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that manipulated photograph of her and her kids released on mother's day, saying she was simply experimenting with editing. well, now she's facing calls to release the original. we'll have all the latest on this huge ferrari, and that's all coming up in your next hour. welcome to the show. on the start of a week, that could be absolutely monumental in british politics. been talk a long, long time . scurrilous rumours of time. scurrilous rumours of defections from the conservative party to reform. and now that day is upon us. first up the ladden day is upon us. first up the ladder. lee anderson, mp for ashfield . will others follow ashfield. will others follow rumours of nine others who are the reform? nine i'll have all the reform? nine i'll have all the inside gossip, but i want you to get in touch . email me gb you to get in touch. email me gb views at gb news. com what does this say to you about your voting intentions? will you vote

for reform now? lee has crossed oven has for reform now? lee has crossed over. has lee betrayed the conservative party? will it split the vote? does any of that matter? this is your show. please ping those views across. i'll read out the best so long as you keep them clean. but first, it's time for your latest news headlines with sam francis. >> martin, thanks very much. good afternoon from the newsroom. it'sjust good afternoon from the newsroom. it's just gone. 3:00. the top story of the day, lee anderson says that beating the conservatives at the next general election is not at the top of his agenda. he became reform uk's first mp this morning after he was suspended by the conservatives for claiming that islamists had, he said , got control of the london said, got control of the london mayor. polls suggest that around 13% of mayor. polls suggest that around i3% of voters support reform, but as recently as january, mr anderson had said it was not a proper political party. now, though, reforms newest member says the party will allow him to speak out on behalf of millions

in parliament. >> doesn't seem to understand what many british people want and quite frankly, some of them need to get out more. i made some remarks a few weeks back about the london mayor, for which i was stripped of the whip from the conservative party. and let me be clear right now, on this stage , i will not this stage, i will not apologise. it is secret that apologise. it is no secret that i've been talking to my friends in reform for a while, and reform uk has offered me the chance to speak out in parliament on behalf of millions of people up and down the country who feel that they're not being listened to . not being listened to. >> well, labour's jonathan ashworth says that it's another blow for the prime minister. >> what i think this reveals is the sheer chaos in the conservative party, a government divided from top to bottom and rishi sunak too weak to exert any authority , and a divided any authority, and a divided government cannot govern in the interests of the country. i think people have had enough of this, and after 14 years of

failure, this proves once again that it failure, this proves once again thatitis failure, this proves once again that it is time for change. >> people in mr anderson's constituency of ashfield have been speaking to gb news, giving their thoughts about him joining reform uk. >> he's probably doing it to save his own bacon, to be honest, because the people around here would probably vote for reform, so that's probably all he is doing. >> it. speaks truth and >> it. it speaks truth and that's . a lot of people don't that's it. a lot of people don't like that. so i think it's very nice and i don't have any issues about him at all. >> well, i mean, it's not my prerogative. >> what lee anderson does, but i think that it would suit his views more than the conservative party. and he's tried the labour party. and he's tried the labour party already. so yeah, i think, i think it's for him. maybe not for ashfield , but yeah, i think for ashfield, but yeah, i think it's, that's his lane . it's, that's his lane. >> now, you may have seen a photo of the princess of wales and her family released on mother's day . well, she has now mother's day. well, she has now publicly apologised for altering that photo released by kensington palace. posting to

social media earlier, she admitted that like many amateur photographers , she does photographers, she does occasionally experiment with editing, adding that she was sorry for any confusion it may have caused . the image taken by have caused. the image taken by the prince of wales was withdrawn by various global photo agencies after suspicions that a number of edits may have been made to it. nottinghamshire police has been told by a watchdog today that it must urgently produce an improvement plan after it was put into special measures. the families of barnaby webber and grace o'malley kumar have welcomed that news. the two teenagers and school caretaker, ian coates , school caretaker, ian coates, died during a spate of knife attacks in nottingham. the force has now been asked to improve how it manages and carries out effective investigations, and to put measures in place that ensure victims get the support that they need . britain has that they need. britain has secured a global agreement with politicians , us tech companies politicians, us tech companies and ministers from across the g7

today to combat international fraud. signatories at the event in london, the first international gathering of its kind , pledged to strengthen the kind, pledged to strengthen the intelligence and support of victims of fraud. they say it will ensure that there are no safe havens for financial fraudsters . the energy fraudsters. the energy regulator, ofgem, is looking at ways to protect consumers from spiralling costs amid a record number of unpaid bills. around £3.1 billion of debts are piling up as concerns grow over the high cost of household bills . high cost of household bills. it's after the price of energy in the average british home hit more than 3500 pounds a year last october. passengers on board a flight from australia to new zealand endured a terrifying mid—air moment when their plane unexpectedly dropped . 50 people unexpectedly dropped. 50 people were injured while on board that aeroplane , with witnesses aeroplane, with witnesses describing chaos inside the cabin , saying some were thrown

cabin, saying some were thrown to the ceiling with enough force to the ceiling with enough force to break the roof panels. 12 passengers were taken to hospital when the flight finally landed in auckland, with one, we understand, in a serious condition. the boeing 787. sudden loss of altitude is still being investigated. latam airlines say that technical events caused the sudden movement during that flight , and movement during that flight, and malaysia has been offered £100 million to assist in hosting the commonwealth games. the million to assist in hosting the commonwealth games . the next commonwealth games. the next games are due to take place in two years time, but they're currently without a host after melbourne pulled out, the significant financial investment would see the event return to kuala lumpur after nearly 30 years. the olympic council of malaysia says that a formal invitation has been received, but the commonwealth games federation have so far declined to comment . those are the to comment. those are the headunes to comment. those are the headlines more in the next half houn headlines more in the next half hour, but in the meantime you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code there on your screen. or if you're

listening on radio, you can go to gb news. com slash alerts. >> thank you sam ryan, let's get cracking . and of course there is cracking. and of course there is only one place to start. and thatis only one place to start. and that is a spectacular defection of red wall mp lee anderson, who has joined richard tice reform party this morning. announcing the move at a press conference earlier today. 10:30 am. anderson, of course, who was recently suspended by the conservative party for his criticised remarks about london mayor sadiq khan. in fact, they were uttered on this very show two and a bit fridays ago. sadiq khan, of course, he accused the tories of stifling free speech and he found it unpalatable and said he found it unpalatable that he'd been disciplined for speaking and he also speaking his mind and he also went on to claim that other tory mps share his views, but will not stick their heads above the parapet just yet. well, joining me to discuss this in the studio is gb news political editor, chris hope. chris, you were

there, you were taking the temperature. in fact, you were asking question lee asking the first question of lee anderson. question is, anderson. the big question is, is this a red wall revolution? the beginnings of something spectacular, a seismic moment or is it a false dawn? >> we don't know yet. we'll wait and see. and hi, martin. yeah, my first question was, i think on your programme, maybe in january , the of january. he january, the 2nd of january. he said is not the answer. said reform is not the answer. you reform you in the you vote reform you let in the labour party. said, well, the labour party. i said, well, the answer told martin daubney answer you told martin daubney that news. changed that on gb news. what's changed since ? in ten weeks, he since then? in ten weeks, he said the george galloway by—election win had changed it really well, okay. we'll take you your word for it. so you at your word for it. so other mps might be looking at galloway's wondering galloway's victory and wondering what would they what on earth should would they do thing? let's not do the same thing? let's not forget, course, he an forget, of course, he was an independent made those independent mp. he made those remarks again with you remarks on on again with you martin central all the news all the time with you . he told you the time with you. he told you on your, your on your on your, your your interview he said that, he interview show. he said that, he claimed that sadiq khan and keir starmer had been overtaken by extremists during joined those

those marches you'd been out to see. the pro—palestinian marches, and, and the concern about that. and that's why he lost the whip. so he was independent and they demanded an apology. that's james cleverly from the home secretary, jeremy hunt, the chancellor. he wouldn't give it. and that's where he got the decision, and off he goes. so it's a huge moment. i think, where others join i've told that as join him. i've been told that as many as 40 mps were on an original list of defectors. that list is down to nine. so there are nine tory mps right now in active talks about joining the reform uk party, nine is a big number. it's nearly as big as liberal democrats at the fourth biggest party in parliament. we're not there yet. it may be only 2 or 3 go or zero go, but i'm told there are nine in talks right now. >> so purely in >> okay, so purely in a speculative the speculative sense, who are the reform lee knocks about reform nine? lee knocks about with a lot. he was the natural leader of the red wall. he was the chair of the blue collar conservatives before he was the deputy 16. he's deputy chair, he's16. he's people brendan clarke—smith

people like brendan clarke—smith bassett, lords over the border, de facto leader of that entire area. and some bigger names have been mooted about too. is this a movement with momentum or for now, do you think he's on his own? >> i think i'll wait and see now. nigel farage of course% on gb news also the honorary president of reform uk, he said, didn't the westminster didn't he, that the westminster ocelot haven't quite woken up to how big it is out there, you know, outside of the westminster bubble. so we'll wait and see how polls. anderson of how it polls. lee anderson of course, majority of course, has got a majority of 5733, in ashfield, whether you can hang on to that, that will be definitely in range for labour party at the next election. so now whether the big resource might into reform, resource might go into reform, we see nigel farage, we might see even nigel farage, let's the election let's say come the election campaigning for lee hanson there. lions, for his part he says country first, constituency second. party third. that's the order he views life in. and that's why he feels he's not letting down, tory voters. >> and he said, i want my country back. talking about what

he believes is how our country is changing in front of our eyes. very emotive stuff. and what was really interesting was that he said that his mum and dad would only vote for him if he was a reform party candidate. it's an astonishing thing to say. >> several times he said that he's he's 59, his parents are still they said that to still alive. they said that to him and of course, him yesterday. and of course, that's think that's because i think the problem maybe what farage is getting again, i haven't getting to and again, i haven't talked i don't know, talked to him, i don't know, but maybe is that maybe the point of this is that you've disaffection you've got this disaffection growing the red with growing in the red wall with this tory party. certainly lee anderson , when he a tory mp, anderson, when he was a tory mp, was with an object was viewed with an object of fascination amongst southern tories. would crumbs. tories. they would say crumbs. why? these new northern why? who are these new northern cousins who sign up to our party? in 2019, was asked to party? in 2019, he was asked to speak party constituency speak to party constituency dinners on friday nights. he toured the country talking to them, saying here i am, i'm a tory like you are. well, he's not now he's joined reform uk. what land mean for the base? many, the base are to many, many of the base are to the right of sunak. we saw the right of rishi sunak. we saw that the in the leadership that in the in the leadership election that in the in the leadership ele�*what's fascinating today as >> what's fascinating today as

well was very combative well was he was very combative with yes, a rival with the media. yes, a rival channel put a question across and he basically didn't answer the question. they said, well, you didn't answer my question. that actually went down really, really social media. i really well on social media. i wonder if now is off the leash, as it were, with cchq. he can be really unfiltered. he can be really unfiltered. he can be really almost like drain the swamp trumpian in his dealings with the press, back on the press. and think that will press. and i think that will land of course gb news land well, of course gb news he's paid presenter gb news. >> but we asked him, i asked him, i thought was really him, i thought it was a really a difficult question, you know, how voters of how can he? the voters of ashfield trust you now? you turned tail and the tory party, having a labour councillor turned tail and the tory party, havin2019. a labour councillor turned tail and the tory party, havin2019. a we'lljr councillor turned tail and the tory party, havin2019. a we'll we'llncillor turned tail and the tory party, havin2019. a we'll we'll still)r until 2019. so we'll we'll still give a hard time our give him a hard time on our channel. yeah, think he channel. but yeah, i think he was putting back at them was putting it back at them wasn't and i think you were wasn't he. and i think you were cheering them on, on, social cheering them on, on, on social media, i was. >> because think, you >> because i just think, you know, america people know, we saw in america people are fed the are not only fed up with the political establishment, they're fed up with the media establishment that supports it. chris hope, thanks for your input. we'll input. and of course, we'll cover throughout show. cover this throughout the show. now the view of andrew now let's get the view of andrew southall reform uk

southall southall, a reform uk parliamentary candidate. welcome to show , andrew. so the big to the show, andrew. so the big question is will he be welcomed into the fold or will he put a few noses out of joint? let's face it now he's going to be the big dog. >> this is seismic. we're well pleased to have leigh on board. he has a wealth of experience in politics and he says it how he how it is. the woke establishment don't like it and i reform supporters will surely be . be delighted. >> and do you think that, the party really needed some kind of working class oomph? a lot of people saying richard tice very, very competent leader, ben habib , very popular and welcome. she's on the show later. very popular , naturally conservative. popular, naturally conservative. but the party really was needing that working class brick in the wall. liam halligan. do you think he's the man that's going to pull together the red wall for you guys? >> i agree entirely, the idea of having working class candidates will turn the red wall turquoise, not blue. and yet

many of our candidates are working class. we are the people's party of this country. we're going to give this country back to its citizens. we're going to stand to the woke going to stand up to the woke establishment. and people like leigh i say, say it how it leigh as i say, say it how it is. and that's what the silent majority hear. majority want to hear. >> okay. >> okay. >> and andrew, as chris opened the here with martin, the studio here with martin, is your reform you your problem now? reform you don't know where voters live. you're basically a social media campaign man with a couple of high profile politicians leading it , many high profile politicians leading it, many people high profile politicians leading it , many people haven't heard of it, many people haven't heard of us. we're polling quite high. irrespective of that , i'm irrespective of that, i'm campaigning hard in dudley. we're getting the word out there. and when people hear about our policies, they really like the sound of us. so we're going to keep on making jumps in the polls. and, my message to anybody thinking of voting tory, don't split the reform vote by voting tory, and, andrew, what if one of the parliamentary candidates that were thinking about crossing over and following in lee's footsteps, one of the reform nine. what did

they happen to be in your constituency or another constituency? would reform party candidates happily stand down, or would that stick in your craw? chief >> i don't see, the mp i'm standing against doing that because he's been distributing leaflets saying don't vote for reform, even just recently . so reform, even just recently. so i'd like to say, marco, thanks for doing my work for me in getting the message about reform out there, but if anybody local wants to come across, they will have to stand in the seats where we don't yet have a candidate and not of those available. >> andrew, has money been offered, do think, to the offered, do you think, to the anderson come over? would anderson to come over? i would not to speculate on that, i not like to speculate on that, i don't know, and i wouldn't want to guess . to guess. >> okay. do you think it's going to give you that much needed boost to the coffers? i mean, we saw with the brexit party a revolution of £25 a pop single, people putting their money in, forming a huge groundswell. do you think lee's got the motivation to reignite that funding model ?

funding model? >> i always felt that as soon as we hit 15% in the national polls, you'd start to see big donors come across like we've had in the past, where ukip and brexit party have had big donors. as soon as we hit 15, you're going to start seeing a little bit more money coming in. but the support for lee anderson, people like him is a person, going to see person, we're going to see supporters, out to vote supporters, coming out to vote for him, and we're going to see people come across to donate to his and our campaigns as well. >> okay. what's the exciting momentum forward? that's momentum moving forward? that's probably word probably not the right word to use momentum, but exciting, critical andrew critical mass for you, andrew south or reform uk's parliamentary candidate for dudley north. thank you very much for joining dudley north. thank you very much forjoining us on this much for joining us on this seismic day . well, why don't we seismic day. well, why don't we hear now from shadow paymaster general jonathan ashworth who gave he gave his thoughts on lee anderson's to reform anderson's defection to reform uk a little earlier on today. >> i think it reveals the utter chaos engulfing the tory party how the tory government is utterly divided from top to bottom and rishi sunak is frankly too weak, weak to exert

any authority and a divided government simply cannot govern in the interest of the country, cannot make the changes that people who are paying more in tax and want to see the nhs fixed want to see. i think fixed want to see. and i think what today will reinforce is that after 14 years of failure, now it's time for change. >> and that's jonathan ashworth on a divided party. well, he might know a little bit about that himself. and anyway, we could now hear from the residents of ashfield who have given thoughts on given their thoughts on lee anderson's defection. >> doing it to >> he's probably doing it to save his own bacon, to be honest, because the people around here would probably vote for a reform. so that's probably all is doing it. but but all he is doing it. but but while like he wants while he looks like he wants to speak i several speak truth, i know several people have him awkward people have asked him awkward questions and then questions in meetings and then banned meetings. banned from the meetings. all of a l banned from the meetings. all of a , so it's pretty much a sudden, so it's pretty much the the others. the same as the others. >> think there should now >> do you think there should now be a by—election ashfield >> do you think there should now be a by-theytion ashfield >> do you think there should now be a by-they didn't ashfield >> do you think there should now be a by-they didn't ashffori >> do you think there should now be a by-they didn't ashffor him because they didn't vote for him as candidate? as a reform candidate? >> a conservative. >> they did. as a conservative. >> they did. as a conservative. >> that's an awkward one, isn't it? it depends which . if it? it depends which. if i actually a monkeys, i'd

actually give a monkeys, i'd probably there should be probably say there should be a by—election. since i don't give a monkeys, i don't care . a monkeys, i don't care. >> wow is the only mp that speaks his mind. that's true . so speaks his mind. that's true. so >> i mean, you can't vote for conservative anymore and you can't vote for labour, so it's the right you'll be voting for lee anderson. >> oh, definitely. >> oh, definitely. >> no way. from box. he's the best mp that's in the parliament at the moment. >> well, i mean, it's not my prerogative what lee anderson does, but i think that it would suit his views more than the conservative party. and he's tried the labour party already. so yeah, i think, i think it's for him, maybe not for ashfield, but yeah , i think it's, that's but yeah, i think it's, that's his lane. i don't think i'd vote for him in whatever party he's in. i don't really like his views, but but yeah, i can see why people would. now he's in the reform party. yeah, i think it's the reform party. yeah, i think wsfime the reform party. yeah, i think it's time for change. yeah,

yeah, i do, i do, i think that ashfield are underfunded as it is and hopefully any, any chance to stop. that would be great. yeah. >> and how would that be stopped with kind of a party here with what kind of a party here in ashfield, think labour in ashfield, i think a labour party would help. for the obvious reasons. really? yeah, yeah. working class sort of area and massively underfunded as we are. so we've got the fine people of ashfield have spoken a seat. >> i campaigned, in fact, i stood against lee anderson in 2019 and that is going to be one seat to keep your eyes on. now. it's time now for the latest great british giveaway and your chance to win. £12,345 12345 in cash and a whole host of seasonal treats. and here's how you could bag all of that . you could bag all of that. >> we're springing into spring and giving you the chance to win the seasonal essentials. first, there's an incredible £12,345 in tax free cash to be won, plus a

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welcome back 325 is the time you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news now. a total of 58 survivors of terror attacks inspired by islamist extremism have signed an open letter calling for an end to anti—muslim hate. they also criticise some politicians for effectively equating being muslim with being an extremist, which they argue makes the job of islamist extremists easier and plays into the hands of terrorists. well, joining me now is a signatory of that letter and survivor of the terrorist attack on fishmongers hall, darren frost. darren, welcome to the show. of course, people will remember your extra ordinary acts of bravery which may make you blush. darren but it

absolutely was. and you were known as the narwhal tusk hero. an incredible moment, in november 2019, where you stepped in and basically totally risked your own life . can we reflect your own life. can we reflect upon that day, which you say is a day which has forever changed you ? you? >>iam you? >> i am martin, thank you very much, yeah . so that day in much, yeah. so that day in question, we were brought together through a program with learning together from cambridge university. the ministry of justice kindly hosted at the fishmongers hall, fishmongers hall in london on london bridge. and sadly, one of those individuals was an extremist, he pretended really well, not to be and to have been converted or come back to public. >> and unfortunately, he pre—planned an attack where he, stabbed many people, ended up killing two of those people, and he had a really convincing suicide belt across him and two

eight inch knives that he had duct taped to his hands. and myself using the narwhal tusk and some former prisoners or prison leavers . and, lucas, who prison leavers. and, lucas, who is, was a porter at fishmongers hall, tackled him. i kept holding him down till the police arrived. the police arrived with with their machine guns or automatic rifles that i had and told us to clear away, i refused told us to clear away, i refused to let him go because i thought if i did, he would set off this bomb and blow up the police, the pubuc bomb and blow up the police, the public and everyone around us. >> an astonishing act of bravery for which you've received the final civilian gallantry award that was approved the course by the late queen. and, you know, hats off to, you know , the very, hats off to, you know, the very, very best of humanity for selflessly stepping in and doing what you did and no doubt, obviously saving further loss of life. can we talk now a little bit about the letter you've signed, survivors against terror, 58 survivors of 15 islamic terror attacks. and what

motivated you to sign that letter ? letter? >> yeah. >> yeah. >> thank you very much for debating this letter and bringing it up today, the letter is really an important one. >> and when i heard that others were debating writing this, i thought i had to read it first, and i really it resonated with me because there's a clear distinction to be made between a muslim individual and an extremist , the same as any extremist, the same as any extremist, the same as any extremist and the faith or their their paws that they propose to be following their extreme of those views. >> and they don't align with those views. >> and i think it's really dangerous when, sadly , we've had dangerous when, sadly, we've had some leaders recently, confusing the two terminologies and, alluding to or to insinuating that, muslims are terrorists and this is really dangerous territory. >> so we need to put a stop to it, and we need to stand up to that kind of language. >> do you think it also would be

very useful? i often have muslim leaders on the show here, and for the muslim community themselves , call those themselves, to call out those extremists to this extremists to make this absolutely this is absolutely clear, this is a tiny, minority of people tiny, tiny minority of people nevertheless isolated nevertheless must be isolated and tackled. >> well. it's not just the muslim community, it's the whole community that should stamp out extremists, the same as, if we think back to new zealand, they did a fantastic thing after those attacks , and they said those attacks, and they said that an extremist is an outsider to all of society, not just the viewpoint that they propose to be supporting. >> so i think it's for all of us to stamp out extremism, in whatever form that that comes , whatever form that that comes, it's for all of us to, if we see it's for all of us to, if we see it stamp out and report hate where we see it cropping up, but yes, i do agree that, i'm glad that muslim leaders are wanting to stamp that out. and that shows a reflection of the true muslim faith, to be muslim is a religious faith that is about peace and harmony, and you do

get individuals who unfortunately misinterpret that and, and, and it has severe consequences as you, as you heard , i faced up to the worst heard, i faced up to the worst of that. but what i think is really important is that if you listen to survivors of attacks from islamist extremists, we aren't wanting vengeance. we aren't wanting vengeance. we aren't wanting vengeance. we aren't wanting an eye for an eye. what are we wanting is no more attack than we're wanting the public to be safe, and to do that comes through understanding and our british values of, tolerance and respect of other beliefs and religions. >> and, darren, an extraordinary moment that came out of that initial incident in november 2019. that was when you were holding usman khan down and stopping him as you felt at the time, preventing him from setting off a suicide device. you said you didn't want the police to kill him. you wanted him to face justice. do you still believe that , i think it's

still believe that, i think it's a much neater solution that he got killed. i think it's much better for the victims families, so that they don't have to suffer. going through trials and having that drawn out , but suffer. going through trials and having that drawn out, but i do believe he wanted to die , and i believe he wanted to die, and i think that was his choice. whereas he took the choice from others. and i wish he didn't get his choice . i wish he faced our his choice. i wish he faced our justice system and our prison system because he was wanting the coward's way out. he wanted to become a martyr, but i'm very proud of our media for facing or highlighting the heroics of other individuals. the public, the armed responses , the first the armed responses, the first responders for how they reacted because i think that's where the focus should be is how strong our communities are. in fact, even our group of survivors who've written this letter that they're all strong enough to come out and put their stories on the line for causes that that

are important. it shows that these terror attacks actually can bring us closer together, which is the opposite of what the terrorists want. >> darren ross, you're extraordinarily brave, young man. thank you for what you did, and i wish you the very best of luck . thanks, mate. luck. thanks, mate. >> thanks for having me on, martin. bye bye. >> thanks for having me on, maiwell, ye bye. >> thanks for having me on, maiwell, ye byithere's more >> well, well, there's lots more still now and still to come between now and 4:00, yet another case 4:00, including yet another case of housing being prioritised for asylum . when? when will asylum seekers. when? when will local people be prioritised for their local services? we'll have all the latest on this in just a moment. from dartford. but first it's moment. from dartford. but first wsfime moment. from dartford. but first it's time for your latest news headunes it's time for your latest news headlines tatiana sanchez . headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> martin. >> martin. >> thank you. the top stories from the gb newsroom. >> lee anderson says he would still have defected to the reform uk party, even if he hadnt reform uk party, even if he hadn't been suspended from the conservatives. >> he became the party's first mp this morning after he lost the tory whip for claiming that

islamists had got control of the london mayor. polls suggest that around 13% of voters support reform and as recently as january, mr anderson said it was not a proper political party. he now says reform will allow him to speak out on behalf of millions . to speak out on behalf of millions. the families of barnaby webber and grace o'malley , cooma, have welcomed o'malley, cooma, have welcomed the news that nottinghamshire police has been put in special measures. the two teenagers and school caretaker, ian coates, died during a spate of knife attacks in nottingham, the force has been told by a watchdog that it must urgently produce an improvement plan amid concerns over how it carries out investigations . the energy investigations. the energy regulator, ofgem , is looking at regulator, ofgem, is looking at ways to protect customers from spiralling costs amid a record number of unpaid bills, around £3.1 number of unpaid bills, around £31 billion of debts are piling £3.1 billion of debts are piling up as concerns grow over the high cost of household bills . high cost of household bills. it's after the price of energy in an average british home hit

more than 3500 pounds a year last october. and the queen has joined the prince of wales at westminster abbey for today's commonwealth day service. they're among the senior royals who are gathering for this year's event, which draws on the theme of resilience against a backdrop of health worries in the family. though he'll miss this at today's service , his this at today's service, his majesty echoed his late mother in message reaffirming in a video message reaffirming his commitment to serve the 56 member countries to the best of his ability . for the latest his ability. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or you can code on your screen or you can 90 code on your screen or you can go to gb news. carmelites . go to gb news. carmelites. >> for stunning gold and silver coins, you'll always value rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . the gb news financial report. >> here's a quick snapshot of today's markets . the pound will

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gb news. princess kate's photoshop faux pas. yeah. the princess of wales has apologised for the confusion over a mother's day photograph released by kensington palace yesterday. in a statement released on social media, kate said like many amateur photographers, i do occasionally experiment with editing well, after picture agencies pulled the picture over manipulation concerns, people are calling for the unedited photo. the original to be released. but kensington palace have insisted that they will not be reissuing the original picture . well, joining me now picture. well, joining me now is, cameron walker is outside westminster abbey. gb news royal correspondent cameron, welcome to the show. never has a photograph caused such a huge ferrari is still talking about it. cameron >> oh, i know it's a huge pr problem for kensington palace. martin. this is the photo that was meant to reassure us, wasn't it? but the princess is fine and well and recovering as expected . well and recovering as expected. instead, it's just added fuel to

the because now more the fire because now more questions have been raised as to why was so heavily edited. why was it so heavily edited. now a royal source describes the princess's edits as as minor , as princess's edits as as minor, as minor edits. however, it's clearly more than just a bit of airbrushing and a bit of contrasting . there are specific contrasting. there are specific points to that image which have been changed. now. clearly it looks like on the surface that the princess of wales is perfectly innocent mistake. as she says herself in her statement, she is an amateur photographer and therefore an amateur picture editor well. amateur picture editor as well. but kensington palace would have known that this would have been heavily scrutinised. this image , heavily scrutinised. this image, because, as i it was meant because, as i said, it was meant to us and quash these to reassure us and quash these social media rumours it's social media rumours and it's done opposite. so it appears done the opposite. so it appears that nobody from kensington palace checked that palace thoroughly checked that image . and as i said, it's just image. and as i said, it's just fuelled these rumours and it bnngs fuelled these rumours and it brings into question a wider point william and point as to if william and catherine really insist on taking their own photographs and having control of the

having overall control of the images of their children. they released to the to the public it has now. it runs into all sorts of issues because there wasn't an independent news photographer there . it it brings into there. it it brings into question the trust of what we see coming out of that palace. i spoke to the ceo of republic earlier, and this is what he said about kate's apology. >> it doesn't really explain anything . we could see it's been anything. we could see it's been edited, the question is why and why haven't they shown us the original photo , because it's not original photo, because it's not just edited in a way that she's trying to tidy it up. it looks, photoshopped in a way that, you know, were those people all in the photo when it was taken? and that's what it looks like. i'm not saying they weren't or were, but just very odd. and i but it just it's very odd. and i don't think people going to don't think people are going to be convinced. >> well, meanwhile, majesty >> well, meanwhile, her majesty the queen and the prince of wales inside westminster wales are inside westminster abbey behind me, the commonwealth service, commonwealth day service, celebrating 75 of the celebrating 75 years of the commonwealth, is concluding and any moment now we should see the queen the prince of wales

queen and the prince of wales emerge building behind emerge from the building behind me. it was me. when they arrived, it was incredibly noisy. here. three separate protest groups . the separate protest groups. the most prominent was the anti—monarchy campaign group repubuc anti—monarchy campaign group republic , who we just heard republic, who we just heard from. they had signs and were chanting down with the crown. his majesty the king, of course, has been receiving cancer treatment. he was not inside the abbey. he did release abbey. however, he did release a video saying he video message saying that he will serve the will continue to serve the commonwealth as its head to the best of his ability . he also best of his ability. he also spoke of that the commonwealth is a precious source of continued strength, inspiration and pride for the 56 commonwealth nations around the world who are part of it. >> indeed, cameron, i had to wade my way through yet more protesters in the way on the way to the studio the anti to the studio earlier, the anti the republican jobs. but the big question does the question is does the commonwealth still have a future? we're seeing, countries such as jamaica wanting to have referendums to leave, but nevertheless when i also came in, there were many proud in, there were many, many proud people all around people from all around commonwealth in their people from all around com regalia alth in their people from all around com regalia out in their people from all around com regalia out there in their

people from all around comregalia out there . in their full regalia out there. >> yeah, well, the vast majority of commonwealth nations are republics. it's only 15 nations where king charles reigns as a head of state, as you mentioned, of course. jamaica. is perhaps toying with the idea of becoming a republic. but barbados, for example, recently got rid of the british monarch as head of state back in 2021. they are still part of that commonwealth family of nations, and king charles was really keen to put a climate message out there, as you can probably imagine during his speech, because there are a number lying commonwealth number of low lying commonwealth nafions number of low lying commonwealth nations which could really be affected levels rising. affected by sea levels rising. also, a number of young people in abbey today, at 60% of in the abbey today, at 60% of the commonwealth population of 2.6 billion people under the age of 30. so it was all about encouraging the next generation, that unity that the commonwealth bnngs >> superb, sir. thank you much. very much. cameron walker live there outside westminster palace . grace of plenty more to bring you on. lee anderson's defection in just a moment, but first in a

gb news series innovation britain. we are looking at the success of british manufacturing around the country . around the country. >> there's high value manufacturing happening all around the world, but for those factories to make good components, they need to be supported by good engineering, production engineering products, mic that's what you guys make here in brandon homes in tamworth . tamworth. >> yep. that's where all of our manufacture comes from , the manufacture comes from, the skills that we have here. yes, absolutely. >> those products that you make, they around the world. they go all around the world. what products doing? what are those products doing? those enabling those products are enabling other countries to other places, other countries to produce high quality parts without the solution . without the solution. >> it's a struggle for them to produce these parts. >> exactly what exactly kind of parts are they doing? >> there's an example here. >> there's an example here. >> example. is >> this example. this is a aircraft component for aircraft engine. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> being all the >> so they're being made all the way in singapore. this way over in singapore. this component to go a jet component to go into a jet engine, and how come the

products that they need to use to hold the blades to make them, why do they have to get made to here in the uk? >> yeah, they need the, the massive of experience for massive amount of experience for the design and the manufacture of these solutions to be able to produce their parts. >> absolutely. and here at brownite homes in tamworth, what exactly are the skills that you need to be able to produce the parts like this that get sent everywhere? >> yeah. we've got guys working on office doing on computers in the office doing the designs then the designs and then manufacturing, machining these parts on the same site. so dunng parts on the same site. so during manufacture, any problems 7 during manufacture, any problems ? we've got the guys here that design the parts. >> and why is it important to be able to do all of that here in the uk in one site? >> it's because it's a it's a bespoke solution that needs a lot lot knowledge to lot of a lot of knowledge to manufacture that specific solution. >> yeah, but how important is the experience in making these kinds of these fixtured engineering components for these products? >> yeah, the experience goes a long way into the product we produce. i mean, we've been

doing this for over 75 years, but it's a 75 years of experience in engineering products supporting high value manufacturing all around the world, like this one going to singapore.

>> earlier on breakfast, what was deemed to be a fairly innocuous photograph of the princess of wales and her children, which was put out for mother's day. >> but it has erupted into a scandal for international picture . picture. >> agencies have killed this image. yeah, that's really rare. i can't think of a time since i've been doing this job for the best part of 15 years, where a royal image has been recalled. >> they knew this image would be so scrutinised because was >> they knew this image would be so sfirst nised because was >> they knew this image would be so sfirst officialacause was >> they knew this image would be so sfirst official one..e was >> they knew this image would be so sfirst official one. we've|s the first official one. we've seen since her abdominal surgery, conspiracy surgery, and all the conspiracy theorists , you know, it's just theorists, you know, it's just adding fire. adding fuel to this fire. >> we're making sure that the british kept safe british people are kept safe from various forms of from the various forms of extremism that we sadly see in our country . our country. >> every morning it's breakfast from 6 am. hope you can join .

us. >> welcome back. it's 350. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news. now, in the next hour, we'll be speaking with former conservative minister and now reform uk member ann widdecombe for her thoughts on lee anderson's dramatic defection . anderson's dramatic defection. earlier today. locals in dartford have expressed their horror after a decision has been made to repurpose a building on a residential street to house asylum seekers. the building is being redeveloped to house unaccompanied asylum seeking children arriving in kent, and there are reports that many locals are furious for not being consulted before works on the site started. now, according to residents , the site has been residents, the site has been under construction now for many months . and joining us now to months. and joining us now to discuss this is our reporter charlie peters. charlie, welcome to the show, groundhog day once again. we saw it in millom in cumbria a couple of weeks ago.

before that in farnborough, luxury flats there repurpose locals. the last to find out raf scampton linton on is the same old pattern. charlie the poor locals are the last to find out . locals are the last to find out. >> that's right. >> that's right. >> and the development on this site, we're told, started in october of last year. >> and the realisation that this building in dartford in kent, was being used to house asylum seekers was only realised several months later. >> and today gb news can reveal that as part of this process , a that as part of this process, a 1964 covenant between the nhs and the council in kent is being broken in order to develop this site that covenant, as we said, signed in 1964, stresses that the site, this limes building in dartford can only be used as an old people's home for that purpose. now kent are saying that the covenant will be repurposed before the building works are complete, and they say that the building will be used

to house unaccompanied asylum seeking children. >> the home office have processed some 7000 unaccompanied children who have crossed the channel, either by small boats or, of course , by small boats or, of course, by lorries. >> since july 2021 until december of last year. there's an unprecedented demand as the country deals with some 118,000 small boats crossings since 2018, when the trend really started . started. >> but so much of the fury that we're hearing out of kent today is that the locals just weren't consulted. >> there was no meeting, no information, no reports until locals started to express concern that street where this building is found in dartford now has several posters and placards protesting the decision to generate this space. the council say that it will be manned 24 over seven by security every single person who goes

there will have an assigned social worker and that anyone is who is found to be over 18, not an unaccompanied asylum seeking child will be referred back to the home office. >> well , the locals, they're not >> well, the locals, they're not approving of that statement. they don't agree with the process that's gone forward, especially as the council says that they have nine other sites identified in kent for the same purpose. >> well, they won't say where those places are, citing security and safeguarding concerns. so could another site be coming to a street near you? >> okay, well, we probably know the answer to that. jordy peters, thank you very much for that report. now got that superb report. now got a bunch of your emails here. i've been asking you, of course, about lee anderson's dramatic defection to the reform party. and i've had hundreds of replies already. here's just a taster of already. here's just a taster of a few of them. rosemary says this i admire richard tice as an excellent leader and speaker, and was thinking of joining

and i was thinking of joining the party, lee the reform party, but now lee anderson joining reform anderson joining the reform party has the balance. party has tipped the balance. i am them immediately. am joining them immediately. kevin, however, disagrees. he says this i think lee anderson has made a foolish mistake. he seems unprincipled and would not probably be elected again anyway . to propagate division and negativity will not help his case. cathy says this lee anderson speaks for a huge number of british people. this is our new brexit. let's get reform into government and bertie disarray agrees. it's all about balance on this channel. without branches and members , without branches and members, reform is not going anywhere. if an if enough mps defect to reform, then maybe they can change all of that. now you're watching or listening to gb news coming up all the latest news, analysis and reaction to that big news of the day. lee anderson, of course, defecting to reform uk . and widdicombe to reform uk. and widdicombe will us her thoughts next. will give us her thoughts next. and to miss that. and you won't want to miss that. but first, let's get an update on weather alex burkill

i >> -- >>a >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello again. here's your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. some places towards the east may see a touch of frost, even a few patches fog even a few patches of fog tonight, but for many it is going turn wet and windy due going to turn wet and windy due to low pressure and to an area of low pressure and an associated weather system feeding from the west. we feeding in from the west. we already occluded front already have an occluded front across northern ireland across parts of northern ireland that has brought some rain earlier that going earlier today, and that is going to bring more rain to northwest scotland we go through scotland as we go through this evening overnight. it's evening and overnight. but it's across where across northern ireland where we're heavier we're going to see some heavier rain and strong pushing in rain and strong winds pushing in overnight, rain then overnight, and that rain then later parts of western later reaching parts of western england, wales and scotland. as we the early hours of we go through the early hours of tomorrow east. and there we go through the early hours of tomcbew east. and there we go through the early hours of tomcbe some east. and there we go through the early hours of tomcbe some clearist. and there we go through the early hours of tomc be some clear spellsi there we go through the early hours of tomcbe some clear spells in1ere we go through the early hours of tomc be some clear spells in the may be some clear spells in the cloud, and so we could see a touch of frost, perhaps even a

few of fog around first few patches of fog around first thing. otherwise, as we go through tuesday , a wet and through tuesday, a wet start and a start western a windy start across western parts , the heaviest rain will be parts, the heaviest rain will be over higher ground, particularly over higher ground, particularly over hills and mountains of over the hills and mountains of nonh over the hills and mountains of north wales. rain ease north wales. the rain does ease a bit as it pushes its a little bit as it pushes its way eastwards, but most places will wet and windy will see some wet and windy weather a time. we're going weather for a time. we're going to milder air pushing to see some milder air pushing its so temperatures its way in, so temperatures lifting little bit higher than its way in, so temperatures lifting highse bit higher than its way in, so temperatures lifting highs oflil higher than its way in, so temperatures lifting highs of arounder than its way in, so temperatures lifting highs of around 13:han its way in, so temperatures lifting highs of around 13 orn its way in, so temperatures lifting highs of around 13 or 14 today. highs of around 13 or 14 celsius. more wet to weather come as we go through the end of the day tomorrow. whilst the outbreaks of rain do push their way the east, there are way towards the east, there are further of further outbreaks of rain pushing from west again, pushing in from the west again, heaviest any higher ground. heaviest over any higher ground. more come go more rain to come as we go through the rest the week, through the rest of the week, particularly northern and particularly across northern and western it is going particularly across northern and weturni it is going particularly across northern and weturn milder it is going particularly across northern and weturn milder temperaturesg to turn milder temperatures widely, getting into teens widely, getting into mid teens by by that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news

news. >> good afternoon. happy monday. it's 4 pm. and welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. all across the uk. today. our top story. lee anderson , former deputy chair of anderson, former deputy chair of the tory party and mp for ashfield , the heart of the red ashfield, the heart of the red wall, defects to richard tice reform uk party. how significant could this be? we'll have all the latest on this throughout the latest on this throughout the show . next. extremism in the show. next. extremism in britain 58 terror attack survivors have signed an open letter calling for an end to anti—muslim hate, and the signatories have hit out at certain politicians who they say put extremism and the and islam in the same bracket . and in the same bracket. and princess kate has issued an official apology over the manipulated photograph of her and her children, released on mother's day, saying that she

was simply experimenting with editing should she release the original . that's all coming up original. that's all coming up in your next hour. original. that's all coming up in your next hour . welcome to in your next hour. welcome to the show. well, it's already been a seismic day in british politics with that dramatic defection of lee anderson to the reform party. 1030 this morning. i've been asking you for your opinions so far on the day, got to say, hundreds and hundreds of emails have come flying in. lee anderson in fine form, attacking journalists, saying it as he sees it, i want my country back. was the opening line of his speech. there at that press conference. are you convinced? will this make you cross to reform, or is lee betraying himself, betraying his party and making a huge mistake ? could he making a huge mistake? could he split the vote and let sir keir starmer in? or is that too little, too late? is reform the

answer? get in touch all the usual ways. email gbviews@gbnews.com or read out all the best so long as you keep them clean. but first, it's time for your latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez . with tatiana sanchez. >> martin, thank you and good afternoon. the top stories from the gb newsroom. lee anderson says he would still have defected to the reform uk party, even if he hadn't been suspended from the conservatives. he became the party's first mp this morning after he lost the tory whip for claiming that islamists had got hold of the mayor of london. polls suggest that around 13% of voters support reform, and as recently as january, mr anderson said it was not a proper political party. he now says reform will allow him to speak out on behalf of millions . to speak out on behalf of millions. shadow to speak out on behalf of millions . shadow paymaster millions. shadow paymaster general jonathan ashworth told gb news that it's a blow to rishi sunak's government .

rishi sunak's government. >> what i think this reveals is the sheer chaos in the conservative party, a government divided from top to bottom, and rishi sunak too weak to exert any authority and a divided government, cannot govern in the interests of the country. i think people have had enough of this and after 14 years of failure, this proves once again that it failure, this proves once again thatitis failure, this proves once again that it is time for change. >> well, shortly after mr anderson's defection to reform was announced today, gb news asked people in his constituency of ashfield how they feel about his decision to join the party. >> it's probably doing it to save his own bacon, to be honest , because the people around here would probably vote for a reform. that's probably all reform. so that's probably all he is doing it. it speaks truth and that's a lot of people don't like that. so. >> well, i think it's very nice and i don't have any issues about him at all. >> well, i mean, it's not my prerogative what lee anderson does, but i think that it would

suit his views more than the conservative party. and he tried the labour party already. so yeah, i think, i think it's for him, maybe not for ashfield, but yeah, i think it's, that's his lane. >> to other news, the princess of wales has apologised for an altered family photo released by kensington palace, posting to social media, she admitted that like many amateur photographers , like many amateur photographers, she occasionally experiments with editing, adding she was sorry for any confusion it caused the mother's day image taken by the prince of wales was withdrawn by various global photo after suspicions photo agencies after suspicions that a number of edits may have been made. nottinghamshire police has been told by a watchdog that it must urgently produce an improvement plan after it was put into special measures. the families of barnaby webber and grace o'malley kumar welcomed the news. the two teenagers and school caretaker, ian coates , school caretaker, ian coates, died during a spate of knife attacks in nottingham. the force has been asked to improve how it

manages and carries out effective investigations, and to put measures in place to ensure victims get the support they need.the victims get the support they need. the energy regulator, ofgem, is looking at ways to protect consumers from spiralling costs amid a record number of unpaid bills. around £3.1 billion of debts are piling up as concerns grow over the high cost of household bills . high cost of household bills. it's after the price of an energy of energy in an average british home hit more than 3500 pounds a year last october. passengers on board a flight from australia to new zealand endured a terrifying mid—air moment when the plane unexpectedly dropped . 50 people unexpectedly dropped. 50 people were injured, with witnesses describing chaos inside the cabin saying some were thrown to the ceiling with enough force to break roof panels. 12 passengers were taken to hospital when the flight landed in auckland, with one in a serious condition. the

boeing 787 sudden loss in altitude is still being investigated , and latam airlines investigated, and latam airlines says a technical event caused the sudden movement during the flight . and the queen has joined flight. and the queen has joined the prince of wales at westminster abbey for today's commonwealth day service. they're among the senior royals who are gathering for this year's event, which draws on the theme of resilience against a backdrop of health worries in the family . though he'll miss the family. though he'll miss today's service, the king reaffirmed his commitment to the 56 member countries in a video message . message. >> as i've said before, the commonwealth is like the wiring of a house and its people are energy and our ideas are the current that runs through those wires together and individually. >> we are strengthened by sharing perspectives and experiences. my belief in our shared endeavours and in the

potential of our people , remains potential of our people, remains a sure and strong as it has ever been. >> for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gb news .com/ alerts. now back to . martin. >> thank you tatiano. now let's get stuck in and let's get back to the news that has surely shaken westminster to its absolute core. and that is, of course , red bull mp, the course, red bull mp, the rottweiler. lee anderson has joined richard tice reform party, announcing the move at a press conference earlier today. 1030 this morning, anderson, who was recently suspended, of course , by the conservative course, by the conservative party, for his criticised remarks about london mayor sadiq khan, made on this very show two weeks ago friday. he accused the tories of stifling free speech and said he found it unpalatable. it had been

disciplined for speaking his mind and he also went on to claim other tory mps share his views, but would not stick their heads above the parapet. at least not now. well, joining me in the studio to discuss this is gb news political editor, chris hope. chris, you were at that press conference and i thought the first line of lee's i want my the first line of lee's i want my country back was a roar that seemed to land. we've had hundreds of emails in today, chris, and it seems to have landed very, very well with the red walls. that's right. >> hi, martin. that's right. >> and hi, martin. that's right. i front row and yeah, i was in a front row and yeah, quite i think him saying, you know, country know, this is the country i remember and starts to enforce know, this is the country i remlaws.r and starts to enforce know, this is the country i remlaws. thej starts to enforce know, this is the country i remlaws. the things to enforce know, this is the country i remlaws. the things to en been the laws. the thing you've been saying now your saying for weeks now on your programme, why the police programme, why can't the police enforce they've got enforce the laws they've got to ensure these palestinian ensure that these palestinian marches when it's being, you marches are when it's being, you know, straightforward and. no, no , no extremist issues. why no, no extremist issues. why can't they be policed properly? that's definitely part of the problem. yeah, we problem. and, yeah, we interviewed, anderson for interviewed, lee anderson for gb news after i said, when news shortly after i said, when did, the pm rishi sunak find out

about your, your your defection to said he hasn't he to reform? we said he hasn't he hasn't haven't told him. so presumably the pm found out, watching your tv news. so. yeah. i mean, the question is, what comes next? he'll take his seat in the of commons in the house of commons tomorrow, sitting up tomorrow, 11:30 am, sitting up there andrew and there with andrew bridgen and other independent, party mps. but course , he's reform uk. but of course, he's reform uk. nine more tory mps in talks about joining reform. as we sit here today, it was 40. now it's nine. they're being vetted and looked at by the party. richard tice telling us earlier that he thinks if, if the, if, mr sunak goes long and has the election in the autumn, there'll be more of these moments through the summer. but earlier, my colleague olivia utley did speak to richard tice about the prospects of his party maybe overtaking the tory party this summer in the polls. let's hear what he had to say. >> we're going to do. actually is get our message out there. lee is going to be our champion of red wall. this is going of the red wall. this is going to boost us in the polls rapidly and here's my prediction. by the

summer, going close summer, we're going to close that with the tories. we're that gap with the tories. we're now 6% behind on now about 5 or 6% behind on a couple of polls that could close now about 5 or 6% behind on a co almost polls that could close now about 5 or 6% behind on a co almost zero; that could close now about 5 or 6% behind on a co almost zero ifhat could close now about 5 or 6% behind on a co almost zero if we could close now about 5 or 6% behind on a co almost zero if we couldmaking to almost zero if we keep making the progress we're making . the progress we're making. >> so. so here's the thing. moving forward, what is lee anderson's role going to be clearly intimating there? he won't just be a constituency mp . won't just be a constituency mp. the mp for ashfield, as a newly crowned reform candidate, he's going to be out on the road drumming up the red wall as a kind of grassroots, energy riser. that's a pretty canny deployment. >> he can because i think richard tice, for all of his strengths as leader of reform, he may be that he lacks that connection with people in that red wall. when you've got, lee anderson as someone who is from that red wall. i was on the first journey to write. i wrote the first profile of him 2000 word i i had to word piece, and i was i had to do actual primary research do some actual primary research on life story. i mean, he on his life story. i mean, he has got one to tell for the red wall. he he sold his car when he needed more money. he raised

those two boys on his own. he walked work. worked for walked to work. he worked for citizens advice. a former citizens advice. he's a former labour the first labour councillor. the first time he voted tory for time he he voted tory was for himself ashfield . that's himself in ashfield. that's that's the powerful tory story he's can tell people on he's got. he can tell people on the tory tory base. i've been on a journey. join me on that journey to do different politics and try and support this, this party's policies. i think it's quite compelling and it could be for them, although the tories were so differently. for them, although the tories werokay, ifferently. for them, although the tories werokay, we'll1tly. for them, although the tories werokay, we'll stick around, >> okay, we'll stick around, chris, no doubt want fire chris, no doubt you want to fire a at our next guest, a question at our next guest, because i'm now joined former because i'm now joined by former conservative mp ann widdecombe, who course, a leading who is now, of course, a leading luminaire in the reform party with richard us. with richard tice. with us. welcome show . always welcome to the show. always a pleasure. so if the reform party needed that working class credibility , that red wall, kind credibility, that red wall, kind of what's the word i'm looking for? the red wall kind of dynamo that the party needed to drive it through. is this the right man? is this a canny appointment ? >> 7- >> yes. >> yes. >> it's a very, very canny

appointment . and it's terrific appointment. and it's terrific that lee has decided to join us because , as you say, he speaks because, as you say, he speaks for the red wall and that is where, brexit, brought a huge number of its votes and an awful lot of its support from, as you will know, and, therefore it's right territory for reform. but we do need the right person. we need the person who speaks the language of the red wall, the sort of person that the red wall would trust. we've got him in the shape of lee anderson . the shape of lee anderson. >> do you think this will play out internally, he's a big character. he's got a big presence, and he's used to being the head honcho. would he have to be kind of let to do his own devices? or can you see that being a potential situation where a few people within the party wrong way and. party are the wrong way and. >> oh, i don't think so, i mean, i think the one thing about the reform party, the refreshing change from the tory party, that it factions and it isn't full of factions and divisions and people fighting for number one and all the rest of it, and i think we're all

hoping that lee will play a huge role that that as far as the red wall is concerned, that he'll be the face of reform in the red wall. none of us will have a problem with that. >> and it's chris hope in the studio here with martin. i just wondered, what it was like to join a much smaller party like the reform party. i know you joined the brexit party back in the old days, and of course you were. well known and you built your most of your life being a tory mp and a tory minister, how is it join a much smaller is it to join a much smaller party with less, less of the resource and recognition factor? >> the most difficult part of it is , is, not, leaving the party, is, is, not, leaving the party, which by then, of course, has completely let you down or you wouldn't be leaving it. but it is thinking of all the people who for you, for your who worked for you, for your party workers, for the local workers , all those years being workers, all those years being utterly loyal. and now you're turning and you're saying turning around and you're saying to them, terribly you to them, terribly sorry. you know, repudiating all of know, i'm repudiating all of that, is actually the most that, that is actually the most

difficult thing of all. it's exciting to be joining a new party or a new ish party. it's exciting to be joining a small party which can only grow as opposed to being in a big party which can only shrink. it's it's not difficult, except , as i say, not difficult, except, as i say, in terms of personal loyalties . in terms of personal loyalties. >> and one man is not an army. one man cannot win a war on his own. but there is talk of the reform nine at least. richard tice . flashing his garter may tice. flashing his garter may more follow. do you think ? and more follow. do you think? and that could happen. and we reached this critical mass where the red wall really starts falling into reform . falling into reform. >> oh, i think it's more than possible, and particularly now that we've got lee anderson, we've got somebody who speaks directly for them and who is trusted by them in the red wall, so, yes, i think it's very likely. will we get more defections ? we may we may, it defections? we may we may, it doesn't follow that we take everybody who wants to defect. you know, we're pretty choosy ,

you know, we're pretty choosy, but, yeah, i would i would have thought it was very likely. i can't see the tory party suddenly reviving. i think it's going to go on on its current trajectory . and if it does, then trajectory. and if it does, then a lot of people will be saying, well, hang on, can we rescue conservatism by going elsewhere? yeah. and you mentioned you yeah. well and you mentioned you mentioned there direction of mentioned there the direction of travel the party, do you, do travel of the party, do you, do you i wonder if you think whether you might see the crossover happen summer, crossover happen this summer, when you'll see that the tory party, it goes into third place in and reform is in the polls and reform is second, it's possible, i don't know whether it's probable, but it's certainly possible. certainly what we'll be working towards, but i think although quite obviously and, you know, i see why this is or the emphasis is on the tory party we need also to expose the, the inadequacies of labour, the person who is best placed to do thatis person who is best placed to do that is indeed lee anderson, because he knows that party well. but sorry. and his

sympathies have lain there in the past and, lee anderson, of course, is not not a man who without controversy, he brings a bit of baggage to the party. >> he's been called every name under the sun. racist. islamophobe gammon, small minded, little englander, you name it. he's been called the lot. is any of that an issue, or do you think the voters, the electorate, reform voters just don't care about any of this? now they see it and see now they see through it and see the issues? the bigger issues? >> i think that's probably >> oh, i think that's probably an the hampstead an issue for the hampstead liberals. but, you know, they're not of reform party, so not part of the reform party, so i worry, i don't i don't think or worry, i don't think an issue for ordinary think it's an issue for ordinary people . in fact, all the people. in fact, all the feedback i've or certainly feedback i've had, or certainly most i've had has been most feedback i've had has been along the lines of when he's only what people are only said what people are thinking, that's what people only said what people are thinkfrom that's what people only said what people are thinkfrom politicians/hat people only said what people are thinkfrom politicians .iat people only said what people are thinkfrom politicians . theyople only said what people are thinkfrom politicians . they want want from politicians. they want to feel that you understand how they feel and that you and they share a perspective . and, that share a perspective. and, that is how a lot of people think when they look at lee anderson. >> okay. thank you forjoining

>> okay. thank you for joining us. and welcome lee anderson. about as subtle as a brick to the head. let's see if we can become a brick and a foundation stone for the reform party. well, why don't we hear from well, why don't now we hear from shadow paymaster general jonathan ashworth, who us jonathan ashworth, who gives us his thoughts on liana's defection to reform uk a little earlier on today. >> i think it reveals the utter chaos engulfing the tory party, how the tory government is utterly divided from top to bottom and rishi sunak is frankly too weak , weak to exert frankly too weak, weak to exert any authority. and i divided government simply cannot govern in the interest of the country, cannot make the changes that people who are paying more in tax want to see the nhs tax and want to see the nhs fixed want and i think fixed want to see. and i think what today will reinforce is that after 14 years of failure, now it's time for change. >> and we can hear now from the residents of ashfield , who have residents of ashfield, who have given their thoughts on lee anderson's defection . anderson's defection. >> he's probably doing it to save his own bacon, to be honest , because the people around here

would probably vote for reform . would probably vote for reform. so that's probably all he is doing but while he looks doing it. but while he looks like he wants to speak truth, i know several people have asked him questions him awkward questions in meetings and banned meetings and then banned from the of a sudden, so the meetings all of a sudden, so it's pretty much same the others. >> do you think there should now be ashfield be a by—election in ashfield because vote for him because they didn't vote for him as candidate? they as a reform candidate? they did as a reform candidate? they did as a reform candidate? they did as a conservative. >> that's an awkward one, isn't it? it depends which. if i actually give a monkeys, i'd probably say should be probably say there should be a by—election since i don't give a monkeys, i don't care. wow is the only mp that speaks his mind. >> that's true . >> that's true. >> that's true. >> i mean, you can't vote for conservative anymore and you can't vote for labour, so it's the right you'll be voting for lee anderson. >> oh, definitely. >> oh, definitely. >> no way from both. >> no way from both. >> he's the best mp that's in parliament at the moment. >> well, i mean it's not my prerogative. what lee anderson

does, but i think that it would suit his views more than the conservative party. and he's tried the labour party already. so yeah, think, i think it's so yeah, i think, i think it's for him, maybe not for ashfield, but yeah, i think it's, i think that's his lane. i don't think i'd vote for him in whatever party he's in. i don't really like his views, but but yeah, i can see why people would. now he's in the reform party. yeah, i think it's time for change. yeah, yeah, i do , i think yeah, yeah, i do, i do, i think that ashfield is underfunded as it and hopefully any, any it is and hopefully any, any chance to stop that would be great. yeah. >> and how would be stopped >> and how would that be stopped with kind of party with what kind of a party here in ashfield, a labour in ashfield, i think a labour party would help , for the party would help, for the obvious reasons. really? yeah, yeah. working class sort of area and massively underfunded as we are. so >> well, those are streets i know. well, i campaigned there as a candidate against lee anderson of course, in 2019 election. my mum lives in ashfield and one thing chris, hope you get by talking to people like that, there are

many, many people in many seats like ashfield who think a lot more like lee anderson than they do his critics. >> the point well made by nigel farage is the honorary president of he made clear of reform uk. he made very clear that in fact this outside the bubble. a big seismic bubble. it's a big seismic moment . he hopes not going moment. he hopes i'm not going to what those people to find out what those people think in ashfield in terms of think in in ashfield in terms of actual, by—election. actual, actual by—election. there won't be one called. he's made he won't even made clear he won't even know the anderson up to the anderson did sign up to a motion tabled by anthony mangala , tory mp, saying that if you switch in parliament, switch sides in parliament, there's by—election there's an automatic by—election that reasoning that won't happen. the reasoning given party is it's like given by the party is it's like half £1 million to organise and the election is around the corner. election on corner. the election could be on may but i don't think may the 2nd, but i don't think so. >> chris, you for >> okay, chris, thank you for joining in the studio. great joining us in the studio. great stuff. we'll have stuff. and of course we'll have lots more that story at 5:00. lots more on that story at 5:00. and plenty coverage and there's plenty of coverage on website, gbnews.com. on our website, gbnews.com. and you've it the you've helped to make it the fastest growing national news website so thank website in the country. so thank you very much. you're you very much. now you're watching gb news watching or listening to gb news coming up, princess kate has issued official apology over issued an official apology over the manipulated photograph of

her and her children release on mother's day, saying she was simply expecting , starting with simply expecting, starting with editing. well, haven't we all done that? should she release the original photograph? or is it all just a bit of a storm in a teacup? we'll be discussing this next. i'm martin daubney on gb news channel

welcome back. it's 425. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news now, princess kate's photoshop faux pas the princess of wales has apologised for the confusion over a mother's day photo released by kensington palace yesterday. in a statement released . on social a statement released. on social media, kate said like many amateur photographers, i do occasionally experiment with editing. we done editing. haven't we all done the same? agencies same? and after picture agencies pulled picture over pulled the picture over manipulation concerns, people pulled the picture over ma|callingon concerns, people pulled the picture over ma|calling for:oncerns, people pulled the picture over ma|calling for the erns, people pulled the picture over ma|calling for the uneditedple are calling for the unedited photo to be released, but kensington have insisted kensington palace have insisted that they will not be reissuing the original photograph or drawing. now to discuss this, royal commentator jennie bond. jenny, welcome to the show. it's always a pleasure. is this a bit of a storm in a teacup? jenny

what? jenny. it feels to me almost. if the public is saying that they're almost wheeling around a waxwork dummy of kate in a land rover, and this is a huge fraud. she just edited a photograph and got a few things wrong, didn't she , yeah. wrong, didn't she, yeah. >> you are speaking exactly my thoughts. do think it's a thoughts. i do think it's a storm in a teacup. >> the princess of wales has made very few mistakes over recent made very few mistakes over rec> this, i think, is a mistake. >> this, i think, is a mistake. >> we have to say that this was a significant photo. the photo that we were waiting for to that we were all waiting for to show that she's on road to show that she's on the road to recovery , and the that recovery, and it's the one that she shouldn't edited. she shouldn't have edited. >> certainly shouldn't have >> and certainly shouldn't have edhed >> and certainly shouldn't have edited she's editing edited if she's as bad editing as clearly is and i think as she clearly is and i think would admit herself, i think personally, the picture agencies were a bit hasty in issuing this kill, kill the picture , mandate kill, kill the picture, mandate last night. >> it was late last night. they obviously weren't going to get a response from the palace at that stage. >> perhaps they'd been asking dunng >> perhaps they'd been asking during the day, i don't know, but, it seemed a rather over, over the top reaction. >> think what harm has been >> i think what harm has been done ? i mean, except

done? i mean, none, except i think to the princess's pride , i guess. >> jenny, initially the vacuum , >> jenny, initially the vacuum, the absence of a photograph fuelled the conspiracy theorists . and then when the photograph came along with these, you can see these little tweaks, photoshop changes, call them what you like. people again went into overdrive saying, oh, it's l, into overdrive saying, oh, it's i, it's not her. and here we are again. and in that sense, jenny is, is the palace is, responsible in a sense for fuelling this silly paranoia by putting out an image which really should have been checked a bit more closely before it went out . went out. >> yes, it certainly should have been checked by her people. >> and i think you're right to point to the void that has been left by palace. they they left by the palace. they they resist much being bounced resist so much being bounced into anything, the princess, as we know, wanted to give her her medical details. she wanted those to kept private. those to be kept private. >> the palace had no option >> and the palace had no option on really, to be on that, really, but to be forced into issuing, a photograph or video of her is

something a road they were never going to go down, and that's why this picture was so important. >> i do think now , though, that >> i do think now, though, that that void which really still exists is going to have to be filled in some way. i think that they really need to possibly put out a little video, which they often do on instagram before her operation. i think they need to do again fairly quickly, do that again fairly quickly, just to show moving of just to show moving images of the princess on the road to recovery. >> and do you think that will satisfy the critics, or will they never stop? or until she's like a triple sack on a trapeze? and you know, what do people actually want ? actually want? >> i know nothing will satisfy what used to be known as the twittersphere or tick tock land, but i think we as journalists need to beware of going down those rabbit holes and letting social media frenzy , drive the social media frenzy, drive the news agenda of serious news programs , because i'm quite programs, because i'm quite convinced there's nothing malicious here. she wasn't trying to mislead the public any more than the rest of us who put

up hashtag no filter, as if a surprise, a surprise that we didn't fiddle around with our photographs. no, i think we need to live in the real world. >> yeah, and, jenny, i mean, a lot of people there just see a wonderful picture of a mother with a wonderful kids on mother's day. isn't it a shame that spending so much time that we're spending so much time analysing data , rather analysing the macro data, rather than just celebrating what should be a wonderful moment ? should be a wonderful moment? >> i know, but it did ruin her mother's day. but mean, you mother's day. but i mean, you try getting three kids to all pose smile pose perfectly and smile brightly at the right moment, you ask, are they you know? you ask, are they going release the original going to release the original photo? no they're but photo? well, no they're not. but also may not just be one also it may not just be one photo, it could be a composite of several when they were all just caught right moment. just caught in the right moment. and made a botched and catherine made a botched attempt at making it into one picture. okay >> superb stuff. thanks for your time. a pleasure. royal time. always a pleasure. royal commentator. time. always a pleasure. royal commentator . the time. always a pleasure. royal commentator. the legend that is jennie you very jennie bond. thank you very much. wonder what you think much. i wonder what you think out there. get in touch. we've had bunch of emails on this had a bunch of emails on this actually. a couple actually. let me read a couple out as lee anderson.

out as well as lee anderson. this photograph has really got you says it's you going, brian says this. it's the thing that lots of the sort of thing that lots of people do just to the right people do just to get the right image. the especially image. and the poses, especially with three excited kids to contend with, lay off the princess. and ian says this. i wonder how many people on social media criticising the picture and questioning whether they can trust the palace, use their own unedhed trust the palace, use their own unedited photos as their profile picture, or instead hide behind edited, cropped or filter photographs . if indeed they use photographs. if indeed they use a picture of themselves at all. please can we lay off the princess and get a life ? do you princess and get a life? do you know what, ian? i think you speak for many people when you say that. why can't we just enjoy. look at it. it's a wondrous photograph and. okay, it's been badly edited. we it's been badly edited. don't we all from time to time all do that from time to time now? there's lots more still to come now and 5:00. come between now and 5:00. i'll bnng come between now and 5:00. i'll bring throughout show, bring you throughout the show, including all the latest reaction to our top story. of course, that's anderson's course, that's lee anderson's spectacularly defecting from the conservatives. who could conservatives. just who could follow there are

follow him. apparently there are nine others waiting in the wings. the reform nine. who could they be? but first, it's time for your latest news headunes time for your latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez . headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> martin. thank you. the top stories from the gb newsroom . stories from the gb newsroom. lee anderson says he would still have defected to the reform uk party, even if he hadn't been suspended from the conservatives. he became the party's first mp this morning after he lost the tory whip for claiming that islamists had got control of the mayor of london. polls suggest that around 13% of voters support reform and as recently as january, mr anderson said it was not a proper political party. he now says reform will allow him to speak out on behalf of millions . the out on behalf of millions. the families of barnaby webber and grace o'malley cooma, have welcomed news that nottinghamshire police has been put in special measures. the two teenagers and school caretaker, ian coates, died during a spate

of knife attacks in nottingham. the force has been told by a watchdog that it must urgently produce an improvement plan, amid concerns over how it carries out investigations . the carries out investigations. the energy regulator, ofgem, is looking at ways to protect consumers from spiralling costs amid a record number of unpaid bills. around £3.1 billion of debts are piling up as concerns grow over the high cost of household bills. it's after the price of energy in an average british home hit more than 3500 pounds a year last october. the queen has joined the prince of wales at westminster abbey for today's commonwealth day service. they're among the senior royals who are gathering for this year's event, which draws on the theme of resilience against backdrop health against a backdrop of health worries the family. though worries in the family. though he'll miss today's service, the king reaffirmed his commitment to the 56 member countries in a video message. >> as i've said before , the

>> as i've said before, the commonwealth is like the wiring of a house and its people are energy and our ideas are the current that runs through those wires together and individually. >> we are strengthened by sharing perspectives and experiences. my belief in our shared endeavours and in the potential of our people remains a sure and strong as it has ever been. >> for the latest stories you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gb news common shirts. >> thank you tatiana. you are watching or listening to gb news. now don't forget to get your views in on the big story of the day. and that is, of course, lee anderson defecting to reform uk gbviews@gbnews.com

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welcome back 437 is your time. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news. now, as the dust continues to settle on the magnificently, spectacularly disruptive news, the prominent red wall mp lee anderson has defected to reform uk labour shadow minister jonathan ashworth has said that the whole lee anderson saga exemplifies the chaos at the heart of the conservative party and emphasise the need for change. meanwhile, the conservatives are continuing to push the line that a vote for reform is a vote for the labour party. well, let's get the thoughts now of former labour special adviser paul richards. paul special adviser paul richards. paul, welcome to the studio. always a pleasure. so are the labour party today saying thank

you very much, lee anderson. you're going to split the vote in the red ward and let keir starmer right through the middle. you heard jonathan middle. well you heard jonathan ashworth it's not ashworth saying it's a it's not a for labour exemplifies a bad day for labour exemplifies this chaos. >> the labour party is trying to highlight at the of highlight at the heart of government. it it's government. but i think it it's more about what it means for the vote. i think it's not about one man. >> i think, three party lee will come and go as these defectors tend to in our first past the post system. >> but what it says about the vote that it now splitting vote is that it is now splitting disaggregating, fracturing that bloc vote centred bloc of right wing, vote centred right right wing votes is right and right wing votes is now splintering. and i'm afraid in our system , the only party in our system, the only party that benefits from that is the labour party. so that's why labour's tails are up today. because just about because it's not just about the chaos. because it's not just about the chaos . it's all how that chaos. it's all about how that looks of on the ground. looks in terms of on the ground. >> might it a right >> you might call it a right wing vote. a lot of people in places like ashfield, know, places like ashfield, you know, i i stood there, i campaign there, i stood there, i campaign there, i stood there, i against lee. mum i stood against lee. my mum lives there. i know the area very they won't call very well. they won't call themselves right wing. they call themselves working class and isn't authentic

themselves working class and isn't of authentic themselves working class and isn't of that authentic themselves working class and isn't of that working authentic themselves working class and isn't of that working class?�*|tic themselves working class and isn't of that working class? and voice of that working class? and many sir keir many people feel that sir keir starmers party isn't that. >> well, this is the this is the where battleground for the where the battleground for the election being fought, isn't it? >> and labour can persuade >> and if labour can persuade those who voted for boris those people who voted for boris in vote labour in 2024, in 2019 to vote labour in 2024, then labour stands a very good chance. the way , only way chance. and the way, only way you're to do that is not you're going to do that is not an identity politics and all this around culture wars. this stuff around culture wars. but the national but on the national health service potholes, service, potholes, schools, defence, know, the defence, you know, the traditional working class issues, bread and butter issues. >> you missed that one out. immigration is the number one issue in ashfield. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> that >> well that too, but a sense that, there's labour that, you know there's a labour government waiting which is government in waiting which is sensible security is not sensible on security is not going bankrupt country . going to bankrupt the country. it's not going to put you of it's not going to put you out of a you and i can show a job, you know, and i can show that we can run the place in a half decent way. that's john half decent way. that's why john ashworth about it ashworth was talking about it being a change. and being time for a change. and labour's they labour's argument is that they are our are the change. and in our system, a tory system, you know, it's a tory government or it's a labour government. where you government. that's where you get what's you up on what's what you wake up to on the friday morning. so that's that's of labour's that's the heart of labour's argument

that's the heart of labour's arg inent that's the heart of labour's arg i know that, call him 30 >> i know that, they call him 30 peel >> i know that, they call him 30 peel. just call him three peel. you just call him in three parties. lee and a sort of derogatory but isn't derogatory manner. but isn't the fact he's basically fact paul, that he's basically a working coal miner who was working class coal miner who was always originally a labour party, fact, he was a party, in fact, he was a councillor. campaigned for councillor. he campaigned for gloria piero, labour gloria de piero, he was labour through through. but he, through and through. but he, like others across the red like many others across the red wall, labour party left wall, felt the labour party left them behind. when brexit certainly came along and the continued kind of erosion of working class values the working class values as the labour party moved into being a more metropolitan more liberal metropolitan student based party. and there are a lot of people like lee that don't necessarily stand with a party. they stand for a set of values, values that the labour party wouldn't stood for and no longer do. >> well, first of all, people like lee, when they defect, always say it's the party's changed, not me, but it's usually them, isn't it? let's face it. so that's the first thing. these people leave their main party. disappear main party. they disappear without trace, by large. but without trace, by and large. but the of course, is the bigger point of course, is those voters who sensed that certainly under corbyn, the labour party had left them

behind and had become this other thing . but what starmer done thing. but what starmer has done and who is, you and angela rayner, who is, you know, class woman with know, a working class woman with a working class a solid working class background, the point background, has made the point that labour now has changed and now does reflect back those values in those seats that historically for 100 years were laboun historically for 100 years were labour. so corbyn threw it away . labour. so corbyn threw it away. but starmer is now getting it back inches. don't back by inches. i don't think it's a done deal though. you know, think the next know, i don't think the next election in the so election is in the bag. so that's why interesting that's why today is interesting because suggest that the because it does suggest that the tory bloc is, you know, tory bloc is, is, you know, collapsing disaggregating , collapsing disaggregating, whatever it might be and splitting the vote. but it's not over and we have many over yet. and we may have many months more this to come. months more of this to come. >> do you think will >> and do you think there will be other people following in, in lee footsteps from lee anderson's footsteps from the and the conservative party and crossing reform? and crossing over to reform? and if so, begins gather so, if it begins to gather a critical that something so, if it begins to gather a crmore that something so, if it begins to gather a crmore significant at something so, if it begins to gather a crmore significant threatiething so, if it begins to gather a crmore significant threat in1ing so, if it begins to gather a crmore significant threat in the a more significant threat in the red wall to both the labour party and tories? party and the tories? >> well, more a threat >> well, it's more of a threat to the tories, i would say, because splits vote and because it splits the vote and i don't know how many will. you know, think these know, i always think these rumours of mass defections and new of that,

new parties and all of that, i mean, they never really quite materialised, so let's materialised, do they? so let's see. you're writing this off. >> so you're writing this off. you it's anything you don't think it's anything the labour party be the labour party should be worried think worried about? you don't think that body. that there are significant body. we people voted we saw 4 million people voted ukip. it failed to ukip. okay it failed to translate seats. but there translate into seats. but there are people there are millions of people out there that feel the residual, that still feel the residual, brexit sentiment. they're concerned about immigration, concerned about immigration, concerned about immigration, concerned about a lot of things that the labour party might call politically incorrect but aren't being , and therefore being addressed, and therefore it vacuum people it creates a vacuum for people like to fill . like lee anderson to fill. >> well, think i mean, labour >> well, i think i mean, labour is hard those is working hard to win those votes back and talk about votes back and to talk about those bread and butter issues. and is things the health and it is things like the health service schools for our kids service and schools for our kids and house live and our decent house to live in, and our decent house to live in, and that really do and those things that really do matter people. i matter to people, to people. i think more so than some of these other in brexit. it's other issues in brexit. it's been and you we have other issues in brexit. it's been a|the you we have other issues in brexit. it's been a|the realityyu we have other issues in brexit. it's been a|the reality we're we have other issues in brexit. it's been a|the reality we're in we have how. >> now. >> people that sir keir >> people think that sir keir might and take us closer might try and take us closer back brussels. back to brussels. >> i don't think but >> well, i don't think so. but he might us closer back to he might take us closer back to a health service and a working health service and mending some of the potholes. and what we want and i think that's what we want from government in future. from a government in the future. you know, on with the you know, just get on with the

job. it be great to job. wouldn't it be great to have a when wake up and have a day when we wake up and there's politics in the news, there's no politics in the news, just government getting just the government just getting on making our lives on with it and making our lives slightly that's slightly better each day? that's what you know, what that's the offer, you know, just administration that just solid administration that doesn't just solid administration that doe but what we talk about, paul, >> but what we talk about, paul, well, they talk about football. well, point, well, but on a serious point, lee anderson something lee anderson has done something you today, you know, seismic today, potentially terms of that, potentially in terms of that, that of what conservative that reset of what conservative values stand for. a lot of people think he represents people think that he represents what is, the what conservatives is, and the conservative party no longer does . actually, the tories does that. actually, the tories are quite similar to the labour party. >> well, it's a big mess for the tories isn't it. and i think i mean sunak was put in don't forget to be the change and to not liz truss to he's now not be liz truss and to he's now in position truss in a worse position than truss was, and, you know, he's massively behind in the polls and he now would seem as bottled the prospect an in the prospect of an election in may. it would seem like he's going long on so going to go long on that. so they are you they're in a they are you know, they're in a death now really. and death spiral now really. and this is just another sign of death spiral now really. and this i maybe nother sign of death spiral now really. and this i maybe there'll;ign of death spiral now really. and this i maybe there'll be of death spiral now really. and this i maybe there'll be 1)f death spiral now really. and this i maybe there'll be 1 or 2 that. maybe there'll be 1 or 2 more will another, more and that will be another, part the bigger picture. but part of the bigger picture. but it a it's governing party it is a it's a governing party

in decline again, which is why labour saying, for heaven's labour is saying, for heaven's sake, us out our sake, just put us out of our misery, get with have an misery, get on with it, have an election, let the people election, and let the people decide. six decide. rather than another six months great months of this superb, great stuff. months of this superb, great stu�*paul as a former >> paul richards, as a former labour special adviser, thanks very joining us the very much forjoining us in the studio in westminster. now moving you win the moving on, you could win the spnng moving on, you could win the spring essentials and our latest great british giveaway. there's spring essentials and our latest g|garden:ish giveaway. there's spring essentials and our latest g|garden gadgeteaway. there's spring essentials and our latest g|garden gadget package ere's spring essentials and our latest g|garden gadget package ,re's spring essentials and our latest g|garden gadget package , a's a garden gadget package, a shopping spree and £12,345 in cash. 12345 tax free. here's all the details . the details. >> we have a ton of top prizes to be won in our spring giveaway. there's a massive £12,345 in tax free cash to spend however you like, along with £500 in shopping vouchers for your favourite store, a games console, a pizza oven and a portable sonos smart speaker. and the best news? you could be our next big winner. just like phil , whoever wins it next is phil, whoever wins it next is going to be as happy as i was, and they're going to get even more money this time round, so why wouldn't you in the draw why wouldn't you go in the draw for your chance the for your chance to win the

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i >> earlier on breakfast, what was deemed to be a fairly innocuous photograph of the princess of wales and her children, which was put out for mother's day. but it has erupted into a scandal for international picture. >> agencies have killed this image. that's really rare. i can't think of a time since i've been doing this forjob can't think of a time since i've been doing this for job the can't think of a time since i've been doing this forjob the best been doing this for job the best part of 15 years, where a royal image has been recalled, they knew this image would be so scrutinised because it was the

first official one we've seen since her abdominal surgery, and all theorists, all the conspiracy theorists, you just adding fuel you know, it's just adding fuel to this fire. >> we're making sure that the british people are kept safe from forms of from the various forms of extremism that we sadly see in our country. >> every morning it's breakfast from a.m. hope you join . us. >> welcome back. 450 is your time. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news and there's plenty more to bring you throughout the show, including the to show, including the reaction to the of the day. lee the big news of the day. lee anderson, of course, joining reform let know your reform uk. let me know your thoughts on that pinging thoughts on that one. pinging oven thoughts on that one. pinging over, now, a total of 58 over, please. now, a total of 58 survivors of terror attacks inspired by islamist extremism have signed an open letter calling for an end to anti—muslim hate. they also criticised some politicians for effectively equating being muslim with being an extremist, which they argue makes the job of islamist extremists easier and plays into the hands of terrorists. well, this comes as

michael gove is set to redefine extremism with this week , with extremism with this week, with labour's rachel reeves saying it's always right to tackle extremism and hatred wherever it rears its head . we're joined now rears its head. we're joined now as mohammed akunjee parliamentary candidate for bethnal green and stepney. welcome to the show, mohammed . welcome to the show, mohammed. always a pleasure to have you on. so you've read the letter today? there's been a lot of talk about extremism on the streets . we've seen protests streets. we've seen protests each week. we've a huge each week. we've seen a huge boom in anti—semitism. what do you think of the situation currently in britain ? currently in britain? >> yeah, i mean, it's fractures, but i think it's fractures mainly because it's been engineered to be so by our leading political figures , we've leading political figures, we've heard from rishi sunak and as well as from, elements on the labour side that they're recategorizing these very peaceful marches as extremism marches, even though the police are confirming they're not. so when you have the rhetoric pushed out to say something is extremist when it isn't, and it

just turns into a moral panic, in terms of recategorizing this move towards, reading defining extremism is already done in a, in a context where we have a very troublesome definition of extremism, where the un themselves have stated that is counterproductive, that actually the definition of extremism by the definition of extremism by the prevent strategy is something that has caused extremism. amnesty international even last year said that the whole scheme should be should be scrapped. what we see from gove, though, is not only is it not being scrapped, but it's being even wider, or widened to even wider, or widened in to order try and encompass effectively everybody what he succeeded do is quite succeeded to do is quite amazing. i have to say. one has to doff their capped at michael gove. he's managed to, elicit, negative reactions from every single part of the spectrum of british society, from the, from arguably the far right, all the way to, to the far left ,

way to, to the far left, including criticism from three ex—home secretaries, all of which are not known for being soft on anything. >> well, mohammed, you're currently an independent candidate, am i right? but you make no bones about the fact you'd like to throw your hat into the ring with george galloway, you? from the galloway, would you? from the from he's been from his party, he's been criticised being something of criticised as being something of an extremist in the past, hasn't he?soi an extremist in the past, hasn't he?so i certainly i share >> so i certainly i share certain values with what mr galloway has said, but i'm not throwing my hat in the ring with his party, while i hope to do and i hope that this is, a movement by the electorate that they, in this election, pick independent candidates who share a value, platform and put some pressure on labour and also the conservative party for departing away from the wishes of our electorate and doing effectively what they want against any sort of political mandate . that's of political mandate. that's particularly when we've got a prime minister who wasn't even elected in complaining and complaining about how the electorate elected an

electorate has elected an individual in rochdale. it's almost farcical where we are . almost farcical where we are. >> mohammed, what do you say about nigel farage said about when nigel farage said that we are entering a period of sectarian politics in the uk and that involves voting along religious lines, particularly along muslim lines, and in fact, where you plan to stand, i believe bethnal green has the eighth highest muslim vote in the uk. is that the way that politics should going politics should be going by voting religion ? >> well, 7- >> well, i 7— >> well, i don't ? >> well, i don't think anyone's voting on grounds of religion. the call from the street, the constituency that i represent and many constituencies up and down the country is not a religious call. it is one to simply recognise that what israel is doing in palestine is unacceptable according to international law, and that under the definition of what genocide is and our responsibility under the genocide convention, that it falls responsible for our politicians to do what they can to stop that happening. now that is not can i, can i can i can i ask— is not can i, can i can i can i ask you about there was an

arrest. >> in fact, we've got the guy on later in the show. there's an arrest for a guy holding up a sign saying terrorist. sign saying hamas is terrorist. would with that sentiment? >> the sentiment that somebody arrested for holding up a sign that hamas is that person is simply stating the law? i can't see why he was arrested for that. >> yeah, i agree with that . and >> yeah, i agree with that. and isn't that part of the problem that we have a situation now where we just have increased division on the streets? >> i think problem there is, >> i think the problem there is, is depends on the context of is it depends on the context of where he may well have where he is. he may well have been in order to try been arrested in order to try and greater fracas . if and avoid a greater fracas. if he has been provocative. i don't think he should have been arrested. think should have arrested. i think it should have been away. and been encouraged away. and i would he isn't charged would hope that he isn't charged because can't criminal because i can't see a criminal offence increasingly offence there. but increasingly it shows the problem. the problem. thank you very much. >> to leave there. >> we have to leave it there. i'm afraid we're simply out of time. akunjee, time. mohammed akunjee, parliamentary candidate for bethnal stepney, bethnal green and stepney, thank you coming on the you very much for coming on the show and would like to speak to you in the future. now you again in the future. now you're or listening to you're watching or listening to gb coming the

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well -- well . well. >> a very good afternoon to you. and a very happy monday. it's 5 pm. welcome to the martin p.m. welcome to the martin daubney show on gb news. broadcasting live from the heart of westminster. all across the uk. on today's show, our top story, lee anderson, the former deputy chair of the tory party and mp for ashfield, the heart of the red wall, defects the richard tice reform uk party who could follow? just how significant could this be? could there be conservative mps defecting to reform? there are rumours that there are nine said to be considering the move . the to be considering the move. the last thing the record low polling prime minister rishi sunak surely needs a red wall headache and princess kate has issued an official apology over

the manipulated photograph of her and her children released on mother's day, saying she was simply experimenting with editing. and haven't we all done that? so should she now release the original, or should we just keep our noses out? that's all coming up in your next action packed hour. good afternoon, you wonderful people . you've been wonderful people. you've been getting in touch in your droves. hundreds and hundreds of emails. the big topics really got you going. of course, lee anderson crossing over to reform. is that the right thing for him to have done? there was a rambunctious press conference this morning, lee said. i want my country back. that was his opening line. his big pitch. many, many people out there completely agree , lee. out there completely agree, lee. we're seeing our country change before our eyes. lee anderson, verbalising that richard tice saying that's the right thing to do. will he be missed? will all

others follow, or is he splitting the vote , letting sir splitting the vote, letting sir keir starmer run through the middle and straight into downing street? get in touch all the usual ways. please email me gbviews@gbnews.uk . com but gbviews@gbnews.uk. com but before we get cracking into all of that, it's time for your latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez . tatiana sanchez. >> martin. thank you . the top >> martin. thank you. the top stories from the gb newsroom. lee anderson says he would still have defected to the reform uk party, even if he hadn't been suspended from the conservatives. he became the party's first mp this morning after he lost the tory whip for claiming that islamists had got control of the mayor of london. polls suggest that around 13% of voters support reform and as recently as january, mr anderson said it was not a proper political party. he now says reform will allow him to speak out on behalf of millions. shadow paymaster general

jonathan ashworth says it's a blow to rishi sunak's government i >> -- >> what i think this reveals is the sheer chaos in the conservative party, a government divided from top to bottom, and rishi sunak too weak to exert any authority and a divided government cannot govern in the interests of the country. i think people have had enough of this and after 14 years of failure, this proves once again that it failure, this proves once again thatitis failure, this proves once again that it is time for change. >> shortly after mr anderson's defection to reform was announced today, gb news asked people in his constituency of ashfield how they feel about his decision to join the party. >> he's probably doing it to save his own bacon, to be honest, because the people around here would probably vote for reform, so that's probably all he is doing. it. it speaks truth and that's a lot of people don't like that. >> so i think it's very nice. and i don't have any issues about him at all. >> well, i mean it's not my prerogative. what lee anderson

does , but i think that it would does, but i think that it would suit his views more than the conservative party. and he tried the labour party already. so, yeah , i think, i think it's for yeah, i think, i think it's for him, maybe not for ashfield , but him, maybe not for ashfield, but yeah, i think it's, that's his lane. >> two other news, the princess of wales has apologised for an altered family photo released by kensington palace. posting to social media, she admitted like many amateur photographers, she occasionally experiments with editing, adding she was sorry for any confusion it caused . the for any confusion it caused. the mother's day image taken by the prince of wales was withdrawn by various global photo agencies after suspicions that a number of edits may have been made . an of edits may have been made. an aristocrat accused of neglecting her newborn baby, leading to her death , told a court today that death, told a court today that she'd planned to pay someone to smuggle the child overseas. 36 year old constance marten went on the run with her partner mark gordon , who's 49, in an attempt gordon, who's 49, in an attempt to keep their baby after four

other children were taken into care. miss martin said she and her partner had planned to smuggle themselves abroad , smuggle themselves abroad, evading a ban on her leaving the country. their child , who was country. their child, who was named victoria, died while they were the run from police were on the run from police camping in wintry conditions on the downs near brighton the south downs near brighton last year. both defendants deny the them . the the charges against them. the case continuing . case is continuing. nottinghamshire police has been told by a watchdog that it must urgently produce an improvement plan after it was put into special measures. the families of barnaby webber and grace o'malley. kuma welcomed the news as the two teenagers and school caretaker, ian coates, died dunng caretaker, ian coates, died during a spate of knife attacks in nottingham. the force has been asked to improve how it manages and carries out effective investigations, and to put measures in place ensure put measures in place to ensure victims get the support they need. victims get the support they need . the energy regulator, need. the energy regulator, ofgem, is looking at ways to protect consumers from spiralling costs amid a record

number of unpaid bills, around £3.1 number of unpaid bills, around £31 billion of debts are piling £3.1 billion of debts are piling up as concerns grow over the high cost of household bills . high cost of household bills. it's after the price of energy in an average british home hit more than 3500 pounds a year last october. passengers on board a flight from australia to new zealand endured a terrifying mid—air moment when the plane unexpectedly dropped . 50 people unexpectedly dropped. 50 people were injured, with witnesses describing chaos inside the cabin saying some were thrown to the ceiling with enough force to break roof panels. 12 passengers were taken to hospital when the flight landed in auckland , with flight landed in auckland, with one in a serious condition. the boeing 787 sudden loss in altitude is still being investigated , and latam airlines investigated, and latam airlines says the technical event caused the sudden movement during the flight . and the queen has joined flight. and the queen has joined the prince of wales at westminster abbey for today's commonwealth day service . commonwealth day service. they're among the senior royals who are gathering for this

year's event, which draws on the theme of resilience against a backdrop of health worries in the family. though he'll miss the family. though he'll miss the service today, the king reaffirmed his commitment to the 56 member countries in a video message . message. >> as i've said before, the commonwealth is like the wiring of a house and its people . all of a house and its people. all our energy and our ideas are the current that runs through those wires . together and wires. together and individually, we are strengthened by sharing perspectives and experiences. my belief in our shared endeavours and in the potential of our people remains a sure and strong as it has ever been . as it has ever been. >> for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen . or you can go to gb news screen. or you can go to gb news common alerts. now it's back to .

martin. >> thank you. tatiana now let's get stuck in and get back to the news that are surely shake in westminster to its core today. which of course, is at red wall mp lee anderson, the rottweiler , mp lee anderson, the rottweiler, has joined richard tice reform party, announcing the move at a press conference earlier today at 1030 this morning, anderson, who was recently suspended by the conservative party, of course, for his criticised remarks about london mayor sadiq khan, made on this very show two weeks ago friday. well, he accused the tories of stifling free speech and said he found it unpalatable that he'd been disciplined for speaking his mind and he also went on to claim other tory mps share his views , but would not stick their views, but would not stick their heads above the parapet . well, heads above the parapet. well, joining me now in the studio to discuss this and sink his fangs into this red meat, is gb news political editor, chris hope. chris, you were at the press conference. you asked the first question, the opening line that

lee anderson roared, i want my country back. and we've had hundreds of emails today, chris. the message seems to have landed pretty well. >> yeah. hi, martin. yeah, it wasn't a front looking to wasn't a front row. looking to get question to lee get the first question to lee anderson. mean, big anderson. i mean, the big question is what's changed since early you said you early january when you said you weren't to join reform? we weren't going to join reform? we knew, course, revealed on knew, of course, i revealed on your programme a while ago now, the on the services the meeting on the m1 services between richard tice reform uk, the holiday inn bromance liam broady as well like 20 minute meeting and that key meeting i think set the hares running in westminster, he said. it was a george galloway by—election win that that he couldn't that he felt that he couldn't take any further. he's worrying about it and he felt that, you know, given what galloway had done a stand, he fell done to take a stand, he fell out a tory over the out with a tory party over the remarks on programme here, remarks on your programme here, didn't he called sadiq didn't he, when he called sadiq khan extremist for khan and his extremist mates for not stepping in, allowing the met police to step in and stop those words being projected onto the big ben. which the tower of big ben. which offences ? the jews and israelis. offences? the jews and israelis. so a long so yeah, it's been a long journey. was , of course, you journey. he was, of course, you remember, don't fought

remember, don't you fought him in general election? he in 2019, general election? he was used to be a labour councillor . he voted tory for councillor. he voted tory for the first time for himself in 2019. so he's on a journey and it carries on who goes with him? i think there are as many as nine tory mps right now in talks with reform uk about joining. it may happen. there may be more going than they could going across than they could end up a which is, the up being a party, which is, the third biggest in parliament, ahead of the lib dems. even in mps numbers. but earlier, my colleague olivia utley did speak to richard tice and he asked she asked richard tice about the prospects of the party. and here's what you had to say. >> we're going to do actually, is get our message out there. lee is to champion lee is going to be our champion of this is going of the red wall. this is going to us the polls to boost us in the polls rapidly. and here's my prediction . by the summer, we're prediction. by the summer, we're going to close that gap with the tories. now about or 6% tories. we're now about 5 or 6% behind on couple of polls that behind on a couple of polls that could close to almost we could close to almost zero if we keep the progress we're keep making the progress we're making . making. >> see, that is interesting. if he's going to be this de facto

red wall campaigner to galvanise the red bull and we're thinking about who are the reform nine without naming names, i've got a list here which i think is going to be pretty accurate. >> yeah, i wouldn't show the viewers , but i think the hit viewers, but i think the hit list is going to be 2019 first timers, brexiteers, red waters, not much historical bond to the conservative party small margins, transactional margin. the key thing is it's transactional . these people transactional. these people weren't expected to win in 2019. they came across because they were seduced by the boris johnson bandwagon . on the idea johnson bandwagon. on the idea of getting brexit done. they were, of course , mainly were, of course, mainly brexiteers wanting to deliver on that for the red wall. mainly, i think you'll be finding, if you look at the list of tory mps with a majority of fewer than 5000, they'll be wondering should what's should i go across what's the attraction? going attraction? what are you going to maybe nigel farage to get? maybe nigel farage campaigning for you the next general you'll get general election? you'll get a lot focus. the problem might

lot of focus. the problem might be know where your be you don't know where your supporters for the reform supporters live for the reform party, often the party. party, that's often the party. often problem with these often the problem with these small where small parties is data. where do they bert, the current the they live, bert, the current the incumbent tory mps for the seats. they will know where their vote is. so in that sense, they will have that edge. the historical thing. oh, you know where your vote is. this lot will, and you're going with the grain on swing. grain on the swing. >> the is towards labour >> the swing is towards labour away the tory party. if you away from the tory party. if you can worse for the tory can make that worse for the tory party not do it? it's very party why not do it? it's very bad the tory party he bad news for the tory party he was an independent mp forjust was an independent mp for just two he wasn't leaving two weeks, so he wasn't leaving as mp and joining a as a as a tory mp and joining a reform. a really , reform. but it's a really, really look. really bad look. >> question will be how >> a big question will be how many have signed up to many people have signed up to the party today? and also don't forget brexit party , which forget the brexit party, which reform was largely reform party became, was largely motivated by those £25 a pop individual. donors who felt part of a collective democratic movement could lee anderson switch on that funding model? >> well, we'll see if i've asked the numbers from the reform party if i can get them back in

time, i'll pop back in the studio often studio and tell you. but often you see big move. one of you do see a big move. one of these big events happen for any, any you'll see other any party. you'll see other other members and you're other other members and you're looking the response looking at your the response here gb news some here from gb news viewers. some of joining to what of them might be joining to what do you think rishi sunaks people will today? will be saying today? >> is it head in the hands moment a of facepalm moment moment a sort of facepalm moment 7 moment a sort of facepalm moment ? they want is ? the last thing they want is more news. more bad news. >> it's one of resignation. the party statement saying , party statement was saying, well, he wouldn't he wouldn't apologise he said. we well, he wouldn't he wouldn't apologvery he said. we well, he wouldn't he wouldn't apologvery clearly he said. we well, he wouldn't he wouldn't apologvery clearly from aid. we well, he wouldn't he wouldn't apologvery clearly from jamese heard very clearly from james cleverly, the home secretary, jeremy chancellor. jeremy hunt, the chancellor. unless say lee unless you say sorry, lee anderson, those anderson, for those remarks about khan, can't come about sadiq khan, you can't come back. it's very clear from back. and it's very clear from the the platform today. the from the platform today. he wasn't apologise. so wasn't going to apologise. so i think accepting what's think they're accepting what's happened problem happened here. the problem they've on this they've got just finally on this one anderson does one is the anderson does does symbolise, i think for the reform for the tory party what they're missing. he was red wall made flesh to quote that line there from the bbc. he was someone who i think who was who was as important was really seen as important would. many in the south, would. and many in the south, many supporters in the south looked at and thought, these

looked at him and thought, these are northern cousins. are our new northern cousins. why are they winning tory votes now it's a bit now he's gone away? it's a bit of day for the tory party of a bad day for the tory party and richard tice very competent leader. >> ben very competent and >> ben habib, very competent and widdicombe competent . but widdicombe very competent. but they do lack that working class connection . could that piece of connection. could that piece of the jigsaw be shaped like lee anderson ? anderson? >> yeah, i think you can say richard tice talks maybe the south more than lee anderson talks and the person talks the north. and the person who both those groups who talks to both those groups is farage. far he's is nigel farage. and so far he's not what his plans are. not sure what his plans are. >> well, let's see, that's another they do , if they another one. if they do, if they do get a bump the polls, do get a bump in the polls, would what would that be would lee what would that be with mr farage on top? that's one oven with mr farage on top? that's one over. thank you very one to chew oven thank you very much, chris. always a pleasure. now let's move on. prince william made his first william has made his first pubuc william has made his first public since his public appearance since his wife admitted editing their admitted to editing their mother's day picture. the prince of accompanied the queen, of wales accompanied the queen, today's commonwealth service. there your screen , just there he is on your screen, just over the road from us here. and this comes as princess of this comes as the princess of wales that, like many wales said that, like many amateur she does amateur photographers, she does occasionally experiment with

editing . now, many are calling editing. now, many are calling for the unedited photo to be released, but kensington palace have insisted that they will not be reissuing the original photograph . and many might ask, photograph. and many might ask, well, why should they? well, joining me now is royal biographer and photographer ian lloyd. welcome to the show. lloyd. ian, welcome to the show. so at first we had a vacuum that was filled by conspiracy theories about where is kate now? we've got a photograph that's gone out and the conspiracy theorists are at it again . ian, was she simply, as again. ian, was she simply, as she said, experimenting with editing? and therefore, is this just a storm in a teacup ? just a storm in a teacup? >> well, i tend to think it is really a bit of an overreaction from the agencies. i mean, i think , it wasn't just think, it wasn't just experimenting. i mean, she was doing what we all do is, you know, she taken a photograph and thought, well, i it'd be better if we just got rid of x, y, and z, you know, just just tidied up that jumper and bits and pieces , that jumper and bits and pieces, and probably thought it and she probably thought it would as a nice would be accepted as a nice amateur photograph showing the

family together , you know, a family together, you know, a sort of, just a sort of pr gesture, but it's, it's backfired terribly. and like you said, there's the conspiracy theorists beforehand who were concerned about kate's health and so on and rumours going around. and now more conspiracy theorists will say, well, why if, if they're doing that to the photographs, perhaps there are other things that we don't know, you know. so just going to you know. so it's just going to drag and yet, ian, the drag on and yet, ian, the reaction from some quarters almost been as if, no, i dunno, they stuck a waxwork dummy of kate in back of a land rover kate in the back of a land rover and driven around sandringham. >> is just a >> i mean, this is just a photograph that she's modified >> i mean, this is just a photitjraph that she's modified >> i mean, this is just a photit has1 that she's modified >> i mean, this is just a photit has to 1at she's modified >> i mean, this is just a photit has to be she's modified >> i mean, this is just a photit has to be said; modified >> i mean, this is just a photit has to be said infodified >> i mean, this is just a photit has to be said in the fied and it has to be said in the overriding reaction we've had from gb news viewers here is that haven't we all edited pictures, especially if we've had surgery, especially if we're feeling a bit below par? and hasn't this taken the shine off a wonderful mother's day moment? >> yeah, absolutely. that's that's my feeling. i mean, it's

gone on for, you know, a century and a half since, queen victoria's time, when photography was invented. i mean, she her photographs were airbrushed to an inch of her life. i mean, they got rid of the bags under her eyes and the lines and everything, and then put out these lovely pictures that showed this iconic old lady and. and the queen mother with cecil beaton. he sort of slimmed her down she getting her down when she was getting a bit matronly, you know, did her a great favour and, and, that relationship's through, relationship's gone on through, through history. so, i mean, they're only continuing to do that and she's doing what any mother would do if she thought a child would look a bit better with, you know, a bit of tidying up here and there, then that's what you but i imagine in what you do. but i imagine in future there'll be outsourced, what you do. but i imagine in futu know, 'e'll be outsourced, what you do. but i imagine in futu know, sende outsourced, what you do. but i imagine in futu know, send them;ourced, what you do. but i imagine in futu know, send them off �*ced, what you do. but i imagine in futu know, send them off �*ce(him. you know, send them off to him. mi6 or something, and get somebody to, you know, sort them out properly. i suppose . out properly. i suppose. >> well, ian, if you can get rid of a few years and a few pounds and baggy eyes, i might and baggy eyes, mate, i might give call after the show, give you a call after the show, but on a on a serious

but on a on a on a on a serious note . on a serious note, should note. on a serious note, should the palace just have been a bit more, meticulous in how they scrutinise the image before it went out? if there's one error, surely maybe it's that. >> yeah, because the it's a repeat performance because there was a photograph kate took of the queen, the late queen, with her great grandchildren and somebody said, oh, that's been photoshopped can photoshopped because you can see, on charles, she's see, you know, on charles, she's not quite in line with the others or something. and then there was the christmas card last year, wasn't there with, the fact that louis had apparently lost a finger and one of the children had gained a leg. i don't know how they managed that, but it was just sort of, it was not ideal sort of, it was not an ideal picture. and was widely picture. and that was widely commented on the papers, but commented on in the papers, but it all good naturedly. commented on in the papers, but it hasl good naturedly. commented on in the papers, but it has obviouslyyod naturedly. commented on in the papers, but it has obviously escalatedjly. commented on in the papers, but it has obviously escalated .y. commented on in the papers, but it has obviously escalated . so this has obviously escalated. so i think they've got to be very careful in the future. >> so do you think ian, this is just, a minor blip and the palace will soon ride over it. >> oh, yeah, of course . i mean, >> oh, yeah, of course. i mean, there'll be another story tomorrow. i mean, prince andrew will fall off his horse or , you

will fall off his horse or, you know, meghan will do know, harry and meghan will do something announce her role something that announce her role for president. know, for next president. you know, it's that the next it's going to that the next story will take over. so i wouldn't wouldn't lose any sleep overit wouldn't wouldn't lose any sleep over it because a fantastic thanks for joining us over it because a fantastic thanks forjoining us on the thanks for joining us on the show. >> meghan is all smile. royal biographer photographer ian biographer and photographer ian lloyd. excellent stuff. you've got these things. got to smile about these things. everyone so uptight. oh my everyone gets so uptight. oh my god, taken over. you god, the eye is taken over. you know these are lizard people. no, just photograph that no, it's just a photograph that had a bit of a tickle and it gives someone something to talk about. and becomes about. and it becomes tittle tattle. you lots more tattle. well, you get lots more on story on our website. on that story on our website. and thanks to you, gbnews.com is the fastest growing national news website in country. news website in the country. it's breaking news and all it's got breaking news and all of the brilliant analysis you've come to expect from gb news. now brace yourselves because it's time now for the latest great british giveaway and your chance to win £12,345. that's one, 234 £5 in cash tax free and a whole host of seasonal treats. and here's how you could get your

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good luck ! good luck! >> okay, a short while ago chris hoped asked the question, he sent a message to reform hq to ask them how many new members they'd attracted today. and chris, you've got an update. >> yeah, 750 people have joined the party. now. that's quite a lot for a small party. it just shows the impact, i think. and you're seeing in your emails there, the impact that this tight the defection of tight effect, the defection of lee hanson has the party. lee hanson has had on the party. >> 7 to 50 people have >> they go 7 to 50 people have joined the reform in joined the reform party in a single thanks that single day, thanks that defection earlier on of lee anderson. an immediate defection earlier on of lee anders

welcome back. the time is 524. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news now,

as the dust continues to settle on the news, the prominent red wall mp lee anderson has defected to reform uk labour shadow minister jonathan ashworth has said that the whole lee anderson saga exemplifies the chaos at the heart of the conservative party, and emphasises the need for change. meanwhile, the conservatives are continuing to push the line that a vote for reform is a vote for the labour party. well, i can now speak with the business and agricultural spokesman for reform uk , rupert lowe. rupert, reform uk, rupert lowe. rupert, welcome to the show. always a pleasure, rupert. a lot of people have been saying for a long time that, richard tice ben habib yourself, the whole reform mob, very, very competent, very, very adept . mob, very, very competent, very, very adept. but what you're missing was that working class grit . is lee anderson. the grit. is lee anderson. the missing piece of that jigsaw ? missing piece of that jigsaw? >> well, we're delighted, martin, to welcome him. >> and good to be on your show. >> and good to be on your show. >> thank you for having me on, we're delighted to have him

amongst us, to have mp in amongst us, to have an mp in parliament is incredibly powerful for us, as you as you know, we've been going up in the polls , the tories in football polls, the tories in football terms have been scoring own goals left , right and centre. goals left, right and centre. and i think with lee anderson, they've another huge own they've scored another huge own goal they've scored another huge own goal, i mean, he expressed an opinion which many of us would agree with, and the tory party suspended him. so at the end of the day, i think he has seen the light. he may well have read our working draft of our manifesto, which i think once most people see that martin, i think they'll be voting in increasing numbers for reform , it's, it's based on for reform, it's, it's based on common sense and it is exactly what the tory party should be doing . but as what the tory party should be doing. but as we what the tory party should be doing . but as we know, they've doing. but as we know, they've lost their way. they've got very weak gene pool as a result of david cameron's selection policies and reform is offering , policies and reform is offering, the people of britain an opportunity to change the way in which they govern, which is now

long overdue. so i, i think this will help us in the polls. i think we'll see another surge in the polls. and i we're delighted to have him amongst us. so, yeah , i think i think with regard to your comment on other tories, there must be other tories who are thinking the same way. they're seeing the polls . i they're seeing the polls. i mean, we're only 5% behind them in of polls now. i in a lot of the polls now. i think will thinking the think they will be thinking the same those same thing, particularly those in wall seats. and in the red wall seats. and i think lee will help us with the red wall seats, given his previous sort of experience , as previous sort of experience, as you know, with different parties and in different roles. >> yeah, indeed. he has had three parties now, in fact, to be uncharitable, rupert , you be uncharitable, rupert, you might say lee anderson has had more parties than elton john, but certainly he stood against you, martin, didn't he, in 2019. >> so you probably know him better than me. >> yeah, he did, and he completely kicked my butt out of ashfield. i've still got the scars prove but we just scars to prove it, but we just heard rupert. 750 people have signed for the reform party

signed up for the reform party today. if it's £25 a pop, that's a thick of 19 grand. that's a thick end of 19 grand. that's a thick end of 19 grand. that's a lot of movement in one day. >> well, i think again, not only will mps be thinking about it, tory mps, but also i think donors will start to now, you know, divert funds that otherwise they would be giving to the tories because, as i say, they've lost their way. they're no longer they've become no longer tories, they've become in george galloway's sort of terms , two cheeks of the same terms, two cheeks of the same backside. i it's it you know, i don't particularly like george galloway, but i think it's rather a good analogy . rather a good analogy. >> and you think, of course the, the age old criticism will come out, as we saw in that 2019 election, voting for the reform party will simply split the vote. it will simply let sir keir starmer waltz through the middle and get the keys to downing street . downing street. >> well, i think the answer to that, martin, is we did stand down in 2019. nigel, as you know, stood down in all the tory

seats and we gifted , a 90 and 80 seats and we gifted, a 90 and 80 seats and we gifted, a 90 and 80 seat majority to boris johnson . seat majority to boris johnson. and i don't as i, as i presented to lunch last week where simon heffer was present and he wrote a wonderful article over the weekend about the reform party. and i asked these collection of people, who i was addressing . people, who i was addressing. what can you remember that the tory party has done with an 80 seat majority? so, as you know, i stood down in dudley north. i gifted a seat to a man called marco longhi , i think we've in marco longhi, i think we've in the past , shown, really, we've the past, shown, really, we've put the country before our party. and unfortunately, the tory party, given an 80 seat majority margin. wouldn't you love to get your teeth into great britain with an 80 seat majority? i would i would be handing quangos. you know, we spend 275 billion a year on unaccountable quangos, which basically is a huge amount of taxpayers money wasted. i mean, we see waste everywhere . and i

we see waste everywhere. and i think, you know, we've got to see policies which shrink the state and return power to the people who actually pay the tax, which is the taxpaying hard working, decent people of middle england, and when we see a party that does that, this country has got the best people we need to we need to deal with benefits and people not working. and people self—certifying with depress and mental health problems and everything else. i think that's a big issue we've got to sort out, but we've got the raw material here, we've got the raw material here, we've got the structure, we've got the best we've just got the best people. we've just got the worst leadership. i mean, our our structure is wrong now our whole structure is wrong now and i think everybody can see it when i stood in kingswood in the by—election, their recently people are disillusioned not just with with the tories. they're disillusioned with westminster, with the civil service with the way in which we're spending all this money on, on woke diverse and inclusion, and as i've said, you know , the selection process for know, the selection process for parliament was based on diverse

and inclusion and quotas, not on the ability to serve the british people. so let's get some common sense back and let's start to get some proper government. and i think the fact that we're going up in poll in the polls this far shows people want it and we can deliver it . and we can deliver it. >> okay. well, it's all to play for. thank you very much for fon thank you very much for joining us. that's rupert lowe , joining us. that's rupert lowe, the business and agriculture spokesman reform uk . all the spokesman for reform uk. all the best. now you're watching or listening news don't listening to gb news and don't forget to get your views in on the big of day. of the big story of the day. of course keep talking about lee course we keep talking about lee anderson spectacularly anderson defecting spectacularly this morning to reform uk. there's time to send your there's still time to send your email across gbviews@gbnews.com is the address, and i'll get these in a little later on in these in a little later on in the programme. but first, it's time for your latest news headunes time for your latest news headlines with tatiana sanchez . headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> martin. thank you. the top stories from the gb newsroom. lee anderson says he would still

have defected to the reform uk party, even if he hadn't been suspended from the conservatives. he became the party's first mp this morning after he lost the tory whip for claiming that islamists had got control of the mayor of london. polls suggest around 13% of voters support reform as recently as january. mr anderson said it was not a proper political party. he now says reform will allow him to speak out on behalf of millions . the out on behalf of millions. the families of barnaby webber and grace o'malley cooma, have welcomed news that nottinghamshire police has been put in special measures. the two teenagers and school caretaker, ian coates , died during a spate ian coates, died during a spate of knife attacks in nottingham. the force has been told by a watchdog that it must urgently produce an improvement plan, amid concerns over how it carries out investigations . carries out investigations. donald trump will not give any money to ukraine's effort to fight russia if he wins the election in november. that is according to the hungarian prime

minister viktor orban met his longtime ally in florida on friday. he said the former president's claim that the war would end within 24 hours of his re—election is true because , he re—election is true because, he said it was clear ukraine couldn't win without us support . couldn't win without us support. leaders across the european union are concerned that a trump presidency could lead to an escalation in the conflict , and escalation in the conflict, and the queen has joined the prince of wales at westminster abbey for today's commonwealth day service . there. among the senior service. there. among the senior royals who are gathering for this year's event, which draws on the theme of resilience against a backdrop of health worries in the family, though hill missed today's service , the hill missed today's service, the king reaffirmed his commitment to the 56 member countries in a video message . video message. >> as i've said before, the commonwealth is like the wiring of a house and its people are energy and our ideas are the current that runs through those wires together and individually. we are strengthened by sharing

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7669 points. >> rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb news financial report . report. >> thank you tatiana. my favourite time of the show. coming up now. joining me is michelle dewberry, the queen of prime time political debate. >> michelle dewbs & co from a >> michelle dewbs& co from a morgue. >> still waiting for that mug with little slogan it. with that little slogan on it. martin, her way too martin, i've dropped her way too many and i'm not too many hints now, and i'm not too subtle. don't know what you're subtle. i don't know what you're waiting my mug? waiting for. where is my mug? never going on about it. >> you've got a big enough mug in me. but what's on your menu tonight, jubes? i've got tonight, jubes? well, i've got a great coming up. great show coming up. >> got quentin letts >> i've got quentin letts joining aaron bastani, joining me and aaron bastani, and course, we're be and of course, we're going to be on all the big of on picking all the big news of the lee anderson story. the day. the lee anderson story. then you covering that then i've had you covering that as as well. was as well also as well. i was watching that. had two watching that. i had two screens, news and half screens, half gb news and half sky news, and when news sky news, and when sky news introduced that press conference, help but conference, i couldn't help but nofice conference, i couldn't help but notice sneering notice they were almost sneering at that yem, our at the fact that the yem, our flag, the uk's flag, there was all the background where is all in the background where is this from when

this snobbery coming from when it our great flag? you it comes to our great flag? you know so many people. is it racist nowadays to fly that flag? some people say, yeah, i say absolutely not. so i want to explore all of that, this, huge sums of money as well, going to protect things mosques, protect things like mosques, synagogues . protect things like mosques, synagogues. is that protect things like mosques, synagogues . is that the road synagogues. is that the road that we to be going down? that we need to be going down? what caused this what has caused all of this and will be able will we ever actually be able to calm in this calm tensions down in this country or not? the tax cuts that are our way as well. that are coming our way as well. is it right funding them is it right to be funding them from benefit cuts? and of course, ridiculous course, this whole ridiculous mess, ask me about this mess, if you ask me about this photograph, people are photograph, martin, people are losing their minds, right? if anyone ever been on a anyone here has ever been on a dating site, you will know just how many alterations and edits your every single person on the street does to their picture. you meet people in real life marty like, he nothing marty like, oh, he looks nothing like picture. like his picture. all of a sudden it's top front page news because shock, horror, a mum has decided to edit herself and perhaps her kids to show them in their best light. perhaps her kids to show them in their best light . are we losing their best light. are we losing our minds or what? >> i think we are, but michelle,

i've never been on a dating website my don't need website in my life. don't need to you very much. this to thank you very much. this sounds a superb show sounds like a superb show coming up now. you're watching or up now. then you're watching or listening news. and don't up now. then you're watching or listenito news. and don't up now. then you're watching or listenito get news. and don't up now. then you're watching or listenito get yourews. and don't up now. then you're watching or listenito get your views1d don't up now. then you're watching or listenito get your views in don't up now. then you're watching or listenito get your views in on1't forget to get your views in on the big story of the day. of course, dramatic course, that's dramatic defection of the red wall rock varne lee anderson to reform uk over gb views at gbnews.com. still time to read them out. i'm martin daubney on gb news, britain's news channel

welcome back. 540 are on the final furlong . you're watching or furlong. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news now . committee secretary gb news now. committee secretary michael gove is set to unveil a new definition of extremism in the coming days. as part of rishi sunak's drive to crack down on islamist extremists and far right groups. however, three former conservative home secretaries have warned about the possible negative implications that this new definition could have on free speech and have urged both of

the main parties not to politicise the issue for short tum political gain in the run up to the next general election. i'm delighted to say i'm now joined in the studio by the conservative mp for east worthing and shoreham, tim loughton. tim, thanks very much, tom. i get your name wrong every time. >> still, tim says storm there. >> still, tim says storm there. >> i mean, look, we're fiddling with definitions there. one thing that struck me about rishi sunaks address and that emergency address on the on the steps of downing street was an obsession with the far right . obsession with the far right. who are the far right? i think people want to know what these groups are. that's continue to use as a kind of foil, as a bogeyman , to allow almost bogeyman, to allow almost criticisms islamism . but who criticisms of islamism. but who are the far right? >> well, there are extremists on both ends of the political spectrum . spectrum. >> there are the regular suspects. the english defence league and others. on the disbanded years ago, tommy robinson and his cronies are still around, making themselves

known. they've been part of protests recently as, as as well where they go, i'm afraid trouble seems to follow, but this isn't about the just the far right or the far left or extremism of various faith groups or whatever. it's about extremism generally. it's so happens that when we're asking the met commissioner on the home affairs select committee recently , there's actually been recently, there's actually been a much bigger increase in hate crimes attributed to the far right than there has to the to the far left. frankly, i'm not concerned about numbers. it's a problem. and we need to moderate things. we things have got far too heated. these demonstrations have got far too emotional , far have got far too emotional, far too heated, and in some cases violent. and the prime minister needs to everybody to calm that down. completely agree down. and i completely agree with him. >> can i ask you about some money's given out today. money's been given out today. £117 muslim £117 million. the muslim protection fund announced today to protect mosques, muslim faith schools and other community centres and a corresponding a

much smaller amount has to be said £70 million to the jewish community protective security grant . grant, despite a 1,350% grant. grant, despite a 1,350% boom in anti—semitism , huge boom in anti—semitism, huge amounts of money being spent. isn't this proof that , you know, isn't this proof that, you know, this idea that diversity makes us stronger is isn't working ? if us stronger is isn't working? if we have to spend so much money to correct diversity, it's a sad state of affairs where we have to spend additional resources on protecting certain sectors of society. >> we've seen a big rise in anti—semitic attacks. we've seen attacks on jewish organisations, mosques, jewish schools. we have also seen a rise in islamophobic, attacks and attacks on mosques and, and schools with a high degree of muslim pupils in them. actually are not comparing figures. the muslim population in this country is far, far higher than the jewish population. so disproportionately we're actually spending more protecting. >> there's been a

disproportionately a much greater increase in anti—semitic crimes . crimes. >> there certainly has since the seventh of october. and that absolutely is unacceptable . and absolutely is unacceptable. and that's why we've got additional powers that the that the government have given to the, to, to the police. that's why a lot more people are being arrested. are they that. well, a lot people are being lot more people are being arrested. a lot need to be arrested. >> there was a man arrested on saturday for holding up a sign saying , hamas saying saying no, hamas is terrorists. simple statement saying saying no, hamas is te|fact, s. simple statement saying saying no, hamas is te|fact, complete .e statement saying saying no, hamas is te|fact, complete andatement saying saying no, hamas is te|fact, complete and utterlyt wrong. >> and the police minister has has absolutely said what on earth was going on there? that was wrong. he was he was then completely released. you should not be arrested . and this isn't not be arrested. and this isn't the first time for holding a statement of fact that says hamas is a terrorist organisation. it's not inciting people to violence, it's just stating what actually government policy . it's not the first policy is. it's not the first time it's happened and the police got wrong. in that case. >> good, because, niyak ghorbani was meant to on this show was meant to be on this show today. actually being today. he's actually still being

interviewed so interviewed by the police, so hopefully on hopefully we'll get him on tomorrow a proper tomorrow and give a proper apology. think deserves apology. i think he deserves that. i quickly that. can i quickly ask you about lee defecting to about lee anderson defecting to the uk this morning? nine the reform uk this morning? nine others rumoured to be following. is day for the is this a dark day for the conservative party, look, i've been the block quite been around the block quite a few times. i've been in parliament 27 years. i've i've seen a few defections come and go and everybody is ramping it up as, gosh, they mean mass defections. this is the end of the conservative party or same happened with with labour, i remember two defections, douglas carswell reckless back carswell and mark reckless back in 2014 to ukip. they weren't mps for much longer after that. no ukip, additional mps were elected at general elections. i think it's a shame. i mean, i quite like lee. i'm on the home affairs select committee with him. he's an interesting character. he got this one wrong and now he's compounded his his error by joining reform, what he thinks he's going to achieve , thinks he's going to achieve, what he thinks reform is going to achieve for his constituents or for the country at large. i really don't know. it's a shame

he's he's made a mistake. >> okay. tim naughton, thank you very joining the very much forjoining us in the studio. now you're watching all this news and this thanks to gb news and coming has lee anderson's coming up, has lee anderson's defection further defection to reform further guaranteed labour in guaranteed a labour victory in the general well, the next general election? well, we'll the former we'll speak with the former labour spokesman for his labour spokesman next for his thoughts. daubney on thoughts. i'm martin daubney on gb britain's news channel .

welcome back. it's 549. you're watching or listening to martin daubney on gb news. and let's return once again to the big news of the day. and that's lee anderson, of course, joining the reform party uk. good news for starmer. is it surely this will split the right wing vote? well, someone who may be happy with thatis someone who may be happy with that is former labour spokesman james matthewson james. welcome to the show. always an absolute pleasure . so here we are, he's pleasure. so here we are, he's defected to the reform party. a lot of people have been saying from the outset that was simply

splits. the conservative vote splits. the conservative vote split the right wing vote and allow sir keir starmer to rattle through the middle and rally his way to 10 downing street. what's your thoughts ? your thoughts? >> i wouldn't get too excited just yet, but i think that is probably the inevitable outcome. however, the thing that strikes me at the moment is we're seeing two almost parallel situations here and some people might not like this comparison. >> lee anderson especially won't like comparison , but i like this comparison, but i would say that george galloway and lee anderson have a lot in common at the moment. >> and in they are. you >> and in fact, they are. you know, kind of two sides of the same in way that both same coin in a way that both from these elements of the main political that the main political parties that the main political parties that the main political parties that the main political parties have struggled to control. >> know, galloway is >> you know, galloway is obviously a former labour mp who stood numerous times and been stood in numerous times and been in many political parties, you know, lee is no different . know, lee is no different. >> lee has been now in three political parties and i think what it tells us is that his ego, more than anything , is his

ego, more than anything, is his drive and force. >> and it's the same with galloway. >> so there are two sides of the same coin, but i think they could both damage to their could both do damage to their respective political parties that from . that they've originated from. and if those parties don't, you know, pull their act together, but , james, let's not forget but, james, let's not forget that the first party lee anderson started out with was the labour party, and he's a working class former coal miner. >> a lot of people share his political views . and of course, political views. and of course, many feel that the labour party abandoned them, particularly dunng abandoned them, particularly during brexit years. they during the brexit years. they found themselves by proxy, found themselves as if by proxy, by , voting for boris by default, voting for boris johnson. now again, they feel the conservative party is pretty much the same. he say two sides of the same coin. a lot of people say the same about the conservative party and the labour therefore creating labour party, therefore creating this vacuum isn't the real issue here the working classes here is that the working classes were abandoned by the labour party, and that's created this vacuum ? vacuum? >> no, i don't think so. >> no, i don't think so. >> think what happened was >> i think what happened was brexit itself was such a unique issue and such an important issue and such an important

issue to so many people in northern communities and people on the left and people in progressive circles took that for granted , you know. for granted, you know. >> and i took that for granted myself when many of my members >> and i took that for granted mysel'ownen many of my members >> and i took that for granted mysel'own an man disagreed embers >> and i took that for granted mysel'ownen man disagreed withers of my own family disagreed with me you know, these are me on that. you know, these are just natural arguments that happened time. but happened at the time. but i think we are in this post brexit time that now. i time beyond that now. and i think the votes that were lent to party, you know, to the tory party, you know, they've to hold on to them they've tried to hold on to them and thought issues like and thought that issues like small these other small boats, all these other things, reason lee things, the very reason lee anderson welcomed the anderson was welcomed into the fold them they've let fold by them and they've let they've him walk all over them. >> the tories, you know, i mean, he's been a tory, you know, he's only been a tory, you know, a couple and he's a couple of years and he's he's wandering around, you know, he's kind manor. kind of lord of the manor. >> the him the, the top dog >> the made him the, the top dog in the party, the, you know, the most, class tory mp most, working class tory mp there's been and all these there's ever been and all these things that were lauded about him and what's done? him and what's he done? >> he's gone you know, >> he's gone and he's, you know, he's because he's moved on from them because they, that was they, you know, and that was with backing him. imagine with them backing him. imagine if backed him, if they hadn't backed him, this would happened would have happened sooner. >> so i don't think at all that this is about a vacuum. this is about a labour vacuum. >> lee will follow

>> i do think, lee will follow the pattern other , the pattern of those other, former deserters as, as tim lawton pointed out , you know, lawton pointed out, you know, you've got people who do defect and then inevitably lose their seats . seats. >> reform will have an mp for >> so reform will have an mp for a little i don't think a little while. i don't think they'll more at the they'll have many more at the election that though. they'll have many more at the eleyokay. that though. they'll have many more at the eleyokay. thankst though. they'll have many more at the eleyokay. thanks for|ough. they'll have many more at the eleyokay. thanks for joining they'll have many more at the eleyokay. thanks forjoining us. >> okay. thanks forjoining us. give your it's give us your thoughts. it's always a pleasure. labour always a pleasure. former labour spokesman james matthewson, thank you've thank you very much. now you've been touch throughout been getting in touch throughout the show with your thoughts on lee go through lee anderson. let's go through a few of those emails now. neil says this . i am one of lee says this. i am one of lee anderson's ashfield constituents, and i think lee jordan reform is absolutely brilliant. the conservatives have lost my vote. they already had. well, they had for a while now, but my mp has joined reform. i will be voting for lee anderson lee has anderson again. lee has a backbone and speaks the truth. two qualities sadly missing from british politics at the moment. kim says this as a disgusted tory voter. i was going to vote reform as a protest vote because i felt politically homeless. but now i'm thrilled that lee has decided to move to reform . the

decided to move to reform. the best news since brexit simon says this. what a brilliant speech by lee anderson. it's great to hear an mp talk and tell people exactly how it is and what it's like. mps need to take a leaf out of his book, but bryan says this lee anderson is only in it for himself. he'll join any party that has him. he'll let sir keir starmer into number 10. that will be his legacy . see. and another one legacy. see. and another one here, paula. i'm 69. i've only ever voted tory once in the 19705 ever voted tory once in the 1970s during the firemen's strike under duress . 1970s during the firemen's strike under duress. i 1970s during the firemen's strike under duress . i fully strike under duress. i fully intend to vote reform. it's like a breath of fresh air has ignhed a breath of fresh air has ignited an interest in politics in me, which i never thought i had. well that's it, we've had hundreds and hundreds of emails today. thank you very much for all of your input. and i'll be back tomorrow 3 to 6 pm. but after the break it's dewbs& co six till seven. and of course after that nigel farage 7 to 8. no doubt he will have a few

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day. well, it will put the cat among the pigeons, won't it? do you think it was the right move or not? and speaking of reform, i've got to say i was quite interested to see the way other broadcasters introduce that press conference. >> you press conference. >> you are press conference. >> you are seeing >> listen, you are seeing pictures from the preparations for press conference from the for a press conference from the reform party of great britain. there, the union jack being rather a giveaway as to what they think about things ? what is they think about things? what is this snobbery about when it comes down to our flag? what is wrong with being proud of our great nation? you tell me that

also today the government