gb news. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg, on state of the nation. tonight, lee anderson has officially defected to the reform party, with rumours of a further nine tory mps considering following in his footsteps. i will be imploring him to return to his home, his natural home, the bosom of the conservative party. meanwhile, a new report is set to warn that de facto blasphemy laws are being enforced in the united kingdom through means of threats and intimidation. but will the new definition of extremism be enough to quell the theocratic mob.7 nearly enough to quell the theocratic mob? nearly 200 local councils have splashed your cash on diversity , inclusion and equity. diversity, inclusion and equity. dei or dei, despite the fact that the chancellor told them not to. perhaps this is partially why so many are going bust. plus, have you been lied

to about net zero? a new film claims the green agenda is making britain cold and poor, and i'll be speaking to the man behind the revelations. state of the nation starts now. i'll also be joined by malicious panel this evening . former panel this evening. former brexit party mep and current sister anunciata rees—mogg , and sister anunciata rees—mogg, and the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. as always , i want nicole turner. as always, i want to hear from you. it's a crucial part of the programme. email me mailmogg@gbnews.com. but now it's you've all been it's what you've all been waiting of the day waiting for. the news of the day with sanchez. with tatiana sanchez. >> jacob, thank you very much . >> jacob, thank you very much. the top stories from the gb newsroom. lee anderson says he would still have defected to the reform uk party, even if he hadnt reform uk party, even if he hadn't been suspended from the conservatives. he became the party's first mp this morning

after he lost the tory whip for claiming that islamists had got control of the mayor of london as recently as january. mr anderson said it was not a proper political party. he now says reform will allow him to speak out on behalf of millions. party leader richard tice says reform would aim to build a red wall in traditionally conservative constituencies. >> related to announce that i have found that champion of the red wall for reform uk . he's red wall for reform uk. he's also coincidentally going to be reform uk's first member of parliament in the house of commons. he is, of course, a person of great integrity, no nonsense and is the member of parliament in the county of nottinghamshire for ashfield. please welcome mr lee anderson , an. >> the government has pledged over £117 million to safeguard mosques. muslim schools and

community centres over the next four years. the funding, unveiled today, follows the prime minister's promise to allocate more than £70 million to protect jewish community sites. the government condemned a recent rise in reported anti—muslim and anti—jewish hatred. ministers say they expect the police to fully investigate all hate crimes . the investigate all hate crimes. the energy regulator, ofgem, is looking at ways to protect consumers from spiralling costs amid a record number of unpaid bills, around £3.1 billion of debts are piling up as concerns grow over the high cost of household bills. it's after the price of energy in an average british home hit more than 3500 pounds a year last october. to other news, the princess of wales has apologised for an altered family photo released by kensington palace . posting to kensington palace. posting to social media, she admitted that like many amateur photographers , like many amateur photographers, she occasionally experiments with editing, adding she was sorry for any confusion it

caused the mother's day image taken by the prince of wales was withdrawn by various global photo agencies after suspicions that a number of edits may have been made . and king charles has been made. and king charles has thanked the public for their support. in a video message to a service celebrating commonwealth day, the queen joined the prince of wales at westminster abbey for today's service. this year's event drew on the theme of resilience against a backdrop of health worries in the family. though he missed today's events, the king reaffirmed his commitment to the 56 member countries. >> as i've said before , for the >> as i've said before, for the commonwealth is like the wiring of a house and its people are energy and our ideas are the current that runs through those wires together and individually. we are strengthened by sharing perspectives and experiences. my belief in our shared endeavours

and in the potential of our people remains a sure and strong as it has ever been . as it has ever been. >> for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen . or you can go to gb screen. or you can go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back to . jacob. back to. jacob. >> lee anderson matters . why >> lee anderson matters. why does he matter so much? well, he encapsulate it's almost personified the coalition that bofis personified the coalition that boris johnson brought together in 2019. what was that coalition it was a coalition of patriotic people who rejected jeremy corbyn's approach to the nation. it was people who supported brexit, wanted immigration brought down and favoured low taxation. they supported the individual . taxation. they supported the individual. they taxation. they supported the individual . they wanted taxation. they supported the individual. they wanted a society that was built from the bottom up and they came together and voted in their swathes across the country. for boris johnson, giving him the biggest

majority the conservatives had since the election victory in 1987. and lee was at the heart of that. a former miner representing a mining constituency. and what was so interesting about the election result lost in many ways in the commentary on the red wall, was that this was a victory across the country. indeed rarely had it been the case that england, at any rate, and wales had been more united in wanting a conservative government. scotland with the snp being different in northern ireland, having its own political ecosystem. it was an amazing achievement which, as i say , lee achievement which, as i say, lee was such an important symbol of and now he's gone, he's left to go to reform. now this matters because divided wings of politics lose. bear in mind , in politics lose. bear in mind, in 1983 and 1987, margaret thatcher won big a majorities in 1979 on a lower share of the vote . why a lower share of the vote. why was that? it was because the labour party had split the

labour party had split the labour party had gone to the labour party had gone to the labour party had gone to the labour party in the sdp and they harmed each other. people who were going to vote conservative carried on. and this is the risk for those of us on the right, is that at the next election, what we all want to achieve will be made less likely because we will divide each others vote and therefore labour and the lib dems will pick up seats. and this is harmful, not just for those of us in the conservative party, but also for people in reform, because there is so much common ground between people like lee and me. nigel farage and me, even richard tice are becoming into in a moment and many people who are within the conservative party, when i speak to conservative associations, the that want are the policies that they want are identical to those that lee anderson is advocating . why are anderson is advocating. why are they not getting through parliament? then? what is the block , the obstacle, the block, the obstacle, the sticking point? that is preventing conservative policies coming through ? well, there are coming through? well, there are problems. there are some people

in the conservative party who attach more importance to european courts and foreign judgements and are basically still europhiles , and they have still europhiles, and they have certainly had an influence. there's the house of lords , there's the house of lords, which would remain there even with a reform government and there are some international agreements that we need to get out of . but fundamentally, the out of. but fundamentally, the conservative party needs to be adopting popular conservative policies and reuniting the right. what do i mean by that? well, bringing back those people who are thinking of staying at home, those people who are thinking of voting for reform into the electoral coalition that boris johnson brought together, and that means showing that deal with that we can deal with immigration, showing that we're serious reducing the size serious about reducing the size of the state and not just cutting individual taxes , but cutting individual taxes, but cutting individual taxes, but cutting taxation. we need to show that we want to reap the fruits of brexit so that we get the benefits that by failing to pass the retained eu law bill in

full, we are not getting in the way that we should and that we can control our borders securely, not just in terms of migration , but that we are migration, but that we are forthright and safe in defence. that's what conservatives believe in. but we're not putting it forward strongly enough and therefore we are finding that people like lee are making decisions that actually make all of this harder , because make all of this harder, because we know reform won't win the election, but they can stop . election, but they can stop. they can make it harder for the conservatives. and this means that what all of us want becomes less likely. that's why i think lee made a mistake in going. i think he should have stayed within the conservative party to bolster the forces, arguing for what he believes in. but i also think the conservative party made a mistake in taking the whip away from him. you don't take away the whip for one slip of the a clumsy phrase, of the tongue. a clumsy phrase, as lee himself called it, from somebody who is one of your most powerful and forthright

advocates as ever. let me know your thoughts. mel. margaret gb news. com but i'm joined now by the man of the hour himself, the leader of reform, richard tice, and the contributing editor of novara media, michael walker, richard , let me come to you richard, let me come to you first. you're grinning from ear to ear. you must be quite happy today. >> it's been a very good day. you've just eloquently made the case, of course, for proportional representation , proportional representation, because you believe in competition, jacob. and the great thing about competition is that people perform that it makes people perform better and the issue that has gone wrong for the conservative party is that people from a wide variety place their trust in the manifesto of 2019, that it would be delivered. and if you say to people you're going to do something and then you don't do it all with regard to lawful immigration, do exactly the opposite. surprised if opposite. don't be surprised if people i like the people say, i like the competition over there. that's where to. and that's where i'm off to. and that's what's happened. >> competition in >> there is competition in politics. always is politics. there always is competition . but competition for ideas. but proportional representation

means the means that you always get the centre ground. you always get a stitch up. look what happens in germany and in ireland where the big parties come together to squeeze out. >> but it doesn't happen in scotland and wales where we have pr and actually it works very well. you've got so actually well. and you've got so actually that completely undermines your case. works case. you're saying it works well wales. well in wales. >> well, where else got good government? that wales? what government? is that wales? what reforms advocating what wales uses to uses pr and wales chooses to vote for labour so far. >> let's see what happens. but the point is pr is adopted all over the world and you get not in the united states and in in the united states and not in this country. >> gives us clarity of >> and it gives us clarity of leadership. >> it also gives you is >> but what it also gives you is a much lower voter turnout, because every vote, sadly, because not every vote, sadly, is equal. it does. the is equal. it does. jacob, the numbers clear. the average numbers are clear. the average turnout pr is about 10% turnout with pr is about 10% higher. another million higher. that's another 3 million people engaged in the people gloriously engaged in the democratic people gloriously engaged in the democra selective. looking at >> very selective. looking at the get high the figures, we get high turnouts this country. get turnouts in this country. we get about normally about 65, 66. we normally get over the only election below over 70. the only election below that really by any margin is 2001, when we're down at 59. so if you exclude 2001, we're

normally at about 70. >> there might be a bit of inflation there, but we'll check that data. but the point is that competition is a good thing. and it's very good people have competition is a good thing. and it's very they've people have competition is a good thing. and it's very they've got eople have competition is a good thing. and it's very they've got a»ple have competition is a good thing. and it's very they've got a broadera now got they've got a broader range of to debate, more range of things to debate, more or of what you want. or less of what you want. >> if the conservatives lose the next and you get keir next election and you get keir starmer in, which what you starmer in, which is what you can i've said can do, as i've said before, frankly, starmer, frankly, vote tory, get starmer, vote get reform. vote reform, get reform. >> saying is in the red >> what i'm saying is in the red wall, leigh is going to be our champion and we going to our champion and we are going to our ambition to replace the ambition is to replace the tories this time round in the red wall. big job. >> i think in red wall, >> but i think in the red wall, not the country at large. not in the country at large. well started with the red well we started with the red wall party. >> starting the red >> we're starting in the red wall. but it's the most important because you only you only seat majority only got an 80 seat majority because the wall. because you won in the red wall. and what think we're seeing and what i think we're seeing with the conservative party is that such broad coalition that it's such a broad coalition that it's such a broad coalition that it's such a broad coalition that it's not able to hold that together. >> are you just a group of disgruntled haven't disgruntled people who haven't got tory party? so got on in the tory party? so lee's lost the whip. you wanted to be mayor london? to be mayor of london? i supported you, for did very supported you, for you did very kindly. i thought you'd

kindly. yes. i thought you'd been it been excellent at it. is it just. a bit chippy just. you're a bit chippy because haven't got what you because you haven't got what you wanted. so you've gone off in a sulk like a four year old. >> but competition is a great thing. we've got good ideas. >> your rejection? >> is your motivation rejection? >> is your motivation rejection? >> problem is with the >> look, the problem is with the conservative now conservative party is it's now full democrats and full of social democrats and what socialists. and what i call socialists. and there very few real there are very few real conservatives who understand the philosophy and philosophy of conservatism. and you well, it's you can't just say, well, it's only you know, people are only us. you know, people are only us. you know, people are only going for us. only ever going to vote for us. no, you don't do a good job, no, if you don't do a good job, you're going to get fired. you're going to get punished. and of and that's the joy of competition. it's like a plumber. have a plumber plumber. if you have a plumber that doesn't fix the plumbing, you're different plumber. >> but that's what in >> but that's what happens in elections, the elections, obviously. but the conservative party has been the base and base for conservative ideas, and that people remaining within it ensure has leadership ensure that it has leadership that what that they like, and that what you've much more you've done is made it much more likely party will likely a hard left party will get in. >> conservative principle >> a core conservative principle is power of competition, is the power of competition, drives standards and drives drives up standards and drives down costs, and we are providing serious competition that the conservative party now doesn't like. because we're good at what we we've got a great set of

we do. we've got a great set of policies and more and more people hear about us. people as they hear about us. they , that's i like. they think, that's what i like. >> now got one seat in >> you've now got one seat in parliament. not doing parliament. you're not doing that well hang on, you've that well. well hang on, you've got parliament that well. well hang on, you've grdefection. parliament a defection. >> given that >> well, given the given that the party, given the conservative party, given that party that the conservative party laughed years ago laughed at me three years ago for setting up reform uk, for even setting up reform uk, and actually we're polling and now actually we're polling only of last only 5% behind you as of last actual votes. >> how did you do in kingswood? how you do in how did you do in wellingborough? did do how did you do in werochdale?gh? did do in rochdale? >> in kingswood and wellingborough so give wellingborough we were so give or polling range. so or take the polling range. so we're progress. the we're making progress. not the terrifying jacob, terrifying thing for you, jacob, is people still haven't is that people still haven't heard of reform, but already we're really well we're doing really well in the polls . we're going up, the polls. we're going up, the conservatives going down conservatives are going down because you're not performing. that's democracy works. that's how democracy works. >> to be winning, >> you don't seem to be winning, though, byelections though, and those byelections are opportunity. sdp, are a real opportunity. the sdp, when were new and nobody when they were new and nobody had heard of them, managed to win elections . but you can't win by elections. but you can't get voters. that's because of the dreadful first the flaws of your dreadful first past system, past the post system, which protects . protects the duopoly. >> it protects the monopoly type situation. >> sdp, with the same same electoral system could win by elections, huge tory

elections, overturning huge tory majorities. but you can't do that. you seem to have a natural ceiling. >> i don't think we're a natural ceiling. we seem to be breaking through spring. >> michael owen, who's been very patient at internal patient looking at the internal ways but ways of the tory party but do you broadly the you broadly accept the proposition divide proposition that if you divide wide wings of the electoral part, you you lose? and that labour suffered very heavily from this in the 80s, in some ways continues to suffer because the lib dems take votes that would not really be on the left. >> well, i mean, i don't agree with richard on many things, but i do agree on proportional representation. think representation. i think the problem first past post problem with first past the post is get to is people like yourself get to essentially smaller essentially bully the smaller parties say, look, all parties and say, look, all you're do is wreck it you're going to do is wreck it for all us. so basically for all of us. so basically capitulate. what that does for all of us. so basically capi'gives. what that does for all of us. so basically capi'gives. lot what that does for all of us. so basically capi'gives. lot wrpower, does for all of us. so basically capi'gives. lot wrpower, itoes is it gives a lot of power, it gives of power to the gives a lot of power to the bureaucrats at of bureaucrats at the top of political parties. i mean, the labour clear example labour party is a clear example of now, where they can say, of this now, where they can say, if you speak in a way that we don't will don't particularly like, we will kick therefore kick you out and therefore you'll political you'll lose all political influence because a two influence because we are a two party and we will remain

one. >> isn't this more honest with the because you get the electorate? because you get a coalition that is put before them election day, rather them on election day, rather than is cooked than a coalition that is cooked up afterwards, so they up for them afterwards, so they know coalition know the coalition they're voting course, all voting for. and of course, all main coalitions. main parties are coalitions. well, say that all well, so i would say that all you're going to be you're always going to be governed coalition, let's governed by a coalition, let's say decision is does that >> and the decision is does that coalition decided upon in coalition get decided upon in smoky rooms, sort of at the top of the conservative or the of the conservative party or the top the labour party, or does top of the labour party, or does it negotiated in it get negotiated out in the open that people open by two parties that people have right. if have voted for? right. so if you've got , say, on the you've got, say, i'm on the left, if you've got the labour party a party their left, party and a party to their left, then instead of there being this internal sort of dispute internal endless sort of dispute within can out into within it, they can go out into the and say, well, we've the open and say, well, we've won think that we've won 20. so we think that we've sort got some ability and sort of got some ability and right demand much right to demand this much welfare state, and we've won 30. so we think that we should be able to between the conservatives dems conservatives and the lib dems took place secret. took place in secret. >> last coalition >> the last coalition that we had. when had. yeah. whereas when you go out you know, out to vote, you know, the proposition either of the proposition from either of the main parties and. >> but the big issue >> yeah, but but the big issue is you, only two is then you, you've only got two parties choose from right. so parties to choose from right. so

yeah, see in the yeah, you can see it out in the open coalitions. inevitably. yes. you'll have yes. but what if you'll have many voters going to the polls who particularly the who don't like particularly the proposition from ever before we end, are your end, though, what are your thoughts and much thoughts on lions and how much does that matter? >> the conservatives be >> should the conservatives be quaking their if eight quaking in their boots if eight more does that matter? well, more go, does that matter? well, i think it was interesting what richard there, actually, richard said there, actually, because you might because i think you might have misunderstood johnson's misunderstood boris johnson's coalition, because coalition, dare i say, because i don't think, you know, he was offering was a very offering it was a very impressive electoral campaign. >> obviously i disagreed with it, but he was saying, i it, but he was saying, one, i can make stop. there can make politics stop. there was really effective i think was a really effective i think it a sort dominic it was a sort of dominic cummings advert where he was sort of saying, everyone's arguing for arguing over brexit, vote for us and stop now. people and it will stop now. people think, starmer think, vote keir starmer and politics to stop politics is going to stop because he's guy who seems because he's the guy who seems less than you two. because he's the guy who seems less other than you two. because he's the guy who seems less other thing than you two. because he's the guy who seems less other thing you'veou two. because he's the guy who seems less other thing you've said vo. the other thing you've said that's is your that's interesting is your critique the conservatives is critique of the conservatives is that they're social that they're too social democratic. what democratic. now. i think what bofis boris johnson was quite successful as doing was saying, look, you guys in the red look, i know you guys in the red wall very economically look, i know you guys in the red wall wing. very economically look, i know you guys in the red wall wing. you're:onomically look, i know you guys in the red wall wing. you're not�*mically look, i know you guys in the red wall wing. you're not obsessed right wing. you're not obsessed with you actually with low taxes. you actually think of david cameron think that sort of david cameron and osborne's attack on and george osborne's attack on the welfare state was a bad

thing, seem to be thing, and now you seem to be pitching to the right the pitching to the right of the current conservative party led by which me by rishi sunak, which to me doesn't seem a coalition. doesn't seem like a coalition. >> we want to that. we >> well, we want to get that. we want for the lowest want low taxes for the lowest paid, you've to paid, which is why you've got to increase the starting point for income tax £20,000, freeing income tax to £20,000, freeing up you going up how are you going to do levelling freeing up levelling up right, freeing up 7 million from paying any million people from paying any income make pay? income tax to make work pay? it's thing. it's a great thing. >> make work that's >> work make work pay. that's a great slogan for the conservatives. thank you, richard up richard and michael. coming up next, how next, we'll be explaining how britain into britain is sliding into a theocratic policed by theocratic regime policed by blasphemy i'll be blasphemy laws. plus, i'll be speaking a filmmaker who speaking to a filmmaker who has shown how and poor britain shown how cold and poor britain has become under the net zero regime.

well. welcome back. we've been discussing lee anderson and reform uk. and robert says. dear jacob lee hanson was right to speak out. he is now being brave. joining reform the

conservative party has become unrecognisable through its policies is now no more than policies and is now no more than a fake liberal democrat policy. hopefully he will be joined by other tory mps because many of them will be ousted at the next election that ousted. if we join reform ousted anyway, fred reform or ousted anyway, fred says. i suspect there was says. yes, i suspect there was a degree of snobbery in rejecting lee anderson. same applies to liz well actually that liz truss. well actually that was nigel's theory when i was talking his programme talking to him on his programme a ago. a new report a few moments ago. a new report reveals that britain faces an alarming increase in violent threats towards those accused of insulting islam. de facto blasphemy laws being applied. commissioned by robin simcox, the government's counter—extremism chief and seen by the times, the report focuses on three key events from the past few years . first, the past few years. first, the batley grammar school teacher, who is still in hiding after showing pupils a cartoon of the prophet muhammad. second, the release of the film lady of heaven, which sparked riots across the country and forced cinemas to close . and finally, cinemas to close. and finally, when police constables in wakefield spoke to a child with

autism after he caused minor damage to a copy of the quran, michael gove's new definition of extremism will be published this week. however, will it be enough to stop the slide into a theocratic oppression that is auen theocratic oppression that is alien to life on these islands? or is there a danger that, as with new labour's anti—terrorism laws, such legislation will go beyond its intended target and beyond its intended target and be turned against sensible, law abiding citizens? well, i'm joined now by my distinguished panel joined now by my distinguished panel, former brexit party mep and al fayed rees—mogg , and the and al fayed rees—mogg, and the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner , how worried nicole turner, how worried should we be about the threats imposing blasphemy laws by accident rather than by the state legislating ? state legislating? >> i think many of us have suspected that this has been happening, and i'm glad that it has been looked into and proven to be the case, but it has to be stopped. it is deeply worrying that we should reserve the right, as tom tugendhat said, to be rude about any religion and

protecting one group over all the others who believe other things cannot be right and cannot be healthy for free speech or freedom of expression in our country , and therefore in our country, and therefore has got to be rooted out. >> but it does seem that at the moment you can be as rude as you like about christianity. >> of yes, absolutely. >> of course. yes, absolutely. >> of course. yes, absolutely. >> that's absolutely fine. >> that's absolutely fine. >> hear pope jokes >> i still hear pope jokes regularly as a catholic, but are they regularly as a catholic, but are the no. good. that's reassuring . >> no. good. that's reassuring. but amy, there's this part. and then anti extremism then there's the anti extremism guidance that's going to come out . isn't guidance that's going to come out. isn't that guidance that's going to come out . isn't that always the risk out. isn't that always the risk that by simply not enforcing the law that exists and protecting people who are threatened , you people who are threatened, you come up with rules that stop people saying things that in a free society ought to be able to say, but it's just the oldest, islamophobic trope. >> isn't it, to say, oh, you can't speak about, well, what about these three examples i've given? you cannot criticise the religion. i understand those three examples. but to any moderate muslim living in the

uk, it kind of is a little bit of a dog whistle to that structural islamophobia, because i we ultimately we don't i think we ultimately we don't quite appreciate, but there's nobody criticised the nobody who's criticised the catholic church who is living in hiding, but the catholic church in country operates in this country operates differently saw differently to islam. so i saw i saw something yesterday in the house of lords when the labour peer stood up and said, oh, muslim should take off muslim women should take off their hijab in solidarity for, for the women in, in iran, for international women's day. that is so ridiculous and absurd to insist women. i mean, you're mixing you're mixing things up. no no, no. well that's not attacking islam. >> that is. let me finish. that is attacking cultural thing is attacking a cultural thing that nothing to do the that has nothing to do with the islamic religion at all. but of course, you can be rude about having to wear hijab. it having to wear the hijab. it should free choice in a free should be free choice in a free society . society. >> it should be a free choice and you should not take a woman wearing hijab. wearing a hijab. >> women who want to wear >> women who don't want to wear it are to. they it but are forced to. then they should been free to and should have been free to and otherwise but you're the

otherwise not. but if you're the catholics believe, as catholics believe, just as fundamentally that fundamentally as muslims, that god is infallible, that god is god is infallible, that god is god and all knowing, all seeing, and that to insult him is therefore could, should, potential be taken as offensive? i don't we are very used to it. all christians are used to it. i'm afraid to say that the pope jokes often come with other religions thrown in, but never ever islam. and it seems to be we have given a protected status to one religion over others. >> isn't that fair? because it's such a minority religion in this country? >> still, judaism is a far smaller one and judaism should be protected. >> and it but that actually >> and it is. but that actually christianity is the majority religion, of people religion, and most of the people making jokes making christian jokes are themselves making christian jokes are the freedom never being >> freedom of speech never being restricted, never actually helps this, and in fact , it's quite this, and in fact, it's quite useful to have your religion attacked because it refines why you believe in it and why it is important. >> the martyrs blood is the seed of faith is the line you're taking? >> if you say so. but i think also that this is the path of good intentions going in the

wrong direction. >> amy, just think that in >> amy, i just think that in this country, we seem to have an objection to understanding and appreciating the muslim faith for what it is. and so you brought up judaism there, orthodox jews will dress modestly as well. they'll wear quite similar things their way of dress is not constantly attacked and seen as some sort of threat to our security. >> men and women have a distinctive outfits, but they are not in any way a cultural thing that they are. >> what i'm saying is. >> what i'm saying is. >> but isn't amy right on this, that it would be really odd for somebody to stand up in the house of lords and say, nuns should off the wimple in should throw off the wimple in solidarity with, international women's day, which is one, you know, a for know, we have a day for everything, actually, if you look what's been going look at what's just been going on , where they've on in ireland, where they've been debating the place women been debating the place of women in constitution , lots of in their constitution, lots of people did dress up as nuns to show the importance of women. >> and i think that in a free society, that's perfectly acceptable saying they acceptable in saying that they shouldn't just as

shouldn't wear it as just as acceptable. don't we acceptable. i don't think we should offence. should take offence. >> i think i who take >> and i think if i us who take offence, not the defence, is take offence at lack of take offence at our lack of accommodation. for the 4 million muslims the uk , for muslims living in the uk, for example, there aren't spaces to pray i saw the other day. so pray so i saw the other day. so a muslim prays five times a day and has to have a prayer mat and has to, you know, face a certain way. i saw somebody doing that on the a shopping on the floor of a shopping centre the other day. >> that shows >> that's wonderful. that shows the person's faith. that's marvellous. >> that's marvellous. >> that's marvellous. >> if i went around the >> i if i went around saying the rosary, would be rosary, that would be marvellous. but i like the courage around doing it. >> women kw- h— hm:— mm— it. >> vin loos, in toilets, having to pray in loos, in toilets, cubicles . right. so my point is, cubicles. right. so my point is, if we have a minority of 4 million people in the uk, we could do our best to understand islam and understand islamophobia. i think that's why there are there examples and has been done so that we do understand different religions. >> if you look at my six year old happy birthday yesterday, molly. she came home the other day she completely day and said she completely believes god and he is called believes in god and he is called allah learning allah because she is learning about religions.

allah because she is learning about religions . you'll be about all religions. you'll be glad to know she then my goddaughter then is . i'm afraid goddaughter then is. i'm afraid to read out the hail mary. yes. oh good. as long as yesterday. >> you know, as long as she knows the hail mary. that's the definition was definition of extremism was would odds. muslim would put at odds. the muslim council receive council of britain. they receive a funding from the uk a lot of funding from the uk government that's government currently. and that's what . their whole premise what i mean. their whole premise is . is to diminish. >> we've we haven't really got on the extremism definition . on to the extremism definition. we're going to have to come back to because too much to that because there's too much talk because coming up, talk about because coming up, your councils may be your local councils may not be able your potholes or able to fix your potholes or collect your bins, but they can still laugh millions still laugh in millions of pounds of your on hiring pounds of your taxes. on hiring an of left wing diversity an army of left wing diversity and and an army of left wing diversity and a and an army of left wing diversity and a major and an army of left wing diversity and a major health and there's a major health care scandal, documents reveal, scandal, as documents reveal, transgender activists have been asserting considerable influence over medical professionals in britain

welcome back. we are talking about blasphemy and extremism. and on extremism. an says as an atheist, i find all this religious dogma, brainwashing and intolerance very frightening. we should have free speech. if i want to speech. and if i want to criticise , i should be criticise islam, i should be free to do so. on lee anderson neil says, dear sir, with respect, spare the respect, please spare us the weasel. concerning weasel. words concerning lee anderson . you know full well, as anderson. you know full well, as does of the does the aristocracy of the party. 1922 committee, party. the 1922 committee, that he the he was only ever the conservative party's useful idiot. at last anderson has idiot. at last mr anderson has come that realisation, and come to that realisation, and that he was never regarded as an equal the hierarchy. well, equal by the hierarchy. well, i couldn't that couldn't disagree with that more. lee a friend and more. i view lee as a friend and a very good tory, and i use tory in the broad, all encompassing sense. i'm very that sense. and i'm very sorry that he's gone. a powerful he's gone. he was a powerful advocate for the tory cause, now, consulted the now, have you consulted the staying well, team manager at your local council ? it's your local council? it's a genuine role at calderdale council in west yorkshire. and it's just one example of the extent to which councils across the country are squandering your money on the equality, diversity and agenda . shocking

and inclusion agenda. shocking new figures compiled by the taxpayers revealed taxpayers alliance have revealed that council have almost doubled their spending edi roles in their spending on edi roles in their spending on edi roles in the past three years. in the financial year 20 2021, local authorities spend just over £12 million on these non—jobs. however, in the last financial yean however, in the last financial year, that figure rose to nearly 23 million on more than 700 edi staff members. total therefore comes to 52 million in the past three years, at a time when councils are facing bankruptcy. surely this is enough to show why local authorities do not deserve any more funding from central government funding? of course, of your money, my panel is still with me, my current sister anunciata and the author and broadcaster amy nicole turner. amy, shouldn't councils stop this waste before they start squealing to central government for more taxpayers money? >> if we want to talk about council waste, you hit me . 25 council waste, you hit me. 25 million with diversity and inclusion officers who i would argue are not only a moral

imperative, but a strategic one because they increase efficiency and thus save us in the long run. and i'm going to hit back to you the £1.7 billion a year spent on temporary homes due to conservative party failings, short shortages of social housing and unaffordable private rents. and can i just add to that? so 130,000 children are living in this temporary accommodation, and two thirds stay there for more than a year. >> but what are you going to do? >> but what are you going to do? >> that's the waste. >> that's the waste. >> but that's money that's got to be spent. >> it should not. >> it should not. >> would you throw them out on the i would >> would you throw them out on thei would hope money >> i what i would hope the money central central central government, central government would be able to do enough housebuilding of enough housebuilding not of soldiers. of soldiers. i'm all in favour of more housing that's still more housing but that's still got paid for to waste our got to be paid for to waste our council on temporary accommodation. >> but you wouldn't actually save you'd just save this money, you'd just spend course, you wouldn't need save this money, you'd just sp spend urse, you wouldn't need save this money, you'd just sp spend any, you wouldn't need save this money, you'd just sp spend any money)uldn't need save this money, you'd just sp spend any money onjn't need save this money, you'd just sp spend any money on temporary to spend any money on temporary accommodation. should to spend any money on temporary accoin�*nodation. should to spend any money on temporary accoin temporary should to spend any money on temporary accoin temporary accommodation. i'm. >> accepting that. but >> i'm accepting that. but you're only saying the 1.7 billion should be spent on

permanent housing. that seems very sensible. >> but not saying >> but you're not saying you would billion, are you? >> i'm saying so the expenditure net would remain the same. that the council should be able to spend money things like spend their money on things like libraries like sports centres like, therefore not on edi. like, and therefore not on edi. >> i would have thought. >> i would have thought. >> absolutely. i think, we have all seen our council taxes go up. we have all heard the complaints of councils up and down the country that they are either bankrupt literally or on the verge of it and concerned will they will be bankrupt very shortly . and this is just money shortly. and this is just money they shouldn't be spending. it is taxpayers hard earned money that they don't have the moral authority to spend on their behalf. on things that people may or may not need or want. >> yeah, but you all the statistics about these types of jobs lead to a conclusion of efficiency. efficiency really non—jobs don't create efficiency. but you and they found these courses don't work anyway. >> they've had a study. it was in the newspapers today that

going on these racial awareness course doesn't make people any different by end them. different by the end of them. but not a waste of but it's not a waste of taxpayers diversity and taxpayers cash diversity and inclusion managers in any business are incredibly important, why important, and that's why there's more and more and more of them because they're making companies saving. >> no, that was the last >> i say no, that was the last word this time. word to amy this time. >> got be i can't >> i've got to be fair, i can't give the opportunity give my sister the opportunity to whole time. we're give my sister the opportunity to at whole time. we're give my sister the opportunity to at home whole time. we're give my sister the opportunity to at home aftere time. we're give my sister the opportunity to at home after all.ne. we're give my sister the opportunity to at home after all. lastle're not at home after all. last night, gb news produced a special two hour edition of free speech focussed speech nation, focussed on the work us gender group path, work of us gender group w path, the professional the world professional association for transgender health and files from health messages and files from within the organisation have been leaked, with some recordings revealing that doctors associated with w path were that some were concerned that some patients were too young to understand the full impact of puberty blockers and hormone treatments. amy, i will give you the first word on this, because i know it's a subject you've studied deeply. doesn't studied very deeply. d doesn't it that w path has it turn out that w path has actually trying to actually been trying to manipulate information and has taken on an influential world, not just in the united states, but globally that has risked teenagers? >> i think the influence

globally has been exaggerated somewhat, but i agree they have a massive influence in the us and they have had an influence on our nhs and mistakes have been made. but i think this is an example of a overmedicalization and a rushing in diagnosis , which we've seen in diagnosis, which we've seen in diagnosis, which we've seen in so many areas of medicine, particularly with children. so last year, 83 children were prescribed puberty blockers, a large proportion of these will be for precocious puberty, where girls are starting their periods too early. right. however, think about it in relation to this, 1 million children under 18 last year were prescribed antidepressants. when you prescribed antidepressants, you set yourself on pretty much a lifelong path of medication . you lifelong path of medication. you risk sexual dysfunction for you're going into your late teens and you don't really know the long tum impacts on your mental health that people have had so many deep, deep problems. we saw the same with ritalin, overdiagnosing that for adhd in

the 90s. it's not the medication , it's the medicalisation. >> we all agree we should not medicalize childhood and that appropriately we should. what we shouldn't unnecessarily medicalize childhood of any description . but what these description. but what these people have said is horrifying , people have said is horrifying, saying i am so glad that these recordings have been leaked and people can know what is really going on, that some of the quotes , we discuss fertility quotes, we discuss fertility with a 14 year old, but we know it's like talking to a brick wall. no, they have never seen an example of a child , a child an example of a child, a child given puberty blockers who has gone on to experience an orgasm. if that was fgm, we would all be up and down screaming, saying that it was abuse. >> i would agree with you, but the numbers are so vanishingly small. but the same accusation can be levelled at antidepressants and we're prescribing a million kids.

you're subject , but you're changing the subject, but i'm not, because the sexual dysfunction is absolutely the same. >> w path are, cited by the british medical association, the general medical association and the royal college of psychiatrists. they are unfortunately very influential on our children's future . on our children's future. >> amy, don't these people let you down because you put your case for transgender issues very reasonably and in a very considerate way, but these people are campaigning for it at the cost of medicalising children and that then makes people think the whole transgender agenda is a campaigning one to try and change people. i think it's really unfortunate when we focus in on these vanishingly small numbers now, gender affirming care. >> i am in no doubt is beneficial when appropriately appued beneficial when appropriately applied after ruling out other disorders eating disorders, autism , other things that can autism, other things that can manifest the symptoms. but if you are experiencing symptoms of gender dysphoria dysphoria, of

course you need to be able to seek gender affirming care, which ordinarily hang on in the uk, will never be medicalized and will never be surgery and will be counselling. >> the last word , i think, if >> the last word, i think, if you actually read it, that our medical , you actually read it, that our medical, senior people of all different areas are taking this advice, they are mermaids aren't involved in this w path and that is leading to children . is leading to children. >> and it doesn't matter if it's 1 or 1083 being harmed. >> well, thank you to my panel coming up. renewable energy is making you cold and poor. it's pretty cold in this studio, actually. not worry, doctor pretty cold in this studio, actueconstableit worry, doctor pretty cold in this studio, actueconstable is norry, doctor pretty cold in this studio, actueconstable is here, doctor pretty cold in this studio, actueconstable is here to )ctor john constable is here to explain how britain can stop its long march into wind farm penury i >> -- >> on patrick christys tonight, 9 to 11 pm, lee anderson has defected from the tories to reform. i have a live sit down interview with the man of the

moment. has he betrayed his fellow tories ? should he call an fellow tories? should he call an immediate by—election? how much has paid? the bonkers has he been paid? the bonkers princess of wales photo shop scandal? is it time for kate to tell all the king's former butler, grant harrold, has his say and are we heading towards islamic blasphemy laws in the uk? don't miss patrick christys tonight nine till 11 pm. be

>> well. welcome back. i'm still jacob rees—mogg. and last week, it was reported that the country's energy use fell to its lowest level since the era of edward heath's three day week, when the government tried to conserve energy . a new conserve energy. a new documentary created by net zero watch has warned that the increased push towards inferior fuels , including renewables, is fuels, including renewables, is beginning to undo the energy security that has enhanced britain's prosperity . britain's prosperity. >> high quality fuels, coal,

oil, gas and more recently, fossil uranium have delivered an increase in human welfare. unrwa precedented in previous history and prehistory , which is why the and prehistory, which is why the attempt over the last 20 years to switch to wind and solar power is so dangerous . power is so dangerous. renewables are diffuse and of low thermodynamic quality . they low thermodynamic quality. they can't do much work or create much wealth . our history shows much wealth. our history shows that societies based on such fuels are necessarily poor and constricted. it is concentrated energy sources alone that can deliver human freedom and flourishing. >> well, with me now is the director of energy at net zero watch, doctor john constable. not to be confused with the painter, as well as a friend of the program director and climate change coalition, danica mccarthy. very mccarthy. well, thank you very much joining me, john. much for joining me, john. you've made this film .will it you've made this film. will it be more broadly available? >> it'll be released very soon, very soon. very 500“. >> very soon. >> and what's the essence, the nub of your argument? >> the argument really relies on bafic >> the argument really relies on basic physics to explain why it

is that renewables are so expensive and also what they're likely to do to our society. i reason from history. i'm basically an academic. i've been given this these lectures for several years now, talking about the thermodynamic quality of fuels and how they create diverse societies when they are superior at, say, low entropy , superior at, say, low entropy, as we say technically, and they're very dense and high quality energy and how they're likely to create constricted and poor societies if we force them back into the economy. so i'm reasoning from history and indeed a great of empirical indeed a great deal of empirical data . data. >> and your basic argument is that we have got rich and richer as we have more efficient as we have used more efficient forms energy, starting with forms of energy, starting with wood and working the way wood and working all the way through to gas. >> economic is extremely >> economic history is extremely clear point. it was the clear on this point. it was the adoption coal progressively adoption of coal progressively from late medieval in from the late medieval period in britain, such britain, which created such a diverse and free society in britain. and you can see the evidence from the 16th century, but certainly in 17th but certainly in the 17th century, a of people don't century, a lot of people don't realise as early as realise that by as early as

1700, was 50% dependent 1700, britain was 50% dependent on coal, and was quite on coal, and that was quite extraordinary. and it created all the liberty and freedom that we see progressively through the 17th and indeed the 18th and the 19th century. >> and do you see there being any technological solutions that could circle, so could square the circle, so to speak? see nuclear energy speak? do you see nuclear energy possibly able that, possibly being able to do that, or going to remain or are we going to remain dependent on fossil fuels? >> is certainly dependent on fossil fuels? >> next is certainly dependent on fossil fuels? >> next step is certainly dependent on fossil fuels? >> next step up is certainly the next step up thermodynamically, the thermodynamically, coal or the fossil are very fossil fuels generally are very high quality. thermodynamically, nuclear is the step up and nuclear is the next step up and you say and you might well you could say and you might well say that nuclear energy is god's last best gift to mankind. >> well, donica, the economic evidence on energy providing growth is very strong. and you see this in recent years with the american economy continuing to grow with its energy under half the price of the uk's, whilst the uk economy has stagnated. how do you think green energy can answer the problem against the thermodynamic arguments that john been putting? john has been putting? >> first of all, on the >> well, first of all, on the economic argument, the united kingdom its carbon kingdom has cut its carbon emissions by around since

emissions by around 50% since 1990, and the economy has grown by 80. so there is there isn't a link. but before i get into that, i think what we've just seen is basically a pr film on behalf of the american billionaire oil industry, john constable says he's an academic. he's actually a doctorate in literature , not in physics, literature, not in physics, which he makes it sound like a doctrine in physics . doctrine in physics. >> what i think the great thing about being a doctor in literature is that you can read and therefore can understand and therefore you can understand physical science. and therefore you can understand phyit'sil science. and therefore you can understand phyit'sil he's science. and therefore you can understand phyit'sil he's not science. >> it's not he's not a scientific background. >> i successfully changed my career >> i successfully changed my car> i successfully changed my car> danica, this is, it's really important this is an attack on the individual. no, it's attacked on the film. rather

than trying to answer the point, i made the point that we are ficher i made the point that we are richer and lower carbon . but no, richer and lower carbon. but no, but you know, that's not true because we 80% warmer than we were when we started. but we've simply offshored we've simply offshored an awful our offshored an awful lot of our carbon in, and america, which hasn't been doing this, hasn't cut its carbon. its economy has grown much more rapidly than ours in that period , you know, ours in that period, you know, we've fallen behind. >> point is that using, >> john's point is that using, moving on from the old coal industry, coal economy to a renewable energy economy makes us poorer. it hasn't. so, for example, look at the imf. international monetary fund says that renewables are the cheapest energy now available globally. >> but we know that's not true because for every renewable, the imf is lying. yes, of course the imf is lying. yes, of course the imf is lying. yes, of course the imf is useless. the imf gets everything it keeps on everything wrong. it keeps on forecasting economy forecasting the uk economy badly. the cbi, the badly. what would the cbi, the cbi exist after its recent cbi still exist after its recent problems, is very clear that the actual be investing actual we need to be investing for successful economy. for a successful economy. >> be investing in the. >> this is an examination of the

economic facts , not economic economic facts, not economic forecasts. and you see, over the last 15 years, the us economy has grown strongly . ours has has grown strongly. ours has stagnated, us energy prices, electricity . it's under half electricity. it's under half what it is in the uk. they haven't cut their emissions. what it is in the uk. they haven't cut their emissions . we haven't cut their emissions. we haven't cut their emissions. we have cut ours. there are a lot of those we've offshored so, so there's two things happening here. >> first of all, britain has actually cut our carbon carbon emissions richer. emissions and we've got richer. and the second thing is the climate science is going through the roof. scientists around the world are terrified of what's been happening this year. we were talking about 1.5 degree rise. jacob. by the 2040s. that's happened this year. and economically they're talking about $4 trillion costs for every 0.1 rise in temperatures. if they can't answer the 4 trillion cost, the key point here to understand is that although the gdp has risen, our energy consumption has fallen very sharply since 2005. >> by nearly 30% in total, and electricity consumption has

fallen by 22. these are the largest falls in recorded history. they're extremely serious and grave indicators . serious and grave indicators. >> they're positive? >> they're positive? >> no, they're very damaging because we cannot explain it. >> damaging not efficiency. >> efficiency measures cause an increase in consumption. the logic this known in logic on this is well known in the the sector. it's called the in the sector. it's called the in the sector. it's called the jevons paradox in case you don't it. but what's don't know about it. but what's happened is that the state is borrowing and borrowing more money and therefore subsidising the import of constructed goods other therefore subsidising the import of corofructed goods other therefore subsidising the import of corof thezd goods other therefore subsidising the import of corof the world. is other therefore subsidising the import of corof the world. so other therefore subsidising the import of corof the world. so we other therefore subsidising the import of corof the world. so we haver parts of the world. so we have the illusion of wealth in the united the united kingdom, but not the reality of it. not able to reality of it. we're not able to actually things here. why actually make things here. why is energy consumption falling? it's rationing. been it's price rationing. we've been greatly increased the cost of electricity through here. so the renewables industry claims be renewables industry claims to be becoming cheaper. we know thermodynamically that's extremely unlikely. indeed, i would say impossible. and most physicists and engineers would say actually say so too. what's actually happened that they have been happened is that they have been subsidised very heavily and they continue to be subsidised . so continue to be subsidised. so it's 10 billion it's round about 10 billion a yeah it's round about 10 billion a year. that's not counting year. and that's not counting the costs which the system costs which these renewable energy. the system costs which these renewethe energy. the system costs which these renewethe taxpayer takes on >> so the taxpayer takes on a big cost. i'd like to and it's

been rationed by price. that's the key point. >> and he says this rationing by price. says that actually price. and he says that actually efficiency save price. and he says that actually eff money. save price. and he says that actually effmoney. what. save price. and he says that actually effmoney. what. what the us money. what. look at what the net zero action and regulations over the last 15 years. what have they done. they've made cars 30% more efficient. they've made houses 30% efficient. they've made fridges 60% more efficient. they've made lighting 90% efficient. so they reduce in energy. a success. all right. energy. is a success. all right. people at home are spending. we're going to have to stop because we're running up against the program. the end of the program. >> thank you john and >> but thank you to john and monica in that the whole monica in that video. the whole film be available and be film will be available and be worth watching. and now the zombie late for zombie return. it's too late for the oscars. perhaps next year. sir keir starmer seeks to disinter new labour and is bringing back creatures from the past it was thought had left british politics for good. now mark carney, the infamous author of project fear of the eye wateringly scary predictions that we were all doomed , doomed that we were all doomed, doomed is coming back to haunt us with more policies that will make us poon he more policies that will make us poor. he has been hired by the

labour party to help bring in billions of pounds in private investment to compensate for their abandonment of the green pledge. as we've been pledge. but as we've been discussing a moment ago, these green policies risk impoverishing the nation. so who better to do it than the governor who discredited the bank of england by politicising it? canadian friend? oddly it? our canadian friend? oddly not. sir mark carney . anyway, not. sir mark carney. anyway, thank you very much to my guests. that's all from me. up next, patrick patrick christys , next, patrick patrick christys, what is on your bill of fare this evening? >> well, i've got a rip roaring show to kick start the week. jacob lee anderson joins me live . also going to be . i'm also going to be discussing extremists infiltrating british mosques and calling for hard blasphemy calling for hard core blasphemy laws. royals come laws. should the royals come clean about kate, or should they be alone? and angela rayner be left alone? and angela rayner has been branded an effing liar. >> language . timothy, do give >> language. timothy, do give lee my very best wishes and say he will be very welcome. coming back to his conservative home as soon as he's got over this current spasm , that's all coming

current spasm, that's all coming up after the weather. i will be back tomorrow at 8:00. i'm jacob rees—mogg. this has been state of the nation and you know what the weather is like in somerset. it wonderfully glorious it is so wonderfully glorious that being sung by that hosannas are being sung by angels . angels. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good evening. here's your latest gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. eastern parts may have a touch of frost tonight, but further west it is going to turn wet and windy due to an area of low pressure and associated fronts that are pushing their way the atlantic . we do way in from the atlantic. we do also have an occluded front affecting parts northwest affecting parts of northwest scotland. that will scotland. tonight that will bnng scotland. tonight that will bring outbreaks of rain bring some outbreaks of rain for a time, across northern a time, but it's across northern ireland where we're going to have the heavy rain and strong winds that rain winds pushing in, and that rain will later far western will later reach far western parts scotland , england and parts of scotland, england and wales. through wales. as we go through the early tomorrow in the early hours of tomorrow in the east, we see some drier east, where we see some drier and perhaps clearer

and perhaps even clearer weather, could see a touch of frost, even some patches frost, perhaps even some patches of thing tomorrow. of fog. first thing tomorrow. but weather but the most hazardous weather will be the heavy rain and those strong, blustery winds across western parts. initially, heaviest rain over the higher ground, especially the hills and mountains of north wales. and that rain continues its way that rain then continues its way eastwards there will be some eastwards and there will be some heavier but it does heavier bursts. but it does break up and ease a little bit with some drier interludes developing time. some developing for a time. some strong, to watch strong, blustery winds to watch out . taking the edge of out for. taking the edge of those temperatures, though, they will higher than will be at a touch higher than they been recently. more they have been recently. more wet come we go wet weather to come as we go into wednesday, band of rain into wednesday, a band of rain pushing its way south eastwards into wednesday, a band of rain pushin scotland, south eastwards into wednesday, a band of rain pushinscotland, northerntwards across scotland, northern ireland northern england, ireland into northern england, two south of staying two to the south of this staying pretty further pretty cloudy, brighter further north scotland but north over much of scotland but blustery , strong winds, risk of blustery, strong winds, risk of gales or even severe gales towards the north—west. more wet and windy weather to come as we go the end of week, go through the end of the week, particularly towards the northwest, mild . northwest, but rather mild. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> it's 9 pm. i'm patrick christys tonight. >> i think that we have cancelled this film. and will not be showing it again . not be showing it again. >> welcome to blasphemy , britain also. >> and like i said before , it's >> and like i said before, it's my country has to come first. and i'm scared of what we're doing at the moment in this country. we are giving this country. we are giving this country away and it's got to stop now. >> lee anderson joins us live and bizarre and after the bizarre photoshopping of an official photo, is it time for the royals to come clean about the princess of wales? plus, who's side are our police on? on my panel tonight it's the one and only carole malone, trade unionist andy mcdonald and the daily express political editor sam lester . oh, and it wasn't a

lester. oh, and it wasn't a happy mother's day in