new >> good evening. a new definition of extremism is put before us by michael gove today. but i worry. could it be abused to start stamping out free speech and political opinions governments disagree with.7 and we've got a new proposed piece of legislation. yes, it's nigel's law. that's what i'm going to call it, because they're saying they're going to make it much harder for banks to close people down. i'm very, very pleased this massive very pleased with this massive step right direction and step in the right direction and joining me on talking pints fresh from being in the celebrity big brother household. and of course , the uncle of the and of course, the uncle of the future queen of england, gary goldsmith , here for talking goldsmith, here for talking pints. but before all of that, let's get the news with sophia wenzler . wenzler. >> nigel. thank you. i'm sophia wenzler in the gb newsroom. your top story this hour. michael gove has named some of the

groups to be investigated under a new definition of extremism, which he says will mean the government can express more clearly than ever who poses a risk to britain . some of the risk to britain. some of the groups included are alleged to have islamist views , with others have islamist views, with others described as neo—nazi. today's new extremism definition will be used to assess whether some groups should be marginalised or blocked from public funding . but blocked from public funding. but michael gove insists it's not about silencing those with private and peaceful beliefs. >> we have to be clear eyed about the threat we face, precise about where that threat comes from and rigorous in defending our democracy . that defending our democracy. that means upholding freedom of expression, religion and belief. when they are threatened, facing down harassment and hate support the communities facing the greatest challenge from extremist activity and ensuring this house and this country are safe, free and united and. >> and some breaking news in the last half hour. great yarmouth mp brandon lewis has announced he is standing down as a candidate at the next general

election . in a statement posted election. in a statement posted on x, the former northern ireland secretary said it is not a decision taken easily as it has been the greatest honour of my life to represent the people of great yarmouth in parliament. in other news, russia has been accused of disrupting the gps signal on the defence secretary's plane en route to poland. the incident occurred as the raf jet flew close to the edge of kaliningrad. gps navigation and internet access was lost for around 30 minutes dunng was lost for around 30 minutes during the flight, but the pilots have confirmed the aircraft was never at risk. the incident happened as grant shapps visited british troops participating in nato exercises in poland . scotland's former in poland. scotland's former health secretary has been found to have breached the code of conduct after racking up £11,000 bills on his parliamentary ipad. michael matheson quit his role in the wake of the scandal over his data roaming charges, which happened during a holiday in morocco . he later said that his

morocco. he later said that his teenage sons used the device to watch football, and mps are getting a pay rise with an inflation busting 5.5% boost pushing salaries to around £91,000. it means pay will increase by more than £4,700 next year, or almost £400 extra each month. the westminster watchdog says it's in line with an award for senior civil servants, but it's above inflation, which is just 4. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. >> good evening . well michael >> good evening. well michael gove today laying out a new definition of what is extremism.

let's hear what he had to say in the house of commons earlier on today. >> the proposed definition will hold that extremism is the promotion or advancement of an ideology based on violence, hatred intolerance that aims hatred or intolerance that aims to negate or destroy the fundamental, fundamental rights and of others or and freedoms of others or undermine, overturn or replace the uk system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights, or intentionally create a permissive environment for others to achieve these results . others to achieve these results. >> well, i understand, you know, that organisations , whether that organisations, whether they're extreme right or islamist, that are receiving government money, shouldn't receive government money if they're spreading hatred and extremism . that's part, extremism. that's the one part, perhaps, this new definition . perhaps, of this new definition. but i agree with but my concern is could this be open to abuse and what i think about it, you know , if you attempt to know, if you attempt to undermine, overturn or replace the uk system of liberal parliamentary democracy, well, you be branded an you could be branded an extremist , right.7 and whilst extremist, right.7 and whilst that wouldn't make you a criminal, because this will not go that the police are go into law that the police are going to enforce, it would take

you of public well, you out of public life. well, i was elected 25 years ago to the european parliament on a ticket that said we should leave the european union. my first day there, stephen he was there, sir stephen wall, he was there, sir stephen wall, he was the representative for the foreign office in the european union , came to my office, sat union, came to my office, sat with the three of us from ukip that had been elected, and said, gentlemen, what are your intentions? it was clear he thought we were an extremist terrorist group. and that's the worry of this , even if worry with all of this, even if you create a permissive environment for others to achieve the result of undermining democracy or fundamental rights, that could mean that you perhaps couldn't debate many issues on gb news if some took those arguments and went too far with them. so my concern with all of this is that i think it has the potential to be abused by governments that want to shut down debate on issues that they don't like. i think it is. we were told the new definition would be less woolly, and yet , from what i can

woolly, and yet, from what i can see, it's completely and utterly open ended. i'm sure that everybody on all sides of the political debate will argue that they're being victimised. but i think this is open genuinely to a shutting down of free speech, maybe not by this government, but who knows what may come in the course of the following years. so tell me what you think is it open to abuse? i'd love to get your views, please. farage at gb news. com now, one member of parliament who was subjected to extremism intolerable behaviour was of course tobias ellwood, the conservative member of parliament for bournemouth east, with a mob of, i think nearly 100 people for several hours turned up outside his house, shouting and chanting pretty hate filled messages. tobias, welcome back on the programme. two things really. one, i'd like to know what you think of this definition and whether you share my reservations about how it might

be used in the future . and be used in the future. and secondly, i don't think this definition actually helps mps like you and would stop people gathering outside your house. >> well, firstly, good evening and interesting you speaking about the european union and reflecting back on that going down memory lane. you and i agree on many things and we both know that you and i disagree on many things , but we do it in a many things, but we do it in a way that allows us to disagree in a form that's, allows debate to continue. i don't hate you for what you believe in. you don't hate me. we're the art of disagreeing remains strong between us. and that's so important. but that's not the case in what we've seen over the last 3 or 4 months. and that's why there's this question that's being raised. bigger question , being raised. bigger question, fundamental question about who we are, what we stand for, what it means to be british and to live here, what binds us together, and how do we defend our open and tolerant way of life , our liberal parliamentary life, our liberal parliamentary democracy, as michael was democracy, as michael gove was

just speaking about? and since those deadly attacks by hamas on the 7th of october, you know, tensions between communities within communities have been rising here. we've seen rise in anti—muslim and anti—semitism, hatred, even the business of parliament has been affected. and as you just touched on, mps have been targeted as well. it's led to that big speech by the prime minister outside downing street on the 1st of march, where he wanted to address the spread of hate and division. and, of course, michael gove's speech today. so this has a security implication. that's what it's about, because it's through these extremist groups that freedom of expression is being suppressed . actually being suppressed. actually hatred is promoted. and in the worst cases , the worst cases, worst cases, the worst cases, youngsters with a scant under standing of the quran are recruited, radicalised, often online, to carry out deadly terrorist attacks. here in the uk . so i would not want to see uk. so i would not want to see people like yourselves ever gaggedin people like yourselves ever gagged in any sense. but i hope

you would agree. there's also responsible use of freedom of speech. that's something that we need to recognise. tomas i absolutely agree with that. >> but the question is , does >> but the question is, does what is stated here? does it do the job? >> i think this is a evolving conversation and the fact that we're talking about it, nobody is on this list yet, as has been put forward by michael gove. very interesting to see labour's response as well today. they didn't, condemn it in any way. they largely agreed with it. i think this is an evolving conversation. we've gone through this very, very difficult period and we have big questions to answer. i never thought that we would see legislation required to protect memorials because to protect war memorials because nobody had ever challenged them before. we're now starting to do that because those behaviours, norms are being tested in all court forms of our of our society . and so important then, society. and so important then, therefore, we debate these things properly and as a nation decide what is right and what is wrong . wrong. >> okay, tobias, thank you very

much indeed. an evolving conversation is the view of tobias ellwood. i'm joined in the studio by abdullah al andalusi , the co—founder of the andalusi, the co—founder of the muslim debate initiative. welcome to the program. and toby young, the general secretary of the free speech union. abdullah, there are some that say that this definition that michael gove put out today is aimed at muslim groups. do you believe that to be the case or not? >> i think it was spurred on by the pro—palestine protests that demanded a ceasefire against the massacre and plausibly a genocide against the gaza , genocide against the gaza, according to the international court of justice. >> many would disagree with that. >> let's let the icj review it. they'll review it better than you. but the issue is this that everyone seems to have a short memory. people don't remember the and the the countryside alliance and the anti hunting anti the fox hunting demonstrations riot in demonstrations that ran riot in parliament square. they actually burst into parliament at one point, simon hart organised pubuc point, simon hart organised public harassment campaigns of

the mps. and guess what? his position now, he's now chief whip under rishi sunak. position now, he's now chief whip under rishi sunak . so the whip under rishi sunak. so the conservative party has no problem with rallying the mob and using mob potential harassment of mps as all part of democracy. but when it comes to movements that abdullah hang on, i was they're not true. yeah i was there. >> sure on the countryside march no doubt you can be as rude as you like. that's fine , i was you like. that's fine, i was there, i was there on the countryside. march 406,000 of us marched through london. there wasn't a single arrest. there wasn't a single arrest. there was no disorder. there wasn't even a piece of litter left behind. and the difference here, and yes, i was involved in this . and yes, i was involved in this. not that i hunt, but i believe in people having the freedom to do within reason what they want. the difference is the lobbying of those members of parliament wasn't intimidatory . what wasn't intimidatory. what happenedin wasn't intimidatory. what happened in parliament square the day that the snp resolution was due to be debated is mps were frightened to leave the

building, so you're denying that there was no riot in parliament square due to the foxhunting protest that i was, i'm telling people burst into parliament, i was on the cusp and there was actually it's literally called pubuc actually it's literally called public harassment campaigns against mps. i wasn't there on that day. i was there on the big march. the point is, we're march. but the point is, we're not talking when you were there. >> we're talking about the historical record. you can check out riot happened. out the riot happened. >> any group bursts and >> if any group bursts in and behaves badly threatens or behaves badly and threatens or intimidates, should be, of intimidates, it should be, of course, know law should course, you know the law should be enforced. but my question to you, really happens. you, it really happens. my question you think question to you is, do you think this extremism is this definition of extremism is helpful or not? >> it's if you ban something >> no, it's if you ban something which is to do with people's beliefs that is about beliefs that is not about inciting violence . it's then inciting violence. it's then this is thought policing. and in the modern world, i often say that the terms extremism, which is unhelpful to some at least the americans had the wherewithal to say countering violent just violent extremism, not just extremism, terms extremism, but using the terms extremism, but using the terms extremism today is like a is the modern secular version of,

denouncing heresy and heretics. >> it's no, no, i get the point. it is dangerous and it depends how it's used. and i agree with you on that point. toby young, free speech union, i'm really worried about this. i mean, i and i do actually take abdullah's point that people are perfectly entitled to their opinions. they're perfectly entitled to their elected entitled to let their elected representatives know those opinions. it's a question of whether it's with whether it's done with intimidation. it? whether it's done with inti yes. ilioi'i. it? whether it's done with inti yes. and it? whether it's done with inti yes. and clearly? whether it's done with inti yes. and clearly this >> yes. and clearly this definition of extremism, it doesn't just encompass people who we currently think of, i think as extremists and who might be captured by the criminal law. it's a below the criminal law. it's a below the criminal law. it's a below the criminal law threshold. so it falls into the legal but harmful grey area, which is something as a free speech lobbyist , i'm a free speech lobbyist, i'm obviously suspicious of. i mean, i think the starting point and i think i disagree with abdullah here, is that we do have a problem with islamic extremism in this country. problem with islamic extremism in this country . we see it in in this country. we see it in our city centres every saturday.

i'm not saying everyone on the pro—palestinian marches right on that point . that point. >> do we have a problem? >> do we have a problem? >> how is demonstrating to stop the massacre of civilians in gaza anything to do with extremism ? extremism? >> well, i think, i think i think well, go on, go on. the answer is not everyone on those protests could conceivably be designated extremists, but designated as extremists, but there extremists on there are some extremists on those protests . those protests. >> but the vast, vast majority of those are not extremists on the back of their jackets. >> that may well be true carrying jihadi flags. but if there are people that genuinely are and are are extremists and are and are and are inciting bad, bad behaviour, we need to know behaviour, then we need to know about it. >> w- e police will about it. >> police will arrest >> then the police will arrest them. already existing them. there's already existing legislation that will that will stop cenotaphs, that stop defacing of cenotaphs, that will stop people from inciting violence, inciting that violence, inciting racism, that already exists. and we don't need any extremism. >> well, in some ways, maybe, maybe that point is right. do we need this definition ? need this definition? >> well, my mike, i've got i've got a sort of broad concern and then a precise concern. my broad concern i'm not sure that concern is i'm not sure that there is a robust evidence based

to suggest that you define to suggest that if you define certain groups as extremists and you prevent them from participating in public life, which is essentially the strategy here, that that will actually counter extremism, it hasn't worked very effectively before, in some cases , people before, in some cases, people can claim, look, i'm on a banned list, i'm an extremist, according to the tory government, that could actually enhance their appeal and make them more attractive, not less attractive to vulnerable young men in danger of radicalisation. so my broad concern. so that's my broad concern. i'm not sure works as not sure this works as a strategy for countering extremism. my more precise concern, and this is probably where we abdullah is that where we agree abdullah is that the definition? i mean, the government come with a government can't come up with a definition just captures definition that just captures islamic nobody islamic extremists, but nobody else that could be too easily challenged. and the government clearly thinks it's not just a problem with islamic extremists. there far right there are some far right extremists worried extremists we should be worried about, they point to nick about, too. they point to nick griffin's of george griffin's endorsement of george galloway, but the problem galloway, etc. but the problem is, try and come up is, when they try and come up with a broader, more universal

definition of extremism, it then the going the risk is it's going to capture that of us capture groups that none of us would to see from would want to see banned from participation. i participation. no, i agree, i think should be gender critical. >> feminists worry the worry with this as to which groups are going to be deemed to be extremists, or perhaps which individuals would be deemed its civil will make civil servants that will make the decision and that worries me as well. the decision and that worries me as 'final thought i think there's >> final thought i think there's one organisation should be one organisation that should be deemed extreme. they want deemed to be extreme. they want to people's to clamp down upon people's right and the right to demonstrate. and the whole demonstration is whole point of demonstration is to kind democratic to give some kind of democratic pressure to politicians. that's the point of the whole point of demonstrations. what's the the whole point of demo of :rations. what's the the whole point of demo of :rations it what's the the whole point of demo of :rations it wants vhat's the the whole point of demo of:rationsit wants vhrclamp point of them, it wants to clamp down. discriminate down. it wants to discriminate on organisations, individuals, based which based on their beliefs, which goes the human rights goes against the human rights act one, which is what act schedule one, which is what the extremist is the extremist definition is based upon , apparently. this based upon, apparently. and this organisation is the british government. faux pas their government. they faux pas their own definition. >> i think that may be stretching a bit. stretching it a bit. >> i think, but again , can >> and i think, but again, can be made for that. >> but i tell you what i mean. i could be in real trouble because there's an organisation out there's an organisation out there not hate, and there called hope not hate, and they've produced state they've just produced this state of report. and

of hate 2024 report. and interestingly, they are indirectly funded significantly by government money. and their report this year , i mentioned 56 report this year, i mentioned 56 times more than any other individual gb news is mentioned page after page. and that's the other problem, isn't it? you know that actually if you're not careful, you start to use the cover of and the use of this word hate as a means of saying that, frankly, anyone you disagree with should should simply be shut down. there are great risks to this. i think this is open to abuse. i'd rather sense that differing sides of this debate actually agree on some points. we have laws in place in this country. you know, the police's job is to enforce them. many feel they've not been doing their job very, very well. i don't think this is helpful in any way at all, mr gove, and i think it's open to abuse. get your views after the break. in a minute. abuse. get your views after the break. in a minute . well it's break. in a minute. well it's extraordinary holly candy. well holly valance perhaps as you know her you know very very famous years ago singer model

famous 20 years ago singer model all round star and of course appearing on the most famous australian soap ever. she's been quiet for ten years. not done any big sit down interviews for ten years. today she sat down with gb news chris hope and it is, i promise you, really, really interesting.

well, some of your reactions to this new definition of extremism. kevin says what does this mean for patriotic brits who love their country? but have seen it go down the toilet? well, i think probably not very much unless it is abused . and much unless it is abused. and that's my really big worry. you start to widen the definition . start to widen the definition. as rob says, it doesn't matter what definitions they come up with regarding extremism, what they need to do is ensure that they need to do is ensure that the police enforce the laws as

they stand now and do it consistently. rob. that's exactly the point i was making. we have laws that for some reason, the police appear to have been disregarding in recent times. steve says i am a middle aged white christian man who can trace my english ancestry back hundreds years . i'm happy for hundreds of years. i'm happy for migrants from anywhere and with any settle here, but any religion to settle here, but i want them to integrate into my society and not expect me to adapt and integrate into theirs. am i an extremist? well, steve, i tell you what. in a few years time , under this definition of time, under this definition of michael gove's, you very may well be one. and finally, barry says, very concerned about this. who decides the civil service? barry and i think we know their views on many things would not certainly be the same as mine or indeed many people in this country . now, christopher hope, country. now, christopher hope, our political editor. what a day it's been in westminster. unbelievable a friend of mine reported from number 10. it was

like a morgue in there that sunak would call an election on may the 2nd. just to just to get it over with, to end the play. it's all below the waterline . it's all below the waterline. >> so it's not out there in speeches, and it's what we're heanng speeches, and it's what we're hearing from. was sitting hearing from. i was sitting having bowl of soup having my bowl of soup for lunch. and this respected lunch. and it's this respected tory came up to me and told tory mp came up to me and told me the pm is going to call me why the pm is going to call an election wednesday or thursday this thursday next week. this election was about it. election was all about it. there's groups in number 10, election was all about it. tispring groups in number 10, election was all about it. tispring grcand in number 10, election was all about it. tispring grc and an number 10, election was all about it. tispring grcand an autumn10, a spring group and an autumn group. is after group. go. spring is after monday they should get monday when they should get maybe get rwanda bill maybe get the rwanda bill through of lords, through the house of lords, through the house of lords, through pong . go early through ping pong. go early before small go before the small boat thing go wrong. the group say wait wrong. the autumn group say wait until autumn. wait until until the autumn. wait until economy have a tax economy comes back. have a tax cutting or some sort in cutting budget or some sort in september. more sense and september. makes more sense and then? then do know as then? and then then i do know as a a fact for you, nigel, a fact a fact for you, nigel, that mps were told that all labour mps were told to give election addresses give in their election addresses to two days ago. so to be printed two days ago. so they've all given out. why vote for this may, you know. so for me this may, you know. so yeah, surely this weekend was going to be the weekend to decide. until today , on the on a decide. until today, on the on a visit to the west country, the

pm sunak has told reporters pm mr sunak has told reporters this. out the words this. i'll read out the words are important . in several weeks, are important. in several weeks, on may the 2nd, we have elections on local issues , elections on on local issues, police and crime, commissioners, mayors, won't general mayors, there won't be a general election on day. election on that day. >> there won't a general >> there won't be a general election on that day. explicit, clear, but not may the 9th or may the 16th. well, yeah, but we've got local elections on may the 2nd. we've got the london mayoral elections on may the 2nd.soif mayoral elections on may the 2nd. so if it was going to happen, it would happen on that day. >> you'd have thought so. but they can they can do the following the following, june. june. be more june. there'll be no more stories weekend, about stories by the weekend, about june. other dates in the summer. but may. made clear this but they may. he made clear this morning, early this morning that he's working. assumption is second been a of >> well, it's been a day of fevered fever. >> was fevered. >> it was fevered. >> it was fevered. >> absolutely right. right. >> no. absolutely right. right. so holly valance, she's so holly valance, as she's better married name. better known a married name. holly candy, obviously. yes. first big interview for first big sitdown interview for about years. about ten years. >> right. we're launching >> that's right. we're launching gb news, a new podcast called choppers , in choppers political podcast, in which sitting down in pub. which i'm sitting down in a pub. i've done before with you on

i've done it before with you on a different podcast, just talk about in a pub about politics in a pub situation, which is a different way you can talk to people. holly a great believer in holly i'm a great believer in that. you love pubs? that. don't you love pubs? aren't i've been to too aren't man. i've been to too many with holly valance, many with you. holly valance, though known as being though she's best known as being in as flick. then in neighbours as flick. and then she songs as a as a pop she sang songs as a as a pop star, called kiss kiss and then in taken, the liam neeson film she in taken then she's she was in taken then she's since 2012. she's got married. nick candy, known , nick candy, a well known, millionaire property developer, and bit quiet for ten and has gone a bit quiet for ten years until she's come out at this popcorn event and she came out saying she wanted to be liked you a bit. she thought lions wouldn't be would be great. and jeremy jacob rees—mogg could be prime minister interviewed minister so i interviewed her for podcast talked for my podcast and we talked about of things. the first about a lot of things. the first one, amongst many things you'll hear at 6 am. hear tomorrow morning at 6 am. on wherever you find your podcast. spoke about your old podcast. we spoke about your old mate trump. mate donald trump. >> well, course, i introduced >> well, of course, i introduced to donald trump. yes. and to her donald trump. yes. and i took to mar a lago. maybe took her to mar a lago. maybe we can photograph our can see the photograph up on our screens , and there it is. screens, and there it is. there's the donald in the

middle. nick candy on the left. there's me and there's holly. so i introduce her to donald i did introduce her to donald trump, it left quite trump, and i think it left quite an impression, didn't it? >> fault, nigel. >> it's all your fault, nigel. >> it's all your fault, nigel. >> lot of things are. >> well, a lot of things are. >> well, a lot of things are. >> she's now. she's. she's definitely right of centre. you don't many celebrities, don't hear many celebrities, pop stars, don't hear many celebrities, pop starthey're talking about issues say they're talking about issues of right and she's she's of the right and she's she's been pretty clear. she is a right winger and she's frustrated by some things in this country. but before we get to that, i did ask her about her views on donald trump when she met her at that point. here's what she had to say briefly. >> you met donald trump. >> you met donald trump. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> what was he? there was a photograph online of you meeting him. i think. him. you and nick met, i think. what's it like? >> unreal. he's fabulous. so we were miami, and, nick had were all in miami, and, nick had said to nigel at some point, listen, if you go to mar—a—lago count us we want to meet the count us in. we want to meet the big guy. so, nigel was going big guy. and so, nigel was going and went together and he and we all went together and he was he gave an was incredible. he gave us an hour of time in the office. hour of his time in the office. i couldn't believe how much time. interest he gave us. time. and, interest he gave us. he wanted to know all about

where we were from , what we do where we were from, what we do all about nick's businesses. i just it was not what i was expecting. i thought maybe somebody more brash, a bit somebody a bit more brash, a bit more loud. he was more cocky and loud. and he was extremely warm, extremely gentlemanly and very interested in everything that was going on in everything that was going on in the uk , asking us all about in the uk, asking us all about politics. it was great to have nigel there. him and nigel are fantastic friends. i think that's really important for us as well going forward into the next election in america that we have these friendships and nigel farage, ukip asked her to america. i think he'd be a fantastic ambassador. it'd be great. >> yeah, well, trump was well, he wasn't the ogre who was painted by his critics. i mean, also, he has said some pretty dreadful remarks about women to that put you off or did you raise it with him? >> harden up. say nasty >> harden up. people say nasty things all day. i've had disgusting said me. disgusting things said to me. absolutely disgusting things said to me. abscwould if i said that would floor you if i said them out loud on his microphone right now, where you have to call police, did i cry? no

>> so toughen up. >> so toughen up. >> well, as my friend, my friend put it to me the other day, if you were hiring an attorney, do you were hiring an attorney, do you want the nice guy that smiles nicely , is polite to smiles nicely, is polite to everyone? or do you want the pitbull? and ultimately the attorney is him. he's your attorney. you want the guy that's going to go and fight for you, for america, you mean? yeah. >> verbal stage and yeah. >> verbal stage and yeah. >> because you don't >> so just because you don't like someone's disposition all the actually don't the time and i actually don't mind just as i like straight mind it, just as i like straight shooters who talk, i don't shooters who don't talk, i don't have a problem it . have a problem with it. >> they have harden up. she says to women who don't like trump because he's you know, you can argue for trump's record when he's when he's president. but, you he kept the world a you know, he kept the world a bit safer than biden's managed to do. yeah. >> no. absolutely. and she also you asked her some you also asked her about some personal issues, know, to do personal issues, you know, to do with london. with law and order in london. >> order. yeah. i was >> law and order. yeah. i was asked views on that asked about her views on that and she disclosed she would say how feels bit more how london feels a bit more lawless, currently. and she's

talked being mugged in talked about being mugged in chelsea. what chelsea. here's what here's what she say, it was of she had to say, it was out of control. of us have been control. all of us have been robbed on kings road in our area. yeah, whatever . when you area. yeah, whatever. when you robbed, i just had phone robbed, i just had my phone taken of the pram like she taken out of the pram like she was stealing stealing off was stealing off. stealing off a mum her baby in the pram. mum with her baby in the pram. it's stuff. no it's pretty low stuff. no i wasn't hurt, fortunately, but, yeah, i've had friends get belted for their phones and watches and home raids and trying to kick in doors, and it's , it's in chelsea. yeah. it's, it's in chelsea. yeah. particularly in chelsea because they know people are walking around with probably a nice watch on. >> yeah. and the police are helpful. >> they rob me. they're in for a nasty surprise. i'm usually in a swatch down the street. no offence to swatch. >> none, and one of the police who were very helpful, they, they don't really turn up. you can call them, but i don't ever see a bobby. it's like kids point and stare now and you see a policeman on the street. look, mum , a real live police person. mum, a real live police person.

person so pc policeman person, policeman, police person. give me a break. policeman. officer. yeah >> yes. well, they are the government. the government, uk government. the government, uk government is investing more in police in england and wales. maybe so. they're meant to be more around to reassure. >> would be nice to. i think >> it would be nice to. i think it's a deterrent at the very least. and also don't least. and i also don't understand this and understand how in this day and age, cheap technology, age, with such cheap technology, for instance, with cctv, so anyone stick ring camera anyone can stick a ring camera anywhere why , for anywhere for £150, why, for instance, our high street doesn't have any cctv cameras. now, i'm not a big person that wants a lot of cameras around, but on a high street where everyone's being robbed blind , everyone's being robbed blind, it might be a nice idea. and it doesn't cost much. so then why? why don't we have that? yes >> well, it all looks fascinating. big podcast. how long is the podcast? >> about? about 40 minutes. fine. tune in from 6:00 tomorrow. where do we get it? okay. i, spotify, apple podcast,

wherever you find your podcast, is there . subscribe, sign up, is there. subscribe, sign up, tell your mates, even your mates. nigel, it's not very complicated. listen. tune in. choppers, choppers, political podcast. >> choppers. political podcast. very very good. now, in response to what holly said, a met police spokesman said we continue to dedicate resources to dedicate our resources to tackling crime tackling robbery, knife crime and weapons off our and taking weapons off our streets westminster and streets in westminster and kensington chelsea. officers streets in westminster and kenregularly chelsea. officers streets in westminster and ken regularly deployed a. officers streets in westminster and ken regularly deployed into ficers are regularly deployed into known hotspot locations using innovative and innovative tactics and conducting high visibility patrols to keep the community safe . so that's all right. then safe. so that's all right. then in a moment, a change to the banking laws is coming. could they call it nigel's law? no, i don't think they'll ever be that generous

it's clear. it will be trump v biden unless something changes. mark brnovich, former attorney general of arizona and friend of this program, joins me . this program, joins me. >> it's a rematch now between

you and i know , but i'm it you and i know, but i'm it i mean, he's biden really going to make it through to november the 5th. well you recall last year when i was on your show, i said that i predicted that joe biden will not be the nominee . but will not be the nominee. but look at it. i still stand by that. obviously, the democrat and in and identity politics in america, problem america, they have a problem because gavin because someone like gavin newsom probably a newsom would probably be a much better candidate governor of better candidate for governor of california. of california. the governor of california. the governor of california. kamala california. but they have kamala harris, a worse harris, who may be a worse candidate than president joe biden. because the biden. and because of the identity politics, the left in america, have good america, they can't have a good looking white male being the standard bearer for the democratic party. >> well, i guess, you know, we're going to get to the democrat convention. that'll be in if biden gets in august. and if biden gets through he's well through that, provided he's well enough, the candidate. i enough, he is the candidate. i find it totally and utterly extraordinary. and who extraordinary. yeah. and who knows make it? knows if they'll make it? >> i mean, could change him >> i mean, they could change him at convention, but i mean, at the convention, but i mean, watching the american state of the know, earlier watching the american state of the week, know, earlier watching the american state of the week, i know, earlier watching the american state of the week, i thought, earlier watching the american state of the week, i thought to arlier watching the american state of the week, i thought to myself this week, i thought to myself that it reminded we have helm that it reminded me we have helm races, races coming up, the races, the races coming up, the gold cup. it's like, you gold cup. and it's like, you

know, shoot horses know, they they shoot the horses up they dope them so they up with, they dope them so they get them to run faster. the problem is that they, they fall over day. so over the very next day. and so there's many you there's only so many times you can do that. >> no racehorse trainers sue us, please. yes, mark, trump's legal challenge slightly challenge is it's slightly bewildering side bewildering to us on this side of the some charges in of the pond. some charges in georgia potentially dropped. trump back, have his trump fighting back, have his problems a little bit problems eased a little bit since came since you last came in? >> yes and no. now, without a doubt, some of the charges, some of the have been of the counts have been dismissed in georgia. but the reality one reality is the most serious one involving racketeering laws involving the racketeering laws is ongoing. so he's still is still ongoing. so he's still facing that. he's still facing criminal charges in new york just today. as we're sitting here, there's arguments going on in a florida court about whether any florida charges any of the florida charges should dismissed. so it to should be dismissed. so it to me, it's unfortunate. i was a prosecutor, federal prosecutor, state what are state prosecutor. what we are seeing is unprecedented in the united states. you're seeing a weaponization of the criminal justice system. it's something that happens in third that normally happens in third world countries, but i guess, you as we've had a record you know, as we've had a record amount of coming in from

amount of people coming in from third world countries in the united states it shouldn't united states now, it shouldn't be surprise that we are now be any surprise that we are now developing third developing a third world criminal justice system. developing a third world crirthat'sttice system. developing a third world crirthat's atice system. developing a third world crirthat's a veryystem. developing a third world crirthat's a very sad m. developing a third world crirthat's a very sad thing to >> that's a very sad thing to say, but something fascinating is the is going on within the demographics is going on within the demog|haves is going on within the demog|have a look these states. have a look at these graphs up on the screen, because they are really, really interesting . for so many interesting. for so many decades, it's taken as decades, it's been taken as a given that, you know, the black and hispanic vote would go to ward's democrats. and indeed, if you look at those blue on the left hand side, that tells you that an exit poll in the 2020 election said that 87% of black voters voted for biden, only 12 for trump, 65% of hispanic voters voted biden. now look across on the other side and you'll see some remarkable changes. trump now leading, leading quite clearly over biden on hispanic voters. and whilst there is still a gap on the black voters, it's changing. trump is mark. trump is picking up hispanic voters. i remember it was said at the time of the romney election in 2012, republicans could never win

again because of the growth of the hispanic population. and yet the hispanic population. and yet the of white voters who the number of white voters who are going to vote trump and republican has declined slightly. what's going on? >> i think it fundamentally comes down to immigration. and the reality is there are people that like, i'm a first generation american people that went process of went through the process of legally immigrating to this country. seeing country. they are seeing a record amount illegal record amount of illegal immigration in the united states, people aren't being states, people that aren't being vetted, the terror vetted, people on the terror watch record watch list, slipping in a record amount record amount of fentanyl, a record amount of fentanyl, a record amount coming in. so amount of drugs coming in. so immigration is the number one issue now the united states. issue now in the united states. and fundamentally, issue now in the united states. and that|damentally, issue now in the united states. and that it's1entally, issue now in the united states. and that it's unfair.y, joe know that it's unfair that joe biden has incentivised and decriminalised people breaking the law. and i think that people are really frustrated because, i mean, just last year, i mean, you had 100,000 fentanyl related deaths in the united states. it's horrific. and it's and so i think when i go out and i talk to people, it seems like why does joe biden care more about the ukrainian border? and we're spending billions dollars to spending billions of dollars to try secure the ukrainian try to secure the ukrainian border versus securing the

border versus not securing the united states border when everyday americans are dying? >> be couldn't it, >> it could also be couldn't it, that a lot of the hispanic population are still christian, are going have a are still church going have a belief in the family and look at identity politics? look at identity politics? s look at what's taught in some what's being taught in some american in democrat american schools in democrat states and just don't it. states and just don't like it. >> yeah, and >> yeah, well, and fundamentally, people fundamentally, you have people fleeing third world fleeing socialist third world countries, know, corrupt countries, you know, corrupt governments in places like venezuela, in central america. so if they voted or their feet are, they're leaving those countries. what makes you think they want more socialism and centralised control in the united states of america? >> mark is clear as >> mark brnovich is clear as even >> mark brnovich is clear as ever. you very much ever. thank you very much indeed. well, the what the farage is. yes. the farage moment is. yes. the government said they'll government have said they'll introduce year introduce legislation this year to make sure that banks cannot close your account without giving you 90 days notice that extends the period, and that they have to give you good reason for doing so. well, i, of course, am delighted about this, the ministry themselves, of course , are far too churlish to

course, are far too churlish to say they'll call it nigel's law . say they'll call it nigel's law. they say the broader issue of de—banking predated the farage incident. yes, but what what had you done about it? absolutely nothing. what were you going to do about it? absolutely nothing. let's hope this does protects a few more people. i still have concerns that money laundering laws could be used, regs could be used as a cover, but at least as a statement of intent, it's a good thing. now, in a moment he's been in the news. yes, he's beenin he's been in the news. yes, he's been in the celebrity big brother house and of course he is the uncle to the future queen of england. who better to have on talking pints than uncle gary goldsmith

? well, you all know it's my favourite part of the week. it's talking pint. and i got gary goldsmith joining me. gary. >> hello, sir. love to see you.

>> not the first, not the first drink. we've had together. no, but we'll keep that quiet for the hello, sir. >> hello, sir. >> hello, sir. >> gary, let's have a look at you.the >> gary, let's have a look at you. the big promo clip for celebrity big brother. >> gary goldsmith, the uncle to the future queen of our country, catherine middleton, the current princess of wales. she is simply perfect . first time i met perfect. first time i met william, catherine was cooking and william said, hi. do you want a cup of tea? very normal . want a cup of tea? very normal. i often read that people think i'm a bit of a bad boy. it'd be lovely to put the record straight, but winding people up is probably my favourite hobby. every part of me is just riddled with mischief and danger. i'm an absolute nightmare to live with. there's a reason why i've had four wives. >> only four wives. gary. i thought it was more than that. >> four wives, one daughter. i think i've got that the wrong way round, haven't i? i'm not sure which way round it would have been more expensive these days, but yes, it's the funny thing because niece,

thing is, because of your niece, you're somebody you know , you're somebody that you know, has been written about. >> you're somebody that's had sunday newspaper stings, you're somebody that's been painted out to be the black sheep, the wild lad , etc. and yet you didn't lad, etc. and yet you didn't choose this life of fame and celebrity. it sort of fell upon you, didn't it? it's >> i think catherine is amazing for our country. and what she's doing, i think is a brilliant, brilliant job. and if i happen to be the fall guy for it, it's something i'm willing to take on. i think it's, yeah. no, i remember when we first got the, the note that catherine was seeing. william. yeah my, my, one of my best friends called me the count of slough because he reckons that saying one letter out. so? so i'll apologise, but. yeah. sorry, but. but i'll deal with that and whatever happens. yeah. i'm trying i'm trying to do my best in life, but occasionally things get magnified or distorted and. well, that's the media. >> yes . i

well, that's the media. >> yes. i mean, and if you give them a name, you know, you know, i've been through it, but you decided to go on celebrity big brother. that wasn't avoiding media, that was saying we i'm up for it. >> i'm trying change >> i'm trying to change perceptions. all perceptions. and it was all about my daughter in truth. so my didn't really tell my daughter didn't really tell any at university any of her friends at university who she was related to until right at the end when she was graduating. and i thought, well, that was a bit sad that she felt that was a bit sad that she felt that way. she didn't want to be tarnished or or labelled and i thought, well, if, if also when you get to that sort of 60 mark and i'm very close to it now, why say no to anything? so i'm going to say yes to pretty much anything that comes. that's a good philosophy. >> well, i did same. i'm >> well, i did the same. i'm a bit older than you. i'm 60. i'm nearer 60 than you are just. and i did i'm a celebrity get me out of here last november. >> i know because i interviewed for it, you know, i got for it, you know, and i got through to the last day. you got the gig. through to the last day. you got the why do they rid of you, >> why do they get rid of you, gary. oh, what an bebe. yeah.

>> you were you were the >> i mean, you were you were the centre of the news. attention. >> yeah. no, 35 million hits, 61% headlines. but who's 61% of headlines. but who's counting? it all counting? but when it all happened, they changed the format wanted format because they wanted sharon there, so they thought it'd ratings. so it'd be great for ratings. so they a format . and to be they created a format. and to be fair, i. i'm not a celebrity . fair, i. i'm not a celebrity. i'm related to one. i was afforded the opportunity to be there. and i think it looks very uncomfortable for me the first two days when i've looked back. but that wasn't really necessarily the truth. it was just, you know, everything's down edit. down to an edit. >> oh, i know of course, of course, you know. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> but did you enjoy it, though? >> but did you enjoy it, though? >> oh, it was the best thing i've ever done, really. i had this little sneaky peek of what it's like to a celebrity it's like to be a celebrity without having the fallout or the attention, i they were hoping that i would win that vote. yeah, massively. because what happens happens because there was there was loads of things going on. so but as most of my friends said, it's , first of my friends said, it's, first our, our last out. that was that that was. yeah probably the gig

with me. >> somehow you know, and >> gary. somehow you know, and you didn't come with any great privileges of birth or anything like that, but you seem to have made money pretty quickly in your life and made a reasonable sum quite a lot of money, many would say. what was what was the secret to doing? >> well, well, well, people don't acknowledge this . and don't ever acknowledge this. and thank the opportunity to thank you for the opportunity to mention and i both mention it. my sister and i both were multi before we were 30 and were multi before we were 30 and we did that in dependently from from relatively humble. so i don't like people saying it's common stock because there's nothing about their family. it's common it's humble common at all. it's humble stock. an accounts stock. so mum was an accounts clerk. was a painter and clerk. dad was a painter and decorator . and there was a decorator. and there was a mismatch . decorator. and there was a mismatch. mum decorator. and there was a mismatch . mum miscarried decorator. and there was a mismatch. mum miscarried in between the pair of us. hence there's a ten year gap which a ten year gap with children is very difficult to manage. they both had to have two jobs to make sure there was always someone for. home for the pair of us, simple answer to the of us, the simple answer to the question is hard work. they just they said it's . i prefer

they just said it's. i prefer someone who worked for me who tried really hard , as opposed to tried really hard, as opposed to being the most talented or the luckiest , because hard work is luckiest, because hard work is something you can control yourself and i do think that i work very well. well, you must have done work. i'm. yeah, i'm 70. i work seven days a week in a start up. >> yeah. and you then, you know, then someone comes along and offers you a load of money. it's 20 nearly, isn't it? 20 years ago. nearly, isn't it? and it's gary and suddenly it's gary goldsmith. rolls—royces . goldsmith. it's rolls—royces. it's house in ibiza . and it's a big house in ibiza. and it's kind of party time, isn't it's kind of party time, isn't it ? it? >> yes. the wheels came off a little bit, so that's. i mean, it was a very unfortunate set of circumstances that that all of that happened to me . i am far, that happened to me. i am far, far, far from an innocent in all of that circumstance . but, you of that circumstance. but, you know, when somebody targets you for two years, brings coke into your house and ask how to cut it, and you just do it because and i give it back to them. there's no pictures of me

actually doing that stuff again. i'm far from innocent, but but it was it was a 100. yeah. >> i mean, it was known as la maison bang bang for some reason. >> okay. but it had a few names. the maison, the bang bang was a blessed be to my mate mike smith, who came up with that name. but the idea was it was banging house music. is that right? that's what it was. all right. >> i think the tabloids took that rather differently. >> yeah, they they said and they said there were there were many other names we mention, other names we could mention, but won't even go there, but but we won't even go there, but it was about banging house music. changed the of music. so we changed the name of the to the innocent. >> is it ? are we looking at >> is it? are we looking at a gary goldsmith that's calmed down a bit ? i well, i've never down a bit? i well, i've never been the person that they portrayed me to be. >> that's that version of me is a caricature that's, you know, it's almost a simpsons character of being the evil one. yeah. >> the naughty uncle . >> the naughty uncle. >> the naughty uncle. >> yeah, well, well, well, i can join a list now, can't i? so so

there's there are many ahead of me. the way things are going, i could make there five a side team. so, so, it's a bit naughty. yeah probably. i was slightly out of control when . slightly out of control when. when i lost my mum and dad , i when i lost my mum and dad, i did go off the rails 100. people do. but the thing is that i never lost any business. i never lost any friends, and i never lost any friends, and i never lost any friends, and i never lost any of their companies. they actually went from strength to strength because all of my friends circled the wagons and went and went out to protect me, knowing that truth behind knowing that the truth behind that. again, nigel. that. so, but again, nigel. yeah. i'm not an innocent. no, no, no , i think i think we kind no, no, i think i think we kind of get that. yeah. i'm not an innocent. >> what is very, very clear, gary, is you adore your niece, and i wonder, you know, how is she?i and i wonder, you know, how is she? i mean, i know you can't say too much, but how is she? >> i think she's got the best, support infrastructure on the planet . and she's got the best planet. and she's got the best people looking after her. i just thought it was. i just don't

understand all this stuff at the moment, because it doesn't really. doesn't play really. it doesn't really play out employ people or have out when i employ people or have people working for me. if something's going on in their lives, i see when i see you off you go. toodle pip. sort out everything you need to do and that's what we do for people. and they've been very clear and transparent. we see you in easter and nothing has changed. no. >> well, the photograph didn't help, did it? >> well, to be fair, i did actually say there's not. there's not a chance in hell that catherine would have photoshopped that herself. and then she says did so, so. then she says she did so, so. yeah yeah. my, my inside track absolutely went, went sideways there. yeah. so, so, i what but what but what the obvious thing. i can see the picture there. it's they are a beautiful family and the smiles should have been the centre of stage and not sleeve gate. >> yeah, well, we live with a very cynical press. and the

problem if you're in the royal family is you can't really fight back. it's very, very hard for them. you made your you made your views very, very clear on harry and meghan just before you went in with the sun newspaper, just you went the just before you went into the big brother. it's interesting, though, mean, at though, isn't it? i mean, at some harry, got this some point, harry, i've got this feeling harry feeling at some point harry comes fall to comes back, things fall to pieces over there. do you think we'll forgiving him ? we'll be forgiving of him? >> should give up his >> i think he should give up his title. you? i genuinely think title. do you? i genuinely think i don't think you throw your family under under the bus. and they expect to invited around they expect to be invited around for christmas and there's a certain amount of arrogance and naivety to this whole episode that just ring true. that just doesn't ring true. i would prefer him to be magnanimous and give it up, because when he does come back, we all loved harry. harry. absolutely. and yeah, yeah, he had the best job in the world. he had an opportunity to do good of his choice. the invictus games is amazing. he's doing amazingly good work. but then suddenly give yourself an

opportunity to catch your breath and come back when the time is right. i'm not sure it'd be a married man when he does though. >> no, i agree with that. well, ihave >> no, i agree with that. well, i have to say, i'm not an angel. gary goldsmith, thank you for joining me on talking points sadiq khan sally, great stuff . sadiq khan sally, great stuff. well, i at the end of my week with gb news, i'm back on monday with gb news, i'm back on monday with you live at 7 pm. but before we get the weather with alex deakin , i'm going to ask alex deakin, i'm going to ask jacob rees—mogg what he's got coming up in the next hour. well, we're going to be talking about and recent about extremism and the recent views government on views from the government on this and this extraordinary report not hate, which report from hope not hate, which we're in, which we're both in. >> i'm, i'm in.— >> i'm, i'm one of the in. >> i'm, i'm one of the most dangerous tory mps. i get four points from this home office funded talk funded outfit, and we might talk about the general election about where the general election and now being ruled out, and that now being ruled out, which quite well. which is quite well. >> don't know as far as >> i don't know as far as jacob's maybe jacob's concerned, folks, maybe they i don't know. they have a point, i don't know. let's a look the weather. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of

up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest weather update from the met office for gb news. tomorrow will be a case of dodging the downpours. some pretty heavy ones around , but also some ones around, but also some bright spells when low pressure is dominating. sitting right over the uk, you never are going to have dry weather for long, but this low has been providing some very soggy conditions through central and southern scotland through day, it scotland through the day, and it stays wet overnight here. showers elsewhere becoming a bit dner showers elsewhere becoming a bit drier and wales drier for england and wales through the night, then more through the night, but then more heavy coming from the heavy downpours coming from the southwest the early southwest through the early hours. winds with that as hours. gusty winds with that as well, even odd rumble hours. gusty winds with that as wethunder even odd rumble hours. gusty winds with that as wethunder thatan odd rumble hours. gusty winds with that as wethunder that might odd rumble hours. gusty winds with that as wethunder that might wake umble of thunder that might wake you up. mild night for most, up. a very mild night for most, but just enough for a touch but just low enough for a touch of in northern scotland. of frost in northern scotland. in countryside. so in the countryside. and so a damp and chilly start for most of scotland . further heavy of scotland. further heavy showers further a of showers further south. a lot of spray and surface water on the roads for the morning commute. those downpours should ease through the day, but it stays dull and damp for southeast scotland. england

scotland. northeast england elsewhere, of bright elsewhere, a mixture of bright spells but also some further showers, again pretty mild for england wales. showers, again pretty mild for england wales . 1516 where we england and wales. 1516 where we see sunshine a cold see some sunshine but a cold feeling day, particularly that persistent rain over scotland gets cold on friday gets pretty cold on friday night. many of us will start the weekend with touch of frost, weekend with a touch of frost, but many of us will start but also many of us will start with some sunshine . stays fine with some sunshine. stays fine for much of eastern england, northern england and scotland. further west, will be further west, cloud will be edging some patchy rain edging in with some patchy rain temperatures in the teens in the south. single figures once more further north. despite some decent of sunshine . decent spells of sunshine. >> goodbye a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> hello. good evening. it's me, jacob rees—mogg, on state of the nation. tonight, the government's new extremism

definition has been unveiled. and it's not without controversy , but it has coincided with hope not hate's annual state of hate report. my name appears six times and also appears on the same page as a neo—nazi group, not to mention gb news appearing 60 times. but worst of all, this deranged lobby group has been funded by you, the taxpayer, amidst censure from those defending diane abbott's right to speak at prime minister's questions yesterday, i will be defending the speaker, sir lindsay hoyle, who acted entirely properly and within convention it time to convention and is it time to reintroduce wolves into the wild in the uk ? well, it seems to me in the uk? well, it seems to me it's not. best idea ever. however former government environment adviser ben goldsmith has suggested it would be the best way to cull the deer population, and he'll be joining me shortly. plus, of the me shortly. plus, state of the nafion me shortly. plus, state of the nation book club returns with one britain's foremost one of britain's foremost political journalists political editor and the daily telegraph ben riley—smith will be joining me to discuss his book, the right to rule years, five right to rule 13 years, five prime