penny mordaunt. but would with penny mordaunt. but would a change in leader really save the tories, then? should we bring back conscription? the latvian foreign minister says uk and other members should follow his country in adopting the finnish model of national service in an effort to deter russian aggression. so should we bring back conscription? would you join up and london's best fish and chip shop has been ordered to remove a mural by council officials, joining us later to find out exactly why . hey, but find out exactly why. hey, but this show is nothing without you and your views, so let me know your thoughts on all the stories we're discussing today. email me at gb views gbnews.com or message me on our socials . we're message me on our socials. we're at gb news. but first let's get the news headlines with the deliciously dressed in green tatiana sanchez .

tatiana sanchez. >> dawn, thank you and good afternoon. your top stories from the gp newsroom ? transport the gp newsroom? transport secretary mark harper says rishi sunak will lead the tories into the next election. it comes after senior tories were reported to have attempted to downplay claims of a conservative plot to replace the prime minister with penny mordaunt. the move would mean a fourth leader of the party in just five years. mr harper says that, unlike labour, the conservatives have a plan on delivering for the country. >> you've got to show them by the time of the election two things we've got to show them that we've got a plan. the plan is working and it's delivering for them, and i think we can see that is on inflation and on that it is on inflation and on taxes. we've also then got to show that labour party show them that the labour party doesn't have a plan and will be a big risk. for example , we know a big risk. for example, we know the labour party wants to spend £28 billion on their green plan. they've hidden the price tag now, but they don't know how to pay now, but they don't know how to pay for it. that would mean

taxes going up, but shadow paymaster general jonathan ashworth told gb news the government's priority are all wrong. >> rishi sunak he's not acting in the national interest. it's reckless, it's irresponsible. he should name the day of a general election and stabilise matters at the moment, he's more preoccupied with his own leadership and saving his own skin than governing in the national interest . and i think national interest. and i think after 14 years, this is a pretty discredited government . he needs discredited government. he needs to name the day, i mean, but if he doesn't name the date soon, we could have a leadership election soon. >> the ministry of defence says grant shapps was forced to abandon trip to southern abandon a trip to southern ukraine last week for security reasons. british intelligence warned of a credible missile threat from russia , saying the threat from russia, saying the kremlin had got wind of his visit. that's according to the sunday times. mr shapps was due to travel to odesa a day after a missile hit the city while the ukrainian president and the greek prime minister were visiting . five people were visiting. five people were killed in the explosions, according to ukrainian

authorities. meanwhile, the latvian has told latvian prime minister has told the sunday telegraph that britain should consider conscription and a total defence model to deter russian aggression . latvia reintroduced aggression. latvia reintroduced the model last year with all able bodied men required to complete 11 months of military service. however in january, the uk armed forces minister, james heappey, said any talk of the uk introducing conscription to the army of nato goes to war with russia was nonsense that as russians are casting their ballots on the final day of voting for the country's next president, vladimir putin, who's beenin president, vladimir putin, who's been in power since 1999, is expected to win another six year tum with a landslide victory . tum with a landslide victory. the election comes just over two years since russia's invasion of ukraine. the first two days of the vote saw dozens of incidents of vandalism at polling stations, with several people detained across russia . councils detained across russia. councils will have to consider whether residents support low traffic neighbourhoods in their area

before going ahead with the schemes. the draft guidance is due to come into force this summer. they're designed to encourage cycling and walking by limiting driving in side roads and include wider pavements and barriers to restrict vehicles. ltns often use signs and bollards to prevent traffic being able to drive along a certain route, as well as local residents, businesses and emergency services will also need to approve of the move . a need to approve of the move. a volcano in iceland has erupted for a fourth time in just three months. previous eruptions destroyed roads and forced a town to evacuate fountains of molten rock could be seen soaring into the night sky from fissures in the ground. authorities had warned for weeks that an eruption was imminent. just south of iceland's capital, reykjavik . and steve harley, reykjavik. and steve harley, best known as the front man of british rock band cockney rebel, has died at the age of 73. come up and see me to make me smile.

the band enjoyed success in 1975 with the number one hit make me smile . steve harley had still smile. steve harley had still been touring until recently , but been touring until recently, but cancelled dates to have treatment for cancer. his daughter greta says he died peacefully with his family by his side . for peacefully with his family by his side. for the peacefully with his family by his side . for the latest stories his side. for the latest stories sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gb news. com slash alerts. now back to dawn. >> thank you very much, tatiana. right. let's get straight to today's stories, shall we? the leader of the lib dems , sir ed leader of the lib dems, sir ed davey, just in case you've forgotten, has called for a once in a generation election. he called for transfer locational change to bring the blue wall tumbling down. he accused labour and the conservatives of tinkering around the edges and trying to cloak themselves in the costume of change, but they're both really saying keep

things the same. he also poked fun at the prime minister over the calling of the election . the calling of the election. let's have a listen to what he said on that, shall we? >> now, of course, we don't yet know when election day will be. we don't know because it's in the hands of just one man. it's pretty much the only thing left that rishi sunak controls . he that rishi sunak controls. he certainly doesn't control his party, certainly not his cabinet, certainly not the health care crisis or the economy . economy. >> cracking bit of sand up there a. joining me now is gb news political correspondent olivia utley, who is holding a aching sides and explaining exactly what is going on with the lib dems today . dems today. >> well, it's the lib dems spnng >> well, it's the lib dems spring conference today. this is the sort of meeting of the party faithful. >> it was a very exciting hall full of people who've come up and down the country to watch ed

davey in terms of what he was talking about. there were a lot of attacks specifically on the conservatives. i thought it was quite notable how he pretty much laid labour and keir starmer laid off labour and keir starmer all together, which might get tongues that there could tongues wagging that there could be some sort of pact between the lib dems and labour later down the line. there were a couple of moments where it seemed as though ed davey was very, very keen to sort of steal the tories clothes. he talked about reversing rishi sunak cuts to the british a strong the british army, now a strong defence, a strong defence budget is territory which is traditionally the conservatives. but obviously in recent months and we've seen rishi sunak and years we've seen rishi sunak and years we've seen rishi sunak and his government shy away from that 3% gdp commitment to defence. ed davey stepped in there and said that that is something that he would do to huge cheers from his audience . huge cheers from his audience. he talked a lot, too, about specific conservative seats, and i think that's something which we're going to hear a lot more from in the lib dems in the

coming coming months. traditionally, the lib dems don't particularly don't tend to do particularly well but well in general elections, but they do well indeed in they do do very well indeed in by elections because they are very , very getting their very, very good at getting their resources ground when resources on the ground when their targeting, when they're really pinpointing specific their targeting, when they're reallythey'veiting specific their targeting, when they're reallythey've actuallypecific their targeting, when they're reallythey've actually wonic their targeting, when they're reallythey've actually won four area, they've actually won four by elections in the last couple of years , which i'm pretty sure of years, which i'm pretty sure is a record for any party. it sounds as though they are going to be treating the next general election essentially like a series of by elections. they'll be looking at target seats across the country, probably 20 or 30 target seats, and they will be putting all their will be putting all of their resources into those seats. and it's quite that in at it's quite likely that in at least of those seats, least some of those seats, labour hardly bother labour will hardly bother to campaign at all. there'll be some element of sort of tactical voting, quite few of those voting, quite a few of those seats are belonging to sitting cabinet jeremy hunt cabinet ministers jeremy hunt seat in surrey is a target. lib dem seat and penny mordaunt seat down in portsmouth is a target. lib dem seat two. so the lib dems look set on humility , dems look set on humility, putting the conservative party, and it felt as though that was

sort of the theme of that speech today. get out tory mps and get lib dem mps in. but not much mention of labour. >> it's very interesting, isn't it, olivia? the fact that it could be a between the two could be a pact between the two parties, they have parties, although they both have denied they ? denied it, haven't they? >> they have denied it and it's it sounds unlikely that there'll be a sort of official pact between the two parties. but we have seen in previous elections there's some element of tactical voting. and even if it's not announced on the in the sort of national media, there can be sometimes agreements between associations of labour and the lib dems. and even if it isn't as official as that, you can see voters taking it into their own hands to get involved in tactical voting. in a recent by—election, actually, the lib dem has managed to lose their deposit in a seat where they'd previously come third, and it was thought that was because labour stood a much, much higher chance of winning that seat up in the up in red wall constituencies . so i think we

constituencies. so i think we can possibly expect some element of tactical voting between the lib dems and labour, even if it isn't official. and i thought it was very telling, actually, that that ed davey almost entirely laid of keir laid off criticism of keir starmer. the only moment where there was a little bit of criticism was when he talked about gaza and israel. obviously, the dems have obviously, the lib dems have been calling for an immediate ceasefire gaza israel ceasefire in gaza and israel from the very beginning of this crisis. so that's a that's one clear blue dividing line between the lib dems and labour. other than that, it was all the tories that davey was laying into . that davey was laying into. >> olivia, seeing as ed davey has set the stall out for us, talking about the tories, should we carry on? rishi sunak's not going to be a happy bunny again today. part 356. he's being portrayed as an indecisive wimp and penny morden is set to take over the reins. what do you make of what the papers are saying today ? today? >> well, there's all sorts of briefings and counter briefings in the sunday papers this

morning. there is this rumour that penny mordaunt is pitching herself to be the next conservative leader and importantly, not conservative leader after the election, but before it, her allies would like to see her lead the conservative party into the general election rather than rishi sunak. this was reported yesterday . we were was reported yesterday. we were digging around yesterday and it did indeed sound as though there had been some sort meeting had been some sort of meeting going sunday telegraph going on. the sunday telegraph now that actually what now suggests that actually what was going that right wing was going on is that right wing mps were sort of using penny mordaunt. they suggesting mordaunt. they were suggesting that they would like to see penny mordaunt become the next leader , so that could spur leader, so that they could spur a leadership penny a leadership contest. penny mordaunt is popular among the centrists wants get the centrists and wants to get the centrists and wants to get the centrists side , spur centrists on side, spur a leadership contest and then put centrists on side, spur a le'their1ip contest and then put centrists on side, spur a le'their own ontest and then put centrists on side, spur a le'their own candidate then put centrists on side, spur a le'their own candidate , hen put centrists on side, spur a le'their own candidate , be| put centrists on side, spur a le'their own candidate , be that in their own candidate, be that suella braverman or perhaps priti patel . so those are the priti patel. so those are the rumours. rishi sunak, for his part, his allies are saying that penny mordaunt has no values , penny mordaunt has no values, that she is just an empty vessel. it sounds as though he wants to show that there is a

clear line between himself and penny over those trans issues. penny over those trans issues. penny mordaunt for some on the right of the party, penny mordaunt has never managed to win back plaudits after saying at the despatch box that trans women are women. rishi sunak, it seems, wants to mine that seems, wants wants to mine that bit of reluctance that lack of trust in the leader of the commons. but the very fact that the prime minister and the leader of the commons seem to be pretty much at each other's throats behind closed doors over this shows the extent to this issue, shows the extent to which the conservative party is divided, and it's not surprising. today it was real that polls show conservatives are now lower than they were any time since liz truss's budget disaster budget last year. so that's where the conservatives are sitting. and there are some people now saying that in the conservative party that, yes, it would be bad to replace a leader, a fourth leader in as many years. but as things are going, rishi sunak cannot hold on. oh gosh, olivia, i'm not

sure you're helping, my lovely. >> i know we've sent you up to spend the afternoon with the lib dems, but i mean, it's like rats fighting in a sack, isn't it? olivia utley, thank you very much us up speed much for bringing us up to speed on what's happening the lib on what's happening with the lib dems now let's see what my brilliant today make of brilliant panel today make of all i'm joined by author all this. i'm joined by author and broadcaster the amy and broadcaster the lovely amy nicole turner and the equally lovely about it, lovely i thought about it, broadcaster mike parry. thank you both for joining broadcaster mike parry. thank you both forjoining me. and happy saint patrick's day to you both. indeed i'm the only one wearing green, but hey, whatever, now you've the lib dem conference. seemed quite excitable, didn't it? what do you make of what you've heard olivia say? i'm going to come to you first. mike on this one. >> well, you used a very good expression just now. you said, stand up comedian. don't think stand up comedian. i don't think you comedian. thought you said comedian. i thought you said up. right. that said stand up. right. and that was we'd seen some was after we'd seen some pictures walking was after we'd seen some picturerthe walking was after we'd seen some picturerthe stage walking was after we'd seen some picturerthe stage walkwaving around the stage waving, waving like it's a great like this. and it's a great description of ed davey and the image he has of himself and, you

know, everybody loves me. he seems to constantly have this sort of grimace on his face and calling for people's resignation . but i don't hear many policies and i think also that he has this huge ability to forget that he has been very responsible in the scandal that has surrounded the scandal that has surrounded the post office , submaster, the post office, submaster, subpostmasters and mistresses because he was a minister at the time who simply said it wouldn't have been worthwhile him talking to subpostmasters and mistresses whose numbers were building up. didn't he have the intelligence to think to himself well, hang on, for the last ten years there's only been three. suppose master mistresses who've had a problem, and now we've got thousands. something might have gone wrong. >> he's not here to defend himself. >> i'll defend him. >> i'll defend him. >> that's no problem. >> that's no problem. >> i'll defend him on that one. because now who is the compensation in the hands of who could wrong with the could right the wrong with the subpostmasters ? yes. kemi subpostmasters? yes. kemi badenoch of

badenoch came out and said of course should their course they should get their compensation. but the tory party are it and keeping are holding it up and keeping that back . and i think that money back. and i think that's probably because they can't the at the can't foot the bill at the moment. so they're to moment. so they're hoping to kick the can down the line. so labour more money. labour inherit even more money. but a it's such mess. >> it's a hugely complicated structure. now to get all the payments out to the people who deserve them. seriously, is deserve them. seriously, it is now problem. now such an enormous problem. it's going to involve millions, if not billions of pounds, and they're simply trying to work it out. but at the start, out. but surely at the start, amy, must agree with ed amy, you must agree with me. ed davey could have something davey could have done something about chose not to. about it. and chose not to. >> yeah, i'm in out on that >> yeah, i'm in and out on that because i think he's a convenient scapegoat at the moment. we back to moment. but if we go back to what olivia talking about what olivia was talking about with prospect of penny more, with the prospect of penny more, i don't want to go too far down the rabbit hole of the post office. >> and yeah, yeah, sure, sure has got questions to answer. but rishi sunak also appears to have questions to answer this morning. if you read any of the papers take your pick. papers today, take your pick. i'm and i'm sure he probably isn't, and they're not exactly complimentary . i mean, implied complimentary. i mean, implied that it's an indecisive wimp,

and is cunning plan to and there is a cunning plan to get penny morden in. >> really funny , isn't it? >> it's really funny, isn't it? it's like they're just throwing anything at the wall hoping anything at the wall and hoping something sticks. because i think when stood up at think when rishi stood up at conference, we thought we were getting more of this right wing side of the conservative party. but now he seems to have shifted back over to the centre and thinking, oh no , it's not the thinking, oh no, it's not the red wall i'm worried about. it's the blue wall. i think he's worried about all, all, all the walls i've lost. i've lost at this point. >> ew- e are what, colours. >> ultimately he's i >> but but ultimately he's i think thought national think he thought his national insurance cut. i think he thought would impress. but thought that would impress. but actually coincided actually the £0.02 cut coincided with a two point drop in in polling. so now they are now the lowest. as olivia said popularity since liz truss. >> yeah. do we think the whole penny mordaunt thing i think it's at least three of the papers front page. yeah, papers on the front page. yeah, the penny mordaunt thing. the whole penny mordaunt thing. they're describing her as a stalking horse, usually stalking horse, which usually means they're to use her. means they're going to use her. that's someone else in. that's mad. get someone else in. >> would she to be a >> why would she want to be a stalking her ambition is stalking horse? her ambition is to prime minister. what

to be prime minister. well, what i is when she threw i don't get is when she threw her hat into the ring. liz her hat into the ring. when liz truss minister. truss became prime minister. and then rishi sunak, then again, rishi sunak, although that was obviously a sort of coronation to follow. liz truss. but was reading all liz truss. but i was reading all sorts of politicians anonymously saying, oh, penny's no good. she doesn't have the, you know, she doesn't have the, you know, she doesn't have the, you know, she doesn't have an eye for detail. she's these are accusations made against her. i don't know her personally. they were saying she doesn't work hard enough. she doesn't work hard enough. she doesn't grasp her subject, she doesn't grasp her subject, she doesn't get enough. and doesn't get around enough. and also, is middle of the also, she is very middle of the road . if they're going to have a road. if they're going to have a new prime minister to try and boost , rishi new prime minister to try and boost, rishi sunak's right wing appeal boost, rishi sunak's right wing appeal, it's not penny morton, but think that's exactly why but i think that's exactly why penny mordaunt's been penny mordaunt's name has been brought they don't brought up, because they don't want that right wing appeal. >> they want to move to the >> they want to move back to the centre. best for centre. and the best option for a voice perhaps a centrist voice is perhaps penny morden . she's. penny morden. she's. >> i don't think so. >> i don't think so. >> the only people, the support of people like david davis bobby seagull alicia kearns is a very popular figure in the conservative party at the moment.

>> yeah. and caroline nokes, you know we might as know what we might refer to as the tory which i think the tory wets, which i think actually have, a more of a general appeal rather. >> but i think they're wet enough already. >> the members and the >> the party members and the country whole. country as a whole. >> they're wet enough already. >> what i saw, lord cameron get out of the 4x4 walking up downing street, i thought, this can't is a man who can't be true. this is a man who single handedly , view, single handedly, in my view, turned tory into turned the tory party into something like the lib dems. he ran a coalition government with them and seemed to like the lib dem more than dem politicians more than he liked people. dem politicians more than he likethe people. dem politicians more than he likethe bottom eople. dem politicians more than he likethe bottom line a. dem politicians more than he likethe bottom line with me is it >> the bottom line with me is it doesn't matter whether it's grant penny mordaunt, grant shapps penny mordaunt, kemi braverman kemi badenoch suella braverman robert patel, robert jenrick priti patel, father christmas does it actually who is leading father christmas does it acthonservative nho is leading father christmas does it acthonservative party leading father christmas does it acthonservative party at ading father christmas does it acthonservative party at theig moment? >> no, i think it absolutely does because what we're seeing is this right wing takeover of the party. and as figures like suella braverman figures like kemi badenoch rise up the ranks, i think it pushes people to think that the tory party is morphing into a ukip party. and i think that's why now they want

to pull it back to the centre, to pull it back to the centre, to be palatable to the main. >> what good is that, amy? >> what good is that, amy? >> because then if they're pulling back to the centre, there is no clear water there is no clear blue water between them labour anymore. between them and labour anymore. all now is imitate all labour do now is imitate tory and tories tory policies, and tories imitate labour policies. and i think the movement i saw, i heard duncan smith talking heard ian duncan smith talking this he made this morning. okay. and he made it clear if we adopted what it very clear if we adopted what we regard as traditional tory values low tax, low tax, small state, you know, people standing on their own two feet that at least will invite another group of voters in, unfortunately running out of time. >> one very, very quick answer , >> one very, very quick answer, amy, who would you like be amy, who would you like to be the prime minister? the next prime minister? >> starmer, but okay, >> well, keir starmer, but okay, not starmer . not keir starmer. >> it's a not keir starmer running no but i don't want keir starmer please. >> it'll be chaos. carol vorderman carol i wasn't aware she wouldn't get your vote. >> no definitely not right. >> no definitely not right. >> okay. well for all the best analysis and opinion on that story and so much more just go to our website gb news.com i'm

dawn neesom. this is gb news sunday saint patrick's day and there's loads more coming up on today's show . should we? while today's show. should we? while you're having your sunday lunch relaxing, bring back conscription. yeah. get off that sofa, you. the latvian foreign minister says uk and other members should follow his country in adopting the finnish model of national service in an effort to deter russian aggression. so what do you reckon? should we bring back conscription? would it be a good thing for young men or women? all of that and much more to come. gb news, britain's come. this is gb news, britain's news depher.

welcome back to gb news sunday with me. dawn neesom on your telly. online and on digital radio. now should we bring back conscription? one key nato ally says we should. the latvian

foreign minister. they've got very long border with russia by the way. latvia says uk and other members should follow his country in adopting the finnish model service in an model of national service in an effort to deter russian aggression. considering the growing threat from the east, is it inevitable we actually see this happen? oh blimey. it inevitable we actually see this happen? oh blimey . let's this happen? oh blimey. let's see what my panel make of this one. it's a bit heavy for a sunday afternoon, amy. i mean, would you sign up? lovely no, i wouldn't, and i'm the first time somebody asked me that, i felt like i should be all, like, embarrassed about it. but actually, i think i speak for most people this country . most people in this country. >> what if conscription >> what about if conscription means wouldn't a choice ? >> well, exactly. and i don't think need to go that think we need to go to that level, do we? >> we? latvia? >> do we? latvia? >> do we? latvia? >> i think we might. so latvia have actually . and have conscription actually. and then to do then they want to do this finnish where get finnish model where you get conscripted one of conscripted for one year of military and military service. and when i looked into it, it's more just military so they're military training. so they're ready go, which i actually ready to go, which i actually thought idea. but thought is a good idea. but i don't think we need to do conscription because if you do

that, you get un, you get that, you get an un, you get a workforce , an army that don't workforce, an army that don't really want to there, which really want to be there, which is going to be the most is not going to be a the most productive army. think what we productive army. i think what we need do, first all, is put need to do, first of all, is put everything into making the army attractive, making army an attractive, making the army an amazing job. like perhaps it was amazing job. like perhaps it was a few years ago . and then a few years ago. and then i think we would see much more voluntary people wanting to join, people wanting to join voluntarily . we, our national voluntarily. we, our national defence spending under this government has been eroded, eroded, eroded, eroded , and eroded, eroded, eroded, and therefore the job prospects of anyone in, in, in doing service have also been eroded . the have also been eroded. the conditions they live in the payments after they finish their service, the support for their families. if all that was boosted, we would not need to have these discussions about conscription . mike. conscription. mike. >> it's a fair point, isn't it? we having recruiting we are having trouble recruiting for armed forces, army, for all our armed forces, army, navy force. we are in navy and air force. we are in particular is struggling. we navy and air force. we are in parti(we r is struggling. we navy and air force. we are in parti(we don'truggling. we navy and air force. we are in parti(we don't haveing. we navy and air force. we are in parti(we don't have enough, they have we don't have enough, they wouldn't wembley out, to be

wouldn't fill wembley out, to be honest with you, at the moment, the personnel we have, mean, the personnel we have, i mean, we have you mothball we have to, you know, mothball ships haven't got ships because we haven't got enough royal enough people joining the royal navy i've been to latvia, and >> now, i've been to latvia, and latvia country . okay. latvia is a great country. okay. but right on the front line. >> they've got very long >> they've got a very long border with russia 133 miles, along with estonia and lithuania. okay, it's very lithuania. okay, so it's a very sensitive part of the world. now, i kind of agree with amy a bit. the problem is the army is too now to give over or too small now to give over 2 or 3% of to training new young 3% of it to training new young men who don't want to be in the army. do you see what i mean? yeah, because it's a huge job. now, if we just started 20 or 30 years ago with this system, which civilian training, and which is civilian training, and you do 3 or 4 days, each quarter , i think it was in latvia. that's the way they started. okay. so eventually you end up being able to be called up and fully trained after about 4 or 5 years. it's a long term thing . i years. it's a long term thing. i mean, the first time i got shocked by the presence of the military in civilian areas was the first time i went to israel

and i was on the beach and these two beautiful girls sitting next to me were sitting there with machine guns, literally, because they were part of the, you know, they were part of the, you know, the civilian army, which they have was sitting next have because i was sitting next to you. >> gm- to you. >> probably probably >> well, it's probably probably trying away. trying to keep me away. >> you know what >> absolutely. but you know what i mean? i mean, shocking to i mean? i mean, it's shocking to think, are they i mean? i mean, it's shocking to think, with are they i mean? i mean, it's shocking to think, with these are they i mean? i mean, it's shocking to think, with these machine1ey on doing with these machine guns on the ready and the beach? but they're ready and on all the time. but i do on alert all the time. but i do not believe the youth of not believe that the youth of today respond to today would respond to conscription in the way. for instance, my father did pre—war for national service because, of course, it was different times. but i do think somebody has got to get a grip of our whole defence strategy, which is appalling. and find us ways to spend the money better, because defence procurement is one of the most wasteful areas of government expenditure and it can be used properly for a training policy like this. >> they have wasted millions. did you hear? they've wasted billions. example of they built a load of tanks.

>> yes, about 400. >> yes, about 400. >> and then it turned out that the tanks were so loud that people couldn't be around them. so be discarded. >> couldn't discarded. >> people couldn't get in them, things that. things like that. >> couldn't get them >> people couldn't get in them because the vibration in the tank sending people i tank was sending people deaf. i mean, unbelievable, mean, i mean, unbelievable, you know what i mean? >> i think interesting thing know what i mean? >> i tconscription resting thing know what i mean? >> i tconscription resthat thing know what i mean? >> i tconscription resthat it's|g about conscription is that it's aimed at 18 to 27 year olds. now, who is the current government most unpopular government the most unpopular with to 24 year with is 18 to 24 year olds. right. so if you're going to say have conversations about conscription, you need to give young people something that they feel fighting for. young people something that they feel fighting for . at feel is worth fighting for. at the moment. they don't i don't think they're most patriotic think they're the most patriotic bunch has bunch because what has the country given years of country given them? years of austerity . they can't buy austerity. they can't buy a house. they have the lowest living standards, the living standards, like the inequality levels we have inequality levels have. we have not the victorian era not seen since the victorian era . it's not a popular age group. they're going to step forward and say, i want to for stand up this country. >> you are. >> i think you are. >> i think you are. >> i think you've asked most young between about the young people between about the age and they vaguely age of 18 and 23, they vaguely know vladimir putin was. do know who vladimir putin was. do you i sort you know what i mean? sort of thing. he's causing bit

thing. he's causing a bit of trouble, if trouble, isn't he? whereas if you're 21 and you live in you're age 21 and you live in the baltic that we've the baltic states, that we've just named, you see it just named, you can see it across border. that's across your border. that's russia . they're the people who russia. they're the people who invaded could be invaded ukraine. we could be next. a much more next. so it's a much more imminent threat. finland is doing job, spent a lot doing a great job, spent a lot of money that i think they've upped to about upped their budget to about 6. and it's model. and i think it's a great model. but whether we've got the will, the capacity or the money to replicate it, i don't know. >> the human side of things, >> on the human side of things, amy, given given the amy, given that given the problems have with with gang problems we have with with gang crime and knife culture in this country, it might be a positive thing for young men to be conscripted to do some kind of national service. >> do you mean conscripting people from, like, young offenders? yeah, i actually saw a really interesting interview with simon weston on this very channel. you can look it up on youtube. and he said this idea, he didn't. to be in the army, you have to really, really want to be there. and that makes a i totally agree. >> if it seems like a punishment, a really punishment, like a really good idea practice, if it.

idea in practice, but if it. >> like like as mike says, >> yeah, like like as mike says, if it seems a punishment, if it seems like a punishment, it wouldn't work it just wouldn't work practically. right. what practically. that's right. what i good idea. let's i reckon is a good idea. let's conscript the politicians who made decisions . oh, hold on, made the decisions. oh, hold on, hold on. started off the aggression in the first place. >> rishi sunak the front >> rishi sunak on the front line. see you want to me, me. >> i wouldn't give most of our politicians a machine gun because could happen. i because anything could happen. i don't because anything could happen. i dont be because anything could happen. i don't be able to don't think they'd be able to find honest god. find the trigger, honest to god. >> think why a lot >> but i think that's why a lot of people have a problem with this. >> people keep saying the word conscription what we're conscription because what we're seeing politics, politicians seeing is politics, politicians making are making decisions which are leading to wars, and then who who serves in the army first, it's our white, not white. our working class boys. yeah. so that's why people have a problem with this. >> yeah, they you see, the other issue that we've got a very issue is that we've got a very professional army . and bringing professional army. and bringing in just lower in conscripts will just lower the they the professionalism because they won't standard. but we won't get up to standard. but we do all around the do train people all around the world. we've had more people training ukrainian soldiers on salisbury plain here than anywhere else. so if we can do it for the ukrainians, should

it for the ukrainians, we should be do it for ourselves. be able to do it for ourselves. >> it a rethink and that's >> it needs a rethink and that's where re always >> it needs a rethink and that's whereto re always >> it needs a rethink and that's whereto end re always >> it needs a rethink and that's whereto end on re always >> it needs a rethink and that's whereto end on a re always >> it needs a rethink and that's whereto end on a rethink. ys good to end on a rethink. >> that's why we have to leave that unfortunately we are running of i'm dawn that unfortunately we are running gb of i'm dawn that unfortunately we are running gb of sunday)awn that unfortunately we are running gb of sunday and neesom gb news sunday and there's coming up on there's loads more coming up on today's first let's today's show. but first let's get news headlines get the news headlines with tatiana sanchez. >> dawn thank you. the top stories from the gb news room . stories from the gb news room. transport secretary mark harper says rishi sunak will lead the tories into the next election. it comes after senior tories were reported to have attempted to downplay claims of a conservative plot to replace the prime minister with penny mordaunt. the move would mean a fourth leader of the party in just five years. mr harper says that, unlike labour, the conservatives have a plan on delivering for the country . the delivering for the country. the ministry of defence says grant shapps was forced to abandon a trip to southern ukraine last week for security reasons. british intelligence warned of a credible missile threat from russia, saying the kremlin had

got wind of his visit. that's according to the sunday times. mr shapps was due to travel to odesa a day after a missile hit the city, while the ukrainian president and the greek prime minister were visiting. five people were killed in the explosions, according to ukrainian . the widow ukrainian authorities. the widow of russian opposition leader alexei navalny was cheered by voters outside the russian embassy in berlin . yulia navalny embassy in berlin. yulia navalny was protesting on the final day of voting for the country's next president, vladimir putin, who's beenin president, vladimir putin, who's been in power since 1999, is expected to win another six year term with a landslide victory. the election comes just over two years since russia's invasion of ukraine. work on the m25 in surrey is on schedule to reopen for monday rush hour. national highway says good progress is being made after the unprecedented closure. motorists reported miles of tailbacks yesterday on the approach to the five mile closure between junctions ten and 11, and steve

harley, best known as the front man of british rock band cockney rebel man of british rock band cockney rebel, has died at the age of 73. come up and see me to make me smile . the band enjoyed me smile. the band enjoyed success in 1975 with the number one hit make me smile. steve harley had been touring until recently, but had to cancel dates to have treatment for cancen dates to have treatment for cancer. his daughter greta says he died peacefully with his family by his side. for the latest story, sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts now back to dawn. >> thank you tatiana. now remember you can get in touch about all the stories we're discussing today by emailing me on gb views at gb news. com or message me on our socials at gb news. loads more coming up on today's show now at. london's best fish and chip shop has been

ordered to remove the mural by council officials . join us in council officials. join us in a moment to find out exactly why thou all of that and much more to come. i'm dawn neesom and you're

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this conservative mp elliot colburn left the house of commons in stunned silence last month when he revealed details of his suicide bid during prime minister's questions. he sits down for an interview with a gloria de piero where he describes his feelings in the build up to trying to end his life in december 2021, and urges others who need help to ask for it. let's have a quick listen, shall we? >> felt as if there's no point going on anymore. >> you know, there's absolutely no point. you are unwanted . no no point. you are unwanted. no one wants to see or hear from you and you cannot do anything right. so why waste everyone else's time and your own time? you might as well remove yourself from the equation now and after hours of stewing on that that day i took out my notepad from my bag. i wrote a goodbye message and tried to do something really stupid. >> and glad it didn't work. >> and i'm glad it didn't work. >> and i'm glad it didn't work. >> you can watch the full

interview at 2:00. so that's in 25 minutes or so. so stay tuned. and believe me, it is an interview that no man or woman who loves a man wants to miss because male suicide in this country is at catastrophic levels . so please do tune in for levels. so please do tune in for that. now london's best fish and chip shop has been ordered to remove a union flag by council officials . the golden chippy in officials. the golden chippy in greenwich that's in south london, has been asked to remove its mural depicting the union flag being held by a humanoid fish. you can see it there. it's a bit of fun, isn't it? made me laugh. anyway, the slogan saying a great british meal because it's been deemed in appropriate for the area joining me now is gb news national reporter theo shikomba to explain exactly why it's inappropriate . theo, lovely it's inappropriate. theo, lovely to see you with hopefully a nice bag of fish and chips there . bag of fish and chips there. >> yeah, well, when it comes to fish and chips, we all know

they're a part of a british tradition and the golden chippy is an award winning restaurant. and for years they've been serving the community here in greenwich. and even today, on a sunday, they are fully packed today. but this is the issue here. we've got a mural and which says a great british meal, and this has been called , it's and this has been called, it's been an issue for residents who live in this area who've complained to greenwich council, who say it's inappropriate considering it's in a conservation area . but is it a conservation area. but is it a really inappropriate? here's what some of the local people we've been speaking to had to say. >> i probably got down because of the flag and they were like, what's wrong with it? it looks all right, doesn't it? i mean, look some of the graffiti look at some of the graffiti they've in greenwich. they've got around in greenwich. they take that they don't want to take that down but you've down today. but when you've got something half something like this, it's half decent. remove it. decent. they want to remove it. >> artwork. i really >> fantastic artwork. i really like reminds me of banksy. like it. reminds me of banksy. so was banksy there, so if it was a banksy there, they wouldn't complain. and so

why can't other artists who do fantastic work like that also have an opportunity to lighten up streets joyfully ? up the streets joyfully? >> well, those are the views here from people who live in this local area. but i'm kindly joined by chris, the owner. thank you so much for your time this you've for this afternoon. you've been for here 20 now, tell tell me here 20 years now, tell tell me how issue has come up. how this issue has come up. >> this issue has come up. i've got so many international people that come here from different, different places, tourists. and they like taking pictures, selfies, blah, blah, blah. so they come and stand against this wall here. they take pictures. it's only been up for about a month, and, it's been very, very popular . i month, and, it's been very, very popular. i don't want to month, and, it's been very, very popular . i don't want to believe popular. i don't want to believe that any of the locals are complaining that this is too loud or anything like that. it's just, they say it's it needs planning permission. how? a little thing like this needs planning permission. i don't

know, but this is not greenwich council. this is royal borough of greenwich now, so they're cracking up a little bit . cracking up a little bit. >> and just finally, how did this come about? are you working with an artist in this local area? >> i've got a local, guy that , >> i've got a local, guy that, does, murals. >> so he said, would you like me to do something for you? i said, yes, why not? so i gave him £250, and i said, make sure you leave a bit of space for people to stand there so they can take some or pictures or some selfies or pictures or whatever they want to do from golden chippy. been golden chippy. and it's been extremely and not one extremely popular. and not one person has come to me and said, that looks terrible . so i cannot that looks terrible. so i cannot imagine the person that complained about this. i think it's just council . it's just council. >> well, chris, thank you so much for your time in terms of popularity, though, we've seen people come here as family members coming together to take pictures here, and they see they say it's not an issue, but at the moment it's still here for now . and the council will be now. and the council will be providing further information

whether or not this is definitely going to go away. theo that's that's ridiculous. >> i won one of the lovely ladies you interviewed there. she said it was a banksy. no one would be complaining, would they?i would be complaining, would they? i bet the council wouldn't be in be getting their knickers in a twist. is a banksy, would twist. if it is a banksy, would they? mean, looks great. it they? i mean, it looks great. it makes smile. plus makes people smile. plus it's good business. good for business. >> yeah, absolutely . and that's >> yeah, absolutely. and that's what everyone here who we've been speaking to is saying. they're saying, what's the issue? i don't quite understand, residents we've been speaking to all morning saying don't really understand what issue is. understand what the issue is. probably say probably one person did say maybe it shouldn't be here. it should blank but should just be a blank wall. but apart from that, everyone else seems it and seems to be enjoying it and everyone's going inside and eating chips. eating the fish and chips. >> well i hope you >> brilliant. well i hope you enjoy your. deserve it. you enjoy your. you deserve it. you worked young man, worked hard today, young man, that's down in that's theo chikomba down in greenwich well, one greenwich forest with. well, one of the london's best fish and chip which seems upset chip shops, which seems to upset the council . what do the local council. well, what do you make of this, mike? it's ridiculous, isn't it? >> think it's pathetic, the >> i think it's pathetic, the

greenwich very greenwich council is very heavily labour. i think it's 52 to or something like that. you to 3 or something like that. you know mean? know what i mean? >> fish and chips then. >> so your fish and chips then. >> so your fish and chips then. >> no, that. what >> well, no, it's not that. what i is right. i suspect i suspect is right. i suspect it's the union jack they it's the union jack that they object to not the mural object to and not the mural itself. because we all itself. okay. because we all know that with inside the labour party, there's a self loathing about being british and a dislike of the traditions of their country. they would call that colonial because it's a union jack. it's a beautiful mural. >> it sits outside his shop. >> it sits outside his shop. >> right. they come along, buy their fish and chips , want their their fish and chips, want their picture taken in the white space to the right of the flag? do you see what i mean? and it's a wonderful business initiative. you said it's good for business. it's good for area . people it's good for the area. people are from all over the are coming from all over the world, , who are in world, literally, who are in london just to go to that fish and chip shop, to buy the fish and chip shop, to buy the fish and chips and have their picture taken. now, a few and chips and have their picture taken ago, now, a few and chips and have their picture taken ago, that now, a few and chips and have their picture taken ago, that owner,, a few and chips and have their picture taken ago, that owner, very�*w years ago, that owner, very enterprising man, had a 70 foot, high sign above his shop. okay, with the same sort of thing, but

he was told to take it down because it was obtrusive to the local area. and i can perhaps understand a little bit of that, but they've clearly got the hump that he's shown the initiative to design a much smaller one on the wall next to his shop with the wall next to his shop with the union jack on it. and that's what they hate. i think they're pathetic. >> i intensely, i, i intensely dislike them doing this , and dislike them for doing this, and i wish they would all just get real. >> go, amy! >> go, amy! >> get away for consistency. >> get away for consistency. >> weren't you one of the voices who got rather wound up by the rainbow flag at king's cross station? no or would you be happy if that was like that said, you know, trans rights are rights and had a big rainbow. >> i don't care what it says. i honestly don't care what it says.i honestly don't care what it says. i think it's a great marketing ploy. i think it entertains the locals. people come to see it. i don't care what come to see it. i don't care whtl agree, and think that >> i agree, and i think that little of local democracy little bit of local democracy shows it's wanted there. shows that it's wanted there. however, brought however, i know you brought up banksy and actually banksy's have up by local have been covered up by local councils. an example

councils. there was an example in usually to protect councils. there was an example in because ually to protect councils. there was an example in because they to protect councils. there was an example in because they want 'otect councils. there was an example in because they want to, ct councils. there was an example in because they want to, they them because they want to, they want protect tradition of want to protect the tradition of the area. so it's kind of like preservation of the old world. do you think, do you have like coronation street ? do you think coronation street? do you think that detracts from the area? and then you put a massive anthropomorphic fish on the side of the cobbles. >> mean, i mean, do you think >> i mean, i mean, do you think that's problem? that that's the problem? does that detract that street or that detract from that street or that area think it area like, well, i think it lightens up. lightens it up. >> it lightens it up. i >> i think it lightens it up. i agree with you and i think the locals with you, but i locals agree with you, but i think thinking behind the think the thinking behind the council we have to council would be, oh, we have to preserve a preserve this because it's a certain tradition. certain way and it's tradition. and channel and normally on this channel you're tradition and you you're all for tradition and you want to things as they are. want to keep things as they are. >> got traditional flag >> it's got a traditional flag in that's what i like about in it. that's what i like about it. >> you em ma h- h— >> you wouldn't be as hot on that anthropomorphic if that anthropomorphic fish if it wasn't union jack. wasn't holding the union jack. no, like a no, if it was holding like a palestinian flag. >> the thing is, the >> not at all. the thing is, the union is a very colourful union jack is a very colourful flag, that's why it's a flag, and that's why it's a nice, sign. now, when nice, colourful sign. now, when i live shows, take i do live shows, right, i take along cardboard cut—out of along a cardboard cut—out of myself because people to along a cardboard cut—out of mysetheir:ause people to along a cardboard cut—out of mysetheir picture eople to along a cardboard cut—out of mysetheir picture eople nexto have their picture taken next to my porky pig when i'm there,

okay? makes stay. okay? and it makes people stay. you know, they something to you know, they it's something to take of. you sure. take a picture of. you sure. i mean, just a picture of the mean, not just a picture of the shop. i think it's a shop. and i think it's a horrendous attack on business on the on the fish and chip holder and local people. and the local people. >> shrewd businessman, >> he's a shrewd businessman, though, going though, because he's going to have all the down have a queue all the way down the road until he's got to paint over and he'll do over it, and then he'll do something else. >> the council are making him paint disgraceful. paint over it. it's disgraceful. >> lives just down the road paint over it. it's disgraceful. >> liiss just down the road paint over it. it's disgraceful. >> liis from down the road paint over it. it's disgraceful. >> liis from down thecyprus, and he is from northern cyprus, and he is from northern cyprus, and the one that's actually and he's the one that's actually looking said it's out of >> i think i said it's out of character with the area and it's not to do with union jack. not to do with the union jack. can clear? can we just make that clear? well how do you know that? well, of they would of course it's not. they would have with any art. any have done it with any art. any art don't know amy. art you don't know about. amy. i'm sorry. art you don't know about. amy. i'm sthink you're too trusting. >> i think you're too trusting. if he did in bristol. if he did it in bristol. >> if didn't, i'm going to >> if he didn't, i'm going to leave image leave you with the mental image of parris, the real of two. mike parris, the real one a cardboard cut—out. absolutely >> okay. >> em— 5 you need that in your >> because you need that in your life, my. go. blimey, life, right? oh, my. go. blimey, who it? i'm dawn neesom. who does it? i'm dawn neesom. this news and this is gb news sunday and there's up on there's loads more coming up on stage councils ignore stage show, councils ignore local low traffic local opposition to low traffic neighbourhoods mile neighbourhoods and 20 mile an

hour could stripped hour zones could be stripped of their powers issue penalties. their powers to issue penalties. could the beginning of could this be the beginning of the those low traffic the end for those low traffic neighbourhoods? all of that to come britain's come with gb news, britain's news don't go too far news channel. don't go too far now.

welcome back to gb news thunder with me . dawn neesom on your with me. dawn neesom on your telly. online and on digital radio. now. councils that ignore local opposition to low traffic neighbourhoods and 20 mile an hour zones could be stripped of their powers to issue penalties . their powers to issue penalties. yay! guidance, to be yay! draft guidance, due to be published state that published today, will state that authorities must gain support from local residents and businesses emergency services before introducing new ltn. it makes perfect sense to me, amy. >> well , i had makes perfect sense to me, amy. >> well, i had a look at the research that led to this, and it was four years in development. it had cross—party consensus all the way through. the biggest cause of child death in was road traffic in wales was road traffic incidences. and if you're hit by

a car at 20 miles an hour, you're times more likely to you're five times more likely to die . it protects children, it die. so it protects children, it saves the nhs and saves money for the nhs and it just makes sense when it when you down. you boil it down. >> what about local one? >> what about the local one? we've had installed and we've just had installed and ours, you've got dual ours, where you've got a dual lane carriageway, there's no access side access on either side to pedestrians schools or pedestrians or schools or anything . no one can get to it. anything. no one can get to it. why is that 20 mile an hour with those though? why is that 20 mile an hour with those localiough? why is that 20 mile an hour with those local authority apply why is that 20 mile an hour with thoseto local authority apply why is that 20 mile an hour with thoseto be al authority apply why is that 20 mile an hour with thoseto be changed ty apply why is that 20 mile an hour with thoseto be changed to apply why is that 20 mile an hour with thoseto be changed to a apply why is that 20 mile an hour with thoseto be changed to a 30, itly for it to be changed to a 30, it just it around. so it used just swaps it around. so it used to be 30, now it's to be blanket 30, now it's blanket but they don't. blanket 20, but they don't. >> this is my objection to them. first hour first of all, 20 miles an hour at a.m. first of all, 20 miles an hour at am. the morning when at 4:30 am. in the morning when there's there is there's nobody there is ludicrous. it's part of the war against motorist. it against the motorist. it actually knackers cars going that me. that slow, believe me. and because gearing of a car, because of the gearing of a car, it pushes out more filth into the air. when a car is having to chug along at 20 than it does if it was going at 30. and as for the low traffic zones or whatever called, that whatever they're called, that again, just wore on. the again, is just wore on. the motorist, which pushes and motorist, which pushes tons and tons roads tons of traffic onto main roads and pollution in and causes terrible pollution in the atmosphere. >> it does the opposite and

saves your tires. you hit saves your tires. have you hit a pothole at 30? you're getting a new tire. hit it at 20 on the potholes. >> this is all about allegedly the of the the >> this is all about allegedly theis of the the >> this is all about allegedly theis clean of the the >> this is all about allegedly theis clean in)f the the >> this is all about allegedly theis clean in some the >> this is all about allegedly theis clean in some of the >> this is all about allegedly theis clean in some of these areas. >> the car. sorry, you were talking about knackering your car. knackered car car. i've knackered my car by driving fast. driving over a pothole too fast. >> sure have, but >> well, i'm sure you have, but it knackers the engine of it also knackers the engine of the for more. seriously, the car for more. seriously, if it's scuttling the it's scuttling along and the concentration of the driver to keep on that speedometer, concentration of the driver to keep under»n that speedometer, concentration of the driver to keep under 20.|at speedometer, concentration of the driver to keep under 20. have aedometer, concentration of the driver to keep under 20. have aedo seenr, keep it under 20. have you seen the figures morning about the figures this morning about the figures this morning about the fines ? 60 the number of fines? 60 and 70,000 a year in some 70,000 fines a year in some towns where the 20 mile an hour limit has been brought in, and penalising people for driving into traffic zone. into the low traffic zone. >> i've seen the figures over the four year development of this child deaths went down. the four year development of thisthat's deaths went down. the four year development of thisthat's the ths went down. the four year development of thisthat's the very ent down. the four year development of thisthat's the very pleased 1. the four year development of thisthat's the very pleased at >> that's the very pleased at that. they should that. and they should be controlled to miles an hour controlled to 20 miles an hour outside outside outside schools, outside hospitals that's an areas hospitals. that's not an areas where are parks. where children are in parks. okay >> that's that should be done quickly. surely it's a good idea to consult the residents to consult with the residents though, possibly. though, amy. yeah, possibly. >> this evidence . >> but show them this evidence. >> but show them this evidence. >> oh, yeah. i love bit of >> oh, yeah. i love a bit of local democracy, but i think that give people a say in

that this give people a say in how but what i'm how they live. but what i'm saying what are you going to saying is, what are you going to put front of them? because put in front of them? because there's of press around there's a lot of press around this that reminds the ulez this that reminds me of the ulez stuff, which is actually very, very put very biased. so what i would put forward the house of commons forward is the house of commons debate this subject then debate on this subject and then let decide. and i'm pretty let them decide. and i'm pretty sure decide in the end, sure they'll decide in the end, these sense. sure they'll decide in the end, the i; sense. sure they'll decide in the end, the i think sense. sure they'll decide in the end, the! think sadiqa. sure they'll decide in the end, the! think sadiq khan an >> i think sadiq khan is an example of a mayor. stop it. who has a war against has who has a war against motorists? biased? has who has a war against mothey're biased? has who has a war against mothey're motoring biased? has who has a war against mothey're motoring into ased? has who has a war against mothey're motoring into thei? >> they're motoring into the weather here. i'm neesom gb weather here. i'm dawn neesom gb news loads more news and there's loads more coming let's have a look coming up, but let's have a look at the blue weather, shall at the blue moon weather, shall we? nice. we? hope it's nice. >> outlook with >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. well, for the week ahead it's remaining changeable across the board for most the week. it will be most of the week. it will be fairly mild, but towards the end of the week into the weekend it does like it will turn does look like it will turn briefly colder. for rest briefly colder. so for the rest of sunday still got low pressure. in charge pressure. generally in charge across the country, but any

showers generally fizzling out as the evening goes on. so some fairly clear skies developing across england and wales, but it doesn't last long in the west. another band of cloud and rain beginning to work its way into by the end of the night, clear skies out towards the east and maybe across northern ireland. and all it is going and for all of us, it is going to be a mild one, temperatures not falling much lower than 5 to 7 so into monday 7 degrees. so into monday morning, a bright start in the east, but the cloud and rain across central parts move across central parts will move its eastwards as the day its way eastwards as the day goes on behind it. some drier and brighter for a time . and brighter weather for a time. this transfers towards the east into the afternoon and that allows another band of cloud and rain to work its way in from the west. so wet end to the west. so quite a wet end to the day for northern ireland. but for another mild day. for many another mild day. temperatures to 17 degrees in temperatures up to 17 degrees in the south—east. tuesday for a lot of us it's going to be a rather cloudy picture. outbreaks of rain moving their way south eastwards. it does brighten up later on in the day across northern ireland and scotland,

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goddess tatiana sanchez. >> dawn thank you. the top stories from the gp newsroom. transport secretary mark harper says rishi sunak will lead the tories into the next election . tories into the next election. it comes after senior tories were reported to have attempted to downplay claims of a conservative plot to replace the prime minister with penny mordaunt. the move would mean a fourth leader of the party in just five years. mr harper says that, unlike labour, the conservatives have a plan on delivering for the country . delivering for the country. >> we've got to show them by the time of the election two things we've got to show them that we've got to show them that we've got to show them that we've got a plan. the plan is working and delivering for working and it's delivering for them, think we can see them, and i think we can see that is on inflation and on that it is on inflation and on taxes. we've also then got to show that the labour party show them that the labour party doesn't plan and will be doesn't have a plan and will be a big risk. for example, we know the labour party wants to spend £28 billion on their green plan . £28 billion on their green plan. they've hidden the price tag now, but they don't know how to pay now, but they don't know how to pay for it. that would mean taxes going up. >> but shadow paymaster general

jonathan ashworth told gb news the government's priorities are all wrong . all wrong. >> rishi sunak is not acting in the national interest. it's reckless, it's irresponsible. he should name the day of a general election and stabilise matters. at the moment, he's more preoccupied with his own leadership and saving his own skin than governing in the national interest and i think after 14 years, this is a pretty discredited government, he needs to name the day, i mean, but if he doesn't name the date soon, we could have a leadership election soon. >> the ministry of defence says grant was to grant shapps was forced to abandon a trip to southern ukraine last week security ukraine last week for security reasons. british intelligence warned of a credible missile threat russia , saying the threat from russia, saying the kremlin had got wind of his visit, according to the sunday times, mr shapps was due to travel to odesa a day after a missile hit the city, while the ukrainian president and the greek prime minister were visiting. five people were killed explosions, killed in the explosions, according ukrainian according to ukrainian authorities . meanwhile, the authorities. meanwhile, the latvian minister has told

latvian prime minister has told the sunday telegraph that britain should consider conscription and a total defence model to deter russian aggression . latvia reintroduced aggression. latvia reintroduced the model last year with all able bodied men required to complete 11 months of military service. however, in january the uk armed forces minister, james heappey, said any talk of the uk introducing conscription to the army of nato goes to war with russia was nonsense . the widow russia was nonsense. the widow of russian opposition leader alexei navalny was cheered by voters outside the russian embassy in berlin . yulia navalny embassy in berlin. yulia navalny was protesting on the final day of voting for the country's next president, vladimir putin, who's beenin president, vladimir putin, who's been in power since 1999, is expected to win another six year term with a landslide victory . term with a landslide victory. the election comes just over two years since russia's invasion of ukraine. work on the m25 in surrey is on schedule to reopen for monday rush hour. national highway says good progress is being made after the

unprecedented closure . motorists unprecedented closure. motorists reported miles of tailbacks yesterday on the approach to the five mile closure between junctions ten and 11 in surrey , junctions ten and 11 in surrey, a volcano in iceland has erupted for a fourth time in three months. previous eruptions destroyed roads and forced a town to evacuate for mountains of molten rock soared into the night sky from fissures in the ground, authorities had warned. for weeks that an eruption was imminent. just south of iceland's capital, reykjavik . iceland's capital, reykjavik. and steve harley, best known as the front man of british rock band cockney rebel, has died at the age of 73. come up and see me to make me smile. the age of 73. come up and see me to make me smile . the band me to make me smile. the band enjoyed success in 1975 with the number one hit make me smile . number one hit make me smile. steve harley had still been touring until recently, but cancelled dates to have treatment for cancer. his daughter greta says he died peacefully with his family by

his side for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gbnews.com slash alerts. now back dawn . back to dawn. >> thank you very much, tatiana . >> thank you very much, tatiana. now let's get straight into today's story, shall we? a conservative mp, elliot colburn, left the house of commons in stunned silence last month when he revealed details of his suicide bid during prime minister's questions . he sat minister's questions. he sat down for an interview with gloria de piero , describing his gloria de piero, describing his feelings in the build up to trying to end his life. in december 2021. >> elliot colburn, conservative mp since 2019. last month , there mp since 2019. last month, there was quite a moment at prime minister's question time when you stood up to ask a question and in which you revealed that

in december 2021. so about two and a half years ago , you tried and a half years ago, you tried to take your own life . why did to take your own life. why did you make that that statement in parliament? >> to be honest, i didn't make the decision really until that day that i would have done if i was lucky enough to be called. >> you know what it's like? it's a lottery system. >> we don't know if we're going to get called that day or not for sure. >> f- for sure. >> been thinking about >> so i had been thinking about it while. been very it for a while. i'd been very blessed in my recovery since 2021, and i just started to pick up and notice that particularly through constituency casework and things like that, that even if people weren't bringing up mental health, it seemed to be a feature actually lot feature of actually quite a lot of what on a day to day of what i do on a day to day basis. so something just said, you know what, now might be a good time for you to share this experience that you've i experience that you've had. i felt was in a strong felt like i was in a strong enough talking felt like i was in a strong enougit. talking felt like i was in a strong enougit. hadn't talking felt like i was in a strong enougit. hadn't saidtalking felt like i was in a strong enougit. hadn't said anything about it. i hadn't said anything outside my immediate family, since it happened . so something since it happened. so something to said, you know what? i think

you're in a good enough place to share your story now and hopefully start a bit of a conversation about what we might be able for other people be able to do for other people about it. i didn't really know what expect, but something what to expect, but something just felt right that day. but you know what it's like with pmqs. you to sort of read pmqs. you have to sort of read the you don't know it's the room. you don't know if it's going to be the right moment for a topic certain a certain topic or a certain something . so i have to admit, i something. so i have to admit, i did have a back up question just in didn't feel like it in case i didn't feel like it was yet, the pm wasn't was right yet, and the pm wasn't aware of what i was going to say outside of the broad topic around suicide prevention. so i can't say that it was something that i'd been building up to for a while, or planning necessarily that i'd been building up to for abut le, or planning necessarily that i'd been building up to for abut somethingning necessarily that i'd been building up to for abut something aboutecessarily that i'd been building up to for abut something about that;arily that i'd been building up to for abut something about that day' , but something about that day felt right, and i was lucky enough be called by the enough to be called by the speaken enough to be called by the speaker, there i go. speaker, and there i go. >> wow, that's that's remarkable that you weren't sure up until that you weren't sure up until that last moment whether you were going to reveal it. >> i remember watching it and, you know, we were like, oh my gosh, that is a brave thing to do. i was with a couple of other

mps at the time . tell me, as mps at the time. tell me, as much as you're comfortable to tell me , what led you to the tell me, what led you to the point where you thought there's no other way? i want. >> i want to take my own life that had been building up throughout most of 2021. >> it began , i suppose, what >> it began, i suppose, what you'd call quite almost low level , periods of anxiety or level, periods of anxiety or feeling depressed or down. i didn't think it was anything unusual or outside the normal day to day stresses of the job, things feeling difficult or whatnot. but as the year went by, those sort of negative thoughts became more and more extreme, and i started telling myself things like, you know what? you don't . you're not what? you don't. you're not wanted by people around you. my relationships at home, my relationships at home, my relationships at home, my relationships at work, all started to really start to crumble. they all became really difficult. and i began isolating

myself because that's what i was telling myself, that other people wanted. i said to myself that they didn't want me around and it was completely irrational. now, looking back. and got worse and worse as and it got worse and worse as the year went on. i had a number of death threats come through that new to me that year which were new to me at that time, become more accustomed to them now, but at that time they were a fairly new experience for me and all of this just fed into this awful thought cycle and culminated in a night in december where again , a night in december where again, i didn't wake up that morning thinking, today's the day i'm going to do it. i guess the same with asking my prime minister's question. really? something happened that day where everything just snapped into place and i felt as if there's no point going on anymore, you know, there's absolutely no point. you are unwanted. no one wants to see or hear from you , wants to see or hear from you, and you cannot do anything

right. so why waste everyone else's time and your own time? you might as well remove yourself from the equation now and after hours of stewing on that that day i took out my notepad from my bag . i wrote a notepad from my bag. i wrote a goodbye message and tried to do something really stupid . and i'm something really stupid. and i'm glad it didn't work, is all i can say, i'm really glad it didn't work, but i. i can't say that i'd been planning necessarily to do that , but i necessarily to do that, but i guess that day everything came at once. everything felt like it was on me that day. and did something really silly. >> what happens the next day after you, after you attempt to take your own life? >> it was all a bit of a whirlwind . i was taken to whirlwind. i was taken to hospital that night, to saint heuen hospital that night, to saint helier, which is our local a&e. i was assessed for physical damage first to check that what i had done hadn't left any thing that required any more intervention. once they were happy and once they'd looked at

me, they then referred me to springfield hospital in south london, which is a mental health hospital where i stayed for a while. and when up the while. and when i woke up the following day in springfield, because all of this happened overnight, i, i was in a bit of a whirl and a bit of a daze, really. i can't really describe the feeling i, i was feeling silly. i was feeling guilty. part of me was upset. i think that i hadn't managed to do it, but another part of me had seen the pain that it had obviously inflicted on my family that had found me and felt unbelievable guilty about that. and it was not a good place. i still fear how i felt in those few days, immediately before and immediately before and immediately afterwards, and i never want to feel like that again. it was scary. i never,

ever want to go back to that place and so the next day was was a real well, in fact , the was a real well, in fact, the next few weeks really, as i was released from hospital and i was put on a longer tum path of recovery , those early days were recovery, those early days were still quite difficult because i was still trying to process my own feelings and why i'd got so low, but also the guilt of what i had put my loved ones through and what they'd experienced too. and i still feel upset about what i put them through . i just what i put them through. i just wish that i had spoken to somebody beforehand and hadn't got to that point . got to that point. >> that's interesting. >> that's interesting. >> so if somebody and we know how big a issue suicide is for men, i think it's the biggest killer of men under 50. >> yeah , yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> yeah, yeah. >> so it's a huge issue for those people who are watching

this. >> and who can see, where the path that they're on and where it may lead . what's your what it may lead. what's your what are your words? what can you tell them? how can you help? >> i always say, if i had a crystal ball in that moment where i was feeling at my lowest , and the thing i always wanted to know was will everything be okay in the end? does everything work out? and of course, the answer is yes. everything does. things have a way of working out. they really do. and nothing is as ever as bad as all that for thing that didn't for me. the thing that i didn't do, think have do, which i think would have really helped, is to talk really helped, is start to talk to somebody. anyone doesn't have to somebody. anyone doesn't have to be a professional, can be a friend, a loved one, a colleague, anyone that isn't going to solve everything. of course it's not. and of course, these things do take longer. recovery measured in a recovery can be measured in a very long space of time. it can take a very long time for people , and some people may always need for the rest of their life

some kind of help, whether it be medication or therapy or counselling. some people may have recovery , but it have a faster recovery, but it all starts by opening up and that's what i didn't do. and that's what i didn't do. and that's what i wish i had done . that's what i wish i had done. if i'd have just spoken to someone about how i was feeling. because looking back now, and when people tell me, you know what? i did think you were closed off during that period. i noficed closed off during that period. i noticed a change in you . i just noticed a change in you. i just wish you'd said something . yeah, wish you'd said something. yeah, i wish i'd said something as well. it is reliant on others to looking out for each other as well. of course it's a two way street, but if can find that street, but if you can find that energy that strength to energy and that strength to just say something to someone, i think you will feel a lot better and you will start your journey. you really will start your journey. and that's what wish journey. and that's what i wish i'd anyway. i'd done anyway. >> think your job, the >> do you think your job, the pressures of being an mp , do you pressures of being an mp, do you think it in any way contributed to the decision you took? >> i think it would be naive not

to say yes, absolutely. the job definitely took its toll. as i said that year , there were said that year, there were a number of threats that had come in which was new to me. and whilst i've become accustomed to that now, sadly at the time it was something that i wasn't really sure how to deal with and how to respond to . but yeah, the how to respond to. but yeah, the job definitely took its toll. it was a shame because i do love doing it. i absolutely love doing it. i absolutely love doing it. i absolutely love doing it and you get to do an experience and meet people in a way that i never thought i'd have the opportunity to. so it's a shame that i lost sight of that at that time, because the job definitely has more good days than bad , and i love doing days than bad, and i love doing it. but at that time i couldn't see the wood from trees. see the wood from the trees. >> and final question i found this totally mesmerising this chat totally mesmerising and so that we're able and i'm so glad that we're able to do it because you are still here as a result of you speaking out, you'll have you'll have had a significant response inside parliament. >> outside parliament is there

is there one, perhaps two things people remarks reach outs that that have stuck with you, that you thought , gosh, that's that's you thought, gosh, that's that's powerful or i didn't expect that person to get in touch . person to get in touch. >> it was overwhelming. the response didn't really know response i didn't really know what to expect, but just the overwhelming response from colleagues, from loved ones, from constituents as well, was just amazing. i absolutely was blown away by it. but there was one example actually, of, a gentleman who called my office who i wasn't there at the time . who i wasn't there at the time. a member of my team picked up the phone and he'd said that he was planning to take his own life. that day. he'd made that decision. he'd been brought to that low point , but decision. he'd been brought to that low point, but he'd decision. he'd been brought to that low point , but he'd seen that low point, but he'd seen that low point, but he'd seen that prime minister's question. he. i'm not quite sure if it popped up he. i'm not quite sure if it popped up on his news feed or how, but he saw it and he decided to start his recovery journey and get in contact with a professional to try and get help and not go ahead with it.

and it just completely blew me away that people would trust me with that story, and to hear other people's stories, either of their own mental health struggles or people they've lost along the way, it's just really was humbling that people felt comfortable sharing that with me, and i sincerely hope it will encourage others to speak out about their own experiences or if they are in that bad place. because, as i said earlier , i because, as i said earlier, i think starting that conversation is of a journey. is the beginning of a journey. it was for me, and i think it can be for other people as well. >> thank you so much for sharing .thank >> thank you so much for sharing . thank you. i think you helped so many people , and i think it's so many people, and i think it's incredibly courageous that you chose prime minister's questions to speak out. elliot colburn thank you. thank you . thank you. thank you. >> very sobering end for you there. and just a reminder that 3 in 4 suicides in the uk are by men. and the highest rate is between the ages of 45 and 64. if you are struggling, there is help out there. the samaritans

are there 24 hours a day on 116123. that's 116123. and you can see gloria's full, very moving interview with elliot on our website. now. now we move on.the our website. now. now we move on. the leader of the lib dems, sir ed davey , has called for sir ed davey, has called for once in a generation election . once in a generation election. he called for transformational transformational change to bring the blue wall tumbling down. he accused labour and the conservatives of tinkering around the edges and trying to cloak themselves in the costume of change, but really trying to keep things the same. he also poked fun at the prime minister over the calling of the election. let's have a listen to that one, shall we? >> now, of course we don't yet know when election day will be. we don't know because it's in the hands of just one man. it's pretty much the only thing left that rishi sunak controls . he that rishi sunak controls. he certainly doesn't control his

party. certainly not his cabinet. certainly not the health care crisis or the economy . economy. >> right, i'm just going to go straight to gb news political correspondent olivia utley to bnng correspondent olivia utley to bring us up to speed on what is happening in lib dem land. olivia, take it away . olivia, take it away. >> well, yeah, i'm here in york for the lib dems annual spring conference. it's basically a sort of jamboree for the members, and the members were certainly enthusiastic certainly very enthusiastic about what's ed davey had to say. leader of the liberal say. the leader of the liberal democrats made repeated comparisons this comparisons between this election and the 1997 election, where he ed davey won his own seat. seems quite interesting. it looks as though the lib dems are looking forward to a land slide, potentially labour government tying in with that. pretty much all of the direct attacks that ed davey made today were at the conservatives, he mentioned by name a whole lot of conservative mps. there are lots of conservative seats which the

lib dems are targeting, including a number of cabinet seats, jeremy hunt's seat, michael gove seat , penny michael gove seat, penny morden's seat. meanwhile, labour got a pretty easy ride from lib dem leader ed davey. are we perhaps gearing up for some sort of pact ? whether it's a whether of pact? whether it's a whether it's an official pact between labour and the lib dems or a bit of tactical voting on the side, either way, it was definitely rishi sunak and his government who ed davey wanted to twist the knife into . knife into. >> olivia, thank you very much there for bringing us up to speed on the lib dem conference this afternoon. now i'm dawn neesom , this is gb news sunday neesom, this is gb news sunday and there's lots more coming up on today's show . and nurse has on today's show. and nurse has claimed that not all people who have babies might call themselves a she or a woman or even mum . so i want to know, even a mum. so i want to know, do you a man can give do you think a man can give birth ? all of that and much more birth? all of that and much more to come. gb news

welcome back to gb news sunday with me. dawn neesom on your telly. online and on digital radio. now brace yourself. people can men give birth? simple question, on an nhs sponsored podcast, a nurse claimed not all people who have babies might call themselves a she or a woman or a mum going on to say while reviewing teenage pregnancy documents, she noticed some of their language was incredibly gendered. so i want to know. it's simple , you know. we've it's simple, you know. we've done.can it's simple, you know. we've done. can men have penises now? okay, can women have penises even, can men give birth, i'm going to come to you, amy, on this one first. this is. i get quite annoyed about this subject because i do believe women's health can suffer because of the confusion about language in healthcare. men can't give birth, can they? >> i will agree with you that

women's health is suffering. and on the whole, maternity services are terrible at the moment, so it's pretty dangerous for anyone to be giving birth. but it is also true that there are some men who choose to have children , men who choose to have children, who choose to get pregnant and have children. there's a man. there's a man called freddy mcconnell, and he made a film called seahorse, which is about his journey as a legal man , his journey as a legal man, having a baby . and i think, you having a baby. and i think, you know, when you when you say the question , can men give birth? of question, can men give birth? of course. it sounds instantly absurd . it does. and i think absurd. it does. and i think it's framed that way, isn't it? it's like the whole old kind of man had a have a penis, and it's designed make sound designed to make you sound silly. this guy have silly. and how did this guy have a these people do . these a baby? these people do. these people very few. this a baby? these people do. these pe how very few. this a baby? these people do. these pehow keir very few. this a baby? these people do. these pe how keir starmery few. this a baby? these people do. these pehow keir starmer gotn. this a baby? these people do. these pe how keir starmer got on'his a baby? these people do. these pehow keir starmer got on all is how keir starmer got on all that. all that trouble, isn't it? because he was like, yeah, by bit, but but but it's by being a bit, but but but it's not true say a man hasn't not true to say a man hasn't given birth because freddy

mcconnell is man by law. mcconnell is a man by law. >> how did he have gave birth? how did he have a baby? did what was implanted into body? was implanted into his body? >> to start with. yeah. so >> woman to start with. yeah. so it's a woman transitioned so according to the 2004 gender recognition act, he's now a legal man. thus, you know , dawn, legal man. thus, you know, dawn, humans are complex. humans are humans are complex. humans are humans are. >> he was a legal man, but not a biological man. is that right? >> i mean, he had transitioned and he had transitioned so biological male. >> and there are a lot of people to be a woman and gay birth. yes there are. >> he wasn't a biological man. >> he wasn't a biological man. >> not a lot. there's actually not because there's a vanishingly small number of men who have children, who who choose to have children, who choose to use their reproductive organs kept organs that they, they have kept are post—transition on to give birth. >> yeah. but biologically , a man >> yeah. but biologically, a man can't give birth, can he? i mean , is that the question? well, the question is straightforward. can men give birth? well, and a biological man can't give birth unless s he goes to some clinic

in switzerland and they reconstruct his body. >> but you know that, that example i give of freddy mcconnell in every respect. he's a man, right? he's transitioned. he's transitioned to a man . the he's transitioned to a man. the law recognises him as a man and so but not biologically. >> there's a huge biological. >> there's a huge biological. >> he's trans. he's a transgender man , right. transgender man, right. >> biologically, he's a man who has trans who's a transgender man. >> so. so if we wanted to complete the sentence, transgender men can give my issue with this, right? >> okay. this is where it gets confusing because freddy and i've with freddy and he's i've worked with freddy and he's a person. okay was a lovely person. okay but was born transitioned to born female, transitioned to become . now we're getting become a man. now we're getting confused about who's transitioning and you transitioning where and what you call . now imagine was call them. now imagine i was saying earlier live in saying earlier on, i live in tower hamlets and a lot the tower hamlets and a lot of the healthcare notes there are written be gender neutral. written to be gender neutral. there's a lot women in my there's a lot of women in my area don't have english as area who don't have english as a first language. it's confusing for us. this is my issue with

this. i think women's health care is suffering because we are afraid to use the word woman . afraid to use the word woman. >> i saw a great interview this weekend. i can't remember which colour magazine it was in, but it was sharon davis, the swimmer who has campaigned endlessly to try and stop biological men entering women's world of sport. >> okay, she's she's campaigned to erase trans rights and to prevent trans women from partaking. >> i don't believe so. i think she's tried to protect women only spaces from from men. i mean, look, she she's she's got a point because she could have been an even greater olympian had she not been beaten by somebody who, to this day, she believes was not fully a woman that she was racing against. but the point is, she interviewed caitlyn jenner and i think caitlyn jenner and i think caitlyn jenner and i think caitlyn jenner is one of the most sensible voices on the planet about the trans issue, because she's very famous. she's not at all militant about it. she tells it as it is, and she does say a trans woman is not a

man . sorry, a trans man is not a man. sorry, a trans man is not a woman. and it will get complicated. >> you already get mixed up. >> you already get mixed up. >> no, but she's says, >> no, but she's she says, a trans. i read the interview . trans. i read the interview. it's interesting. a trans it's very interesting. a trans man be a woman. if man cannot be a woman. now, if she it, i think that she says it, i think that absolutely defines it. and instead of anybody, you know, wanting accept that they go wanting to accept that they go off into literally reams and reams and reams of cross talk and this and that . and this and that. >> some of the arguments that you put in jenner, like freddy mcconnell's passport, says male on it. and that's that's all that's as simple as it is to me that's as simple as it is to me that person, law, the that that person, the law, the country , every experience that country, every experience that he has in this world is male . he has in this world is male. and he also had a baby. yeah. but any and that's anybody who wants to. and at the time he did get he said he fell out with i think it was one of his parents because they said but surely this feminine, this is the most feminine, womanly can do have this is the most feminine, wbabyly can do have this is the most feminine, wbaby .' can do have this is the most feminine, wbaby . so can do have this is the most feminine, wbaby . so they can do have this is the most feminine, wbaby . so they feltan do have this is the most feminine, wbaby . so they felt likeo have this is the most feminine, wbaby . so they felt like it have this is the most feminine, wbaby . so they felt like it was|ve a baby. so they felt like it was at odds. the masculinity and it actually completely fractured that relationship. and he said

the desire to be a parent is completely separate to your innate gender that you feel in your identity that is so immutable and something that you just cannot change. and his desire to be a parent put that, put that they were separate. >> amy, where do you stand? >> amy, where do you stand? >> you know, even he's admitting that it's quite confusing concept. >> but where do you for stand instance, the women's instance, on the women's changing you know, changing room issue, you know, should to talk about should i just want to talk about this because i saw article this because i saw an article i had kept in my under—stairs, i kept newspaper from 2001. kept a newspaper from 2001. >> right. and it was something that i cut out and on the other side it was from the sun. and this was 2001, and it said lesbian couple have baby. this is mad and outrageous and impossible . and it was all the impossible. and it was all the things we say at the moment about trans men giving birth. and i thought, this is what it is. we're just taking a while to catch up and really in in 2001, you imagine, oh, we've always been progressive about same sex couples. we really weren't. we really weren't . and the rhetoric

really weren't. and the rhetoric around trans people now is similar to that around same sex parents in the noughties. >> i don't agree with that. i think there's a huge amount of acceptance and understanding tolerance, but i just can't . tolerance, but i just can't. when somebody asks me a question, can men give birth? i can't say how anybody can possibly answer in the affirmative. >> it seems counterintuitive . >> it seems counterintuitive. >> it seems counterintuitive. >> that's why we have to go to the news. but what do you think? do you think a man can have a baby biologically give birth to a i'm dawn a baby, a man? i'm dawn neesom. this is gb news sunday, and there's lots more coming up on today's but first, here's today's show. but first, here's the news headlines tatiana . the news headlines with tatiana. >> dawn. thank you. the top stories from the gb newsroom. transport secretary mark harper says rishi sunak will lead the tories into the next election . tories into the next election. it comes after senior tories were reported to have attempted to downplay claims of a conservative plot to replace the prime minister with penny mordaunt. the move would mean a

fourth leader of the party in just five years, mr harper says that, unlike labour, the conservatives have a plan on delivering for the country. the ministry defence says grant ministry of defence says grant shapps was forced to abandon a trip to southern ukraine last week for security reasons. british intelligence warned of a credible missile threat from russia, saying the kremlin had got wind of his visit, according to the sunday times. mr shapps was due to travel to odesa a day after a missile hit the city, while the ukrainian president and greek prime minister and the greek prime minister were visiting. five people were killed the explosions, killed in the explosions, according to ukrainian authorities . the widow of authorities. the widow of russian opposition leader alexei navalny was cheered by voters outside the russian embassy in berlin . yulia navalnaya was berlin. yulia navalnaya was protesting on the final day of voting for the country's next president, vladimir putin, who's beenin president, vladimir putin, who's been in power since 1999, is expected to win another six year tum with a landslide victory. the election comes just over two years since russia's invasion of

ukraine began. work on the m25 in surrey is on schedule to reopen for monday rush hour. national highways says good progress is being made after the unprecedented closure . motorists unprecedented closure. motorists reported miles of tailbacks yesterday on the approach to the five mile closure between junctions ten and 11 in surrey and steve harley, best known as the front man of british rock band cockney rebel, has died at the age of 73. come up and see me to make me smile. the age of 73. come up and see me to make me smile . the band me to make me smile. the band enjoyed success in 1975 with the number one hit make me smile . number one hit make me smile. steve harley had still been touring until recently, but cancelled dates to have treatment for cancer. his daughter greta says he died peacefully with his family by his side . for peacefully with his family by his side. for the peacefully with his family by his side . for the latest his side. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr code on your screen. or you can go to gp news.com kaja kallas. now back to dawn .

now back to dawn. >> thank you very much, tatiana. there's plenty more coming up on today's show. but before i tell you what we've got lined up for you what we've got lined up for you . nana akua show is you what we've got lined up for you. nana akua show is on you what we've got lined up for you . nana akua show is on later, you. nana akua show is on later, around 3:00. she joins us now. nana. what's coming up on your show today? thank you. >> dawn, everyone's in green. of course. happy saint patrick's day. first hour, day. yeah. so in the first hour, we'll the clash. we've got we'll have the clash. we've got quite few different quite a few different debates, obviously about the quite a few different debates, obvio issue about the quite a few different debates, obvio issue because, out the quite a few different debates, obvio issue because, you he quite a few different debates, obvioissue because, you know, trans issue because, you know, this doesn't like it's this doesn't look like it's going and think a lot of going away. and i think a lot of people to have logic people seem to have lost logic sense and reality. sense of logic and reality. we're have catch we're going to have a catch up with olivia liberal with olivia at the liberal democrat conference. have democrat conference. and i have an amazing mystery guest. i can't give you too many clues , can't give you too many clues, but he has reignited his career after a serious relationship break up and he'll be my 5:00 mystery guest. i'll bet you're wondering who he is. so stay tuned. >> sounds a cracker. thank you so much , nana. and remember, you so much, nana. and remember, you can get in touch about all the topics we've been discussing today on gb views at

today by emailing on gb views at gb news. com or messaging on our socials at gb news. lots more coming up on today's show. happy saint patrick's day, everybody! as you've noticed, we're all wearing green, here, up and down ireland people are celebrating the national holiday and even more after they won the six nafions more after they won the six nations last night. congratulations all of that and much more to come. i'm dawn neesom and you're gb news, neesom and you're with gb news, britain's channel

welcome back to gb news sunday with me. dawn neesom on your telly. online and on digital radio. happy saint patrick's day, everyone wearing green . my everyone wearing green. my surname is neesom. i. you know, there's a link there somewhere, isn't there? today is the day for parade. irish music and plenty of guinness. up and down ireland people will be celebrating the national holiday and after they won the and even more after they won the six nations last night.

congratulations. cross congratulations. so let's cross the live to gb. news northern ireland reporter, dougie beattie, in belfast ? beattie, who is in belfast? >> dougie, dougie, where's your hat gone? >> you had a hat on earlier. yes it's here, it's here. we'll put the hat on top, boy. put it on. there we go . is that. that looks there we go. is that. that looks better, doesn't it? marvellous yes, you can see behind us here. actually, the, parade is arriving back into belfast and it has done a full circuit of the city, and it comes back in and there are thousands of people gathered here to have a look at what is going on here. and these are all community groups, circus acts. and, basically football teams. everybody else has decided that they're going to put floats together and get involved in the parade. i'm sorry, i, i'm find it hard to hear you, but it is it hard to hear you, but it is it is quite the day and it is quite the weekend for ireland

nonh quite the weekend for ireland north and south because as you say, the rugby and dance and patrick's. but don't forget, we had some success in the cheltenham gold cup. and then of course we have a bank holiday tomorrow which will keep everything going even further. and it will be hangover tuesday . and it will be hangover tuesday. >> dougie, good luck with that hangover my lovely. but i think you need to keep the hat on for the rest of the day. enjoy yourself and try not to drink too much, man. okay? thank too much, young man. okay? thank you. dougie. that's dougie in northern ireland, enjoying saint patrick's . now, mike, you patrick's day. now, mike, you were telling me very were telling me a very interesting about your interesting story about your experiences with the nectar of the irish gods. >> well, it's guinness, isn't it? and saint patrick's day always used to fall in the middle of cheltenham week. and i went to cheltenham for 20 years. okay. five years i held okay. and for five years i held the the first the record of having the first pint of the meeting the record of having the first pinthe of the meeting the record of having the first pinthe tuesday of the meeting the record of having the first pinthe tuesday morning,neeting the record of having the first pinthe tuesday morning, 10:01,g on the tuesday morning, 10:01, as guinness opened , as the guinness village opened, i'd get in there and i had my picture taken, taking the first pint, and sometimes that would go to about 12 on the

go up to about 12 pints on the opening of pints time . yeah, opening day of pints time. yeah, yeah, but it's the only time i ever drink it. i never drink it anywhere else. it it just seems to taste good on saint patrick's day in the guinness tent. but anywhere else, if i take it i don't like it, i'd have to spit it out. the other thing i want to say about that is how much do you envy the irish to celebrate their national so their national day? so wonderfully, beautifully, wonderfully, so beautifully, so enthusiastically when in this country, my country, england, nobody even knows when saint george's day is. and if we all went around celebrating , we'd went around celebrating, we'd all be called colonialists and little englanders just for celebrating our national day. the irish aren't ashamed to do it, and we shouldn't be ashamed here in england. so let's have let's have a celebration next yeah >> sorry. your maypole . do a bit >> sorry. your maypole. do a bit of morris dance. >> all on my own. all on my own? i don't think so. >> local democracy. see how popular i'm singing? >> okay. amy's. you're like a pint of guinness, well, i remember when i was pregnant, my nan, who's since departed , used

nan, who's since departed, used to tell me that guinness was good for. full of iron. no, full of iron, full of iron. yeah. she's encouraged me to drink guinness. that's only guinness. that's my only, only anecdote about guinness. but i do anecdote about saint do have an anecdote about saint patrick's good. when patrick's day. good. so when i come on this channel, a lot of people say, well, the odd person on social media will say, oh, why do you always try and disagree everything? disagree with everything? and i think think, oh, she's think they think, oh, she's wearing blue. even wearing blue. she can't even join saint patrick's wearing blue. she can't even join and saint patrick's wearing blue. she can't even join and green. patrick's wearing blue. she can't even join and green. however, did day and wear green. however, did you this that saint patrick you know this that saint patrick himself actually originally wore blue? but then the day became associated with green because they called it the emerald isle. and it was known for like the green rolling hills. but the original saint patrick himself wore blue. >> yeah. is that right? well, i used to live in new york. i mean, saint patrick's day parades there. and so i were ten times what you've just seen in belfast dublin. oh, they belfast and dublin. oh, they love but if you if you had love it. but if you if you had the not to walk around the audacity not to walk around in in manhattan on saint in green in manhattan on saint patrick's you were patrick's day, you were threatened badly. you know what's buddy? i'm what's wrong here, buddy? i'm irish, but they didn't know

where belfast was in relation to dublin, you know what i mean? isn't that they were irish. >> isn't. biden well . oh >> isn't. biden does as well. oh yeah, irish. yeah, i'm irish. >> i'm irish. yeah most >> yeah i'm irish. yeah most people you know, point >> yeah i'm irish. yeah most peityle you know, point >> yeah i'm irish. yeah most pe it on you know, point >> yeah i'm irish. yeah most pe it on the you know, point >> yeah i'm irish. yeah most pe it on the map./ou know, point >> yeah i'm irish. yeah most pe it on the map. to know, point >> yeah i'm irish. yeah most pe it on the map. to be ow, point >> yeah i'm irish. yeah most pe it on the map. to be honest,|t to it on the map. to be honest, i'm wearing green not wearing blue i that blue because i got that one wrong. >> probably p-n em probably >> but amy probably got, i don't know, knickers on or know, green knickers on or something . i'm dawn neesom dawn something. i'm dawn neesom dawn neesom. news a&e. and neesom. this is gb news a&e. and there's more coming on there's lots more coming up on today's show. special today's show. a special exhibition at the v&a about punch and judy has described margaret thatcher as a villain, piling her in with adolf hitler and osama bin laden. yeah you might not agree with their politics, but i mean, is maggie thatcher really that much of a villain? all of that and much more to come. this is

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digital radio. now, loads of you have been getting in touch, so we haven't had time to go through. i've got such a brilliant panel with me today that through the that getting through all the emails as well, but brilliant panels you're panels coming in. hope you're having good saint having a really good hour. saint patrick's back to our patrick's day going back to our earlier about earlier debate about conscription and should young people go and people be willing to go and serve the country, especially with the threat from russia coming up, and ursula. good afternoon. ursula says those afternoon. ursula says get those young benefits who won't who young on benefits who won't who won't work to national won't work to do national service. so basically, lazy scroungers go and do national service , and david, i love this service, and david, i love this one. david. very funny , david one. david. very funny, david says you would never get our young generation for conscription . they would rather conscription. they would rather join love island and mark says it's crucial that conscripted soldiers are trained separately from regulars. this is imperative. it also stops the argument that many people have against conscription . and against conscription. and meanwhile, there was one on social media especially for you , social media especially for you, amy. oh, yeah. this is from anna. and anna says a biological man can never be a woman. by

definition, when a woman is an aduu definition, when a woman is an adult female, there's only one sex can give birth, and sex that can give birth, and that's a biological woman. sex that can give birth, and tha is a biological woman. sex that can give birth, and tha is thatological woman. sex that can give birth, and tha is that helenil woman. sex that can give birth, and tha is that helen joyce|an. sex that can give birth, and tha is that helen joyce texting >> is that helen joyce texting in? sounds just like sex m atters? matters? >> no, no no, no , it's a lady >> no, no no, no, it's a lady called anna. so thank you for all your messages, do keep them coming up now. my favourite story of the day was margaret thatcher a villain? now bear with me. a special exhibition at the v&a on british humour, discussing punch and judy puppets and keep up, said the following. over the years, the evil character in the seaside puppet show has shifted from the devil to unpopular public figures including adolf hitler, osama bin laden and margaret thatcher, to offer contemporary villains, they say. but is it fair to poll margaret thatcher no matter what you thought of her politics? okay with hitler a genocidal maniac, and osama bin laden probably one of the worst

terrorists we've ever had, what do you make of this, amy? i mean, i mean, you could disagree with her politics all you like, but i mean, to put her up there with hitler. >> yeah, probably >> well, yeah, i probably that is bit far. however it is a little bit far. however it evil, there's always a button, there's always a but i kind of want to see where the. i always want to see where the. i always want to see where the. i always want to see where people are coming from, you know. right yeah. depends where yeah. i think it depends where you're it? you're sitting, doesn't it? because if you're a miner that lost lost their lost their job, lost their livelihood, everything. livelihood, lost everything. yeah. think you probably yeah. i think you probably would regard thatcher as evil regard margaret thatcher as evil if you were a young gay teenager growing up under section 28. yeah, you probably would think margaret thatcher was evil. there are plenty of pockets of society where she did untold damage. and i think it's probably justified for those people to hold rather margaret thatcher rather large grudges to hitler. >> not comparable, but as a villain, as a contempt. >> they they listed her as a contemporary villain. and i think in a lot of minds and in a lot of parts of the country, she

certainly is regarded as a villain. >> mike up there with osama bin laden, i think it's an absolute disgrace. >> honestly , you know, to >> honestly, you know, to compare mrs. thatcher to those sort of it wasn't a comparison. it what she was included in their company and that is an utter disgrace. the sheer evilness of the people mentioned and we've whitewashed history because amy said, if you're a miner now , harold wilson, in his miner now, harold wilson, in his two governments in the 70s, closed down twice as many coal pits as mrs. thatcher did . mrs. pits as mrs. thatcher did. mrs. thatcher was only continuing the work of jim callaghan and harold wilson. arthur scargill decided to try and bring the government down by ridiculously striking in spring, when coal stocks were very high, and that caused the eventual closure of the coal industry, not mrs. thatcher. she wanted to compromise and say, look, we've got to go on with the closures that the labour government started. government have started. no, scargill it . as scargill wasn't having it. as a result, he smashed the coal industry. it became non—productive and he closed it

down. isn't it odd, amy? down. but now isn't it odd, amy? sorry, just let me finish. it's an odd at a museum called the victoria and albert. victoria, named after queen victoria , named after queen victoria, probably the greatest living woman politic or monarch we've ever had. should be associated with this disgusting barb against mrs. thatcher, who frankly, saved this country from bankruptcy when jim callaghan left power, the country was going down the tubes and we would have become what greece became ten years later. >> i think when people remember margaret thatcher, they think of deindustrialisation, privatisation , which perhaps in privatisation, which perhaps in the short tum did save the country from bankruptcy, as you say, however, set in motion this whole policy structure of neoliberal economics , which neoliberal economics, which doesn't invest in public services and it stagnates economic growth. so i think a lot of people would regard her legacy as what we're seeing today in the fact that everything is absolutely stripped to the bone .

stripped to the bone. >> we have turned us into one of the countries in the world. >> but but that are you talking aboutin >> but but that are you talking about in terms of i'm talking about in terms of i'm talking about wealth, in national wealth. we became at what cost, the fifth biggest country in the world, at cost. world, at no cost. >> more people were but >> more people were working, but more were prosperous. more people were prosperous. more homes , more people own their homes, more people shares. we were more people own shares. we were a very prosperous country , a very, very prosperous country, an example of the home ownership. >> so that's correct . she >> so that's correct. she introduced right to buy. you buy your council house. however, because that stock was never replaced . and now there are less replaced. and now there are less and less and fewer and fewer council houses . council houses. >> i totally agree with you. >> i totally agree with you. >> councils can't generate. >> councils can't generate. >> i totally agree. and successive governments private landlords. >> this privatisation may on >> so this privatisation may on paper look good for the. >> and tony blair had 13 years to start a house building programme to replace those houses, which he approved of because labour didn't suddenly come in and say it's wrong to sell the council houses, but they had 13 years to replace the housing stock and they did nothing housing stock and they did not well, would you >> well, maybe. would you put him list?

him on the list? >> oh, of course >> what? oh, of course i wouldn't. >> i wouldn't compare anybody with and it's a list of with hitler and it's a list of contemporary villains. >> people regard >> and a lot of people regard tony as a villain for tony blair as a villain for reasons i would. don't reasons that i would. i don't think a villain . and think hitler was a villain. and a of people regard margaret a lot of people regard margaret thatcher do share. >> hitler was a genocidal maniac who to one third who tried to wipe out one third of because he didn't of the world because he didn't like wasn't a villain. like them. he wasn't a villain. a villain is somebody is a villain is somebody who is perhaps, know, little bit perhaps, you know, a little bit controversial wicked. controversial and wicked. >> actually, he's the >> so actually, maybe he's the one off, off not in the one that's off, off not in the right place on list. right place on this list. >> mrs. thatcher is in the >> no, mrs. thatcher is in the wrong should wrong place. and hitler should be the, be rightly condemned for the, you know, probably one of the worst people in history . worst people in history. >> they did. also, the v&a might have had a bit of woke history going back on this one because it also in mind it's a it it also bear in mind it's a fashion well. did fashion museum as well. they did actually her clothing actually turn down her clothing collection 2015. yeah, collection in 2015. yeah, absolutely. didn't absolutely. because they didn't consider her important enough. >> accused of refusing to exhibit items from the wardrobe of thatcher as the first of mrs. thatcher as the first female prime minister, not as margaret thatcher, but as the first female prime minister. and

they turned him down. >> well, unfortunately, that's just nasty. we've run out just nasty. sorry. we've run out of section 28 was nasty. >> yeah, i think come on. >> yeah, i think come on. >> right. okay. i'm dawn neesom. this is gb news sunday. these two have been absolutely brilliant. don't anywhere brilliant. but don't go anywhere because more because there's plenty more coming gb today. coming up on gb news today. in just moment. fiery debate just a moment. it's fiery debate with nana akua. and at 6 pm. it's neil oliver with free speech nation seven and mark speech nation at seven and mark dolan at nine as well. thank you so forjoining me this so much for joining me this afternoon . really appreciate afternoon. really appreciate your it's wonderful your time. it's been wonderful having don't having your company don't get anywhere . nana next. anywhere. nana is up next. before nana, let's have before we go to nana, let's have a look what weather's a look at what the weather's doing you. enjoy the rest of doing for you. enjoy the rest of your . your day. >> looks things are heating >> looks like things are heating up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. well, for the week ahead it's remaining changeable across the board for most of the week. it will be fairly mild, but towards the end of the week into the weekend it

does look like it will turn briefly colder . so for the rest briefly colder. so for the rest of sunday still got low pressure. generally in charge across the but any across the country, but any showers generally fizzling out as the evening goes on, so some fairly clear skies developing across england and wales. but it doesn't last long in the west. another band of cloud and rain beginning to work its way into. by beginning to work its way into. by the end of the night, clear skies out towards the east and maybe across northern ireland. and us it is going to and for all of us it is going to be a mild one, temperatures not falling than 5 to 7 falling much lower than 5 to 7 degrees. into monday morning, degrees. so into monday morning, a bright start in the east, but the cloud and rain across central parts will move its way eastwards day goes on eastwards as the day goes on behind it. some drier and brighter weather for a time . brighter weather for a time. this transfers towards the east into the afternoon and that allows another band of cloud and rain its way in. from rain to work its way in. from the west. so quite a wet end to the west. so quite a wet end to the day for northern ireland, but another mild day. but for many another mild day. temperatures 17 degrees in temperatures up to 17 degrees in the southeast. tuesday for a lot of us, it's going to be a rather

cloudy picture. outbreaks of rain moving their way south eastwards. it does brighten up later on in the day across northern ireland and scotland, but middle of the but on the whole middle of the week remaining unsettled. but for of us, temperatures for all of us, temperatures staying on the mild side the staying on the mild side for the time year . time of year. >> that warm feeling inside from boxt boiler as sponsors of weather on

gb news. >> good afternoon. hello and welcome to gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua and for the next few hours, me and my panel will be taking on some of the big topics hitting the headlines right now. this show is all about opinion. it's mine. it's this. and of course it's yours. we'll be debating, discussing and at times but no times we will disagree. but no one will be cancelled. so joining in the next hour, joining me in the next hour, broadcaster and journalist danny

kelly and also broadcaster and author christine hamilton. in a few moments time, we'll be going head to head in the clash with the director of climate media coalition, donal mccarthy, and also the reform uk deputy leader ben habib . but before we get ben habib. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines. >> nana, thank you and good afternoon. the top stories from the gb newsroom. transport secretary mark harper says rishi sunak will lead the tories into the next election. it comes after senior tories were reported to have attempted to downplay claims of a conservative plot to replace the prime minister with penny mordaunt. the move would mean a fourth leader of the party in just five years. mr harper says that, unlike labour, the conservatives have a plan on delivering for the country . delivering for the country. >> we've got to show them by the time of the election two things we've got to show them that we've got to show them that

we've got to show them that we've got a plan. the