get the best out worst times to get the best out of us. >> in adversity, you can't match us. we'll be there fighting tooth and nail for the impossible to happen for the underdog . underdog. >> vaughan gethin set to become the first next minister of wales. that is not him , but wales. that is not him, but we're talking about him very shortly. also, the man you're looking at, johnny mercer, veteran affairs minister , could veteran affairs minister, could be sent to jail over his silence, over the afghan inquiry. he's refusing to name whistleblowers who raised concerns about special forces carrying out extrajudicial killings during the afghan war. do you think johnny mercer is right in not naming the whistleblower .7 pro—palestinian whistleblower.7 pro—palestinian protests are filling the streets of cities across the country, calling for a ceasefire in gaza. there's the first marches to go ahead since michael gove unveiled the government's new definition of extremist extremism. we're there live . of

extremism. we're there live. of course, i am absolutely, deeply want to hear from you. i want to hear your views, your comments. so do let me know your thoughts on all the stories we are discussing today. the email address is on your screen. you're listening to us. it's gb views at gb news. com or you can message me on our socials. we're at gb news first. >> pip, thank you very much and good afternoon . your top stories good afternoon. your top stories from the gb newsroom. economy minister vaughan gething has been elected as the welsh labour leader and he'll succeed mark drakeford as the first minister of wales . he drakeford as the first minister of wales. he beat his only rival, the education minister, jeremy miles. mr gething won't take over as first minister until wednesday, when a vote will be held in the senate after 25 years of devolution. he says

he remains committed to the cause. >> today we turn a page in the book of our nation's history. a history that we write together, not just because i have the honour of becoming the first black leader in any european country , but because a country, but because a generational dial has jumped to like ken and jane. devolution is not something that i have had to get used to or to adapt to, or to apologise for. devolution welsh solutions to welsh problems and opportunities is in my blood. >> tory mps have reportedly held secret talks to oust the prime minister and install penny mordaunt as the leader of the conservatives, according to the telegraph. a meeting has taken place between a group of right wing tories and mps who supported mr mordaunt in the previous two leadership elections. this comes after a week that saw former tory deputy chairman lee anderson join the

reform uk party and rishi sunak rule out a general election in early may. senior political analyst at orthodox conservatives david moore told gb news that the change might be what's needed to boost public confidence . confidence. >> conservative party have had so many leaders. i think people are frustrated, the membership is frustrated, the voters are frustrated, in fact apathetic. a lot of voters are very worried about getting out to vote at the moment, and we need some certainty. frankly, we certainty. quite frankly, and we need conservative certainty. quite frankly, and we need now, ervative certainty. quite frankly, and we need now, somele certainty. quite frankly, and we need now, some people leadership. now, some people think and see penny mordaunt as a vehicle for that . with a vehicle for that. with a strong background in defence at the moment, a lot of people are very unhappy at the moment and the membership, especially , but the membership, especially, but at the moment the general election looming, could election is looming, this could be in may, this could be in october, the conservatives october, but the conservatives need election. need to come into that election. united >> thousands of shoppers won't get their online groceries delivered today. sainsbury's have announced that they can't fulfil most of their online orders because they're

experiencing what they're saying are technical difficulties . the are technical difficulties. the company also says that some stores are affected and they're working hard to fix the issue . working hard to fix the issue. sadiq khan has issued a plea for liberal democrat and green supporters to back him , as he supporters to back him, as he seeks the third time as the mayor of london in a pitch to fellow progressives, mr khan is launching what he describes as a love letter campaign as he visits kingston in southwest london to persuade supporters of other parties him their other parties to lend him their votes in the election. the mayor says he was under no illusion about his chances, saying he could lose to the conservative susan hall due to changes in the voting system and traffic's been piling up with the first ever planned daytime closure of the m25 . drivers have been warned to m25. drivers have been warned to stay away from a five mile stretch in surrey, between junctions ten and ii, which has been shut until 6 am. on monday. travel expert simon calder says it needs to be done. >> main problem is that a three,

m25 junction, just a couple of miles away from here, when it was built in the 1980s, it was fine, but now there's so much traffic using it , fine, but now there's so much traffic using it, and 80% of the traffic using it, and 80% of the traffic on the a3 wants to switch to the m25. you're always getting hold ups there. very high accident rate. there and so therefore to clear it all up they're going to widen things. give people extra opportunities to join and leave the motorways . to join and leave the motorways. >> for the latest stories you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gb news. com slash alerts. now it's back . pip. back to. pip. >> tatiana, thanks very much. let's get stuck into then today's topics. we're going to start with vaughan gethin because he's replaced mark drakeford as the leader of welsh

laboun drakeford as the leader of welsh labour. and he will become the next first minister of wales. a little earlier the party announced that vaughan gethin won the leadership race, beating jeremy miles following mark dreyfus resignation late last year. dreyfus resignation late last year . let's take dreyfus resignation late last year. let's take a dreyfus resignation late last year . let's take a look at what year. let's take a look at what the new first minister had to say. >> when your back's against the wall, you want welsh people by your side and we'll be there. it's no coincidence that the nhs had its roots here in wales. no coincidence. the heroism and the solidarity shown through the miners strike. no coincidence that welsh people are working around the world to build peace and heal division in times of strife, we unite, we organise , strife, we unite, we organise, we succeed . we succeed. >> so quite a moment for vaughan gethin, because , as he says, he gethin, because, as he says, he is the first black leader in any european country. well, let's talk to gb news political

correspondent olivia utley. a very good afternoon to you, olivia . talk us through then olivia. talk us through then what wales can expect now from vaughan gething . well, it vaughan gething. well, it certainly is a historic moment for wales and for vaughan gething himself. >> he is, as you say, the first black first minister of any european country. >> but i think he's going to have a pretty short honeymoon period. wales is in a bit of a tncky period. wales is in a bit of a tricky situation, as is england, but arguably wales is suffering even more from the long term worklessness crisis than england is. nhs waiting lists in wales are longer than they are in england , which reflects pretty england, which reflects pretty badly on getting himself who was health minister during covid in wales, there are 20% of people waiting over a year for a consultation with a specialist. >> in england. that's only 5. thatis >> in england. that's only 5. that is going to be a problem which gething will have to deal with very, very quickly indeed

because, as we know , as we have because, as we know, as we have seen here in england, long nhs waiting lists translate very directly into a worklessness crisis which stems productivity. there are other problems, too, that gething is going to have to tackle quickly. there is a lot of anger still in wales at that 20mph driving limit. i was in cardiff a couple of weeks ago, speaking to people who are furious about that, who thinks that, who think that it's having a effect on businesses in a huge effect on businesses in wales. and we can also expect gething be lobbied very, very gething to be lobbied very, very hard to bring business rates down. he will also down. meanwhile he will also have to tackle this farmers crisis . farmers have to tackle this farmers crisis. farmers in wales are furious because a drakeford policy meant that they have to hand over if they are to be entitled to the subsidies which they have grown used to. they have to be prepared to hand over 10% of their farming land for environmental , i.e. environmental causes, i.e. change 10% of their land from agricultural farming land into land that can be used for

growing trees . i was land that can be used for growing trees. i was in wales speaking to welsh farmers. they are not happy about that at all. there are lots of signs saying things like mark drakeford are sheep don't grow on trees. we'll get him. try and reverse that policy of mark drakefords it seems unlikely the two are very much in the same mould . and much in the same mould. and andrew rt davies, the conservative leader in wales, suggested that actually wales would just have more of the same under vaughan there are under vaughan gething. there are all challenges facing all sorts of challenges facing wales some which are wales right now, some which are mirrored in england and others which are specific to wales itself. it is a tough, tough role to be stepping into, but of course gething has a lot of experience. he's been in the welsh cabinet for a long time now as economic minister and health minister before that. so the wales just the people of wales will just have to that up to the challenge. >> he's got a lot of experience, but guess nothing prepares but i guess nothing prepares you, this top job. you, does it for this top job. what's been the reaction so far to this announcement? the reaction of the trade unions, for example ?

for example? >> well, i think that there is a sort of a lot of excitement about the idea of this, of the first black man becoming a leader in a european country. and we've seen that sort of across the whole political spectrum. but there is also sort of consternation we've heard from the welsh tory leader, as i mentioned, andrew rt davies, who sort congratulated him up to sort of congratulated him up to a point but suggested that wales would facing more of the would just be facing more of the same. trade unions will have to sort of see how that settles, because obviously we that because obviously we know that in as in england, the in wales, as in england, the trade unions have quite a pincer like grip on the labour movement. i think what gething is concentrating on at the moment is the idea that labour will soon be in power in the uk as a whole and of course that will sort of give win to the flames of his premiership in wales. if there is a starmer government in westminster who he can work closely with, his hope is that over the next parliament

things will get a little bit easier for the relationship between the first minister in wales and the government in westminster. >> political correspondent olivia utley, thanks very much for that analysis and for more analysis and opinion on that story and much more. you can go to the website gb news.com. and i also just want to ask you, while it's on my mind, because something else that has broken this morning is this issue with sainsbury's, where the vast majority of deliveries have been cancelled because of technical glitches. are you affected? were you expecting your delivery today? did you even get notification that this had happened? have you been making phone calls all morning? let me know your experience. gb views at gb news.com. it's being reported that the veterans affairs minister, johnny mercer , affairs minister, johnny mercer, could be sent to jail over his silence regarding the afghan inquiry. now, what's happened is

that he's refusing to name whistleblowers who raised concerns about special forces carrying out extrajudicial killings during the war. now is johnny mercer right, in not naming the whistleblower? well talking to me about it in the studio is former labour mp denis macshane and the host of recent uk , jess gil. good afternoon to uk, jess gil. good afternoon to you both. good afternoon dennis, let's start with you. first. is he right to keep schtum ? he right to keep schtum? >> it's actually a step or a moment in quite a difficult saga. >> this is very serious for the british state and the army. the allegations are that between 50 and 80 unarmed afghani prisoners were shot dead , as they call it, were shot dead, as they call it, extrajudicial killings. in other language, it would be called murder at the hands of the sas and other special forces. and johnny mercer is the veterans minister. he's been fired by

bofis minister. he's been fired by boris johnson and liz truss. and again he's left under rishi sunak. he's a very independent man, ex—army veteran himself . if man, ex—army veteran himself. if he said he had no faith in the mod ministry of defence to find out what was going on and he criticised ben wallace, the secretary of state. so it's rather odd now he's saying to this judge, let's go slowly on this judge, let's go slowly on this because i got information from whistleblowers. if they're dragged to the court, what might happen to them. so it's a very serious constitutional issue, much bigger than simply does, doesn't he have a point here? >> i mean, as journalists , we >> i mean, as journalists, we can protect our sources. why can't he protect these these individuals? >> well, very simply, it is a statutory court of inquiry set up statutory court of inquiry set ”p by statutory court of inquiry set up by the ministry of defence . up by the ministry of defence. and they met nothing but stonewalling. that's the inquiry and the judge concerned from the ministry of defence , which ministry of defence, which johnny mercer himself has complained about and one key

source of information is what was told to him. now, you're not allowed under any law or under any any court or under any system to say, oh, i'm not going to tell you, your honour, what i know, because, you know, i want to keep it secret. it doesn't work quite like that. so johnny mercer , who i think is an mercer, who i think is an admirable man, is a difficult admirable man, is in a difficult position. and if this continues, there's explosive there's this. it was explosive in australia, where the australian army had to face up to its own death squads, killing afghan afghan prisoners. frankly, we should never have beenin frankly, we should never have been in afghanistan. we just provided our soldiers with target practice for the taliban. i to david cameron in i told that to david cameron in the house of commons ten years ago, and the next day came up ago, and the next day he came up to said, you know, to me and said, you know, dennis, with you. that's dennis, i agree with you. that's a political story, a wider political story, but this potentially a big this is potentially a big constitutional row. it's not just about one johnny mercer. >> let's bring jess in. jess this this could send set an enormous precedent, couldn't it? i mean, johnny mercer, he himself served several tours in

afghanistan, and he says that he has given assurances to these individuals that they would remain confidential. the sources would remain confidential. when they came to him with concerns , they came to him with concerns, is that not a valid point? because as we need whistleblowers, whistleblowers have exposed a lot of things going wrong in this country. we need them. if this sets the precedent, then where do we go from here? >> yeah, absolutely. >> yeah, absolutely. >> i think this is a very nuanced, complicated issue. and in idealistic scenario , yes, in an idealistic scenario, yes, they would come forward. >> yes, he would be able to disclose this information, but like raised like as you rightfully raised this does set a dangerous precedent. >> at the end of the day, these whistleblower came forward under the pretence under the promise that what they said would remain anonymous . anonymous. >> i think that's a very important thing. >> and i think going forward , if >> and i think going forward, if he does disclose what they let on or if he does, face jail time

because of it, i think this does set a very dangerous precedent. and also we're punishing the wrong people here. i think it's very honourable that a man wants to word. i think to keep to his word. i think that's rare nowadays in that's quite rare nowadays in politics. think should politics. i think that should be acknowledged. think that acknowledged. and i think that should rewarded, at least by acknowledged. and i think that sho generalawarded, at least by acknowledged. and i think that sho general public. i, at least by acknowledged. and i think that sho general public. i at least by acknowledged. and i think that sho general public. i know st by acknowledged. and i think that sho general public. i know they the general public. i know the consequences of that obviously aren't aren't good. obviously we would like justice to be served, but can justice be really served if the people who have had their promise, if their promise is broken? >> yeah. and what does this mean , dennis? wider issue that if johnny mercer ends up going to jail, i mean, there is a potential penalty here. we're told a maximum sentence of 55, 51 weeks behind bars or a fine . 51 weeks behind bars or a fine. but that raises the issue of johnny mercer , not being able to johnny mercer, not being able to continue as a tory mp and we know already that there's 62 tory mps who aren't standing at the next election. rishi sunak's an even more of a bigger pickle

than he already is. >> well he the tories hate >> well he is. the tories hate johnny because, course johnny mercer because, of course , doesn't join the , he doesn't join the anti—european of anti—european fanaticism of truss and johnson and so on. >> well, he's own man, isn't he? >> he's very much his own man. i really we'll find really think we'll find something between that something happens between that scenario anything really scenario and, anything really happening, namely a general election. but going back to the main point , this isn't quite main point, this isn't quite right. you have right under right. you have no right under british law to tell a judge to f off. i'm not going to tell you what i know. and if you. >> well, he didn't tell him to. well, i mean, he didn't quite put it that. well, no, he's put it like that. well, no, he's a you know, public a polite, you know, public school, educated guy. school, sandhurst educated guy. >> but personally i questioned why the judge is bringing this up so strongly now. but we either get to the bottom of this and the british army over 300 years has had to face the fact that now and then horribly bad things happened in it. and it's always been to the honour and the glory of the british army. it has said we've got bad uns and done something about it. now

the badlands are being protected and protected protected , and protected and protected, then that isn't right either. so these sources, of johnny mercer's, they're not suspects. >> they're witnesses who he believes are vulnerable, and he wants to protect them . and does wants to protect them. and does that not show that he is a man of integrity ? of integrity? >> and he's a great he's a great guy, but it's terrifying. most of them now will be out of the army. they're vulnerable in this democratic country. from what? from from action to from revenge, from action to intimidate them. >> from if he had made assurances and maybe he shouldn't have, but he if he made assurances to them that they would not be identified where do we end up, if suddenly? >> well, in the same way that many cases, evidence is given behind the curtain and so on, there are ways of doing this. i mean, i think the judges. so you think there's a way of doing it where they could still be protected? i the judge protected? i think the judge is grandstanding a bit, but he's trying. cage, trying. he's rattling the cage, saying mercer, you saying to johnny mercer, you can't the mod saying to johnny mercer, you

can't be the mod saying to johnny mercer, you can't be trusted. the mod saying to johnny mercer, you can't be trusted. he's the mod saying to johnny mercer, you can't be trusted. he's got; mod saying to johnny mercer, you can't be trusted. he's got norod can't be trusted. he's got no faith in them. and when you're asked produce your evidence, asked to produce your evidence, you no, not going you say, oh, no, i'm not going to. risk going to to. i'm going to risk going to prison. it's great. it's prison. i mean, it's great. it's a admirable on the part a wholly admirable on the part of mercer, don't get me of johnny mercer, don't get me wrong. but in end , other wrong. but in the end, other democratic countries, the sas, the special forces are under no parliamentary supervision in all other democracies, the us and germany, wherever australia, parliament has this, they should be. i think a mechanism must be found because we can't let this stain on the order of the british army continued. if men went out and shot in the back unarmed prisoners, that's not something britain should be ever associated with. >> i mean, is that a valid point raised by denis that that it's all this is an ongoing stain on the british army here? >> i think it is a very complicated issue . i think while complicated issue. i think while we should protect whistleblowers , and i completely agree with that. i think, the court should come to a situation where the

whistleblowers anonymity should be protected. and i believe there are measures to do so. i believe there's like a closed heanng believe there's like a closed hearing . that's what the court hearing. that's what the court is suggesting. that's what the judge is suggesting . i think judge is suggesting. i think that's a way forward. but i don't think outright threatening mercer is the right way. and i think that brings more shame on the country and the army. and i think we should be again, directing our focus to odds, blaming the people responsible, blaming the people responsible, blaming the people responsible, blaming the ones disgracing the british army rather than the ones holding its integrity , the ones holding its integrity, the ones holding its integrity, the ones who are calling out injustices and keeping to their word. i think they should be protected and the ones doing the bad things. obviously shouldn't be. and unfortunately, you know, you shouldn't. you shouldn't have a go at the ones who aren't , who aren't. >> okay. jess gill denis macshane, thank you to you both . macshane, thank you to you both. i should add that we have reached out to johnny mercer for

a comment, but so far he hasn't got back to us. maybe he will before the end of the program. we will, of course , let you we will, of course, let you know. good afternoon to you. great have you us. you great to have you with us. you are with me, pip tomson on gb news a little pip news saturday for a little pip talk. and there's lots more coming today's show . coming up on today's show. pro—palestinian protests are filling cities filling the streets of cities across the country calling for a ceasefire in gaza. these are the first marches to go ahead since michael gove unveiled the government's new definition of extremism. will be at one protest reporting from there. that and much more to come. you're with gb news, britain's news

hello. welcome back to gb news saturday with me. pip tomson on your tv, onune me. pip tomson on your tv, online and on digital radio. lots of you already sending in your thoughts. thank you. so much. we are getting quite a few

on this sainsbury technical glitch. sounds like more of a glitch. sounds like more of a glitch though when you read into it. and helen, good afternoon . it. and helen, good afternoon. you say that you were due a home delivery today . you heard delivery today. you heard nothing from sainsbury's. your brother and your brother lives in germany. he's the one who telephoned you to tell you about the delivery issues . you've the delivery issues. you've tried phoning sainsbury's, but after waiting 25 minutes on hold, you've given up. chris. hi there. sainsbury's can't deliver food due to technical problems. the cashless society is obviously working well. it does sound like, yeah, if you've got cash on you and you go into sainsbury's , that is a very good sainsbury's, that is a very good idea. sarah, i've just seen a sainsbury's delivery to a neighbour so not all orders have been cancelled. i wonder where that was. andy, my sainsbury's is taking cash, no card is only taking cash, no card payment and we're getting more, which i will go through and bnng which i will go through and bring to you as soon as

possible. oh, sam says good afternoon . very sarcastic one afternoon. very sarcastic one this, but hey ho, this might sound radical, but to all those waiting for their deliveries from sainsbury's, why not try getting off their backsides and actually local actually visit their local supermarket at simples? well, all i would say to that sam is that if you've got young children and you're by yourself, maybe you can't actually leave them at home get to the them at home to get to the shops. it might not be as easy as actually physically . getting as actually physically. getting up off your backside might be a little bit more complicated than that appreciate that, but appreciate your thoughts. getting thoughts. so thanks for getting in them coming in gb in touch. keep them coming in gb views gb news. com views at gb news. com palestinian protests pro—palestinian protests are again filling the streets of cities across the country . they cities across the country. they are calling for a ceasefire in gaza. are calling for a ceasefire in gaza . now. these are the first gaza. now. these are the first marches to happen since michael gove , communities secretary, gove, communities secretary, unveiled the government's new definition of extremism earlier this month. the prime minister warned that britain's

multi—ethnic democracy was being undermined by both islamist and far right extremists. well, joining me now is gb news national reporter theo chikomba. good afternoon to you, theo, tell me where you are then . and tell me where you are then. and are there as many people as we've seen over the last few weekends? are these protests guests attracting as many people as ever ? as ever? >> well, already dozens of people have turned up here at the greenwich islamic centre, and they'll be making their way, as a march towards woolwich town centre, where a rally is going to be taking place there at around 1:30. >> but already a lot of people have turned up. it's still a little bit early, but as more as time progresses, more and more people are turning up. but the political tension has been rising. this week again , as the rising. this week again, as the communities minister, michael gove, outlined the new definition of extremism, and in that statement he did name a

number of groups. some of those work in in partnership with the group that organised this march today in london. now of course, they have said in a statement they have said in a statement the coalition of these groups, around six of them are saying that they condemn the statement that they condemn the statement that michael gove has put out this week, saying it's an assault on the on the democratic freedoms that they have as groups to highlight some of the issues happening in their communities and in israel as well. and they've been saying all the families in israel that they are complaining about are are suffering with them not being able to get enough food. and they're having to go through some challenging times and they're saying , this is why they're saying, this is why we're out on the street every single week . and of course, single week. and of course, there have been critics this week saying that this will silence a number of groups who have a right to come out and protest like this. but as we've heard from the prime minister as well, there have been some extremist views which have been

portrayed during marches like this one in the weekends that we've seen over last couple we've seen over the last couple of months . but for these people, of months. but for these people, the are the vast majority of them are calling for a ceasefire and they'll be heading towards woolwich town centre, where a rally will be taking place. so we'll speaking to some of we'll be speaking to some of them as to why they are here and them as to why they are here and the particularly the concerns, particularly around views around extremist views that we've in the last couple of we've seen in the last couple of months. while it's an issue, the horrors of this issue are many miles away. it's so close to home for many of those people who are here. >> theo chikomba, thank you for that. and we will of course , that. and we will of course, stay across those protests this afternoon. we'll rejoin theo a little later. you're with me, pip tomson good afternoon for gb news saturday. lots more to talk to you about coming up on today's show. and i'd it wouldn't be a show with me without somehow fitting in something about dogs. and we are actually getting a dog in the studio. not my own, unfortunately, but i'm really looking forward to that.

hopefully won't cause too much chaos. first, get your chaos. first, let's get your news tatiana . news with tatiana. >> pippa, thank you very much and good afternoon . the top and good afternoon. the top stories from the gb newsroom. economy minister vaughan gething has been elected as the welsh labour leader , and he'll succeed labour leader, and he'll succeed mark drakeford as the first minister of wales. he beat his only rival, the education minister, jeremy miles. he also becomes the first black leader in any european country. mr gething won't take over as first minister until wednesday, when a vote will be held in the senate after 25 years of devolution. he says he remains committed to the cause. says he remains committed to the cause . tory mps have reportedly cause. tory mps have reportedly held secret talks to oust the prime minister and to install penny mordaunt as the leader of the conservatives, to according the conservatives, to according the telegraph. a meeting has taken place between a group of right wing tories and mps who supported mr mordaunt the supported mr mordaunt in the previous two leadership elections. this comes after a week that saw former tory deputy

chairman lee anderson join the reform uk party, and rishi sunak rule out a general election in early may. thousands of shoppers won't get their online groceries delivered today. sainsbury's have announced that they can't fulfil most of their online orders because of an error with an overnight software update. the company also says that some shops were affected due to issues with contactless payments, and they're working hard to issue , and the hard to fix the issue, and the female employee suspended by formula one. red bull has formally appealed against the decision to clear team principal christian horner of controlling behaviour . christian horner of controlling behaviour. she made the allegation earlier this month but was suspended as a direct result of red bull's inquiry into the matter . horner was into the matter. horner was allowed to continue in his role when he was cleared any when he was cleared of any wrongdoing in, and traffic's already building up with the first ever planned daytime closure of the m25 since it openedin closure of the m25 since it opened in 1986, drivers have been warned to stay away from a five mile stretch in surrey

between junctions ten and 11, which has been shut until 6:00 monday morning . for the latest monday morning. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gb news common alerts. now it's back to . pip. it's back to. pip. >> thanks very much, tatiana. do, of course remember you can get in touch about all our topics we've been discussing today. maybe something we haven't even discussed yet that just has occurred to you. let us know. vaiews@gbnews.com. or you can message me on our socials. we're at gb news. plenty more to come. let me tell you what it is. the duchess of sussex, meghan markle. she is being criticised after using her royal title for the launch of her new lifestyle brand. is it valid criticism? we'll be debating that very shortly. i'm pip tomson, to great have you with

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so they've got issues with contactless payments and can't deliver most of today's groceries online orders. but their stores are open as usual, accepting chip and pin and cash payments. they're also saying that they cannot because this has been part of the problem. you guys are not understanding, not being told what's going on. you're them . you're not hearing from them. sainsbury's say cannot sainsbury's say they cannot contact customers directly, but their online ordering system is working as normal . customers can working as normal. customers can place a new order now for delivery any time from tomorrow. we apologise to customers for the inconvenience and are working hard to fix the issue. so there you go. that's the latest coming in from sainsbury's . latest coming in from sainsbury's. now let's talk about the duchess of sussex, shall we? she hasn't been mentioned for a while. meghan markle launching her lifestyle brand called american riviera orchard on instagram and she uses the royal title the duchess of sussex on social media and on the brand's website. there's a bit of a debate because royal

experts have claimed that meghan has breached her megxit agreement, as she uses the title for commercial gain. let's get into this a little bit then, with our royal broadcaster rafe heydel—mankoo. great to see you here in the studio, rafe. where do you stand then ? is she do you stand then? is she breaching? i mean, we just said the megxit agreement and it was that sandringham agreement wasn't it? back early part of wasn't it? back in early part of 2020. is she exploiting her royal status? well, technically she is, but i'm in this situation going to give her some leeway because at least she's not blatantly benefiting from the monarchy. >> you have to remember that they've spent the last 3 or 4 years promoting themselves by attacking the monarchy directly. and here, essentially, she is doing something which i think is more positive because it's essentially the opening of a new chapter life. and i think essentially the opening of a new cha something life. and i think essentially the opening of a new cha something which nd i think essentially the opening of a new cha something which is i think it's something which is something she loves and understands. and i would just hope is the beginning hope that this is the beginning of positive new chapter where

of a positive new chapter where she herself in she immerses herself in something that she loves and looks forward rather than backwards, and hopefully takes on so much responsibility doing this that she doesn't have time to actually deal with royal feuds or indeed lecture us about microaggressions and intersectionality and systemic racism. either >> well, you say lecture, you say lecture. some people would say lecture. some people would say she she she likes to she likes to talk about it and engage with people about it . she engage with people about it. she is doing it's all relates to what she did before, isn't it? she had the tig website that she then took down. now that had, i think, 3 million plus followers . think, 3 million plus followers. is this one already in two days? she's already got nearly half a million followers. did it jar with you at all? and i'm not saying it's in breach of anything, but did it jar with you at all when you look on that instagram and it says by instagram site and it says by meghan, instagram site and it says by me�*that's right. and it has >> that's right. and it also has something quite close to a royal cypher as the logo. it's american . orchard is the

american riviera. orchard is the name, an odd name, but it's a nod to santa barbara , which is nod to santa barbara, which is where and prince harry live. nod to santa barbara, which is wheithat's and prince harry live. nod to santa barbara, which is wheithat's often rince harry live. nod to santa barbara, which is wheithat's often called arry live. nod to santa barbara, which is wheithat's often called the live. and that's often called the american riviera. so even though it tongue it doesn't trip off the tongue terribly that's the reason terribly well, that's the reason for it. and the a and the r and the look rather like the 0 do look rather like a royal cypher. yes, can royal cypher. so yes, you can have criticisms there, as have some criticisms there, as you can with their main website, for which is very much for example, which is very much a royal website. you know, i think part of the plan here actually with their main website is to sort of brand themselves as america's royal family. and try, at least from prince harry's perspective, to create an , a sort of mini court an america, a sort of mini court akin to the where they can akin to the uk, where they can essentially engage in similar sorts of charitable endeavours and so forth. so i think in terms of their wider of their wider programme, they have modelled themselves. think on, modelled themselves. i think on, on the, on the royals, on the royal template, but this in itself i don't think is that much of a, of an issue when it comes to those sorts of things. we to say here, know, we have to say here, you know, yes, tig website yes, this tig website worked very to very well for her. she wants to essentially the ranks of essentially join the ranks of gwyneth paltrow and martha

stewart as one of these lifestyle goddesses. there's now also rumours that she's going to start filming very soon. netflix and netflix series roll over nigella as well. >> but you know, she she's always , come across to many as always, come across to many as an independent woman who fell in love with a prince. this is her business. she's not using tax funded tax payer's money to fund it. so is it not a case of do you know what, i might not buy anything off it, but good luck to you. i've got to make living. >> that's why i'm not as concerned about this as some people are. think people are. and i think actually, if is something actually, if this is something productive, doing, actually, if this is something proc she ve, doing, actually, if this is something procshe understands doing, actually, if this is something proc she understands lifestyle, she she understands lifestyle, she she understands lifestyle, she loves it and she does it very well. we know that. and if this distracts her takes this distracts her and takes her away from more negative things that she's done in the past, i think that's only a positive thing. >> negative. when we look at the timing of it, though. so the evening of the diana legacy awards, minutes before prince

william arrived for the awards, critics say it completely overshadowed that. interestingly, it's also the four year anniversary. that's right . of megxit, you know, right. of megxit, you know, she's a clever woman. do you think it was very it raises it raises a lot of questions. >> look, nothing happens by accident. these sorts of releases with the huge pr blitz that we saw happening was clearly orchestrated far in advance. and as you say, 45 minutes before prince william arrived at the diana legacy awards, this pr blitz started. and then at two hours later, when he was still presenting awards , they announced awards, they announced a $100,000 award scheme from the archewell prize. and then two hours after that, prince harry was doing a live a live broadcast with some of these award. award recipients. two of the diana legacy awards. now, you would have to ask , why would you would have to ask, why would prince harry want meghan's brand to overshadow the legacy awards celebrating his mother? there's

a big question about that. is his feud with prince william so strong that he actually thinks it's worth overshadowing one of his mother's great legacies? or did not actually inform did meghan not actually inform him of this? this is another question. you know , did the pr question. you know, did the pr team not so that one of these two things is going on, but either one of them, i think is very sad. at end of the day. very sad. at the end of the day. >> do does it to >> but do does it have to overshadow it? did it overshadow it there are three? it because there are three? because been enough because there's been enough talk about the awards and the fact that how more estranged that it shows how more estranged than ever william and harry are, is there not space for both of these things? >> 300. there are 365 >> there are 300. there are 365 days in the year. there are, you know, we know from harry and meghan's tax returns that they work hour a week in work for one hour a week in terms of archewell, there are plenty when this plenty of occasions when this could to time could have been done to time this minutes before prince this 45 minutes before prince william's speech, i think, suggests that there was a deliberate attempt to here overshadow him, perhaps because prince resented not being prince harry resented not being there in person for these awards schemes. you know, he waited two hours before he had his own

private the award private session with the award recipients. i think there's a lot calculation there , and i lot of calculation there, and i just think it was it would be a shame that we've had diana's awards overshadowed in this way needlessly, they could have needlessly, when they could have even they could have happened on consecutive even they could have happened on conseclother diana awards, not >> but other diana awards, not actually overshadowed the actually overshadowed by the fact that there's these two feuding who are feuding brothers who are continuing to, well, we you know, it's very difficult to hear words they, they hear the words they, they preach, if you like, in their speeches , when you look at speeches, when you look at what's going on between, you couldn't be more right. >> it's occasions this >> and it's occasions like this when to actually think when you have to actually think what think of this what diana would think of this situation. how situation. now and how heartbroken loving heartbroken she would be loving her as she did her two sons as much as she did to this feud played to see this feud being played out. and you would hope out. and indeed, you would hope that diana that something like the diana diana awards would be an diana legacy awards would be an occasion where least occasion where at least they could the platform could share the same platform and put put things to the side. >> say awards. >> we should say those awards. i mean, great. they're >> we should say those awards. i mean, people, great. they're >> we should say those awards. i mean, people, 20 at. they're >> we should say those awards. i mean, people, 20 awards"re young people, 20 awards who inspire communities , these inspire their communities, these 20 awards given to future role models and leaders within their communities, something really to celebrate and i just think it's

a shame that the launch of this, i think perfectly valid new enterprise came on the same day as prince william was presenting these awards on behalf of their their mother. okay. great to have your thoughts , rafe. as have your thoughts, rafe. as always, thanks for coming in. thatis always, thanks for coming in. that is rafe heydel—mankoo royal broadcaster and commentator. thanks so much . you are with me. thanks so much. you are with me. good afternoon, pip tomson for gb news saturday. lots more coming up on today's show, including it's the final day . as including it's the final day. as if you didn't know of the six nafions if you didn't know of the six nations and ireland and well, it's theirs to lose. they are within touching distance of winning it all, but if they falter , england could just falter, england could just snatch it . it's all quite snatch it. it's all quite complicated. the permutations of all this . we're going to be all this. we're going to be dissecting it next on gb news britain's news channel

good afternoon. welcome back to gb news saturday with me, pip tomson on your tv, online and on digital radio. and i'm going to try to talk about rugby. get it? who will win the six nations? well, ireland are set to win the whole tournament this afternoon. if they can beat scotland later on today. but if england beat france this evening and win the bonus points, and ireland squander their chances against the scots this afternoon, then england will pip them to the post. do i need to say all that again ? there's a lot of again? there's a lot of permutations to this so i need some help here. let's go to gb news. northern ireland reporter dougie beattie. good afternoon dougie. explain where you are because somewhere quite because it's somewhere quite significant. can you and also just explain to us all the ins and outs of this? it's quite a day. it's going to be a thrilling day .

thrilling day. >> it's going to be a thrilling day. and a thrilling weekend in ireland because of course, this is saint patrick's weekend as well. i'm here at instonians and cooke rugby club . why here? cooke rugby club. why here? because this is if you think about ireland, ireland only has about ireland, ireland only has about 7.4 million people in it. nonh about 7.4 million people in it. north and south. so the pool for the rugby players is very small. but right for decades they have been right at the top of world rugby. this morning i was here finding out how that that grassroots rugby has gone ahead and how they develop the game here in ireland. and of course today's match is always one. it's a celtic clash . it's it's a celtic clash. it's between scotland and ireland and whenever i go to get a chance to watch the six nations, that's the match that i would always want to go and see. it is a very bad tempered match, i can assure you, and it's by no means ireland's . you, and it's by no means ireland's. it's not going to be any walkover, i wouldn't imagine. although italy managed to crush scotland last week and that quite a shock. that was

that was quite a shock. that was i mean italy were showing so well , they haven't done that well, they haven't done that since the time of burgomaster back in, the late 90s, early 2000. and so they're really coming on. so are they coming on or did scotland just play very badly? well today we will find that out when it all kicks off in dublin, mahoney, who is the ireland captain , he has the job ireland captain, he has the job to do. but really, when you come to do. but really, when you come to places like this, you see how people develop their skills. and i mean, i'm watching a women's team behind me playing here. and when a scrum half in my when i played a scrum half in my back in the day, i would be afraid of going out here with some of these women, never mind some of these women, never mind some lads that are here some of the lads that are here now and the scrum half and the fly are really, really fly half are really, really crucial rugby match. they crucial to any rugby match. they really set the game and set the pace of the game and really, the, irish team lost their fly half last year. he was just too old. johnny sexton, he was also the captain. and i did fear that that was going to, you know, go a little bit west at that stage .

a little bit west at that stage. but they haven't they've proved very well doing the job. very well to be doing the job. and of course, they are becoming accessible heroes for people in these communities. accessible heroes for people in these communities . and that's these communities. and that's what this has always been about with ireland. of course , the with ireland. of course, the gaa, they also play games here. that's that's a cross between soccer and rugby. and they're taught to catch the ball above their head without actually even looking up to see the ball. but and that also helps the game of rugby. but earlier on today i spoke to some of the youngsters here that are going to be stars of the future . of the future. >> i've been doing it for eight years and it's been the best time of my life. the enjoyment and the togetherness with the whole team, yeah, it's really important. team as well . important. the team as well. they're all so nice brothers in this it's respectful to this team and it's respectful to respectful sport. you always need to respect , respect the need to respect, respect the referees, respect the kicker when they're kicking . when they're kicking. >> always respect everybody on the pitch. >> for the last eight years and it's very enjoyable, the tackle

and the rucks. they're cool. yeah. >> who's going to win today ? are >> who's going to win today? are they ? well, they're of no doubt. they? well, they're of no doubt. who's going to win today. they're all excited. many of the people here have left for dublin already. as for me, poor me , i'm already. as for me, poor me, i'm going to have to go to a bar somewhere where they are screening the match to try and soak up the atmosphere, so i may or may not later on. or may not see you later on. >> dougie beattie my heart >> oh dougie beattie my heart bleeds for you. have a pint of guinness for me too. i mean, what a way to celebrate saint patrick's day. if ireland do it today, it would be their seventh six nations win . you are with six nations win. you are with me, pip tomson on gb news saturday. lots more still to come and to talk about. has the penny dropped for the tories? plots were apparently rife in the conservative party, as right wing mps reportedly unite with

moderates to replace rishi sunak with penny mordaunt. but would a change in leader really save the tories? is it too late? that's all still to come. first, here's all still to come. first, here's a look at the weather with ellie. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar , sponsors of weather on . solar, sponsors of weather on. gb news. >> good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. so a cloudier afternoon for most of us with rain very much on its way across the uk. this all due to an area of low pressure moving its way towards the uk through the rest of saturday into start of saturday and into the start of saturday and into the start of sunday. cloudier of sunday. so those cloudier skies of the uk and skies across much of the uk and some heavy rain for northern ireland, wales and parts of southwest england that will push its into parts scotland its way into parts of scotland through evening, its way into parts of scotland through evening , turning through this evening, turning particularly heavy across southern some southern areas and even some snow hills . there'll be snow for the hills. there'll be a drier interlude across a brief, drier interlude across the of uk , the southern half of the uk, before further rain pushes its way eastwards into the

way north and eastwards into the early hours of sunday morning, leaving night. lows leaving a very mild night. lows of only 10 or 11 degrees of only around 10 or 11 degrees across england wales across much of england and wales , across parts of northern ireland and scotland, though a bit start to bit of a chillier start to sunday and brighter skies. sunday and some brighter skies. so we go so some sunshine as we go through sunday morning. further south england wales south across england and wales once that rain clears its way eastwards, there will be some sunshine developing here too, particularly head the particularly as we head into the afternoon. there will afternoon. however, there will be some showers bubbling up and these particularly these could turn particularly heavy the midlands. heavy across the midlands. another very mild day. temperatures above temperatures widely above average for the time of year, with highs of 15 or 16 degrees. monday starts a little drier again for most of us. a band of rain slowly pushes its way eastwards through monday morning, a dry and morning, leaving a dry and bright most of us. bright afternoon for most of us. plenty of sunshine on offer and temperatures remaining temperatures still remaining above average for time of above average for the time of yeah above average for the time of year. be a changeable year. it will be a changeable rest of the week, with further interludes and some dry interludes of rain and some dry spells, temperatures spells, and those temperatures staying above average. >> things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news.

weather on. gb news. >> early. thanks very much. we've talked about sainsbury's this hour and their technical issues, which is causing loads of problems with online deliveries. we're also getting reports from you that there's issues with tesco . have you had issues with tesco. have you had problems with tesco online deliveries? it's all happening, isn't it? gb views at gb news. com do let me know . do stay with com do let me know. do stay with us here on gb news saturday. we will of course be talking about all the serious stuff we've also got a canine chum

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times to get the best out of us in adversity, you can't match us. >> we'll be there fighting tooth and nail for the impossible to happen, for the underdog, for the oppressed . the oppressed. >> vaughan gething is set to become the next first minister of wales, and the first black man to lead a european country after winning the welsh labour leadership contest at. has the penny dropped for the tories ? penny dropped for the tories? plots are apparently rife in the conservative party as right wing mps reportedly unite with moderates to replace rishi sunak with penny mordaunt . but would a with penny mordaunt. but would a change in leader at this stage really save the tories ? really save the tories? pro—palestinian protests are taking place on streets and across the country, calling for across the country, calling for a ceasefire in gaza. they are the first marches to go ahead since michael gove unveiled the

government's new definition of extremism. we're at one of these protests live . of course. i'd protests live. of course. i'd love to hear from you this afternoon . what are you talking afternoon. what are you talking about? what are your views on what we've been talking about? do let me know your thoughts on the stories. vaiews@gbnews.com. maybe you're affected by this issue with sainsbury's today. this technical issue, they've got , which is this technical issue, they've got, which is scuppering online deliveries. we're also getting reports that if you're a tesco customer, well there's problems there as well. we'll be getting there as well. we'll be getting the latest on that. do let us know. we're also on our socials at gb news. let's bring you right up to date with the headlines. here's tatiana . headlines. here's tatiana. >> pip. thank you and good afternoon. the top stories from the gb newsroom. economy minister vaughan gething has been elected as the welsh labour

leader, and he'll succeed mark drakeford as the first minister of wales. he beat his only rival, the education minister jeremy miles, getting just over 51% of the vote. mr gething won't take over as first minister until wednesday, when a vote will be held in the senate after 25 years of devolution . he after 25 years of devolution. he says he remains committed to the cause. >> today we turn a page in the book of our nation's history, a history that we write together , history that we write together, not just because i have the honour of becoming the first black leader in any european country, but because a generational dial has jumped to like ken and jane depher lucian is not something that i have had to get used to or to adapt to, or to apologise for devolution. welsh solutions to welsh problems and opportunities is in my blood . my blood. >> tory mps have reportedly held

secret talks to oust the prime minister and to install penny mordaunt as the leader of the conservatives, according to the telegraph. a meeting has taken place between a group of right wing tories and mps who supported miss mordaunt in the previous two leadership elections. this after a elections. this comes after a week that saw former tory deputy chairman lee anderson joined the reform uk party, and rishi sunak rule out a general election in early may. senior political analyst at orthodox conservatives david moore told gb news the change might be what's needed to boost public confidence in the conservative party. >> have had so many leaders. i think people are frustrated , the think people are frustrated, the membership is frustrated, the voters are frustrated, in fact, apathetic . a lot of voters are apathetic. a lot of voters are very worried about getting out to at moment and we to vote at the moment and we need certainty, quite need some certainty, quite frankly, need strong frankly, and we need a strong conservative leadership. now, some people think penny some people think and see penny mordaunt for that. mordaunt as a vehicle for that. with a strong background in defence at the moment. a lot of people are very unhappy at the moment and the membership especially, but at the moment

moment and the membership esp�*general)ut at the moment moment and the membership esp�*general electiona moment moment and the membership esp�*general election is noment moment and the membership esp�*general election is looming , the general election is looming, this could be in may, this could be in october, but the conservatives into conservatives need to come into that united that election. united >> thousands of shoppers will not be able to get their online groceries delivered today. sainsbury's have announced that they can't fulfil most of their onune they can't fulfil most of their online orders because of an error with an overnight software update. the company also says that some shops are affected as well due to issues with contactless payments. they say they're working hard to fix the issue and in the last few minutes, we've also found out that also reportedly that tesco's has also reportedly been hit with an it breakdown itself affecting home itself also affecting home deliveries . the female employee, deliveries. the female employee, suspended by formula one, red bull, has formally appealed against the decision to clear team principal christian horner of controlling behaviour . she of controlling behaviour. she made those allegations earlier this month but was suspended as a direct result of red bull's inquiry into the matter. horner was allowed to continue in his role when he was cleared of any

wrongdoing in. traffic has been building up with the first ever planned daytime closure of the m20 . five drivers have been m20. five drivers have been warned to stay away from a five mile stretch in surrey between junctions ten and 11, which has been shut until 6:00 monday morning. travel expert simon calder says it needs to be done. >> main problem is that a3, m25 junction just a couple of miles away from here, when it was built in the 1980s, it was fine, but now there's so much traffic using it and 80% of the traffic on the a3 wants to switch to the m25. you're always getting hold—ups there, very high accident rate there and so therefore to clear it all up, they're going to widen things, give people extra opportunities to and leave the motorway . to join and leave the motorway. >> for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning that qr code on your screen. or you can go to gb news

.com/ alerts. now it's back to . pip. >> tatiana. thanks very much and thank you to you for all your comments and views so far. thank you to you for all your comments and views so far . we comments and views so far. we are getting plenty in about this sainsbury's issue or problem, and we're also getting reports that it's affecting tesco customers as well. in fact. caroline. hi there. you say your tesco delivery for 8 to 9:00 tonight was cancelled this morning at 10 am. with no apology or explanation. tony says , sam, sam must be some of says, sam, sam must be some of you are read out earlier. sam's not wrong. before supermarkets started home deliveries, how did you get your shopping? because lots of you are saying how inconvenienced you are, kenneth says hi pip, why not take the kids shopping? that was in response to somebody saying that tesco, sorry, sainsbury's customers should get off their

backside and just go into the supermarket themselves rather than waiting for their delivery, leslie says when my two children were young, i took them shopping to supermarket every week. to a supermarket every week. i had taught them to behave. but the is, that the problem is, is that everybody things their everybody has things in their diaries. your it diaries. leslie, your kids. it might to take might not be convenient to take your might your kids with you. they might have for have to go somewhere else for the afternoon , hannah, it's not the afternoon, hannah, it's not just sainsbury's online deliveries . i arrived at my deliveries. i arrived at my local sainsbury's store at 9 am. to be told that everything was off. smart shop not working, contactless payments not working, no internet nor no wireless. absolute chaos. that does sound like a nightmare. hannah and margaret i'm waiting for a delivery from sainsbury's. i'm recovering from surgery . not i'm recovering from surgery. not able to go to the store. not sure if i'm going to get my delivery, margaret, i do hope you get yourself sorted out. sainsbury's are saying i think, that you can order online and it looks like you'll get your delivery early next week, but we'll bring you the latest with what sainsbury's are saying very shortly . but what i want to do

shortly. but what i want to do first to you about first is talk to you about vaughan gething, because it was announced earlier today announced a little earlier today that he's replaced mark drakeford as the leader of welsh laboun drakeford as the leader of welsh labour, and he is set to become the next first minister of wales. the party announced that vaughan gething had won the leadership race, beating jeremy miles by a fairly narrow margin. it has to be said, following mark dreyfus resignation late last year. let's take a look at what the new first minister had to say. >> when your backs against the wall, you want welsh people by your side and we'll be there . your side and we'll be there. it's no coincidence that the nhs had its roots here in wales. no coincidence. the heroism and the solidarity shown through the miners strike. no coincidence that welsh people are working around the world to build peace and heal division . in times of and heal division. in times of strife, we unite, we organise, we succeed . we succeed. >> well, joining me now is gb

news political correspondent at olivia utley. good afternoon to you, olivia. i mean, a momentous day for vaughan gething. congratulations to him. the first black leader in any european country . first black leader in any european country. he he is going to have some challenges though. just talk us through what those are likely to be. >> well, as you say, pip, it is a really historic moment for mark drakeford and for wales and isuppose mark drakeford and for wales and i suppose for europe as a whole. the first black leader of a european country, that said, it looks as though vaughan gething is honeymoon period is probably going to be pretty short. there are a lot of very urgent challenges facing wales. of course, some of those challenges are challenges have been inherited from his predecessor, mark drakeford. that 20 mile an hour driving limit across huge swathes of wales has proved deeply unpopular, and it will be really interesting to see what gething does about that. will he reverse that policy, or will he stick with it and try and gain some momentum there, he also has

to deal with a backlash from welsh farmers against a policy. drakeford introduced whereby they were told that to keep the subsidies that they receive, they would have to give over 10% of their agricultural land to environmental causes. so essentially, instead of farming on 10% of their land, they would have to grow trees. well, i was in cardiff a couple of weeks ago reporting on the farmers protest there. and they are very, very angry indeed. again is that something that gething will reverse or will he carry on in drakeford's image? then there are problems , which are problems are problems, which are problems which are also facing the rest of the uk, but are perhaps particularly acute in wales. nhs waiting lists being very high up there in wales there are 20% of people on nhs waiting list have waited a year or more to see a specialist consultant. now it's quite difficult to get an exact comparison with england, but the closest you can get is about 5%

in england. have been waiting a year or more to see a specialist consultant. that is a huge disparity and as we know, the knock on effect of long nhs waiting lists is a worklessness problem . that's what we're problem. that's what we're seeing here in england, where there are lots and lots of people of working age who are economically inactive because of long time sickness. that problem is even more acute in wales, and you could argue that vaughan gething is hardly a sort of, fresh slate for all of this, because he was the health minister during the covid crisis . a lot of challenges facing wales. gething has a lot of experience. he's been economic minister, he's been health minister, he's been health minister, but also he is inheriting all sorts of difficulties from his predecessor. and there are plenty of people who think he is very much in mark drakeford's image . anyone who wanted a image. anyone who wanted a break, a clean break from the current welsh leadership, will not be celebrating this morning. what's quite nice, what's quite easy for gething, which he's

talked about already, is we are probably looking at a labour government in the whole of the uk come the end of this year. that's what everyone is expecting . so we can expect the expecting. so we can expect the relationship between the senate and the welsh and the and the government here in, in england to be a much better than the relationship we've seen between the tories and mark drakeford in the tories and mark drakeford in the past. so that's a bit of a silver for, for getting silver lining for, for getting this morning against backdrop silver lining for, for getting this lot'ning against backdrop silver lining for, for getting this lot'nirchallenges backdrop silver lining for, for getting this lot'nirchallenges .backdrop of a lot of challenges. >> yeah. thanks very much. political correspondent olivia utley a just double checking there. vaughan is there. but vaughan gething is set officially wales's set to become officially wales's next first minister on wednesday. all the best wednesday. now for all the best analysis and opinion on that story and more , you can go to story and more, you can go to our website, gb news.com . i'm our website, gb news.com. i'm now from wales to westminster because has the penny dropped for the tories plots , we are for the tories plots, we are told, are apparently rife in the conservative party as right wing mps reportedly unite with moderates to replace rishi sunak with penny mordaunt , they

with penny mordaunt, they believe she would better appeal to centre ground voters and reclaim some of the ground lost to labour if the prime minister faced a confidence vote in the coming weeks. faced a confidence vote in the coming weeks . but would a change coming weeks. but would a change in leader at this stage really save the tories? well, joining me now is gb news, host of the saturday five albie amankona and political commentator and playwright emma burnell. really good to see you both this afternoon, albie. what do you think then of this suggestion? i mean, penny mordaunt, she's long been talked about as a potential tory leader , but really at what tory leader, but really at what is essentially the 11th hour, i think penny mordaunt, as leader of the conservative party is a brilliant idea, but not for now . brilliant idea, but not for now. >> i think it is absolutely for the birds to think that changing leader at this point, after all of the chaos of the last couple of the chaos of the last couple of years, would be the right thing to do. >> the sense i get from the pubuc >> the sense i get from the public and from our viewers and listeners is that it wouldn't

make one shred of difference who was leading the conservative party. >> i think needs to happen >> i think what needs to happen is conservative mps just is that conservative mps just need to behind sunak need to get behind rishi sunak and the prime minister himself needs to improve his operation at number 10 because his response to the tory race scandal this week involving frank hester and diane abbott this week was unacceptable. and he needs to do better. >> one comment i read today , one >> one comment i read today, one of you, which which did make me smile, was was rishi sunak is very good at missing an opportunity, missing an opportunity. he has every opportunity. he has every opportunity and he misses them in terms of when it comes to handung in terms of when it comes to handling crises. he's always behind the curve and there are people in the party who are not behind the curve , and i just behind the curve, and i just wish perhaps he would field advice from people to help him handle these situations better. >> we saw this week kwasi kwarteng and kemi badenoch come out before the prime minister and handle this issue better. so i think it's an issue of who he

takes advice from rather than the man himself. >> emma, what do you think ? >> emma, what do you think? penny mordaunt yes, potentially. but this is not the right time. >> if they'd elected penny mordaunt over rishi sunak when they had the chance, that probably would have been a better choice. >> but the idea that they could impose choose another unelected prime minister on a country and that would improve their chances. >> that's just crazy . >> that's just crazy. >> that's just crazy. >> the country are already cross at the chaos, as shelby said , at the chaos, as shelby said, this is just not the moment rishi has to face the electorate at a sooner rather than later, in my opinion. but i think the tories have to go into the electorate with the leader. >> they've got. >> they've got. >> could could penny mordaunt though, heal the factions, though, help heal the factions, the very different factions that we now see within the tory party? so could she help their image, even if they ultimately lose? could she improve their image going forward? >> every one who's come forward has said that that's what they're going to do. >> that was supposed to be

rishi's that he could rishi's big thing that he could bnng rishi's big thing that he could bring the tory party bring together the tory party honesty, , honesty, all honesty, integrity, honesty, all of that to honesty, integrity, honesty, all of fallen that to honesty, integrity, honesty, all of fallen by that to honesty, integrity, honesty, all of fallen by thet to honesty, integrity, honesty, all of fallen by the wayside o honesty, integrity, honesty, all of fallen by the wayside , have fallen by the wayside, particularly this week, as shelby's saying. shelby's been saying. yeah, there's no professionalism. that was one of the key things that rishi is going to bring, this sort of centrist professionalism. had professionalism. we've had neither centrist nor professional. we've lost honesty and integrity. i think he was trying to contrast himself to bofis trying to contrast himself to boris johnson, but he's just become the worst version of every aspect of what people think when they think badly of the conservatives and they don't. i mean, i'm of the left, as you know , but i think as you know, but i think sometimes people do think better of the conservatives than they do at the moment. and rishi has, instead of bringing the conservative reputation up, the conservatives have dragged his reputation right down. >> i think one thing i would say is that if we could actually focus on rishi sunaks record, since he's been in office, it would actually be a much better thing, which is why i say he

needs to handle situations better so he's not blown off course because inflation has been half. we been cut by more than a half. we have seen taxes come down. we have seen taxes come down. we have seen taxes come down. we have seen small boat crossings down by a third. we are seeing the economy growing and we are going to see debt falling as a proportion of gdp 2028. proportion of gdp by 2028. so he's on track to reaching all five of his pledges, but he keeps blown off course keeps getting blown off course by and not handling them by events and not handling them in proper and correct way in the proper and correct way events which i mean, the frank hester comment counts. >> racist comments were from what, 4 or 5 years ago, but he could have just come out straight away and dealt with that. and what seems to be the sort of get out of jail card is rishi sunak, britain's first asian prime minister it's got a very diverse cabinet, almost like, well , that's our defence. like, well, that's our defence. so there's no racism here. but that's not a get out of jail card, not a defence excuse anything. >> there's a phrase in political communications which is don't allow something become allow something to become a three day story. what? rishi has an unerring ability to do is

turn a two day story into a five day story with his arming and arring and indecision and inability to get to the place where we all know he's going to have to end up. and i think that's that's quite an extraordinary lack of ability, either from him or from his communications team or frankly, both . both. >> but we talk about omega nursing. i mean, we should say sir keir starmer when it comes to diane abbott, that's been going on for 11 months. >> oh, absolutely. >> oh, absolutely. >> taken the bull by the horns there. well, i mean, let me just ask alby about that . you know, ask alby about that. you know, there there is criticism there are there is criticism that labour is actually being quite hypocritical. >> well, compared pip, i mean, this investigation into diane abbott's anti—semitic letter in the observer, which wasn't even a page long. >> he's been going on for 11 months. i mean, how someone of the left can accuse rishi sunak of arming and arring because he took a couple of hours longer than we would liked to have than we would have liked to have got the position that got to get to the position that we was think is we knew was right, i think is a little rich. keir starmer

little bit rich. keir starmer has track record of arming and has a track record of arming and arming mind. arming and changing his mind. one supporting $28 one minute he's supporting $28 billion cause . billion for the climate cause. next minute he's not. one minute he free movement of people he wants free movement of people . next minute he doesn't want it. wants to it. one minute he wants to nationalise utilities. the nationalise our utilities. the next wants keep next minute he wants to keep them this is a problem them private. this is a problem of the left as well. >> i'm not saying that this this process been handled well. process has been handled well. what to say is when what i am able to say is when labour does things wrong, i can say even in election say it. even in an election yeah say it. even in an election year. but and i think that the 11 months is far too long, justice delayed is justice denied. there should be an answer for diane abbott one way or the other. there should be an answer, and i'm perfectly happy to that. and i don't think to say that. and i don't think that makes me hypocritical when to say that. and i don't think tialsorakes me hypocritical when to say that. and i don't think tialso criticise; hypocritical when to say that. and i don't think tialso criticise rishi >critical when to say that. and i don't think tialso criticise rishi sunak. when to say that. and i don't think tialso criticise rishi sunak for1en i also criticise rishi sunak for being appalling at his communications and decision making. >> okay, well, it's really interesting. there was lots more i wanted to ask you about, including what happened with diane abbott in the house of commons. could that come to commons. could that come back to haunt hoyle, example haunt lindsay hoyle, for example ? maybe, can talk ? but maybe, maybe we can talk about another hour.

about that in another hour. unfortunately, time is always runs away with us. but thank you both. you are with me. pip tomson on gb news saturday. good afternoon to you. lots more coming up on today's show. pro—palestinian protests are taking place in cities across the country today. they are calling for a ceasefire in gaza. they are the first marches to happen since michael gove earlier this week unveiled the government's new definition of extremism . we will be reporting extremism. we will be reporting from one of the protests. in fact , those are live pictures. fact, those are live pictures. now, i can't actually see how well attended they are . we'll well attended they are. we'll get more idea of that from our reporter theo chikomba very shortly. you're with britain's news channel. it's .

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saturday with me, pip tomson. and what a day. if you're an onune and what a day. if you're an online supermarket shopper, it's turning into a shocker. sainsbury's and tesco now frantically trying to fix a technical issue . tesco. we technical issue. tesco. we talked about sainsbury's earlier, tesco now saying that it's cancelling some of its onune it's cancelling some of its online orders that were due for deliberate delivery today. sainsbury's admitting that they cannot fulfil the vast majority of their online grocery deliveries. it's causing issues with contactless payments at some stores, so chaos at two of the country's two major supermarkets. roger. good afternoon . you say, all afternoon. you say, all sainsbury's computers down, all tesco's computers down. strange that apparently these problems occurred overnight. the conspiracy theories are going to start, aren't they? barbara? i have a delivery due today , this have a delivery due today, this lunchtime. i'm reliant on delivery because of disability . delivery because of disability. however, i do have porridge and tins in the cupboard. barbara i

do hope you've got some neighbours as well that might be able to assist you to billy. delivery due again this lunchtime, you're stuck and we've got loads more people getting in touch saying they just cannot get their online deliveries and they are having to get to the supermarket instead, keep letting us know how you are being affected . if how you are being affected. if you actually want to. come on, talk to me, we can get that sorted as well. we want to know what is going on because it is now tesco. it's also been sainsbury's huge problems today. people expecting their online deliveries today are not going to be able to get them until earlier next week and are being advised to reorder . now let's advised to reorder. now let's talk now about these pro—palestinian protests that are happening once again in cities across the country. they are calling for a ceasefire in gaza because of that massacre that happened on october the

7th, which has unleashed that, israeli israeli defence. and then in gaza, we now hear that then in gaza, we now hear that the death toll is over 31,000 people. now, these are the first marches to go ahead since michael gove unveiled the government's new definition of extremism earlier this month, prime minister rishi sunak warned that britain's multi—ethnic democracy was being undermined by both islamist and far right extremists. well, joining me now is gb news national reporter theo chikomba, who is at one of the protests. theo, it looks like it's underway. how well attended is it this afternoon ? it this afternoon? >> well, now, i'd say there's several hundred people now just over my right shoulder. we can just see them. they've been walking from the islamic centre in, just around mile from in, just just around a mile from here, actually in woolwich. and now they're here in the town centre. and as we've been speaking to some of them, as they've walking and they're they've been walking and they're saying is a really saying this is a really

important that we to important issue that we want to highlight, considering the political the political noise among the clamour that we've been hearing in the last couple of days. now, of course, michael gove this week announced a new definition for extremism, which includes , for extremism, which includes, well, he says it's for those who, say that there's, there's, there's been issues like this, particularly with extremism in protest, like this one that we're seeing here in woolwich today. now, of course, we've been speaking to some of them, here as they were coming towards this location. and this is what they have to say. this location. and this is what thei have to say. this location. and this is what thei want to say. this location. and this is what the i want to say. this location. and this is what thei want to express solidarity >> i want to express solidarity with people of gaza and with the people of gaza and palestinians in general. >> i'm a i'm totally against what i'm well, what the >> i'm a i'm totally against what i'm well , what the israelis what i'm well, what the israelis are trying to do in effectively is genocide. >> they call us anti—semites. and i'm jewish myself. so it's just absolutely ridiculous, really is. >> well, hundreds of thousands of people have marched in the main national demonstrations over the last five months. opinion polls show between two

thirds and three quarters of the pubuc thirds and three quarters of the public support the demand for an immediate ceasefire. >> so, yes, all the many, many rallies i've spoken at over the last few months have all been extremely well attended, and that's reflective of british pubuc that's reflective of british public opinion. >> and rishi sunak and keir starmer would both be well advised to listen to it. >> that's what needs to be happening. >> yes, you know, we need to we need to more than we're doing need to do more than we're doing now , and just bringing more now, and just bringing more people in, you know . people in, you know. >> well, groups like this one have said they condemn the statement that michael gove put out this week, referring to that new definition of extremism, and that they say people in israel are suffering with starvation and a lack of food shortage in the nation. and they're saying we're having to come out every week so that people in government can hear what we have to say about the issue ongoing in the of israel. and in the nation of israel. and they are also saying that

actually we should have the opportunity to come out here considering these new laws may end up silencing groups who are highlighting that the issues happening in their communities now, of course , this new now, of course, this new definition is saying that people who say things like what we've been seeing, particularly with extremism, some of the banners that we've seen in central london, for example, and they're trying to kerb that and to stop people are doing that. but for now, though, it's lots of people have turned up and they will be here for the rest of the afternoon as the rally starts to take here in town take place here in the town centre woolwich . centre in woolwich. >> chikomba, thanks >> bucha theo chikomba, thanks very bringing us that very much for bringing us that update from one of the protests that's happening across the country today. good afternoon. you're tomson for you're with me, pip tomson for gb news saturday. lots more coming up on today's show. first, let's get the latest on this. well, meltdown this it meltdown that's going on with sainsbury's and tesco today from

tatiana . tatiana. >> pip thank you. the top stories from the gb news room. economy minister vaughan gething has been elected as the welsh labour leader, and he'll succeed mark drakeford as the first minister of wales. he beat his only rival , the education only rival, the education minister jeremy miles. mr ministerjeremy miles. mr gething won't take over as first minister until wednesday, when a vote will be held in the senate after 25 years of devolution . he after 25 years of devolution. he says he remains committed to the cause. says he remains committed to the cause . tory mps have reportedly cause. tory mps have reportedly held secret talks to oust the prime minister and install penny mordaunt as the leader of the conservatives, according to the telegraph . a meeting has taken telegraph. a meeting has taken place between a group of right wing tories and mps who supported mr mordaunt in the previous two leadership elections. this comes after a week that saw former tory deputy chairman lee anderson joined the reform uk party, and rishi sunak rule out a general election in early may. and, as you've been

hearing, thousands of shoppers won't get their online groceries delivered today. sainsbury have announced that they can't fulfil most of their online orders because of an error with an overnight software update. the company also says that some shops are affected as well due to issues contactless to issues with contactless payments. they say they're working to the issue working hard to fix the issue and tesco has also been hit with and tesco has also been hit with an it breakdown. also affecting home . motorists have home deliveries. motorists have been avoiding the m25 after the first ever planned daytime closure began late last night . closure began late last night. drivers have been warned to stay away from a five mile stretch in surrey between junctions ten and 11, which has been shut until 6:00 monday morning. an 11.5 mile diversion route has been created to direct motorway traffic along a roads. for the latest stories , you can sign up latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen . or the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gbnews.com/alerts . you can go to gbnews.com/alerts. now back to . pip.

now back to. pip. >> thanks very much, tatiana . >> thanks very much, tatiana. yes, do keep your comments coming in about what's going on with sainsbury's and tesco. absolute chaos when it comes to your online shopping. a vet. good afternoon. you make the point. about what? about those people who can't afford to pay again , she says that some of again, she says that some of these supermarkets take up to five days to give you a refund. your daughter in law's just had to borrow money from you to go shopping. has shopping. not everyone has a back up plan, but there is some good news because . because, good news because. because, susan, you live out in the welsh countryside. your delivery from sainsbury's was booked between 10 and 11 this morning, and it has just arrived. you are very happy. has just arrived. you are very happy . well, good for you, happy. well, good for you, susan, but we are getting reports that lots of problems with sainsbury's today and also loads of problems with tesco. so keep your experiences coming in won't you? vaiews@gbnews.com

lots more coming up including. there's a new report delving into the state of the nation's teeth. how are your teeth today? 1 in 3 people apparently have untreated dental issues, but how is the cost of living crisis affected our oral hygiene ? let affected our oral hygiene? let us know. what do you think? i'm pip tomson, you're with gb news, britain's news

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. channel. >> welcome back to gb news saturday with me, pip tomson on your tv, online and on digital radio. and lots of you are talking to us about this it meltdown going on first with sainsbury's and now within the last hour we're hearing about tesco as well. alex you're due to have a delivery today from sainsbury's. you can't leave the house to shop as you have a broken leg and you've got no family or friends locally because you live rurally no communication of the issues pnor communication of the issues prior to seeing this on the news you've rebooked for tomorrow. okay, well that's good. you waited for nearly an hour to get through to someone . well, alex, through to someone. well, alex, it does sound like you're getting sorted out, but stay with us here because we'll be bringing you the very latest on this. but i'm so sorry that so many of you are having problems , many of you are having problems, jen. you say, surely this is where councils need to step where our councils need to step up. they have lists of those with mobility problems that would online shopping. why with mobility problems that

wotthey online shopping. why with mobility problems that wotthey notonline shopping. why with mobility problems that wotthey not getting hopping. why with mobility problems that wotthey not getting involved why with mobility problems that wot'helping getting involved why with mobility problems that wot'helping we ting involved why with mobility problems that wot'helping we pay involved why with mobility problems that wot'helping we pay enougthhy and helping we pay enough council tax, keith , we live 20 council tax, keith, we live 20 miles from the nearest supermarket and we use the delivery service . the truck does delivery service. the truck does upward of 12 deliveries each time goes if we all got time it goes out. if we all got into our cars, there'd be 11 more vehicles on road and 11 more vehicles on the road and 11 times pollution deliveries. times the pollution deliveries. not just convenient as is not just convenient as it is ecologically sound . so all good ecologically sound. so all good thoughts for you. thanks very much. do keep them coming in gb views at gb news. com now let's talk about teeth. how are your teeth? did you brush your teeth this morning. do you brush your teeth twice a day? well somebody is about to come. he's going to be telling us that we absolutely need regular brushing need to because regular brushing is such an important part of oral . and a new report oral hygiene. and a new report delving into the state of the nation's teeth has found that 1 in 3 of us have untreated dental issues, and 30% of people have switched to cheaper brands of toothpaste and brushes due to the rising costs, the cost of

living that many households are struggling with. well, joining me now is dentist and influencer doctor serena seagal . good doctor serena seagal. good afternoon to you, doctor seagal. really to good see you. well, you know, many people who are doing their online grocery orders today with sainsbury's and probably order and tesco probably did order toothpaste and then got nicked and they might have run out because it's not arrived today . because it's not arrived today. but brand of toothpaste but is the brand of toothpaste super important here, or is it more about the toothbrush ? more about the toothbrush? because i was told a long time ago by my dentist . electric ago by my dentist. electric toothbrush pip that is the way toothbrush pip that is the way to go . to go. >> you are exactly right. >> you are exactly right. >> i mean, the action of mechanically removing plaque. >> so using a brush is much more effective than the brand of toothpaste itself. >> but in terms of the ingredient in toothpaste that we're looking for, it's something called fluoride. and fluoride is essential to help remineralize and strengthen our teeth . teeth. >> so that's an ingredient because we see a lot of

toothpaste being sold on the market that actually don't have any fluoride in there. >> actually your teeth are >> and actually your teeth are not extra not getting that extra protection. really protection. so it's really important use a toothpaste important to use a toothpaste with fluoride. and terms with fluoride. and in terms of brushing, using an electric toothbrush is just much easier. you know, you're brushing your teeth first thing the teeth first thing in the morning, at night. morning, last thing at night. you're bit tired you're going to be a bit tired in times. using an in those times. so using an electric you just electric toothbrush, you just hold against your tooth and hold it against your tooth and gum does the work for you. >> so it's just much easier in my opinion. >> so it's just much easier in my opiryou have to use your >> but you have to use your electric toothbrush properly . electric toothbrush properly. there is there is a way to doing it, isn't it? and also , as with it, isn't it? and also, as with any toothbrush, electric or not, it's getting to those back teeth that's the problem. and that's where all the plaque can end up. >> you're exactly right . yeah. >> you're exactly right. yeah. there is a technique of actually brushing your teeth, although it sounds really simple with an electric toothbrush, you have to hold it against the tooth in the gum. >> ideally you want a pressure sensor in that toothbrush, so you exactly you're you know exactly when you're pressing hard . pressing too hard. >> but if you're using a manual toothbrush, move it

toothbrush, you need to move it around and small circular motions. >> but actually, what i see is people who use manual toothbrushes, they tend to over scrub and over brush, which can actually lead to gum recession and your enamel thinning. long term >> and what's the key to when you brush your teeth ? so you brush your teeth? so sometimes i will get up in the morning and i will have breakfast, and then i'll brush my teeth . is that wrong? my teeth. is that wrong? >> unfortunately that's wrong . >> unfortunately that's wrong. >> unfortunately that's wrong. >> so the best time to brush your teeth is first thing in the morning. >> as soon you wake up, if >> as soon as you wake up, if you're brushing after eat you're brushing after you eat and breakfast. you're brushing after you eat ancessentiallyzfast. you're brushing after you eat anc essentially when you eat, >> essentially when you eat, your in an acidic your mouth goes in an acidic state, and if you're brushing your teeth straight after you eat, you're brushing your teeth in acidic state. in that weakened, acidic state. so your teeth are actually under attack, and they're much more vulnerable, and you can actually do harm than good. so we do more harm than good. so we would never recommend to brush your a meal your teeth straight after a meal , wait at least an hour, or , wait at least half an hour, or brush teeth before brush your teeth before breakfast. it'sjust brush your teeth before breakfast. it's just the better way to do things. brushing first

thing thing you do thing and last thing you do before then can carry on >> and then you can carry on your day. >> and what you say to >> and what would you say to those people who who quite, quite legitimately well , quite legitimately say, well, this is all very well and good, you dishing out this all very valuable advice. but the main problem i get an problem here is i can't get an nhs dentist and my teeth are in a right state, and no amount of brushing to that brushing is going to fix that until do until i see a dentist. what do they do ? they do? >> i totally appreciate that and it is so hard to get an appointment right now. there's loads different loads of different factors involved . it's so hard due to involved. it's so hard due to covid. also, covid played a huge part . there's covid. also, covid played a huge part. there's still a huge backlog aren't backlog of patients that aren't being today . backlog of patients that aren't being today. rising cost of being seen today. rising cost of living. you it makes it living. as you said, it makes it very difficult for people to even afford brushes, toothpaste , even afford brushes, toothpaste, things like that. and that's why i'm really excited to partner with superdrug , who actually with superdrug, who actually have reduction price have a 20% reduction in price across a huge range of dental products, which is the equivalent of vat to encourage those to brush better at home. because it really does start with prevention . a lot of dental with prevention. a lot of dental diseases are preventable. tooth

decay , gum disease, and of decay, gum disease, and of course, if it gets to a certain level, they need to have treatment by a dentist . but we treatment by a dentist. but we can actually prevent a lot of these diseases from happening. so that's what we're trying to encourage. we're trying to make dental products by superdrug more accessible , more affordable more accessible, more affordable so that people can prevent these diseases from happening in the first place. but i totally sympathise. it's so hard to get an appointment with an nhs dentist for treatment at the moment. what i would definitely recommend is dental insurance that can help you get access to a dentist quicker and keep trying with your dentist because they have emergency appointments, they have cancellations, so keep trying on those waiting lists . those waiting lists. >> yeah, and of course there is lots of choice out there. there's of shops you can go there's lots of shops you can go to, you want get your to, if you want to get your toothbrush , your electric toothbrush, your electric toothbrush. there's a huge range of these of electric toothbrushes these days , and all your flossing days, and all your flossing products so thank you, products as well. so thank you, doctor. serena segal. really valuable advice there. and

something very simple. just don't eat as many sweets as nice as they are. maybe just cut back as they are. maybe just cut back a little bit on those. i know i will. you're with me. pip tomson on gb news saturday. great to have company this have your company this afternoon. up afternoon. lots more coming up on show. we will of on today's show. we will of course be keeping you up to date with what is going on with onune with what is going on with online deliveries at sainsbury's and tesco today. yep, two two of our major supermarkets on the same day experiencing huge problems and we're also talking about doggies as oh my, one of my favourite subjects. it's been scientifically proven that dogs. i mean i don't need to say this, i mean i don't need to say this, i know this already. they really are man's and woman's best friend. stay tuned to find out more. we've got a little guest in the studio.

hello again. welcome back to gb news saturday with me, pip tomson. we're having a little pip tomson. we're having a little pip talk this afternoon on your tv, online and on digital radio. so lots of you still getting in touch with your thoughts about this it meltdown that is affecting sainsbury's and tesco's customers. i mean , what tesco's customers. i mean, what a day all on the same day online deliveries down sainsbury's say they are accepting cash and chip and pin purchases. barbara good for you because you say you've just had your delivery on time, so that's great to know that it's not right the board. it's not right across the board. vanessa you say, goodness me, if people can't have their food delivery delayed by one day, then they must be the only ones who not have sort of who do not have some sort of food in cupboard or food left in the cupboard or freezer. eat the tinned freezer. time to eat the tinned or food that usually or frozen food that usually gets left . sarah, i understand people

left. sarah, i understand people that can't get out of the house, but you have to think, how did we go about it? years ago? people are reliant on home people are too reliant on home delivery now, but if do rely delivery now, but if you do rely on you've got your time on it and you've got your time slot , it can knock on slot, it can have a knock on effect. if delivery doesn't effect. if your delivery doesn't arrive, cause all sorts arrive, it can cause all sorts of problems. but thank you for all thoughts. them all your thoughts. keep them coming in. i to get on coming in. now i want to get on to little guest in the to our little guest in the studio, because it has been scientifically proven that dogs really are man's best friend . really are man's best friend. well, if you're a dog owner like me, of course you knew this, didn't you? now they work this out because groups play out because groups told to play with little as three with dogs for as little as three minutes a boost to minutes experienced a boost to concentration and lower stress levels, and participants said they were less tired, their depression and stress level eased and that was after they played with the doggies. they fed them, groomed them, hugged them and walked them. now i say, i know all this because i have three three little treasures. there's robin bin dee and billy, my tibetan terrier, who's

actually 50 years old now, and my dogs , they are, quite my dogs, they are, quite frankly, my world. some of you will find this disgusting, but there's little robin who is a bit of a licker. i take him to bed with me every night and i'm completely unapologetic about that, because i do wash my bed sheets at 60 degrees almost every day . so joining me to talk every day. so joining me to talk about this is dog behaviourist and trainer anna webb and her lovely little english toy terrier, 12 year old mr binks. he is shaking a little bit, i know. is that normal for the breed ? breed? >> it is. >> it is. >> it's normal for mr binks, because, you know, he's a rehome, so i've only had him ten out of his 12 years and in his first two years, lots of things happened, like a broken leg and other things . so this is just a other things. so this is just a bit of a. yeah, recurrence from his past. >> what has mr binks done for you, anna? i mean, you as a dog owner like me would would completely understand this

study, but you know, some people are cat people. just explain to me what, for you is that unique relationship that exists between humans and dogs. >> i think the unique relationship is this teamwork that you build with a dog. it's the fact that they don't judge us. you know, they all dogs want is really to have fun. and i think part of the problem with relationships with dogs and humans at the moment is that we transfer a lot of our own stresses to our dogs, and we consider dogs as little people , consider dogs as little people, little people in furry suits. and if you do that , i think you and if you do that, i think you can have a lot of problems because lots of messages get lost in translation because, you know , dogs don't really know, dogs don't really understand speech, for example. so i think what this study proves is that by tapping into working with your dog, playing with your dog, taking your own for dog walks shows that you can really build this relationship from a dog's point of view, which, you know, means that, you

know, you're right. >> if he's if he's more comfortable, no. >> he's fine. >> he's fine. >> leather sofa. >> leather sofa. >> no , he's well, it's a very >> no, he's well, it's a very nice thing. >> oh, he's oh, he's happier there. >> that's better. good to see. that's good, so. yeah so that's good, yes. so. yeah so this study, it's one of hundreds that proves that dogs are man's best friend. you know, other studies have proved that dog owners live longer than non—dog owners. dog owners smile more than non—dog. but it is that act of just touching and cuddling dog. >> it completely calms you down and you know, when i come home, ihave and you know, when i come home, i have three of the little horrors. all they want to do is just be cuddled. they want to go out for their walk . it gets me out for their walk. it gets me outdoors. i mean, i talk absolute nonsense to them, but i swear to god they understand every word i'm saying . every word i'm saying. >> i know, but i think it goes further than just doing a lot of cuddling. think dogs really cuddling. i think dogs really love love to love boundaries. dogs love to learn , you know? that's why learn, you know? and that's why in these people only in this study, these people only spent minutes perhaps spent three minutes perhaps playing with the caveat in this

study was, which i found interesting, a well behaved dog. because if you think you're playing with a dog that playing fetch with a dog that bnngs playing fetch with a dog that brings the ball back you brings the ball back to you every fun , that's every time, that's fun, that's relaxing, that's teamwork. but if fetch with the if you're playing fetch with the dog that you throw the ball and the dog disappears the the dog disappears around the park the ball, you park with the ball, and you spend rest of your time in spend the rest of your time in the trying your the park trying to catch your dog ball. dog with the ball. that's a different experience that builds stress, that can build stress, and that can build frustration dog and frustration between the dog and the owner. so i did find that interesting something, interesting and something, you know , i'm very to see know, i'm very keen to see amongst dog community amongst the dog owning community at is more training, at the moment is more training, you know, more activities with your dog. >> we also have to work a little more into tapping into our dogs emotions. i think many times emotions. i think too many times that saying i chat to my. that i joke saying i chat to my. ichat that i joke saying i chat to my. i chat to my dogs thinking they understand what saying . but understand what i'm saying. but i we think expect them to i think we think expect them to think like us. or we need to think like us. or we need to think more like a dog when it comes. >> exactly. that's what i mean. they're not little people in a furry suit. >> they're complicated. >> they're complicated. >> they're complicated. >> they are very connected. >> they're complicated. >> like' are very connected. >> they're complicated.

>> like this very connected. >> they're complicated. >> like this and connected. >> they're complicated. >> like this and theiriected. >> they're complicated. >> like this and their owni >> they're complicated. >> like this and their own way, and they're sensitive. >> like this and their own way, anc they 're sensitive. >> like this and their own way, ancthey are sensitive. >> like this and their own way, ancthey are very;ensitive. >> like this and their own way, ancthey are very emotionally >> they are very emotionally intelligent. and, you know, the worry think they are worry is if you think they are a little person in a furry suit you're going to miss, go . you're going to miss, go. >> i'm so sorry. we have to dash to weather, binks can to the weather, mr binks can stay, though. your stay, though. here's your weather coming now . weather forecast coming up now. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. so a cloudier afternoon for most of us, with rain very much on its way across the uk. this all due to an area of low pressure moving its way towards the uk through the rest of saturday and into the start of saturday and into the start of sunday. so those cloudier skies across much of the uk and some rain for northern some heavy rain for northern ireland, and of ireland, wales and parts of southwest will push southwest england that will push its way into parts of scotland through evening, turning through this evening, turning particularly heavy across southern some southern areas and even some snow hills . there'll be snow for the hills. there'll be a brief, drier interlude across the half the uk

the southern half of the uk before further rain pushes its way eastwards into the way north and eastwards into the early of sunday morning, early hours of sunday morning, leaving night. lows leaving a very mild night. lows of only 10 or 11 degrees of only around 10 or 11 degrees across england wales across much of england and wales , across parts of northern ireland scotland, ireland and scotland, though a bit start to bit of a chillier start to sunday and some brighter skies. so we go so some sunshine as we go through sunday morning. further south wales . south across england and wales. once that rain clears its way eastwards, there will be some sunshine developing here too, particularly into the particularly as we head into the afternoon. there will afternoon. however, there will be some bubbling up and be some showers bubbling up and these particularly these could turn particularly heavy across the midlands. another very mild day. temperatures above temperatures widely above average for the time of year, with of 15 or 16 degrees. with highs of 15 or 16 degrees. as monday starts, a little drier again for most of us, a band of rain slowly pushes its way eastwards through monday morning, a and morning, leaving a dry and bright afternoon for most of us. plenty of sunshine on offer and temperatures remaining temperatures still remaining above average for time of above average for the time of yean be above average for the time of year, be a changeable year, it will be a changeable rest week , with further rest of the week, with further interludes some dry interludes of rain and some dry spells, those temperatures spells, and those temperatures staying above average. >> feeling inside from >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather

on . gb news. on. gb news. >> thanks very much. elianne i do want to say thank you very much to mr binks and to anna, because i did cut you off there. but i understand completely the point making point that you were making having a dog is like having a child. is huge child. it is a huge responsibility and just don't have them if you haven't got the time them. you both so time for them. thank you both so much coming in. lots more much for coming in. lots more coming today's coming up on today's show. sainsbury's and tesco. huge problems online deliveries problems with online deliveries today. we'll bring

next. good afternoon. welcome to gb news saturday, i'm pip tomson, and for the next 60 minutes, i'll be keeping you company on tv, online and on digital radio. keeping you up to date on the stories that matter to you. what is coming up? well sainsbury's and tesco now say they will not

be able to fulfil the vast majority of online deliveries today because of technical issues. customers have been contacting the supermarket on social media to report issues with their online orders. two of our major supermarkets on the same day. could this be a cyber attack ? whilst the church of attack? whilst the church of england slavery fund a little like bribery ? well, that's what like bribery? well, that's what one tory peer seems to think . one tory peer seems to think. why? well, we're going to be finding out the fund was set up to invest in members of disadvantaged black communities. but the man who led the but now the man who led the inquiry into racial inequality says the church's investment scheme is, i quote for show. is he right ? and scheme is, i quote for show. is he right? and pro—palestinian protests are taking place across the country calling for a ceasefire in gaza. they're the first marches to happen since michael gove unveiled the government's new definition of

extremism . we are, of course, extremism. we are, of course, get plenty of reaction to that. it meltdown first, it was sainsbury's, now it was tesco for example. we mike says we've come from sainsbury's in hove. chip and pin is not working. most credit cards are not accepted. debit cards appear to be okay. what is your experience? what problems is it causing you? do let me know. gb views at gb news.com. let's get your latest then on that it meltdown and the rest of the day's headlines with tatiana . day's headlines with tatiana. >> pip thank you. and as you've just been hearing, thousands of shoppers won't get their online groceries delivered today. sainsbury's and tesco have both said their it systems have

suffered technical issues , suffered technical issues, meaning they can't fulfil online orders. sainsbury's say that some shops were affected as well due to issues with contact less payments, and they're working hard to fix the issue . tesco hard to fix the issue. tesco says they're sorry for the inconvenience . economy minister inconvenience. economy minister vaughan gething has been elected as the welsh labour leader, and he'll succeed mark drakeford as the first minister of wales. he beat his only rival, the education minister, jeremy miles. mr gething won't take over first minister until over as first minister until wednesday, when a vote will be held the senate after 25 held in the senate after 25 years of devolution. he says he remains committed to the course. >> today we turn a page in the book of our nation's history , a book of our nation's history, a history that we write together, not just because i have the honour of becoming the first black leader in any european country , but because a country, but because a generational dial has jumped to like ken and jane. devolution is not something that i have had to

get used to or to adapt to, or to apologise for. devolution. welsh solutions to welsh problems and opportunities is in my blood. >> tory mps have reportedly held secret talks to oust the prime minister and to install penny mordaunt as leader of the conservatives, to according the telegraph, a meeting has taken place between a group of right wing tories and mps who supported mr mordaunt the supported mr mordaunt in the previous two leadership elections. this comes after a week that saw former tory deputy chairman lee anderson join the reform uk party and rishi sunak rule out a general election in early may. senior political analyst at orthodox conservatives david moore told gb news the change might be what's needed to boost public confidence. >> conservative party have had so many leaders. i think people are frustrated , the membership are frustrated, the membership is frustrated, the voters are frustrated. in fact, apathetic . frustrated. in fact, apathetic. a lot of voters are very worried about getting out to vote at the moment, and we need some

certainty, quite frankly, we certainty, quite frankly, and we need conservative need strong conservative leadership. now, some people think mordaunt as think and see penny mordaunt as a vehicle for that. with a strong background defence at strong background in defence at the moment. a lot of people are very unhappy at the moment and the membership especially, but at the general at the moment the general election looming, this could election is looming, this could be may, could in be in may, this could be in october, but the conservatives need to come into that election. united >> the female employee suspended by formula one, red bull, has formally appealed against the decision to clear team principal christian horner of controlling behaviour . christian horner of controlling behaviour. she made the allegation earlier this month but was suspended as a direct result of red bull's inquiry into her allegation . horner was into her allegation. horner was allowed to continue in his role when he was cleared of any wrongdoing , when he was cleared of any wrongdoing, and motorists when he was cleared of any wrongdoing , and motorists have wrongdoing, and motorists have been avoiding the m25 after the first ever planned daytime closure began late last night. drivers have been warned to stay away from a five mile stretch in surrey between junctions ten and 11, which has been shut until 6:00 monday morning. gb news

south—east of england reporter ray addison has been tracking developments . developments. >> now i'm here on the edge of the m25. you can see traffic behind me approaching junction 11, southbound , and now 11, heading southbound, and now they're being forced to take that exit because of that five mile closure. they'll be taken on an 11.5 mile diversion through several villages, causing locals to be very concerned about gridlocked traffic. national highways, though, has warned people not to travel unless absolutely necessary , and it seems so far necessary, and it seems so far that warning has been heeded . that warning has been heeded. >> for all of the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gb news common alerts. now back to . pip. back to. pip. >> thanks very much, tatiana . >> thanks very much, tatiana. let's bring you up to date then with what on earth is going on at two of our biggest

supermarkets , sainsbury's and supermarkets, sainsbury's and tesco, on the very same day , say tesco, on the very same day, say they've been hit with technical issues . sainsbury's customers issues. sainsbury's customers unable to make contactless payments following an overnight software update, which meant that the firm was not able to fulfil most of its online deliveries. and then tesco's had to cancel some online orders that were due to for delivery as well. both chains have apologised to customers and they are of course working frantically to solve the issue. lots of you getting in touch about this and lots of you affected. amanda, you say ? well, affected. amanda, you say? well, it's not a glitch. you think a cyber attack can be the only answer? peter. my delivery from tesco. this evening was cancelled this morning. they're both blaming it on technical difficulties. the chances of those difficulties happening on the same day being a coincidence. well, you think they are next to zero? well, our reporter theo chikomba, our gb

news national reporter has hot footed it to a sainsbury's superstore market. what's happening there, theo? is it extra busy today because of this issue with online delivery ? is issue with online delivery? is what are people telling you ? what are people telling you? >> well, what are the chances of two of the biggest supermarkets in the country ? not one, but two in the country? not one, but two of them having technical issues. so we're at sainsbury's at the moment in woolwich and sainsbury's. the ceo has put out a statement today saying that they overnight update and they did an overnight update and now the system isn't working as it do. now. the vast it should do. now. the vast majority of orders, they say , majority of orders, they say, won't be delivered today, and those people who have ordered won't be charged for those orders that they've placed today. now we have to think about those people who aren't able to come to supermarkets, perhaps those who are disabled able to come to supermarkets, periothers)se who are disabled able to come to supermarkets, periothers who /ho are disabled able to come to supermarkets, periothers who use, re disabled able to come to supermarkets, periothers who use, youisabled able to come to supermarkets, periothers who use, you know,i able to come to supermarkets, periothers who use, you know, we and others who use, you know, we live in a digital age now where people rely on digital platforms. we're all going onune platforms. we're all going online now and ordering so that we can get what we need

delivered to our doorstep. and they won't be able to get those, but they do go on to say that they're hoping the situation will by tomorrow . will be resolved by tomorrow. and then we also have tesco, another supermarket in the another big supermarket in the uk. affecting. this is also affecting thousands of their customers across the nation, and they say they've had a technical issue today as saying that some of those deliveries or hundreds of those deliveries or hundreds of deliveries won't be of those deliveries won't be delivered of course, delivered today. now, of course, this is a day where most people are off work and having to come into supermarkets or actually being at home and expecting their deliveries to come today, perhaps they had a meal plan for this evening, which they won't now be able to unless they're now be able to do unless they're able to a tesco able to get to a tesco superstore or something like this one. interestingly, though, i've spoken to some customers coming out of the shop. one lady just a few moments ago told me they're having a technical glitch inside. it's not working as it should do, and they had to put their card in. and as we arrived here, we tried at the cash dispenserjust arrived here, we tried at the cash dispenser just over my right shoulder and it's saying

we sorry able to we are sorry we are not able to withdraw help you withdraw withdraw and help you withdraw any your cash afternoon. any of your cash this afternoon. so a busy day today. the customer services, i'm sure the phones are ringing people phones are ringing as people were expecting happen . oh, were expecting to happen. oh, there you go . there you go. >> sorry, i think we just cut you off very briefly there. we just just had a bit of a sound issue. but thank you very much for bringing the there for bringing the latest there from sainsbury's . we from outside sainsbury's. we will of course, bring you bang up to date with what is happening because it is quite a day. if you are a sainsbury's or tesco customer, is it as simple as technical glitch? two as a technical glitch? two supermarkets or on the on the same day or is it something more? we'll let you know. but customers , sainsbury's customers, sainsbury's customers, sainsbury's customers, they have been sent a letter from the chief executive, simon roberts. it's a long letter . i'll simon roberts. it's a long letter. i'll just read you part of it and it says dear valued customer , you may have seen in customer, you may have seen in the news this morning that we're experiencing a technical issue which our groceries which has affected our groceries onune and which has affected our groceries online and some online deliveries today and some services in our stores. wanted

to let you know about this as soon as possible. what it means for want to apologise for you. want to apologise to you and customer you've you and every customer if you've been issue been affected by this issue today , really understand how today, really understand how inconvenient this disruption to your service from your usual service from sainsbury's will be this weekend. so that is a statement from simon roberts apologising and they are working frantically to get on top of it. and they are working frantically to get on top of it . well let's to get on top of it. well let's go to wales and tell you about vaughan gething , because he has vaughan gething, because he has replaced mark drakeford today as the leader of welsh labour and will officially become the next first minister of wales next week. a little earlier, the party announced that vaughan gething had won the leadership race, beating jeremy miles following mark dreyfus resignation late last year. let's look at what the new first minister said. >> when your backs against the wall, you want welsh people by your side and we'll be there. it's no coincidence that the nhs had its roots here in wales. no

coincidence. the heroism and the solidarity shown through the miners strike. no coincidence that welsh people are working around the world to build peace and heal division in times of strife, we unite. we organise , strife, we unite. we organise, we succeed . we succeed. >> well, joining me now is gb news political correspondent olivia utley and historic day for vaughan gething then. but he is going to have to face quite a few challenges. olivia, you probably haven't got time to go through all of them, but just just give us an outline of what he faces now . he faces now. >> well, absolutely. it's going to be a baptism of fire for vaughan gething as he takes the reins next wednesday. there are specific problems that he has inherited from his predecessor, mark drakeford. there's a lot of angerin mark drakeford. there's a lot of anger in wales, for example, about that 20 mile an hour driving limit that drakeford imposed, and there is also a

continued issue with welsh farmers . mark drakeford enacted farmers. mark drakeford enacted a policy whereby, in order to receive subsidies from the welsh government, farmers had to give over 10% of their land for environmental causes, so instead of farming on 10% of their land, they had to grow trees. now, i was in cardiff a couple of weeks ago reporting on the farmers protest, and they are very, very angry indeed about this. lots of signs saying things like mark drakeford are sheep don't grow on trees. they're very , very on trees. they're very, very worried that food sustainability in wales will just go off a cliff when this policy comes into full force. those are a couple of the sort of welsh specific problems that gething is facing, and then there are problems that he's facing which are facing being faced by are also facing being faced by the uk. so the main the rest of the uk. so the main one is nhs waiting lists. we know this is a problem in england, and we know that there is a big knock on effect and long nhs waiting lists means lots of waiting for lots of people waiting for operations. many of people operations. many of those people can't get into this

can't work, so you get into this issue of long tum economic inactive from people of working age. that problem is actually accentuated in wales. in england, just over 5% of people are on an nhs waiting list to see a specialist consultant for just over a year. in wales, that figure is more like 20, and vaughan gething isn't exactly a sort of fresh pair of hands deaung sort of fresh pair of hands dealing with this issue. he was health minister during the years of covid. that said, he has a lot of experience behind him. he's been a cabinet minister for a long time now, first as health secretary and then as health minister and then as economic minister. so the hope among welsh labour supporters is that that experience will stand him in good stead when he takes the reins on wednesday, but it is going to be a very, very bumpy ride for him. >> and one of the other things olivia is, is i was reading that 1 in 4 welsh children live in poverty . now, that's been an poverty. now, that's been an ongoing problem . lots of

ongoing problem. lots of questions will be asked. will vaughan gething be able to have an impact on that ? an impact on that? >> exactly. another really, really important question. the cost of living crisis has hit wales. more harshly really, than it has hit england over the last couple of years. and schools in wales are seeing the effects too. there is a lot of absolute poverty, particularly in some areas of rural wales. what will vaughan gething do to try and tackle that problem? head on? it remains to be seen he might be helped out a little bit by the fact that we are expecting a labour government in westminster come the end of this year. the relationship between mark drakeford and the conservative prime ministers of recent years haven't really been great. we saw some that in the in the saw some of that in the in the covid there were times covid inquiry there were times when mark drakeford wasn't when mark drakeford was wasn't ianed when mark drakeford was wasn't invited cobra meetings, for invited to cobra meetings, for example, when whole policy example, when whole uk policy decisions were being taken. i think we can assume that under a starmer government, that relationship between the senate and government here in

and the government here in westminster would be stronger so that might give gething a bit more, a bit more sort of fuel to his fire when he's trying to sort out these really pressing problems that are affecting wales. >> absolutely. olivia utley political correspondent, thank you so much for your analysis . you so much for your analysis. thank you. and we've got more analysis. the best analysis and opinion on that story and more. go to our website, gb news.com . go to our website, gb news.com. you're with me, pip tomson on gb news this saturday afternoon. really good to have you with us this afternoon. and it's a busy one with all these problems, isn't it, for sainsbury's and tesco. of getting in tesco. lots of you getting in touch it's affecting touch with how it's affecting you. of you who are you. those of you who are severely , i do hope severely affected, i do hope you're okay that you've got maybe neighbours who are able to help because some of you help because i know some of you might we had might be disabled. we had somebody touch got somebody got in touch who'd got a leg lives a a broken leg and lives in a rural area. do hope you're rural area. so do hope you're getting and also, many rural area. so do hope you're geyou| and also, many rural area. so do hope you're geyou are and also, many rural area. so do hope you're geyou are saying|d also, many rural area. so do hope you're geyou are saying it'slso, many rural area. so do hope you're geyou are saying it's stillnany rural area. so do hope you're geyou are saying it's still a|ny of you are saying it's still a good job that we have cash in our pocket and that we have the

choice to use it because there has been an issue with with chip and pin people their and pin and people using their cards . keep your thoughts coming cards. keep your thoughts coming in, how you are affected . why is in, how you are affected. why is it two of our biggest supermarkets on the very same day? also this afternoon, we're talking about whether the church of england's slavery fund is akin to bribery . that's what one akin to bribery. that's what one tory peer seems to think . now. tory peer seems to think. now. the fund was set up to invest in members of disadvantaged black communities . but now the man who communities. but now the man who led inquiry racial led the inquiry into racial inequality says the church's investment scheme is , he says, investment scheme is, he says, for show. is he right? we're talking about that very shortly. you're with gb news, britain's news channel .

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are with gb news saturday with me, pip tomson. on your tv, onune me, pip tomson. on your tv, online and on digital radio. you are continuing to send in your experiences today with two of uk's biggest supermarket chains. same kyrees and tesco, both of them on the same day . having them on the same day. having what they say are technical issues, although there is speculation that it could be more than that. we will bring you the latest. joe. good afternoon . problems at the tills afternoon. problems at the tills in my sainsbury's local and the fridges were also affected. could this be a coincidence or more? patricia staff in sainsbury's are telling customers that the doors that they cannot use cards , only they cannot use cards, only cash. however, some cards did work tapping the pin in the machine. jackie, will they be issuing vouchers as a way of an apology? my shopping is now coming on monday and kenneth, no issue at all as my shopping is donein issue at all as my shopping is done in store and i always pay

by cash. and gillian . oh, this by cash. and gillian. oh, this is lovely, gillian. thank you. you're. you'd like to thank for us keeping everyone updated throughout all these issues today. throughout all these issues today . okay, when you heard what today. okay, when you heard what was happening on gb news, you tried calling only to get an automated announcement, but you now have an email explaining the situation. very situation. well, i'm very pleased, gillian, that we can keep you bang to date with keep you bang up to date with what's going on, and we will continue do so . right. let's continue to do so. right. let's talk about the church of england's slave free fund, which has been described as almost like bribery. that's what a tory peer seems to think. now the fund was set up to invest in members of disadvantaged black communities. but now lord sewell, who led the government inquiry into racial inequality , inquiry into racial inequality, says the church's investment scheme is in his words, for show. joining me now is political commentator alex armstrong and gb news presenter and co—founder of conservatives against racism. albie amankona .

against racism. albie amankona. thank you very much for talking to me about this . crikey, where to me about this. crikey, where do we start, alby ? is it just do we start, alby? is it just for show or can the church of england not spend their money as they wish? the church of england can do amazing things for this country and for the world, and i'm not sure why it's chosen to focus on this specific issue. >> you know, one of the causes that i've always thought the church was very good at was things called alms houses, which were basically houses that would be estates for be built on church estates for the needy. now, i think there's some, some, some reporting that not only did they want to spend £100 million on this fund, that they wanted to spend £1 billion on reparations as well. well, why . not spend 100 million or £1 why. not spend 100 million or £1 billion on a new generation of alms houses to help british people in need, as opposed to just helping one group of people, black people ? people, black british people? why not just help all people in

need? >> is it for show , alex? >> is it for show, alex? >> is it for show, alex? >> well, i just don't understand what the church of england is trying to do. it's on its deathbed. it really is . there is deathbed. it really is. there is people. it is on its deathbed. there are people fleeing the church fleeing. they are. they're church. church fleeing. they are. thecongregations church. church fleeing. they are. thecongregations haverch. church fleeing. they are. thecongregations have have >> congregations have have reduced , reduced. i mean, reduced, reduced. i mean, deathbed a little bit deathbed is maybe a little bit if over 20 years, it's if we look over 20 years, it's dramatically lower used dramatically lower than it used to be. >> and a lot of criticism from actual christians come from the, the values that the church of england are now propagating and justin welby has a lot to answer for because, you know, not only are seeing the news this are we seeing in the news this mass of illegal mass conversion of illegal immigrants our system in immigrants to game our system in the uk, but now seeing the uk, but now we're seeing them money and as alby them spending money and as alby actually pointed correctly, actually pointed out correctly, in, way that doesn't in, in a, in a way that doesn't really benefit broader society, it a very small group it benefits a very small group of people. and if we look at the history of the church and its participation in things like crusades and many other things, it's complicitly taken not just black people's lives, but white people in other europeans lives too. so does the should the

church open its reparations up to every culture, race and creed in the world at this point ? so in the world at this point? so i just don't know where it's going to committee to end. this committee is also said not enough, said 1 billion is not enough, 900, 100 million. sorry, it's 100 million. hundred is 100 million. hundred million is not it's hard. yeah. they've it's >> it's hard. yeah. they've it's the is initial £100 the church is initial £100 million fund. it's church commissioners have now hoping to for a target of 1 billion i mean it's woke nonsense isn't it. >> it's virtue signalling to say, look, we're doing this is american imported wokeness. and i just think, where does it end? where does it end? >> but is it not actually, you could make the argument that this charity and the church this is charity and the church gives millions in charity every year. gives millions in charity every year . and this is this is what year. and this is this is what the church does. i mean, the church is literally there to virtue signal. justin welby's job is to be a virtual virtue signaller, is it not? >> charity discriminate ? i mean, >> charity discriminate? i mean, that's what he's saying. we're only going to give this to people a specific skin people from a specific skin colour background. don't colour or background. i don't think it . very christian

think that's it. very christian of frankly. of them, frankly. >> there's of families >> but there's lots of families now that say they want to make reparation because they want to make a point, if you like, but by doing this can and i asked this at the top, can the church of england not essentially spend that money as they wish? >> well, of course they can. it's that they are an independent institution. they are entitled to spend it as they will. but but as as an institution that open to all institution that is open to all christians, they should really try be inclusive as try and be as inclusive as possible with their money and to try to actually get people back into church. i don't think this is do anything that is going to do anything that other people. that's other than divide people. that's not what the founding principles other than divide people. that's nothis at the founding principles other than divide people. that's nothis religionyunding principles other than divide people. that's nothis religion are ing principles other than divide people. that's nothis religion are all principles other than divide people. that's nothis religion are all about. les of this religion are all about. it's about creating unity. so, so as alby said, i think, why don't they spend it on, on, on young people or people who are disadvantaged across britain , disadvantaged across britain, there's a massive cost of living crisis in the country, and i think many sensible people would say, actually seems say, well, actually that seems rather our rather fair. we'll pay our reparations through good reparations through doing good deeds. i think that's the teachings jesus christ.

teachings of jesus christ. >> well, you'd have to tell me, alex, i'm not a christian, okay? >> there are a ton of i mean, thousands of church buildings that have shut, you know, in the last few decades. would the last few few decades. would the money be into money not be spent into preserving those? >> look, i think there is a lot that can be done with £1 billion. we could have a conversation for the next few hours, pip, about how we could spend £1 billion. i agree with alex on that, in i don't alex on that, in that i don't think just spending £100 million or £1 billion on reparations for one race of people is really the best thing to do with this money, but ultimately it up money, but ultimately it is up to justin welby and the church of decide what they of england to decide what they want with their money, and want to do with their money, and it shouldn't be interfered. >> thing lord sewell >> one thing that lord sewell said that britain is said was, was that britain is much racist than years much less racist than 40 years ago. it is , but it ago. well, maybe it is, but it doesn't mean that somebody will say it's not racist. it might be less racist than 40 years ago. >> think that point null >> i think that point is null and i know what he and void. i don't know what he was to get to with that was trying to get to with that point. completely point. i mean, it's completely nonsense i think nonsense if you ask me. i think the should be asking

the question we should be asking is fairer? is the is the country fairer? is the church fairer? is the church more would say more inclusive? and i would say by mile? absolutely. it by a yard mile? absolutely. it is . it's inclusive to anybody is. it's inclusive to anybody who wants to attend to and just to point out that, you know, the church has been around for thousands of years and has discriminated to thousands of years and has discwhere ted to thousands of years and has discwhere we to thousands of years and has discwhere we are to thousands of years and has discwhere we are today to thousands of years and has discwhere we are today is to thousands of years and has discwhere we are today is about see where we are today is about damn but damn sight better. but but again, don't understand again, i don't understand this focus on race. i don't understand this focus on division . it doesn't make any division. it doesn't make any sense. and i think that's what people want to see is a bit of common sense back in, in the church. and for them to be to be acting in good faith, not on divisive topics. >> how long how you >> i mean, how long how do you do apologise for it for, you do you apologise for it for, you know, we know slavery went on for centuries as so many nations were involved. religion is about forgiveness, after all. so what does the church feel the need to does the church feel the need to do it? >> well, i think there would be a lot people , perhaps on the a lot of people, perhaps on the left of british politics, who would , well, where is when would say, well, where is when is the apology you know, is the apology been? you know, when actually the british when has actually the british state the british government

state or the british government actually we apologise for actually said we apologise for colonisation. well, i can, i, can i finish my i'll finish my point. the members of the royal family it caused a lot family did and it caused a lot of controversy with people like alex. would a of alex. so there would be a lot of people who would well, people who would say, well, where been? let's where is the apology been? let's hear an apology first before we can enough apology. >> the apology was on the abolition slavery when abolition of slavery act, when britain 50% its gdp to britain spent 50% of its gdp to combat slavery, not just in britain and ban it, but to ban it across the entire planet. we even blockaded argentina. i think it was , or venezuela for, think it was, or venezuela for, for months in order shut down for months in order to shut down their trade there. i think their slave trade there. i think that's a pretty gesture. that's a pretty grand gesture. you not get the word we're you may not get the word we're sorry, but actions speak louder than words , in my opinion. and than words, in my opinion. and the actions took to the actions that britain took to end slavery and slave trade end the slavery and slave trade across the world incredible. across the world was incredible. gesture of how we how british values are and what we stand for as a country. >> but you can also still just say, i'm sorry for the slave trade. >> would you prefer we end the slave trade or say we're sorry for it? >> well, look, we're not debating of slave

debating the end of the slave trade that's already happened, alex. we're talking about things today. is , today. and what i'm saying is, is are alive today is there are people alive today who like an apology for who would like an apology for colonisation. i they colonisation. i don't they haven't i i don't haven't been and i don't i don't think is unreasonable think that is an unreasonable debate having. debate to be having. >> this are >> people in this country are not victims >> people in this country are notvictims colonisation not victims of colonisation anymore. they're not victims of slavery. a. and in which slavery. it's a. and in which case, you could that many case, you could say that many europeans and people were also slaves of church as well. so slaves of the church as well. so where does it end? it doesn't end endsin where does it end? it doesn't end ends in division. end well. it ends in division. it in a saying, sorry, ends it ends in a saying, sorry, ends in division. well, of course it's not saying sorry, alby. >> so what do have against actions? >> speak louder than words. i'm not it's to not saying it's okay to apologise feel need apologise if you feel the need to , but the actions we've to, but the actions that we've already country and already taken as a country and as an institution, i mean, actually, the church was one of the leading institutions in ending the slave trade. it had an clapham. i can't remember what the clergy was called there, but they led the crusade against slavery. so i don't know how much more action needs to be taken. and this won't end because 100 million will never because 100 million will never be never be be enough. it will never be enough. >> well, church would say,

>> well, the church would say, you investment scheme you know, this investment scheme , it is. it a good cause. , it is. it is a good cause. it's to help others and it needs to be done. let me ask you both about this sainsbury's and tesco outage this what we call technical glitch today. alby do you think there's a little bit more to it? i mean, two of our biggest supermarkets on the very same having problems same day, having problems affecting thousands of. >> it's the issue gripping >> well, it's the issue gripping the isn't the nation pip, isn't it? i mean, listening to of mean, i'm listening to all of these that reading these emails that you're reading out and maybe this sounds a bit harsh, but it's not that difficult to go to a cashpoint, go supermarket your go to a supermarket or your local market and get your own shopping. i'm not that old, and we used to do that when i was a child, and it was not a big deal child, and it was not a big deal. i just wonder if people now, know, people in rural now, you know, people in rural areas get in the car , listen, areas get in the car, listen, they might not be they might be disabled. >> get your neighbour to do it as it's. >> yeah, well it's all very easy until you're in that situation. >> so privileged honestly . >> so privileged honestly. >> so privileged honestly. >> oh gosh. yes. to have good

neighbours. >> look i mean i think well look it's obviously a pretty big deal to particularly those to people, particularly those who have a weekly shop or have very, know, especially on very, you know, especially on a saturday. is when of saturday. this is when a lot of people do their shopping. i think shopping day. >> the family >> well, it's the family shopping isn't it? shopping day, isn't it? >> people who say, oh shopping day, isn't it? >> a people who say, oh shopping day, isn't it? >> a like )eople who say, oh shopping day, isn't it? >> a like )eopiget ho say, oh shopping day, isn't it? >> a like )eopiget off say, oh well, a bit like you get off your to the your backside and get to the supermarket you've got your backside and get to the slfamilyrket you've got your backside and get to the slfamily ,(et you've got your backside and get to the slfamily , if: you've got your backside and get to the slfamily , if you've you've got your backside and get to the slfamily , if you've got ou've got your backside and get to the slfamily , if you've got youngjot a family, if you've got young kids, you might have other appointments ain't appointments to get to. it ain't as simple. >> to love going shopping >> i used to love going shopping with was younger. with my mum when i was younger. >> lucky you. did. you >> yes, i'm lucky you. did. you get a banana as you were sitting in shopping trolley? in the shopping trolley? >> or a bag of sweets >> what? well or a bag of sweets to distract or did you? the to distract you? or did you? the point is. >> w- e“- w- e is, it is perfectly >> the point is, it is perfectly possible parents to go possible for parents to go shopping with their children. it's perfectly possible to ask your neighbour to pick up something from the supermarket for you . it's an old fashioned for you. it's an old fashioned way and perhaps way of doing things, and perhaps things gotten a little bit things have gotten a little bit too and often too easy. and not often young people snowflakes for people get called snowflakes for the things that we complain about. just wonder if about. and i just wonder if complaining you can't complaining that you can't get your order is your shopping order online is a bit snowflake. your shopping order online is a bit sn it/flake. your shopping order online is a bit sn it a ake. your shopping order online is a bit sn it a cyber attack? >> is it a cyber attack? >> is it a cyber attack? >> do you know, i really

>> alex, do you know, i really do is pip because it's do think it is pip because it's not coincidence that of not a coincidence that two of our shopping centres are our major shopping centres are where we get our groceries and food down in the same day. food go down in the same day. this real test of british this is a real test of british mettle, think it shows mettle, and i think it shows the fragility of our system, because if week long, the if this was a week long, the whole thing, it would be chaos, wouldn't it? the cash machines, i mean, thank goodness it didn't happen the pandemic when happen during the pandemic when we deliveries . we had to get online deliveries. >> let's get the very >> but look, let's get the very latest what happening with latest on what is happening with tatiana. headlines tatiana. she's got the headlines for . for you now. >> pip, thank you and good afternoon . the top stories from afternoon. the top stories from the gb newsroom. as you've been hearing, thousands of shoppers won't get their online groceries delivered sainsbury and delivered today. sainsbury and tesco have both said their it systems have suffered technical issues, meaning they can't fulfil online orders . fulfil online orders. sainsbury's says that some shops are also affected due to issues with contactless payments, and they're working hard to fix it. tesco say they're sorry for the inconvenience caused . economy

inconvenience caused. economy minister vaughan gething has been elected as the welsh labour leader, and will succeed mark drakeford as the first minister of wales. he beat his only rival , the education ministerjeremy miles. mr gething won't take over as first minister until wednesday, when a vote will be held in the senate after 25 years of devolution. he says he remains committed to the cause . remains committed to the cause. motorists have been avoiding the m25 after the first ever planned daytime closure began late last night . drivers have been warned night. drivers have been warned to stay away from a five mile stretch in surrey between junctions ten and 11, which has been shut until 6:00 monday morning . an 11.5 mile diversion morning. an 11.5 mile diversion route has been created to direct motorway traffic along a roads , motorway traffic along a roads, and the female employee suspended by formula one. red bull has formally appealed against the decision to clear team principal christian horner of controlling behaviour. she made the allegation earlier this

month, but she was suspended as a direct result of red bull's inquiry into the matter. horner was allowed to continue in his role when he was cleared of any wrongdoing . for the latest wrongdoing. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen . or you can code on your screen. or you can go to gb news .com/ alerts. now pip is back to you . pip is back to you. >> thanks very much, tatiana. a reminder that we've been talking about so much today, and you must have plenty of plenty to say about it, so do get in touch. vaiews@gbnews.com. or you can message me on our socials at gb news. still to come ? well, m25, the world's come? well, m25, the world's biggest car park. some of you might say drivers are being told to stay at home, well away from it and decorate their bathroom instead of facing this chaos as a large section of the m25 is locked for down construction

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on digital radio. plenty more thoughts coming in from you about this. sainsbury's and tesco's outage. this technical glitch, which could actually be something far more. we'll bring you up to date on that. karen says the problems today , one of says the problems today, one of the many reasons that we cannot go cashless, they need to stop forcing cashless on us. simon says simple question who provides their systems? someone knows . tell us lee. and actually knows. tell us lee. and actually lee, thanks for this . it's an lee, thanks for this. it's an important point. as a former tesco employee for 30 years, can i please remind the public to not take their frustrations out on staff ? staff will do whatever on staff? staff will do whatever they can to help but please they can to help you, but please be kind. yeah, there'll be lots of pressure i imagine on tesco and sainsbury's staff today. and glenda says as a supporter of cash, today's news has raised a smile. well, i'm not sure many of you are smiling about that, but we will let you know what is going on. but at the moment both

supermarkets, they are very apologetic now. drivers. this is another problem. today drivers have been issued an urgent warning of huge disruption and massive gridlock as a large section of the m25 is closed for major construction works. national highways has rolled out the first ever scheduled daytime closure of the m25 to demolish the clear mount bridleway bridge to install a very large gantry. well, talking to us from right near there is gb news reporter ray addison. i'm not sure how easy it was for you to get to your location, ray. i mean, i've been hearing reports of tailbacks. can you tell us? and also, are people adhering to this advice about don't use your satnav. just listen to what we're telling you and take the official diversion on. >> well, i have to say, pip, good afternoon. these warnings that have come through from national highways really do seem to have worked. we've been actually driving up and down

this diversion route today several times , and we haven't several times, and we haven't encountered any significant delays. so far. now you'll see these signs behind me. this m25 diverted traffic. these are all the way along the route . i'm the way along the route. i'm actually stood here in ottershaw, which is a small village in surrey, very, very close to that exit 11, junction 11 of the m25 . five. we went 11 of the m25. five. we went down there earlier on and we saw that there were some delays as traffic certainly slowed down as they forced off of that route. however, traffic flowing fairly well and if we take a little spin around and we take a look at the traffic here at this roundabout, locals actually have been telling us here in ottershaw that traffic is actually a lot easier actually moving a lot easier than they normally get on a weekend. however they do say they've been seeing a lot more of these lorries, although if we spin back round, there you go. there's a tesco lorry delivering for somebody, perhaps not a home delivery. as we've been hearing, they have encountered troubles

today, but perhaps a delivery to a supermarket or a depot of some description we haven't seen. that's the first tesco lorry we've seen. we haven't seen any sainsbury's so far, although we have seen tesco, we've seen asda as well and marks and spencer, so they seem to be unaffected at this time. but this roundabout, normally we hear there's tailbacks of 8 to 11 cars at any one time at this roundabout junction . that hasn't happened junction. that hasn't happened today. so that warning from national highway stay home, do something in your garden, do something in your garden, do something in your bathroom . that something in your bathroom. that seems to have paid off. but we did talk to about the did talk to locals about the expected disruption. this is what tell us. what they had to tell us. >> it was bad. but i do agree that the section where the a3 is does need work doing to it as needed work. for years . needed work. for years. >> i've got a problem. it's brilliant. it's brilliant. every day. close it every day. there's no traffic. we can go anywhere. my to work in 15 my wife got to work in 15 minutes this morning. >> thought it was >> honestly, i thought it was going ages to get going to take me ages to get

through. thought through. i thought that roundabout really bad. through. i thought that rouni've)ut really bad. through. i thought that rouni've just really bad. through. i thought that rouni've just driven really bad. through. i thought that rouni've just driven straight bad. and i've just driven straight here any issues. yeah, and i've just driven straight heit�* any issues. yeah, and i've just driven straight heit did any issues. yeah, and i've just driven straight heit did get any issues. yeah, and i've just driven straight heit did get gridlockjes. yeah, if it did get gridlock gridlocked, it would be a problem for the ambulances getting out. >> generally move >> but generally people move out the for them. >> but generally people move out the i'mr them. >> but generally people move out the i'm really. >> but generally people move out the i'm really surprised how >> so i'm really surprised how quiet it is. >> i've just been to addlestone and back. addlestone is one of the is supposed to and back. addlestone is one of the been is supposed to and back. addlestone is one of the been diverted;upposed to and back. addlestone is one of the been diverted throughi to and back. addlestone is one of the been diverted through to» have been diverted through to increase the amount of traffic. i won't say it's completely deserted, but for saturday morning it is. deserted, but for saturday morning it is . what has happened morning it is. what has happened is that publicity is put out to people don't travel and they're not well. >> pip, you hear there, there was some concern initially about this big ambulance station. if we spin round just very, very quickly, you might just be able to see the ambulance there peeking through the trees. 8 or 9 ambulance. that's a big station here. local ambulance services course, warning station here. local ambulance servicezif course, warning station here. local ambulance servicezif we )urse, warning station here. local ambulance servicezif we do ;e, warning station here. local ambulance servicezif we do come'ning station here. local ambulance servicezif we do come by|g station here. local ambulance servicezif we do come by and people if we do come by and there's congestion, please get out as quickly you out of the way as quickly as you can because we're trying to save lives. nothing lives. so far, nothing significant that we've heard of in of traffic, in terms of in terms of traffic, in terms of disruption to ambulance

services. will be very , services. and that will be very, very good news to everybody, especially in these little villages along that 11.5 mile diversion . so, so far, pip seems diversion. so, so far, pip seems to be okay. national highways doing their job. >> ray, thank you so much . yeah. >> ray, thank you so much. yeah. very pleasant surprise to see that traffic moving . maybe lots that traffic moving. maybe lots of people are at home decorating their bathroom or trying to order their shopping today. unsuccessfully. you're with me, pip tomson on gb news saturday. lots more coming up, including what is going on with sainsbury's and tesco. with that technical we called . it's called technical we called. it's called a glitch, but i think it could be a lot more than that. we're now getting reports that argos is as well. of course, is affected as well. of course, argos is owned sainsbury's, argos is owned by sainsbury's, but they but there's reports that they are also hit with these technical issues. plus why has one culinary easter staple landed huge supermarket chains in hot cross and chaos? there's a little clue you don't want to

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welcome back to gb news saturday. now, a few of you are getting a bit wound up at the moment. about lots of things, but also about an advert which is suggesting eating hot cross buns with wait for it clotted cream and jam. isn't that just for scones? only tesco and asda have placed adverts in newspapers with this very particular serving suggestion, with scone lovers left out raged. but why buy what they say is a break of tradition? well, joining me to talk about this is showbiz reporter stephanie takyi. >> great to see you. hi >> great to see you. hi >> we also have a plate of hot cross buns .

cross buns. >> yes we do. >> actually, i'm out of the loop on this because i didn't even know these existed. hot cross buns with what have we got? cheese. >> we've got the chocolate. we've got the caramel apple and we've got cheese as well. come on, pip, that is weird. >> that to me is more weird actually, than trying them with clotted cream and jam. i'm going to okay. sure. >> okay. sure. >> okay. sure. >> tell me about this. >> well, you tell me about this. >> well, you tell me about this. >> tasted the chocolate >> well, you tell me about this. >> andisted the chocolate >> well, you tell me about this. >> and they the chocolate >> well, you tell me about this. >> and they are chocolate >> well, you tell me about this. >> and they are reallylate >> well, you tell me about this. >> and they are really nice, ones and they are really nice, actually. and i know that marks and spencer , i know tesco and and spencer, i know tesco and asda. they're getting a of asda. they're getting a bit of heat this , but to be heat about this, but to be honest, think they are honest, i think they are actually up the actually keeping up with the times with consumers. oh sorry, you're liking that. you're not liking that. >> that's grim . okay. go on. >> but that's grim. okay. go on. >> but that's grim. okay. go on. >> i think they are keeping up with the times . i think, you with the times. i think, you know, a lot of consumers, their taste buds are changing. who is saying that cream clotted cream and jam is only supposed to be for scones? i think people are mixing and matching when it comes to hot cross buns. i've heard some people put boiled ham on people put on there, some people put cheddar so i

cheddar cheese on them. so i think people being think people are being adventurous, shouldn't adventurous, so why shouldn't they to be? they be allowed to be? >> but yeah, surely hot cross buns are only to be served with butter in fact. yeah, i don't, which is probably why i don't like that. i just like a hot cross bun. absolutely plain. i don't even cut it in half. but the thing is, i think if we asked most of our viewers, i think are more think people are more adventurous how. >> y eul- >> sometimes it gets boring. it's like when we see christmas now, it's shifting from just now, it's all shifting from just having a traditional roast. you do want do get your purists who want that traditional stuff , but that traditional stuff, but people and matching people are mixing and matching these think people these days, and i think people are just and think as are just bored. and i think as well with a lot of well the problem with a lot of these as well, you these retailers as well, you pump the same thing every pump up the same thing every single season. when it's easter, when it's christmas, maybe it's time bit of sponsor about time for a bit of sponsor about currents they've those currents and they've got those spices in them, and that's a proper hot cross bun. >> i mean, this thing with cheese. yeah, there's no spicy taste to that whatsoever. >> surely the cheese adds a bit of flavour to it, because i

think the problem with hot cross bunsis think the problem with hot cross buns is they're a bit boring. they're just plain on. stephanie, i know what i like and i like what i know, and i want some of the chocolate one you have. you can have. >> you all of them have >> you can have all of them have the chocolate. >> hot cross bun. >> one original hot cross bun. i really do, what else do we need to talk to you about? >> yeah, sainsbury's, sainsbury's tesco day. i try sainsbury's and tesco day. i try to my local sainsbury's to go to my local sainsbury's and i've done a u—turn. i just and i've done a u—turn. ijust thought not even to thought i'm not even going to bother . bother today. >> well we've got. who've >> yeah, well we've got. who've we who his we got? mike who says his daughter works we got? mike who says his daughterworks sainsbury's we got? mike who says his daughter works sainsbury's in daughter works at sainsbury's in kidderminster. kidderminster >> hello to everyone at kidderminster. >> it's where my mum and dad live. near there. total chaos, not online deliveries. it's not just online deliveries. it's also in—store cappuccinos not working, huge lines at the cashpoint because it's cash only. but then we've got dawn, who says, i've just had my tesco delivery without a problem . delivery without a problem. yeah. sainsbury's, is suffering more than sainsbury's customers, suffering more than tesco ones. it seems . but is this more than it seems. but is this more than coincidence, stephanie? >> well, i think there's something a bit more sinister to

it in my opinion. but today is just basically the rage against the machine. so many of the machine. i think so many of these supermarkets, they've depended so on these depended so much on these automated online that they automated tills online that they have never thought that a situation like today would happen. most customers, now that i've seen from online, they're asking, can i get my money back? and we get an apology? that and can we get an apology? that the that gone the fact that we've now gone in—store and these tills can't even serve us properly, like you guys saying they can? we guys are saying they can? we know sainsbury's now. they're on this cutting , cutting this cost cutting, cutting measure where they're trying to save £1 billion over the next three years they're trying three years and they're trying to on these tills. to depend more on these tills. so i today a wake up so i hope today is a wake up call them that actually, you call to them that actually, you know you still know what? you still have customers to cash , customers who like to use cash, and some customers don't and some customers who don't want automated want to use these automated checkouts . checkouts. >> and do you appreciate the inconvenience can cause ? i inconvenience it can cause? i mean, i'll be here was earlier was just sort of, oh, you know, everyone just the everyone should just get to the supermarket, borrow, know, supermarket, borrow, you know, borrow . no, it's borrow or get a lift. no, it's not easy. no. people who not that easy. no. people who aren't , well, you maybe aren't mobile, well, you maybe do live in a rural area who

absolutely rely on that saturday delivery. what could be their only delivery of the week? >> and these are the people we need to be thinking about today. you these people you know, these people who expected deliveries expected to get their deliveries and they've got nothing coming through. again, is through. but again, this is where importance of where the importance of community comes through for such people. , it makes you people. but again, it makes you lose trust in your local supermarket your supermarket while your sainsbury's today. so hopefully this is something will be this is something that will be addressed properly. yeah. >> and we also have heard that reports that argos. yeah there's also issues there . argos is also issues there. argos is owned by sainsbury's and plenty of people saying do you know what. i'm so pleased that i still keep cash in my pocket i need to, we've done this, we've spoken about this on gb before and i just think we're fast moving to this society where we think cash is redundant. >> got people who >> but you've got people who still value it and people who still value it and people who still need it, and people who've been understand been forced to understand technology. as we've seen technology. and as we've seen today, let you today, technology can let you down and in a very big way. >> let's hope let's hope >> well, let's hope let's hope it sorted soon.

it is sorted out very soon. stephanie. thank. >> a chocolate hot >> let's have a chocolate hot cross >> let's have a chocolate hot crorthank you for the hot ones >> thank you for the hot ones because those ones were blumenau awful. >> but you very much. >> but thank you very much. you've me pip tomson you've been with me pip tomson on gb news saturday. thank you so much forjoining me for on gb news saturday. thank you so much for joining me for a on gb news saturday. thank you so much forjoining me for a pip so much for joining me for a pip talk. don't go anywhere though, because there's lots more coming up on gb news today in just a moment. well, it's a fiery debate with nana akua . and then debate with nana akua. and then at 6 pm. it is the saturday five, really good to have all your comments and feedback today. i appreciate it. all the good and the bad. first, let's take a look at the weather with ellie. enjoy the rest of your weekend. bye bye . weekend. bye bye. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> good afternoon. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. so a cloudier afternoon for most of us, with

rain very much on its way across the uk. this all due to an area of low pressure moving its way towards the uk through the rest of saturday and into the start of saturday and into the start of sunday. so those cloudier skies across much the uk and skies across much of the uk and some heavy rain for northern ireland, and of ireland, wales and parts of southwest that will push southwest england that will push its into parts of scotland its way into parts of scotland through turning through this evening, turning particularly heavy across southern areas and some southern areas and even some snow there'll be snow for the hills. there'll be a brief, drier interlude across the southern half of the uk, before rain pushes before further rain pushes its way eastwards the way north and eastwards into the early of sunday morning, early hours of sunday morning, leaving very mild night. leaving a very mild night. lows of only around 10 11 degrees of only around 10 or 11 degrees across england and across much of england and wales, parts of northern wales, across parts of northern ireland and scotland, though a bit chillier to bit of a chillier start to sunday and brighter skies. sunday and some brighter skies. so we go so some sunshine as we go through sunday morning. further south england wales. south across england and wales. once clears its way once that rain clears its way eastwards, there will be some sunshine to here sunshine developing to here particularly as we head into the afternoon. however, there will be bubbling up and be some showers bubbling up and these particularly these could turn particularly heavy across the midlands. another very mild day. temperatures widely above average the time year, average for the time of year, with or degrees.

with highs of 15 or 16 degrees. monday starts a little drier again for most of us. a band of rain slowly pushes its way eastwards through monday morning, leaving dry and morning, leaving a dry and bright afternoon for most of us. plenty of sunshine on offer and temperatures still remaining above time above average for the time of yeah above average for the time of year. will changeable year. it will be a changeable rest of the week, with further interludes of and some dry interludes of rain and some dry spells, those temperatures spells, and those temperatures staying average . staying above average. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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contactless payments, and they're