about a chosen topic, argument about a chosen topic, and then we all pile in and the fur starts to fly. and of course, we want to know your views as well. get in touch by emailing gbviews@gbnews.com. but before we start tearing each other apart, it's your saturday night news with . aaron. night news with. aaron. >> very good evening to you. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. thousands of customers haven't had their online shopping delivered after major supermarket hit by an supermarket hits were hit by an it fault. sainsbury's the it fault. sainsbury's say the issues today have been resolved, but orders will go out until but no orders will go out until tomorrow. it says contactless payments , though, are back up payments, though, are back up and running in stores. shoppers had been queuing for cash machines earlier to buy their groceries at tesco is still experiencing technical outages , experiencing technical outages, both in store and online. both supermarkets have apologised for the convenience. vaughan gething is set to become the next first minister of wales after winning

the labour leadership contest. mr gething, who will become the first black leader of any european country, won a narrow contest with 51.7% of the vote. his only rival, jeremy miles, got 48.3. he is expected to replace mark drakeford as first minister on wednesday, following a vote in the senate , and says a vote in the senate, and says after 25 years of devolution, he remains committed to the cause. >> today we turn a page in the book of our nation's history , a book of our nation's history, a history that we write together, not just because i have the honour of becoming the first black leader in any european country , but because a country, but because a generational dial has jumped to like ken and jane. devolution is not something that i have had to get used to or to adapt to, or to apologise for. devolution. welsh solutions to welsh problems and opportunities is in my blood.

>> scotland's first minister says the snp must win in the upcoming general election. addressing the party's campaign council in perth, humza yousaf called on members to make history by making scotland , history by making scotland, quote, tory free. he claims most scottish seats in the next general election are a straight fight between the snp and tories, and says the campaign will be easy, claiming our opponents will throw everything at us. >> the prize for scotland is not just this constituency . we have just this constituency. we have the opportunity to ensure that scotland is tory free, not just. not a single tory mp left in scotland. delegates that is definitely a prize worth fighting for. >> the female employee suspended by formula one, red bull, has formally appealed against the decision to clear team principal christian horner of controlling behaviour. she made the allegation earlier this month but was suspended as a direct

result of red bull's inquiry. horner was allowed to continue in his role. he was cleared of any wrongdoing . a motorists have any wrongdoing. a motorists have been avoiding the m25 five today after the first ever planned daytime closure . it began late daytime closure. it began late last night and drivers have been warned to stay away from the five mile stretch in surrey between junctions ten and 11 until 6 am. on monday morning. an 11.5 mile diversion route has been created as traffic is directed along a roads. our south east of england reporter ray addison has been speaking to some of those affected. >> any improvement there are going to be consequences which are what we're seeing. but as we see today, it's not bad . see today, it's not bad. >> i've got a problem. it's brilliant. it's brilliant. every day close it every day. why.7 well, day close it every day. why? well, because there's no traffic . we can go anywhere. my wife got to work in 15 minutes this morning. >> normally you've got about 10 or 11 cars queuing up. nothing.

what is happened? what has happened? is that publicity is put out to people. don't travel and they're not. and that's the point. so it's a success as far as i'm concerned. >> i'm prepared for it. i make sure i don't have to go out in the car today. so so yes, i've noficed the car today. so so yes, i've noticed a steady stream of traffic both sides. >> and for the latest stories you can sign up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen now or go to gb news. com slash alerts now back to the saturday five. >> she has aaron. it's saturday night folks. and here's are with the saturday five. i'm darren grimes and i can promise you're in for a very lively hour. let's crack on with tonight's first debate. we're going to go first to ben leo. yes, please . to ben leo. yes, please. >> right, obviously today it was all about the shambles of the supermarket, sainsbury's, tesco, some sort of tech attack. maybe they were hacked. who knows?

we'll find out, i suspect, in a few days. but the one big takeaway from it, in my opinion, has all the stores had has been that all the stores had to card and to cancel card payments and instead taking cash. instead start taking cash. and for me, what a relief. for me, god, what a relief. compared the last couple of compared to the last couple of years, the amount of times i've been to coffee shops and so on in london they don't take in london where they don't take cash all. and actually, i'm cash at all. and actually, i'm a big cash is king big cash advocate. cash is king in book. number one in my book. the number one feature cash is privacy. and feature of cash is privacy. and these days can't, go these days you can't, go anywhere without someone demanding a contactless card payment. whatever happened to just slipping a tenner to your grandkids and whatever else? so my big appeal today is for the government, for shops, supermarkets everywhere to take a bit more care and prioritise cash, a little bit more than they have been in the last couple of years. because we saw today the effects of technology when it goes alby, you when it goes wrong. alby, you were saying earlier that you don't reckon people are bothered that much about cash anymore? >> know, i just >> well, i, you know, i just come on, you know, i use my apple pay. it's so much easier than using cash. think when

than using cash. i think when people cash, they can to people need cash, they can go to a cash and on this story a cash point. and on this story about tesco and sainsbury's all malfunctioning not malfunctioning and people not being their their being able to get their their tesco sainsbury's orders, tesco and sainsbury's orders, why people just, know, why can't people just, you know, get derrieres and go get off their derrieres and go down to the supermarket themselves, everyone. is it a big deal or not. that is it. yeah, but how did people do things before ? things before? >> elderly people ask a neighbour who asked a neighbour. >> it's not fits all. >> it's not one size fits all. come on this the world got by fine before we had food deliveries. >> come on. what happened to asking a neighbour to go and get your groceries? >> just going back to the point doesn't shambles doesn't it? today's shambles prove be more prove that we should be more encouraging of cash shops. for example, london should be example, in london should be taking it. we shouldn't be going into coffee shops or restaurants where they say, oh, don't where they say, oh, we don't take cash. does it. they take cash. that does it. they should be. >> does irritate cash. that >> that does irritate cash. that does me. does irritate me. >> let's it what >> right. let's call it for what it is. kind of thing is it is. this kind of thing is going to happen and more going to happen more and more with kind of outages as with these kind of outages as cyber attacks more cyber attacks become more frequent. so can't get frequent. so we can't get ourselves in a tizzy every single company single time a large company has a look at the chaos it's caused.

single time a large company has a l(|rk at the chaos it's caused. single time a large company has a l(| mean, e chaos it's caused. single time a large company has a l(| mean, look|os it's caused. single time a large company has a l(| mean, look at it's caused. single time a large company has a l(| mean, look at look:aused. single time a large company has a l(| mean, look at look at sed. single time a large company has a l(| mean, look at look at the >> i mean, look at look at the chaos. and this is just two supermarkets. you imagine supermarkets. can you imagine a situation say, the situation where, say, the government go down, government websites go down, people their their people can't access their their bank accounts or social bank accounts or their social credit i . mag|ne? imagine? the says there's other >> the chaos says there's other options. people can go to the shop. but it's true. you know, a lot of people do have to do their shop. i their massive weekly shop. i mean, haven't how many mean, you haven't seen how many diet i buy. diet cokes i buy. >> that stuff is heavy. >> that stuff is heavy. >> but also we've become a happy tappy >> but also we've become a happy tappy now. and it starts tappy society now. and it starts from the younger generation. now they're growing where tapping they're growing up where tapping is easy. no one talks about the value of cash anymore . so i feel value of cash anymore. so i feel like it's a little too late now. it's a generational shift. >> and none of you concerned about the lack of privacy with no with a lack of cash. >> if you've got nothing to hide, what's the problem? >> no no no no . albee, >> no no no no no no. albee, edward snowden, take heed of this quote because i love it. edward snowden once said, people that say they've they don't that say they've got they don't care privacy because care about privacy because they've to hide is they've got nothing to hide is they've got nothing to hide is the as saying they don't the same as saying they don't care about free speech because

they've say. they've got nothing to say. it's your actually, your human right. and actually, i go and spend some i want to go and spend some money with a tradesman and pay him cash. i'll do him in cash. i'll do that. i don't want the government knowing going on in my knowing what's going on in my bank account. >> it's all about control, ultimately, right? because hmrc are going to be able to go through account of through your bank account as of next so this is what it's next year. so this is what it's all about to get you spending in on cards, etc. get your on your cards, etc. get your away cash so the treasury away from cash so the treasury can more. and all can take in more. and it's all about control and i'll be supporting all the way. supporting it all the way. >> come on, bank >> no, darren. come on, bank cards easy people to cards are easy for people to use. pay is easy for use. apple pay is easy for people to use. people should have the to use cash. have the choice to use cash. of course should. not course they should. i'm not saying let's rid of cash. saying let's get rid of cash. i'm just not into this conspiracy theory it's all conspiracy theory that it's all about control. easier to use. >> use. >> see what happens to the canadian bankers during covid. they vaccine they protested against vaccine mandates and as a mandates and lockdowns, and as a result corporal result, trudeau, corporal trudeau like some trudeau acting like some draconian authoritarian, closed all their bank accounts, seized all their bank accounts, seized all their bank accounts, seized all their donations, go fund me. and just giving seized all the money they were given just for processing civil liberties loans that trump had were cancelled.

>> and think the same with >> and i think the same with kanye west. now, i agree, kanye west has said some pretty unsavoury things, but i don't think he should lose his some bank account. >> how do you manage to weave trump into almost every discussion i have? it is a skill . it is a skill of yours. darren. look, this is a simple technological thing about about ease. and in this situation, it probably would have been easier if more people had cash. i agree with the general point that i think there should be more businesses that accept cash. it does irritate me, quite frankly, when i signs that say we when i do see signs that say we don't take cash because i think, well, legal tender, i think well, it's legal tender, i think businesses should have a duty to take also we to take cash, but also we have to accept that lots of people use cashless ways of paying for things because it's easier. >> and also it's a bit unfair. whilst in the absence of benjamin butterworth, who seems to against the to have an agenda against the elderly this show, elderly generation on this show, i'm stick up them i'm going to stick up for them now, because actually a lot of the older people don't have

mobile apps and mobile phones and apps and contact like go and contact pay. they like to go and get their pensions from the post office in cash and pay for things when there's things in cash. so when there's so businesses and outlets things in cash. so when there's so restaurants sses and outlets things in cash. so when there's so restaurants refusing outlets things in cash. so when there's so restaurants refusing to tlets things in cash. so when there's so restaurants refusing to take and restaurants refusing to take hard money, what it is. hard money, that's what it is. it's money. they're in it's hard money. they're left in a position. it's hard money. they're left in a pi;ition. it's hard money. they're left in a pi don't think it's hard money. they're left in a p i don't think this it's hard money. they're left in a pi don't think this is really >> i don't think this is really about control. is not about control. tescos is not interested in what you and i are buying every week. really well. they isn't interested. >> that's they've got the >> that's why they've got the credit so they can see credit cards so they can see what you're buying. >> but that's aggregated out right? general right? and they look at general trends at you, trends not looking at what you, darren have buying. darren grimes have been buying. what did you think. >> what did you what you >> what did you what did you think canadian truckers think of the canadian truckers dunng think of the canadian truckers duri|g think of the canadian truckers duri have not heard that story >> i have not heard that story right. horror . right. shock, horror. >> but where do you even find a cash machine? these days? it's like a dying thing. >> there's one at the end of my road. >> oh, well, that must be one of few if you do. >> if you do find one, they charge you £3.50 for the privilege of taking your own money out. >> yeah, the government said they were to ban that. did they were going to ban that. did they were going to ban that. did they do that? in the end?

they not do that? in the end? >> i think that was that part of gb news don't kill cash campaign. they didn't shouldn't gb news don't kill cash camjdidn. they didn't shouldn't gb news don't kill cash camjdid makey didn't shouldn't gb news don't kill cash camjdid make some 't shouldn't gb news don't kill cash camjdid make some pledgesin't they did make some pledges protect i'm going to step in >> anyway, i'm going to step in now. i want to talk about now. right. i want to talk about the migrant madness. could the migrant madness. that could be making sure be very well making sure actually the nhs deeply actually that the nhs is deeply unsafe the guardian unsafe. safe. even the guardian is you know that even is saying it. you know that even if the guardian questioning if the guardian is questioning things, must be things, then things must be pretty for the nhs pretty serious for the nhs because have been because people have been actually forward openly actually coming forward openly tweeting, x to display tweeting, using x to display their disregard for rules and regulations when it comes to having the right qualifications to ensure safeguarding and all the rest of it. so this this tweet here says this is true and it's talking about i didn't realise african kids were working out here doing their parents university work. no wonder many nurses seem mad. wonder so many nurses seem mad. they're not qualified now , she they're not qualified now, she says this is true. this is why i don't care. i make it clear i don't care. i make it clear i don't want to be treated by them in hospital. i mean, you know that that's a pretty serious allegation in and of itself. and

these tweets, there are more of them all over twitter making clear. and i think the guardian highlighted nigeria in particular. but this hashtag free palestine account, there's the guardian report nhs nurses being investigated for industrial scale qualifications fraud and well as i said there, so who's who's not checking the authenticity. no they are checking them in this guardian report. they actually argued that it's been the qualification section is being completed by proxy. so it's being completed . proxy. so it's being completed. you know it isn't the individual that's coming over here. >> i did a story in yesteryear at my time on newspapers of people who can buy dissertations online, university dissertations . so someone will write it for you for like, i don't know, a couple of grand and you'll submit them to the university. and most of the time they pass. >> had more tweet. >> right. we had one more tweet. i want to show the i just want to show you the extent to which this was all over twitter. audrey says over twitter. and so audrey says , i could tell you all about the septic shock. mean, good god,

, i could tell you all about the septsaying.:. mean, good god, , i could tell you all about the septsaying. andrean, good god, , i could tell you all about the septsaying. and the , good god, , i could tell you all about the septsaying. and the quote god, , i could tell you all about the septsaying. and the quote tweet just saying. and the quote tweet there. realise africa there. i didn't realise africa kids were actually out there doing their parents uni work. that's one we had that's the one that we had before. mean, honestly, there before. i mean, honestly, there are loads these. there are are loads of these. there are the whole collection that free palestine people the palestine one. people in the court tweets very surprised court tweets are very surprised when spend time hospital . when you spend time in hospital. you'll frauds left, you'll see the frauds left, right centre and bear right and centre and bear surprise surprised surprise means very surprised for know for people that don't know london slang . london slang. >> look, i am absolutely shocked to read about this story. >> why would you tweet it? >> why would you tweet it? >> well, why would you tweet it? first of all, and one of the tweets referenced septic shock. i actually had septic shock. i nearly died not too far away from here, just at the hospital, saint across the saint mary's hospital across the canal. think that canal. and to think that nowadays we are not checking people's qualifications properly nowadays we are not checking pe0|actually lifications properly nowadays we are not checking pe0|actually people ns properly nowadays we are not checking pe0|actually people are)roperly nowadays we are not checking pe0|actually people are faking' and actually people are faking their qualifications in order to game the system, get a job in game the system, to get a job in our charity nhs. i think that is shocking. look, we do have a nursing shortage in this country that unfortunately require .

that does unfortunately require. that we have to bring in immigrant nurses from other countries. but the thought that they are gaming the system is appalling. >> is it is it ever okay, say someone fraudulently qualifies as a nurse, but they do a good job for decades and decades, and they're their patients they're loved by their patients and colleagues. is that and colleagues. yeah. is that ever and colleagues. yeah. is that evei don't think it's okay that >> i don't think it's okay that they are cheating the system. but if these people are actually filling the gap where british nurses are not standing or nurses are not standing up or not filling the lack of not filling for the lack of nurses have in this country, nurses we have in this country, then actually helping then they're actually helping people. and what i hate about these is that taints , these stories is that it taints, in nurses in particular, african nurses with image . you know, most with a bad image. you know, most of these nurses come here of these nurses come in here because about because they're passionate about helping is helping patients. and this is what a of in this what we got a lack of in this country. in this story, country. and in this story, they've said, nhs are they've said, look, the nhs are onto it now, they're going to be investigating this. but they said these people may potentially get a second chance because the know that they because the nhs know that they provide to a crumbling provide value to a crumbling system. yeah i love that because it back to the argument it goes back to the argument about need to it goes back to the argument abo anyway need to it goes back to the argument abo anyway to need to it goes back to the argument abo anyway to survive ad to

it goes back to the argument abo anyway to survive ad life, to uni anyway to survive in life, but i bloody well hope the nhs is taking it seriously. >> do know what i >> do you know what i mean? i wouldn't want be treated by wouldn't want to be treated by someone doesn't know what someone that doesn't know what they're someone that doesn't know what the if e the case, someone that doesn't know what the ife the case, the nhs >> if that's the case, the nhs is the seventh largest employer in not just the in the world, not just the largest in the uk. right so it's 1.2 million people who work in the nhs now. there will always be rotten apples. this is a drop in the ocean compared to the amazing work that most of the employers nhs. employers of the nhs. >> yeah, but even if there's >> yeah, but but even if there's one, it's quite a big deal because that could mean life or death, you know, i mean, and actually i would argue that this means serious means we ought to get serious about home—grown talent and actually ensuring that people in this think you should this i don't think you should pay this i don't think you should pay to become pay for a degree to become a nurse or doctor. nurse or a doctor. >> in fact, going back to >> and in fact, going back to what ben leo just said, maybe it's not. i don't need to say your full name now. >> there's only one ben here tonight. >> there's only one ben here ton iiht. actually, i think >> i don't actually, i think it's probably unnecessary. you know, in day, we all know, back in the day, we all managed to survive with nurses that have more degrees that didn't have more degrees than only what than goodness. only knows what steve he have a degree

steve jobs did. he have a degree ? i don't think richard branson never went to a whole of never went to a whole host of people . i it strikes me as people. i it strikes me as wrong, but i do think we need a laser like focus on actually home grown recruitment and ensuring that that are ensuring that that there are incentives here. we're not incentives here. and we're not just people off to just sending people off to australia, example. australia, for example. >> it goes to how >> well, it goes to show how passionate you if want passionate you are if you want to qualified nurse, i'm to become a qualified nurse, i'm sure people out there sure there's people out there who will scrimp and save to make sure they do get that sure that they do get that qualification. i know it's hard times, you want it bad times, but if you want it bad enough, you'll hard for it. enough, you'll go hard for it. >> i also think it comes to >> i also think when it comes to getting nurses and doctors from abroad, i think there's something about something inherently cruel about rich relying rich western economies relying on poorer countries to get their health care workers when actually nigeria needs nurses more than britain does. ghana needs nurses more than britain does. so does the philippines. and we're taking of and yet we're taking all of the best bringing it best talent and bringing it here. there actually here. so there is actually i think, a progressive and fair case for bringing down

immigration because it's not right that we're this brain drain is happening. >> i mean, that's never going to happen under your is it? happen under your party, is it? mass is. well, tony mass migration is. well, tony blair it. was a blair loved it. was he a conservative? tony blair opened the taps and said, more, more, more. >> and it's hardly changed in 13, 14 years of tory government. i mean, are we still talking i mean, why are we still talking about things happened two about things that happened two decades well, decades ago? i mean, well, because back. because you're coming back. >> worst comeback since >> it's the worst comeback since i know and you'll and i don't know what and you'll and the will be the pudding. >> success of the. >> success of the. >> well, i look, going to >> well, i look, i was going to say look forward to eating it, say i look forward to eating it, but certainly. and but we but i certainly. and but do we have a problem do you think have a problem then do you think actually is putting actually migration is putting the country at risk? >> i don't i think migration >> no, i don't i think migration in some, in some sectors it is, but in some sectors like the nhs is actually helping it . is actually helping it. >> well, i mean not if you have someone that doesn't know what. >> but hang on, this is a genuine question. why can't we get british nurses? >> well, we're simply i think that the incentives aren't there. right. you're telling nurses. the debt as well. >> hang on, hang on, hang on. darren weren't you haven't we

had debates on this about had debates on this show about the on strike and the nurses going on strike and you oh, they're greedy you saying, oh, they're greedy for 35% pay increase, for wanting a 35% pay increase, yet you're here saying the incentives docked. incentives are docked. well, whatever increase , the whatever pay increase, the nurses have been on strike, and you have the argument you will have made the argument that shouldn't be striking. that they shouldn't be striking. and you're here saying the and yet you're here saying the incentives aren't enough. incentives aren't good enough. >> think have an >> no, i think they have an argument ask for more money, argument to ask for more money, but i think actual the but i think the actual the process striking and putting process of striking and putting people's is the people's lives at risk is the wrong about it. wrong way to go about it. >> how should they go about it? >> i don't know, off the top of my head, but striking at the busiest time of the year, particularly over christmas, is not way to go about it. not the way to go about it. leaving a&e short and leaving leaving a&e is short and leaving closed some areas the closed in some areas of the country. isn't way to go country. isn't the way to go around a pay rise out of it, because actually nurses and doctors junior doctors, because actually nurses and doctcfirst junior doctors, because actually nurses and doctcfirst oath1ior doctors, because actually nurses and doctcfirst oath is r doctors, because actually nurses and doctcfirst oath is r doctc harm. their first oath is do no harm. and demanding more and by striking demanding more money harm. it's money is doing harm. it's killing people. >> can imagine some of >> but i can imagine some of these unqualified migrant nurses were the ones that were still working nurses, working while british nurses, junior striking. junior doctors, were striking. >> right? okey doke. know >> right? okey doke. let us know what you think. vaiews@gbnews.com. what you think. vaieis;@gbnews.com. what you think. vaieis goingews.com. what you think. vaieis going to ;.com. what you think. vaieis going to ;.co arguing why

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gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. next. and. well, who's going next? i wonder who could it be? i think it's more. >> well, you can imagine. i stopped dead in my tracks this week when i heard that the tories largest donor, frank hester , had made some comments hester, had made some comments about diane abbott, saying that apparently she must have filled him with so much disgust and hate that he said that it made him want to hate all black women, not one, but all of us. and also, he said that she should be shocked. what's even more shocking to me is that rishi sunak , he comes out and he

rishi sunak, he comes out and he says that mr hess's comments were racist and they were wrong. but mr rishi sunak refuses to hand back the £10 million worth of dodgy acas that mrs. frank frank hester has invested in the party. to me, that is an endorsement of hate. this comes after rishi sunak said that he wants to fight extremism. extremism in this country and hateful speech. also, it says to me in election year that rishi doesn't care about the black vote and also he doesn't care. black black women or black girls who rightfully feel fearful after frank hester's comments has been made public. so to me, i think the conservatives should do the right thing and hand back that dodgy cash. >> stephanie, do you think that labour should hand back vince, dale. vince. donations when he went on lbc and said one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, referring to hamas i do, i do, i do because i think that you accepting money as a party means you're

endorsing this donor. >> and now that what's come out is this man says that he hates black women, basically. and for the government, for rishi sunak to say, okay, what he said is wrong and he said it's racist, but we're still going to use him as a donor. it just doesn't sit right. >> i agree with you. the tories probably should return that money. it's going to put a big hole in their coffers. but also labour at the same time should do the same with dale vince. >> look, i've >> well, i mean look, i've spoken about this topic a lot this week position is and this week and my position is and was that it's a racist comment. frank should be condemned frank hester should be condemned or you apologise or i find you apologise for being you haven't being rude, but you haven't actually accepted that you actually accepted that, that you might been racist as well. might have been racist as well. but on specific about but on the specific point about whether should whether or not the money should be stephanie, i do be given back. stephanie, i do actually with you. actually disagree with you. yeah, is that the yeah, my position is that the money be on people money should be spent on people and causes who can improve the tory narrative on race relations, and that's not going to well look, it's not to happen. well look, it's not going to happen. that's my position. i think it's regrettable. regrettable that

the government and the prime minister hasn't taken that position. money should position. but the money should be people and causes position. but the money should be are people and causes position. but the money should be are peto le and causes position. but the money should be are peto stop|d causes position. but the money should be are peto stop this uses position. but the money should be are peto stop this kind who are going to stop this kind of nonsense from happening of nonsense from ever happening again, so many again, because there are so many people in the party who can help with sort of thing, but with this sort of thing, but they are not given the resources they are not given the resources they in order to fight this problem. >> you think problem. >> but don't you think a lot of black people are just going black people now are just going to turned rishi. yes to be turned off? rishi. yes i do, especially as him being an ethnic minority he's saying, ethnic minority and he's saying, okay, be. we okay, we should be. we understand that mr frank hester has said sorry and it to bed. >> look, i think the response to the comments and the news story in the guardian that broke earlier on this week from the tory party was not good enough. you know, it should not have been me going out on the airwaves in the morning saying that it was racist. it should have been minister. it have been the minister. it should been should not have been kwasi kwarteng. on politics. >> later say was racist. >> later, a spokesperson for the prime minister came out after i had said something after samuel kasumu had said something, kwasi kwarteng then kwarteng said something. then kemi it kemi badenoch said something. it was he was pushed was almost like he was pushed into when actually he

into saying it when actually he should it straight should have said it straight away. not for black away. it's not for black conservatives to call out racism. all racism. it is for all conservatives to call racism i >> should diane abbott be brought back into the labour party? >> i think we're seeing a bit more a groundswell for diana, more of a groundswell for diana, but to be to the whip but to be to have the whip restored actually , i think it restored actually, i think it was angela rayner who indicated she'd quite like that. >> you know, i am going to read this out because diane abbott, this out because diane abbott, this week been given this entire week has been given it whole woe is me. but i it the whole woe is me. but i must say, in my opinion, diane abbott is one of the most divisive politicians. she is that has ever existed. i'm going to on. i'll list them out. to hang on. i'll list them out. claimed that white people love playing divide and rule. that's a an a divisive generalisation. an implied praising west indian inferior. praising west indian mothers dedication criticise finnish nurses in her local hospital for their ethnicity, suggesting they couldn't empathise with black patients labelled drivers as labelled london cab drivers as racist, saying that they don't stop for black people. minimised anti—semitism , of course, by anti—semitism, of course, by suggesting that jewish people don't racism . is that don't experience racism. is that who you want? as a labour mp?

>> i think so many of those comments are night and day compared to what frank hester said. there is no are you joking? >> no saying saying jews don't experience racism. >> that's absolutely wrong. but so many of the other comments go go through one by one. >> i want to hear these people love playing divide and rule. implied white mothers are inferior, saying that west indian mothers actually are dedicated racist or dedicated to their racist or not wrong and racists. some wrong and some are racists. some criticise nurses in criticise finnish nurses in a local hospital for their ethnicity, suggesting they couldn't empathise black couldn't empathise with black people so funny people finding this so funny that ben and darren, the that bigoted ben and darren, the hateful person sometimes are reading through some racist comments that diane abbott has made. >> when you don't come on this show and defend people like donald trump and lee anderson every week, i mean, the hypocrisy. >> what's donald trump done? >> what's donald trump done? >> hypocrisy it? >> the hypocrisy of it? >> the hypocrisy of it? >> i come on, what you >> i mean, come on, what are you saying? trump's racist. >> saying has said >> i'm saying trump has said some things. some deplorable things. >> example has. >> example he has. >> example he has. >> well, as the policy >> well, such as the policy wise, let's policy, for example,

the ban and who had the the muslim ban and who had the first was banning people from going country . going to the country. >> it included banning nadhim zahawi in the muslim ban. first, you tell me, ben, leo, barack obama. oh come on. well then it was wrong. it was wrong for him to as well. to do it as well. >> darren, do you feel sorry for diane you said she's diane because you said she's come with a woe is me approach? >> i don't feel sorry for >> no, i don't feel sorry for her at all. >> do you she deserved those? >> no, i don't think she deserved it. think actually deserved it. i think actually what said was pretty awful, what he said was pretty awful, but don't do you think but i don't feel. do you think it was racist, i nana akua doesn't. >> do you think it was a racist? >> do you think it was a racist? >> i, i think the collectivist approach to actually that approach to actually argue that all therefore hate all all you hate, therefore hate all black because of what the black people because of what the comments have. one black person is racist , comments have. one black person is racist, but comments have. one black person is racist , but actually it's is racist, but actually it's exactly the same as saying white people. i think we could do that with any mp. >> we can all sit down, name an mp and we can go through their past and pick up loads of controversial comments. they've said, i'm not saying what diana said, i'm not saying what diana said right, but we can do

said is right, but we can do that with so many these time that with so many of these time and again. >> it's always it's always >> and it's always it's always goes back to think she has goes back to i think she has a loathing of white people and i think anti—semitism. can think she has anti—semitism. can you that diane you not just say that that diane should receive the labour should not receive the labour whip because those whip back because of those comments? whip back because of those commeralso it was wrong for >> and also it was wrong for this racist comment be said this racist comment to be said about is it not possible about her. is it not possible just say that all the while just to say that all the while you're targeting me? >> that's exactly what i'm not. >> that's exactly what i'm not. >> i i throwing that >> i just i was throwing that out ben. out to the bigoted ben. >> well, not funny. >> well, it's not funny. >> well, it's not funny. >> know, i'm going to be the >> you know, i'm going to be the biggest of the panel, biggest bigot of the panel, because i was the because if i was the conservative party, i wouldn't give back the money. i'd say, thank much. if thank you very much. if len mccluskey an election year, mccluskey gave an election year, in year where you in an election year where you have appeal everybody and have to appeal to everybody and everything is being everything you're doing is being scrutinised, not give everything you're doing is being scrutmoney not give everything you're doing is being scrutmoney back. not give everything you're doing is being scrutmoney back. absolutely. le everything you're doing is being scrutmoney back. absolutely. if that money back. absolutely. if len mccluskey me £10 len mccluskey gave me £10 million, thank you very million, i'd say thank you very much, i wouldn't much, but i wouldn't be a socialist. rishi sunak can receive £10 million. it doesn't mean to be the mean he's going to be the downfall of rishi. well, it is, i think. >> well, it's already . i think. >> well, it's already. he's up. yeah. >> poo creek without a paddle anyway, so i don't think, is the

thinking is the thinking that not only are they going to lose 10 million returning this 10 million by returning this donation, obviously this guy 10 million by returning this dcaation, obviously this guy 10 million by returning this dca fat n, obviously this guy 10 million by returning this dca fat cat. obviously this guy 10 million by returning this dca fat cat. he'sfiously this guy 10 million by returning this dca fat cat. he's got;ly this guy 10 million by returning this dca fat cat. he's got deep s guy is a fat cat. he's got deep pockets. let's say 15 million, actually. right. >> how much could he >> so how much could he potentially the future potentially give in the future as it couldn't just be as well? so it couldn't just be 10 15 now. it could be 20 in 10 or 15 now. it could be 20 in a couple of months. it could be 30 in a year. >> well the papers have >> well the papers will have a field every time he makes connection. >> they're addicted. the conservative party is addicted to dirty money and dodgy deals. >> for >> it's been happening for years, as? years, such as? >> nothing new. do you >> nothing new. well, do you know how much russian money know just how much russian money has in the copper? >> once took a donation from max mosley, should you >> once took a donation from max moslthat should you >> once took a donation from max moslthat money? should you give that money? >> political party will make >> any political party will make mistakes like. >> well, there we then. >> oh, well, there we go then. >> oh, well, there we go then. >> it's right when it's laboun >> well, it's a bit. it's a question of scale and really it's off the charts. >> do we need publicly funded political parties? is that the solution? >> well, that's a model that works other countries. works in other countries. so why not it? not look into it? >> should it on the labour manifesto? >> perhaps if i had my say, i don't want my taxes going to the labour party. well, we know

that. >> right. okay. so coming up next, we're going to be discussing why labour were discussing why labour were discussing ferret names when they should have been discussing given, actual nhs given, well, the actual nhs given, well, the actual nhs given blockers to given puberty blockers to children. you're with the saturday five live on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. as always. cheers. very much for your company and your emails . your opinions. much more emails. your opinions. much more important than ours. lorraine has written in. it's not lorraine kelly, is it , has written in. it's not lorraine kelly, is it, dear? gb news. oh it's definitely not lorraine kelly. i am a student nurse, not only getting a loan to be a nurse, which is a disgrace. my colleague on her placement for six weeks, hospital working in a hospital, free, not getting paid, having to pay £10 a day to park six

weeks. it is so wrong. >> she's working for free for six weeks and having to pay a tenner a day to park. yeah, why would you? what a disgrace! >> would you bother? what >> why would you bother? what incentive sandra's incentive is that? sandra's written in and sandra says, i did five years training in the nhs, including midwife and i did not go to university. bring back the old school of nursing training . i mean, why police training. i mean, why police officers as well? they have degrees these days. it's just insane, thomas says. i reported one to a birmingham university some years ago. i assume he means a nurse, but they were too, their qualifications were brought online. who needs a degree for nurses ? no one. care degree for nurses? no one. care and compassion and basic knowledge is a requirement, not a degree, when you're taking blood tests all day. well, i think nurses would argue they do a bit more than that now. thank you much, thomas. one you very much, thomas. one quick, quick one. you're quick, very quick one. you're talking about recruitment of nurses. is a care nurses. my daughter is a care worker, works 12 hour shifts, would love to nursing. well would love to do nursing. well basically arguing that they're hiring in all of these care

homes. it's cheap migrant laboun homes. it's cheap migrant labour. and that's michelle. my daughter would love to train on the job to save university fees, as she has saved them for her own home. i would love your advice for my daughter. well i mean, i would love to give you daughter advice, but i think actually until politicians get serious on building housing and reducing mass migration, that ain't anywhere time ain't going anywhere any time soon, though , soon, sadly. but now though, it's soon, sadly. but now though, wsfime soon, sadly. but now though, it's time for our next debate. i believe if we've got a debut. >> brilliant. thank you very much. i'm reintroducing my topic because i think i flubbed the introduction right at the start, but you'll be glad to know that if you thought you'd seen the end of liz truss, if you thought she was going away, then you're in for a surprise. yes it's the political heavyweight continues on her book tour, and this time she was back in parliament introducing a bill on trans reform. now it's caused quite a bit of an uproar. in particular,

the provisions around stopping puberty blockers being administered to children. now, this angers me to no end. this use of transgender children, some of the most vulnerable people in society as a political football by opportunists like liz truss. i'd rather they all went away and let trans people move on with their lives. but i know that's going to be controversial today. >> so can children consent to puberty blockers? >> well, of course they can. if the parents are, can a six year old consent to being tattooed? if a child who knows themselves best, who is trans, what a period. if a parent agrees consents, and if doctors have weighed in and allowed for puberty blockers to be administered, then they should. >> there is no such thing as a trans child. in the same way, there's no such thing as a vegan cat. we know what he's cat. we all know what he's doing. the controlling there. >> also why why >> now look also why why children why children consent to tattoos? why does keep getting all

does this issue keep getting all this airtime when we are talking about maximum 100 children in this country are currently on puberty. >> 3000 children who are on the list waiting to get puberty blockers, and the fact that they're on that waiting list is a positive sign, even though i think waiting lists should be much shorter. >> so let me let me get some consideration. >> let me let me get something straight with you for medical advice. right >> let me get something straight with you. are you saying that when year old says a five when a five year old says a five year i think i'm year old boy says, i think i'm a girl, you should believe them. yes right. >> they can begin to socially transition in a way that's acceptable. medical acceptable. okay. medical transition when transition is different when there in place. there are safeguards in place. it's been done. >> stop talking, stop talking. when year old, when my when my four year old, when my four old says, daddy, i'm four year old says, daddy, i'm batman , should believe him? batman, should i believe him? >> is a completely. >> no, that is a completely. what's the difference, batman is not what's the difference? not a what's the difference? >> are you saying four >> because are you saying four and five year old knows what the concept of gender is? >> think they i think >> i think when they i think from very early on, children

know if they're not comfortable in their body, if they don't in their own body, if they don't feel like fits to how they feel like it fits to how they are to their gender presentation. >> i have to just come in here because actually , i'd probably because actually, i'd probably say i was and say until i was 18 and comfortable being a gay man, i if someone i know i'm gay guys, by the way, in case you didn't know, but until i came to that realisation, if someone told me i could snap my fingers and become a girl, i literally would have done it. the trans movement. >> and i think, i think the idea that a five years old, a child who thinks they might be a girl, their parents have got to believe them. >> if my mum had done that, i'd be a detransitioning. i just think this is a nonsense opinion which more and which is happening more and more. is happening more more. well, it is happening more and and this this is the and more and this is this is the issue.i and more and this is this is the issue. i agree. i want us to have a more rational, evidence based discussion about this. but the we look at the truth is, when we look at the truth is, when we look at the about puberty the evidence about puberty blockers, when people blockers, actually when people do to transition , even if do go on to transition, even if they've been on puberty blockers, it can cause huge

problems . if blockers, it can cause huge problems. if we think about the operation people have to operation that people have to get to turn, what is a male sexual organ into a female sexual organ into a female sexual organ? if the male sexual organ is not fully developed, it's very difficult to turn that into a female sexual organ. and that happens if you've been on puberty blockers. >> there is research on this, but i would be able to find studies to say exactly to the contrary. i did find some in my preparation. do you do you know it's contested ? let me let me it's contested? let me let me finish. this is contested. none of us are medically trained. and what angers me is political commentators and politicians who should know better. giving so much airtime to this tiny kids. you're telling why? >> who's got kids? i think this is a scandal bigger than the post office scandal. i really, really do. because you are medicalizing children on drugs that you know absolutely nothing about. >> by the way, it is grotesque. >> by the way, it is grotesque. >> but leave that up to the doctors and the experts in this field. and they have been practising.

>> stephanie, do you think >> stephanie, what do you think about this? >> path came out, they >> from w path came out, they were leaked said that were leaked and they said that one girl may have had one young girl may have had liver down the puberty liver cancer down to the puberty blockers do you know blockers hormone. do you know what they give? what drug they give? >> do you know what drug they give young children? do know give young children? do you know the of you don't know the name of it? you don't know it. it's called lupron. they give paedophile sex give it to paedophile sex offenders in america to chemically castrate they chemically castrate them. they give prostate cancer give it to prostate cancer patients, it castrates them. patients, and it castrates them. even they later on to even if they decide later on to stop the transition stop with the transition process. the process. most of the time they're infertile. so they're deemed infertile. so it's absolute that it's an absolute disgrace that people think children, people like you think children, you're telling children, innocent kids 4 or 5, six year olds, they're born in the wrong body actually the trans body and actually the trans movement is deeply homophobic because, explained, movement is deeply homophobic becaustelling explained, movement is deeply homophobic becaustelling gay explained, movement is deeply homophobic becaustelling gay kidslained, movement is deeply homophobic becaustelling gay kids thated, you're telling gay kids that they're born in the wrong body and they should be chopping off their body parts. it's an absolute disgrace. and there's a reason the banned it from reason the nhs banned it from hospitals england. reason the nhs banned it from hointals england. reason the nhs banned it from hosi understand england. reason the nhs banned it from hosi understand what nd. reason the nhs banned it from hosi understand what you're >> i understand what you're saying we talk saying because when we talk about any issues about trans and any issues around that, seems like around that, there seems like the motive behind it seems there's a lot of hate, a lot of animosity. but the thing is, it

is a cause for concern like this is a cause for concern like this is a cause for concern like this is a life long decision. i think people just see it as, oh, you change your gender. or if a child wants to change their genden child wants to change their gender, what happens when there's ramifications towards their health, their mental health? i think there's not this long term solution from them which not looking at. which people are not looking at. and where the scare, the and that's where the scare, the frighten ness of it comes into it. >> i think so much of what we've heard today, what we hear in political debates, is just not backed by evidence . so many of backed by evidence. so many of the claims, why is the nhs bannedit the claims, why is the nhs banned it then? so many of the claims i've heard you can find opposing opinion why? >> why the nhs banned it, >> why is the nhs banned it, it's still allowed in exceptional cases. >> in clinical trials it's allowed that they socially transition first and then on clinical trials. >> so we're essentially saying that young children in the name of ideology are glorified lab rats. >> puberty blockers are fully , >> puberty blockers are fully, well, almost completely physically reversible . no physically reversible. no they're not. >> no, they are not. that is a lie. it's an absolute lie, not a

lie. it's an absolute lie, not a lie. it's a lie, a lie. it's not. it leaves. >> no, it leaves it leaves most children infertile. >> and there are different studies to say exactly the contrary of what saying. contrary of what you're saying. >> sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm sorry. >> mermaids are some activist charity, but. oh, pinknews, did you pinknews? you find that on pinknews? >> involved with >> having been involved with pinknews next? pinknews up next? >> well, we're going to be >> it's, well, we're going to be talking who is going next? actually, there's only one person. well, that one person is me, but we're going for a quick break. we are. but you're going to be talking about why you want the royals to come clean about the royals to come clean about the princess of wales and explain why with the explain why you're with the saturday on

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. you'll be pleased to learn that nobody was harmed during the break. now, as always, thank you very much for your emails about tonight's topics . about tonight's topics. elizabeth's written in elizabeth. good evening. she says miss abbott should be

allowed back into the party. it would be great to see mr starmer, sir. starmer to you, elizabeth . trying to manage his elizabeth. trying to manage his election chances with her back in the fold. i wouldn't rate them. i can see kai with a nervous look. barbara's written in. abbott is a pretty nasty person, but it's her character, not her colour, should be not her colour, that should be judged. agreed. we judged. absolutely agreed. we all that. and dawn says all agree on that. and dawn says puberty are puberty blockers are disgustingly immoral disgustingly abusive and immoral for endure . for any child to endure. correct. now it's time for our next debate. i think there's only one man left for the job. >> that's right darren, it is the question which is storming the question which is storming the nation. where is kate ? we've the nation. where is kate? we've all seen the weird picture. we've all heard the conspiracy theories. and after this, this week's absolute shambles, we're now scratching our heads as to whether or not the conspiracy theories are actually true . i theories are actually true. i mean, what were kensington palace thinking by releasing

this picture that had been edhed this picture that had been edited by the princess of wales with all of these mistakes on it? look at them in that picture. the weird hand, the weird hair, just things that don't look quite right, giving credence to these conspiracy theories. so i think it is time that the palace came clean about what has been going on with catherine, princess of wales, because otherwise the speculation is just going to keep going on and on and on. and besides, if they had nothing to hide, why wouldn't they just release the original picture in the first? >> are we? the palace said that they would give an update after easter. that's it. and that's it? yeah. why, why why are you so obsessed with a woman's health? >> are bullying and that's it. and it's all about medical privacy. if you're going through a which you're a health condition which you're not about, why not ready to talk about, why should just be forced just should you just be forced just because a princess the because you're a princess in the future? country future? queen of the country forced to come out and explain what's going on with you? to be honest, just think it's people

honest, i just think it's people being nosy. could be being nosy. catherine could be going something going through something really serious. she serious. and the problem is she comes she this is comes out. she says, this is what going through. she's what i'm going through. she's going have to the poster going to have to be the poster girl for that forever . like the king. >> she's gonna have cancer, right? he has, hasn't he? >> he's chosen to talk about that because he's and his prostate before that, which was really important because a lot of there wasn't uptick of men, there wasn't an uptick in actually going forward in people actually going forward getting in people actually going forward get but leo, the country is >> but ben leo, the country is going mad. i it's not going mad. i mean, it's not something that many people were calling begin with, but calling for to begin with, but because how the situation has because of how the situation has been handled. this picture, the conspiracy theories are going well. isn't it just time they came clean? >> you're talking to a man who has never uploaded a picture on instagram. >> oh, not sure how they may. they made a massive mistake with that picture. i don't actually believe that herself sat believe that kate herself sat there it. i think if you there editing it. i think if you believe that, you believe that, you don't know, but, the you know, i don't know, but, the fact actually, i've fact is that actually, i've heard they've got a new heard that they've got a new comms team in place over the past couple of months, and actually, having a bit

actually, they're having a bit of a hard time with things, but the still as the situation still stands as is. is the palace said is. kate is ill. the palace said they'll an update after they'll give an update after easter, we're not even at easter, and we're not even at easter, and we're not even at easter yet. let the public go easter yet. so let the public go wild about it. i understand that kate whoever edited the kate or whoever edited the picture hasn't done the conspiracy any conspiracy theorists any favours, after all, it's favours, but after all, it's just twitter. it's online, it's instagram, you instagram, it's online. you know, kai, this is damaging the monarchy, isn't it? >> , i mean, come off it. >> well, i mean, come off it. >> well, i mean, come off it. >> i think that, you know what we've seen is a royal family that's not ready for the social media age that hasn't recognised that have changed. but that things have changed. but they also can't have it both ways. can't have privacy in ways. they can't have privacy in some and know and some circumstance and know and then , you know, public then release, you know, public pictures in the other. >> i mean, the reason why they were forced to put that picture is because of all these conspiracy theorists saying that kate's, hiding kate's, you know, hiding somewhere but it's somewhere or whatever, but it's like they can't any like because they can't have any quiet to recoup , kate. quiet for her to recoup, kate. that's why they have to do these kind of things. >> but as i'll be saying, they're meeting us halfway. >> the public an inch,

>> you give the public an inch, then they're going to want to take a mile. they've given us nothing. >> gave edited >> they gave us an edited picture, it's caused even picture, and it's caused even more theories . more conspiracy theories. >> did they need to >> photo of did they need to tell us that had gone in >> photo of did they need to tel|planned had gone in >> photo of did they need to tel|planned abdominalone in >> photo of did they need to tel|planned abdominal surgery? for planned abdominal surgery? did we have been did they? we wouldn't have been none the wiser about it. >> this is a woman who, >> this is this is a woman who, three hours after giving birth, was parading their child to the well—wishers. >> the royals. do they do. >> the royals. do they do. >> that's what the royals do. >> that's what the royals do. >> i don't think again. do you think? do you think she wants to do that? >> do you think she wants to come out on the steps of the lido wing parading her newborn baby? >> but they did it. and then. and then meghan markle comes under criticism for not being willing to share so much. >> yeah, this is interesting. share much. share so much. >> that never known >> that woman has never known a part that part of her life that she doesn't. >> p- p— >> well, thank you for bringing up be surprised >> well, thank you for bringing ugshe be surprised >> well, thank you for bringing ugshe starts be surprised >> well, thank you for bringing ugshe starts in be surprised >> well, thank you for bringing ugshe starts in on be surprised >> well, thank you for bringing ugshe starts in on fans surprised >> well, thank you for bringing ugshe starts in on fans next.ised if she starts in on fans next. oh darren, what awful thing to say. >> i mean i'm sure anyway i'm not going go there, but the not going to go there, but the point is right. >> don't don't don't you think it very different if it would be very different if the sussex had made a the duchess of sussex had made a similar the duchess of sussex had made a similthink you be a

>> i think you will be having a singing a different tune. you'd be you know, be condemning her. you know, we've had all of these columns in mail the in the daily mail and the telegraph today about, telegraph today talking about, you should be you know, we should be supporting meghan wouldn't supporting kate. meghan wouldn't get would she? supporting kate. meghan wouldn't get darren? would she? >> darren? >> darren? >> where's where's the >> where's the where's the support and meghan support from harry and meghan been? going to the been? they denied going to the new york post saying that oh meghan have made meghan would never have made such kate. meghan would never have made suci kate. meghan would never have made suci don't kate. meghan would never have made suci don't think kate. meghan would never have made suci don't think she kate. meghan would never have made suci don't think she would ate. meghan would never have made suci don't think she would have done. >> of course it came them >> of course it came from them and then at the same and then also also at the same time kate being ill, when time as kate being ill, when harry and william at their harry and william were at their event, event to harry and william were at their eventmum. event to harry and william were at their eventmum. was event to harry and william were at their eventmum. was it event to harry and william were at their eventmum. was it yesterday or their mum. was it yesterday or their mum. was it yesterday or the before? decides the day before? meghan decides it's a great idea on it's going to be a great idea on the very same day she's done the very same day as she's done before her new online lifestyle? >> if meghan markle had done this, do you the that >> if meghan markle had done this,wouldu the that >> if meghan markle had done this,wouldu treated that >> if meghan markle had done this,wouldu treated the different? >> i'd be the same? absolutely. >> i'd be the same? absolutely. >> no no, meghan, come on to >> no. no no, meghan, come on to shreds , kate. shreds, kate. >> spin, kate. sources >> spin. spin, kate. sources close kensington palace and close to kensington palace and kate have said that she's been very sad and distraught and upset about the bullying the upset about the bullying and the commentary since commentary that's happened since the editing saga. the photo editing saga. >> well, this is what meghan goes through the time . she goes through all the time. she gets bullied every day online goes through all the time. she getsthenied every day online goes through all the time. she getsthen some.ery day online and then some. >> at the urging, even if

>> and at the urging, even if meghan green press teams that are complaining that kate are now complaining that kate middleton coming that middleton is coming under that much the much scrutiny, they were the ones briefing. >> these, i'd argue, i'd >> in all these, i'd argue, i'd argue kate's made one mistake over decades and meghan markle came here. things didn't work out. she stomped her feet. she lied and lied and lied because she tried to paint the royals as racist. >> she always wanted to set up a lifestyle brand people lifestyle brand selling people expensive gunk or whatever it is that right? well good that she sagan. right? well good for her, but she always wanted to that she didn't want to do that and she didn't want to do that and she didn't want to galas and cut to do charity galas and cut cakes in this country. >> well, that's because the media was so horrible to her. darren. >> oh, i'll be the front page of the sun newspaper on the day she was married. >> said, we're going to have to history. there's plenty more to come on the second hour of the saturday five, including an interview stadlen. saturday five, including an intervi watching stadlen. saturday five, including an intervi watching the stadlen. saturday five, including an intervi watching the saturday en. you're watching the saturday five lakshmi parthasarathy. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news.

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victim of crime. his phone snatched it from his hand as he walked his dogs so has that changed his opinion on so—called lawless london? matthew stadlen joins me in stephanie takyi now. >> matthew, i'm so sorry to hear that this has happened. obviously like for most people who've been mugged on the streets of london, it's an awful experience. are you feeling a bit shaken up about it? a bit surprised even surprised that that even happened yesterday ? happened yesterday? >> well, thank you very much for your sympathy. that's rather nice because not everyone's been sympathetic on twitter as you might expect. i'm not shaken up at all in fact, the day after it happened, once i'd got a new phone and credit where it's due to vodafone, they got me off the ground very quickly indeed. i went back and did my own detective work, went door to doon detective work, went door to door, and i have got incredibly full cctv footage of literally the moment it happened from multiple angles right. so there you can see it. and what what

happened? this is the this is the chat. what happened was i was walking along. i was on the phone, on loudspeaker, on my right hand mum and she was right hand to my mum and she was giving me some information that i to into the phone i wanted to input into the phone . so stood still on the edge . so i stood still on the edge of pavement. you could of the pavement. as you could see, i the dogs leads in my see, i had the dogs leads in my left hand and was typing away left hand and i was typing away in right hand while in my right hand while also speaking. was multitasking . speaking. so i was multitasking. that looks like static image. that looks like a static image. it this guy came from at it wasn't this guy came from at high speed from behind and before i knew it, my phone was gone. my instinct and i'm hoping to load some video footage up of this as well. my instinct was to charge after the bloke, so i rushed after him, but i could see from the cctv that he moved ten metres in a single second. i'm not recommending that people charge after their muggers, but that's in all reality, what i did, obviously it's a distressing thing to happen. yeah, but my concern is partly to let gb news viewers know that this sort of thing actually does

happen quite a bit. two of my closest friends , this has closest friends, this has happened to one of them twice, all three occasions in london. so be vigilant and don't so please be vigilant and don't be daft like i was because i was standing there. i was a sort of sitting duck. that doesn't mean that i'm not angry with the guy who stole my phone. of course i am. and the police to am. and i want the police to catch him, and i want them to do theirjob, ideally, rather catch him, and i want them to do their job, ideally, rather than me their detective me doing their detective work for and definitely you know, >> and definitely you know, people do to be vigilant people do need to be vigilant when things you know, people do need to be vigilant when you're things you know, people do need to be vigilant when you're outgs you know, people do need to be vigilant when you're out and you know, people do need to be vigilant when you're out and about know, when you're out and about with your phone . but what's your mobile phone. but what's quite interesting is you were saying that lot of critics are saying that a lot of critics are saying that a lot of critics are saying this is a reflection of how london has failed when it comes to being a multicultural city, which i personally don't think that's the case. i just think that's the case. i just think crime is on a rampant anywhere you go in the world. why do you think critics are so fast put the two together? fast to put the two together? >> well, actually , perhaps even >> well, actually, perhaps even more eventful than the theft of my phone was the fact that since i put that image up and since i

announced that i'd had my phone stolen, the pile ons that i've experienced on twitter, i know darren's experienced 1 or 2 of his own have been quite extraordinary. i mean, this has happened to me a few times that people have launched attacks at me, the and me, both in the uk and sometimes, as happened in sometimes, as has happened in this case, from the other side of the atlantic. and look , i've of the atlantic. and look, i've got a thick skin. i put myself out there, but people dug up a tweet, a post that i put up about three years ago, as darren has already shown, saying , i've has already shown, saying, i've never been mugged and never will be and i'm a confident guy right ? i'm six foot three, i'm 16 stone. i'm trained in various ways of handling myself. i don't walk around my home city scared or intimidated and that will never change. in this case. there is a there is a sort of grey area. was i mugged? given that no force was used on my body and no threat of force, or was i the victim of theft? whichever it is, it was a bad crime. >> well , crime. >> well, indeed, crime. >> well , indeed, matthew crime. >> well, indeed, matthew and i don't. >> i wouldn't wish it on anyone,

but i would say, though, that even elon musk. right. even elon musk has gotten involved. and he replied a what was a putting replied to a what was a putting together of the two tweets that you'd put out. and he replied , you'd put out. and he replied, and you said, elon musk thinks my phone getting nicked is amusing . classy guy. but elon amusing. classy guy. but elon musk, though, actually , i musk, though, is actually, i assume, were he here to defend himself, would argue that he's pointing out the liberal hypocrisy. matthew, which he's saying, look, you said in 2021, you know , you feel safe in you know, you feel safe in london, you're not going to be mugged in london, as you've said , you're a tall guy. you're able to yourself. but even you to defend yourself. but even you have been caught off your guard and mugged. that therefore and mugged. does that therefore suggest that under sadiq khan, london ain't safe? and have you changed your mind ? changed your mind? >> no. first of all, i love my home city. born and bred in london. it's a fantastic place . london. it's a fantastic place. it is so rich in entertainment, in sport. i was at twickenham last weekend in knife crime .

last weekend in knife crime. >> i'm a whole host of things. >> i'm a whole host of things. >> it's very rich . >> it's very rich. >> it's very rich. >> let me come back to the knife crime thing. i mean, i've been in this game for a long time. i'm 44 now in this journal, this journalistic profession , and i journalistic profession, and i remember in 2005 there was a horrible spike, it seemed, in knife crime. this knife crime isn't new. and let me say this, it is an evil that we need it is a is an evil that we need to do everything we can, both through good policing and proper community initiatives to root out of our capital city as we do anywhere else. we absolutely have to do that. i am tough on crime . if there is have to do that. i am tough on crime. if there is a have to do that. i am tough on crime . if there is a crime, it crime. if there is a crime, it needs to be properly investigated and the perpetrators need to be dealt with. but let me address this multicultural issue, if i may, darren, because one of the things that i experienced early on in of these pylons in the on in one of these pylons in the last couple of was this last couple of days was this idea that somehow the idea that i was somehow the victim multiculturalism, victim of multiculturalism, which apparently i had championed. okay. and let me put that lie to bed. the people who are saying that had no idea what colour of skin or what culture

the thief was from , and i've the thief was from, and i've been sending a lot of people to specsavers since i put that. >> all right, matthew, i'm just going to bring in ben lille because he wants to come back on that very point. >> good evening matthew. it's your ben. look, your old friend ben. look, you're people piled you're saying that people piled onto this onto you with this multiculturalism you were multiculturalism thing. you were the one who first brought up skin you tweeted, skin colour. you tweeted, ironically, the racists, the ironically, for the racists, the thief as he's thief looks as though he's white. actually, he's white. actually, matthew, he's not white. look at his left hand. he's quite clearly black. so you're the one that started this? not not the so—called pile honours. >> you've made two mistakes there, which which is there, ben. which is which is quite an effort in the space of 20s.the quite an effort in the space of 20s. the first is i did not start this. the people who came on and before any picture i had put up any evidence. they came on and said i was the victim of multicultural london. they had noidea multicultural london. they had no idea who the thief was. so that's the first point. they started it, the racists. and let me clear up this second point. >> are they just looking at the stats statistically? >> on,

stats statistically? >> hang on, hang on, hang on. we must no assumptions about must make no assumptions about who who who commits a crime and who who who commits a crime and who doesn't . we take each crime who doesn't. we take each crime on its merits, right? on the facts . and if you look closely facts. and if you look closely at that picture, you're wrong. look at his left hand. no, no, no, both are gloved . he's no, both hands are gloved. he's wearing black gloves on both hands. and if you look at the gap ' hands. and if you look at the gap , ben, between the peaked gap, ben, between the peaked helmet which goes helmet and the mask, which goes right up to his eyes, to my eye he looks like he's white. so on every level, okay, well, as far as far as i can see and a lot of other people online, if you look at his left hand, he's wearing a glove in his white hand, which is covered. >> his left hand isn't gloved because uses it to snatch the because he uses it to snatch the phone get a better grip. phone with to get a better grip. can remember what hand he can you remember what hand he snatched phone with? snatched your phone with? >> hands were glove, >> both both hands were glove, i can tell you that. but if you want to go to specsavers and join all the other trolls, then you do. >> my guess. >> my guess. >> mean, do you think there's >> i mean, do you think there's a be anyone that a point to be made? anyone that actually, people like actually, you know, people like matthew defend sadiq matthew who do defend sadiq khan, who do defend london, who

do multiculturalism , that do defend multiculturalism, that actually a point actually people have a point to point out. >> don't have a point. >> no, they don't have a point. >> no, they don't have a point. >> what's this got do with >> what's this got to do with multiculturalism? i've got to >> what's this got to do with muli'mlturalism? i've got to >> what's this got to do with muli'mlturalmatt i've got to >> what's this got to do with muli'mlturalmatt one got to >> what's this got to do with muli'mlturalmatt on this. to say i'm with matt on this. actually, knife crime always actually, knife crime has always been was in the been around it was around in the victorian times. been victorian times. theft has been around . people had things around since. people had things that can steal. not that we can steal. it's not something that only black people do. yes, we do know there was an overrepresentation of black britons in the criminal justice system. never been one to system. i have never been one to shy away from that fact, but i don't understand what matt stadlen getting mugged in whichever a fancy part whichever road in a fancy part of london he mugged on is to of london he got mugged on is to do multicultural ism. it's do with multicultural ism. it's to do with criminality. >> do you remember , even just a >> do you remember, even just a few months ago, the met police put out that massive pr release about this phone that had about this phone gang that had been went been nabbed? they went undercover soho , pretended to undercover in soho, pretended to be boozed up punters, and this gang would swipe phones and rolexes. they were all black and they weren't english either. they might have british passports, they might have british passport and. and wherever else somalia and. and wherever else they weren't. know, they they weren't. you know, they weren't brits . weren't brits. >> and recall, i actually

>> and you recall, i actually spoke it in a monologue spoke about it in a monologue on this and i would like to this show. and i would like to hear matt has say about hear what matt has to say about this, because i actually found a number a number of things you number of a number of things you just quite offensive. just said, ben, quite offensive. >> find that very >> well, i find that very offensive. said that british offensive. you said that british people ben. people are not british, ben. i mean, what are you living mean, what planet are you living on? british. if they on? people are british. if they have passports . let me have british passports. let me move on from this sort of rather dark alleyway . we seem to be we dark alleyway. we seem to be we seem to be crawling down right now. i want to make i want to ask you guys a question about the police. okay? i'm a journalist. i'm not a detective. but was the one went door but i was the one who went door to and got this cctv to door and got this cctv footage. as i say, from multiple angles , you can look at the angles, you can look at the bike. in that close up, there's a distinctive red line, right? i would hope that we live in a society where journalists don't have and that sort of have to go and do that sort of work, the police do it work, but the police do it themselves. now, is this because themselves. now, is this because the police are underfunded 14 themselves. now, is this because the p

and before you say hang on, hang on, before you say it's low level crime, guys, mobile phone is worth about £1,000. plus it has loads of private information thatis has loads of private information that is like, hey, do you think that is like, hey, do you think that at all? >> should we not be taking it? >> should we not be taking it? >> should we not be taking it? >> should we not be taking this seriously? >> yes. yeah. matthew, you're kind of proving darren's initial point he's in point about sadiq khan. he's in charge police . on one charge of the police. on one hand, you're saying london's safe part and safe getting mugged is part and parcel living in a big city. parcel of living in a big city. and minute you're and the next minute you're complaining unsafe complaining that it's unsafe because you're getting mugged and there. so and the police aren't there. so which it? no, no, no, let which one is it? no, no, no, let me answer that. >> course get crime in >> of course you get crime in any big city. and of course, as i've all the way i've made clear all the way through this conversation, where there's to there's crime, it needs to be clamped not clamped down on, i'm not personally khan personally blaming sadiq khan the police is the funding of the police is down to this government, and i would like to know why the police themselves operationally don't seem to take this sort of crime. from my anecdotal experience seriously enough. because if i'd been a little old lady or a little old man , it lady or a little old man, it might have been traumatising. it wasn't for me. it could be for

other people . other people. >> so have you got your phone back yet? >> elfi- e latest he has? >> what's the latest he has? >> what's the latest he has? >> went to vodafone. >> he went to vodafone. >> he went to vodafone. >> he's just giving actually doing i've just doing this. i've just i've just come at the oxford come off stage at the oxford literary and got literary festival and i've got a new vodafone. new phone thanks to vodafone. the probably in the other one's probably in china. the other one's probably in chiibut they've not. >> but they've not. >> but they've not. >> they've not caught the >> but they've not caught the culprit. from the co ps? cops? >> well, the police, i have to say, have been pretty near useless so that doesn't useless in this. so that doesn't mean all the police are bad. and i'm anecdotally, i'm only talking anecdotally, but you. i'm only talking anecdotally, butwhat? you. i'm only talking anecdotally, butwhat? what you. i'm only talking anecdotally, butwhat? what are you. i'm only talking anecdotally, butwhat? what are you u. i'm only talking anecdotally, butwhat? what are you said >> what? what are you. you said you tweeted something about being proficient martial arts being proficient in martial arts . i want to know about that. why didn't you kung fu chop the man? >> well, darren, all i can say and i do mean mean this. >> seriously, i hope this doesn't happen to you, because i wouldn't wish crime on anybody. certainly not you, darren. but when coming at when you have someone coming at high on either electric high speed on either an electric bike or an electric motorbike, whichever it and there whichever it was, and there seems some debate and you seems to be some debate and you are not paying attention. by the way, have as i've way, i should have been, as i've said, right up said, and he comes right up behind doesn't have to said, and he comes right up behiany doesn't have to said, and he comes right up behiany force doesn't have to said, and he comes right up behiany force orioesn't have to said, and he comes right up behiany force or attempt ave to said, and he comes right up

behiany force or attempt to; to said, and he comes right up behiany force or attempt to use use any force or attempt to use any force, he's so any force, because he's so proficient it himself. and by proficient at it himself. and by the and honestly, i ever the time and honestly, if i ever get the video from the get to upload the video from the other angle, i will he. so far, even charge after him with the even i charge after him with the poor dogs. there's no poor dogs. he's gone. there's no way shouting, i was way i was shouting, i was charging he turned right, way i was shouting, i was chargdown he turned right, way i was shouting, i was charg down towards ned right, way i was shouting, i was chargdown towards hollandt, way i was shouting, i was chargdown towards holland park went down towards holland park avenue and he was gone. the martial arts mate don't come into the way , i into it. and by the way, i should say, i should say i have a have little i have a i have a little son and i have a i have a little son and i have a and mobile phone a wife, and my mobile phone would been worth me would not have been worth me trying get trying to sort of trying to get trying to sort of wrestle chap . wrestle with that chap. >> i agree. i mean, >> i agree, i agree. i mean, kai, haven't spoken. want kai, you haven't spoken. i want to bring you in briefly. we haven't very long left, haven't got very long left, but i to ask, think i want to ask, do you think actually going to get actually this is going to get better labour government better under a labour government because keeps going back because matthew keeps going back to point? do you to the funding point? or do you think a labour think that actually a labour government to add government that wants to add more on the police, like more burdens on the police, like making or making misogyny a crime or misgender doing a crime that actually the police are going to be far too busy to look for matthew's phone? oh, absolutely. >> definitely going >> i mean, it's definitely going to be improving given that pubuc to be improving given that public are recent public services are these recent governments, you know, public

services over services are fighting over scraps . i services are fighting over scraps. i mean, services are fighting over scraps . i mean, the services are fighting over scraps. i mean, the amount of money that we're talking about is ridiculous. that's been taken out of the health service and indeed out of the police. >> they have not defunded the nhs at all. >> see a campbell record levels, but do you see a campaign to underfund all sorts of public services across the country, and that theory territory that. >> oh, absolutely is. >> oh, absolutely is. >> you see it time and time again as part of the reason why the tories are now polling at 20. i mean, it's absurd. anybody can clear as day can see it. it's clear as day champing the bit there. champing at the bit there. >> final question, matthew. champing at the bit there. >> just final question, matthew. champing at the bit there. >> just going question, matthew. champing at the bit there. >> just going back on, matthew. champing at the bit there. >> just going back on yourthew. >> just going back to your points about britishness and points about the britishness and whether you whether a passport makes you british. i mean, that's the big talking point at moment with talking point at the moment with these palestine marches in my opinion. because someone's these palestine marches in my opira>n. because someone's these palestine marches in my opira british because someone's these palestine marches in my opira british because sitneone's got a british passport, it doesn't british. it doesn't mean they're british. it quite who quite clearly these gangs who have come from africa, they might first or second might be first or second generation but generation immigrants, but they're in they're not ingrained in in british . see, it's as british society. see, it's as i've said, it's a big problem with these palestine marches. just as a small example where the concern is you've got

the concern is that you've got people here, working people living here, working here, benefits here here, maybe taking benefits here who aren't, doing their bit to , who aren't, doing their bit to, be inclusive in the british way of life . of life. >> let me take you out of your echo chamber just briefly. right. i'll tell you something about british values. right. and i'm my core , british i'm british to my core, british values involve respecting human beings , taking them as we find beings, taking them as we find them, calling someone british. when they are british, and not trying to gaslight people into thinking other things. and by the way, it means that whatever colour skin , whatever cultural colour skin, whatever cultural influences people have, if they break the law, if they are islamophobic, anti semitic, whatever it is, if they break the law, then the full force of the law, then the full force of the law, then the full force of the law should come down on them. we treat each other as human beings, as we'd expect to be treated ourselves . i don't i be treated ourselves. i don't i could not give two hoots whether the colour of that skin of my of the colour of that skin of my of the of the guy who nicked my phone was yellow, purple or blue. >> it's a judge of their character, and i don't care what food he cooks at home either.

>> is that he nicked >> what i care is that he nicked my phone and i want him to get nicked a result. nicked as a result. >> right ? >> all right? >> all right? >> okay. i don't care either about colour. about skin colour. >> bigoted men. calm down. >> it's about character and culture. >> that's what saying. >> that's what i'm saying. >> that's what i'm saying. >> we're going to move >> move on. we're going to move on.thank >> move on. we're going to move on. thank much, on. thank you very much, matthew. okay. matthew. i'm glad you're okay. now, at home may now, some viewers at home may well the view that, you well be of the view that, you know, if you for police and know, if you vote for police and crime sadiq khan, know, if you vote for police and crain't sadiq khan, know, if you vote for police and crain't going sadiq khan, know, if you vote for police and crain't going to sadiq khan, know, if you vote for police and crain't going to anyiq khan, it ain't going to get any better. but ho, that's one better. but hey ho, that's one opinion. spring is in the opinion. now spring is in the air and so is your chance to win air and so is your chance to win a package, a garden gadget package, a shopping spree, and an incredible £12,345 in tax free cash. here's how you could make those prizes. all yours. >> we've got cash, treats and a spnng >> we've got cash, treats and a spring shopping spree to be won in a great british giveaway. you could win an amazing £12,345 in tax free cash . plus there's tax free cash. plus there's a further £500 of shopping vouchers to spend at your favourite store. we'll also give you a gadget package to use in your garden this spring that includes games console, includes a games console, a pizza oven and a portable smart speaker so you listen to gb

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gb news. >> have a great saturday night with me. leo carson. this saturday night showdown. it's a crazy world out there. so come and make fun of it with me. my panel of comedians and a couple of actually what of people who actually know what they're about. this they're talking about. this saturday night showdown, it's your ticket the your front row ticket to the clown show saturday, only clown show every saturday, only on gb news, the people's channel on gb news, the people's channel, britain's news channel . channel, britain's news channel. >> welcome back to the saturday five. as ever . cheers very much five. as ever. cheers very much for your emails. sandra's written in sandra says don't hold kate to ransom because of a picture mistake like her. i had three abdominal abdominal surgeries . good god, which are surgeries. good god, which are a massive challenge to recover from. i'm so sorry. let her

recover without added stress, please. she certainly deserves it. which is sort of what you were saying, sir. dave says , why were saying, sir. dave says, why should anyone have to tell the world what wrong them? world what is wrong with them? perhaps want perhaps kate doesn't want her children be worried. children to know and be worried. it's fair point, susan says. it's a fair point, susan says. ben, with you the way . ben, i'm with you all the way. just because someone gets a british passport does not make them british. oof, that's a contentious one. with the panel, thomas says police funding is wasted on the marches. that's the pro—palestine ones, when it should be spent on everyday policing. that's a good point. very good point, christine, says darren. what a fibber matthew is. matthew stadlen, that is. we all know men can't multitask. that's another contentious one for the pun . right now it's time for the pun. right now it's time for the pun. right now it's time for tonight's main event. if i had one of those boxes of bells, i would ring. that's it. thank you very much. there we are. don't say we don't do things by half. never mind the thrilla in manilla the rumble in the manilla or the rumble in the jungle. we have a saturday scrap way bigger all of that . in

way bigger than all of that. in the red corner we have chi the cow show and in the blue corner we ben the bomber, leo and we have ben the bomber, leo and ben is fixated on the news that the nhs is set to roll out a fleet of electric ambulances as part of its commitment to combating climate change. he says it's proof that putting net zero targets above patient safety take it away , lads. it's safety take it away, lads. it's round one. >> yeah. so i don't know if you guys saw this week the nhs is rolling out a swathe of electric ambulances across the country. they're going sacrifice they're going to sacrifice patient at the altar of patient safety at the altar of the green, agenda . it's a green the green, agenda. it's a green agenda. it's an absolute scam in my book, at the moment, ambulances, petrol ambulances, they can drive up to 800 miles a day. they need refuelling every other day. and also, how long doesit other day. and also, how long does it take to refuel? just a few minutes at the petrol station. green ambulances. it's been reported, will only be able to travel up to 100 miles a day before needing a four hour recharge. there was a trial in

the west midlands. people raised serious patient serious concerns about patient safety, as part of safety, and also as part of that, they're delivering chemo medicine by e—bike amongst another, you find it funny? i think it's absolutely ridiculous. it's actually devastating to patient health. so my claim is, kai, that this green agenda isn't just killing people worldwide. the nhs . now, people worldwide. the nhs. now, instead of focusing on excess patient waiting list excess deaths around the world, they care more about hitting stupid green targets than they do about patients in england. >> now let me give you a bit of a lesson here, because the key word, the key word in that monologue was trial. yes, there's a pilot scheme currently underway which will be reported on and reviewed. there are net zero targets up until 2040. but if you think that you're going to go against the grain and go against the mainstream view in every large organisation across the world, that these targets are necessary and that

environment, environmental damage and climate change will cause more long term harm than if we don't act. now, if you really think that you're going to buck that trend at the cost of the health of the planet, then i think you're like king canute holding back the tide. >> do you know how much this at this electric ambulance fleet is going to the if it going to cost the nhs? if it goes it's going to make goes ahead, it's going to make operational savings in the long term. >> $— @ you know that? >> no. did you know that? >> no. did you know that? >> £1 billion a year, half >> half £1 billion a year, half £1 billion a year? no, no. this trial the midlands have trial in the west midlands have already said it's going to put patient risk. you already said it's going to put patierwhat? risk. you already said it's going to put patierwhat? this risk. you already said it's going to put patierwhat? this whole you already said it's going to put patierwhat? this whole green| know what? this whole green agenda england going to agenda in england we're going to focus because focus on england because that's where the ambulances are being trialled. much trialled. do you know how much we've our carbon we've reduced our carbon emissions 40 years. >> how much? >> how much? >> more than any other nation on earth by about do you know earth by about 40. do you know what global uk emissions are what the global uk emissions are of compared the rest of of co2 compared to the rest of the world? >> know that we're making vast >> i know that we're making vast improvements. you improvements. let me tell you why that is. let me tell you why thatis why that is. let me tell you why that is one more question. >> do you know how many staff members nhs has hired in

members the nhs has hired in their dedicated team? their dedicated green team? their salary ? do their annual combined salary? do you know 48 staff members? an annual combined salary of in excess of £30 million a year. and do you know how they travelled from london to manchester by plane ? manchester last year by plane? what a bunch of hypocrites. same as prince harry, same as meghan markle . all the other markle. all the other hypocrites. funding. just stop oil, rebellion, oil, extinction rebellion, flying giving flying everywhere, not giving a damn. what? they know damn. you know what? they know that situation isn't as that the situation isn't as serious as their flogging the serious as their flogging to the public. also let's rewind a >> let me also let's rewind a little bit exactly. all these little bit exactly. all of these arguments have been made before on renewable energy. that's the reason why we've improved our our standing in terms of environmental standards in the uk. that's why the energy mix has transformed, is we invested in renewable energy. and guess what? it worked. we still the more you invest to fund, the more you invest to fund, the more to fuel the country. >> at the moment, if you invest and you let the free market do its job, you'll see exactly the same happening with these electric ambulances. >> charging times will

>> the charging times will reduce. they'll get the reduce. they'll get much, the range increase , and range will increase, and everybody's happy. of course, the technology's there now . the technology's not there now. of course the technology is not there now. i accept that . but there now. i accept that. but you need to consistently invest if you're going to see improvement, you if you're going to see improvement , you accept the improvement, you accept the technology's not there. >> range the moment is , >> the range at the moment is, on miles before on average 74 miles before needing a four hour recharge of an ambulance. so you accept the technology's not there . why technology's not there. why are they introducing now? technology's not there. why are the well,»ducing now? technology's not there. why are the well, this ng now? technology's not there. why are the well, this is now? technology's not there. why are the well, this is why)w? technology's not there. why are the well, this is why we need to >> well, this is why we need to expand this pilot scheme. but we're talking about we're not talking about something that's going to be happening immediately. something that's going to be happening immediately . we're happening immediately. we're talking about a net zero plan up until 2040, which, by the way, all almost every single country in the world has committed to these net zero scientists agree, apart from the ones who don't want to be defunded. >> okay, all right, all right, all right. i'm going to bring in the rest of the now. the rest of the panel now. i mean, say to that, mean, what i would say to that, though, actually, well argued mean, what i would say to that, thougbut actually, well argued mean, what i would say to that, thougbut iactually, well argued mean, what i would say to that, thougbut i thinkly, well argued mean, what i would say to that, thougbut i think the vell argued mean, what i would say to that, thougbut i think the low argued both, but i think the low traffic neighbourhoods have traffic neighbourhoods that have blocked example, blocked ambulances, for example, are this direction are a sign of this direction that we're going in. and i think

once again, kai, you're evidence that labour is placing ideology ahead of evidence and which is putting people at risk. >> i don't really know where how the labour party gets, gets into this. i mean, you're really shoehorning that one in there by 2030. >> they want to actually, as far as the concerned, as the grid's concerned, complain ally pally get away from fossil fuels. how the hell are you going to do that? >> i feel like i'm living in a different century. there's been decades mainstream scientific decades of mainstream scientific consensus. to consensus. well, you're going to about the effects of climate change, which has to led which has led to all the net zero plans in every single, because it's literally every single big company into this net zero coi'i. >> con. >> i'm going to let alby come in i'iow. now. >> oh, i was just listening to ben leo speak, and i just thought error, error, error, error one by one. first of all, the united kingdom is not reliant on coal. you meant to say gas? gas? so it's gas, not coal. the second point i would say is about these electric vehicles. you're talking about electrification like it a new

electrification like it is a new thing . we've been electrifying thing. we've been electrifying things since the mid 20th century. we all agree that electric trains are better than steam trains and diesel trains. we all agree that having electric lights are better than having gas lights. and this is just the latest step in electric fication. yes, the technology needs to go further. that is a fair point, right? >> so we have hold on. >> so we have hold on. >> i'm not finished. you had your debate. i'm talking now. we have cabs. they get us have electric cabs. they get us around london. absolutely fine. we vans that we have electric vans that deliver our groceries. they get to our house absolutely fine. why not have a trial for electric ambulances? what is your beef with the trial? >> it's there. >> because it's not there. >> because it's not there. >> the technology is not there. it takes why they're doing their trial to charge a damning trial hours to charge a damning ambulance, a trial. >> i this is why the nhs >> i think this is why the nhs are being smart and they are doing as a trial before doing it as a trial before issuing it out to the wider public. i don't think the nhs are that stupid that they're going people's lives at going to put people's lives at risk. don't think they are, risk. i don't think they are, but no, don't, i don't think but no, i don't, i don't think

they and to be honest, this they are. and to be honest, this net zero stuff is not going to go and every public go anywhere. and every public institution are going to have to keep with the times, and they keep up with the times, and they have to appear that they are doing it, appear doing something about it, appear to something, not that to be doing something, not that they about they care about it. >> proven by dedicated >> as proven by this dedicated nhs green team, who spent 30 k on flights year on domestic flights last year across england. they say they got around, they got a plane from london if they cared. if we're to believe these people and world is burning and and the world is burning and we've got a few years left, you wouldn't a plane from wouldn't get a damn plane from london to manchester when your main nhs is to main job in the nhs is to promote and also promote green schemes. and also it's not just electric ambulances. the nhs, for example, any new suppliers of medicines, any contractors, physical hardware, any kit they now answer 135 questions now have to answer 135 questions before they're allowed to win the contract to see a whether it abides by nhs green values and b whether it meets the target emissions, that's going to put, as proven by this trial in the west midlands, patients risk . west midlands, patients at risk. >> all right. and all i can say you i'll made the point you know i'll be made the point there. his favourite rishi there. but his favourite rishi sunak guess he's building

sunak guess what he's building folks gas power stations. folks more gas power stations. what that you? still what does that tell you? still ahead, we're going to ask the five in which we'll discuss topics sent in by you gb views at gb news. com if you want to get involved, please do. but next going to be get stuck next we're going to be get stuck in to bunch of fives, which is in to a bunch of fives, which is going be pretty awesome if going to be pretty awesome if you ask me. ben. leo, you better do. you're with the saturday

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. it's now time for the bunch of fives . and my story bunch of fives. and my story this week is holly valance. she's made the political class dance. the songstress and the neighbour. she was in neighbours. the actress as well . neighbours. the actress as well. she's been in a whole host of things. but now someone like her has come out and she said, look , has come out and she said, look, i'm going to be voting reform. she says. everyone is a leftie.

until they wise up. the former neighbours actress tends the popcorn launch, which is a popular conservatives launched by launched by former prime minister liz truss. and she said she's got a desire for sir jacob rees—mogg to become prime minister. now look, i'm just going to put this out to the panel going to put this out to the panel. i think it's actually quite to do. and quite a brave thing to do. and i'll you why, because i'll tell you why, because i think in which think in the circles in which holly would have been holly valance would have been used in say that used to operating in to say that you the right of british you are on the right of british politics be commit an politics would be to commit an act so i think it is act of heresy. so i think it is act of heresy. so i think it is a brave bold thing to do. a brave and bold thing to do. she even said this to our she even said this week to our very christopher hope , that very own christopher hope, that she's vote for the she's going to vote for the reform right . that is bold reform party right. that is bold as brass. and i think good for her. we need a bit more of that. we need more people coming forward saying how they feel about things and not being so scared of the cancel culture. >> vultures, a rich person supports a low tax party. what's the new story here? darren >> it's an actor or a singer is rich. what's your point? they're all left wing . can you name many all left wing. can you name many right wing singers or actors ?

right wing singers or actors? >> none at all. and clearly she doesn't want get back in the doesn't want to get back in the limelight. because as you limelight. darren because as you said, of these celebrities, said, most of these celebrities, most social circle most of this social circle that i all time, they are i see all the time, they are luvvies, are lefties . so luvvies, they are lefties. so for come out and that for her to come out and say that she is going to be supporting reform quite controversial. reform is quite controversial. and be honest, fans do, and to be honest, like fans do, judge celebrities about where their political alliances are. hence why i think holly doesn't think she has no way coming back into any sort of stardom any time soon. >> yes, i mean ben lee. or will you be giving a kiss kiss to reform uk? >> it was a cracking tune, wasn't it? that not to me to see it. do you know what i don't? i'm going to go against the grain here. i couldn't really care less who holly valance grain here. i couldn't really care less 1110 holly valance grain here. i couldn't really care less it makesy valance grain here. i couldn't really care less it makes noalance grain here. i couldn't really care less it makes no difference supports. it makes no difference to i don't think to me. and i don't think it makes much of difference to makes much of a difference to the the electorate, you the rest of the electorate, you know, an interesting little know, it's an interesting little anecdote, i guess, i anecdote, i guess, but i couldn't less . couldn't really care less. >> going to go couldn't really care less. >>aldi going to go couldn't really care less. >>aldi now. going to go to aldi now. >> yes, we are this today. >> yes, we are this today. >> in fact, we learned of a plot to oust rishi sunak and replace him the of the house

him with the leader of the house of penny mordaunt. of commons, penny mordaunt. apparently right wing tory mps have moderate have been meeting with moderate tory to oust rishi sunak and tory mps to oust rishi sunak and bnngin tory mps to oust rishi sunak and bring in penny mordaunt. but kai wilshire would. penny mordaunt as pm pm for pm make you more scared about whether or not labour could win the next election? >> i just, election? >> ijust, i mean, i think that's what i've been hearing is that's what i've been hearing is that the labour party sources find the prospect of penny mordaunt, you know, quite, quite dicey rather than some of the right wing firebrands that we've been hearing about, suella braverman and kemi badenoch. i mean, i think they're not as concerned about that lot in the party, but i mean, quite frankly, it's like groundhog day all over again. why this constant chopping and changing british public have had absolutely enough of this from the tory party. >> stephanie, you're the least political on the panel as a sort of floating voter. would penny mordaunt get you more excited about the tories, or are you just thinking it's time for

change? >> no, i think it'll the >> no, i think it'll be the final nail the coffin. if final nail in the coffin. if they try and penny to be they did try and get penny to be they did try and get penny to be the look how many the new leader, look how many conservative leaders we've gone through the space four through in the space of four years. stick with years. come on, stick with rishi. to the rishi. he's not going to do the job, but at least let him finish the job. >> right, steph, we're going >> all right, steph, we're going to come to you next now okay. >> oh, guess who's back. it's guess who's back. guess who's back. guess who's back. guess who's back . it is guess who's back. guess who's back. it is meghan our favourite royal this week she launched her lifestyle brand american riviera orchard. already in the space of two days. she has 480,000 followers. so clearly there is, appeal. with meghan launching this brand. as per usual, her critics have come out and said it's ill timing. all that's going on with catherine and with the royal family. but hello meghan is about team meghan . you meghan is about team meghan. you know what? she has to get back to business. and to be honest, i've some inside info about i've got some inside info about that think was that because i think meghan was actually forced to come with actually forced to come out with this lifestyle on

this lifestyle brand on thursday. was actually thursday. she was actually waiting a few more weeks to do it. again, the media is it. but again, when the media is to to move to on things, she has to move fast. to be honest, think fast. and to be honest, i think meghan's done a good job of proving actually there is proving that actually there is life the royal family life outside the royal family and are and i think people are interested she does interested in what she does next. whether love her or next. whether you love her or hate is always going hate her, meghan is always going to be who forced her? who forced her? i can't say that . i just her? i can't say that. i just say, i said, i've got say, well, i said, i've got inside information on that one. but yeah, she was forced to do instagram and finally return to instagram and finally return to instagram now forced out, i mean, i say is mean, well all i would say is that grift is going to grift. >> luck. what we think >> good luck. what do we think of though? of the name though? >> bit it's a bit wordy, >> it's a bit it's a bit wordy, don't you think? >> . >> yes. >> yes. >> so after it. >> so after it. >> yeah. i think she's trying to make sound all classy, but it make it sound all classy, but it just hit with me. just didn't really hit with me. it's next. it's like, all right, kai, next. >> respect grift. i think >> i respect the grift. i think it's great. >> she's a private citizen. >> she's a private citizen. >> she's a private citizen. >> she should be allowed do >> she should be allowed to do whatever she wants. >> well, she should give up her damn title if damn royal title then if she's a private, why should she go around saying meghan, the duchess of sussex? >> because that's name. the >> because that's her name. the royal >> because that's her name. the royshe said they drove to

>> she said they drove you to near claim that the near suicide. you claim that the institution racist. that near suicide. you claim that the instime,»n racist. that near suicide. you claim that the instime, i'd racist. that near suicide. you claim that the instime, i'd want;t. that near suicide. you claim that the instime, i'd want nothingt near suicide. you claim that the instime, i'd want nothing to do was me, i'd want nothing to do with is she still using? with it. why is she still using? >> royal family stripped >> royal family haven't stripped her the then they her of the title. then they should. absolutely. if should. they? absolutely. if they from her, they don't strip it from her, she use it. she can use it. >> i haven't got long left. sorry. well, yeah. >> really not sure about >> i'm really not sure about this. name, this. i hate the name, but honestly, private honestly, she is a private citizen. used. the citizen. and she used. used the name . name. >> your next, your next, your story. >> your story . >> your story. >> your story. >> i want to keep going, no, actually, definitely don't, actually, i definitely don't, because my story, i think is a real highlight today. if there are any potterheads in the audience , you might have been audience, you might have been a bit offended this week when miriam margolyes burst onto the scene and got herself into some hot water, as she often likes to do now what she has said, and i think two interviews in new zealand, is that harry adult harry potter fans should grow up and move on. now what do we think ? i've actually often think? i've actually often thought that, you know, those adults who keep their childhood

hobbies and interests into their aduu hobbies and interests into their adult life are all right. >> well hang on, i want to get the piers opinion. this is keith , who is our producer, and that's his wedding photograph . that's his wedding photograph. he is a gryffindor. i think in that . that picture. >> oh, i'm not sure about some would say keith, a griffin dork . would say keith, a griffin dork. >> quite, quite a commitment, i think, to have a harry potter theme. >> it's going to take us air i'iow. now. >> sorry . right. >> sorry. right. >> sorry. right. >> okay. >> okay. >> keep the magic alive. i say. you know, i love big kids, and i think you know what? people should be allowed to still keep the magic of harry potter alive. >> amen. yeah. or you can still find it odd. >> got time for you. >> got time for you. >> okay. has been very, very quick. >> one. the very iconic and prestigious times. prestigious sunday times. oh. you're no, being you're not? no, i'm being ditched. i've cancelled. ditched. i've been cancelled. are dean sills finally. >> up next, though, is ask the five. >> the part of the show where anything goes. you won't want to miss

gb news. welcome back to the saturday five. now, this is the part of the show where anything goes. earlier in the show, we asked for your questions, and we've received these replies . anne has received these replies. anne has written in. good evening, anne, she says . oh, well, we sort of she says. oh, well, we sort of touched on this. would we treat meghan the same as kate if she had a major operation ? no, she's had a major operation? no, she's not the princess of wales. so we would not we would not. >> people would be all up in her grill. they would be saying that it was some sort of hoax. darren, you'd be coming up with some why was some reason why it was self—inflicted. doing self—inflicted. she was doing it for attention . yeah. the for attention. yeah. the attitude would be completely different. >> i you different. >>| you >> i tell you what, it'd be different because one would different because no one would care. a nobody. kate's care. meghan's a nobody. kate's the . the future. >> she's obviously not >> i mean, she's obviously not a nobody. >> you why it would be >> she tell you why it would be different? because meghan would >> she tell you why it would be diffeusit? because meghan would >> she tell you why it would be diffeus the5ecause meghan would >> she tell you why it would be diffeus the farause meghan would >> she tell you why it would be diffeus the farause ofzghan would tell us the far end of a sodding. she'd be. >> she she netflix. >> she would she netflix. >> she would she netflix. >> doing a documentary >> she'd be doing a documentary from bedside. it from her hospital bedside. it would just be perfect. >> asks, do think >> christian asks, do you think all channels making all news channels are making a big mistake when discussing extremism and terrorism?

comparisons are exclusively made between islamist extremism and right wing extremism , surely the right wing extremism, surely the more useful and accurate comparison would be between the islamist threat and christianism threat? >> well, i'll tell you something. this will end any discussion about it. 90% of those on the uk's terror watch list are islamists, christian was his name. >> i'm just wondering what christian ism is. actually, i think it's quite interesting that just had a had had an that we just had a had a had an email someone called email from someone called christian about christianism. i'm it i'm not really sure what it would we need a would be. maybe we need a definition for it. darren. what do think? do you think? >> happy. do you think? >> bappy- >> i mean, i'll be happy. do you think gold focussed too think michael gold focussed too much he wanted be much on the he wanted to be balanced or he focussed on a couple of far right groups that nobody's the nobody's heard of but the islamist as says , is islamist threat, as ben says, is actually the threat that poses problems the country on a problems for the country on a wider basis. >> look, we do just have to be honest about what the main threat is to uk security when it comes to extremism. it is islamist extremism. that doesn't comes to extremism. it is islamiweextremism. that doesn't

comes to extremism. it is islamiwe shouldn't that doesn't comes to extremism. it is islamiwe shouldn't be at doesn't comes to extremism. it is islamiwe shouldn't be vigilant|'t mean we shouldn't be vigilant about other forms of extremism on this new definition of extremism. the question is do we needit extremism. the question is do we need it ? the police have the need it? the police have the powers to arrest these people. they don't use the powers. so what are new powers going to do with my question to the community secretary, ben lee? >> what i would say is that i'm worried about definition of worried about this definition of extremism. because i'm extremism. right. because i'm worried actually on worried that actually on university campuses with academics and all the rest of it, that actually it will create a feeling of, well, it'll be against free speech where people feel unable to actually criticise, criticise likes criticise, criticise the likes of threat and of the islamist threat and others because they'll be worried accused of worried about being accused of being an extremist. >> yeah, i'd be banged up. and you know what tories have you know what the tories have done this? they would. they done with this? they would. they are for labour are opening the door for labour to within a year and go to come in within a year and go even on so you know, even further on it. so you know, i mean, i don't know why they include right is a is a include the far right is a is a clear threat in this country, but nowhere near nowhere near the levels of islamist extremism . i was in the london bridge terror attack in 2017. i'll

never forget that. on on the bridge. it happened again years later. westminster. lee rigby. it goes and on and on. it goes on and on and on. >> are you going to put all >> kai, are you going to put all of labourer in? are you of us one labourer in? are you going us all in a gulag? going to put us all in a gulag? you'd love that, wouldn't you know? >> let me look, look, there >> let me look, look, look there are islam and are extreme forms of islam and the of the extreme forms of christianity. and can be christianity. and both can be dangerous. quite dangerous. both are quite allied, actually with the with far right views in some, some countries. we've seen exactly that in the united states , this that in the united states, this kind of extreme form of evangelicalism , so when was the evangelicalism, so when was the last time an extreme christian blew up the metro radio arena in manchester? oh, no . manchester? oh, no. >> i mean, you're picking out individual instances . individual instances. >> i can go on and on to, to try and pretend that it's a much bigger threat from these communities. >> it is a big threat. >> it is a big threat. >> then there needs to be more balance in news coverage about such faiths, because i think it takes the whole of those followers, like people who are islamic and who are muslims, like they fear that they're going to be called a terrorist,

where actually islam is a peaceful religion. but the news won't tell you that because we're too busy tainting everyone as terrorists that are islamic. yes there needs to be a balance. >> exactly. and to one whole faith with the same brush of some extremist, some fringe. >> no one does communities. that's why we call them islamists . islamists. >> well, that's what happens when power as a when you've got power as a news station and you're not balancing out the news stories about these things. >> well, i think we've quite >> well, i think we've had quite a balanced discussion about it this . this evening, actually. >> and look, think it is >> and look, i think it is perfectly reasonable say the perfectly reasonable to say the majority of terror attacks in this in the 21st century this country in the 21st century have been conducted islamist have been conducted by islamist extremists. you know, that is not something which is untrue. and we shouldn't be scared to say that should we. >> well then there should be also more support for the islamic faith as well. if they feel like they are being penalised for the actions of the few. the archbishop of canterbury came out and wished everyone a happy. >> the prime minister of the united kingdom of great britain

>> the prime minister of the unit northern)m of great britain >> the prime minister of the unit northern ireland reat britain >> the prime minister of the unit northern ireland came ritain >> the prime minister of the unit northern ireland came outn and northern ireland came out and northern ireland came out and everyone we've and wished everyone that we've had muslim memorial had a muslim war memorial announced quite right. >> all of those things. absolutely. yeah. why shouldn't the prime minister say happy eve? >> you will go on about that all the time. we're right. we're at the time. we're right. we're at the of that could have the end of that. that could have gone though.thank the end of that. that could have gone though. thank you very gone on though. thank you very much matthew much to the guests. matthew stadlen next the stadlen tonight. next up, the brilliant kearse. cheers for brilliant leo kearse. cheers for watching. week. watching. see you next week. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news is . on gb news is. >> good evening. welcome to your latest gb news weather from the met office. so it's been a cloudy and wet afternoon for many of us, all due to an area of low pressure that's been moving its way towards the uk through the rest of saturday, and will push its way north and eastwards tonight eastwards overnight tonight and into sunday. this into the start of sunday. this will some heavy rain and will bring some heavy rain and has already brought some heavy rain, particularly to parts of southern . we could even southern scotland. we could even see across hills see some snow across the hills and overnight and into the early

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gb news. >> good evening to you. it's 11:00. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom. senior tories have attempted to downplay claims of a conservative plot to replace rishi sunak as prime minister, with penny mordaunt . minister, with penny mordaunt. reports the mail and the reports in the mail and the telegraph on right telegraph say mps on the right of the party would like miss

morton them into the morton to lead them into the next in an effort next election. in an effort to avoid, quote, catastrophic losses in the polls. well, sir jacob rees—mogg, a former business secretary has denounced the idea as madness and dame andrea jenkins, who has publicly backed installing a new leader before the election, denied knowledge anoint before the election, denied know mordaunt anoint before the election, denied knowmordaunt in anoint before the election, denied knowmordaunt in a anoint before the election, denied knowmordaunt in a coronation miss mordaunt in a coronation the move would mean a fourth leader party in just five leader of the party in just five years. sainsbury's has been unable to fulfil the vast majority of today's online deliveries because of technical issues . contactless payments in issues. contactless payments in store were also affected, leaving thousands of customers either unable to buy groceries or having to queue for cash machines. sainsbury's says it was caused by an overnight software update. tesco experienced similar problems, but on a smaller scale. both chains have apologised to customers and say the unrelated issues have now been resolved. the man elected as the new first minister of wales has described his victory as a page in the book of the nation's history.

vaughan gething won a narrow contest ahead of his only rival, jeremy miles, to win the welsh labour leadership race, taking 51.7% of the vote. he'll also become the first black leader of any european country . become the first black leader of any european country. mr gething is expected to be confirmed as first minister on wednesday, when a vote will take place in the senate. he will replace mark drakeford, who's held the post since 2018. it means no uk nafion since 2018. it means no uk nation will be led by a white male for the first time since devolution began in the late 1990s. >> today we turn a page in the book of our nation's history , a book of our nation's history, a history that we write together , history that we write together, not just because i have the honour of becoming the first black leader in any european country , but because a country, but because a generational dial has jumped to like ken and jane. devolution is not something that i have had to get used to or to adapt to, or to apologise for. devolution. welsh solutions to welsh