diane abbott makes you want to hate all black women and should be shot. >> failed asylum seekers will be offered thousands of pounds to move to rwanda. one minister said the plan is a good use of pubuc said the plan is a good use of public money, but is it simply a bribe .7 bnbe? >> and disgraced british socialite ghislaine maxwell is set to appear in a new york court to appeal against her sex trafficking conviction. we'll speak to her brother on the campaign to free her name. so is £3,000 a good use of pubuc so is £3,000 a good use of public money, tom.7 >> i get the logic , i get, i get >> i get the logic, i get, i get the logic. we're spending much more than £3,000 per year on asylum seekers living in hotels. but i also have a massive suspicion about this plan, which is that something similar was trialled in israel, where they would pay people to go to rwanda

and many people took up the offer. they took the money, they went to rwanda . but what went to rwanda. but what happened as soon as they were in rwanda , they left rwanda and rwanda, they left rwanda and with their £3,000, many of them used that money or not, £3,000, but equivalent in israeli currency use that money to return to europe . return to europe. >> right. so this is actually been tried and tested. this scheme almost. so it's been tried in a similar way. but scheme almost. so it's been tried in a similar way . but do tried in a similar way. but do you know what we're going to be talking later in the show to a man who is in kigali in rwanda. and we're going to ask him what exactly can £3,000 get you there? what's the cost of living like? and do you need to be bnbed like? and do you need to be bribed to move to rwanda? can you set up a business? can you? you know, achieve a lot there? why not? it's there for the taking. >> yeah. big big options, but big, big questions to come and frankly, does this get to a bigger question at heart of bigger question at the heart of our system, at the our migration system, at the heart how we control our heart of how we control our borders, which is, frankly, do we? >> well, yes , you need to

>> well, yes, you need to control your borders in order to stop people from just trying again. anyway, let us know what you think. do you think it's a load of rubbish, or do you think there's actually something in it? work. gb views at it? it might work. gb views at gb news. but first your gb news. com but first your headlines. >> tom. emily, thanks very much. good afternoon . from the good afternoon. from the newsroom, a look at the headunes newsroom, a look at the headlines at just after 1:00 and first to the commons, where sir keir starmer confronted the prime minister earlier over a conservative donor's alleged racist comments pressing rishi sunak to return a £10 million donation. frank hester is alleged to have said that the former labour mp diane abbott made him want to hate all black women and that she should be shot well. in today's prime minister's questions, the labour leader asked whether rishi sunak is proud to be supported by someone making such offensive statements. >> two weeks ago he marched them out like foals to defend islamophobia. and now the member for ashfield is warming up the

opposition benches for them. he won't hand the money back. he won't hand the money back. he won't comment on how convenient it is that a man handed huge nhs contracts by his government is now his party's biggest donor. you have to wonder what the point is of a prime minister who can't lead, and a party that can't lead, and a party that can't govern . can't govern. >> in response, the prime minister did acknowledge that frank hester's comments were wrong and he called them racist, but also said that there were double standards in the labour party. >> i'm absolutely not going to take any lectures from somebody, from somebody , from somebody who from somebody, from somebody who chose to represent an anti semitic terrorist group, hizb ut—tahrir, who chose to serve a leader who let anti—semitism run rife in this labour party. those are his actions. those are his values. and that's how he should be judged . be judged. >> in other news today, a new law aimed at quashing the wrongful convictions of

subpostmasters will be introduced by the government. more than 700 post office staff were found guilty of crimes , were found guilty of crimes, including theft and fraud, because of a faulty. it system. rishi sunak says the legislation is a crucial step forward towards resolving the largest miscarriage of justice in british history. labour have welcomed the progress but says it won't be enough to deliver full justice. more than 21,000 households have now been freed from problems leaseholds after some saw their ground rent double. the competition watchdog says the home owners will now see their ground rent returned to where it was when they first purchased their properties . many purchased their properties. many leasehold contracts trap people in they find difficult in houses. they find difficult to then sell. the government has banned ground rent on new leases for homes purchased afterjune for homes purchased after june 2022, and there were also plans to ban leaseholds for new houses. however, the system would remain for flats . migrants would remain for flats. migrants who've been refused asylum in

britain could be offered thousands of pounds to move to rwanda. the voluntary scheme would separate, be separate to the safety of rwanda bill, which is facing delays due to a series of amendments. it would extend current returns policies which already see some migrants offered £3,000 to return to their country of origin . labour their country of origin. labour says it's evidence the government's rwanda plan has no chance of succeeding. however, the home office has defended the scheme , saying voluntary returns scheme, saying voluntary returns are an important part of tackling illegal migration. and vladimir putin says he's ready for nuclear war, warning that any us troops who may venture into ukraine will, he says, be treated as interventionists. speaking on state television, the russian president also said that if the us were to carry out any nuclear tests, russia may do the same. in response, he added that while moscow is technically prepared, the country is not rushing into it. the european union has today set out the

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powers. those are the latest headlines. more in the next half houn headlines. more in the next half hour. but in the meantime, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the code on your screen, or go to gb news. com slash alerts . slash alerts. >> good afternoon britain rishi sunakis >> good afternoon britain rishi sunak is under increasing pressure to return £10 million to the conservative party donor, frank hester , who allegedly said frank hester, who allegedly said diane abbott made him want to hate all black women. >> yes. the latest row engulfing the conservative party was sir keir starmer's main attack line dunng keir starmer's main attack line during today's prime minister's questions , with rishi sunak questions, with rishi sunak reiterating his that mr reiterating his line that mr hester's comments were racist and but that remorse and wrong, but that his remorse should be accepted. >> however, that has not stopped opposition mps and even some figures within the conservative party saying the donation to the party should be returned as the money is now tainted. >> well, let's discuss this further with gb news political

editor christopher hope, christopher , thank you very much christopher, thank you very much for joining us. so rishi sunak forjoining us. so rishi sunak is saying that frank hester, the tory donor, has apologised. therefore, his apologies should be accepted. he's shown remorse, etcetera, etcetera . will that etcetera, etcetera. will that put an end to this ? put an end to this? >> i think it won't. we haven't heard yet from diane abbott. i was surprised she wasn't called , was surprised she wasn't called, in pmqs by the speaker, the pms line is quite clear, mr hester. his remorse should be accepted. time to move on. but £10 million is an awful lot of money. clearly, to give to a charity or back to mr hester, and that's allowed , you know, correctly, allowed, you know, correctly, i think other party leaders to pile in stephen flynn, the snp leader with the sharpest line, i think, saying the pm was putting money before morals. it got quite, quite mucky there. i think at some point with mr sunak trying to throw back attacks on the labour frontbenchers , andrew rhiannon

frontbenchers, andrew rhiannon calling the tory party tories scum in the past, david lammy used the word nazis. in the past. a former shadow chancellor, john mcdonnell, calling for lynching. i think of esther mcvey a few more years ago beyond that. so i think it was a pretty unedifying experience at pmqs there, with lots of language and the tory party trying to obfuscate from the language overnight from mr hester, of course, dating back from 2019. >> yes, a sort of plague on all your houses approach, throw mud everywhere . but it did seem to everywhere. but it did seem to me that the line from starmer was really quite peculiar, which is you've taken £10 million from this person. we say this person is racist . this person. we say this person is racist. now this person. we say this person is racist . now give this person. we say this person is racist. now give this this person. we say this person is racist . now give this racist is racist. now give this racist £10 million. i mean, it's a very odd sort of demand, isn't it? give this awful person in £10 million. what? i mean, surely he could have come up with a better line than that , or. line than that, or. >> well, he knows it won't happen. >> well, he knows it won't happen . i mean, we remember, happen. i mean, we remember, don't we? the liberal democrats took some money, a long time

ago. they were under pressure to handit ago. they were under pressure to hand it back from from a billion a billionaire at the time. and they never did. i mean, money will not be handed back £10 million. i think is around half maybe or a quarter of their annual income in central office. it's highly unlikely that money will be handed back. it's probably gone right into the coffers to print leaflets for this year's election. i mean, there's no way it's going back. so this will be a problem, i think, for the for tory think, for the for the tory party a few more, more party for a few a few more, more weeks and yet. yes. but, weeks and months yet. yes. but, clearly, keir starmer used clearly, sir keir starmer used that certainty go after that pmqs certainty to go after this this unfunded this idea, this unfunded national insurance, tax cut. now, what he's referring to there is the confusion from last wednesday's budget to the tories want to get rid of national insurance now at 8% have been cut from 12% since january or not. and if so, where will you find the £46 billion a year to do it that was clearly a bone of contention, which i think the labour party will try and beat up the tories all year now, he

seemed to suggest that national insurance, because there's this widespread understanding amongst the public, a misunderstanding, a that national a misapprehension that national insurance is what's known as a hypothecated tax, a tax whereby it all goes to pensions or the nhs. >> of course, that's not true at all. all taxes go in the same pot. but mr starmer almost was leading. sunak up a garden path here when he said national insurance specifically funds the nhs and pensions. it's not true . nhs and pensions. it's not true. >> no, it's not true. and it used to be when it was brought in originally, that was the idea. it was the state pension and it was funded. we all put money into into our national insurance and that funded our state pension. but of course, as you say, there are no not not really many hypothecated taxes in this way. and that's why i think he a bit mistaken think he was a bit mistaken there. but we think that labour party will vote for this tax cut, national insurance, tax cut. there was a vote on the

budget last night. more votes expected today , the idea to get expected today, the idea to get rid of it, though we do know the direction of travel is to get rid of the of ni and what that means maybe for pensioners going forward they don't pay ni of course, the amendments, but they some pay income and it some do pay income tax and it could problem for them could be a problem for them going i think going into the election. i think the must probably the tory party must probably make before the election make clear before the election what to do with ni, what they want to do with ni, because will be, i think, because this will be, i think, a stick. which label used to beat the tory party labour got the tory party with labour got their problems, yet they their own problems, yet they haven't how fill haven't worked out to how fill the their plans the the hole in their plans from the axing non—dom tax status. axing of the non—dom tax status. that's £3 billion a year rachel reeves. find somewhere. >> and christopher, just lastly, this £3,000, for failed asylum seekers to go off to rwanda voluntarily . is seekers to go off to rwanda voluntarily. is this seekers to go off to rwanda voluntarily . is this the first voluntarily. is this the first we've heard of this idea ? and do we've heard of this idea? and do you get the idea that this is something that the government will definitely do ? will definitely do? >> yeah, it is a first. we've heard of it. £3,000 to fly to rwanda, it's people who have

lost their asylum cases. and we're trying to almost as a country, give people the money to go to rwanda. if you want to go there and you can't go back to the country you've come from because too dangerous, because it's too dangerous, clearly the timing is interesting. on ahead interesting. it comes on ahead of when see mps in of monday, when we'll see mps in parliament to overturn parliament voting to overturn changes in the house of lords made to the rwanda bill. and it is a way of getting off is a way of getting flights off the rwanda early, the ground to rwanda early, whether it works, i don't know. it certainly is a novel idea . it certainly is a novel idea. >> well, christopher hope, thank you very much for joining us >> well, christopher hope, thank you very much forjoining us and you very much for joining us and talking through what was a pretty fiery prime minister's questions. but let's get more now on the issue over the tory donor and that £10 million and specifically the comments that were made to diane abbott about diane abbott. because joining us now is weyman bennett from stand up now is weyman bennett from stand up to racism, a charity that diane abbott is involved with, weyman, first of all, i suppose the biggest question here is

what rishi sunak was trying to say, which was the donor has apologised. we need to sometimes be able to move on and forgive people when they have done wrong. is it possible to forgive someone if they've said something racist in the past? >> but it's possible if they actually show any form of forgiveness. but what we've had is subterfuge and cover up, you know, to the to her credit, badenoch from the conservative party said it was an open racist, statement, i don't believe that racist should get the chance to self define if they're not racist , it's not up they're not racist, it's not up to them to decide after they've made their racist statement whether it's acceptable for the for the rest of people to accept that large amounts of the black community and many communities in this country are appalled by the level of gutter politics thatis the level of gutter politics that is coming out at the moment in terms of scapegoating and

misdirection, in order in order for people not to deal with real politics, i think it was misogyny. i think it was racism. and to be honest with you, i'm not surprised that they're not going to give back the money. i think that most of the parties have jumped into the gutter over the question racism, asylum the question of racism, asylum and refugees in terms of it's easier to blame those people than deal with the problems that have existed for the last 14 years, blame a minority. it's an old policy. well, and those are i mean, you can't necessarily conflate, getting tough on asylum and illegal migration with racist comments. >> weyman, but do you have you spoken to diane abbott about how she's feeling? >> i've sent messages of solidarity to diane, but i do. |, solidarity to diane, but i do. i, you know, one of our meetings which we plan to do in hackney, unfortunately had to be cancelled because the level of threats it's not just that people, there are words these

words are carried up with their threat of racist attacks, and i'm sorry. we live still in a country in which a minority of people take it upon themselves to racially abuse people simply because of the melanin content of their skin, and the level of denial that exists at the highest points of government about dealing with these problems and being honest about it. i think it could be if people set themselves some standards of rejecting racism and not using it as a political football in order to gather the racist vote , which is important racist vote, which is important for some political parties. i'm sure, but i do think it's something that we have to reject, and i don't believe that it's really been seriously tackled. i don't believe the racism inside the conservative party is being tackled. i don't believe it's being tackled by other fringe parties like reform or anything like that. i think that, racism, particularly

anti—black racism and islamophobia has become , a islamophobia has become, a staple diet of british politics. and it's something which we intend to challenge. i believe the overwhelming majority of people in this country reject racism , and they the attempt to racism, and they the attempt to try and galvanise it as a political machine shows the bankruptcy of political parties because they can't gather people together unless they use forms of reaction. >> wayman, i think it's so important that you mentioned how some people want to downplay or deny racism in society. it's something that pervades all parties, not least , of course, parties, not least, of course, the labour party, because it was diane abbott herself who was suspended as a labour mp when she said that jewish people don't face racism. she said that jewish people face discrimination in the same way that ginger people face discrimination. she's still suspended as a labour mp for that comment, so i suppose this cuts all sorts of ways. well we're very clear as an organisation and that includes,

diane, that we oppose anti—semitism , islamophobia and anti —racism. >> for anti—racism. >> for us, it's not an olympics of which group is more oppressed than the other . we reject all of than the other. we reject all of them. and what i would what i would expect is that if anybody made an anti—semitic statement , made an anti—semitic statement, made an anti—semitic statement, made an anti—semitic statement, made a racist statement and islamophobic statement that they're challenged equally. but what we're having is an unequal status given to people dependent upon what people believe will be the political outcome. if they use those different forms of racism. i guess the problem is a lot of people thought reject that. >> a lot of people did think it was anti—semitic, of diane abbott to downplay anti—semitism as a, you know, a discrimination against redheads. i mean, that that was a ridiculous comment that was a ridiculous comment that lots of people found deeply offensive . offensive. >> and i think if people have listened to diane's apology , we listened to diane's apology, we write what diane said was that when you into a room as a when you walk into a room as a black person, you immediately identify died as a black person,

but you might be able to walk into a room if you're white. my white jewish friends tell me this. yeah, they come back and tell me that person's racist. they've said something racist about you, waylon. right and but they have not been identified . they have not been identified. they don't realise that that person's jewish and would find anti—black racism as well as anti—semitism offensive. and so what i think is one of the things which we're trying to develop is an understanding about how racism works in british society , and we want to british society, and we want to reject all forms of racism, anti—semitism , islamophobia and anti—semitism, islamophobia and anti—black racism. okay we're making that clear. >> yeah, we're going to have to leave it there. but thank you very much indeed for your time. weyman bennett, who is from stand up to racism. great to speak to you. thank you, thank you. >> interesting to get women's perspective because of course, diane abbott, very involved with with that charity in that organisation, it is now organisation, although it is now 200, 326 days since diane abbott was suspended from the labour

party for her comments about jewish people, i do find it extraordinary. there's supposedly this investigation into her comments , into her into her comments, into her letter to a newspaper, to the guardian , we haven't seen the guardian, we haven't seen the conclusion of that investigation. it's been almost a year that she's been suspended . have the labour party actually been investigating? and if they have been, why has it taken the best part of a year with still no answer? >> well, that's a very good question. but still to come, failed question. but still to come, watching. good afternoon britain, we're on

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right. it's 123. and is rishi right. it's123. and is rishi sunak's latest desperate throw of the dice to try and tackle the migrant crisis. what is it? >> well, failed asylum seekers will be offered £3,000 to encourage them to move to rwanda voluntarily. under this new scheme , drawn up by ministers. scheme, drawn up by ministers. >> yes. so the aim is to remove tens of thousands of migrants who have no right to remain in the uk but can't be returned to their country of origin. so will they go if they're given £3,000? and what? what exactly can you buy with £3,000 in rwanda? is it enough a new life? enough to start a new life? >> well, let's cross over to rwanda now and speak to adam bradford, a british resident in rwanda , in kigali, if i'm not rwanda, in kigali, if i'm not mistaken, adam, first of all, let's let's ask that that big question . how far does £3,000 question. how far does £3,000 go? where you are , very good question. >> i mean, i think it really does depend on who you are, what kind of life you want to live . kind of life you want to live. and, you know, kind of a bit

like the uk kigali is a capital. it's like london. things are more expensive here, than, say, in other parts of the country where it's very rural, and much poorer , so it depends on you poorer, so it depends on you really, in terms of what you want to do with that money. i mean, i would say comparative , mean, i would say comparative, lovely. rwanda is a cheaper place to live than the uk for sure, but probably, you know, if we're talking about asylum seekers here, that, that kind of money is, you know, probably it's not over the top in terms of the amounts of money they'd be spending in their own countries . so, i mean, it's it countries. so, i mean, it's it depends what kind of life you want to have. but i mean, for instance, i saw some of the figures in the papers today. they're not quite correct, but, you know, things are cheaper. you can get a beer for a couple of dollars and things like that, you know , in terms of bread. you know, in terms of bread. >> adam, adam, i read that, a pint is 91 pe in kigali. is that correct , or pint is 91 pe in kigali. is that correct, or is that an

underestimation? >> it's a bit of an underestimation. it depends where you are. like if you if you go to a certain place, it might be that if you go somewhere else, it might be 2 or 3 times that, what i would say is it is comparatively cheaper though what we're getting at really here is, is £3,000 enough to encourage, someone who's crossed the channel to get to britain, and has failed in their asylum claim to up sticks and head off voluntarily to rwanda to start a new life. >> do you think £3,000 is enough? >>i enough? >> i think considering the heartache and the turmoil that they've been through, to have to want to get on a boat or cross the other side of the world to get to britain , be it legally or get to britain, be it legally or illegally, £3,000 is immaterial, i don't get why the government thinks it's doing it. i don't understand what they think they're going to gain from it, you know, i don't think it's enough, to go it alone , and enough, to go it alone, and start a new life at all. i think

there's a lot more you need than just that cash, and no , i mean, just that cash, and no, i mean, i just to me, wherever you go, be it kigali , be it anywhere be it kigali, be it anywhere else in the world, i think i just, don't understand why we're paying just, don't understand why we're paying people to not come to our country now. it just seems like a last ditch attempt , of course, a last ditch attempt, of course, you voluntarily chose without a bribe to go across to rwanda . bribe to go across to rwanda. clearly, you think it's a marvellous place to live . i marvellous place to live. i wonder what will be the considerations that people weighing up this option take into account is rwanda, for example. more or less safe than you found the united kingdom ? we you found the united kingdom? we often hear about how many stabbings there are in london, for instance, how safe do you feel in kigali, very for instance, how safe do you feel in kigali , very safe, and feel in kigali, very safe, and i would say that, for, for the continent, i mean, rwanda is one of the safest places. completely. i mean , i think they

completely. i mean, i think they said that, like, kigali is one of the safest cities for women to walk through at night, the security and safety here is very good, and that's contrary to what you hear in a lot of the mainstream media. i mean, i saw one particular broadcaster talking about gangs and the thugs walking around, and i've never seen a single one, and that's the truth. there's nobody making say this like you said, i voluntarily moved here, to pursue different business ventures two years ago, and have found a good lifestyle here. and i think, i found a good lifestyle here. and ithink, i don't found a good lifestyle here. and i think, i don't hear of very much crime at all. so well. yeah. >> well, thank you very much for joining us. really great to speak to you. adam bradford there, who is a british resident in rwanda. have a good day. thank you very much. >> a very sunny day. i mean, that's the other thing. i mean, i feel like the outfit sort of i goodness me, i love britain. britain is a fantastic country. but thing could but if there's one thing i could change than maybe dragging

change other than maybe dragging us in the us somewhere in the mid—atlantic, want to sort mid—atlantic, i'd want to sort of us a bit further of take us a little bit further south make the weather a south just to make the weather a little brighter, a little little bit brighter, a little bit and i noticed there bit sunnier, and i noticed there was sitting, in the was adam sitting, sitting in the blazing rwandan sunshine, and i thought, a jealous. thought, a bit jealous. >> yes . well, let us know what >> yes. well, let us know what you think. do you think it's a good idea, this £3,000, i guess you know, all the accommodation costs far more costs here are far more expensive. costs here are far more exp itisive. costs here are far more exp it would be saving the >> it would be saving the taxpayer that is true. if taxpayer money. that is true. if it worked. but it worked. if it worked. but then. the thing is, then. but then the thing is, israel tried it. it wasn't exactly the same, but they did encourage people to move to rwanda, giving them some money. and they said thank you for the money. they went to rwanda and as soon as they got there, they many of them up sticks, left and returned more developed returned to more developed countries. so it's not it's not perhaps a foolproof mechanism. >> i mean, i think the problem is at this point, the public don't really trust that any of these schemes will have the desired effect. but anyway, still to come, the brother of disgraced british socialite ghislaine maxwell will join us

on why she's appealing her conviction for sex trafficking in the united states. but first, here's your news headlines with sam . sam. >> tom. emily, thanks very much. good afternoon. from the newsroom. 130 exactly. a recap of the headlines this hour. sir keir starmer has confronted the prime minister over a conservative donor's alleged racist comments, pressing rishi sunak to return a £10 million donation. frank hester's alleged comments dominated prime minister's questions this afternoon after he reportedly said that the former labour mp diane abbott made him want to hate all black women and that she should be shot . the labour she should be shot. the labour leader asked rishi sunak whether he was proud to be supported by someone making such offensive statements . well, the prime statements. well, the prime minister acknowledged that frank hester's comments were wrong and racist, but declined to say whether donations would be whether his donations would be returned. instead, he called out what he said were double

standards in the labour party . a standards in the labour party. a new law aimed at quashing the wrongful convictions of subpostmasters will be introduced by the government . introduced by the government. more than 700 post office staff were found guilty of crimes, including theft and fraud, because of a faulty it system. rishi sunak says the legislation is a crucial step towards resolving the largest miscarriage of justice in britain's history. labour have welcomed the progress but says it won't be enough to deliver full justice. more than 21,000 households have now been freed from problematic leaseholds after some saw their ground rent double the competition watchdog says the home owners will now see their ground rent return to where it was when they first purchased their properties . as purchased their properties. as many leasehold contracts trap people in houses, they find difficult to then sell, the government has banned ground rent on new leases for homes purchased afterjune rent on new leases for homes purchased after june 2022, rent on new leases for homes purchased afterjune 2022, and there are also plans to ban leaseholds for new houses.

however, the system would remain for flats and the european union has set out the world's first comprehensive set of rules regulating the use of artificial intelligence. the new laws aim to put down a series of guardrails for the fast emerging sector, with the technology already used in areas such as everyday banking, in cars, smart speakers and even in tvs . speakers and even in tvs. legislation specific to the use of ai is lacking in other regions, and it's expected the eu's rules will help set the tone for how the world regulates the new and emerging technology . the new and emerging technology. those are the headlines for now. for more, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code there on your screen. or, if you're listening on radio, go to gb news .com/ alerts. >> for a valuable legacy your family can own, gold coins will always shine bright. rosalind gold proudly sponsors the gb

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i >> -- >> it's 136. >> it's136. you're watching and listening to good afternoon, britain. now, the disgraced british socialite julian maxwell is set to appear in a new york court to appeal her sex trafficking conviction. >> yes. the 62 year round year old was found guilty in 2021 of luring young girls to massage rooms for the convicted paedophile financier jeffrey

epstein to molest between 1994 and 2004. >> now. elaine maxwell's lawyer yesterday argued that a previous agreement in two thousand and seven had promised that epstein's co—conspirators would not be prosecuted. >> but joining us now is the brother of ghislaine maxwell ian maxwell . and ian, thank you for maxwell. and ian, thank you for making the time for us. i suppose looking at this whole affair , it does seem pretty affair, it does seem pretty eyebrow raising that your sister is appealing her conviction . we is appealing her conviction. we know how close she was to jeffrey epstein . she's not even jeffrey epstein. she's not even appealing on the grounds that she didn't work to help him procure young individuals minors for his lurid desires. she's appealing on the grounds of some plea deal. from two thousand and seven and 2008. it's all just a bit dodgy, isn't it? >> no, not at all. the only way that this appeal can be mounted

is on the basis that there have been errors made by the judge and the court in the law. this is not an appeal because it could not be on innocence and guilt for the time being. that's been decided in the earlier trial. what this is about is the simple fact that the law has not been followed , and there has been followed, and there has been followed, and there has been a significant abuse of process , of which this process, of which this non—prosecution agreement is just one of the limbs of gillian's appeal . there are 4 or gillian's appeal. there are 4 or 5 others making up a very substantial and serious, set of claims by her, which the appeal court has to consider. and the npa or non—prosecution

agreement, as you say, is fundamental. if a government makes an arrangement with a citizen, in this case, the united states government and says , put up your hands, go to says, put up your hands, go to jail , you says, put up your hands, go to jail, you can't have a trial, and we will agree not to prosecute anybody else and that you accept that you are alone, responsible for the actions that you did, and they then abrogate that agreement. at what point does a citizen trust its government? this is absolutely . government? this is absolutely. >> let's just let's just take a step back here, because this agreement was that jeffrey epstein in 2008, went to prison for 13 months. and as a condition of that imprisonment, in the last decade, the us government agreed that anyone soliciting and procuring a minor for. oh, sorry, that prosecutors

agreed to not pursue alleged co—conspirators. now, the defence in this case is that that was an agreement limited to florida. your sister is being tried in new york. surely that's rather a large hole in that defence. yes. >> well, i don't know what you're considering is of the usa, but in my book, it's one you cannot have an agreement signed by usa in florida and have it not apply in california or pennsylvania or new york. they have just simply chosen to say it's not going to apply in this case. that's not correct. >> so is the idea essentially to get her off this conviction on this legal technicality? >> it's nothing technical about it at all. she should not have been prosecuted. she has maintained her innocence of the charges ever since they were raised during trial post—trial.

this is nothing about a technicality. she should not be have been charged, let alone convicted . i support my sister convicted. i support my sister and her assertion of her innocence, and by the way , innocence, and by the way, before this whole thing kicked off in, with the second arrest off in, with the second arrest of epstein in 2019, and guillen had any thought that, the us justice system would decide to, seek to, charge her or let alone put her on trial. she had the perfect right to go to france, which she is a citizen , and from which she is a citizen, and from which she is a citizen, and from which they don't extradite to anywhere in the world. now, she chose not to do that because there was no reason for her to go anywhere from her perspective. so i have to say, i just dispute your interpretation of it. that's it.

>> and, ian, when was the last time you spoke to your sister ? time you spoke to your sister? do you speak to her regularly? how confident is she on this, as it turns out, and completely fortuitously, i spoke to her yesterday morning , because the, yesterday morning, because the, prison are able to set up calls. >> video calls, which are, of course, observed by the authorities for a half hour each time takes a bit of time to set them up. and this one happened to fall yesterday morning, her time. i found her in good shape. i found her looking. okay today, she is hopeful. she was hopeful, obviously, but she's also realistic , the, you know, she's realistic, the, you know, she's lost a trial. she's lost many bail applications. so she's not expecting that. this is not some, pie in the sky. hope it's a very serious appeal that she's

mounted . and i found her in in mounted. and i found her in in really decent shape. the thing that interested me in what she had to say about how she's using her time is that she's, in fact , her time is that she's, in fact, teaching, inmates. perhaps, 20 at a time, once a week on how to appeal or how to appeal internally in the prison against conditions . conditions. >> doesn't this get to the nub of it, though? there'll be many people who say that you come from a family of means is a well—connected family, a family of socialites and very wealthy people, and indeed are connected to high society and therefore your ghislaine, and, and many others in this entire sorry saga have been able to afford the very best lawyers find these tiny technicalities and throw as much stuff at the wall to see what sticks and try and prise open the american legal system to make sure that people like

your sister never face the same justice as people, perhaps without the same connections and without the same connections and without the same wealth . without the same wealth. >> well, that's one of the reasons that a gillan is quite interested to help other prisoners try and assert their own rights. this is a very powerful justice system in america. there are 500,000 people this morning awaiting pre—trial , some of them banged pre—trial, some of them banged up for years at a time. yes. gillan can afford, a good lawyers, but then she's got facing the united states with all of its might and we know what's happened here has been a trump s, action by the authorities to show her of the victims as well. that's another question you're asking me about victims. we can talk about victims, but you ask me something else, i just think it is, perhaps a little bit suspicious to say this is all

the behemoth of the state against this poor, individual people while forgetting the victims in the whole process. the people who appealed to the justice system in order to try and seek some justice. ian, i could talk to you for so much longer, but i'm afraid we have run up to the end of our time, really appreciate you putting your case across, and it will be fascinating to see how far this goes.ian fascinating to see how far this goes. ian maxwell, the brother of ghislaine maxwell. thank you very much indeed. of ghislaine maxwell. thank you venwell,h indeed. of ghislaine maxwell. thank you venwell, movingi. of ghislaine maxwell. thank you venwell, moving on, puberty >> well, moving on, puberty blockers will no longer be available for children on the nhs in england. there will be a ban. we'll be speaking to a former gender clinic nurse, the biggest whistleblower on the use of suppressants for of hormone suppressants for children. you're watching. good afternoon britain. we're on

gb news. it's 149 now. puberty blockers will no longer be available for children on the nhs in england. the puberty suppressing hormones are used to pause the onset of physical changes, such as breast development or facial hair, in children who have gender dysphoria. now, the nhs england has banned the prescription of such drugs for children at gender identity clinics. the move has been welcomed by the government. well, our guest this afternoon previously worked at a leading uk centre for gender dysphoria. thanks for joining us, sue, sue, very interested to speak to you about this because you worked at the tavistock clinic, which has become notorious among many who are very deeply concerned about how gender dysphoria is being treated in this country. and you chose to whistleblow because there were you had concerns that , clinicians there were jumping to the drugs before giving

talking therapy. can you explain what exactly was going on in that process? >> yes. thanks very much for having me on. and the first thing i'd say is, i'm not sure i chose to whistle blow. it didn't feel like much of a choice. it felt really like a clinical obligation. and the reason being is i've worked in mental health all of my adult life, really in the nhs , and i'm now a the nhs, and i'm now a psychotherapist. but the approach that the rest of the tavistock clinic took to mental illness, emotional disturbance and symptoms that were a result of that was to holistically work therapeutically with the mind. but when i went to work in the gids, the children's service, i very quickly became aware that there were some children who had only been seen approximately four times and were being recommended for puberty blockers, and i raised concerns

within the team initially, obviously, with my clinical managers , but i didn't feel that managers, but i didn't feel that was very comfortable or possible to be heard. so then i went outside the team to the tavistock clinical director and david taylor did a report about it. but but the truth of it was really the report sank without trace whether it was buried or just lost, i don't know . and so just lost, i don't know. and so the clinical model has continued despite . right, the very similar despite. right, the very similar concerns that were raised back in 2006 by david taylor's report . and they have continued until this announcement yesterday by nhs england, as this announcement has been made, i understand that there are fewer than 100 children in the whole country of 67, 68 million, fewer than 100 who are currently on nhs puberty blockers, just just how big is this issue? >> it seems like it's a very,

very small percentage of people being treated who are actually given this treatment . given this treatment. >> so the first thing to say about that is we really don't know how many children are receiving this treatment, partly because many of them have gone privately . but the other thing privately. but the other thing is this is a worldwide problem. you know, over in the states, there are thousands of children receiving hormones and surgeries . and the difficulty has been that all along throughout the world, i think in most of the western world, it's become a politicised area, which should be about clinical care and evidence base. but because of that politicisation and the ideology around people have become very wary of being prepared to research and study what the effects of this experimental treatment are , are. experimental treatment are, are. and so there are many claims made, by w path, for example, and by some of the charities is

that, you know, there's only 1% regret. that's absolutely impossible to say. you know, i myself know personally several people who have chosen to detransition, but we are also unable to say how many detransitioners there might be or regret us because the tavistock gids did not follow up their children, and that was proven when we went to the judicial review and finally the judges asked the tavistock to answer some of these questions that they kept avoiding answering . and it was at that answering. and it was at that point that they had to confess. they didn't know what happened to their patients, sue, just lastly, because we're running out of time, do you fully support then this ban on puberty blockers for children ? varne blockers for children? varne and, well, just ask just that question. really? do you fully support this? okay >> so look, it's a really complex answer and i'll try and be really quick. the thing is

this is a complex presentation. gender dysphoria is like a symptom. and it's presented in the physical body in the same way that other psychological illnesses can be the difficulty we have is as yet we do not know. we don't know the answers . know. we don't know the answers. and so at the moment, the caution of saying , you know, do caution of saying, you know, do no harm seems firstly, a sensible one. but my plea would be that we absolutely need for child and adolescent mental health services to be better funded, better resourced . funded, better resourced. because the problem is, although everyone's saying, oh, let's give these children support and therapy, there are very few people like me , a who are people like me, a who are prepared to work in this area because they fear the threat of a conversion therapy. and secondly, it is challenging . secondly, it is challenging. >> terribly sorry. we're going to have to leave it there because we've run out of time. but fantastic to speak to you coming up, are you proud to be british? we'll be hosting that debate this break.

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>> good afternoon. britain it's 2:00 on wednesday, the 13th of march. >> the tory race row. the prime minister this afternoon refuses to give £10 million back to the conservative donor . who said. conservative donor. who said. diane abbott makes you want to heat all black women and should be shot for failed asylum seekers, will be offered thousands of pounds to move to rwanda. >> one minister says the plan is a good use of public money, but will the bribe work? >> the post office scandal wrongly convicted subpostmasters and mistresses are a step closer to getting justice, as a new law is introduced today to clear all of their names. >> it's a shame we ran out of time with sue evans just before the break there, about the nhs banning puberty blockers, because one thing i did want to get at is if the nhs is banning

them. okay. in my view, that's a positive step. and massively needed. but will that have any impact on private clinics who are willing to give out puberty blockers for those under the age of 18? will it possibly not? will it change? best practice in private clinics? >> as far as i understand it, the law currently in the uk is you can't give them below to someone below the age of 16, that's what i read earlier today. so if private practices are doing that for people between the ages of 16 and 17, is that such a big issue? one of the biggest things that i think is a factor in this debate, that muddies the water is that different sides say different things. some people say that these will make children infertile. others say that they won't. others say that they won't. others say that they won't. people say that these are irreversible. others say that they're irreversible. what is clearly needed here is rigorous, scientific study. >> well, to be honest, what i think is shocking is that

clearly from the tavistock as one example, ideology took precedent over clinical advice. proper investigation. so, for example, the issue that sue has highlighted and has highlighted for a long time is that the clinicians had moved towards oh yeah, let's go down the treatment path with medical intervention and drugs and so on and so forth, without actually investigating, fully talking therapy. now, there may be many kids who are suffering from lots of different conditions. we know that lots of autistic children , that lots of autistic children, for example, can feel gender dysphoria, or at least disproportionately their affected. and clinics are affected. and if clinics are saying children no , the only saying to children no, the only way for you to feel comfortable in your body is to go on puberty blockers is to go down that route of medical intervention. then are a massive then they are doing a massive disservice children disservice to children who may go on to regret things. >> i think you make a very good point, but has to be holistic, i think. i think you make a very, very good point that if everyone is down medical path, is put down a medical path, there's something wrong. there's something going wrong. quite though, you

quite similarly, though, you could take the exact same logic and apply it the other way. if no one is being offered any sort of medication, any sort of treatment . but then perhaps treatment. but then perhaps there's something going wrong there's something going wrong there well i think perhaps there too. well i think perhaps in this case there is someone's puberty is an absolutely massive intervention. >> and think it's absolutely >> and i think it's absolutely right that the nhs has blocked this, banned this. but we shall see what happens. let us know what you think gbviews@gbnews.com. but let's get headlines . get your headlines. >> tom. emily, thank you very much. good afternoon . from the much. good afternoon. from the newsroom. 2:03. we start with a look at what happened in the commons this afternoon, where sir keir starmer confronted the prime minister over a conservative donor's alleged racist comments. he pressed rishi sunak to return a £10 million donation. frank hester is alleged to have said that the former labour mp diane abbott made him want to hate all black women and that she should be shot well in today's prime

minister's questions, the labour leader asked whether rishi sunak is proud to supported by is proud to be supported by someone making what keir starmer called offensive statements two weeks ago, he marched them out like foals to defend islamophobia, and now the member for ashfield is warming up the opposition benches for them . opposition benches for them. >> he won't hand the money back. he won't comment on how convenient it is that a man handed huge nhs contracts by his government is now his party's biggest donor. you have to wonder what the point is of a prime minister who can't lead, and a party that can't govern well, the prime minister in response, did acknowledge that frank hester's comments were wrong and he said racist, but declined to say whether his donations would be returned. >> instead, he called out what he said were double standards in the party . the labour party. >> i'm absolutely not going to take any lectures from somebody , take any lectures from somebody, from somebody, from somebody who chose to represent an

anti—semitic terrorist group, hizb ut—tahrir, who chose to serve a leader who let anti—semitism run rife in this labour party. those are his actions. those are his values. and that's how he should be judged . judged. >> this afternoon, former cabinet minister nadine dorries has been speaking to us here at gb news and she said that the government's response to the whole situation has been a car crash. but she said there are still bigger questions to be answered. >> who is the person who fixed it for him to give the party £10 million? and what was he promised in return for that £10 million? i think are million? i think there are questions that need to be asked , questions that need to be asked, because just gives £10 because no one just gives £10 million a political party million to a political party who's just new on the scene and doesn't expect back doesn't expect something back for of money. and in for that kind of money. and in order to remove all of those questions and all of those suspicions, it needs paying back today. >> in other news, we've learned today a major people today that a major people smuggling operation has been intercepted here in the uk with the arrest of a suspected high

level figure in a kurdish organised crime group. authorities believe he's significantly involved in smuggling people to britain in boats and in the back of lorries. officers from the national crime agency were supported by hampshire police as they detained the 45 year old at a property in the kingston area of portsmouth this morning. he was arrested on suspicion of conspiring to facilitate illegal immigration and money laundering. laundering. he is now in custody . more than 21,000 now in custody. more than 21,000 households have now been freed from problematic leaseholds. that's after some saw their ground rents double. the competition watchdog says the home owners will now see their ground rents return to where they were when they first purchased their properties. many leaseholds trap people in houses they find difficult to sell . the they find difficult to sell. the government has banned ground rent on new leases for homes purchased afterjune rent on new leases for homes purchased after june of 2022, and there are also plans to ban leaseholds for new houses. however, the system would remain for flats . vladimir putin says

for flats. vladimir putin says that he is ready for nuclear war, warning that any us troops to venture into ukraine will be treated as interventionists. speaking on state television, the russian president also said that if the us were to carry out any nuclear tests, russia may do the same. in response, he added that while moscow is technically prepared, the country is not rushing into it. the european union has today set out the world's first comprehensive set of rules regulating the use of artificial intelligence. the new laws aim to put down a series of guardrails for the fast emerging sector , with the technology sector, with the technology already used in areas such as banking , cars, smart speakers banking, cars, smart speakers and even in tvs. legislation in specific to the use of ai is lacking in other regions , and lacking in other regions, and it's expected the eu's rules will help set the tone for how the world regulates the new technology . and finally, have technology. and finally, have you ever wanted to be a spy?

well, the uk's intelligence agency has just the trick with this new online puzzle . if this new online puzzle. if you're watching on tv, you can see here this picture where the challenge has been set to see if you can crack the code by identifying the letters within the image to reveal a hidden message . it's designed to message. it's designed to attract people with a unique problem solving skill. gchq says that it's been published to recruit a broader mix of minds who can tackle complex threats from hostile powers . those are from hostile powers. those are the headlines. plenty more to come with tom and emily throughout the afternoon. in the meantime, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. carmelites . news. carmelites. >> good afternoon britain. it's 2:08. and of course, the prime minister and keir starmer engagedin minister and keir starmer engaged in a pretty fiery clash earlier at prime minister's questions , mainly over these questions, mainly over these comments by that conservative

party donor who allegedly said diane abbott made him want to hate all black women. >> yes. all made. you want to hate all black women. the labour leader pushed the prime minister on whether he will be returning the £10 million gifted to the party the £10 million gifted to the party by the £10 million gifted to the party by frank hester, with the prime minister that prime minister saying that whilst comments were whilst mr hester's comments were racist remorse racist and wrong, his remorse should be accepted. >> but cross now to >> but let's cross now to downing street and speak with gb news political correspondent katherine forster who's spent the afternoon after prime minister's questions talking to the prime spokesman, the prime minister's spokesman, but starmer but also to keir starmer spokesman. and catherine, i want to ask you specifically on what the labour party has been saying about diane abbott. she's been suspended from the labour party for 326 days. what's on with that investigation ? that investigation? >> yes, that's right, tom, in all the huge row that's going on about the racist comments and

the tory donor, and when will the tory donor, and when will the £10 million be handed back? and spoiler, i really don't think it will, though. they're not explicitly saying that rishi sunak did say that he wouldn't return the 15,000 personal donation to the helicopter , and donation to the helicopter, and stressed the most ethnically diverse cabinet, ever. but what has got a little bit lost in all of this is, of course, the fact that diane abbott, of this is, of course, the fact that diane abbott , the first that diane abbott, the first black female mp ever elected to parliament, was suspended from the labour party almost a year ago over comments which were perceived to be anti—semitic. so she wrote an opinion piece in the paper saying that people like, jews , irish people, like, jews, irish people, travellers didn't experience racism in the same way as black people. they didn't experience it all their lives . now that it all their lives. now that caused absolute uproar that she

should equate jewish people, millions of whom of course died in the holocaust, with travellers , with irish people. travellers, with irish people. she was suspended. there is an investigation ongoing and it has been ongoing for nearly a year. so, as you might expect, been ongoing for nearly a year. so, as you might expect , the so, as you might expect, the labour spokesman was pressed quite hard by a lot of journalists. and after prime minister's questions to find out what is in fact going on with this investigation and probably won't be too surprised to learn, he basically said it's an independent investigation. it's ongoing . it wouldn't be right ongoing. it wouldn't be right for me to comment, etc. etc. so try to give us next to no. information. and he was asked if it would all be done and dusted before the next election. he said, well, yes, of course it has to be. but some in labour believe there's going to be an election in may. not very long away at all. which then begs the

question , well, is this question, well, is this investigation going to wrap in the next couple of weeks? they then went on to say that if there was a may election that there was a may election that there will be some special procedures could be put in place to override investigation, to override the investigation, etc, can see really etc, etc. but you can see really why this is awkward for labour if they kick her out of the party. how does that look to kick out the first female black mp? if they keep her, people will say, you've still got a problem with anti—semitism. she made these offensive remarks and you've let her get away with it. so you can see why. in some ways it suits labour to keep this ticking over. >> i mean, it sounds it sounds very much like it's stalled and the labour party don't really know what to do on this one at all. i mean, it was one letter, i believe the investigation was about one letter. everyone saw it printed in the guardian newspaper. i mean, how many days doesit newspaper. i mean, how many days does it take to investigate such a thing? this is stalling

tactics, surely ? tactics, surely? >> well, certainly many people would see it that way. and they were also asked whether they would be looking at conduct of diane abbott. since that was published. somebody was pointing out that she'd been writing frequently in the morning star and that she'd basically been saying that this was all a conspiracy against her. which then begs the question , of then begs the question, of course, keir starmer says he's changed his party. he has rooted anti—semitism out now , they anti—semitism out now, they generally appear to be able to put on a fairly united front. gaza has made big, big problems, but some people will be wondering whether the change really is as big as sir keir starmer claims. >> i really, really significant questions there. but just finally, catherine, of course, the prime minister is under pressure as well. what was the defence of the prime minister's

official spokesman when you were questioning him about all of this stuff? did he give a clear answer on if he's keeping the money? >> no, not really, but i think reading between the lines, they are going to keep this money. i would be beyond astonished that in an election year, if they gave £10 million back, he was their biggest donor. last year they had about 40 million given. are they really going to give a quarter of that away? i'd be very surprised. the way they are defending it is because he is supporting the most diverse, ethnically diverse cabinet ever. rishi sunak of course , many, rishi sunak of course, many, many others within the cabinet and they take that as as proof that therefore , that this man that therefore, that this man cannot be racist. they didn't explicitly say that, but that is the indication. yes, he made comments which were racist, but

look at what he's doing and just very quickly and labour are making quite a big deal of the fact that this man received nhs contracts to . contracts to. >> was that brought up , yes it >> was that brought up, yes it was. and the answer to that was if his company would potentially be given contracts in the future and the answer was , you know, and the answer was, you know, that's a matter for the cabinet office. all these things are deau office. all these things are dealt with in the usual way. that's not something that the prime minister would interfere in, that there are processes in place . so they didn't shut the place. so they didn't shut the door that, not at all. door on that, not at all. >> well, katherine forster, live from downing street. thank you very much for that, report on both parties . both parties. >> they're very interesting to hear what the spokespeople say, because sometimes they don't say exactly word for word. what the, the labour leader. >> and also, you get that opportunity to really dig down and ask many, many questions in and ask many, many questions in a way you only get limited access to the principal players.

but, interesting. the but, it's interesting. the website , yes, has website guido fawkes, yes, has just up with a quote just come up with, with a quote from one of labour's biggest donors, man named dale vince, donors, a man named dale vince, who's given, the labour party at least £2.5 million. he referred to hamas as freedom fighters, saying one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. the question becomes, will the labour party give £2.5 million back to dale vince? >> yes, that could be a question one might ask. i was just going to say keir starmer did say in pmqs, what was it about the hundreds of millions of nhs contracts given to hesta that attracted him to giving £10 million the party the million to the party in the first place? so i think that's something he's can continue something that he's can continue to that he's gonna to bang that drum. he's gonna bang drum anyway. bang that drum anyway. >> yes, wrongfully convicted subpostmasters and postmistresses are step closer postmistresses are a step closer to justice today, with a to getting justice today, with a new being introduced new law being introduced to clear their names. new law being introduced to cle.yes,eir names. new law being introduced to cle.yes, it's1ames. new law being introduced to cle.yes, it's ames. new law being introduced to cle.yes, it's a landmark move >> yes, it's a landmark move because that's normally the job of courts. it means people of the courts. it means people could their convictions

could see their convictions quashed of months. quashed in a matter of months. well, joining us now to tell us more is gb news presenter pip tomson pip, is this a clear cut victory for the victims? >> well, it is certainly progress, tom and emily, i don't know if either of you are watching the brit awards the other night, but the former, subpostmistress. jo hamilton , subpostmistress. jo hamilton, she was presenting an award there, and she actually said, in front of millions of us who are watching on the television, despite what the government says , they are not paying the postmasters. >> well, the government today hopes to have changed that by introducing this bill. the post office minister, kevin hollinrake , announced it in the hollinrake, announced it in the house of commons within the last hour, house of commons within the last hour , and it is going to hour, and it is going to overturn the convictions of hundreds of subpostmasters and mistresses. it's not likely, though, to get royal assent till july, and so they're not going

to start seeing the compensation till august. so what's that? april, may, june? that's still five months away isn't it. these lives, thousands of people's lives, thousands of people's lives have been destroyed . they lives have been destroyed. they have lost their livelihoods. this compensation process, it is quite complicated, but there's different schemes. and the way it's going to work is that those with overturned convictions, they will receive an interim payment with the chance of getting a fixed and final offer of £600,000. is that enough? you might ask for the for those livelihoods that have been ruined. and there's this other scheme where people can be entitled to a fixed £75,000 through the horizon shortfall scheme . and for those who want scheme. and for those who want to pursue more compensation and want to have their claims assessed as part of the scheme overall, and not just settle for less, they can go ahead and do that now. one of the people that campaigned for years for justice is the former tory mp , lord

is the former tory mp, lord arbuthnot. he, of course, has welcomed this bill but says there is still plenty more needed to be done to make sure such a scandal does not happen again . again. >> for example, still in the system , a legal presumption that system, a legal presumption that computer records are reliable , computer records are reliable, thatis computer records are reliable, that is something that we've got to overturn . but how we overturn to overturn. but how we overturn it hasn't yet been ironed out. but that is something that we've got to deal with. and until that is dealt with, we can't be sure that everything's been ironed out. but equally, the culture in the post office remains deeply suspect as we heard from some of the select committee hearings that have gone on in the last couple of months. and so there's a lot still to be done. >> so that was lord arbuthnot speaking a little earlier here on gb news. and what you said there. it is a landmark announcement tonight because it

could effectively set a precedent letting politicians and parliament overturn the decisions of the courts and inevitably , there will be people inevitably, there will be people who actually are guilty of fraud who actually are guilty of fraud who will be getting this compensation. but the government does believe, if you excuse the pun, that it is a price worth paying. and let's not forget, there will be many people or some people who've past who haven't had the chance to see justice done . and there are the justice done. and there are the cynics out there who say, well, if it wasn't for that itv dramatisation, we wouldn't be where we are . and also we're in where we are. and also we're in an election year. >> yes, indeed. well, thank you very much indeed. pip tomson gb news presenter. thank you for bringing us that update. well still to come, are you proud to be british? >> will be debating whether we're too scared to say it. certainly won't be a debate to miss. you're watching good afternoon britain on gb news

>> right. well, it's 224. you're watching and listening to good afternoon, britain. now, when you see the union jack , how does you see the union jack, how does it make you feel? does it make you feel proud of britain's heritage and its history? or doesit heritage and its history? or does it make you shudder because of colonial history and of our colonial history and links? well, one columnist in a leading says there is leading newspaper says there is unspoken grief across the nation and people feel scared to and that people feel scared to be proud to be british. well of course, this comes after lee anderson, who recently defected to the reform party, says that he wants his country back. >> but this hour we're debating. are you proud to british? are you proud to be british? well, there you go. >> joining us now is political commentator femi nylander, who thinks necessarily thinks we should not necessarily be be british and the be proud to be british and the founding chairman of the global britain centre, aman bogle, who thinks we be very proud thinks we should be very proud to british. okay. well let's

to be british. okay. well let's let aman have his pitch. why should we be proud to be british? lots of things are going wrong, aren't they ? going wrong, aren't they? >> well, look, thank you for having me on gb news again. well, look, i'm proud to be british, and i the vast british, and i think the vast majority of people in this country proud to british. country are proud to be british. >> very simple reasons, >> but for very simple reasons, democracy, freedom , liberty of democracy, freedom, liberty of the individual and the rule of law. >> that's exactly why, we have half a million net people wanting from around the world to be here, because we are one of the very small handful of nafions the very small handful of nations who value those british ideals and values. and that is what makes britain great. >> well, femi, it's a fair point. lots of people want to come and make their lives in the uk . they surely that should make uk. they surely that should make us proud to be british. us pretty proud to be british. >> well, i'll get to that migration point in a second, but am i proud to be british? you know, it's an interesting question, and if you'll indulge me, a me, i think it's rooted in a fundamental fallacy, because what you mean when you say, am i proud to be british is you're

talking not talking talking you're not talking about pride. you're talking about blind you're saying, blind patriotism. you're saying, am patriotic brit? and am i a good patriotic brit? and i don't believe in patriotism in that way. if i believe in patriotism, a patriotism patriotism, it's a patriotism of resistance not the resistance and struggle, not the patriotism of the uk, of germany, united states, germany, of the united states, of patriotism kind of israel, a patriotism of kind of israel, a patriotism of kind of domination conquest. but of domination and conquest. but the of the i am proud, for the idea of the i am proud, for example , if get a d in my gcse example, if i get a d in my gcse physics exam, didn't. but if physics exam, i didn't. but if i did get a d in my gcse physics exam, should i be proud of isaac newton and what he did? no, i should be ashamed that i personally did bad and british people at applying people are very good at applying this to the idea of shame. they're very saying they're very good at saying why should shameful for should i feel shameful for something my ancestors something that my ancestors did? because but then because i didn't do it? but then why i feel proud of why should i feel proud of something that other people have done didn't do it? done if i didn't do it? >> do you believe in nation >> do you believe in the nation state? think a good state? do you think it's a good way organising the idea of. way of organising the idea of. >> think nation state is a >> i think the nation state is a good way of obscuring the connections . you have with other connections. you have with other people in other places and

saying you have connections, people, you've got no connections with the viewer at home. this more in home. watching this has more in common working class common with a working class person spain than they person in spain than they do with nepo eton with the nepo baby. eton educated hedge manager, educated hedge fund manager, millionaire rees—mogg. millionaire jacob rees—mogg. right. they're right. but the idea that they're both british to connect them. right. the that jacob right. so the idea that jacob rees—mogg anything in common rees—mogg has anything in common with at watching with you sat at home watching this idea this is ludicrous. but the idea that both british helps that you're both british helps to connect you in to helps to connect you in some, in in some way. you in some, in some false way. you have nothing in common with jacob rees—mogg. have jacob rees—mogg. you have nothing common this guy nothing in common with this guy who £10 million to give to who has £10 million to give to the conservative party whilst he's talking shooting, he's talking about shooting, shooting, abbott, you have shooting, diane abbott, you have nothing in common with him. >> hang on. >> hang on. >> let's let amanda come eat in the places. you don't you the same places. you don't you don't. to the don't. you don't go to the same places. you you don't you? places. you don't you don't you? let's honest about. let's be honest about. >> look, i respect the other panellist for his having his views. look i'm a free speech absolutist, but i must make clear that, you know, even for me, it's pushing my boundaries to be having to share a platform. or today with someone who denies he's on record, on

denying the horrors of october the 7th massacre in israel, of israelis by the hamas terrorists. i'm absolutely appalled to be sharing a platform with this gentleman who compared, king charles, i think, with stalin, if i'm not wrong. look, let's be honest. what this has to gather as a nation is a shared common belief and pluralism that we are all british and we're proud to be. this is a civilisational nation. this is a civilisational nation. this country has given the world so many good things , and that is so many good things, and that is something to be incredibly proud of . point to. something to be incredibly proud of. point to. we have something to be incredibly proud of . point to. we have other civilisations. >> when have i denied october the 7th, i think you're on record saying that , you know, record saying that, you know, israeli women were not raped by hamas terrorists. is that not correct? do you want to correct that opinion being peddled by other channels? >> the point the point i'm saying. and the point i made at the time is that no israeli women, no israeli women have

come and we we come forward. and we have we have no actual israeli women who have no actual israeli women who have forward to have come forward to substantiate claims. and substantiate those claims. and so really, well, think i we'll so really, well, i think i we'll we'll let you make point. we'll let you make that point. >> but as as being a patriot >> but as far as being a patriot is concerned, can give me is concerned, can you give me one name? >> i can give 30,000 names >> i can give you 30,000 names of that have been of children that have been massacred. you give me one massacred. can you give me one name of someone who's come forward to substantiate those claims? otherwise, claims? but obviously otherwise, let's what doing let's let's what you're doing is you're well let's let's what you're doing is ylet's well let's let's what you're doing is ylet's go well let's let's what you're doing is ylet's go see well let's let's what you're doing is ylet's go see for well let's let's what you're doing is ylet's go see for yourself. well , let's go see for yourself. >> let's get back to the idea. >> let's get back to the idea. >> give me one name. please. give me one name. give me one name. well, look, we let name. well, look, i think we let people their own minds people make up their own minds for you have to . coming for what you have to. coming back of you, any of the back to any of you, any of the three you. hang on, hang on, three of you. hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on. what about the 40 beheaded babies? can me the name of can you give me the name of a beheaded so please, let's beheaded baby? so please, let's not, let's not, let's not, let's not, let's not, let's not, let's not get into point. not get into the point. >> the point is that we can we can we can move to the 13,000 people, which is towards the middle which not middle east, which is not what this that this conversation is about. that is he is what he is. >> the fundamental point is the point is that i shouldn't i

shouldn't feel a shame, i shouldn't, i feel okay, can we put you on the question of put to you on the question of proud british? proud to be british? >> the whole point of >> surely the whole point of being your flag , your being proud of your flag, your nation, to be unifying. what nation, is to be unifying. what else can you be proud of? what else can you be proud of? what else can you proud of? of else can you be proud of? of being in a if you're not being in a nation? if you're not proud of being british, what else there unify us? else is there to unify us? >> so. so do you think you personally should feel ashamed >> so. so do you think you petheially should feel ashamed >> so. so do you think you pethe british ould feel ashamed >> so. so do you think you pethe british slave eel ashamed >> so. so do you think you pethe british slave trade? amed of the british slave trade? we're not. you we're not. probably not. you probably would. you probably say. the thing. so say. but that's the thing. so the is shame pride are the idea is shame and pride are two of the same coin. two faces of the same coin. please don't interrupt me. please don't interrupt me. please don't interrupt not please don't interrupt me. not at you're talking. at all. because you're talking. please please stop. please stop. please stop. interrupt please don't interrupt me. please don't interrupt please don't interrupt me. please don't interrupt me. please don't interrupt me. please don't interrupt go. it's >> let this discussion go. it's been to speak to you, but been great to speak to you, but it's just incomprehensible with the back forth. the going back and forth. but thank very much for your thank you very much for your time. amanda and femi time. amanda bogle and femi nylander that was just nylander sorry, that was just impossible. think impossible. i do think that became impossible the became impossible towards the end. there it was. >> very odd to it all >> yeah, very odd to drag it all to whether or not i mean, there have been i mean, iman has every right to bring something up like that. absolutely. but but it

that. no, absolutely. but but it has that has been widely reported that there were rapes that happened on i i find on october the 7th. i i find actually what femi said about slavery to be a fair point. if you to look at the history of your country, you take it all in the round. you don't say, oh, i'm going to ignore the bad bits and look at the good bits. but i think what you do do is you sort of make a table in your mind, what are the good bits, what are the bad bits, and does the good outweigh the bad? no. and i think perhaps in case think perhaps in the case of britain, perhaps uniquely amongst many, many major countries, good does countries, the good does outweigh bad. outweigh the bad. >> i think what he said >> no, i think what he said about, you've got more about, about how you've got more in with a in common with if you're a working class person here, you've got in common with you've got more in common with a working class person spain you've got more in common with a workyou:lass person spain you've got more in common with a work you do is person spain you've got more in common with a work you do with,;on spain you've got more in common with a work you do with, jacob spain than you do with, jacob rees—mogg other rich rees—mogg or some other rich character that completely that shows no shows absolutely no understanding of how pride in your country works . yes, for your country works. yes, for a lot of people, it is what unifies a working class person with someone wealthy or the royal family. how much of the working class in this country

love the royal family? you know, it's a complete misunderstand of national pride and of things that bind us all together. what else binds us together apart from i think there are there are things that do bind us together as a nation more than picking any random person of any socioeconomic background elsewhere in the world. >> yes. but, still to come, workers of the world unite a right , precisely, anyway, still right, precisely, anyway, still to come, if you might have missed it. but the united economy, the united kingdom economy, the united kingdom economy has returned to growth this month. but what does that mean for the pound in your pocket and interest rates? we'll have the latest after this. >> good afternoon from the gb newsroom i'm sam francis . the newsroom i'm sam francis. the headunes newsroom i'm sam francis. the headlines just after 2:30. sir keir starmer has confronted the prime minister today over a conservative donor's alleged racist comments. he pressed

rishi sunak to return a £10 million donation. frank hester is alleged to have said that the former labour mp diane abbott made him want to hate all black women, and said that she should be shot. in today's prime minister's questions, the labour leader asked whether rishi sunak is proud to be supported by someone making what he called such offensive statements a new law aimed at quashing the wrongful convictions of subpostmasters will be introduced by the government. more than 700 post office staff were found guilty of crimes, including theft and fraud, because of a faulty it system . because of a faulty it system. rishi sunak says the legislation is a crucial step forward towards resolving the largest miscarriage of justice in britain's history. labour have welcomed the progress but says it won't be enough to deliver full justice. a man suspected of leading a major smuggling operation here in the uk and bringing hundreds of people into the country in boats and lorries, has been arrested in

hampshire. the 45 year old suspect, who is thought to be a key figure in a kurdish organised crime group, was detained at a property in the kingston area of portsmouth this morning. he was arrested on suspicion of conspiring to facilitate illegal immigration and money laundering. he is now in custody and being questioned by investigators , and the by investigators, and the european union has set out the world's first comprehensive set of rules regulating the use of artificial intelligence. the new laws aim to put down a series of guardrails for the fast emerging sector, with the technology already used in areas such as everyday banking in cars, smart speakers and tvs. legislation specific to the use of ai is lacking in other regions , and lacking in other regions, and it's expected the eu's rules will help to set the tone for how the world regulates the new technology . those are the latest technology. those are the latest headunesin technology. those are the latest headlines in the meantime, you can sign up to gb news alerts. just scan the qr code on your

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>> good afternoon. britain. it's 2:38. and the trade secretary kemi badenoch has signed what's being called a landmark deal with the governor of texas, greg abbott . abbott. >> yes. the texas trade agreement is designed to unlock huge markets for both economies, with the texas governor saying strengthening the bond between texas and the united kingdom is crucial for our shared economies to prosper. >> well, joining us now is liam halligan gb news, economics and business editor with on the money and liam, this is just one in a number of successive agreements with individual us states, i suppose because joe

biden doesn't want to sign a whole federal deal . whole federal deal. >> well, the us very, very rarely signs trade deals with anyone. the european union as a whole has been trying to sign a trade deal with the us, basically since the european union began decades ago, and they've never managed to pull it off the uk now it's outside. the european union can negotiate its own trade deals. of course, that was seen as a major upside of leaving the european union. but what trade? as trade minister, business secretary kemi badenoch, following on from liz truss before her, they've been signing trade deals with individual american states or memorandums of understanding, which is like a sort of junior trade deal. but the numbers are still very, very big. texas has an economy of £1.9 billion. it's only slightly smaller than the whole uk economy. and of course, it's just one american state. the uk economy is 2.2 trillion.

that's 2200 billion. this is big money. the uk does. it already does about £20 billion worth of trade with texas each year. and kemi badenoch met today with greg abbott, the governor of texas is the. this is the first of the eight us state level trade deals that the uk has signed, where the actual governor of the state has travelled to the uk in order to sign the deal. there's greg abbott there with business secretary kemi badenoch signing the deal. this is going to be good for various aspects of the uk economy, financial services , uk economy, financial services, legal services, cooperation on manufacturing , pharmaceuticals. manufacturing, pharmaceuticals. the business secretary made particular mention of hydrogen, a fuel that is seen by many to be one of the major fuels of the future . and texas already has future. and texas already has a burgeoning hydrogen economy, and that's an area of energy , that's an area of energy, expertise and commerce where the uk is trying to forge ahead,

pretty much held back by various regulations at this point, but i'm sure that will be remedied . i'm sure that will be remedied. look, this is a bit of a victory for the business secretary and for the business secretary and for the business secretary and for the government. they've been few and far between. there will be naysayers. people will say it doesn't really matter , but it doesn't really matter, but it doesn't really matter, but it does matter. yes. >> liam, crucially, is this can i just finish the sentence? >> emily, if you don't mind, please. >> go on. thank you. go on then. >>— >> go on. thank you. go on then. >> thank you. the us is american. the us is britain's biggest single country trading partner . and that special partner. and that special relationship, the real special relationship, the real special relationship, which is about commerce, likely to continue . commerce, is likely to continue. >> well, let's talk about growth because this month we've seen a tick up back to growth 0.2. what does that mean . does that mean. >> this is interesting. we discussed , didn't we, at the end discussed, didn't we, at the end of february, the fact that the uk had gone into recession in december, we learnt that in february when the office for national statistics released

data a recession. it's a kind of ominous word in politics. it it kind of conveys the idea of economic doom and gloom. what it really means is that the economy, gdp, gross domestic product, all transactions in the economy, all production in the economy, all production in the economy, if the size of that contracts year on year for two successive quarters, that is two successive quarters, that is two successive three month periods. let me just explain a little bit more what that actually means . more what that actually means. if i think we've got a graphic here, we see that in july to september 2023, compared to the same period in 2022, the us, the uk economy contracted by 0.1, a tiny contraction, and then it contracted again october october to december by 0.3. but today, january figure came out from the ons and we grew vundabar hey presto by 0.2. now the interest rate decision, the next interest

rate decision, the next interest rate decision, the next interest rate decision will be made by the bank of england, the monetary policy committee on thursday, the 21st of march. that's next thursday and i'd say on balance, there's a lot i could say here, but i'd say on balance, the fact the uk balance, the fact that the uk economy started growing economy has started growing again , we're not technically out again, we're not technically out of because we need a of recession because we need a whole where don't whole quarter where we don't contract. march contract. the february and march numbers contract out. they numbers may contract out. they if they outweigh the january number, we'll still be in recession . but the fact that the recession. but the fact that the economy now started growing economy has now started growing means the monetary policy committee, is less committee, on balance, is less likely to feel that it needs quickly to lower interest rates. so it makes an interest rate cut from 5.25% ever so slightly less likely. on thursday . but there's likely. on thursday. but there's a lot more evidence to come between now and then. >> all the twists and the turns. liam halligan, thank you very much for bringing us that economic update with on the money >> well, queen camilla has arrived at cheltenham racecourse for the second day of cheltenham. it's one of the uk's

biggest horse racing festivals. of course, there's been a bit of a

break. well, it's 247. you're watching and listening to good afternoon, britain. now, queen camilla has arrived at cheltenham racecourse for the second day of the races. it's one of the uk's biggest horse racing festivals, but under a gender neutral rebrand of centuries old racing tradition, ladies day, which traditionally was the second day of cheltenham, has been replaced by style wednesday. what on earth is this about? let's speak with gb news reporterjack carson, who's in cheltenham for us.jack carson, who's in cheltenham for us. jack how is this, rebrand, this woke rebrand ? how has it this woke rebrand? how has it been going? how's it been received ? received? >> well, i think a lot of the punters that have been attending the races today don't seem to be too bothered by the rebrand. a lot of them maybe haven't even

heard of it because of course, it necessarily publicised it wasn't necessarily publicised that going to be that this change was going to be made. lot of people only made. a lot of people only finding from the programs finding out from the programs today, it's not been called today, but it's not been called ladies cheltenham ladies day here at cheltenham since 2018. come under since 2018. it's come under different names over the years . different names over the years. last year it was festival wednesday. today it's called style wednesday. encouraging people this year, more particularly the racecourse says to wear more sustainable items of clothing rewear clothing, clothing which they say can be worn time and time again. and then we'll have these fashion awards later on where of course, the best dressed is going to be announced. and we'll see, of course, who who that ? but course, who who wins that? but queen camilla, also in attendance watching of attendance today watching of course it's the mother course it's the queen mother champion steeplechase little champion steeplechase a little bit on this afternoon bit later on this afternoon she's going to present the winner of that race with the trophy. and she's here with with family as also other royals as well. eugenie, princess eugenie , well. eugenie, princess eugenie, in attendance with with some of her family as well. queen camilla wearing a green coat and a and a faux hat.

camilla wearing a green coat and a and a faux hat . today to take a and a faux hat. today to take part. lots of other very, very good hats and very exciting, bright and colourful hats as well , also bright and colourful hats as well, also being worn. but of course, this to , change from course, this to, change from ladies day to start wednesday, nadine dorries has been pretty vocal about that. so of course, here's what nadine dorries told us when we asked her what about what she makes about that change? >> it's outrageous . it's just >> it's outrageous. it's just outrageous. what is what is particularly galling about it? is it done so quietly? there was no fanfare, no announcements . it no fanfare, no announcements. it was just slipped under. the first i knew was when it arrived in my program. i thought i was coming to ladies day. so when my program i was program arrived, i thought i was at i was was at sty, discovered i was i was style day. you know, some people have to me, well, you know, have said to me, well, you know, the put a lot of effort into the men put a lot of effort into it's all about style nonsense . it's all about style nonsense. you it's at every turn, you know, it's at every turn, you that anything to do with you see that anything to do with the raising the status of womanhood or women? ladies day motherhood , it's this constant motherhood, it's this constant erosion. and what's happened is the jockey club has just buckled

under pressure from the trans lobby. that's what's happened . lobby. that's what's happened. and what they really need to think about is and i said this in my column in the daily mail yesterday, who here? who are yesterday, who is here? who are the who are here? you the people who are here? you know what's happening. ladies day are lots of ladies day is there are lots of ladies around dressed for ladies around who dressed up for ladies day this is our day. day because this is our day. i mean, what are they going to do next? say mothering sunday is no longer person sunday it's. longer is person sunday it's. and following so on and following so quick on mothering it just seems mothering sunday, it just seems utterly mothering sunday, it just seems utt> did you hear there nadine dorries upset by this dorries pretty upset by this change in how sudden that was. but horses, fashion but fast horses, slow fashion really is a slogan across the board, really. with jockey board, really. with the jockey club scaling back from club they are scaling back from the formal dress codes. the such formal dress codes. they changed their advice in the last couple of years, saying it was outdated and that they wanted to give people a choice of what to wear, making them feel comfortable. as you've probably heard around me though, spirits pretty high here spirits still pretty high here on day cheltenham. on day two of cheltenham. >> oh, nadine , brilliant and >> oh, nadine, brilliant and jack, you dealt with noise jack, you dealt with that noise marvellously as well.

>> everyone, in the spirit of things, thank you very much for bringing us live bringing us that live from cheltenham racecourses, she's so funny. goes for it. not funny. she goes for it. not having any of it, not having any of it. i mean, is it, is it definitely a woke rebrand, do you think. >> think likely youthink. >> think likely yeah. >> i think it likely is. yeah. but i say, what's wrong but i mean i say, what's wrong with ladies day? what's wrong with ladies day? what's wrong with lady? with saying, lady? >> ladies day . not that >> i like ladies day. not that i go to the races very often, but ladies day is when would go. yeah. >> no, i mean, i to be honest, i've never been to the races. have never. i've never, have you? never. i've never, ever the races. oh, ever been to the races. oh, there you go. >> to take you out. >> to take you out. >> maybe i maybe i need to get a spectacular hat. yes. perhaps a floral and turn for floral dress. and turn up for ladies day. >> the men don't tend to >> now, the men don't tend to wear hats with the flowers. wear the hats with the flowers. >> this where i'm going wrong. >> perhaps we can make an exception for you. it is going gender neutral, know. gender neutral, so you know. >> my me. no, >> oh my goodness me. no, i have, i've gone to henley before and gone a spectacular sort and gone to a spectacular sort of stripy blazer because that's. >> oh well that's, that's >> oh yes. well that's, that's what were for that isn't what they were for that isn't it. yeah. the little stripy blazers. >> i don't understand what's wrong. was

wrong. you'd think if this was bowing to trans lobby, bowing to the trans lobby, right? surely calling it ladies day not a problem. day is not a problem. >> know what i think? do >> do you know what i think? do you know what i think it is? i think club and the think the jockey club and the other in other organisations involved in racing that the racing are worried that with the younger generation, they're all a all think a bit woke. they all think racing is cruelty, so they've got get them in and maybe by got to get them in and maybe by being bit more up to date with being a bit more up to date with all of this gender neutral stuff, attract stuff, they can, it's attract a younger audience. although when i've there's been i've been to races, there's been lots of people. but hey, lots of young people. but hey, maybe, people aren't going maybe, maybe people aren't going as it's self—preservation >> it's a self—preservation issue. like the ships that issue. it's like the ships that attach metal to the attach a block of metal to the underside the hull to underside of the hull to sacrifice for corrosion. sacrifice that for corrosion. so the doesn't the hull of the ship doesn't corrode. a ridiculous corrode. that's a ridiculous metaphor, it's like the it's like the buildings that have sort of extra buttresses on the side of them. so if exactly people or cars scuff them, that sacrificed rather than the integral structure of the building. >> i mean, i must say jack carson looked very smart there. he looks good at the races. >> he does. i'm enjoying. i'm enjoying the waistcoat. i'm enjoying the waistcoat. i'm enjoying the waistcoat. i'm enjoying the hat, the flat cap. people to wear hats.

people need to wear more hats. yeah, it's don't this yeah, it's i don't know why this fell in. what was fell out of fashion in. what was it, the 1950s, fell out of fashion in. what was it, the 19505, 1960s? fell out of fashion in. what was it, the 1950s, 1960s? people used to wear hats out and about everywhere. it in everywhere. you see it in photographs, you it. it was photographs, you see it. it was a thing to do, to wear a proper thing to do, to wear hats. and now now it's just george galloway well. george galloway doing well. >> expect top hat at the >> i expect a top hat at the wedding. anyway, that's for wedding. anyway, that's it for today. it's martin. today. up next, it's martin. martin, is coming on martin, what is coming up on your this afternoon? your show this afternoon? >> about hats . >> it's all about hats. >> it's all about hats. >> it's all about hats. >> i thought nadine doris had george galloway's hat on there. i certainly think i certainly think she'd been at the old laughing juice. >> that was fantastic. thoroughly enjoyed that. >> i got? >> what have i got? >> what have i got? >> okay. today's prime minister's time roused minister's question time roused about . rows about gaza about racism. rows about gaza and ramadan . have our and happy ramadan. have our political class ever been more out of touch? >> they seem to be so obsessed with minority issues while totally ignoring the majority i've already had over a thousand comments on this. i'll read out the best on the show. are you proud to be british? do you want your country back? well, that man lee anderson set this ball

rolling, so i'll have him in the studio this afternoon to tell us about his his amazing week since he crossed the floor and leading this debate . now he's off the this debate. now he's off the he's off the noose. he's he's not being whipped by the tories. he is going to give it full. both barrels. and we have a staggering nhs report which shows a 43% increase in nhs staff, 185,000 extra nhs staff. this is nose data and yet we have record waiting lists. what is going wrong with the nhs? is it even fit for purpose ? get in it even fit for purpose? get in touch all the usual ways. gb views at gb news. com we'll have three hours of very, very lively politics here right from the heart of westminster. but first it's heart of westminster. but first wsfime heart of westminster. but first it's time for your latest weather forecast . weather forecast. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb

news. >> welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. a bit of a three way split with the weather today. many places dry but fairly soggy over parts of wales and northwest england. very mild , especially so in the south. it's across the far north where we've got low pressure dominating. this front dominating. this weather front is generating way is generating that three way split, under it very soggy split, stuck under it very soggy conditions over cumbria, parts of north wales in particular, a few showers in mid and south wales and at times maybe over eastern england and in the far northwest, but a good part of scotland, northern ireland, dry and and much of the and bright, and much of the south and east england dry. south and east of england dry. fairly cloudy, but some sunshine could temperatures jump could see temperatures jump right generally right up to 1415 c. generally it is pretty mild but colder air in across scotland and northern ireland. but we will have some sunshine here this afternoon. the rain is going to persist overnight over north wales and northwest england. their only really building the really building up over the hills mountains before hills and mountains here before slowly pushing towards slowly pushing back towards northern southern

northern ireland and southern scotland hours scotland through the early hours . we'll see more rain then come .we'll see more rain then come into wales later. much of into west wales later. much of the south and east dry overnight and very mild. 9 or 10. the low and very mild. 9 or 10. the low a little colder though in northern scotland, with northern parts of scotland, with some here as the some clearer skies here as the wet weather pushes north tomorrow. fairly soggy morning through central belt and through the central belt and across northern ireland. eventually we'll see some snow on tops the mountains. on the tops of the mountains. further south there will be some more showery rain coming into wales of southwest wales and parts of southwest england again, of eastern england again, much of eastern england again, much of eastern england and here england dry, and here temperatures could temperatures tomorrow could reach 16 celsius. goodbye. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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of westminster. all across the uk today. the big question is this has the political class ever been more out of touch ? and ever been more out of touch? and are they too obsessed with minority interests ? a pmqs minority interests? a pmqs today, the main political event of the week saw the two main parties squabble over who is the most racist. happy ramadan and talking yet again about ceasefires in gaza . when will ceasefires in gaza. when will they stop ignoring the majority and tackle the real issues facing this great country ? of facing this great country? of course, this comes as lee anderson, during his defection to reform, said that he wanted his country back. we'll be asking throughout the show, do you feel proud to be british? if not, why not? and do you blame the political class? lee anderson will be joining us later in the show to pick up on that feisty debate. and you're not going to believe this last one. failed asylum seekers are to be offered thousands of pounds to encourage them to move

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