these marches have been organised by extremists, so don't march alongside extremists. most reasonable people, irrespective of the faith they have or they follow, do not wish to see mass death and war. but the same cannot be said about the terrorist organisation hamas, who are clearly extremists and have gone out of their way to let us know that they will attempt to repeat october the 7th. they have yet to release the remaining hostages , continuing to fire hostages, continuing to fire missiles at israel, who wisely

invested in protecting its people with an iron dome rather than a string of tunnels designed to store missiles. so when an individual joins a so—called peaceful, pro—palestine protest and points out that hamas are terrorists , out that hamas are terrorists, which we all know to be true, there really shouldn't be a problem. but look what happened. the police pulled this protester who said about the terrorists that they're terrorists pulled him to the ground. the banner was ripped from his hand and he was ripped from his hand and he was on the floor. why arrest someone who is peacefully pointing out the obvious hamas is terrorists, people, the police said we have arrested after an altercation was ongoing and officers intervened to prevent a breach of the peace. he was arrested for assault , but he was arrested for assault, but that feels a bit flaky to me. see for yourself what happened .

see for yourself what happened. yes . when you get mixed yes. when you get mixed. now, he was arrested after police reviewed footage of the altercation. and this is what he had to say. >> he told me as its danger for your life and for the people when they see maybe attacked you. >> and what did you sign? >> and what did you sign? >> say exactly how much this terrorist. this is a. yeah. >> no, that was the sign. police. >> and that's what your sign said. >> i told to police they attacked me and i want to complain . he said, go to complain. he said, go to a police station near your home. >> so for those going on these marches, it's not good enough saying that you are on a march that you are well aware has extreme elements, but that bit

has nothing to do with you just because your intentions are good. if you join a protest that has sinister undertones which you ignore, then you are part of the problem. you can't expect the problem. you can't expect the police to believe that you are of the good guys . dame are one of the good guys. dame sarah government sarah carter, uk government adviser cohesion , adviser on social cohesion, described attempts to portray protesters pro—palestine protesters on pro—palestine marches as extremist, as outrageous and dangerous . she outrageous and dangerous. she said what i've been really uncomfortable with over the last couple of weeks is the kind of argument that they're all islamist extremists on these demonstrations. i think that's actually outrageous. some are not even pro—palestinian people, but just anti—war , for there are but just anti—war, for there are clearly jewish people there. there's a whole range of people there. and to try to frame these demonstrations as islamist extremism is completely far fetched and untrue. what are these marches are as safe as people say they are. why are all the jewish people i know afraid to go out in the uk and in

particular london when they're happening? and with robin simcox calling them no go zones and something paul scully could easily have used in his defence. isn't it time the police targeted the right people? instead of deploying a two tier policing structure that appears to hate ? see, i always to enable hate? see, i always like to have a bit of a rant, right? but before we get stuck into the debates over the next houn into the debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my panel the clash gb panel who are in the clash gb news senior political commentator nelson, and commentator nigel nelson, and also deputy to ben also reform uk deputy to ben habib. right. here's what else is coming up . were the police is coming up. were the police right to arrest the protester after a man held a hamas, after a man who held a hamas, our terrorist or his terrorist sign arrested after sign was arrested after a scuffle with the police right to crack down on him, do we need to be more stringent? and then we'll discussing whether we'll be discussing whether we need stringent our need to be more stringent in our support mps are support for israel. tory mps are cracking down on lord cameron's alleged stance . alleged pro—palestine stance. does the uk need to step up its support for israel , and then do

support for israel, and then do we need to put the brakes on net zero? who's the chief executive of the climate change committee , of the climate change committee, urged his staff to kill a negative story . do we need to be negative story. do we need to be more sceptical about these climate targets ? and should the climate targets? and should the tory party bring back boris ? tory party bring back boris? many say that he's the only man who can stop stalinism. but could him and rishi ever work together again and we'll bring you the latest royal news. as the princess of wales is seen in a new photo with all her children and a car crashes into buckingham palace. we'll be analysing all the latest royal updates up in this updates that's coming up in this houn updates that's coming up in this hour. tell me what you think. as ever on everything we're discussing. gb gb discussing. email gb views at gb news. or me at . gb news. >> we're done. let's go. >> we're done. let's go. >> right. so it's time for the clash now, gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson and also reform uk deputy leader ben habib will be going head to head. so i was talking

about this whole pro—palestine business. i'm going to come to you, ben habib. i haven't seen you, ben habib. i haven't seen you for a while. what do you make of would police make of this? would the police right should they right to arrest him? should they have different? have done something different? >> on to that, can >> before i come on to that, can i just a shout out to the guy who all of that? i just a shout out to the guy wh(he's all of that? i just a shout out to the guy wh(he's known of that? i just a shout out to the guy wh(he's known to that? i just a shout out to the guy wh(he's known to me,? i just a shout out to the guy wh(he's known to me, and i >> he's known to me, and he. i haven't got permission to haven't got his permission to mention but he's been mention his name, but he's been at every single at just about every single pro—palestinian , anti pro—palestinian march, anti israeli marches. i call them, andifs israeli marches. i call them, and it's really brave to go in amongst those people to and film it the way he does. and he was right there capturing, capturing that footage. but of course, you know, footage tells you know, that footage tells you everything you need to know about the marches, because this gentleman was holding up. he's i think he's an iranian dissident, and he was holding up a perfectly legitimate sign that hamas are terrorists, which they are. they also advocate for the wiping out of israel. that's their policy. they advocate for a caliphate right across saudi arabia, getting rid of all other religions, and he cannot be

faulted for doing what he did. funnily enough , i'm glad the funnily enough, i'm glad the police took him out of the trouble he was in because it was kicking off, as you can see, and probably the police ended up protecting him. but you're quite right. there's two tier policing going on. partly, i think, because police are cowered because the police are cowered into fear by the numbers of people coming out with the, you know, clear vitriol and hatred being spewed by some of them. but also because the police are trained into this behaviour by we've had this discussion before, by the regulatory requirement for diversity, equality and inclusion and the police are being told repeatedly that actually you've got to support progressive discrimination, you've got to protect ethnic minorities over and above and if necessary, to the detriment of the majority. and you see that playing out on the streets of london, they'll tackle white people with no hesitation , but they will not hesitation, but they will not tackle these ethnic minorities,

so—called ethnic minorities, which are increasing in number quite well. >> but in their defence, i mean, i get why they removed him , as i get why they removed him, as you said, from the thing, but i don't general, you said, from the thing, but i don't general , that is don't think in general, that is the rule, which is why i think this is more disturbing . so this is more disturbing. so i don't think in general the police normally allow , but police would normally allow, but i think they are so outnumbered that why we've got problem. >> it's out of control and the problem can't , you know, some problem can't, you know, some people are advocating for the shutting protests. shutting down of protests. i think do to control think we do need to control these protests there are these protests because there are too but you don't too many of them. but you don't stop the strong of stop this by the strong arm of the law. where we've gone wrong is in government policy having far too much multicultural immigration. this, this policy of diversity, equality and inclusion and no policy towards integration. we've made no effort for the diversity of cultures and thought that have entered the united kingdom to meld into a socially settled state. what we've done is promote silos operating independently , and that's so independently, and that's so damaging for the fabric of this country. >> nigel nelson well, first of

all, this guy was arrested. >> according to the police, for assault, had he been arrested for the sign on, i think that the police were doing the right job. and the reason being is that clearly what he was doing was being provocative on that demonstration. no no. >> hold on. these are supposed to be peaceful marches. they they are pitching these as peaceful marches. where you there? saying hamas is there? why is saying hamas is terrorists being provocative apart from the grammar? well, yes. >> apart from the grammar, it's also i mean, says, also i mean, as ben says, perfectly legal to actually put up a sign like that. they are allowed scribed terrorist organisation in this country. >> because >> it's provocative because there's a lot of people where emotions are running high, and the last thing the police want is for the whole thing to kick off and get out of hand. so this was a kind of practical policing. it's rather like, the contentious from the river to the sea. it depends on the context and interpretation, whether that is an anti—semitic. >> well, give me an example.

when it isn't, because that's what. >> well, it isn't probably on march. >> i mean, so you think on a march people chanting from the river to the sea in a march where they've literally. i'm watching the footage now this watching the footage now of this guy having the banner ripped from by the police, but guy having the banner ripped fro the by the police, but guy having the banner ripped fro the protesters the police, but guy having the banner ripped fro the protesters .he police, but guy having the banner ripped fro the protesters . so police, but guy having the banner ripped fro the protesters . so it's:e, but guy having the banner ripped fro the protesters . so it's not)ut by the protesters. so it's not really aggravating. he's really him aggravating. he's going it's a peaceful going in and it's a peaceful supposed march, right? you're saying the river to saying that from the river to the sea would be a peaceful thing? >> to be honest, what i'm saying is that something like that, that it can be anti that that yes, it can be anti anti—semitic. it is not necessarily so . so for instance, necessarily so. so for instance, if you were chanting it outside a jewish school or a synagogue, that would be an anti—semitic act and the police would act. if you're doing it, doing it on a march, then it's not. which is why the police don't act. >> it is like, no, you're wrong there, nigel. it is being seen as anti—semitic. >> it's being seen as. >> it's being seen as. >> but it is anti—semitic. but the question is which people won't go in. >> you look at the words, >> when you look at the words, if look at the words, if you look at the words, there's nothing directly anti—semitic words. >> but it's meaning the words.

>> what do you take it to mean? >> what do you take it to mean? >> but not the >> well, but that's not the creation israel . creation of israel. >> well, some people take it as creation of israel. >> “but some people take it as creation of israel. >> “but what people take it as creation of israel. >> “but what ifeople take it as creation of israel. >> “but what if youe take it as creation of israel. >> “but what if you tooka it as creation of israel. >> “but what if you tooka iaas that. but what if you took it a different way? when talked different way? when i've talked to palestinian palestinian politician on the west bank, they would argue that it's not about they recognised the state of israel back in 1988. so what they would argue is that those words mean how do you connect gaza on one side of the country and the west bank on the other? should you should you get a free palestinian state? but you've just that's the river to the sea, the river, the mediterranean, the river, the dodi, the palestinian people that you've asked. >> yes, that means but the song isn't targeted to them, though the song is being targeted to the song is being targeted to the jewish people. >> that's why i call them anti—israeli marches . these are anti—israeli marches. these are not marches. not pro—palestinian marches. these are anti—israeli marches. we need to get the nomenclature right. what advocating right. what they're advocating is the removal of a of just about any democratic state in the middle east. and we may have a debate.

>> hamas is but the but the palestinian authority, the palestinian authority, the palestinian liberation liberation organisation effectively who in fact were the ones to invent that slogan back in the 1960s. they are not about about to get rid of the jewish state. it is not their policy to do so . it may be state. it is not their policy to do so. it may be hamas's state. it is not their policy to do so . it may be hamas's policy, do so. it may be hamas's policy, but it's not theirs. >> but but it's mutually exclusive. you can't advocate for for connecting sea to for a for connecting the sea to the river jordan in a the riverjordan in a palestinian state without similar taneously advocating for the erasure of israel. they come together. >> there are ways of doing it. and that would be, if ever a peace process gets off the ground, that is one of the negotiations that would on. negotiations that would go on. one ideas put forward, one of the ideas put forward, there some kind of corridor there is some kind of corridor that take from that would take you from the west bank to the seaport in gaza. >> but can i just say we're getting distracted, doesn't get rid of we're getting distracted because and i've seen it repeatedly happen. the real issue here is that what streets of the united kingdom are no longer safe, because multiculturalism isn't working. that silos of culture are

actually holding the united kingdom in antipathy. and these marches, people talk a lot about how jewish people aren't feeling safe. let me tell you, i don't feel safe . feel safe. >> i don't feel safe near these marches. listen, i actually think that they're slightly indefensible. happened think that they're slightly indefeis;ible. happened think that they're slightly indefeis indefensible happened think that they're slightly indefeis indefensible . happened there is indefensible. >> the marches are intercepted. >> the marches are intercepted. >> i think a lot of the marches of what's going on the of what's going on in the marches and people are going marches and people who are going peacefully and attaching themselves to this, as michael gove pointed lot of gove has pointed out, a lot of them have actually been organised by some islamist organisation . so this is the organisation. so this is the point. so you might think, just like you are justifying from the river to the sea, i think river to the sea, which i think is actually indefensible , it's is actually indefensible, it's unjustifiable, especially the unjustifiable, especially in the context this , context of a march like this, people will try and excuse their participation in a march that potentially has been organised by, you know , by terror groups. by, you know, by terror groups. so i, you know, i think we need to get real here. these marches are not peaceful because the people that they are mostly peaceful. well, they're not, are they not for the jewish people riot. i mean, they're the only racist the only

racist yesterday. the only reason . well, maybe because reason. well, maybe because they couldn't they couldn't have asked more. they haven't the haven't got any room in the cells. the reason why cells. but the only reason why these peaceful is because cells. but the only reason why therjewish)eaceful is because cells. but the only reason why therjewish people. is because cells. but the only reason why therjewish people are 3ecause cells. but the only reason why therjewish people are staying the jewish people are staying away. who have away. and people who are have an alternative are alternative point of view are being moved out of the target zone. that's the only zone. i think that's the only reason why. and saw it in reason why. and you saw it in that it becomes a no that it becomes it becomes a no go zone. >> it's no go zone. it's a no >> it's a no go zone. it's a no go— >> it's a no go zone. it's a no go zone. >> i ain't going there. you must be joking. think i'm be joking. if you think i'm going way, i will going to head that way, i will not there. will you be not be going there. will you be going there? >> wouldn't on. goingthere? >> wouldn't on. mean, going there? >> been.dn't on. mean, going there? >> been.dn'demonstrations, i've been on demonstrations to cover how cover them and i know how dangerous can be because dangerous they can be because they riot. they can turn into a riot. no, i wouldn't there. wouldn't go there. >> go on any march? >> would you go on any march? >> would you go on any march? >> i've never marched at all >> no, i've never marched at all in life. but i have covered >> no, i've never marched at all in ofe. but i have covered >> no, i've never marched at all in of them. have covered >> no, i've never marched at all in of them. you e covered >> no, i've never marched at all in of them. you lazylered so—and—so. >> yeah. keep a step count up, would yes, but . would you? yes, but. >> but i have covered many of them journalist. and i them as a journalist. and what i do about them is that do know about them is that they are tinderboxes. they can explode at a moment's notice, a bit like a pub brawl. >> exactly. and doesn't help >> exactly. and it doesn't help when people chanting when you've got people chanting from to sea from the river to the sea and people are calling people who are calling hamas terrorists, which they are being attacked is attacked by the crowd, which is what i saw when i looked at that. but what did you see? gb

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? good 7 good afternoon. if you've just tuned in. welcome on board. it's the clash . i'm nana akua. this the clash. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. now, conservative mps have accused david cameron of sniping at israel over its handung of sniping at israel over its handling of the situation in

gaza, and have claimed that the foreign office shows anti—israel sentiment. a group of tory mps are set to raise concerns with the foreign secretary at the meeting on tuesday , and david meeting on tuesday, and david cameron has said that he was deeply concerned about the prospect of a military offensive in israel's in rafah and that israel's performance in making aid available would have consequences the uk's consequences for the uk's assessment about whether israel is compliant with international law . so do we need to be more law. so do we need to be more stringent our support of stringent in our support of israel ? joining me now are israel? joining me now are getting clashing head to head gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson, and also reform uk's deputy leader, ben habib. right. i'll start with you, nigel nelson. >> i think david cameron is right. you do . the position of right. you do. the position of the british government at the moment ceasefire there. moment is for a ceasefire there. the words are slightly different depending on the party. the government calls it a humanitarian pause, but broadly we and the americans are on the same page. there needs to be a ceasefire. aid needs to get into gaza and the hostages need to be released. now none of that that

is actually withdrawing any kind of support from israel that the government has made very clear. rightly so. israel has a right to defend itself . if israel has to defend itself. if israel has a right to exist. we all believe those things. but it's long standing policy again, both by the americans and the british for a two state solution. so what david cameron is saying is don't go and invade rafah , that don't go and invade rafah, that the israelis told people that the israelis told people that the to go south. rafah is the southernmost city in gaza. it was meant to be a safe, safe space. it's not any longer. >> well, that's because a mass have gone into it, haven't they? a mass are living in rafah. >> that's that's israeli >> that's the that's the israeli argument. they but argument. well, they are, but but have this where but these people have this where the fired the missiles are being fired from these people have nowhere else were, if else to go. so if there were, if there was to be an invasion, well, perhaps could the well, perhaps he could ask the focus on hamas stopping the firing and getting hamas. >> i'm not defending hamas ambassador for one second, but we want to hear i mean , a lot of

we want to hear i mean, a lot of if i speak to some of the jewish people, want david people, they want to hear david cameron, to cameron, if he's going to be speaking, release speaking, saying, release the hostages. number also hostages. number one, and also stop missiles, stop firing the missiles, because firing , because if hamas stop firing, that goes along this would end. >> fl- end. >> would that's part @ would that's part a >> that would that's part of a ceasefire. obviously ceasefire. and obviously both sides actually the sides have to actually call the ceasefire and respect it. >> but it feels like there's too much focus on israel to stop firing. do you think? yeah. >> so, but before i answer the question, can i make question, can i just make a distinction between what were distinction between what we were discussing, what's discussing, which is what's happening kingdom, happening in the united kingdom, which i'm which has gone completely wrong what we completely wrong with what we are is our are now discussing, which is our foreign policy in the middle east. think it's east. and i think it's incredibly of david cameron incredibly rich of david cameron to you know, calling israel to be, you know, calling israel out when david cameron single handedly set the middle east ablaze in 2011, along with, well, i say single handedly, barack obama and him acted in concert to turn libya into a failed state. they very nearly turned egypt into a failed state. they turned syria into a failed state. they nearly destabilised saudi and whatever we think about saudi, we need that relationship with saudi

arabia to be strong. and they very nearly did the same in bahrain and the united arab emirates. had no right emirates. cameron had no right to promote the arab spring for cameron now to be stirring up trouble in the middle east is beyond redemption. but where the british government is really getting it wrong is that they are not looking at the real conflict, the real conflict here in geopolitical terms, is not between israel and gaza and the palestinians. between israel and gaza and the palestinians . the between israel and gaza and the palestinians. the real between israel and gaza and the palestinians . the real conflict palestinians. the real conflict is between the west and saudi on one hand, and iran and russia on the other. and what where we should be really helping , should be really helping, shutting down this violence, shutting down this violence, shutting down this wall, is by tackling the qataris, who are acting as a funnel for money into hamas. >> yeah, but you're but we're broadly broadening it. >> but if we really if we really want to stop this war and we want to stop this war and we want hamas brought to its knees , want hamas brought to its knees, you've got to stop the flow of money and you've got to stop the

flow of arms. >> and but david cameron really is powerless do that. so this is powerless to do that. so this is powerless to do that. so this is why we clearly we've got kataris all over london. >> we've got qatari investments in london. we can bring a lot of money. that's the problem. well, that may be the problem, but we've got be honest about we've got to be honest about what is. we've got what the problem is. we've got to face it. >> the reason iran that's further road there further down down the road there is it's right now. is no, no, it's right now. >> right now. we've got to >> it's right now. we've got to cut money hamas. cut off money to hamas. >> need ceasefire to >> we need a ceasefire to actually into gaza. actually get the aid into gaza. >> why do you need a ceasefire to i'm curious as to to stop? i'm just curious as to why be the order. if why that should be the order. if you get in and if you you can get in there and if you really serious about it, and really are serious about it, and you restrict something , then you can restrict something, then why? why do you need to force them ceasefire? the them to ceasefire? the only people firing are people that will stop firing are the israelis, because can't the israelis, because you can't get otherwise. get the aid in otherwise. >> there, american. >> because won't >> that's because hamas won't stop stop stop firing the rockets, stop firing there, isn't it? >> we're talking about the war. we're bringing we're talking about bringing hamas its and how do hamas to its knees. and how do you war? the way you stop the war? the only way the israelis are going to back off hamas neutered. the off is if hamas is neutered. the only way to neuter hamas in any form sort of humanitarian way

form of sort of humanitarian way is to stop its flow of arms, stop its flow of money, and that is via qatar, and that is from iran. and i wrote an article at the beginning of this, this war saying that we've got to recognise the true causes of what's going on. >> i take your point about qatar and iran , but just taking iran, and iran, but just taking iran, what do expect to what do you expect us to actually about that now? actually do about that now? well, we've got sanctions against iran, but disaster is happening . happening. >> we've to have sanctions >> we've got to have sanctions against got to against qatar. we've got to we've to up our game. we've got to up our game. >> thinking iran. iran >> i'm thinking about iran. iran is a bigger player in is obviously a bigger player in the but the money's is obviously a bigger player in the throught the money's is obviously a bigger player in the through qatar.roney's is obviously a bigger player in the through qatar. yes,('s is obviously a bigger player in the through qatar. yes, but going through qatar. yes, but but iran, iran is behind the whole what do you whole thing. what do you suggesting we do about iran? >> well, in short, we've already got sanctions against iran. >> yes we have, yes. and we've got take task the houthis got to take to task the houthis and the other , mechanisms by and all the other, mechanisms by which iran brings instability to the middle east and a key component of that is tackling qatar. and unless the british government wakes up . government wakes up. >> i've got i've got your point about getting the middle man.

what? what i'm asking you what? i'm what i'm asking you is, how you we can is, how do you think we can tackle iran in the short terme, the short terme being to try and stop the disaster that's unfolding in gaza? >> well that's you cut off >> yeah. well that's you cut off the flow of money through qatar. the money's coming through qatar . coming from. . that's where it's coming from. that's getting that's how hamas are getting their the their money. this is the obviously clearly, if you stop the cash that the flow of cash that is supplying people for the, supplying these people for the, you these rockets , you know, firing these rockets, then once the rockets stop firing from hamas. >> and i think is the end. >> and i think that is the end. the is over, the war's over. the war is over, the war's over. so understand why so i don't quite understand why everyone's sort of saying israel, down arms. israel, put down your arms. yes, israel would love to put their arms, both them. arms, but it is both of them. >> it is both. i'm talking >> it is both. no, i'm talking about single handed , but i'm about a single handed, but i'm saying one is willing saying one one is willing to stop the not. well stop and the other is not. well who's willing stop? who's willing to stop? >> israelis are >> i think the israelis are willing to stop. >> there's sign that. they >> there's no sign of that. they keep pulling of the negotiation. >> that's probably because >> well, that's probably because there's are hostages? >> where are the hostages? they're hostages, they're asking for the hostages, aren't well, are, aren't they? well, they are, that's why they're out that's why they're pulling out of the moment. >> but feel get from, moment. >> aviv feel get from, moment. >> aviv that get from, moment. >> aviv that want'om, moment. >> aviv that want t0|, tel aviv is that they want to win the war, which is fair enough. they want to destroy hamas. fair enough. we're all on

side for that. and as a result of that , they're reluctant to of that, they're reluctant to let while they're let up while they're while they're that. in the they're doing that. in the meantime, women and children are being killed. >> you're slightly misrepresenting the women misrepresenting it. the women and being killed, and children are being killed, and children are being killed, and it's awful. and it's a war and it's awful. but they need to stop but they both need to stop firing but the firing the rockets. but the people that won't stop appear to be, in my view, hamas. that's all i see. >> i and i think israel's >> and i and i think israel's not clever , but israel not boxing clever, but israel needs to redefine what its war aim needs to draw aim is, and it needs to draw america and the uk into cutting hamas off at the knees. >> well, well, that would be great if we could all cut hamas off the knees. this would be off at the knees. this would be oven off at the knees. this would be over, wouldn't i think over, wouldn't it? so i think the that david the point here is that david cameron be focusing the point here is that david camero on be focusing the point here is that david camero on israel be focusing the point here is that david camero on israel instead)cusing the point here is that david camero on israel instead of sing heavily on israel instead of actually, go actually, i think he could go a bit deal with the bit deeper and deal with the conflict this conflict differently. but this is tv, online on is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. bringing digital radio. would bringing bofis boris back save the tories? here's latest here's your latest news headunes. headlines. >> thanks nana 332 i'm ray anderson in the gb newsroom. our

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whatever, one year's worth of wind work many wind wind to work out how many wind turbines and much we need. turbines and how much we need. instead a long years turbines and how much we need. inst

to allow us to keep that which is legitimately which we is legitimately ours, which we earned. but they can spend 1.4 trillion on net zero, or they can spend £5 billion supporting ukraine russia . ukraine against russia. >> 2050 is the wrong point 8 billion in dubai when he went to nigel nelson. >> yeah. if 2050 is the wrong date what's right date. date what's the right date. >> exactly . >> well exactly. >> well exactly. >> good question, good question. >> good question, good question. >> point. >> but that's the point. >> but that's the point. >> they've plucked it >> well they've just plucked it from haven't they. 2050. from the air haven't they. 2050. >> well whole and they came >> well the whole and they came to with just year's worth to 2050 with just a year's worth of out wind. yeah. of working out wind. yeah. >> because after that point if the planet, the planet heats up to, that's not the point though. >> the point i'm making is that the reason why people are annoyed and why he tried to kill the story, was because he'd only used worth of to used a year's worth of data to work much need in work out how much we need in terms of wind power, and that's not enough. when not good enough. and then when it emerged tried kill the story. >> yeah, i think so. >> yeah, i think so. >> else have they wrong? >> that's a think that >> well, that's a i think that we park that one because the question to be whether or question seemed to be whether or not the brakes not we're putting the brakes on net zero. >> em- em— e i'm asking that is >> the reason i'm asking that is because if a lot of this is

based on really just not really good science, then is it time to stop it? >> well , the argument is we are >> well, the argument is we are stopping it. i mean, we are putting really , but putting the brakes really, but we're putting the brakes really, but we'we're not. things like >> we're not. it is things like it's it's the, the 28 it's the it's the, the 28 billion that keir starmer is abandoned . abandoned. >> i regret that i think that was a that was a mistake. >> what should he have >> well, what should he have done think. done do you think. >> i he should have >> well i think he should have carried it. he always carried on with it. he always had out he couldn't had a let out if he couldn't afford abandon it afford it. but to abandon it means that some of the plans which have been, doubling which would have been, doubling onshore solar, onshore wind, tripling solar, quadrupling offshore wind , that quadrupling offshore wind, that could that could have, cut our energy bills by £1,500 a year. >> you could when would it cut the bills? >> do you know when it was actually working? once you've actually working? once you've actually got to the stage where you have tripled, quadrupled ? >> well 7 >> well that's a ? >> well that's a long 7 >> well that's a long time. that's not going to happen. >> would happen within the >> that would happen within the within of a within the lifetime of a government. the that within the lifetime of a governnplan. the that within the lifetime of a governnplan. yeah. the that within the lifetime of a governnplan. yeah. hethe that within the lifetime of a governnplan. yeah. he was hat was the plan. yeah. he was talking about getting talking talking about getting this originally by 2030. this done, originally by 2030. >> and this is the 28 billion

that the markets ran away worried that it would destabilise yes. worried that it would desand ise yes. worried that it would desand that's yes. worried that it would desand that's been yes. worried that it would desand that's been abandoned , >> and that's been abandoned, which i regret. tory which i regret. the tory government have put back for five years the ban on petrol and diesel cars and the boiler tax, which was designed to try and get us to have heat pumps, that's been been got rid of too, or it seems to be getting, getting rid of. >> it's not a boiler tax, it's a boiler penalty that they, they, they, they penalise the manufacturers of boilers. if they sell a certain number they don't sell a certain number of heat exchangers. >> i appreciate it's not exactly of heat exchangers. >.tax,|ppreciate it's not exactly of heat exchangers. >.tax, butzciate it's not exactly of heat exchangers. >.tax, but it ate it's not exactly of heat exchangers. >.tax, but it talks s not exactly of heat exchangers. >.tax, but it talks liket exactly of heat exchangers. >.tax, but it talks like aaxactly of heat exchangers. >.tax, but it talks like a tax. :ly a tax, but it talks like a tax. it walks like a tax. >> and and that's the net economy. >> like a tax. >> like a tax. >> yes. yeah we'd all agree with that. and move on to boris that. and we'll move on to boris johnson because look boris johnson because look boris johnson there's of johnson there's sort of murmurings may be murmurings that he may be returning. they've been swirling around, mps want to oust rishi sunak and potentially some of them to bring back boris. what have they got to lose? they've pretty messed everything pretty much messed up everything . many believe is the . many believe that boris is the only can save the tory . many believe that boris is the only from can save the tory . many believe that boris is the only from starmersave the tory . many believe that boris is the only from starmer ism,the tory . many believe that boris is the only from starmer ism, andtory . many believe that boris is the only from starmer ism, and his party from starmer ism, and his campaigning badly

campaigning ability is badly needed, given the conservatives dire position in the polls. i thought they were mad to get rid of him. and all of this comes as it was in the sunday it was revealed in the sunday times johnson flew times that johnson flew to venezuela meetings venezuela for secret meetings with nicolas with the nicolas with nicolas maduro. thing as maduro. not so secret thing as we about it. all of we all know about it. all of this about uk recognising this about the uk recognising his . so what do you his regime. so what do you think? is it perhaps something that party do? that the tory party could do? should bring boris? should they bring back boris? i'm ask you. who did i i'm going to ask you. who did i go to? dawson? nothing, go to? nigel dawson? nothing, because go to? nigel dawson? nothing, becwell, no is the answer. is >> well, no is the answer. is the short answer. the other thing you're going to do thing is, if you're going to do this , that time is against you this, that time is against you at moment , the only way that at the moment, the only way that it would make sense for boris to come back if the tories are so desperate about the election is to get him elected on may the 2nd, when local elections happen. that's assuming there isn't a general election that gives boris two weeks to find a seat and get himself selected, get himself voted in. then the tory mps would have to get rid of rishi sunak. tory mps would have to get rid of rishi sunak . that's the most of rishi sunak. that's the most dangerous point. may the 2nd for

sunak and then the rest of the tory mps have to elect boris as their leader. it sounds to me like fantasy politics. >> i think it's so crazy it might just work. benhabib i think this is going to be one of those rare occasions where i agree with nigel. >> i think timing >> i think the timing just doesn't work. the notion doesn't work either, because everyone in the the tory the tories, in the tory parliamentary party has done something to boris something or the other to boris and vice versa. so, you know, one of the problems about being in office for so long is lots of enmity builds up between different people based on who got position , when, by whom got what position, when, by whom and who was fired. and there's a lot bad blood that's lot of bad, bad blood that's gone under the bridge with boris johnson. know , cast your johnson. you know, cast your mind back to the i don't need to. >> it was a to.— >> it was a mess. i don't to. >> it was a mess. i don't want to think. >> em- w- w— >> i mean, it was it was a bloodbath of wasn't it bloodbath of a mess. wasn't it awful to him. so i don't think it's human don't it's at a human level. i don't think it's conceivable idea. think it's a conceivable idea. but do, what but what they should do, what they do , is they absolutely should do, is follow advice. follow andrea jenkyns advice. get sunak and get get rid of sunak and get a proper conservative. she's prime

minister, boris. >> well, okay. and she did she. >> well, okay. and she did she. >> oh right. okay. >> oh right. okay. >> well she said that she actually said collapses completely that that is blow my argument right out of the water. yeah i because look they have literally nothing to lose now. they should never have. they should get rid of sunak. they should get rid of sunak. they should never have got of should never have got rid of him. stop. shouldn't him. full stop. they shouldn't have done that. i don't know why they almost as well >> it's almost as though well because back. bring because we bring him back. bring him making mistakes and forget everything happened between. and almost though >> and it'll almost be as though it did happen. it didn't happen. it did happen. he that he he's not really made that many mistakes as really. no many mistakes as he really. no more wonderful leader more than your wonderful leader keir showed himself showed >> he showed himself he showed himself. boris is himself. look look boris is a fantastic he's fantastic campaign for he's impossible because impossible to dislike because he's so personal. >> there you go then keep him. >> there you go then keep him. >> but as a prime minister for he's the wrong person for the job. tory mps knew that, job. and tory mps knew that, which is why they got rid of him. they're hardly going to try and bring him back now. >> well, if they that, why >> well, if they knew that, why did in rishi sunak? did they bring in rishi sunak? because exactly as you because he's exactly as you described. the described. he's not the right person described. he's not the right perwell, i mean, sunak at >> well, i mean, rishi sunak at the the polls the moment as well. the polls go. i think that the way the

budget went an absolute budget went was an absolute disgrace. budget disgrace. but because the budget was yes. was a disgrace, yes. >> they afford to >> because they can't afford to cut they've got >> because they can't afford to cut zero they've got >> because they can't afford to cut zero and they've got >> because they can't afford to cut zero and they've|ey've got >> because they can't afford to cut zero and they've got 'e got >> because they can't afford to cut zero and they've got allot net zero and they've got all these crazy they these other crazy policies, they didn't money. these other crazy policies, they did but money. these other crazy policies, they did but but money. these other crazy policies, they did but but the money. these other crazy policies, they did but but the whole oney. these other crazy policies, they did but but the whole point there >> but but the whole point there was that was actually was that, that was actually irresponsible to go do that. irresponsible to go and do that. that fact , it that wasn't. and in fact, it wasn't a tax cut anyway. at the moment, pound you're moment, for every pound you're getting, you're saving on national insurance, you're bringing in £1.90 because bringing back in £1.90 because of the tax burden , because of of the tax burden, because of the self taxes through thresholds not rising. >> yes . so there were no tax >> yes. so there were no tax cuts. and that's why this conservative government needs to be ejected. we've got the highest taxation , the highest highest taxation, the highest borrowing gdp per capita through the somebody was people the somebody was some people would that actually you would say that actually if you the did cut were the taxes that they did cut were only helping working people anyway they weren't helping anyway and they weren't helping the that really needed the people that really needed the help. >> e say that the help. >> say that they're >> so i would say that they're both just as bad as each other, aren't right. so what aren't they? right. so what labour and the conservatives. so here we go. ben's little here we go. here's ben's little thing for vote reform uk. >> glad said he >> i'm glad you said it. he missed it. >> i'm glad you said it. he mishei it. >> i'm glad you said it. he mishe missed it. >> he missed it. >> he missed it. >> no. well you said it for me.

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good afternoon. this is the clash . i'm good afternoon. this is the clash. i'm nana akua. good afternoon. this is the clash . i'm nana akua. you're clash. i'm nana akua. you're watching and listening to gb news. now the princess of wales has thanked the public for their support as the first support as she has. the first photo of was published after photo of her was published after her . sitting down, her surgery. sitting down, princess is surrounded princess catherine is surrounded by her three children prince george, princess charlotte and prince louis. joining me now, royal correspondent michael cole. michael so lovely to talk to you , the princess of wales.

to you, the princess of wales. finally, we get to see her. >> yeah. good afternoon. nana a lovely, charming picture . the lovely, charming picture. the princess looks very well fuller in the face than when last we saw her with, as you say, prince george , aged ten. princess george, aged ten. princess charlotte, eight, prince louis, five, and the photograph shot by prince william, aged 41, in what looks to be the back garden at adelaide cottage. they're far from grand house in the middle of windsor great park. from grand house in the middle of windsor great park . and, this of windsor great park. and, this photograph, besides showing a happy family on mother's day , happy family on mother's day, silences all those awful trolls who've been spreading false rumours, vile rumours , hurtful rumours, vile rumours, hurtful rumours, vile rumours, hurtful rumours and absurd rumours about the state of health of the princess, on this channel, with you and with others. i've said that kensington palace ought to give some sort of indication of what was going to on fill the

vacuum, the news vacuum, which was filling up with rubbish. and this does it without the need of a press release or a health bulletin. it should be noticed that she is sitting down and of course, she was sitting down when she was pictured by a paparazzi sitting in the front passenger seat of prince william's 4x4, being driven, back from the school run by her mother, carole middleton. so maybe she's not completely ambulatory yet, but she looks in good health. and of course, with all the viewers watching, we wish her the very best of health and a full recovery from whatever it is that she's suffering from as soon as possible . possible. >> now, michael, what happened today as well, because there was a bit of something happened outside palace. went on? >> well, i think we have to leave this to the police . leave this to the police. apparently a vehicle has collided with the front gates . collided with the front gates. i'm not sure which front gates

of buckingham palace . whether of buckingham palace. whether it's the main gates or the privy purse gates . and the person was purse gates. and the person was arrested very soon thereafter. i think scotland yard has said there's no terrorist connection there. we see the scaffolding and boards that have been put up, but that's the main entrance that people who are going to see the monarch, enter by. i must just say nana, when i was young, until he actually into the early 60s, the guardsmen used to parade outside the railings outside here, the sentry boxes were outside the railings, not inside the courtyard as you see them then. so they would have been on hand should that have happened. and they took them inside the courtyard because tourists were always standing deliberately in the way of the guardsmen as they walked, as they marched up and down. so, obviously something has happened , but the buckingham palace withstood the bombs from the luftwaffe during the second world war. so i'm quite sure it

will withstand this, well, listen , michael, thank you so listen, michael, thank you so much for that update. that is royal correspondent michael cole. thank you so much. i love that background. it looks so nice where he is. well, if you just tuned in. welcome. i'm joined by gb news senior joined now by gb news senior political commentator nigel nelson. reform uk nelson. and of course reform uk deputy leader habib. this is deputy leader ben habib. this is the habib , your the clash. ben habib, your thoughts on this? you've got about on, on the attack on about 20s on, on the attack on buckingham palace, whatever on any of it. >> yeah. well, i'm delighted to see that the princess is well and apparently. well, i thought there was far too much chat about her ailment while she was out. i think we should have been respectfully silent and respectfully silent on it and wishing the best at the wishing her all the best at the same time. so it's to see same time. so it's good to see her nigel. her back, nigel. >> was >> the picture was great. the kids smiling laughing. kids were smiling and laughing. she thought that she was smiling. i thought that was good picture to put was a really good picture to put out. >> well that's lovely. well, what think? gb views said what do you think? gb views said gb tweet at gb gb news. com tweet us at gb news. is gb news still to news. this is gb news still to come. monologue bbc. come. my monologue on the bbc. i know i really should stop, i shouldn't, but first let's get an update with your weather with

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gb news. >> hello. good afternoon, and welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next two hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs. of it's mine. it's theirs. and of course we'll be course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we disagree. but no times we will disagree. but no one cancelled. so one will be cancelled. so joining is broadcast joining me today is broadcast and journalist danny kelly and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> good afternoon. it's 4:00. i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. our top stories. the princess of wales has thanked the public for their support as the public for their support as the first photo of the royal was published after her abdominal surgery. the image, posted on social to media mark mother's

day, was taken by the prince of wales in windsor earlier on this week. sitting down, princess catherine is surrounded by her children prince george, princess charlotte and prince louis. she was admitted to hospital on january 16th and left two weeks later following a planned operation. she's expected to return to her royal duties after easter. well, police say an incident at buckingham palace is not being treated as terror related . armed officers detained related. armed officers detained a man in the early hours of yesterday morning after a car crashed into the gates. he was arrested on suspicion of criminal damage, then released on bail. and since sectioned under the mental health act . under the mental health act. while in other royal news, princess diana's brother charles spencer says he was sexually abused from the age of 11 at boarding school. in an extract from his memoir published in the mail on sunday, earl spencer says he was targeted by a female member of staff at maidwell hall in northamptonshire, leaving him with lifelong demons. in a

statement, the school said it's difficult to read about practices which were sadly sometimes believed to be normal and acceptable at that time . and acceptable at that time. pro—palestinian protesters are being warned that they could be lending credence to extremists . lending credence to extremists. the communities secretary is urging people to question which groups are organising the marches. michael gove , who is marches. michael gove, who is due to publish a new official definition of extremism , told definition of extremism, told the sunday telegraph there's no excuse for ignorance and good hearted demonstrators need to be aware they risk fuelling aware that they risk fuelling hate and intimidation . a us hate and intimidation. a us military ship carrying equipment to build a temporary pier off the coast of gaza is on its way to the middle east, us central command confirmed that the vessel, general frank s besson, set sail from virginia. it's after president biden confirmed that the united states would build a floating harbour to help get more aid to gaza by sea. the un has warned that famine in the

strip is almost inevitable, and children are starving to death . children are starving to death. a number of bodies have been removed from a funeral director in yorkshire as part of a police investigation. cordons remain in place at three branches of legacy independent funeral directors after humberside police received reports of concern for care of the deceased, the bodies have been taken to the local authority, authority, authority mortuary in hull, while they try to establish whether any criminal offences have been committed. police have set up a direct line for anyone who may be affected . for anyone who may be affected. a group of mothers are staging a hunger strike outside of parliament. the five day protest aims to draw attention to parents who can't afford to eat and are skipping meals to feed their kids. their list of demands includes enforcing free school meals and universal credit to guarantee life's essentials. mps are due to address the issue on tuesday,

and cars that don't comply with london's ulez rules can now be donated to ukraine under the scrappage scheme . mayor sadiq scrappage scheme. mayor sadiq khan says from next week, drivers who give up their vehicles will be able to apply for grants of up to £2,000. kyivs mayor, vitali klitschko , kyivs mayor, vitali klitschko, reportedly suggested the idea of exporting the cars in a letter to his counterpart. a charity will facilitate the move. the donated vehicles will be used to support humanitarian and medical needs. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts now straight back to . nana. to. nana. >> thank you ray. it's just coming up to five minutes after 4:00. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, onune akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. now, do need to warn you that this next story could be

distressing for some viewers . distressing for some viewers. the bbc's poor editorial judgement continues. the bbc's poor editorial judgement continues . look, i judgement continues. look, i don't like carrying on about them because i think that there is a place for them and i have benefited from some of their excellent training, as has danny. but in 2016, the bbc put together a documentary called to hell and back. it was about a syrian family , the bedreddin's, syrian family, the bedreddin's, who were given refugee status in the uk. it tugged at the heartstrings in all the right places and had the usual bbc victimhood spin as it followed their 11 month journey from syria to newcastle. my place of birth. i'm a geordie and proud and this was all part of a refugee settlement programme . refugee settlement programme. dufing refugee settlement programme. during the filming time, which should have rung alarm bells , should have rung alarm bells, the bbc became aware of criminal proceedings against the son omar, who was 18 at the time. he was accused of sexual assault of a minor. a 14 year old girl in newcastle. now anyone filming this should immediately be

thinking perhaps there's time to abandon the project, but not the bbc. katie razzall was the ex newsnight journalist who interviewed the family after the trial, where omar told her i felt she, the accuser , didn't felt she, the accuser, didn't want foreigners in the country and that is why she made the whole thing up. now katie did not challenge it and added that she believes omar was at the heart of the case against him . heart of the case against him. she even claimed that the syrian men appeared to be less sexually experienced than the girls. they were supposed to have attacked. where were ofcom? oh yeah , i where were ofcom? oh yeah, i forgot, it's down to the bbc to refer themselves in the documentary. they couldn't wait to show the far right, and newcastle, in my view, came off very badly. well only this week omar, bedridden and his brother mohammed, with two others, were given a 38.5 year sentence for rape of a girl they abused

between 2018 and 2019. they pretty much destroyed her life, repeatedly raping and torturing her. neil o'brien mp, a former minister, said the bbc showed poor editorial judgement in commissioning this fawning documentary, more interested in airing an unchallenged accusation given they smeared a young girl as sexually experienced and failed to challenge the racism accusations made by someone who turns out to be a sexual predator. you would hope that there would be a bit more contrition , but a bbc more contrition, but a bbc spokesperson said the bbc can only report on the facts as they stand at the time, which is what we did in 2016. the bedreddin's subsequent crimes are appalling and we express our sincere sympathies to the victims. i don't know about you , but i'm don't know about you, but i'm getting a bit tired of the bbc preaching their holier than thou principles . before we get

principles. before we get stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today. into the debate, here's what else is coming up today . the else is coming up today. the great british debate this hour. i'm we need a new i'm asking, do we need a new definition of extremism? as the levelling up minister, michael gove is tasked with finding a new extremism , new definition for extremism, does he also need to look at the finding at finding a new time for islamism? then, at 450, as worldview across live to los angeles to speak to paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast. and there's loads we're to loads going on. we're going to get latest from the us get the latest from the us presidential election. as get presidential election. as we get closer to rematch closer and closer to the rematch between joe biden and donald trump. then, at five, it's this week's outside now, my outside mystery guest is a norwegian model and influencer who holds the for being her home the title for being her home country's youngest ever elected politician . with more than 25in politician. with more than 25in of long blonde hair, the 31 year old is about to put her knowledge to the test by launching her own hair care product. all will be revealed in an . who do you she an hour. who do you think she is? as you can get in is? and as ever, you can get in touch, email me

gbviews@gbnews.uk at gbviews@gbnews.uk or tweet me at . gb news. right, let's get started. let's welcome again to my panel author and broadcaster christine hamilton, and also broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. they've missed off the journalist , kelly. they've missed off the journalist, but danny still a journalist. i know you are, but they've missed it off on the ten years. >> maybe that's their reaction to doing for two years. to doing this for two years. >> dropped the >> they've dropped the journalist. on the journalist. they see me on the telly, it . telly, they've dropped it. >> got to start with >> well, i've got to start with you, having previously you, danny. having previously worked i've worked at the bbc. yeah, i've read article. read this article. >> i've seen snippets of the documentary and the fact is, is that this is a 14 year old girl and the cps found that there was sufficient evidence to prosecute these thugs . these thugs. >> this is the first time. >> this is the first time. >> the first time round. >> the first time round. >> now, i read that the barristers got it thrown out because translation issues. because of translation issues. >> okay, so alleged translation issues. >> well, you've got to you've got to now look at it. that's the at the time. so, so at the

time, you know, they were innocent any accusations of innocent of any accusations of rape it was thrown out rape because it was thrown out and tried. what and they weren't tried. what sits uncomfortably with me sits very uncomfortably with me is the fact that the race card was played . so they basically was played. so they basically said girl a made said a 14 year old girl a made these allegations up. so she was a fantasist . she made these a fantasist. she made these allegations up because they were foreigners. newcastle comes out of it very poorly because of the title. i haven't seen it all, but to hell and back that suggests that they've left war torn syria with bombs raining down their heads threats down on their heads and threats of decapitation by isis, because that was the time of isis, of course. and they've gone to newcastle and back. newcastle to hell and back. i think the bbc have got it wrong. they've got it terribly wrong. when discovered that this when they discovered that this lad was being done for rape, they pulled plug i >> -- >> well, m >> well, that's what i would have thought. should have have thought. they should have stopped and the have thought. they should have stopofd and the have thought. they should have stopof it. and the have thought. they should have stopof it. and and the have thought. they should have stopof it. and actually the have thought. they should have stopof it. and actually whate have thought. they should have stopof it. and actually what the end of it. and actually what the reasoning for why got, why reasoning for why they got, why he because there's no he got off. because there's no proof did it. you proof that he did it. and, you know, accept the know, we have to accept the legal but it is big legal verdict. but it is a big alarm part in the alarm bell and even part in the documentary because i watched it, bit where

it, there was a bit where the son so these syrian families, their was accused. he their son was, was accused. he was he was still in syria and he was he was still in syria and he was accused of islamism or something. and he and then he died because apparently he'd been of he was been killed because of he was they was islamic they said he was an islamic fundamentalist. they they said he was an islamic fundtsayinglist. they they said he was an islamic fundtsaying .st. they they said he was an islamic fundtsaying . they they they said he was an islamic fundtsaying . they had they they said he was an islamic fundtsaying . they had happened were saying. they had happened to he was to him. that's why he was killed. think the bbc killed. and i think the bbc would that and known would have heard that and known that said the that because they said it in the documentary. that's documentary. and again, that's a big alarm bell. >> the bbc must >> well, the bbc must have thought was christmas thought it was christmas when this was acquitted of this guy was was acquitted of these charges or they decided not to proceed. they must have just , this is icing just thought, this is the icing on amazingly wonderful case on this amazingly wonderful case of this story. first of all, we have the alleged racism of this girl, etc. etc. and they weren't welcome this country. i mean, welcome in this country. i mean, it tory tailor made it was a tory story tailor made for the bbc. you have to ask. i mean, they are so blinkered. the bbc and other broadcasting channels, by their political correctness, they're caught in this grip. where were they when the rotherham grooming gangs were going on? where were they making drama mas and making a, drama mas and documentaries, not dramas, documentaries, not dramas, documentaries about all that .

documentaries about all that. they're very, very keen to leap on it when it when it's a syrian family that they can prove that the brits have nasty to the brits have been nasty to them. i mean, they must have loved it. >> think, know, in all >> i think, you know, in all fairness to them, it was obviously of sort obviously a level of sort of naivety , i think, but then i naivety, i think, but then i just feel that do sometimes just feel that i do sometimes feel that it's so preachy and so houer feel that it's so preachy and so holier than thou. and then a lot of things are coming out from the are very the bbc, which are very distressing and disappointing because am advocate because i am an advocate for them. ultimately even after that. but i am ultimately because do believe there is a because i do believe there is a place for them. but i'm not sure that people should be forced to pay that people should be forced to pay pecking for >> there's a pecking order for certain things. certain things trump other things. so immigration and refugee status in this case would trump the unfounded allegations of a 14 year old girl, and not only the unfounded allegations , quote unfounded allegations, quote unquote, but to actually disparage her, her integrity by by suggesting that she's a racist. and also she's sexually active. the fact is, a 14 year old girl is so sexually active, it makes an 18 year old syrian

lad fly under. he doesn't know what to do with it at that point was actually that they were saying that the, the, the that the seemed more the girls seemed more experienced sexually, i don't know, irrelevant. >> well, what were >> well, that's what they were saying, that shouldn't saying, that they shouldn't be submission, that it fitted their narrative , didn't it, for her to narrative, didn't it, for her to be more sexually experienced. >> prejudiced against >> she was prejudiced against them. racist. and them. she was racist. and therefore this therefore she made this accusation of spite. that's accusation out of spite. that's what they say. >> the time, to fair >> and at the time, to be fair to as there were some to them as well, there were some marches some far right marches from some far right groups placed on the groups that also placed on the in film, to which, in the film, to which, again, sort makes look , oh, you sort of makes it look, oh, you know, they've really like nobody sort of makes it look, oh, you know, th

and in oldham. is and this was in oldham. this is this is least conservative this is the least conservative council ever get. these council you'll ever get. these aren't far right kids. these have just happened to be white kids from labour voting households who find that integration hasn't worked in oldham yet. yet all a sudden oldham yet. yet all of a sudden they're far right. it probably isn't winger amongst them. well, this label far >> well, this label of far right, they fling it around all over the place. i mean, i'm accused being far for accused of being far right, for goodness news far goodness sake. gb news is far right. ridiculous . right. it's ridiculous. >> i'm far right, apparently. >> i'm far right, apparently. >> well, off. you're off >> well, you're off. you're off the . but it is. it's an the spectrum. but it is. it's an allegation which is thrown around very, very loosely. and somebody who is perceived to be from the far right will get arrested for turning up at arrested for just turning up at arrested for just turning up at a . i don't have to do a demo. i don't have to do anything. they're just bundled away to be away because they thought to be a threat. >> i have interesting to be >> i have an interesting to be fair, were . they fair, again, they were. they filmed these far right filmed some of these far right protests protests protests and they were protests with and placards all with people and placards and all that so they that kind of thing. so they filmed and put it as part filmed that and put it as part of which also of the documentary, which also then narrative then supported the narrative that the reason why, it was because reason why somebody because the reason why somebody had made this up was because of

that. that's what that. and that's what this bedndden that. and that's what this bedridden guy was kind of saying. >> well, as i say, it was christmas to the bbc. >> have to it's just to >> i have to it's just come to my recollection that there was a footballer called chad who footballer called chad evans who was rape , and then was convicted of rape, and then he had his sentence quashed. the whole quashed. whole trial was quashed. and then he was retried he was then he was retried and he was found guilty. and remember found not guilty. and i remember when not guilty when he was found not guilty saying, on my saying, breaking the news on my on my morning show at the bbc in birmingham, saying chad evans has not guilty. and has been found not guilty. and then no longer then i said he is no longer a racist. remember, sorry , a racist. and i remember, sorry, a rapist, forgive me. and i remember my boss coming down. he was after show was incandescent after the show to say that. and to say you cannot say that. and i said, well, look what exactly someone's been found innocent . correct. >> because why we can't say we're going back. >> anything until. sure. so >> is anything until. sure. so he was found guilty. then the, the verdict was quashed because it was an unfair verdict. and that he was retried. and my boss because of the stigma and that was at the time me too, you was at the time of me too, you know, the metoo movement in know, the metoo movement back in 20 was just so 201617 and the bbc was just so belligerently focussed on the

trump system of, well, if you are, if you are a woman and you have been the victim of anything, then that trumps everything. even if the even if the rapist was found not guilty in and i was not in a second trial and i was not allowed to, i said, no allowed to, i said, he's no longer rapist. allowed to, i said, he's no lon well, rapist. allowed to, i said, he's no lon well, this;t. allowed to, i said, he's no lon well, this this it all goes >> well, this this it all goes back to keir starmer when he was director dpp , he was the director of the dpp, he was the one who instituted instigated this , mantra that the accuser this, mantra that the accuser must be believed. the victim. first of all, he called them the victim. well they're not a victim. well they're not a victim. they're the accuser. they're not a victim until it's been proved that they have been a victim. instituted a victim. and he instituted this. the police must always assume that the victim had to be believed. >> but let's let's be fair to the bbc. they do do some good programmes. they do some great. >> course they >> of course they do. >> of course they do. >> you know, have respect >> we, you know, we have respect for them. trained me and for them. they trained me and you, why we're you, danny. this is why we're such broadcasters. you, danny. this is why we're suc there broadcasters. you, danny. this is why we're sucthere brci'm asters. you, danny. this is why we're sucthere brci'm anzrs. you, danny. this is why we're sucthere brci'm an is. you, danny. this is why we're sucthere brci'm an i love the >> there is a i'm an i love the bbc that they're simply just following story as is at the following the story as is at the time. >> so. so we don't blame them. but is the way they portray. but it is the way they portray. why did they they didn't

why did they choose? they didn't need opinion no need to put opinion in it. no >> mean there of course >> okay. i mean there of course is for the but it's, is a role for the bbc, but it's, it's anyway that's another whole perhaps they it's anyway that's another whole perha|that they it's anyway that's another whole perha|that particular they it's anyway that's another whole perha|that particular family.y it's anyway that's another whole perha|that particular family. i chose that particular family. i don't know. as i say, it was christmas for them and especially when the boy was accused, thought, accused, they must have thought, okay, stopped filming for okay, they stopped filming for a bit. actually bit. they must have actually thought, we've thought, oh my goodness, we've had he's a victim, had it. if he's a victim, i just, i just think when he wasn't, were ahead . wasn't, they were steam ahead. >> think they >> well, i just think they shouldn't there is shouldn't as soon as there is an implication something implication of something like that should have it. that they should have pulled it. pull that they should have pulled it. pulwell, they did pause and >> well, they did pause and that's what. >> no, you pulled the >> no, no, no, you pulled the plug. you pulled plug plug. you pulled the plug because hang because it's, you know, hang on a minute. because it's, you know, hang on a nhang. a minute. neil and >> hang on a minute. neil and i were theroux were filming with louis theroux when we were very publicly arrested accused rape by arrested and accused of rape by the louis the metropolitan police. louis didn't pull plug. he kept on didn't pull the plug. he kept on filming. have pulled didn't pull the plug. he kept on filnplug? have pulled the plug? >> probably would have >> i think i probably would have as yeah, absolutely. why as well. yeah, absolutely. why >> why? because is assuming >> why? because that is assuming that guilty, which that we were guilty, which we were not. >> well, you probably pulled the plug >> well, you probably pulled the plug maybe don't think plug and maybe i don't think i think the difference here, in my view, that this is a 14 year view, is that this is a 14 year old. think that there's old. i just think that there's the is very different the scenario is very different here. this would

here. this is this would be sex with minor would be with a minor and it would be rape minor . okay. rape with a minor. okay. >> well we were accused of rape, but the rape not with but the word rape but not with the minor. >> no, it is bad. listen, all of it by the way, it was it is bad. by the way, it was a woman we had never met in our lives. all of is but. lives. all of it is bad. but. but be adults who. but these would be adults who. you think the real you know. but i think the real issue this one that in issue for this one is that in actual it's a minor that actual fact, it's a minor that we're dealing with. and i think actual fact, it's a minor that wemydealing with. and i think actual fact, it's a minor that we my view,ig with. and i think actual fact, it's a minor that we my view, thatth. and i think actual fact, it's a minor that we my view, that that1d i think actual fact, it's a minor that we my view, that that would nk actual fact, it's a minor that we my view, that that would have in my view, that that would have to i think that's to end, you know, i think that's where real problem. where it's the real problem. >> but >> well, they did pause it, but they when they they carried on even when they found he was supposedly innocent,but if he was innocent >> well, but if he was innocent then didn't happen. it'sjust then it didn't happen. it's just a my view. the a scenario in my view. the scenario scenario scenario that's that scenario in particular. i would be nowhere near that all. right. but near that at all. right. but what think? what do you think? vaiews@gbnews.com. but glad vaiews@gbnews.com. but i'm glad you it's an you brought that up. it's an interesting thing to think about. anyway, so about. but yeah, but, anyway, so you in touch with you keep getting in touch with your , but your your thoughts, but now your chance enter our chance to win to enter our latest great british giveaway , latest great british giveaway, £12,345 in cash. £12,345 could be yours in cash. happiness >> we have a ton of top prizes to be won in our spring giveaway. there's a massive £12,345 in tax free cash to

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should be marching alongside they could be marching alongside extremists. michael gove's intervention again comes ahead of the announcement of a new definition for extremism . we're definition for extremism. we're getting ourselves in knots, i reckon, and that came out this week. now, it's hoped that officially defining the terms will ensure that governments cut ties with anybody whose behaviour crosses that line. but will the announcement go far enough? and what about islamism ? enough? and what about islamism? doesn't that need defining too? so for the great british debate this hour , i'm asking, do we this hour, i'm asking, do we need new definition of need a new definition of islamism ? so joining me now is islamism? so joining me now is senior commentator senior political commentator nigel party's nigel nelson, reform party's deputy habib . sunil deputy leader ben habib. sunil sharma is also joining me as well . see, that's why i say well. see, that's why i say name, title, name, title . right. name, title, name, title. right. so you guys so i'll start with you.so so you guys so i'll start with you. so islamism we're getting he's talking about a new definition. do we need one? >> i don't think so. >> i don't think so. >> i don't think so. >> i think the we're both islamism and extremism.

>> i think be very >> i think we have to be very wary of these, these definitions and how much impact it can have in society. >> we don't want to be running the risk of turning a free thinking democracy into a tyrannic run state. so i think these new definitions , i think a these new definitions, i think a lot of them serve their purpose quite well as it is. and i'm not sure if we should be asking the state, the government to have even greater intervention into society . i mean, i think in society. i mean, i think in order to think, you have to have the risk of being offensive. and when you're seeking the truth, it's the same thing. you have to have the risk being have the risk of being offensive. otherwise we'll never find truth and we'll all be find the truth and we'll all be sitting told how we sitting here being told how we should think and what we should sitting here being told how we shotandiink and what we should sitting here being told how we shotand ink and what we should sitting here being told how we shotand i thinkj what we should sitting here being told how we shotand i think that's we should sitting here being told how we shotand i think that's vweryould say. and i think that's a very slippery slippery and slippery and slippery slope and dangerous go. okay, so dangerous way to go. okay, so what do you think, ben habib? >> well, i very largely agree with what sunil said. i don't think we need a new think that we need a new definition. got, you know, definition. we've got, you know, the british the way, the way british law works is that does it make sense to the, you know, common man on the clapham omnibus? and we know

what extremism is when we see it. we don't need to define define it for the purposes of the law. we need less state intervention. what we do intervention. but what we do also to recognise is that also need to recognise is that if going if we're going to have immigration and we've had far too much immigration in the last 25 more people have come 25 years, more people have come to in the 25 to this country in the last 25 years in history. years than in all of history. before that . but are going before that. but if we are going to immigration, then we've to have immigration, then we've got a melding of the got to have a melding of the people come into the people who come into the country, settled country, into one settled social construct and there should be debate about our, there should be debate amongst all of us very openly about our relative values and how we see life and so on. but that can only happen if you do have a settled social construct . it can't happen if construct. it can't happen if everyone operates in separate silos, and it becomes verboten to challenge any one of those silos, sets of beliefs. and that's where we are as a country at the moment. and we are becoming increasingly divided. and as i mentioned earlier on in the programme , nana diversity, the programme, nana diversity, equality and inclusion doesn't

serve diversity, serve to generate diversity, equality or inclusion. it's division, inequality and exclusion. that's what we're practising at the moment. and we've got to reverse dramatically from where we're heading culturally as a country. >> okay, nigel nelson , well, i >> okay, nigel nelson, well, i mean, the first thing, the first thing there is islamism . thing there is islamism. >> i think we've got a definition of islam. islamism which which means , political which which means, political action guided by the islamic religion. people get the two confused islamic and islamism. then we then you come to whether or not michael gove needs a new definition of extremism and the existing one seems to work perfectly well, which is not undermining fundamental british values. and they're defined as democracy , rule of law, liberty democracy, rule of law, liberty and respect for other people's religions. so we'll obviously have to see what michael gove comes up with. but it seems to me it's dangerous to start tightening up because he'll catch other groups in the middle

of this, which he doesn't need to. so people who are transgender critical could be could be affected. people have a religious belief that gay sex is a sin, could be affected , and a sin, could be affected, and suddenly we're actually undermining free speech, which shouldn't be the intention. >> but you know, when you hear all of this as well, because i for me, when i hear all of this, i think that they use it almost as an excuse for their inaction . as an excuse for their inaction. so they use it as an excuse for the that they used the fact that they haven't used what they can within what they currently can within the definition of the laws. and the definition of islamism and extremism that is already the and they already within the law. and they could properly police, but they don't they don't do it. so don't use they don't do it. so then they sort of make it look like they're being useful to kind of, well, we'll move kind of, oh, well, we'll move around edges. around the edges. >> performative >> and then it's performative legislation the legislation to satisfy the electorate when actually they're doing substantive. you doing nothing substantive. you know, for example, when we saw people urinating on british war memorials, the police said they couldn't stop it. well, actually they can. there are already laws in place to stop it. we've got to stop legislating. got to stop legislating. we've got to stop legislating. we've got to the law as it

stands. >> so now, yeah, i think for sure, i think we've got to sure, i think what we've got to start is we have an start to do is we have an amazing police force that's not being, think, utilised being, i don't think, utilised to capacity remotely. to its max capacity remotely. instead of michael gove focusing on these new laws, i'd much rather him give police the power and the courage and the strength to actually go arrest the people. like ben has mentioned. the reality is they won't do that. now we're seeing these courses where the police now go on these understanding diversity and inclusion. i'd much rather them the courage and be them have the courage and be given the responsibility to be actually take action, on these things. and i think it's deeply concerning whenever the state gets involved in terms of when we're talking about laws and we're talking about laws and we're talking about definitions and i completely agree with nigel's point, although think nigel's point, although i think michael's talking about this in particular some particular with some of the palestine marches and how, you know, some of the words that they're using seen as they're using can be seen as very offensive the jewish very offensive to the jewish community. i may agree community. while i may agree with that personally in terms of the reason he's he's doing this,

we run the risk of this becoming a police state in general. and it could transpire more than just pro—palestinian just these pro—palestinian marches. and it may be, like nigel about the trans nigel said about the trans issues, about diversity issues. and that's a really, and i think that's a really, really concerning state, because these things do tend to get caught up in it, don't they? >> and then suddenly it legitimises something that isn't, isn't right. and we saw that. isn't, isn't right. and we saw that . i isn't, isn't right. and we saw that. i mean, i always give the example of the isla bryson case where the definition of woman was changed in the dictionary to include identify as include people who identify as women, is, you know, on women, which is, you know, on the of it feels that the surface of it, it feels that that's enough. with that's fair enough. but with what with what limits or what you know, what what what checks and balances, have you got to make sure that person is actually that thing? and then suddenly they within the suddenly they are now within the law woman. then they law of being a woman. then they can say, well, i want can suddenly say, well, i want to female jail even to go to a female jail even though man, because i'm though i'm a man, because i'm a woman and i hear it. do you woman and i hear it. so do you think nigel nelson, do we think then, nigel nelson, do we need a new definitions for anything? extremism, islamism? do we? do we really need these new need definitions >> well, we need definitions

when got aren't when the ones we've got aren't working, think? and so working, do you think? and so for there's for instance, we there's no subtle definition of islamophobia. need islamophobia. we probably need to actually relook at that. so the political parties can agree on what it means. but you're absolutely right. nana the trouble about doing these things is they create unintended consequences. you gave a good example there, and that's the danger of tinkering around with something that ben said , we all something that ben said, we all understand anyway. >> exactly. benhabib do you think we need a new definition? >> no, we shouldn't have a new definition. we shouldn't define islamophobia mean, definition. we shouldn't define islatoyphobia mean, definition. we shouldn't define islato suggest mean, definition. we shouldn't define islato suggest that mean, definition. we shouldn't define islato suggest that having n, it's to suggest that having a concern about a particular ideology is somehow an irrational fear would be to shut down debate. what we want is debate. if there are elements in our society. okay. >> i'm gonna have to stop you there. >> okay? i could go on. >> okay? i could go on. >> it was really good. and i know you can go on. sinner alok sharma. you got about 10s definitely with being definitely agree with ben being concerned islamic concerned about islamic extremism islamophobia. so? >> so? >> e”- e or no? do need a >> so yes or no? do we need a new definition? yes or no. new definition? yes or no? no. benhabib. yes no? no. nigel

benhabib. yes or no? no. nigel nelson, yes or no? no. wow. it's a clean sweep. what do you think? at home? perhaps you think? at home? perhaps you think do gb views at gb news. think we do gb views at gb news. com. so much, nigel com. thank you so much, nigel nelson, habib sunil nelson, also ben habib and sunil sharma. much. sharma. thank you so much. right. get gb views right. so get in touch gb views at com this is gb news. at gb news. com this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua . so we continue with nana akua. so we continue with the great british debate. in just be asking, do just a moment i'll be asking, do you we need a new you think we need a new definition islamism? you definition for islamism? you know, of panel know, the thoughts of my panel broadcaster christine hamilton and journalist and broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. still to come, my outside she's outside guest. she's the youngest elected norwegian youngest ever elected norwegian politician. she'll be me politician. she'll be telling me all her latest business all about her latest business venture and her roller coaster life. but first, let's get your latest headlines . latest news headlines. >> 432 i'm ray addison in the gb newsroom. our top stories . the newsroom. our top stories. the princess of wales has thanked the public for their support , as the public for their support, as a photo of her was published after her abdominal surgery to mark mother's day. sitting down,

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warned that pro—palestine protesters could be marching alongside extremists. michael gove's intervention comes ahead of the announcement of a new definition for extremism this week . but definition for extremism this week. but will definition for extremism this week . but will the announcement week. but will the announcement go far enough? about go far enough? and what about islamism ? doesn't that need islamism? doesn't that need defining too? so for the great british debate, this hour, i'm asking, do we need a new definition so definition for islamism? so joining me now discuss joining me now to discuss broadcaster christine broadcaster and author christine hamilton from hamilton also broadcast from journalist danny kelly. right. christine hamilton , no , nothing christine hamilton, no, nothing more to be said. >> and. well, i mean, it's typical. it's tinkering while rome burns, isn't it? it's absurd. what a complete and utter waste of time of government's thinking and government's thinking and government time. no we don't. and, if you if you define islamism and extremism and things as too, too closely, you know, you're going to cause problems. all we have to do is one of your previous panellists said, is we have to interpret things in the way that we're doing and enforce the law

properly so people who go outside it, there's nothing wrong the current wrong with the current definition of islamism, which i think them described it think one of them described it as, it's sort practices as, is it's sort of practices and etc. relating to and beliefs, etc. relating to the islamic faith. i mean, why, why, why are we talking? but why do we need to redefine islamism ? do we need to redefine islamism? islamophobia is an unfounded fear of islamism. that's that's completely different. but people do have they can have a fear if it's if it's founded in fact, if they have had bad experiences, etc, which is that different from islamophobia? a fear of something not a phobia, something is not a phobia, people have been bitten by a snake. people have been bitten by a snake . it's probably quite, snake. it's probably quite, quite fair that they should have a bit of a what for. otherwise other people would have been a phobia. but no, we don't need a new definition at all. it's a complete it's an absolute example government. example of the government. they're heading towards a catastrophic and they they're heading towards a cattdancing and they they're heading towards a cattdancing around and they they're heading towards a cattdancing around on d they they're heading towards a cattdancing around on d th head are dancing around on the head of pin as to what is islamism. of a pin as to what is islamism. >> danny kelly well, come on

danny, disagree. >> you stole my thunder. >> you stole my thunder. >> word for word. i can't believe it was more or less word for word. what i was going to say. one thing i would like to tell her in the. >> we didn't discuss it. actually, words? actually, no. stolen your words? >> no no. one thing i'd >> no no no no no. one thing i'd like just to amend. or maybe is just with your introduction there, are lot of these there, there are a lot of these radical islamists on these marches, you know, so when we when we see and hear people say that they're overwhelmingly peaceful, i maybe the tv are being selective with what we watch, but i wouldn't want to walk through one of these marches. yeah, not a chance. >> michael gove identified that some of them are organised by extremist organisations, so that is something that you might think that you're doing. oh, you're bit for the you're doing your bit for the war you're being peaceful war and you're being peaceful and that, and protesting and all that, but you need look into you really need to look into what you're getting in. what you're getting involved in. and getting involved and if you are getting involved in has in something which has an extremist it, then extremist element to it, then you part of the problem as you are part of the problem as well. yeah. that's right. >> of there are >> i mean, of course there are some these marches some people on these marches with best of intentions.

with the best of intentions. we all all want all want peace. we all want there to no fighting. of there to be no more fighting. of course but as golda meyer course we do. but as golda meyer said, the arabs down said, if the arabs put down their weapons, be no their weapons, there will be no more war. if israel puts down her will be her weapons, there will be no more . release the more israel. release the hostages. people hostages. that's what people should for . hostages. that's what people should for. release should be asking for. release the hostages. >> find it just shocking >> yeah, i find it just shocking that sometimes on these things as well, people who identify and say that. so the guy holding the banner saying hamas is terrorist, all terrorist, which we all acknowledge and accept, the bbc wouldn't and wouldn't say it for ages, and i don't know whether they've wouldn't say it for ages, and i don't knysaid hether they've wouldn't say it for ages, and i don't knysaid itether they've wouldn't say it for ages, and i don't knysaid it properly. 've wouldn't say it for ages, and i don't knysaid it properly. but wouldn't say it for ages, and i don�*know,1id it properly. but wouldn't say it for ages, and i don�*know, we t properly. but wouldn't say it for ages, and i don�*know, we all'operly. but wouldn't say it for ages, and i don�*know, we all know'. but wouldn't say it for ages, and i don�*know, we all know that! wouldn't say it for ages, and i don�*know, we all know that that you know, we all know that that is the way they are. >> it is the truth. >> it is the truth. >> and yet somebody in of >> and yet somebody in one of these so—called peaceful >> and yet somebody in one of these so-from d peaceful >> and yet somebody in one of these so-from d pealeful >> and yet somebody in one of these so-from d peai saw in the marches, from what i saw in the clip, definitely being clip, was definitely being attacked by members of the crowd. now, the police may have seen it differently, but i'm just watching clip and just watching the clip and making decision. making my decision. >> understand he got >> i can understand why he got lifted don't lifted by the old bill. i don't agree but i can agree with it, but i can understand he understand well because he potentially cause potentially was going to cause a problem, disturbance. problem, a public disturbance. yeah, be yeah, but he shouldn't be causing. know you're causing. no, i know you're saying marchers. saying that these marchers. you're right . you're right. no, you're right. >> you remove one the >> why do you remove one the person or a one person who is

speaking the truth? no, agree speaking the truth? no, i agree perfectly peaceful placard. >> and agree . >> no, i, you and i agree. >> no, i, you and i agree. >> bill wrestled him to the ground in what looked to be the most what? what looked to be the most what? what looked to be the most uncomfortable position. look the east should be allowed to do what wants. to do what he wants. >> but unfortunately the situation. he was causing trouble. there shouldn't trouble. but there shouldn't have trouble. have been any trouble. >> woman who was >> but the woman who was silently an silently praying outside an abortion clinic. excuse me, wife right to do. but it's the same thing she was. thought you might create problems with other with other people. >> we're talking fella >> we're talking about a fella holding placard saying holding up a placard saying hammer. his grammar was awful well. >> well, i say may!“ mm.- >> well, i did say he said if anything, that's the problem. >> been nick for >> it should have been nick for his grammar. his poor grammar. >> he wasn't. >> hang on, he wasn't. >> hang on, he wasn't. >> british. he was. >> he wasn't british. he was. i don't what nationality don't know what nationality hamas don't know what nationality harterrorist? yes but english is not. >> not his first language. >> was not his first language. >> was not his first language. >> no. but message was >> well, no. but the message was could saying that could almost be saying that hamas the word hamas is terrorist like the word hamas is terrorist like the word hamas terrorist. hamas is terrorist. >> that could be >> yeah. okay. so that could be sorry pedantry sorry for the pedantry on the grammar. be grammar. so do you. so let's be pedantic then about dualism. do you go back the question? you go back to the question? >> no , they shouldn't be >> no, they shouldn't be

redefining i'm fairly redefining it. no, i'm fairly okay with the current definition. >> i just need to act on it, don't they? >> they just need christine. >> they just need christine. >> christine is right. let me just recover some of our mutual respect. christine is right. you know, this is all red meat a little bit for for, some people believe that it should be redefined because it shows nothing without you and your views. >> let's welcome our great british voices. their opportunity to be on tell us opportunity to be on and tell us what the topics what they think about the topics we're discussing let's we're discussing. let's head over to watford, david over to watford, speak to david balme . sorry, david, i didn't balme. sorry, david, i didn't bnng balme. sorry, david, i didn't bring water. i'm drinking bring my own water. i'm drinking the filtered water, whatever makes me cough. david, makes me cough. anyway. david, what think ? what do you think? >> i agree don't need to >> i agree we don't need to redefine anything which needs the police to act on public order issues. >> goes back to the black lives matter destroying anything they wanted to in the name of their protest. >> we've had this with the eco warriors. >> the police will not tackle the majority, but only the minority. sarah everard, they were praying. >> they were saying a vigil by a

tree. >> the police acted because they said it was wrong. if the police start acting detaining start acting and detaining people who are causing havoc and mayhem and discord, wanting to violence , the world would be violence, the world would be better. we wouldn't have the anger towards certain sectors of society and you have to ask who are the people who are behind it? what are they trying to achieve? i don't believe they are looking for a peaceful end. they want their own way. they're bullies and they should be locked up and the key thrown away. >> but there'll be a lot of people locked up. they'll be locked up together. david, you are you jewish? yeah. would you go london whilst go into central london whilst these so—called pro—palestinian peaceful marches are happening ? peaceful marches are happening? >> not i having said that, i have some amazing friends who are muslims, who are hindus. i wouldn't go anywhere into a crowd at the moment because except for running, i'll run the marathon next month because i will not feel safe with people

screaming for my blood, because i'm jewish. if there were a peaceful protest and open to debate, great. >> but very briefly as well, because nigel nelson said that from the river to the sea isn't offensive. or he was basically saying that its origins weren't offensive. different offensive. so not in a different context . it's not offensive. context. it's not offensive. >> it's a totally offensive. we have people now believe believing that the state of israel is an unlawful state and forgetting the fact it was set up forgetting the fact it was set ”p by forgetting the fact it was set up by the united nations. we have people destroying wants and destruction paintings of destruction of paintings of people. they disagree with. it is about the spirit of the jews from israel . and what people from israel. and what people don't forget is if you get rid of israel , then where else are of israel, then where else are they going to come from? at the people and jews have gone. who is next? >> well, i think anyway, i don't know why everyone just can't live together peacefully in one unhed live together peacefully in one united space. why does one person need one space another in

israel? rubbing israel? they're all rubbing along , so i don't along quite nicely, so i don't know why that couldn't be extended. david extended. extended. david baum, thank much. there thank you very much. she's there in my great in watford. he's my great british me. british voice. you're with me. i'm akua . is news i'm nana akua. this is gb news on on digital on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up in the next houn radio. coming up in the next hour. my great british debate, i'm should it be law i'm asking, should it be law that women's only spaces be just for biological females? of course it is mother's day, so i thought we'd focus on women in the second hour. but next up, it's worldview. get the it's worldview. we'll get the latest from going on in latest from what's going on in the president joe latest from what's going on in the and president joe latest from what's going on in the and trump.)resident joe latest from what's going on in the and trump. it'sident joe latest from what's going on in the and trump. it's aent joe latest from what's going on in the and trump. it's a rematch

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held rallies in georgia, setting out their visions the future out their visions for the future . so let's over to the . so let's travel over to the united we go , speak to united states as we go, speak to the host of the politics people podcast, paul duddridge . podcast, paul duddridge. exciting stuff. paul. so what a guan. tell me what's going on. how was it ? how was it? >> it is exciting stuff. it is exciting stuff. >> yeah , now, biden held his >> yeah, now, biden held his state of the union address this week, and i have to give it to him. he was great. >> he was great. >> he was great. >> he was great. >> he did really well for 55 minutes. it's funny , he stumbled minutes. it's funny, he stumbled once in the middle of it and trump tweeted, drugs are trump tweeted, oh, the drugs are wearing off. >> we now a we now have >> so we now have a we now have a presidential candidate, a nominee. >> pretty much, a nominee accusing his rival of being needing to be drugged up to give the state of the union address. so that happened this week. trump handed over $91 million to begin the appeal against the e jean carroll case. as i was saying two weeks before, he's probably going to win on appeal

all these legal cases, but he has be able to come up with has to be able to come up with the cash to be able to mount an appeal. the cash to be able to mount an appeal . this is how the cash to be able to mount an appeal. this is how lawfare works. he now, in the next two weeks, has to come up with half $1 billion to appeal the case where his business licenses have been revoked in new york. so we have that to look forward to. >> so he is being holed below the waterline as far as his actual flow goes. actual cash flow goes. >> is how this presidential >> this is how this presidential campaign fought campaign is being fought currently . but i have to say, currently. but i have to say, i have to give it to biden this week. and listen, i am suddenly a biden supporter. i want that man eulogised . i want him man eulogised. i want him carried shoulder high. i want him the opponent . i want him to be the opponent. i want him to be the opponent. i want him to be the opponent. i want him to be the candidate for the dems. there was a few weeks back there was worried that dems. there was a few weeks back thewas was worried that dems. there was a few weeks back thewas going was worried that dems. there was a few weeks back thewas going tois worried that dems. there was a few weeks back thewas going to be forried that dems. there was a few weeks back thewas going to be replaced.t he was going to be replaced. i think biden's come out fighting just his own candidacy just to save his own candidacy in the democrat party. i think he wants be the candidate . he he wants to be the candidate. he wants to be the nominee. this is all going to come down to 100,000 six, in six 100,000 votes in six, in six battleground states in november. so a lot of the rest of it's

just theatrics, but we all have to hope and pray that biden is the candidate . so i'm supporting him. >> the worst kamala harris in all of this, because she resurfaced momentarily . resurfaced momentarily. >> did you see did you see any of the, the state of the union? she was brilliant. she got up, she stood up. she gave a one woman standing ovation to biden on every time he got a full sentence out, a coherent sentence out, a coherent sentence , she stood up and sentence, she stood up and applauded it. so she is being a great cheerleader for, for joe biden at this point. great cheerleader for, for joe biden at this point . she's. but biden at this point. she's. but look, the thing about kamala harris is she knows that she's not wanted by her own party to replace biden or to likely be the, vice presidential candidate if biden is replaced. so she knows that she's very much just keeping she's a seat warmer at this point. she's not, politically significant any kind of again , a few months ago, it of again, a few months ago, it looked like she was maybe being groomed to take over from joe. she's now being sidelined just

cheerleader now at this point. >> so what have we got to look forward to next? >> next? well, the supreme court this week, finally declared that trump cannot be kept off any ballots . okay. so we've got ballots. okay. so we've got we've got the prospect now of nobody can stop him becoming the nominee and actually running in every single one of the, states. the next one is, as i've just mentioned, it's him coming up. it's trump. president trump . i'm it's trump. president trump. i'm going to keep calling him president trump because they call president obama. president obama trump obama still, president trump coming $1 billion. coming up with half $1 billion. this is the biggest obstacle. he's ever faced since even 2016. this is real money. and, you know, he has to basically get some money. it's almost like putting up bail. he has to get somebody to underwrite it. a bond. yeah. so that's the that's the big story between now and the big story between now and the 25th. >> he'll sell enough trainers. paul duddridge, thank you so much. that's paul duddridge ,

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top stories. the princess of wales has thanked the public for their support , as the first their support, as the first photo of the royal was published after her abdominal surgery. the image, posted on social media to mark mother's day, was taken by the prince of wales in windsor earlier on this week. sitting down, princess catherine is surrounded by her children prince george, princess charlotte and prince louis. she was admitted to hospital on january 16 and left two weeks later following a planned operation . she is expected to operation. she is expected to return to her royal duties after easter. police say an incident at buckingham palace is not being treated as terror related . being treated as terror related. armed officers detained a man in the early hours of yesterday morning after a car crashed into the gates. he was arrested on suspicion of criminal damage, then released on bail and since sectioned under the mental health act . sectioned under the mental health act. in sectioned under the mental health act . in other royal news, health act. in other royal news, princess diana's brother charles spencer says he was sexually abused from the age of 11 at boarding school .

abused from the age of 11 at boarding school. in an abused from the age of 11 at boarding school . in an extract boarding school. in an extract from his memoir published in the mail on sunday. earl spencer says he was targeted by a female member of staff at maidwell hall in northamptonshire , leaving him in northamptonshire, leaving him with lifelong demons. in a statement, the school said it's difficult to read about practices which were sadly sometimes believed to be normal and acceptable at that time. end quote . pro—palestinian quote. pro—palestinian protesters are being warned they could be lending credence to extremists . the communities extremists. the communities secretary is urging people to question which groups are organising the marches. michael gove , who is due to publish gove, who is due to publish a new official definition of extremism , told the sunday extremism, told the sunday telegraph there's no excuse for ignorance and that good hearted demonstrators need to be aware they risk fuelling hate and intimidation . a us military ship intimidation. a us military ship carrying equipment to build a temporary pier off the coast of gazais temporary pier off the coast of gaza is on its way to the middle east. us central command

confirmed the vessel, general frank s benson, set sail from virginia after president biden confirmed the us would build a floating harbour to help get more aid to gaza by sea. the un has warned that famine in the strip is almost inevitable and children are starving to death. london's jewish community has braved rainy weather to demand the release of hostages being held in gaza . will they joined held in gaza. will they joined jews around the world blowing shofars traditional ram's horns, which are normally used at the holiest moments of the jewish calendar ? the last pause in calendar? the last pause in fighting between israel and hamas was back in november , when hamas was back in november, when hamas was back in november, when hamas released more than 100 hostages. it's believed the terrorist organisation still holds around 134 people kidnapped during the october 7th attack. a number of bodies have been removed from a funeral

director in yorkshire as part of a police investigation. cordons remain in place at three branches of legacy independent funeral directors after humberside police received reports of concern for care of the deceased. the bodies have been taken to the local authority mortuary in hull while they try to establish whether any criminal offences have been committed . police have set up committed. police have set up a direct line for anyone who may be affected , and a group of be affected, and a group of mothers are staging a hunger strike outside parliament. the five day protest aims to draw attention to parents who can't afford to eat, and therefore skip meals, so they can feed their children. a list of demands include enforcing free school meals and universal credit to guarantee life's essentials. mps are due to address this issue on tuesday. and finally , cars that don't and finally, cars that don't comply with london's ulez rules can now be donated to ukraine under the scrappage scheme .

under the scrappage scheme. mayor sadiq khan says from next week, drivers who give up their vehicles will be able to apply for grants of up to £2,000. kyivs mayor vitali klitschko, reportedly suggested the idea of exporting the cars in a letter to his counterpart. a charity will facilitate the move. the donated vehicles will be used to support humanitarian and medical needs. support humanitarian and medical needs . for the latest stories, needs. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts back to . nana. slash alerts back to. nana. >> good afternoon. thank you very much, ray. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next hour, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now . this show is all right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's theirs, and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times we will disagree, but no one will be

cancelled . so joining me today cancelled. so joining me today is broadcaster and journalist danny kelly. and author and broadcaster christine hamilton. now, still to come, sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone who's had an extremely career an extremely interesting career to life after to take a look at. life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learnt on what comes next on outside today. next on the outside today. imagine fashion model, imagine being a fashion model, successful entrepreneur and a former politician. all rolled in one. exactly. none of our politicians look like this lady. well, my next guest ticks all the boxes . we'll speak on her the boxes. we'll speak on her roots in rural norway to the glitz and glamour of the fashion world you won't want to miss. now on way next. then now she's on the way next. then for the great british debate this i'm asking, should this hour, i'm asking, should i, should women's should it be a law that women's only be for only spaces be just for biological females ? former prime biological females? former prime minister liz truss is pushing a bill aimed safeguarding bill aimed at safeguarding women's only spaces for biological females. women's only spaces for biological females . she's biological females. she's seeking to define sex in law, aiming to maintain single—sex spaces like schools, toilets exclusively for girls and women.

so should it be a law? and as ever , get in touch. email gb ever, get in touch. email gb views at gb news. com or tweet me at . gb news. right. so each me at. gb news. right. so each sunday at five, i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting career to take a look at. life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons learnt . what comes next on the learnt. what comes next on the outside. so now in the world of beauty and entrepreneurship, my next guest is making waves with their innovative approach and dedication to empowering women worldwide. born and raised in the norwegian city of. i can't say that kristiansund. i hope i've said that right. she's not just a fashion model and influencer, but has a vision of making a difference, and she's had that image from that vision from a very young age. but wait, there's more. she's also been a force in politics, becoming the youngest politician in youngest elected politician in norway at just 18 years old. any guesses ? well, i'm pleased to

guesses? well, i'm pleased to say that sara nelson joins me now. sara, welcome. >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you. thank you. >> you look your teeth. >> you look your teeth. >> thank you. the same. you look fabulous. so talk to me then. >> you are. you are born in norway . is >> you are. you are born in norway. is that right? you're born in norway, correct? talk to me about what it was like for you growing up and why you ended up of up in a route up sort of ended up in a route towards politics. >> good question , you >> very, very good question, you know, it actually started when i was a very young girl and a little boy in my class when i was 12, didn't have money for school books and i come from one of the wealthiest countries in the world. so. and i remember back then, he didn't have enough money schoolbooks because money for schoolbooks because there were eight siblings. right. so i thought, you there were eight siblings. right. so i thought , you know, right. so i thought, you know, this is so unfair, you know? and i thought, what can i do to change this? so i got elected in the youth council and together with the prime minister at that time, we got free school books to the whole country. wow. and

yeah, from there on, i got elected by the people to be the youngest, elected politician in norway . and i sat in the city norway. and i sat in the city council and the planning and building council. council and the planning and building council . so, yeah, it's building council. so, yeah, it's quite impressive. >> it really is. >> it really is. >> thank you . >> thank you. >> thank you. >> because you're very good looking. do you get people sort of and not believing in of looking and not believing in your ability a politician and your ability as a politician and sort sort of like, well, look sort of sort of like, well, look at you be good at, you at you can't be good at, you know, 100. >> yeah. and i think, you know, clearly , i had to overcome a lot clearly, i had to overcome a lot of challenges because as you're 18 years old, you're blonde, you're a girl. 18 years old, you're blonde, you're a girl . and, you know, you're a girl. and, you know, when you're sitting there with extremely conservative men beyond their retirement age. right? but it was all about making a difference for me. so it's just hard when you're judged before you even get to speak. so, i really just went all in and made a difference. and yeah, i'm happy i did. >> well, you know, and you're a role model and example to a lot of young girls who will be

looking at you and, and seeing that you've got a of that now you've got a lot of passions. i that you were passions. i know that you were horse one of them. horse riding as one of them. >> correct. >> yeah. that's correct. >> yeah. that's correct. >> yeah. that's correct. >> yeah. also, business is >> yeah. but also, business is another big one for you as well. yeah. talk to me about those. >> so basically i would say i was an entrepreneur since i was 14. i was buying and selling horses . and it's like being an horses. and it's like being an entrepreneur. you know, you're not born an entrepreneur, but it's the factors around it, the shapes you and i had a childhood that was a little bit challenging. i would say. that was a little bit challenging. i would say . and challenging. i would say. and when you take on a lot of responsibility at the young age , responsibility at the young age, you want to become independent. and me, it was just i had and for me, it was just i had the ambition and the drive of, i just wanted to do something for myself. and then obviously, you know , business comes with know, business comes with problem solving. so i spotted gapsin problem solving. so i spotted gaps in the market, like when i was 14, buying and selling horses. and then i started creating value for customers .

creating value for customers. and that's when i saw that i actually earned a lot of money from it well . and not only is from it as well. and not only is it that love, you it something that you love, you know be your passion, know it has to be your passion, but also get from it but you also get money from it and it gives you freedom, you know? >> did you go to university in any of those things? >> so i, in order to actually learn more about the asian business culture, i chose to study in singapore at nanyang technological university, and learn about the asian business culture as a whole . and culture as a whole. and singapore is one of the biggest, you know, economic hubs in the world. and china in general. so ichose world. and china in general. so i chose to study there . and now i chose to study there. and now actually, i have a company that, you know , is related to china. you know, is related to china. >> that's very good, isn't it? yeah. so your latest business venture, what is it? >> so the latest is actually miss missy, obviously we've invested in, you know, different start—ups and property development, but this is something that i have driven an

ambition for. you know, this is my passion , so what is it? it is my passion, so what is it? it is a this is a hairbrush. so we are creating , like, different creating, like, different brushes for the hair, but this one is different because obviously you want to make a difference . it has to be difference. it has to be different from everything else. so most brushes in today's market, they solve one problem, i wanted to solve more than one problem. and usually it opens the nuts in a delicate way, but also it stimulates to hair growth. so i thought, you know, who would want that? everyone would want that. yeah. >> i bolt underneath this, i want it. no, i'm not bald. underneath his hair. i've still got hair. i can tie hair on or stick her hair onto as well. i've got it all. i've got it all going on. so can i have look going on. so can i have a look at this so is you at this then? so this is you designed product. designed this product. >> designed it? but you >> did you designed it? but you can want to. and >> did you designed it? but you can me want to. and >> did you designed it? but you canme it want to. and >> did you designed it? but you canme it was want to. and >> did you designed it? but you canme it was about1t to. and >> did you designed it? but you canme it was about the». and for me it was about the packaging , the whole, you know,

packaging, the whole, you know, when open it's the when you open it, it's the quality of it as well. it's like when you an iphone box. when you open an iphone box. right. it's very nice. right. and you can try it as it's yours. it's for me. yeah >> so you've got these could flatten this wig. this week's gone unruly since i washed it. >> all right. >> all right. >> three weeks ago . >> three weeks ago. >> three weeks ago. >> and now it looks beautiful. thank you very much. it looks beautiful , isn't it? beautiful, isn't it? >> so you designed this product. and what's so. because, you know, to me it looks like a hairbrush. i can feel there's other bits in there that make it feel different. what your feel different. what was your strategy what what strategy behind it and what what why than the others why is it better than the others in your view? >> so basically if we start from the beginning, like i was a hair model on, in on a catwalk in paris and they've completely ruined my hair, so i thought you know, i tried all the brands on the market, all the shampoos , the market, all the shampoos, brushes, everything you can ever imagine and i thought, nothing is good enough, you know? so i thought, you know, this is what is needed. and i tried. i

actually went to china and on my own, you know, and, i started developing, developing this product that was, you know, creating value for people, like, not only to open the hair nets because, you know , for me, i because, you know, for me, i have thinner hair, you know, so it can break easily. so i wanted something that could open the knots , you know, with avoiding knots, you know, with avoiding breakage but also stimulate to, to hair growth. so yeah, you're going to use it and take it home. >> when i take this off, i'll give it a go on my own. >> right. >> right. >> the bits that i have left, it's beautiful. >> no, i do actually have hair. thank thank goodness. thankfully, thankfully. >> so is this so just out of interest because obviously. so now you've become an entrepreneur. this is your thing, this is out now that people can get hold of and that. >> yes. and we are . so i started >> yes. and we are. so i started in norway. i see and it was a success. but it's only 5 million people in norway. so i thought, you know, my husband is from uk

and i thought, you know, i saw a lot of sales to uk. so now we are expanding to uk and, yeah, we're developing a lot of new great products. so yeah , it's great products. so yeah, it's exciting isn't it. right. it is fun. it's really fun . fun. it's really fun. >> well listen, it's so good to meet you and to hear your business strategy and how you're moving advice business strategy and how you're movingyou advice business strategy and how you're movingyou give advice business strategy and how you're movingyou give otherjvice business strategy and how you're movingyou give other young would you give to other young girls or women who are looking to because you started off very early and some people would think 14 think that, well, 14 that's a bit young. wouldn't start what bit young. i wouldn't start what advice give to people, advice would you give to people, and there pearl wisdom and is there a pearl of wisdom that pass to somebody that you could pass to somebody that you could pass to somebody that you've learned? >> yes, so everyone has something to say about what you do. i've learned , i do. so what i've learned, i always listen to people, but that doesn't mean i will do what they say. so i would listen, and then i go and do whatever i want to do anyway. and unless it's a person that is where you want to be, then i wouldn't listen and go ahead and do what you want to do. and always surround yourself

with positive, inspiring people because remember, you become like the five closest people to you . you. >> so basically don't take advice from a bald barber. no 100. thank you so much . so stop 100. thank you so much. so stop you to meet you. >> thank you. the same. >> thank you. the same. >> that is sara nelson. she's got a new product out as well which fabulous. an which is fabulous. she's an entrepreneur . that entrepreneur. and that was outside gb nana outside here on gb news nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. so if you're just tuned in, welcome on board. you've tuned in just in time to hear about a chance to enter our latest great british giveaway, where win giveaway, where you could win £12,345 , 12345 in cash and a £12,345, 12345 in cash and a whole host of seasonal treats . whole host of seasonal treats. >> we're springing into spring and giving you the chance to win the seasonal essentials . first. the seasonal essentials. first. there's an incredible £12,345 in tax free cash to be won, plus a spnng tax free cash to be won, plus a spring shopping spree with £500 in shopping vouchers to spend in

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doesn't, if she doesn't call me, something's bad, like my makeup or gone but or something's gone wrong. but this gb news on tv, online this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. and it's time the great british time now for the great british debate i'm debate this hour. and i'm asking, law that asking, should it be law that women's only spaces should be only biological females , as only for biological females, as liz truss seems to think? so she's forward a private she's putting forward a private member's bill aimed at safeguarding women's only spaces for biological females, and the bill seeks define sex in law bill seeks to define sex in law as biological, aiming to maintain single—sex spaces like school toilets exclusively for girls and women. the former prime minister argues that such legislation would protect vulnerable children from making irreversible decisions regarding their bodies and provide clarity to parents and teachers. amidst a campaign of misinformation from extreme trans activists. so for the great british debate this hour , i'm asking should it this hour, i'm asking should it be law that women's only spaces should be just for biological females? well, joining me now to discuss katy, jon went diversity and inclusion facilitator emma webb, commentator webb, political commentator charlie bentley asked her commentator and writer, right.

so i'm going to start with katy. jon, when katy, what do you think , well, i think she's think, well, i think she's trying trying to actually undo or change the equality act. essentially. there's actually already sufficient exceptions in the equality act that allow single—sex spaces to be preserved. and it's just that people have got so scared of actually utilising them that trying to actually create a law that actually says what something already exists is pointless, really. and i think she's just coming back from america with something, you know, an axe to grind there that in a dying kind of months of a, of a government that is most quite to the next quite likely to lose the next election. it's kind of election. it's, it's kind of political point scoring on something that's not going to pass. something that's not going to pass . and there's enough. so the pass. and there's enough. so the ehrc has already given enough guidance to say you can use these exceptions in law and you can preserve single—sex spaces already. so use the act's entitlements that already are present. >> emma webb emma i think katie

makes a good point. >> and actually we do have a problem , with parliament problem, with parliament creating unnecessary legislation . however, i do think that the objectives behind what liz truss is asking for, are absolutely well placed. and you mentioned adoption. the concern to do with misinformation. what she's referring to there is, the fact that you have this, very radical, all gender ideologue, activist groups who misrepresent the equality act to institutions and to schools as, as one example, to suggest that actually the equality act means something other than what it actually means, which is protecting same sex spaces, and also that has a as a knock on effect for safeguarding concerns. so i do think it's very important that it's absolutely crystal clear in law that sex is biological and that we do protect same sex spaces because it's in so many ways

it's vital for safeguarding, particularly in schools . particularly in schools. >> okay, charlie, charlie , i >> okay, charlie, charlie, i find myself agreeing with both the panellists . the panellists. >> actually, though, i would suggest that the equalities act should be changed, but to it's become a layer upon layer of different rights. and so we've got to the situation where individual's rights, be they trans identifying or women or, or other minorities, but up against each other and end up getting the situation. we're in a stalemate and we have two situations, an individual case. and that's no good because then many people end up coming to the to the courts. and so i think we need to be stripping, stripping the act back in fact. and so when we say protect women's spaces, in fact it should just be single—sex spaces, including men as well. females should not be in male spaces . be in male spaces. >> so what's happened here is it's all part of a separating

gender from sex. so then we can say that gender is different from sex when it isn't really. let's be honest. i mean, in my view, either man or view, it's you, either man or woman. that is male woman. and that is male or female. and is there female. and the gender is there is separation. because is no real separation. because if who says if you ask anybody who says that, allowable, what is that, that is allowable, what is a they then can't a woman, they then can't define it. can't biology, it. if they can't use biology, there's then there's no definition, and then it or and it becomes a feeling or and that's just not real. that's not a reality. do you think that a reality. so do you think that protect protects transition? >> sorry . >> sorry. >> sorry. >> go on. »- >> go on. >> kc the equality is very good. important point here though. the equality act protects sex and it protects transition. it doesn't protects transition. it doesn't protect gender per se . so you protect gender per se. so you don't have to necessarily or exclusively separate out sex and genden exclusively separate out sex and gender. we have the gender recognition act, which is a separate act. and then the equality act protects of equality act protects the act of transition . and you can you can transition. and you can you can fully understand and accept sex. and in fact, you cannot transition without me. for example , admitting that i am of example, admitting that i am of the male sex because the only way to transition is to

transition from sex you transition from a sex and you don't actually become the other sex you you get the protected characteristic of transition. you gain the kind of the legal coven you gain the kind of the legal cover. if you then go down the path of the gender recognition act. but the law, the equality act, protects the act of transition . and yes, as charlie transition. and yes, as charlie says, that means then you end up with these butting up against other aspects single other aspects of single sex, etc. but the other law that needs to be borne in mind as well is the piece said the pubuc well is the piece said the public sector equality duty. there obligation to there is an obligation to actually foster good relations between all the protected characteristics , and the one characteristics, and the one thing we don't have right now is good relations them , and good relations between them, and that public sector duty well. >> but do think liz truss >> but do you think liz truss has point, though, because has got a point, though, because of these different of all of these different elements and areas? there's a lot confusion and just to lot of confusion and just to clarify it, without any possible doubt that that needs to be set up in law so that there's none of this, because i find a lot of the, the, the head butting is because misinterpretations of because of misinterpretations of what is and gender is and

what sex is and gender is and this and that. and it just becomes confusing. so emma webb, do you think that liz truss, because you did say that she sort makes good point. it's sort of makes a good point. it's it just makes it clear for everybody biology trumps everybody that biology trumps anything yeah anything else. yeah >> and it needs to be crystal clear in law. and this is actually the point about the guidance that's coming in this week that it's not statutory. we need this to be on a statutory footing because it's important for schools and for parents for and people who are in positions of authority to have the government and the laws backing on this because they are so vulnerable to these extremely aggressive activist groups who are an agenda which is, are pushing an agenda which is, frankly, an attack on truth. it's an attack on biology, it's an attack on reality. and actually, have lot actually, i have a lot of respect for katie, for, for, for even though disagree on many even though we disagree on many things, for pointing out the simple reality that even if you do go through the, the process of getting a gender recognition certificate and, and transitioning from a man into a woman or a woman into a man, that does not make you the

opposite biological sex and i think it's given what we and we know, this is going to be on andrew doyle's show this evening , this leak from the w path or however, however that's supposed to be abbreviate id, files. i think that there are huge , huge think that there are huge, huge concerns and very particularly safeguarding concerns . so this safeguarding concerns. so this is not just about protecting women's only spaces . liz truss women's only spaces. liz truss is also asking for a ban on giving puberty blockers to children. and given the concerns around the ability of a lot of these young people, particularly same sex sex attracted young people to give their consent to these sorts of medicalised procedures hours. i think this is extremely important and it's very timely. >> final word to you, charlie . >> final word to you, charlie. >> final word to you, charlie. >> oh, i've never been on such an agreeable panel, i am with emma and that these things need to be clarified in law. now. however, i personally would like

to get back to a state in which we stop having the government dictate these things from the top down. we should be able to be in that kind of, societal relationship where we can say that something is true , that that something is true, that something is common sense, and not have to take that to a court of law to adjudicate and come back exactly the same point. >> yeah, i hear you and i would agree with that. it just seems that has so that everything has become so litigious common sense and litigious when common sense and reality, all see, reality, which we can all see, should trump that. should really trump all of that. well, listen, you so much well, listen, thank you so much for it was very for your thoughts. it was very agreeable really, which is a little fine little bit annoying. that's fine .thank little bit annoying. that's fine . thank you so much, katie. john went diversity inclusion went diversity and inclusion facilitator . emma webb, facilitator. emma webb, political commentator, and charlie bentley asked her commentator and writer, thank you so much for your thoughts. so do you think? it's just so what do you think? it's just gone 30 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital i'm nana akua digital radio. i'm nana akua coming up. we'll continue with the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, it hour. and i'm asking, should it be women's spaces

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? this is gb 7 this is gb news. on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. and it's time now for the great british debate . this hour. great british debate. this hour. i'm asking, should it be law for women's only spaces to be just for biological females, as liz truss championing a bill that truss is championing a bill that would define single sex or sex in law as biological, the former prime minister believes that this would ensure spaces like toilets remain single sex, which she which would safeguard women and girls. so for the great british debate this hour, do you want to switch off your phone? you don't answer will you know, don't answer it, will youit wasn't answering it. >> it wasn't answering it. >> it wasn't answering it. >> answered it. >> she answered it. >> she answered it. >> i'm. i phoned somebody by >> no, i'm. i phoned somebody by mistake. i'm. they answered. don't mistake. i'm. they answered. dorthey answered it. >> they answered it. >> they answered it. >> i'll tell who it was. actually. >> no actually. >> no actually. >> on. well liz truss's >> go on. well liz truss's adviser never. i promise. >> really? what did she say? answer it. bring her back . no. answer it. bring her back. no. oh, you rang her back? >> i rang him by mistake. >> i rang him by mistake. >> video call. i saw his forehead. >> so sorry, jonathan. >> yes. i'm so sorry, jonathan. if you're watching, i do

apologise. i just pressed something mistake . i know, something by mistake. i know, jonathan, know i apologise, jonathan, you know i apologise, but can. jonathan, you know i apologise, butwe're can. jonathan, you know i apologise, butwe're c right. jonathan, you know i apologise, butwe're c right . yeah. i >> we're all right. yeah. i wasn't it to wasn't expecting it to degenerate can degenerate into this. can i thank somebody ? no. oh, i'm so thank somebody? no. oh, i'm so sorry. should be sorry. i'm asking. should it be law ? i've got a present for you law? i've got a present for you later anyway. danny. >> oh, one of your fantastic hairbrushes. >> how did you know you've taken my punchline. honestly, he hasn't the air right. so hasn't got the air right. so should it be law that women's only spaces be forjust only spaces be for just biological females? so joining me to discuss author and me to discuss is author and broadcaster christine hamilton, and also broadcaster and journalist kelly, but i'm journalist danny kelly, but i'm definitely going to start with, christine on this one because she's a woman. what do you think, 100. >> liz truss is absolutely right on as has been in the on this, as she has been in the past about other things. of course right. we've got to course she's right. we've got to protect young girls . apart from protect young girls. apart from anything else. it isn't just people. it isn't just women who want their own spaces. men want their own spaces. there's a classic example that's been mentioned in the press about these. the swimming ponds at hampstead. there is a male pond

and there is a female pond, and women are not allowed in the male pond except on christmas day, where a joint day, where they have a joint freezing cold swim. and men are obviously not allowed in the female pond. it's just absurd. and we've got to protect young children from predators in children from predators when in the days when jan morris, the early days when jan morris, everybody who knows anything about this subject will have heard of jan morris, there was no problem. nobody had any problem with jan morris using. >> she was the first. >> she was the first. >> was the very first man >> she was the very first man who and brilliant who transitioned and a brilliant writer, person, both writer, an amazing person, both as a man and as a woman. nobody had any problems about that. but we've now got people i probably better not mention them. but we all know the s s the male sam somebody, sam smith, i didn't know i was allowed to mention so much. pushes the boundaries and just because you stick on a skirt put on a wig the skirt and put on a wig and the isle of up in scotland isle of woman up in scotland does entitle you to into does not entitle you to go into female only spaces. >> but i don't think smith >> but i don't think sam smith goes female only spaces. goes into female only spaces. he's a they do see a they

he's a they do see he's a they say he's not a chief. >> i can't call him but we've got we've to close. no, got to we've got to close. no, we've to close. at the we've got to close. at the moment are of moment there are plenty of loopholes. we've got to close the and got to the loopholes and we've got to cancel the excesses of the extreme trans ideologues . that's extreme trans ideologues. that's what we've got. and that's what this, this, this was sam smith. >> just apologies. we know you're not a she. you're a they. >> yes i'm sorry sir. that's why he's no they are they he's a he. no they are they okay. that's why okay. well that's why i hesitated mention him. i hesitated to mention him. i wasn't his wasn't going to mention his name. name ? his name. name. her name? his name. >> he's bloke. >> no, he's a bloke. >> no, he's a bloke. >> name. he's bloke. >> their name. he's a bloke. >> their name. he's a bloke. >> bloke. >> he's a bloke. >> he's a bloke. >> know what i mean? >> do you know what i mean? people just a wig and people who just put on a wig and a think they can march a skirt and think they can march into ladies. >> geezer. no, no, no. >> he's a geezer. no, no, no. but you get many blokes who but do you get many blokes who just wig and a skirt just put on a wig and a skirt who you? you who go into you do. do you? you do. any of this. do. i didn't know any of this. >> you they're of >> you see, they're accused of rape. they're found of rape. they're found guilty of rape. they're found guilty of rape a woman. i rape and oops, i'm a woman. i need to a woman's prison. need to go to a woman's prison. >> hold one thing. >> well, hold on one thing. >> well, hold on one thing. >> that. >> stop all that. >> stop all that. >> let's just >> but let's just let's just clarify don't mean that clarify that we don't mean that trans all predators. trans people are all predators. that's you mean. that's not what you mean. oh, god. not. that's not what you mean. oh, gocthat's not. that's not what you mean. oh, gocthat's notyt. that's not what you mean. oh, gocthat's not what i mean. >> that's not what i mean. >> that's not what i mean. >> what said because

>> not what i said because someone out of someone could take that out of context. the point? context. you see the point? the point making context. you see the point? the pcthat making context. you see the point? the pcthat people making context. you see the point? the pcthat people who making context. you see the point? the pcthat people who are naking context. you see the point? the pcthat people who are genuinely is that people who are genuinely seriously that's different. serious, then that's different. but are some who just put but there are some who just put on and and unless on a wig and a skirt and unless you but unless you you clarify, but unless you clarify law, you will clarify it by law, you will always have these trans ideologues always have these trans ideologueabout boundaries? >> what about boundaries? >> what about boundaries? >> moment , there's >> at the moment, there's an onune >> at the moment, there's an online between rowling online spat between jk rowling and willoughby . yes. now and india willoughby. yes. now india willoughby. >> well, he has the appearance of a woman. so would you object to the wig ? is that a wig that to the wig? is that a wig that he wears? indian willoughby, have the his own hair have you seen the his own hair isn't it. no. have you. >> paid it. >> he paid for it. >> he paid for it. >> have you seen pictures of >> have you seen the pictures of india jonathan willoughby. his was jonathan. he >> his name was jonathan. he looks identical, a bit younger, but blonde. well i didn't but with a blonde. well i didn't know it was a wig. now, for all intents and purposes, that looks like looks like like that. he looks like a woman. would object to india woman. would you object to india willoughby going into a changing room? >> well, yes, because you would . >> well, yes, because you would. >> well, yes, because you would. >> okay, well, that's. but but although for although it's difficult for me because the because i'm a bloke, the difference in law, india difference is the in law, india willoughby, woman willoughby, is seen as a woman because he has transitioned. >> me, is why >> but to me, this is why i think liz truss was talking about clarifying it. because

even in law you may be even though in law you may be perceived legally as a woman, biologically you are not female. so that's why. it's the so that's why. and it's the minutia of language that they're playing with, aren't they, to make sure female is now make sure that female is now being disassociated slightly now with you're saying with woman because you're saying that you have to because a woman can also be a man. because in the dictionary woman is a man can also be a man. because in th it is obvious, legally obvious. we're going to end up constantly these and constantly having all these and people are going to be pushing the boundaries. just a sheer devilment. think devilment. but also, i think that, particular that, in this particular instance , i think it's so instance, i think it's so essential that somebody comes along and is clear about the whole situation, because this is a compromise, like , you a compromise, though, like, you know, if you have your way, you have, you know, that's the trouble. let me qualify >> no. okay, let me qualify long. qualify the long. let me qualify the question. through question. if you go through surgery, isn't would that surgery, isn't that would that

not a compromise . because not be a compromise. because that person i get that, i get that person i get that, i get that that's why they're saying female biological part this female biological part of this is, that people is, is the threat that people perceive and feel, isn't it? so would you feel threatened by somebody who had an operation and walked in with a blonde wig on and is lovely stilettos. >> you open parameters then? >> you open the parameters then? >> you open the parameters then? >> no, no, no, the parameters are specific. >> you're still enabled. somebody not be as somebody who may not be as genuine. am i going to genuine. and how am i going to check the parameters are specific? >> i've gave you the parameters. >> i've given you specific parameters. biological. female. christine >> well, i agree, danny and i mentioned jan morris earlier agreeing with me. well, you know, jan morris went when she was she, as opposed to james morris , she could walk anywhere morris, she could walk anywhere in any female set up and people wouldn't accept that. she was very recognisable because people knew who she was. she was she could have walked in and nobody would about an eyelid. would about it. an eyelid. except except. except she's famous. except. yeah, . yeah, exactly. >> so is she a he or a she? >> i'm confused. she's the transition dead. >> but she. so he's a she in

>> but she. so he's now a she in your books. >> well, no, he you asked me the question, so just saying . question, so i'm just saying. >> is surely >> well, the question is surely if, you've had a complete if, if, if you've had a complete transition and you look to all intents and purposes, like a woman my then woman, this is my point. then where go if you're not where do you go if you're not allowed to go to the to the female lavatories, you can't walk into the men's because you look like a woman. where do you go? >> the unisex toilet where anyone but they don't . anyone can go but they don't. >> changing rooms. >> changing rooms. >> have well >> they don't have those. well they >> they don't have those. well the well, then in that >> well, well then in that instance, hopefully you've instance, yeah, hopefully you've got has think got one that that has i think perhaps . but got one that that has i think perhaps. but then organisations got one that that has i think perhapzbe but then organisations got one that that has i think perhapzbe compelled ganisations got one that that has i think perhapzbe compelled ganisaticif; should be compelled to have if you changing areas , there you have changing areas, there has somewhere where has to be somewhere where you can being watched. >> this was never ever a >> but this was never ever a problem past. then problem in the past. and then we're infinite we're talking about an infinite decimal number of people who are genuinely and it's genuinely trans. and it's because of the ideologues who have pushed too far, and have pushed it too far, and people just. people who just. >> okay, but this show is nothing without. >> we've got to have >> that's why we've got to have a codify. a law to codify. >> thank you for agreeing with me as well. >> wm w— >> we need to be specific. let's welcome of our british welcome two of our great british voices, opportunity voices, their opportunity to be on show us what

on the show and tell us what they about the topics they think about the topics we're go to we're discussing. let's go to judy bedfordshire. julie we're discussing. let's go to judy julie bedfordshire. julie we're discussing. let's go to judy julie tom edfordshire. julie we're discussing. let's go to judy julie tom harwooda. julie we're discussing. let's go to judy julie tom harwood . julie we're discussing. let's go to judy julie tom harwood . what do with julie tom harwood. what do you is this trust right. with julie tom harwood. what do yotwe is this trust right. with julie tom harwood. what do yotwe needs this trust right. with julie tom harwood. what do yotwe need specificht right. with julie tom harwood. what do yotwe need specific biological do we need specific biological female only spaces ? female only spaces? >> i really don't think she is. i hate to disagree with everybody, but realistically, what are we doing this for? is it for safety or is it just so biological ? women have got biological? women have got somewhere that they can go and chat girly things about? for me, women can be just as predatory as men. so if it's safety, then how do you police that ? just how do you police that? just because somebody has transitioned doesn't necessarily mean they think like a woman. i don't really know how this law is going to segregate people in the way that i think liz truss wants to segregate people. >> well, you say that women could be equally, equally predatory. true. but in much smaller numbers. so that's the difference. but actually the bottom line is men are physically stronger and we don't want to get ourselves in the in the hole sort of. men can go into women's sports and all

that. just nonsense. that. it's just nonsense. let's go alan mcneilly, al. go to alan mcneilly, al. >> hello, nana. >> hello, nana. >> hello, nana. >> hello . >> hello. >> hello. >> yeah, i'm not really 100% sure. we've had single—sex spaces for men and women for decades. for years, for very good reasons. safety, privacy and so on. were you slot in someone who's trans? i would say if they had the full transition, then that might be possible. yeah.i then that might be possible. yeah. i think where they're wearing a skirt and a wig, i think is absolutely a no no. >> so it's great grading them as to how convincing is how convincing they are or . all i convincing they are or. all i think is that it just makes it so much easier if you stick to biology and then there's none of this in between. it's just because we know a man and a woman. if you're biologically female, then that that really i think that just has to be the

ultimate. but thank you so much. i like your hair, julie. hair looks nice. nice to see you, mate. that's sir mate. all right. that's sir juue mate. all right. that's sir julie ford there alan julie ford there and alan mcneely british mcneely there. our great british voices. gb news on tv, voices. this is gb news on tv, onune voices. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up supplements sunday, where you'll the thoughts where you'll hear the thoughts of author and of my panel. author and broadcaster hamilton broadcaster christine hamilton and and and also broadcaster and journalist right journalist danny kelly. right this is stupid news. more to come

hello. good afternoon. welcome to gp news. coming up to the evening. actually, i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. so my panellists are talking, of course we celebrate mother's day today. lots of gifts and things like that. so, mother's day is a very special occasion. so let's see what my panel maker that and, you know, happy mother's day and, christine and danny. >> well. >> well. >> oh, well, i went round to see my mother. i'm blessed with the fact that my mum is still here. you are, you are. and, she means

the world to me. and she knows that. and we're taking her for breakfast tomorrow with my dad. oh, that's so lovely. yeah. we're to a don't laugh, we're going to a don't laugh, but i'm a member of a health club and, well , you but i'm a member of a health club and, well, you probably eat healthy. >> why we? healthy. » why you. >> would we laugh? >> would we laugh? >> it was directed to miss akua. >> it was directed to miss akua. >> he eats healthy food. just a lot of it. but that's good. >> we're going for breakfast tomorrow warwickshire, >> we're going for breakfast tomoriisv warwickshire, >> we're going for breakfast tomoriis in warwickshire, >> we're going for breakfast tomoriis in the warwickshire, >> we're going for breakfast tomoriis in the countywickshire, >> we're going for breakfast tomoriis in the county of:kshire, which is in the county of warwickshire. we're going to treat and treat them and spoil them and have of champagne. lovely. have a bit of champagne. lovely. and i'm fortunate to have such a great person. >> yes, you are very fortunate. i lost my mum oh, she i lost my mum in 2006. oh, she was obviously very amazing. but you sunday arose was obviously very amazing. but you people sunday arose was obviously very amazing. but you people were sunday arose was obviously very amazing. but you people were supposed arose was obviously very amazing. but you people were supposed to 'ose was obviously very amazing. but you people were supposed to go when people were supposed to go to their mother church. that's how it all happened . oh, yes. how it all happened. oh, yes. and then it's become what i don't like is the commercialisation of it. and the cost of flowers goes up like that. and cards and all that. people exploiting it. but no, i mean, it's a lovely thing to remember your mum, but i mean, i'm not a mother and i haven't got mother, hate got a mother, so i hate mothering sunday. >> i've mum. >> oh, well, i've got my mum. she'll watching akua. oh

she'll be watching nana akua. oh dear. she'll be watching nana akua. oh dear . annette. happy dear. annette. happy mother's day cute . >> she's so cute. >> right. so. but listen, hopefully you've said happy mother's day to all your moms as well. you just join me. well. if you just join me. welcome board. time welcome on board. it's time for supplements where supplements sunday, where my panel discuss the panel and i discuss some of the news the court , their news stories. the court, their eyes, and christine eyes, danny kelly and christine hamilton me. danny kelly, hamilton join me. danny kelly, your your supper. >> well, is a worrying >> well, this is a worrying concern if you're german. who was that? comedian stan boardman , the germans and bombay chippy, right? basically, germany are spending billions of pounds on air because the air raid shelters because of the threat of putin now. and don't forget, germany is not a neighbour. poland neighbour neighbour. poland is a neighbour of now all the of russia, germany. now all the citizens please, citizens are saying, please, let's the cold war air let's reopen the cold war air raid shelters and let's build some more air raid shelters. they're not worried about potential developments . potential developments. >> christine hamilton in the meantime, when a defence meantime, when we have a defence crisis in this country and we can't, we haven't got enough people on the ships and we people to go on the ships and we haven't enough to haven't got enough ships to go under etc, and the under the people, etc, and the army not even an army because army is not even an army because we enough. are we haven't got enough. what are the ministry doing? the ministry of defence doing? they ditching free tea and

they are ditching free tea and biscuits. >> i thought you were going to say something serious then. >> it's, it's they >> no, it's, it's they are ditching free tea and biscuits and they have said that only events which involve international delegations will be offered a drink or food. they've got a black hole of 29 billion and warnings that their armed forces will be unable to fulfil nato commitments , fulfil nato commitments, obligations. so they ditched tea and biscuits and they think by not purchasing chocolate balls, that's everything's going to be fine. we'll have a fully equipped army, air force, navy, etcetera . etcetera. >> no biscuits. >> no biscuits. >> well, listen to me. unbelievable. my unbelievable. well, my supplement i've got supplement is. and i've got to say, is memoir. say, this is a memoir. it's a diana, diana's brother , earl diana, diana's brother, earl spencer reveals in his memoir he's shocking abuse and he's revealed shocking abuse and beatings at the school that was £32,000 a year. and i was reading about this and, you know, he said that even after he left, he hadn't actually realised that what happened realised that what had happened was until he then was abuse until he then he then later what it was later understood what it was about. is a memoir, not about. and that is a memoir, not bear.

about. and that is a memoir, not bear . this is a real memoir. bear. this is a real memoir. it's incredible. and he's written and he's written that. >> so it's almost i read it this morning. it is almost unbelievable what he went through. and okay, it was some time ago because he was 12 and he's he is now . time ago because he was 12 and he's he is now. but he's whatever he is now. but even then, fact that that even then, the fact that that could and didn't leak could happen and it didn't leak out to because his parents were divorcing whole thing divorcing and the whole thing was a nightmare. it read it, everybody. absolutely horrific. >> i will be reading that. >> i will be reading that. >> horrifying. >> horrifying. >> well, listen on today's show, we've been asking, we a we've been asking, do we need a new definition for islamism? well, let's see what you think. according to our twitter poll, 55% of you say yes, 45% of you say no. but quickly read this on regard to being a woman. john says, no matter what, nip and tuck a man has, he's always been male it . emma tuck a man has, he's always been male it. emma says male and that's it. emma says there should be no need to ask for women's space, women's spaces, biological women. of course our own course we should have our own space loos , etc. space changing rooms, loos, etc. i'm up with it. yes, i'm i'm fed up with it. yes, i'm with you thank so much. with you too. thank you so much. my and broadcaster my panel author and broadcaster christine hamilton also broadcast star and journalist

danny kelly. and a huge thank you at home for your you to you at home for your company. up next, it's neil oliver at seven. it's free speech nation, and at nine it's mark dolan tonight. don't don't not miss that george galloway interview. i will leave you interview. but i will leave you with the weather. enjoy. have a fabulous week and thank for fabulous week and thank you for joining me . joining me. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news. weather on. gb news. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. we're looking ahead to the new working week . it's looking ahead to the new working week. it's going remain week. it's going to remain a fairly changeable across the country, increasingly mild. country, but increasingly mild. so as we end the weekend, we've still this area of low still got this area of low pressure charge. it will pressure in charge. it will gradually towards the gradually move towards the continent as we go through into monday, but before we get there, we've still got this area of rain stretched right across the country. it will weaken as we go through course of the night, through the course of the night, and to leave and really, it's going to leave behind of murk behind quite a lot of mist, murk and cloudy weather. but under

the cloud, not going to be the cloud, it's not going to be a night by means. most a cold night by any means. most of frost free, of us stay in frost free, coldest of the temperatures up across very north of across the very far north of scotland , so for many it's a bit scotland, so for many it's a bit of a grey, murky start out there. monday morning, some there. on monday morning, some bits pieces light bits and pieces of light rain and drizzle around, and then dunng and drizzle around, and then during the course of the day we will little bit more will see a little bit more persistent just coming in persistent rain just coming in across far west across the very far west of scotland. parts of northern scotland. and parts of northern ireland. of the ireland. brightest of the weather down towards the weather will be down towards the south—west, so in any south—west, so here in any brightness see highs brightness we will see highs reaching around 11 or 12 degrees. elsewhere, temperatures reaching around 11 or 12 d

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good evening, lovely people. and welcome to the new neil oliver show. let me know if you can spot the difference on gb news tv , online and on radio. my tv, online and on radio. my first guest this evening will be the newly minted mp for rochdale and leader of the workers party of britain, george galloway mp. he'll be joining me to talk about a lot of things. the election just past gaza, us politics, everything in between.

alan be joined by batya ungar,