good evening, lovely people. and welcome to the new neil oliver show. let me know if you can spot the difference on gb news tv , online and on radio. my tv, online and on radio. my first guest this evening will be the newly minted mp for rochdale and leader of the workers party of britain, george galloway mp. he'll be joining me to talk about a lot of things. the election just past gaza, us politics, everything in between. alan be joined by batya ungar,

sargon, who is the deputy opinion editor of newsweek and the author of the forthcoming book bad news how woke media is undermining democracy . i'll ask undermining democracy. i'll ask her exactly how we have got to where we are today. plus plenty of discussion with my most excellent panellist, the writer and commentator tom buick. but first, an update on the latest . news. >> good evening. i'm ray anderson in the gb newsroom and we start with some breaking news tonight . two people have been tonight. two people have been arrested on suspicion of preventing a lawful and decent burial in yorkshire. branch of legacy independent funeral directors in hull and east riding remain cordoned off. it's after concern for care of the deceased was reported on wednesday. humberside police says 34 bodies have now been respectfully transported to a

mortuary for formal identification . a 46 year old identification. a 46 year old man and a 23 year old woman are being questioned. they are also suspected of fraud by false representation and fraud by abuse of position. we'll bring you more on that breaking story as we get it. police say an incident at buckingham palace is not being treated as terror related. armed officers detained a man in the early hours of yesterday morning after a car crashed into the gates. he was arrested on suspicion of criminal damage , then released criminal damage, then released on bail and has been sectioned under the mental health act . under the mental health act. pro—palestinian protesters are being warned they could be lending credence to extremists. the community secretary is urging people to question which groups are organising these marches. michael gove, who is due to publish a new official definition of extremism, told the sunday telegraph there's no excuse for ignorance and that good hearted demonstrators need

to be aware they risk fuelling hate and intimidation . london's hate and intimidation. london's jewish community has braved rainy weather to demand the release of hostages being held in gaza . they joined jews around in gaza. they joined jews around the world, blowing shofars traditional ram's horns, which are normally used at the holiest moments of the jewish calendar. the last pause in fighting between israel and hamas was back in november, when hamas released more than 100 hostages. it's believed that the terrorist organisation still holds around 134 people kidnapped during the october 7th attack, a group of mothers are staging a hunger strike outside parliament. the five day protest aims to draw attention to parents who can't afford to eat, and are therefore skipping meals to feed their kids . their list of demands kids. their list of demands includes enforcing free school meals and universal credit to guarantee life's essentials. mps

are due to address the issue on tuesday . the princess of wales tuesday. the princess of wales has thanked the public for their support as the first photo of the royal was published after her abdominal surgery. the image, posted on social media to mark mother's day, was taken by the prince of wales in windsor earlier on this week. sitting down, princess catherine is surrounded by her children prince george, princess charlotte and prince louis. she was admitted to hospital on january 16th and left two weeks later. following a planned operation. she is expected to return to her royal duties after easter. for the latest stories , easter. for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now back to mr. oliver. >> words matter. the precise

meaning of words matters most of all. and one by one, those meanings are being changed right under our noses. not only are we being censored, not only are legislators here in the uk and around the world turning the screws on the freedom to speak, words themselves are being stolen, made meaningless or gelded . for most of my life, the gelded. for most of my life, the word woman referred only and precisely to an adult female human being, a human being born female with a female body. not anymore. now anyone can be a woman can insist on being described and known as a woman. can co—opt the rights and status of a woman. make free with places set aside for the privacy and safety of women. all of it, regardless, and in denial of physical, biological reality. racist is another word made slippery by modern meddling. all the way back in 1963. half a lifetime ago , doctor martin lifetime ago, doctor martin luther king jr said he wanted a world in which each individual

was judged not by skin colour, but by the content of their character. a colour blind world, if you will. not any more. now it's a prerequisite to notice skin colour first and to judge character second as often as not on the basis of that colour. discrimination against white skin is not deemed racist, but is instead virtually a requirement of meeting the demands of equity, diversity and inclusivity . equity, diversity, inclusivity. equity, diversity, inclusivity, the stuff of word salads , along with other words salads, along with other words and acronyms repeated by the powerful and meddlesome until rendered into meaningless, mind numbing cant save our nhs, flatten the curve, build back better. narrow window of opportunity esg by extremist means. whatever the establishment says it means, so that anyone and everyone might be labelled extremist if they hold and voice opinions at odds with the ideology of the day . with the ideology of the day. right and left words that used to be descriptive of political

affiliation terms everyone understood have not changed their meaning. rather, they have been rendered utterly meaningless. a nazi is anyone who disagrees with today's agenda so too a fascist, nazi, fascist and extremist are interchangeable. one size fits all labels ready to be flung in the face of anyone deemed to be speaking out of turn . diversity speaking out of turn. diversity and inclusivity. where once upon and inclusivity. where once upon a time, innocuous terms. now they come laden with implied threat, empowering those that use them with authority that may not be challenged for fear of attracting the aforementioned labels of nazi, fascist and extremist . but one by one, words extremist. but one by one, words are being stolen from us, or set aside for the exclusive use of those assuming authority over anyone they don't like any dissenting voice . even the word dissenting voice. even the word truth is all but gone. no longer absolute and inviolable, the straightforward truth . now the straightforward truth. now the truth belongs to the powerful and means whatever they say it

means, and always with the flexibility to mean something else. tomorrow and then the next day. truth. what used to be meant by truth? truth for those who are otherwise powerless , is who are otherwise powerless, is now misinformation or disinformation or best of all, mal information, which is truth that doesn't fit, that isn't wanted by the powerful, inconvenient truth. anti—semitic used to be descriptive of someone who, by speech or deed, made clear he or she did not like people of the jewish faith. now its meaning has been altered until it is descriptive, as well of anyone opposed to actions of the state of israel , even anyone the state of israel, even anyone with questions to ask about the legitimacy of those actions. jewish people opposed to the actions of the state of israel are also liable to be labelled anti—semitic in this way. has anti—semitism been devalued to the point where its ancient power to discourage racism is all but gone? the word democracy is little more than the punchline to a joke. in the

united states , in this year of united states, in this year of a presidential election, politicians have learned to say that democracy itself is on the ballot, which is ironic given that the intention is to have one name on the ballot and one name only. other names banned. the name of donald j. trump removed altogether. the word democracy has had its meaning turned inside out upside down to be democratic now is to ensure the delivery of power into the hands of the few. and to hell with the wants of the many . last with the wants of the many. last week in the uk, the pm rishi sunak hurried back to london in the aftermath of a by—election in the english town of rochdale. he stood at a podium outside number 10 and said the majority secured by george galloway, leader of the workers party and illegitimate candidate by any measure, was beyond alarming . he measure, was beyond alarming. he said change can only come through the peaceful democrat process, except were left to infer when elections are won by

candidates of which the establishment disapprove . as in establishment disapprove. as in 2024, we are invited to accept that the settled will of the people must not trump the will of the establishment. on thursday, in his state of the union address , the us president union address, the us president joe biden, had a lot to say about democracy. in a pitch for more weapons and money for ukraine, he invoked the memory of past presidents. roosevelt and lincoln and the civil war and lincoln and the civil war and said freedom and democracy were under attack at home and abroad. he said democracy must be defended, that the events of january, the sixth added up to a dagger at the throat of us democracy. he called for respect for free and fair elections. all of that against the background of that against the background of hundreds of billions of pounds and dollars of taxpayers money already spent. i would say laundered through ukraine. not to mention half a million ukrainian dead and counting . so ukrainian dead and counting. so much talk of democracy in the us and overseas . while us puppet and overseas. while us puppet president volodymyr zelenskyy

has silenced opposition in ukraine, silenced the media, outlawed the orthodox faith. the war in ukraine is surely a proxy war in ukraine is surely a proxy war prosecuted by nato and the us , not in defence of democracy, us, not in defence of democracy, but for political and financial gain in naked pursuit of power and influence . the us and the and influence. the us and the west have been dabbling and meddling in ukraine for years, for heaven knows how long and for heaven knows how long and for reasons yet to be made explicit. but long before any russian tanks rolled across the border in 2022. this week we learned that retiring us diplomat and war monger victoria nuland , architect of the coup nuland, architect of the coup that ousted the democratically elected president of ukraine in 2014, setting in train murderous civil war, has had a street named after her in the country. she did so much to devastate , so she did so much to devastate, so much for respect for free and fair elections . george orwell, fair elections. george orwell, the author whose words are quoted now more than most, said

political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable , and to give murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind . he said the purpose pure wind. he said the purpose of politicians was the defence of politicians was the defence of the in defensible. which bnngs of the in defensible. which brings us to the word genocide , brings us to the word genocide, a word with more explosive power than any ordnance dropped in 1945. apparently coined in 1944 by polish born us jurist raphael lemkin. in specific reference to the nazi extermination of the jewish people. the word genocide literally means the killing of a tribe. last month, the international court of justice deemed as plausible plausible accusations by the government of south africa that the state of israel was perpetrating a genocide upon the captive palestinian people of gaza. and yet and yet, despite that statement by no less a court than the international court of justice, still, the use of the word genocide in the context of what is being inflicted upon the people of gaza, well over

100,000 civilians dead, wounded, lost and counting remains controversial, to say the least. to misquote others of orwell's words, all people are equal, but some people are more equal than others. words matter. famine is a word often misused and misapplied , or at least misapplied, or at least misunderstood. it comes from a latin word that means to bring the hunger. think about that . to the hunger. think about that. to bnng the hunger. think about that. to bring the hunger. famine is most precisely used now to describe an absence of food , an absence an absence of food, an absence of food that might be interpreted as the will of god. perhaps or an accident of nature caused by drought or by blighted crops. for some, it recalls thoughts of the suffering of millions of ethiopians in the 19805. millions of ethiopians in the 1980s. others hear the word and think of ireland in the 1840s. in neither case were people starving to death for want of available food . ethiopia was available food. ethiopia was riven by brutal civil war, and one side was withholding food from the other man made

starvation as a weapon . in 19th starvation as a weapon. in 19th century ireland, the potato crop upon which the poor depended failed for years in a row on account of blight. right enough. but there was food all around, meat and vegetables abounded, grown and raised in irish fields . but instead of being given to the starving poor, it was loaded onto ships and exported. man made starvation once more back in gaza. right now, this moment gaza of the plausible genocide. people are starving to death , people are starving to death, out of sight, but not out of mind. there is food nearby by some at least. but the humanitarian aid that might preserve life, make life possible is being denied to the people of gaza so that babies have no formula. nursing mothers have no formula. nursing mothers have no formula. nursing mothers have no water. children have no bread. president biden talked this week about building a temporary pier for humanitarian aid deliveries. but what's the point? i ask, in delivering food for a few weeks of ceasefire while simultaneously unloading weapons in israel. for the moment, the firing starts once

more. all around the world, people are demanding an end to the war. in gaza, millions marched to call for a ceasefire at least, and are labelled extremists. the marches described as hate marches. hate's another word possessed or manipulated by the powerful. it's apparently up to the powerful to decide and to define what is hate, what is hateful, who is hateful, hate speech stirring up hatred. these are new crimes for the age of misinformation , disinformation, misinformation, disinformation, misinformation, disinformation, misinformation, new crimes. for a time in which the truth is, whatever the powerful say it is , whatever the powerful say it is, words matter. here's the thing if there is any truth at all in the notion that the pen is mightier than the sword, then words make the cutting edge of the blade. they are kept sharp by precise definition and use, but into meaningless but blunted into meaningless ness when redefined at the whim of the powerful, snatched out of the mouths of those who often have nothing more than words with which to make plain who they are and what they for. stand words matter. biden, so—called of the free

so—called leader of the free world, calling for more war and the defence of democracy in a country where there is no democracy. one powerful word he did not utter once was trump to powerful. perhaps, biden said. putin is on the march that europe was at risk, that the whole world was at risk. one decrepit ghoul rousing a rabble of other ghouls . it was hard to of other ghouls. it was hard to watch, harder to listen to lies and more lies. the only words that matter now are those we hardly ever hear the truth. do you feel words are being taken from us, played with, tricked around now i was relish coming on your show and listening to your monologues, i mean , you your monologues, i mean, you know, they're a great piece of wordsmithing. of course , in wordsmithing. of course, in their own right. and as you said in your monologue, words matter. but facts matter even more , in

but facts matter even more, in my view. and you seem to have reached a point , haven't we, in reached a point, haven't we, in our political discourse in this country, certainly in the united states and in others around the world, where what we're seeing is increasingly and is increasingly narrative and counter narrative ? i mean, counter narrative? i mean, you'll recall back in 2017, was it kellyanne conway who at the time was the adviser to president trump? she coined this firm alternative facts, and it seems to me we've never quite recovered from that period, that what we've got is politicians of all tribes, of all stripes, who essentially engage in a battle for the public's attention by coming up with the facts that suit their narrative, rather than having an open , honest and than having an open, honest and frank, truthful debate with us about what's really going on. >> it's the words, though, for me, you know , woman, racist, me, you know, woman, racist, anti—semitic , extremist. not so anti—semitic, extremist. not so very long ago , we all knew what very long ago, we all knew what those words meant. yeah, but now they do seem to be the

definition seems to be in the hands of those that would use them against us. >> well , george orwell said >> well, george orwell said famously in 1984, this is an example of newspeak, which leads to doublethink. and doublethink is a, you know, the ability to hold two contradictory beliefs at the same time. and this is why, i think for ordinary voters and citizens, they're so they're so they're so confused. >> you've put your finger on it. the ability to hold more than one in the head at the same one idea in the head at the same time is the essence, is the essence, and we see this playing out in relation to gender criticism and all of that. absolutely much more from tom to come. after the break, i'll be joined by the newly elected mp, george galloway, for the first part of a no holds barred in—depth interview, which will give us a more complete understanding man you're understanding of the man you're watching neil oliver show watching the neil oliver show on gb go away.

welcome back to the neil oliver show. now george galloway has just begun work once more as a member of parliament. i think it's either the seventh time or the eighth time. he brings 50 years of experience, and he's already said that he wants to oust labour's deputy leader from parliament. he was sworn in as an mp following his by—election win in rochdale last week. george joins me now. lovely to see you , sir. see you, sir. >> and you, you could call me mp again after a brief interlude of nine years. >> you just keep coming back and back, mr galloway . back, mr galloway. >> frank sinatra fair, fair to say you've put the wind up westminster by your return .

westminster by your return. >> yes, and it's, a joy to behold. not just westminster, but there, there coterie. their echo chamber in the legacy media, have temporarily , one media, have temporarily, one hopes, lost their minds, the prime minister erected, a lectern and a presumably big platform outside 10 downing street at the state's expense for an entirely party political broadcast , to which there was no broadcast, to which there was no reply, not even at prime minister's questions, where i failed to catch the speaker's eye and i no longer opened the google alerts of right wing commentators , many of them on commentators, many of them on your very channel, literally spewing hate speech at me, over me, about me . i'm not sure what me, about me. i'm not sure what i did to deserve it, but, hey, it's, question of dogs barking

and the caravan moving on. >> how do you feel about that reaction ? you know, i said at reaction? you know, i said at the top that, you know, you're you're long in the tooth when it comes to being in westminster, being in that febrile, environment, but after all of this time, with all of your experience to be confronted with that kind of reaction, a prime minister saying that it was beyond alarming as a threat to democracy , that that a democracy, that that a legitimate candidate had won a by—election on how what was your gut reaction to that ? gut reaction to that? >> well, you know, i've often been daniel in the lion's den. dare to be a daniel. dare to stand alone, used to be one of my hero. mr benn's favourite rhymes. and so i don't mind it. i'm only perplexed when it comes from unexpected quarters, as in gb news news, terms it has. but

the expected usual suspects . the expected usual suspects. it's. i relish their angst, i'm an experienced short sword fighter , as you said, for more fighter, as you said, for more than 50 years in politics. so, you know, i'm well able to handle it. the facts are tales that win a ding. as our bard said, facts can't be changed, not only did i win a crushing victory over all three big parties of the state, but they didn't even come in second, a point which they all tried to, erase, between me and a totally unknown independent unknown outside rochdale, we got almost two thirds of the votes leaving the big three. big four parties of the state to share the other third, this is a crushing rejection of the unipart , the

rejection of the unipart, the two cheeks of the same backside. who who all got a big spanking, on on thursday night past. >> what does it tell us about where we are now with politics in britain, with democracy in britain, as you say, the big two, the conservatives and laboun two, the conservatives and labour, you know, beaten back by yourself and a previously a hitherto unknown independent. what is the nature of the parlous state of politics in this country ? this country? >> well, nobody loves them that much could not be denied even by their mothers. nobody loves labour or the conservatives. sunak or starmer, quite possibly not even their mothers. and that's the first thing you have to chalk up as an uncontested fact. people still move love for them, but only out of interest, not out of love. and when the

pubuc not out of love. and when the public have a chance to vote for someone who can credibly defeat them, then they take that opportunity. and i think that, this was the straw that broke the camel's back in rochdale , the camel's back in rochdale, the, the spread of candidates, challengers, new parties, independent candidates and so on is now proceeding like wildfire. if i tell you that i have now in my pocket , more than 300 my pocket, more than 300 prospective parliamentary candidates, all paying their own election expenses, by the way, because we can't pay them more than 300 workers party parliamentary candidates . parliamentary candidates. imagine that, we didn't have 3 or 4 weeks ago now we've got more than 300. and then when you add in the independents that are

popping upi add in the independents that are popping up, growing like topsy across the country, we are talking about a challenge to the legacy parties in practically every constituency in the land, certainly many hundreds of them. and thus the, course of the next general election is radically altered , will either win seats altered, will either win seats or will stop keir starmer from winning them. thus, the outcome of the general election is dramatically, altered and all bets are off. so when i saw, for example, your own, jacob rees—mogg of your parish making a tear stained plea on gb news for people not to abandon the labour party , how much the labour party, how much the country needs the labour party as scratch my head in utter bewilderment , i must tell you. bewilderment, i must tell you. >> bear with me, george.

>> bear with me, george. >> tom buick . >> bear with me, george. >> tom buick. do you >> bear with me, george. >> tom buick . do you scratch >> tom buick. do you scratch your head in bewilderment? what do you make of the of the changes that are that are indicated, that are evidenced by mr galloway's success in rochdale ? rochdale? >> and, as he says, the possibility now of an alternative to the to the two cheeks of the same backside . cheeks of the same backside. >> like a lot of ordinary voters, i'm scratching my head at just the degree of polarisation now that exists in our society. and yes, you know, labour and the conservative party we need to take some responsibility for that kind of climate. but at the end of the day , we've also seen now elected day, we've also seen now elected to our mother of all parliaments, politicians who, you know, depending on your point of view. i mean, george galloway won the election. congratulations but to some people, he's a demagogue. and the definition of a demagogue is someone who appeals to prejudice rather than rational argument. so my retort back to george galloway is, in terms of his politics going forward, is he going to be a unifier or is he

going to be a unifier or is he going to be a unifier or is he going to continue to be a divisive force in british politics? >> george, do you see yourself ? >> george, do you see yourself? what do you or what is your reaction to being, marked as a divisive figure in british politics? >> well, i don't know who your guest is. i've never heard of him before, and i shan't stoop to answer his smear. i was elected in a democratic election with a thumping majority , in with a thumping majority, in which the two big parties of the state came third and fifth. so i don't have to answer to any unknown guest of yours. and i've got for news him, politics was divisive from the moment that democracy existed . and you democracy existed. and you decide to support this war or oppose this war, that's a division. somebody has to speak for both sides of that division .

for both sides of that division. i was kicked out of the labour party for being a leader of the movement against the war on iraq, no doubt your guest and others would have said my opposition to the iraq war was divisive, but i turned out to be right. the people pushing for the war turned out to be wrong. now, even by their own admission. and unfortunately, a million people lie dead and the extremism cascading around the world as a result of my failure to persuade enough people to oppose that war. >> george galloway, george galloway, george galloway, if you let me just interrupt there, ihave you let me just interrupt there, i have to go to a break at the moment. >> but i think we can all see that george galloway mp is back in the ring after the break. i'll be continuing my discussion with george galloway mp. don't go away.

welcome back to the neil oliver show. now, i'm lucky enough this week to have a double time with my guest, george galloway mp. so let's turn our attention to the situation in the middle east. conflict hello again. george. now, you said that what happened in rochdale, your attention on rochdale was for gaza . can you rochdale was for gaza. can you tell me what you mean and meant by that ? by that? >> well, the people who opposed the, murderous war in gaza, which has reached the stage that the highest court in the world has said that it can plausibly be described as a genocide, pretty strong and heavy charge, which the highest court in the world has sent israel for trial on, in is, so horrific to so

many millions of people in this country and indeed around the world, that it is a wonder that they are locked out of media and parliamentary opinion, no one speaks for the people out on the streets from land's end to john o'groats every other saturday, and midweeks and rain, hail, snow, nobody speaks for them in parliament. they don't get a look in, in the legacy media on the television. if they are interviewed as you're interviewing me now, they're called , divisive or demagogic called, divisive or demagogic because they want to stop children being killed , children being killed, slaughtered every day and night of the last hundred and 50 days. so there's something of a conspiracy against the voices for peace, for ceasefire, for

withdrawal from this war. and then a by—election came along, and what better place to fight to break the silence, to break the mould, than a parliamentary by—election? where in the greater manchester region alone, of which rochdale is a part? there are the best part of a million and a half or 2 million people who oppose this war. based on my extrapolation from national opinion polling , national opinion polling, attendance at protests and so on. so it became a greater manchester cause celebre and people flooded in from all over the region , and they worked day the region, and they worked day and night. vast majority of them white english people. by the way , who knocked on every door in the constituency and the rest is history. we beat the, legacy political parties out of the

park. >> george, george. >> george, george. >> but for gaza, but for events in gaza , would you even have in gaza, would you even have contemplated a return to westminster ? westminster? >> i probably would have in rochdale . i knew the deceased rochdale. i knew the deceased member of parliament very well for 40 years. i knew the town of rochdale very well, as i've been speaking in it regularly for 25 years. my daughter was born nearby. two of my sons live nearby. two of my sons live nearby and for my sins i attend old trafford in manchester every other week, so i'm deeply immersed in this part of the world. so i probably would, i probably wouldn't have if the by—election had been in, i don't know, the home counties somewhere, but in rochdale in the north—west and greater manchester, where i already knew i had a lot of support. yes i probably would. josh, tom,

someone who does have to speak up for gaza and the gazans. >> you know, you say you use the word demagogue, you use the word divisive. but surely it is true to say that with 30,000 dead, 100,000 people in total dead or wounded or lost in the rubble, someone is right to speak up for gaza, and i accept george galloway can speak up for whoever he likes. >> he's now an elected member of parliament. but with that comes a lot of responsibility. it comes , for example, not just for comes, for example, not just for the constituents of rochdale, but in terms of taking part in our national debate that we don't further tensions and sectarianism or indeed promote the idea that we should be even electing factions based on religious grounds to parliament. >> how about that, george, you and i, i think we would both concede that the britain that you and i grew up in has has radically changed in a very brief space of time. i think it's been more changed and changed more quickly than

perhaps any other country possibly ever, do you do you understand? sympathise with the anxieties, the angers, the despair that's there in many communities around the country in the face of change, that much is undoubtedly true. but i really must deal with this divisive issue. you can't sit on the fence on the plausible genocide in gaza. you're either for it or you're against it. if you're against it, you must speak against it. you must march against it, you must protest about it. and you must call out the people proselytising for it. now, if that is divisive , well, now, if that is divisive, well, what else can one do? can we try and find a cosy consensus? maybe we'll kill just people over the age of 45. maybe we'll only starve , those who are already

starve, those who are already overweight . i starve, those who are already overweight. i mean, what's starve, those who are already overweight . i mean, what's the overweight. i mean, what's the consensus? the non—divine passive approach to this ? passive approach to this? children are being killed. i'm against it. i spoke out against it. the people endorsed my stance, and that's really all there is to it. i have no responsibility to your guest to keep my criticism of a genocide within bounds. that please him. even if i were able to divine what those bounds might be. but yes, there's look, there's always been divide in politics, neal always been divide in politics, neal. i was active in my first general election at the age of ten, in 1964, when mr wilson savaged the 13th earl of hume, who was the conservative prime minister at the time, and broke

the apparently never ending rule of the upper class. concerned of patricians. it was a divisive time. the 60s were divisive , the time. the 60s were divisive, the 70s even more divisive , and they 70s even more divisive, and they didn't require me in parliament to be divisive. i've done an oral book on the 1970s, the 70s was the most extraordinary decade in modern times that our country has ever gone through. so look , politics is divisive. so look, politics is divisive. do you go this way or do you go that way and let the schools of thought contend and let the people choose between them? that's my view. >> george galloway , mp we will >> george galloway, mp we will all look forward with a great deal of fascination to see how your latest tenure in westminster will play out. >> thank you so much for your

time this evening. welcome. next, i'll be joined by batya ungar sargon, the deputy opinion editor of newsweek and the author of a forthcoming book, bad news how woke media is undermining democracy. she'll talk about why we have got to where we are and how don't go anywhere

welcome back to the neil oliver show . join me. next is batya show. join me. next is batya ungan show. join me. next is batya ungar. sargon editor, opinion editor of newsweek . she has also editor of newsweek. she has also been the opinion editor of forward, the largest jewish media outlet in america, as she has written about how woke media is undermining democracy and also about how the elites have betrayed america's working men and women. batya joins me now. good evening. how are you? >> thank you so much for having

me. this is really a pleasure and an honour to be here with you. oh thank you. >> now you've spoken and written about the abandoned moment of the working people of the united states of america by the political establishment. can you develop thought for us? develop that thought for us? >> yes, absolutely . and i think >> yes, absolutely. and i think it echoes with a lot of the themes that you talk about a lot. you know, it used to be that the democrat s in our country represented the working class and the republicans were the party of the rich and corporations and tax cuts and free trade. and what happened was the democrats abandoned the working class to cater to what i call the over credentialed college elites, people who get degrees and work in the knowledge industry. and unfortunately, the number one thing they pick up at their universities is to have contempt for people who work with their hands for a living, who work in goods and services , who do the goods and services, who do the kinds jobs that we all rely kinds of jobs that we all rely on to survive. and what

on to survive. and so then what you had one party that you had was one party that represented the rich, which was the republicans, and one party that represented the elites, the credentialed elites, was credentialed elites, which was the and that's how the democrats. and that's how sort of trump showed up and was able really speak directly to able to really speak directly to the class, the the working class, the multiracial class multiracial working class in this and say to them, this country and say to them, look, neither has a model look, neither party has a model that's working for you. the republicans believe in this trickle nonsense , and the trickle down nonsense, and the democrats basically want to cater the elites and then cater to the elites and then have large tax taxes to fund a welfare state from the bottom to sustain the poor. but neither of those models is what the working class wants, which is what they want is an economy that rewards their hard work because they work really hard. and no one was really offering that . really offering that. >> do the democrats do they even understand why donald trump appeals? has that penetrated yet? why his message is so

effective for his audience ? effective for his audience? >> it hasn't. and what we're seeing right now is an absolute reprisal of the kind of language we heard in 2016, when donald trump started to rise and you had hillary clinton talking about this basket of deplorables , which was how she called the working class that was flocking to donald trump. now you have this new book, white rural rage. they have invented this idea that the working class is racist and xenophobic in order to absolve themselves of the responsibility for having abandoned these people. and they say that they are racist because they want a national border and a trade agreement that protects their labour. this is now called racist by the elites , who of racist by the elites, who of course are never threatened by trade, are never threatened by immigrants because they work in the knowledge industry. you need a command of the language in order to do that. you can't be threatened by somebody who doesn't speak english, whereas

when working class, those when you're working class, those people are coming and they are competing in your industry. and we've seen how it has driven down working class wages. >> they are going to treat, >> if they are going to treat, if the democrats are going to treat working people with contempt , just cast them aside contempt, just cast them aside into a basket of deplorables . into a basket of deplorables. what on earth do they think the consequences of that will be? what does it mean for democracy if the democrat party doesn't seem to feel as though it needs the people, isn't that ironic? >> you know, and they took it one step further. they literally tried to get donald trump off the ballot in multiple states. can you imagine this? the side that calls itself the defenders of democracy, literally trying to get the most popular politician in the country off of the ballot. there's just so much projection going on. and unfortunately, like we said, in these elite universities, they really imbue the students with this feeling that if you don't

have that credential, if you don't have that education, they don't have that education, they don't really learn very much. you really don't deserve the franchise. they really believe that that somehow if you don't agree with them on their chosen policies , you're not just wrong, policies, you're not just wrong, but you are evil and a threat and dangerous and you must be silenced and stopped. >> but it sounds as though the repubucis >> but it sounds as though the republic is also are at least partly inhabiting that same dysfunctional bubble that , that dysfunctional bubble that, that that that political class seems to have divorced itself from the people almost in their entirety. how do they function as meaningful parties of people ? meaningful parties of people? >> you're exactly right. what looks like a political divide in america is actually a class divide. separating out the elites in politics. like you said, the elites in the media on both sides, from the people . and

both sides, from the people. and the thing i try to explain to liberals because they really don't understand it, is that the working class that votes for trump, there's one thing they hate more in america than the democrats, and it's the republican party . these are republican party. these are conservatives, and they hate the republican party because they feel that the republican party has sort of pimped them out and sold them out because they agree with them on social issues more than they agree with the democrats. and so the republicans say, okay, you know what? we can sell out your future on an economic platform because never for because you'll never vote for the democrats. we have you the democrats. so we have you hostage, they really hate hostage, and they really hate that tum book. >> sounds so familiar on >> this sounds so familiar on our side of the atlantic, doesn't it? that that way in which the political class, if they a class, have almost they are a class, have almost consciously cut themselves away from the people they are supposed to represent? you know, just do as i say and not as i do. >> absolutely. because when you look at the legislators on both sides of the pond, they're both

the class and the credentialized class and they've obviously come up on a tide of mass higher education on both sides of the atlantic, and that in itself is not necessarily the issue. i mean, what i find refreshing, actually, about our guest here is she's talking how is she's talking about how social classes , still one of the social classes, still one of the most biggest divides that holds people back in our society. so i think both parties, particularly the democratic party in the us , the democratic party in the us, needs to start attaching itself again back to that narrative in order to win over these voters that have gone over to trump. >> but what do you see lying ahead? you know, if democracy in the united states , as indeed the united states, as indeed here in the uk, is in such a parlous state, it fought? when you look in the crystal ball, do you look in the crystal ball, do you see unfolding in the months ahead of course, with the presidential election at the end of the year ? of the year? >> well, i actually feel really happy about the state of our democracy, because if you think about it , you know, democracy, because if you think about it, you know, in democracy, because if you think about it , you know, in the gop about it, you know, in the gop primary and the republican

primary, donald trump was outspent 2 to 1 by every single one of his opponents, and he still managed to win. so the electorate, by sheer force of showing up, was able to beat him. and then you look at what he's had to face from the democratic side the lawfare, the smears, the impeachments . and he smears, the impeachments. and he still managing to outperform joe biden in the polls. so i feel really good about the state of our democracy, because it does seem to me like the electorate is having its say , despite the is having its say, despite the billions and billions of dollars and institutional power that's been thrown at silencing them , been thrown at silencing them, the electorate having their say what a rebellious thought. >> thatcherite unger , sargon, >> thatcherite unger, sargon, thank you for joining >> thatcherite unger, sargon, thank you forjoining us >> thatcherite unger, sargon, thank you for joining us this evening. i hope we can pick up this conversation again in the future . you're watching the neil future. you're watching the neil oliver show on gb news and that is it for the hour on tv. so stay tuned for free speech nation. but if you're watching online, stay tuned for our

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