christine hamilton. in a author christine hamilton. in a few moments time, we'll be going head to head in the clash with the director of climate media coalition, donal mccarthy, and also the reform uk deputy leader ben habib . but before we get ben habib. but before we get started, let's get your latest news headlines. >> nana, thank you and good afternoon. the top stories from the gb newsroom. transport secretary mark harper says rishi sunak will lead the tories into the next election. it comes after senior tories were reported to have attempted to downplay claims of a conservative plot to replace the prime minister with penny mordaunt. the move would mean a fourth leader of the party in just five years. mr harper says that, unlike labour, the conservatives have a plan on delivering for the country . delivering for the country. >> we've got to show them by the time of the election two things we've got to show them that we've got to show them that we've got to show them that we've got a plan. the plan is

working and it's delivering for them, and i think can see them, and i think we can see that on inflation and on that it is on inflation and on taxes. we've also then got to show them that the labour party doesn't have plan and will be doesn't have a plan and will be a big risk. for example, we know the party wants to spend the labour party wants to spend £28 billion green plan . £28 billion on their green plan. they've hidden the price tag now, but they don't know how to pay now, but they don't know how to pay for it. that would mean taxes going up. >> but shadow paymaster general jonathan ashworth told gb news the government's priorities are all wrong. >> rishi sunak he's not acting in the national interest. it's reckless, it's irresponsible, he should name the day of a general election and stabilise matters . election and stabilise matters. at the moment, he's more preoccupied with his own leadership and saving his own skin than governing in the national interest. and i think after 14 years, this is a pretty discredited government. he needs to name the day. i mean , but if to name the day. i mean, but if he doesn't name the date soon, we could have a leadership election soon. >> speaking at liberal >> well, speaking at the liberal democrats spring conference

today, leader sir ed davey accused prime minister of accused the prime minister of giving up. >> who knows, maybe despite what he says, rishi will call the election tomorrow or next week. i certainly hope so . the country i certainly hope so. the country can't wait a moment longer to see the back of this terrible government . government. >> the ministry of defence says grant shapps was forced to abandon a trip to southern ukraine last week for security reasons . british intelligence reasons. british intelligence warned of a credible missile threat from russia , saying the threat from russia, saying the kremlin had got wind of his visit, according to the sunday times, mr shapps was due to travel to odesa a day after a missile hit the city, while the ukrainian president and the greek prime minister were visiting. were visiting. five people were killed explosions , killed in the explosions, according to ukrainian authorities . meanwhile, the authorities. meanwhile, the latvian prime minister has told the sunday telegraph that britain should consider conscription as and a total defence model to deter russian aggression . latvia reintroduced aggression. latvia reintroduced the model last year with all able bodied men required to

complete 11 months of military service . however, in january, service. however, in january, the uk armed forces minister, james heappey, said any talk of the uk introducing conscription to the army of nato goes to war with russia was nonsense . that with russia was nonsense. that as the russian president is tightening his grip on power in a russian election, despite thousands of opponents staging a noon protest at polling stations, the widow of russian opposition leader alexei navalny was among those protesting , was among those protesting, including outside the russian embassy in berlin, about 74 protesters have been arrested in russian cities on the final day of voting. today, the election comes just over two years since russia's invasion of ukraine. work on the m25 in surrey is on schedule to reopen for monday. rush hour. national highway says good progress is being made after the unprecedented closure. motorists reported miles of tailbacks yesterday on the approach to the five mile closure between junctions ten

and 11. a volcano in iceland has erupted for a fourth time in just three months. previous eruptions destroyed roads and forced towns to evacuate fountains of molten rock soared into the night sky from fissures into the night sky from fissures in the ground . authorities had in the ground. authorities had warned for weeks that an eruption was imminent . just eruption was imminent. just south of iceland's capital, reykjavik , and steve harley, reykjavik, and steve harley, best known as the front man of british rock band cockney rebel, has died at the age of 73. come up and see me to make me smile. the band enjoyed success in 1975 with the number one hit make me smile . steve harley had still smile. steve harley had still been touring until recently , but been touring until recently, but had to cancel dates to have treatment for cancer. his daughter greta says he died peacefully with his family by his side . for peacefully with his family by his side. for the peacefully with his family by his side . for the latest his side. for the latest stories, you can sign up to gb news alerts by scanning the qr

code on your screen or go to gb news. com slash alerts. now back to . nana. to. nana. >> thank you. tatiana. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, onune akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. okay. this is getting beyond ridiculous. trans women, which as we know are biological males, are apparently now going to be included as women in a push to get more female chief executives into the ftse 100 by it next year. now, the campaign, called 25 by 25, is an initiative headed by chief executive tara camlin jones, whose mission is to get 25 female chief executives running blue chip companies by 2025. and it's backed by major companies including unilever, natwest and bp . you couldn't make this up, bp. you couldn't make this up, tara said. anyone who identifies as a woman is a woman , though

as a woman is a woman, though she stressed that 25 by 25 were not an authority on the subject, she said our focus is on succession and talent planning, using gender broadly as an indicator to suggest anything else would be very misleading or misleading. that is misleading. what's the point.7 seriously, if anyone can say that they're a woman, then why bother with this at all.7 it woman, then why bother with this at all? it just makes a mockery of the whole thing. the figures will simply be nonsense . this will simply be nonsense. this will simply be nonsense. this will obviously skew the information defeats the information and defeats the object of the goal itself. and also, will the trans woman have also, will the trans woman have a salary of a man or a woman? as we know, there are still major gender pay gap inequalities and it will be a complete misrepresentation of women and on boards of pay and average salaries will the trans woman accept a pay cut? of course not. they'll simply have the benefits of a male. but take but take up the space of a female. it's absurd. only last month, tory mps accused the financial

services watchdog, the fca, of putting women's rights at risk by encouraging banks to collect staff data based on self—identified gender rather than biological sex. of course, it was met with resistance from some 40 mps and peers who wrote to the chancellor to argue that the fca was taking an activist approach to its diversity policies . but this approach to its diversity policies. but this is everywhere. this morning i read about a school, a health nurse who claimed that not all people who claimed that not all people who have babies might call themselves a she or a woman or a mum. really? what do they call themselves ? she was walking themselves? she was walking through school. she was. she said that walking through a school in a skirt and letting your hair grow, when actually people previously knew you as a boy, well, that's incredibly brave. that's what she said. but i think an element of i think there's an element of attention i'm attention seeking, if i'm totally worry is totally honest. but the worry is it a path of it could lead to a path of medical transition where most people through puberty are people going through puberty are struggling gender struggling with their gender identity in any case, now, the podcast this lady said this podcast that this lady said this on is aimed at school nurses and a series is run by the digital

health foundation. i've got to say, thank god for the likes of liz truss and katy kemi badenoch, who fighting to badenoch, who are fighting to protect biological women from this truss has this madness. liz truss has tabled a bill which would have banned puberty blockers, protected single—sex spaces and prevented helping protected single—sex spaces and p|child ed helping protected single—sex spaces and p|child to helping protected single—sex spaces and p|child to change helping protected single—sex spaces and p|child to change a helping protected single—sex spaces and p|child to change a gender. ping a child to change a gender. biology trumps ideology and it's time to take a stand. a man can never be a woman and a woman can never be a woman and a woman can never be a woman and a woman can never be man . right. so before never be a man. right. so before we get stuck into the debates over the next hour, let me introduce you to my clashes. joining me today, director of climate media and coalition, donna mccarthy . and also reform donna mccarthy. and also reform uk deputy ben habib. uk deputy leader ben habib. they'll be going head to head in just a moment. coming up, could a change of leaders stop the tories suffering a wipe—out at the election? conservative mps are plotting to are reportedly plotting to replace rishi sunak with penny mordaunt. if they're successful, she be the fourth leader. she would be the fourth leader. or is it the fifth? i don't

know, the fourth. in the fifth or the fourth or the fifth? the fourth five and lib fourth in five years and the lib dems that they're the only dems say that they're the only party so dems say that they're the only pa|davey so dems say that they're the only pa|davey spoke so dems say that they're the only pa|davey spoke at so dems say that they're the only pa|davey spoke at the so dems say that they're the only pa|davey spoke at the spring ed davey spoke at the spring conference this morning, calling for change, for transformational change, whatever urging whatever that means. and urging the prime minister to call an election. now do you agree? then a key nato ally has said that britain should consider bringing back conscription into the military to deter russian aggression and the golden chippy in greenwich has been asked to remove their mural depicting the union flag being held by a fish. more on that later in the show. a flag held by a fish , a fish a flag held by a fish, a fish flag. well, that's coming up in the next hour. tell me what you think on everything we're discussing. email gb views gb news. or tweet me at . gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. com or tweet me at. gb news. right. i'm joined now by my classes director of climate media coalition, michael mccarthy, and also former reform uk deputy leader ben habib.

right. so i'm going to start with you, ben habib. good to see you again. good to see you. >> good afternoon. >> good afternoon. >> what do you make of a lot of this, this trans stuff that is going down in in particular the ftse 100, looking to actually label 25 the top 25 women but include men in that. >> so the, the fca, the financial conduct authority's promotion of trans ideology is alongside the promotion of lots of minority rights and it and it's embedded in our regulatory and legal framework now through the environmental, social and governance obligations that companies, institutions, education establishment, the armed forces, our police forces, every single entity in this country is required to promote this sort of ideology through diversity , equality and diversity, equality and inclusion, which is the social aspect of environmental social governance, which you know, as i say, is part of our regulatory framework. >> so this is not some kind of social fad that's just grown up

over the last few years, this has been put into place through government regulations and legislation . and for liz truss legislation. and for liz truss to want new legislation to ban the opera. as admirable as her aim is, does stop, you know, transformational, operations taking place. actually, what we needin taking place. actually, what we need in this country is the repealing of lots of legislation that's gone into place already to create this environment . to create this environment. right. and of course, what you want in the ftse 100 boardrooms are the best directors fulfilled those jobs so that we have the most efficient, most profitable companies in the united kingdom. so we have prosperity across the board. and similarly with the armed forces, you want the best jet fighter pilots, the best, navigators, the best. you know, gun shooters . and what we've got gun shooters. and what we've got to step away from is the promotion of people based on their physical characteristics

or their own self—identification at the cost of them doing their jobs properly . we're in jobs properly. we're in a country at the moment which is facing economic disaster, national debt at a post—world war two, high taxation at a post—world war two, high spending out of control by the government. and what are we focusing on this kind of nonsense. >> we haven't got time for this, have we? we haven't be focusing on the best and the most brilliant minds. >> should >> that's what we should be doing. >> things we need. but the >> things that we need. but the fact the do you think fact that the what do you think of the that they're almost of the fact that they're almost trying mask fact that trying to mask the fact that somebody man, and to somebody is not a man, and to put in list the top 25 put them in a list of the top 25 to achieve a goal? i know, i mean, i mean, it's daft as brushes, mean, i mean, it's daft as bru it's;, undermine of common >> it's the undermine of common sense society. man sense in society. a man self—identifies as a woman and therefore gets a job on the bafis therefore gets a job on the basis that he's coming from a minority interest group . the 7 77 -—— t thing is just 1 thing is just absurd. whole thing is just absurd. >> well, let's see what donald has to say . >> well, let's see what donald has to say. danica >> well, let's see what donald has to say . danica mccarthy. has to say. danica mccarthy. >> now, i wouldn't whole >> now, i wouldn't say the whole thing i think you thing is absurd. i think you have remember where came have to remember where this came

from. i was just chatting to ben before we came on. i grew up in ireland in the in the 60s and 70s. >> i was a gay person. >> i was a gay person. >> saint patrick's >> happy saint patrick's day. >> happy saint patrick's day. >> where's your green? i'm not wearing green. >> where's your green? i'm not weiyou green. >> where's your green? i'm not weiyou and an. >> where's your green? i'm not weiyou and i]. >> where's your green? i'm not weiyou and i grew up in >> you and i grew up in a society that was a life imprisonment with hard labour. >> if you're having sex with your partner . your partner. >> and also, i had some friends personally murdered in gay gay bashing careers. >> so for me, we, we struggled hard to, to get freedom and to get fairness and to actually my friends were being fired because they were gay. >> so ben's quite right. we should be getting the best people the best jobs. but people for the best jobs. but because our inherited because of our inherited discrimination, and discrimination, often women and gay people and trans people are excluded from the best jobs because the old boys club excluded them and it excluded the talent. >> what we need is a happy medium where we actually allow the talent from everybody in. but don't % don't promote people but don't% don't promote people just because they have to come from a protected background. >> but but what do you make of the top 25 in the ftse women in

the top 25 in the ftse women in the ftse 100 companies, including men. so people who are trans women, but they are males. i mean, this is what i'm talking about because as you said, you have you've pointed towards the fact that, yes , there seems to fact that, yes, there seems to be an old boys club and it's only the men that seem to get in but isn't this just simply extending some form of extension of club will of the old boys club which will actually women out? actually push women out? >> wouldn't want to >> i certainly wouldn't want to see excluding see the definition excluding women the percentage. women from from the percentage. >> that would >> i think that would be a disaster. why not three, disaster. why not have three, three, three, three groups of people looking at? is people that we're looking at? is there trans people there any trans people in leadership roles? >> women leadership roles? >> are there men? the other >> are there men? but the other point i do agree with ben on is that the amount media that the amount of media bandwidth occupied by this tiny issue affecting a tiny group of people when there are huge issues in the world. i think ben talks about economy. >> i talk about about climate. >> i talk about about climate. >> this week, scientists said, we've had every month for the last year, had the hottest last year, we've had the hottest temperature ever. the oceans are beginning to get so hot.

>> don't start us on this because so therefore the issues that we should be concentrating are the big ones like ben talks about , i talk about the environment. >> and i think this trans issue is tiny. >> i mean, it is it is tiny. i just say i don't think it's tiny. >> and i think it's interesting that two men would be saying that. >> i mean, no, no, hold on, hold on, hold on. >> i'm not saying it's interesting you it's interesting that you think it's tiny, but actually it isn't because women. i think because we are women. i think actually, the world, i actually, as 51% of the world, i think women and that affects think are women and that affects all of us, around 1% are trans. okay but hold on, hold on. but i'm talking about biological biological reality , not one that biological reality, not one that you've decided you are. and that's fine. i'm saying that that's fine. i'm not saying that that's fine. i'm not saying that that doesn't exist, but my that issue doesn't exist, but my point that called it point is this that you called it a small issue and it isn't. and for women, big issue for women, it's a big issue because if the top of the top because if at the top of the top 25 companies, which are supposed to be women, you're to be finding women, you're allowed to include men, just like in any sport that will then suddenly include men, that it pushes well, i said pushes out women. well, i said i actually agree with you on that

point. >> i actually saying we should retain, assessment of how retain, the assessment of how many women are actually in place, how many and the salaries as well. and i agree totally agree in equality. so i think we're almost in the we're actually almost in the same place. >> we're really because you >> we're not really because you said minor and i said it was a minor issue. and i think women, 1% is minor. think many women, 1% is minor. well saying trans well they i'm saying the trans people might minority. and people might be a minority. and i that there seems to i do agree that there seems to be extremely amount of be an extremely a lot amount of time it, but that's time spent on it, but that's because effect will because of the effect it will have on women in the long run. if you suddenly start including men scenario men men into this scenario and men can women, then it can be called women, then it pushes women. pushes out the women. >> that, i mean, the >> and i think that, i mean, the number trans people the number of trans people in the country is small, 0.4% of country is very small, 0.4% of the but the trans the population. but the trans ideology, doesn't come ideology, which doesn't come alone, it comes along with diversity, equality and inclusion in its broader sense, which is the promotion effectively of all minorities over and above and if necessary, to the detriment of the organisation in which they're being therefore being promoted. and therefore the of the country. and the majority of the country. and that's where to stop. that's where it's got to stop. i absolutely agree with you that there should be no prejudice

exercised against gay people, or indeed people who self—identify as sex. that is a thing as another sex. that is a thing that does happen, but you do not correct that inequality by progressive discrimination , progressive discrimination, because what you're doing is embedding discrimination in our system. what we need is to drill relentless that all of us are equalin relentless that all of us are equal in the rights that we have. but that's what we've got to do. >> that, ben, is that then you leave. >> why is that a problem? >> why is that a problem? >> the problem is if you don't actually look at how you move forward from centuries of discrimination against gay people, trans, but people, women and trans, but there's discrimination there's no discrimination against gay people, i don't against gay people, then i don't think any discrimination think there's any discrimination against in this, in against gay people in this, in this country any longer. >> look at shock of this >> look at the shock of this size. i don't think so. size. well, i don't think so. >> well, i will to you, ben, >> well, i will say to you, ben, if i down street with if i walk down the street with holding with my holding my hands with my partner, for my life. partner, i'm scared for my life. >> really? >> really? >> lovely. >> no. it's lovely. >> no. it's lovely. >> i. >> i. >> where where is it? what what street concerned about? >> where where is it? what what street about concerned about? >> where where is it? what what street about is:oncerned about? >> where where is it? what what street about is this? ned about? where about is this? >> for it's like women >> because for it's like women if you if you to women if you if you speak to women a lot of women are scared. a lot

of women friends are scared of my women friends are scared to streets. i've had to walk on the streets. i've had two the same. two friends the same. >> hang on, that's not the same. >> you're saying you're both men? >> you're arguing. >> you're arguing. >> no, no, no, you said you compared it to no, no, compared it to women. no, no, no, charge. who no, i'm in charge. i decide who finishes. understand? no, i'm in charge. i decide who finithat's understand? no, i'm in charge. i decide who fini that's progressive rstand? >> that's progressive discrimination . the presenter discrimination. the presenter gets last word. gets the last word. >> me why? i said >> you ask me why? and i said why? because i was 20 years why? because when i was 20 years old, i two friends of mine old, i had two friends of mine murdered. understand that, murdered. i understand that, and i that me. and i see i carry that with me. and i see the amount of abuse online. as an environmentalist , the amount of abuse online. as an environmentalist, you're looking at online, you're talking totally different. >> an environmentalist, i get >> as an environmentalist, i get a amount of a phenomenal amount of homophobic abuse online. >> secondly , talking about >> and secondly, talking about homophobia outside just homophobia outside my house just after brexit, i had people homophobic abuse. i was terrified of my life . i had to terrified of my life. i had to jump terrified of my life. i had to jump into the school across the road in just two years ago, sorry, three years ago, because a man was attacking me, because of my sexuality. it is still real for and so therefore real for us and so therefore i would argue these things still happen. want to get happen. we both want to get well. all three of us want to get same where get to the same place where people promoted merit.

people get promoted on merit. unfortunately, centuries people get promoted on merit. urdiscrimination, centuries people get promoted on merit. urdiscrimination, cen'notes of discrimination, we're not there . there yet. >> well, we might not be there yet fully, but it depends what you're about. you're talking about. you've conflated promotion with being attacked. and i think these are very different subjects. right being promoted in a job for a merit is different to being worried about walking in a street because you're gay. i don't those two things are don't think those two things are together in of together in terms of discrimination. they're discrimination. i think they're very different. actually and very different. and actually and actually, , a woman is actually, as a woman, a woman is actually, as a woman, a woman is actually the most vulnerable of the sexes . so to invite a man the sexes. so to invite a man into a female only space, or to have a space that is designated as female and to enable men to be in that space, i think is to the detriment of females. >> and you're so right, because where this this debate undermines our ability to move forward coherently, we're becoming incoherent as a society . we, you know, a man self—identifying as a woman enables a company to fulfil its in my view, wrong target. yeah, towards having more women on the

board. i mean, the whole thing is ridiculous. >> where i think where there is agreement about 20s 20s. we know where the agreement is on sport. sport an issue. i think we sport is an issue. i think we must have obtain i must have to obtain fairness. i tell the agreement. tell you what, the agreement. but we must remember the mental tell you what, the agreement. but weofiust remember the mental tell you what, the agreement. but weof the remember the mental tell you what, the agreement. but weof the young ber the mental tell you what, the agreement. but weof the young trans|e mental health of the young trans people. okay. >> you've to >> but you've also got to remember that that a mental remember that that has a mental health women as well. health effect on women as well. so say but no no no no so you say that. but no no no no no. affects the mental no. but this affects the mental health we to health of women. so we need to and women most and women are the most vulnerable trans because vulnerable not trans men because women weaker sex and women are the weaker sex and trans actually trans women are actually biological men. okay. so 3:21 o'clock. this is gp news on tv, onune o'clock. this is gp news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua coming up. tories are reportedly plotting to replace the prime minister with penny mordaunt. so could a change of leader stop them suffering a wipe—out in the next election? but next we'll be live in york, where the lib dems are holding their spring conference. they want rishi sunak to call an election now. do you agree

? good 7 good afternoon. if you just tuned in. welcome. this is gb news on tv. online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua, andifs digital radio. i'm nana akua, and it's fast approaching 25 minutes after 3:00. now in what is shaping up to be a contentious election year , the contentious election year, the leader of the liberal democrats, sir ed davey , has been speaking sir ed davey, has been speaking at their spring conference. he called for transformational change and to bring the blue wall tumbling down, taking aim at rishi sunak and questions over his leadership. let's have a listen now . a listen now. >> of course, we don't yet know when election day will be. we don't know because it's in the hands of just one man. it's pretty much the only thing left that rishi sunak controls . he that rishi sunak controls. he certainly doesn't control his party, certainly not his

cabinet, certainly not the health care crisis or the economy . economy. >> is that the same ed davey that went awol after the post office thing ? he's back. well, office thing? he's back. well, joining me now is gb news political correspondent, olivia utley. olivia. so you are there at the conference. what kind of things have they been saying ? things have they been saying? >> well, we heard quite a lot of what we would expect from ed davey. he talked about sewage in rivers. that's a big campaign . rivers. that's a big campaign. argument for the lib dems. he talked about local dentistry. that's another point that the lib been making again lib dems have been making again and again. political i thought what that all and again. political i thought withe that all and again. political i thought withe attacks that all and again. political i thought withe attacks ont all of the personal attacks on politicians at the politicians were aimed at the conservative rather than conservative party rather than the labour party. there was a lot of hate directed at rishi, also at penny mordaunt, jeremy hunt, gove, all seats hunt, michael gove, all seats where the lib dems are planning to target at the next election. there was very little anger directed at the labour party and

actually ed davey made multiple comparisons with 1997. he suggested that he wanted the election to be a once in a generation election, just like in 1997. well, in 1997, lib dem, the lib dems won ed davey seat of kingston and surbiton. but in the general election as a whole, it was, of course, a labour landslide. could it be that the lib dems are gearing up for a labour landslide? and if so, are they trying to keep labour on side? both parties have denied that could be a sort of that there could be a sort of official pact between the pair official pact between the pair of them at an election, but it wouldn't be beyond the scope of imagination to imagine a bit of tactical voting going on. perhaps at the election, and the very fact that ed davey's ire was directed solely at the conservatives and not really at labour suggests that he labour at all, suggests that he knows that way or another, knows that one way or another, he got keep keir starmer he has got to keep keir starmer on side. >> maybe he's suspecting that there might be, well, a kind of hung parliament. maybe he's thinking have to thinking that he might have to go coalition the go into coalition with the labour . are how are the

labour party. are how are the labour party. are how are the labour party. are how are the labour party doing in terms of their electoral prospects ? their electoral prospects? >> well, for keir starmer, essentially the ducks just keep lining up. i mean obviously last year we saw the pretty much imploding of the scottish national party with the dramatic resignation of nicola sturgeon. humza yousaf is doing very, very badly in the polls. it is expected that labour will pick up lots and lots of seats across the border in scotland. meanwhile, as we are seeing south of the border here in england, the tories are imploding too. the papers today are full of briefings and counter briefings, lots and lots of infighting going on between rishi sunak and actually members of his own cabinet. there are rumours that penny mordaunt is pitching herself to be a leader before the next election , and before the next election, and rishi sunaks aides are saying that she's a vessel she has no belief she was on the wrong side of the trans argument, etc. so all of this infighting going on, the tories sinking and sinking

in the polls, they're now at the lowest level that they've been at since truss's disastrous at since liz truss's disastrous budget year . at since liz truss's disastrous budget year. and labour budget last year. and labour obviously is just coming up in the middle there are those who say the tory loyalists who i've spoken to, who say that come the general election, just being not the conservative won't be enough for labour. they have to have their message . and, you their own message. and, you know, you could argue that perhaps has flip perhaps keir starmer has flip flopped a bit on some core issues. up until now, the issues. and up until now, the labour's message essentially labour's message has essentially been, other been, well, we're not the other lot. we'll you a change. lot. we'll give you a change. but to be honest, it's looking like that might just be enough to give labour clean sweep in to give labour a clean sweep in the next general election. with all of labour's enemies falling around the party, a labour landslide is looking pretty likely . likely. >> well, listen, thank you so much, olivia utley. she's out there at the at the lib dems. i've forgotten what they are because they're yellow or orange. what colour is their banner? thank you so much olivia . good to talk to you. . very good to talk to you. right. so joined now by the

right. so i'm joined now by the director doddie weir mccarthy, right. so i'm joined now by the dire> well, i mean, you wouldn't. i used to a big fan of first

used to be a big fan of first past the post, and we were discussing this before i came in, were the view discussing this before i came in, maybe were the view discussing this before i came in, maybe werechanged'iew discussing this before i came in, maybe werechanged my that maybe i've changed my position now deputy position because i'm now deputy leader uk. but that's leader of reform uk. but that's not case. mean, i think not the case. i mean, i think first the post, when you first past the post, when you look the last 27 years of look at the last 25, 27 years of government now , first past the government now, first past the post whenever it's produced a strong actually , strong government actually, they've gone to do really bad they've gone on to do really bad things. know, boris things. and, you know, boris johnson's government with 80 johnson's government with the 80 seat think is seat majority had, i think is going looked at in, you going to be looked at in, you know, in time a really bad know, in time is a really bad penod know, in time is a really bad period the conservative period for the conservative party, and he had that massive majority. in some respects i majority. so in some respects i do agree that, you know, pr is the way forward, but we've got to have a pr system that doesn't produce a mishmash of basically socialism. you know, if you look across to europe, you don't really get strong government of any kind in europe. and that's the problem. >> well , the problem. >> well, we'll carry on discussing that if you've just joined us. welcome. is gb joined us. welcome. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. it is the clash. i'm coming up. should i'm nana akua coming up. should britain back conscription? britain bring back conscription? a key nato ally says that we need consider it in order to

need to consider it in order to deter russian aggression. but next, conservative backbenchers are reportedly plotting to get rid prime minister and rid of the prime minister and replace him with penny mordaunt. could save them could a new leader save them from electoral oblivion? but first, let's get your latest news headlines aaron news headlines with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> very good afternoon to you. it's 331 i'm aaron armstrong rishi sunak will lead the tories into the next election. that's according to the transport secretary, mark harper. a senior tories have been attempting to downplay reports of conservative plot to replace the prime minister mordaunt . minister with penny mordaunt. the move would mean a fourth leader the party in just five leader of the party in just five years. mr harper says unlike laboun years. mr harper says unlike labour, the conservatives have a plan on delivering for the country. the widow of the russian opposition leader, alexei navalny, has been cheered by voters outside the russian embassy in berlin. yulia navalny was protesting on the final day

of voting for the country's next president , of voting for the country's next president, vladimir putin, who's beenin president, vladimir putin, who's been in power as either prime minister or president since 1999, is almost certain to win another six year term with a landslide victory . the election landslide victory. the election comes just two years since russia's invasion of ukraine. there have been reports of arrests in russia. work on the m25 in surrey is on schedule to reopen for monday morning rush houn reopen for monday morning rush hour, and national highways says good progress has been made after unprecedented closures. motorists reported miles of tailback yesterday on the approach to the five mile closure between junctions ten and 11 in surrey, and steve harley, best known as the front man of the british rock band cockney rebel , has man of the british rock band cockney rebel, has died at the age of 73. come up and see me to make me smile. age of 73. come up and see me to make me smile . well, that was make me smile. well, that was the big hit. the band enjoying success with make me smile in 1975, a number one hit. steve

harley has been touring up until recently, but cancelled dates to have treatment for cancer . recently, but cancelled dates to have treatment for cancer. his daughter greta says he died peacefully with his family by his side . we can get more on all his side. we can get more on all of our stories with our gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen now or go to our website now. back to . nana. now. it's back to. nana. >> thank you. aaron, you're with me. i'm nana akua . this is gb me. i'm nana akua. this is gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. coming up, a fish and chip shop has been ordered to remove a union flag mural because council officials deemed it inappropriate. i'll bring you the details next. tory mps are reportedly plotting to get rid of rishi sunak. could a change of rishi sunak. could a change of leader stop them being wiped out at

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gb news on tv, online and on digital radio. i'm nana akua. welcome back. right, so it's time for the clash. turmoil continues within the conservative party as right wing tories are reportedly plotting to replace the prime minister, rishi sunak, or maybe conservative tories are planning to replace him for penny mordaunt , that's in a bid to mordaunt, that's in a bid to avoid catastrophic losses in the polls. i'm not sure that can be avoided should their plot become avoided should their plot become a success. this could mean that a success. this could mean that a fourth leader is it a fourth in just five years? i feel like it's been five. i'm joined now by the director of climate media coalition, donald mccarthy , and coalition, donald mccarthy, and also uk deputy leader ben also reform uk deputy leader ben habib. , starting with you. >> yeah, so the time, the last chance saloon that the conservative party had to save itself was when they deposed bons itself was when they deposed boris johnson and they to boris johnson and they had to get it right at that point because they had to implement policies that would bring inflation under control, that would promote private enterprise, that would raise wages , that would put more money wages, that would put more money in people's back pockets. so the

cost of living crisis could be controlled. those were the that was the moment. and people trashed liz truss. but actually she had a vision for definite change, change and change towards a conservative set of principles . what rishi did was principles. what rishi did was come in and say , i'm going to come in and say, i'm going to fix everything that's broken, but i'm going to do it by changing absolutely nothing about the the conservative about the way the conservative party is governed over the last few years. and he did all the same things that they had done for the last. i don't know, whatever number of they've whatever number of years they've been which is been in office, which is basically of centre form basically a left of centre form of government, state borrowing, state intervention , high state intervention, high taxation, you know, in a big state as i say, a highly regulated state. for example, he did say that he would get rid of the 4800 eu regulations on our statute books within 100 days of being made prime minister. and he didn't do it. if he'd made that step, if he'd deregulated the economy, taken the pressure off private enterprise in the

individuals, we might now be in a very different place. he didn't do it. they are toast. there's nothing putting penny mordaunt in charge , i agree, is mordaunt in charge, i agree, is putting an empty vessel in charge. they've it. charge. they've had it. >> mccarthy. >> donald mccarthy. >> donald mccarthy. >> well, where >> yeah. well, where i agree with it's too late to with ben is it's too late to change nothing. whether they change nothing. whether they change their policies whether change their policies or whether they change leader, they are they change the leader, they are going but the problem going to lose. but the problem that party that that the party has is that majority of british public vote is actually supports progressive parties . is actually supports progressive parties. something like two thirds of the of the public does only 3,033% support the right wing parties . and what's now wing parties. and what's now happenedis wing parties. and what's now happened is the two. right. >> where did you get that information from the latest polling. latest polling, polling. what latest polling, who's polling ? who's latest polling? >> the compendium of them. the average labour polling is around 44. the average lib dem is 1,112, the average green is 6, and the average snp and plight is another two. >> but that is a that adds up to around 66. >> so what's happened is that that the tories, if they if they pitch to the right to, to do

implement ben's far right policy, what. >> well hold on, i know, i know, i know, i know you lack for lack but no no no no no relax. >> no no no. that's excuse me. stop. >> far right policies. >> far right policies. >> you said far right policies. i will stop you there, ben. you can come back for a second because said have far. because he said you have far. >> i'd to know what >> well, i'd like to know what policy it is that we hold. that is far right. give me one example. >> which far right policy? >> which far right policy? >> he just we to >> he just said we need to get rid 4000 regulations rid of 4000 regulations which protect . protect. >> is that far right? >> is that far right? >> yes. far right. don't want to protect the environment. they want to allow the economy to roar of a destroyed roar on the back of a destroyed environment . so roar on the back of a destroyed environment. so for roar on the back of a destroyed environment . so for example, environment. so for example, brexit, the tory brexit, they allowed the tory party allowed the freedom of brexit to allow more sewage in our rivers to allow more. >> no no no no no no no. >> n0 no no no no no no. >> no no no no no no no. >> those are the regulations. no ben wants turn up. >> no far right. well, if you're complaining about sewage in water that's taking place while those regulations have been in place, there is no shortage of regulations in this country.

what we have is a shortage of enforcement. and the water companies are completely broken. they're monopolies , mini they're mini monopolies, mini monopolies where chief executives can get away with blue murder . executives can get away with blue murder. i'm using a turn of phrase, a blue murder. because they're not regulated properly. you can't regulate mini monopolies properly . but you can't regulate mini monopolies properly. but i just want to pick you up on one more thing, if i may. you say that the majority people want the majority of people want progressive policies progressive liberal policies in this not right. this country. that is not right. the polling to which refer the polling to which you refer is people will vote. is those people who will vote. the majority, the silent the vast majority, the silent majority , are sitting their majority, are sitting on their hands. small hands. the small c conservatives, who are the biggest majority, in my view, in conservatives, who are the biggcountry,»rity, in my view, in conservatives, who are the biggcountry, are in my view, in conservatives, who are the biggcountry, are sitting view, in conservatives, who are the biggcountry, are sitting on w, in this country, are sitting on their hands because got their hands because they've got no vote for at the no one to vote for at the moment. ben and reform uk has to get in front them. get in front of them. >> i knew would end up >> i knew this would end up being party political being a party political broadcast, point broadcast, but the point is though, based people though, this is based on people who do vote if they don't who do vote and if they don't vote then they then. who do vote and if they don't votybutan they then. who do vote and if they don't votybut our1ey then. who do vote and if they don't votybut our challenge is to get >> but our challenge is to get them out vote. them out to vote. >> so. so you want include >> so. so if you want to include non—voters, then that's a different but other different debate. but the other point where where if you look at the opinion polling, is that,

for on issues for example, on issues like climate, of climate, the vast majority of the supports the british public supports climate action. the vast majority of public supports action cheaper public action on cheaper public transport, but vast majority of the safer roads . the public supports safer roads. and what's happened in response to reform is and to pressure from reform is and the and the mainstream media, billionaire media is the tories are attacking right. and the they're moving policies away from where the public wants. so for example, mark harper today announced a policy you can you can't drive a 30mph outside a school. but you can speed a 30mph all the way from home to the school. so we can kill kids on the way to school, but not outside. >> well, listen, no. hold on, hang on, hang on. stop. >> stop this is crazy. >> stop this is crazy. >> this is. this is. he's not saying you can kill kids on the way to school. i know, i'm just asking you . asking you. >> that's 30mph. >> that's 30mph. >> this is we call >> this is what we call catastrophe rising. he's just saying that outside the school, rather than 20mph, which actually, if you're driving a petrol or diesel car , would petrol or diesel car, would probably mean you're giving off more because you're more emissions because you're going . and so the

going more slowly. and so the people that environment people within that environment will in will probably be breathing in more those fumes. actually, more of those fumes. actually, they slightly more they should drive slightly more quickly out of that. quickly to get them out of that. but you're a school, as but if you're near a school, as we electric cars and other we know, electric cars and other vehicles are much heavier. i would 20 miles an would suggest that 20 miles an hour far safer, and hour would be far safer, and nobody argue with that. nobody would argue with that. but unreasonable but it's unreasonable to expect people miles hour people to drive 20 miles an hour for of time. it's for a long period of time. it's not on, and therefore we actually watch what's happening here is the policy of 20mph is supported by a majority of the public. >> but how do you say that looking at the polling. >> no, no. well i don't know what you're looking at on cycling issues. >> em- g no can e no can i w— >> no campaign, no can i just can i just tell you and i just tell you? >> .uk safely. be quiet >> donna .uk safely. be quiet now. i just tell you now. can i just tell you actually , the government are actually, the government are overriding of ltns, overriding a lot of these ltns, especially after what happened with sadiq khan these miles with sadiq khan these 20 miles an hour. they're checking an hour. and they're checking that just that councils aren't just installing make installing them to make money off is what is off motorists, which is what is happening. the happening. so that's the reality. so you to say that reality. so for you to say that the of people the majority of people are supporting is absolute rubbish. >> read the press >> i've read i read the press

release nana. >> i'm glad you did the press. >> i'm glad you did the press. >> but mark harper today produced a policy on ltns. and you what the report says you know what the report says briefly if look all the briefly, if you look at all the areas the ltns are put in areas where the ltns are put in london and the cities, london and the other cities, it's to 1 majority. it's a 2 to 1 majority. >> a two. can we get back to the subject of safer roads? >> all support safer >> and we all support safer roads, not ltn. roads, but not ltn. >> this is what you said. >> and this is what you said. >> and this is what you said. >> you've hit the nail on the head all the debate head because all the debate you say two of majority say we two thirds of majority support climate action and therefore we must have net zero and economically emasculate ourselves that the next ourselves. that is not the next step. just because we all want to preserve the planet doesn't mean to economically mean we all have to economically emasculate ourselves. and that's where reform comes in. hang where reform uk comes in. hang on. don't go back to the no no no no it's not a party political broadcast. >> it always ends. it always ends with no. >> but i've been i've been no i've been accused i've been accused of being right. stop accused of being far right. stop you. is not far right wish you. it is not far right to wish to have prosperous economy. you. it is not far right to wish to ino, prosperous economy. you. it is not far right to wish to ino, no. rosperous economy. you. it is not far right to wish to ino, no. so perous economy. you. it is not far right to wish to ino, no. so let'ss economy. you. it is not far right to wish to ino, no. so let's get onomy. you. it is not far right to wish to ino, no. so let's get onomto >> no, no. so let's get back to the point of the question, which was. i'm going ask you, yes was. i'm going to ask you, yes or no? change the leader, penny

mordaunt, changing. >> make >> the leader would make absolutely no difference in penny hopeless penny mordaunt would be hopeless as insanity. penny mordaunt would be hopeless as insanity . the public would >> insanity. the public would laugh at them. >> it's insanity. they should get on with just running the country sake, country for goodness sake, even though it the though they're running it to the ground ? so do you ground right? so what do you think? gb news. com or think? gb views gb news. com or tweet at news. i'm nana tweet me at gb news. i'm nana akua. live on tv, online akua. we are live on tv, online and on digital radio coming up at four, monologue on at four, my monologue on electric ambulances. why are the government obsessed push government so obsessed to push forward with something that is clearly ludicrous? i'll share my thoughts for next. a fish and chip shop has been ordered to remove mural with a union remove a mural with a union flag, after complained flag, after locals complained to the tuned for the the council stay tuned for the details

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the golden chippy in greenwich, south london, has been asked to remove its mural depicting the union flag being held by a humanoid fish. the mural was accompanied by a slogan saying a great british meal. joining me now, gb news national reporter theo chikomba theo . theo chikomba theo. >> yeah, well, when it comes to popular british foods , golden popular british foods, golden chippy is one of those places which has been called the best chip shop in london. but they've been making the headlines this week because of a mural on the side of their building. if we can just see it, it says a great british meal. and this has split the community here. we understand that there are people who have put in complaints to the local authority, and now there from people there are concerns from people who work here that they might have to take this down. but is it wrong for it to be here? we've been asking the local people here what they think, and this is what they had to say. >> i probably got down because of flag and they were like, of the flag and they were like, what's wrong with it? it looks

all right, it? i mean, all right, doesn't it? i mean, look, land in look, they've got land in greenwich. don't to greenwich. they don't want to take today. but when take that down today. but when you've like this you've got something like this that's decent, want to that's half decent, they want to remove that's half decent, they want to ren fantastic artwork. i that's half decent, they want to renfantastic artwork. i really >> fantastic artwork. i really like reminds of banksy. like it. reminds me of banksy. so if it was a banksy there, they wouldn't complain . and so they wouldn't complain. and so why can't other artists who do fantastic work like that also have an opportunity to lighten up the streets joyfully ? up the streets joyfully? >> well, the community here is split about this . we've spoken split about this. we've spoken to lots of people today, some in favour, some not quite sure what the issue is here, but we do have this statement from greenwich council. a spokesperson has said following a number of complaints made to the local ward councillors and enforcement , case was raised enforcement, case was raised about mural question and about the mural in question and they went on to say our planning enforcement team is investigating this as it effectively is an unauthorised advert for a chip shop and that the owner has agreed to paint over it. and they did say this. we will always try to negotiate with the owner before proceeding

to a formal planning enforcement notice. but having spoken to the owner today , he said he owner today, he said he certainly won't be giving up easily with this issue . easily with this issue. >> thank you. thank you very much, theo chikomba. all right, so what do you think? i'm joined now by the director of climate media coalition, weir media coalition, doddie weir mccarthy reform uk's deputy mccarthy and reform uk's deputy leader, mccarthy . leader, ben habib. .uk mccarthy. should paint over should they have to paint over this fish, this humanoid this little fish, this humanoid fish? you like animals? >> i object on artistic measures . that painting is pretty awful. >> it's brilliant. >> oh, it's brilliant. >> oh, it's brilliant. >> what i would say is replace with a proper flag , put a proper with a proper flag, put a proper british flag outside the shop and paint over it. is what i would say. it's gross. but what i would say actually is, is that there's an interesting point. we can't have people painting the walls. imagine if walls. can you imagine if somebody to the somebody decided to paint the front downing street and the front of downing street and the colours of the party, you colours of the reform party, you know, be mad, wouldn't it? know, to be mad, wouldn't it? >> well, will soon be >> well, they will soon be painted the colours of reform painted in the colours of reform uk. gave him his put uk. you gave him his put a british flag and paint over what i say. well do you think? i

think the mural is brilliant. i think the mural is brilliant. i think it takes imagination. good for him marketing his stuff. the best of british. what's wrong with it? i mean, he's probably breached a planning law. he should have probably applied for planning before he painted this thing, but absolutely the thing, but i absolutely love the mural. nothing other than mural. i see nothing other than upbeat, optimistic , you know, upbeat, optimistic, you know, pro—british fish and chips. that's what we are promoting the country, promoting his product. would you eat those chips? i would eat those chips every day of the week. in fact, i'm going to go to greenwich. i'm going to go to greenwich this week. i'm going and i'm go to greenwich this week. i'm going to and i'm go to greenwich this week. i'm going to have and i'm go to greenwich this week. i'm going to have fish and i'm go to greenwich this week. i'm going to have fish and and i'm go to greenwich this week. i'm going to have fish and chips.'m going to have fish and chips. >> like won't eat the >> i feel like i won't eat the chips because i fish because i'm a vegetarian. >> i just just feel like >> well, i just i just feel like eating fish chips. now, eating fish and chips. now, having i know, doesn't having seen i know, doesn't it look brilliant? >> like it, don't you? >> but you like it, don't you? >> but you like it, don't you? >> i it, yeah. mushy >> i love it, yeah. chips, mushy peas. you cannot beat it. >> mushy peas. >> i love mushy peas. >> i love mushy peas. >> so good, good. well, >> are so good, so good. well, listen, lots of you have been getting in touch with your thoughts on some of the topics we've david we've been discussing. david says. leadership says. we talked about leadership of party, and david of the tory party, and david says penny looks the part,

says that penny looks the part, but far from what it but alas, is far from what it what is the right person to lead the our the the party on our behalf? the only true representative we could to carry our could rely on to carry out our wishes? braverman , who wishes? suella braverman, who doesn't need anyone any doesn't need anyone to pull any control strings ? i think suella control strings? i think suella braverman seen she'll braverman has seen that she'll be reins of sinking be holding the reins of sinking ship and doesn't fancy doing ship and she doesn't fancy doing it. remember how it. annette says. remember how penny held the dagger? the sword? did a good job. sword? she did a good job. she'll at front of she'll be good at the front of the ship. yeah, great. yeah. >> can hold sword, >> you can hold a sword, the wheel down, annette >> you can hold a sword, the whee can down, annette >> you can hold a sword, the whee can i down, annette >> you can hold a sword, the whee can i repeat,own, annette >> you can hold a sword, the whee can i repeat, please?1ette says, can i repeat, please? please please not penny mordaunt. she would only guarantee disaster the guarantee a disaster for the tories at the election. please get this out there, guys. i've got there for you, got it out there for you, annette. you're annette. so hopefully you're happy says if happy with that, darcy says if they want to replace sunak anyone mordaunt, pal of anyone but mordaunt, pal of gates, of bill gates, as woke as he'll will this tory party ever get anything right? dodi tory new reform voter. that's what she said, ben habib, david says penny morton is a woke politician in blue clothing. unbelievable stupidity . sorry, unbelievable stupidity. sorry, penny, if you're listening. but that's not my thoughts. that's theirs. and theresa on the trans

she said so a man who is in his 40s worked bank, got the 40s worked in a bank, got the knowledge to work there. now a woman a ceo. what woman could become a ceo. what were, as a real woman, wouldn't stand a chance because not allowed up the ladder. well, thank you that. keep all thank you for that. keep all your coming. gb views your thoughts coming. gb views gb com me at gb gb news. com or tweet me at gb news. i'm nana akua still to come. my monologue. and then for the great british debate this houn the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, is it time for the tories focus on policy, the tories to focus on policy, not see my not personality? see my monologue on electric ambulances on be joined by on the way. i'll be joined by christine danny on the way. i'll be joined by christibut danny on the way. i'll be joined by christibut i'll danny on the way. i'll be joined by christibut i'll leave danny on the way. i'll be joined by christibut i'll leave you danny on the way. i'll be joined by christibut i'll leave you withy kelly, but i'll leave you with the weather. >> a brighter outlook with boxt solar sponsors of weather on . gb news. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. well, for the week ahead it's remaining changeable across the board for most of the week. will be most of the week. it will be fairly mild, but towards the end of week the weekend it of the week into the weekend it does look it will turn does look like it will turn

briefly colder. so the rest briefly colder. so for the rest of sunday still got low pressure. in charge pressure. generally in charge across the country, but any showers generally fizzling out as the evening goes on. so some fairly clear skies developing across england and wales, but it doesn't last long in the west. another band of cloud and rain beginning to work its way into. by beginning to work its way into. by the end of the night, clear skies out towards the east and maybe across northern ireland. and for all us, it is going and for all of us, it is going to a mild one, temperatures to be a mild one, temperatures not falling much than 5 to not falling much lower than 5 to 7 into monday 7 degrees. so into monday morning, a bright start in the east, but the cloud and rain across central parts will move its way eastwards as the day goes on behind some drier goes on behind it. some drier and weather for a time . and brighter weather for a time. this transfers towards the east into the afternoon and that allows another band of cloud and rain its way in from the rain to work its way in from the west. so quite a wet end to the day for northern ireland, but for another mild day. for many another mild day. temperatures 17 degrees in temperatures up to 17 degrees in the south—east. tuesday for a lot of us, it's going to be a rather cloudy picture. outbreaks of rain moving their way south

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ringing. most of the people i know who have an ev have got rid of it because of range anxiety and the inconvenience, having simply just got too much for them. frankly, they never do as much as they say they wont, will anyway. why are the governments so obsessed to push forward with something that is clearly ludicrous ? first of all, they ludicrous? first of all, they are totally impractical . the are totally impractical. the ambulances will take some four hours to charge each, so will be out of action for that time. they will need space and individual chargers and having and heaven forbid they need to do more than the 70 to 80 miles capability, which will be somewhat diminished depending on weather conditions and presumably the life presumably the use of life saving equipment to keep their patients alive, which i'm guessing will be powered by the same battery. their top speed is just 56 miles an hour. what if there's a major incident? it would be outrageous if people died because the ambulance had run out of juice. apparently,

the nhs is committed to making all new emergency ambulances electric by 2030 and the entire fleet by 2045. in england alone, this would cost over £600 million. and in any case, evs are not even really zero emissions. only last month , the emissions. only last month, the advertising standards authority, the asa, said that ev environmental claims must be clear and that adverts must make it clear that zero emissions only applies whilst they are being driven. otherwise it is likely to mislead. and that is because while electric cars don't produce any emissions from the tailpipe , there are the tailpipe, there are emissions involved in the manufacture as well as the production of the electricity used to charge them. so anyone driving an ev thinking what a great job they're doing for the planet needs to think again. and even if you buy into the notion that there are that they are good for the environment , good for the environment, ambulances are usually changed

every five years, and at about £150,000 per vehicle. the new ev version would need to be on the road for over 15 to make it commercially viable. i don't know why any . i don't know any know why any. i don't know any ev that can last that long, so why should the public pay for this? in my view, it's commercially irresponsible and putting our lives at risk for the sake of an ever questioning green agenda which will bankrupt the country and is not in the best interests of the patients. so before we get stuck into the debates, here's what's coming up today for the great british debate this hour. i'm asking, is it time for the tories to focus on policy rather than personality? the tories find themselves in yet another leadership row after rumours emerged of a plot within the party to oust prime minister rishi sunak and crown penny mordaunt then, at mordaunt as leader. then, at 450, worldview will cross 450, its worldview will cross live to tel aviv and have a chat

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own car garage and you sell used cars. >> used car expert . he's the >> used car expert. he's the expert car business. it's. >> you're going to ask me whether it's a good idea. >> the deploying a leaky >> the nhs deploying a leaky ambulances. it's ambulances. i think it's a rubbish i couldn't think rubbish idea. i couldn't think of poor idea. these of a more poor idea. these things range 70 miles. things have a range of 70 miles. so called out. it's all so if you called out. it's all right in london. so you get hit by a car in central london, an ambulance will there, blues ambulance will be there, blues and the mileage is and twos, and the mileage is very short. you're not even going to get to 56 miles an going to get up to 56 miles an hourin going to get up to 56 miles an hour in this gridlocked hellhole of city you'll get back to. of a city you'll get back to. you'll back to a london you'll get back to a london hospital, be up hospital, you'll be bandaged up and ambulance go out and the ambulance will go out again. but if you go to warwickshire, if you go to yorkshire, if go to the yorkshire, or if you go to the northeast, go to the northeast, you go to the beautiful county of durham, northeast, you go to the beauti there unty of durham, northeast, you go to the beauti there are' of durham, northeast, you go to the beauti there are isolated am, where there are isolated villages, or 40 or miles villages, 30 or 40 or 50 miles away from hospitals. so you away from any hospitals. so you get by a car in a village in get hit by a car in a village in yorkshire, 35 miles from yorkshire, 35 miles away from a from from city centre , leeds from from a city centre, leeds hospital, the ambulance. it might not fully charged . it might not be fully charged. it gets to your house and it runs out of juice on the way back. it actually runs out of battery power it's to cost power so it's going to cost lives. mentioned this on your

lives. i mentioned this on your fabulous saturday show yesterday. three yesterday. nana. there are three exceptions opinion. exceptions in my opinion. this this electric this madness about electric vehicles, the police, because that's the next ticking time bomb . police won't be able to bomb. police won't be able to get to emergencies whenever they're leaky vehicles or they're all a leaky vehicles or they're all a leaky vehicles or the who are the the people who are doing the crimes get battery power or crimes will get battery power or some other different powered car. yeah, the police will not the police. this is going to affect the police, this madness. it ambulance it will. and the ambulance service and also fire service and also the fire service. there be service. there should be exclusions. should able exclusions. they should be able to diesel and petrol powered engines. >> well the number as engines. >> wso the number as engines. >> wso you number as engines. >> wso you say|ber as engines. >> wso you say that as engines. >> wso you say that london well. so you say that in london it but what it it will be fine. but what it will do is minimise the cumulative number you cumulative number of jobs you can do. so you'll do one job, but you have then but then you might have to then charge again because that's another so it's another four hours. so it's a stupid idea. it is christine hamilton. stupid idea. it is christine hamiltori mean anybody living or >> well i mean anybody living or visiting here mars, for visiting here from mars, for example, think had example, would think we had taken our senses. taken leave of our senses. i mean, not only are all the things has but things danny has said, but you're going have even more you're going to have even more ambulances. going to ambulances. you're going to have to even ambulances to have even more ambulances because to a because you'll have to have a whole load. sitting on it whole load. sitting there on it is but is utter, utter madness. but let's even further. let's go back even one further.

we don't need to do this. this country is leading the world in cutting emissions. we are. we've cutting emissions. we are. we've cut ours by something like 40, we don't need to do this. we are responsible for less than 1% point something, something, something of a percent of these emissions. we are we do not need to do it. meanwhile, china is burning all these coal fired fire stations and building 250 of around the world. it is of them around the world. it is madness that we're putting the lives our people at risk for lives of our people at risk for an infinitesimal improvement. well, i think on something that we've improved beyond belief. >> but, you know, that's a slight false argument of 1% because, you know, that the because, you know, that we the emissions are offset emissions are only offset because we take we get other countries to do a lot of our dirty work. so, so after manufacturing, we've lost our manufacturing, we've lost our manufacturing base much. manufacturing base pretty much. so it goes from china so a lot of it goes from china so that they are us so that they are selling us stuff . stuff. >> yes. but none of that enables people in this to take people in this country to take the moral ground. well people in this country to take the myright. ground. well people in this country to take the myright. exactly.1d. well people in this country to take the myright. exactly. andiell people in this country to take the myright. exactly. and itl that's right. exactly. and it enables these wacky people enables all these wacky people and all the people who worship on of nut zero, as i

on the shrine of nut zero, as i call it. it enables them to feel good because we're not producing things. of course, you're 100% right. is. right. china is. >> some people might argue about the well. so okay, the emissions as well. so okay, to make the vehicle, as i pointed the emissions is pointed out, the emissions is not zero. the said that not zero. and the asa said that you say it's zero you can't say it's zero emissions actually you emissions because actually you are the electricity from are getting the electricity from fossil and you're making fossil fuels and you're making the vehicle and you're using fossil fuels. so there's no but at the point of source. so sadiq khan would argue that it's great because in london air because in his london the air quality better. quality is better. >> all these driving >> all these people driving around little around smugly in their little evs, know, with the leaky evs, you know, with the leaky ambulances as well. >> forget that if someone, >> don't forget that if someone, god cardiac arrest god forbid, has a cardiac arrest or something, ambulance or something, the ambulance could parked could be potentially parked outside the patient's house with the was going say , the the i was going to say, the engine running because it's keeping going. it's keeping the lights going. it's keeping the lights going. it's keeping equipment keeping the electrical equipment going to keeping the electrical equipment goithrough to keeping the electrical equipment goithrough an to keeping the electrical equipment goithrough an alternator to to go through an alternator to charge the battery, to keep the life machines going. and life support machines going. and all , you're not all of this, you're not necessarily going necessarily just going to be shipped hospital in shipped off to the hospital in in ambulance. be in an ambulance. you could be there 35, 40 minutes, an there for 35, 40 minutes, an hour whilst you're being worked

on whilst you're waiting for on and whilst you're waiting for a doctor to come in another electric car , and then all of electric car, and then all of a sudden the range is reduced dramatically . renee it's just dramatically. renee it's just not practical. it might be practical in urban areas, practical in big urban areas, but even in birmingham, for example, there's a crash on example, if there's a crash on the m6, the arterial route to the m6, the arterial route to the uk, you have ambulances leaving birmingham city centre racing they have to racing up the m6. they have to continue up the m6 in order to go back down the m6 because they've got to get up to the next junction. if they're waiting for the fire service to cut some poor individual out of a they're for that a car, they're waiting for that individual extricated from individual to be extricated from the just a rubbish the car. it's just a rubbish idea. >> some people argue again >> some people would argue again that cheaper to that they are cheaper to maintain. less parts maintain. there's less parts that although when that go wrong. although when something go wrong have something does go wrong you have to the thing. but to replace the whole thing. but you are. you know they you know they are. you know they are. there's no we said are. there's no as we said earlier, are no may just earlier, there are no may i just address earlier, there are no may i just addre some argue that >> if some people argue that electric more electric vehicles are more reliable , then those people are reliable, then those people are ignorant. at the ignorant. if you look at the reliability aspect of an electric compared to electric car compared to a diesel petrol, they are far diesel or a petrol, they are far less reliable.

>> this from you as a i >> and this is from you as a i know this for a fact. >> there have been stories on this. have been christine. this. there have been christine. >> ignorant. this. there have been christine. >> well, ignorant. this. there have been christine. >> well, igwe'ret. this. there have been christine. >> well, igwe're far too early >> well, the we're far too early to doing still in to be doing this. we're still in the foothills of electric car production , etc. and for production, etc. and for services, as danny says, ambulances , fire, police to be ambulances, fire, police to be trial. this is a trial. ambulances, fire, police to be trial. this is atrial. let's trial. this is a trial. let's let let's let's be devil's advocate. this is apparently just a trial, but to trial something like this on essential services is madness. absolute madness . but services is madness. absolute madness. but it makes people feel good. >> i mean, look, there is a place for evs . if you've got a place for evs. if you've got a nice drive, if you've got, like, a somewhere to charge it up and you've got space and time and you've got space and time and you don't really have to go very far, run kids school. far, run the kids to school. it's a little thing. it's just a little thing. although i'm concerned although i, i'm concerned they're so if they although i, i'm concerned the bump so if they although i, i'm concerned the bump into so if they although i, i'm concerned thebump into someonef they although i, i'm concerned thebump into someone they( although i, i'm concerned the bump into someone they better do bump into someone they better be going really slowly. otherwise you're and also otherwise you're toast. and also , you know, you're actually going money buying going to spend more money buying tires burn rubber. tires because they burn rubber. they the tires really they burn the tires really quickly. there are and also quickly. so there are and also don't park it in one of those car parks , you know, with the

car parks, you know, with the cement because some of them have collapsed them . and collapsed because of them. and also just remind you also or just remind you spontaneously was spontaneously combust. i was just to mention the just about to mention the spontaneous combustion. i actually trying actually started off trying to find positive things. it's impossible nother impossible on a whole nother you've been as balanced and objective as you can as a, as a as a journalist, but it's impossible to find any lunatic to say it's a good idea. hang on. i'm. >> social services are essential services. >> danny has thrown down the gauntlet. if there are any lunatics out there watching who think they can defend this justifies. yeah come on, the blower and let's hear. >> yeah, let know. >> yeah, let us know. >> yeah, let us know. >> danny apologise for >> danny will apologise for calling you a lunatic. >> because it's >> i won't, because it's impossible . they should be impossible. they should be shipped off in a in a diesel ambulance to the mental home. if they think that. think they think that. if they think that as good as an idea as that it's as good as an idea as a petrol or a diesel. >> right, listen, if you >> all right, listen, if you just welcome. is just join us. welcome. this is gb news. live on tv, gb news. we're live on tv, onune gb news. we're live on tv, online digital radio. online and on digital radio. it's approaching minutes online and on digital radio. it's 4:00.)roaching minutes online and on digital radio. it's 4:00. i'mching minutes online and on digital radio. it's 4:00. i'm nana minutes online and on digital radio. it's 4:00. i'm nana akuaiutes online and on digital radio. it's 4:00. i'm nana akua coming after 4:00. i'm nana akua coming up, world view. we'll cross live to angeles to speak to the to los angeles to speak to the host of the politics people podcast, also to tel aviv to

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good afternoon. if you're just tuned in. where have you been ? tuned in. where have you been? i've nana akua. we're live on tv, online and on digital radio. it's just coming up to 21 minutes after 4:00. let's have a quick look at what you've been saying. we're talking about electric says electric ambulances. ian says electric ambulances. ian says electric ambulances. ian says electric ambulances are a ridiculous idea . they would be ridiculous idea. they would be they would need charging. so instead of having ambulance workers shift three shifts dunng workers shift three shifts

during a 24 period, it during a 24 hour period, it would only work two, with the third being used for charging . third being used for charging. yeah, it's ridiculous isn't it? a much better option would be to be net zero would be to use hydrogen power. yeah, all hydrogen power. yeah, we all think they're think that. but they're not going are they? going to do that, are they? ralph police especially going to do that, are they? ralph have police especially going to do that, are they? ralph have to ice especially going to do that, are they? ralph have to buyzspecially going to do that, are they? ralph have to buy3s|second set would have to buy a second set of vehicles even if they of vehicles because even if they the last shift, they would need to charged, which takes times to be charged, which takes times cars almost constantly cars are used almost constantly with vehicles with shifts using the vehicles which come off duty. which have just come off duty. and finally tim we've and finally tim says, we've got an ev six months ago, but have just got rid of it after 3.5 hour journeys from wales, which took 8.5 hours because we needed took 8.5 hours because we needed to charge it twice for 160 miles, we had to wait nearly three hours at a motorway service station for charger at a cost of £25 a time. so both ways, the outward journey took 5.5 hours, cost £100. so much 5.5 hours, cost us £100. so much for green policies. exactly. thank you that. if anyone's thank you for that. if anyone's got something good to say about these ambulances, to these ambulances, we'd love to hear they're electric, hear it. if they're electric, but time for the great but now it's time for the great british debate hour. and british debate this hour. and i'm time for the i'm asking, is it time for the tories to focus on policy, not

personality? backbench tories to focus on policy, not per�* rumoured backbench tories to focus on policy, not per�*rumoured to backbench tories to focus on policy, not per�* rumoured to be ickbench tories to focus on policy, not per�*rumoured to be plotting are rumoured to be plotting to replace minister again replace the prime minister again . commons leader rishi, . commons leader with rishi, with mordaunt ahead of the with penny mordaunt ahead of the election, senior tories have attempted to downplay these rumours, with transport secretary mark harper saying that the party needs to show people that tories have a plan and can deliver it. how about delivering the plan that you're currently on at the moment? this means tory leadership is yet again question , after we again in question, after we already had leaders the already had four leaders in the last so for the last five years, so for the great british debate this hour, i'm is time for the i'm asking, is it time for the tories focus on policy, not tories to focus on policy, not personality? to personality? joining me to discuss former adviser david discuss former adviser to david cameron, blonde, norman cameron, philip blonde, norman baken cameron, philip blonde, norman baker, liberal democrat baker, former liberal democrat minister ben habib, deputy leader reform uk . and leader of reform uk. and jonathan mccarthy, director for climate coalition. i'm climate media coalition. i'm going to start with you, david philip, blonde . yeah, trouble philip, blonde. yeah, trouble is, politics and personality merge. >> you've got to have the ideas and then convince people of it. >> but it's true to say the conservatives have had the wrong

policy mix, arguably since 2010. >> i've long argued that the move ahead was becoming pro—worker , speaking to the pro—worker, speaking to the rampant economic and cultural insecurity for those in the bottom half of the income distribution, and they failed to do that. they've stuck with 19805 do that. they've stuck with 1980s liberalism for the home counties, and it's failed them andifs counties, and it's failed them and it's failed the country completely. and what we i for one think there's merit in changing leader as extreme as that sounds. >> but the trouble is morden doesn't recognise a break. >> it doesn't represent a break with, with what's gone on but a continuance. we actually need a leader who will speak to the 2019 electorate. boris johnson , 2019 electorate. boris johnson, had lots of ideas but was incapable of enacting them or bringing them to fruition. and we need somebody who has the

personality and the charisma to paint the big picture of what could be achieved if we had those policies in place. and i'm afraid that's what's needed. >> but you had that. you had bons >> but you had that. you had boris johnson, and he looked like leader. he walked and talked like a leader, but he had people who could help him do the other bit. but the british pubuc other bit. but the british public liked him. >> norman well, your >> norman baker well, now your question simply is, is it always better for governments to concentrate policies rather concentrate on policies rather than personalities? >> because ultimately policies affect the public and affect members of the public and personalities, and large, personalities, by and large, don't. know what we're don't. but you know what we're seeing again is yet more infighting, yet more psychodrama from the tory party, which i think the public at large are fed up with. the are fed up with. and the tories are in bind because they don't in this bind because they don't particularly rishi sunak and the pubuc particularly rishi sunak and the public rate him his public don't rate him his ratings and opinion polling is really but on the other really bad. but on the other hand, the change the prime minister yet again would look completely ludicrous. so what's going moment is a going on at the moment is a battle within the tory party, not for the election. they've written off, but for where

written that off, but for where the party will be after the the tory party will be after the election. that extent, election. and to that extent, personalities because, personalities matter because, say, keeps say, jeremy hunt, he keeps a seat by the way, jeremy hunt would be very different to kemi badenoch. so the you're right, the personalities policies the personalities and policies are in inequitably linked, i'm afraid. >> ben habib well, i agree completely with philip that the conservative party has had all the wrong policies since 2010. >> and as i said earlier in this programme, the opportunity rishi sunak had was when he took over as leader of the party. that was the time that he absolutely had to make the change in policies that would deliver for the vast majority of this country and save it from the economic armageddon path on which it is headed. and he didn't do it. what he said was he was going to fix the economy by practising all the same policies that got it into the mess in the first place. what they don't realise is taxes have to come down on the working and middle classes, taxes have to come down on businesses. need businesses. we need to deregulate . this

deregulate desperately. this inexorable drive to net zero is economically emasculating. the united kingdom , and all of this united kingdom, and all of this needs a 180 degree turn. the government just hasn't . this government just hasn't. this conservative parliamentary party and its government hasn't got the vision to do it. they can change leaders as much as they like. ultimately they will not be able to change policies because don't believe because they don't believe in the policies. the right policies. >> mccarthy well, i >> dominic mccarthy well, i think it be real waste think it would be a real waste and insult to the british and an insult to the british people have yet another people to have a yet another tory party campaign. tory party leadership campaign. they general they need to have a general election post general election and then post general election, once they've lost power, go off and have a power, to go off and have a proper leadership election and have a proper debate. one of the problems the tory party has is that original source of that their original source of power, which was the press, power, which was the tory press, no backs them. the tory no longer backs them. the tory press is now backing reform, and so tory leadership has so the tory leadership has a real problem. do we go towards the reform policies , or do we go the reform policies, or do we go towards the policy most of towards the policy of most of the in britain wants, the public in britain wants, which taxes for poor which is lower taxes for poor people, taxes the people, higher taxes for the rich after our rich to and look after our environment and to look after

climate change. >> it's embarrassing. i think, frankly, they doing frankly, that they are doing this. see, now, i would admit to being conservative voter the being a conservative voter the previous time. before that, i think voted labour. so, you think i voted labour. so, you know , will wherever the know, i will go wherever the policies but i want to policies suit, but i want to hear some policies. i want to see some action. do you not think that if they perhaps focussed on doing something, they'd stand a better chance, philip, spending their time philip, than spending their time ? even though policy and personality are intrinsically unked personality are intrinsically linked , if they actually started linked, if they actually started to do something properly that the british public might even consider them more consider giving them some more ground . ground. >> well, look, it's certainly true that starmer hasn't won the hearts of the british people. >> it's certainly true that the labour lead is the is challengeable because the hold on british people is tenuous . on british people is tenuous. they followed a small target strategy. they've let the conservatives commit error. and so this is where i think actually a new leader with a

coherent, broad, idealistic and transformative vision, which, transform ative vision, which, after transformative vision, which, after all, is what boris offered but was unable to deliver, would make a real difference for the conservatives. it's about the scale of the defeat. do they go below 100 seats? are they three elections away from challenging again, or do they go to a position from which they can recover ? and in the not unlikely recover? and in the not unlikely event that labour also fail, because labour are representing also a continuation of the failed past , then come again. failed past, then come again. and so i think the agenda , the and so i think the agenda, the argument for a new leader, a new leader and a new vision is actually quite compelling as much as it would, cause consternation and humour, it would offer us, a real choice, which we currently don't have. >> but what about us? like the general public, norman, they are again politically posturing,

saying, oh, we'll put this person in front of a sinking ship. what about the policies we're all sitting here we need? the nhs is crumbling, everything is crumbling, and this is what the best they can do. even in their last bit, it's like you're leaving a job. you still have to do the job well. >> sinking ship is right and the problem is that it doesn't matter who the leader is, but the at the moment is the tory party at the moment is ungovernable. that's the bottom line. party which is line. there's no party which is in a worse state the in a worse state than the tories, and leader can emerge tories, and no leader can emerge from tory party from the tory party in parliament can bring parliament who can bring everybody . i mean, you everybody together. i mean, you cannot bring together who cannot bring together people who are, basically reform uk people, along fashioned , you along with old fashioned, you know, camera knights in. there's nothing in common with those people. so there's no unifying agenda they can produce. a dollar has. right. what has to happenis dollar has. right. what has to happen is you have to leave , happen is you have to leave, lose the election, and then actually lick their wounds and decide what want to go, decide what they want to go, which what labour did after which is what labour did after 2010. mean says 2010. well, i mean .uk he says you're you're sort you're right, you're both sort of liberals, know , i think of liberals, you know, i think

we're both. >> well we're saying, is >> well we're both saying, is that you're saying? that what you're saying? >> most of us are saying >> i think most of us are saying the thing, but i think the same thing, but i think we're you nana we're agreeing with you nana what actually saying what we're actually saying is the public not the british public should not have tory the british public should not have deciding tory the british public should not have deciding private'ory the british public should not have deciding private yet party deciding in private yet again prime minister again who are prime minister is it's again who are prime minister is wsfime again who are prime minister is it's time we had say in the in it's time we had a say in the in who the prime minister is. >> tired a small group of >> i'm tired of a small group of men and a of women in men and a couple of women in in parliament, the party parliament, in the tory party deciding prime deciding who the next prime minister time we had minister is. it's time we had a vote and let the people decide. well, decided and >> well, we decided that and they like it. and the they didn't like it. and the final to you ben final word to you then, ben habib? well all know habib? well i we all know precisely which policies the conservatives have to conservatives would have to adopt to win next adopt in order to win the next election. could do it tomorrow, >> they could do it tomorrow, but parliamentary party but the parliamentary party is norman , is ungovernable norman said, is ungovernable and wouldn't policies. norman said, is ungovernable and wo theyt policies. norman said, is ungovernable and wo they are policies. norman said, is ungovernable and wo they are toast. policies. so they are toast. >> they're toast. all right. well, listen, so i'm going to ask you a straight question then. should then. should should they be changing the changing leader before the election? no ? ben habib. election? yes or no? ben habib. no. >> donelan mccarthy. no. >> definitely ficcarthy. no. >> definitely ficcarphillip >> definitely not. phillip blonde. yes. and baker. blonde. yes. and norman baker. no, no. all right. blonde. yes. and norman baker. no, no. all right . well, it's no, no. all right. well, it's just different. different person holding the reins of the ship as

it goes down, isn't it? thank you so much for your thoughts. really good to talk to you. that, of course, was philip bland , norman baker, habib, bland, norman baker, ben habib, also mccarthy. so also monica mccarthy. right. so what you think? views that what do you think? gb views that gb i'm nana akua. gb news. com i'm nana akua. we're on tv, online on we're live on tv, online and on digital up, we digital radio. coming up, we will continue with the great british debate this hour. and i'm asking , is it time for the i'm asking, is it time for the tories to focus on policy, not personality? you'll hear the thoughts of my panel broadcasters christine hamilton and danny kelly still come. and danny kelly still to come. my and danny kelly still to come. my outside guests, i'll be joined by a singer and songwriter who's also appeared on celebrity wife swap and celebrity big brother. who is he? but first, let's get your latest news headlines . latest news headlines. >> it's 431 for good afternoon to you from the gb newsroom. i'm aaron armstrong . at least 74 aaron armstrong. at least 74 people have been arrested in russia on the final day of an election. vladimir putin is guaranteed to win . thousands of guaranteed to win. thousands of people staged a symbolic noon

against putin protest, forming long queues at polling stations across the country. in an apparent show of dissent, the demonstrations have been supported by yulia navalnaya , supported by yulia navalnaya, widow of the russian opposition leader alexei navalny . she held leader alexei navalny. she held one outside the russian embassy in berlin, and there was a similar demonstration outside russia's embassy in london. putin has no credible election rivals and he's serious opposition figures are in exile, in prison or are dead. rishi sunak will lead the tories into the next election, according to the next election, according to the transport secretary, mark harper , a senior tories have harper, a senior tories have been attempting to downplay claims a conservative plot to claims of a conservative plot to replace the prime minister with penny mordaunt . the move, penny mordaunt. the move, though, would mean a fourth leader of the party in just five years. work on the surrey years. work on the m25 in surrey is on schedule to reopen for monday rush hour, and national highways says good progress has been made following unprecedented closures. this

weekend. motorists have reported long tailbacks on the approach to the five mile closures between junctions ten and 11in surrey. it will open at 6 am. tomorrow morning and steve harley, the front man of the british rock band cockney rebel, has died at the age of 73. come up and see me to make me smile. well, that was their big hit. the number one hit make me smile in 1975, steve harley had continued to tour up until recently , but did cancel some recently, but did cancel some dates to have treatment for cancer. dates to have treatment for cancer . his dates to have treatment for cancer. his daughter greta dates to have treatment for cancer . his daughter greta says cancer. his daughter greta says he died peacefully with his family by his side. he died peacefully with his family by his side . well, you family by his side. well, you get more on our latest stories signed up to gb news alerts. scan the qr code on your screen or go to the website gb news .com/ alerts. now it's back to . nana. >> thank you aaron. coming up

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worries again, as a rumour is spreading that some mps are considering replacing rishi sunak commons leader penny sunak with commons leader penny mordaunt before the election this transport secretary this year. transport secretary mark harper has insisted that mr sunak will remain prime minister through the election, as senior tories seek to downplay reports of backbench plotting . miss of backbench plotting. miss mordaunt ran for party leadership in october. in 2022, but a close source to her has dismissed the claim as nonsense, said the great british debate this hour i'm asking is it time for the tories to focus on policy, not personality ? joining policy, not personality? joining me now, my panel, broadcaster and author christine hamilton, and author christine hamilton, and also broadcast from journalist danny kelly, christine hamilton. >> absolutely. i mean, there should have been policy focusing on policy all along. the trouble is we've got prime minister is we've got a prime minister who is born conformist. you who is a born conformist. you know, teacher's pet , he know, he was teacher's pet, he was head boy. he was this, that. and he likes to please everybody , he. yes. he said , you know. so he. yes. he said that for leave that he would vote for leave just because he thought that was the thing he's done the right thing to do. he's done nothing getting brexit. nothing about getting brexit. they've lied on this, that

nothing about getting brexit. thejthe lied on this, that nothing about getting brexit. thejthe other. ed on this, that nothing about getting brexit. thejthe other. they| this, that nothing about getting brexit. thejthe other. they do is, that nothing about getting brexit. thejthe other. they do not hat and the other. they do not deserve to be re—elected. they are catastrophic are heading for catastrophic defeat. nothing can save them. i do want a labour government do not want a labour government at all. i can tell you it is the last thing in the world i want. but the tories just simply don't deserve re—elected. it's deserve to be re—elected. it's too danny too late . too late, danny kelly. too late. >> what a depressing outlook i know well i am depressed by it because the thought of a labour government is horrendous. policy or personality? listen, i think that you can have both. i just don't think rishi sunak is the man that crosses the bridge of politics, policies and personality. the last one we had, of course, was boris johnson and people voted for bons johnson and people voted for boris johnson because of his personality. know, he a personality. you know, he was a salesman and you need to be a salesman. look, it's great. you can the most boring can have the most boring politician the most politician who can do the most fantastic act the most fantastic work and act the most fantastic work and act the most fantastic . but far fantastic work and act the most farbeing . but far fantastic work and act the most farbeing electable,5ut far fantastic work and act the most farbeing electable, you far fantastic work and act the most farbeing electable, you need an as being electable, you need an element of personality. rishi sunak doesn't have that. >> neither does keir starmer, though, if we're totally honest. >> i mean, maggie had it, blair had it. yeah. and then you have

to to well who. to go to well who. >> well boris johnson. >> well boris johnson. >> of course. boris. >> boris of course. boris. sorry. johnson. sorry. boris. boris johnson. that's it. but keir starmer. >> no doesn't. but but but >> no no he doesn't. but but but we're politically. there's, we're up politically. there's, there's a war at the there's almost a war at the moment and it's tribal and people are taking either side and people will take the side of someone who's dull like keir starmer. if he's if he's going to be the victor of the nasty tories, he's jazzed himself up by now, suddenly starting to wear glasses. >> really? that's his secret weapon. >> well, listen, this show is nothing without you and your views. let's welcome our great british their british voices, their opportunity show opportunity to be on the show and us what they think and tell us what they think about the we're about the topics we're discussing. should go? discussing. where should we go? should kidderminster? should we go to kidderminster? >> carpet? >> to the home of carpet? >> to the home of carpet? >> if there's i don't >> i wonder if there's a i don't think got a map, but let's think i've got a map, but let's go to john west midlands, go to john reid, west midlands, john yeah. john reid. john reid. oh yeah. john reid. so what do you policy or so what do you think policy or personality. about time personality. is it about time they focusing in the dying personality. is it about time they of focusing in the dying personality. is it about time they of the sing in the dying personality. is it about time they of the party] the dying personality. is it about time they of the party one dying personality. is it about time they of the party on atiying personality. is it about time they of the party on at least embers of the party on at least some policy. be good. >> if the tories focussed on something now though wouldn't it. i mean you know i've, i've

not voted for tories since maggie was around and that was only because i was a homeowner at the time and still am, i think people do tend to vote on policy or personnel more than policy, although i can see the tories have got policies at the moment. i don't actually think they've got anything of any merit particularly. so. >> yeah , i'm i think the >> yeah, i'm i think the personality is more likely. >> i don't really know keir starmer well enough. i know his image and maybe he hasn't got much of a personality, but they've certainly got policies. >> not not everybody would agree with them . with them. >> but do we ever agree with everybody? i think you don't agree with everything, do you? just what comes just wait and see what comes along. yeah, i think i think along. so yeah, i think i think they're a dead duck. really. if i were sitting in really brushy, brushy shoes today , i brushy sunak's shoes today, i think i'd probably throw in the towel. have a week's holiday and, you know, get one of my mates send a helicopter for mates to send a helicopter for me or something. you know, one of an away day up in of those have an away day up in leeds somewhere, maybe 1 2

leeds or somewhere, maybe 1 or 2 that i've been with and, you know, come back and announce it, announce the election and say, well, thanks very much, boys. i've good time ta da! i've had a good time ta da! >> for now. yeah, exactly. i'll go to america. i think he's go back to america. i think he's got there, got a green card from there, listen, much, john listen, thank you so much, john reid. in reid. he's there in kidderminster. you. he's kidderminster. thank you. he's that voice today. that great british voice today. i've is time i've been asking, is it time for tories focus policy, not tories to focus on policy, not personality? of you have personality? lots of you have been touch with your been getting in touch with your views. them gb views. keep them coming. gb views com or tweet views. keep them coming. gb vie\ at com or tweet views. keep them coming. gb vie\at gb com or tweet views. keep them coming. gb vie\at gb news. com or tweet views. keep them coming. gb vie\at gb news. right.| or tweet views. keep them coming. gb vie\ at gb news. right. so tweet views. keep them coming. gb vie\at gb news. right. so coming me at gb news. right. so coming up it's a world view will be flying going over live to speak to paul duddridge, host of the politics people podcast, and uri geller. stay tuned

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small . and he also appeared on small. and he also appeared on celebrity wife swap and celebrity wife swap and celebrity big brother. have you guessed who this might be? hmm'hmm but first, let's head over to tel aviv. it's time for world view as liberal democrat mp layla moran has said that israel prime minister benjamin netanyahu should be thrown in jail for his actions in gaza. mr moran, the first and only mp of palestinian heritage, spoke at her party conference and called hamas barbaric. but said they were not the only extremists and that the assault by israel on gaza has gone beyond the pale. well let's head over live to tel aviv and speak to uri geller , mr aviv and speak to uri geller, mr fire, and let's see what he has to say about that . already to say about that. already welcome. so we wait, let me calm down because i'm really angry and shaking. >> look, nana, who is layla moran? >> no one in israel has ever heard of this person, and i bet no one in the uk has ever heard

of her either. she's a nobody, but she's now gone and made a name for herself and for all the wrong reasons. name for herself and for all the wrong reasons . layla moran has wrong reasons. layla moran has disgraced the liberal democratic party and ed davey, who is the leader of the party, should kick her out. her words are deplore . her out. her words are deplore. all this person is drawing a comparison between israel and hamas, and this is the spokesperson for foreign affairs . come on. layla moran clearly does not know the first thing about israel and the palestinians. about israel and the palestinians . you know what? you palestinians. you know what? you know what she should do. she should leave the liberal democratic party and join hamas , democratic party and join hamas, because it looks like it would because it looks like it would be more at home there right now. i'm finished. she's an embarrassment to the british. >> she did point out that hamas. didn't she say that hamas, a terrorist. so she's not said that they're good people at all, actually. and she's she's identified not identified that they're not great. do make a good

great. but you do make a good point that she's not really in touch with exactly what's happening. she's not on the ground you are. ground like you are. >> well, let me tell you that. no wonder liberal democrats no wonder the liberal democrats continues continually lose elections appoint people elections if they appoint people like her now. nana, do you see what's behind me here? that cap belonged to donald trump. he signed it for me. and believe it or not, i found pieces of his hair inside. so i want i have a message for biden, if you will allow me. we have a minute about. look mr biden. he also criticised, by the way , benjamin criticised, by the way, benjamin netanyahu. that's why i'm bringing up biden. biden listen to me carefully. you overstepped the line in israel. we have elections and we choose who we want to lead the country. israel never told america how to fight in afghanistan or in iraq, and no israeli leader has criticised a sitting us president. never, neven a sitting us president. never, never, never . joe biden, you never, never. joe biden, you have an election coming up. see

that cat behind me? that's just a little warning. and i already know i know the outcome and you're going to struggle . so you're going to struggle. so instead of criticising your greatest ally, you should worry about fixing america's problem . about fixing america's problem. did you get that? nana? i did get that. we'll just try. >> we'll just kind of come back and try and have a look at that. that cap again of donald trump that's behind you because you've got we seem got it there in vision. we seem to have images on that. to have some images on that. yeah it is. yeah there it is. >> the signature. yeah. >> that's the signature. yeah. and those are the of his and those are the pieces of his hair. i'll you hair. and i'll tell you what some a wig. some people say. oh it's a wig. i don't believe it's a wig. this means i have donald trump's dna. >> do you think it is. you think i think it might be a wig. i'm wearing a but i love my wig wearing a wig, but i love my wig . uri geller, thank you so much. always a pleasure to talk to you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> that is the regalia. he's live there in tel aviv with his thoughts. what are yours now? let's to america and let's travel over to america and speak the host of the speak to the host of the politics people paul politics people podcast. paul duddndge politics people podcast. paul duddridge , about that rumour

duddridge, about that rumour that might be that nigel farage might be returning to politics as donald trump's envoy to the uk , paul trump's envoy to the uk, paul duddridge. what do you know about ? about this? >> this is so exciting, isn't it? >> i don't think nigel farage has ever left frontline politics, to be fair. >> i mean, he is the captain of the ship of all right thinking people in the uk. >> but yes, the, the rumour is and these kind of rumours have got a bit more legs than, you know, they haven't been quashed exactly trump give , exactly that trump would give, farage some kind of role in his future cabinet. >> and the obvious role is something like a trade envoy. >> what's interesting is that i think, nigel farage has mentioned in the past that he'd be interested in being ambassador , to the uk, but ambassador, to the uk, but apparently you can't be a dual citizen and be ambassador to the country with which you're a dual citizen without the consent of the government of that host nation. so if farage was appointed uk ambassador for the trump administration , which we trump administration, which we all hope happens, he would have

to get permission from the probable labour government to be able to take up that role. >> and i can't see them handing it over. yeah, apparently it's a the vienna, the vienna convention or accord, some sort of diplomatic, rarefied stuff. >> so we're looking forward to farage being either trade envoy, economic envoy to either the uk or the eu and both of them will be welcoming him with bated breath. >> well , i breath. >> well, i don't breath. >> well , i don't know. >> well, i don't know. >> well, i don't know. >> i think keir starmer would probably have to consider it if he was in charge, because if we can get trade deals and good, you good things, if nigel you know, good things, if nigel can do kind of mediation can do that kind of mediation between countries, then between the two countries, then it keir starmer's it would be in keir starmer's best i think, to best interest. i think, to enable but what about, enable it. but what about, trump? he's now finally trump? because he's now finally taken over republican party. taken over the republican party. nikki has stepped aside nikki haley has stepped aside and he has taken over. finally >> yeah. nikki haley, that was his rival. this is the actual machinery. >> it's a bit like what you're having with the conservative party. there's conservative party. there's the conservative party, and the

party, the parliamentary and the members, the actual members, etc. the actual republican always republican party has always resisted republican party has always resithey've they've always >> they've they've always thought of, thought he's a bit sort of, declasse for them. and so his daughter is now the new daughter in law is now the new bafic daughter in law is now the new basic leader of the republican party. >> and that's that's the important thing. so and that's trump is backseat driver to that. trump basically now owns the administration of the republican party. that makes a huge difference. he's been riding a bicycle with the back brake applied up till now. nobody on that's supposed to be on his side has supported him. we've had something like 40 previous cabinet members saying they won't, they won't endorse him for the next election , which him for the next election, which is a disgrace. and it shows the kind turncoat that, perhaps kind of turncoat that, perhaps inhabh kind of turncoat that, perhaps inhabit the political class . and inhabit the political class. and so for him to get his hands on finally the actual vehicle of the republican party without having to negotiate with it, is a huge step forward. but that's his daughter in law , lara, i his daughter in law, lara, i believe. oh. that's good, has now become chair , and what now become chair, and what about, he said that he predicts about, he said that he predicts a bloodbath if he doesn't win in

november? >> well, this is the thing. >> well, this is the thing. >> this story is important because it's being reported on all kind of, news media, mainstream news media, that he's predicting a bloodbath. and this is being spun like he's threatening violence. i watched the speech in last night , the speech in ohio last night, and what he actually said was, if chinese government tried if the chinese government tried building car factories in mexico and sending , building car factories in mexico and sending, cars into the us, he'd put 100% tariff on those cars. it would be a bloodbath for the auto workers. it would be a it has been it is one of the worst, most mendacious uses of media that i've ever seen. they've literally just clipped out. it'll be a bloodbath if i don't get elected. he was talking about the auto industry, and why i think that and so that's why i think that story is important. this is how how this dishonesty is how pervasive this dishonesty is in the mainstream press. well, they're weaponizing they're sort of weaponizing language about the legal >> and what about the legal cases being delayed ? cases that are being delayed? >> it's all going trump's way. it's fantastic. now we've talked about it. and, you know, the money is a issue that is money is a huge issue that is now coming to crunch. he's only raised million. but he

raised like $40 million. but he has actually to delay has actually managed to delay with the you know he's with all the you know he's retaliating with lawfare as well. we just saw that in georgia with fani willis. he has, slow pedalled and resisted every one of these legal cases. and they all look like they can't really take place now, legitimately until after an election. so it looks like any, any political capital that his opponents wish to exercise by having him convicted before november the fifth, that all looks like it's going to dissipate. it's still possible there's some very smart people want to take him down, but we're starting to see that his resistance is beginning pay resistance is beginning to pay off. well, i mean, let's hope that >> well, i mean, let's hope that it does. but, you know, it'll be interesting to see what happens because of course, joe biden is still there. and democrats still there. and the democrats aren't really doing ridiculously badly how bad joe badly considering how bad joe biden actually is. but paul duddndge biden actually is. but paul duddridge really good to talk to you.thank duddridge really good to talk to you. thank you so much. that's that's paul w a toast to the politics people podcast. i'm nana akua. this is gb news coming british coming up, my great british debate. trust labour

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so , but he's quite famous. so far, but he's quite famous. had a famous ex—partner , has the had a famous ex—partner, has the singer of fats and smalls remember that? got to turn around. and then for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking, can we trust labour with our councils? but first, let's get your latest . news. get your latest. news. >> very good evening to you. it's 5:00. i'm aaron armstrong, at least 74 people have been arrested in russia on the final day of election. vladimir day of an election. vladimir putin guaranteed to win . putin is guaranteed to win. thousands of people have staged a against putin a symbolic noon against putin protest, forming long queues at polling stations across the country. in an apparent show of dissent . the demonstrations have dissent. the demonstrations have been supported by yulia navalnaya , widow of the russian navalnaya, widow of the russian opposition leader alexei navalny . she held one outside the russian embassy in berlin , where russian embassy in berlin, where voters have been encouraged to spoil their ballots . there was a spoil their ballots. there was a similar demonstration outside russia's embassy in london. vladimir putin has no credible

election rivals . any serious election rivals. any serious opposition figures are in exile in prison or are dead. opposition figures are in exile in prison or are dead . the in prison or are dead. the transport secretary, mark harper, says rishi sunak will lead the tories into the next election. senior tories have been attempting to downplay claims of a conservative plot to replace the prime minister with penny mordaunt. the move , penny mordaunt. the move, though, would mean a fourth leader of the party in just five years. mr harper says unlike laboun years. mr harper says unlike labour, the conservatives have a plan delivering for the plan on delivering for the country . country. >> we've got to show them by the time of the election on two things. we've got to show them that we've got a plan. the plan is working and it's delivering for them, and i think we can see that it for them, and i think we can see thatitis for them, and i think we can see that it is on inflation and on taxes. we've also then got to show them that the labour party doesn't have a plan and will be a big risk. for example, we know the party wants to spend the labour party wants to spend £28 billion green plan . £28 billion on their green plan. they've hidden the price tag now, but they don't know how to pay now, but they don't know how to pay for it. that would mean

taxes going up. >> well, meanwhile, the shadow paymaster general, jonathan ashworth, has told gb news the government's priorities are all wrong . wrong. >> rishi sunak is not acting in the national interest. it's reckless , it's irresponsible. he reckless, it's irresponsible. he should name the day of a general election and stabilise matters. at the moment, he's more preoccupied with his own leadership and saving his own skin than governing in the national interest. and i think after 14 years, this is a pretty discredited government. he needs to name the day, i mean, but if he doesn't name the date soon, we could have a leadership election soon. >> and speaking of the liberal democrats, spring conference leader davey accused the leader sir ed davey accused the prime minister of giving up. >> knows , maybe despite what >> who knows, maybe despite what he says, rishi will call the election tomorrow or next week . election tomorrow or next week. i certainly hope so. the country can't wait a moment longer to see the back of this terrible government . government. >> welcome. the m25 in surrey is on schedule to reopen for rush

hour on monday morning. national highways says good progress is being made after an unprecedented closure. there have been big tailbacks reported yesterday on the approach to a five mile stretch that is shut between junctions ten and 11 and surrey. it's due to open at 6 am. tomorrow morning . consoles a.m. tomorrow morning. consoles will have to consider whether residents support low traffic neighbourhoods in their area before going ahead with the schemes . the draft guidance is schemes. the draft guidance is due to come into force this summer. now they're designed these ltns to encourage cycling and walking by limiting driving alongside roads , and they alongside roads, and they include wider pavements and barriers to restrict the vehicles . ltns often use signs vehicles. ltns often use signs and bollards to stop the traffic on certain routes well, as well as local residents . businesses as local residents. businesses and emergency services will also have to approve of any further schemes . steve harley, best schemes. steve harley, best known as the front man of the british rock band cockney rebel, has died at the age of 73. come

on, the scene is to make me smile . the band enjoyed success smile. the band enjoyed success in 1975 with the number one hit make me smile. in 1975 with the number one hit make me smile . steve harley had make me smile. steve harley had continued touring until recently when he had to cancel dates for cancer treatment. his daughter greta says he died peacefully with his family by his side. i can tell you what might not be peaceful revellers gathering in cities around the world to celebrate saint patrick's day. in belfast, thousands of people marched the streets. they turned out in the city centre to enjoy the dancers , the green flags and the dancers, the green flags and the dancers, the green flags and the usual events in the parade colour. at song, plenty of dancing as well for the traditional parade in dublin, where locals vie with tourists along the roads to watch the procession. but no one celebrates being irish quite like the americans. as chicago geanng like the americans. as chicago gearing up for the traditional parades, there by dyeing the

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talk highs, lows and lessons learned and comes next on learned and what comes next on the and today i'm the outside. and today i'm joined singer joined by a british singer songwriter who has sung on ten uk charts entries . you uk singles charts entries. you will not want to miss that then, for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking can we trust labour with our councils? the shadow chancellor, rachel reeves, wrote a pamphlet which endorsed a re—evaluation and revision of existing council tax bands, which was set in 1991, which means that prices could escalate up to £1,200. so should we trust labour with our councils? as ever, you can email gbviews@gbnews.com or tweet me at . gb news. so each sunday at at. gb news. so each sunday at five i'm joined by a celebrity, a former mp or someone who's had an extremely interesting career to take look at. life after to take a look at. life after the job. we talk highs, lows and lessons what comes lessons learned and what comes next on the outside now. my guest in hong kong and guest was born in hong kong and moved to the united kingdom with his when was just two

his family when he was just two years old. on sweet. in the late 19805, years old. on sweet. in the late 1980s, he featured on the tracks don't stop and the deep, and he also became the singer of fat's and small after they found they needed a front man for their hit single turn around, which peaked at number two on the uk singles charts . i'm at number two on the uk singles charts. i'm sure you've at number two on the uk singles charts . i'm sure you've guessed charts. i'm sure you've guessed who it is. of course, i'm delighted to say i'm joined by tv and singer tv personality and singer songwriter ofoedu. ben. songwriter ben ofoedu. ben. hello nana. it's lovely to meet you finally. >> i know you've messaged each other on instagram and twitter and stuff like that, but to meet you in real life, it's lovely. you're very beautiful . you're very beautiful. >> oh thank you. very nice man. he's going hot in he's going to be very hot in that coat, but we'll monitor it style , style. ben, talk to style, style. so, ben, talk to me you talk to me little me then you talk to me a little bit about backstory. bit about your backstory. you were born in hong kong, born in hong kong , and not really. hong kong, and not really. >> simple story. my was >> simple story. my dad was a merchant seaman he worked merchant seaman and he worked for national shipping for nigerian national shipping line. was that line. and there was a war that broke out nigeria, the broke out in nigeria, the biafran war in 1967. i was born 72, so he was estranged from my

mum for about five years or whatever. and then and when they met back together again, he went to china to work for ships over there and stuff for, for for, shipping company over there when i got back together again. i'm the baby of their union, so i'm the baby of their union, so i'm the second half of the family. so of us, three so there were six of us, three older three younger ones, older ones, three younger ones, and i'm the baby, middle and i'm the middle baby, middle child, middle child, old child, classic middle child, old classic, middle child. >> so talk to me about your journey from there. i mean your schooling journey then how schooling journey and then how you you went out you found because you went out with vanessa. it's a famous she's famous woman. we she's a very famous woman. we have do little bit about have to do a little bit about you. you can. yeah, you. yes. you can. yeah, certainly. but talk about certainly. but talk to me about what led to meeting what journey led you to meeting vanessa. you guys meet. vanessa. how did you guys meet. so just say that, you so so i would just say that, you know, grew essex, essex. know, i grew up in essex, essex. boy and then went to school. always to be in music always wanted to be in the music industry, and i was lucky enough to rap competition with a to win a rap competition with a dj called dave pearce. and then from that point , dj called dave pearce. and then from that point, i dj called dave pearce. and then from that point , i started from that point, i started making records and made the records in the late 80s with a group called stakker humanoid.

and then got into a boy band and then i got into a boy band called and in we called ben's, and in ben's we toured take and we toured with take that and we toured with take that and we toured boys. wow boyzone. i toured with boys. wow boyzone. i became very friendly with and one my best friends out of one of my best friends out of boyzone one shane lynch. but keith keith duffy keith duffy and keith duffy starred in big starred with vanessa in big brother, the first ever big brother, the first ever big brother, and he introduced me to her at an after party. and then that's how we kind of met. and then we just got together at the okay! magazine. christmas party in that's it. so whilst you were >> that's it. so whilst you were doing your singer songwriting, was that where you really where was that where you really where was your heart? was the thing that you wanted to do performing stage, at first i just wanted to be best in my day. you know, be the best in my day. you know, people just didn't want to be famous for the sake of being famous. you wanted to be the best it. so i wanted to be best at it. so i wanted to be the best rapper. and then the best singer. it really sort the best rapper. and then the be simpleer. it really sort the best rapper. and then the be simpleer. it so �*eally sort the best rapper. and then the be simpleer. it so singing rt the best rapper. and then the be simpleer. it so singing and the best rapper. and then the bonly pleer. it so singing and the best rapper. and then the bonly ever. it so singing and the best rapper. and then the bonly ever wrote so singing and the best rapper. and then the bonly ever wrote so singand and the best rapper. and then the bonly ever wrote so singand 11d i only ever wrote songs and i wrote of them, but i only wrote many of them, but i only ever wrote them because i thought everyone their thought everyone wrote their own songs. was songs. i didn't know there was such songwriters and such thing as songwriters and singers, and singers, so i wrote songs and stuff like that. by the time i

got phats and small, had got to phats and small, they had already written the they already written the song. they just to sound just wanted someone to sound like soul singer just wanted someone to sound like luckily soul singer just wanted someone to sound like luckily i soul singer just wanted someone to sound like luckily i was soul singer just wanted someone to sound like luckily i was blessed1ger just wanted someone to sound like luckily i was blessed with and luckily i was blessed with that voice. that kind of voice. >> was huge , that song. >> so that was huge, that song. what like you? what was that like for you? because propelled because that must have propelled you. you've worked with you. i mean, you've worked with lots famous bands and lots of big famous bands and stuff, to be the stuff, but for you to be the front person this time, what was that? >> that song a complete >> that song was a complete situation. was it's really, situation. it was it's really, really was a really weird because i was in a in a boy signed to a big in a boy band, signed to a big record label, used in big studios, big budgets and everything turn everything like that. and turn around basically done around was just basically done in, toilet and a bedroom, in, in a toilet and a bedroom, basically brighton, hove basically in brighton, in hove i was remember that was my life come . it was basically like, come to. it was basically like, but, yeah, but it just shows you that the smallest things that you do can turn out to be the biggest blessings of your life. and was a worldwide record. and it was a worldwide record. and it was a worldwide record. and also in those days, i mean, we sold 3.2 million records counted. days there counted. but in those days there was a lot of white labels going on and stuff like that. so we probably did, i reckon now we probably did, i reckon now we probably did, i reckon now we probably did about 5 million records. probably did about 5 million recordswhite labels those who >> so white labels for those who don't they, don't know or what are they, copies of original copies copies of the original copies

with yeah they're with a label? yeah they're almost bootlegs. almost like bootlegs. >> people hearing them >> it's like people hearing them on then on the radio and then and then sort to vinyl. >> that's going to be one of my most favourite of my most favourite tracks of my youth. you, thank you. most favourite tracks of my youyeah you, thank you. most favourite tracks of my youyeah , you, thank you. most favourite tracks of my youyeah , yeah, you, thank you. most favourite tracks of my youyeah , yeah, that, thank you. most favourite tracks of my youyeah , yeah, that was nk you. most favourite tracks of my youyeah , yeah, that was suchyu. >> yeah, yeah, that was such a good track. >> it was a very good track. yeah. so after that. so you did all you vanessa , then all that. you met vanessa, then things sort of went quiet from you. what you doing you. what? what were you doing in that? that. >> know what just what >> you know what i just what went it was , it was really went on? it was, it was really weird. i kind had a bit of a weird. i kind of had a bit of a career change and suppose, you career change and i suppose, you know, kind of doing more know, she was kind of doing more sort magazine and reality tv, sort of magazine and reality tv, that of thing. and it was that kind of thing. and it was just. and i'd of, you know, just. and i'd kind of, you know, i'd turn around and i kind i'd done turn around and i kind of peak whatever of reached the peak of whatever it looking for , and, it was i was looking for, and, and i just kind of slowed down. i was kind of ready to settle down. i was ready to get married. it was that kind of thing. so just kind of taking it easy, and we easy, really. and then we used to do of, you know, game to do a lot of, you know, game shows and tv shows, and in my life sort of became that. life sort of became like that. and time as and i think that at that time as well, think that, you well, i just think that, you know, that that whole being a celebrity thing of just

celebrity thing kind of just grew, people's jobs. grew, that became people's jobs. so do they have to be so no longer do they have to be able or dance or do able to sing or dance or do anything. it'sjust able to sing or dance or do anything. it's just like, just be the sake of being be famous for the sake of being famous. i think mean, famous. and i think i mean, that's world's always that's how that world's always appeared that's how that world's always app! ared that's how that world's always app! think remember seeing you >> i think i remember seeing you on i think you do millionaire. >> did really well. >> yeah, we did really well. >> yeah, we did really well. >> you were. you answered so >> and you were. you answered so many questions. i'm like, i answered the questions you did. >> answered all the questions. >> i answered all the questions. i saved life that show. i saved their life on that show. >> really i >> you really did. and i remember thinking, wow, he's really clever. >> she's i mean, >> yeah, yeah. no, she's i mean, she's intelligent lady. she's very intelligent lady. >> yeah. i you >> yeah. but i mean, you answered the questions, though. >> yeah, totally. that's >> yeah. yeah, totally. that's what i'm not i'm what i mean. i'm not i'm not like i from family of like i come from a family of academics anyway. >> if hadn't gone >> yeah. so if you hadn't gone into would you have gone into music, would you have gone into music, would you have gone into something academic? if into something academic? and if you that have been? >>i been? >> i don't think i would have gone into anything academic. i've liked people, i've always liked people, though, a people's though, you know, i'm a people's person. before person. and actually before that, just before i got into music, a salesman, music, i was a salesman, clothing , and i just clothing salesman, and i just used to, but it just the used to, but it was just the fact meeting people. and fact of meeting people. and i think being frontman the think being a frontman of the band same sort of thing. band is the same sort of thing. you're you and like my, my you're it's you and like my, my real gift is performing. so it's

just connection just about a connection with people. would people. and so i probably would have , you know, high have just been, you know, high up in a, company, i would up in a, in a company, i would have gone into sales just have gone into sales and just gone sell anything. gone any i can sell anything. yeah. what i think. yeah. that's what i think. >> i think would >> yeah. i think you would convince probably convince me i probably buy stuff. oh, you can stuff. i'd be like, oh, you can easy, you can easy kind, you easy, you can easy to kind, you can can sell anything. can easy. you can sell anything. yeah. of course with you and yeah. so of course with you and vanessa, when did what can you tell us. because i know people don't too much don't like to talk too much about have on. about that. you have moved on. but those. about that. you have moved on. butyeah,|ose. about that. you have moved on. butyeah, just just i it's >> yeah, just just i mean, it's short and was a 17 year short and it was a 17 year relationship , short and it was a 17 year relationship, and it was it wasn't going anywhere. basically it was going around in circles. you know, when we met, i wanted to get married. i to have to get married. i wanted to have children. couldn't have children. if you couldn't have children, adopt children, i wanted to adopt children. she just didn't children. and she just didn't really want any that. really want any of that. and then it for. but then that was it for. but i didn't find that out until about ten really and so it ten years in. really and so it was of like it was there was kind of like a it was there was kind of like a it was there was lot of downhill things. was a lot of downhill things. the was of the relationship was kind of winding and pretty winding down. and that's pretty much was. it was it was much what it was. it was it was almost like although people see the outside and it was just like, yo, you were texting

someone and and that, this someone and this and that, this and but the whole thing, and that. but the whole thing, the of life, was the 17 years of my life, it was just where was just the from from where i was looking it was a bit of looking at it, it was a bit of a lie for me personally. >> what, towards the end. >> what, towards the end. >> the whole way >> yeah. well the whole way through was it wasn't lie. we through was it wasn't a lie. we were i was in love with were in love. i was in love with her. but what i mean is that, it was a lie. as in, i was gaining nothing from my family nothing from it. my family were saying, actually saying, what are you actually doing? going to get doing? are you ever going to get married? what's going married? i mean, what's going on? didn't want get on? she didn't want to get married she want to married and she didn't want to adopt and all adopt any children. and all these said that these things that she said that she do, she didn't she wanted to do, and she didn't want to do that. and it's just like. and over in an afternoon. >> so that's but then there were reports that were texting >> so that's but then there were reports tror. were texting someone or. >> yes, was someone or. >> yes, and, >> yes, there was that. and, but, all these things, you but, but all these things, you know, therapy and stuff know, with therapy and stuff like you kind have to like that, you kind of have to look why, were doing look at why, why you were doing that. doing that. yeah. why was i doing that? know, that? and, you know, subsequently searching for, subsequently soul searching for, for months, it was for the last 12 months, it was kind of i unhappy. i was kind of i was unhappy. i was just and bored . and i just unhappy and bored. and i just unhappy and bored. and i just was just going round in circles. and it's hard being in a where the children are a family where the children are growing having boyfriends,

growing up, having boyfriends, then getting married, then having children, and, and you just of in the same place. just sort of in the same place. it's just, you know, there's no movement. >> obviously vanessa's >> and obviously vanessa's not here her side of here to sort of give her side of the you know, we the story. but, you know, we brought here and it's brought you here and it's really. it's really about really. yeah, it's really about me. really. yeah, it's really about me don't about her. >> don't worry about her. >> don't worry about her. >> used to talk about how >> you used to talk about how you. i you got you. yeah, but i know you got involved with some men's mental health, and stuff. health, campaigns and stuff. talk a little bit about. health, campaigns and stuff. taliyeah, a little bit about. health, campaigns and stuff. taliyeah, well, ttle bit about. health, campaigns and stuff. taliyeah, well, ile bit about. health, campaigns and stuff. taliyeah, well, i expect bout. health, campaigns and stuff. taliyeah, well, i expect thet. >> yeah, well, i expect the mental health thing. i mean, i, you kind was aware of you know, i kind of was aware of it, but really affected me it, but it really affected me last year because was really last year because i was really rubbish in the press and on social media stuff like social media and stuff like that. and you know, my that. yeah. and you know, my mental, mental took, mental, my mental health took, took a real bashing and, and then and that's what started to appeal to me. and you know, until something i mean we should all be aware of stuff. but when something happens to you and you see it firsthand and you feel it, i mean, know, some of it, i mean, you know, some of the yean it, i mean, you know, some of the year, just the some of last year, i just didn't i was present. didn't feel like i was present. i in the room, i kind of i was in the room, but i kind of wasn't in the room, you know, with mind. mind was just with my mind. my mind was just running and that was running everywhere. and that was due media backlash,

running everywhere. and that was due by media backlash, running everywhere. and that was due by vanessa,acklash, running everywhere. and that was due by vanessa, so lash, running everywhere. and that was due by vanessa, so she's not helped by vanessa, so she's not here to defend herself, and she might joking, i'm joking. >> not a thing said. yeah, but >> not a thing i said. yeah, but yeah. that was, you know, yeah. so that was, you know, that mental health took yeah. so that was, you know, titoll mental health took yeah. so that was, you know, titoll for mental health took yeah. so that was, you know, titoll for the mental health took yeah. so that was, you know, titoll for the worse. health took yeah. so that was, you know, titoll for the worse. butilth took yeah. so that was, you know, titoll for the worse. but like ook a toll for the worse. but like i said, i've had a bit of therapy and stuff like that, i'm. and stuff like that, and i'm. yeah, i'm back firing and you're firing cylinders. firing on all cylinders. >> what's >> what are you doing? what's going firing doing? >> well, at the moment, it's prostate awareness month in march stuff that. and march and stuff like that. and it affects , black people a it affects, black people at a very and afro—caribbean very black and afro—caribbean people at a very, you know, high percentage. it's almost double it does from any other, race and stuff , so or ethnicity it does from any other, race and stuff, so or ethnicity and it does from any other, race and stuff , so or ethnicity and stuff stuff, so or ethnicity and stuff like that. so i'm kind of doing a campaign where, it's a part of my anatomy that will be on a massive billboard. >> oh, god, no, outside the emirates stadium. >> i think we did it. i wonder if i don't whether we can if i don't know whether we can play if i don't know whether we can play we did. i send it play it. we did. i did send it to producer to have a look at to my producer to have a look at it. but it's a very simple campaign, it? campaign, isn't it? >> it's a very simple >> yeah, it's a very simple campaign. hopefully campaign. and hopefully you'll know is when you see it. know what it is when you see it. and. but, you know, and. yeah. but, you know, i think and stuff

think anything to help and stuff like think that, you like that. and i think that, you know, of a certain age, know, men of a certain age, i mean, i'm 45. you're over 50. >> how old are you? >> how old are you? >> i'm 51. >> i'm 51. >> oh, you're younger than me, little young man. >> i know, but you didn't >> i know, but but, you didn't respond quite well. >> to say >> you're supposed to say you don't than don't. don't look older than you don't. >> don't. and you said >> you don't. and when you said in youth like it's too in your youth like it's too late, you can't do the comeback after you've even about after you've even talked about it, not going to it, it's not it's not going to get you anywhere, man. >> so you're doing this campaign? >> so you're doing this canso ign? that's something >> so and that's something that's close that's really, really close to my think that men my heart. i think that men should go and their should always go and get their prostate and prostate prostate and your prostate enlargement older and enlargement as you get older and should get it checked. should go and get it checked. it really black really affects the black community. lot men, you community. a lot of men, you know, just scared of, you know, are just scared of, you know, are just scared of, you know, and going know, their anatomy and going to see having that see a doctor and having that kind so it's just kind of done. so it's just spreading about that. spreading awareness about that. so of things that so that's one of the things that i'm passionate it, i'm really passionate about it, and the and so hopefully the, the picture anatomy will be picture of my anatomy will be well received. >> you have to look out for that. people it is there and i think it will be well received. actually, to be fair. and you are releasing a new single? >> yes, got a couple of >> yes, i've got a couple of singles out. i've got one single

out moment, is on a out at the moment, which is on a compilation which i did compilation album, which i did with brown mick brown with mick brown and mick brown got revisited, like got it's called, revisited, like reloaded . so it's loads of 80s reloaded. so it's loads of 80s and 90s singers. junior giscombe , david grant, cary grant. oh, wow. so sunita's on it and stuff like that. yeah. no, it's a fantastic album. and i did a cover of an example record called change the way you kiss me, which is quite apt, but change the way you kiss me. yeah. so i did that and that's out now, which you can sort of download and it's rediscovered. the album's called sorry, supped the album's called sorry, slipped my tongue and then i have my own stuff coming, my own bed of material coming. i've got a, it's actually a reimagined version of a song by p m dawn called set adrift on memory bliss. i love that, yeah, it's a beautiful song. >> it's a beautiful sampling. >> it's a beautiful sampling. >> the spandau true and >> the spandau ballet true and record and a record and stuff. and it's a really, beautiful song . really, really beautiful song. and it just really. and i'm kind of in own you of just in my own zone, you know, of stuff like know, kind of doing stuff like that. i've got many that. that'd be. i've got many more i'm working but more records i'm working on, but they're ones are

they're the two ones that are really come and i think set really come in and i think set adrift be a massive. yeah, adrift will be a massive. yeah, it's got massive response on my instagram. >> it's such a lovely track. and to bit of a remix, yes. to get a bit of a remix, yes. >> just very >> on there it's just very floaty. very genteel . floaty. yeah, it's very genteel. myrivilis are you? yeah >> are you send me. are nice words. >> you're in good voice now. you're in good voice . you're in good voice. >> good voice is nice. so if people want to follow you on instagram or whatever or catch up with some of the stuff you're doing, where can they go? where up with some of the stuff you're doirthey1ere can they go? where up with some of the stuff you're doirthey1ere out they go? where up with some of the stuff you're doirthey1ere out morejo? where up with some of the stuff you're doirthey1ere out more about1ere you? >> yeah, just come on to my instagram. mean, that is, you instagram. i mean, that is, you know, that's almost new know, that's almost like the new telly, it? and, you know, telly, isn't it? and, you know, you try out records on there you can try out records on there and that before, you and stuff like that before, you know, could find if know, you could find out if a record works. you had to go to a nightclub djs play nightclub and get djs to play it. you just stick it on it. now you just stick it on your instagram and the response will people like it will show you if people like it or that's good. or not. yeah. so that's good. and know people don't and if you know people don't like just don't get like it, you just don't get a lot of hits. and they do, you do. >> what would you say anyone? >> what would you say to anyone? there's life lesson to there's a big life lesson to you. has been your life you. what has been your big life lesson on lesson that you could pass on a pearl to anybody pearl of wisdom to anybody listening don't waste

listening now, don't don't waste your convince your time trying to convince yourself some things happening when then if we when it's not right. then if we do. much. lovely do. thank you so much. lovely to talk thank much . talk to you. thank you so much. thank you. that is a brilliant finish. a singer and finish. he's a singer and tv personality that was outside. coming joined by my coming up, i'll be joined by my great british voices. their opportunity to tell us what they think about the topics we're discussing. next time discussing. but next it's time for british debate. for the great british debate. this asking, can this hour. and i'm asking, can we with our we trust labour with our councils

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we trust labour with our counciseeviillions britons we trust labour with our counci see theirns britons we trust labour with our counci see their councilitons we trust labour with our counci see their council taxs would see their council tax hiked up under plans previously advocated by labour's rachel reeves. the shadow chancellor wrote a pamphlet in 2018 which endorsed a re—evaluation and revision of existing council tax bands, which was set in 1991. according to the sunday telegraph, a revision of the banding could cost 4 million households, £1,200 a year. that's £100 a month. a labour spokesperson has since said that there are no plans for a revaluation in the first tum of government run by sir keir starmer, but would not rule it out completely . so for the great out completely. so for the great british debate this hour, i'm asking can trust labour with asking can we trust labour with our obviously our councils? and obviously a lot councils spend lot of the labour councils spend way money than some of the way more money than some of the conservative ones. me conservative ones. joining me now founding now to discuss this founding chairman global aman chairman of global britain, aman bogle, former labour mp bogle, and also former labour mp bill rammell, bill, i'm going to start with you, bill, this is what it's been touted. it was written the article was in the telegraph today. so it sounds as

though labour are revisiting it. and a lot of people know that a lot of labour councils seem to spend more in general than spend more money in general than the ones. so can the conservative ones. so can they ? they be trusted? >> yes, they can by the tory right. >> you know, this was a pamphlet written before rachel . oh, he written before rachel. oh, he was chair of the business select committee. i actually think she's right. we do need a hasn't happened since 1991, tony blair first committed it to it in two. oh, committed to it . it's never oh, committed to it. it's never happened. it's out of date , but happened. it's out of date, but you made it explicitly clear there are no plans in government, to do this in the first month. because. relative. because relatively poorer household and wealthier households are paying less. but

the party has made it clear it's got no plans to do. but it's interesting though because the piece that i read in the telegraph today was saying that if they did, their plans would be about £100 extra month . so be about £100 extra a month. so £1,200 and labour are well known for just raising taxes. i know forjust raising taxes. i know the conservatives have not done a good job, but amol does this. what are your thoughts on that? >> well look, thanks for having me on your on your show. and look, i think it's very simple matter , labour simply cannot be matter, labour simply cannot be trusted with local taxpayers councils, tax money for one very simple reason, look at the europe's biggest, council birmingham . birmingham. >> £2.9 billion in debt and it's bust. britain labour run council, £1.3 billion in debt, mismanaged and bust. slough bust again. nottingham city bust again. >> and let's not forget the lib dems vote £2.6 billion in debt and bust and of course, the

biggest glorified labour local councillor running as mayor. >> sadiq khan he's bust tfl , >> sadiq khan he's bust tfl, many a times. so i think the people's council tax bills, speak for themselves and let's not forget that very famous, image , doing the rounds in the image, doing the rounds in the last local election, you know, same street, same row of houses on the wandsworth side of the conservative run council. >> the council tax was, what, £800 and the same street, same house on the other side . lambeth house on the other side. lambeth labour run council, £1,500. >> well, you see, that's the problem, isn't it? and i think people do have a lasting memory of the labour party spending lots money on, on councils, lots of money on, on councils, i'm just concerned because i know it looks like the labour party will win the election. i can't see the conservatives after the mess they're making of it. don't actually they it. i don't actually think they deserve it's not it's deserve to win. it's not it's not science. they've done not rocket science. they've done such but bill, such a bad job. but bill, i'm just concerned that are just concerned that labour are very have been very bad and have been notoriously bad at spending our money level . and as

money at council level. and as eamonn pointed out, a lot of these councils are labour these bust councils are labour councils . councils. >> as well. it's simply not true that labour is bad at, managing council finances . offices of all council finances. offices of all political persuasions that are in financial jeopardy. political persuasions that are in financial jeopardy . terms cut in financial jeopardy. terms cut in financial jeopardy. terms cut in local government funding that this conservative government has implemented . association which implemented. association which it has a conservative majority. explicit says that that councils of all political persuasion are in their biggest financial crisis for decades. because of that, massive cuts in local government funding. that's why we have pressure on council budgets , not because of the budgets, not because of the particular policies of any particular policies of any particular party. it's because of the massive austerity that the tories have driven onto our local councils , and we can see

local councils, and we can see that everywhere, with cuts in really important services like social care, in the potholes in our roads, driven by the conservative government. >> but wasn't austerity practically the part of course, by whilst the labour party were in government and then it was handed to the tory party. amal amman, no. handed to the tory party. amal am sorry,1o. handed to the tory party. amal am sorry, sorry, sorry. that's >> sorry, sorry, sorry. that's really not true. sorry. when we entered crisis in entered the banking crisis in 2008, labour had the lowest debt to gdp ratio of any country in the g7. the only reason we had a financial crisis was because of the banking crisis . and, you the banking crisis. and, you know, at that stage, the tory opposition supported labour spending plans. so it's a rewriting of history. but to say that , no, but rewriting of history. but to say that, no, but you can't say that when it goes bad, it's not our fault. >> and when it goes good, it is our fault, you know. exactly. so sorry . sorry. >> i'm a couple of things then. >> and i think phil was in the last, new labour government, and i it's pretty obvious i think it's pretty obvious where new labour left that very

famous , you know, letter in the famous, you know, letter in the treasury box at the, at the treasury box at the, at the treasury saying, sorry, there's no more money left. i mean, that's the basic fact. and look, yes, there pressures on yes, there are pressures on local councils, but the same pressures exist for all councils across the country. i mean, look, the next council that are looking to go bust are manchester, liverpool, sheffield, leeds. those are all labour run councils and they're badly run councils. on the other hand , i argue that you've hand, i would argue that you've got run local got some really well run local councils. at, for example, councils. look at, for example, the borough bexley, councils. look at, for example, the know borough bexley, councils. look at, for example, the know a borough bexley, councils. look at, for example, the know a reallyjh bexley, councils. look at, for example, the know a really well bexley, you know a really well conservative run council, which is spending £1 million a day on aduu is spending £1 million a day on adult care, on social adult social care, on social care, on cleaning streets, on local education, all the rest of it. it's facing the same pressures. it'sjust it. it's facing the same pressures. it's just competency versus socialism. treating others hard earned money, as you know, to be splurged and without any accountability. >> well, listen. >> well, listen. >> and then how come briefly 10s run local government association says councils are in financial crisis because of central

government cuts. and they say that that's councils of all political persuasions. this is what the tory run local government association is saying. >> well, the figures speak for themselves and the figures speak for themselves. you know, michael gove has given a 7.5% uprise in local government funding this year. but the facts speak for themselves. you can't have labour council thousands of pounds to diversity coordinators, while you know £117 million, or sorry, £17 million. birmingham council spent on paying private taxi firm taking children £200 a day for three miles to home and school. that's what you know we are facing with labour on council. >> final quick word to you. >> final quick word to you. >> the tories would they . >> the tories would they. >> the tories would they. >> well listen you went you went a bit quiet there. it sounded like a very a great point but sadly your mic sort of cut at that point. thank you so much. alan vogel former alan vogel and also former labour random . rommel, labour mp phil random. rommel, thank much. this is gb

labour mp phil random. rommel, thank what much. this is gb labour mp phil random. rommel, thank what do uch. this is gb labour mp phil random. rommel, thank what do you this is gb labour mp phil random. rommel, thank what do you think?! gb labour mp phil random. rommel, thank what do you think? i'm news. what do you think? i'm nana akua coming up. we'll continue debate. continue with this debate. i'm asking, trust labour with asking, can we trust labour with our you'll hear the our councils? you'll hear the thoughts author thoughts of my panel author and broadcaster hamilton, broadcaster christine hamilton, also motoring also broadcasting and motoring journalist . they put that in journalist gus. they put that in danny kelly. but first let's get your latest with aaron your latest news with aaron armstrong . armstrong. >> it's 532. i'm aaron armstrong in the gb newsroom . thousands of in the gb newsroom. thousands of russians have been protesting against vladimir putin on the final day of voting in a presidential election. he is certain to win. at least 74 arrests have been made in russia as demonstrators staged a symbolic noone against putin protest, forming long queues at polling stations across the country. in an apparent show of dissent . now they were advised dissent. now they were advised not to carry banners or shout slogans for fear of detention. the demonstrations have been supported by yulia navalny, the widow of the russian opposition leader navalny. she was leader alexei navalny. she was outside russian embassy in

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minutes to go with me. nana akua . we are live on tv, online and on digital radio. and it is time now for the great british debate this and i'm asking, can this hour. and i'm asking, can we trust labour with our councils? millions of britons would see their council tax hiked up under plans previously advocated labour's advocated by labour's rachel reeves, the sunday reeves, according to the sunday telegraph, a revision of the banding could cost 4 million households £1,200 a year, which is well £100 a month on top. a labour spokesperson has since said that there are no plans for a revaluation in the first turm of a government. they haven't said at all. but in the first time of government run by sir keir starmer, but would not rule it out, of course they haven't , it out, of course they haven't, would not rule it out completely. so for the great british debate, this i'm asking can we trust labour with our councils? loads them councils? seen loads of them seem be bust. let's see seem to be going bust. let's see what make of that. what my panel make of that. joining and joining me, author and broadcaster hamilton joining me, author and broadcastbroadcaster hamilton joining me, author and broadcastbroadcaster and|ilton and also broadcaster and motoring journalist danny kelly. did you ask them for that? oh, you asked them.

>> no, i wear two. i wear two hats with this fabulous outfit . hats with this fabulous outfit. and today i'm a commentator and a broadcaster, motoring journalist . when you want to journalist. when you want to talk to me about cars, so you just okay, well , that's two hats just okay, well, that's two hats and two separate hats. today's hat is the broadcaster and journalist. >> he sells super duper cars. >> he sells super duper cars. >> that's two hats in one, two separate. >> and he sells super duper cars. yes, that's three altogether. >> getting more hats. >> now you're getting more hats. >> now you're getting more hats. >> i know it's >> all right, i know it's great to so many hats. to have so many hats. >> good have. >> it's good to have. >> it's good to have. >> keep your warm. fingers >> keep your head warm. fingers in for a bald man. >> kelly. >> kelly. >> danny. kelly, what do you think know, i had my think about. you know, i had my council tax. >> the irony of this. only yesterday my council yesterday i had my council tax demands the next 12 months. demands for the next 12 months. and, you know, what do we get for our council tax? we get the police, we get fire service, police, we get the fire service, we bins emptied. if you we get our bins emptied. if you have children, if you're lucky, you'll education, then you'll get education, then you'll get education, then you'll get education, then you'll get the potholes filled if you're lucky. yeah if you're lucky. and the state of some of these roads scratch my these roads i often scratch my bald head and wonder, where the hell you going go? hell are you going to go? >> no. >> em-

5 what was coming. >> i wondered what was coming. >> i wondered what was coming. >> scratch my big bald >> i often scratch my big bald head and wonder whether i'm getting good value for for money my however much it is a month, and i'm not sure i do . so if and i'm not sure i do. so if they want another 1200 nicker off me, £100, that's a lot of dough. that's just a lot. that's a lot of dough. and what really annoys me are people who play the who don't the system, who get who don't have to pay council tax, and i and every other hard working individual plays everything individual who plays everything by the book, who pays the correct corporation tax, the vat amount. if you're self—employed and i know that people who are just of swinging the system just sort of swinging the system and they're working, i know and they're not working, i know they and they get free they can work and they get free council tax, they get help towards and it makes towards their rent, and it makes me sick. and if and listen, is this to get worse under this going to get worse under a labour government? because we know that labour prioritise people you know who who people who you know who who can't work, it's whether they can't work, it's whether they can or can't work, it's can or can't work, whether it's a legitimate concern. >> christine hamilton, labour, they, at people in big they, they look at people in big houses and they think they've got money. got lots and lots of money. let's get them. council let's get it from them. council tax pay for local

tax is supposed to pay for local services. that's what it's for. it's not just an excuse to grab money from people that they think have got it. that's what it's for. danny has listed them. i we live, we don't have i mean, we live, we don't have we don't have, we don't have any street lighting . we obviously street lighting. we obviously don't any children being don't have any children being educated, potholes are educated, etc. our potholes are absolutely don't. we get absolutely we don't. we get very, for our very, very little for our council . we're very, very little for our council .we're in the top council tax. we're in the top band. huge whack and band. so we pay huge whack and it's up as much as they it's gone up as much as they could put it up here. fine. but it was tried once before this to try rejig the system , wasn't try and rejig the system, wasn't it. it was called the poll tax. on it. it was called the poll tax. oh that it. it was called the poll tax. on that fell oh yes. and that fell absolutely. the tory government fell over fell flat on their face over trying to bring some sort of different it is to pay for local services and therefore yes, some sliding scales. so people with in the bigger houses pay more. but what about the business where you've got one person in a bigger house, a widow on her own, etc. very, very own, etc. it's very, very difficult they will difficult and i think they will tinker with the basic principle at their peril. >> well, my council , my council >> well, my council, my council are trying to they're going to charge now. subscription for

charge you now. subscription for your green bin. i'm like, you come every day, pay but come every day, i pay it. but and now you want a subscription for the green bin. what hell and now you want a subscription for he green bin. what hell and now you want a subscription for i paying| bin. what hell and now you want a subscription for i paying for?. what hell am i paying for? >> what you need, people >> but what you need, people need about this when need to think about this when they're local they're voting for their local councils. we in london, our flat was and it was the was in wandsworth and it was the lowest council tax in the whole of london, and it was completely brilliant. get and brilliant. labour get in and suddenly whooshing up. suddenly it goes whooshing up. i pay suddenly it goes whooshing up. i pay the green bin. people need to know that. >> yeah i think it's about it's gone think it's about 60 gone up. i think it's about 60 nicker a year now or 60 nicker for four because for say four months because that's use most. that's when you use it the most. but pay but our neighbours who don't pay it, won't it, obviously they won't have the bins and the green wheelie bins empty and that only introduced 2 or that was only introduced 2 or 3 years and a labour years ago. and it's a labour council. years ago. and it's a labour cou people see. first of >> people don't see. first of all, people vote in all, not enough people vote in local . please local council elections. please get don't. they just get out. they don't. they just think matter. think it doesn't matter. it does matter. m atter. >> f- e there's a calling >> well, maybe there's a calling for and danny to be local councillors. >> oh, no. i have never, ever stood for elective office and i'm never going to. >> do you mean knocking on your door donor? >> that parish council, >> that was the parish council, jackie. authority, jackie. there's no authority, jackie. there's no authority, jackie that's right, jackie weaver. oh, that's right, a yeah. a bit like that. yeah, yeah.

authority. weaver i don't authority. jackie weaver i don't want to sit on committees and all that sort of thing. >> i just want to get on quietly with this. >> i just want to get on quietly witiso this. >> i just want to get on quietly witiso there this. >> i just want to get on quietly witiso there ishis. >> i just want to get on quietly witiso there is nothing without >> so there is nothing without you your let's you and your views. let's welcome great welcome some of our great british their british voices. their opportunity to the show opportunity to be on the show and us they think and tell us what they think about we're about the topics we're discussing. four of discussing. i've got four of you. go. let's you. right. let's go. let's start from start with gareth from snowdonia. can we trust labour with tax ? with our council tax? >> i don't trust anybody with my money any more , to be honest money any more, to be honest with you. really disappointed. >> we've got potholes, you know, we've got our rubbish going once a month on our big bins, once every three weeks. sorry. we're recycling everything here, and. yeah, value for money is not something that we're going to be having. i think, you know , we've having. i think, you know, we've been under the labour government in wales for many, many years and i don't see any difference, from anywhere across the country, doesn't matter what, you know, parties running it. i think it's important that we start to get value for money in

everything we do. yeah you know, from the green bins, if you're paying from the green bins, if you're paying 60 nicker for a few months. well, that that's not fair. should privatise fair. maybe we should privatise this and get a business to come up and pick it for £30. >> it'll be even worse, gareth. you know, it'll just get more and expensive. they'll and more expensive. they'll literally. and more expensive. they'll litereeyes out. david balm in watford. >> do i trust them? >> do i trust them? >> not as far as i could proverbially , we, the council proverbially, we, the council want more money because they're bankrupt. >> and but then if you look at what they're spending their money on, not on potholes, not on education, they're closing libraries down. they're closing down amenities. so they can employ woke agendas. so because that's what they think the pubuc that's what they think the public want, or they've told the pubuc public want, or they've told the public want, or they've told the public want, what we actually want are council to actually look after us, the residents to take our bins. >> i, i believe that there's actually the council were around here have actually decided actually we're going to put it back a year there won't be a green bin levy because the take

up apparently so bad up apparently have been so bad they realise wasn't worth it. they realise it wasn't worth it. >> happens is there'll >> so what happens is there'll be flytippers. >> of course will. >> of course they will. >> of course they will. >> so your act in order. >> so get your act in order. labour will be the worst for anything comes to local anything when it comes to local lee in bristol. lee harris in bristol. >> in my view. now labour can't be trusted to run a bath , let be trusted to run a bath, let alone a council. >> and considering the colossal wreckage labour leave behind them whenever they're in charge, i dread to think what they will do to this country. >> sadly, we're about to >> and sadly, we're about to find . find out. >> you the good thing is, >> you know, the good thing is, is closer we an is the closer we get to an election, the more is election, the more light is going shed on labour's going to be shed on labour's unfunded commitments. going to be shed on labour's unfunded what commitments. going to be shed on labour's unfunded what corseeingents. and this is what we're seeing with proposal with this controversial proposal from . you know, from rachel reeves. you know, labour say they're not going to raise taxes. so they raise taxes. so instead they kind disguise as a council kind of disguise it as a council tax revaluation , which could, as tax revaluation, which could, as you've already said, cost millions people an extra millions of people an extra £1,200 a year. and this is dunng £1,200 a year. and this is during a cost of living crisis and the highest tax burden in over years. over 50 years. >> only labour to >> well, they'll only labour to rule it out nana. but they've started the process in labour run wales, so expect things to

happen here. >> started process >> they started the process years before they're in years before they're even in power. that it's a power. so we know that it's a process. been thinking process. they've been thinking about. alan mcneilly alan mcneilly grimsby, alan. mcneilly in grimsby, alan. >> good afternoon nana. >> good afternoon nana. >> good afternoon nana. >> good afternoon, first of all, happy saint patrick's day to you all. >> hope you're all having a great day. >> as for the councils, we've got a conservative led council up here. it's not too bad . it's up here. it's not too bad. it's not perfect, but they do try. >> i'd be horrified if labour got in because they will just take money left, right and centre and probably provide a very poor service . well, well we very poor service. well, well we shall see if they do win the election we will find out. thank you so much to gareth wyn jones from snowdonia, david barham in watford, from watford, leigh harris from bristol , alan mcneely watford, leigh harris from bristol, alan mcneely in grimsby. pleasure grimsby. always a pleasure my great voices he's there great british voices he's there with the guinness and you're with the guinness and you're with nana akua this is with me. i'm nana akua this is dup news on tv, online and on digital coming up, my mini digital radio coming up, my mini debate. is it time for kate to come clean

? right. so just coming up to 51 minutes after 5:00. if you've just tuned in. be quiet. christine, i'm so sorry. i'm nana akua. this is gb news. those are, of course, christine hamilton and danny kelly joining me coming up in the mini debate. is it time for kate to come clean? a lot of people are saying this is what's been saying that, this is what's been happening. there have been rumours circulating as as something's gone wrong with the picture. the picture. photo gate blew up the number of questions about the princess and the princess of wales health and the issues, friends issues, and her friends have come she come forward saying that she is likely them in the likely to address them in the future on her own terms. so is it time for the princess catherine of wales come clean it time for the princess catto rine of wales come clean it time for the princess catto what's wales come clean it time for the princess catto what's going come clean it time for the princess catto what's going on come clean it time for the princess catto what's going on with; clean it time for the princess catto what's going on with the�*an as to what's going on with the photo? all right, danny, i'll go with then. soon as you do. with you then. soon as you do. funny laugh. >> some people that >> some people believe that she's had her face photoshopped onto somebody body. now onto somebody else's body. now i would like to. i'm not part of this conspiracy theory, but some people reckon that it's a bloke's throat because he or she has got danny. i just said i'm

not it, but because not part of it, but because she's got an adam's apple. and as women don't have as we know, women don't have adam's . adam's apples. >> it's just adam's apples. >> it'sjust shadow of something. >> it's definitely a big >> no, it's definitely a big lump. anyway look, part lump. anyway look, i'm not part of theory. lump. anyway look, i'm not part of tjust y. lump. anyway look, i'm not part of tjust said you weren't. >> you just said you weren't. but i'm with a big but then you. i'm not with a big lump, but. >> so. lump, but. >> so, look , what have you got >> so, look, what have you got your that for? your hands like that for? >> on. christina charleton, >> go on. christina charleton, hands on the desk. >> she was obviously. and she's admitted it. thing admitted it. the thing was photoshopped. to photoshopped. she's entitled to her . of course she is. her privacy. of course she is. but the palace or have allowed this thing to get a life of its own. and the people who are out, the journalists, they are never going to leave it alone until they know what is wrong with her. there are sort of two big theories going around going theories going around not going to worry . to mention them. don't worry. neither which very neither of which is very palatable of which palatable and neither of which i can understand. she would want the public know about. now it can understand. she would want the fbelic know about. now it can understand. she would want the fbe something about. now it can understand. she would want the fbe something else |t. now it can understand. she would want the fbe something else quiten it may be something else quite different, what different, if it's what you might normal, might call something normal, like prostate. the king told us it it's it was prostate. if it's something routine as that, something as routine as that, why hasn't she told us? because this speculation and then this photograph has just ramped the

whole but people will whole thing up. but people will be so disappointed when they whole thing up. but people will be soutsappointed when they whole thing up. but people will be sout there'sted when they whole thing up. but people will be sout there's literally| they find out there's literally nothing it. nothing to it. >> i think it's so >> no, i know, i think it's so absurd. she's just, know, absurd. she's just, you know, twisted something. absurd. she's just, you know, twisprobably something. absurd. she's just, you know, twisprobably somethingiething. absurd. she's just, you know, twisprobably something like 1g. absurd. she's just, you know, twis|or,)ably something like 1g. absurd. she's just, you know, twis|or, youy something like 1g. absurd. she's just, you know, twis|or, you know, thing like 1g. absurd. she's just, you know, twis|or, you know, somethingg. that or, you know, something boring. i thought she may have had crohn's she hasn't got had crohn's or she hasn't got that tv. that on the tv. >> she got an adam's >> she hasn't got an adam's apple look at it . it's apple there. look at it. it's a woman's there. woman's throat there. >> in the picture, >> so the one in the picture, it's shadow. it's a shadow. >> there's theory that >> well, there's a theory that her has been her whole body has been photoshopped. a bit photoshopped. look a bit elongated, it? elongated, though, isn't it? >> i look at it >> listen, the more i look at it , i thought, it's silly, but i'm falling the trap now as falling into it. the trap now as well . yeah, it's time well. yeah, but now it's time for sunday. well, my for supplements sunday. well, my panel some of the panel and i discuss some of the stories have caught their panel and i discuss some of the storinanny, have caught their panel and i discuss some of the storinanny, i'ma caught their panel and i discuss some of the storinanny, i'm going ht their panel and i discuss some of the storinanny, i'm going ht start eye. danny, i'm going to start with you. eye. danny, i'm going to start witioh,u. eye. danny, i'm going to start witioh, this is a great so >> oh, this is a great story. so wendy's burger chain in wendy's is a burger chain in america. a few america. they've got a few outlets and the outlets in the uk. and the manager this fake manager created this fake employee. a employee. so she went through a hiring hired hiring process and she hired someone exist. and someone who doesn't exist. and she the money she pocketed the money and she went, such an elaborate went, it was such an elaborate ruse. she actually had him her clocking in and out all the shifts for 150 odd shifts. she pocketed $20,000 us dollars, and she had to , clock in, clock out.

she had to, clock in, clock out. over 158 days or something like that. what an incredibly elaborate scam. >> how was she discovered ? >> how was she discovered? >> how was she discovered? >> i don't know, she's in prison now. >> well, this is lloyds , who are >> well, this is lloyds, who are an absolute woke laughing stock because they have advised their staff to avoid the staff to avoid using the word widow might widow because it might trigger unhelpful memories for people forgetting the fact that they own the very high profile insurance company, scottish widows . oh, and they also say widows. oh, and they also say they mustn't use guinea pig because that's offensive to vegans. they mustn't use headless chicken. i mean, it's absurd . absurd. >> it's absurd. well, listen, on today's been asking , today's show, i've been asking, is it time for the tories to focus policy over personality focus on policy over personality ? and according to our twitter poll, 96% you say yes . only poll, 96% of you say yes. only 4% of you say no. i've got to say thank you so much to my panel author and broadcaster christine hamilton. christine thank you very much. >> pleasure as always, and also broadcaster journalist danny kelly. >> thank you. and a thank >> thank you. and a huge thank you you for joining >> thank you. and a huge thank you you forjoining me at you to you for joining me at home with your company as well.

i forward seeing you i look forward to seeing you next time, same next week. same time, same place. saturday. i will place. 3:00 on saturday. i will leave you with the weather. have a week . a fabulous week. >> looks like things are heating up . boxt boilers sponsors of up. boxt boilers sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello there! welcome to your latest gb news weather forecast from the met office. well, for the week ahead it's remaining changeable across the board for most the week . it will be most of the week. it will be fairly mild, but towards the end of into the weekend it of the week into the weekend it does look like it will turn briefly colder. so for the rest of sunday still got low pressure. generally in charge across the country, any across the country, but any showers generally fizzling out as the evening goes on, so some fairly clear skies developing across england and wales. but it doesn't last long in the west. another band of cloud and rain beginning to work its way into. by the end of the night, clear skies out towards the east and

maybe across ireland. maybe across northern ireland. and of us it is going to and for all of us it is going to be a mild one, temperatures not falling to falling much lower than 5 to 7 degrees. into monday morning, degrees. so into monday morning, a bright start in the east, but the cloud and rain across central parts will move its way eastwards as day goes on eastwards as the day goes on behind it. some drier and brighter weather for a time . brighter weather for a time. this transfers towards the east into the afternoon and that allows another band of cloud and rain to work its way in. from the west. so quite a wet end to the west. so quite a wet end to the for northern ireland, the day for northern ireland, but mild day. but for many another mild day. temperatures up to 17 degrees in the southeast. tuesday for a lot of us, it's going to be a rather cloudy picture. outbreaks of rain moving their way south eastwards. it does brighten up later on in the day across northern ireland and scotland, but middle of the but on the whole middle of the week remaining unsettled. but for of us, temperatures for all of us, temperatures staying on the mild the staying on the mild side for the time year , that warm feeling time of year, that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers sponsors of weather on . gb news.

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