said tory's reluctance to mp said tory's reluctance to call out racism and sexism is hardly surprising . but she said hardly surprising. but she said she was disappointed in the labour party for being equally reluctant. it's after the conservatives biggest owner, frank hester, allegedly said that the former labour mp made him want to hate all black women, and that she should be shot. mr hester says he's deeply sorry remarks . the first sorry for the remarks. the first minister of wales has criticised bofis minister of wales has criticised boris johnson's leadership dunng boris johnson's leadership during the covid pandemic. mark drakeford said the former prime minister was like the absent manager of a football team and accused him of not taking the pandemic seriously . speaking at pandemic seriously. speaking at the covid inquiry, he also said mr johnson was deliberately unclear as to whether some rules only apply to england. the welsh conservatives accused mr drakeford of using the inquiry to attack his political opponents, and called for a wales specific inquiry . an wales specific inquiry. an aristocrat accused of neglecting her newborn baby leading to her death, has defended her decision

to house a child in a tent. constance marten, who's 36, went on the run with her partner, 49 year old mark gordon, in an attempt to keep their newborn baby. miss martin justified keeping her child outdoors in wintry conditions, telling the court that jesus survived in a barn. she also said she didn't agree with the medical warnings against keeping babies outside, saying that lots of children live without heating. baby victoria's remains were found in a supermarket bag near brighton in march of last year. miss martin and mr gordon deny charges of manslaughter. the case is continuing and tiktok could be banned in the us unless the app's chinese owners sell its american operation . the its american operation. the house of representatives voted to pass a bill that would require the social media company to be sold or blocked with an overwhelming majority. the bill still needs to pass the senate to become law here in the uk. tiktok hasn't been banned before, but it was blocked from government devices in 2023 over

data privacy concerns . and for data privacy concerns. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts. by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's gb news. com slash alerts. now wsfime gb news. com slash alerts. now it's time for headliners . it's time for headliners. >> hello and welcome to headliners. i'm andrew doyle and i've got a whole load of interesting stories from tomorrow's newspapers. i've also got fantastic comedians, tomorrow's newspapers. i've also got andntastic comedians, tomorrow's newspapers. i've also got and alan c comedians, tomorrow's newspapers. i've also got and alan and �*nedians, tomorrow's newspapers. i've also got and alan and scott ns, steve and alan and scott capurro. >> and how are you both , scott? >> and how are you both, scott? you were performing at my comedy club last night. >> you? very well. >> you? very well. >> you? very well. >> you squeezed me and i did >> you squeezed me in and i did five minutes. >> you squeezed me in and i did fiveyourutes. >> you squeezed me in and i did fiveyou did?. >> you squeezed me in and i did fiveyou did? that's exactly. you >> you did? that's exactly. you made that sound filthy. >> but know. >> but you know. >> but you know. >> you do very, very >> but you did do very, very well. walkouts. well. no walkouts. >> you offend anyone. >> so you didn't offend anyone. >> so you didn't offend anyone. >> lost it. >> i know i've lost it. >> clearly. and you didn't fire me? >> ridiculous. e—n e“ >> no. ridiculous. so not the way wanted it to go. way you wanted it to go. >> are steve?

>> how are you, steve? >> how are you, steve? >> yeah, i had a night in. >> yeah, i had a night in. >> were less dramatic, but because i've got six because i've got the six year old week old kids. old kid at six week old kids. >> the six old >> yes. knew the six year old would be lot older. so it's would be a lot older. so it's still crying. >> well, congratulations. that's very well you. very exciting. well thank you. >> very well they >> i do cry very well when they cry. might suggest some cry. might i suggest some michael that michael jackson videos? that usually down? usually calms them down? >> crack on by >> okay, well, let's crack on by having a at front having a look at the front coven having a look at the front cover. going to start cover. so we're going to start with daily mail. cover. so we're going to start witiand daily mail. cover. so we're going to start witiand running ail. cover. so we're going to start witiand running with >> and they're running with shapps backs spending our shapps backs spending 3% on our defence. telegraph has gove to identify groups as identify muslim groups as extremists . the guardian identify muslim groups as extremists. the guardian diane abbott is accusing the tories of playing the race card as the hester row intensifies. if you want to know what that is, stick around. we're going to be talking about that. the express migrant to rwanda migrant flight plans to rwanda in and the i tory in good place and the i tory reliance on race row major donor revealed and the daily star. they're making a new titanic . they're making a new titanic. what could possibly go wrong? those are front pages. all. those are your front pages. all. right. we're going to begin with

thursday's guardian. steve has got the details. >> it's the story that keeps on giving. they go with abbott accuses tories of playing race card as hester row intensifies. so accuses the conservatives so she accuses the conservatives of playing the race card on the way into the general election. this is effectively saying stoking the culture war, because that will some help them. that will in some way help them. but story is just amazing. but this story is just amazing. there are so many layers. well, who's hester? for a start, hester the person said hester is the person who said diane abbott is bad she makes diane abbott is so bad she makes you hate all black women. this is frank hester, who's a donor to the tory party, a major donor to the tory party, a major donor to 21% of their budget comes from him. right, £10 million. but don't worry, he's but don't worry, because he's he owns that's received owns a company that's received hundreds of millions of pounds worth of contracts from the nhs. there's a little, little cycle. so our money goes to the nhs that then goes to him. he gives 10 billion, a million of it to the 1% back. that makes the tories, 1% back. that makes sure they in charge so sure that they stay in charge so they can keep this cycle going with all of this kind of stuff. you always slightly you know, i'm always slightly hesitant because that hesitant because i know that things can be taken out of context. that things are

context. i know that things are sometimes in jest sometimes saying said in jest and and it's and you don't, and it's misreported. that how you misreported. is that how you defend that defend yourself? that is how i defend yourself? that is how i defend myself. and it works very well now. but but reading well up to now. but but reading the quotation, just the full quotation, i just i mean, looks bad. this is mean, this looks bad. this is this indefensible. this looks indefensible. it sounds it sounds terrible when you read it out on crowded bus too. out loud on a crowded bus too. did try to do just on did you try to do that just on the here, scott? i mean, the way here, scott? i mean, come would you come on. i mean, what would you in situation? so the tories in this situation? so the tories have million this have had 10 million from this guy and then they've said they would another 10 million would take another 10 million if he i mean at he offered it. yeah. i mean at what do you say actually what point do you say actually the it if the money isn't worth it if someone's going to say this kind of thing? of vile thing? >> it's much of vile thing? >> it's >> well, it's so much a part of their skate on their budget and they skate on such financially that such thin ice financially that they need his help, and they really need his help, and they're coming close to an election. of they'll election. so of course they'll take they can get. >> mean, is it the i mean, >> i mean, is it the i mean, there must be the case if when he said that should he said that she should be shot, that shocked. that i was so shocked. >> really took aback. >> that really took me aback. i mean, there's racism mean, of course there's racism andifs mean, of course there's racism and it's horrible, but because two mps have died, it's like, why is he saying now? why is he saying this now? >> it just feels >> yeah, i mean, it just feels wrong. thing wrong. but you know, the thing is, be all is, steve, there must be all sorts situations sorts of situations where political political political donors to political

parties exactly morally political donors to political partiiand exactly morally political donors to political partiiand i'm exactly morally political donors to political partiiand i'm sure ictly morally political donors to political partiiand i'm sure we! morally political donors to political partiiand i'm sure we! mcthat pure and i'm sure we get that across the board. and at what point do people say they need to pass this test we take pass this test before we take the is it possible? it's the money? is it possible? it's what asking, on an ethical what i'm asking, on an ethical level, this kind level, to separate this kind of thing the receiving thing from the receiving the money, not when it's 10 million. i less, then i think if it were less, then they'd be like, oh, they don't really don't want this association. but 10 million is a bit much. this is why, he rishi doesn't want to open the floodgates because if floodgates on this because if they give back they go, okay, we'll give back they go, okay, we'll give back the million. then the the 10 million. then all the journalists for journalists are going to do for the is look at the next fortnight is look at who lot of money and who gives a lot of money and things they've said before and then about this? then go, what about this? and i promise you they'll stuff. promise you they'll find stuff. oh thing. oh yeah, that's the thing. >> a lot of celebrities give >> and a lot of celebrities give money that we don't even know about. anonymously. about. yeah, anonymously. and in the a lot money the us they give a lot of money to, writers, directors, actors that people don't want to be involved it's how that people don't want to be involkeep it's how that people don't want to be involkeep their it's how that people don't want to be involkeep their power. it's how that people don't want to be involkeep their power. yeah.iow that people don't want to be involkeep their power. yeah. is/ they keep their power. yeah. is their finance. >> absolutely. okay, >> yeah. absolutely. okay, well, we're the we're going to move on to the front thursday's mail. front of thursday's daily mail. scott. they are leading with a different story. >> shapps back 3% on >> shapps back spending 3% on our the ministers our defence. the ministers called a cash boost called for a cash boost for a more dangerous world. really? he he he used vladimir putin as an

example saying, they need a bigger budget. you need a bigger budget to defend yourself from vladimir putin. >> yes. because our military has been shrinking and has been shrinking and our navy has been shrinking and our navy has been and a lot of been shrinking. and a lot of people we need have people said that we need to have a than we a stronger defence than we currently a stronger defence than we curii ntly a stronger defence than we curii wonder defend >> i wonder who to defend yourself from, though, because poland's their poland's they spend 4% of their gdp , scandinavian countries. gdp, scandinavian countries. sweden spends a lot, finland spends a lot. they have quite a large air force, 38,000 next doon large air force, 38,000 next door. they are. but that's why. but this is why putin wants to invade that border with finland. he wants the property, but he also is terrified at finland's military. he knows how powerful they are. that's why he didn't. he didn't want finland to join nato. he tried to stop yes. nato. he tried to stop it. yes. and he's he tried to stop and he's tried. he tried to stop sweden as well. but i think that the you build your the more you build your military, may discourage military, it may not discourage putin. opposite putin. it may have the opposite effect. of effect. israel spends 4.5% of their on their military and their gdp on their military and saudi arabia 8.8. 5. >> but , saudi arabia 8.8. 5. >> but, i mean, you know, our military has been in the news recently. you know, they're desperate to recruit. they're talking about not having, you

know, checks know, rigorous security checks for nationals if they for foreign nationals if they want because we've want to join, because we've got to inflate numbers, to inflate the numbers, get the women well, women in there. yeah. well, there in the military there are women in the military more women? yeah. more you want more women? yeah. >> as many women >> conscript more as many women as men make a feminist as you do men make it a feminist issue. gay woman gun. issue. give a gay woman a gun. she solve many problems. steve >> yep. thoughts on that? not on that specifically, but on the story. it makes sense for story. no, it makes sense for spending increase. not spending to increase. it's not just staffing numbers . i just about staffing numbers. i mean, embarrassing when you mean, it's embarrassing when you hear without hear of like, ships without aircraft to put them and aircraft to put on them and people, enough people to people, not enough people to staff but the staff these things. but the future tends be future of this tends to be moving technology. lot moving towards technology. a lot of what happening in ukraine of what was happening in ukraine has based, whether has been drone based, whether it's ones it's been the water based ones or based ones. that's or the air based ones. that's where spending is also needed. so yeah, i think, i hate to say it grant shapps if that's his current name is right, but it makes agreeing with grant shapps. >> no, but it does make you wonder, if was wonder, though, if this was putin's was to putin's plan all along was to shake up the eu, make independent countries, spend more, make nato, spend more , and more, make nato, spend more, and then people's then destabilise people's communities more. communities more and more. because that's what it does. >> i mean, does putin have a

particularly strong military at the he that? he the moment? did he have that? he had thing in, had that presentation thing in, in square and they in the red square and they basically cardboard tanks. i basically had cardboard tanks. i think it's the straw. >> i looked it up, i looked it up. i think it's if not the up. and i think it's if not the strongest in the top four strongest in the top four strongest militaries in europe. strongest in the top four stronge they've|ries in europe. strongest in the top four stronge they've devoted urope. strongest in the top four stronge they've devoted so pe. strongest in the top four stronge they've devoted so much strongest in the top four strthee they've devoted so much strongest in the top four strthe ukrainianievoted so much strongest in the top four strthe ukrainian theyzd so much strongest in the top four strthe ukrainian they have.�*nuch strongest in the top four strthe ukrainian they have. so,h of the ukrainian they have. so, you maybe we don't need it you know, maybe we don't need it anyway, the anyway, let's move on to the express. the front cover of thursday's steve thursday's express. steve migrants rwanda migrants flight plan to rwanda in good place. this is a this is the funniest is the good place rwanda. is that what they're talking about? well, legally it's a good place. yes, because they've a bill saying they've passed a bill saying that is safe. yes. and that's that it is safe. yes. and that's what they maybe do with what they should maybe do with areas of london. and then you wouldn't about knife wouldn't worry about knife crime. got to do is crime. all you've got to do is have a vote on it. apparently you declare places you can just declare places croydon i wouldn't go croydon rocks. i wouldn't go that but steve, that far, scott, but but, steve, you to them their you know, to give them their due. i you know, to give them their due i uke you know, to give them their due. i like the rwandan due. i mean, like the rwandan government very at government were very angry at the that rwanda the suggestion that rwanda wasn't safe place. know, wasn't a safe place. you know, they on they were pushing back on that. they've morals they were pushing back on that. they've they morals they were pushing back on that. they've they were morals they were pushing back on that. they've they were threatening to because they were threatening to pull deal the deal pull out of the deal if the deal broke international laws, which is not been

is something we've not been particularly about. particularly too fussed about. but we move away but before we move away from this we mention this story, we have to mention the with it. the plan that goes with it. rwanda 2.0, which is, yes, there's this plan to send people to rwanda, and if you apply for asylum in the uk and you and it's not approved, they will pay you. there's a new plan. £3,000. ching ching, baby, to fly rwanda. so if you then come back again this is brilliant. if you come back again quick and if you get three grand, then this is a nice little nest egg builder. >> a nice business round >> it's a nice business round trip it is such an >> yeah, it is such an embarrassment. i'm telling >> yeah, it is such an emtwhyssment. i'm telling >> yeah, it is such an emtwhy they're i'm telling >> yeah, it is such an emtwhy they're doingm telling >> yeah, it is such an emtwhy they're doing it.telling you why they're doing it. clearly at some clearly it's so that at some point the future they can point in the future they can say, this say, well, we've sent this many people as long as you people to rwanda. as long as you don't the little don't look at the little asterisk point out they were asterisk and point out they were the who got paid the volunteer ones who got paid three for it, they can three grand for it, they can make look like of make it look like less of a failing plan. >> we could go rwanda and >> we could go to rwanda and open little comedy club for open a little comedy club for three grand, couldn't we? a little why not? >> but, scott, is it not the case that this idea is dead in the water? i mean, it just hasn't worked. gone hasn't worked. it's gone already. surely i mean, already. i mean, surely i mean, at they were of at one point they were sort of floating of one

floating the idea of using one of of the islands in, of the sort of the islands in, in the highlands of scotland as a do that? why a place. why not do that? why not anglesey? mean, not just use anglesey? i mean, there's else. there's no one else. >> is using it. the >> no one else is using it. the only thing is he has been turned down party so many times down by his party so many times with rwanda plan. and it with his rwanda plan. and it reminds poor, chita reminds me of poor, chita rivera. what was her name? the woman who country woman who ran the country for two let's two and a half years, let's just go that. it reminds go with that. anyway, it reminds me with the covid thing, me of her with the covid thing, with all her plans and stuff. the stuff. brexit the brexit stuff. no brexit lady. her lady. how have i forgotten her name dementia. name already? dementia. anyway, our during our prime minister during brexit. yes. mrs. dementia. >> theresa may? >> you mean theresa may? >> you mean theresa may? >> do theresa may. >> i do theresa may. >> i do theresa may. >> that who you are? >> is that really who you are? >> is that really who you are? >> chita rivera. >> i thought chita rivera. i didn't know chita rivera. she's on but yes. on my mind. but yes. >> theresa, confusing with >> theresa, confusing me with your reminds me of, your hints, it reminds me of, your hints, it reminds me of, you just said the woman with the nice shoes. right. may. nice shoes. right. chita may. right, arrives. right, theresa. chita arrives. leave pass leave her trying to pass her brexit being turned brexit deal and being turned down like, three times row. down like, three times in a row. and just left. and she finally just left. >> she left. >> she left. >> i >> she left. >> -i he e ii he knows he's >> and i think he knows he's leaving. think that's what the leaving. i think that's what the point plan point is. he's putting this plan forward, knowing it'll be rejected fill space in rejected just to fill space in social media because he knows he's going. >> being persistent >> maybe he's being persistent and feels like he's and maybe he feels like he's

going a may election. going to call a may election. >> he can't wait till >> he is. he can't wait till october. he won't last. yeah, exactly. >> that's the thing. doesn't >> that's the thing. he doesn't need to that long. he's so need to last that long. he's so close this, he's close to the end of this, he's not to be replaced as not going to be replaced as leader something massive leader unless something massive happens. fingers crossed happens. well, fingers crossed really? drama. really? oh god. the drama. let's move front cover of move on to the front cover of the not too the star. let's not spend too much on one, all right? >> there's a rich guy who wants to rebuild the titanic. he says he a better ship. he can make a better ship. >> well, look, the whole titanic two always like a hack two thing was always like a hack joke. it was always a punchline to sort bad jokes. i heard to sort of bad jokes. i heard some very bad comedians telling it. titanic two. isn't it tempting you tempting fate, steve? well, you know, made the know, when they made the titanic, remember the titanic, i can't remember the names of the other ones that were made at the same time. it was the olympic. yeah and they famously hit an iceberg was the olympic. yeah and they famisink. hit an iceberg was the olympic. yeah and they famisink. so hit an iceberg was the olympic. yeah and they famisink. so event an iceberg was the olympic. yeah and they famisink. so even out iceberg was the olympic. yeah and they famisink. so even out ofaberg was the olympic. yeah and they famisink. so even out of those and sink. so even out of those three, odds are in your three, the odds are in your favour you won't sink. favour that you won't sink. yeah, i just wouldn't it yeah, i just wouldn't call it that. i'd call the that. no, i, i'd call it the iceberg just out. iceberg just to cancel out. >> read story today about >> i read this story today about a chef that was on the titanic that survived. even though he didn't so didn't get in a boat. he was so drunk when got in the drunk that when he got in the water, stayed warm. his water, he stayed warm. his his his his region,

his his vascular region, constricted him alive constricted and kept him alive for two hours. >> if only leonardo dicaprio had known you know when that known then you know when that when woman him off when that woman pushed him off the yeah. silly him being >> yeah. silly him being a cokehead, he should drink. >> was a murder >> i mean, that was a murder story. she killed him. story. really? she killed him. kate winslet killed him. yeah, she'd yeah. she'd had enough. yeah, yeah. okay. end of okay. well that's the end of part we've been covering part one. we've been covering the there, we're the front pages there, but we're going to the news going to delve in to the news newspapers the newspapers right after the break, going be break, and we're going to be talking being talking about christians being all about muslims and all christians about muslims and quantum and i'm quantum computers. and i'm assuming

welcome back to headliners. your first look at thursday's newspapers. i'm andrew doyle and tonight's merry mirth makers are steve n allen and scott capurro . steve n allen and scott capurro. and steve, we're going to go to thursday's times first. it's a good thing they're not owned by a foreigner. yeah. they go with ministers set to ban foreign states of uk states ownership of uk newspapers. they set the scene. so this they say it's likely to

block sale of the daily block the sale of the daily telegraph. you've a guy telegraph. so you've got a guy used cnn . he sets up an used to run cnn. he sets up an investment fund. he teams up with investment fund with another investment fund that owned by the that is privately owned by the deputy vice deputy prime minister and vice president of the uae. so it's key to remember it's a privately owned investment firm because that they want that comes back later. they want to telegraph and the to buy the telegraph and the spectator everyone goes, spectator and everyone goes, well, can't foreign well, you you can't have foreign states owning our media. but that's the sticky they've that's the sticky wicket they've got on, is that it's not got you on, is that it's not state money, private money state money, it's private money from who runs the state from someone who runs the state or the state, i suppose. or co runs the state, i suppose. so they still is a good there's a good question. there should you have someone with that much influence. no one's ever bought a newspaper to make money. you buy it influence, but buy it for influence, but they're lose some they're going to lose some money. fear i presume, money. the fear i presume, is that are despotic that these are despotic states and corrupt state, and therefore corrupt state, and they attempt influence they will attempt to influence politics a result. but then, politics as a result. but then, didn't kind of do didn't rupert murdoch kind of do the that's exactly didn't rupert murdoch kind of do the point that's exactly didn't rupert murdoch kind of do the point . that's exactly didn't rupert murdoch kind of do the point . if that's exactly didn't rupert murdoch kind of do the point . if the that's exactly didn't rupert murdoch kind of do the point . if the rules exactly didn't rupert murdoch kind of do the point . if the rule hasactly didn't rupert murdoch kind of do the point . if the rule has to .y didn't rupert murdoch kind of do the point . if the rule has to be, my point. if the rule has to be, if want to stop this if you want to stop this happening, be ban happening, it can't be you ban state ownership, you have to ban foreign then foreign ownership, and then you've a word with you've got to have a word with murdoch. you say,

murdoch. and as you say, the times probably like times probably wouldn't like that not. that. no probably not. >> owned >> everything's owned by everybody social everybody on social media. i mean, are terrified of mean, people are terrified of what's happening that what's happening on tiktok, that the try to the chinese might try to influence us, but i watch cat videos, i don't that's videos, so i don't think that's subject to that. >> i don't really know about that. >> i don't really know about tha it's i mean, i think >> it's weird. i mean, i think that we're all subject all that we're all subject to all sorts of foreign all sorts of foreign influence all the is it >> yeah, but is it a particularly bad when it's a like you know, the united like the, you know, the united arab or, somewhere arab emirates or, or somewhere like is like that where it is dictatorial , you know, and they dictatorial, you know, and they will attempt to. but although we're wouldn't we, if we're notice, wouldn't we, if you suddenly started having, you know, snuck know, propaganda sort of snuck into think into the spectator, i think people to notice people would start to notice this didn't if people people would start to notice this that didn't if people people would start to notice this that quick dn't if people people would start to notice this that quick to 't if people people would start to notice this that quick to spot)eople people would start to notice this that quick to spot the le were that quick to spot the influence of newspapers , it influence of newspapers, it wouldn't be the case that one newspaper can effectively pick who's going to be prime minister. have that minister. yes. so they have that power. don't always notice it power. we don't always notice it unless it's blatant and i think they gifted do you believe they gifted it. do you believe that, i mean, the sun that, though? i mean, the sun claim won didn't claim that they won it, didn't they? sun won it. that they? the sun wot won it. that was headline, when it came was their headline, when it came to but you, to the tories. but do you, do you that? you buy that? >> been starting >> papers have been starting wars last 150 years. wars for the last 150 years. i do think it's true. in the us they've influence. yeah i

they've got influence. yeah i do, i people when do, i think i think people when they they trust they when they trust a publication, really believe publication, they really believe what they read on paper. >> i will say about the daily mail, i think they've successfully people think successfully made people think that enemy of that judges are the enemy of the people and other groups, that people and other groups, that people in a pub not people sit around in a pub not giving two hoots about judges. you. wouldn't thought you. we wouldn't have thought about until the daily mail about this until the daily mail decided to frame people as the enemy people. i enemy of the people. i just don't i have faith in don't know. i have more faith in humanity that. i think humanity than that. i think people have their own ideas about these things. >> educated though >> you're higher educated though too, that. >> you're higher educated though too well, that. >> you're higher educated though too well, no that. >> you're higher educated though too well, no , that. >> you're higher educated though too well, no , but|t. >> you're higher educated though too well, no , but there's nothing >> well, no, but there's nothing to do. i mean, i think, >> well, no, but there's nothing to dknow,aan, i think, >> well, no, but there's nothing to dknow, “it, i think, >> well, no, but there's nothing to dknow, i mean, i think, >> well, no, but there's nothing to dknow, i mean, that's1ink, >> well, no, but there's nothing to dknow, i mean, that's a1k, >> well, no, but there's nothing to dknow, i mean, that's a good you know, i mean, that's a good example. that during example. i think that during brexit, people said that the media was influencing the way people were people vote. people were debating months and debating that for months and months. everyone debating months. everyone was debating it, and outs, it, debating the ins and outs, literally ins and outs of the eu. anyone was eu. i don't think anyone was thinking judges were the thinking that judges were the enemy the people. that is. enemy of the people. that is. well, there a very well, but then there was a very good that we had good legal argument that we had an contingent within an activist contingent within the attempting to the judiciary attempting to thwart i think case thwart it. and i think that case was made clearly. i think was made quite clearly. i think maybe language might maybe the language might be inflammatory, i think the inflammatory, but i think the argument itself, don't

argument itself, i don't know, i think people are maybe smarter than faith in critical theory. >> anyway, you for brexit. >> anyway, you voted for brexit. we away from this we should move away from this conversation. do think conversation. but i do think that, yes, i think journalism, conversation. but i do think that know,i think journalism, conversation. but i do think that know,i thinknewspapers you know, these newspapers have a the a political stance. that's the purpose them, i think. purpose of them, i think. >> well, at least they're open about political about their political stance, which most of them are. >> yeah. >> yeah. okay, >> yeah. okay, we're >> yeah. okay, we're going >> yeah. well, okay, we're going to thursday's to move on to thursday's telegraph religious telegraph a nice religious story for scott. he'll this one. for scott. he'll like this one. why i get the religious why do i get the religious story? because so pious, story? because you're so pious, the that the archbishop claims that muslim communities are at risk over new extremist definition . over new extremist definition. as bishop justin welby and stephen cottrell , release. they stephen cottrell, release. they have released a statement to michael gove as he prepares to unveil new extremism strategies. >> what gove is trying >> this is what gove is trying to define extremism. >> he is and this in a joint statement, the most reverend, reverend justin was hard for me to say. go to the archbishop of canterbury. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> that guy, he's labelling a multifaceted problem and hateful extremism can vilify the wrong people, increase divisions within communities. he's

basically asking gove to be very, cautious. very, very cautious. >> haven't seen the >> but we haven't seen the definition yet, have we? yes. >> trying to pre—empt a >> he's trying to pre—empt a strike. okay. >> it will depend >> but you know, it will depend on it says. mean, i think on what it says. i mean, i think it's quite useful if it's probably quite useful if you have a definition of what this stuff means. >> w >> relatively subdued to gove tries be pretty tries to be tends to be pretty calm yeah. calm about stuff like, yeah. >> wondering what >> so i'm wondering what he knows don't well be knows that we don't has well be seen draft version or seen a draft version or something. what's this? you something. what's this? well you know, yeah, know, he's connected. yeah, absolutely. mean, what absolutely. i mean, look what i suppose presumed suppose you could have presumed that archbishops might have stuck talking about christian stuck to talking about christian issues rather than worrying about. are you joking? the archbishop of canterbury is always with always getting involved with politics. might be politics. i think there might be a the way. the fact a merger on the way. the fact that they're talking that much, and also paragraph you and also that paragraph you talked they talked about where they described reverend described as the most reverend justin welby and the most reverend well, reverend stephen cottrell. well, which most? this is which one's the most? this is not superlatives work. one not how superlatives work. one of reverend of them must be more reverend than there's only than the other. and there's only one find it's. it one way to find out. it's. it should a fight. should be should be a fight. should be a fight, but a mud wrestle. >> the ground, to >> yeah. down to the ground, to the waist. >> on of swords. exactly. >> on a ring of swords. exactly. that's you got story. that's why you got this story. yeah definition. yeah exactly the definition. worryingly, said worryingly, some newspapers said it undermining it might talk about undermining

the the the democratic principles of the uk. done it. uk. well, we've all done it. we've here and said bad we've sat here and said bad things about rishi. yes. are we now this is of now extremist this is one of those where do worry those things where you do worry about phrased law or about a badly phrased law or definition will incorporate people and people that it shouldn't. and i don't government don't trust this government because to because they weren't going to get the rules on protesting through. so they just rush it through. so they just rush it through without a parliamentary debate because the jubilee. debate because of the jubilee. they don't like online they you don't like the online harms not. i don't harms? no, i do not. i don't like this government taking more freedoms by their own freedoms away by their own definition. like definition. i also don't like the of redefining terms the strategy of redefining terms for political ends. and both sides let's be absolutely sides do it. let's be absolutely clear . clear. >> i think he i think that these two whatever the most two men, whatever is the most honoured or whatever, honoured or revered or whatever, these mostly reverend these two are mostly reverend people i think just want people. i think they just want go honour and what they say go to honour and what they say is cherish the is honour and cherish the community and the community of god and the community of god and the community of god and the community of religion. i think they don't want it. they don't want it denigrated in any way. and they're nervous about politics getting involved. that's saying. well that's what they're saying. well they're stepping in. >> a reticence >> but there's also a reticence to acknowledge is to acknowledge that there is a problem islamist extremism to acknowledge that there is a pr

of politicians are not even saying when lindsay saying the word when lindsay hoyle, upended hoyle, you know, upended parliamentary protocol, he couldn't use i word, couldn't even use the i word, you and there's kind of you know, and there's kind of like of mealy mouth like that kind of mealy mouth element helpful element to this isn't helpful ehhen element to this isn't helpful either. if they get things either. maybe if they get things defined we might be defined clearly, we might be able open able to have an open conversation that. think conversation on that. i think that's attempt by that's just been an attempt by labour to have a definition that they could use against the tories, because at the moment, if you trying accuse the if you are trying to accuse the tories just being racist, tories of just being racist, they get to play the look at our diverse cabinet that had they get to play the look at our divewhat|binet that had they get to play the look at our divewhat aboutthat had they get to play the look at our divewhat about the had they get to play the look at our divewhat about the anti—semitism and what about the anti—semitism element the element within the ranks of the labour finish that labour party to finish that point, having point, though, about having islamophobia to islamophobia as the way to attack them? if you get the definition the way you definition of that the way you want you accuse the tories want it, you accuse the tories of it and they can't come back. well, similarly, had well, similarly, we've had endless debates about the definition of islamophobia, which a bit a which i think is a bit of a nonsense terms anyway. and they've cross they've had a cross party consultation we should consultation over how we should define trouble define this. tum and the trouble with is end up with that terms is you end up with, you the kind of with, you know, the kind of nasty who would like, nasty people who would like, i don't throw a don't know, throw bacon at a mosque or something stupid like that conflated with people that are conflated with people who legitimate who want to issue legitimate criticisms of islam as a belief system. should open to system. it should be open to criticism, and that's

criticism, you know, and that's a problem, isn't it? again, this word politics, a problem, isn't it? again, this vllhlnk. politics, i think. >> e concerned e“— >> and people are concerned like these two reverend people are concerned about the potential violence go violence that might well go along with the definition, because then you can point fingers and say, well, that's them. that's how they are. they're in that way and they're defined in that way and they're they're they're different. they're apart from again, from us. instead of, again, a cherished community. enough i >> -- >> you know, scott, when you say those reverend people, it doesn't sound mean it, doesn't sound like you mean it, if honest. if i'm honest. >> i don't respect >> yeah, i don't the respect isn't authentic. don't think isn't authentic. i don't think it's for me. i just think it's hard for me. i just think that they're just people with opinions. really? yeah. >> let's move on >> okay, let's let's move on then to this story, which is the independent. now and this is a story that might make you reconsider joining the danish army . who's this? army. who's got this? >> wants conscript >> denmark wants to conscript more military more people from military service, including women. for the first time, denmark's government wants to increase their numbers as the danes get more and more fearful about their own safety. >> but danish women are pretty scrappy. >> they are, and they're trying to match what other scandinavian countries conscripts countries do. norway conscripts women a long time. women has for quite a long time. sweden finland lets women sweden does. finland lets women volunteer for military

volunteer for the military service conscript service but doesn't conscript them. swedish again, we them. but the swedish again, we spoke about this earlier. the swedish is most swedish military is the most powerful scandinavian military, and maybe the have it and maybe the danes have had it with swedes. they want that. with the swedes. they want that. they they just them they want. they just want them off bridge. off their bridge. >> going invade >> denmark's going to invade sweden . sweden. >> my bridge! wow! they >> get off my bridge! wow! they want cheese. >> get off my bridge! wow! they want heard se. >> get off my bridge! wow! they want heard it. >> get off my bridge! wow! they want heard it here first. >> you heard it here first. >> you heard it here first. >> i don't what they >> yeah. i don't know what they want, think what they want want, but i think what they want is borders be safe. is their borders to be safe. although are and although the danes are safe and they're about they're very cautious about immigration. yes. i'm not quite sure they're afraid sure what they're afraid of. >> interesting. steve, what do you one? for it? you make of this one? for it? the of. yeah, because i'm the idea of. yeah, because i'm a bloke, but i'm not danish, so you're not my you're right, it's not even my issue. but i it would. it issue. but i think it would. it would stop people so would stop people being so willing to think war's the solution. if you might get called up as well . it's very called up as well. it's very much like in that bar situation where you've got a more of where if you've got a more of a high maintenance girlfriend who might that might start fights knowing that it's you that gets punched, it really level the playing really could level the playing field involved. i field if you get involved. i think is true for think this is true for politicians well. i mean, as politicians as well. i mean, as soon conscription, soon as you have conscription, they're kids they're sending their own kids off maybe they off to fight and maybe they won't war. so

recklessly. >> they're saying want >> they're saying that they want to themselves, not to rearm themselves, not to create but to war. create war, but to stop war. they think it discourages people, like say, not just people, like you say, not just locals, foreigners from locals, but foreigners from invading them because they're thinking, well, if they're that powerful, we might get killed. it it not be good. it might. it might not be good. it might. it might not be good. i i think russia thought i think i think russia thought that going be that ukraine was going to be a one thing. one day thing. >> yeah. they most certainly >> yeah. no, they most certainly did. going to did. okay. we're going to move on and this section with on and finish this section with the telegraph. unfortunately, lewis on today, so we lewis wasn't on today, so we have to turn to our reserve scientific specialist. fair enough, britain kerbs quantum computer exports amid fears over foreign military use. okay, you gonna have to explain this to me. i got lost at quantum. all right, so quantum computers, you use, things that can be in superpositions of states instead of processing, of doing normal processing, which is like a one or a zero binary, you get these superpositions of state. be binary, you get these slone, ositions of state. be binary, you get these slone, a;itions of state. be binary, you get these slone, a zero,; of state. be binary, you get these slone, a zero, or: state. be binary, you get these slone, a zero, or in:ate. be binary, you get these slone, a zero, or in a:e. be binary, you get these slone, a zero, or in a mixture e a one, a zero, or in a mixture of both. yes. and only when you observe resolve to observe it does it resolve to either the zero. okay, either one or the zero. okay, but i hope that made sense to someone. >> no idea what he's talking about. >> the and people make the sci

fiheadunes >> the and people make the sci fi headlines make it like fi headlines make it seem like these computers are amazing. they moment. they are terrible at the moment. they're in comparison. they're very slow in comparison. normal they're great normal computers, they're great at out at specialised jobs, working out how or how proteins fold or my favourite is. most favourite one is. the most common it is modelling common use for it is modelling quantum systems. someone quantum systems. so someone goes, what goes, oh, i wonder what a quantum would do, i know, quantum system would do, i know, let's model this quantum let's model it on this quantum system. really what system. it's not really what computers about. so what's computers are about. so what's the deal with this? why is the big deal with this? why is this it's about this an issue? it's more about the have the idea that they might have a military the moment military use. and at the moment they don't. but as they develop, if you find that you if suddenly you find that you can use a quantum computer in some way, that's useful for al or something, then retrospectively becomes retrospectively it all becomes a bit more worrying that other people have it. my, the biggest worry is that they can use it to crack the encryption. we've got like bit encryption is like 128 bit encryption is pretty solid. if quantum pretty solid. but if quantum computers crack it computers can crack that, it wouldn't in future. wouldn't be safe in the future. but people are already but there people are already capturing data that is encrypted, can encrypted, so you can retrospectively crack it and have a read, which finally means we'll something out of the we'll get something out of the covid . you what? covid inquiry. do you know what? none is safe, scott. i none of this is safe, scott. i mean, was talking you

mean, i was talking to you earlier about this. i was earlier about this. this. i was told that al going to told today that al is going to be all be more intelligent than all human combined. by 2028. human beings combined. by 2028. that they're going that means they're going to kill us now . at what point do we say, us now. at what point do we say, look, let's just destroy the computers now while we can? yeah, and just a crack yeah, and just just have a crack at future. a possible future. at a future. a possible future. >> i'm still hanging the >> i'm still hanging on the point fold . yeah, point that proteins fold. yeah, i know, are you. i'm not with that. not getting that at that. i'm not getting that at all. should be. all. maybe i should be. >> i'm too stupid for protein >> i i'm too stupid for protein origami. do? origami. what do you do? literally thing, literally the trickiest thing, trying how a protein trying to work out how a protein is to to another is going to attach to another molecule. you need to know how it folds. trying that on a it folds. trying to do that on a normal computer takes years of processing power. but because you a quantum quantum you can use a quantum quantum computer of that computer to do more of that processing , we'll be able to processing, we'll be able to find out new proteins. >> this is all french. it's all french. fold or french. do proteins fold or or does protein folds protein does a protein folds protein fold a protein folds or do which is it? >> do you mean what is it folds. it doesn't collapse as a business. >> so it's just it's a singular thing that folds a protein a protein folds. >> look, we're going >> look, guys, we're never going to this. we don't to solve this. we don't understand of

proteins. >> i'd rather be. i me >> i'd rather be. i kill me right now. >> absolutely >> seriously? absolutely okay, well, look, we're halfway through. a whole well, look, we're halfway throug of a whole well, look, we're halfway throug of stories a whole well, look, we're halfway throug of stories to a whole well, look, we're halfway throug of stories to anger whole well, look, we're halfway throug of stories to anger and>le bunch of stories to anger and delight, including us versus tiktok. trans school guidance rumbling on why you might be licking your partner, and many,

welcome back to headliners it's your first look at thursday's newspapers. let's get straight into it with the times. scott, it's into it with the times. scott, wsfime into it with the times. scott, it's time to go back to your myspace account. >> right , tiktok myspace account. >> right, tiktok is about to >> oh, right, tiktok is about to be in the us. apparently be banned in the us. apparently they voted on it. i think it was today or recently. the protecting americans from foreign adversary controlled applications bill. yes. because apparently on this guy , chip apparently on this guy, chip roy, whose actual name is eugene chip means he's probably. >> i can see why he changed it. he's probably a second chip off the old block. >> that's where those nicknames. oh, i see so chip roy, he a

republican texas who voted republican from texas who voted against he said against covid funding. he said it welfare. didn't want it was welfare. it didn't want it. that's pass. it. but anyway, that's his pass. he we're war with china. >> well, that's what i hear. are we? well, i think the issue we're doing pretty well. we're doing issue, doing okay. i think the issue, scott, you know, scott, is that, you know, tiktok, that tiktok, the company that owns tiktok, the company that owns tiktok, i is called tiktok, which i think is called bytedance or something. sure, they a legal they are under a legal obugafion they are under a legal obligation in china hand over obligation in china to hand over all to the chinese all data to the chinese government should the chinese government should the chinese government right. government request it. right. so it's not as though the company is on. no, i no, no, but is spying on. no, i no, no, but it could case that they it could be the case that they have to. >> well, nancy pelosi, who i do trust more than chips just because that's her true name. she during time when she said during the time when these did, send these election tiktok did, send some information time on about the in china was, the uighurs in china that was, untrue. and they've also sent other information to other countries during their elections. so but again, it's up to us to discern what's accurate and what's true. if you have a critical theory, you can tell that the uighurs are not enjoying their time in china, that they're being tortured. of course they're being kidnapped. they're scandalously course they're being kidnapped. they're and scandalously course they're being kidnapped. they're and murdered ously course they're being kidnapped. they're and murdered .jsly treated and murdered. >> i the government

>> so i think the government that would trust. that i would trust. >> do you trust >> right. but do you trust facebook during political elections? i don't trust. facebook during political ele�*well,? i don't trust. facebook during political ele�*well, well, i don't trust. facebook during political ele�*well, well, theret trust. facebook during political ele�*well, well, there you st. >> well, well, there you go. i don't trust any of them. i'm aware this is a device that aware that this is a device that is watching is spying on us. it's watching you time. that me you all the time. and that to me is but i still use it is scary. but i still use it because, well, i watch gladys knight and the pips. >> i do my politics from >> i do not get my politics from tiktok. i again , i get my dog tiktok. i again, i get my dog licking i i get, i licking videos, i get, i get, i like watch people open their like to watch people open their christmas again, christmas packages and again, this less this comes well, i'm less worried about influence. >> like i say, i mean, you and i have very different about have very different ideas about this. mean, don't i don't this. i mean, i don't i don't believe russian bots believe that, russian bots on facebook election. facebook can swing an election. i i don't think i just don't i don't think people but i do people are drones, but i do think that data can be harvested and to people. and passed on to people. nefarious people. nefarious actors, people. we don't am don't want to have that. am i wrong, steve? no. right. wrong, steve? no. you're right. they have the legal they they would have the legal ability request data from ability to request data from bytedance, the chinese government. and that's not what you want . so what do government. and that's not what you want. so what do is you want. so what you do is well, they've done here. it's not ban. the headline is not a us ban. the headline is all their tiktok. all about their banning tiktok. they passing a rule that means the company that owns tiktok has to be separated from the to be separated off from the chinese well that

chinese part of. well that actually makes sense. yeah, but that won't happen. >> and they that that's >> and they know that that's what saying . they're what they're saying. they're saying we're making this this making. it look making. we're making it look like like a business ban. yeah, or but a business or not a ban, but a business request. we're asking you to change your business model. but of course, the chinese government won't allow this. and the us government that. the us government knows that. >> the chinese >> why wouldn't the chinese government and then government allow it and then still the same pressure still apply the same pressure that would? that's that it would? anyway, that's what would be the what i think would be the outcome. they'll what i think would be the outcc off. they'll what i think would be the outccoff. piece they'll what i think would be the outccoff. piece of they'll what i think would be the outccoff. piece of bytedance slice off a piece of bytedance and they do what and then they they'll do what they anyway. i think they want anyway. right. i think they want anyway. right. i think the here is trump's the big worry here is trump's flipped. now saying you flipped. so he's now saying you shouldn't rid of tiktok. he shouldn't get rid of tiktok. he was get rid it was trying to get rid of it before biden's now you before biden's now saying you should it. he's should get rid of it. he's just got a account. there was got a tiktok account. there was that him during the that video of him during the super answering some super bowl answering some questions. the big questions. oh really? the big question. he's not to question. he's not going to do a dance. the well, you'd dance. the no. well, if you'd never he? never get up again, would he? the was phone are the question was what phone are they you're not they using? because you're not allowed to have tiktok on government phones. oh they've got would got bernards. and where would where would biden get a burner? how know someone how is he going to know someone who's a scene? who's in with a drug scene? yeah, absolutely. can't think yeah, absolutely. i can't think of mind boggles. okay.

thursday's daily now, now , thursday's daily mail now, now, look, this is a genuinely disturbing news story about a primary school trend. steve, what happened to conkers and pokemon cards ? yeah, well, pokemon cards? yeah, well, oddly, conkers banned for health and . meanwhile, primary and safety. meanwhile, primary school children are filming themselves, and themselves, killing and torturing wild animals, including swans, deer, squirrels and then sharing the videos on whatsapp, which means you don't need tiktok to make our kids wrong. exactly. no, i mean, the kids are wrong and rousseau was wrong. they are evil little wrong. they are just evil little beasts to be civilised. >> although killing pigeons are kind of for it. >> the big worry here is that actually killing, torturing and killing a known killing animals is a well known step path to becoming step one on the path to becoming a psycho killer. >> this what i hear. >> this is what i hear. >> this is what i hear. >> apparently 20 years, you're going to be surrounded by them and youth and they'll have a youth advantage i knew advantage on us. you see, i knew this remember this at school. i remember one kid murdering spider with kid like murdering a spider with a gun. and i thought, a hot glue gun. and i thought, you're going up. you're you're going to end up. you're going to end up a serial killer. yeah, know if he yeah, and i don't know if he did. i haven't checked in. yeah, but might that a call. but you might give that a call. i wouldn't surprised your

i wouldn't be surprised your mom, using these mom, but, they're using these catapults to attack the animals and, stuck and, like, the pellets get stuck in gruesome. it is in there. it is gruesome. it is just where are just horrible. i mean, where are the parents? going on? the parents? what's going on? >> swans. swans are >> i know, but swans. swans are evil. maybe it's good for evil. and maybe it's good for kids learn how to kill kids to learn how to kill a creature. because at some point dunng creature. because at some point during whatever during the, whatever is happening future 2028, happening in the future in 2028, we'll we'll have no we'll have no, we'll have no community there'll community anymore. there'll be no business to supply food. we'll there. we'll all be there. >> have to hunting. >> gonna have to go hunting. >> gonna have to go hunting. >> right? and maybe, maybe they're their they're preparing for their future, to fight future, to train them to fight warrior robots. >> what the >> because that's what the future holds. >> because that's what the fullbuliolds. meantime, got >> but in the meantime, they got to energy up. they to keep their energy up. they got anita fox just to got to kill anita fox just to ruin the story. >> goes about banning >> it goes on about banning catapults, actually catapults, but actually what they're wildlife they're saying is the wildlife and 1981 lists and countryside act 1981 lists weapons to weapons that you can't use to kill animal. it be kill an animal. it should be included it's included there, even though it's not. favourite thing is not. my favourite thing is whatsapp this material is whatsapp says this material is against well, against our terms of use. well, that'll them. if you're that'll stop them. if you're just about to kill a swan. but i think implements i mean, think the implements i mean, kids little always kids always little boys always used as one used to have like knives as one of things. and didn't of their things. and they didn't go swans, for go around killing swans, for god's there's god's sake. i mean, there's something something something there is something going can. can scare a swan >> you can. you can scare a swan to death, though. i on a to death, though. i lived on a

farm. yeah, you can scare farm. yeah, yeah, you can scare them. can you? yeah. back them in can be pretty vicious. >> if it's self—defence, that's a different thing. >> they're very fast >> yes, but they're very fast targets. you force targets. you can. you can force them into heart attack. and them into a heart attack. and they're pheasants and they're killing pheasants and rabbits. maybe just rabbits. maybe they're just hungry. the kids. maybe they're not being fed properly at home. school we school meals are not good. we all that. all know that. >> yeah, maybe it feed them >> yeah, maybe it is feed them better schools and they won't better in schools and they won't kill i think kill geese. i just think children evil. well, okay. children are evil. well, okay. the mail are as the mail next are scott as teaching to teaching unions can't seem to help teach help their teachers teach facts. is right? is this right? >> teachers who refuse to use pupils are pupils preferred pronouns are going challenges. going to face legal challenges. it's mail, and some it's in the mail, and some teachers have said that they're not going to change the way they refer to students, the way they have in the last decade. so but the thing is that the government's putting through this for schools, this trans guidance for schools, which is actually long overdue because schools haven't known what . what they're doing. >> how do you handle a child who says there needs to be a rule? there to be a rule. there needs to be a rule. teachers to you know, teachers need to know, you know, they're psychotherapists. teachers need to know, you know, they're problemiotherapists. teachers need to know, you know, they're problemiotihere. sts. teachers need to know, you know, they're problemiotihere. they're but the problem is here. they're claiming if you don't use the unions that if you don't use the preferred of child, preferred pronoun of a child, you're breaking that's you're breaking the law. that's wrong. that's actually wrong.

>> they're >> right? but what they're actually asking them, the fundamental rule they're putting forward here. so need to forward here. so you need to involve the parents in this decision. >> of course you do. >> of course you do. >> schools weren't always doing. >> no they weren't. i mean, i have teacher friend who, you have a teacher friend who, you know, scott, said know, actually, scott, who said that happened that that what had happened was that he by the head, by the he was told by the head, by the authorities, got lie authorities, you've got to lie to the parents, so you've got to use different name. when you use a different name. when you write reports, the write school reports, then the name in the classroom, name you use in the classroom, that's a safeguarding issue, name you use in the classroom, that' it? safeguarding issue, name you use in the classroom, that' it? safegithisng issue, name you use in the classroom, that' it? safegithis story.ue, isn't it? yeah. this story though, could in the though, the word could in the headunes though, the word could in the headlines a lot of heavy headlines doing a lot of heavy lifting. not they will lifting. it's not that they will be it's that they could be sued, it's that they could face and that face legal challenges and that what trying the unions face legal challenges and that what is trying the unions face legal challenges and that what is saying the unions face legal challenges and that what is saying we unions face legal challenges and that what is saying we need1s are doing is saying we need better guidance. this guidance is advisory rather than a legal issue. they need legally binding guidance because that's then your defence as to why you've done something. when the parents try and sue, you know what they should do really is just say you can't socially transition a child school, but that child in a school, but that would would still would be that would still possibly. worry possibly. but then the worry about vexatious court, about the vexatious court, claims still be there. claims would still be there. i think saying this would

think they're saying this would be the swifter defence when you try sue a teacher for not try and sue a teacher for not doing what your child says, you can down. you already can shut it down. you already can shut it down. you already can it down as say, can shut it down as you say, there's no legal obligation to call but call the child by their. but there because otherwise call the child by their. but thewouldn't because otherwise call the child by their. but thewouldn't have ause otherwise call the child by their. but the wouldn't have ause speech ise we wouldn't have free speech anymore. we wouldn't have free speech anymoit's a really interesting >> so it's a really interesting part this is missing. part of this story is missing. it's really interesting quote it's a really interesting quote too, department of too, from the department of education says, education spokesman who says, quote, the expert view quote, i saw at the expert view is that treating children is clear that treating children as sex to what as the opposite sex to what their is neutral act. their sex is not a neutral act. as treating it. that's right, and has the potential to have significant psychological effects. that effects. and it's weird that this the department this person from the department of had to put that of education had to put that statement out for teachers to realise, no, no. >> but they thought they >> but they thought that they were just kind and were just being kind and compassionate what compassionate and going, what they're doing is actually endangenng endangering the child by by further embedding this sense of gender , our kids in gender dysphoria, our kids in such control the classroom, such control in the classroom, the just given the teachers have just given over to believable. of over all power to believable. of course, seriously? of course, they seriously? yeah, of course, they seriously? yeah, of course, you course, because because, you know got know catapults they've got catapults . but they're also catapults. but they're also aware that, you know, you know, kids can make any kind of false allegation teachers. and allegation against teachers. and that teacher is suspended immediately. weapon . immediately. it's a real weapon. the teachers union has already

said majority of said that the vast majority of these are false. these accusations are false. >> just >> so the teachers might just think, the game. think, well, i play the game. you why why battle you know, i just why why battle this? i'll just go along with what they do. what they might do. >> then >> they might do. but then there's be teachers. there's going to be teachers. you worry as well is you know, the worry as well is schools not only have been going along transitioning along with social transitioning and telling the parents, and not telling the parents, they've allowing they've also been allowing boys to rooms to go into girls changing rooms and facilities and use girls toilet facilities because no because there has been no guidance from government. guidance from the government. that's risk. that's that's obviously a risk. that's a safeguarding risk. a huge safeguarding risk. there's at there's a case in virginia at the a boy skirt, the moment of a boy in a skirt, went into girl's toilet and went into a girl's toilet and raped girl , went into a girl's toilet and raped girl, and the school raped the girl, and the school tried it up. and the tried to cover it up. and the parents now suing school parents are now suing the school board you don't board for $30 million. you don't want up that can of want to open up that can of worms, you? that's worms, do you? that's that's just disaster. need clear just a disaster. we need clear guidance, i'm saying. guidance, is what i'm saying. anyway, the express now. anyway, onto the express now. >> don't children. >> and you don't have children. >> and you don't have children. >> children. no. >> i don't have children. no. >> i don't have children. no. >> is just royal. we >> so we is just the royal. we >> so we is just the royal. we >> i'm always talking about the royal. we. >> has kids. >> steve has kids. >> steve has kids. >> yeah, has kids. >> yeah, steve has kids. >> yeah, steve has kids. >> because a uni guy. >> so because a uni guy. >> so because a uni guy. >> thanks. let's on >> fine, thanks. let's move on to story. now, where to this next story. now, where are the express. so this are we on the express. so this is about a iconic bbc show. is about a an iconic bbc show. what's iconic cuts what's this iconic bbc show cuts 30 and million from the

30 staff and 7 million from the budget half the viewers budget after half the viewers switch off. it's losing their it's newsnight losing its investigative journalism strand. and check this news and let's just check this news story is four months old. yes the express has gone with this. now all that's happened is we found out victoria derbyshire is going to be hosting it. yes, but they've gone with the four month old proving that we do old headline proving that we do need a better quality of music. you know, because this is four months old, i think we need to just move on. >> and they lost emily mathias. they lost some good people obviously elsewhere. obviously went elsewhere. but that was a while ago when i was seeing this. i thought that it's an strange. an old strange. >> well, look, it's >> yeah. okay, well, look, it's the just one more the finals. just one more section go in tonight's section to go in tonight's headliners, to headliners, and we're going to be about potatoes. be talking about baked potatoes. why

welcome back to headliners, your first look at thursday's newspapers. we're going to kick things off with the guardian. steve going to go all gordon steve is going to go all gordon ramsay. difficult is it to ramsay. how difficult is it to bake a potato? it's more of a. delia smith. yeah. that was that was her drunk at the football ground. yeah. she did a book about how to cook an egg. oh. did she? yes okay. well, god love is a fed up love her, but this is a fed up head hits out at school caterers, letter been sent caterers, a letter has been sent out to the parents out apologising to the parents for completely unacceptable for the completely unacceptable standard of food at southampton secondary canteen. that's what i mean. looked the food looks mean. i've looked the food looks bad. yes, school dinners meant school dinners are always bad. you don't get those weird, veiny

things on the bacon. have you really had a school dinner? well, i think we've got an image of particular potato. of this particular baked potato. i do you know what, i mean, look, do you know what, though? it character though? isn't it character building? know, because we building? you know, because we had school, you had terrible food at school, you know, thought, know, know, and i thought, you know, but i, but maybe that's made me who i, who i today. you've just who i am today. you've just slightly prone to obe. slightly ill and prone to obe. >> yeah. yeah, inflamed. >> yeah. yeah, a bit inflamed. >> yeah. yeah, a bit inflamed. >> you've had 17 pints >> yeah. if you've had 17 pints of lager, that great. of lager, that looks great. well, exactly. so maybe that's what food's like prostitution >> that food's like prostitution in like a hooker, in the daytime. like a hooker, but at night, delicious. >> capurro , you never shut >> scott capurro, you never shut it down, do you? anyway, you're off anyway , get out of off the carbs anyway, get out of here. this wouldn't be. >> the disgusting . >> no, the food's disgusting. and this kids are killing and this is why kids are killing geese they're done. it's geese when they're done. it's why . why. >> seriously, it explains an awful right, let's have >> seriously, it explains an a! look right, let's have >> seriously, it explains an ailook the right, let's have >> seriously, it explains an a! look the rightnow.s have >> seriously, it explains an a! look the rightnow. and,e >> seriously, it explains an ailook the rightnow. and, is a look at the mail now. and, is it to say that peta it offensive to say that peta has jumped the shark a little bit? >> peta is asking people instead of saying cheese because cheese is. i don't know, bad because it's cow made and said, although it's cow made and said, although it isn't now everyone eats that vegan garbage that tastes like plastic on your burger. but anyway, don't say cheese, peta

are peta. oh, i'm sorry, peta are, the animal rights group people for the treatment of animals. >> the people for the ethical treatment of animals. yeah, this animal rights group. and now they're you're when they're saying when you're when you're taken, you're getting your photo taken, don't, say cheese. don't, don't say cheese. >> you say, bees. >> they want you to say, bees. bees. because bees bees. why say bees? because bees are creatures, too. and if you say bees, then people are going to kill them because bees scare people. >> it's offensive to bees, right? >> they want to >> or they want you to say nutritional that nutritional yeast. but that makes a nutritional makes me a nutritional yeast. yeah. yeast, which yeah. nutritional yeast, which makes me a bit they have makes me a bit sick. they have some suggestions. do you some other suggestions. do you want them? yeah. almond want to hear them? yeah. almond milk. almond milk and milk. okay. say almond milk and smile form the right. >> okay. steve, can i just ask this almond milk? i always think peter huge organisation , peter are a huge organisation, right? i always think right? but i always think they're mean, they they're trolling. i mean, they put thing about don't put out this thing about don't assume of a pigeon. assume the gender of a pigeon. they a picture of a pigeon they had a picture of a pigeon with them next to with they them pronouns next to it. are trolling . come on. it. they are trolling. come on. they're having a laugh. they are. >> they want you to say repeated and forced impregnation. right? that's want . and forced impregnation. right? that's want. i'm not. that's what they want. i'm not. i'm reading it and they want you

to say dehorning and tail docking. >> woo! >> woo! >> okay, i think for your photos i think they're trolling or they're clinically insane. the. yeah, for your selfie to get the attention. are they dehorning. now peter. now we're talking about peter. we wouldn't been talking we wouldn't have been talking about they think that about peter, they think that cheese is offensive. i don't know beef sorry. know what their beef is. sorry. i'm hamming it up. i'm just hamming it up. >> oh, steve, you're on a roll. >> what type of roll? a ham roll. >> oh, awful. okay, we have to stop this now, let's move on. you could say jesus is a cheese. you could say jesus is a cheese. you could say that, but then that's probably blasphemous anyway, right? good in the anyway, right? good news in the guardian anyway, right? good news in the guardiaithey have a spotify long as they have a spotify account. yes. playing thriving reef sounds underwater could again, doing a lot of heavy lifting that way. yeah, save damaged corals because the larvae are more likely to settle and then start to grow if they listen to it. i just would like to check what kind of eco damage we're out we're going to do by laying out lots everywhere. lots of speakers everywhere. we're off about we're always told off about plastic in the ocean. now we're dropping woofers and tweeters in, but apparently it creates

the of a busy, thriving the sound of a busy, thriving coral they oh, we'll coral and they think, oh, we'll settle gutted settle here. imagine how gutted they'll you turn the they'll be when you turn the sound it's like when, sound off. yes. it's like when, when estate said, when an estate agent has said, oh, thriving area. and oh, it's a thriving area. and then get mugged. yeah. do then you get mugged. yeah. do they have. >> like moving to milton >> it's like moving to milton keynes, do they have do they have >> but do they have do they have brain are not brain power? are they not anencephaly. this this not anencephaly. this is this not very. you know. but they're very. dare you know. but they're they're they they're coral. they can't. you're speciesist . they're coral. they can't. you're speciesist. i am being you're a speciesist. i am being peter are going to be on the phone to me because i'm being species. but you don't need a brain to, to detect vibrations because you know, they're not plants. they're yes. plants. they're animals. yes. >> to vibration plants. they're animals. yes. >>the to vibration plants. they're animals. yes. >>the water, to vibration plants. they're animals. yes. >>the water, aren't to vibration plants. they're animals. yes. >>the water, aren't they?ration in the water, aren't they? that's find other. that's how they find each other. >> mean, they >> yes, exactly. i mean, they say the. was it. the great say that the. was it. the great barrier world's barrier reef is the world's largest living organism, you know, absolutely know, which is absolutely incredible. a bit rubbish, though. >> w- w— >> i mean, it was well, it was until, you know, cruise until, you know, a couple cruise ships and. >> wait, what do you. >> wait, what what do you. scott, you make this? scott, what do you make of this? because you because surely dropping you know, speakers water. know, speakers into the water. isn't know, speakers into the water. isn'we could start dropping >> we could start dropping garbage in faeces the garbage in human faeces in the water. that would help. that would probably that's would probably help. that's what's the coral. what's killing all the coral. >> you are >> yeah, well, you are a militant environmentalist. let's

move this this is move on now to this one. this is the star and this is another a! story. maybe, maybe a finally a good quality publication. >> star, mexico's most >> the star, mexico's most dangerous drug cartel. using a! to expand . criminal empire. and to expand. criminal empire. and i think. yeah. finally. it's about time. it took forever, according to interpol, the sieging sieging, other sieging sieging, cjng, and other organised are organised crime groups are pulling off, quote, more sophisticated professional sophisticated and professional fraud . and they're fraud campaigns. and they're saying, you know, someone calls you up, tries to sell you insurance on the phone or gets money from you, which that's. and i almost fell for recently, actually, we were actually, yes, because we were rebooking we were rebooking a flight and we were halfway the call. we halfway through the call. we were. and the guy yelled this were. and the guy yelled at this horribly us. horribly homophobic thing at us. at that point, it was so funny. we of days, we laughed for a couple of days, but yes, i, i mean, but yes, yes, i, i mean, look, if a! is going to be as intelligent as they claim, they've little bots speaking intelligent as they claim, th

about it. they're going to end humanity before then. humanity way before then. >> rather call me >> but i'd rather they call me on phone than sell my head on the phone than sell my head to a tortoise. rather to a tortoise. i'd rather they take me than cut take bank money from me than cut my a machete when my arms off with a machete when i'm in mexico. >> dangerous drug cartel is now moving into yeah, that's moving into fraud. yeah, that's better drugs, isn't so, yeah. >> e"- e better, i think. okay. >> have we got time? think the >> have we got time? i think the war we've got the war on drugs. we've got the mail, steve going tell us mail, steve is going to, tell us about one. proof. the about this one. proof. the iceman. hof's hellish method iceman. wim hof's hellish method of baths and of doing, like, cold baths and cold treatments is good for you because reduces inflammation. because it reduces inflammation. this the this story makes me like the sound i'm going sound of inflammation. i'm going to that, but to take a piece of that, but it's for you because it it's good for you because it doesn't study at the university of releases of warwick. it releases adrenaline. yes, told this adrenaline. yes, i'm told this is you. so do other is good for you. so do other things . yeah. why you have to things. yeah. why do you have to get a cold bath? just. get in a cold bath? just. >> really for your >> it's really good for your brain activity, too. >> it you from getting >> it keeps you from getting dementia when they swim in hampstead know, in hampstead heath. you know, in those, you but those, in those, you know, but apparently it's like torture. yeah. it as a yeah. you could use it as a torture thing. >> some people really like it. i mean, i wild in mean, i swim, i wild swim in california, meaning swim in california, meaning i swim in the swim in wild bodies the ocean, swim in wild bodies of it's cold. i of water. it's very cold. i, i wear wetsuit, but it's still wear a wetsuit, but it's still freezing. but i swim with a

woman who's my and she swims woman who's my age and she swims in bikini, and. she loves in a bikini, and. and she loves it. she loves it. >> she swears it. >> she swears by it. >> she swears by it. >> does. and swimmers of my >> she does. and swimmers of my age that do swear age that swim that way do swear by it. they say it's good for dementia and alzheimer's, and they way to they swim all the way to alcatraz back. alcatraz and back. >> you're swimming, make >> when you're swimming, make the coral reef just the sound of a coral reef just to it would give to help. it would help to give back bit. give back to back a little bit. give back to the attacked by the world. i was attacked by a seal, well, on that seal, though. well, on that bombshell, nearly bombshell, the show is nearly oven bombshell, the show is nearly over. another quick over. let's have another quick look at thursday's front pages and is leading and so the daily mail is leading with spending with shapps backs, spending 3% on telegraph on our defence, the telegraph has gove identify muslim has gove to identify muslim groups as extremists. the guardian is leading with abbott accuses tories playing race accuses tories of playing race card as hester row intensifies in the express migrant flight plans to rwanda in a good place. the i has tory reliance on race row, major donor revealed and the daily star. they're building a new titanic. that's all we got time for. thank so much to time for. thank you so much to my steve n and scott my guest steve n allen and scott capurro. we of course, are back tomorrow with headliners with josh hot seat, nick josh howie in the hot seat, nick dixon jonathan kogan. and if dixon and jonathan kogan. and if you're watching the 5 am.

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