opinion. is all about opinion. >> it's mine, it's theirs. and of course it's yours . we'll be of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times disagree. debating, discussing and at tim but disagree. debating, discussing and at tim but no disagree. debating, discussing and at tim but no oneiisagree. debating, discussing and at tim but no one will ree. debating, discussing and at tim but no one will be. debating, discussing and at tim but no one will be cancelled. >> but no one will be cancelled. >> but no one will be cancelled. >> so joining me in the next houn >> so joining me in the next hour, former labour adviser matthew laza also broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy in a few moments time, i'll be mucking the week with presenter of the saturday five on gb news darren grimes, which , of course, you grimes, which, of course, you can catch later at 6:00 after my show. but before we get started, let's get your news let's get your latest news headlines. >> nana. thank you. the top stories from the gb newsroom . stories from the gb newsroom. two of the uk's biggest supermarket chains, tesco and sainsbury's, have been hit with technical issues . thousands of technical issues. thousands of shoppers won't get their online groceries delivered as a result. both have said their it systems have suffered technical issues, meaning they can't fulfil their onune meaning they can't fulfil their online orders. sainsbury's say that some shops are also affected due to issues with contactless payments, and

they're working hard to fix the issue. says they're sorry issue. tesco says they're sorry for the inconvenience. argos, which is owned by sainsbury's, is also experiencing the same issues . economy minister vaughan issues. economy minister vaughan gething has been elected as the welsh labour leader, and he'll succeed mark drakeford as the first minister of wales. he beat his only rival, first minister of wales. he beat his only rival , the education his only rival, the education minister jeremy miles. mr ministerjeremy miles. mr gething won't take over as first minister until wednesday, when a vote will be held in the senate after 25 years of devolution . he after 25 years of devolution. he says he remains committed to the cause. >> today we turn a page in the book of our nation's history, a history that we write together , history that we write together, not just because i have the honour of becoming the first black leader in any european country , but because a country, but because a generational dial has jumped to like ken and jane. devolution is not something that i have had to get used to or to adapt to, or to apologise for. devolution

welsh solutions to welsh problems and opportunities is in my blood . my blood. >> tory mps have reportedly held secret talks to oust the prime minister and to install penny mordaunt as the leader of the conservative party, according to the telegraph . a meetings taking the telegraph. a meetings taking place between a group of right wing tories and mps who supported ms mordaunt in the previous two leadership elections. this comes, of course , after a week that saw former tory deputy chairman lee anderson join the reform uk party and rishi sunak rule out a general election in early may. senior political analyst at orthodox conservatives, david moore told gb news the change might be what's needed to boost pubuc might be what's needed to boost public confidence . public confidence. >> conservative party have had so many leaders. i think people are frustrated, the membership is frustrated, the voters are frustrated, in fact apathetic. a lot of voters are very worried about getting out to vote at the moment, and we need some

certainty. quite frankly. we certainty. quite frankly. and we need conservative certainty. quite frankly. and we need now|servative certainty. quite frankly. and we need now ,ervative certainty. quite frankly. and we need now , somele certainty. quite frankly. and we need now , some people leadership now, some people think and see penny mordaunt as a vehicle for that . with a vehicle for that. with a strong background in defence at the moment, a lot of people are very unhappy at the moment and the membership, especially , but the membership, especially, but at the moment the general election looming. could election is looming. this could be in may, this could be in october, conservatives october, but the conservatives need to come into that election. united >> the female employee suspended by formula one, red bull, has formally appealed against the decision to clear team principal christian horner of controlling behaviour. she made the allegation earlier this month, but she was suspended as a direct result of red bull's inquiry into her allegations . inquiry into her allegations. horner was allowed to continue in his role when he was cleared of any wrongdoing . and motorists of any wrongdoing. and motorists have been avoiding the m25 after the first ever planned daytime closure began late last night. drivers have been warned to stay away from a five mile stretch in surrey between junctions ten and ii, which has been shut until

6:00 monday morning. gb news south east of england reporter ray addison has been tracking developments . developments. >> now i'm here on the edge of the m25 . you can see traffic the m25. you can see traffic behind me approaching junction 11, heading southbound. now ii, heading southbound. now they're being forced to take that exit because of that five mile closure . they'll be taken mile closure. they'll be taken on an 11.5 mile diversion through several villages, causing locals to be very concerned about gridlocked traffic. national highways, though, has warned people not to travel unless absolutely necessary, and it seems so far that warning has been heeded . that warning has been heeded. >> for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gb news. com slash alerts. now back to . nana. alerts. now back to. nana. >> thank you tatiana. >> thank you tatiana. >> it's been a muscular week and it's >> it's been a muscular week and wsfime >> it's been a muscular week and it's time to mock the week.

>> and what a busy one it's been. keir starmer is and his left wing cronies are masters of the art of distraction. as the focus this week shifted off lee anderson's defection to reform to comments made five years ago about abbott, which were about diane abbott, which were eventually deemed by rishi as racist. the businessman behind the comments, frank hester, who is also one of the tory party's biggest donors, having reportedly over 15 reportedly handed over 15 million to the party, apologised as should . but rishi as he should. but rishi initially dithered to give his verdict . i initially dithered to give his verdict. i wonder initially dithered to give his verdict . i wonder why the verdict. i wonder why the comments resurfaced five years later. perhaps something to do with a general election. and in pmqs, the speaker of the house, lindsay hoyle, who has just come out of his own controversy for changing procedure after keir starmer had a word in his ear, did not allow diane abbott to speak during the debate, which was centred around her, which made no sense. she got up over 40 times but was ignored. whilst i'm not a biggest fan, as you well know, questions need to be answered as to why she was not

given an opportunity to speak , given an opportunity to speak, liz truss and kemi badenoch accused the labour party of using parliamentary procedure to block a debate on transgender reforms. labour mps talked so long about a bill being debated in the morning. there was no time left to debate miss truss's bill in the afternoon, which would have banned puberty blockers, protected single—sex spaces and prevented teachers from helping a child change genden from helping a child change gender. in the meantime, michael gove came up with a new definition for extremism, which didn't encapsulate trans activists. are we having a laugh? they are the very definition of extreme. extreme. they believe a man can be a woman and a woman can be a man. how much further from biological reality do you need to be? but nobody with nobody appeared happy with michael's definition. >> let me just ask in the interest of balance, is there is there anyone here who welcomes what michael gove had to say and supports what he had to say ? supports what he had to say? >> shaun bailey not not a hand

up. >> okay . oh dear. >> okay. oh dear. >> okay. oh dear. >> and keir starmer said arts are for everyone , everywhere. are for everyone, everywhere. perhaps someone should tell him that his labour london mayor, sadiq khan, believes that if he truly believes that, it seems to be only on certain days because he's allowing blackouts, which are nights of black, only identifying audiences at theatres, which in my view is very wrong. penny mordaunt is being tipped as the next prime minister as letters of no confidence are piling up against rishi sunak and wales appoints its first black leader of the labour party, vaughan gethin, who himself as a who describes himself as a welshman born in zambia. his father , a vet from the vale of father, a vet from the vale of glamorgan in south wales, met his zambian chicken his mother, a zambian chicken farmer, was working in farmer, whilst he was working in southern . and finally the southern africa. and finally the church of england has offered to pay church of england has offered to pay in reparations. pay a billion in reparations. interesting times . it's been a interesting times. it's been a mucky week . so welcome on

mucky old week. so welcome on board. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. coming up. i'll be joined by the saturday five presenter, darren grimes, who will making light this will be making light of this week's stories of week's top stories in mark of the then penny for pm, the week. then the penny for pm, a group of right wing conservative mps believe mr gordon should lead the tories into the next election . but will into the next election. but will this move benefit the tories, or are the tories already toast? so, in the great british debate this hour, i'll be asking . then, this hour, i'll be asking. then, at 335, doctor renee hoenderkamp will to discuss the ban will be live to discuss the ban on puberty blockers, which are used to delay the effects of puberty will longer be puberty, which will no longer be available the available to anyone under the age of 18. and the former head of counter—terrorism at the ministry of defence, chip chapman is a political spotlight this week as once again, pro—palestine protests are filling the streets of cities across the country calling for a ceasefire in gaza, and the government unveiled their new definition of extremism , so definition of extremism, so we'll be discussing that and what means to them. and of what it means to them. and of course, sainsbury's and tesco's, they will not be able to fulfil they will not be able to fulfil

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guardian playing politics for their favoured political party, which is the labour party. >> can both agree that >> now we can both agree that the comments were quite unpleasant. >> oh, they were very bad. you can't don't, don't can't say that i don't, i don't especially, though , that especially, think though, that he should be told who he can and cannot donate his money to. >> right. >> right. >> in any free society , you can >> in any free society, you can be as obnoxious and intolerant or intolerant all as you possibly want to be, and still be able to accept that we need freedom of association. >> so this man can associate himself with the conservative party if he wants to. it's up to the conservative party to say no, but i don't think they should be forced into not accepting this man's money. >> i as and if >> well, i don't as well. and if you look at, you know, some of >> well, i don't as well. and if you thingst, you know, some of >> well, i don't as well. and if you things thatu know, some of >> well, i don't as well. and if you things that have w, some of >> well, i don't as well. and if you things that have gone �*ne of >> well, i don't as well. and if you things that have gone on of the things that have gone on within party itself the things that have gone on with some party itself the things that have gone on with some the party itself the things that have gone on with some the commentslf and some of the comments that diane made, diane abbott herself have made, you just think need you know, i just think we need to a of to literally take a bit of a chill pill and he has apologised. he's apologised for the they across . he's the way they came across. he's apologised. you know, apologised. and you know, i think can talk to think that you can talk to people and explain why this would across racist and would come across as racist and why thought it was.

why most people thought it was. absolutely. and hopefully why most people thought it was. absc learn i. and hopefully why most people thought it was. absc learn not|d hopefully why most people thought it was. absc learn not to 1opefully why most people thought it was. absclearn not to makeilly why most people thought it was. absclearn not to make comments will learn not to make comments like public. like that in public. >> and not forget, diane >> and let's not forget, diane abbott, rightly mentioned there. >> she claimed white people love playing rule . she playing divide and rule. she implied white mothers are inferior, praising indian inferior, praising west indian mothers dedication to their children, she criticised finish nurse in a local hospital for their ethnicity, suggesting that they couldn't empathise with black patients. >> she labelled london cab drivers as racist, saying they don't pick up black people now. minimise anti—semitism. >> of course, most recently by suggesting that jewish people don't experience racism well, that's was suspended. that's why she was suspended. >> exactly. >> really? exactly. >> really? exactly. >> she has >> so, you know, she has a utany >> so, you know, she has a litany of examples of being, i would argue, one of the most divisive politicians in the house of commons. >> so i do think it's a bit rich for the bleeding heart to stand up and say, you know, i've got to get my moment in the sun and milk this all worth, milk this for all it's worth, which absolutely been doing. >> don't >> i don't think it's a threat to abbott to democracy that diane abbott wasn't stand in a wasn't allowed to stand in a house of commons. >> think she said, well, >> i don't think she said, well, i think at all. but i don't think it is at all. but i don't think it is at all. but

i think she should have been given to speak given the opportunity to speak because you because that that to me, you know, she, you know, know, look, she, she, you know, she allowed to at she should be allowed to at least about something that least speak about something that literally almost literally they spent almost all of minister's of question prime minister's questions talking about it. so the least the person who's the very least the person who's there, they could have they should why they didn't. >> and let's not though, >> and let's not forget though, right, that the labour party basically bent the knee to the activists are on our streets right now in london by, not allowing a vote to go through on gaza. allowing a vote to go through on gaza . right, by not allowing gaza. right, by not allowing that debate to be had. >> because actually, the biggest threat to mps right now, i would argue, the threat from argue, is the threat from islamist extremism. you know, we saw that david amess , saw that with sir david amess, the murder of a tory mp. we've seen time and again over the seen it time and again over the last decade or so, and we can't have that discussion. >> so why is that? why is it that we can never actually get to the to the meat, as it were, about why mps are at risk and why? >> i would argue, actually, i do think they need security nana. >> i do actually think that as well . but i >> i do actually think that as well. but i would >> i do actually think that as well . but i would say, >> i do actually think that as well. but i would say, i >> i do actually think that as well . but i would say, i would well. but i would say, i would

say though that, some of the things that have been let go. so allowing somebody to protest outside an mp's house, i can't even understand why that would have even been allowed. but they did. the said , oh, well, did. the police said, oh, well, they're peacefully protesting. did. the police said, oh, well, they're jlike, fully protesting. did. the police said, oh, well, they're jlike, no,y protesting. did. the police said, oh, well, they're jlike, no, they testing. did. the police said, oh, well, they're jlike, no, they weren't. and it's like, no, they weren't. they noise. it they were making noise. it was very . very intimidating. >> yesterday anderson >> just yesterday lee anderson had on a constituency had he was on a constituency walk and he a string of walk and he had a string of abuse shouted at him right by this woman who a real bloody this woman who was a real bloody loudmouth, if i can say that. >> well, apologies if anyone's offended, but if it's true, it's true. >> but, you know, it was it was intolerable. and i thought, wow, you lee, lee anderson , you know, but lee, lee anderson, of course, is on the right. >> that kind of intimidation. >> so that kind of intimidation. >> so that kind of intimidation. >> right, it's >> that's all right, then. it's all but about that all right. but what about that gets away with it? >> absolutely fine. >> it's absolutely fine. >> it's absolutely fine. >> it's absolutely fine. >> i think there's a double >> so i think there's a double standard as well standard at play here as well i would say. >> so you know, would say so >> so you know, i would say so if going to hold people >> so you know, i would say so if for going to hold people >> so you know, i would say so if for thingsg to hold people >> so you know, i would say so if for things that hold people >> so you know, i would say so if for things that they people >> so you know, i would say so if for things that they othere up for things that they other people even people are saying, then even those in the spotlight need to be to account as well. now be held to account as well. now the labour party using the labour party sneakily using parliamentary the labour party sneakily using parlia liz1tary the labour party sneakily using parlia liz truss and kemi allow liz truss and kemi badenoch to put forward their

motions, now , i find this so motions, now, i find this so divisive that the politicians understand the procedures which a lot of the general public don't, and manipulate it, because this is what this that's what they're claiming to disable debate on certain really important topics of the opposition parties. well, absolutely. >> i mean, we just had the w path files leaked recently, which actually fact which actually exposed the fact that , health care which actually exposed the fact that, health care professionals were placing children on generally irreversible hormone treatments and actually that they may have been linked to the a cancer case in one child with liver cancer. >> now, to not be able to discuss that in parliament, which is what liz truss former prime minister, was seeking to do. >> and instead filibus on ferrets. >> i'm not actually joking. >> i'm not actually joking. >> i'm not actually joking. >> i know it sounds insane. >> i know it sounds insane. >> i know it sounds insane. >> i haven't had a drink. i promise . promise. >> yes. >> yes. >> and i just thought this is intolerable because if we believe the polls, the labour party are going to have quite the massive majority, they can do what they want in the house of commons and i feel really

quite well, dare i say, feel quite well, dare i say, i feel a little bit offended. can i use that by the fact that we that word by the fact that we are not safeguarding children, that children to that we are allowing children to be sacrificed on an altar of quackery and wokery over health and safety ? and safety? >> and i just find that an intolerable position, and i don't think the labour party have made absolutely clear that they are not going to be on the side of science and safeguarding. >> they're quite good. like keir starmer to me is very good at manipulating and using procedure to sort deflect. that's what to sort of deflect. that's what i see with him. i don't see him actually doing stuff, but i wonder, for example, thing wonder, for example, the thing that the comments that came up that the comments made up five years made that came up five years later know, after later are, you know, after they've made , come at such later are, you know, after tipoignant made , come at such later are, you know, after tipoignant time.de , come at such later are, you know, after tipoignant time. why:ome at such later are, you know, after tipoignant time. why now? at such later are, you know, after tipoignant time. why now? yomch a poignant time. why now? you know you're know what i mean. if you're going to about these going to complain about these comments, done comments, this should be done straight what about straight away. now what about michael the michael gove? i feel that the parties messing now parties are messing around now with definition and words and a new definition for extremism. when i'm sure the original one would have been fine if they'd even acted on it. yeah absolutely. >> i mean it to this just

>> i mean it to me, this just smacks of a new era of mccarthyism where we're going to have even less speech in on university campuses where, students and academics will be in fear that they'll be labelled extreme because this definition is so vague. >> right . it is so vague. >> right. it could apply. and as i say, when labour get in power as well, they'll have a different interpretation of what is isn't extremism than the is and isn't extremism than the conservative party or indeed, michael gove have. michael michael gove might have. michael gove wrote a book, in the early 2000, and it was on the response to terror and the response to 9/11. essentially, now that could be viewed as extremism to take such a robust stand as he did against islamism. now, i worry that michael gove may be in the future, wouldn't be able to publish a book like that. well, that's so you know, this is the worry when you do that. >> the unintended consequences that you meddle with that occur when you meddle with something hasn't used something that hasn't been used properly know

properly anyway, look, we know what the definition is. and yet things activism , things like trans activism, which i would say is quite extremist, would not be incorporated within the definition. >> standing on the streets and saying, jihad and intifada. >> right? exactly. >> right? exactly. >> violence on the streets . i >> violence on the streets. i mean, it's if that's not extreme, i don't know what is . extreme, i don't know what is. >> penny mordaunt. she's being tipped as next prime tipped as the next prime minister. not. no, no minister. absolutely not. no, no absolutely why they absolutely not. why are they doing this to us? >> is lovely person. >> penny is a lovely person. i've met her a few times. she's a really lovely and she's very, very good at the ballot, at the despatch standing despatch box ceremony, standing on ceremony, doing this, bashing the snp. >> i love that's great. and >> i love that that's great. and of course, as you mentioned, the sword like sword carrying the sword like a little lego carrying the sword. >> she was brilliant, but i don't a leadership material. >> let's not that. >> let's not forget that. >> let's not forget that. >> morton at >> penny morton stood at the despatch box displayed what despatch box and displayed what i as a extreme, if i would regard as a extreme, if i would regard as a extreme, if i can use that word again form of political naivety. >> she stood at the despatch box nana and she said, trans women are women, i remember that. >> yeah, that's that's the unforgivable ness of it all, really, as much and also look

really, as much as and also look who wants to who wants to be at the of a sinking ship, the helm of a sinking ship, which where going. which is where it's going. >> if she wants do it, >> well, if she wants to do it, i let her do it. she can't >> well, if she wants to do it, i any let her do it. she can't >> well, if she wants to do it, i any let h> she could hold that >> i suppose she could hold that sword of big sword at the helm of the big wheel. need. wheel. she's gonna need. >> will everything together. >> everyone penny. she >> everyone behind. penny. she kind reminds of that woman kind of reminds me of that woman in. what's that? that film. oh, god. remember it now. it god. i can't remember it now. it will come back to police will come back to me. the police film berry's wife. film tackle berry's wife. >> . >> oh, yes. >> oh, yes. >> oh, yes. >> oh, no. you know, i can't remember steven spielberg. yeah. steve guttenberg. oh, i know people they know what people at home. they know what i'm email in. i'm saying. they'll email in. yeah and then yeah they will do. and then wales appoints the black wales appoints the first black leader party. yes. leader of the labour party. yes. >> vaughan stood up >> so vaughan gethin stood up and former health and he was a former health secretary. was the secretary. so he was the one basically the tinpot basically enabling the tinpot dictator in wales, mark drakeford, who is now gone, who was banning the sale of baby clothes , mandate mask, mask clothes, mandate mask, mask mandates and all the rest of it. he was obsessed. >> he was a beast unleashed. he couldn't wait to actually differentiate himself from nasty old england westminster. old england and westminster. >> and this is what it's about. it's political posturing. i

think this is a parliament of pygmies, this welsh parliament. >> it's a waste of >> i think it's a waste of taxpayer money. i don't think it serves people. serves the welsh people. >> welsh farmers in revolt >> welsh farmers are in revolt against the net zero policies. i think a con and think it's a total con and i think it's a total con and i think vaughan gethin standing up and saying he's the first black leader in i think he said all of europe, i couldn't care less. are you going to deliver? >> is he going to be good at the job? exactly it if there job? exactly i love it if there is who's the first of is somebody who's the first of whatever, need to be whatever, but they need to be good at job that's the good at the job that that's the first thing. and first and foremost thing. and then to be that first and foremost thing. and therare to be that first and foremost thing. and therare of to be that first and foremost thing. and therare of a to be that first and foremost thing. and therare of a different,e that first and foremost thing. and therare of a different, you at you are of a different, you know, seen know, no one's ever seen somebody the somebody who's black leading the labour party in wales. and that's well. but that's wonderful as well. but you actually to be good you do actually need to be good at do. show some at what you do. show some competence. got to be competence. you've got to be good. otherwise, the good. otherwise, if you're the first black person doing that thing it well, first black person doing that thin know it well, first black person doing that thin know it it well, first black person doing that thin know it works. it well, first black person doing that thin know it works. people you know how it works. people then as a representative then see you as a representative of that that's it is. of that race. that's how it is. and admit that and people should admit that that the case. now that is often the case. now finally, england finally, church of england offering to pay reparations. yeah. it's not pocket yeah. listen it's not pocket change either, right? this billion in reparations , billion billion in reparations, billion pound fund. >> so to actually they say in,

in sort of recompense for the colonial past. >> now, i would argue that actually the church of england needs to be focusing on its survival, and it could do a lot with homelessness as well. why not these which not focus on these issues, which would people , black and would help people, black and white, in this country and around world, as opposed to around the world, as opposed to focusing on appeasing a few extreme activists in this country? >> i don't get it. reparations. i did it, really. i had a really good link of the guy who was saying, you want us to give you money, so you've got nothing to do with what before. do with what happened before. who the money who are you handing the money to? are you the to? yeah. who are you giving the to? yeah. who are you giving the to money to? money >> em- g to the. we >> it's irrelevant to the. we literally to . money literally need the to. money >> we literally live in the most comfortable that have, comfortable era that we have, especially colour. especially if you're of colour. you can whatever like, you can do whatever you like, however you can't however you like. you can't continue about continue to complain about historic. more than most to >> the uk did more than most to end slavery, not forget, end slavery, let's not forget, but productive and but also the most productive and most sort of intelligent people in this country. >> supposedly at schools are black african women. i think it's asian students. so i it's the asian students. so i think mainly chinese students. it's the asian students. so i think it'sinly chinese students.

it's the asian students. so i think it's black|inese students. it's the asian students. so i think it's black africantudents. it's the asian students. so i think it's black african women. it's the asian students. so i thinithen black african women. it's the asian students. so i thinithen atick african women. it's the asian students. so i thinithen at the african women. it's the asian students. so i thinithen at the very n women. it's the asian students. so i thinithen at the very bottom n. it's the asian students. so i thinithen at the very bottom it's and then at the very bottom it's some some white, some white working and also west working class. and also west indian. so, so to say that we're not doing well as a result. i mean i'll probably be seen as a black utter madness. i am so exactly i'm doing all right. darren grimes, thank you so much. you're back tonight, 6:00 nana on. nana top topics on. >> yeah. well, it's going to >> oh, yeah. well, it's going to be one hell of show. be one hell of a show. >> we've, not got benjamin >> we've, we've not got benjamin butterworth today, so some butterworth in today, so some viewers delighted by that. >> newsnight . all right, then, >> newsnight. all right, then, we'll listen to stay with us. this is gb views on tv news.com , this is gb views on tv news.com, you can get in touch with our. that coming up, the has that way. coming up, the uk has banned blockers banned puberty blockers for minors. right call minors. is this the right call for government? up next, for the government? but up next, penny prime minister. penny morton for prime minister. reports have reports suggest that mps have held with her she held talks with her and she could rishi anytime .

soon. hello. good afternoon. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. next up, sainsbury's and tesco's are both experiencing technical issues today, meaning that both will not be able to fulfil thousands of online orders. sainsbury's has said it's working hard to fix the issue and apologise to customers affected . tesco said customers affected. tesco said we are working to fix a technical issue, which has meant we have had to cancel some onune we have had to cancel some online that were due for online orders that were due for delivery today. we're sorry for the i bet they the inconvenience. i bet they are . well, let's over to our are. well, let's get over to our national theo chikomba national reporter, theo chikomba theo , talk to about what theo, talk to us about what a gwan. going on? gwan. what's going on? >> yeah, well, it's not one, but it's two of one of the, well, the biggest supermarkets in the uk. sainsbury's and tesco's have said today that they're having it issues when it comes to people ordering online. now we're at sainsbury's here in woolwich and people have been coming here saying they're having some technical issues inside , whereas in the past well

inside, whereas in the past well earlier today there would have been using contactless, but now they're having to put their card in and use the old fashioned way of chip and pin. now of course , of chip and pin. now of course, this comes as lots of us now rely on online orders. convenient for many of us and for those who are unable to come to shops physically, it's also a bonus so many of those who had ordered today expecting their orders today, sainsbury's saying the of those the vast majority of those orders won't be arriving today and they're hoping the situation is solved by tomorrow. and then today we also had tesco they were saying they've been having some technical issues. so again, people looking to order today won't be able to order online and also have their items delivered, which they might have been preparing for a meal or otherwise this evening. of otherwise this evening. now of course , argos, which we see some course, argos, which we see some of those stores inside sainsbury's now, they've also said people who are coming into their stores may have some issues. and for ordering issues. and for those ordering onune issues. and for those ordering online as well, but we caught

some of those who are leaving the store here earlier on. this is what they had to about is what they had to say about their experience today. is what they had to say about their as3erience today. is what they had to say about their as oppose�* today. is what they had to say about their as oppose�* technology well as oppose the technology these , i think anything can these days, i think anything can happen. >> it's with the contactless wasn't working, but i didn't know about the it glitch. >> yeah, so it makes sense . >> yeah, so it makes sense. >> yeah, so it makes sense. >> but it's a bit strange that they're together the they're both together on the same . same day. >> ideal, it? especially >> not ideal, is it? especially on saturday when you're off on a saturday when you're off work and expecting that your orders arrive? today? we're orders will arrive? today? we're just seeing a go past just seeing a van go past morrisons they are working morrisons one. they are working today , but this comes a day today, but this comes a day after the outage at after we saw the outage at mcdonald's who were saying this is not to do with hacking. despite some of the reports we've press . we've been seeing in the press. >> thank you so much, theo. theo shall come back. a reporter. right. let's go over to olivia utley tory members have utley because tory members have reportedly engaged in clandestine discussions aimed at replacing the prime minister and installing penny mordaunt as a new leader of the conservative party. me now, gb party. so joining me now, gb news correspondent news political correspondent olivia utley. my goodness, what is with people ?

is going on with these people? >> well, absolutely. all sorts of whisperings behind the scenes up until now, the general consensus in the conservative party has been that getting rid of rishi sunak now, however unpopular he might be, would be disastrous. installing a fourth tory leader in as many years. i think it is , doesn't exactly think it is, doesn't exactly show a strong and stable government now. it seems there are a few ministers and a few backbench mps who are beginning to think that actually it can't get any worse for the conservative party and that it lest they get rid of rishi sunak, they could end up losing more seats than they lost in the 1997 labour landslide . and the 1997 labour landslide. and the number of tory mps who said they will stand down at the next election is now second only to that of the number that stood down in 1997. that is a measure of just how low morale is in the party at the moment. there was hope that the budget might restore some confidence in the

conservative party. but if you look at the polls, it seems to have had absolutely no impact at all. it is that, combined with the scandal over frank hester over the last week, at which over the last week, but at which point, you know, rishi sunak felt as though he didn't really act quickly , didn't act act very quickly, didn't act decisively. wait for decisively. he had to wait for kemi speak before he kemi badenoch to speak before he before actually gave the before he actually gave the push. two events combined push. those two events combined have led some conservative mps to start to say, hang on a minute, we need to get rid of this man and penny mordaunt seems to be the obvious candidate to replace him . there candidate to replace him. there are a couple of issues with that. that are that. one is that there are plenty on the right of the conservative party cannot conservative party who cannot forgive mordaunt for forgive penny mordaunt for saying at the despatch that saying at the despatch box that she trans women are she believes trans women are women. that is a culture war issue alive and well in issue that is alive and well in the conservative party, and some simply can't get over those comments. the other issue is that mordaunt has a very that penny mordaunt has a very slim majority, based slim majority, and based on current trajectories , current polling trajectories, she could lose her seat. obviously, if the leader of the conservative party was to lose her seat in an election, it

would be a very bad look for the party. indeed, my instinct is that there aren't going to be a whole swathe of letters of no confidence in the prime minister over few weeks . i think over the next few weeks. i think it will be him who leads the conservative party into the next general election. but with all these whisperings, can't say these whisperings, i can't say for certain. >> oh crikey, she's helm >> oh crikey, she's at the helm of, unfortunately, a sinking ship. thank you very much, olivia . right. well, an urgent olivia. right. well, an urgent warning has been issued regarding significant regarding the significant disruption and potential gridlock m25 portion gridlock on the m25 as a portion of highway undergoes major of the highway undergoes major construction work. joining me now, news reporter ray now, gb news reporter ray addison. rae, what can you tell me? people listening the me? are people listening to the warnings away ? warnings and staying away? >> hey, nana. yes, it's. well, it appears that they are. i have to say, we've been down there to the m25. we found our way into the m25. we found our way into the woods. i got stung by some nettles. we had a look over the fence and we were looking at the traffic was approaching traffic as it was approaching that that, m25, that slip road, that, m25, junction 11 heading southbound. and moving. was moving and it was moving. it was moving okay. of course, we've heard

these reports about tailbacks two miles, five miles. although i think traffic is being slightly slowed down as it approaches that obstruction. and that exit, it is eventually moving. and then when it does come, it's moving fairly steadily through these diverging on this 11.5 mile diversion reroute. it's all been mapped out here. the m25 diverted traffic signs. you see them all along this route. we've been driving up and down it all day long, enjoying the people beeping their horns at us as well as we've been broadcasting. but it's been fairly easy. no major disruption. locals here telling me as well that actually this is a bit quieter than it normally is. and so it appears that that warning from national highways at home, fix up highways stay at home, fix up your garden, fix up your bathroom. they've paid attention to that. and also it would appear that they're not using their satnavs . they're following their satnavs. they're following that diversion and they're not getting they're not getting stuck. and they're not causing congestion in other areas. good areas. and that's really good for news these small villages, because although get because although they do get traffic, a it's a route to traffic, it's a it's a route to

london. this is the a320. there has been a very well thought out plan in and it's plan put in place. and it's working so far. >> crikey, that makes a change. ray addison , thank you so much. ray addison, thank you so much. that's ray addison somewhere near m25 . thank you. welcome near the m25. thank you. welcome aboard. if you've just tuned in, coming up to 33 minutes after 3:00, nana. akua. is gb 3:00, i'm nana. akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio, still to come, i'll be joined by the former head of counter terrorism as as the ministry of defence. major—general chip chapman to discuss the new definition of extremism. what does it mean and who will be affected. but first, let's get your latest news headlines. >> it's 332. >> it's 332. >> i'm aaron armstrong in the newsroom. two of the uk's biggest supermarket chains, tesco and sainsbury's, have been hit with technical issues. thousands of shoppers won't get their online groceries delivered as a result. both have said their it systems have suffered technical problems , meaning they technical problems, meaning they can't fulfil those orders.

sainsbury's says some shops are affected due to issues with contactless payments and they're working hard to fix the issue. tesco say they're sorry for the inconvenience. argos, owned by sainsbury's, is also experiencing similar problems . experiencing similar problems. the economy minister, vaughan gething, has been elected as the welsh labour leader and will succeed mark drakeford as the first minister of wales. he beat his only rival, education minister jeremy miles. mr ministerjeremy miles. mr gething won't take over as first minister until wednesday, when a vote will be held in the senate . vote will be held in the senate. motorists have been avoiding the m25, as you've been hearing , m25, as you've been hearing, after the first ever planned daytime closure began late last night . night. >> drivers have been warned to stay away from a five mile stretch in surrey between junctions ten and 11. it's been shut until 6:00 on monday morning and 11.5 mile diversion routes being created to direct traffic along a roads . traffic along a roads. >> and the female employee.

suspended by formula one's red bull team, has formally appealed against the decision to clear team principal christian horner of controlling behaviour. >> she made the allegation earlier this month , but then was earlier this month, but then was suspended as a direct result of red inquiry into the m atter. >> matter. >> horner was allowed to continue in his role when he was cleared any wrongdoing . and cleared of any wrongdoing. and for the latest stories, sign up to gb news alerts. you can do that by scanning the qr code on your screen now, or go to gb news .com/ alerts. now it's back to . nana. to. nana. >> girl. thank you so much, ray. coming up as political spotlight , we're joining me to shine a light today is major general chip chapman will discuss the definition of extremism next puberty blockers for minors under the age of 18 are set to be banned . under the age of 18 are set to be banned. i'll under the age of 18 are set to be banned . i'll get the thoughts be banned. i'll get the thoughts from doctor renee hoenderkamp. i think got that right. think i've got that right. i think i've got that right. i think i've got that right. i

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welcome back. if you've just tuned in. where have you been? so you've only missed 38 minutes. i'm nana akua. we're live. this is gb news. we are the people's channel now . the the people's channel now. the former prime minister, liz truss, tabled a private member's bill on changing the law when it comes biological comes to defining biological sex. now, yesterday she outlined the details of bill. let's the details of her bill. let's take listen . take a listen. >> x means biological sex. >> x means biological sex. >> it's the sex you are born as. >> that is how children should be treated until they're 18 and they're old enough to make their own decisions . own decisions. >> and what it will mean is it will protect single sex facilities like toilets, single sex sports like girls sports . sex sports like girls sports. >> also, amidst the debates over the use of puberty suppressing hormones for children with gender dysphoria , the nhs in gender dysphoria, the nhs in england has implemented a significant change in policy banning puberty blockers for

under 18. whilst the therapy has shown promise in alleviating distress for some individuals with gender dysphoria, it was rather nice, rather creative. i don't know why they did that because joking. concerns because i'm joking. concerns persist long time persist regarding long time impacts on bone density, brain development, and cognitive function. so is it time? is this the right decision ? joining me the right decision? joining me now is gp and medical writer doctor renee. hello. hello nicola bulley. >> that's fine. my patients call me doctor renee. >> doctor renee. so is it the right decision? >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> the right decision . >> it's the right decision. >> it's the right decision. >> and frankly, and i know it doesn't far enough because doesn't go far enough because it should these should actually ban these hormones prescribed hormones from being prescribed by by that i mean by anybody and by that i mean the private clinics. so that's a loophole that exists . lots of loophole that exists. lots of these children go via private clinics the waitlists clinics because the waitlists are actually for the gender. clinics are so long and then they come to the nhs already established on them. and we've got doctors sitting in spain prescribing children prescribing for our children here and sending hormones by post. you know, it's a disgrace . post. you know, it's a disgrace. >> what is the obsession with this? why can they not just

allow the children to go through puberty to acknowledge who and how they are? and then at that point, if you feel like doing that, do it well. >> simple answer to that >> the simple answer to that nana because activists nana is because the activists know if they let children know that if they let children go through the natural process of puberty, which is what they're trying to stop, 90% of them will actually settle with their natural biological sex and be happy. are whereas if they go on to puberty blockers, 90% of them will go on to cross—sex hormones. so if you get them on the train early, they stay on the train early, they stay on the train early, they stay on the train and then when they get into adulthood and they're actually unhappy with what they've done, late. they've done, is too late. >> feels almost like sort >> but it feels almost like sort of grooming. i know it's not meant to be, but it feels like you're getting them on to a lifetime of medication. yeah >> which who don't understand. how can a 13 year old understand the implications of a lifetime of medication, of surgery, of being infertile ? being infertile? >> you know, no 13 year old can really understand the

consequences of that, because only when we've been through puberty and women and puberty and we are women and men, do we then even start thinking fertility and thinking about fertility and children and whether it's something we to add to our something we want to add to our lives it form of lives and it is a form of grooming because of them grooming because lots of them are groomed online. so the are being groomed online. so the moment this about moment they hear this idea about maybe wrong body and maybe i'm in the wrong body and lots of them are gay, and so then start thinking, oh my then they start thinking, oh my god, gay. they're still god, i'm gay. they're still finding difficult finding that really difficult to cope with. and you know, if you speak anybody, all my gay speak to anybody, all my gay friends that doesn't friends will say that it doesn't matter society it's matter how open society is, it's still really difficult still a really difficult decision to terms with. decision to come to terms with. so online and they so they go online and they google, am i really gay? they instantly a trans website. instantly get a trans website. they go on that and that's it. they go on that and that's it. the algorithm starts and they start getting taken down the rabbit hole of you're not gay, you're just in the wrong body . you're just in the wrong body. >> and the reality is there's not really any such thing as being in the wrong body because your body is your body. so the body you're in is your body. you might you should be in body you're in is your body. you mdifferent you should be in body you're in is your body. you mdifferent genderu should be in body you're in is your body. you mdifferent gender stereotypee in body you're in is your body. you mdifferent gender stereotype of1 a different gender stereotype of your body, but is ultimately

your body, but it is ultimately a gender stereotype, isn't it? because what you see when trans women sort of dress up to become what they feel is a woman , it what they feel is a woman, it feels often like a caricature or a stereotype of what a woman is, the that tried to the one that we've tried to actually rid of over the actually get rid of over the years we've tried to years because we've tried to tell can whatever tell women they can be whatever they absolutely they want, and men absolutely see, it's that you know that see, it's that and you know that no, let's be clear, nana no, child, let's be clear, nana no, child, let's be clear, nana no child is born in the wrong body. >> they're born in the right body. what they have, however, is lots of mental distress and trauma. so, so many of these kids have got adhd, autism, depression, anxiety or trauma, quite often sexual trauma. and what needs to happen is they need we need to step back , stop need we need to step back, stop medicalizing them, help them through this, explore more gently what's underpinning their distress because certainly they're distressed. but what we're doing now is we're experimenting not just on children, we're experimenting on vulnerable children. i truly believe this will be a medical travesty that we will look back on in ten years time, like we do

now. thalidomide >> and it's terrible. and the number of people who have gone through this process, and one in particular, brianna ivy, who is an american woman and i will say woman because, you know, she's been through the whole thing. and i really, seriously sympathise with been sympathise with what she's been through. of through. so this is out of compassion, frankly, not because i she is a woman. i believe that she is a woman. and in fact, when i spoke to her, she acknowledged that she's not a woman. she acknowledges that she's a man. and have that she's a man. and i have utmost respect for her. but she wishes the had told wishes that the adults had told her, stop, don't do this. >> well, i actually i think it may have been her. read may even have been her. i read that i read 13. well, someone that i read a 13. well, someone who had transitioned said that when 13, i decided that when i was 13, i decided that i didn't want to be a woman. oh, it's the other way before even it's the other way before i even knew what it was to be a woman. >> yeah, man. yeah yeah. >> yeah, a man. yeah yeah. >> yeah, a man. yeah yeah. >> know, so it's really >> you know, so it's really unfair these kids that adults unfair on these kids that adults are actually stepping out of the room and leaving them to it. parents actually need to up parents actually need to step up to plate and actually take to the plate and actually take some responsibility and be some responsibility and not be scared the myths. trans

scared by the myths. trans children do not kill themselves more likely to do it if you've gone through that and you can't gone through that and you can't go back. and we now know that if we actually transition we actually let them transition in social, medical or in any way, social, medical or surgery, they're not happier after not solving after it. so it's not solving the problem. >> no, let let let children be children. thank so much children. thank you so much doctor doctor doctor renee. that is doctor renee hoenderkamp . i think i got renee hoenderkamp. i think i got it right. you did. i got it right . she's an nhs doctor and right. she's an nhs doctor and a broadcaster. thank you so much for joining us. this is gb news. forjoining us. this is gb news. we're live tv, online and on we're live on tv, online and on digital political

next. if you just joined me. welcome on board. this is gb news on tv, onune on board. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua, and it's time for this week's political spotlight. so pro—palestine so once again, pro—palestine protests are filling the streets of cities across the country calling for a ceasefire in gaza. these are the first marches to go ahead since michael gove unveiled the government's new

definition of extremism. but what new definition of what is the new definition of extremism? well, let me tell you, it is the promotion or advancement of an ideology based on violence, hatred or intolerance that aims to negate or destroy the fundamental rights and freedoms of others , rights and freedoms of others, undermine, overturn or replace the uk's system of liberal parliamentary democracy and democratic rights . now, the democratic rights. now, the government says that this new definition is a narrower and more precise version than was previously introduced back in 2011, joining me to shine 2011, so joining me to shine a light is former head of counter—terrorism at the ministry of defence, major—general chip chapman chipp. for chipp. thank you so much for joining me. so what do you make of the new definition? this updated definition ? updated definition? >> well, there's no crime in law being a terrorist and neither is there a crime in law of being an extremist. so what this does, it doesn't have any legal statutory status. but it gives guidance, particularly for people in central government and local authorities. in for example, the prevented gender because of the

listing of organisations of those organisations who, because of hatred or intolerance . this of hatred or intolerance. this should not be dealt with and given either a platform or funding, as some were in the past . now of course it has past. now of course it has violence in the title as well. if violence is there, it would go into the terrorist sort of bucket . and we've seen really in bucket. and we've seen really in the last well , since the 7th of the last well, since the 7th of september, a number of things where extreme ism has come about, and we've seen that manifested for example, in referrals to the internet, internet referral unit with things such as floating hashtags of, you know, death to jews, hitler was right, or kill muslims. we've seen more referrals to the prevent hotline and ct hotline. now, of course, the police would look at all those and see if any offence was committed. and that's the thing that there is a body of legislation which does exist that if offences were committed by those extremists and they can be dealt with. so, for example, hostility and prejudice by the

crime and disorder act 1986, incitement to racial hatred by the public order act 1986 and so on. so it's guidance to stop those who've had funding getting funding in in the future. now, so far, michael gave gove gave three islamist groups and two extreme right wing groups. one might be surprised that there aren't more, but that doesn't say that michael gove only had a certain time in to parliament give a snapshot. not that the list might not be growing in in the future. >> so do you think that we actually need an updated definition ? definition? >> i don't think it really hits the mark, but i don't think it necessarily really matters if it's if it's too lax, it's pointless. if it's too restrictive , it hinders debate. restrictive, it hinders debate. and it's of course, somewhere in the middle. and it is that guidance thing which matters. so for example, one of the groups was cage. now cage has always been a problematic group. cage

was a group, for example, that called jihadi john a beautiful young man. cage has been one of those groups which was , those groups which was, vociferous in the prevent, prevent lobby and would like to see the rollback, for example, of counter—terrorist legislation . and one of the reasons why prevent was pretty late, about four years late, because a number of cases that they kept bringing, against the government . and, you know, those are the groups that you want to, you know, marginalise . now, i do know, marginalise. now, i do still believe, of course, in free speech in terms of creating a informed public and debate so that we can hold these groups to account and therefore, you shouldn't again, have restricted definitions in the future on things such as islamophobia, because we need to call out these groups and islamism in itself . now, again, we often get itself. now, again, we often get confused between what is a muslim and what is an islamist and an islamist for someone, to me , and the identifiers for that me, and the identifiers for that are a belief that islam is not just a religion, but a divine

political ideology which goes into the potentially into the against democracy . and secondly, against democracy. and secondly, the demand that sharia must be synchronised with state law. now, the ultimate thing for those people who are islamists on the real sort of right of that spectrum is the call for an islamic state, the caliphate. but there are different ways that you can achieve a caliphate, both al—qaeda and islamic state, at a different vision for that one. why? wait, is al—qaeda? let's, let's mallet the far enemy. america before we even think of this, some of the people that we deal with or have deau people that we deal with or have dealt with are, what we would call parliamentary salafists . call parliamentary salafists. those who seek to achieve that by parliamentary . but all by parliamentary means. but all of those on the salafist line and a salafi is a, pious predecessor. that is, those who believe in things which only happenedin believe in things which only happened in the first three generations of islam, i.e. very strict and literal interpretation of the quran, those are problematic in a liberal democracy. >> well, what about , so because

>> well, what about, so because to me, this definition could potentially encompass, say, a muslim party, do you think that that would be covered under that definition , if it would appear definition, if it would appear that the party are attempting to undermine democracy ? because i undermine democracy? because i think that's one of the reasons why, definition has been why, this definition has been updated in this manner, because you well the muslim, how updated in this manner, because you the well the muslim, how updated in this manner, because you the muslim l the muslim, how updated in this manner, because you the muslim vote muslim, how updated in this manner, because you the muslim vote is.uslim, how updated in this manner, because you the muslim vote is doing how updated in this manner, because you the muslim vote is doing .1ow well the muslim vote is doing. >> well, the muslim the muslim vote wasn't for a party, it was for the reform party, which is believes in parliamentary democracy because it's in parliament. and that's why there are parliamentary salafists. there's no no islamic party at the which is engaged in the moment which is engaged in that in electoral politics at that in electoral politics at that level . if they were, they that level. if they were, they probably wouldn't be banned , probably wouldn't be banned, unless they were against those fundamental rights . now, this is fundamental rights. now, this is where you get into a tricky area, because most of those that i sort of mentioned in salafist line are at least ultra conservative. and therefore for our, homophobic , misogynistic

our, homophobic, misogynistic against the rights of sexual or running out of time. >> so i'm going to have to leave it there, chip. but really good to talk to you. that is major general chip chapman, this is gb news way. panel my news on the way. my panel and my monologue. enjoy >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers. sponsors of weather on gb news news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. so it's been a cloudy and wet afternoon for many of us, all due to an area of low pressure that's been moving its way towards the uk through the rest of saturday, and will its way north and and will push its way north and eastwards tonight and eastwards overnight tonight and into start of sunday. this into the start of sunday. this will some heavy rain and will bring some heavy rain and has already brought some heavy rain, of rain, particularly to parts of southern scotland. we could even see across the hills see some snow across the hills and and into the early and overnight and into the early hours of sunday. further hours of sunday. some further heavy from the heavy rain pushes up from the southwest, affecting of southwest, affecting parts of england wales. under all england and wales. under all that cloud and rain it will be a very mild night, temperatures

not dropping much 10 or 11 not dropping much below 10 or 11 degrees, north there degrees, but further north there will brighter spells and will be some brighter spells and that temperatures that will allow temperatures to drop single figures drop into the low single figures . chilly for northern . so a chilly start for northern ireland of scotland ireland and parts of scotland with widespread with some sunshine widespread across these regions in the morning. the morning. so through the afternoon, though, that band of rain pushes way eastward, so rain pushes its way eastward, so some developing for some sunshine developing for much and later much of england and wales later as there will be some as well. there will be some showers up through the showers bubbling up through the afternoon. quite showers bubbling up through the aftern

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headunes. headlines. >> hi there. it's 4:00 i'm aaron armstrong. welcome to gb news let's get you up to date with the headlines. two of britain's biggest supermarkets are suffering problems because of it outages. it means for sainsbury's customers, the vast majority of their online deliveries will not be delivered . as a result, both it and tesco have said their systems suffered it problems overnight and they can't fulfil those online orders in sainsbury's case, some shops have also been affected due to contactless payment failures and they say they're working hard to fix the issue. argos, also owned by sainsbury's, is also experiencing issues with orders and deliveries. our reporter theo chikomba has more. >> thousands of customers across the uk who are expecting to have their deliveries arrive today

from sainsbury's and tesco's haven't been able to due to it technical difficulties . now technical difficulties. now sainsbury's say an overnight update to their system caused issues today. for those who are expecting to have their deliveries arrive today. and tesco went on to say that they're having technical difficulties today, which mean many of their customers who were expecting to receive their orders today won't be doing so. vast majority of them won't be getting them today, and they're hoping that the situation will be solved by tomorrow so those customers what they've customers can get what they've ordered . ordered. >> yvonne gething is set to become the next first minister of wales after winning the labour leadership election . he labour leadership election. he will become the first black leader european country leader of any european country after beating his only rival jeremy miles, with 51.7% of the vote. he's expected to replace mark drakeford as the first minister on wednesday, following a vote in the senate, and says after 25 years of devolution, he remains committed to the cause . remains committed to the cause. >> today we turn a page in the book of our nation's history, a

history that we write together, not just because i have the honour of becoming the first black leader in any european country, but because a generational dial has jumped to like ken and jane . devolution is like ken and jane. devolution is not something that i have had to get used to or to adapt to, or to apologise for. devolution. welsh solutions to welsh problems and opportunities is in. >> tory mps have reportedly held secret talks to replace the prime minister with penny mordaunt as the new leader of the conservatives, according to the conservatives, according to the telegraph. a meetings taking place between group of right place between a group of right wing and mps who support wing tories and mps who support miss mordaunt in the previous two leadership elections. it comes after a week that saw former tory deputy chairman lee anderson joined the reform uk party, and rishi sunak ruled out a general election in early may. the female employee suspended by

formula one's red bull, has formally appealed against the decision to clear team principal christian horner of controlling behaviour . christian horner of controlling behaviour. she made the allegation earlier this month but as a direct but was suspended as a direct result of red bull's inquiry into the matter. horner has been allowed to continue in his role. he was cleared of any wrongdoing . motorists have avoiding . motorists have been avoiding the after the first ever the m25 after the first ever planned daytime closure began late last night. drivers have been warned to stay away from a five mile stretch in surrey between junctions ten and 11. it's been shut since 6:00, so it will be shut until 6:00 on monday morning . an 11.5 mile monday morning. an 11.5 mile diversion has been created to direct traffic along a roads . direct traffic along a roads. that's it for the moment, but you can get more on all of our stories by scanning the qr code on your screen to get gb news alerts, so you can go to our website for more. now it's back to . nana.

to. nana. >> thank you aaron. good afternoon . you're with me. i'm afternoon. you're with me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv , online and on digital radio. it's fast approaching five minutes after 4:00. what the hell is going on with the press and the royal family? after the hullabaloo over photo gate , hullabaloo over photo gate, which involved a very badly edhed which involved a very badly edited photo by princess catherine. poor woman, the press went to town on her. admittedly it was full of obvious errors to the trained eye, but so what? for anyone who missed it, where have you been ? on mother's day? have you been? on mother's day? last sunday, princess catherine issued what many thought was a heartfelt picture of her family . heartfelt picture of her family. it was lovely in attempting to practise her amateur photoshopping skills, she has caused uproar and uproar. that was enough to put anyone off photography for good. the picture was apparently taken by william and was meant to signify a happy mother's day to one and all designed to quell the rumours. after all, we hadn't

seen catherine around for a while since the surgery, and this was meant to show that the queen in waiting was a okay. now i can't really explain why the press this week was so curious, but the fascination has led to some people suggesting some sort of constitutional crisis. come on people behave. it's just a badly edited picture. just because princess charlotte's wrist didn't match her sleeve and her hair ended abruptly, or luis jumper didn't line up and his right hand was blurred. catherine had a wonky zip and an out—of—focus hand, and three airbrushed individual hairs. her wedding ring was even missing. the background was dodgy. the only person who escaped catherine's enthusiasm was prince george . but just because prince george. but just because of all of that and more, how have these people come up with the idea that there's some sort of constitutional crisis going on? bless her heart, poor catherine, why she ever catherine, why should she ever want to try again? this reaction would put any aspiring student off photography for life. frankly, i couldn't work out

what all the fuss was about. in the meantime , meghan markle, the the meantime, meghan markle, the duchess of sussex, on the fourth anniversary of her so—called freedom fight and just before the tribute to diana, has launched her new lifestyle brand. honestly, you couldn't make this up. we got to see a glimpse of her product empire four years they flew four years to the day they flew to canada in 2020 for privacy . to canada in 2020 for privacy. it feels like longer. apparently products will include cookbooks , products will include cookbooks, tableware, various butters and jams, placeholders not using special precious metals. of course, all the useful , course, all the useful, essential stuff. seriously, most of us are fighting to stay afloat. the release date for all this rubbish overshadowed an award ceremony held in the name of the princess of wales, so meghan's back . before we get meghan's back. before we get stuck into the debate , here's stuck into the debate, here's what else is coming up today for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour. i'm asking should the tories rid rishi sunak

tories get rid of rishi sunak before election ? it's a some before the election? it's a some right wing tories are discussing whether to oust the prime minister. for goodness sake, the five families, the five fishes, the five flies, the five. what's that restaurant called? five guys, five guys, five guys. yeah prime minister rishi sunak, should they oust him and replace him with the leader of the house, penny, penny mordaunt at 450, it's royal roundup time. royal biographer angela levin will be here with the latest from behind the palace walls on the . the duchess of sussex, the menu. the duchess of sussex, meghan didn't to be meghan markle, didn't want to be left of the controversy left out of the controversy crippling family, so crippling the royal family, so decided to launch her new luxury brand right before her husband's virtually attending the memorial event for the late princess of wales. and then, at five, it's this week's difficult conversation . daniel broadbent conversation. daniel broadbent will be live in the studio. she'll talking to us about she'll be talking to us about the importance of body positive, of positive mindset. i'll of a body positive mindset. i'll get that out there. my you know, when your teeth get stuck to the roof the top of your roof of the top of your mouth, that's happened. they're roof of the top of your mouth, that'dry, happened. they're roof of the top of your mouth, that'dry, dry|appened. they're roof of the top of your mouth, that'dry, dry lips. ned. they're roof of the top of your mouth, that'dry, dry lips. that's1ey're very dry, dry lips. that's coming the hour.

coming up in the next hour. tell me think everything me what you think of everything we're discussing. views we're discussing. email gb views gb com tweet me at . gb gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. or it could be the spirit of meghan markle coming to teach me a lesson. >> absolutely glue her lips to a tee. >> her from talking, right? >> stop her from talking, right? oh let's welcome >> stop her from talking, right? oh to let's welcome >> stop her from talking, right? oh to my let's welcome >> stop her from talking, right? oh to my panel. et's welcome >> stop her from talking, right? oh to my panel. former:ome >> stop her from talking, right? oh to my panel. former labour again to my panel. former labour party matthew laza and again to my panel. former labour partybroadcastertthew laza and again to my panel. former labour partybroadcaster andyv laza and again to my panel. former labour partybroadcaster and columnist also broadcaster and columnist lizzie cundy. well, i've obviously got to start with lizzie cundy on a royal story on the royals. what the hell were people talking about? this one. poor all she's done poor catherine, all she's done is put out a picture, a genuine, heartfelt picture . what the hell heartfelt picture. what the hell was going on this week? >> it was crazy. >> it was crazy. >> it was a storm in a media teacup. it really was. and look, catherine, we know she's had surgery. she's been , you know, surgery. she's been, you know, hasn't been seen since december. so when, you know, everyone saw this picture, they just went into a frenzy about it and then found 16 mistakes. as i said ,

found 16 mistakes. as i said, then i should have done the photoshopping for her. i'd have done a much betterjob, but look, everyone photoshops or done a much betterjob, but look, averyone photoshops or done a much betterjob, but look, a bityone photoshops or done a much betterjob, but look, a bit of e photoshops or done a much betterjob, but look, a bit of editing shops or done a much betterjob, but look, a bit of editing oryps or does a bit of editing or filtering, you know , huge filtering, you know, huge percentage on instagram, i'm sure do it. so does our catherine. and please, can we leave her alone enough is enough. >> i just felt i had to do that monologue to let people know that she's only human. leave her alone. this is just a photo. but some people were saying, she's getting a taste of what meghan got. think . got. i don't think. >> yeah, don't come at it from got. i don't think. >> yperspective. come at it from got. i don't think. >> yperspective. i)me at it from got. i don't think. >> yperspective. i mean, it from that perspective. i mean, i think was a bit odd that think it was a bit odd that nobody in the palace spotted it because people because unlike most people are posting family snaps to instagram, whole instagram, there's a whole press office team there to vet these photographs office team there to vet these photog so phs office team there to vet these photogso 11s office team there to vet these photogso i think particularly there, so i think particularly in context of the internet in the context of the internet being silly and social being its silly self and social media, daft media, with all these daft rumours about what may or may not to her. i not have happened to her. i think that because of that, i mean, it's not a constitutional crisis, but people kind of there was a lot of sort of, you know, people head of steam up people get a head of steam up about wasn't the best about it. it wasn't the best way of with put of dealing with that, to put a photo shopped picture out. so

somebody spotted it. photo shopped picture out. so somasody spotted it. photo shopped picture out. so somasody you spotted it. photo shopped picture out. so somasody you know, ytted it. but as you say, you know, she's only human. >> but the sentiment was say >> but the sentiment was to say happy it was happy mother's day. it was lovely. why can't we just lovely. and why can't we just respect leave alone respect that and leave her alone 7 respect that and leave her alone ? think it's absurd the ? i just think it's absurd the way this press frenzy has way this this press frenzy has gone about. >> but do you think then, having seen what happened there, because sort said, oh, seen what happened there, bec press sort said, oh, seen what happened there, bec press isn't sort said, oh, seen what happened there, bec press isn't thatyrt said, oh, seen what happened there, bec press isn't that that said, oh, seen what happened there, bec press isn't that that that, oh, the press isn't that that that kind almost it feel kind of almost makes it feel like was right about what like meghan was right about what she was saying about the press. because watched it, saw because we've watched it, we saw it, and what the it, seen it and thought what the hell is going on? >> because think there's >> no, because i think there's a particular context. >> a press, the >> and look, a robust press, the press, know, the royal press, you know, the royal families from families are not immune from criticism. the things families are not immune from criti(really the things families are not immune from criti(really annoys 1e things families are not immune from criti(really annoys mehings families are not immune from criti(really annoys me about that really annoys me about harry is this idea that we should know, should just all be, you know, doffing oh, doffing our caps and going, oh, thank much, kind sir. thank you very much, kind sir. and actually, when queen victoria, because of victoria, it wasn't because of an you know, when an operation, but you know, when she mourning she went into mourning for several prince several years, when prince albert died, people were, you know, she was a total figure of fun. press was much more fun. and the press was much more scurrilous in the cartoons that were in the, in the were circulating in the, in the press then than anything we would see now. so you know, you've got to, you know, we're not back to deferential not going back to a deferential age need learn that. age and they need to learn that. >> i think meghan now

>> but i think meghan now relaunching herself i mean she's had relaunching herself i mean she's hac have not ordered >> have you not ordered anything. she's will come back. so expecting merch . so i was expecting some merch. >> yeah i mean meghan's had more comebacks in the bay city rollers and you know i just rollers and you know and i just think is quite think her timing is quite insensitive and it's deliberate and, and she can change her name on the instagram, her website as many times as she wants, but she still is the same person , and still is the same person, and she still did what she did to the royal family and people and to her own family indeed. and the public won't forget that. that's the thing. and i'm sorry i you know, you want to watch this . her i you know, you want to watch this. her stirring a bowl as if she does cooking , letting she does any cooking, letting friends know it would never have happened to me. and walking around ground to some around in a ball ground to some jazz mean, seriously , i jazz music. i mean, seriously, i just think the timing is really wrong. it's very insensitive . wrong. it's very insensitive. especially what's going on with catherine. sorry, catherine. and i'm sorry, meghan, to meghan, you're never going to top dog. >> if you were harry, >> yeah. if you were harry, you'd very the you'd be very upset by the timing as because timing as well, because obviously, harry obviously, you know, harry didn't would. obviously, you know, harry did well, would. obviously, you know, harry did well, he would. obviously, you know, harry did well, he alwaysld. obviously, you know, harry did well, he always talks about >> well, he always talks about his that he just

his mother so much that he just lost all. >> you think just >> you think he's just lost? >> you think he's just lost? >> he's completely lost touch of reality. you reality. i think if you, you know, really get know, i just don't really get what's going on there. he's really still he's really really angry. still he's really bitter from what i can and bitter from what i can see. and he blames the press heavily for all of this. and i don't think that's going to go away any time soon. 500“. >> $- @ worrying that the >> and it's worrying that the two looks very two brothers, it looks very unlikely to ever unlikely they're going to ever make they were make peace. when they were so opposite, can't be opposite, they can't even be on the room. harry the same room. even when harry is going on virtually. it's a real worry . this family is split real worry. this family is split in two, and i'm afraid meghan doesn't seem to care. you know, she just is me, me, me and she doesn't care. >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> it's going to be the law of diminishing returns, isn't it? i mean, the she's mean, you know, the more she's going a sense , she's so going to in a sense, she's so isolated from the royal family, going to in a sense, she's so isolthei from the royal family, going to in a sense, she's so isolthe magicthe royal family, going to in a sense, she's so isolthe magic stardustl family, going to in a sense, she's so isolthe magic stardust ofamily, going to in a sense, she's so isolthe magic stardust of the y, her the magic stardust of the royal family will eventually wear she'll be somebody wear off and she'll be somebody they to. and, you they don't speak to. and, you know, her to know, even her lure to the americans, we've is americans, which we've seen is already decreasing, may over already decreasing, may go over time. way. >> that was the way. >> that was the way. >> but see her link with >> but you see her link with with the royals being a royal was was her interesting . was was made her interesting. yeah. and now she hasn't got

that. really wanting to that. are we really wanting to know cooked in that know what she cooked in that bowl? sure if her career bowl? i'm not sure if her career had ended on suits. >> i'm not sure that anybody would be buying a beautiful pot of strawberry olde of strawberry jam. ye olde engush of strawberry jam. ye olde english strawberry jam. >> it's almost like jams and butters, waiting butters, and i'm waiting for scones . and next. oh, please. scones. and next. oh, please. >> might her afternoon >> she might like her afternoon tea. didn't live here long tea. she didn't live here long enough she experienced enough that she experienced too many enough that she experienced too ma she's british thing. yes >> she's very british thing. yes and like britain and she doesn't like britain very much. >> em- e should have >> but maybe she should have ianed >> but maybe she should have invited father over for invited her own father over for some, british. some, you know, british. >> she's not gonna be inviting us over there, is she, though? >> look, i get when people >> look, i get it. when people don't speak to members don't want to speak to members of it's totally. of their family, it's totally. yeah, yeah, but if you're a member family ill. member of your family is ill. yes. makes difference . yes. that makes a difference. like, know, even though, like, if, you know, even though, you know, there's, you know, certain of my family. certain elements of my family. yeah, got but i'm yeah, we all got away, but i'm still there. if they're i'm there. >> i agree, think that's >> i agree, i think that's what's peculiar . what's peculiar. >> but i've to say she can >> but i've got to say she can call this whatever wants . call this whatever she wants. i'll tell you what. i won't be watching. >> no, no, i think i can. i'll stick with my normal brand of strawberry jam. >> i'd be cheaper. >> yeah, well, i'd be cheaper. i don't eat jam. too sweet don't eat jam. it's too sweet

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channel. i'm nana akua. and don't forget, you can also download the gb news app and check out what's going on on the channel. i'll read some of those emails the monologue. emails from the monologue. but now great now it's time for the great british this and british debate. this hour. and i'm asking, should tories i'm asking, should the tories get sunak before get rid of rishi sunak before the election? this is as as the election? and this is as as the election? and this is as as the of the the right wing of the conservative party are plotting to him. five the flies to replace him. five the flies or five families or the five or the five families or the five eyes, call eyes, whatever they call themselves to themselves now, they want to replace sunak with penny replace rishi sunak with penny mordaunt. they think that she'd appeal much more to swing voters and reclaim some of the ground lost to sir keir starmer and, of course, the labour party . so for course, the labour party. so for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should the tories get rid of rishi sunak before before before the election? before i do that, are some that, though, here are some emails from the monologue. i'll probably trouble because probably get in trouble because people here we go. i can people are oh, here we go. i can understand is shelley on understand this is shelley on kate. can understand kate. she says, i can understand all catherine, but all you say about catherine, but she rings she isn't wearing her rings and this causing controversy. she isn't wearing her rings and thistrue. using controversy. she isn't wearing her rings and thistrue. butg controversy. she isn't wearing her rings and thistrue. but maybe )versy. it's true. but maybe she airbrushed in the airbrushed them out in the photoshopping thing. she might not noticed. margaret anna not have noticed. margaret anna

sewell . that's another one who sewell. that's another one who will be a rubbish leader, because such a good because the mps did such a good job not electing rishi sunak and ignonng job not electing rishi sunak and ignoring tory membership. they're going to do it again. they're going to do it again. the members want suella or boris, not someone who doesn't the members want suella or boris,what;omeone who doesn't the members want suella or boris,what aneone who doesn't the members want suella or boris,what a woman/ho doesn't the members want suella or boris,what a woman is. doesn't the members want suella or boris,what a woman is. veryn't the members want suella or boris,what a woman is. very true know what a woman is. very true and pat on the royal cheese, says who does says catherine, who does everything right, gets into trouble, into trouble for a photo. so sad she should be photo. it's so sad she should be left alone to get on with her family. she's a human being like us. her well. same here, family. she's a human being like us. here.1er well. same here, family. she's a human being like us. here. and/ell. same here, family. she's a human being like us. here. and daveyame here, family. she's a human being like us. here. and daveyamtheere, here, here. and dave on the royal said the princess of wales is all those who is loved by all those who value this it's its values this country. it's its values and way of life. absolutely. and do they love her do you know what? they love her in is in america as well, which is really, really right? so really, really good, right? so let's you think let's see, what do you think then regard to the then with regard to the election. me now is election. so joining me now is reform danczuk , reform party's simon danczuk, former pound former labour mp stephen pound and commentators peter and political commentators peter spence and benedict, peter spencer and benedict spence. the two the two s's be warned they're here. right. so what do you think i'm going to start with you, benedict spence, do you think that perhaps the tories are right to look to

replace the leader ? replace the leader? >> i thought for a very long time it would have been a mistake to replace rishi sunak. but i think that it's kind of got to a stage in the last couple of months, where one has to sort of weigh up which is to sort of weigh up the which is the damage risk getting the greater damage risk getting rid of him now or keeping him, i think the, the major obstacle for the last couple of months was always, well, who else would you who else is actually a you get? who else is actually a better option think that better option now? i think that he's plumbed he's actually plumbed sufficient depths it almost doesn't depths that it almost doesn't matter if there aren't sort of any immediately better. candidates on the basis that simply rishi himself. i simply rishi sunak himself. i think , has just projecting an think, has just projecting an image think image of incompetence. i think everything that he and his team put out there, along with, jeremy hunt, whether it's, you know, a part of the budget or it's a sort of a social policy or an immigration policy. nothing is received particularly positively. people don't trust. >> people don't trust >> i think people don't trust the tory party generally, but they certainly don't trust him to actually follow through with any pledges. to actually follow through with any thenledges. to actually follow through with any then the jes. to actually follow through with any then the question does >> so then the question does have be, is it you have to be, is it are you

actually risking that much damage, rid of him at damage, getting rid of him at this stage? whereas this late stage? whereas actually, need actually, you know what you need , even if you're not anticipating a much anticipating getting in a much better leader than him. what you needis better leader than him. what you need is a team going into number 10 ready an 10 that is ready to fight an election. i don't think rishi sunak and his team currently are, interesting, but, incompetence. >> i think a lot of them all are, simon danczuk. what are your thoughts? oh, the anti—conservative feeling in the country is substantial, anti—conservative feeling in the country is substantial , to say country is substantial, to say the least. >> it doesn't matter who's leading the conservatives into this general election. they are going to be treated very badly by the electorate. people want rid of them. >> mean, there's no doubt >> i mean, there's no doubt about that. >> see government as >> they see this government as having on immigration, on having failed on immigration, on on the economy, on defence, on walker. it'sjust on the economy, on defence, on walker. it's just utter failure. i mean , it doesn't matter i mean, it doesn't matter whether they replace sunak or not. that's the truth of the m atter. >> matter. >> do you think, pete? peter spencer , the idea of replacing spencer, the idea of replacing rishi sunak at this stage

foisting upon the electorate yet another tory leader? >> i mean, i have to say, as they tend to say, within the sounds of bow bells, you having a laugh ? me old china, i mean, a laugh? me old china, i mean, look, i can perfectly well see why they would like a different leader , because rishi sunak, to leader, because rishi sunak, to my mind, played an extremely good hand when he was the chancellor. with the furlough scheme , dishy rishi and all scheme, dishy rishi and all that. but it's a different skill set when you, when you are the prime minister for that you need political savvy and that much has manifestly been lacking in the two prime examples of frank hester and the lee andrew doyle, sorry, lee anderson, i do beg your pardon, in brazil, you call him . him. >> well, sorry, it's private eye. they call him lisa hartle. for someone who kind of reason . for someone who kind of reason. anyway, letting that pass. yeah i'm sure they would love to have

a new leader, but i'm reminded when even thinking about it, this stage of those folk and that orchestra playing on the deck of the titanic. maybe if you have a jolly sing song, the ship won't sink. but maybe there are fairies on the end of the garden. i don't think so . garden. i don't think so. >> stephen pound. >> stephen pound. >> yeah. hi, nada. >> yeah. hi, nada. >> look, politically , i've got >> look, politically, i've got no skin in the game, but as someone who actually cares about this country, the answer has to be what would it do this country, the answer has to be our what would it do this country, the answer has to be our internationalt would it do this country, the answer has to be our international reputation do to our international reputation and above all, our international competence our international competence and our international stability? the money markets would us would actually flee from us rushing even faster than people onto the lifeboat to the titanic. if we had yet another penod titanic. if we had yet another period of infighting of ferrets in the sack, it would be the worst possible message we can send to the money markets. the more interesting question is where are the conservatives going and what are the conservatives come what conservatives for? come what may, there's going to be a major change, whether the change, whether it's after the election. it won't be

election. i hope it won't be before election the sake before the election for the sake of but the of the country. but the conservatives decide conservatives have to decide are they to be they ever going to be conservative , or have they conservative again, or have they ceded ground to, dare ceded that ground to, dare i say, danczuk and a few of say, simon danczuk and a few of his friends? because it looks to me as outsider here and me as an outsider here and someone, said, doesn't someone, as i said, who doesn't have the game is if the have skin in the game is if the conservatives, traditional conservatives, the traditional conservatives, conservatives, the traditional conse homezs, conservatives, the traditional consehome and conservatives, the traditional conse home and they've left the gone home and they've left the playing field to another team, well, you make a good well, i think you make a good point as well about the embarrassment world embarrassment on the world stage. embarrassment on the world stagemean, must be >> i mean, people must be watching going, watching and going, oh, not again, their in again, putting their hands in their hands and their head, in their hands and thinking, what the hell has happened united kingdom? happened to the united kingdom? but he mentioned and but simon, he mentioned you. and i that i think i actually think that i think the conservatives will end up being the third political party. >> well, yeah, the reform party are currently in third position, which is quite incredible. we are on 12, 13, 14% in the opinion polls doing very well. the conservatives are down to 18. it's quite feasible that we overtake them at some stage. and we've only been around for four, 3 or 4 years as a political party. so we are making people

want change. that's the reality of it . they want people in of it. they want people in government who are going to challenge edge on these big issues. and that's not what the conservatives have done . as conservatives have done. as i said earlier, it's been one failure after another . and the failure after another. and the fact that lee anderson has come over to reform is significant. we've now got our first reform mp. it looks like he could well win ashfield at the general election. that's what some of the paulines are suggesting is exceptionally popular. people are joining the party in droves. droves so it's looking pretty good for reform. we could become the second party at this rate, but it expense . but it expense. >> you are saying that they might as well change. leader. you've been humming inaya about it, stephen powell it, but i think stephen powell makes point that it's the makes a good point that it's the embarrassment as well on the world whilst. and what world stage whilst. and what policies and politics will be, world stage whilst. and what poli

them. >> i mean , when we, when we're >> i mean, when we, when we're talking about the world stage, a none of those people actually vote for the prime ministers. >> b, it's not as we've >> and b, it's not as if we've been doing particularly good been doing a particularly good job our allies on job of reassuring our allies on the that we're the world stage that we're particularly functioning particularly well functioning country as things currently stand, on stand, you know that we're on the brink, potentially, of a of another further another war, a further escalation in europe. escalation of the war in europe. and of the only and we're one of the only countries cutting countries in europe cutting funding forces. funding for our armed forces. >> what is the >> what what is the international community make of that? government that? and that's the government that? and that's the government that mean, look, i understand that? and that's the government thatargumentsyk, i understand that? and that's the government thatarguments thatunderstand that? and that's the government thatarguments that people and that? and that's the government thatarguments that people are the arguments that people are saying, want sort saying, you don't want to sort of the horses. know, of spook the horses. you know, it electoral suicide to it would be electoral suicide to change, change change, have another change right things got right now. but things have got that that actually if you that bad that actually if you keep rishi sunak, you are basically accepting that you're going to lose very badly you going to lose very badly if you keep sunak because it's keep rishi sunak because it's not himself, not just about sunak himself, it's that he puts it's about the team that he puts around him. i'd argue almost that's important. about that's as important. it's about the rishi sunak you the messaging rishi sunak you know, as pointed out, he know, as was pointed out, he played good job when he played a pretty good job when he was chancellor. able to was chancellor. he was able to do he was not able to do it, but he was not able to perhaps, transfer one perhaps, transfer from the one job the particularly. job to the other particularly. >> think that's as

>> well. so i think that's as much important thing. much an important thing. >> wouldn't say there's >> i wouldn't say that there's any in changing rishi any point in changing from rishi sunak would sunak to penny mordaunt. i would say still the major say that that's still the major barrier changing. leader barrier to changing. leader is saying, who is saying, well, who else is actually better? but that's not to would be to say that it would be necessarily a bad thing. it's about finding somebody who would sort imagination of sort of grab the imagination of the perhaps tempt people the voters, perhaps tempt people from reform . but from going over to reform. but as we saw actually at a number of previous elections, of the previous by elections, it's not much people it's not so much about people going it's about tory going to reform. it's about tory voters turning out to voters just not turning out to voters just not turning out to vote you need to vote at all. you just need to motivate out and motivate them to come out and vote place. vote in the first place. >> think it's more >> well, i think it's more about people who's going to people grabbing who's going to grab the as it grab the helm of the ship as it goes the cliff. as it's goes over the cliff. as it's going it's just they're going on, it's just they're just deciding who who's going to lead this thing to the floor. stephen pound yeah, i have to say, in my neighbour days, very seldom did a go cliff. a ship go over the cliff. >> but know. >> but you know. >> but you know. >> this one this one >> well this one is this one literally is what killed liz truss and what damn nearly killed the british economy was the international credit agencies. >> it was standards and poor. it was moody's. it's people like that. they had look at us and that. they had a look at us and they are longer a

they said, you are no longer a safe financial yeah. we're safe financial bet. yeah. we're no to invest in no longer going to invest in british gilts. we're not going to the pound to invest in the in the pound sterling as a reserve currency. that problem. that is the real problem. i mean, right that he's mean, benedict's right that he's always right. he knows but always right. he knows that. but when know, the when he says that, you know, the people the world don't people around the world don't have well, to be honest, people around the world don't h.lot well, to be honest, people around the world don't h.lot of well, to be honest, people around the world don't h.lot of them'ell, to be honest, people around the world don't h.lot of them do, to be honest, people around the world don't h.lot of them do, actually. 1est, people around the world don't h.lot of them do, actually. but. people around the world don't h.lorealityam do, actually. but. people around the world don't h.lorealityam do,the ually. but. people around the world don't h.lorealityam do,the creditbut. the reality is it's the credit agencies it would be agencies who do. and it would be the worst possible message the united would would united kingdom would be would not be open for business, would not be open for business, would not would be not be capable, would not be stable sound. if stable and financially sound. if we another and we had yet another ban and it would we just have one. would we then go on penny mordaunt, then go on with penny mordaunt, then go on with penny mordaunt, then heaven knows. then be attacked? heaven knows. look, through the look, let's get through to the election. what election. let's find out what happens. the cards happens. let's let the cards fall they and fall where they may, and then let conservatives a let the conservatives have a long, quiet, calm period of re—evaluation. to re—evaluation. they need to decide and for all. what decide once and for all. what are they for? because, believe you message is not you me, the message is not coming out, getting across at the moment. >> spencer i mean, it's >> peter spencer i mean, it's quite interesting picking up on the penny mordaunt theme because the penny mordaunt theme because the leader of the commons as she is, she's regarded as a moderate and the punt i could use

and the current punt i could use my word carefully here, is that she's. pardon me, gentlemen, excuse you . anyway, letting that excuse you. anyway, letting that pass , i mean, she is apparently pass, i mean, she is apparently being mooted by those on the right of the party, which does seem to add up to something like a something to draw the party back into a one party rather than a two party status that it currently seems to occupy . but i currently seems to occupy. but i have to say again about changing leader at this stage it would be all very well in this parallel universe. but as things are quite frankly , it's la la land quite frankly, it's la la land and obviously there was no no offence within those words at all. >> simon danczuk final to you ? >> simon danczuk final to you? >> simon danczuk final to you? >> well, yeah. i'm puzzled that the coalescing around penny mordaunt , i just don't mordaunt, i just don't understand that she's not particularly high profile. the pubuc particularly high profile. the public don't really know who she is. she hasn't really held high office. >> so yeah. so they're didn't she. she did indeed. >> exactly . that's what people >> exactly. that's what people remember about him. about remember about him. that's about it i'm afraid. >> well machiavelli held

>> yeah. well machiavelli held the was dagger? the dagger. was it a dagger? was a dagger , not sword. well, so a dagger, not a sword. well, so finally, . so finally then finally, then. so finally then let's ask you that question . let's ask you that question. then. so should the tory party change their leader before the general election? simon danczuk, no. 110. >> no. >> no , peter spencer. >> no, peter spencer. >> no, peter spencer. >> bye bye, rishi. bye bye. tories. >> so yes or no , i think that >> so yes or no, i think that means no, doesn't it? that means no, benedict. benedict, spence , no, benedict. benedict, spence, not to penny mordaunt, but beyond that, why not? >> and, stephen pound. no, no, they shouldn't. well, listen, thank you so much for your thoughts , that was the former thoughts, that was the former labour mp, stephen pound. simon danczuk from the reform party, peter spencer, political commentator, and benedict spence, a political commentator. thank you for your thoughts. what think ? should they. what do you think? should they. is will any is it worth it? will it make any difference? i don't know gb views at gb news. com tweet me at gb news. coming up, we will continue with the great british debate hour. and i'm asking debate this hour. and i'm asking you the

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radio. and it's time for the great british debate. this hour , great british debate. this hour, i'm asking, should the tories get rishi sunak before get rid of rishi sunak before the ? it's as right wing the election? it's as right wing of conservative are of the conservative parties are plotting him with plotting to replace him with penny mordaunt. potentially, they she'd appeal they think that she'd appeal much more to the sort of mid line sort of voters who believe that a woman, trans woman is a woman. so joining me now to discuss my panellists, broadcast columnist lizzie cundy and also matthew laza matthew laza, i'm going come you, first of going to come to you, first of all immediately. do yeah. >> so should they it, i think >> so should they do it, i think if they switch penny if they switch to penny mordaunt, think they mordaunt, i think that they mylot would think that mylot i think would think that they 20 seats. they might save 20 or 30 seats. >> think talks human >> i think penny talks human whenever you think about her. a detailed on issues , i detailed policies on issues, i think she has a kind of warmth which saw when you which you saw when she, you know, was an mp know, when she was first an mp and part in splash, and she took part in splash, that reality show with that reality tv show with tom daley. did yeah, yeah. daley. did she. yeah, yeah. >> know. daley. did she. yeah, yeah. >> yeah.ow. daley. did she. yeah, yeah. >> yeah. yeah yeah. so she, >> oh yeah. yeah yeah. so she, you she's a kind of you know, she's got a kind of she's a way that she's relaxed in a way that frankly, down like frankly, that went down like a lead wasn't a major lead balloon. it wasn't a major success of a series. yes, absolutely. what is absolutely. what i mean is compared kind of

compared to the kind of stiffness got with stiffness that you've got with rishi keir and i mean, can rishi and keir and i mean, can you debate the you imagine the debate at the moment, ed moment, rishi, keir and ed davey? going pretty davey? it's going to be a pretty sort affair. so, i mean, sort of grey affair. so, i mean, i they would do a i think that they would do a little bit better with penny morton. it's not going to save them. of course, on the them. and of course, on the downside ludicrous. downside they look ludicrous. what on? one, two, what would we be on? one, two, three, would three, four, five, six? would it be sixth? be the sixth? >> sorry, i've lost the thought. no, the thought. no, >> no, it's the fourth tory leader, mean, be the fifth. >> yeah , she will be the fifth >> yeah, she will be the fifth since the election. it would be the fifth if she. if she were the fifth if she. if she were the fifth. >> yeah. so since the election, which years. which was what, four years. >> since the election, it >> yeah. since the election, it would she would be the would be the she would be the fifth that case. fifth if that were the case. >> but look , i'll get fingers >> but look, i'll get my fingers out. i just say , out. look, look, can i just say, boris. come on. you better with that accounting . yeah. penny is that accounting. yeah. penny is an mp. she's not a miracle worker. it's time for rishi to just wave that little white handkerchief and just realise defeat. but he's a chicken. i'm sorry. he doesn't listen. he's spineless. he's a jellyfish in a

prada suit. he doesn't make decisions . i prada suit. he doesn't make decisions. i mean, look prada suit. he doesn't make decisions . i mean, look what decisions. i mean, look what happened with the donor, frank hester. he doesn't. he lets stories. >> bad press go on for five days. >> he doesn't do any damage limitation. he lets it rock on because he doesn't say he could have given the money back and got his missus to write a check. >> do you think he should have given money back? given the money back? >> i think should >> absolutely. i think he should have the money back. >> absolutely. i think he should havdiane the money back. >> absolutely. i think he should hav diane abbottfoney back. >> absolutely. i think he should hav diane abbott said( back. >> absolutely. i think he should hav diane abbott said some. >> diane abbott said some terrible >> diane abbott said some terrabsolutely. that's why >> absolutely. and that's why she in the she hasn't been back in the labour party. >> that's other thing. labour party. >> got at's other thing. labour party. >> gotat's starmer.thing. labour party. >> gotat's starmer. they. we've got keir starmer. they haven't done anything about diane. her diane. well she's still not her party. you've got party. and starmer you've got more u—turns. >> was suspended. >> she was suspended. >> she was suspended. >> thing with >> and the thing is with this election people usually vote for hope. with tony blair hope. i remember with tony blair got was like a got in, there was like a carnival feeling when he got in first yeah, but now first of all. yeah, but but now he yeah. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> certainly wasn't. little. >> certainly wasn't. little. >> was only >> did we know that was only from brown? from gordon brown? >> no. >> no. god no. >> war criminal. but starmer, you know, are just so you know, people are just so disillusioned the tory disillusioned with the tory party, going in and party, they're going in and thinking, well, what else can we do? it's now time for reform. it's for farage to it's time for nigel farage to come back. need a decisive

leader. >> well, you that, some >> well, you say that, but some people, i mean, i'm trying to find of the tory find some defence of the tory party. even party. but the thing is, even when somebody who's when you bring somebody on who's supposedly meant to represent them, they say, okay, you them, even they say, okay, you know, you about know, i mean, you talked about when tony, tony by when tony, when tony left, by the got to 2010, the the time you got to 2010, the labour was and labour government was tired and you that end in sight. >> and all of those of us inside the labour knew and the labour party knew that. and i tories know that i think the tories know that now, why, as you now, which is why, as you say, nobody defend them fully nobody will defend them fully because like because they're fighting like rabbits to ferrets sack. forward to ferrets in a sack. looking cats? looking forward to is it cats? >> i'm from the north. it's ferrets north ferrets up north now. >> i don't have them down here. >> you'd see them geordie as well. >> i obviously left out here. but you're definitely from but you're definitely not from the north but can i. >> well actually my mother's from but you know the from southport, but you know the story. in the north have the, story. in the north we have the, the biggest tax for 70 years that love lustre budget was dull, dull, dull. that love lustre budget was dull, dull, dull . you know, we dull, dull, dull. you know, we were hoping there would be a big rabbit pulled out of the hat. >> we need election. >> we need an election. >> we need an election. >> and the rabbit off >> and the rabbit had run off into got three days to change >> he's got three days to change his mind. wednesday can change.

>> listen, look, the conservatives are failing. they've failure they've been a massive failure for 14 years. full of for the last 14 years. full of lies. this high lies. we've got this high immigration, highest tax. people want absolutely want to change. absolutely >> which is why they need need the election now. because waiting another nine months or changing leader aren't going changing the leader aren't going to difference. to make a difference. >> need their so >> the people need their say so matthew they matthew laza should they change the before election, the leader before the election, they help. >> e!- e to focus on domestic policy. >> ideally , yes, but think >> ideally, yes, but i think it's too late for that. >> all. i'm sorry. and >> not at all. i'm sorry. and penny, mp. penny, as i said, she's an mp. she's not a magician. >> yeah, she's not as she. and that's what they need. they actually need a miracle. they do say be more to say i would be more useful to them. you join us. them. but if you just join us. welcome this gb news welcome aboard. this is gb news on and on digital on tv, online and on digital radio. panel were discussing. radio. my panel were discussing. but think? show but what do you think? this show is? nothing without you and your views. so welcome our views. so let's welcome our great their great british voice. their opportunity to the show opportunity to be on the show and what they think and tell us what they think about we're about the topics we're discussing should we head discussing today. should we head over map to bristol? over to the map to bristol? let's have a chat with leigh harris . let's have a chat with leigh harris. leigh harris, the tory party. they're talking about another leader , what do you

another leader, what do you think? i know it's crazy. >> it's a bit like rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic how. >> now. >> nana. i mean, we've been discussing this for a long time , discussing this for a long time, haven't we? i mean, one thing is for certain. the tories are going get annihilated. and in going to get annihilated. and in my sunak an my view, rishi sunak is an untrustworthy , weak, spineless, untrustworthy, weak, spineless, useless, backstabbing liar. and he's . he's got to go. >> don't mince words. >> don't mince words. >> i laughed out loud today, times article i read today. nana it said that some cabinet ministers are no longer convinced that rishi sunak is the right pm to lead the tories into the next election. >> i mean, no longer convinced i found this utterly staggering. >> these ministers clearly have the political instincts of a house brick. >> they are. they're so out of touch. it's embarrassing. i mean, you do not need to be a political expert or a tory insider to know that the conservatives are currently, on a path to electoral oblivion. if they do nothing and leave sunak in place, they will be lucky to

retain 100 mps at the next election . so why not roll the election. so why not roll the dice? get rid of hopeless sunak and if they get, you know, especially if they're going to get wiped out anyway. and with all this talk about penny mordaunt as mordaunt tipped as a replacement, you know penny is great the despatch box, but great at the despatch box, but she's really weak on woke issues and the culture war. and it would just be more shame. labour light out of touch woke nonsense, which is one of the biggest complaints about the tories and why they're losing so many voters to just finish on this, if the conservatives want any hope of minimising the damage or dare we dream nana actually beating the labour party, they need a true conservative who is a strong leader and a fighter, and i think that has to be suella braverman. we need a risk taker. no, we need someone who's not afraid to speak their mind. >> lee. >> lee. >> but yeah, i just think throw the dice anyway . the dice anyway. >> they should they should get on with running the country and roll the dice for an election, because whoever's front of because whoever's in front of

that , that ship is still going that, that ship is still going down cliff. sorry . lee down the cliff. i'm sorry. lee harris is not easy to talk to you. he's a great british voice. that is, of course, lee harris. thank you so much for joining us. so what think us. right. so what do you think should, should should they should, should they should they vote? new vote? should they get a new leader? stay tuned though, leader? well, stay tuned though, because next, next because on the way next, my next great is i'm great british debate is i'm asking, the be asking, should the nhs be prioritising over prioritising net zero over patient next, patient safety? but next, my weekly roundup royal weekly royal roundup with royal biographer . biographer angela levin. >>

i >> -- >> good afternoon. this is gp news on tv. online and on digital radio. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua . people's channel. i'm nana akua. now. there's always something going the household. going on in the royal household. and week has been no and this week has been no different. in every saturday, i love to give rundown. and love to give you a rundown. and who do so than royal who better to do so than royal biographer levin? angela biographer angela levin? angela it's been a busy royal week, hasn't it? >> it's very, very oh my goodness. >> yes. so talk to me about what are main things that of

are the main things that of course released this are the main things that of coursewhat's released this are the main things that of coursewhat's going.eased this are the main things that of coursewhat's going on.ad this are the main things that of coursewhat's going on. yeah s thing. what's going on. yeah i'll do that a bit later. whatever order you like. >> think what we need to >> yeah i think what we need to understand that there is understand now is that there is a going on. there is a war a war going on. there is a war going on between and going on between meghan and harry and the rest of the royal family, and with the sussex squad they're jumping on whenever there's anything that they can actually destroy or overcome . so when they. now they overcome. so when they. now they know that catherine has been quite ill. so they come up with things that are really unpleasant and nasty and people are blaming her for everything. so what if a picture isn't quite right? so what, she doesn't happen to have a wedding ring on? but there's a very, very nasty tray that's going on about that, which is really very serious . you can see that, serious. you can see that, catherine has had much more attack than king charles, who also won't explain exactly what's been wrong with him . i what's been wrong with him. i think people are entitled to keep that. we don't own them .

keep that. we don't own them. obviously they can say something, but it's really malicious . i something, but it's really malicious. i think it's incredibly bad. and the irony of it is, is the hypocrisy of meghan and harry at the. >> so are you saying that they're behind some of this? yes. >> i ask, saying that. >> i ask, saying that. >> i ask, saying that. >> i am saying that. do you have evidence of that? >> well, i, have very strong >> well, i, i have very strong inclinations about that and the way they behave. so yeah, my views and, you know, to talk to the women's, she was with a women's discussion a few weeks ago and she said, you know, what matters is to understand people through your action to be very kind and very that they're not being very kind. they're not. and i think for her to have the have her new, podcast or not, not a podcast to have her her new act of starting a whole life as a cooking guru, the just at

the time when it's about diana's, charity is absolutely terrible . now it says two terrible. now it says two things. one, harry, now that don't feel so close to his mother. when i was with him , he mother. when i was with him, he was always feeling that his mother was with him helping him, perhaps now he doesn't think that. well, i think he feels like he's transferred onto meghan. >> she's taking that role? yes but they would argue that this is four years to the day that they had their freedom and left the uk. >> yes, but that's a poor thing to say. that's not what's important. important is, important. what's important is, is diana's awards, and the fact that perhaps harry doesn't have a say in anything. what meghan's doing now, and she's coming up with a royal, a regal sort of a and r for the title. america an, whatever it is ridiculous nonsense name, and to, that it's

all gone, that it's all perfect for her. well actually, you can't do anything with that for first page. nothing's happening for a few weeks, so it's just to tell you so you didn't need to do it on that day. it wasn't something that had been for prepared ages. >> so what she's released is just like a one page, one page? yes. the day or pretty yes. on the day or pretty much no nothing that's going to happenin no nothing that's going to happen in a in a month or so. so there's nothing there, just one page. you can't you can't around about the same time. >> can't buy anything. you >> you can't buy anything. you can't. your name can't. you can put your name down information. but down to receive information. but it's there yet. so it's nothing is there yet. so the thing is to do it when everybody's down, when the king is unwell, when the catherine is unwell, when william is very stressed. and you can actually make a big impression and you can win, you can show them that you're that they are better, they are organised and they are more organised and anything they can do, they can do better. i think it's absolutely dreadful. and the fact that harry could give in to that and spend, you know,

talking where he was in, in skiing , to the people who've won skiing, to the people who've won the awards i thought was absolutely appalling, it's , it's absolutely appalling, it's, it's it is very tragic, actually. >> i think it's very, very sorry and very sad. and that they , the and very sad. and that they, the two brothers don't want to be anywhere near each other is, is very upsetting . but there it is. very upsetting. but there it is. i think have understand i think you have to understand that got real enemies that you've got real enemies there and all the sort of we're coming to london one week because we want to get more popular , which means they want popular, which means they want to come to london so they can sell their goods . the jam, the sell their goods. the jam, the tablecloths, the butter, all those things he wants, the things that the standard general broken. a promise they made to the late queen, which is terrible. she said. you can't use the royal titles if you want to make commercial gain and that's what they've done. so it's a huge insult. it's even worse than the dreadful curtsy that meghan did in in the,

netflix , programs about them. netflix, programs about them. and that was very rude. that was extremely nasty and spiteful, especially with a silly voice that she put on. and this is even worse because they're trying to make money on the back of the royal family. >> well, that's all that's all they've ever been doing, isn't it? >> that is all that they've ever been doing. but i think when you're commercial you're being totally commercial and all these things so and selling all these things so that they have loads of money, she probably will get a lot of money. i don't know if it will be much. so popular as a be so much. so popular as a taoiseach, do that taoiseach, but i do think that people will buy the stuff from her because it will be very expensive and it will be something you can show off and be of. but think that be proud of. but i do think that there's no kindness there. there's no sympathy . she, there's no sympathy. she, there's just pretence and acting . and i think the royal family can't do anything yet. and that's what they're taking advantage of . i think it's advantage of. i think it's a really serious attack. >> well, it's until 11. thank

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or tweet me at. gb news. so it's now time for this week's difficult conversation. now, danielle broadbent. difficult conversation. now, danielle broadbent . she's a body danielle broadbent. she's a body positive mindset champion, a radio presenter and a top ten podcast host. and after appearing on channel four's naked beach in 2019 to confront insecurities about her body image, danielle embarked on a transformative journey of self—discovery. she struggled with weight gain due to an underactive thyroid . after her underactive thyroid. after her second child, she battled feelings of inadequacy and social pressures to fit a central a certain mould. however her experience on naked beach became a turning point, leading her to realise that the true change wasn't about altering her body but transforming her mindset. and i'm very pleased to say that danielle broadbent joins me now. danielle, thank you so much forjoining me. oh, thanks for having me in. >> i start listening to you and thinking, yeah, i did that. that's me . that's me. >> there was more. there was so

much more. i just stopped reading in the middle and thought, ask thought, i'm just gonna ask you myself you've so myself because you've done so much , in such kind of much really, in such a kind of short of time. short space of time. >> yeah, really short, >> yeah, i've been really short, i now and think, wow , i look back now and think, wow, that's really happened. >> it's been a bit of a whirlwind, but a good one, a very positive one, and i'm proud of it. >> so take me back to the birth of second child, because of your second child, because you obviously of your second child, because you on obviously of your second child, because you on weight obviously of your second child, because you on weight to obviously of your second child, because you on weight to have bviously of your second child, because you on weight to have the usly of your second child, because you on weight to have the child , put on weight to have the child, but then were pretty. but before then you were pretty. what because this what size were you? because this was that. was the big thing that. >> i mean, mean, i've >> yeah, i mean, i mean, i've two children, at least in two children, at least here in my i, you know, from my care, when i, you know, from having first child, i'd having my first child, i'd probably comfortable size ten probably a comfortable size ten and i bounced pretty much straight a 10 after straight into a 10 to 12 after having alicia. but before having alicia. but just before i had my kit, i discovered a few months before, that i had an underactive thyroid before i, you know, conceived, obviously, and it was just a very difficult. >> well, a different , recovery >> well, a different, recovery after having, you know, childbirth with just how my body healed and, and my mind. >> but as well, the weight side

of things, i just couldn't . i of things, i just couldn't. i was so expecting to just. you know, fly back into, you know, the my size 12 to 14 jeans then. but i just want the case. >> what were the symptoms for you? for the underactive thyroid that made you think, oh, hang on, there's something wrong here. yeah. on, there's something wrong herand ah. on, there's something wrong herand ili. on, there's something wrong herand it were going >> and it were going on for quite and one thing >> and it were going on for quite thyroid and one thing >> and it were going on for quite thyroid hypothyroidism is about thyroid hypothyroidism is that sometimes you don't pick, you know, it's not that obvious, but for me, it really was. so, i were my muscles were ripping. i'd turn over in bed and like, the side of me, you know, you'd feel, you know, like when you pull a muscle, it would feel feel, you know, like when you pullthat. rscle, it would feel feel, you know, like when you pullthat. rscli'dt would feel feel, you know, like when you pullthat. rscli'd justuld feel feel, you know, like when you pullthat.|scli'd just be feel like that. or i'd just be putting, jeans on putting, you know, jeans on and my would ache. you know, my arms would ache. you know, i were keen, a keen dancer. and i were keen, a keen dancer. and i were doing, like, a bit not boxing to fight people, but, you know, just the fitness aspect of it, training at my local boxing gym and i just couldn't keep up anymore where i'd, you know, fly through them workouts before . through them workouts before. and it was the person that i were actually training with who

said, blood said, i think you need a blood test because isn't like test because this isn't like you. was so tired. you. you know, i was so tired. i were very emotional. my had were very emotional. my hair had thinned and my voice were really horsey. my face puffy and horsey. my face was puffy and i didn't. i'd not heard of hypothyroidism then. so you know, i didn't know what was wrong with me. i were really worried though . and, yeah. and worried though. and, yeah. and i went for blood and it went for a blood test and it just from there . just went from there. >> really? and how many >> really? so. and how many years ago was that? >> and so that will have been maybe 2000. yeah. 2009, 2009, and yeah, when i had the blood test, the doctor rang and he said, you need to come to the surgery straight away, straight away. so i was thinking, oh my god, you know what's wrong with me? got there, me? and when i got there, he said, have severe case of said, you have a severe case of hypothyroidism we need hypothyroidism and we need to get control because get it under control now because it really dangerous it is really dangerous if it's not, god, what are the not, oh my god, what are the implications for it? what if you if you don't treat it, if it goes unnoticed, it can lead to heart disease . if i wanted to heart disease. if i wanted to have any more children, it could

lead to, you know, you're not being carry children being able to carry children anymore. can it can lead to, anymore. it can it can lead to, you know, cancer. it can lead to all sorts . but, you know, maybe all sorts. but, you know, maybe the controls much the thyroid controls pretty much all your body. so your organs, you know , your hair, your, your you know, your hair, your, your moods, absolutely everything . so moods, absolutely everything. so it can lead you to being, like, mentally unstable if you're not, if you don't control it. >> god, there's so many things . >> god, there's so many things. it's interesting, isn't it, that the there are lots of these things kind of attack us women, especially after you've given birth , if birth during pregnancy, if you've got any autoimmune type conditions, they seem to pregnancy is so it's so challenging isn't and can challenging isn't it? and it can really change your body. so with this it meant that you put on weight. how did you deal with that? because you were you started off with size 1012. you've got a bit bigger when you were pregnant. now , you know were pregnant. but now, you know to realise that weight is to realise that your weight is gaining. did you cope? gaining. what? how did you cope? >> will is >> well, one thing i will say is with underactive thyroid , with the underactive thyroid, and people watching it will with the underactive thyroid, and that people watching it will with the underactive thyroid, and that you3le watching it will with the underactive thyroid, and that you can vatching it will with the underactive thyroid, and that you can stilling it will with the underactive thyroid, and that you can still loset will know that you can still lose weight. it'sjust know that you can still lose weight. it's just a know that you can still lose weight. it'sjust a bit know that you can still lose weight. it's just a bit harder

to. right. so my mindset then was really need to be slim was i really need to be slim again, can't, i can't do it. again, i can't, i can't do it. you know, it's been slimmer every it's pointless. you know i don't want to be anything else. so, i really struggled with it. you know, i did every diet going, you know, from, from like, shakes to, to, like, the big diet, you know, well—known diets that are out there, and, you know, and it did work. it did work, but it just, you know, you'd go to, you know, get weighed on a monday and somebody who doesn't, didn't suffer from a hypothyroidism would lose more weight than you. you know, you'd be there with your £2 and they'd be there with your £2 and they'd be six. so it's be there with six. so it's just a slower but is achievable. >> but then if you want if >> but then if you want to, if you want to. being slim you want to. and being slim isn't be all and end all. isn't the be all and end all. >> oh absolutely i mean, >> oh absolutely not. i mean, you obviously for health you know, obviously for health reasons, you know you've got i won't sit promote being won't ever sit and promote being unhealthy. think that unhealthy. but i do think that you've got to you can only do that if you want to do it. you know i won't allow anyone to say to me, well, you could really do

with, you know, losing a bit of weight. my choice. you weight. that's my choice. you know . and, and were at that know. and, and i were at that point, think society point, though i think society and the way, you know, i felt i felt like it were i weren't going to be as successful in my job if i want thinner. i weren't going to be selected for a promotion. if i want thinner, i weren't going to be as attractive want thinner. attractive if i want thinner. and i did naked beach, attractive if i want thinner. aactually i did naked beach, attractive if i want thinner. aactually realisediid naked beach, attractive if i want thinner. aactually realised thatiked beach, i actually realised that actually that, you know, i'm actually that, you know, i'm actually happierjust going with actually happier just going with the flow and, and if i lose a few pounds, great. if i don't, fine. did you know what naked beach all when you were? >> i mean, it sounds pretty obvious you're going on a obvious you're going to be on a beach that's i'm thinking. >> well, want, but no, >> well, i want, but no, i didn't, i didn't. >> is it? what's it about? >> what is it? what's it about? because didn't but because i didn't see it. but i've, you know, about it. so. >> yeah. well when i did the show there were no title, because if it had been, if i'd have known it were called naked beach, i'd never have have known it were called naked beaciit. i'd never have have known it were called naked beaciit. never, i'd never have have known it were called naked beaciit. never, but�*d never have have known it were called naked beaciit. never, but it never have have known it were called naked beaciit. never, but it waser have have known it were called naked beaciit. never, but it was all, ve done it. never, but it was all, a show about body confidence. so i was on as a girl who would put on a bit of weight and were

really unhappy with how i looked, but were people really unhappy with how i looke who it were people really unhappy with how i looke who it we know, yple really unhappy with how i looke who it weknow, had had there who who, you know, had had breast and had breast breast cancer and had a breast removed, people removed, and there were people there alopecia and lots of there with alopecia and lots of different things people, different things where people, you a bit inadequate you know, felt a bit inadequate in society. and the overall message were there's a lot more going on in the world and, and you as a person than what size dress are you wearing today are, you know, how short your hair is, are you know, the fact that you've had breast cancer and you've, you've, you've come through it. it's great. you know, we can reconstruct your breast , which obviously me sat breast, which obviously me sat here really here saying that is a really easy for to say, but easy thing for me to say, but someone actually going through easy thing for me to say, but someit's actually going through easy thing for me to say, but someit's completelying through easy thing for me to say, but someit's completely different.|h that, it's completely different. so how you feel inside. and so it's how you feel inside. and there a mindset there were, you know, a mindset coaches there with us. mine were felicity haywood who is now one of my best friends, and it changed life. you know , it's, changed my life. you know, it's, what natasha? what about natasha? >> natasha. wow. yeah so, >> natasha. devon. wow. yeah so, natasha, natasha. devon, i met natasha, natasha. devon, i met natasha in london, and we did therapy together, and. wow wow, that was intense. like, she made me a dress that i would look.

she had me looking in a mirror, like, tell me what you don't like, tell me what you don't like yourself. why don't like, tell me what you don't like like yourself. why don't like, tell me what you don't like like yand elf. why don't like, tell me what you don't like like yand elf. why to 1't you like it? and you had to address you'd been. address things that you'd been. i didn't have a full length mirror in my house for a of mirror in my house for a lot of years, to stand there and be years, so to stand there and be like, my god, you know, like. like, oh my god, you know, like. and like what and why don't you like it? what don't why do you don't you like? but why do you think have to be think that you have to be accountable them thoughts accountable for them thoughts and to someone else who and explain to someone else who you don't really know that. well the whys and you can't even address that yourself. really? so difficult . but you so that was difficult. but you know, it's a process. it was therapy. looking back now, therapy. and looking back now, i'm grateful for it. you know, because divided things because i divided so many things going swimming, my kids, you know, can't you know, things that you can't you can't that time back. can't ever get that time back. life too short. life really is too short. >> you've done since that. >> but you've done since that. you've size modelling. you've done plus size modelling. you've done loads of stuff. >> yeah , i was determined after >> yeah, i was determined after naked beach like, didn't naked beach to like, i didn't want anyone else to feel like i'd felt. so i went on a bit of a journey of encouraging, you know, who, you know, you know, women who, you know, you still can be a curvy girl and pretty. you still can be a curvy girl and successful at work and

have relationships and be worthy of absolutely everything that everybody else can. you know, it's there's lot worser it's there's a lot worser things. there really is. so yeah, i did go on a journey. i started, a bit of a clothing brand at the time, which went really well. then, did a podcast in, in lockdown. i, then went on to do motivational talks up and down the uk to women and men. you know, it's not just women who have underactive thyroids and have, you know, body image problems , you know, but it was problems, you know, but it was nice to see some men in there , nice to see some men in there, you know, because i think that men don't really acknowledge it like women do, and then, yeah, i started doing the radio. so it's completely been a 360 turn for me. >> well, you won an award, didn't you? >> yeah , i did, i won an award, >> yeah, i did, i won an award, ladies of the north. it's called. it's simply ladies inc, a great woman called karen that does that. and with a really inspiring story as well. and it was inspirational women award.

and i got the unsung hero. so yeah. and that was a shock because i were nominated in four categories and i didn't even know about it, you know? so to get nominated, you know, i know that making that you're actually making a difference. and people are inspired by your story and inspired by your story and inspired by your story and inspired by what you've got to say is massive. you know, it's andifs say is massive. you know, it's and it's lovely . and it's lovely. >> well, congratulations. you you've done so much really. and inspired so many people, which is very impressive. talk to me about your what you're currently doing. what's your role at doing. what's your main role at the moment? i know you're on radio. >> oh yeah. so i obviously do the radio, which i love, but i'm also, where can people hear you on radio? oh, on radio, so i do, tuesday is bcb tuesday evenings, and i'm in talks with, i can't really say too much. a bigger station at the moment, but yeah, but i do recruitment as well. i do all sorts. i like to keep busy. >> yeah. so what would you say to anybody , who's kind of going to anybody, who's kind of going through similar through something similar to you? so you know, realising that

for, for condition , what for, for your condition, what was the condition, hypothyroidism. that life goes on, you know, if you are feeling really, really tired and really emotional for no reason and, you know, you're just noticing changes within your body, you know, your hair and your voice, please go and get a blood test because it's really serious. but please know as well that it's manageable. it really is manageable. it really is manageable. and you can live a really normal life as long as, you know, get the medication, get controlled , and you'll be get controlled, and you'll be absolutely fine. >> well, listen, it's been >> yeah, well, listen, it's been really good to meet and good really good to meet you and good to you. to talk to you. >> thank you much. >> thank you so much. >> thank you so much. >> you all the best. are >> i wish you all the best. are you still running clothing you still running your clothing range busy too >> no, i'm too busy now. too busy? too now. maybe >> no, i'm too busy now. too busgo too now. maybe >> no, i'm too busy now. too busgo too it now. maybe >> no, i'm too busy now. too busgo too it at now. maybe >> no, i'm too busy now. too busgo too it at ayw. maybe >> no, i'm too busy now. too busgo too it at a lateraybe i'll go back to it at a later date. but for not now. >> well, listen, you look fabulous. for fabulous. thank you so much for coming to talk me. coming to talk to me. >> thank much for having me. >> really appreciate that. so that's danielle and that's danielle broadbent, and she's through she's been working through an incredible she's been working through an incredi and teaching acceptance others and teaching acceptance and body positive mindset. so stay tuned. this is gb news. it's just coming up to 19

minutes after 5:00 on the way. my mini debate i'm asking are mps doing enough to deserve a pay mps doing enough to deserve a pay rise? i think they are getting about £93,000 or something. that's the next amount they'll be given . but amount they'll be given. but next for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should be prioritising should the nhs be prioritising net patient safety

? good 7 good afternoon. it's just coming up to 22 minutes after 5:00. this is gb news. we are the people's channel. i'm nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. and it's time now for the great british debate. this hour. and asking, this hour. and i'm asking, should prioritising should the nhs be prioritising net zero over patient safety? paramedic fear that patients will be forced to wait longer for ambulances to arrive, which, as we know, the wait is already substantial . and all of this

substantial. and all of this comes as the nhs is set to introduce electric ambulances, really raising concerns that the drive for net zero has been put above patient safety reports say that electric ambulances will take up to four hours to charge, and they will only travel an average of 70 miles. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should the nhs be prioritising net zero over patient safety? well, i'm joined now by broadcaster and motoring journalist danny kelly, physicist and engineer brian catt and deputy director of net zero watch, andrew montford . i'm zero watch, andrew montford. i'm going to start with you, andrew montford , is this not a montford, is this not a prioritisation of net zero over safety of patients? frankly it absolutely is. >> and it's not just the ambulances either. >> they're also looking at decarbonising the whole of the nhs operation. >> and they're also going to try and get nhs suppliers to

decarbonise as well. and when you think about it, that's absolutely ridiculous. the nhs is full of materials that are made from hydrocarbons. >> the plastic is everywhere in the nhs because it's cheap and hygienic and disposable, if we're going to say we're going to do without things like that, well, you know, it's going to be a disaster for patients, where i live, it's 40 miles to the nearest hospital. so one of these ambulances can maybe come and pick me up. but the these ambulances can maybe come and pick me up . but the next and pick me up. but the next call, well, it's going to have to recharge for four hours. i mean, this is an absolutely preposterous idea. i'm not quite sure how serious it actually is. they may well, in fact, be just doing this as a virtue signalling thing, and in fact, nothing or very little will happen. they will get an electric, ambulance and then they'll quietly forget about it and move on to other things. let's hope so, because it's going to be really expensive and really dangerous .

really dangerous. >> all right. well, let's go to bnan >> all right. well, let's go to brian catford. just an engineer , brian catford. just an engineer, is this a bad idea? because i'm imagining that all the things within the ambulance will use electricity as well, because that's the only power source they've got it. that they've got in it. isn't that a bit? couldn't everything just suddenly switch i don't suddenly switch off? i don't i don't why you would that, don't get why you would do that, but brian. but you tell me, brian. >> absolutely . >> absolutely. >> absolutely. >> the other thing is, of course you have to keep the ambulance warm, patient's warm, especially if a patient's in instance and the in shock or instance and the point, the point there is that the engine does that for you . the engine does that for you. and it doesn't do that in an electric vehicle . but the other electric vehicle. but the other point is no electric vehicle of this size is going to be net carbon net zero because the cradle to grave total emissions from manufacturing batteries . from manufacturing batteries. >> brian, could you move back a little bit away from your mic and then because because it's doing something odd. sorry. it's echoing . yeah. it's echoing. echoing. yeah. it's echoing. >> am yeah you are on. >> i am yeah you are on. >> that is true. shall i. that's

better . that's much better. better. that's much better. >> i'll just try and sort it out . you talk to somebody else and i'll shut up. >> no, you sound good. when you're saying that. you're fine. but let's to danny kelly. but let's go to danny kelly. danny, kelly. >> it's. >> it's. >> it's. >> it's a bendingly stupid proposal. >> nana. it's. >> nana. it's. >> they have energy zapping features on ambulances, like hydraulic wheelchair lifts. they have night—time heaters for the patients in the back of the winter and air conditioning to keep them cool in the summer. one of your first contributors said that he lives 40 miles away from he could be from a hospital so he could be picked up 40 miles away, but he wouldn't make back. if the wouldn't make it back. if the range only 70 miles there range is only 70 miles and there lies the problem. >> it may work in inner cities like birmingham or london, where you're literally doing 1 or 2 miles and ferrying people around. >> but if you live in rural warwickshire, for example, where there are villages littered around a massive county like yorkshire, the uk's biggest county, you're you're not going to have an ambulance. >> that's going to be able to

get down certain towns and villages and get you back to hospital. >> and that is the massive problem. there are three exemptions, in my view, ambulances , police cars and fire ambulances, police cars and fire engines because people's lives will be put at risk because of this stupidity . this stupidity. >> i just don't understand why, even for me , who is just i'm not even for me, who is just i'm not a you know, i'm not a whiz on net zero. i'm not an expert on climate, but even i can see that thatis climate, but even i can see that that is ludicrous. and it's going to cost billions. by the way . it's going to cost way. it's going to cost a fortune, can we i want to speak to andrew bamford about this, because the nhs really is struggling in terms of finance, even though it's given plenty of money and lots of it is getting wasted. is this a wise hang on it wise use of their cash , andrew. >> absolutely not. because these things are all going to be much more expensive than their, traditional alternatives, if you like. but i mean, you said nana that you don't understand why they would do anything so

foolish. and in many ways, i think we're all here wondering why anybody is proposing anything so foolish. the reason, i think , probably is that, and i think, probably is that, and i've said this before, but possibly even on your show, that net zero climate catastrophe or climate catastrophe ism, if you like, is a religion . but this is like, is a religion. but this is not really about doing anything practical. this is about signalling membership of the religion . so people like me who religion. so people like me who say this is a stupid idea, well, you know , this, this signals you know, this, this signals that i'm a heretic and that i don't believe, you know, if you like correct things, but by signalling something really daft, like building an electric ambulance, well, you are showing that you are really firm in your beliefs in climate catastrophes, so , so we should expect these so, so we should expect these sort of completely irrational things to happen because that's the way the mindset works. we need as a society, i think, to get back to , a much more

get back to, a much more rational approach, the rational way to look at this is it's daft and we should stop doing it. and i think we should be asking questions of the health secretary. why is this being allowed go forward? allowed to go forward? >> our money, it's >> well, it's our money, so it's our money that we are paying in our money that we are paying in our to support this our taxes to support this nonsense as far as i'm concerned. although, look , you concerned. although, look, you know, we've lost the guest who would have been in support of this given some of this or given some sort of balance. going to offer balance. so i'm going to offer you balance, which would be you that balance, which would be that, understand that we that, yes, we understand that we need efficient in the need to be more efficient in the way use all metals and way we use all the metals and precious things within this, within the world, so that we have good air. and, you know, everyone, everyone wants that. but we have to be realistic with the way we're doing it. and i just, just don't understand just, i just don't understand why this should case. why this should be the case. i've go finally to danny i've got to go finally to danny kelly. would there not kelly. danny, would there not be? no way that an be? is there no way that an electric vehicle would be a good plan? because know plan? because i know you're a motoring expert. you all motoring expert. you know all about vehicles . motoring expert. you know all about vehicles. is about different vehicles. is there any good? is there any positivity that could come out

of using electric ambulances? >> there's only negativity. >> no, there's only negativity. >> no, there's only negativity. >> an electric ambulance and an ambulance , powered by petrol or ambulance, powered by petrol or diesel, should be on the road available to ferry people around 24 hours a day. >> so you can do that with a diesel engine. you can just spend five minutes filling it up at pumps , but have to at the pumps, but you have to wait, according reports for wait, according to reports for hours. your ambulance hours. so your your ambulance has taken out for four has been taken out for four hours of 24 hours out of a 24 hour. >> that one sixth of a day. >> that is one sixth of a day. so in effect you're going to need to sorry need to buy 60. sorry >> you're going to need to buy well the equivalent shortfall in ambulances . and where are you ambulances. and where are you going to charge damn things. going to charge the damn things. you're have to you're then going to have to create car you're then going to have to createwith car you're then going to have to createwith charging car you're then going to have to createwith charging points. car parks with charging points. there no benefit there is there is no benefit whatsoever. nana i mentioned earlier there be some earlier on, there should be some exclusions , common sense exclusions, common sense exclusions, common sense exclusions, ambulances, police cars and fire engines. your question is very specific. should the nhs be prioritising net zero over patient safety ? net zero over patient safety? and the answer in my view is no and they will be doing so if they continue down this road. >> all right.

>> all right. >> thank you very much. and same question then finally, question to you. then finally, andrew, be andrew, should they be prioritising net zero over patient because is patient safety because this is what we're seeing. if that is the case they're going to go down this route. what do you think yes no. down this route. what do you thiryeah. no. down this route. what do you thiryeah. yeah». down this route. what do you thiryeah. yeah absolutely. they >> yeah. yeah absolutely. they they prioritising they should be prioritising patient patient patient safety because patient safety certain safety we are absolutely certain that if people don't get ambulances that they will they will be hurt. they will die, the harms of climate change are still very much hypothetical , still very much hypothetical, and so, yeah, we should deal with the certainties rather than the possibilities. >> interesting. very much. thank you much for that. andrew you so much for that. andrew montford and also danny kelly. see tomorrow, danny . see you tomorrow, danny. >> see you. >> see you. >> thank you. right. so that's what think. you what they think. what do you think know we did reach think we you know we did reach out we did have who out and we did have a guest who was how net was going to say how great net zero sadly just zero is, but sadly they just disappeared, news on disappeared, this is gb news on tv, online on digital radio. tv, online and on digital radio. i'm akua coming we'll i'm nana akua coming up, we'll continue british i'm nana akua coming up, we'll continuthis british i'm nana akua coming up, we'll continuthis hour. british i'm nana akua coming up, we'll continuthis hour. and british i'm nana akua coming up, we'll continuthis hour. and i'm'itish debate this hour. and i'm asking, should the nhs be prioritising net zero over patient safety? you'll hear the thoughts my panel, matthew thoughts of my panel, matthew laza and lizzie cundy. but first

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? hello. if you've just tuned in. where have you been? it's only 21 minutes to go. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. and it's time for the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking, should the nhs be prioritising net zero over

patient safety? paramedics fear that patients will be forced to wait longer for ambulances to arrive , and this comes as the arrive, and this comes as the nhs is set to introduce electric ambulances. i mean, this is raising concerns that the drive for net zero is being put above patient safety. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking should the nhs be prioritised net zero over patient safety? because that's all can see it is. matthew all i can see it is. matthew laza. >> so they shouldn't be prioritising net zero over patient safety. but i think it is perfectly legitimate to take into account your environmental impact, doesn't impact, as long as that doesn't impact, as long as that doesn't impact on patients. so if you can do the same thing in a more environmentally sustainable can do the same thing in a more enviro ifnentally sustainable can do the same thing in a more enviro if you'rey sustainable can do the same thing in a more enviro if you're goingainable can do the same thing in a more enviro if you're going to able can do the same thing in a more enviro if you're going to doe good. if you're going to do if your patients to your patients are going to suffer because the suffer because you're the choices go green, choices you've made to go green, then . then no. >> so in this instance. >> so in this instance. >> so in this instance. >> so look, want to know more >> so look, i want to know more about the environmental about >> so look, i want to know more abo electric nvironmental about >> so look, i want to know more abo electric ambulances. about >> so look, i want to know more abo electric ambulances. wellt >> so look, i want to know more aboecan ric ambulances. wellt >> so look, i want to know more abo ecan they nbulances. wellt >> so look, i want to know more aboecan they can.ances. wellt >> so look, i want to know more aboecan they can they 5. wellt >> so look, i want to know more aboecan they can they need.lt >> so look, i want to know more aboecan they can they need to they can they can they need to be charged for four hours. yeah. so it seems to me that in 70 miles an hour they can't go faster. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> so it seems to me that in urban where an ambulance urban areas where an ambulance in never getting

in london is never getting more than hour, then it than 70 miles an hour, then it may worth, you can show may be worth, if you can show that setting, that it works in that setting, then sounds to the then yes. it sounds to me at the moment a setting. moment in a rural setting. >> no, remember >> no, but remember these things. is powered by things. everything is powered by electricity. so what? there was a a little ago. a report a little while ago. i think it was week that came think it was last week that came out that a lot the out that said that a lot of the so—called things that your car or it can do, it'll or whatever it is can do, it'll say, electric car can do say, oh, electric car can do this it can that. in this and it can do that. in actual fact, of those actual fact, most of those things wrong. actual fact, most of those thirif, wrong. actual fact, most of those thirif, the)ng. actual fact, most of those thirif, the electric >> if, if, if the electric ambulance good a ambulance isn't as good as a normal a traditional normal ambulance, a traditional diesel it diesel ambulance, then no, it shouldn't but you shouldn't be used. but if you can the thing in a green can do the same thing in a green way, then i'm for it. but we've seen some these reports way, then i'm for it. but we've seenpeopleyme these reports way, then i'm for it. but we've seenpeopleyme asthmaeports that people have, asthma sufferers have to sufferers are going to have to have sort have different, different sort of work of inhaler, which doesn't work as and older as well for younger and older people. me seems people. that to me seems completely, so completely, completely daft. so let's some common sense here. >> yeah, this is absolute nonsense. coming >> yeah, this is absolute nonfrom 1. coming >> yeah, this is absolute nonfrom the coming >> yeah, this is absolute nonfrom the nhs coming >> yeah, this is absolute nonfrom the nhs management.g >> yeah, this is absolute nonfrom the nhs management. i'm out from the nhs management. i'm sorry. enough money in the nhs has been wasted already on the wrong things . now, in the break wrong things. now, in the break ispoke wrong things. now, in the break i spoke to my friend who actually does drive an ambulance and is absolutely in uproar about this, not only he actually

said it takes up to 5.5 hours to recharge. i mean, the statistics of this is never and also they're going to not be able to respond to as many incidents like five, 5000, 300 fewer incidents per day. will they be able to get to because it's going to take that long to recharge the ambulance . also, recharge the ambulance. also, there's lots of concern because they're too heavy for the roads, they're too heavy for the roads, the bridges, car parks to accommodate their weight. it is accommodate their weight. it is a real worry . this is absolute a real worry. this is absolute nonsense. the government has already intended to award 3.9 million to a project aimed at developing hydrogen powered vehicles for emergency services , vehicles for emergency services, what are we doing? well, why aren't we putting the money in the right places? why isn't patience the priority? patience being the priority? sorry, . you have to sorry, matthew. you have to agree with me. no. >> if you're if you're a cynic, you say that they've got 5.5 hours they're waiting hours because they're waiting outside. stuffed outside. a&e, which is stuffed full of the full of people because of the terrible a&e. look, terrible waits in a&e. look, absolutely. with you to absolutely. i agree with you to the extent if unless the extent that if unless something the something can be said to do the same for broadly the

same job, for, for broadly the same, ultimately the same job, for, for broadly the same,cost, ultimately the same job, for, for broadly the same,cost, then, ultimately the same job, for, for broadly the same,cost, then, and nately the same job, for, for broadly the same,cost, then, and if tely the same job, for, for broadly the same,cost, then, and if itly the same job, for, for broadly the same,cost, then, and if it can't same cost, then, and if it can't meet test, then my answer meet that test, then my answer is no, it shouldn't be sacrificed environmental sacrificed on environmental grounds. these grounds. i mean, one of these things giving things is that women giving childbirth, things is that women giving childbir more environmentally to have more environmentally friendly relief. friendly pain relief. >> now, that would be less effective them unless he can effective for them unless he can be equally effective. >> i can see the mothers of britain rising up against thing, quite rightly. >> nonsense. it >> it's absolute nonsense. it is. have to look at the is. you have to look at the facts here and a lot of those so—called. so when they say, oh, this can do 60 miles on one this car can do 60 miles on one charge. and a lot of that is actually wrong. so it's in the perfect with the perfect condition with the perfect condition with the perfect any perfect environment, without any wind or rain or cold, or once you start switching things on, i've been in people's cars where they've gone, oh , no, i've said, they've gone, oh, no, i've said, look, it's really cold in here. like some of the taxis that will pick up. so no, we don't want pick me up. so no, we don't want to heating on because to put the heating on because otherwise the otherwise it'll drain the battery. somebody battery. exactly. somebody switched off the radio because. and one power and the thing is, it's one power source. is running source. so everything is running on battery, whereas on on this one battery, whereas on a petrol controlled a diesel or petrol controlled vehicle got the diesel, vehicle you've got the diesel, petrol and there's a battery. so there alternative power

there are alternative power sources . soufces. >> sources. >> i think nothing should be used if it's not been tested properly be thought through properly and be thought through properly. bandwagon, just jump on a bandwagon, because to meet because they're trying to meet targets. they should be driven by sense, course. by common sense, of course. >> you with their >> what do you do with their batteries after they're heavy? >> happens and they're >> what happens to and they're particularly larger particularly heavy in larger vehicles you vehicles at the moment. you battery operated commercial vehicles small market. vehicles is a very small market. so in small city cars it kind of works a bit better. so it's about common sense. and sometimes the nhs seems go sometimes the nhs seems to go right, you like right, like, you know, like a rabbit headlights, right rabbit in the headlights, right on tracks. to mix my on the tram tracks. to mix my metaphors down in metaphors right down in one direction without thinking metaphors right down in one directiorwhatout thinking metaphors right down in one directiorwhat its thinking metaphors right down in one directiorwhat its impactg metaphors right down in one directiorwhat its impact on real through what its impact on real people is. >> by 2030, the entire net zero fleet will be ready by 2045. so the estimates suggest that will cost about 70 million to make the 480 ambulances, in the west midlands, that's alone and around 150,000 per vehicle over the next five years. >> oh, actually , more wasted money. >> i live right around the corner from the headquarters of the london ambulance service, who do a great but their who do a great job, but their ambulances, got a ambulances, they've got quite a

lot they create, you lot outside. they do create, you know, diesel fumes. know, all the diesel fumes. so ultimately, if we ultimately, you know, if we can make it it's good, but make it work, it's good, but it's and just be it's got to work and not just be for of ideology. for the sake of ideology. >> let's see what what the >> well, let's see what what the viewers think show is viewers think of this show is nothing and their nothing without them and their views. great views. let's welcome our great british voices, their opportunity show opportunity to be on the show and they think and tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing today. only got discussing today. i've only got two but it's two two of you. wow. but it's two very brilliant voices. i'm going to julie ford in to start with julie ford in bedfordshire. so electric ambulances all battery operated ambulances, battery powered , i ambulances, battery powered, i think a great idea on paper , think a great idea on paper, like most of these ideas are. and i certainly agree with what matthew said, that we need to be looking at more net zero and eco friendly ways of doing things, but the main issue we've got here is the nhs are already haemorrhaging money. this is not really what focus needs to really what their focus needs to be. and my concern is if these ambulances need to charge for 4 hours or 5 hours and there's a major incident, let's say god forbid we have another terrorist attack and these ambulances have just gone on charge. we can't

wait hours them to be wait four hours for them to be ready . at least if they ready to go. at least if they were on the red light for the petrol, nip to the petrol, you can nip to the petrol, you can nip to the petrol put the petrol petrol station, put the petrol in. good go. you're in. you're good to go. you're gone. there's major gone. if there's a major incident. think incident. i don't think these are vehicles move forward are the vehicles to move forward with. does a bit of a with. it does sound a bit of a ridiculous . ridiculous thing. >> david balm in watford i can only agree with julian everyone. i mean i'd like to expand this out even further. in wales the road limits are 20 miles an hour including for ambulances , as including for ambulances, as have people lost common sense , have people lost common sense, bannau said. >> exclude ambulances for fire bngade >> exclude ambulances for fire brigade and police. >> it should be by law mandatory that these these groups are excused any stupidity, these people in charge have had a frontal lobotomy and forgot about common sense. i don't know, it's stupid. >> well, listen, thank you so much thoughts , julie much for your thoughts, julie and david. exactly. i'm. we've struggled to find anybody that thinks it's a good idea, so i don't know where they found

someone it was someone that thought it was a good to come and do good idea to come and do this. it's unbelievable, it? it's unbelievable, isn't it? really? you really? anyone at home? if you think idea, in think it's a good idea, get in touch. at news. com touch. gb views at gb news. com at least we'll one person at least we'll have one person saying a good idea. kevin, saying it's a good idea. kevin, on he on the emergency vehicles, he said entirely said they should be entirely mechanical. diesel injection. jim nhs said would jim on the nhs said i would really to love meet the person who thought electric ambulances was idea and the people was a great idea and the people who implemented it. i'm with you because we're struggling to find anyone go along with because we're struggling to find anyo clive go along with because we're struggling to find anyo clive on go along with because we're struggling to find anyo clive on the go along with because we're struggling to find anyo clive on the nhsong with because we're struggling to find anyo clive on the nhs on with because we're struggling to find anyo clive on the nhs on this] this. clive on the nhs on this topic says not only are the nhs doing daft and stupid things and putting people's lives at risk with electric ambulances, but the army are now doing the same thing with their land rovers. really? and then said that really? and then david said that dannyis really? and then david said that danny is spot on. this is pure virtue signalling. unbelievable. the woke nhs management are happy to put real lives at risk to prove a pointless point. bonkers well, thank you for your thoughts. yeah, we think the same thing, but this is a story that caught my eye and i just wanted to draw to yours. mps wanted to draw it to yours. mps pay wanted to draw it to yours. mps pay than pay rise could be more than £90,000. next year's. a

£90,000. that's next year's. a parliamentary watchdog raised the salaries by inflation busting 5.5. we'll discuss that after this

this -- this is gb news. welcome on board. if you're just tuned in. where have you been? it's almost the end of the show. but it isn't, though. now, we were briefly discussing pay briefly discussing mps pay rises, to go rises, but i'm going to go straight quick fire quiz , straight to my quick fire quiz, because part of the because this is the part of the show i test panel show where i test my panel on some other hitting some of the other topics hitting the right now, i'm the headlines. right now, i'm joined adviser to the joined by former adviser to the labour laza your labour party, matthew laza your buzzer, please, matthew, and also broadcast from columnist lizzie please lizzie cundy. your buzzer please . right. so please play along at home, remember , you need to home, remember, you need to answer after the puzzle. don't try and answer. you know , try and answer. you know, because i get quite annoyed by that. >> and that's not a prospect anybody wants to see. >> and that's not a prospect anyquestionits to see. >> and that's not a prospect anyquestion one. see. >> and that's not a prospect anyquestion one. alle. >> and that's not a prospect anyquestion one. all right. >> question one. all right. which headliner has which glastonbury headliner has been announced to headline for the fifth time? is it a the arctic monkeys b coldplay or c the foo fighters? oh, i don't

know. who's that ? matthew laza know. who's that? matthew laza b coldplay b coldplay, lizzie cundy a arctic monkey. you can. the answer is b coldplay. you're right. yay >> well done. that was good. >> well done. that was good. >> thank you. that just came straight out of the clock. >> it was. we were loving that bit of improvisation. >> now they're going to headline the night glastonbury the sunday night glastonbury festival the sunday night glastonbury festiv have you ever been to the. time. have you ever been to the. >> you've been to glastonbury? >> you've been to glastonbury? >> i've never. i don't do mud. no no i don't unless i'm going in a winnebago. right. question two which of my friends went one year back with year and they all came back with an from the mud. oh an infection from the mud. oh >> wasn't the mud >> maybe it wasn't the mud question two which female member of the royal family has had a replica barbie made of them? >> matthew laza. >> matthew laza. >> it is the queen. queen camilla. really? >> it's the queen. >> it's the queen. >> really. the queen, the queen. queen. camilla. you think so? she got barbie. yes. that's right, it is queen camilla. she got her own barbie doll . oh it's got her own barbie doll. oh it's fantastic. that's her. is that the doll of her? fantastic. that's her. is that the that'sf her? fantastic. that's her. is that the that's that's that's that's >> that's that's that's that's her the doll.

her clutching the doll. >> need. you need >> the doll you need. you need to go to. >> i love that wearing the same identical fantastic identical outfits. fantastic >> that's nicely done. >> i know that's nicely done. >> i know that's nicely done. >> a barbie. we should >> i want a barbie. we should have barbie. >> yeah. and ken, you're you're ken. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> do you want me to sing like ryan gosling at the oscars? >> with alternating weeks? >> with alternating weeks? >> we've >> i need one, as we've discussed before, i wasn't going to say that. >> true or false question three the cheltenham festival, which concluded less concluded yesterday, has less attendance fees this season compared to last year. lizzie cundy true, true, she says that's false. you might as well go with false. the answer is it's true. >> lizzie cundy. you know why ? >> lizzie cundy. you know why? because they cancelled ladies day. >> oh i know. >> oh i know. >> star wednesday style wednesday. >> the total attendance figure for festival was 2024, was for the festival was 2024, was 2200 and 229,999, down from 240,603 last season . question 240,603 last season. question for who? who will be new first minister of wales? is it a jeremy marles b warren gatland or c vaughan gething ? i'm going

or c vaughan gething? i'm going to have to. you were first matthew c my good pal vaughan . matthew c my good pal vaughan. getty vaughan gethin, you're absolutely indeed. absolutely right. it is indeed. oh, you now he's showing oh, look at you now he's showing off. yeah. so he was he's replaced mark drakeford mad mask mandate as some people mandate mark as some people like to obviously he to call him. but obviously he was great leader as the leader was a great leader as the leader of welsh labour. and he'll of the welsh labour. and he'll become the next first minister of the welsh labour. and he'll bewales,�*|e next first minister of the welsh labour. and he'll bewales, whicht first minister of the welsh labour. and he'll bewales, whicht f quite inister of wales, which is quite impressive . finally, closest impressive. finally, closest answer wins. was wales answer wins. what was the wales versus italy score in the six nations? lizzie cundy i didn't watch the game. >> italy won 2022 to 3, 22 to 3 matthew laza 18 to 4. >> it's going to be complicated. ihope >> it's going to be complicated. i hope one of you at least got it right. 21 to 24, i think i was nervous, i don't know to what do. i can't work that out, i think. lizzie. lizzie. >> lizzie, i was nervous, so i didn't watch the game, so i won because i know i don't know, i was near it anyway. >> lizzie, you can't win because he's anyway. so he's got three points anyway. so this that wales have this means, yes, that wales have finished of the for finished bottom of the table for the in years. yes, the first time in 21 years. yes, right. is it? on today's right. what is it? on today's show? been asking,

show? i've been asking, should the tories get rid of rishi sunak before the next general election ? and according to our election? and according to our twitter poll, 79% of you say yes, they should and 20% of you say no one even shows how angry people are. >> that's brilliant. it's totally disillusioned with rishi. they want him out. >> yeah. wow. wow. well, i don't think it makes a difference to be honest, but thank you so much to broadcast from to my panel broadcast from columnist lizzie cundy. lizzie cundy, so much. cundy, thank you so much. thank you. former you. and also former labour party matthew lazor. you. and also former labour party you. matthew lazor. you. and also former labour party you. but atthew lazor. you. and also former labour party you. but first ew lazor. you. and also former labour party you. but first let'szor. you. and also former labour party you. but first let's go thank you. but first let's go over next time over because up next it's time for the saturday five. and joining grimes and joining us is darren grimes and ben leo. >> guys what's coming up on nana jam packed show. >> it's going to be as fabulous as yours has been. we're going to be discussing actually, are we nhs because there we safe in the nhs because there are people with fake qualifications that have been coming to this country. >> and electric ambulances. >> and electric ambulances. >> electric ambulances. >> yeah, an electric ambulances. >> yeah, an electric ambulances. >> of course. >> of course. >> this net zero madness that you discussing earlier nana you were discussing earlier nana it's people. you were discussing earlier nana it's putting3le. you were discussing earlier nana it's putting people's lives >> it's putting people's lives at . at risk. >> i'm going to be making the case a cashless society.

case for a cashless society. we need keep banknotes in need to keep our banknotes in the sainsbury's and the wake of the sainsbury's and tesco fiasco. today, they're not accepting cards because the accepting cards because of the tech meghan markle best tech madness. meghan markle best places to live in uk. can places to live in the uk. can you where is? holly you guess where it is? holly valance in valance obviously back in reform. mordaunt she reform. penny mordaunt is she going to be a good replacement for it happens? for rishi sunak if it happens? she it. and also harry she denies it. and also harry potter are adults. >> shameless filibuster of >> this shameless filibuster of liz truss bill that would have actually protected and safeguarded kids in this the whole trans debate . whole trans debate. >> it really shameless actually of labour to do that. but we'll debate all of that with benjamin butterworth's replacement, who is kai wilshire. >> we managed to find another one and a man even wokester than be. >> absolutely. it's going to be one hell of a show. so join us seven till six till eight, even seven till six till eight, even seven till six till eight, even seven till eight. that was my old show. six till eight. we'll see you then. >> i wonder, is he a permanent replacement? only joking. love replacement? only joking. i love benjamin . well, thank you again benjamin. well, thank you again to my fabulous lizzie to my fabulous panel. lizzie cundy lazo . and as cundy and matthew lazo. and as even cundy and matthew lazo. and as ever, thank you to at home ever, thank you to you at home for company. look forward for your company. i look forward

to tomorrow. same to seeing you tomorrow. same time, place 3:00. be there, time, same place 3:00. be there, be joining me tomorrow be square. joining me tomorrow will be the fabulous danny kelly and also the incredible i know they're watching now christine hamilton. so i look to hamilton. so i look forward to seeing you stay tuned. seeing you then. stay tuned. loads come here on loads more still to come here on gb don't forget you can gb news. don't forget you can download or why download the gb news app or why not check out everything we have to offer and download things live on youtube. don't forget to look up monologue. me look up my monologue. give me a like i'll you tomorrow 3:00. like i'll see you tomorrow 3:00. same same enjoy! same time, same place. enjoy! because up next it's the saturday five. i'll you saturday five. i'll leave you with weather. with the weather. >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. so it's been a cloudy and wet afternoon for many of us, all due to an area of low pressure that's been moving its way towards the uk through the rest of saturday and will way north and will push its way north and eastwards overnight tonight and into this

into the start of sunday. this will bring some heavy rain and has already brought some heavy rain, particularly to parts of southern could southern scotland. we could even see across hills see some snow across the hills and overnight and into the early hours sunday. some further hours of sunday. some further heavy pushes up the heavy rain pushes up from the southwest, of southwest, affecting parts of england and wales. under all that cloud and rain it will be a very night , temperatures very mild night, temperatures not below 11 not dropping much below 10 or 11 degrees, but further north there will be some brighter spells and that to that will allow temperatures to drop single drop into the low single figures. start for figures. so a chilly start for northern ireland parts of northern ireland and parts of scotland, sunshine scotland, with some sunshine widespread regions widespread across these regions in the morning through through the afternoon. band the afternoon. though, that band of pushes its way eastward, of rain pushes its way eastward, so sunshine developing so some sunshine developing for much later much of england and wales later as well. there will be some showers through the showers bubbling up through the afternoon. be quite afternoon. they could be quite heavy another heavy in places, but another very temperatures as very mild day. temperatures as high as 16 or 17 degrees across the south and even for scotland, we could see in the double figures monday , a band of rain figures monday, a band of rain situated across the uk pushes its eastwards, leaving a its way eastwards, leaving a dner its way eastwards, leaving a drier day for most of us. plenty of sunshine through the rest of the morning, but northern

the morning, but for northern ireland, cloudier ireland, turning much cloudier as we head the afternoon as we head into the afternoon with heavy rain arriving, with that heavy rain arriving, it does then unsettled it does then remain unsettled through with through much of next week, with temperatures widely above average for time of year, average for the time of year, perhaps 16 or 17 on that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on

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>> and liz truss's reform was scuppered in parliament. so we'll be talking about trans issues in parliament. >> it's 6 pm. and this is the saturday five. welcome to the saturday five. the very best saturday night takeaway that you could possibly order. expect fiery debate, spicy opinions, and a huge topping of fun . but folks, topping of fun. but folks, benjamin butterworth is off the grid tonight. he's painting the town red for his 40th birthday. that's right, the big four row. a time when life hands you lemons and expects you to make g and ts out of them will be missing the wokeist man in britain. but fret not, his unwavering devotion to all things tony blair is shared by the only other member of the tony blair appreciation society , tony blair appreciation society, and we've managed to nab him. what a treat. the premise of the show is very simple. each host